The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump's ＂Genius＂ McDonald's Trip, and Media's ＂Arnold Palmer＂ Meltdown, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson

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00:00:31.160 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.680 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.880 What a crazy weekend in the 2024 election.

00:00:48.380 Just two weekends left before Election Day.

00:00:52.340 This one involved former President Donald Trump working the drive-thru

00:00:56.020 at a Pennsylvania McDonald's in Bucks County in a truly iconic campaign moment

00:01:01.740 while much of the corporate media was focused on a brief story

00:01:04.820 Trump told about legendary golfer Arnold Palmer.

00:01:08.520 They're very upset, very upset that there was a reference

00:01:12.720 to one's manhood on stage by a former president.

00:01:18.800 You're only allowed to do that if your name is Barack Obama

00:01:22.340 and you're at the Democratic National Convention.

00:01:25.060 You see, he's allowed to make D-jokes all day long.

00:01:29.060 But if you're Trump and you make some innocuous allusion to Arnold Palmer's manhood,

00:01:34.900 it's a hard no.

00:01:36.320 That's a violation of decorum.

00:01:38.740 The media is disgusting.

00:01:41.020 As the thing on Twitter says, you don't hate the media enough.

00:01:44.420 Meantime, Vice President Kamala Harris was hanging with Lizzo because she's an everywoman

00:01:50.020 and Usher, him too, and Al Sharpton because nothing says I'm going to provide a new generation

00:01:58.940 of leadership like hanging out with the OG race baiter, Al Sharpton.

00:02:05.100 Al Sharpton.

00:02:06.380 We're going to bring it to you all today with the EJs, Emily Jashinsky.

00:02:10.300 She's D.C. correspondent at UnHerd, U-N-H-E-R-D, and host of Undercurrents,

00:02:16.580 and Eliana Johnson, who is editor of the Washington Free Beacon

00:02:19.500 and co-host of the Ink Stained Wretches podcast.

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00:03:28.940 Ladies, welcome back.

00:03:30.460 Great to be here, Megan.

00:03:31.300 Okay, so let's start with McDonald's.

00:03:34.580 I loved it.

00:03:35.780 I loved everything about it.

00:03:36.980 I thought it was absolutely brilliant.

00:03:38.740 And I know that he was over the target because the media truly can't stand it.

00:03:45.520 Like, they're having such a vicious reaction to Trump showing up outside of Lancaster, Pennsylvania,

00:03:51.620 and in his regular suit, well, shirt with the cufflinks, serving fries and delivering people's meals.

00:04:00.720 So let's look at a little bit of it.

00:04:02.680 Now, here he is walking in and glad-handing.

00:04:05.940 Let's look at a little bit of how it went down and listen as well.

00:04:10.500 It's hot one.

00:04:10.900 Mr. Trump, what's your favorite thing to order, I mean, Collins?

00:04:14.120 I like it all.

00:04:16.780 I like every ounce of it, everything.

00:04:19.320 What a good-looking family.

00:04:21.280 How did you produce those good-looking kids?

00:04:23.500 And there'll be no charge.

00:04:24.720 Trump is paying for it.

00:04:25.680 Is that okay?

00:04:26.680 Hello.

00:04:27.080 How are you?

00:04:28.180 What a beautiful woman.

00:04:29.880 Look at her beautiful child.

00:04:31.500 The whole...

00:04:32.000 It's like the perfect-looking person.

00:04:34.460 Hey, look at this guy.

00:04:35.580 I'm not going to mess with him, huh?

00:04:36.900 How you doing, sir?

00:04:37.780 You look fantastic.

00:04:38.600 Hello.

00:04:39.240 It's very possible for ordinary people like us to meet.

00:04:41.860 Oh, you're not ordinary.

00:04:42.800 I mean, thank you so much.

00:04:43.860 You are not ordinary.

00:04:45.380 Mr. President, please don't let the United States become Brazil, my native Brazil.

00:04:49.600 Oh, we'll keep it good.

00:04:50.960 Please, please, please.

00:04:51.500 We're going to make it better than ever, okay?

00:04:53.280 Thank you.

00:04:53.680 Now I have worked at McDonald's.

00:04:54.800 I've now worked for 15 minutes more than Kamala.

00:05:02.540 It's amazing.

00:05:03.620 Before we get to the media meltdown, let's just stay there because I really thought this

00:05:08.900 was quite genius.

00:05:10.080 You know, everyone knows Trump loves McDonald's.

00:05:12.800 No, Trump has never worked at McDonald's.

00:05:14.980 He was born to a very rich father, as everyone knows.

00:05:18.040 But he eats there all the time.

00:05:20.520 And so he's telegraphing that even though he's got all this money, he really is an everyman.

00:05:24.020 He knows the menu forward and back.

00:05:25.980 And he's drawing attention to the fact that he, like many, doubts Kamala Harris's claims

00:05:32.440 to have worked there, something she's never been able to really substantiate.

00:05:36.940 And it's also just a great photo op in the same way we see these politicians go to state

00:05:41.180 fairs and eat the fried corn dog.

00:05:44.020 This is Trump's state fair, only it's real for him.

00:05:47.100 He actually loves it.

00:05:48.480 So what do you guys make of it?

00:05:51.780 The photos and videos were just they were wonderful.

00:05:56.940 And the purpose of his appearance was to drive the narrative that Kamala Harris never really

00:06:04.620 worked this job that has been a centerpiece of the biography that she's put forward on the

00:06:11.420 campaign trail.

00:06:12.220 And as a result, there was a ton of media coverage about this event in which the media said Trump

00:06:19.320 is Trump is pushing this unproven claim that Kamala Harris never worked at McDonald's.

00:06:28.560 Well, the result was a full day of media coverage of his appearance and of discussion of Kamala

00:06:35.680 Harris's claim and of Trump raising questions about it.

00:06:38.280 And I just thought, you know, this is not what the Harris campaign wants to be talking about

00:06:43.800 two weeks out from the election.

00:06:45.060 And the entire day was dominated by Trump.

00:06:47.620 And it was a day he won.

00:06:50.100 He won the news cycle yesterday.

00:06:52.140 You know, Emily, you just look at this.

00:06:54.280 It's fun.

00:06:55.280 It's fun to see Trump in a McDonald's serving fries, period.

00:06:59.720 Right.

00:07:00.000 And but but then actually, no, there's more after my period, not my period, the period at

00:07:04.760 the end of that's already been in the news.

00:07:08.280 Well, OK, anyway, what exactly what's fun about it, in addition, what's important about

00:07:15.140 it, in addition to the fact that it's just good, clean fun, is that's not a dictator.

00:07:20.740 That's not a fascist.

00:07:22.340 That's not Hitler.

00:07:24.060 I mean, the left will continue trying to tell us that it is.

00:07:26.740 But you that's the thing about Trump is like you see him.

00:07:28.980 He he does have this great ability to be an every man.

00:07:32.060 You know, he he swears.

00:07:34.500 He makes the occasional D joke.

00:07:36.340 He shows up at McDonald's and you know that he lives on that food and Hershey's chocolate

00:07:40.620 bars, you know, and Diet Coke like he isn't, as I referenced last week, John Bon Jovi with

00:07:47.280 a glass of wine, literally with his pinky out behind stage after trying to pose as the

00:07:52.940 hardcore rocker in front of his audience.

00:07:54.980 With Trump, what you see is what you get.

00:07:56.760 He did not put on people are like, why is he wearing that outfit with a friend?

00:07:59.720 He did not put on the the tank top, the sleeveless tank top, a stained.

00:08:05.700 What did you want him to wear?

00:08:06.860 Right.

00:08:07.080 Anyway, those are the two reasons I think it works, among others.

00:08:11.260 Well, I think this is an encapsulation of the political genius of Donald Trump.

00:08:16.100 I actually think some of the reaction on the left is proving it because I think they recognize

00:08:20.520 the political genius is a threat to their own agenda because it's really, really powerful.

00:08:26.720 And of course, they see that through the lens of like a dictator and his propaganda, that

00:08:31.200 that's what Donald Trump is doing, this soft face, putting a soft, smiling, McDonald's

00:08:36.060 eating face on fascism.

00:08:37.820 But the premise of that is actually that it's very powerful.

00:08:41.240 And I don't think Donald Trump is a fascist, but I agree that this is very powerful because

00:08:45.120 to the state fair point you brought up, Megan, he famously in 2016 exploded the state fair playbook

00:08:53.640 for politicians and outright gave kids helicopter rides.

00:08:58.120 He didn't do the thing where he put on a plaid shirt, rolled up the sleeves and pretended

00:09:02.700 he just couldn't get enough of the funnel cake and the corn dogs.

00:09:06.400 He was openly a billionaire who was having fun with his money and having fun with the campaign.

00:09:11.380 And I think this is really, really similar to that.

00:09:14.020 And he's not trying to be inauthentic.

00:09:17.360 He's not trying to pretend that he really loves McDonald's.

00:09:22.500 The guy actually really loves McDonald's.

00:09:24.420 He clearly goes to McDonald's all of the time.

00:09:26.800 And he's having these conversations that are way more natural with constituents than any

00:09:31.920 other politician put in that situation who is given a script, is told what to say about

00:09:36.760 this massive corporation, what he can say ethically about paying for everybody's food.

00:09:41.200 There was that moment where Donald Trump turned around and said, you know, can we do that?

00:09:44.580 Can I pay for everyone's food?

00:09:46.080 Any other politician would be fearfully sticking to their script in a situation where they're

00:09:50.480 giving drive through orders out to people and making French fries.

00:09:54.540 But it's natural for him.

00:09:56.580 So I agree.

00:09:57.360 I mean, I think it was a really, really high point of his campaign and actually really his

00:10:01.380 political career.

00:10:02.680 It just reminds you what you like about Trump.

00:10:05.580 He's funny.

00:10:06.620 He's self-deprecating in his own way.

00:10:09.440 And like he's entertaining.

00:10:11.700 This is actually what a lot of voters are attracted to.

00:10:15.600 He's not a bore.

00:10:18.060 Good gracious.

00:10:19.320 Kamala Harris doesn't understand that.

00:10:21.800 So this is just a sampling of the media reaction.

00:10:25.980 I mean, the New York Times may be the furthest off off the hook.

00:10:29.820 I mean, their headline is birtherism meet burgerism.

00:10:36.240 They're actually comparing him suggesting Kamala Harris never worked at McDonald's to Trump's

00:10:43.740 birtherism claims about Barack Obama and whether he wasn't born in the United States.

00:10:50.500 What?

00:10:51.980 What?

00:10:52.900 Trump has repeatedly accused Harris of inventing this claim, recalling his earlier false claim

00:11:00.600 that President Barack Obama was not born in the United States.

00:11:03.820 Huh?

00:11:05.400 How?

00:11:06.440 How?

00:11:07.080 And then they talk about how he's put her and her aides in something of a bind.

00:11:16.620 Tracking down pay stubs or other documentation from so long ago would be a difficult task for

00:11:22.120 almost anyone.

00:11:23.880 McDonald's corporate representatives have ignored media requests for corroborating information.

00:11:29.600 And then they go on to say that they have they have, I guess, corroborated it by a statement

00:11:39.700 from the campaign saying it happened.

00:11:42.580 She worked there and a friend of Kamala Harris said she talked to her dead mother.

00:11:50.660 Yeah, to Kamala Harris's dead mother.

00:11:52.460 And she thinks she remembers the dead mother mentioning it.

00:11:55.760 I mean, like in a court of law, you'd be in some trouble, Eliana.

00:12:01.400 I'm glad we have two hours to talk about this.

00:12:05.040 Yes.

00:12:05.820 The whole McDonald's narrative is downstream of a really carefully researched and reported

00:12:11.780 Free Beacon report that came out in late August.

00:12:14.600 And that's why Trump has been talking about it.

00:12:16.740 And the Free Beacon report raised questions about Harris's claim to have worked at McDonald's,

00:12:23.120 noting three things.

00:12:24.800 The first is that the campaign's story about the job had changed.

00:12:29.300 They initially said she had worked there to pay her way through school.

00:12:33.780 They had to walk back that claim.

00:12:36.340 And they said that she actually just worked there for a summer for extra cash.

00:12:41.020 They walked it back when the Free Beacon approached the campaign with questions.

00:12:45.060 Number two, it's not mentioned in any of the books that have been written about Harris,

00:12:50.260 nor is the job mentioned in any of Harris's own books.

00:12:53.880 The first time she ever mentioned it was on the campaign trail in 2019.

00:12:57.660 That's odd for something that's become so significant on the campaign trail this time around.

00:13:02.780 Number three, she was asked for not a resume, as has been widely reported,

00:13:07.780 but she was asked when she worked in a government legal office,

00:13:13.520 a district attorney's office, for every position she had held in the past 10 years.

00:13:18.500 So that's not a resume, but every position.

00:13:20.960 And she did not include this job.

00:13:24.780 Megan, I'm sure you'll be shocked to learn that the New York Times left those first two details out of its story.

00:13:32.220 They do not mention that the campaign's story and details about this job have changed.

00:13:39.000 And they do not mention that Harris herself does not mention this job in any of the books she has written,

00:13:44.340 and that one of her biographers told The Beacon he wasn't aware that Harris had had this job.

