The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump's Huge Iowa Win, and MSNBC's Embarrassing Meltdown Over the Results, with Stu Burguiere and Dave Marcus

00:00:00.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.000 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.080 Oh, there's so many things to go over and so much goodness for you in today's show.

00:00:20.280 You're really going to enjoy the next two hours or hour, however long you choose to stay with us.

00:00:24.940 You're going to enjoy it.

00:00:25.560 The Iowa caucuses were last night and resulted in a landslide victory for former President Donald Trump.

00:00:32.400 The race was called just 30 minutes into the night, causing a wave of blowback across social media and campaigns,

00:00:39.240 especially from the DeSantis camp, which, you know, they were unhappy that while voters were still waiting to caucus,

00:00:46.660 they'd been told their votes weren't necessary, that it was already being called for Trump.

00:00:51.400 DeSantis took a distant second. Nikki Haley finished just behind him in third.

00:00:57.120 But in a speech last night, she says Iowa, even though she came in third, has now officially made this a two-person race.

00:01:04.720 Which two people? Donald Trump and Joe Biden? That? I see that.

00:01:11.220 Both she and DeSantis will move to New Hampshire next.

00:01:15.200 But Vivek Ramaswamy dropped out and endorsed Trump.

00:01:20.040 The results gave us—oh, by the way, Asa Hutchinson just dropped out, too.

00:01:23.500 The results gave us some incredible media meltdowns.

00:01:26.140 That's my favorite part of the day.

00:01:27.500 Wait until you see what we have assembled for you.

00:01:31.480 Joining us now to discuss it all, Stu Bergeer, host of Stu Does America,

00:01:36.500 and Dave Marcus, Daily Mail and Fox News, etc., columnist.

00:01:40.660 Guys, welcome back to the show.

00:01:43.220 Thanks for having me.

00:01:43.920 Okay, so Trump won, and he won bigly.

00:01:49.240 And let's just start there, because my number one impression watching it last night was,

00:01:53.040 what a stunning, stunning comeback.

00:01:55.580 Like, just go back to after January 6th of 2020,

00:01:59.860 and how everyone associated with Team Trump was being banned.

00:02:03.920 They couldn't get book deals.

00:02:05.500 They were on blacklists not to hire them or allow them to do speeches or anything.

00:02:09.980 And it was like, out of the—I remember on the second Trump impeachment, people were saying,

00:02:15.340 what are you—don't be ridiculous.

00:02:17.020 It's not necessary.

00:02:17.880 He could never be re-elected after this.

00:02:21.120 Of course, you don't need to impeach him to prevent it.

00:02:23.500 After all that and four indictments, and, you know, even today, he's back at another defamation trial

00:02:30.280 with E. Jean Carroll, who some jury found him liable for allegedly sexually assaulting and then defaming.

00:02:34.780 The man, he does feel untouchable and indestructible and invincible in some ways.

00:02:43.280 And that's what we saw last night, for him to come back and not just eke out a victory in Iowa, Stu,

00:02:48.760 but crush it with over-majority vote.

00:02:52.660 I mean, it's a stunning, stunning political comeback.

00:02:56.260 And he's pulled off how many of these?

00:02:58.240 It really is incredible, Megan.

00:03:00.180 You're right.

00:03:00.760 And it's funny, watching after the January 6th situation, it did feel like that.

00:03:05.740 It did feel like many Republicans were even changing their view on Trump and maybe abandoning him as so many wanted them to.

00:03:15.000 And it's funny.

00:03:15.820 I mean, even the New York Times wrote just the other day, in a very rare, somewhat positive piece about Donald Trump,

00:03:22.300 was talking about how college-educated Republican voters came back to Trump.

00:03:28.040 After January 6th, they really did leave.

00:03:30.840 I mean, the base stayed pretty loyal to Trump through that period.

00:03:34.240 But the voters who were college-educated, white suburban voters sort of abandoned Trump for over a year.

00:03:42.360 It wasn't until March of 2023 when that first indictment hit, when they all came rushing back.

00:03:49.580 At that point, you had a situation where Ron DeSantis looked like a real challenger, looked like it was potentially a really competitive primary.

00:03:59.020 And the left, as they have done over and over again throughout history, overplayed their hand and decided that they couldn't just win.

00:04:07.720 They couldn't just have a situation where they decided to beat him if he was going to run again.

00:04:12.220 They couldn't do that.

00:04:13.220 Instead, they had to get their legal system involved and go after him every which way people get defensive when they see someone being targeted by the government like that,

00:04:22.640 especially Republicans, conservatives, who looked at that and said, wait a minute, this is crazy.

00:04:27.180 They're going to try to take him off the ballot?

00:04:28.900 They're going to try to put him in prison?

00:04:30.160 And the people who kind of didn't align with Donald Trump and probably are responsible for him losing in 2020 came back, rushing in, supported him through this primary process, and it results in a blowout in Iowa.

00:04:46.200 Dave, what did you make of it?

00:04:47.520 I mean, I just don't, we've never seen anything like this, like Trump's resilience and the affection that, you know, a huge portion of the Republican Party, no, it's not all, has for him.

00:04:58.000 Yeah, I really wasn't surprised that this was exactly what I expected would happen.

00:05:03.660 Look, Republican voters like Trump.

00:05:05.700 Stu's right that after January 6th, there was like, you know, a cup of coffee when people were like, oh, no.

00:05:11.300 But, I mean, four or five days later, the polling was clearly showing that voters were still behind Trump.

00:05:16.500 McCarthy and all of the rest of the politicians sort of fell in line.

00:05:20.000 I will say this about last night, though.

00:05:22.360 I think Nikki Haley is absolutely right that this is a two-person race between her and Donald Trump at this point.

00:05:28.160 And I'll tell you why.

00:05:29.000 I want to preface this by saying I think Trump will almost certainly win the nomination.

00:05:32.580 But I'm of the school of thought that there's a Rocky analogy for everything.

00:05:36.720 And the analogy here is Rocky IV, right?

00:05:39.500 Ivan Drago, unbeatable.

00:05:41.340 He killed Apollo Creed.

