The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui ｜ Ep. 1019

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.040 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.440 We witnessed a norm-breaking presidential address to Congress last night,

00:00:20.040 but not for the reasons the corporate media will tell you.

00:00:23.200 President Donald Trump gave a speech that was quintessential Trump,

00:00:26.820 full of surprises and performance and excitement and in a dynamic way that actually electrified

00:00:34.640 the audience in front of him. Words no one has ever spoken before about an address to Congress

00:00:40.820 in this setting. It's basically a State of the Union, but they call it just a joint address

00:00:45.460 to Congress because it's his first year in office. And the presumption is you won't have much to talk

00:00:51.200 about because you've only been in office six weeks. Not this president, not this night.

00:00:57.300 Obviously, Donald Trump knows good TV and how to deliver it. The public largely responding

00:01:02.100 very favorably to the speech and not just Republicans. But the story was very different

00:01:07.560 on the other side of the aisle with Democratic lawmakers refusing to clap or stand multiple

00:01:14.320 times throughout the night for all sorts of very moving, personal, beautiful moments

00:01:20.480 that typically would see bipartisan support. I mean, there was one that even brought Canadian

00:01:24.640 Debbie to tears and she is a hard hearted news producer. I mean, you don't make Canadian Debbie 0.91

00:01:31.320 cry. I was like, I've rarely seen it. Even she had some tears. Then there was the one cane

00:01:37.500 waving Democratic congressman who literally got escorted out of the chamber early on in the speech.

00:01:43.600 He wanted to make a spectacle of himself and he did. Where were the cries of horror from the Democrats

00:01:49.960 in response to that breach of decorum like we saw with old Joe, what's his name, a couple of years

00:01:56.340 ago who yelled out, you lie to Barack Obama. And then after the speech was over, you will not believe,

00:02:04.060 I mean, maybe you will, but I think it's still shocking what one MSNBC host had to say in particular

00:02:10.000 about that sweet 13 year old cancer surviving boy. We're going to get into it now, starting with

00:02:16.820 Rich Lowry, editor of National Review. Aren't you tired of the corporate media prioritizing certain

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00:03:20.860 your ability to think critically about the news. Rich, I thought it was a great speech. I prepared for

00:03:29.700 utter boredom because that's what these things typically deliver. I, even with Trump, I just figured it's

00:03:36.320 going to be kind of a bore. His past state of the unions have not been anywhere near this entertaining.

00:03:41.840 But last night he kept everything tight. He didn't linger on any point too long. He didn't get too deep

00:03:48.040 into policy to where your eyes glazed over. He was just hitting his points. He went off script in a way

00:03:53.720 that was funny, endearing. I know the left didn't like it, but everybody laughed at the Pocahontas remark 0.87

00:04:00.580 on Elizabeth Warren. They're just very funny asides and his delivery. I was talking about this

00:04:05.960 with Doug this morning. If I delivered the same things Trump delivered last night, people might

00:04:11.860 be mildly bemused and say, okay, it's a good line. But the way Trump delivers these things really has

00:04:18.060 you laughing out loud. He's so funny. And when he unleashes it, you know, in the right setting,

00:04:23.420 it's endearing and it totally works. And I think it's why in part, the speech was so well received

00:04:29.840 CBS, a YouGov survey of 1200 adults, though this is more heavily weighted toward Republicans, 51%

00:04:35.920 Republicans, 27% independents, 20% Dems, but showing 76% approve of the speech. Um, time spent on issues

00:04:43.940 you care about 63% say a lot speech made you feel hopeful 68%. And then even CNN with a survey,

00:04:51.940 um, which does not appear to have that sort of partisan weighting that, uh, 69% had either very

00:04:59.660 or somewhat positive reaction to the speech. Your thoughts. Yeah. I don't, I think for the ordinary

00:05:05.260 viewer that there's nothing you heard last night that you necessarily disagree with and it may be

00:05:10.180 tariffs or some, some things, but largely he emphasized things that are popular. And the headline of that

00:05:14.580 speech, the headline, the first two months is Trump 2.0, the sequel, more Trump than ever. So it

00:05:21.840 was, it was longer, it was more combative in some ways, more entertaining. And, and, uh, it's,

00:05:29.240 these aren't really speeches so much their performances, right? So George W. Bush used to

00:05:34.000 give speeches. He had the speech writers, Mike Gerson, the late Mike Gerson, my friend, Matt

00:05:38.560 Scully, right? These eloquent speeches that he deliver. You can't do that with Trump. It has to be

00:05:44.080 in his words and it, and his way of speaking, which it is. How many times did he say like, like,

00:05:49.280 we've never seen before, right? No speech writer sits down and writes like we've never seen before.

00:05:53.800 And the point you were just making a minute ago is as apt, you know, a comedian, a really good

00:05:58.600 comedian, you can say his lines as an ordinary person and they're not funny, right? Or they're

00:06:02.680 not as funny. And 80% of the things Trump said last night, they were entertaining. You could say

00:06:07.360 them. I could say them. Someone else could say them. They wouldn't be funny because they're Trump

00:06:10.720 because it's uniquely Trump. So I don't like state of the union addresses. I'd prefer a state of the

00:06:15.880 union to be a 20 minute eloquent thematic speech, but that speech does not exist. No one's ever given

00:06:21.740 that state of the union. That's not what Trump did last night, but it works for him. Now it's,

00:06:26.760 it's not hugely important by, by Saturday, you know, two or three other major, major news stories

00:06:31.800 will have happened, but it was a good night for him. Big time. Uh, here is one of those moments where

00:06:36.660 he was talking about some of the Doge discoveries on waste, fraud, and abuse, uh, SOT 7.

00:06:41.920 Just listen to some of the appalling waste we have already identified. $22 billion from HHS to provide

00:06:54.200 free housing and cars for illegal aliens. $45 million for diversity, equity, and inclusion

00:07:02.000 scholarships in Burma. $40 million to improve the social and economic inclusion of sedentary

00:07:10.440 migrants. Nobody knows what that is. $8 million to promote LGBTQI plus in the African nation of Lesotho,

00:07:24.020 which nobody has ever heard of. That's it right there. Yeah. Just the way it says LBQIA plus is funny, right? 0.97

00:07:36.120 And some of, there was a great meme last night of, of Al Green, you know, waving, waving his cane. And the caption

00:07:41.880 was, they promised me trans mice. Cause one of the items he of course mentioned was his experiment to try to create

00:07:48.140 trans mice. I don't know whether they're successful or not. Probably if they were in the San Francisco

00:07:52.660 school district, those mice, they would be, uh, certainly be trans, but, but that, that was 1.00

00:07:57.260 hilarious. People hate that stuff. And it's memorable as well. It's something if people are listening at 0.94

00:08:02.280 the bar, they'll, they'll take away and remember the next day. Exactly. Whether the Democrats found

00:08:07.400 it funny or not, the average American sitting at home laughed at that. There's just no question there.

00:08:12.200 No one who doesn't have TDS didn't get a chuckle out of that, right? Like it's, he's exactly right.

00:08:18.940 None of us has ever, has ever heard of that place, uh, or whatever it was called. Yeah.

00:08:24.560 Lesotho, although John Podores was tweeting out, he goes, I I've heard it. Yeah, exactly. But it's

00:08:31.680 just John and whoever enacted that, uh, policy on the left. Okay. So let's talk about the Democrat

00:08:37.340 response up for a minute and then we'll go back to Trump. But the, the little signs, uh, uh, Simone

00:08:44.680 Sanders tweeted out and I totally agreed. They were giving off bingo vibes. Like this was their 1.00

00:08:49.640 big resistance. These tiny little signs, which look like, you know, you were at an auction, like

00:08:54.480 I'll take Lesotho for $10. Um, that read like Musk lies or false, like, Whoa, Whoa, they're throwing

00:09:06.880 down Musk steals. Okay. I mean, what war criminal? Oh, well that's going to turn the hearts and minds.

00:09:12.820 You know, like what did you make of the resistance with that? And some people wearing the pink in

00:09:17.620 honor of the, the P hats they wore back in 2016, this was their big F you. 0.99

00:09:23.600 Yeah, that was pathetic. So either just sit there and be civil. And by the way, 0.99

00:09:28.100 clap at the nice moments. There's no reason for any American not to clap when, when DJ has this,

00:09:33.620 this, uh, amazing experience of instantly be made an honorary secret service member,

00:09:38.740 or just leave in mass and just do it. I don't, I think that'd be bad. I don't think it'd play well

00:09:43.680 for them, but they got this in between place. It was just pathetic. And it just advertised their 0.99

00:09:48.540 cluelessness and their powerlessness. So, and Trump, obviously he did this a lot in the first term

00:09:54.480 as well, but last night it was really explicit. I I'm going to call you out for not applauding

00:09:59.720 anything I do. And then I'm going to have these wonderful people in the, uh, in the, the,

00:10:04.520 the balcony who are, are, you know, cancer survivors or victims of parents and loved ones

00:10:11.180 of victims of terrible crimes, or even announced that we got the guy who blew up our 13 service

00:10:16.360 members at the Abbey gate. And I dare you not to, not to clap. And they didn't, they took the dare,

00:10:23.060 right? So, you know, they, they look grim. They're checking their phones, just clap politely. You're not

00:10:29.000 going to lose anything, but he, he got the reaction, exactly the reaction he wanted.

00:10:33.380 Just show up looking normal and give it, give this mattering of applause on the things that are

00:10:41.820 obviously going to be supported by the people watching at home and sit there politely, not doing

00:10:47.360 anything on the things you disagree with. It's, it's very easy. It's not hard not to make yourself

00:10:52.400 look like an absolute moron. I really do wonder like what man, truly what man, Rich would say, 1.00

00:10:59.360 I'll take one of the little signs. Could I have one of those little popsicle sticks so I can hold

00:11:03.800 up false? Like I, it's just so undignified and unmanly. There's something so teenage girl about 1.00

00:11:10.880 it, you know, like snaps, it's the opposite of snaps. I'm embarrassed for them. And then with the

00:11:16.800 pink outfits and then with the white outfits and then some with the t-shirts, look, look at that.

00:11:23.620 There are men there. I don't know why I see a distinction between the men and the women doing 0.98

00:11:26.920 this, but it's, there's something kind of feminine about it. I just feel like it's so emasculating. 0.57

00:11:32.060 Yeah, totally. And they just believe, and they have believed for a long time that there's some

00:11:37.020 way to delegitimize Trump such that he'll go away, you know, in the media and MSNBC, they had this

00:11:43.180 constant debate whether they're going to platform him, platform him and show his speeches live.

00:11:48.200 Like that was going to make a difference one way or the other, whether it was on MSNBC.

00:11:51.580 And they seem to think that holding up their little auction paddles somehow is a gesture

00:11:56.740 that's going to be meaningful to someone. And there, there is a famous intellectual

00:12:01.180 line of thrilling in the 1950s had this line about conservatism at the time, which wasn't

00:12:05.560 in a great state, that conservatism is just a series of irritable mental gestures. And that's

00:12:11.100 what progressive is at the moment. Maybe not mental, maybe that's giving them too much

00:12:14.260 or mental, maybe in the psychological sense, but what all they have at the moment is irritable

00:12:18.660 gestures. And that's what the paddles were. Yeah. They have irritable gesture, uh,

00:12:24.040 syndrome. Yeah. Feels like there should be an SNL skit on the medicine that addresses

00:12:30.040 irritable gesture syndrome. I don't know what it is. I think it's, it's definitely not more

00:12:34.440 Trump winning. That seems to aggravate it greatly. Um, Trump knew this was coming,

00:12:38.660 that they weren't going to root for him, even on the, the gimmies. It's like, I, I don't understand

00:12:43.500 why, I guess they really have no meaningful leader, but like, why didn't some leaders sit down 1.00

00:12:46.800 with them beforehand and, and say, just don't project asshole. Okay. That's what we want to 1.00

00:12:51.520 avoid. We want to be like the strong, sober, but likable ones in the room. They forget about

00:12:58.080 likability, how important it is. So we'll get to, um, the Congressman standing up and harassing him,

00:13:03.500 the weirdness with the signs and the paddles and the pink outfits, whatever. Um, but Trump set them up

00:13:09.900 for today's narrative in a way by calling out the fact that he knew they wouldn't clap or stand

00:13:15.000 for anything, no matter how sympathetic the cause early on in the speech. Here's a bit of that and

00:13:20.280 stop for. This is my fifth such speech to Congress. And once again, I look at the Democrats in front of

00:13:30.400 me and I realized there is absolutely nothing I can say to make them happy or to make them stand or

00:13:38.160 smile or applaud. Nothing I can do. Five, five times I've been up here. It's very sad. And it just

00:13:47.080 shouldn't be this way so Democrats sitting before me for just this one night. Why not join us in

00:14:12.560 celebrating so many incredible wins for America for the good of our nation? Let's work together and

00:14:20.380 let's truly make America great again. Cut away to Nancy Pelosi there by the pool feed, which I mean, 1.00

00:14:34.040 she, she looked terrible all night. There was, there was such unflattering, nasty faced screen grabs of her.