00:13:50.740 Instead, they say this is the new birtherism.

00:13:53.120 And while Trump has said she never had the job, that goes beyond what The Beacon was able to report.

00:13:57.940 They say Trump is claiming without evidence.

00:14:03.060 Well, there is some evidence.

00:14:05.260 He's going beyond what the evidence says, but there is certainly reason to question her claim.

00:14:11.040 You know, I wrote in The Beacon's newsletter this morning,

00:14:13.680 the Times report is, I mean, to call it North Korean, I think, is not an exaggeration.

00:14:20.120 They leave out important facts that would inform the reader's ability to assess this.

00:14:25.580 And then they cite the Harris campaign as evidence to affirm her account.

00:14:35.320 It is a stunning display of tendentiousness and dishonesty.

00:14:40.620 If this is a lie, she is the source of the lie.

00:14:42.860 So why would we then look to her as the person who could disprove the lie?

00:14:47.020 And the campaign's own claims about this have changed, which is something they do not tell their readers.

00:14:53.620 If somebody said to me, and I actually, I think my first job was a spa lady.

00:15:00.740 The first job I ever had was a spa lady up in Del Mar, New York, later to become living well lady, in any event.

00:15:07.620 And then shortly thereafter, I took a job.

00:15:09.880 It was almost contemporaneous, but at this ski shop, like selling ski gear.

00:15:14.260 And I'm not going to say the name of the ski shop just to protect the innocent or the guilty.

00:15:20.620 But if you ask me what happened inside that ski shop, like tell me about it.

00:15:26.920 I could describe the ski shop exactly to you.

00:15:29.160 I could tell you that I worked there with my best friend, Kelly McGinnis.

00:15:32.020 I could tell you that the guy who owned the ski shop used to wax the skis in the back of it.

00:15:37.040 And he called the ski waxing machine Ol' Reliable.

00:15:39.480 And he used to joke that he would take me and Kelly back in Ol' Reliable and make women out of us.

00:15:44.580 Okay.

00:15:47.020 1986 or 7, it was a different time.

00:15:51.100 But we knew it was pervy even back then.

00:15:52.940 My point is, I could definitely convince you that I worked at this ski shop.

00:15:57.980 And don't even get me going on my spa lady days, where the thing I remember most was,

00:16:02.040 do not go in the hot tub.

00:16:04.620 Okay, just don't.

00:16:05.320 Anyway, we could go on.

00:16:08.560 I've never heard her do that.

00:16:10.180 I have never heard her really convince me in the way all of us could do about our first jobs,

00:16:15.640 that she worked there.

00:16:17.240 It does seem to be something she's floundered on when it comes to her story.

00:16:22.720 And Trump getting out there and doing this reminds you, really, he's authentic and she isn't.

00:16:30.880 Right.

00:16:31.320 Donald Trump doesn't do this whole thing where he says, I grew up in a middle class family.

00:16:35.640 He doesn't do, he doesn't try to put on the act.

00:16:38.200 He's just openly, extremely rich and leans into it because other people have written about this.

00:16:44.620 There's something in a lot of American voters that sees an aspirational element to Donald Trump's character.

00:16:51.780 In America, we don't want people to sort of feel badly about their success or their wealth.

00:16:55.340 And when other politicians, Mitt Romney is a really good example, do the thing where they roll up their sleeves and eat the corn dogs,

00:17:01.280 it feels or it strikes people as maybe not that helpful and not that inspiring or aspirational.

00:17:08.160 And I think that's what Trump taps into.

00:17:10.380 In the New York Times of it all or the media of it all, that's actually a really classic thing.

00:17:15.540 We see more and more in these fact checks is citing either the government that's under fire or the campaign that's under fire,

00:17:22.220 the official campaign or statement or press office as evidence of a debunking.

00:17:29.360 I've seen that multiple times just in like the last couple of months where fact checkers will say,

00:17:33.900 will cite the person who's under fire as the authoritative source of a debunking or a significant source of a debunking.

00:17:40.220 And it's really insane. Like it's when the New York Times says Trump has cited without evidence or suggested without evidence.

00:17:46.400 It's fascinating because it's actually them who is doing the same thing.

00:17:51.360 They are the ones who are asserting without evidence.

00:17:54.620 How could she be the debunker if she's the bunker? You cannot be both.

00:17:59.580 No, of course. And they're the ones who have less evidence than the Trump campaign.

00:18:03.980 The Trump campaign has that excellent reporting from the Free Beacon.

00:18:06.500 And on top of it, everything you just said, Megan, which is that if Kamala Harris could substantiate this persuasively,

00:18:13.160 she absolutely would be because she would love those pictures of her in the outfit.

00:18:18.140 She would love telling those anecdotes. I think she's mentioned something about the fries, but she would love to talk about it.

00:18:23.500 She would love to draw attention to it, but she's not.

00:18:26.560 And so here we have, you know, people may say it's just the McDonald's claim, blah, blah, blah.

00:18:31.160 But to a lot of voters, it's she's she's talked about it and it's become a part of her narrative about understanding the plight of the middle class.

00:18:39.340 And if you are a middle class American right now, if you work at McDonald's right now, if your family member works at McDonald's,

00:18:44.440 that's that really sucks to be lied to that way by the presidential candidate.

00:18:49.020 It doesn't matter to people. It's not just a silly non story.

00:18:52.300 It is real and it does have real implications for the way people are making up their minds right now.

00:18:56.540 It's so insane. Hold on a second. I'm just getting something from my producer here.

00:19:02.840 Oh, yeah, yeah. OK, we'll get to that.

00:19:07.060 It's led to not just the New York Times piece comparing this to birtherism.

00:19:13.020 I'm going to play you some other sound, but let me just give you this because it dropped this morning from Newsweek.

00:19:17.660 Ready? An inspection report for the McDonald's restaurant in Pennsylvania cited employees

00:19:24.640 not having hands clean and properly washed.

00:19:29.860 They literally it says McDonald's Trump worked at failed last health inspection.

00:19:35.780 That's what the media is doing today.

00:19:38.320 He oh, he he went to a dirty McDonald's.

00:19:42.480 He's what?

00:19:44.500 Who at Newsweek would say, yes, get that up there.

00:19:48.220 Tweet it. Get it out.

00:19:49.580 Eliana, you run a newspaper. You run a publication.

00:19:52.140 How did somebody say, yes, that's good.

00:19:56.160 Go with it. At Newsweek.

00:19:59.100 I mean, that's it. That's it.

00:20:01.320 I think this is going to tip the election.

00:20:05.300 McDonald's failed the health inspection.

00:20:07.920 I mean, if anything, all clicks.

00:20:10.520 Donald Trump would have liked to have seen that before he went there because he's a germaphobe.

00:20:14.880 I guess suppose and Megan, he had he had a moment.

00:20:18.680 He had this hilarious moment when he was being sort of instructed on how to scoop the fries into the fry container.

00:20:25.060 He turned to the camera and he marveled and said, never touches the human hand.

00:20:29.820 He said that actually yesterday.

00:20:32.480 He made a point to note that when he was scooping the fries.

00:20:35.180 He said, it's so good.

00:20:37.240 OK, so here is an August of this year ad from Kamala Harris touting her alleged history working at McDonald's.

00:20:52.280 She grew up in a middle class home.

00:20:54.980 She was the daughter of a working mom and she worked at McDonald's while she got her degree.

00:21:00.080 Kamala Harris knows what it's like to be middle class.

00:21:02.420 OK, she knows what it's like, Eliana.

00:21:06.120 A few days later, The Washington Post reported on the ad, writing, quote, Harris is making her stint at the Golden Arches a part of her story, end quote.

00:21:15.520 Other outlets, including The New York Times, CNN, Politico and ABC News also repeated the claim, relying on Harris's testimony alone as evidence.

00:21:23.300 The New York Times and Politico reported she worked at McDonald's between her freshman and sophomore years in college.

00:21:29.240 So there we go.

00:21:30.600 She puts it out there.

00:21:31.400 Everybody runs with it.

00:21:33.020 And only the free beacon starts kicking the tires to say, did she?

00:21:38.780 Did she?

00:21:39.320 It's the same way that as they've all run with she grew up middle class when she absolutely does not appear to have grown up middle class.

00:21:45.260 Both of her parents were PhDs and she did not.

00:21:47.740 She's not from Oakland either.

00:21:49.980 She grew up in Canada, right?

00:21:51.800 I mean, like she's got all these little details about her bio, much like her running mate, that she falsely emphasizes to make herself look a certain way that actually don't pan out.

00:22:01.440 And what that doesn't capture is that actually the campaign's initial claim was that she worked at McDonald's to pay her way through school, which you're right.

00:22:17.100 Both the parents were PhDs and the mother was a pioneering cancer researcher.

00:22:22.660 And that's not the type of person that pays their way through school unless the parents make them.

00:22:31.980 And that isn't the case.

00:22:34.080 And the campaign was forced to admit that.

00:22:36.320 And there was just no coverage of the fact outside the free beacon that the campaign story had actually changed on this.

00:22:43.660 And what I really marvel at is you see everywhere that Donald Trump is claiming without evidence that she never worked at McDonald's.

00:22:52.420 He has as much evidence for his claim, if not more, than she has for her claim to have held this job.

00:22:59.200 You know, she's offered no evidence for it.

00:23:01.400 So but you will you will never see a sentence in any of these outlets saying that she is claimed without evidence.

00:23:08.500 So what you have instead is a media in full on meltdown that he went at all.

00:23:12.960 Like, this is ridiculous what he did.

00:23:16.400 You know, who does he think he's fooling?

00:23:18.640 This was staged.

00:23:20.920 This is what we keep getting, that this was.

00:23:23.120 Oh, that part was amazing.

00:23:25.160 That's my favorite thing, that this was staged.

00:23:27.080 So this is back to Newsweek.

00:23:29.560 Rumors have been circulating on social media that former President Donald Trump's visit to the popular fast food chain was staged.

00:23:38.600 In response to which, Emily, a Twitter follow, Sean Agnew tweets.

00:23:44.860 Wait, he wasn't actually hired as the new fry guy?

00:23:50.560 Yeah, no, it was anybody didn't understand this.

00:23:54.980 And let me give you a little bit more of the media reaction here in Sot3.

00:23:58.260 Former President Donald Trump put on an apron today to pull off a political stunt in Bucks County, Pennsylvania.

00:24:07.960 There's no logic to it.

00:24:09.420 It's a stunt.

00:24:10.600 He, as you know, is appears to be not well.

00:24:14.420 And he's engaged in some really bizarre types of activities during this campaign.

00:24:20.920 The McDonald's thing can be summarized as yet another event we see as a buffoonish disaster.

00:24:27.360 But his cultists and bosses think was a triumph of populism.

00:24:31.860 She actually worked in a McDonald's.

00:24:33.620 She didn't go and pander and disrespect McDonald's workers by standing there in your red tie and take a picture.

00:24:39.540 Okay, that was Tim Walsh on The View just a moment ago in that last bit there, calling this a pander and a disrespectful thing to do.

00:24:51.860 That Trump was disrespecting, Emily, actual McDonald's workers.

00:24:56.160 How?

00:24:56.720 I mean, that's a crazy position for the campaign to take.

00:25:02.460 They should just say, you know, we're focused on, you know, things beyond political pandering or whatever.

00:25:07.800 I'm not a Democratic campaign strategist by the grace of God.

00:25:11.820 But to say that Donald Trump, who is going to, I mean, he's going so viral.

00:25:15.760 The entire country is enjoying the memes.

00:25:18.560 Whether people, like, actually are going to vote for Donald Trump or not, everyone is enjoying the memes.

00:25:23.940 And you don't want to, Tim Walsh, look like you're utterly humorless and accuse him,

00:25:28.180 who is having these, like, actually pretty natural conversations that Tim Walsh could never have in front of cameras with McDonald's employees

00:25:35.500 and with people going through the drive-thru.

00:25:37.560 I mean, Tim Walsh doesn't have an ounce of the charisma that Donald Trump has, whether you love Trump or hate him.

00:25:42.480 He's very successful in those types of interactions.

00:25:45.460 So to position yourself as humorless instead of just moving on to another topic is really, really stupid of the campaign.

00:25:55.680 And the media in general, I mean, I feel like I get triggered every time I hear Keith Olbermann talk in that cadence,

00:26:01.640 like, you know, it's 2007 again.

00:26:03.460 But it's, again, they look completely humorous.

00:26:06.480 They have learned zero, zero lessons from 2016 and 2020, which is that actually sometimes it'll make their case stronger

00:26:13.920 to give Trump a W where he's actually earned it.

00:26:17.700 Because then they can begin the work of genuinely persuading people who might see Trump at McDonald's

00:26:23.440 and be like, oh, he's pretty friendly and approachable and he seems to get along with normal human beings

00:26:28.440 like no other politicians are able to.

00:26:30.820 And they don't actually ever address that.

00:26:33.280 They just treat him like he's Mussolini and he's terrible at all of this.

00:26:38.300 And it makes it very hard for them to connect with swing voters, I think, when they react like that.

