The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump's Fascinating Rogan Appearance, Michelle Obama's Shame Tactics, and Why Actor Zachary Levi Endorsed Trump

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00:00:31.200 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.600 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.800 It is the final week before the election and we are drinking from the news fire hose again.

00:00:51.760 There was Vice President Kamala Harris campaigning with Beyonce and Michelle Obama

00:00:56.760 and you will not believe, well, maybe you will,

00:00:59.380 what the former first lady said to try to convince men to vote for her preferred candidate.

00:01:05.280 And former President Donald Trump on with the top podcaster in the country, Joe Rogan.

00:01:09.540 I think he's got 30 million views of that interview already on YouTube.

00:01:18.380 That's amazing.

00:01:19.720 We took a look at the Call Her Daddy podcast numbers with Kamala Harris.

00:01:24.320 She's got about 600,000 to the 30 million that Trump just got on Rogan.

00:01:31.820 Think about it.

00:01:32.860 Plus a massive New York City rally at Madison Square Garden last night.

00:01:37.360 Look, I want to tell you something about the garden before we bring on our guests.

00:01:42.500 I watched all of Trump's remarks start to finish and he did a great job.

00:01:47.740 He made great points.

00:01:48.820 He started with exactly the right question.

00:01:50.920 Are you better off now than you were four years ago?

00:01:52.840 And he went on from there, just nailed it.

00:01:55.040 All of his points on message, entertaining, great.

00:02:00.280 Trump was not well served by those around him last night.

00:02:03.380 It wasn't a Nazi rally.

00:02:05.700 All that's nonsense.

00:02:06.960 But I'm telling you, even for me, and I voted for Donald Trump last week, it was too bro-tastic.

00:02:14.540 Okay?

00:02:15.180 It was.

00:02:15.980 You're trying to win an election in which you're hemorrhaging female voters.

00:02:20.100 Maybe when you present in front of hundreds, thousands at least, at Madison Square Garden, you clean up the bro-talk just a little so you don't alienate women in the middle of America who are already on the fence about Republicans.

00:02:37.040 Do they have no women advising their campaign?

00:02:40.720 Is there no actual woman sitting behind the scenes, coming up with a guest lineup and saying, let's just have a word with the guys who are going to be speaking about this isn't the bar?

00:02:51.920 This isn't their living room?

00:02:54.600 This is a campaign.

00:02:56.440 This is politics.

00:02:57.960 We're trying to get him elected.

00:02:59.980 We don't need to rally the base or guys anymore.

00:03:04.660 And it's not helpful, even if we do want to rally the base or guys, to go full off-color insults to different racial groups and so on.

00:03:15.340 I get it.

00:03:16.040 Trust me.

00:03:16.720 Nothing that was said offended me.

00:03:18.280 I'm almost unoffendable.

00:03:20.040 But I understand how this plays, especially with women.

00:03:23.940 And it was an effed-up choice.

00:03:26.140 They took what was an amazing celebration of Trump, exciting and well-attended and hugely enthusiastic, and gave themselves a big black eye.

00:03:38.140 This isn't about the insane media, which did, of course, what the insane media is going to do.

00:03:43.860 This is about them giving the insane media all these headlines that undermined the main man, Donald Trump, who did exactly what he should have last night.

00:03:52.860 You effed up.

00:03:54.940 Hopefully, you'll do better in the closing week of the campaign.

00:03:58.000 That's my take on it.

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00:05:08.900 Guys, welcome back.

00:05:11.900 That was my take.

00:05:12.960 What was yours?

00:05:13.820 Who wants to take it first?

00:05:15.640 I'll start first, because that's pretty much what my take was, Megan.

00:05:19.760 I mean, here you have a four-hour rally that is reduced to basically a one-liner from this insult comic.

00:05:29.000 And it overshadows the entire thing.

00:05:32.080 And you're right.

00:05:32.660 I mean, it is – the media has taken it and blown it up into this huge deal.

00:05:40.880 And AOC was on Morning Joe talking and saying this was a hate rally.

00:05:43.880 And it just sort of plays right into their narrative.

00:05:47.260 And that's what the media – I mean, everybody knows by now that's what the media does.

00:05:52.840 But the question is, you know, who thought this was a good idea to let this guy come on stage and tell, you know, multiple sort of – an insult comic is a bad idea nine days before an election.

00:06:03.600 It's a bad idea at any political rally, quite frankly.

00:06:08.000 And obviously, you have to assume they didn't see those remarks ahead of time or, you know, someone should have said –

00:06:14.740 Those are the reports that they did not vet any of the speakers.

00:06:17.940 Exactly.

00:06:18.700 And maybe they should have.

00:06:20.560 I know.

00:06:21.520 But whatever.

00:06:22.880 It was a – they shot themselves in the foot.

00:06:26.940 An unforced error.

00:06:27.540 And the question is, well – yeah, absolutely.

00:06:29.160 Total unforced error and political malpractice.

00:06:31.140 And it's like, will it hurt them?

00:06:33.400 You know, maybe it won't.

00:06:35.320 But maybe it will on the margins.

00:06:37.040 And when you're talking about, you know, voters in swing states where this could come down to 5,000 or 10,000 votes or 20,000 votes in a place like Pennsylvania or Michigan, yeah, not a smart thing to do.

00:06:47.540 Here's what bothered me about it.

00:06:49.080 It's – and I have nothing against this comedian.

00:06:51.420 Comedy is meant to be irreverent.

00:06:54.160 It's meant to kind of cause you to recoil at times.

00:06:57.100 And I get all that.

00:06:58.500 It's just time, place, and manner.

00:07:01.380 This was a political event.

00:07:03.060 It was not the comedy cellar where you should let her rip.

00:07:07.160 And it's fun to offend people.

00:07:09.120 I totally get that.

00:07:10.420 Trust me.

00:07:10.820 I totally get that.

00:07:11.960 But at this rally, it wasn't just this joke which will play you.

00:07:15.000 And it wasn't just this guy.

00:07:16.080 I've got to tell you.

00:07:17.540 It was this comedian who made this off-color joke.

00:07:19.740 But he made multiple jokes.

00:07:21.340 He referred to something about blacks and watermelons.

00:07:23.720 He referred to Hispanic people only – I don't even want to phrase it.

00:07:28.360 But, you know, in bed, how they'll only reach climax in a certain way.

00:07:33.200 I don't even know how to clean that one up for this audience.

00:07:35.280 Then he made this comment about Puerto Rico being a trash heap, which honestly, like, that one I can give him some slack on because there's been tons of stories in the news about Puerto Rico being a big trash heap, right?

00:07:48.600 Like, they can't process the trash.

00:07:50.040 Michael Schellenberger is tweeting about it today.

00:07:51.460 So, you know, whatever.

00:07:53.840 If you actually know the news, it was right on point.

00:07:56.740 But it's being taken out of that context and just used as an insult against any Puerto Ricans and Hispanics.

00:08:04.660 But the thing that I wanted to say is that it was a very heavily bro-tastic lineup, as I said.

00:08:11.640 A lot of, like, you know, guys who are team MAGA who are like, yeah, you know, Kamala sucks.

00:08:19.060 And I say that.

00:08:20.500 I insult Kamala's intelligence not to be mean, but it's because that's how I really feel about her.

00:08:26.560 But it was person after person after person.

00:08:29.240 And it was guy after guy after guy.

00:08:30.780 There were very few women.

00:08:31.880 There were a couple and I was left feeling like that's their club.

00:08:36.320 They're in their club.

00:08:37.880 That's the club that wants me and others to put them in the White House.

00:08:41.260 And I is there room for women in their club?

00:08:44.960 Is there room for moderate voters in their club?

00:08:48.040 Like what you're telegraphing with this lineup and this messaging is a little exclusionary.

00:08:54.980 That's how it felt.

00:08:56.080 I know others disagree with me.

00:08:57.440 I saw women all over the audience loving it.

00:08:59.940 They waited for hours to get in.

00:09:02.240 To me, it didn't seem as much like a Trump problem as a problem of whoever organized this event, because I haven't felt that way watching the other Trump events.

00:09:12.720 Andrew, Carl.

00:09:13.520 Well, Megan, this has been a problem with this campaign all along.

00:09:19.800 Donald Trump plays to the hall.

00:09:22.220 You know, we don't want him to be.

00:09:23.960 He hired an insult comic.

00:09:25.440 He's his own insult comic.

00:09:26.620 But this idea that the people there loved it.

00:09:30.800 You know, Megan, I saw some of that, too.

00:09:33.020 Tom and I were talking about this morning.

00:09:35.280 You know, they interviewed Puerto Rican people who were Puerto Ricans who were at the event.

00:09:39.680 They said, I'm not offended.

00:09:40.500 But how about Puerto Ricans who were not at the event?

00:09:44.820 That's a much larger group.

00:09:47.260 This is political malpractice on a scale.

00:09:51.080 It's hard to exaggerate.

00:09:52.100 You know, it reminded me of, Megan, this is a little off color, but Haley Barber.

00:09:56.300 You remember him, Governor of Mississippi, and before that, RNC chief.

00:09:59.960 Very funny guy.

00:10:01.140 I once interviewed him about a candidate.

00:10:02.960 I think it was Clayton Christensen in Texas.

00:10:04.740 And he said, you know, Carl, people understand a politician speaks all the time.

00:10:10.020 You know, they're going to you're going to step on your dick once in a while.

00:10:13.480 So what they don't expect you to do is take it out of your pocket and jump up and down on it.

00:10:19.500 And that's what was going on in Madison Square Garden, in my view.

00:10:24.340 Andrew?

00:10:25.480 Well, you know, I wish that they were channeling what J.D. Vance has been doing for the last

00:10:30.600 couple of weeks.

00:10:31.320 If I'm trying to advise the Republicans, I think if you contract.

00:10:35.560 J.D. Vance's media appearances and the way he approaches these things.

00:10:39.540 If they had a little bit more of that last night, I think they would have been better off.

00:10:43.580 But I agree.

00:10:44.580 And the other problem, I think, is Tony Hinchcliffe.

00:10:46.940 That's the comic.

00:10:48.260 I had never heard of him before.

00:10:50.620 Comedian.

00:10:51.180 Yeah.

00:10:51.340 And, you know, this is his national debut and there's no context for it.

00:10:58.040 So, you know, Don Rickles is just because people have been talking about Don Rickles,

00:11:03.500 who sort of did comedy for Reagan.

00:11:07.280 He was a national figure.

00:11:08.380 People knew him.

00:11:09.300 He sort of had his own brand.

00:11:10.540 This is now Trump's brand.

00:11:13.580 I mean, Trump owns this, unfortunately.

00:11:15.360 Now, you know, they have come out and said this joke does not reflect the views of President

00:11:19.660 Trump or the campaign.

00:11:20.840 They're trying to distance themselves from it.

00:11:22.900 But, yeah, I do believe it's political malpractice that the day after that rally, this is what

00:11:28.300 you have to do as a campaign.

00:11:29.760 Not good.

00:11:30.260 That's right.

00:11:31.240 A week before the vote when Trump has been on a great roll.

00:11:35.100 And, like, who in politics thinks it's a good idea to have the warm-up comic who's on

00:11:41.060 four hours before you or something drive your news cycle, right?

00:11:45.700 Like, it's just not worth it.

00:11:47.460 That's not the forum in which you should take any risks like that.

00:11:52.040 And this guy is funny and has a lot of material he could have gone to without touching on those

00:11:57.780 particular items that I mentioned.

00:11:59.980 The joke about Puerto Rico, I'll play to you because that's getting a lot of play.

00:12:03.400 Again, take it for what it's worth because there is a serious problem with garbage in

00:12:08.480 Puerto Rico that's been all over the news, including on these left-wing sites.

00:12:12.720 Michael Schellenberg has been tweeting about it all morning saying,

00:12:14.760 could you just hold on and have some perspective?

00:12:17.080 I think it's the combination of, you know, all the things he hit,

00:12:20.040 some of which I mentioned, that's leading, you know, to some of the hits on him.

00:12:24.320 Here he is, Tony Hinchcliffe.

00:12:27.060 A lot going on.

00:12:28.160 Like, I don't know if you guys know this, but there's literally a floating island of garbage

00:12:32.140 in the middle of the ocean right now.

00:12:34.440 Yeah.

00:12:34.920 I think it's called Puerto Rico.

00:12:38.340 Okay.

00:12:39.120 All right.

00:12:40.300 Okay.

00:12:41.100 We're getting there.

00:12:41.940 Again, normally I don't follow the national anthem, everybody.

00:12:47.440 Well, I mean, maybe he's right, right?

00:12:48.980 Was the guy set up for success?

00:12:50.680 Like, if this is his normal comedy routine, who chose him?

00:12:53.460 Who said, that's our guy for this?

00:12:55.340 And then here's just a little bit more of the flavor of remarks that are in the news

00:12:59.400 cycle today now, SOT7.

00:13:01.580 And these Latinos, they love making babies, too.

00:13:04.100 Just know that.

00:13:05.380 They do.

00:13:06.640 They do.

00:13:07.320 There's no pulling out.

00:13:11.180 They don't do that.

00:13:12.240 They come inside, just like they did to our country.