00:05:43.360 Rocky's getting destroyed by him.

00:05:45.560 Rocky throws a punch and cuts him, right?

00:05:47.680 The big Russian is cut.

00:05:49.040 It's a bad cut.

00:05:49.880 That if there is a chance to beat Trump, that's the only way.

00:05:53.760 She needs to win New Hampshire.

00:05:55.620 Maybe then people say, oh, this isn't inevitable.

00:05:58.260 And she does OK.

00:05:59.480 Look, it's a long shot.

00:06:01.680 DeSantis doesn't even have that anymore.

00:06:03.340 DeSantis really ought to drop out today and endorse Donald Trump.

00:06:06.800 All right.

00:06:06.940 We'll get to all of those folks, too, because I do want to go through each of them and talk about their future course.

00:06:11.560 Trump last night on the stage was, I mean, he you know, he's got this gear where he can be kind of sweet and, you know, soft in a nice way, not in a bad way.

00:06:25.020 And he referred to DeSantis and Haley as Ron and Nikki.

00:06:30.160 He praised Vivek.

00:06:32.220 He had a kind word for Melania, who just lost her mom.

00:06:36.080 In fact, we have a little bit of that cut.

00:06:38.160 Listen here.

00:06:38.660 I want to thank some of the great people.

00:06:42.760 We have so many senators.

00:06:44.320 If I go through every name, we'll be here all night and everybody's going to get angry at me.

00:06:48.640 But the senators, the congressmen from Washington, they came down from all different states.

00:06:54.320 I want to thank you very much.

00:06:56.060 I want to congratulate Ron and Nikki for having a good a good time together.

00:07:02.700 We're all having a good time together.

00:07:04.120 And most importantly, I want to thank my incredible wife, the first lady, I'll say former and maybe future.

00:07:11.540 But more important than Melania, I want to thank her incredible, beautiful mother who passed away a few days ago.

00:07:22.720 And she's up there, way up there.

00:07:24.700 She's looking down and she's so proud of us.

00:07:26.840 And I just want to say to Amalia, you are special.

00:07:30.480 One of the most special people I've ever known.

00:07:32.920 Boy, did she take care of Barron.

00:07:34.500 That's how he got so tall.

00:07:35.720 He only ate her food.

00:07:36.700 It's nice to see Trump do those moments.

00:07:40.880 He doesn't do a lot of those moments.

00:07:42.240 You could just tell he was in a very good mood.

00:07:44.620 I don't know.

00:07:45.000 To me, it seemed like almost a page turner moment for him.

00:07:47.620 Like the nastiness between him and most Republicans, I think, in a way, was put to bed last night.

00:07:52.880 I think the party knows it's inevitable.

00:07:54.340 And I think already now you're seeing some tweets and posts on X from people who are diehard DeSantis supporters saying it's time.

00:08:04.540 Like it's time that the money, the effort, the energy needs to go into supporting our obvious inevitable nominee and fighting Joe Biden, not fighting amongst ourselves.

00:08:16.900 What do you think of it, Dave?

00:08:18.200 Yeah, I think that's right, especially from the DeSantis side.

00:08:25.940 I did think it was very interesting to watch DeSantis and Haley's speeches, right?

00:08:30.120 Because DeSantis kind of blamed the media, referencing back to what you said about, you know, calling the race too early and stuff.

00:08:38.060 He really didn't talk about Trump.

00:08:40.020 Haley, on the other hand, really went after Trump, comparing Trump to Joe Biden, talking about how nobody wants a Biden versus Trump race,

00:08:47.320 which, according to polling, is sort of true.

00:08:50.380 The thing that interested me is that Haley has no major social media presence, right?

00:08:56.660 She ran much more of a sort of standard campaign.

00:09:00.000 And Trump and DeSantis supporters are kind of like vegans.

00:09:03.760 You know that about them within five minutes of meeting them.

00:09:07.960 Haley voters aren't that way.

00:09:11.060 I've met them.

00:09:11.980 Everyone's like, I've never met a Haley.

00:09:13.280 But while I go out and talk to people, I've met them.

00:09:15.060 And they're just, they're not on X.

00:09:17.520 I completely agree with you.

00:09:18.860 I've seen the same thing.

00:09:20.080 I've seen people posting on X.

00:09:21.820 I've never seen anybody post on here about Nikki Haley that likes her.

00:09:25.300 Well, maybe that's true.

00:09:26.640 Maybe it's not.

00:09:27.080 But like, if you talk to any sort of, quote, mainstream Republicans, the odds are they're Haley supporters.

00:09:33.440 Most of my friends who are Jewish Republicans are Haley supporters.

00:09:37.180 Like, there are, obviously, there's a huge number of Republicans who love Nikki Haley.

00:09:40.780 You're right.

00:09:41.140 They're just not posting about her on X all the time.

00:09:43.400 Yeah.

00:09:43.600 And Megan, I bet those friends are not up at one o'clock in the morning furiously, like, you know, arguing with a non-bots about the 2024 election.

00:09:52.360 Right.

00:09:52.760 Yeah.

00:09:53.080 In fact, I mean, the group I just referenced is worried about their survival.

00:09:57.200 So they've got bigger things to worry about than X posts.

00:09:59.360 They want somebody who's more hawkish like Nikki Haley.

00:10:01.860 I realize it's a no-go for a large portion of the Republican Party.

00:10:04.760 But it's nonsense to say she has no real-life supporters.

00:10:08.160 Dave, what do you make of it?

00:10:08.980 Because I think Trump was softer there for a reason.

00:10:11.540 I really think, like, he, look, in 16, he was considered even more still.

00:10:16.920 He was considered more divisive than he is now, I think, by Republicans at least.

00:10:21.520 I think the Republican Party's a little warmer toward him today than they were in 16, where they didn't want him.

00:10:26.460 They couldn't believe this guy was taking over their party.

00:10:28.980 Over 90% of the Republican Party came home for Trump in 16.

00:10:31.680 They came home for Trump after that divisive election.

00:10:35.820 They're going to come home for Trump this time, too.