00:26:42.780 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:26:43.980 So, Eliana, this is this is what stuck me over the weekend.

00:26:48.320 Mediaite, which used to be actually an interesting website, now has gone far left.

00:26:51.920 I mean, every single post on there is trying to hurt Trump, every single one.

00:26:56.360 They're obviously on a mission to bring him down.

00:26:58.520 And they post over the weekend the following.

00:27:01.800 Trump serves up McDonald's drive-thru orders and claims Harris lied about working there in all-time bizarre photo op.

00:27:12.180 It's bizarre for a presidential candidate to go into a restaurant and to actually serve the food there.

00:27:18.980 I mean, this kind of thing has been done for time immemorium.

00:27:21.780 But that's you heard the same messaging from that.

00:27:24.700 Who was that?

00:27:25.460 Barbara Lee on MSNBC.

00:27:27.520 I think it was who we listened there.

00:27:29.420 Bizarre.

00:27:30.160 That was he's bizarre.

00:27:31.120 And this dovetails perfectly with the messaging that they're putting out there these days around Trump.

00:27:35.920 Like, Trump's he's he's lost it.

00:27:38.960 You know, he's he's just he's out like he's they're easing into he's got dementia.

00:27:44.800 He's crazy.

00:27:46.020 He's infirm.

00:27:47.300 And they have to ease into it because they're, of course, the chief deniers of dementia when it's looking them in the face.

00:27:57.240 So they really want to say that all of this Trump showing up there was so weird.

00:28:02.660 It was like elderly weird.

00:28:04.240 If you know what we're saying, wink, wink, hint, hint.

00:28:06.620 But they can't explicitly say it.

00:28:08.440 So it's just trust us.

00:28:10.300 He's starting to lose it.

00:28:12.160 The whole thing is infuriating.

00:28:14.840 But it's also obvious.

00:28:17.640 Well, that's the Harris campaign message, which is why they're saying that.

00:28:21.580 I don't really think it's more complicated than that.

00:28:24.320 But after trying out a few different messages, the first was joy.

00:28:31.400 You know, I can't even recall what the other iterations of her message were between between then and now.

00:28:38.740 But she has settled on he's dangerous.

00:28:41.260 He's senile.

00:28:42.520 He's crazy.

00:28:44.180 And so that's why you see her allies adopting the same message.

00:28:48.800 But the other factor is that I just don't think these people see and take in events and information the way that independent voters or swing voters do.

00:29:02.080 And I genuinely think they may perceive it that way.

00:29:07.520 And and so that's what's leading to, you know, we saw polls last week indicating that voters have historic distrust in the media.

00:29:17.740 I genuinely just think that the the folks who write for and run the legacy publications process these events differently and have very different reactions to them than the normal people do.

00:29:33.860 She's just I mean, they're just not very good at this.

00:29:36.240 I mean, I I feel like the Obama team would have had a response out in 30 seconds along the lines of he wants to serve the McDonald's work.

00:29:46.740 He wants to do the McDonald's workers jobs.

00:29:49.740 We want to make sure the McDonald's workers get paid more.

00:29:52.700 We actually want to help the McDonald's workers.

00:29:54.820 We're going to help them buy a house.

00:29:56.220 We're going to help them.

00:29:56.820 But whatever it would have been more articulate than that.

00:29:58.800 But my point is, it wouldn't have been he's bizarre.

00:30:01.300 He's disrespecting the McDonald's workers.

00:30:04.540 He's pandering.

00:30:05.560 Hello.

00:30:05.820 The whole entire campaign is a big pander.

00:30:07.600 And Trump did it gleefully, like with a smile.

00:30:11.720 He's in on the joke.

00:30:14.360 It is a different message.

00:30:15.800 And it's a different Kamala Harris than joy, just joyful.

00:30:19.740 And in the beginning, she didn't want to say anything negative.

00:30:22.080 You know, she was just going to be vibes and joy and brat.

00:30:25.560 And then listen to her just last week.

00:30:29.420 Take a listen to this.

00:30:30.160 And let us be very clear.

00:30:34.660 Someone who suggests we should terminate the Constitution of the United States

00:30:41.360 should never again stand behind the seal of the President of the United States.

00:30:51.100 Never again.

00:30:53.760 Never again.

00:30:56.440 Never again.

00:31:00.160 It's not feeling that joyful.

00:31:03.460 She did it at every campaign stop that was in Wisconsin.

00:31:06.000 But we could have shown you five others.

00:31:08.280 Every campaign stop.

00:31:09.700 She's it's the new angry Kamala because, well, we'll get to the polling, Emily.

00:31:14.580 But it's because she thinks she's losing.

00:31:17.180 That's my that's my clear belief.

00:31:19.880 Well, yeah, I think also the joy message is really I think it was important for the campaign

00:31:24.920 as she was being introduced to the American people.

00:31:28.540 And they desperately needed Democrats to get on board the coup train and say, like, this

00:31:34.340 was an acceptable outcome and this is all going to be great.

00:31:37.420 But the the mood of the American people is not joyful.

00:31:40.700 The mood of the American people is that, you know, this is why your point about Obama,

00:31:45.340 how they may have responded to McDonald's thing is important.

00:31:48.180 Like all the Harris campaign had to do was put out a single sentence response and stick

00:31:53.120 to that script when you're sending walls on the view.

00:31:55.020 Say, all right, so Donald Trump, we have one question for you.

00:31:57.920 Will you raise the minimum wage?

00:31:59.380 Something like that.

00:31:59.900 Do you support a living wage?

00:32:01.040 Whatever.

00:32:01.760 But because they are so tethered to what they see as the concerns of the American people

00:32:08.160 being vastly about democracy and all of that, you know, I'm not saying there aren't people

00:32:12.840 who have those concerns.

00:32:14.280 But the mood of the country is angry and upset because people feel like they are suffering

00:32:18.140 and they're terrified about the direction of the country.

00:32:20.800 And it seems like the Harris campaign is discovering this two weeks before the election, literally

00:32:25.720 figuring this out about two weeks before the election.

00:32:28.280 And it's something that Donald Trump, this is what he knew in 2015 when he was running

00:32:32.080 with a bunch of other Republicans.

00:32:33.580 This is what he tapped into that no other politicians were really willing to understand

00:32:38.720 and acknowledge about the American people.

00:32:40.960 So it's really no hard thing for a political candidate to get at this point.

00:32:45.740 But it's really hard for the Harris campaign when they are running as a change candidate,

00:32:49.940 but also an incumbent.

00:32:51.520 I mean, it's just an impossible square to have to circle.

00:32:54.960 And so not only did they they are they getting to it too late?

00:32:58.040 It's just a really, really hard message for them to sell, period.

00:33:01.620 I thought of the line.

00:33:03.180 He would have said.

00:33:05.160 Trump wants to serve the McDonald's food.

00:33:07.920 We want to serve the McDonald's workers.

00:33:10.900 Hashtag.

00:33:11.480 You should do whatever.

00:33:13.220 Something simple.

00:33:13.920 I'm just saying, you know what?

00:33:17.360 They should call me, even though I don't really want to help them.

00:33:19.160 But they should they should listen to the show, because sometimes I give the advice

00:33:21.360 away for free.

00:33:23.660 The media has also made a lot of hay about Trump's comment about Arnold Palmer.

00:33:32.040 Arnold Palmer, famous golfer.

00:33:34.300 I mean, I'm like more famous than Tiger Woods, arguably.

00:33:37.740 I mean, they're one and two or two and one, whichever.

00:33:40.580 Whatever. And Trump went to Arnold Palmer's hometown in Pennsylvania over the weekend and

00:33:49.960 got to storytelling.

00:33:51.480 It was one of his rallies.

00:33:52.560 The way he does.

00:33:53.160 If you listen to Trump rallies, he's always telling you some sort of story.

00:33:56.460 And part of the fun is he's a celebrity.

00:33:58.520 He's been a celebrity his whole life.

00:33:59.600 So he's got a story about everyone and everything.

00:34:02.100 And it's kind of fun to hear his stories about these people since he was in Arnold Palmer's

00:34:08.120 hometown and sort of playing on, hey, Arnold Palmer, a great golfer.

00:34:11.940 He took a turn on his story of Arnold Palmer, though not in the explicit terms the media would

00:34:16.920 have you believe.

00:34:18.160 Oh, the reference was obvious.

00:34:19.500 Here's here it is.

00:34:20.160 Arnold Palmer was all man.

00:34:23.300 And I say that in all due respect to women and I love women.

00:34:27.320 But this guy, this guy, this is a guy that was all man.

00:34:35.700 This man was strong and tough.

00:34:37.960 And I refuse to say it.

00:34:40.560 But when he took showers with the other pros, they came out of there.

00:34:45.300 They said, oh, my God.

00:34:49.360 That's unbelievable.

00:34:51.620 I had to say it.

00:34:53.640 I had to say it.

00:34:55.160 We have women that are highly sophisticated here.

00:34:58.180 But they used to look at Arnold Elizabeth.

00:35:00.640 But he was really something special.

00:35:03.000 And I had to tell you the shower part of it because it's true.

00:35:07.100 What can I tell?

00:35:08.520 We want to be honest.

00:35:09.980 We want to be upfront.

00:35:11.000 It's true.

00:35:14.920 I want to be honest.

00:35:17.240 To the jury that this is part of Trump's comedy routine.

00:35:20.380 Like he's doing stand up and the media just doesn't either get it or I don't know.

00:35:28.840 Like here's a friend of mine, Jake Tapper, not getting it, not appreciating it over on CNN.

00:35:35.160 You're talking about substantive issues.

00:35:38.420 Is this really the closing message you want voters to hear from Donald Trump, stories about

00:35:42.380 Arnold Palmer's penis?

00:35:45.300 Speaker Mike Johnson here.

00:35:46.880 Well, listen, I think that the headline that I read about the rally in Pennsylvania yesterday

00:35:51.680 was the big question.

00:35:52.980 And it's the one that Kamala Harris has not been able or willing to answer.

00:35:56.100 And that is, are you better off now than you were under the Trump administration four years ago?

00:36:00.860 But if President Biden had gone on stage and spoke about the size of a pro golfer's penis,

00:36:08.940 I think you would be on this show right now saying you were shocked and appalled.

00:36:13.360 And you would suggest it was evidence of his cognitive decline.

00:36:17.440 Why is he talking about Arnold Palmer's penis in front of Pennsylvania voters?

00:36:24.000 Jake, you seem to like that line a lot.

00:36:26.060 Let me tell you that Donald Trump is doing rallies around the country.

00:36:30.200 Let me just say something.

00:36:31.420 I don't want to be talking about this.

00:36:33.880 Donald Trump is out there saying it.

00:36:35.500 I mean, truly, what kind of a former president would take the national stage

00:36:42.340 and make a de-reference about another person?

00:36:46.560 Like, who?

00:36:47.540 It would cause every media personality to go into full meltdown.

00:36:51.520 I mean, Jake and everyone else, would it not?

00:36:54.760 Or wait.

00:36:57.580 There's the childish nicknames.

00:37:00.280 The crazy conspiracy theories.

00:37:03.100 There's this weird obsession with crowd sizes.

00:37:14.560 For the listening audience, he was using his hands to show large versus small in accordion style.

00:37:21.460 So what do you guys make of Arnold Palmer references?

00:37:25.600 Eliana?

00:37:27.340 I don't actually think that the media is scandalized by this.

00:37:31.540 I think they know that Trump's appeal is that he's vulgar and funny.

00:37:36.200 And this is precisely what his supporters like about him.

00:37:40.700 What he said was funny and amusing.

00:37:42.960 And it's the kind of thing that people go home and tell their families.

00:37:46.540 You won't believe what he said.

00:37:48.120 And people laugh about it.

00:37:50.160 But I think they're saying this because this is the Harris campaign's message.

00:37:55.160 And so they are repeating it in turn.

00:37:59.600 I think they feel compelled to say it because they dislike him so much and they want her to win.

00:38:05.600 I don't really think there's more to it than that.

00:38:07.800 But I have a hard time believing that they're really scandalized by that.

00:38:12.140 It was it was amazing.

00:38:13.600 It was totally in keeping with Trump's personality and his sense of humor.

00:38:18.300 Trump made these jokes in 2016 during the debates.

00:38:22.280 He I was there.

00:38:23.440 I moderated that debate.

00:38:24.800 Right.

00:38:25.060 He and Rubio had it out.

00:38:26.380 I was 10 feet away from him.

00:38:27.060 Kind of stuff.

00:38:28.120 It's not like a new thing that's evidence of decline.

00:38:31.520 This is completely in keeping with who he is.

00:38:34.260 Yeah, I will give some credit to David Axelrod for a good tweet and response who wrote, wonder

00:38:42.020 if Trump will continue to ask, talk about Arnold Palmer's long game.

00:38:47.460 The whole weird episode raises two questions.

00:38:51.380 Why is this such a fascination with Trump?

00:38:52.980 And two, can we ever again innocently say, give me an Arnold Palmer?

00:39:00.560 It's kind of funny.

00:39:02.300 That's good.