00:13:15.680 I don't know about you guys, but I think that Travis Kelsey might be the next OJ Simpson.

00:13:21.740 In fact, she is the devil, whoever screamed that out.

00:13:26.460 She is the Antichrist.

00:13:28.200 Her and her pimp handlers will destroy our country.

00:13:32.160 Some sick bastard, that Hillary Clinton, huh?

00:13:34.400 What a sick son of a bitch.

00:13:37.800 Now, some of those guys are friends of mine, and I really like them.

00:13:41.540 My only point, girl, is like, in this context, you want to try to keep it classy.

00:13:48.340 Because if you don't, you are giving the other side a beautiful big Christmas gift with a big red bow on it.

00:13:55.920 Yeah, maybe they gave him the election.

00:13:58.540 I don't know how much this is going to swing voters.

00:14:02.080 But, Megan, if you had a new, you and I are both married.

00:14:06.800 But if you were single, and you were dating a guy, and you were going to go to his house and meet his parents for the first time,

00:14:12.400 and he said, you know, Megan, my parents have listened to your show, and they kind of think you're a Nazi and maybe a fascist.

00:14:19.140 Wouldn't you be on your best behavior during that dinner?

00:14:21.900 Would you say all of the worst things you've ever thought of in your life?

00:14:25.640 No, you'd put your best face forward.

00:14:29.340 And that's what you expect a presidential campaign, any political campaign, to do.

00:14:33.980 And that's not what they did.

00:14:36.640 That's the thing, Tom.

00:14:37.520 It was a total fail as an opportunity.

00:14:40.380 And it was coming off of the Rogan interview, which was gangbusters.

00:14:43.760 I mean, I just thought, I know the left-wing media is like, oh, he sounded rambly.

00:14:47.540 He sounded crazy.

00:14:48.440 I listened to that whole thing, and I thought Trump did great.

00:14:53.940 He was really entertaining.

00:14:56.040 And Joe Rogan did great.

00:14:57.640 Like, the questions were really interesting.

00:14:59.320 We hadn't heard all this stuff discussed before.

00:15:01.300 And all I could think was like, this was totally brilliant.

00:15:03.540 And they got this out the Friday before the, you know, the final week.

00:15:08.260 And then they just got so excited.

00:15:10.000 They got drunk on their own wine and had the big party before they have the victory.

00:15:12.960 Yeah, there was definitely a sense of sort of triumphalism among the Trump campaign.

00:15:19.980 And I think that's been checked.

00:15:22.700 And the problem is, you played those clips.

00:15:25.020 I mean, those jokes weren't even funny.

00:15:28.100 I mean, I didn't think they were funny at all.

00:15:30.060 I think a lot of people just thought they weren't good jokes.

00:15:34.860 And obviously, the other speakers, you know, some of the rhetoric was just over the top.

00:15:38.680 And again, I mean, yes, there were some women there.

00:15:42.000 And Susie Wiles is one of the people running Trump's campaign.

00:15:44.840 So it's not like he doesn't have women around him that could have helped guide this event in a more inclusive manner.

00:15:53.420 But again, we'll see whether this, I mean, we could be making a, you know, a tempest out of a teapot here.

00:15:58.900 This might not be that big of a deal electorally.

00:16:01.760 But again, if he does end up losing this election by a few thousand votes in some of these swing states, people look back on this and be like, it might have been that moment.

00:16:11.180 God, I mean, I really, I genuinely hope not.

00:16:13.540 I really, I don't think it's that big a deal.

00:16:15.740 I just think it was an unnecessarily, an unnecessary self-inflicted wound.

00:16:20.440 It was just an unforced error.

00:16:22.100 And hopefully, you know, we'll just move on and this will get out of the psyche.

00:16:25.380 But I mean, I've listened to all these soundbites of these Midwestern women that we play on our show and elsewhere for, you know, weeks and months now.

00:16:32.580 And they're, they don't like this stuff.

00:16:35.200 You know, they are not like New Yorkers, you know, of which I still consider myself one, you know, lived there for 17 years and was raised in upstate.

00:16:43.660 They're not like us.

00:16:44.860 They're not quite as brash.

00:16:46.340 They're not quite as blue in their jokes and their commentary.

00:16:51.160 I will tell you, Megan, my wife is one of those women, right?

00:16:56.960 We live in the Chicago area.

00:16:58.820 And she, you know, said the other day when Trump had talked about Arnold Palmer, she was offended by it.

00:17:06.580 I mean, she was like, do we really have to have this?

00:17:09.560 Can't we do better than this?

00:17:11.900 And I haven't spoken to her about the rally last night, but I'm sure she would feel the same way.

00:17:16.740 And, and, you know, that's a small sample, but to your point, um, small sample size for

00:17:23.460 that poll, but nevertheless, I mean, I, I think there is some truth to that.

00:17:26.640 There are a lot of women out there who are, you know, on the fence and trying to decide.

00:17:31.760 And, and this obviously doesn't draw people in Trump's direction.

00:17:35.000 It pushes them in the other, in the other direction.

00:17:36.860 Yeah.

00:17:37.220 I don't, I just feel like if they're good on the base, I mean, I know that they're looking

00:17:40.520 at this, like what I know the New York times was reporting.

00:17:43.100 There's like this 5% of men who are open-minded to Kamala and to Trump, who he's trying to

00:17:49.360 target with podcasts like Theo Vaughn and Rogan.

00:17:52.320 And that makes sense to me.

00:17:53.480 But if those people are on the fence between, if they're even considering voting for Kamala,

00:17:57.680 this is not the way my friends, this is not the way this is, those are not the red eating

00:18:03.040 core MAGA base.

00:18:05.240 And, um, they may be a more velvet glove approach would be helpful.

00:18:09.540 Um, the re the reaction to the reality to the rally is something entirely different.

00:18:17.460 I don't think the reaction has anything to do with what actually happened at the rally.

00:18:22.420 That the reaction was their Nazis.

00:18:25.420 We told you before the rally that they were Nazis during the rally, as we watched, they

00:18:29.960 look like Nazis.

00:18:30.700 And now that the rally's over, we feel certain we've seen Nazis.

00:18:34.160 So I disassociate the hysterical media reaction from anything that I have said and from reality.

00:18:42.400 And it's a separate story.

00:18:43.700 And let's get to it.

00:18:45.420 Maybe the most absurd bit, but it was hard to choose this morning comes from Jonathan Capehart,

00:18:51.120 who both, um, is a journalist, a print journalist, and also an MSNBC host on the weekend.

00:18:57.500 Listen to him.

00:18:58.860 Sot nine.

00:18:59.240 Donald Trump's rally at Madison square garden comes days after his own former chief of staff

00:19:06.120 went on record to describe his former boss as a fascist, but that chamboree happening

00:19:12.340 right now.

00:19:13.420 You see it there on your screen in that place is particularly chilling because in 1939, more

00:19:20.220 than 20,000 supporters of a different fascist leader, Adolf Hitler packed the garden for a

00:19:26.340 so-called pro America rally.

00:19:28.360 When a Jewish protester rushed the stage, the Associated Press reported, quote, instantly

00:19:34.020 a dozen or more storm troopers set upon him, knocking him down and beating him as he held

00:19:39.480 his head in his arms against that backdrop of history.

00:19:42.980 Donald Trump, the man who has threatened to use the military against opponents he calls

00:19:47.660 enemies from within, who has threatened to use, use the troops to quell what he says are

00:19:53.820 lawless cities and to use those troops to carry out mass deportations of immigrants, is once

00:20:00.000 again turning Madison square garden into a staging ground for extremism.

00:20:06.500 OMG, Andrew, for the listening audience, that was all the video was papering the screen there

00:20:11.260 was of all these Nazis at the Madison square garden with doing the Heil Hitler, like as they

00:20:16.660 said, as they were showing split screen of Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump signs trying to lead

00:20:20.960 you to believe there's a, even as it may possibly it's the same event.

00:20:25.540 Yeah.

00:20:26.220 Yeah.

00:20:26.380 No, they, they, they did everything except for the slow dissolve, which is what I was expecting

00:20:30.480 where you go from the black and white footage, the color footage, and you feel like, uh, you're

00:20:34.960 sort of moving through time.

00:20:36.780 Yeah.

00:20:37.260 I, uh, I've been to Madison square garden.

00:20:40.340 I don't know how many times.

00:20:41.480 Um, I saw Springsteen there.

00:20:43.220 I saw the pole there.

00:20:45.200 Um, I love Madison square garden.

00:20:46.900 I grew up outside of, uh, New York city, uh, I gotta say, and I, I've studied history.

00:20:52.580 I, I was not all that familiar with that rally.

00:20:55.260 I guess I should be, but, um, for that to be the sort of the instant, uh, connection that

00:21:00.800 you draw when Trump goes there, um, is a stretch by any imagination.

00:21:05.960 Um, and I think that the problem for the Harris campaign in doing that is again, it's

00:21:12.380 getting back to that sort of Hillary Clinton, uh, problem of defining your, and half the

00:21:18.520 country as being enemies.

00:21:19.560 If you're, if you're saying that everyone who was at that rally or watched that rally,

00:21:23.740 um, is a, is a Nazi, it turns obviously people, people off.

00:21:28.700 I mean, they, they don't believe it.

00:21:29.880 It's not, it's not plausible.

00:21:31.620 Even for the people who don't, uh, support Donald Trump, they, they really don't believe

00:21:36.320 their friends and neighbors are Nazis.

00:21:37.740 They may disagree with them, but I think this is totally over overstated.

00:21:41.700 Um, so I think, you know, I think the media is wrong to do it.

00:21:45.480 Um, I, and I think that cherry picking the Trump rally, even those jokes that weren't

00:21:54.800 funny in those statements that were, were, uh, offensive, they don't rise to the level

00:22:00.200 of fascism in any stretch of the imagination.

00:22:01.980 I don't think there was a single comment there that I would say is, oh, that's fascistic.

00:22:06.600 Not one.

00:22:07.600 I agree.

00:22:08.000 And here's the other thing, you guys, as boneheaded as some of these comments were,

00:22:12.740 the Democrats, of course, live in a glass house.

00:22:17.620 So they had George Lopez at a walls, Joe, uh, rally last week.

00:22:22.380 I think it was last week or recently.

00:22:23.780 And he made his own off color joke about Mexicans being a bunch of thieves.

00:22:30.480 Watch.

00:22:32.160 Donald Trump said he was going to build a wall.

00:22:36.320 And George Lopez said, you better build it in one day because if you leave that material

00:22:41.580 out there overnight.

00:22:42.360 Okay, so that's hilarious, makes no news.

00:22:52.140 But, but you can't say Puerto Rico, given all of its trash.

00:22:54.980 It's funny, but I'm just saying like, do we have, do we have similar rules?

00:22:59.240 So here's another one.

00:22:59.880 You don't, okay.

00:23:00.220 You don't like that one, Carl.

00:23:01.120 Here's another one.

00:23:01.660 No, no.

00:23:02.000 I like it.

00:23:02.580 I like the joke, but I don't think it really, it's not the same thing.

00:23:06.480 Yeah.

00:23:06.980 Yeah.

00:23:07.140 And he's Mexican-American, so he can say it.

00:23:10.080 Okay.

00:23:10.860 Here's the other thing.

00:23:12.060 Last week, they had Eminem endorse Kamala Harris, which they celebrated and introduced

00:23:17.240 Barack Obama.

00:23:18.320 Yay.

00:23:18.800 Eminem.

00:23:19.600 He's from Michigan.

00:23:20.900 He loves me.

00:23:22.620 Eminem, who they were holding up.

00:23:25.260 They loved his endorsement.

00:23:26.180 Here he is in introducing Obama last week, just as a reminder.

00:23:29.080 Saw 12.

00:23:31.180 And upheld.

00:23:36.480 And here to tell you much more about that, President Barack Obama.

00:23:43.620 I've been tuning in, because once in a lifetime, you better.

00:23:51.720 Okay.

00:23:52.400 And here's just a highlight of some of Eminem's musings on his records.

00:23:58.600 Play nice, bitch.

00:23:59.580 I'll punch Lana Del Rey in the face twice like Ray Rice.

00:24:02.920 Christina Aguilera, better switch me chairs so I can sit next to Carson

00:24:06.440 Daly and Fred Durst and Hiram argue over who she gave H.

00:24:11.200 Felicio to first.

00:24:13.000 Got pissed off and ripped Pamela Lee's breasts off and smacked her so hard, I

00:24:19.400 knocked her clothes backwards like crisscross.

00:24:21.640 He's rapped about machine-gunning women, murdering his ex-wife, slitting a

00:24:25.780 cheating lover's throat, raping his mother, called Mariah Carey a C-word and a

00:24:30.800 whore.

00:24:31.140 His lyrics are always featuring rampant homophobia, including stabbing gay and

00:24:36.300 trans people.

00:24:37.880 And here's just another one from the song Kim, which was released not long ago.

00:24:43.560 Take a listen to Sot 10.

00:24:45.540 You were supposed to love me!

00:24:47.740 Now, bleed, bitch, bleed!

00:24:53.700 Bleed, bitch, bleed!

00:24:56.660 So sweet.

00:24:57.700 That was from 2000.

00:24:59.080 So, Tom, any double standard?