00:10:39.680 And I think that's what accounts for the shift in tone by him.

00:10:43.760 Not by Nikki, no, but by him.

00:10:46.860 Yeah, it's interesting because I think a lot of politicians go through this process.

00:10:51.240 And when they're trying to win over votes, they're very endearing to the public.

00:10:55.140 They're very endearing to their opponents.

00:10:56.740 And then when they win, they have that temptation to kind of be like, yeah, in your face, I won.

00:11:02.400 Trump is the exact opposite.

00:11:04.060 When he has that approach, the approach that you played earlier, that's when he's 100% sure he's won.

00:11:09.880 When he gets to that point that everything is in his column, he becomes this more magnanimous person.

00:11:16.420 He's very capable of that.

00:11:18.020 I mean, at times, I think he should utilize it a lot more because I think it is really endearing to people, especially because he has that gruff sort of offensive in-your-face persona most of the time.

00:11:28.500 When he hits those notes, they're actually really powerful.

00:11:31.160 I mean, if you watch his last few weeks of the 2016 campaign, he was there often.

00:11:36.700 And in his acceptance speech when he won the presidency, he hit that tone as well.

00:11:41.160 And I think it was really well received.

00:11:42.540 You know, it's just interesting to see his power over the party now.

00:11:46.420 You're right.

00:11:46.720 In 2016, there was a totally different situation going on.

00:11:50.860 I mean, people could – there's a good chunk of the party that went to the polls.

00:11:54.880 We talked to them day after day after day on the radio who were completely holding their nose in November going to pull the lever for him, thinking of coming up with any justification they could.

00:12:05.680 The Supreme Court, something, anything they could to try to pull the lever for them.

00:12:09.580 Most of them wound up doing it, but not happily.

00:12:11.900 That was not the case in 2020.

00:12:13.680 People were happy about generally the policies that he had pushed through and generally liked his presidency.

00:12:20.380 And despite all of the – everything that's happened, the soap opera that has existed over the past few years, it has not shaken most of them.

00:12:29.600 And in some ways, I think, has really tightened the connection between Trump and his base.

00:12:34.680 Because, I mean, if you look at the entrance polls last night, what you find is about two-thirds of the people believe the election was stolen.

00:12:44.200 And, you know, taking out whatever you think about that or whatever you might feel, whether it was stolen or not, taking that out, how do you beat a person who's in that position?

00:12:53.160 Because that person has something that no one else can have.

00:12:56.880 They had, in their eyes, the election – the presidency stolen from them.

00:13:02.300 And if the presidency was stolen from Donald Trump, the rational response is that he gets another shot at it.

00:13:08.540 And the people who believe that, and it's two-thirds of the electorate, voted for Donald Trump by over 50 points.

00:13:14.020 It's almost insurmountable, no matter what candidate you are and what candidacy you run.

00:13:21.220 Yeah, exactly.

00:13:22.460 And so I do think there's going to be a warming now towards Trump.

00:13:26.080 Like, he passed the first major contest challenge.

00:13:29.480 Look, DeSantis didn't drop out because he came in – he came in second.

00:13:33.100 It was a – it was a distant second.

00:13:35.520 I think – what did he wind up with?

00:13:36.860 19?

00:13:37.680 And they're still, like, tabulating the numbers.

00:13:40.700 He had 21, and Nikki Haley had around 19.

00:13:43.360 She was about two or three points behind him.

00:13:47.080 I don't see the path.

00:13:48.700 I don't see the path, Dave.

00:13:49.900 He's got – he came in – Trump more than doubled his number.

00:13:54.340 And he has no path at all in New Hampshire.

00:13:57.240 DeSantis is not going to win New Hampshire.

00:13:59.240 And then they go to South Carolina, where Trump is crushing even hometown favorite Nikki Haley.

00:14:04.500 Crushing her.

00:14:06.040 So that's where DeSantis went right after Iowa last night.

00:14:09.000 He didn't go to New Hampshire, though he's going back there later today for a CNN town hall.

00:14:12.340 But it says something, that he went directly to South Carolina and not to New Hampshire.

00:14:16.320 And I know what he said last night is, I've earned my ticket.

00:14:19.220 Here it is.

00:14:19.680 I'll play you the sound bite, number three.

00:14:21.620 I've earned my ticket out of Iowa.

00:14:23.680 What – to where?

00:14:24.740 Watch.

00:14:25.020 They threw everything but the kitchen sink at us.

00:14:30.740 Run, run, run, run, run, run, run.

00:14:33.740 The media was against us.

00:14:36.040 They were writing our obituary months ago.

00:14:38.740 Woo!

00:14:41.140 They even called the election before people even got a chance to vote.

00:14:45.800 They were predicting that we wouldn't be able to get our ticket punched here out of Iowa.

00:14:51.540 But I can tell you, because of your support, in spite of all of that that they threw at us, everyone against us, we've got our ticket punched out of Iowa.

00:15:06.280 Hmm.

00:15:07.480 I don't – I mean, you explain it to me.

00:15:11.080 I mean, ticket punched to where?

00:15:12.380 I mean, you know, to oblivion?

00:15:13.640 I mean, you're absolutely right, Megan.

00:15:14.860 He has no chance in New Hampshire.

00:15:16.860 That's obviously why he's going to South Carolina.

00:15:18.940 He has no chance in South Carolina.

00:15:21.540 I really don't understand why he'd even go to New Hampshire because the fact of the matter is, in New Hampshire now, you have Haley at 29 percent, but you have Christie still at 11 percent in the RCP average, which, you know, puts her pretty close to Trump.

00:15:37.660 If DeSantis were to drop out, he'd be handing New Hampshire to Trump.

00:15:41.880 So I'm absolutely baffled.

00:15:44.420 And I will say this.

00:15:45.300 I watched that speech last night, and I could be wrong about this.

00:15:48.460 Like, maybe this will come out eventually.

00:15:50.320 I think Ron DeSantis gave his victory speech.

00:15:53.100 It was absolutely bizarre.

00:15:54.840 He's talking about George Washington and the Civil War and this lofty language.