00:14:41.640 Somebody grabbed one and put it out and said, caption this. And Michael Knowles wrote, um, I'll get you my

00:14:47.000 pretty and your little doge too, which pretty much encapsulated how you felt when you looked at her

00:14:52.220 like, Oh, but he was right to set them up because they then played right into his hand.

00:14:57.620 Yeah. And he, he told them what he was doing, right? He was banking on them, not reacting to even things that

00:15:03.580 are unquestionably good or, or moving or endearing. And, and they just, they couldn't bring themselves to do it

00:15:09.640 because it's Trump. It's literally Trump saying it, right? It's Trump derangement syndrome for

00:15:13.980 everyone to see on live TV and, and mass, right? If anyone else said, here's this adorable kid who's

00:15:21.280 gone through this horrific illness in a, a police outfit being lifted by his father. So, so people can

00:15:28.380 see him, they all would have stood and applaud for the kid, but nothing to do with Trump for the kid.

00:15:33.220 And they couldn't bring themselves to do it because it's Trump. Trump said it.

00:15:37.360 Let's watch a little bit of that. So, um, Trump brings this sweet young boy, 13 years old into

00:15:43.100 the chamber and his dream is to become law enforcement and he's survived brain cancer and

00:15:48.100 he's there with his dad and Trump calls attention to the story. And there were, this was much better.

00:15:52.440 Like I have to say, there was something about these stories last night. Tell me if you feel the same,

00:15:56.560 Rich, they always bring somebody, you know, every president who does this brings a few people into the

00:16:01.300 chamber so they can tell their personal story. And sometimes it's a heart, you know, breaker. Um,

00:16:06.200 some, sometimes it's inspirational. I don't remember actually really feeling so moved repeatedly,

00:16:12.540 you know, by some like, wow. And I mentioned Canadian Debbie, I'm softer than she is. She is 0.52

00:16:17.640 tough. She's Holly Hunter and broadcast news. If she's shedding a tear, you've done something right.

00:16:21.540 And, um, we were both in tears a couple of times last night. I really felt like they did a very,

00:16:26.840 very good job in like the art of the speech, like taking us on a bit of an emotional journey,

00:16:32.760 Trump with the laughs, but also those sentimental moments, which were crafted by his team, obviously

00:16:38.160 were really good. And the speech writing around their stories, really good. Let's just start with,

00:16:44.880 um, since we're on the subject of little DJ, let's, let's watch that moment.

00:16:48.820 In 2018, DJ was diagnosed with brain cancer. The doctors gave him five months at most to live.

00:16:59.360 That was more than six years ago.

00:17:04.200 Since that time, DJ and his dad have been on a quest to make his dream come true. And DJ has been sworn in

00:17:12.540 as an honorary law enforcement officer, actually a number of times. Peace. The police love him. The

00:17:20.320 police departments love him. And tonight, DJ, we're going to do you the biggest honor of them all.

00:17:26.320 I am asking our new secret service director, Sean Curran, to officially make you an agent of the

00:17:34.340 United States secret service.

00:17:36.760 Oh, he looks so happy. His dad lifts him up.

00:17:54.440 The head of the secret service giving him a badge.

00:17:56.640 Oh, and he hugs him. The head of the secret service hugging DJ. Full arms are on the neck.

00:18:18.320 For chanting, DJ.

00:18:21.760 Thank you, DJ.

00:18:22.820 Thank you, DJ.

00:18:22.880 I mean, wow. And I'll just finish it off, Rich, by showing you the Democrat reaction. So here's

00:18:32.360 the video. You can see the Republicans in the front clapping and you can see the Democrats sitting.

00:18:37.180 See them in the back? They're all sitting. They couldn't get to their feet for that moment.

00:18:44.480 They've, they've lost their way. That's, there's something deeply wrong with somebody who cannot 0.99

00:18:51.220 stand for that.

00:18:52.840 Yeah. One of my favorite parts of that moment. You don't know, but when DJ is talking to the head

00:18:57.600 of the secret service right afterwards, he imagines it. So, so what do I get to do now?

00:19:01.100 What are my responsibilities? How do I, how do I get on the job? But this is a tradition that goes

00:19:06.860 back. I think Reagan was the first to do it. And there was a terrible air Florida crash and, uh,

00:19:12.900 at, uh, Washington national airport. It wasn't Reagan then of course. And there, there's a guy who I think

00:19:18.660 might've been, uh, um, off duty firemen or just a bystander who swam out of the icy Potomac river

00:19:23.920 and save someone. And Reagan had that person in the balcony to recognize his heroism and sacrifice

00:19:29.000 save, save this person. So everyone's done this. Trump's taken it to a different level though,

00:19:33.460 because things ha it's not just recognizing someone to make a point or to honor their answer. He makes

00:19:39.080 something happen with Limbaugh, right? He awarded the medal of freedom right there, you know, has a

00:19:43.920 secret, head of secret service come down. So things are happening. So it just goes to,

00:19:47.860 he's, he's a showman, right? And he, he envisions this as a show. And to quote another John

00:19:54.500 Podore's tweet from last night, you know, it's like, it's, it's a version of Oprah. You almost

00:19:58.680 think Trump at some point is going to ask every member of Congress to look under their, their seat

00:20:02.840 there and find their, their gift. Right. So they can go out happy. At least Republicans would go out

00:20:06.900 happy. Democrats would reject the car. They got a free car, uh, last night, just on, on principle.

00:20:12.340 It's true. Even if he was, if he were saying it's for your constituents, each of your

00:20:16.500 constituents is getting one. No, no, it's a no. Exactly. All right. So now we will go to the

00:20:20.640 moment that made heart of steel, Debbie Murphy cry. I'm giving her a hard time. She's actually a

00:20:26.240 lovely person, but it takes a lot for hard news people to actually shed a tear. It does. Cause

00:20:30.820 we're just in this business where we use gallows humor and we cover the darkest events of our times

00:20:35.500 every day for years. She's been with me since I launched my first show in 2007. And this was it.

00:20:40.880 It had to do with, um, Jocelyn Nungare. This was a little girl who was 12 years old, who went out to

00:20:47.980 the seven 11 and got attacked by two illegals, uh, from Venezuela. And they sexually assaulted her, 0.92

00:20:57.620 tortured her and threw her off a bridge. And, um, her mother was there. This is one of the, 0.98

00:21:02.940 this is one of the reasons I personally voted for Donald Trump and ran to the voting booth booth to do

00:21:09.480 it. I was literally thinking of Jocelyn Nungare. I didn't go to a voting booth. I figured it out,

00:21:15.200 failed it out by mail. But my point is simply that's who was on my mind. This girl's story was

00:21:19.520 so harrowing and her poor mother, so distraught. And, and there was no reason for it. There was no

00:21:25.640 reason for it. Joe Biden opened the Southern border and killers came across and the Democrats know it's

00:21:31.520 true. It was done intentionally. And, um, her mother was there last night and the, and president Trump

00:21:38.240 announced an extraordinary thing to remember Jocelyn in Sot 12. Here it is.

00:21:46.280 Alexis, I promised that we would always remember your daughter, your magnificent daughter. And

00:21:52.900 earlier tonight, I signed an order keeping my word to you. One thing I have learned about Jocelyn is that

00:22:01.680 she loved animals so much she loved nature. Across Galveston Bay from where Jocelyn lived in Houston,

00:22:09.100 you'll find a magnificent national wildlife refuge, a pristine, peaceful 34,000 acre sanctuary for all

00:22:20.760 of God's creatures on the edge of the Gulf of America. Alexis, moments ago, I formally renamed that

00:22:29.280 refuge in loving memory of your beautiful daughter, Jocelyn. So Mr. Vice President,

00:22:37.540 if you would, may I have the order?

00:22:51.800 You can see she's trying not to cry, Rich. And he, you know, to your point about the showmanship,

00:22:58.740 right there, there's showmanship going on there, but there's true emotion too. I mean, you,

00:23:04.340 is something wrong with you again, if you, if you don't feel it. And yet again, here is the Democrat

00:23:10.620 reaction to that moment. Like how do they not stand? How is not everyone on the left side of

00:23:18.960 the chamber standing and clapping for that? Now this one, there's real ideological component.

00:23:25.240 It's not just Trump derangement the way it is with DJ. They hate talking about victims of illegal

00:23:31.980 Democrats. They just don't, don't want to hear about it. They won't do it. The only time I can

00:23:36.840 remember any Democrat ever addressing it basically is Biden was heckled into saying Laken Riley's name

00:23:43.760 incorrectly in a state of the union. And Kamala Harris asked by Brett Baer about it, grudgingly

00:23:50.840 says, you know, this is terrible. They just, they, they just can't, it doesn't compute for them.

00:23:54.880 They, they think it's inherently hateful to, to point out that this, this happens. All crimes are

00:24:00.480 terrible, obviously, but as an extra layer, if it's someone who just shouldn't, shouldn't have

00:24:04.480 been here and they don't, they don't get that, they won't admit it. And the best line for Trump

00:24:09.020 the whole night, obviously was that we didn't need a new immigration policy. We just need a new

00:24:12.560 president, which has been absolutely true. He obviously over promises sometimes and over

00:24:17.660 promises on how quickly he can do things, but this is something he fixed instantly. Just one,

00:24:23.700 just the deterrent effect of Donald Trump being president again, convinces a lot of people,

00:24:27.000 well, maybe we should wait and see what happens to, they just ended catch and release. Now

00:24:31.080 they're more, they need more resources. They, they, there's more policies they need. They need

00:24:35.680 some help from Congress, but they, they, he's, he's just turned off the faucet almost instantly.

00:24:40.720 So there's less strain on cities. You have Roosevelt hotel, which has been a housing illegal immigrants 1.00

00:24:46.840 closing down for that purpose. You're going to have less criminals just by sheer math, right?

00:24:53.020 Fewer illegal immigrants coming in, the fewer illegal immigrant criminals you're going to have. And he 1.00

00:24:57.320 did that instantly. And Joe Biden could have stopped this from starting in the first place,

00:25:02.000 but not reversing all the Trump stuff or done it himself, but he didn't want to. And they don't

00:25:07.700 want to be faced with the consequences of what was a deliberate failure. Here's that line in South 11.

00:25:13.700 The media and our friends in the Democrat party kept saying we needed new legislation. We must have

00:25:24.020 legislation to secure the border. But it turned out that all we really needed was a new president.

00:25:30.820 And, and what we're seeing still is that the support for Trump's policies when it comes to

00:25:47.300 immigration remain sky high. I mean, even the, just those two polls that I mentioned at the top,

00:25:53.860 um, let's see Trump's immigration and border plan. How do you feel about it? 77% like only 23%

00:26:02.740 say they dislike it. I mean, and then there, then the, from the CNN survey, uh, let's see,

00:26:08.700 they go on roughly six in 10 viewers said, um, they approved of Trump's handling of the presidency.