00:25:02.060 Oh, sure.

00:25:06.280 I mean, there's some.

00:25:08.600 But again, you know, Eminem, I don't know that you can play that sort of guilt by

00:25:13.840 association game necessarily with artists who Eminem has a persona, and you may not

00:25:21.420 like it, and you may object to it, but just because he introduces Barack Obama to

00:25:27.880 rally doesn't mean that, you know, Barack Obama-

00:25:30.540 And also endorsed her.

00:25:32.060 Yeah, but that doesn't mean that Barack Obama agrees with everything that Eminem has ever

00:25:36.340 written in his songs or that Kamala Harris-

00:25:38.240 It's not about him, it's about Kamala Harris.

00:25:39.740 Kamala Harris is in charge of who's going to show up at these events.

00:25:42.440 She absolutely could say, it's a no on Eminem.

00:25:45.240 That's what I would say.

00:25:46.480 I would say I like Eminem's music, but it's a no because this is not, again, a party in

00:25:51.240 MK's basement.

00:25:52.380 It is a political event.

00:25:54.540 Go ahead, Tom.

00:25:55.000 No, look, you're right.

00:25:57.900 Theoretically, she could do that.

00:25:59.140 But I mean, you know, if you did that for every person who had something in their background

00:26:03.540 that was offensive or disputable, you wouldn't have anybody to introduce Kamala Harris anywhere.

00:26:08.320 Bleed, bitch, bleed.

00:26:09.920 I want to slit her throats.

00:26:12.960 I want to smack her so hard I knocked her.

00:26:14.580 Like, ah, I don't think that once that that nuanced, I just, here's what I don't like

00:26:20.120 about it.

00:26:20.480 I didn't freak out that Eminem was there.

00:26:22.280 I saw what was likely to come their way.

00:26:24.960 But once you've had Eminem come out and touted his endorsement, you can take a seat about

00:26:30.520 offensive jokes from a comic at the Trump rally.

00:26:35.540 Fair enough.

00:26:36.380 But let's go back to the first thing you said about this, not this Nazi talk.

00:26:40.740 I want to pick up where Andy left off this.

00:26:43.120 I thought what I thought those statements about the rally from the from liberal political

00:26:49.500 commentators was uglier than anything said at that rally to say that to say to say he

00:26:55.960 can't play Madison Square Garden, the iconic venue in Trump's hometown, because in 1939,

00:27:01.640 there was a rally there.

00:27:03.240 I was at Madison Square Garden with Bill Clinton.

00:27:06.160 I saw Jimmy Carter give a salute that sort of arm straight out salute that would, you know,

00:27:13.120 if a Republican did it, they'd be all doing the pictures of Hitler next to him.

00:27:18.460 And and this is just he has a right to play that venue.

00:27:22.740 This this little trick they played of unearthing this rally that most American voters, I knew

00:27:28.120 about it, but most of them didn't to somehow.

00:27:30.920 I don't think Donald Trump did.

00:27:32.500 And it happened before he was born.

00:27:34.880 To link him with that is just such a it's such an underhanded rhetoric trick.

00:27:40.580 I think like I said, I think it was ugly and I don't think it it helps the country.

00:27:44.700 And I think it was just it was I think it was worse than these.

00:27:49.200 Imbecillic people that we've been talking about who were the warm up back.

00:27:54.980 They seem to be in a downward spiral right now.

00:27:57.200 So they're they're amping up the Hitler rhetoric, the fascist rhetoric.

00:28:01.740 Obviously, they're very worried about finishing this race in the place they want to finish it

00:28:06.640 in, Andrew.

00:28:07.380 And, you know, today we have a new poll out ABC Ipsos that shows Harris up for nationally

00:28:14.580 outside the margin of error with likely voters.

00:28:17.580 And I realize at this point, who knows what a likely voter is?

00:28:20.180 I mean, it's like we're actually voting right now in many states.

00:28:24.600 But there that's a piece of good news for the Harris campaign.

00:28:27.800 But there's been many pieces of bad news for the Harris campaign before this week,

00:28:32.300 like in the last eight to 10 days.

00:28:34.140 And all the momentum has seemed behind Trump, which to me explains why they're really spiraling

00:28:39.800 right now.

00:28:40.440 And the rhetoric is going up at what it seems the same rate as their chances in their minds

00:28:47.680 anyway, are going down.

00:28:49.940 Well, I do think that this is their closing argument, their closing argument.

00:28:55.540 The joy is gone.

00:28:57.080 Their closing argument is she's not Trump.

00:29:00.120 And I think that that might be their best argument that they can make at this point.

00:29:04.440 I mean, you know, you have to remember, she she was given a very tough hand here.

00:29:10.060 She came.

00:29:10.700 It's been, what, 11 weeks or so since she actually was, you know, had the nomination.

00:29:15.180 And she's running both as the agent of change and as the sitting vice president.

00:29:21.040 You can't sort of square that circle.

00:29:22.960 And that's the problem the campaign, I think, has had since the very beginning in that she

00:29:27.740 has to defend a record that the American people are not happy with.

00:29:32.260 They're not happy on the two main issues, the immigration question and the question of

00:29:36.000 the economy.

00:29:36.480 On both those issues, she starts way behind.

00:29:41.200 She's got to then say she's going to change things, but she can't.

00:29:44.340 And she can't name a single thing that she would do differently.

00:29:47.320 So she's both boxed herself in, but she's also been boxed in by the situation, I believe.

00:29:54.100 So, yeah, I think this is their closing argument.

00:29:56.280 And like I say, it may be the strongest argument they have.

00:30:01.360 I don't know if it'll be enough, but that certainly seems to be clearly where they're

00:30:05.900 going.

00:30:06.280 She's going to talk Tuesday on the ellipse and here in Washington, D.C., sort of trying

00:30:12.000 to draw, I guess, a distinction between Trump on January 6th and her today.

00:30:17.900 Um, so, you know, that's their argument, whether it'll work or not, I don't know.

00:30:22.620 But, uh, you know, Tom, I'm going to play a little bit from her talking about why she

00:30:26.800 chose this location.

00:30:27.660 But, but before I get that, I want to spend another minute on the polls, Tom, because I

00:30:31.200 heard Morning Joe this morning going off about how the polls have been really good for her

00:30:35.300 lately and that the momentum is behind Kamala Harris lately.

00:30:39.600 You're a data guy.

00:30:40.920 You, you may have your own preference on who to win, but you're a data guy.

00:30:44.340 So what is true?

00:30:45.580 What is true about the polls lately?

00:30:48.860 What's true is that, I mean, you mentioned that, that, um, ABC News Ipsos poll, and that

00:30:55.100 is the only poll that has shown movement in Kamala Harris's direction over the last month.

00:31:00.720 I mean, everything else, uh, has shown movement in Trump's direction to the point where, you

00:31:05.280 know, he's taken the lead in our RCP average and, and, you know, it's been moving slowly

00:31:10.600 in his direction.

00:31:11.400 Again, the electorate's pretty locked in, so it's a point here, point there.

00:31:15.640 Um, but it's definitely moved his direction in the swing States at the national level.

00:31:20.840 You can see it in Kamala Harris's favorability rating.

00:31:23.040 It peaked last month and it started coming down since then Trump's is going up.

00:31:27.440 So it definitely seemed like this race, uh, over the last two weeks had, had moved in

00:31:32.640 Trump's direction.

00:31:33.380 Um, but not by a ton, but by enough to that, that, you know, in this environment, uh, it

00:31:39.880 was, it was noticeable and, and significant.

00:31:42.580 And then the question is again, still got, you know, over a week left and we'll get a final

00:31:47.200 round of polls here at the end of this week, beginning of next week.

00:31:50.860 And, and that'll tell sort of the, the final, the final tale of, of, you know, how these

00:31:56.160 campaigns and how these candidates are, are ending these campaigns on an, on an upswing

00:31:59.880 or a downswing.

00:32:00.500 Um, this poll, um, says according to ABC news slash Ipsos, Harris is doing better because

00:32:08.680 she regained a more customary democratic advantage among Hispanic people and widened her advantage

00:32:14.840 among suburban women while remaining strong in core groups, including black people.

00:32:19.500 Okay.

00:32:20.020 Hello.

00:32:20.580 Let me just refer to my remarks at the top of this hour.

00:32:23.800 Like there's no point in doing anything to alienate Hispanics, suburban women, or

00:32:30.420 black voters, zero point Hispanic voters.

00:32:34.980 Uh, Biden won them by 33 points in 2020.

00:32:38.180 Harris in early October was up with this group by only 12 and now they're showing her up by

00:32:44.500 30.

00:32:45.460 Now, again, this could be an outlier, but this is what their data shows black voters.

00:32:50.000 Biden won black voters by 75 points in 2020 in early October.

00:32:54.560 Harris was up with black voters just by 69.

00:32:57.380 So six points less than Biden.

00:32:59.940 Now they're showing her up with them by 70.

00:33:02.340 So not a huge movement there.

00:33:04.340 And then the good news in this for Trump was independent voters.

00:33:08.560 The poll showed Trump essentially, even with Harris among independents, that's a group Biden

00:33:12.840 won by 13 points in 2020 versus a scant Harris, uh, plus one.

00:33:19.340 Now, according to ABC, the candidate who has won independence has won nine of the last 12

00:33:25.180 presidential elections.

00:33:27.020 So Trump hanging in there with the independents, but do not, don't alienate Hispanics.

00:33:32.680 Don't alienate suburban women.

00:33:34.900 Don't alienate black voters.

00:33:36.560 These should be very simple rules.

00:33:39.280 I'm not a political campaign operative.

00:33:41.580 I am just a journalist, but even I can see with the magic of my eyes.

00:33:46.360 Um, all right, let's take a quick break and then we'll come back.

00:33:49.500 There's a lot to come back and discuss, uh, discuss and maybe discussed stand by for more

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00:35:09.840 I listened to that Rogan interview, as I mentioned, three hours long.

00:35:16.700 Trump maintained his energy, his just humor, his mental quickness throughout three hours.

00:35:27.320 I mean, it's something you forget sometimes that Trump is 78 years old, then went and did

00:35:31.040 a rally in Michigan, um, he, there were absolutely no signs of cognitive decline as some of the

00:35:38.140 left are claiming none.

00:35:39.480 I listened to it all.

00:35:40.480 He was fascinating.

00:35:42.360 I really enjoyed, you know, Rogan said, it's going to be a conversation, not an interview.

00:35:46.340 I like that.

00:35:47.520 That's, you know, I would say you guys, I do more interviews.

00:35:51.560 We're members of the press.

00:35:52.720 It's, it's, it's a different job.

00:35:54.880 And, uh, what he did there was really interesting.

00:35:58.820 Um, he asked him about whether he's going to release, release the JFK files when he,

00:36:04.880 when, if, if he gets back in office, cause he released some, but not all when he was president

00:36:07.920 the first time.

00:36:08.520 And Trump said he would, he would release them all.

00:36:10.840 He said that before, but he gave a little color saying like, it could embarrass some people,

00:36:15.460 but he didn't seem to telegraph that there's going to be something earth shattering in there,

00:36:18.620 which I thought was interesting.

00:36:19.480 He asked him if he believes in aliens and like life from outer space coming to America

00:36:24.760 and like shooting at us in the air.

00:36:26.520 And he said, I've spoken to these bad-ass pilots who can't explain what they've encountered

00:36:31.160 up there any other way.

00:36:32.520 But Trump to me kind of telegraphed he, he wasn't necessarily a believer himself.

00:36:37.780 He said something I've never believed, but I did speak with these guys.

00:36:40.560 So it was, that was interesting.

00:36:42.400 Um, they talked about, oh, I love the part about Trump described, described how he went

00:36:47.320 in, in the fight against ISIS.

00:36:48.900 And he, and he's like, I'm, I ended ISIS.

00:36:50.860 And he talks about how they flew into some dark country, unsafe at night.

00:36:54.600 And they told them they had to turn off the lights on air force one, no lights at all.

00:36:58.660 And Trump was like, really?

00:36:59.620 Oh God.

00:37:00.000 What like, well, are we in that kind of a situation?

00:37:02.700 And he walked us through the moments he got there.

00:37:04.800 And I flew to, um, I flew in, left at three o'clock in the morning.

00:37:11.320 Nobody knew I was going.

00:37:12.520 I got on air force one and we started flying.

00:37:15.560 And when we reached about half an hour away from Iraq, that was where the airport was,

00:37:20.760 big airport, uh, about a half an hour away, they said, sir, I'm sorry, you'll have to turn

00:37:25.980 off all your lights.

00:37:26.880 Why?

00:37:27.860 We're getting close to our site, our land.

00:37:30.200 This is because it's too dangerous?

00:37:31.880 Yeah, too dangerous.

00:37:32.380 Because they see the light up in the air.

00:37:33.740 They'll shoot at it.

00:37:34.100 They'll shoot at it, you know?

00:37:35.360 So, uh, I said, turn the lights off.

00:37:38.540 Then they said, sir, we're going to also pull your shades if that's okay.

00:37:40.960 I said, that's okay.

00:37:41.500 The plane was pitch black.

00:37:43.600 All the lights outside, you know, the blinking, the blinking reds, they were all turned off.

00:37:48.400 There's not a light.