00:15:58.460 It's like, you're lost by a lot.

00:16:01.160 Like, the media said we were dead.

00:16:03.080 You are.

00:16:03.980 Like, what are you talking about?

00:16:06.760 Like, this doesn't make any sense what you're saying.

00:16:09.540 I do.

00:16:10.120 I think they didn't write a concessive speech, and he just went out and gave the victory speech anyway.

00:16:15.540 Look, it's—maybe they need some time.

00:16:19.880 There's stages of grief.

00:16:20.840 I think you mentioned there are people sort of slowly coming around to this.

00:16:23.760 But, yeah, DeSantis is finished.

00:16:26.180 Yeah.

00:16:26.760 Here's the thing.

00:16:27.720 John Cardillo, who's on X a lot, Stu, he's been a big DeSantis supporter, and he posted this post.

00:16:36.060 The primary is basically over, and so is my criticism of Trump.

00:16:40.120 I've said what I thought.

00:16:41.360 I wanted the more conservative guy.

00:16:43.100 Americans have spoken.

00:16:44.020 Our guy lost.

00:16:46.060 Dems will destroy us, so all of our fire must be directed at them.

00:16:50.080 110% must be directed at the left.

00:16:54.420 And there, you know, it went on from there.

00:16:56.700 But he's not the only one.

00:16:58.120 I think—look, I'd be thrilled to see Ron DeSantis go all the way through.

00:17:03.680 It didn't happen.

00:17:04.440 He needed to win Iowa.

00:17:05.460 That's the reality.

00:17:06.780 And now we just have to hold on until he realizes it, too.

00:17:09.740 As for Nikki Haley, I don't see a much better path for her.

00:17:14.800 She's probably going to come in a strong second in New Hampshire, but let's give her the benefit of the doubt and say she comes in first in New Hampshire.

00:17:21.840 She comes in first in New Hampshire.

00:17:23.400 He's then going to crush her in South Carolina and on Super Tuesday.

00:17:27.660 And that when DeSantis drops out, the notion that the DeSantis supporters are then going to go to Haley is questionable at best.

00:17:37.540 Yes, highly questionable and probably not going to happen.

00:17:42.120 You know, there's a new poll out in New Hampshire that has a 40-40 tie between Trump and Nikki Haley.

00:17:50.840 I mean, she really could win New Hampshire.

00:17:53.000 I mean, it's largely because Independent and Democrats are going to vote for her.

00:17:57.140 And that's not really a sustainable way to win a Republican primary.

00:18:01.980 However, the next state is South Carolina.

00:18:03.900 She does have 25% of the vote there, and she is, you're right, still far behind Trump.

00:18:09.420 But it's not theoretically impossible in her home state that if she wins New Hampshire, she gets a bump, she makes that close.

00:18:17.000 I think if I'm in her campaign, I'm still trying to play this out and seeing what happens.

00:18:22.560 It's not completely impossible.

00:18:24.840 I don't think it's sustainable.

00:18:25.920 And in a way, oddly, even with DeSantis finishing second, there's more of a path for DeSantis to win the nomination than there is Haley.

00:18:34.960 Just from the perspective of 70% of this population that's voting here are Donald Trump fans, and none of them are Nikki Haley fans.

00:18:43.360 So there's almost no crossover there.

00:18:45.240 The people that are voting for Ron DeSantis are generally Trump open.

00:18:50.000 They're not the huge skeptics that are going to go to Nikki Haley.

00:18:54.340 If Trump were to drop out or something, then you could see a path for Ron DeSantis.

00:18:58.260 And that really is his path at this point.

00:19:00.420 I mean, look, this is a situation, and I've been looking at this as a two-tier primary.

00:19:04.520 You have the normal contest that we've all become familiar with over the years where candidates buy to win.

00:19:10.000 And there's a secondary contest going on that we have to acknowledge, which is they might just throw Trump in prison.

00:19:15.540 Who knows what the Supreme Court says?

00:19:17.000 They might just take him off the ballots.

00:19:18.440 And if all those things start happening and the world goes crazy, I don't want to see the chaos that ensues from that.

00:19:24.880 But there has to be a second choice in an election like this because of the unique circumstances with Donald Trump and what they're trying to do with him.

00:19:32.880 I do think that it's important for us to look at these people and decide, hey, who is that second choice?

00:19:38.620 Because they have 91 indictments against Donald Trump.

00:19:42.540 They're not going to go 0 for 91.

00:19:44.300 I don't know how it's going to turn out, but they're going to go after him.

00:19:47.320 And at some point, they may present a circumstance where you need to go to an alternate.

00:19:53.080 I mean, it's true.

00:19:54.460 It's very true.

00:19:55.380 I don't think the party's going to voluntarily eject Trump after he's gotten the nomination.

00:19:59.720 But if he's sitting in a prison cell this summer when they have their nominating convention, the party's going to be faced with a serious choice.

00:20:09.140 And I don't know that they're going to nominate someone who's actually in jail, which is a slim possibility, but it is a possibility.

00:20:16.460 So you're right.

00:20:17.020 It's like, well, what's the backup?

00:20:18.960 Who's the backup?

00:20:19.860 Who's the first tier backup?

00:20:22.140 And perhaps that's the reason to keep this going.

00:20:24.540 I don't know.

00:20:25.860 Here's Nikki Haley messaging last night on that.

00:20:29.300 It's a two person race.

00:20:30.420 I'll play it for you.

00:20:31.060 Stop for.

00:20:32.800 When you look at how we're doing in New Hampshire, in South Carolina.

00:20:38.900 Indiana and beyond, I can safely say tonight, Iowa made this Republican primary a two person race.

00:20:52.620 OK, well, we'll see.

00:20:54.820 I mean, boy, she's really going to have to have some rabbits in her hat.

00:20:58.340 We'll see.

00:20:59.860 I want to talk about Vivek.

00:21:01.260 He admitted reality, which is he has zero path forward and endorsed Trump.

00:21:08.520 Not surprising.

00:21:09.920 Here's a little bit of what he said.

00:21:11.660 Satu.