00:26:15.700 And they point out, this is the CNN survey. Trump scored his highest marks of the night

00:26:20.440 for his policies on immigration. 76% of speech watchers said his proposed policies on this issue

00:26:27.200 would take America in the right direction. And then CNN trying to make it sound like

00:26:32.200 it's a much different story when it comes to his other policies. They say compared with closer to

00:26:38.920 six in 10 who feel positive about his proposals to change how the government works, just 63% favor that

00:26:46.000 rich and his proposed policies on the economy. Just 62% favor that. Okay. Like those are amazing

00:26:52.320 numbers for any presidential policy in a country that's as divided as ours is, but 76% on his

00:26:59.580 immigration plans, get up and clap for what he did for Jocelyn Nungare. Yeah. And I was going to say

00:27:08.340 also get up and clap for the fact that the borders closed, right? They all say they want to address

00:27:13.960 illegal immigration, but they really don't, right? They should be happy that this is, is happened, 0.99

00:27:19.060 but they're not. Cause if, if they wanted this to happen, Biden would have done it.

00:27:25.120 Yeah. So here is, uh, Alexis Nungare, Jocelyn's mom who went on Hannity after the speech. 1.00

00:27:33.860 Uh, it was truly an honor, a very surreal feeling to be sitting in that area to,

00:27:42.680 remember the life that Jocelyn had. Um, I found it very cowardly that a lot of the Democrats

00:27:50.460 didn't stand, didn't clap, didn't do anything to support anything that Donald Trump is trying

00:27:57.320 to do as president to make this country better. It was very shameful.

00:28:02.780 I don't, to me, that was just so powerful, you know, equally to DJ, a 13 year old cancer stricken

00:28:08.720 boy, because I feel like every mother sitting at home understands and father instinctually that

00:28:15.500 woman's pain and the horror that she's been through as a result of this open border. 0.99

00:28:21.240 And all she's saying is maybe acknowledge my daughter, acknowledge what happened to her,

00:28:27.460 forget what Trump has done to close the border. But like, where is the humanity when it comes to my

00:28:31.780 dead 12 year old? I just, I don't think women respond positively to any sort of F you to some, 1.00

00:28:39.880 that looks like an F you to her. I don't, I don't think most men will either. I just think as a matter

00:28:44.260 of politics, rich, obviously humanity, yes, you should be on your feet, check clapping. But as a

00:28:48.780 matter of politics, like I, obviously they came up with a plan, just not, not to clap and not to stand

00:28:54.300 for anything. But why are, how could they be so foolhardy as opposed to like, if there's a moment

00:28:59.880 that's genuinely heartfelt, that me, that moves you, of course, show your humanity.

00:29:05.760 Again, they think there's something wrong with, with doing this. They think it's, it's hateful

00:29:11.320 and xenophobic to highlight these cases for ordinary people. These cases obviously are a gut punch made

00:29:18.460 much worse by the fact that the, the horrible criminals who perpetrated these crimes shouldn't

00:29:23.860 have been here. So saying, look, this terrible thing happened and I'm going to stop it by stopping

00:29:29.020 these people to come in, isn't as 70 or 80% issue. And it's a huge reason that Joe Biden lost. I mean,

00:29:36.420 Joe Biden, if it hadn't been for the F F, um, Afghan pullout, if it hadn't been for inflation, hadn't been

00:29:42.500 for the border, he wouldn't have lost. Well, you throw an age there, but you, Kamala Harris probably

00:29:47.460 would have won one. These are huge issues. And Trump, you know, it's something he highlighted

00:29:53.040 coming down that escalator in, in 2015 when it seemed very extreme, what he was saying. It seemed

00:29:59.140 as just Steve Miller and Steve Bannon, they believe that no one else did. It couldn't sell. It would

00:30:05.620 alienate Hispanics. And here we go where he's, he's actually implementing it or re-implementing it 0.79

00:30:11.080 from what he had figured out the first time around. And it's hugely popular. That's just been a sea

00:30:16.120 change in American politics. It's amazing to see here is that MSNBC reaction that I teased at the

00:30:23.100 top of the show. And this was in response to little DJ. And honestly, it's like, I don't know

00:30:29.120 what's happened to this person. She used to be a Republican. She was the person who shepherded

00:30:33.380 chief justice, John Roberts through his confirmation process. It's Nicole Wallace, who now I think her next

00:30:40.800 job will be with the Lincoln project. Here was her reaction to sweet 13 year old DJ.

00:30:47.760 It was a genuinely beautiful moment. Beauty of that child is the tragedy of the Trump presidency

00:30:53.900 because he's, we don't know how he survived pediatric cancer, but it's likely he benefited

00:30:59.520 from some sort of cancer research. And it is a fact that Trump has slashed cancer research. I hope he

00:31:06.000 lives the life he wants to live. He wants to be a cop. He knows what he wants to do. And maybe when

00:31:11.640 you have childhood cancer, that crystallizes for you. And I hope he has a long life as a law

00:31:17.380 enforcement officer. But I hope he never has to defend the United States Capitol against Donald

00:31:21.980 Trump supporters. And if he does, I hope he isn't one of the six who loses his life to suicide.

00:31:27.960 And I hope he isn't one who has to testify against the people who carried out acts of seditious

00:31:32.300 conspiracy and then live to see Donald Trump. Pardon those people.

00:31:37.460 Oh my God. I, that is jaw dropping. We went back and looked to see what the reaction on set was to

00:31:44.780 her and even her fellow panelists from Jen Psaki to Rachel Maddow. You could see Jen Psaki literally

00:31:51.260 leaning away from her. And even Rachel Maddow without commenting on that, just moved away,

00:31:56.960 bridged away to another topic. When you've gone too far for Psaki and Maddow,

00:32:01.200 you've gone too far, period. Can you believe that?

00:32:05.300 It's a psychological malady. It's literally sick. I mean, you'd look at that from a rational

00:32:12.360 perspective. You're like, okay, that must be a deep fake of what Nicole Wallace would say

00:32:17.180 in such a circumstance. Say it's a lovely moment. Say the kid's a hero. His dad's a hero. We wish him

00:32:24.120 the best. And yes, we, we want, we want research to get cures and therapies to, to, to make kids in

00:32:33.060 such circumstances long lives as possible and move on. Right. To connect it to January 6th. How do you

00:32:39.040 even, how does that even come into your mind? A cancer survivor, a kid in a police uniform? That's

00:32:46.700 the first thing you think of. It's, it's mind boggling. It's true. And she saw the same thing

00:32:52.120 we saw where he, his eyes got all big when president Trump said he was going to be made an

00:32:56.620 honorary secret service. He was so excited. The hug, he threw his arms around the secret service

00:33:02.760 director. It was a sincere embrace. And that's where she went. Like, I hope he doesn't die on

00:33:09.480 President Trump's Capitol Hill. Don't litigate the kid. There are other things that you can

00:33:13.440 object to that Trump said if you're Nicole Wallace. Lots of them, in fact, but not, not DJ,

00:33:18.180 not DJ. It's, it's such a strange syndrome. TDS is a very strange syndrome. It really should be in

00:33:24.860 the DSM five. And it's, it's very unfortunate because once afflicted, you really cannot get out

00:33:30.200 from under it. It's like, um, what is it? Um, personality disorder. If you have a personality

00:33:35.020 disorder, it's almost impossible to get out of it. Maybe it is impossible. Um, and there,

00:33:39.460 a lot of my mom's in the psychiatric field. I mean, she, now she's retired, but she was telling

00:33:43.380 me a lot of psychiatrists just won't even try to treat that same thing with like sociopaths.

00:33:48.020 There's really no curing you of sociopathy. There's no curing you of TDS. Once you get it,

00:33:54.380 it's a, it's a lifelong affliction and it really does warp the way you see everything around you. 1.00

00:34:00.440 You, you see the pot of gold and to you, it looks like crap. You know, you see a wonderful 0.82

00:34:06.380 event for a child. And instead you see only doom and gloom and darkness. If it has anything to do

00:34:12.960 with the orange man. And I, it's strange how it's like, it's broken for the rest of the country.

00:34:18.200 Like the, they never really had it. And so now they look at these people and they,

00:34:24.300 they're not watching them. You know, we were talking about this yesterday, Rich. Sometimes

00:34:27.520 when you're in the opposition, your numbers go up at Fox news. Our numbers always went up when we

00:34:31.740 were in the so-called opposition. It was Democrat president under Barack Obama, et cetera.

00:34:36.080 Their numbers are not going up under MSNBC, uh, post-election. They're still withering on the

00:34:41.160 vine. The numbers are horrid. And I really think it's because of this, like Trump's policies were

00:34:46.860 not, yes, tariffs are controversial, right? But like everything else he talked about was really not

00:34:52.940 even controversial. And the celebration of these suffering Americans and giving them a gift

00:34:57.920 is a feel good moment that we can all get behind. And the dour, TDS afflicted anchors 0.99

00:35:04.480 crapping all over the child's joy is something very evil.

00:35:11.220 Yeah. What we're talking about in capsule here is the debate over who's normal, right? And for them,

00:35:16.100 it's just a theological matter that the Trump is, is not normal. And look, he's unusual in a lot of

00:35:20.860 ways. And in some respects that we've talked about some, some good, some bad, it's an unusual

00:35:25.400 state of the union or address a joint session of Congress. But if you just look at the reaction

00:35:30.300 to DJ, a president hailing this, this kid, a nice gesture for this kid, everyone's standing up,

00:35:37.280 applauding, wiping tears from the eyes. That's normal. Sitting grim faced and not reacting to

00:35:44.120 this story or connecting it to January 6th is not normal. And this obviously is a reason why

00:35:50.400 Trump won the elections. The reason why he's thrived, at least in relative Trump terms so far

00:35:56.180 politically is because he's occupied the, the normal ground in American politics and they're

00:36:02.260 spun off into outer space somewhere. I mean, and not to mention, you know, seditious conspiracy

00:36:07.780 and the mentioning of six cops who died by suicide. You know how many cop, first of all, being a police

00:36:14.020 officer is extremely stressful, especially these days, thanks to her side's soft on crime policies

00:36:20.420 and what's happening to cops on the street. And to attribute, you know, post J6 suicides to Donald

00:36:28.440 Trump, you know how many suicides there were from cops after the BLM riots? No, we don't because nobody

00:36:33.800 took, kept track of that. But we know that no one cares, right? Cops were severely injured during

00:36:38.660 those riots. Or what about Daniel Dorn, uh, who was, or David Dorn, who was killed in one of the BLM

00:36:44.860 riots. I don't, what about him? Her mind just goes to J6. They're obsessed with J6. It's just whatever.

00:36:51.880 I can't save them. It's, it's a very interesting, you know, psychological illness. I hope she gets the

00:36:57.000 help she so desperately needs. Um, there was one other controversial subject though. The way Trump got

00:37:03.100 in and out of it was clever and it was Ukraine, you know, he, he styles it in a way that's tough

00:37:09.100 to disagree with. Like he wants the killing to stop. It's like, well, who, yes, that you should

00:37:14.480 clap for that. Like, that's also one of those like, yes, but of course it's become a very hot button

00:37:19.640 issue because people think he's pressuring Zelensky too much and not Putin enough and so on. Um, well,

00:37:25.000 this is one of the more notice notable moments of the night where Trump was trying to make these

00:37:29.640 points and the Democrats, they, they, they clapped. I can't remember what the line was.

00:37:38.120 Well, I'll just play the stop. This is where he went out after Elizabeth Warren. And it was one of

00:37:41.640 the few times where they were clapping the Dems 16. The United States has sent hundreds of billions

00:37:48.340 of dollars to support Ukraine's defense with no security. There it is. It was the money that we've

00:37:57.280 sent. Do you want to keep it going for another five years? Yeah. Yeah. You, you would say Pocahontas 1.00

00:38:05.420 says yes. Reaction shot. She's the sole person clapping and it's just like Trump doesn't give a fig.