00:37:49.680 And I'm saying, you know, I've landed a lot of planes.

00:37:52.700 And you see like little lights at least.

00:37:55.260 There's nothing.

00:37:56.400 It's just pure desert.

00:37:58.720 And I said, okay, Captain, good, but I'm looking.

00:38:02.680 Now we're, you've been in many planes where it has the computer sign saying 1,000 feet.

00:38:07.780 It goes 1,000, 900, 800.

00:38:13.060 It's a computer voice, but it sounds like, but it's an incredible voice.

00:38:17.160 700.

00:38:18.160 I said, Captain, are we okay?

00:38:20.280 I'm looking.

00:38:21.140 Are we okay, Captain?

00:38:22.320 There's no lights.

00:38:24.020 500.

00:38:24.460 And I'm telling you, there wasn't a light on the runway.

00:38:29.380 Nothing.

00:38:30.820 And we're going in.

00:38:32.740 You okay, Captain?

00:38:33.520 Everything good?

00:38:34.080 Yes, sir.

00:38:34.780 No problem.

00:38:35.420 We'll be down in about one minute, sir.

00:38:37.820 And I'm telling you, Joe, you know, there's always a light.

00:38:42.280 There's not a little pin.

00:38:44.660 And all of a sudden, and you hear, wah, wah, perfect landing like glass.

00:38:50.400 That's how good, I mean, these guys between the equipment and the, it's genius.

00:38:55.140 He talked to these, again, badass generals.

00:38:57.260 He speaks very admiringly about our military leaders, not Millie, not John Kelly, but like

00:39:02.620 the actual guys out in the field doing the job with our troops.

00:39:04.880 And talked about how good looking they were and how strapping they were and how strong

00:39:10.280 they were.

00:39:10.840 And Trump was clearly looking up to them in a way.

00:39:14.180 And, you know, how they laid it on the line that people were saying, no, this can't be

00:39:18.460 done.

00:39:19.080 It's going to take years to wipe out ISIS.

00:39:21.860 And these guys were like, give us six weeks, something like that.

00:39:25.360 Fascinating discussion.

00:39:27.360 Talked about the Afghanistan withdrawal.

00:39:30.080 And Trump put a lot of color on exactly how he would have done that differently.

00:39:33.360 Talked about how, what kind of a moron pulls the troops out first instead of last.

00:39:39.880 And even a child can get that and talked about how at a rally he had once gone, he pulled

00:39:43.920 a little child up on stage and said, when you're in a bad, in a bad area, and then you

00:39:48.060 got the military guys there.

00:39:49.200 So should the military guys leave before the civilians or after?

00:39:52.420 And the little kid said, after he said, see, even a kid gets it.

00:39:55.580 I mean, it was really great stuff.

00:39:58.700 And I thoroughly enjoyed it.

00:39:59.840 Talked a little bit about his debates on the presidential stage.

00:40:02.320 Talked about our debate back in 2015 and my question to him, which he cannot get over.

00:40:09.960 Anyway, love the whole thing.

00:40:12.160 And I'll give you a flavor for, you can hear him yourself, because this is an interesting

00:40:16.480 thing, too.

00:40:16.980 His biggest mistake as president, South 17.

00:40:19.940 It's very dangerous to pick somebody outside of a politician because a politician has been

00:40:23.980 basically vetted for years.

00:40:25.500 Right.

00:40:25.660 You pick a business guy and they've never been vetted at all.

00:40:29.580 And they're, you know, the head of a big company or something, but they've never been

00:40:32.640 vetted.

00:40:33.220 You know nothing about his personal life.

00:40:35.320 You know nothing about where he's been.

00:40:37.120 When you put him in, it's a little bit dangerous because all of a sudden they get checked up

00:40:41.660 and you hear things that you say, wow, this is not going to work out too well.

00:40:45.300 So it's very dangerous.

00:40:46.300 The biggest mistake I made was I picked some people.

00:40:48.900 I picked some great people, you know, but you don't think about that.

00:40:52.880 I picked some people that I shouldn't have picked.

00:40:55.800 I picked a few people that I shouldn't have picked.

00:40:59.660 And neocons.

00:41:01.040 Yeah, neocons or bad people or disloyal people or people that were just people that were into

00:41:06.960 the people that bad advice.

00:41:08.500 Yeah.

00:41:08.860 I mean, look, I mean, you're reading about him a little bit today.

00:41:11.260 I, a guy like Kelly, who was a bully, a bully, but a weak, a weak person.

00:41:15.940 He's bad.

00:41:17.280 Bolton was an idiot, but he was great for me.

00:41:19.860 He was good in a certain way.

00:41:21.340 He's a nut job.

00:41:22.820 And every time I had to deal with a country, when they saw this whack job standing behind

00:41:29.960 me, they said, oh man, Trump's going to go to war with us.

00:41:35.340 That is pretty charming.

00:41:36.820 What'd you guys think?

00:41:37.620 Well, yeah, I think, you know, I think Rogan is amazing.

00:41:43.320 I think no one else is doing, or no one in national politics is doing this three hours

00:41:48.680 to sit down with the presidential candidate and have a conversation.

00:41:52.260 Like you say, it wasn't really an interview, it was a conversation.

00:41:55.140 And that's what made it so interesting.

00:41:57.100 And you're right.

00:41:58.420 I mean, I think Trump pulled it off well.

00:42:01.880 And it's a side of Trump that people who have spent time with him see that maybe the

00:42:08.420 average voter doesn't.

00:42:09.400 And that he's, he is pretty thoughtful, I guess, in conversation.

00:42:12.520 I particularly liked when he talked about the whales who were going crazy due to that.

00:42:17.340 We have that.

00:42:17.880 Let me play a little bit of that so they can hear what you're talking about with the windmills

00:42:22.260 endangering our whales.

00:42:23.940 It's hot 19.

00:42:25.360 I think windmills are really disruptive.

00:42:28.000 When you talk about the environment, they kill the birds.

00:42:30.840 You want to see a bird cemetery?

00:42:32.440 Go under a windmill someday that hasn't been cleaned out with all the bird carcasses.

00:42:38.780 You want, it's like massive amounts of birds.

00:42:40.840 Well, there are also a massive eyesore.

00:42:42.540 Off the coast of New Jersey, they want to build.

00:42:44.740 The people are going crazy not to build them.

00:42:48.240 But where you have them, the whales are washing up on shore.

00:42:50.800 Right.

00:42:51.000 So, in 50 years, they had one whale come ashore.

00:42:54.660 Now they had like 18 come in the last year.

00:42:57.600 What is the, what is happening with the whales?

00:42:59.780 I've read about this.

00:43:00.680 Well, they say that the wind drives them crazy.

00:43:02.720 You know, it's a vibration because you have those, you know, those things are 50-story

00:43:06.460 buildings, some of them.

00:43:07.420 Right.

00:43:07.700 And they're super sensitive to vibrations and sounds.

00:43:10.780 You know, the wind is rushing.

00:43:12.060 The things are blowing.

00:43:13.020 It's a vibration and it makes noise.

00:43:15.960 You know what it is?

00:43:16.740 I want to be a whale psychiatrist.

00:43:18.200 It drives the whales freaking crazy.

00:43:24.160 Go ahead, Andrew.

00:43:25.520 Well, I just mean, it's, it's pretty interesting and pretty fascinating.

00:43:30.100 And, and it, again, it showed a sign of Trump that I think people don't see.

00:43:34.320 So I, you know, I think, I thought it was a smart thing for him to do.

00:43:37.340 And, um, I think it worked, uh, as you pointed out.

00:43:40.220 And he could talk about anything.

00:43:41.980 He could talk about anything.

00:43:42.920 That's one of the things that impressed me about Trump was, uh, who the hell knows?

00:43:46.860 Like, then they spent this whole section talking about UFC fighting, which Trump has a genuine

00:43:51.220 interest in.

00:43:51.940 I mean, I got nothing.

00:43:52.920 I like, that was like listening to an hour in Greek for me, but okay.

00:43:55.980 Trump knew the fighters names.

00:43:57.520 He knew some of the fighting history.

00:43:58.820 Like he was in it for sure.

00:44:00.220 And then like going from ISIS, then he talked to another part that was really interesting

00:44:04.360 guys was, um, he taught, Rogan asked about when he first got to the white house, you

00:44:08.680 know what that was like.

00:44:09.700 And Trump went through it.

00:44:10.840 He was like walking through this beautiful house and seeing a Lincoln bedroom for the

00:44:15.040 first time and talking about the history with Lincoln and the size of the bed and how

00:44:20.160 tall Lincoln was.

00:44:20.800 Like, it was like, that's exactly the kind of thing you'd want to ask Trump if you got

00:44:25.720 to speak to him at like a dinner party.

00:44:27.900 And I said to the guys, I want to see the Lincoln bedroom.

00:44:31.600 I had never seen the Lincoln bedroom.

00:44:33.120 I'd heard about the Lincoln bedroom and I was standing with my wife.

00:44:38.160 I said, do you believe it?

00:44:39.680 This is the Lincoln bedroom.

00:44:41.580 I mean, it was like, it was, it was amazing because it's like, if you love the country,

00:44:49.940 but here you are, the Lincoln bedroom and the bed, you know, he was very tall.

00:44:54.280 He was six foot six, which then would be like, like Barron.

00:44:58.140 Right.

00:44:58.800 Would be like Barron Trump.

00:45:00.260 He's six nine, but six foot six.

00:45:03.120 He was very tall.

00:45:04.140 Then on top of that, he wore that.

00:45:05.280 There it is.

00:45:05.720 He wore that.

00:45:06.340 Yeah, there it is.

00:45:06.980 It's a long bed, elongated bed.

00:45:08.780 And because very, you know, people were shorter than you see.

00:45:12.640 Some of the chairs are very, very low to the ground, actually.

00:45:16.620 But he had the long bed and they had you had the Gettysburg address right on that, right

00:45:23.140 under that.

00:45:23.740 You can't see it here, but right there, the original version of the Gettysburg address.

00:45:28.440 And this is the original.

00:45:29.920 And I'm looking.

00:45:32.320 We never get to speak to him at a dinner party and no one ever gets to hear him at a dinner

00:45:36.060 party.

00:45:36.380 We only get to hear him across from people like me who start hammering him about the

00:45:40.340 stuff that we are supposed to hammer him on because we're journalists.

00:45:43.900 But that was great stuff.

00:45:46.100 What do you guys think?

00:45:46.780 Carl, Tom?

00:45:47.980 Well, you know, you reminded me of something because he spoke about this admiration he had

00:45:52.420 for the military.

00:45:53.200 And this was a few days after the whole media establishment was up in arms about this piece

00:45:59.120 in the Atlantic by Jeffrey Goldberg, in which he it's really a very difficult piece to read.

00:46:04.960 The thesis of it is that Donald Trump doesn't know anything about the military, doesn't

00:46:09.180 understand their values and has contempt for people who would sacrifice their life with

00:46:13.900 the country.

00:46:14.560 It's a very harsh portrait of him.

00:46:17.080 But as as I was reading, as I was listening to Joe Rogan, I was thinking that Jeffrey Goldberg

00:46:21.980 is not like wrong.

00:46:23.080 He's a great journalist.

00:46:24.360 He doesn't make things up.

00:46:25.340 But it's like half the story, because it like you were saying, Megan, he's he gives

00:46:29.720 this interview about the White House and how, you know, charmed he was really to be there.

00:46:34.740 And then sort of casually calls, you know, I guess, you know, Bolton and Rex Tillerson

00:46:39.880 and John Kelly, these names, you know, idiot, whack job, nut job, bully.

00:46:44.920 And, you know, that's all it's of a piece.

00:46:46.760 Trump is both of these people.

00:46:48.160 He's the person who doesn't get the central the core ethos of the military and yet admires

00:46:53.760 the hell out of them.

00:46:54.940 And he sort of my point is he came through in that way as a human being.

00:46:59.640 And then that's, you know, normally you get caricatures one side or the other.

00:47:05.040 The mega people love him and think he walks on water and the other side tries to claim

00:47:09.640 he's Adolf Hitler.

00:47:11.040 And of course, he's neither of those.

00:47:12.560 He's a guy with a lot of charisma and a lot of talent and really amazing flaws, too.

00:47:18.120 And I thought it all came through at Rogan's talk.

00:47:21.760 Go ahead, Tom.

00:47:23.160 No, I was going to say I had a couple of thoughts.

00:47:25.740 And Megan, you've interviewed him.

00:47:26.840 I've interviewed him, too.

00:47:28.420 And and, you know, I always tell people interviewing Trump is like sort of writing a verbal bucking

00:47:33.520 bronco, right?

00:47:34.200 You ask him a question and then you're often you're trying to hold on.

00:47:38.140 He's all over the place.

00:47:38.900 Joe Rogan talked about this, too, you know, trying to keep him, you know, respectfully trying

00:47:42.960 to get him back on answering the question after you've taken a tour.

00:47:46.920 The Weave, now we know it's called, you know, he touches on 10 things.

00:47:52.500 And and certainly that's part of what was going on.

00:47:54.860 I mean, the other thing, too, is and this is for people who aren't who haven't thoroughly

00:47:58.860 been broken by Donald Trump, right?