00:21:13.280 As I've said since the beginning, there are two America first candidates in this race.

00:21:18.320 And earlier tonight, I called Donald Trump to tell him that I congratulated him on his victory.

00:21:24.720 And now going forward, he will have my full endorsement for the presidency.

00:21:30.180 And I think we're going to do the right thing for this country.

00:21:34.240 So he'll sound exactly the same tomorrow as he sounded yesterday in talking about Donald Trump,

00:21:39.360 except for that last final closing message of if you really like him, you should vote for me.

00:21:43.580 I have to say that's obviously the right course.

00:21:47.280 He did not have a path forward in this nomination.

00:21:49.880 But man, this has been a very fruitful and consequential run for him.

00:21:55.360 His name recognition has gone way up.

00:21:57.720 His social media presence and following has gone way up.

00:22:00.720 And he's created a lane within the Republican Party.

00:22:03.760 It's like a sliver within MAGA that really loves him and that sees him as the next generation Trump.

00:22:11.100 So I really think he might be like the Tim Scott message of not no, but not now kind of candidate.

00:22:18.820 What do you guys think?

00:22:19.460 Yeah, I agree.

00:22:22.440 I think that he does have a lane.

00:22:25.100 I think Haley has a lane.

00:22:26.080 I think DeSantis has a lane.

00:22:27.840 Donald Trump is almost certainly going to be the nominee.

00:22:31.020 Whether he wins the general election or loses, though, there's going to be a Republican Party after Donald Trump.

00:22:37.040 And that's a lot of what this race is about.

00:22:40.160 So for Nikki Haley, for example, if Nikki Haley were to just stick around and be getting 20, 25 percent here and there and was obviously the second place candidate in the 2024 GOP nomination, that's very good for the more hawkish people who want to give money to Ukraine, who are the staunch allies of Israel, people like that.

00:23:01.660 But Vivek obviously wants to throw Israel under the bus, wants to throw Ukraine under the bus.

00:23:06.480 And there is a there's a part of the GOP electorate that's on board with that.

00:23:10.900 So I think underneath Trump, watching all of this stuff play out is very interesting.

00:23:16.480 And I think that more than potentially winning the nomination is why you would see somebody like Haley stay in this race, get a major keynote speech at the convention and try to keep the neocon fire lit at least a little bit inside of the party.

00:23:31.300 And not for nothing, most Republican elected officials in Congress are a lot closer to Nikki Haley than they are to Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:23:38.680 I mean, by a lot.

00:23:39.340 That's right. That's right. And even that they are to Trump and Vivek's not a carbon copy of Trump.

00:23:44.340 I mean, I've said a lot repeatedly, I think Vivek is trying to be a carbon copy of Tucker.

00:23:48.200 I really fully believe he is.

00:23:51.400 He watches Tucker and tries to say what Tucker says.

00:23:53.940 Tucker's one of the most clever and gifted communicators that that we have on the right side of the country.

00:23:59.260 And Vivek is not somebody who's been in Republican politics at all.

00:24:05.040 You know, I don't even think he was voting Republican or voting at all for most of his adult life.

00:24:10.420 And it's like we watched him enter the race.

00:24:12.600 He was not woke. He made that his thing.

00:24:14.540 So, OK, but he wasn't saying anything that was pro Trump or pro MAGA as recently as a couple of years ago.

00:24:21.160 And then I really believe strongly he stumbled onto the Tucker message, listened to it, converted it, tried to make it his own.

00:24:27.320 And for me personally, it's why he doesn't sound as persuasive as Tucker does, because it's not in his heart.

00:24:31.460 He learned it and is repeating it.

00:24:33.680 But it isn't his.

00:24:35.140 Like with Tucker, it's sincere.

00:24:37.140 I know the guy.

00:24:38.200 I know Vivek some, too.

00:24:39.860 So he's got some learning to do.

00:24:41.340 He's got some committing it to hearts and like, I think, in order to really sell it as a politician.

00:24:46.040 Because I think voters at some level, they know if you're if you mean it or if you're just parroting it.

00:24:51.400 And I would say if I were advising Vivek, that's your next step.

00:24:54.280 You need to do more than learn it.

00:24:55.580 You actually have to love it and live it and figure out how these guys who are a little older, a little wiser and have been doing it longer than you have got to where they got.

00:25:03.860 Right. Like what drove Tucker there?

00:25:05.640 What as a guy who's who was the more national review bow tie wearing Republican for most of his life, Tucker got there organically.

00:25:13.000 That's the only way to really, truly land there.

00:25:15.120 So I do think Vivek has a future in politics if he wants it.

00:25:18.640 But I would say he's got some work to do.

00:25:21.640 Yeah, I think that's that's a really fair analysis.

00:25:24.400 I think he he does sometimes sound like he's speaking these things as his second language, though he is a talented communicator and a smart guy.

00:25:32.040 I think he's learned a lot of these points really well.

00:25:34.340 You can tell some of the books that he's read and ingested.

00:25:38.100 And, you know, people kind of make fun of him as that chat GPT sort of candidate.

00:25:41.320 But like you kind of get that from him where he has ingested a lot of material and he is really well spoken and has something to offer to conservative politics, especially if the if the Republican Party is going to be a MAGA party post Trump.

00:25:53.780 I don't think that's you know, look, you look at this as a Vivek Ramaswamy campaign worker or maybe him himself.

00:26:00.740 You have to look at this as a positive, right?

00:26:02.980 I mean, no one really knew who you were.

00:26:04.840 He wrote a couple of books about wokeness that were really good.

00:26:07.840 And he had, you know, he had something to say before this, but no one knew who the guy was.

00:26:12.100 He was, you know, invisible on the screen on the scene.

00:26:15.220 I kind of think of him and this a lot of people take this as a knock, but I don't mean it as a knock.

00:26:19.340 I kind of think of him as the Pete Buttigieg of this campaign.

00:26:22.560 We're like, look, Buttigieg kind of came out of nowhere.

00:26:25.640 No one knew who he was.

00:26:26.900 He had a little bit of a moment there where it seemed like, yeah, he was making a little bit of damage.