00:38:23.020 He's he'll use that term anywhere. He, he's not different behind closed doors versus how he is

00:38:28.200 in front of the camera. Um, but she is like, she lied to the American public for years about being 0.98

00:38:35.440 a native American. And that's kind of what he's, he's like, this person has no credibility. And,

00:38:40.380 and the only thing she's clapped for all night is more money to Ukraine for a war that we all know

00:38:46.120 is not going well. Yeah. I'm a Ukraine talk, but what Trump is talking about in the polling is,

00:38:53.040 is popular and most people are, it's going to strike them as common sense. Let's strike a peace

00:38:57.660 deal. Right. And again, it's another thing that we've had this weird reversal where any other person

00:39:03.800 saying, Oh, I'm going to try to forge a peace deal in this, this long running war, at least war has

00:39:08.720 gone on for three years, more than a million casualties. The animal up probably. And, uh, and this is a bad

00:39:15.360 thing. Right. So the, the tactics of getting there, I don't necessarily like, I don't know what's

00:39:20.240 going about, uh, going on behind the scenes, but we established Russia is not going to win the war

00:39:24.920 and the sense of taking Kyiv and toppling the government and creating a Russian puppet state

00:39:30.180 out of Ukraine. And Ukraine is not going to win the war of sense of, in the sense of regaining all

00:39:33.740 their territories. So it's time for it to end. And again, this is, this is a common sensical position,

00:39:40.320 one that a lot of Americans would consider normal. Again, I don't, I don't think necessarily

00:39:44.240 the way we're getting there is not normal. That, that Friday, uh, oval office confrontation

00:39:49.300 with Zelensky, but not normal. It's like something we haven't seen before, but the goal let's stop

00:39:54.020 killing is not something that ordinary people are going to recoil from. It's something they're going

00:39:58.560 to think it makes sense. And Trump also announced last night that, uh, Zelensky sent him a letter,

00:40:04.080 uh, saying he will accept the minerals deal. And that process is now back on track, which again,

00:40:10.240 is a positive development though. You wouldn't know that from that side of the chamber last night.

00:40:14.540 Uh, I didn't go back as I promised I would to Al Green, uh, a Democrat from Texas who decided to

00:40:21.300 make this evening about him, about himself and got up there. It was a, it was a consistent,

00:40:30.020 ongoing heckling of Donald Trump. It wasn't like, I mean, I remember that when Joe Wilson yelled out,

00:40:35.860 you lie to Obama. And it was, it dominated the news the whole next day. It was a huge deal.

00:40:41.600 This breach of decorum, this guy got up there and would not sit down. He was like a code pinker 0.99

00:40:47.600 who just kept yelling with his cane, almost like menacing Donald Trump with his cane.

00:40:52.720 He's 77 years old. Um, by the way, Trump's 78 and, um, wouldn't take a seat. And it was actually

00:41:00.140 really interesting because what you saw was JD Vance and Speaker Mike Johnson behind Trump saying

00:41:08.220 to the Sergeant at Arms in the house, get him out of here with the thumb, like get him out.

00:41:13.020 And eventually Mike Johnson issued the order for the Sergeant at Arms to restore order to the chamber.

00:41:19.320 And he was ejected, which I'm sure is what he wanted. But here's some of that, um,

00:41:24.800 that moment as, uh, chaos broke out. We won the popular vote by big numbers and won counties in

00:41:34.540 our country. The Republicans cheering USA over Al Green's chance.

00:41:54.800 And won counties in our country, 2700 to 525 on a map that reads almost completely red for Republican.

00:42:19.400 A few things happening there, Rich, that jumped out at me. Trump first gives the thumb,

00:42:23.800 you know, point and like, get them out of here. Um, the Republicans have gotten good about this

00:42:28.320 USA chant. I noticed it at, when I went down for some of the confirmation hearings, like Hegseth,

00:42:32.620 when protesters came in, Pete supporters, most of whom, by the way, were military vets,

00:42:38.480 just got up and enchanted USA. They did it for Bobby Kennedy too. It's pretty effective, right?

00:42:44.200 They don't allow the hecklers veto. Look at that guy, get them out. And JD Vance also with the,

00:42:51.360 you know, the rap sign, like get them out. And I have to say, that was one of the dynamics that

00:42:56.060 jumped out at me last night was JD with his, as the kids, the kids have a term bombastic side eye.

00:43:02.580 He had the bombastic side eye many times looking over the Democrats with those like twinkly blues,

00:43:07.620 which are, you know, they know how to cast dispersions by just like a sort of wink and a

00:43:12.680 nod. And boy, you could just see he was literally behind the president and he was figuratively behind

00:43:19.440 the president at every moment, looking out for people who weren't clapping people who were,

00:43:24.600 you know, potential hecklers. And I thought it was kind of nice. I noticed the dynamic and I thought

00:43:29.620 to myself, that's the kid who has the background in Appalachia who would beat the shit out of you. 0.99

00:43:35.860 If you said anything bad about his mother, even though he said plenty of bad things about his 0.99

00:43:39.520 mother, but you're that it's different. The rules in the holla, as he pointed out, were,

00:43:43.880 you know, you can rip on your mom or your family, but nobody else can. And even though he's got a

00:43:48.860 mild manner in general, like he is a street fighter at heart. Anyway, all of that jumped out at me in

00:43:54.220 like the ongoing dynamics around Trump last night, your thoughts. This was a shocking breach of

00:43:59.800 decorum. The worst we've ever seen. There was some heckling of Biden from Marjorie Taylor Greene and

00:44:05.760 Boebert, which I, which I didn't like and thought was wrong. And there's, there's Joe Wilson,

00:44:09.720 who's, who's a great guy, by the way. And I think was, if I remember correctly, was,

00:44:14.500 was an unplanned interjection. It's kind of just popped out. I think he regretted it

00:44:18.880 afterwards. And when he did it, there were gasps in the chamber. So to have someone just stand there

00:44:24.840 and shout and wave a cane at the president of the United States and have to be forcibly ejected,

00:44:30.800 I thought for a while he might resist, right? They might have to carry him or something. At least he,

00:44:34.780 he walked out and expressing no regrets afterwards and saying it was a great thing to do

00:44:38.660 is shocking. It's, it's, it's, uh, another step down in terms of our, our politics and a terrible

00:44:45.840 moment for, for Democrats. Cause this will be one of the most replayed moments of the night. And it's

00:44:51.400 a 77 year old angry man waving a cane saying, get off my lawn to the president of the United States.

00:44:57.980 It's just not, not a great look. Right. Trump handled himself well. He did not lose it. He did not

00:45:04.240 acknowledge him other than the, you know, get him out of here. Um, and so he didn't take the bait,

00:45:08.920 which was good. And as much as, you know, JD and, and Mike Johnson, they, they gave him the

00:45:13.420 right. You could see a look towards the end. There was like a look of irritation on Trump's face where

00:45:17.360 you're like, okay, is he going to go there? But he, but he did. And he just said, thank you very much

00:45:21.180 after it was back over. Sergeant at arms was a little slow on the, on the ejection. No, I was like,

00:45:28.420 where is he? Get him out. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. But probably just because this is an unprecedented

00:45:32.540 thing. You're the, you're, you're the Sergeant. Expect to just kind of stand there with your,

00:45:38.100 your hands folded, not, not to have to go eject an unruly member of Congress, but

00:45:43.120 I thought there might be, if it's a war protester who sneaked in or who is a guest of a member,

00:45:49.500 this was a member sitting right there. Total breach. This will be when, when Al Green inevitably,

00:45:55.320 uh, offers the next articles of impeachment being expelled during Trump's, uh, the address to the

00:46:01.160 joint joint session will be one of the articles we can assume. Yeah, exactly. Okay. So, um,

00:46:08.120 last but not least the Democrat response, which is always just like a terrible job. If asked,

00:46:14.800 you should say no. Um, it was Alyssa Slotkin who I didn't know much about. She's a new newly elected 0.99

00:46:21.460 Senator from Michigan. And when I went to her and saw her at the Pete Hegseth confirmation hearings,

00:46:26.480 she started off by talking about her background in the CIA, how she signed up after nine 11. Um,

00:46:32.020 she, she determined she'd be in security and then she got recruited by the CIA and she served

00:46:35.720 under George W. Bush and Obama bipartisan, you know, more blue collar or blue, you know,

00:46:41.300 crossover blue dog Democrat. Um, no, the answer is no. You, you heard the way she cross-examined 0.58

00:46:48.540 Pete and you quickly learned this is a hateful person who I personally grew to loathe in the

00:46:54.220 moment. But last night while projecting that he's an existential threat, she tried to weave the,

00:47:01.800 you know, I'm totally normal and this is what Democrats are. And therefore the selection of

00:47:06.120 her made some sense, but here's how she sounded. He believes in cozying up to dictators like Vladimir

00:47:13.520 Putin and kicking our friends like the can Canadians in the teeth. He sees American leadership 0.99

00:47:19.360 as merely a series of real estate transactions as a cold war kid. I'm thankful it was Reagan and not

00:47:26.320 Trump in office in the 1980s. Trump would have lost us the cold war. Donald Trump's actions suggest

00:47:33.120 that in his heart, he doesn't believe we're an exceptional nation. He clearly doesn't think we

00:47:39.260 should lead the world. So what did you make of her? I thought it was okay. And as, as you know,

00:47:48.260 I mean, this is just a impossible task. The only good response ever was the late, great Fred Thompson,

00:47:53.540 who was an actor and sat on his desk and gave a response in the nineties. That was fantastic and

00:47:58.740 very memorable. And it's like afraid to talk of, of a presidential run by Thompson, but this is a very

00:48:04.340 hard assignment. I think, you know, that what you, that sought there, that that's a critique you can

00:48:09.560 make of Trump. I don't think it matters for most people. I think the best thing for Democrats to say

00:48:14.500 is his priorities aren't, aren't your priorities and you're going to pay the price and he's not doing

00:48:20.100 enough to reduce prices. I think that's, that's where they should go. And it should be kind of a

00:48:25.040 traditional democratic argument against a traditional Republican president. He's, he's helping his rich

00:48:30.020 friends. You know, I think that makes sense for them. All the other existential threat to democracy

00:48:35.180 stuff is, is not going to get them anywhere. Um, here's throwback to her with Pete. Is there

00:48:42.240 anything that a commander in chief could ask you to do with the uniformed military that would be in

00:48:47.220 violation of the U S constitution? Sandy, anybody of any party could give an order that is against the

00:48:53.960 constitution or against the law. Right. Okay. So, and are you, so are you saying that you would stand in

00:48:59.000 the breach and push back if you were given an illegal order? I start by saying, I reject the

00:49:03.780 premise that president, I understand you've done your general orders, but at all my, my, this isn't

00:49:09.260 a hypothetical. Okay. You're again, you're going to be in charge of 3 million people, the active duty

00:49:13.960 that I know you care about. I believe you care about. So have you been in conversations about using

00:49:19.600 the active duty in any way, whether it's setting up in detention camps, policing dangerous cities,

00:49:25.480 have you been involved in any of those conversations? Certainly. I have been involved

00:49:30.580 in conversations relating to doing things this administration has not, which is secure the

00:49:36.360 Southern border. Sir, sir, I get your filibustering. I get it. I get it. Okay. I mean, it just went on

00:49:41.560 and on and on. I really, I have to just say, I don't think she's the future of the party as the

00:49:45.920 Democrats think she is. I just think she's, she showed a rabid partisanship and, and attack dog 1.00

00:49:51.080 nature and her exchange with him. We can show more of it later, but in any event, um, I don't

00:49:55.680 know. Do you think that's the future of the democratic party there, rich? No, I don't think

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00:50:09.460 things go wrong. They do inevitably events happen, capitalize on those, and then hope you get a

00:50:15.540 decent presidential candidate who, who figures out something new. Well, there's rumblings that

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00:51:33.020 Join me now, editor-in-chief and host of Two Way on YouTube, Mark Halperin. Mark, welcome back. So

00:51:43.140 what'd you think of last night? I'd say three main things. First of all, I thought the president's

00:51:47.300 performance, you love him or hate him, it was just an incredible physical performance, entertaining.

00:51:53.160 He's a great television producer, as you know, and I thought the casting of the folks from all over

00:51:57.840 America representing certain themes were really key. And it's always important to remember the

00:52:02.680 president, contrary to what Politico and others want to say, he's not talking about extreme red

00:52:07.480 meat mega issues. He's talking about issues that are broadly popular, including with people who

00:52:11.720 don't like him. And that's something that put the Democrats on their back legs. Finally, I'll say

00:52:16.900 what the Democrats did last night, even after decades of partisanship and even after Donald Trump is

00:52:21.420 doing things that are partisan. I thought their behavior last night and not applauding a little boy with

00:52:27.100 cancer, not applauding Lincoln Riley's family was disgusting and unhinged. And I think they'll pay 0.97

00:52:32.820 a price for it. We haven't yet shown the Lincoln Riley moment. Her mother and sister were there.