00:48:00.960 Their brain's been broken.

00:48:02.800 He's funny.

00:48:03.960 He is a funny guy.

00:48:05.520 And and this is, you know, when you see him up there, I mean, Russell Brand had a great

00:48:10.420 thing over the weekend on YouTube.

00:48:11.660 Like, do you think, you know, Hitler would be up there dancing to the YMCA and doing the golf

00:48:16.320 swing?

00:48:16.920 I mean, would Hitler have a comedian come up?

00:48:18.840 I mean, his rallies are, you know, Hitler did not have comedians.

00:48:22.820 I looked it up.

00:48:24.820 No, no, no comedians at Nuremberg.

00:48:27.440 Right.

00:48:27.740 That was the worst Nazi rally ever.

00:48:29.840 There were a lot of Jews there.

00:48:30.960 There were comedians.

00:48:31.760 I mean, if you're a Nazi, that was not for you.

00:48:33.740 But and that's part of what and the people who, you know, love Trump, that's one of the

00:48:39.740 things they love about him is because he is funny and they're in on the joke.

00:48:43.420 And the people whose brains have been broken by Trump, they're not in on the joke.

00:48:47.600 And and all they see is, you know, the worst aspects of him.

00:48:52.220 And they and they built him up into this giant, you know, threat.

00:48:55.680 And so that's why he's become such a polarizing figure.

00:48:59.620 But but his humor did really come through in that in that Joe Rogan interview.

00:49:02.900 One word on the windmills, they are a nightmare.

00:49:08.040 And as somebody who owns property in New Jersey, those windmills along the Jersey shore are

00:49:13.180 an outrage.

00:49:14.460 They got killed in one area of New Jersey, Cape May, and we need to kill them and the

00:49:18.760 rest because we've got a blue state left wing governor who's trying to shove these things

00:49:24.480 down our throat.

00:49:25.200 Notwithstanding the safety studies, look what happened in Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket area

00:49:29.180 over the summer where they shattered all these toxins in the water.

00:49:33.400 The kids couldn't swim.

00:49:34.660 They are damaging the wildlife.

00:49:36.560 They're a nightmare for bird life.

00:49:39.100 It's they don't generate much energy at all.

00:49:41.740 They're unnecessary.

00:49:42.540 We have, as Trump says, a gold mine of fossil fuel energy in this country.

00:49:46.840 It's just awful and they must be stopped.

00:49:50.040 But these left wingers who have this extreme eco agenda are now trying to fact check on the

00:49:55.140 damage to whales that they pose.

00:49:57.240 And they're wrong because Schellenberger, who worked for Greenpeace, who worked in the

00:50:03.100 Obama administration to set up Solyndra windows, solar windows, he was a true believer and then

00:50:10.020 saw how all of this stuff was a nightmare and organically came over to the other side, put

00:50:14.740 out the following.

00:50:15.560 He had a documentary called Thrown to the Wind that discusses the link between renewable wind

00:50:22.220 turbines and whale deaths.

00:50:24.800 Watch.

00:50:27.240 I saw another whale had washed up.

00:50:29.640 It's becoming a pattern.

00:50:31.680 Is it the windmills?

00:50:32.620 Is it the pounding of the seafloor?

00:50:34.700 How many whales is it going to take?

00:50:36.940 There aren't many places where the North Atlantic right whale can go.

00:50:40.160 It's destined to extinction.

00:50:41.620 It sounds like they're going to sound like a mile drive.

00:50:45.480 This is what the whale is.

00:50:47.000 It's crazy.

00:50:47.880 What the United States is looking at is thousands of wind turbines in an area that our whales,

00:50:56.620 our dolphins, our marine life, where they live, where they migrate, where they breed.

00:51:01.940 It's only when they started going into the wind lease areas that we believe that the whales

00:51:07.740 are dying.

00:51:08.160 So those red dots are whale deaths.

00:51:11.480 Precisely.

00:51:12.240 What a scandal.

00:51:13.160 No one wants to talk about it.

00:51:19.380 Trump raises it.

00:51:20.380 He was informed.

00:51:21.220 He didn't know they were going to talk about whale, I mean, wind turbines.

00:51:24.440 But he had done his homework.

00:51:25.580 And the other thing he said that was very interesting, Rogan was pushing nuclear energy, which is

00:51:28.940 good.

00:51:29.480 It's very good.

00:51:30.040 It's efficient.

00:51:30.600 Schellenberger loves it.

00:51:31.400 And Trump revealed his hesitation to it.

00:51:35.280 And he talked just, it was a throwaway, but he talked about how he worries about how a

00:51:39.420 nuclear plant would be a massive terrorist target.

00:51:42.560 And it was like, this is great to hear him talk about this and like what's driving his

00:51:48.200 thought process on energy.

00:51:50.500 He kept going back to the fossil fuels.

00:51:52.660 This was great, you guys.

00:51:54.300 He just showed such a depth of knowledge on so many subjects and all I could think, and

00:51:59.000 of course, Trump said it as well, was there is zero chance Kamala Harris could do this.

00:52:05.580 I mean, zero.

00:52:07.840 There's, and she, we know because she's refusing to do it.

00:52:11.440 She, she, Rogan revealed he did offer her the platform.

00:52:14.800 It wasn't Rogan who said, I don't want her.

00:52:16.680 He offered it to her.

00:52:17.640 He begged her again to do it.

00:52:19.460 She, she won't because she can't.

00:52:21.840 Why are you smirking at me, Carl?

00:52:24.000 No, I, I, I, I was on record on our podcast of having high hopes for her.

00:52:29.000 Her as a candidate and said, there is no evidence.

00:52:31.760 This was me six months ago.

00:52:33.700 There is no evidence that she wouldn't be a better candidate than Joe Biden.

00:52:37.600 And I guess I would, there's a little bit of evidence now.

00:52:42.160 That she, no, no evidence that she would not, as you're saying.

00:52:46.140 Yeah.

00:52:46.280 I thought she'd be, I thought there was, she's six, she was 59 at the time.

00:52:50.260 He was 81 at the time.

00:52:51.860 I thought she'd get her sea legs in a hurry and be a stronger candidate than she's proven

00:52:56.200 to be.

00:52:56.680 I don't, I don't, I don't blame myself for her shortcomings in these interviews, but I'm

00:53:02.260 not happy about being proven wrong.

00:53:05.340 None of us, none of us is happy about her shortcomings.

00:53:08.600 We'll pick that up right after the break.

00:53:11.180 Quick break.

00:53:11.900 And then back with the guys from RealClearPolitics.

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00:54:26.120 So guys, over on Team Blue, it didn't go very well this weekend either.

00:54:34.980 First, we were told that Beyonce was going to perform at a Kamala Harris rally in Houston,

00:54:42.160 Texas.

00:54:43.360 Some 30,000 people showed up.

00:54:45.220 Some huge number of people showed up.

00:54:47.100 And Beyonce came out to the stage and said four minutes of words and left.

00:54:53.460 There was no performance, but they did get a performance from the 91-year-old Willie Nelson,

00:55:01.600 which I believe we call a bait and switch.

00:55:05.800 And also we call bad politics.

00:55:09.900 Andrew, if you were advising Team Harris, would you, how would you like to explain that to

00:55:15.420 the 30,000 people there ready to see as Victor Davis Hanson calls her Beyonce?

00:55:20.560 Well, I'm a huge Willie Nelson fan, so I will say I would have been happy.

00:55:28.160 You're the one.

00:55:28.820 I think there are probably people in Texas who agree with me.

00:55:31.600 I actually saw Willie Nelson play a little while ago, and I brought my two daughters

00:55:34.700 with me to that concert because I said, you have to see this.

00:55:38.740 You will tell your children you saw Willie Nelson.

00:55:41.000 He's an American icon.

00:55:42.920 And I would have rather seen him than Beyonce any day of the week.

00:55:49.620 Your heroes have always been cowboys.

00:55:51.880 Exactly.

00:55:52.640 Having said that, I'm probably not the target demo.

00:55:56.180 And yeah, I think big mistake and an odd one, because you would think that I've been

00:56:03.280 struck by this all along.

00:56:05.060 I've said this on our show.

00:56:07.660 You know, they have all of Hollywood behind them.

00:56:09.920 They've got the best comedians, the best writers in the world working for Kamala Harris

00:56:16.620 right now.

00:56:17.000 And she doesn't seem to be able to perform at the level you would think.

00:56:22.080 I'm thinking back to the dinner, the Catholic dinner with the terrible, the Al Smith dinner

00:56:28.780 was just terrible.

00:56:30.200 This was the same thing.

00:56:31.400 I mean, whoever said, let's have Beyonce come up and talk for three and a half minutes

00:56:35.980 and leave, you know, again, political malpractice.

00:56:39.000 Now, maybe not at the same level as what we saw on Sunday from the Republicans, but a lot

00:56:46.520 of a lot of mistakes on both sides right now, I think.

00:56:49.280 And they put out the same thing that she was going to perform and was all over.

00:56:52.420 I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.

00:56:57.960 But remember, they did this in Chicago.

00:56:59.660 She the rumor went out.

00:57:00.840 She was going to they filled up the place that was hard.

00:57:03.720 The lines were the security was wild.

00:57:06.700 The rumors swept the hall.

00:57:08.600 Beyonce is going to speak, going to sing here and she's going to endorse Kamala and sing.

00:57:13.820 And then she didn't even show up at all.

00:57:15.600 So at least they got her to the venue this time.

00:57:17.840 They're making progress.

00:57:18.860 Maybe, you know, I don't know, after Trump's inaugurated, they'll get her to sing or something.

00:57:24.420 She'll actually finally sing.

00:57:25.540 They did have Stevie Wonder, which was pretty good, though.

00:57:28.680 I mean, OK, you can't go by Stevie Wonder's endorsement because, yeah, for all sorts of reasons.

00:57:35.280 I was going to make a joke, but I decided not to because this is not a day for good jokes.

00:57:39.240 OK, by the way, when we're all in person, I'm going to tell you my funniest joke in the

00:57:44.120 world and it is about Willie Nelson and you will be both offended and laugh.

00:57:50.160 So Kamala Harris is fake news.

00:57:53.360 She does not have Beyonce perform at the DNC.

00:57:56.020 She does not have her perform in Houston.

00:57:58.680 She's fake news.

00:57:59.760 And now she has debuted yet another fake accent.

00:58:03.900 This one appears to be her pastor accent.

00:58:08.180 And it's amazing.

00:58:09.520 It might be my favorite one yet.

00:58:11.140 She was at the Church of Christian Compassion in Philadelphia and right in Philadelphia.

00:58:17.220 Check it out.

00:58:19.260 Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.

00:58:27.580 The path may seem hard.

00:58:30.020 The work may seem heavy, but joy cometh in the morning.

00:58:34.760 And church morning is on its way.

00:58:42.280 Tom, come on.

00:58:44.300 Have you ever seen someone so phony?

00:58:48.260 Look, and this is part of the problem of the campaign.

00:58:50.720 And this was the interesting contrast, you know, with that really became apparent over

00:58:58.420 the last couple of weeks.

00:58:59.240 You know, Trump's just Trump, right?

00:59:00.780 He wears his red tie.

00:59:01.940 He's serving burgers at McDonald's.

00:59:03.620 He goes to wherever he is.

00:59:05.680 He talks the same way.

00:59:07.140 He doesn't put on any airs of trying to be somebody other than he is, right?

00:59:12.200 Meanwhile, Kamala Harris puts on all sorts of airs wherever she goes, to whomever she's

00:59:18.060 speaking, to try and ingratiate herself.

00:59:21.260 I guess this is the idea, but it comes off as inauthentic.

00:59:24.900 It comes off as phony.

00:59:26.120 And she gets made fun of for it.

00:59:28.140 And voters know when politicians are authentic and when they are not.

00:59:33.840 And usually they choose authenticity when they're in the voting booth.

00:59:39.000 But again, they didn't get a chance to choose, at least on the Democratic side this time around.

00:59:42.540 So this is what they've got.

00:59:44.140 But she continues to do this.

00:59:46.560 And it, you know, one time it happens, not a big deal.

00:59:50.420 Second, third, fourth, fifth time, tenth time, whatever we're on now, it does become a problem.

00:59:55.400 And it is something that she, I think, is struggling with with voters.

00:59:59.160 I'm going to need to hear that again.

01:00:01.860 Can we can we hear it one more time?

01:00:04.700 Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.

01:00:12.980 The path may seem hard.

01:00:15.300 The work may seem heavy, but joy cometh in the morning and church morning is on its way.

01:00:26.160 I'm sorry, but that's amazing.

01:00:28.060 That's my favorite clip.

01:00:29.280 Of the day.

01:00:31.420 She's done many accents, as you know, that is just one of many.

01:00:35.000 I guess we'll meet.

01:00:36.380 We've had what?

01:00:37.500 Like, like the Jamaican.

01:00:40.300 Her dad was Jamaican.

01:00:40.960 We had Jamaican Kamala.

01:00:43.140 We had like the more sort of urban Kamala.

01:00:47.700 Well, we have a montage.

01:00:48.940 Let's let's take a walk down memory lane.

01:00:51.080 And by that, I mean, over the past two months.

01:00:53.520 Have, you know, empathy, man.