00:39:02.840 There is a fair amount of maybe feigned disdain for the comment in the media today, though,

00:39:09.360 Emily, same as there is feigned disdain for his, quote, disrespect, as Tim Wall said, toward

00:39:15.780 McDonald's workers and showing up at their place of of of employment and doing their job

00:39:21.960 and learning about their job and calling national attention to how hard they work.

00:39:26.600 I mean, virtually.

00:39:27.920 Yeah, exactly.

00:39:28.580 And which he did.

00:39:29.340 He kept repeating like this is a hard job.

00:39:31.260 It's a hard job.

00:39:32.040 I see what these guys are doing.

00:39:33.220 I love McDonald's.

00:39:34.080 Every ounce of it.

00:39:34.820 He kept repeating that nobody in the rest of the country is interpreting the stunt.

00:39:40.820 It's a campaign stunt.

00:39:41.740 Of course, everybody knows that.

00:39:42.860 Nobody's stupid.

00:39:43.620 But nobody is interpreting it in the way that the media is.

00:39:46.880 I mean, what maybe like a couple of resistance wine moms are, but not the rest of the country.

00:39:51.720 And it's the same thing with what CNN referred to as a vulgar anecdote about genitalia that

00:39:57.780 was on the chyron as Jake Tapper was speaking.

00:39:59.980 And you just have this out of body moment watching Donald Trump with a bunch of guys in hard

00:40:04.540 hats behind him.

00:40:05.640 And then CNN referring to a very, very innocuous anodyne joke as a, quote, vulgar anecdote about

00:40:12.680 genitalia.

00:40:13.420 It's like, have you guys stepped outside of your newsroom to do anything normal with people

00:40:19.380 that doesn't involve like you reporting on them like they're zoo creatures in the last

00:40:23.240 10 years?

00:40:23.880 Have you actually sat down for a meal or beer with somebody in a normal part of America

00:40:29.360 where that's appealing to?

00:40:30.780 Have you thought about this at all?

00:40:32.340 I mean, I think that's to Eliana's point, it's being pushed by the Harris campaign, which

00:40:37.240 is why the media is just more primed to think it's important and to latch onto it and regurgitate

00:40:41.740 it.

00:40:42.040 But nobody in the rest of the country would listen to what he just said.

00:40:46.540 I mean, maybe there's I shouldn't deny.

00:40:48.400 I mean, I think there are some people, especially probably like affluent suburban women who don't

00:40:53.040 like that and roll their eyes and it does make them less likely to vote for Trump or

00:40:57.640 whatever. But that's a small part of the country.

00:41:00.860 Most people watching that would think it was funny or would never think to put it in a

00:41:04.700 headline and be the big takeaway.

00:41:06.540 I think Mike Johnson actually had a great line there.

00:41:08.480 They wouldn't think that that was the takeaway from the rally.

00:41:11.060 So it's just the media being completely, completely out of touch after now having 10 years,

00:41:17.040 10 years, well, I guess eight years, almost a full decade to reckon with what Donald Trump

00:41:21.680 was shoving in front of their face.

00:41:23.240 And more than 10 years since the Great Recession and since some of these fissures became completely

00:41:28.540 obvious, their lack of understanding of the rest of the country became completely obvious

00:41:33.120 and they're getting worse, not better, which is really depressing.

00:41:37.120 I mean, I think Trump meant it as a compliment.

00:41:40.220 You know, he was trying to tell a nice story about our show me the man who does not want that

00:41:46.040 kind of thing being said about him.

00:41:47.480 I mean, that's just the truth.

00:41:48.500 He thought he was paying homage to this great golfer in his hometown.

00:41:53.220 Like, in addition to all the great things you already know about him, there's this one

00:41:56.440 too.

00:41:57.200 I agree with you.

00:41:58.160 I think there's a certain collection of women in particular who won't like it.

00:42:00.680 I don't think it has to do with the affluence.

00:42:02.140 It has to do with probably older, older women who are more, you know, proper than say we are

00:42:08.240 and or I am.

00:42:09.740 And maybe maybe like evangelicals.

00:42:14.020 I don't know.

00:42:14.340 They seem to have forgiven Trump for all of his other, you know, comments along those

00:42:18.600 lines.

00:42:18.880 So I doubt this is going to cause most problems.

00:42:21.120 But I do want to point this out.

00:42:22.740 So apparently on The View, Tim Walls did go on to make a quick remark about the minimum

00:42:29.920 wage angle and hit Trump for it, but only after attacking him for his tie.

00:42:35.120 Honestly, I think they wanted these guys in the tank top.

00:42:37.340 They wanted him in like a stained tank top with like a tat on his bicep or they're not

00:42:43.960 going to accept or they're going to hit him for being somehow not genuine in this role.

00:42:48.220 And that brings me to more from The New York Times where the fashion critic felt the need

00:42:54.500 to weigh in Eliana.

00:42:56.960 The fashion critic Jacob Gallagher headlines the piece French cuffs and French fries at Donald

00:43:02.300 Trump's McDonald's gig.

00:43:03.520 Was he really dressed the part?

00:43:06.400 No, no, concludes Jacob Gallagher.

00:43:08.520 He wasn't.

00:43:09.460 He didn't change into the pedestrian dark shirt and slip resistant shoes like the rest

00:43:14.860 of the McDonald's staff.

00:43:16.640 Mr. Trump didn't plop on a McDonald's branded visor.

00:43:20.540 He was certainly the only man at the franchise on Sunday packing orders in a shirt with French

00:43:25.580 cuffs and then goes on to point out to us French cuff shirts, which are fastened with

00:43:31.380 cufflinks at the wrist, Mr. Trump's naturally were gold, are an increasing anachronism for

00:43:38.420 many American men.

00:43:39.600 There's something to be worn, if ever, at weddings.

00:43:43.720 Then points out that arriving at his rally later in the afternoon, Mr. Trump's blue sport

00:43:49.420 coat was back on.

00:43:50.840 The apron was nowhere in sight.

00:43:53.120 Aha, he doesn't wear an apron anywhere but McDonald's, and he misjudged the moment by

00:44:00.420 wearing his French cuffs.

00:44:02.600 Eliana, how did you guys miss this at the Free Beacon?

00:44:06.240 It's like you're phoning it in over there.

00:44:07.880 Um, this is like the most, if there was an article best geared for New York Times readers, it would

00:44:17.180 be this.

00:44:17.740 This is like primo content for the, uh, you know, left wing urban set that the 78 year old

00:44:26.020 presidential candidate isn't on top of the latest fashions, um, is wearing outdated dress,

00:44:33.360 dress shirts, um, yeah, again, I, I have to think that, um, Trump's voters just aren't seeing things

00:44:40.700 this way, um, they're not upset he didn't wear the visor or the slip-resistant shoes or whatever,

00:44:48.180 um, I just think they're not seeing it like this, um, not, not offended by his cufflinks or that he's not

00:44:56.880 wearing the latest fashions, and, uh, do have to say, I think Kamala's looked pretty, pretty great on

00:45:02.500 the campaign trail, um, you know, it looks pretty great on the, on the campaign trail. I think,

00:45:08.600 I think Harris's looked pretty great on the campaign trail, you know, she's constantly

00:45:12.780 dressed in multi-thousand dollar outfits. Yes. Yeah, exactly. She's not, she's not trying to go

00:45:17.940 woman of the people either in her, in her fashion. I do want to say this. So you've got Anna Navarro,

00:45:23.140 um, from the view tweeting out, does McDonald's hire convicted felons? Um, okay. So by the way,

00:45:32.020 uh, but you're not actually allowed to call Trump that until his appeal is settled, but okay. Um,

00:45:37.780 isn't it your side that's constantly bitching about the fact that convicted felons cannot get

00:45:41.160 jobs, Anna? I mean, just making sure, because I'm pretty sure that this is a big thing on the left,

00:45:46.280 that we need to make it easier for people who've been to prison to find jobs when they get out.

00:45:49.960 And here's the Drudge Report, which I only recently learned is no longer owned by Drudge,

00:45:55.620 which explains so much. Maybe George Soros bought this in connection with his big radio buy since

00:46:03.560 he's trying to take over conservative media. And the headline was a picture of Ronald McDonald

00:46:08.520 looking sad. And it says, McDonald, McDonald, one fry short of a happy meal, felon finds work.

00:46:17.820 Then they want to lecture Trump about being mean, Emily. Then they want to tell us he's nasty.

00:46:27.020 Our campaign is the joyful one. You and your surrogates strike below the belt and America

00:46:33.160 doesn't like it. When you're also making the grave error, Megan, of assuming that Anna Navarro is coming

00:46:39.980 to this with any principles that she could even confuse to begin with. I don't, I don't think

00:46:45.100 actually has like a set of ideological principles. I don't know that she ever did or does anymore.

00:46:50.800 And that's true of actually a lot of the people who are attacking Donald Trump for not being

00:46:55.000 principled and not being coherently ideological is we see them constantly doing exactly what they

00:47:01.460 accused Donald Trump of doing because they basically aren't rooted in anything solid.

00:47:06.180 Their principle is that Donald Trump must be stopped at all costs. So that leads to,

00:47:11.420 you know, it's a principle that I don't agree with some people on the right when they espouse it

00:47:14.900 either. But that leads to, you know, going away from some of the things you're holding other

00:47:19.460 people to doing the exact same thing. I should say that you're telling other people that they

00:47:23.460 should never do or that it's bad to do. We see it over and over and over again with Donald Trump.

00:47:28.820 It's, you know, he's, he's too focused on trivial details, whatever. And then they put out a New

00:47:33.080 York Times report on his cufflinks, which by the way, I would be willing to bet most Trump voters

00:47:37.680 do not own cufflinks even for weddings. So it's just amazing. Yeah, he knows that. It speaks to

00:47:45.800 his authenticity. He doesn't care. He is who he is. He's not going to pander in that way.

00:47:51.720 The Washington Post, not to be outdone, they didn't focus on the fashion, but they too were

00:47:57.100 upset that he served McDonald's fries to supporters in stage managed campaign stop. And there's reporting

00:48:04.640 everywhere today about how the people who went through the drive through had been pre-screened

00:48:09.740 by the Secret Service and that they had closed down the McDonald's. It wasn't actually open for

00:48:15.720 business when he was doing as, as if they're going to take the twice, possibly thrice, nearly

00:48:22.020 assassinated former president and just pop them in there. Surprise, Eliana, surprise. It's Donald Trump

00:48:27.740 and let some rando lunatic who might hate him drive through and say, oh, I'll take care of this

00:48:33.280 election problem right here now. It's absurd. Of course, they made sure he was secure in an effort

00:48:40.040 to do this. Everyone with eyes and ears and a brain already knew that. Of course. I mean, this was a 15

00:48:48.380 minute choreographed campaign gig. Of course, it was pre-screened people. I do think that was pretty

00:48:58.500 clear to people, but it was also ingenious and that the interactions did look sort of spontaneous and

00:49:03.580 genuine. That's what was pretty smart about it. And I think Emily sort of alluded to this before

00:49:08.920 that. That's why much of the press is, is resentful and angry about it.

00:49:15.980 Mm hmm. All right. So there's a lot more to get to. Kamala Harris is back with her weird accents out on

00:49:22.080 the campaign trail. And her husband, Doug Emhoff, goes out there to with the weirdest, you know,

00:49:30.500 how they're trying to appeal to men. I mean, they continue to use him. Mistake. There's some free

00:49:34.700 advice. Mistake. He neither appeals to women anymore, given his history, nor to men. He's not the guy you

00:49:41.120 want to break through to men. I know you failed with Tim Walz. Doug Emhoff is not your guy. And here's

00:49:45.660 a little note to you. Uh, Andy Cohen and Ben Stiller are of no help either. We'll show you

00:49:52.620 what I'm referring to. And then we will get to Lizzo and her, her reach out to the working class

00:49:58.720 as she insults them while getting on her private jet. Don't go away. That's all right after the

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00:50:50.760 Okay. Well, 60 minutes is back in the news. Amazingly, they still won't release the transcript

00:51:00.420 of their interview with Kamala Harris. This is bizarre. This is getting truly bizarre to me that

00:51:07.520 they're holding onto this thing. Like it's the Holy grail and we're not allowed to see it. Um,

00:51:12.020 they come out with a, with like a statement now, because just to refresh the readers, I know they

00:51:17.460 know, but for those who have forgotten, because you know, you're living your lives and not obsessing

00:51:21.080 about this stuff like we are. Um, Kamala Harris went on 60 minutes. Kamala Harris gave this word salad

00:51:27.400 answer in response to questioning over Israel and Netanyahu. And we know that she gave a word salad

00:51:33.440 answer that made no sense because 60 minutes used that clip as the tease of its interview. And they

00:51:40.640 ran it on their Sunday show, uh, I think face the nation. And then again on Monday, uh, before they

00:51:47.320 aired the actual, actual interview with Kamala Harris or what purported to be the actual interview

00:51:53.240 Kamala Harris. Then when we got to 60 minutes, they played that same Q and a, but her answers were

00:51:57.480 different. She had a different answer in which she sounded much more cogent. And people started to

00:52:03.080 say, what happened? What happened to the word salad answer? And what does 60 minutes do to try to make

00:52:08.400 her look better? Turned into a whole thing. They wouldn't comment on it. Yada, yada. Trump demanded

00:52:12.360 an investigation. Trump said they didn't have their license pulled. Okay. Um, and it hasn't

00:52:19.360 subsided. There's been calls even from the outside, former 60 minutes or CBS employees demanding that

00:52:24.560 investigation be held and, or at least that they released the transcript. If there's nothing to

00:52:30.140 hide, just release the transcript. And this whole thing goes away. If you didn't do anything unethical.