00:52:38.360 That mother's face was the picture of anguish. I mean, it was just, oh, heart-wrenching. And of course,

00:52:47.220 her daughter was the subject and the name of President Trump's first legislative act that actually did

00:52:53.040 get past and is now law, the Lincoln Riley Act. Here's that moment of the president acknowledging

00:52:57.240 the grieving family. Last year, I told Lincoln's grieving parents that we would ensure their daughter

00:53:04.420 would not have died in vain. That's why the very first bill I signed into law as your 47th

00:53:13.960 president mandates the detention of all dangerous criminal aliens who threaten public safety.

00:53:20.640 It's a very strong, powerful act.

00:53:26.980 The mother and daughter on their feet, clapping.

00:53:32.020 The Democrats all seated again.

00:53:36.040 It's called the Lakin Riley Act. So Allison and Lauren America will never, ever forget our beautiful

00:53:44.300 Lakin Hope Riley.

00:53:49.360 She mouths thank you to the president, Lakin's mom.

00:53:53.480 And once again, even after that piece of it, you know, it was sort of a separate line about we'll

00:53:59.000 never forget Lakin. The Democrats did not stand. Here's the video again. Like they couldn't even

00:54:03.900 find the heart to stand for just that piece. Like we'll never forget her. Nope. The grieving mother

00:54:08.760 literally in tears. And they sat there. You know, it's one thing, Mark, to see the Supreme Court

00:54:13.880 sitting there. We know they never stand. Or, you know, the heads of the military branches. They

00:54:18.360 never stand. But those Democrats, not even feigning empathy. What did you make of it?

00:54:24.840 And Megan, you'll recall that a year ago, Joe Biden had to be dragged kicking and screaming into

00:54:29.380 saying her name at his State of the Union address after not acknowledging her brutal murder. After

00:54:36.900 not having a consciousness phrasing to say, you know what, maybe we should listen to the public.

00:54:41.400 Maybe we do need to close the border. Maybe we do need to figure out where all the people are in

00:54:44.880 this country here illegally who have violent past. Last night, they were given a mulligan on this 0.99

00:54:50.440 tragedy that not only is a tragedy for a family, but has implications for the country. And they just,

00:54:55.560 they refused to take it. They refused to be human. And I think, again, President Trump's

00:55:02.040 plenty partisan. I understand how much they don't like Donald Trump, but there's opportunities to

00:55:07.260 behave like a human being. And because of party politics and their Trump derangement syndrome,

00:55:11.820 they chose not to. And I think it's a horrible thing. It's a horrible thing that they did.

00:55:17.080 Why do you think so, Mark? Because I honestly, like we've all been watching State of the Union

00:55:21.160 addresses for many years. And in my experience, I don't remember them all bit by bit, but they would

00:55:27.340 sit there and not clap if it were a partisan issue and telegraph to the country. I disagree.

00:55:32.640 But on the human moments, you would. You'd have many instances in which the whole chamber

00:55:36.640 claps for no other reason, even if they're not really feeling it, just because of good politics.

00:55:41.900 So clearly, the Democrats met and decided it would be bad politics to clap for anything.

00:55:47.240 Well, my reporting's mixed on that. Some of my sources say it kind of just happened spontaneously

00:55:53.900 that they once they sort of got into the pattern of not clapping. Remember,

00:55:58.200 the tradition is members of both parties escort the president out to the floor.

00:56:03.220 And so they started the evening. They started the evening declining to participate

00:56:06.700 in escorting him out to the floor. Their view, and it's the view of tens of millions of people,

00:56:11.560 he's illegitimate. He won the popular vote. He won the election. Even after January 6th,

00:56:16.000 they still think he's illegitimate. And so that is manifested in that room by the party,

00:56:21.100 by the members of Congress. And they simply, I think, I think just in the moment,

00:56:26.500 they sabotage their efforts to make this about policy and Donald Trump's policy,

00:56:31.060 the implications of his policies on real people. And they turned it into a, an MRI of their soul.

00:56:36.640 As the old expression goes, I can't tell you, I just can't see how a human being could sit there

00:56:41.760 and not stand up for that little boy. I just don't know. I just, I just, you know,

00:56:46.940 there's so much in politics that you can understand because you understand the motives

00:56:51.180 of politicians, right? If you've covered them for a while, I can't understand not standing up for

00:56:55.760 that little boy. I just, I can't understand it. And, and I think it was reflective of how much

00:57:00.880 they're still on their back feet. They still don't understand the country

00:57:04.440 and Donald Trump's appeal to enough people to get him elected and to put him in a very powerful

00:57:09.640 position. Because as I said, he's talking about popular issues. They want to say he's talking

00:57:14.580 about MAGA issues. He is some, but mostly he's talking about popular issues on which many of the

00:57:19.800 members of Congress and the Democratic party are on the wrong side. It's amazing because one of their

00:57:25.580 failures last night was to telegraph, like, what is it about Trump that you find so objectionable?

00:57:32.080 You know, when he won in 16, people kind of knew, you know, he had said things that had been bandied

00:57:37.580 about in the media quite often, you know, the opening speech about Mexico, not sending their

00:57:42.440 best or rapists and so on, which would have been bastardized by the press, but whatever, there was

00:57:45.980 a narrative, a very clear narrative around Trump. Now it's just so amorphous. The last thing we heard

00:57:50.780 was he's Hitler. And then the country rejected that and elected him. And that was one of the things I 0.99

00:57:56.020 was searching for last night. Like, tell us what it is. What is the reason you hate him and you can't

00:58:03.740 stand for anything? Your little bingo sign of Musk steals and just false or the random save Medicaid

00:58:13.900 doesn't really do it. So I felt like it was an utter failure of messaging on their part, which it was

00:58:20.040 just wound up in a total victory for Trump because there he is hitting his points, using a sense of humor,

00:58:24.500 getting laughs, getting applause from the Republicans and probably from people at home.

00:58:29.260 And then the Democrats walking right into the trap, he had set of showing zero humanity or empathy,

00:58:35.200 while also not making clear why it is they're being so nasty.

00:58:42.320 It's an interesting question. I think I want to figure out a way to drill down on it with a series

00:58:46.260 of focus groups, because the amorphous thing is they hate him because he's Donald Trump and they think

00:58:50.900 he's going to destroy democracy. But some of them don't like Tulsi Gabbard. Some of them don't like

00:58:55.620 Bobby Kennedy. Some of them don't like Pete Hegseth. Some of them don't like Musk. Some of them don't

00:58:59.920 like Doge. Some of them create falsely that he's going to, he's talking about cutting social security.

00:59:06.540 I think that they're having trouble figuring out because I think a Democratic Party and the

00:59:11.680 anti-Trump movement contains multitudes. And it's obviously a weakness. The point last night for the

00:59:17.180 leadership was, let's all focus on one thing, that his policies will adversely affect people.

00:59:21.800 And that's a good debate. And there's some truth to it. If the country really wants to have

00:59:26.020 significant savings from Doge, they're going to have to be things given up. Research on medical

00:59:30.880 innovations is going to have to be given up. Access to national parks is going to have to be given up,

00:59:35.700 not entirely, but to some extent. That's the debate. They said they wanted to have it. Instead,

00:59:40.900 they did stuff that you can't ignore. Now, we'll say, if the Republican,

00:59:45.280 if a Democratic president, if Kamala Harris had introduced a little boy with cancer who had

00:59:49.440 outlived his diagnosis and loved law enforcement, and the Republicans had sat silently, not applauding,

00:59:57.640 not standing, it would have brought the media to a standstill. And that is the part of their problem

01:00:03.820 is they are enabled in their negative attitude, in their lack of strategic vision to how to confront

01:00:09.340 him. And there's plenty to confront because the press does not call them on it. And so they don't

01:00:14.300 really understand exactly what's actually happening in the real lives of real people and how people

01:00:18.340 would experience such a display. The thing about DJ was he was not controversial. He wants to be a

01:00:25.820 police officer. It's not like there was a backstory behind him and something, you know, happened that

01:00:31.060 was caused by Democrats. That's not where Trump went with his story. It was just a nice story about

01:00:35.060 a kid who wants to be a cop. In a way, it was kind of endearing toward cops. Maybe that's their problem.

01:00:39.680 I don't know. But that was such a weird one not to stand for. Lake and Riley was killed by illegals. 1.00

01:00:45.080 But still, there's not an American in the country who's in favor of Americans being killed by illegals, 0.99

01:00:50.940 you know, with the grieving mother and sister standing there. Then we get to Peyton McNabb, 0.83

01:00:56.600 who was hit in the face by a ball, volleyball, spiked at her by a male player pretending to be a female 0.99

01:01:02.100 in her high school in North Carolina. And again, I realize the Democrats are very pro this

01:01:07.600 so-called trans agenda, but they know very well from the last election election mark that the

01:01:12.900 country is not. That is an 80 percent issue. There are no 80 percent issues in America, virtually none.

01:01:20.220 But 80 percent of the populace does not want boys playing in girls sports. That's why he wisely 1.00

01:01:24.780 brought Peyton McNabb to the state, whatever they address last night. And here he is remarking on

01:01:31.560 Peyton McNabb's presence. And then we'll show you the reaction. Stop five. 0.97

01:01:37.600 Our country will be woke no longer.

01:01:43.400 We believe that whether you are a doctor, an accountant, a lawyer or an air traffic controller,

01:01:51.020 you should be hired and promoted based on skill and competence, not race or gender.

01:01:57.740 Very important. I also signed an executive order to ban men from playing in women's sports. 1.00

01:02:06.720 Three years ago, Peyton McNabb was an all star high school athlete, one of the best preparing

01:02:14.540 for a future in college sports. From now on, schools will kick the men off the girls team

01:02:20.580 or they will lose all federal funding.

01:02:23.800 What I have just described is only a small fraction of the common sense revolution that

01:02:30.360 is now because of us sweeping the entire world. Common sense has become a common theme and we will

01:02:37.940 never go back. Never.

01:02:40.080 And here's the video of the Democrat reaction, which is the same reaction that we saw to DJ,

01:02:47.840 to Lake and Riley's parents, to every moment that tugged at the heartstrings. They did not stand.

01:02:53.260 And he had gone through Peyton's injuries, which are severe. There's partial paralysis on her right

01:02:57.580 side. She suffered a traumatic brain injury. By the way, the male who hurt her never apologized

01:03:02.100 and actually was angry with Peyton for even speaking out about it, which she's been on our

01:03:08.100 show. In any event, there too. And that's, again, an 80% issue mark.

01:03:14.120 I asked some Democrats who were in the chamber, how could you not have stood at those moments?

01:03:20.100 And they said, and these are reasonable people, Trump lies about the border. His policies on the

01:03:25.580 border are inhumane. Trump wants to cut Social Security and he's lying about it.

01:03:29.640 These are questionable positions to take, but I understand their passion,

01:03:34.280 but I don't understand the connection between those things and sitting silently while these

01:03:38.940 extremely heart-wrenching stories are told. As you say, some of them, they could say, well,

01:03:42.680 I don't like Trump's immigration policy, so I'm not going to applaud and support Lake and Riley's

01:03:46.620 family, I guess. But I go back to the little boy. There's, as you said, there's, there's no policy

01:03:51.680 story there. It's just a great American story. And it is, it is inhumane to not, to not applaud them,

01:03:57.740 but it speaks to their lack of strategy several months after the election. It speaks to their

01:04:02.900 Trump derangement syndrome in many cases. And it speaks to their failure to recognize what's

01:04:08.680 happening around them, which is a guy who they want to say is extreme red meat MAGA actually has

01:04:14.640 found the sweet spot on a bunch of issues that are popular, even with a lot of their own voters

01:04:19.840 and the Democrats. And they just don't see that yet. And they did. They certainly didn't see it last

01:04:23.780 night. And perhaps the reaction to last night will make them see it. But I'll say again,

01:04:27.820 their best friends in the press, the irony is the best friends in the press are creating for them a

01:04:32.700 blue bubble that won't, I don't believe it caused many of them to think anew after last night,

01:04:37.560 because they're not being told in their world. That was a real problem last night. It was a real

01:04:42.840 problem. Right. They, I was listening to the New York times is the daily podcast this morning.