01:00:55.400 You know, for the suffering of other people.

01:01:00.860 You know, have, you know, sense of purpose.

01:01:04.780 You better thank a union member for sick leave.

01:01:07.700 You better thank a union member for paid leave.

01:01:10.080 You better thank a union member for vacation time.

01:01:13.680 I love you back.

01:01:16.800 We're going to beat him in November.

01:01:18.940 We're going to beat him in November.

01:01:21.600 Okay?

01:01:22.980 We'll beat him in November.

01:01:24.200 And you all helped us win in 2020.

01:01:27.300 And we're going to do it again in 2024.

01:01:30.760 Hello to all my divine nine brothers and sisters.

01:01:36.280 And my thoroids.

01:01:43.280 And to all my HBCU brothers and sisters.

01:01:46.620 Oh, I got to be honest.

01:01:50.920 It crossed over from like, I was really enjoying it too.

01:01:53.220 I'm really worried about us.

01:01:54.480 Like we, this can't happen.

01:01:56.220 I know my, my favorite was Jamaican Kamala because it was so out of context.

01:02:02.220 I mean, she's on with Stephen Colbert.

01:02:03.640 It's not like she was, it's not like she was talking to, you know, all these other ones.

01:02:06.840 She's in front of a group.

01:02:07.660 She's in front of, you know, union workers in Detroit or whatever.

01:02:11.000 And then she's there with Stephen Colbert and breaks out the, have you no empathy, man?

01:02:16.620 You know, here's another one.

01:02:20.900 I got to show you.

01:02:22.100 Maybe you've seen it, but she had some weird cringy beer sit down with Gretchen Whitmer

01:02:27.680 in Michigan, in Kalamazoo.

01:02:30.880 And they, so they go to this bar and they're on camera.

01:02:35.200 And for some reason they chose to pretend that they didn't know microphones were there.

01:02:41.300 It's like, oh, gee, what are these enormous cameras doing behind us?

01:02:45.420 And these big mics right in front of us, whatever could be happening here and tried to play it

01:02:50.260 off.

01:02:50.440 Like they were just having girl talk, you know, private time until it was like the big reveal

01:02:55.240 of, oh, microphones.

01:02:56.960 Watch.

01:02:58.580 I'm having what she's having.

01:03:03.900 It's an Oberon and it's made right here in Kalamazoo, which many are calling Kamalazoo.

01:03:10.580 Cheers.

01:03:11.020 Okay.

01:03:11.620 Cheers.

01:03:12.380 Cheers.

01:03:13.400 Cheers.

01:03:13.860 Cheers.

01:03:14.740 Cheers.

01:03:15.220 Cheers.

01:03:17.700 Cheers.

01:03:20.320 Great rally.

01:03:22.280 Good.

01:03:24.820 Oh, we have microphones.

01:03:25.980 We're just listening to everything.

01:03:27.440 I didn't realize that.

01:03:29.540 Okay.

01:03:30.480 So you'll bleed my F words.

01:03:33.060 We just told all the family secrets.

01:03:34.960 Shit.

01:03:35.740 Shit.

01:03:36.180 okay just even on that shot look across the bar you can see all the photogs with their 35

01:03:49.760 millimeter cameras all the lenses trained on like the notion that they didn't think there

01:03:54.420 were microphones that they were being recorded is absurd it's a lie carl like so much of her

01:04:00.360 she's a lie megan i think she's a method actor you may be selling her short i think she got into

01:04:06.780 the role and then she forgot the cameras were there and she's just in the moment i mean if she

01:04:15.220 at least chugged that beer i could have said maybe she was drunk but she took the tiniest little sip

01:04:20.400 ever because she's not a beer drinker i i can't handle the fakeness i really can't and because

01:04:27.320 the reason is be one thing if she were fake but she could be president and we you can't be dumb

01:04:33.460 and be president you can't be empty you can't be soulless you can't be undefined you can't be

01:04:38.840 unaccomplished in terms of actual legislation you've pushed through or pushed through or goals that

01:04:43.280 you've accomplished yes she's one higher office time and time again but the achievement of those

01:04:48.340 political victories appear to be the sum total of what kamala harris has done so it's as much as i

01:04:54.720 love to laugh i love about to laugh about pretty much anything andrew i really am more scared i like

01:04:59.680 i'm concerned about us well i think you know just in terms of these media events it the the beer

01:05:09.860 drinking struck me as sort of the inverse of the of the mcdonald's thing where the left went crazy

01:05:15.380 because they were saying the mcdonald's thing was staged um as if as if it wasn't staged as if anybody

01:05:21.960 didn't know that and then this is where it's like oh she's pretending like it wasn't staged and

01:05:27.200 so it's very meta in a way and um as you know as you're trying to sort of consume the media that's

01:05:34.380 out there it's hard to sort of keep up with with what you're supposed to be thinking i do think on

01:05:38.700 the accents um you know they call it style switching or code switching it's it's african americans

01:05:45.740 talk differently to different audiences obama did it other people did it i have to say um i've seen

01:05:52.320 politicians in massachusetts um dial their boston accent up and down depending on whether they're

01:05:58.380 in dorchester or whether they're um speaking you know to a harvard audience so people do this um i

01:06:05.260 think again going back to what i said earlier she the problem with kamala harris has i think is that

01:06:13.100 this is all we know about her is what we're learning about her in this sort of 11 12 13 weeks

01:06:17.620 since she um got the nomination so that there's no sort of backstory there's no sort of foundation

01:06:24.520 on which to put this and go oh yeah she did that but remember when she did this five years ago or two

01:06:29.500 years ago or six years ago whereas with trump you have this you know he's just been in the national

01:06:33.940 consciousness for eight years so it's hard to change anybody's mind about him um so every time she does

01:06:40.480 something like this you know it sticks out and becomes what what we know about her as a as a

01:06:46.920 people and sometimes it sometimes it's it's hurting her that's for sure she you know the other problem

01:06:53.100 obviously and everybody knows this is she can't answer a question like she just can't answer a

01:06:57.420 question she could she could never do joe rogan back to the point carl and i were exchanging before

01:07:01.180 the break and it's frustrating because we actually do really need her to answer questions given the job

01:07:07.380 she's applying for so this has led i believe directly to some of her sinking poll numbers

01:07:11.540 people the more they get exposed to her realize she doesn't have it she doesn't have the intellectual

01:07:15.900 capacity or the willingness to share ideas um or even entertain them and instead of just grappling

01:07:22.440 with that reality like some democrats have i mean some like axelrod who was out you know the word salad

01:07:28.540 this isn't good it's not resonating what we got this weekend was a lecture from michelle obama

01:07:32.860 about how our standards for her are too high um that what we are expecting of her is to dazzle us

01:07:43.960 and that it's unfair and she goes on to suggest it's sexism and racism that leads us to set these

01:07:51.240 standards or to want trump instead take a listen to sat 34 kick it off that some of us are choosing

01:07:58.000 to ignore donald trump's gross incompetence while asking kamala to dazzle us at every turn i i hope

01:08:06.480 that you'll forgive me if i'm a little angry that we are indifferent to his erratic behavior

01:08:16.720 his obvious mental decline his history as a convicted felon

01:08:21.760 a known a known slumlord a predator found liable for sexual abuse all of this while we

01:08:30.880 pick apart kamala's answers from interviews that he doesn't even have the courage to do y'all

01:08:36.720 dazzle that's what that's where the bar has been set guys

01:08:45.240 she said dazzle us at every turn that that's a that's a straw man argument in my opinion

01:08:51.420 megan she i i when she not doesn't answer these questions it's not just that i i'm curious about

01:08:58.060 what the policies would be as a voter of a kamala harris administration i just want to know how she

01:09:03.480 thinks i want to see how her mind works i want to see how she works things out and and to give these

01:09:09.500 these answers that just sort of meandering that go nowhere um she's deflecting is what she's she's

01:09:16.580 declining to answer she's declining to engage she's declining to show people how she thinks and so i i

01:09:22.660 think that i think michelle obama is is wrong about that and nobody's asking her to dazzle us at every

01:09:29.360 turn we're asking her to behave like a normal presidential candidate and give interviews that are you

01:09:36.600 know hold press conferences she still has not held a press conference she's given these selected

01:09:40.120 interviews and and you know in a press conference there'd be follow-up questions somebody asked a

01:09:45.380 question her answer would raise another question i just want to see how she how her mind works i want

01:09:50.700 to see what kind of president she'd be i don't think that's too much to ask now michelle goes on tom

01:09:56.420 she goes on to direct her message right to men and also women then too but this is her closing

01:10:04.080 message as we have what eight days to go watch please

01:10:09.280 do not

01:10:12.160 do not put our lives

01:10:17.940 in the hands of politicians mostly men who have no clue or do not care about what we as women are

01:10:27.740 going through anyone out there thinking about sending out this election or voting for donald trump

01:10:33.140 or a third party candidate in protest because you're fed up let me warn you your rage does not

01:10:41.920 exist in a vacuum if we don't get this election right your wife your daughter your mother we as women

01:10:50.760 will become collateral damage to your rage

01:10:53.540 to the women listening we have every right to demand that our the men in our lives do better by us

01:11:05.320 we have to use our voices to make these choices

01:11:14.100 to the men that we love our lives are worth more than their anger and disappointment i i lay awake at

01:11:22.600 night wondering what in the world is going on and it's clear to me that the question isn't whether

01:11:29.780 kamala is ready for this moment because by every measure she has demonstrated that she's ready

01:11:36.140 the real country the real question is

01:11:40.620 as a country are we ready for this moment

01:11:44.700 tom your thoughts on that that our lives as women

01:11:49.280 are worth more than your anger and disappointment as a man that's the closing message

01:11:56.180 yeah once again america has disappointed michelle obama uh just can't seem to rise to

01:12:03.500 her expectations or something listen broadly speaking right it is not a good idea to send out

01:12:13.120 michelle obama barack obama and everybody else to try and browbeat voters into uh you know voting the

01:12:22.140 way that you want them to as opposed to persuading them and showing them through argument and through

01:12:30.580 issues how your vision for the country is going to be better for them than the alternative and they

01:12:37.980 have settled on this idea that their closing argument is you know trump's orange man bad right

01:12:43.740 it's been the democrats it's been what kamala harris and they can get a certain amount of mileage out of

01:12:49.960 that obviously i mean you can see by the polls that they've gotten they've gotten a lot of mileage out

01:12:54.500 of it but is it enough i just don't think it is and then to send people out um you know to sort of

01:13:01.500 take this morally superior approach and tell voters how to think and what to do and how to vote and if you

01:13:09.760 don't you know your wives and mothers and daughters and everyone are going to be so disappointed in you

01:13:16.160 and and all that it's just not it doesn't strike me as as compelling um and i don't know that there's

01:13:24.280 any evidence that it's that it's going to to move the needle well you know the other thing is we just

01:13:29.560 had barack obama last week going how do we get so divided i don't know how we got so divided once you

01:13:35.520 take a look at rhetoric like that saying that if you're a trump voter your anger is going to cost

01:13:41.660 women their lives not even a thought not even an attempt to understand you know what there are

01:13:46.820 actually a lot of men and women who worry about domestic terrorism who worry about a nuclear bomb

01:13:53.560 who worry about crime on the streets of places like new york and thought things were better under trump

01:13:58.040 we are not driven as a country as a people by the sole issue of abortion and what might happen in

01:14:09.280 one state where they've restricted it and like they think it's all about those few women who cannot

01:14:17.380 in today's day and age figure out how to get an abortion where by the way it may be harder than it

01:14:23.020 was pre-row but it's not hard you can still get the abortion drugs you there are more abortions now

01:14:29.420 than pre-dobs that's a fact and but they think everyone is driven by what happens with abortion as

01:14:36.980 opposed to those issues i just outlined it's absolutely clueless and it's just so divisive

01:14:41.640 to look at the men and say check your anger i am more important me and my uterus it's like that's

01:14:51.060 what's going to drive up the male vote right i mean like andrew i feel like there this is why how

01:14:55.160 why young men are like forget these people you know those five percent we talked about that that kind

01:15:01.420 of speech is going to make them go in there and pull the lever for trump yeah well i'm i mean i the

01:15:08.880 theory of the case is i guess that there's what they call dobbs dads out there that there are enough men

01:15:15.000 who will be cowed by this sort of rhetoric um you know it's hard especially coming from michelle obama

01:15:21.440 um you know this country did elect her husband a black american president twice we did give the

01:15:30.740 popular vote to hillary clinton a woman once um it's hard to keep going back to this well that this is

01:15:37.000 racist and sexist country uh when you look at what's happened over the last 10 15 20 years in this

01:15:42.420 country um so i i think it's a dry well they keep going back to it it may work again i don't know

01:15:49.440 but i think that um you know overall i think you do have this huge divide right now or bigger than

01:15:56.760 normal divide uh along sort of sex i guess um and the sleeper issue i think and uh megan i know you've

01:16:07.480 talked about it before is the sort of the trans issue which is out there as well which i think um

01:16:13.040 is another one which is really turning off both males and a lot of female voters right now

01:16:17.680 it is amazing can i just add real quick megan yeah go ahead tom that the i mean again it's it's