00:52:36.560 So finally they issue a statement. They do not release the transcript nor even, you know, a more robust

00:52:43.400 exchange or transcript of what happened in that segment of the interview. All they do is put out

00:52:50.640 the following. Former president Donald Trump is accusing 60 minutes of deceitful editing of our

00:52:56.240 October 7th interview with Kamala Harris. It's not just Donald Trump. I mean, it's, it's gone well

00:53:01.180 beyond Donald Trump. That is false. The deceitful editing charge 60 minutes gave an excerpt of our

00:53:08.520 interview to face the nation that used a longer section of her answer than that on 60 minutes.

00:53:18.600 Same question, same answer. So they want us to take their word for the fact that the super short

00:53:28.080 phrase that was used in the actual interview did come from the same answer as the word salad did.

00:53:34.640 Now, what we saw in 60 minutes was not just like 10 words that we heard in the 40 word salad version

00:53:43.240 that came out the day before. They, they weren't in the first word salad answer, which is why a lot

00:53:48.900 of us were like, where did that come from? Did that even come from the same answer? Or did it come from

00:53:54.560 later down in the transcript? They seem to be saying it came from the same answer, but there's absolutely

00:54:00.620 no proof of that. Just 60 minutes words that it was in response to the same question and part of the

00:54:07.840 same answer. So honestly, then at least put out a transcript of the full answer. Just do that at a

00:54:14.700 minimum. Just do that. Put out a, put out a transcript of the full answer so we can see where you pulled

00:54:20.000 from. And how much more was there, by the way? Was there a whole bunch more? How much did you do to

00:54:25.320 cover up for her and make her sound more cogent again than she was? Uh, so he said, they say same

00:54:31.780 question, same answer, but a different portion of the response. When we edit any interview, whether

00:54:38.140 a politician, athlete, a movie star, we strive to be clear, accurate, and on point. The portion of her

00:54:45.300 answer on 60 was much, was more succinct, which allows time for other subjects in a wide ranging 21

00:54:53.400 minute long segment. Then amazingly, they go back to this. Remember Mr. Trump pulled out of his

00:55:01.360 interview with 60 minutes and the vice president participated. Our longstanding invitation to former

00:55:06.540 president Trump remains open. If he would like to discuss the issues facing the nation and the Harris

00:55:11.100 interview, we would be happy to have him on 60 minutes. Just in case you had any doubt, Emily of

00:55:16.840 their hackery, they begin and end with Donald Trump. Trump is the one making the accusation.

00:55:24.060 No, it's most of the nation at this point who sees what you did, at least the right half. And it ends

00:55:30.340 with, he's the one who pulled out of his interview. And if he has something he wants to say, he can say

00:55:34.440 it to our face. That's really what they did here. What do you make of it? Well, yeah. And remember

00:55:39.440 60 minutes, the reason Donald Trump pulled out of the interview is because of how terrible of a job

00:55:44.300 you have done through his argument. That's the crucial part of this. He didn't just pull out

00:55:48.960 of the interview. He's making an argument himself that they have done a horrible job covering his

00:55:55.100 career, covering his politics since 2016, since that Leslie Stahl hatchet job. Like Donald Trump,

00:56:01.080 it's not just coming out of absolutely nowhere. They've been more favorable to Kamala Harris than

00:56:05.240 they have to Donald Trump. So if you're going to throw that jab, I mean, again, I think it makes

00:56:09.460 them look bad. It makes them look bitter. And it makes them look like they're doubling down on

00:56:15.260 something that most people would look at and say, all right, obviously there's a problem. We saw A, we

00:56:21.580 saw B, and you're not letting us see the actual transcript itself. So we know that there's a

00:56:26.540 discrepancy. You've already proven that. You've already proven one part that you aired is different

00:56:31.520 than the spirit of another part that you aired. You've already proven that the editing is deceptive.

00:56:35.640 So, because we know, we know what one of the answer, we know one of the answers looked differently

00:56:41.480 than the other answer. So we know that there was manipulation period. And the only way to disprove

00:56:46.160 this would be to release the transcript and you won't do that. And I think maybe the bigger picture

00:56:49.980 part of this is CBS. And I would say a lot of other dinosaurs of corporate media, but especially those

00:56:55.900 broadcast networks are not remotely prepared for this new era of news consumer. They don't understand

00:57:03.780 this generation of news consumer. They think they can get away with this by doubling down

00:57:08.200 instead of losing the trust of like actually probably millions of people around the country

00:57:12.260 who are looking at this and are saying, wow, you manipulated this. And by the way, people on both

00:57:17.140 sides of the Israel thing who are upset about this. So there's a lot of young people who don't agree

00:57:22.400 with us on these issues and are looking at CBS from the left and are upset about it. I mean,

00:57:28.620 it just, they're not, they're such dinosaurs. They think they can get away with this. They're

00:57:33.320 not prepared that now everybody is used to full transcripts. Everybody wants full transcripts.

00:57:38.380 They're used to it. They're used to seeing Trump on Theo Vaughn or Kamala Harris, even on call her

00:57:43.280 daddy, whatever this is, they can't get away with this stuff anymore. Um, I was saying to our team,

00:57:49.960 Eliana, that, I mean, of course I've been a part of countless interviews on camera of people that,

00:57:56.140 and where they're pre-taped and the person goes on and on. I mean, I'll tell you a famous one with

00:58:00.280 Donald Trump back in the 16 election. I said, Mr. Trump, would you give me an interview? And he

00:58:05.160 said, sure, but, um, do me a favor. I don't want to be edited because we had to pre-tape it. He

00:58:09.420 couldn't do it when I was live on the air. And I said, I said, no, I don't agree. And he's like,

00:58:13.620 I don't want to be edited. I'm like, well, I can't just cede the show to you. You know, we have to do

00:58:18.060 and I will edit it, but I will make sure all of your points, you know, the substantive points are

00:58:22.560 included, which is what happened. And sure enough, when I sat down with Trump, all he kept saying was

00:58:25.860 two things, China, China, China, and the wall, the wall, the wall. And that's fine. We cut it down.

00:58:32.140 He wanted me to have him reference those points 500 times. And in the end, it only wound up being

00:58:37.380 like 15 each. Okay. So that's normal. We do that all the time in, in television, but what's not

00:58:44.240 normal is to take a piece of the answer, um, that is not connected to the answer that you've released

00:58:52.040 as the answer and sub it in as the new answer in a way that reflects better on the candidate.

00:58:58.980 And then part two is when it blows up in your face and people are accusing you of trying to help her

00:59:06.060 as partisan hacks to not just say, I've got nothing to hide here. I'm not happily released that whole

00:59:11.600 transcript of Trump, China, China, China 500 times. It's you'd be bored to tears, but you'd be thanking me

00:59:16.820 for what I did there, but they won't, they won't even release the full transcript of this Q and a

00:59:23.780 Eliana, which is very strange and suggests to me, they do have something to hide.

00:59:31.840 So there are a lot of different angles to this. The first is about the answer itself. And CBS's

00:59:38.740 statement says, look, we did this for time. Well, actually, let me take a step back. It's interesting

00:59:46.100 that they essentially address their statement to Trump. Um, sure they do owe Donald Trump an

00:59:52.000 explanation, but they really owe an explanation to their viewers, many of whom have raised questions

00:59:57.660 about this. Um, and so I do think it's a red herring, uh, in their statement that they focus on Trump.

01:00:03.720 Um, second, with regard to the answer to this question itself, they say, you know, we made this

01:00:08.480 edit for the sake of time, which of course, you know, everybody knows that 60 minutes edits. Um,

01:00:14.900 but what is atypical here is that they teased one answer and they aired another. And that is

01:00:20.880 not typical. And that is why people raised questions and became confused. And I found it

01:00:27.020 striking that they don't cop to any error there. There was obviously a mistake made. Um, I wouldn't

01:00:33.800 be surprised if both clips are actually from the same answer, but clearly somebody made a mistake here

01:00:40.280 inside of CBS. I'm sure this is not how they planned for everything to go. Um, and then, uh,

01:00:47.040 they end the statement by complaining that Trump didn't grant them an interview when he doesn't owe

01:00:51.580 them anything. And that was really off key to me. Um, he does not owe CBS news a sit down. Um,

01:00:59.060 they in fact owe people an explanation for the mistake that was made here. And I do think it's

01:01:04.900 important to note that this is happening, um, against the backdrop of another scandal, um,

01:01:12.140 that's playing out at CBS, which is that the network president and the head of news, uh, called

01:01:20.080 morning news anchor, Tony Docapil on the carpet for his interview with Ta-Nehisi Coates. And then

01:01:26.920 the largest shareholder of Paramount, which owns CBS news, Shari Redstone has said she sided with Tony

01:01:34.420 Docapil on this. Um, and that has been a very public scandal playing out. And so something is not

01:01:43.360 right with CBS, the leadership of CBS to have these two highly public scandals playing out in the

01:01:50.720 newspapers two weeks, uh, before a presidential election. Not good. Yeah, no, there's, there's

01:01:58.140 definitely something very sketchy going on at CBS. They're in the midst of some sort of crisis. Um,

01:02:04.260 and I don't know, I, I guess we can assume if they say so that the answer we got on 60 came from the

01:02:12.400 actual answer to the question, but I'm not sure I'm ready to give them any benefit of the doubt.

01:02:18.160 We don't know. I mean, the other thing that's odd about this is that typically it's the candidate

01:02:24.240 and the interview subject that actually wants the whole transcript published. And they're saying I

01:02:29.580 was deceptively edited. That actually happened to Mike Johnson a couple of days later where

01:02:34.040 he released the full tape. There was somebody on his side who would tape the whole thing. That's

01:02:38.140 very typical for an interview subject. They're taping the whole thing. Um, and he did it and showed how

01:02:43.320 he was edited. It's weird that there's not a peep from Harris's side. It's weird for CBS news and the

01:02:50.100 Harris campaign to be taking the same position on this, which is hide the full transcript. It is

01:02:55.760 bizarre to me. They're not really good transcript. Of course, of course, but it is in these situations

01:03:02.660 for the interview subject, not to be the one upset by such a thing.

01:03:08.180 Yeah, that's right. Yeah. The one with Mike Johnson was on a face the nation the day before with, uh,

01:03:13.360 with Margaret Brennan in which he went off on how the FEMA response to hurricane Helene has been

01:03:17.900 absolutely dreadful. All cut out, cut out, cut out, cut out. I do want to show you something.

01:03:22.460 So we went back to the tease clip that had been released to face the nation and it's made news now

01:03:27.520 because the long word salad answer on Netanyahu's not listening was removed and something more

01:03:34.360 understandable was subbed in, but they also made an edit to the first question in the exchange.

01:03:39.800 The first question, um, setting up the Israel problem, elicited a very long rambling word salad

01:03:47.040 answer too. And on that one, by the time it hit 60, they did use part of what aired on face the nation,

01:03:55.000 but they clean that up too. They got it would have went rid of window dressing in front. And I think

01:04:00.020 of the back of it and made her sound once again, cleaner. So I'm going to try to show this to you.

01:04:05.240 Let's just start with the first question that was aired on face the nation. Okay. The, the question

01:04:13.220 would wind up the same on 60 minutes, but the answer would change. This one hasn't gotten that

01:04:18.540 much attention. And I'm just showing you each time they cleaned it up. I think to make her look

01:04:23.060 better. Here's the first question in the tease clip on face the nation. Does the U S have no sway

01:04:32.080 over prime minister Netanyahu? The aid that we have given Israel allowed Israel to defend itself

01:04:40.140 against 200 ballistic missiles that were just meant to attack the Israelis and the people of Israel.

01:04:48.580 And when we think about the threat that Hamas Hezbollah presents, um, Iran, um, I think that

01:04:57.640 it is without any question, our imperative to do what we can to allow Israel to defend itself against

01:05:03.660 those kinds of attacks. Now, the work that we do diplomatically with the leadership of Israel is an

01:05:09.860 ongoing pursuit around making clear our principles, which include the need for humanitarian aid,

01:05:18.820 the need for this war to end the need for a deal to be done, which would release the hostages and,

01:05:26.140 and, and create a ceasefire. And we're not going to stop in terms of putting that pressure on Israel.

01:05:32.320 Okay. So here's, what's interesting about that to, to the point that you were just making about how

01:05:39.300 she's also got trouble on her left flank, right? With the pro-Palestinian people in Michigan.

01:05:46.280 She, they don't like her. In fact, the latest polls show that the vast majority of voters actually

01:05:51.500 favor Trump over Harris when it comes to dealing with the Israel, Gaza, Israel, uh, Hamas conflict.