01:04:47.940 And of course it was all about how this Peyton McNabb, this it's a culture war issue.

01:04:54.820 She was injured by a trans woman. You know, they don't talk about the biological realities of who, 0.96

01:05:00.420 like some people are still confused by that term. We talk about it so often here. Our audience is not,

01:05:05.500 but they're, they're intentionally obfuscating what happened there. And for most people, I think this

01:05:12.360 was a breath of fresh air to hear Trump get this specific on what's real and what's not. But again,

01:05:16.600 the Democrats sat and did nothing. Sot six. Yeah. There are only two genders, male and female. 0.98

01:05:35.960 I'll tell you something, Mark, for me personally, having covered this very closely for a long time,

01:05:39.960 it was heartening enough just to see all the Republicans on their feet for that. You know,

01:05:43.760 that five years ago, that would have been a very dicey thing to say in this setting. And even the

01:05:50.280 Republicans would have been unsure about whether they could stand and clap on that. So I'll take

01:05:54.760 that victory where I can get it. Yeah. I mean, on this issue, the pendulum swing way too far,

01:06:01.300 not for extremists, not for activists. It's, it's swing way too far for a big majority of the country.

01:06:07.480 And now I think there needs to be a reasonable conversation about when it swings back, where,

01:06:11.760 where should it stop as it swings back? Cause it will swing back. Some, there needs to be a serious

01:06:16.720 conversation. I think for most Americans is a big difference between kids and adults. And so I,

01:06:22.820 I see how people on the left are upset. They say, you know, this is inhumane. This is dehumanizing.

01:06:27.000 This is, um, this is a shaming people. Well, they, they're going to have to recognize that

01:06:32.660 their, their failure to acknowledge how far they let the pendulum swing and not just let it swing,

01:06:37.680 how far they swung it. They're going to have to figure out, they're going to have to figure out

01:06:41.540 where, where can they accommodate understanding the majority and stop acting like they're the

01:06:47.500 majority where the pendulum swung. I mean, even when I interviewed Trump in September of 23 and I asked

01:06:55.280 him, can a man become a woman? He was uncomfortable. He was like, well, I, I say no,

01:07:02.660 I don't think so. You know, like he's gotten much more bold. And of course we saw that on the

01:07:07.180 campaign trail and it's, it's look, it's something to have him say that in the house chamber on a

01:07:12.640 night as big as that. Um, so that's a win and the Democrats either will come along or they'll get

01:07:17.640 left behind. We'll, we'll have to wait and see, you know, there was, uh, there were audible booze

01:07:22.840 and pushback when Trump talked about his historic victory. They really don't like to acknowledge that

01:07:28.340 on the left. And that's when Al Green got up there and started harassing Trump and, um, you know,

01:07:33.540 sort of things got chaotic inside of the chamber. But this was debated interestingly the other day

01:07:39.580 when Stephen A. Smith went on the view and Joy Behar, you know, she too pushed back. And even on

01:07:45.360 this morning's, the daily Maggie Haberman was pushing back on just how historic the victory,

01:07:49.500 they really don't want to say historic. They don't want to say mandate. They don't want to say any of the

01:07:56.100 things that Trump says and they, they put it under the guys like fact checking him. Uh, here,

01:08:00.340 let me show you the exchange that I'm talking about with Behar and Smith, uh, South 27.

01:08:04.220 He won the popular vote by 1.5%, one of the smallest ever. And he won the general election

01:08:10.740 by less than 50%. So what kind of mandate is this really? It is a mandate that I'm going to explain

01:08:15.420 why. And I don't mind the question, but let me be very clear. I'm no supporter of Trump. I'm a

01:08:19.800 supporter of truth and the facts. And here's the facts. The man won every swing state. He increased in

01:08:25.140 terms of his vote, voter turnout in his favor from the standpoint of blacks, Latinos, and young

01:08:31.340 voters. He increased his numbers in that regard from 2020. 89% of the counties shifted to the right.

01:08:39.780 That's a mandate. I don't understand how people can look at that and say,

01:08:43.560 there's no mandate. There's a mandate.

01:08:45.340 Well, it's a different definition of a mandate, I guess.

01:08:49.120 It's very funny to me. Let's just keep redefining it until I feel better.

01:08:53.820 You know, the people who on that set and in Congress and on MSNBC who want to litigate

01:09:05.660 the size of the mandate and want to minimize his victory are spending time not trying to

01:09:12.980 understand why he won. Someone who they think is the worst person in the world. Someone who won after

01:09:18.280 the events of January 6th, who won after denying he lost the election in 2020, who won after four

01:09:23.600 years of a term that they consider to be a complete abomination. They need to spend more time for their

01:09:29.660 own good and for the good of the country answering the question, not how big is his mandate, but why

01:09:35.220 was he able to win? How did he win? And how is he governing now in a way that's almost unbothered by the

01:09:41.580 Democrats' efforts to slow him down? Your co-host over on Two Way, Dan Turrentine, we love him too.

01:09:49.380 He's a Democrat. He tweeted out the following. I love my party, but tonight was a new low.

01:09:54.180 I get silence on this or that policy and the raw politics of the base's anger. But for not a single

01:09:59.140 Democrat to stand and applaud a boy's brave battle with cancer or a man's admission to West Point,

01:10:05.040 which was a surprise Trump gave to one of the audience members, was a classless disgrace.

01:10:10.880 And maddeningly, while overall Trump's speech was politically good, there were political holes

01:10:15.560 that could be exploited, juvenile taunts that voters hate and comical lies. But much of that

01:10:20.600 will be buried by our self-inflicted stupidity. Do you agree with that? And how will it be buried? 1.00

01:10:26.860 Like what happens from here, the media coverage in the wake of the speech and just the tone setting

01:10:33.160 that happened last night? Well, I do agree with Dan. It's one of the reasons we like him so much at

01:10:37.840 Two Way and why he's so popular with honest Democrats and with a lot of centrists and moderates

01:10:42.500 and independents and some Republicans, because he's willing to say the truth. You know, I watched

01:10:46.900 more MSNBC last night after the speech than I usually do, because I was super curious to see

01:10:51.140 if they would acknowledge what had happened. And instead, Nicole Wallace basically demonized a little 1.00

01:10:57.220 boy. The question of what happens next, I think everybody assumes, as I did after the election,

01:11:05.720 that the Democrats would get their act together. I think last night demonstrated as both cause and

01:11:10.440 effect. They're far from getting their act together. If that's the best they could do on

01:11:15.600 a night like that, to just completely have the biggest own goal I can remember in an event like

01:11:21.300 that, they've got a long way to go. And President Trump is, all presidents are in danger of overreaching.

01:11:27.120 But I think he's now basically competing against himself because there is no Democratic opposition

01:11:32.780 that's putting up a meaningful challenge to what he's doing by executive order, by what he's doing

01:11:37.660 in Congress, at least so far. There are some things that are going to require Democratic support. And I

01:11:42.400 think one danger for him, you know, he certainly faced, you know, the kind of heckling that Democrats

01:11:49.220 used to decry. I mean, I've listened for years how Democrats said one South Carolina Republican,

01:11:53.700 Joe Wilson, said to Barack Obama, you lie. They still talk about that as a desecration of the

01:11:58.940 state of the union and of the presidency. Last night, you know, there were there were countless

01:12:02.700 things just like that. I think the president's going to have to decide if he can govern and the

01:12:08.520 things that are going to require some Democratic senators, at least to vote his way. Can he govern

01:12:12.500 if he is not turning the other cheek to when he is slapped? And and that's going to be a challenge

01:12:17.680 for him, because, again, there are some things that require Democratic support. And after last

01:12:21.580 night, I don't know where those votes are going to come from. I know. I mean, with not a single

01:12:26.720 Dem voting for the Protect Women and Girls in Sports Act, not a single Democrat voting for

01:12:32.900 cloture on that bill. I don't know what he's going to get any crossover votes on. I really don't. I

01:12:37.900 like that one's just such a no brainer. This is not Megan Kelly and her wishful thinking. It truly is

01:12:43.100 an 80 percent support issue. It was a very simple, clean bill. It wasn't filled with a bunch of

01:12:47.400 weird things that might get them in trouble. And they didn't vote for it. So I like I yes,

01:12:52.220 he'll get his budget bill through because he can do that with just 51 votes. You don't have to you

01:12:56.040 don't need a cloture vote on that. So that'll be good. But I I don't know what's going to happen

01:13:00.560 on the rest of his agenda when we're speaking about legislative wins. It doesn't seem very promising.

01:13:07.900 OK, on your point about what the Dems are going to do and like they're getting their act together

01:13:11.420 apart from their little bingo signs, you know, their little auctioneer signs. False,

01:13:15.480 false. They they released this weird thing on video this week that's making some news.

01:13:22.760 What the heck happened here? So first, some eagle eyed X users noticed that a few of these Dems,

01:13:31.220 I think it was Senator Schumer, Senator Warren and Senator Cory Booker seem to be using the exact

01:13:36.200 same script to just drop these sort of, you know, F.U. videos to Trump. Here's here's how it first

01:13:42.660 emerged. I win. I will immediately bring prices down starting on day one. That ain't true. That's

01:13:49.840 what you just heard. Since day one, Donald Trump's presidency, prices are not down. They're up.

01:13:55.160 Inflation is getting worse.

01:13:56.480 Okay, it's too annoying. We get it. And then it emerged that at least 22, I think it's up to 23

01:14:04.380 senators, did the exact same thing that we just saw there. Here it is, thought 26.

01:14:10.620 I win. I will immediately bring prices down starting on day one.

01:14:14.400 It's amazing. They're all obviously reading. They're following an exact script. They actually

01:14:27.920 seem to stand and sit at the same point as well. The whole thing's scripted, choreographed.

01:14:33.820 What's going on there? And yeah, like that was just released on social media. So I guess this is

01:14:38.640 the new, like younger, hipper digital lane dem. They all have that same little mic too.

01:14:45.000 Yeah. One of the, one of the few areas since the election where the Democrats having found a

01:14:49.680 correct diagnosis, not a necessary cure, correct diagnosis is they're way behind in organic social

01:14:58.000 media and in creation of social media by political players. Charlie Kirk, Steve Bannon,

01:15:03.580 there are no analogs like for them on the left. Okay. Um, what, so, so they say we need to do

01:15:11.160 better. We need to create more compelling content on a regular basis. Their challenge is it's very

01:15:16.500 hard to do quickly and it's very hard to match fake stuff like that scripted stuff like that to beat

01:15:22.920 organic because the organic stuff is so powerful and it involves big personalities who develop followings

01:15:28.100 over a long period of time, consistent performing. This is synthetic, but it's at least

01:15:33.260 an effort to put out. It's, it's somewhat compelling. Now, I don't know if they didn't

01:15:37.540 think they'd get caught or maybe they thought it would be good to have it amplified by having

01:15:41.680 some, you know, having the kind of coverage you're engaged with it now. But again, it's one of the few

01:15:46.420 areas where they're at least acting on a correct diagnosis, which is they are so far behind. And of

01:15:53.300 course, in the Obama years, they were far ahead and now they're far behind and they have to be

01:15:58.660 players in, in podcasting and video and programs like this in, in the creation of social media for

01:16:04.520 TikTok and other places. At least in this case, they're, they're trying to bring in people. They

01:16:08.920 spent a lot of time with liberal creators yesterday, the crooked media guys and other people.

01:16:14.400 They're far away from where they need to be. But again, at least this is a single area where they're,

01:16:19.260 where they're making an effort. They, um, Elon Musk tweeted out, I'll give somebody a free

01:16:24.620 cyber truck. If they can tell me who created this script, like who was patient zero on this.

01:16:29.360 And I guess Cory Booker today said it was me and you can keep your cyber truck, which was a dumb

01:16:35.380 addendum because who wouldn't want to free cyber truck. But, um, I guess he was behind it.