00:26:30.980 Is he the young up and coming candidate?

00:26:33.320 And then he winds up in some job inside the administration.

00:26:36.980 It sort of feels like that might be the path for Ramaswamy.

00:26:40.360 He has been undyingly loyal to Donald Trump.

00:26:44.880 I know, but to compare him to Pete Buttigieg is such an insult to poor Vivek.

00:26:50.360 Vivek, as you know, is brilliant.

00:26:53.120 He's so much smarter than that moron and tougher and just more clever and capable and has made a gazillion dollars in the private sector,

00:27:01.280 whereas Mayor Pete did absolutely nothing.

00:27:03.320 Other than run a small town.

00:27:05.160 I just I get it.

00:27:06.500 What you're saying is young whippersnapper whose name we didn't know.

00:27:10.400 And then after his presidential run, we did.

00:27:12.680 But just I'm sure you feel as I do about the intellectual comparison not holding up between those two men.

00:27:19.800 We have no idea how Vivek Ramaswamy would handle potholes in a small town.

00:27:24.780 And we do know that Pete can handle it.

00:27:26.680 So I don't know.

00:27:27.860 One point on each side, I think, Megan.

00:27:29.820 I'm going to go ahead and say Vivek would not go on a two month paternity leave either.

00:27:33.940 But, you know, we'll we'll we'll see.

00:27:36.120 His wife is still young.

00:27:37.260 They could still have more children.

00:27:38.900 Time may tell.

00:27:39.500 So Vivek will go on to become a powerful surrogate, I think, Dave, for probably Trump when Trump seals this thing up.

00:27:47.560 And that'll give MAGA the chance to fall in love with him all over again when there's not like that natural divider between him and Trump in the end and the messaging and all that.

00:27:54.600 But I don't know.

00:27:56.520 I'm not sure about whether any of these candidates will actually be well positioned to run in 2028.

00:28:02.060 You know, if Trump, let's say Trump wins.

00:28:03.820 Best case scenario for Republicans.

00:28:05.400 Who will be the favorites to run?

00:28:07.740 It's usually somebody who is like then a rising star.

00:28:11.600 Right.

00:28:11.820 It's like DeSantis won't be in office anymore.

00:28:14.320 Nikki Haley won't be in office anymore unless they accept Trump cabinet post, which I mean,

00:28:18.620 unless it's like an important cabinet post, it's not like secretary of transportation or HUD usually springboards you into the presidency.

00:28:26.620 VP, that's another thing.

00:28:27.980 But I don't think Trump's going to make any of these people his VP.

00:28:30.080 Do you?

00:28:32.440 I don't know.

00:28:34.300 The only one I think that he might is Haley.

00:28:38.040 And I'm not.

00:28:39.100 I think she's the least likely.

00:28:40.920 I'm not.

00:28:41.320 I'm not predicting that, you know, people that I've talked to have have suggested that this is on the table.

00:28:47.740 I think you saw, you know.

00:28:49.300 Nikki Haley's people?

00:28:51.300 No.

00:28:51.920 I mean, you saw, I think it was Jason Miller yesterday who was asked about Ramaswamy and had a hard no.

00:28:57.800 He won't be the VP.

00:28:58.860 He was asked about Haley and did not have a hard no.

00:29:02.660 This may sound strange, but part of the reason that I think that that Trump might go with Haley is to make all of his supporters who despise Haley swallow that, deal with it.

00:29:16.420 I think that's a very Trumpy thing to do.

00:29:19.720 It's kind of what he did with Mike Pence.

00:29:21.600 You have all these people online saying the base will revolt if it's Haley.

00:29:25.560 No, they won't.

00:29:26.680 What are they going to do?

00:29:27.100 They're going to vote for Biden?

00:29:28.480 They're going to stay home?

00:29:29.340 They won't.

00:29:29.700 They're going to do what Donald Trump tells them to do.

00:29:31.580 So, but no, I think he'll go someplace else.

00:29:35.460 But I really liked what you said about Vivek and, you know, sort of catching his own style.

00:29:41.340 I mean, as when you're a young writer, you're always writing in the style of the people that you like.

00:29:47.060 And it's kind of obvious.

00:29:48.460 And it takes a long time to incorporate all those things and find your own voice.

00:29:53.060 I do think that he has a real shot of being able to do that and being, you know, a compelling political voice in our country for really, I mean, probably till after I'm dead.

00:30:05.640 That was a fascinating thing.

00:30:07.400 I missed that with Jason Miller, who's Trump's representative and very close with Trump.

00:30:10.980 I think it was Jason Miller.

00:30:12.000 It was it was definitely one of them.

00:30:13.180 I believe it was Jason.

00:30:14.120 But but yeah, it was one of them.

00:30:16.120 I mean, you know, Nikki Haley is loathed right now by many who are on Team Trump as sort of his opposite.

00:30:23.480 And certainly Vivek supporters hate her.

00:30:27.120 But I am your point about it's very Trumpian appeals to me.

00:30:31.340 You're you're right about that.

00:30:32.960 I mean, he does like to sort of stick a finger in your eye.

00:30:36.680 Like I control MAGA and nobody other than yours truly controls MAGA and MAGA does what I tell them.

00:30:43.280 I mean, that is how Trump feels.

00:30:44.860 So maybe you're right.

00:30:46.440 This will be the ultimate test.

00:30:47.460 He thinks he can get because what he wants is to get back into the White House.

00:30:50.520 That's what he wants more than anything.

00:30:52.200 And if Nikki Haley could help him get there, then maybe I mean, the first rule of picking the VP, Stu, is do no harm.

00:30:58.020 That's the number one rule.

00:31:00.520 Yeah, that's that's very true.

00:31:01.620 And that's why it seems like Ramaswamy wouldn't really be the right candidate.

00:31:04.680 I mean, he's a very good communicator and he almost seemed like he'd be a really good press secretary.

00:31:10.220 Not that he would take that role.

00:31:11.440 But, you know, as a vice president, he would be able to be a powerful advocate, you know, a bulldog for Donald Trump.