01:05:57.440 So she's got to worry about those left flankers in Michigan and 60 minutes knows that 60 minutes

01:06:04.100 wants Kamala Harris to win. Make no mistake about it. CBS news wants Kamala Harris to win. Make no

01:06:08.940 mistake about it. And they're in full meltdown right now over any challenges as Eliana points out

01:06:13.680 to the narrative that Israel's evil, uniformly evil. There aren't really two sides. Tony Dacopal tried

01:06:21.460 to, Dacopal tried to raise with Ta-Nehisi Coates, the fact that Israel's got some real defenses

01:06:26.440 to the claims that they're just genocidal maniacs and they're still dealing with the

01:06:31.020 full meltdown as a result of Tony doing that. Okay. So what did 60 minutes cut out in the version

01:06:37.900 that aired on its actual show? I'll read it to you. The aid that we've given Israel allowed Israel to

01:06:44.880 defend itself against 200 ballistic missiles that were just meant to attack the Israelis and the people

01:06:50.280 of Israel. And when we think about the threat that Hamas Hezbollah presents Iran, I think that is

01:06:56.400 without any question, our imperative is to do what we can to allow Israel to defend itself

01:07:03.580 against those kinds of attacks. All cut out from what aired on 60. What they aired was the work that

01:07:13.300 we do diplomatically with leadership. The leadership of Israel is an ongoing pursuit around making clear

01:07:19.160 our principles. Here, watch what she says. Does the U.S. have no sway over Prime Minister Netanyahu?

01:07:32.800 The work that we do diplomatically with the leadership of Israel is an ongoing pursuit

01:07:39.340 around making clear our principles.

01:07:42.000 You can see they edited out a bunch of stuff and went with a shorter answer. And I would submit

01:07:47.080 to you, Eliana, that it's probably not accidental that what they cleaned up was stuff that was pretty

01:07:54.400 pro-Israel on the front half there and then left it ambiguous so as not to offend either side.

01:08:01.720 And then they do the follow-up in which they get rid of all the word salad. And we've played that

01:08:05.840 difference time and time again. My point is simply release the transcript. What could it possibly

01:08:12.280 hurt other than your reputation if you did something unethical or hers if she sounds like

01:08:19.440 an idiot? If you did nothing unethical and she sounds dumb, then there's no question that you need

01:08:27.100 to release it, right? Like any journalist would say, it's not my job to make her sound smarter than

01:08:31.860 she is. I feel like it's one of those two things. Either they look unethical or she looks dumb or

01:08:39.060 both. Yeah, all we can do is speculate because I don't know why they're not releasing this transcript.

01:08:49.980 And my speculation has to be that in negotiating with the Harris campaign for her to sit down,

01:08:55.980 recall that when she agreed to sit down for this interview, it was at a point where she wasn't

01:09:02.280 actually doing a lot of interviews. That's a new phenomenon for her. I have to imagine that part of

01:09:08.300 the negotiation was that the network wouldn't release the transcript of the interview. That's

01:09:15.120 just a guess. I don't know that. But it's so damaging to the network not to release the transcript.

01:09:21.500 And their statement was frankly so nonsensical that I'm speculating that that must be the case.

01:09:30.400 I just think this is so interesting that if you go back and you look at that first question, Emily,

01:09:35.560 that the parts they cut out are the first part in which she clearly tries to say Israel's under attack

01:09:42.880 and we need to help them. And then there's the middle anodyne indecipherable part. And then there's

01:09:49.080 the third part, which is more pro Hamas, right? She's kind of trying to split the baby there

01:09:54.060 because she doesn't want to tick off the American Jews who support Israel and others who support

01:09:58.300 Israel. And she doesn't want to tick off the people in Michigan. So 60 Minutes takes the least newsworthy,

01:10:03.780 most boring part of the answer, the middle part there, and makes that her whole answer where she just

01:10:10.200 says the work that we do diplomatically with the leadership of Israel is an ongoing pursuit

01:10:15.780 around making clear our principles. That's what they did on answer one. This isn't even the

01:10:21.820 controversial one. Then he, then we get to the edit that they did where they cut out all the

01:10:27.000 word salad. To me, it's just more evidence of how they want to help her in ways she's not capable of

01:10:33.480 seeing she needs to be helped.

01:10:34.700 And I think it's also indicative of how the CBS newsroom is at war with itself and how there are

01:10:41.540 other newsrooms around the country that are at war with themselves too, where you still have old

01:10:45.540 school journalists who want to, who don't care whether they help, whether their journalism is

01:10:52.100 helpful or not to Kamala Harris or Donald Trump. They don't, they know that's not their job. Their job

01:10:57.200 is just to ask tough questions and then communicate the answers, communicate people's stances to their

01:11:03.420 audience. And what's sort of unfortunate is that Bill Whitaker arguably did a better job than anyone

01:11:08.280 who's interviewed Kamala Harris or moderated a debate so far at grilling her. And it's interesting,

01:11:14.580 the reason I think this is the case, that it speaks to this internal war that journalists are having

01:11:19.380 amongst themselves is because of exactly what you said, that the teaser was different than what was

01:11:25.800 aired. And we know both are likely different because the transcript won't come out

01:11:29.820 from what was communicated just in the raw footage. So it's like one person or one team,

01:11:39.620 one editorial team thought this was newsworthy. This was the way to tease it. Another team thought

01:11:44.040 this is what should air, even though it's much less spicy or newsy. And it seems like what you have

01:11:51.740 happening is different people in the newsroom, maybe some of the same people who are now complaining

01:11:57.040 about the Ta-Nehisi Coates interview, influencing different decisions. And that's really the only

01:12:02.440 way that I can make sense of where you would have this discrepancy at CBS, which is very obvious.

01:12:07.940 It's that they can't get like they're having an election year meltdown, I think pretty clearly

01:12:12.000 right now, like they just cannot get all on the same page because these differences and disagreements

01:12:18.780 are too strong. To me, it's just really simple. Just release the transcript. There's no,

01:12:24.040 there's no, there's zero reason not to do it. Zero reason. If everyone behaved ethically at CBS,

01:12:30.100 there is zero reason not to release it. They at least should give an explanation.

01:12:34.400 Why won't you release it? That's not in there. They're not explaining that. And so we're left to

01:12:40.780 wonder. And I think we've got some good reasons to wonder. Kamala Harris was out on the campaign trail.

01:12:47.500 Trump was in Pennsylvania and we showed you some of the rally, Arnold Palmer and the McDonald's trip.

01:12:52.660 And Harris went to Detroit, among other places, and found a brand new line of argument. I'm going to

01:13:02.020 play it for you here in Sat 16. Take it. No, I'm just kidding. It was exactly what we've always

01:13:05.740 heard from her. Here it is Sat 16.

01:13:06.980 This election is about two very different visions for our future. Ours focused on the future, focused on our

01:13:18.600 young leaders, focused on possibility, understanding the ambitions and the aspirations and the dreams of

01:13:24.920 the American people. Understanding like the people of Detroit. We have grit. We have excellence. We have history.

01:13:38.700 Oh, grit and excellence. She's added grit and excellence in her defense. She's expanding. And this dovetails with

01:13:46.380 what she said to Al Sharpton. She decided to talk to Al Sharpton. And, well, just take a listen.

01:13:57.320 SOT 21.

01:13:58.740 Share with our viewers on what has impacted them and what a President Harris will do that understands what

01:14:07.420 needs to go in their pocket, not the Beltway language.

01:14:10.380 So it's a very legitimate and important question that voters ask that we should respond to on the

01:14:17.700 affirmative without waiting for the question. I often go off script to tell a personal story. I

01:14:22.040 talk about what I intend to build, which is an opportunity economy, which in large part understands

01:14:28.700 the vast majority of Americans have ambition, aspirations. They have an incredible work ethic.

01:14:35.060 They have dreams, but not necessarily access to the resources that allow them the opportunity to

01:14:42.220 achieve their goals. So when asked this question about how will this affect my life in terms of

01:14:49.860 a voter worrying about the fact that, look, price of grocery is still too high. I get it. They get it.

01:14:56.920 And what are we doing to help them actually get through life in a way that they're not just getting

01:15:01.840 by, but getting ahead. We have to have specific policies that do that. And that is what I offer

01:15:08.000 under what I call an opportunity economy approach.

01:15:12.640 Raise your hand if you're missing the Arnold Palmer Dick references.

01:15:19.620 Everyone in the crowd is like, yeah, everyone, the audience.

01:15:24.320 Come on. That's nothing. It'd be one thing if this really were message discipline. And she was saying

01:15:30.440 something that's important, like that we all want to hear. And these are great big plans. Even if she

01:15:34.980 were saying this stuff about, I'm going to, you know, get rid of taxes on tips, you know, the, the

01:15:38.740 thing she stole from Trump, but dreams, ambitions, aspirations. That's all we ever hear. That's it.

01:15:46.580 Eliana, I, maybe she'll win and we'll meet again and we'll talk about, wow, that message

01:15:53.400 discipline was just amazing. That's what did it. But I don't see evidence that that's what's helping

01:15:59.140 her in the polls. What's helping her in the polls is hatred of Donald Trump.

01:16:05.460 That's right. She might win. Um, and if she wins, it will be because people don't like Trump

01:16:11.060 and her inability to pull away from him has been, um, because she's struggling to offer an

01:16:19.980 affirmative vision. Um, what she's offering and you saw it in that answer is I grew up a middle-class

01:16:26.240 kid and he's dangerous, crazy, and senile. Um, but she is, um, it's not that she's not able,

01:16:33.960 it's that she's unwilling to articulate a positive vision for how she would govern the country.

01:16:40.640 Um, because it, you know, she has repudiated a couple of the views, uh, the radical left-wing

01:16:47.460 views that she held in 2019, but mostly, um, her campaign simply has said nothing about them

01:16:53.200 because, uh, she's risk averse. She doesn't like to make decisions and she doesn't want to anger the

01:16:59.360 far left, um, while courting the middle. And so she's just decided to do and say nothing.

01:17:06.440 She says, uh, Eliana says, Emily, that Kamala Harris isn't offering anything and like, there's

01:17:12.360 nothing to hold onto. And that's why she's struggling in the polls. There was a golden

01:17:18.320 opportunity. I mean, she said multiple, right? The view, what would you do differently than Joe

01:17:22.800 Biden? Colbert, what would you do differently? Brett Baer, you know, would you like another bite

01:17:27.360 at the apple? And she just says, uh, it's not a continuation of his presidency. Well, what does

01:17:31.160 that mean? She says, I'm a different person. Well, obviously what do you, but like, how,

01:17:35.100 how are you going to be different as president? And then Peter Alexander of NBC news gets her, uh,

01:17:42.520 over the weekend when she was having her birthday and he asks her saying, I'm not going to ask you

01:17:48.900 how old you're turning, but you say generational change is coming. Like that's what you represent.

01:17:55.240 What does that mean? And listen, listen to what happened.

01:18:01.220 You have a milestone birthday on Sunday. Chivalry is not dead. I'm not going to say what age you're

01:18:06.200 turning then, but you talk about generational change. What does generational change mean to you?

01:18:11.280 I think it's about a state of mind and it is about understanding that we should be focused on

01:18:17.200 this moment. And this is a very particular moment where there is a lot happening in our country that

01:18:22.560 is about innovation that are, but really new approaches to longstanding challenges. And

01:18:27.720 there's about, it's a new generation of thinking as much as anything else.

01:18:32.000 Oh my God, that is classic Kamala Harris, Emily. I just, just to break it down, the number of phrases,

01:18:37.540 this audience is aware, the number of, I think it's about a state of mind and it's about understanding

01:18:44.500 we should be focused on this moment. And this is a very particular moment where there is a lot

01:18:50.220 happening in our country that is about innovation that are about really new approaches to longstanding

01:18:57.140 challenges. And there's, it's a new generation of thinking as much as anything else.

01:19:03.860 What? What? Help.

01:19:07.960 The only message discipline I think that her campaign could have is to stop letting her be

01:19:12.960 the messenger. Like the message discipline that they had before and after the DNC, but especially

01:19:17.960 after the DNC was, uh, them controlling it through scripted TV ads and rallies and all of that. But

01:19:26.520 anytime that she has to naturally be the messenger, um, it's not good because she's, and I thought with

01:19:33.400 the Brett Baer interview, um, honestly, I've, I felt like she had the edge. I felt like Biden had the

01:19:38.800 edge, obviously until the debate, but the wheels are coming off this campaign. And the Brett Baer

01:19:43.220 interview was really evidence of that because what we're seeing, um, right before it and right after

01:19:49.120 it is more of the meme that Kamala Harris was before they decided to turn her into a brilliant

01:19:56.240 generational talent politician as Democrats have been insisting for a while. She, this woman was a

01:20:01.640 meme. She was a joke. She was a joke in Washington DC until Biden's disastrous debate performance, which

01:20:06.900 is why Democrats didn't want to swap Biden out because they felt like they had no choice but to go with

01:20:10.920 her. And this could have been taken from, uh, the vice presidential career she had that left her less

01:20:17.080 popular by some measures than Dick Cheney. She's less popular than Dick Cheney. And that was why this

01:20:23.420 is exactly why. And they were able to control it by not putting her in front of so many different

01:20:29.460 interviewers and their decision to oversaturate her in media has been an absolute disaster because she

01:20:36.260 cannot cut it. She cannot cut it. It has been able to, we're seeing it. What she saw in her private

01:20:42.480 polls is now showing up in the public polls, which I will get to in just one second. But before we leave

01:20:47.780 Peter Alexander, he did ask her Eliana about her struggles with men. I mean, this is no secret.