01:16:40.940 Here's the thing though. If you have kids, you know, the rule is the last thing you want to be is

01:16:45.380 cringe, right? You're, if you're going to do it, got to do it well, and you're not supposed to be

01:16:49.780 cringy. Um, that was cringy. So is this by representative Jasmine Crockett, who I think

01:16:55.420 is 42 years old, not 28. Someone should have told her that before she dropped this video before the

01:17:01.340 state of the union or joint address to Congress last night. Watch.

01:17:04.920 Yeah. They tried to rig the game, but you can't fake influence.

01:17:10.560 Hey, I'm tripping. I'm sliding. I'm right through the back. Like God.

01:17:15.540 Mustard on a beat, bro. He's doing a little Kendrick Lamar dance.

01:17:20.700 And it ends Jasmine Crockett with her signature.

01:17:30.060 I will say that that version is better than the one that Dick Durbin did. I don't know if you saw

01:17:34.200 that one, but hers is better. No, I'm kidding. Kidding. Kidding. I just like the thought of

01:17:39.100 Dick Durbin doing his version. I think it'd be good. Oh my God. That was too much for my brain

01:17:45.500 to handle. I, okay. I just think it's ridiculous. There's no dignity. You know, it's like, you could

01:17:50.960 be cool. You could do a fun video. I mean, I have to say in, in most ways, AOC understands this and she

01:17:56.720 does, she uses social media very effectively. This is not it. Um, and they're just, to me, it just shows

01:18:02.680 that they're struggling. So speaking of struggling, Tim Walsh, if I think I could offer something,

01:18:09.840 I would certainly consider that when asked if he's open to a 2028 presidential run. If I think I could

01:18:16.800 offer something, I would certainly consider that. I'm also though not arrogant enough to believe

01:18:21.100 there's a lot of people that can do this. I'll do whatever it takes. Uh, so do we think that

01:18:28.040 Tim Walsh is a serious candidate for next leader of the party? Nevermind the presidential candidate.

01:18:36.320 No, he's not. I could expound. I could expound, but no, he's not. Um, look, most people who join

01:18:43.080 losing tickets, um, Tim Kaine, for instance, who, who did a thing on Saturday night live a few weeks

01:18:48.140 ago where it was like, no one knows who he is. Most deep candidates on losing tickets. Don't,

01:18:54.060 don't do that emerge as super strong. I think that the nature of his failure is, is pretty obvious to

01:19:01.400 most Democrats and he got off easy. As you know, he was not scrutinized very much and things that

01:19:06.740 didn't turn up or not, you know, place front and center. I think that, um, it is a, it is a mystery

01:19:11.880 in my career at this phase. We're early, obviously we're not even close to the midterms at this phase,

01:19:17.060 every cycle. I could tell you five people for the party out of power, or if there was an incumbent,

01:19:22.120 both parties, uh, term limit incumbent, who are the five people who I'm watching who I think really

01:19:26.960 have the potential to, to, to do what it takes, the difficult task of winning a party nomination

01:19:31.380 and potentially the white house. I can't give you five Democrats, but all I can tell you is if you

01:19:35.880 forced me to 50, I wouldn't say Tim Walts. Oh, wow. That's saying something. All right. Last but not

01:19:41.820 least over on the Republican side, Pam Bondi, um, in a bit of a controversy this week, because 1.00

01:19:48.320 she had the white house and there's new ABC news reporting on this. The white house invited those

01:19:54.000 influencers to the white house last week, reportedly as a, a thank you, a way to honor and thank, um,

01:20:00.400 strong online influencers of the kind that you just mentioned. Um, Chaya Rachik behind libs of

01:20:05.280 Tik TOK, Jack Posobiak, Chad Pranther, um, Liz Wheeler, a bunch of right-wing influencers. And

01:20:11.740 apparently according to ABC, unbeknownst to them, they were then like, they weren't expecting this.

01:20:16.960 They were brought into a meeting with Pam Bondi and cash Patel. And she then surprised them with

01:20:22.560 those Epstein file binders. And so I didn't realize that they were totally caught off guard with this.

01:20:28.780 And so when we saw them emerging from the West wing, holding these binders and kind of like laughing

01:20:33.260 about it, it was what they, they, they didn't know what they had. And the reporting is that

01:20:37.660 she chose not to loop in any white house senior staff on this. She chose to keep it a secret from

01:20:44.320 them because she thought that it would be like a fun surprise that they would be pleased. But it

01:20:48.780 turned out that there was absolutely nothing new in these binders. And it had the unfortunate effect

01:20:53.440 of embarrassing the influencers because they'd been told and believed cash and Bondi that they'd been

01:20:58.980 given something exciting and new and proprietary. So now there's been fallout because it's a question

01:21:08.400 of who embarrassed an influential group around the president, right? Who really deserve nothing

01:21:12.980 other than thanks from him who embarrassed them. Why, how, why wasn't senior white house staff told

01:21:18.180 and why was a thank you session turned into a Pam Bondi Epstein drop information session that actually

01:21:23.660 was no actual info. All that happened. We had the ABC news report on it. And now Bondi saying that she

01:21:30.300 did get a truckload of documents from the FBI who she accused of withholding against both her and cash

01:21:35.680 Patel's orders. Though the next drop has not been received. And the question is whether she's in any

01:21:41.300 sort of trouble. Trump had very warm references to her last night. So here's the hierarchy that way I

01:21:49.680 think about this at the top is the victims and, and nothing should be done on this. That doesn't

01:21:54.560 acknowledge what happened to them, uh, get them the justice that they deserve. And the Epstein victims.

01:22:00.600 Yeah. The Epstein victims. And we shouldn't, we shouldn't look at the titillation that some people

01:22:05.360 feel over, uh, the names of, of people associated with what happened. Shouldn't look at that as a

01:22:11.520 distraction. So that's priority. Number one, number two is the president promised transparency,

01:22:16.700 not just with these files, but with the Kennedy files, uh, are the, the RFK and JFK files,

01:22:21.780 the Dr. King files. That's an important commitment that he made and it should be lived up to. And when

01:22:27.140 it's done in this way, where they say, we've got a big, a big release and then it turns out to not

01:22:31.360 be new, that undermines people's confidence that they really have a dedication to true transparency.

01:22:36.620 Number three, this is a screw up, uh, whether the ABC reporting is exactly right or not. We know the

01:22:42.780 end result was the public was misled. These influencers were treated poorly.

01:22:47.740 That's a basic level of comp incompetence at the highest levels that I think should give people

01:22:52.140 pause because for the most part, this administration under strange circumstances have executed pretty

01:22:57.760 well. Lastly, as you said, the, the president and the administration's relationship with these

01:23:02.460 very influential people, you don't want to embarrass your friends. You don't want to, you don't want to

01:23:06.660 undermine them. And that photo of them smiling with the documents makes me sick every time I see it,

01:23:11.080 but, but it's hard to blame them because as you said, they were put in a situation they weren't

01:23:15.180 expecting. So that's, that's how I break it down. That's how I see it. And, and, and I think in all

01:23:19.680 four strands, the story will continue because as you said, the attorney general is promising more.

01:23:24.980 Mm-hmm. I mean, if she makes it up to them by giving them the next big round and it genuinely is

01:23:32.160 a scoop, I think that'll heal, you know, that'll mend fences. If they remain in the position they're in

01:23:38.260 right now, thanks to her, I think she's in for some PR trouble over the next coming months because

01:23:42.700 I agree. She's probably lost a lot of goodwill with them. Mark, you have all the goodwill in

01:23:47.200 the world here. Thank you for being on. Thank you, Megan. Great to see you. Appreciate it.

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01:25:54.700 I want to take you now to a troubling situation in Maine, where not everyone has gotten the memo

01:26:04.480 about parental rights. Members of the school board in Maine School Administrative District 11

01:26:10.400 are seeking to launch a health clinic at a high school where medical providers,

01:26:15.700 not parents, will make key decisions for students. Here's what officials from the clinic

01:26:21.700 said at a December school meeting. Watch.

01:26:25.480 And the last question I have at this moment is, who decides decision-making capacity for a minor child?

01:26:33.460 Um, a provider. So, um, uh, the medical clinician. The medical clinician. Through their interviews

01:26:43.700 and their interactions with, with. Who gives permission for that child to be interviewed in

01:26:48.660 the first place as a minor child? Well, under the law, the state law, if the child sought one of those

01:26:54.940 three services, substance use disorder, mental health, or family planning, which then the provider

01:27:03.140 would interview them. And if there was a course of treatment needed, they would decide whether they

01:27:08.040 could do that based on the decision-making capacity during the interviews and the visits they had with

01:27:13.840 the student. So no parental involvement, none whatsoever. And that term mental health is doing

01:27:20.640 a lot of work. There is a very large category that excludes the parent from any decision-making

01:27:25.640 that woman. You just heard CEO of health reach is correct about main law. And when children can 1.00

01:27:31.280 consent to procedures, medicine potential without parental permission. And while health reach says

01:27:37.740 there are no plans right now to offer hormone treatments for so-called trans students, parents

01:27:44.720 are understandably very concerned about where this is going. You saw the main governor with Trump last

01:27:49.620 week. There's an agenda in Maine, but thanks now in part to an email campaign by a group called

01:27:55.620 courage is a habit. MSAD 11 has not yet approved that clinic. And we are monitoring developments

01:28:03.020 closely ahead of tomorrow's school board meeting here. Now to tell us more is courage is a habit

01:28:08.080 president, Alvin Louie. Alvin, thank you so much for keeping a finger on the pulse of this one.

01:28:13.580 So what specifically is this about? They're bringing in a so-called health clinic for the children,

01:28:19.620 with what appears to be the express goal of excluding parents?

01:28:24.760 Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you for having me, Megan. It's a pleasure to meet you.

01:28:29.120 Likewise.

01:28:29.620 Absolutely. In fact, one of the school board members, Joanne O'Brien, actually admitted on a Facebook

01:28:35.740 post that they are providing, referring out to the transgender drugs and different treatments of

01:28:41.740 that nature. So they're lying in the sense that they go, oh, we're not giving it, but they're

01:28:45.940 referring out to it. And this all stems from the keeping secrets from parents in schools. This is

01:28:53.500 just a logical conclusion of that because the school counselors are the biggest purveyors of 0.98

01:28:59.120 the transgender cult. And a lot of people don't know that. And so they've been setting the tone 0.99

01:29:03.480 that parents are unsafe and abusive. They're redefining two words, unsafe and abusive.

01:29:08.720 And what they do is they'll say, if you don't believe that your daughter is really a boy,

01:29:14.500 then you are unsafe and abusive. And so based on that foundation that they've already established

01:29:20.520 in government K-12 in Maine and in all 50 states, really, now they'll go, well, we need the medical

01:29:26.880 clinic because parents are unsafe and we need to provide the health coverage for children.

01:29:33.960 But what they mean by that is vaccines, COVID, COVID vax, uh, yeah, COVID vax, um, birth control,

01:29:42.960 invasive IUDs. Um, and you know, Megan, it's even taking all those horrific things aside,

01:29:48.560 like the transgender drugs, and they can refer out to it. These clinics are quite literally

01:29:52.520 seeding their own clients. They're putting these kids in these, um, therapies, the therapists that

01:29:58.620 are a firm only therapist, uh, they're driving their mental health to the ground. And then they go,

01:30:03.800 oh, they need medication. So they're quite literally seeding and creating their own customers.

01:30:08.200 What do you mean referring out? How would it work in, in, under the proposed, you know,

01:30:12.860 system that you are objecting to? If a kid comes in to this clinic and says, I I'm gender confused.

01:30:20.800 So the first thing they'll do is they'll pair them with an affirm only therapist,

01:30:24.460 and then they'll keep that a secret from parents. And they'll, so you don't do the pronouns.

01:30:28.720 They'll call them by a different name, uh, things of that nature. Then they'll start driving them to

01:30:33.440 that. And then if they need a, uh, breast binder or tucking, then they'll offer that. They'll give

01:30:39.160 them that. Then if they start to do the, uh, cross-sex hormones, then the clinic in the school 0.54

01:30:45.940 will refer them out to another clinic or another pharmacy to go get, uh, said, uh, drugs.

01:30:53.720 Could they get a prescription without their parents at that point?