01:16:25.020 always useful to remind people that that you know if there's racism and sexism uh that prevented

01:16:31.260 is is preventing kamala harris from being president uh democratic primary voters are the ones who

01:16:37.800 rejected her in 2019 uh you know they got a good look at her and they simply didn't want to choose

01:16:43.980 her she didn't even make it to the starting gate in iowa and and so you know are you arguing is she

01:16:51.440 arguing that that democratic primary voters were racist and sexist in 2019 right well the other point

01:16:58.220 is the democrats were on bended knee with two dozen red roses begging michelle obama to run especially

01:17:08.060 when joe biden started to implode they would have done anything to sub her in is it just kamala harris's

01:17:15.000 race and gender only when it's in the name and face of kamala harris that being a person of color and a

01:17:21.280 woman will stop you and it's just i'm so sick and tired of michelle obama whining about how racist and

01:17:27.940 sexist america is we made her rich and famous and beloved beyond any measure everything she has

01:17:39.140 is due to this country her martha's vineyard estate and her chicago estate and her washington dc estate

01:17:46.020 and her hawaii estate and her trips on the david geffen yacht i am sick and tired of her complaining

01:17:53.340 about us it's like oprah just shut up all of your gifts are due to us all we want to hear you say

01:18:03.180 is thank you that's it that's what we want to hear you say stop ripping on the country by the way

01:18:09.260 by current count we have a current sitting vice president who's a woman and a person of color and

01:18:17.020 it happens to be the very same woman michelle obama says we're not ready for uh to ascend to the

01:18:21.880 presidency we have four women on the u.s supreme court right now four all three of the liberals are

01:18:29.360 women there's a conservative woman women have ascended to massive positions of power in this

01:18:34.280 administration and the last as well that not to mention people of color same same same we've had

01:18:40.520 a black president already i know we haven't had a woman president i firmly believe we will and we would

01:18:45.800 if we found one who wanted the job who was strong and newer stuff unfortunately for kamala harris it's

01:18:53.640 not her um okay we'll find out for sure what the american electorate has to say in either eight days or

01:18:59.240 like 18 or maybe eight weeks um could we'll find out we're not it's unclear when we're gonna know the

01:19:04.640 results guys thank you thank you both so much thank you all um okay in a minute we are going to be

01:19:12.900 joined by a hollywood star who has taken the leap and endorsed donald trump you're gonna know him

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01:21:21.300 joining me now a hollywood actor who is not afraid to speak his mind even when it comes to politics

01:21:31.860 you know him as chuck bartowski in the comedy series chuck or as superhero shazam now he's one of the

01:21:38.980 very few hollywood stars to step out and endorse donald trump zachary levi is an actor and founder of

01:21:46.280 nerd hq an organization supporting mental health and education and his new movie the unbreakable boy

01:21:52.560 is out this february zachary welcome to the show thank you so much for having me on megan long time

01:21:57.680 long time listener first time caller this is even more brave than anything shazam ever did

01:22:02.220 a hollywood actor coming out endorsing not just a republican but trump yeah i mean you know listen i i

01:22:09.880 yeah listen on the outside of it uh the optics absolutely are something that is uh insane to a lot

01:22:15.540 of people and i understand that and it was something that i thought and prayed a lot about

01:22:19.820 before i did i measured it all out and there were a lot of things ultimately that you know culminated in

01:22:25.800 my in that decision i mean you know first and foremost i've always been i would consider myself

01:22:30.260 a libertarian moderate conservative leaning but also i think socially progressive in other ways

01:22:34.880 um most of my life my parents were kennedy democrats that became reagan republicans that taught

01:22:40.560 me to have a healthy a healthy level of distrust of our government and all industry um because

01:22:46.000 absolute power corrupts absolutely and uh so my whole life i've always just had my eyes open and my

01:22:51.880 ears open to a lot of nonsense and um listen i i as i stated on instagram you know in a very long

01:22:59.780 live i am not i didn't vote for trump in the last two elections i actually voted libertarian in the last

01:23:03.960 two elections but this election is arguably i don't know a million times more important than

01:23:10.000 any election certainly since i've been alive because what we're facing is either um voting for

01:23:15.980 someone that you might not love entirely i don't love everything about donald trump i there's so many

01:23:20.560 things that i wish that he wouldn't say or do i think a lot of trump voters are that you know and

01:23:25.660 so to lump all of us into like oh you must stand for everything he stands for no sorry no i would

01:23:30.480 actually be a far more eloquent person i wish he was i wish he wasn't saying things like they're

01:23:35.000 you know this or they're that the ways in which he can use pejoratives or whatever i i don't stand for

01:23:40.780 that i i'm very much about love i'm very much about being able to reach through and talk to somebody and

01:23:45.880 see where they're afraid and i think that trump bulldozes through a lot of that stuff but i'm sorry

01:23:52.060 what we have two candidates we have very clear examples of what they've done in this nation

01:23:57.300 and though i did not vote for trump he had that actually he did a good job he did a good job for

01:24:03.320 four years the world didn't blow up the he didn't turn into the nazi fascist that everybody accused

01:24:07.960 them that he was going to be the first time around we entered no more wars our economy was better our

01:24:12.840 border was better um even if i don't like all of his trumpiness that's true all of that is true

01:24:18.900 and kamala though she might be fun to have a beer with or something is not qualified in any way

01:24:25.800 shape or form to be the commander-in-chief the leader of the free world absolutely not and more

01:24:29.800 than that i think even if she's not aware of it she would be a puppet of a much more nefarious system

01:24:36.460 that i believe you know you could call the deep state you can call whatever you want to call it

01:24:40.000 but it is i think the duopoly the thing at the top the thing at the top that's over all of it that

01:24:45.840 really wants us to stay in all of these endless wars and keep all of us endlessly sick

01:24:50.340 so that's it to me it was like it's it's now or never i cannot sit on my hands i cannot bite my

01:24:56.420 tongue anymore and more than that i really do believe and i've been preaching for a few years

01:25:01.420 now i do believe ai is something that we all everyone and across all industries we need to be

01:25:06.080 very weary of and and alarmed about because in my industry and entertainment it is about to i believe

01:25:13.020 eviscerate all of our jobs so i sat there and i thought well what am i really afraid of am i afraid that

01:25:18.080 i'm going to not be hired by studios that aren't going to be offering us jobs anyway because basically

01:25:22.940 anyone can sit at home and type i want a movie that looks feels and sounds like this and enter and they

01:25:27.820 have it so i just kind of felt like you know yes it's maybe it's brave maybe it's bold but

01:25:33.820 i feel like god created me to fight and be a leader and care and if i can use my platform to do that then i

01:25:40.880 will do that so well said i mean i think a lot of people feel like you do they look at trump maybe they

01:25:47.060 have mixed feelings on him but they think about somebody like elon who really does know a lot

01:25:51.540 about ai being in a leadership position skinning down government and finding efficiencies in it

01:25:57.900 um and rfkj coming in there you you i know you're a fan of his but you mentioned making america healthy

01:26:04.600 again you really get the feeling he can do it you know trump he's been introducing rfkj msg and

01:26:11.360 elsewhere by saying we're not going to let him do anything on environment or energy he's a little

01:26:16.720 out there on that stuff for me if that's trump saying but he said but that stuff right on and

01:26:21.620 that's an exciting thought to think of rfkj going in there and cracking down on groups like the fda

01:26:26.580 and all these others who work together to keep us sick absolutely i mean listen that was part of my

01:26:31.460 journey i was a bobby kennedy guy i i really i still feel like he would be the best president i think

01:26:37.480 he would be such an incredible president um and i and i supported him and i was with him and i was

01:26:43.680 doing everything i could for his campaign the democratic party not trump and the republicans

01:26:50.140 the democratic party made it impossible for him to run that's a fact so and then ultimately having

01:26:56.100 you know uh a non-primary a non-democratic primary just putting kamala into where she was

01:27:01.300 but i went through bobby to me bobby is somebody who really understands and by the way also i love

01:27:07.100 his eloquence i love that he reaches across i love that he's he has so so many reasons that he could

01:27:12.000 spill and spew so much hate about so many people given the history of his own family and what our

01:27:16.780 government i believe has absolutely done to his father and to his uncle and he doesn't do that he

01:27:21.660 takes the high road every single time and he really understands what's going on particularly with

01:27:25.440 the health of this nation and the corruption that is going on in our food industry our agricultural

01:27:30.440 industry our pharmaceutical industry our energy industry all of these industries because that's

01:27:35.160 what happens when you have lobbyists when you have special interests when you have money that

01:27:40.480 can go from an industry to a politician in order to grease wheels which is what we've been doing

01:27:45.140 for far too long you get so much corruption and bobby knows that and bobby really can get in there

01:27:50.620 and do it so once he dropped out and once he and and trump really came together and they formed

01:27:55.520 this unity movement and then for tulsi gabbard to come in i mean really tulsi she's how

01:28:00.380 i ended up getting involved in all of this because we became friends i told her what i was concerned

01:28:04.320 with and that i thought she and bobby were amazing and that as difficult as it can be sometimes to want

01:28:09.720 to stand in this trump campaign because of those things that i might have issue with i know at the

01:28:15.900 end of the day he's still the right of these two options the right way to go and then tulsi said hey

01:28:20.660 listen um it will you know this could be a difficult thing for you but if you wanted to moderate our

01:28:26.400 town hall bobby and i are going to do a town hall with the trump campaign in michigan

01:28:29.680 and i really felt like that was you know as i thought and prayed like god if you want me to

01:28:34.800 really step into all of this i need you to tell me i need you to call me into this and then for for

01:28:39.160 tulsi to literally call me and say would you want to do this i prayed i thought i said okay i think i

01:28:45.720 think this is that moment where i can i can do what i need to do but because like you're saying

01:28:50.540 this i'm not voting for donald trump i'm voting for donald trump and bobby kennedy and tulsi gabbard

01:28:55.820 and vivek ramaswamy and uh and elon musk and jd vance and everyone else that they're going to bring

01:29:02.600 in in this team this avengers this boltron whatever you want to call it and they're going to get in

01:29:08.460 there and actually do what donald trump said he was going to do the first time which is drain the

01:29:11.540 swamp and he has admitted that he couldn't do it and he didn't do it because he didn't know what

01:29:15.320 he was doing he didn't even think he was going to win the first time and he had no time for

01:29:19.000 his transition team and then it was loaded with a bunch of sycophants and horrible people

01:29:22.440 that were the swamp monsters that bobby kennedy has very accurately pointed out and so now

01:29:27.040 they're privately funding i love this that trump is privately funding his own transition team

01:29:31.280 not waiting for the government so they are ready to go and they are not compromised that is the

01:29:36.400 government that i want that is the that is something bobby is 100 he and tulsi are going to be let

01:29:43.180 loose to be the bulldogs that we need to hold people to account and by the way and they will do it

01:29:48.260 fairly they will do it civilly they will do it in love i've sat with both of them they are incredibly

01:29:53.860 wonderful human people that really want and which is why by the way you know they're not the it's

01:30:01.000 fascinating to me that the democrats want to tout cheney endorsing kamala as if that's a good thing

01:30:07.040 as if somehow that's like a feather in the cap that's a guy that almost everyone could agree on both

01:30:12.720 right and left once we all found out the weapons of mass destruction was a lie all of us could go

01:30:18.120 that's not a guy we want that's not a guy we want to trust so his endorsement to me is nonsense for

01:30:22.080 bobby and tulsi lifelong democrats to literally leave their party and say no no no it has the

01:30:27.660 polls have shifted if the republican party is now the party of peace and and and and free speech and

01:30:34.900 all of these things and actually holding big business and industry accountable then by god that's

01:30:40.220 where they want to be and that's where we should all want to be that's exactly right this is not your

01:30:44.300 grandfather's republican party at all especially with this team of rivals he's put together jordan

01:30:49.180 peterson this is a reference you can understand was referring to them as a bunch of marvel superheroes

01:30:54.260 uh just exactly that crowd you just mentioned elon rfkj tulsi vivake um i can't remember there was

01:31:00.920 another one but all around trump yeah jd vance helping him get the ball you know over the into the end

01:31:07.800 zone together like each of them sort of working on their key issues so you're getting more than just

01:31:13.060 trump you're getting a team that we've seen now for years in the public eye it's exciting if he loses

01:31:18.520 that's one of the things i'll be most disappointed about the next day you know like not just the loss

01:31:23.200 of trump and the elevation of kamala but the loss of all this opportunity like what good that team could

01:31:29.340 do for the country it's just how could who looks at elon and says no i don't i don't want you i don't

01:31:36.380 want your mind helping us who looks at rfkj and says i don't want you cleaning up the water that my

01:31:42.060 kids swim in or the food that they eat unfortunately there's a lot of people who think that and i don't

01:31:48.780 think that they're horrible people i think they're people that have been propagandized to and lied to for

01:31:52.760 far too long and i and i ultimately i think this is one of the greatest um evils that has been

01:31:59.440 perpetrated against really all of humanity but i'll just speak for us in the united states is that

01:32:04.600 we have a media and and by the way a lot of people within the media those journalists those pundits i

01:32:11.460 don't even think they're horrible people that are somehow in on this plan i think they unwittingly are