01:20:54.300 It's all over every poll, every, even the mainstream media, lamestream, whatever corporate reports it all

01:20:59.540 the time. She knows it. She, you know, denial, as they say, it ain't just a river here. Watch

01:21:06.880 sought 20. Donald Trump leads particularly among men by 16 points right now. Why is that? And why

01:21:14.920 do you think there is a disconnect for you with men, right? Well, let me tell you, you can look at

01:21:19.840 this audience and you can see that there are people of every background and gender who are showing up by

01:21:26.220 the thousands. And I think it is because they know I intend to be a president for all Americans.

01:21:31.180 And that is how I'm campaigning to earn the vote of every American, not only, not only about their

01:21:36.560 gender, but about their geographic location and, and unburdened by who they may have voted for in

01:21:41.780 the past. Just to be clear though, men still say by 16% margin, they're supporting Donald Trump right

01:21:47.240 now. Why do you think that is? It's not the experience that I'm having to be honest with you.

01:21:52.340 You think the men are on board? Yeah, I'd be look around.

01:21:56.220 There you go. It's not the experience that I'm having as if that's relevant at all.

01:22:04.020 She said the same thing to Al Sharpton. And I do think it would be more, probably more useful for

01:22:10.440 her to acknowledge the gender gap and to have a message directed at, at men. It's also odd because

01:22:17.040 her campaign is directly targeting such people. They issued a, you know, I forget exactly how they put it,

01:22:25.340 but they had like a platform for black men in which they said they're going to give $20,000 loans to

01:22:32.940 black men owned businesses and other, you know, blatantly unconstitutional things like that.

01:22:39.220 Her campaign is absolutely trying to target these voters. And so there's, there's a disconnect in her

01:22:46.280 saying, I'm not, I'm not seeing any of that. I know it's truly like, look around, like, is that

01:22:53.200 how we're going to go? The number of men who showed up at this particular rally? Okay, great. Okay. Then

01:22:57.780 let's, let's pretend that's real and good luck on November 5th. It's strange for her to say, like,

01:23:02.380 I know we're trailing and that's why we're working so hard to earn their votes by putting out, um,

01:23:06.920 these policy proposals and those policy proposed proposals, um, which her campaign is actually

01:23:12.120 doing to try to win these voters. He stumped her by asking the follow-up Emily. He, he, to his

01:23:18.580 credit, Peter Alexander of the wave. Hello backstage at the DNC, as opposed to asking about Biden's mental

01:23:24.160 acuity and her roles are walking by anyway, found his metal and actually stood up and said, no,

01:23:30.680 like the question was, what about the men? What are you, what are you going to do about it? And her,

01:23:34.400 you could see her. She was stumped. She paused. She didn't know what to say. That's, that's not

01:23:39.220 the experience that I'm having. I mean, look around. I mean, that's just dumb. That's not

01:23:44.640 even a politically savvy answer. No. And this is a problem that she has had again for years is when

01:23:51.680 she gets stumped, everyone can recognize it. It's again, I, it's the third grader who didn't read the

01:23:57.140 book, but is giving the book report. It's stalling. It's nonsense. Uh, what a lot of people call word

01:24:03.040 solids. Like it just is so recognizable by people in the public. For example, when Al Sharpton in that

01:24:09.340 clip you played ask Kamala Harris about, I mean, it's a ridiculous question. He should be embarrassed

01:24:13.480 to ask on a media network because it was such a softball, but about, you know, how she'll actually

01:24:18.780 make a difference, uh, to people's kind of bottom lines and pocketbooks. She started by saying, this is

01:24:24.760 a really important question. It's such an important question in this moment, this particular moment.

01:24:29.400 And then like after 10 minutes of meandering, uh, through her brain, she came back and tried to

01:24:37.180 land the plane, right? Yeah. Dreams. Yes. Great. Excellence. She tried to land the plane and come

01:24:42.020 full circle without ever saying anything. And it's so obvious. It really hurts her. That's why I think

01:24:48.660 the best message message discipline or the only message discipline is for her to frankly, stop talking

01:24:54.140 in unscripted scenarios because she is really, really bad at this and panics and has never figured

01:25:01.240 out how to answer on her toes questions that she's uncomfortable with. So it's, it's the most

01:25:07.760 predictable problem her campaign was going to have, but it's mystifying to me that they went with this,

01:25:13.140 uh, pedal to the metal media strategy over the last couple of weeks, because people can recognize this

01:25:18.740 and they really despise it because it makes them feel like Kamala Harris feels like they're stupid.

01:25:23.760 Like they can't see what they're seeing with their own two eyes, but of course everybody can't.

01:25:28.260 She's not going to stop. She's going to talk to NBC tomorrow. She's reportedly,

01:25:32.000 according to the Trump campaign, they have her schedule, um, going to take two days off to

01:25:36.260 prepare for an interview with Hallie Jackson. And then she's going to do a CNN Trump town hall

01:25:40.820 the day after that. So we're going to be getting a lot more that she, the only reason is because of

01:25:45.200 these polls, like she, she sees how much trouble she's in. I do want to show you, this is yet

01:25:50.380 another attempt, I guess, to get out there and appeal. I don't know. I guess this is more about

01:25:57.320 tuning up the women vote. Cause that's their other thing they've got to do. Women like her women are,

01:26:01.480 you know, tend to be pro-choice and they are backing her double digits over Trump. And so I think this is

01:26:07.540 an appeal by men to, to get the women voting. But you tell me she's obsessed with celebrity. Like

01:26:16.360 all Democrats are look at this. All the dads out there. I would say this is the time to really show

01:26:22.660 your support for your daughters. What do I love about being a girl dad? I love how much smarter

01:26:27.260 she is than all the guys in the room already. I can tell that she's going to be a powerhouse. She is

01:26:32.860 already at two and a half. My daughter's 22 and a half is a feminist, incredibly strong and has

01:26:40.680 really, I just inspired me in so many ways. I love her. I'm the proud dad of Ella over here.

01:26:48.420 My vote for Kamala is an investment in my daughter's future. I agree. I'm right there with you. When the

01:26:54.140 Dobbs decision came out two plus years ago, I heard from Kamala right away. And then the next person was

01:27:00.660 Ella, she texted me right away, essentially saying we need to fight. This is not just an issue for

01:27:06.260 women. This is an issue for men and families. And this is one of the many, many reasons why we've

01:27:12.140 got to elect Kamala's president. Never in my lifetime did I think that we would be having to fight for

01:27:16.940 this and the fight for our own bodies. And I think it's really important for the men to step up and show

01:27:23.200 that they actually support us and they're willing to put things on the line to help us.

01:27:27.400 All right, Ella Emhoff. First of all, you want in, you're in. You're fair game now. You want to come

01:27:33.020 out there and make statements like that? Let's go. You're fair game. There's no more hands off because

01:27:37.380 she's a daughter. That only applies to people like Barron Trump who don't actually go out there and

01:27:42.120 take political positions that are assailable. Secondly, Andy Cohen standing up and saying his

01:27:48.920 two and a half year old daughter is already the smartest person in the room just proves that he is the

01:27:55.620 only person who ever spends time with his two and a half year old daughter is the only one in the

01:28:00.100 room. It's just him and the daughter. So it could be true. This is ridiculous. To whom exactly does this

01:28:08.320 appeal? These two like effete men saying like, oh, my daughter, she's a feminist. My two-year-old's a

01:28:16.380 feminist and my 22-year-old's a feminist and they're definitely voting Harris Walls.

01:28:25.340 First of all, Megan, the only reason that I agree to be friends with Eliana is because we both love

01:28:31.020 the housewives. So this is a tough. You have to appreciate him in that lane separately, separately.

01:28:38.760 That's that's fair. OK, I'll separate it. I can relate to you. I mean, I has there's never been a

01:28:43.300 better show than the Real Housewives of Miami, the reboot. I'm sorry. It's number one.

01:28:47.760 That's a hot take. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, it's amazing. It's so good. They're all amazing.

01:28:52.180 So but I and I I'm not saying Andy Cohen has done no good in his life. I appreciate that

01:28:57.940 professional product of his, but his hot political takes are entirely unnecessary and unfactual.

01:29:04.980 Go ahead, Eliana. Look, not I'm not like the authority on gender issues or anything,

01:29:12.180 but that when I saw that ad, if that strikes me as an ad that will motivate women, it didn't really

01:29:19.800 strike me as an ad that would motivate men to get to the polls for for whatever reason. I'm not sure

01:29:28.360 I can quite explain why, but it just did not strike me as an ad geared at geared at men.

01:29:33.460 Well, that's an ad or is it just a an exit? I mean, they are pushing it online, something,

01:29:39.760 whatever it is. I don't I don't know either. But like who sits around and says Ben Stiller and

01:29:46.020 Andy Cohen will be the answer to our problems. That's who we really need. I like isn't she trying

01:29:51.800 to get Republicans who are Nikki Haley Haley voters? Isn't that the key to her? Right.

01:29:57.540 Like where is your NFL player coming to, you know, sit down on the couch with a beer and tell the men

01:30:03.440 to like get off their butts and go vote for Kamala? They did have some guy here. Yeah, go ahead,

01:30:10.940 Emily. Well, it's insane. Instead, they actually had Obama kind of talking down and calling black

01:30:16.300 men sexist for being hesitant about Kamala Harris. They're really doing the opposite.

01:30:20.560 There was some athlete who did come out with a profane clip about I can't remember what sport he played.

01:30:26.840 Oh, we have it. OK. Yeah. Stop 50. Dave Bautista, former wrestler. Like they went a different way

01:30:33.020 with this one. Those we got to talk. A lot of men seem to think Donald Trump is some kind of tough

01:30:40.460 guy. He's not. I mean, look at him. He wears more makeup than Dolly Parton. Wines like a baby.

01:30:48.720 The guy's afraid of birds. Donald Trump had his daddy pay a doctor to say his will feet hurt so he could

01:30:56.740 dodge the draft. Look at that gut. Like a garbage bag full of buttermilk.

01:31:05.100 I mean, look how he drinks water.

01:31:09.360 All right. You get the point.

01:31:10.820 Like a little pink.

01:31:11.680 So I mean, they made an effort better, better, better, better than Ben Stiller, for sure. But

01:31:19.060 that's a low bar. But that's also a comedy show. It's not even the campaign. I mean,

01:31:24.120 they like the campaign doesn't have the acumen that someone without much political acumen,

01:31:30.080 Jimmy Kimmel and his writers have.

01:31:31.420 It's true. No, you're exactly right. Wait, now I got to take a quick break. And when we come back,

01:31:38.060 I got to mention these polls and hopefully I'll have enough time to get to Lizzo. Stand by.

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01:33:40.480 There is a poll that was the most accurate poll of 2020 in the presidential election. And it is by

01:33:54.840 Atlas Intel per Nate Silver, who said this was the most accurate poll in all of 2020. And they have

01:34:02.720 just dropped a poll of likely voters, uh, margin of error, 2% in the two way race, two way race between

01:34:11.880 Trump and Harris. They have Trump up 2.7 percentage points in the full field, which includes the third

01:34:19.840 parties like Jill Stein, Cornell West. They have Trump up 3.4 percentage points looking at independence.

01:34:28.600 They have Trump up 9. And listen to this, looking at racial breakdowns among black voters, they have

01:34:37.320 Harris at 67 and Trump at 32, 32. Now most people tell you it is a pipe dream to suggest that the

01:34:48.980 Republican candidate, even Trump could get 32% of the black vote. But that is what the most accurate

01:34:55.480 poll in 2020 is now saying is the current state of the race. And with Hispanic voters, Harris is at 53.

01:35:03.900 Trump is at 44, which is a very hefty share of that vote for a Republican. They've got Trump up three in

01:35:12.120 Michigan, Trump up three in Pennsylvania, Trump up two in Georgia, Trump up 0.6 in Arizona, Trump up 0.3

01:35:25.480 in Nevada, Harris up two in North Carolina, Harris up one in Wisconsin. Again, all of those are within

01:35:37.360 the margin of error, all of those that I just read, um, except for the overall two way and the overall

01:35:43.920 full field, which are outside of their margin of error showing Trump winning. Um, I would suggest to

01:35:50.760 you, this is why she's everywhere. This is why she did Fox news. This is why she's going to do NBC.