00:31:19.340 But, you know, and I will say some of his negatives, you know, his occasional flourishes into strange 9-11 conversations wouldn't necessarily be as damaging to Trump as it would be to anyone else on Earth.

00:31:32.520 Like Trump seems to be able to navigate those waters better than but better than anyone.

00:31:36.920 But the thing about Haley, which I think is interesting, and I've been thinking about this the last couple of days.

00:31:41.680 Haley, the one thing I would think Donald Trump thinks about most when he thinks about a vice presidential candidate is not the three years and 364 days of undying loyalty he got from Mike Pence.

00:31:55.200 But the one day he feels like he didn't get it from Mike Pence.

00:31:59.500 And I can't imagine he's going to pick someone that he thinks in some big moment is going to pull out and say, no, Don, the Constitution is bigger than you or I.

00:32:11.360 Now, just taking out how I feel about what Mike Pence did, which I believe he did the right thing, Donald Trump does not.

00:32:18.080 And I can't imagine he's going to pick someone who's a constitutional scholar type or an establishment Republican who really cares about traditions.

00:32:27.740 I think he's going to want someone who's going to be able to bend to the Trumpian logic on some of these more controversial moments.

00:32:34.540 That's the biggest moment for him.

00:32:36.700 Yeah, I think that's a very good point, too.

00:32:38.420 So I think it's going to be a woman.

00:32:40.480 I think it's going to be a young woman.

00:32:41.800 And I don't think it's going to be Haley.

00:32:43.320 And I don't think it's going to be one of his competitors for what it's worth.

00:32:46.060 No, I mean, sounds like Kristi Noem.

00:32:48.640 I don't think it's going to be Kristi Noem.

00:32:51.500 You've got someone.

00:32:52.460 Megan, I can tell.

00:32:52.860 Do you have something to announce here, Megan?

00:32:55.620 Yeah, Megan, do you have an announcement to make here?

00:32:58.040 I know.

00:32:58.880 Yes, it's me.

00:32:59.760 Right.

00:33:00.140 Trump and I come a long way.

00:33:04.100 No, but I do have my suspicions.

00:33:06.340 I'm not ready to say them yet.

00:33:07.580 But I actually do.

00:33:08.580 I have a woman in mind that I just think he's going to choose.

00:33:11.740 And we'll see whether I'm right.

00:33:14.080 I'll be honest with you.

00:33:15.200 If he chooses somebody, if he picks a young woman and it's not mine, I'll tell you.

00:33:18.800 And if it is mine, I've told my team.

00:33:20.980 So they'll back me up on whether I have it right.

00:33:23.460 But I don't want to get ahead of my skis.

00:33:25.160 OK, so let's keep going, because the media coverage is my favorite thing to talk about

00:33:29.640 on nights like this, because anything involving Trump, any Republican, really, but Trump

00:33:34.900 especially brings out their true crazies.

00:33:37.300 And that's my tease.

00:33:38.220 We're going to take a break.

00:33:39.120 When we come back, my God, do I have some delicious goodness for you, gentlemen.

00:33:42.460 You're going to be so happy at these soundbites.

00:33:45.320 Stand by.

00:33:45.620 Just a minute on some of the numbers, guys, before we get on to the media.

00:33:54.780 This, according to The New York Times, yeah, Trump won 51 percent.

00:33:58.480 DeSantis won 21.2 percent.

00:34:00.140 Nikki Haley came in at 19.1 percent.

00:34:02.820 Vivek was down at seven.

00:34:05.060 Vivek's out.

00:34:05.780 Asa Hutchinson's out.

00:34:06.920 DeSantis and Haley say they're moving forward.

00:34:09.060 Trump won all.

00:34:10.080 This is via Politico.

00:34:11.020 Trump won all but one of Iowa's 99 counties.

00:34:16.280 Amazing.

00:34:17.160 Losing only Johnson County, home of the University of Iowa, to Nikki Haley by a single vote.

00:34:22.700 Think about that.

00:34:23.380 Just next time you think your vote doesn't matter.

00:34:26.160 That one person who didn't like Trump and said, I'm voting Haley, you know, you were the

00:34:29.860 one who cost him his perfect record on the counties there.

00:34:32.520 He cleaned up across key GOP voting demographics, winning not just a majority of white evangelical

00:34:38.100 Christians and non-college educated voters, but also a plurality of independents and college

00:34:43.640 grads.

00:34:44.840 The big controversy of the night, as you guys probably know, is the AP and well, actually

00:34:49.980 first it was CNN and then the AP and then CBS called the race for Trump 30 minutes into

00:34:55.520 the voting, 30 minutes in, while people were still caucusing and therefore still voting.

00:35:00.500 Now, the call was correct and the math they use, they do entrance polling where they say,

00:35:05.880 who are you going to vote for?

00:35:06.840 And they merge that.

00:35:08.040 They marry it up to actual vote that's coming in because some caucuses go quickly and they

00:35:13.660 get actual vote and some go slowly.

00:35:16.000 Those people didn't yet get counted when the AP and CNN and CBS called it.

00:35:20.320 But anyway, the formula does work and has worked for a long time.

00:35:23.580 But I understand the consternation of the DeSantis team in particular, that you shouldn't have

00:35:30.340 announced that Trump won when people were still caucusing, because especially for DeSantis

00:35:34.880 and Haley, who came in second and by how much did matter, right, Stu?

00:35:40.580 I mean, I can get why it did matter.

00:35:43.160 And, you know, the networks, they played a role last night that, you know, you don't want

00:35:48.240 to see TV networks and press outlets playing.

00:35:50.340 I can understand how you'd be upset over this if you were a Haley supporter or a DeSantis

00:35:55.440 supporter.

00:35:56.840 You know, you're in, I mean, I talked to people who were in Iowa, they spent their time for

00:36:02.360 months walking around to people's homes, knocking on doors.

00:36:05.900 They show up as one of the caucus captains for Ron DeSantis.

00:36:09.580 They're about to make their big speech and they get a text that says Donald Trump has won

00:36:14.400 the caucus.

00:36:15.160 I mean, that's incredibly frustrating.