01:30:56.720 Yes, they can, because it'll be paid through by, uh, Medicaid in Maine is called Maine care.

01:31:03.800 Oh my God. So your child could first get a COVID vaccine, which we know, especially in young males

01:31:10.960 has a disturbingly high risk of causing heart infection. Myocarditis would, could,

01:31:15.960 could be potentially fatal without your knowledge and your child who maybe just be stressed out from

01:31:21.940 like a divorce that the parents are going through or God forbid, a childhood sexual trauma or

01:31:26.100 bullying in school and, and, and manifest this in the more sort of, Oh, it's like the hip thing to

01:31:31.340 be, which is trans without you knowing gets a firm, gets a breast binder, gets a prescription to go to 0.75

01:31:38.160 this other clinic. And it's sometimes I, it can be like a Planned Parenthood. Those are, they're very

01:31:42.360 like pro, you know, sending kids down this lane. And, and that clinic gives them a prescription for

01:31:49.000 puberty blockers into cross sex hormones, which sterilizes a child. Yep. You've got brain issues, 0.83

01:31:55.360 uh, bone density issues. Obviously you're stopping puberty or even if you're the cross sex hormones 0.96

01:32:01.400 will screw up their fertility for women, for girls later on. It's, it's such a horrific thing. Then,

01:32:07.780 you know, that the rest of the other parts of the world are moving away from it. Hospitals are stopping

01:32:12.880 it now, thanks to, you know, uh, president Trump's executive order, but the schools, you know, the

01:32:17.720 transgender cult is going to be the last place that this completely dies. It'll be in K through 12. 1.00

01:32:23.640 That's the last place it dies. Cause that's where it started. This is not, this is not a chicken or

01:32:28.080 egg thing. The social contagion started in K through 12. That's a, such a good point. That's exactly right.

01:32:33.900 So, so that's incredible and very disturbing, but what's happening now, because there are reportedly

01:32:39.860 25 health clinics already in Maine schools. Right. Um, but the nonprofit that would run this

01:32:46.160 new one says, Oh no, we have no plans to provide hormone treatments. Well, they say that, but in

01:32:53.800 other States that have that they've already done it. Um, and one of the things also that they lie

01:32:59.540 about it, they'll say that this doesn't cost taxpayers anything. And it's a complete lie because

01:33:04.820 they use federal funding, they use federal funding to stand the clinic up for that first

01:33:10.200 or one or two years. So health reach uses federal funding. Uh, they'll use a mixture of funding from

01:33:15.380 let's say, uh, health and human services or the American rescue act of 2021. For those of you who

01:33:21.060 know, it's supposed to be for COVID. They use it for that. Um, and then after the first one or two

01:33:26.560 years, they'll have to raise taxes, property taxes, do a referendum, uh, for, for main residents to

01:33:32.520 keep the clinics going. And if you say, Hey, I don't want this referendum, it'll be, Oh, you're

01:33:36.880 taking, you're taking, uh, healthcare away from poor kids. It's always weaponizing your empathy.

01:33:42.020 You know, we often say here at courage is a habit. We don't have an oppression problem in this country.

01:33:45.820 We have an idiot empathy problem. And that's what they always drive, uh, good people's empathy to, 1.00

01:33:51.380 to get these things passed. But do we think that they're backing off of it at all? Because they

01:33:56.300 delayed the vote on this health clinic in December, and now it's not officially on the agenda for

01:34:02.000 the meeting they're having this week. So do you feel like you've already won this or it's still

01:34:06.440 alive? No, the thing that they do, Megan, that's really, that that's a tactic they always use across

01:34:12.220 all 50 States is they'll try to punt it until parents stop paying attention. And we've seen this,

01:34:17.980 you know, my organization fights this at every level where there's the porn in schools or the

01:34:21.860 critical race theory, transgender ideology. Every time something like this happens, they'll punt it 0.99

01:34:26.260 because they know parents are busy and a lot of people look at punting as a victory. And so when

01:34:32.140 they stop paying attention, they're going to go ahead and sneak it in. Uh, but it's a different day

01:34:36.060 and we are definitely not letting anyone forget it. And so, uh, I, I, our, our suspicion is that

01:34:41.960 they're going to try to punt it until they can quietly install it or vote it in. But, uh, for sure,

01:34:47.300 the heat is getting to them because they, they should have, uh, they, they wanted to vote this in

01:34:52.080 December 5th. Uh, they snuck in, uh, this agenda on Thanksgiving Eve. Imagine that, imagine being

01:34:59.060 so proud of this, of this medical clinic. It's so good that they snuck the agenda in on Thanksgiving

01:35:04.260 Eve. And then they were going to do the vote on December 5th, uh, hoping nobody was going to pay

01:35:09.200 attention. Bad news for them. We were paying attention and we're not going to stop. Right.

01:35:12.820 And I should point out to the viewers, you're not in Maine, you're in Indiana, but you're keeping an eye

01:35:17.100 you've been, this is one of the reasons why I love your Twitter account, but it X, um, you've been

01:35:21.640 paying attention to what's happening in schools across the nation. By the way, if anybody wants

01:35:24.700 your help or to alert you to something that they'd love your help with, what, how can they contact you?

01:35:30.080 Uh, drop us an email at team at courage is a habit.org, or you can drop us a DM on our X,

01:35:36.640 which is at courage habit. Okay. Um, now you foiled the school board as I understand it, and you got

01:35:44.740 some disturbing text messages about yourself and your efforts to stand up for parents and for

01:35:51.480 children. What happened? So we know that they talk a lot of mad garbage when they're in the emails.

01:35:59.080 And so what we were foying was we were looking for an ethical conversation between them and health 0.95

01:36:05.560 reach. Cause they're saying, Oh no, you know, we didn't approach them and this is all above board,

01:36:09.580 but we knew that health reach health reach, the clinic. Right. And so what, so we were looking,

01:36:15.280 so we foyer, we were looking for that. So I had sent them an email when I was in Maine last

01:36:20.460 and I gave them a benefit of the doubt. I said, Hey, listen, you guys got this sales pitch from

01:36:25.860 health reach. Of course, like any salesperson, they're going to leave certain things out,

01:36:31.440 even if they're not outright, outright lying to you. Um, and this is, uh, I, I think, I mean,

01:36:36.920 I'll let your viewers judge, but I thought it was a pretty cordial email. I said, Hey, uh, there's

01:36:42.000 going to be some things that you, that you don't know about these clinics that we've seen in other

01:36:45.440 States. I like to meet with some of you or all of you, and I like to share some of the things that

01:36:49.900 you don't know when you're installing something as serious as a medical clinic, uh, and you're

01:36:54.500 dealing with people's children's health. You should know everything before you make this decision,

01:37:00.740 sent the email, didn't hear from them. Didn't expect that too, but you know, I tried. And then when

01:37:04.860 we were foyering for some of the unethical, uh, conversation, we saw that they were doing these

01:37:12.060 group text messages. And in Maine, if you have either four or five people on a group text,

01:37:17.040 we can foyer that. So we said, okay, we'll foyer that too. And we saw one of the texts,

01:37:24.500 one of the school board members, uh, Matthew Lillibridge quote, you know, in response to my email

01:37:30.320 offering to give them information, he said, we'll see how much courage he has. When I

01:37:34.820 answer the door with an AR-15 and a Doberman. Unbelievable. What kind of person responds to

01:37:44.140 an email offering information? And he could have said, you know, Megan, he could have said,

01:37:47.720 you know, we'll see how tough he is. I'll get in his face. I'll, I'll punch him in the nose. I'll

01:37:51.940 punch her in the mouth. Nope. He went right to the AR-15. And this is a school board member who's 1.00

01:37:58.340 literally, I'm not making this up, Megan. He's running again for his seat right now.

01:38:03.540 Oh my God. So we, we reached out to him for comment on that email and he did not respond

01:38:09.580 to us. Um, he does not understand courage. That's quite clear. Although behind closed doors,

01:38:15.720 he's super tough, Alvin, super tough. He's going to get you. They always are. They always are.

01:38:22.220 They always are. Can you talk a little bit about that? Because you actually are courageous and this

01:38:25.660 is a battle that must be fought and you've been fighting it since before it was in vogue

01:38:28.980 and acceptable to be fighting it. But I understand there's, you know, your great grandfather came to

01:38:34.580 America from Mao's China. So how has that affected your willingness to get on these issues?

01:38:42.320 Well, I think like most Americans, I've, uh, really took my hands off the wheel and I was born here.

01:38:48.180 I was lucky to be born here. My great grandfather, he was an older man already when he left Mao's 0.98

01:38:52.620 communism. And, you know, he owned two bakeries, uh, not a rich man by any stretch, two very humble

01:38:58.620 bakeries. And when Miles Redgard dragged him out and beat him, it wasn't soldiers. They were college 0.94

01:39:05.800 kids, high school kids, just like what we're seeing today, uh, across, across the country being

01:39:10.520 developed, uh, in K through 12 and in colleges. And so when he came here, you know, it was obviously

01:39:15.520 very tough. You know, you come here as an old man, you don't even know the language. And, you know,

01:39:18.920 you, you, you definitely try to make a life here because you know, there isn't a life when communism

01:39:22.680 comes. So my father has always, um, reminded myself and my siblings that he would always tell

01:39:28.560 us when we're younger, if you can't make it in America, you can't make it anywhere. And like

01:39:34.000 most Americans, I've really taken that for granted. Um, I've been able to do a lot of other things in

01:39:38.480 my life and not having to worry about if you asked me, you know, 10 years ago, who my, who the mayor

01:39:43.580 was in my city, I probably couldn't tell you much less who's on school board. But, you know, from being

01:39:48.420 from California, when I saw how California turned out and, you know, we moved to Indiana,

01:39:53.780 I saw the same things happening, um, in Indiana and, uh, it, but in a smaller sense in California.

01:40:01.800 And I, it really hit me that, you know, uh, nobody's escaping out of Florida to Cuba in the

01:40:07.160 middle of the night. If America goes the way it's going, uh, there's nowhere else for my children,

01:40:12.520 your children, anybody's children to go. And so I think that really thinking about my great

01:40:17.180 grandfather running like that really kind of really drove me to say, you know, even in the

01:40:21.980 tiniest way, I got to try to do something because I've enjoyed my freedom so much. And I've been able

01:40:26.620 to do things great, you know, fun things. And now I, I feel like I just have to do my duty.

01:40:32.680 It's incredible. Thank you so much for being so involved in this fight and for calling our

01:40:37.160 attention to it as well. We'll stay on it and, uh, we'll be keeping an eye on that main school board

01:40:42.560 meeting tomorrow, just to see if they do try to sneak this in and have you back on. If they do

01:40:46.820 Alvin, thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you, Megan. Wow. These guys, I mean, can you imagine

01:40:52.820 your kid goes to school, gets a, gets a shot in the arm that could potentially cause a heart infection,

01:40:58.540 which you wouldn't even know to be checking for because they'd vaccinated him without your consent 0.98

01:41:03.740 and then secretly give him tucking apparatus to start messing with his genitals. So he can look and 0.98

01:41:10.000 feel more like a girl, then snap him with puberty blockers into cross-sex hormones, which sterilize 0.99

01:41:16.100 a child, not to mention deprive him of any hope of sexual pleasure throughout his life. And you know

01:41:21.360 nothing and the school board will defend this. And so will the main governor. I mean, this, this is how

01:41:27.760 radical the left has become. This is, it's infuriating. And it's another reason why president

01:41:33.560 Trump won and does have the mandate. He says he does. Wow. All right. We will be back tomorrow.

01:41:39.740 We're taking your thoughts on all of this. Please email me, Megan at megankelly.com. And then we're

01:41:43.860 back tomorrow. Boy, do we have a treat for you. I'm really looking forward to this, the whole show

01:41:47.840 with comedian Andrew Schultz, the greatest, the funniest. He's totally irreverent. Buckle up. We'll

01:41:55.780 see you then. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

01:42:09.740 Thank you.

The Megyn Kelly Show - March 05, 2025

Trump's Funny and Powerful Address, and Dems' Embarrassing Response, with Rich Lowry, Mark Halperin, and Alvin Lui ｜ Ep. 1019

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