01:35:56.120 This is why she's going to do a CNN town hall. They're in a panic that she's going to lose this

01:36:01.600 race. Emily. This is a nightmare scenario for Democrats. This is exactly what they feared before

01:36:11.040 Joe Biden dropped out of the race. And what's also interesting here is if the poll, if, if the Atlas

01:36:17.600 intel poll has these numbers where they are right now today, uh, whenever this poll came out, they're

01:36:23.900 trending in the wrong direction for her in the last month ahead of the election. So by the time we

01:36:30.640 actually get to election day, if they are not able to reverse course, that is to say her numbers have

01:36:38.140 gone down as they have experimented with the strategy of oversaturating the media. So if they double

01:36:44.560 down on that strategy, it's very unlikely that she's able to reverse course because if anything,

01:36:50.180 her appearances seem to be getting worse and worse. I don't know if it's the exhaustion of the campaign

01:36:54.740 or a panic over where the numbers are. I don't know over how close close the races of the race is,

01:37:00.680 or just her natural ability, um, has always lacked. I don't know, but if it continues this way,

01:37:07.540 the numbers could get worse and worse for her by the time we're on election day, they could be outside

01:37:11.780 of the margin of error on election day. That said one final thought, this is, uh, Eliana and I were

01:37:17.740 talking in the kind of virtual green room before we went on air about how quickly we'll know the

01:37:22.160 results of the election. If you're someone who's really sick of election news and you just want to

01:37:27.720 move on from it, imagine what's going to happen on election day and election night. If this is an

01:37:33.400 accurate snapshot of where voters are, um, these are going to be haggled over for days and weeks.

01:37:39.620 The, if the margins are as slim as they're looking right now, you saw Arnon Mishkin who runs the Fox

01:37:45.580 decision desk. I've worked with him for years, gave an interview to Politico saying maybe five days

01:37:50.980 after election day. We'll know maybe. And they, and said, that's, you may not remember it, but that's

01:37:55.600 actually when we knew the last time to, uh, Arizona was of course in contention and so on, but

01:38:00.200 that's fine by me. I can, I can wait. I'd rather know an election night, but I mean, five days is okay.

01:38:05.620 Five weeks is a different story. Um, you know, Eliana, this reminds me, I think I've told a story

01:38:10.860 before, but I tried a jury trial, uh, when I was a lawyer and we had a star witness on our side

01:38:18.500 and he was, the whole case revolves around whether this guy was believed by the jury. If he was not

01:38:26.040 believed we were going to lose. If he was believed we were going to win. And the judge and trying to

01:38:30.860 make us settle the case, cause they always want you to settle it instead of go all the way to trial or

01:38:34.380 verdict said, um, see you good witness to me and my co-counsel. And he was accurately zooming in

01:38:44.680 on our biggest weakness, which was this guy was, I believe a truth teller, but he wasn't likable.

01:38:50.480 And so time in front of the jury with this witness was not going to help us in our whole case revolved

01:38:57.620 around this witness. Guess what? The verdict went against us. We got it reversed on appeal,

01:39:04.840 but the judge was onto something. The quality of your main witness can make or break your case.

01:39:11.920 And they are having a problem with the quality of Kamala Harris. So that's the problem, Eliana.

01:39:17.560 She is no star witness and more time with Kamala Harris. I would submit is not the answer to their

01:39:24.100 problem. I just go back to, um, she, she's obviously struggling to close the deal. I read it the same

01:39:30.100 way that you and Emily did, um, when she suddenly started doing interviews and it's a problem for the

01:39:35.900 campaign that she suddenly started doing them a month out from the election. And you can kind of

01:39:41.160 see the rust in the hinges. Um, it, they, they clearly made the decision to put her out there

01:39:48.780 because they wanted to shake things up and they were worried that the race was too close for comfort,

01:39:54.700 uh, for them. So I think the Harris campaign does feel uncomfortable about the state of the race right

01:40:00.720 now. Look, they don't know. The Trump campaign doesn't know. None of these pollsters know, like

01:40:05.300 nobody knows nothing is the truth. Um, but, uh, but they're certainly, they feel that based on what

01:40:14.160 they're seeing, this is just way too close for comfort. And they thought we got to do something

01:40:18.460 differently. We're going to put her out there. The problem for them is nobody watches a Kamala

01:40:22.920 Harris interview and comes away thinking she really crushed that. I think they come away thinking,

01:40:28.420 okay, she, she got through it. She didn't hurt herself. Um, certainly I think that's the way people

01:40:34.000 felt about the Brett bear interview, um, where, you know, folks on the right thought it was a

01:40:40.060 catastrophe, but folks on the left that, okay, she sort of muddled her way through it.

01:40:43.740 Um, yeah, but her fundamental problem is the failure to offer a positive policy vision or give

01:40:54.260 people a sense of what she'd do well in office. Um, and so when you, I think there was a great LA

01:41:01.280 times piece this morning talking to independent voters and people are saying, well, I don't like

01:41:06.020 Trump, but things were actually sort of okay when he was president. Um, and I have no idea what she's

01:41:11.120 going to do. That was sort of the, the, that was basically a theme in this article. And I think

01:41:15.540 that's where a lot of independents are stuck. Um, they don't need to like her. You just need to

01:41:20.260 have a sense of what she's going to do. And she's, she's unwilling to articulate that.

01:41:25.280 Unwilling. I put a pin in that comment about independent voters. Cause there's more on that

01:41:28.880 in the Atlas poll that I wanted to talk to you about, but you mentioned the Brett bear interview.

01:41:32.160 It was pilloried by Saturday night live, which brought back Alec Baldwin to play Brett bear.

01:41:38.880 And here was their take on how it went.

01:41:41.300 Now, when I interviewed president Trump, my first question was, what do you think is the

01:41:44.860 most important issue facing our nation? So my first question for you is give me the exact

01:41:49.180 number of murderers you let loose in this country.

01:41:53.000 Brett, I'm glad you brought up the topic of immigration.

01:41:55.680 A million, two million.

01:41:57.460 The first thing we did in office was to introduce a bill.

01:42:00.820 Ten million. Give me a number.

01:42:02.440 Brett, we came up with a bipartisan bill.

01:42:04.480 But did it have a number though?

01:42:06.040 May I please finish?

01:42:06.980 I'm asking you to.

01:42:08.000 Well, then you have to listen.

01:42:09.320 Well, I can't because I'm talking.

01:42:10.880 Well, when will you stop?

01:42:13.460 Maybe when I go to bed.

01:42:14.500 Okay.

01:42:15.640 Madam vice president, are you here to answer questions?

01:42:17.540 You're just looking for a viral moment.

01:42:19.020 Oh, please. I am not looking for a viral moment.

01:42:23.080 See how I don't let men interrupt my answers?

01:42:26.180 Very demure. Very mindful.

01:42:30.820 Eh, you know, if you played out the Brett Baier interview of Donald Trump, you would have seen

01:42:36.800 him interrupt Trump 20 times. I guess that escaped their notice. I don't know. What did you think?

01:42:42.860 I mean, it's just you're making fun of a journalist for asking questions like, good one.

01:42:48.800 You got it. I thought this was from the defenders of the free press.

01:42:52.820 Here you have a journalist doing an aggressive, but I think appropriately aggressive interview

01:42:58.400 of a political candidate who hasn't faced a lot of tough questions and who, by the way,

01:43:02.660 is the sitting vice president for an administration that has overseen a historic and unprecedented

01:43:08.320 influx of migrants into the country that is front of center for just about every single voter.

01:43:13.920 And, you know, it's like, is that really funny? Is that the fodder for the comedy there?

01:43:19.900 I don't I don't know that the rest of the country saw that exactly like Brett Baier being an

01:43:24.980 aggressive journalist as a punchline. And I have no idea why they brought Alec Baldwin back.

01:43:29.480 Really not worth it. I hope they didn't pay him anything for that.

01:43:31.880 That that reminded me of another moment in the in the Brett Baier interview that stuck out to me

01:43:36.600 where he was asking her for the first time of any journalist about her cover up of Biden's mental

01:43:42.480 acuity problems. And her response was Donald Trump, Donald Trump. And he said, I'm asking about

01:43:49.240 you and, you know, what you knew. And she said, Donald Trump is running for president. He's the one

01:43:55.480 running for president. And I was dying for Brett to say, Joe Biden is the president right now.

01:44:02.940 Right. He's the president at this moment. All right, Eliana, this brings me back to the working

01:44:09.600 class. So in this poll that we just went through, they took a look at how things are going with the

01:44:17.580 working class, this Atlas Intel poll. And it's not going well for Kamala Harris. They put Trump with a

01:44:23.860 17 point advantage nationally with the working class voter. She has the advantage with college

01:44:29.960 educated, but it's 57 to 40. And, um, there is an advantage for her or sorry for him in Michigan

01:44:38.940 as well. And those, those rust belt States, uh, with the working class, the Washington post just

01:44:46.220 reported the other day, Harris is drawing strong support among the college educated, uh, in suburban

01:44:51.480 areas of Detroit, but to prevail in Michigan, she faces pressure to bolster, um, her backing among

01:44:57.800 union workers. And they talk about how she is struggling more with the blue collar voted voters,

01:45:03.580 um, that are more leaning Trump. Okay. So someone, I guess, thought the solution to this problem might be

01:45:13.640 Lizzo, the singer, because she was born in Detroit. I don't know whether she was raised

01:45:21.420 in Detroit. All I saw was that she was born in Detroit and somebody didn't give the message to

01:45:26.940 Lizzo that all we want you to do is come here and read this script we wrote for you, where you're

01:45:33.220 talking about how great Detroit is. That's it. We don't want you to post. You don't need to help us

01:45:37.800 by improv-ing on your way here or your way out at the airport. This is a note to the campaign staff.

01:45:45.740 You really got to cross every T with these celebrities because sometimes they go rogue.

01:45:50.220 So here is Lizzo on her way to Detroit with her own message.

01:45:57.100 This is how a bad bitch saves democracy. You hoes couldn't even spell democracy.

01:46:03.340 This is how a bad bitch saves democracy. You hoes couldn't even spell democracy as she boards

01:46:14.640 her private jet in an all-white pantsuit. Thoughts on that resonating with the auto union workers in

01:46:24.700 Detroit, Eliana?

01:46:27.400 I mean, look, the one major shift that we've seen since Trump arrived on the scene in 2015

01:46:34.580 is the education gap between the parties just continue to rise, where voters without a college

01:46:42.760 degree are migrating into the Republican camp. And you mentioned the African-American and Latino

01:46:49.540 numbers in this Atlas poll. So that includes minority voters. And the Democratic Party since

01:46:57.020 then has increasingly become the parties of the MDs, JDs, and PhDs, as well as the party of the BAs and

01:47:06.820 the A-Bs, whatever, people with college degrees.

01:47:11.240 You lost us.

01:47:12.160 I think, yeah, that is who Lizzo's speaking to, all right? Like, the college-educated female

01:47:19.860 voters who are Harris's base.

01:47:22.260 Yeah, those Trump losers can't spell democracy.

01:47:25.940 Harris's base.

01:47:28.260 Oh, wow. She's going to really have to rethink that. There should be a sternly

01:47:32.200 written letter from Team Harris to Lizzo, Emily, on, could you just not help, just help in only

01:47:39.760 the ways we ask, please?

01:47:42.680 It's going to be in the sort of collection of fight song type artifacts we reflect on if Kamala

01:47:49.500 Harris loses the election, because, I mean, it actually reminds me of something I meant to say

01:47:53.440 when we were talking about that video earlier of Andy Cohen, Ben Stiller, and Ella Emhoff about

01:47:58.480 Emhoff wearing that ridiculous camo Harris Waltz hat, which, you know, I was at the Trump

01:48:05.300 rally in Butler, covering it a couple of weeks ago, looking around. I was talking to one guy,

01:48:09.500 felt like, you know, being in Wisconsin at home with my family. This guy had a faded Mossy Oak

01:48:13.180 hat on. He was wearing old Carhartts, non-ironically, and there were a whole lot of other people in the

01:48:17.480 crowd dressed like him. And I just became, like, offended on their behalf by all of the dumb

01:48:23.520 Gen Z, like, kids I saw roaming around the DNC in those stupid Harris Waltz hats, like their fashion

01:48:29.460 statements, because they have no respect for the people who actually wear those, that they are,

01:48:36.680 you know, trying to look like they're cool because they can keep up with them. Like, it is so,

01:48:41.840 they just, like, truly have no understanding of and no respect for any of those people because of the

01:48:48.380 binary that Lizzo just said there. This is about saving democracy? Saving democracy? Oh, okay, so

01:48:55.500 you're saying, fundamentally, if you don't vote for Kamala Harris, you are destroying democracy as we

01:49:00.980 know it in the United States. Take the damn hat off. Stop pretending like Tim Walls can hunt, or Tim

01:49:07.200 Walls is, like, popular with people who can hunt. It's just so, so obnoxious. They can't do both at the

01:49:13.680 same time, and the people are smart enough to see that. It's true. It's cosplaying, you know,

01:49:19.440 putting on the camo and acting like you know anything about how true Trump voters, working

01:49:25.420 class people, hunters for that matter, live what's important to them. You're pretending, and they know,

01:49:31.880 they know all of that. All right, I'll leave it at that. Ladies, such a pleasure. I believe you can

01:49:36.900 spell democracy, and Lizzo is mistaken, and I appreciate you for coming on with those big brains

01:49:43.580 and joining us here. Thank you, Megan. All right, to be continued until the next time, and don't

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 21, 2024

Trump's ＂Genius＂ McDonald's Trip, and Media's ＂Arnold Palmer＂ Meltdown, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson ｜ Ep. 922

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