01:32:17.820 spreading a lot of the very misinformation that they accuse x and elon and and donald and everybody

01:32:24.520 else of of of spreading but it's just simply not true we have a bifurcated population in large part

01:32:31.600 because half the population or whatever portion of the population still believes the mainstream media

01:32:37.040 and the stories that come out of it that would tell you that elon's a horrible person that donald's a

01:32:42.240 horrible person that all of these other people are horrible people and you don't want anything to do

01:32:45.700 with them everyone else who has already i think woken up to the idea that oh i don't want to listen

01:32:52.760 to any of that mainstream media because they're just puppeting they're being puppeted they are

01:32:56.820 parroting they are doing these these are all talking points these are governmental issued topic

01:33:01.540 talking points whether those journalists know it or not there is a lot of pressure through all of that

01:33:07.060 and everyone else all of us we're listening you know we're watching your show we're watching other

01:33:10.760 people's shows we're we're going to the non-mainstream but i guess it's now becoming mainstream so let's

01:33:15.680 say we're not listening to the to the legacy media we are now tuning into where the truth can be

01:33:21.360 found and you know where the truth can be found because it's a lot of ideas that can be challenged

01:33:25.660 and the fact that they want to censor that they want to get into x and they want to shut down

01:33:30.300 thoughts and and sentiments that are not in alignment what what they're trying to shove down

01:33:37.900 our throats that's where we get into a lot of trouble the pandemic is a perfect example of that

01:33:42.720 there was the narrative that was being pushed on everyone across the world that we were leading by

01:33:48.940 the way but with fauci and everything else the united states in a lot of ways we lead a lot of

01:33:52.860 things and we were saying here's all the things you need to know if you get the vaccination you won't

01:33:57.900 get sick that turned out not to be true if you get the vaccination you won't transmit it to anyone

01:34:02.340 else that turned out not to be true if you get the vaccination you won't get seriously sick that turned

01:34:06.300 out not to be true if you get the vaccination you will not die that all of these things turn out to

01:34:10.400 not be true. And there were scientists and, and doctors who were very early on saying, Hey, wait

01:34:14.880 a minute, you can't say those things. That's not true. Shut down, censored, literally their lives

01:34:19.420 were destroyed. Now, four years later, shocker, it turns out that they were right. And there's

01:34:24.540 no comeuppance and there won't be any comeuppance. There won't be any. And by the way, and I'm not

01:34:27.820 saying like comeuppance, like we should go destroy them. We should still act higher than that and

01:34:32.600 love, but hold people to account. And Bobby Kennedy, I'm telling you, they don't even admit

01:34:36.080 their error. And they're, they're dealing with human lies. They don't even admit the error.

01:34:40.000 They're, they're happy to continue smearing like Dr. J. Bhattacharya as some cook, even though he was

01:34:46.260 one of the leaders on this, he was right all along. Let me ask you this, because I, as I watched this,

01:34:51.320 what's extraordinary among other things about your story and coming out is a lot of, a lot of

01:34:55.420 Hollywood actors who will come out and say, I'm conservative, or I'm even if you're not saying

01:34:58.900 that, but like, I'm ready to vote for a Republican, especially Trump. Um, maybe they're like,

01:35:05.280 not in the peak of their career. All right. Like they're not risking that much in doing it.

01:35:11.620 You are, you're, your career is on fire. It's great. You're a big star and you're getting bigger

01:35:17.540 by the week. So this, did you pause at all? I mean, you say you had the conversation with God

01:35:23.040 about your values and what, how much you were going to stand up for them, but was there the

01:35:26.740 other conversation with your agent who said, this is insanity. You'll never get cast again.

01:35:31.540 I mean, yeah, listen, I, I'm, I'm very intentional about what I do in my life. And I like to think

01:35:39.000 through things and be wise as wise as I can, which does not mean I don't blunder. We all do,

01:35:43.200 you know, uh, we're all human. But, um, when Tulsi invited me to go do that town hall, I knew that

01:35:48.180 would be the beginning of what will be the next chapter of my life. And which would be out, you know,

01:35:54.320 out of this, this closet of, of, of not being able to speak up, even though throughout my career,

01:36:00.660 I, there were moments where I would, or attempted to or whatever, but you know, when you're surrounded

01:36:05.040 by 90%, at least in, I would say to you above the line, the actors, writers, producers, directors,

01:36:10.500 like that's a predominant, and that's where all the power is. That's the predominant, you know, uh,

01:36:16.240 area of, I would say liberal, progressive, you know, Democrats, tons of crew, by the way,

01:36:22.220 and lots of other actors and directors, writers and producers, but the crew within Hollywood

01:36:27.080 and entertainment, there are so many conservatives. There are so many, but nobody can say anything.

01:36:31.160 And I was done. I was done sitting on my hands and I was done biting my tongue. And I talked to

01:36:34.700 my team and I said, I've been invited to do this thing. This will essentially be an endorsement of

01:36:40.500 Donald Trump. I need you guys to know that I'm considering this. And to their credit, all of them

01:36:45.280 said, we will support you in whatever you feel like you need to do. We're not going to tell you not to

01:36:50.380 will tell you that it might make this more difficult for us and for you. Um, so, you know,

01:36:56.080 weigh that as you need to, but, um, but, but we will support you as a human being because they know

01:37:01.100 me and they know my heart and they know that I care. And, and listen, you know, I would argue

01:37:08.240 that while I am absolutely in a position in my life and in my career, where I have a significant

01:37:13.720 more amount to lose than other people that might come out as conservative or voting for Trump or

01:37:20.240 whatever. Um, I'm, I'm, I would still consider myself in the, you know, B plus a minus of, of

01:37:29.540 the, of the stair steps that are celebrity. I'm not a part of, and have never really been a part of

01:37:34.760 all the reindeer games. They didn't invite me to those. I'm not, you know, so I could understand,

01:37:40.180 I can understand somebody else and I'm much, cause there are, there's levels to this, right? So

01:37:44.020 anyway, my point is that, yes, I've gotten to do all these incredible jobs and, but you know,

01:37:48.960 Shazam, the last Shazam didn't perform that well. Harold and the purple crayon didn't perform that

01:37:52.820 well. I'm not trying to say, you know, even though I appreciate the compliment, I'm in a,

01:37:57.180 I'm in a really solid place in my career. I hope I will continue to. And I also, for what it's worth,

01:38:01.440 have already been approached by lots of other people, though they have to remain silent,

01:38:06.140 have come to me and said, I will hire you all day long. Like, don't worry about it. You'll work.

01:38:09.720 So I'm not worried about that. Plus there's so many other things that I want to do. I want,

01:38:12.920 I want music to be more a part of my life. I want podcasting and other things to be more a part of

01:38:16.520 my life because I like being able to do lots of different things and bring joy in lots of different

01:38:21.180 ways. But, um, but like I said, I, you know, I don't, when you feel God's call on your life,

01:38:28.960 maybe there's some courage and there's some bravery, but really there's a lot of peace involved in that.

01:38:34.080 And what is it? And ultimately at the end of the day, I say that in an industry, like,

01:38:39.300 you know, Hollywood and so on, like, what's your, tell us a little bit about your background. How

01:38:42.420 did you, how did God, you know, make his way to you? Well, I grew up in a, you know, uh, like a

01:38:49.760 Christian conservative home. Um, my parents met in church in the seventies and like the hippie Jesus

01:38:55.280 movement. And then had us, me and my two sisters, they got divorced when I was young. We grew up with

01:39:00.400 my mom. My dad was much more, let's say kind of religious liturgic Christian. My mom was much more

01:39:05.420 like spiritual hippie dippy Christian. We never went to church. My mom was, my mom was very, um,

01:39:11.520 anti like authority, uh, uh, for better or for worse. Um, but, but Jesus and spirituality was

01:39:18.380 talked about in my household all the time. My parents would have friends over for, you know,

01:39:21.620 dinner and they'd have wine and they'd be talking about Jesus and, and, and praying for each other and

01:39:26.680 praying, speaking in tongues and like all of that kind of stuff, you know?

01:39:29.660 And, uh, and then when I was 18, I just started pursuing God on my own because I, I, I go into

01:39:35.740 church on my own. I just didn't want to, I don't know. I just think we all have to go and explore

01:39:40.820 that. We need to go down that journey and really figure out things for ourselves and not just

01:39:44.180 because our parents told us so, right. We have to challenge these ideals. And so, you know,

01:39:48.580 I was at 18 and I'm 44 now. So over this many years, I, my journey has been very circuitous and

01:39:56.880 roundabout and all over the place in learning more and more about my creator, learning more and more

01:40:03.180 about, about myself and who my creator has made me to be and stepping into that identity and

01:40:08.360 refining myself and becoming a better me. And that's through loving myself. That's why mental

01:40:12.860 health to me is such a massively important thing. I had a huge breakdown in 2017. I didn't want to

01:40:17.960 live anymore. I didn't know why I was so blessed to have people around me that helped me to,

01:40:22.400 you know, get me on my, keep me on my feet, get me to therapy. I went to this life-saving therapy.

01:40:26.880 I learned that I never loved myself. And I was like, oh my God, I'm 37 years old. And I'm just

01:40:31.040 learning right now that I don't even understand what self-love is. And that led to an incredible

01:40:34.920 journey with God about, and by the way, and also in learning more about God and not just what I think

01:40:41.120 were a lot of, um, fundamental Christian concepts that we are all taught, but I think also burdened with,

01:40:50.560 I don't, you know, there's a lot of my Christian friends, uh, that I disagree with, uh, in what

01:40:56.880 certain scripture means or doesn't mean, you know, but at the end of the day, I will tell you that I

01:41:01.800 absolutely believe that we are all children of God and we are all loved by our creator and we are all

01:41:07.220 called to love everyone, everyone. When Jesus talks about it is, you know, what is it to love your,

01:41:14.880 your, your neighbor? What is it to love those who love you? That's easy. That's nothing.

01:41:18.780 It's to love your enemy and pray for your persecutor. That's love. And I live by that.

01:41:24.640 I live by that. And that's the thing that breaks my heart the most is because

01:41:28.260 we live in such a polarized, hateful world right now. And this is not just, uh, uh, exclusive to

01:41:39.060 the left. There are a lot of people on the right that behave in really sarcastic and snarky and

01:41:44.760 horrible ways. And, and I, and I don't think that's helping anything. I don't think you're

01:41:48.640 helping bring people over to, if you believe you're fighting for the light and for the right,

01:41:53.280 then fight for it and don't be using tactics of darkness, you know? And man, I feel it. I feel

01:41:59.200 the darkness come at me. I step up and I see, and I, and I, in my life, I made it very clear

01:42:03.580 for all of you out there thinking, how could you say you're a Christian or you're a believer or you

01:42:08.480 care about mental health? How could you support this guy? And I'm like, y'all,

01:42:12.300 you are trying to boil it down into ways that literally just don't make any sense or not

01:42:16.820 logical to what we're all looking at right now. Do I want the, everybody wants the perfect

01:42:22.680 candidate. Everybody wants the candidate that represents everything they believe in. Oh my

01:42:27.000 God, wouldn't it be amazing if we could vote for a candidate that represented every single thing that

01:42:31.920 we believe in and that we stand for, that'd be amazing. But we don't have that. We have two,

01:42:36.040 two candidates. And of those two, only one of them, I believe is actually not in the pocket

01:42:42.020 of the corruption, right? So it's that simple. It doesn't mean that you can't be someone who

01:42:48.320 disagrees with a lot of what Trump says and does, which I do. It doesn't mean that you can't want

01:42:52.300 him to do better. I do want him to do better, but I know that the team around him is going to be one

01:42:57.980 that will actually collectively fight for more of what will heal this country and less of what will

01:43:04.680 break it more. And my faith plays a big part in being able to tune into that, you know? Um,

01:43:13.140 and that's not to say that there are people on the left that, that good. I also think like a lot of

01:43:17.760 the people in your industry where you live, they're suffering from, you know, truly this false image

01:43:24.640 that the media creates of Trump. Some of the controversies are real and he does say the things,

01:43:29.060 but so many of them are truly fake news that he's been, he's blamed for saying something he didn't

01:43:35.760 say. And then it becomes a narrative and good, good hearted, well-meaning people believe it because

01:43:40.980 that's what they've been told by news sources. They used to be able to trust. And then Bob's your

01:43:45.140 uncle. Zachary, we have to go because the show is going to end, but could you, I would love to have

01:43:49.960 you back. Let's, let's do a longer show and talk. I would love to. I would love to. Yes. Listen,

01:43:54.640 I'll, I'll be, uh, I'll be back stateside. I'm currently in Eastern Europe making this movie

01:43:58.720 and very grateful to be working still, but I'll be back in the States in December. So maybe we'll

01:44:03.400 circle up post to the election and we'll talk more. You're on. Thank you so much. We're really

01:44:08.580 loving you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Wow. What a guy. That's truly a courageous,

01:44:14.640 courageous move in today's day and age, what he did. Uh, tomorrow we will be back with Glenn Beck.

01:44:20.240 Don't miss that.

01:44:24.640 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - October 28, 2024

Trump's Fascinating Rogan Appearance, Michelle Obama's Shame Tactics, and Why Actor Zachary Levi Endorsed Trump ｜ Ep. 928

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