00:36:17.180 And, you know, the way these networks, you know, Megan, they usually wait until the votes

00:36:21.340 are cast, right?

00:36:22.800 Like they might close the polls and call it immediately because they believe their exit

00:36:26.520 polling is good enough to be able to do that, which, you know, is fine if you get it right.

00:36:31.700 But when people are still in the middle of voting, it's just not the right thing to do.

00:36:36.080 The caucus runs in a strange fashion.

00:36:38.420 It's not like a normal primary or voting period where, you know, there's a time that all the

00:36:43.780 voting stops and you can safely think that no one else is voting.

00:36:47.080 It starts at what was at seven o'clock last night and people make speeches and they argue

00:36:51.940 and they horse trade and they do all sorts of things.

00:36:54.140 And it takes an hour, sometimes even longer.

00:36:57.260 They really should give enough time for people to be able to cast their votes.

00:37:01.060 So, you know, all this effort, all these millions of dollars that people pour into the

00:37:05.360 state for this one night.

00:37:07.960 Why are you going to blow it up 20 minutes into it?

00:37:10.200 It doesn't make much sense.

00:37:11.180 It doesn't do anything for anyone being a little earlier on a call where the race is

00:37:16.280 30 points.

00:37:17.940 What does that do for the Associated Press?

00:37:20.320 Nothing.

00:37:21.200 And it makes people doubt the process just a little bit more.

00:37:25.600 That's the thing, Davis, is like on primary night, they wouldn't like they wouldn't call

00:37:29.180 the state of New York until all the polls in New York had closed, meaning, you know,

00:37:33.280 that the voting is officially done.

00:37:35.380 It's not counted, but it's done.

00:37:37.500 So you're not affecting vote.

00:37:38.680 The caucuses, explains the AP in an article that's entitled Why AP Called Iowa for Trump,

00:37:45.560 Race Call Explained, are different, they say.

00:37:48.840 There are no, quote, polls and no fixed time when all the voting ends.

00:37:54.340 So they just did their best to call it before the voting ended, which really, it is controversial.

00:38:00.400 Again, it wasn't wrong.

00:38:01.960 Trump won.

00:38:02.560 He won by a large margin.

00:38:03.680 But I can see how it suppressed potential vote.

00:38:06.960 Now, we don't know whether those people whose vote was still in the mix would have gone Trump,

00:38:11.340 would have gone Haley, would have gone dissent.

00:38:12.700 We don't know.

00:38:13.620 But I can see if you're in a race toward a better percentage, how you'd be ticked off

00:38:18.380 that there was like a thumb placed on the scale.

00:38:20.620 I suppose I don't think it makes any actual difference in the real world.

00:38:27.240 I mean, I can't.

00:38:28.280 I speak to a lot of voters.

00:38:29.780 I haven't met a lot of voters who I feel like would be sitting, would have made the trip to

00:38:35.700 the caucus, be sitting there, know who they're going to vote for, get this text and either

00:38:39.920 leave or say like, oh, well, now it's pointless.

00:38:42.860 Look, maybe wait an hour.

00:38:44.100 I think the AP has a point in that, like, do we have to wait until every single caucus

00:38:48.740 is over?

00:38:49.340 Do we have to wait until half of them?

00:38:50.940 There's probably some middle ground to find here, like maybe wait an hour after the caucus

00:38:56.900 is open or something.

00:38:58.880 But listen, it's a poor musician who blames their instrument.

00:39:02.820 It's a poor politician who blames the media.

00:39:04.940 It's not a winning argument.

00:39:07.520 I thought Haley was kind of smart to just ignore it and let it go.

00:39:12.160 And I don't think it sways voters.

00:39:13.740 I mean, I don't know.

00:39:16.280 I think this is a quick fix.

00:39:17.580 I don't think it's that big of a story.

00:39:20.860 But, you know, when you have a tough night, you grasp onto whatever you can, I guess.

00:39:26.400 Well, Trump was not complaining.

00:39:28.260 And, you know, he has complained in the past when he lost to Ted Cruz in 16.

00:39:34.840 He claimed that vote was not trustworthy and that he, in fact, won.

00:39:38.140 Even though Trump went on to win the nomination, he's still trying to relitigate that.

00:39:40.980 But I will tell you this.

00:39:42.920 The networks never change.

00:39:44.660 They, during Trump's victory speech, decided to cut away.

00:39:50.220 He's too controversial to listen to because, you see, he lies.

00:39:55.540 He lies.

00:39:56.380 And that is why Rachel Maddow's MSNBC cannot tolerate his victory speech.

00:40:02.400 Here's how she explained it in Sot 10.

00:40:04.220 There is a reason that we and other news organizations have generally stopped giving an unfiltered live platform to remarks by former President Trump.

00:40:14.000 It is not out of spite.

00:40:15.160 It is not a decision that we relish.

00:40:17.540 It is a decision that we regularly revisit.

00:40:21.720 And honestly, earnestly, it is not an easy decision.

00:40:25.140 But there is a cost to us as a news organization of knowingly broadcasting untrue things.

00:40:32.360 Is there really?

00:40:33.620 I take you to some examples of Rachel Maddow's untrue things over the past few years.

00:40:39.620 Watch.

00:40:41.080 Now we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person.

00:40:48.160 Well, if there were going to look at potential tax evasion, what would they need to look at in order to look for potential tax evasion?

00:40:54.240 What I have here is a copy of Donald Trump's tax returns.

00:40:58.960 He paid $38 million.

00:41:01.440 It looks like $38 million in taxes.

00:41:03.820 Ahead of that meeting, they knew it was the Russian government.

00:41:06.500 Ahead of that meeting, the president's son, according to this new reporting, was informed,

00:41:10.840 hey, the Russian government has dirt on Hillary Clinton.

00:41:14.140 And apparently the response to that was...

00:41:18.800 Gimme.

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00:41:29.780 Russia.

00:41:29.900 Russia.

00:41:30.100 Russian.

00:41:30.160 Russian.

00:41:30.400 Russian.

00:41:30.700 Russian government.

00:41:31.560 The report of special counsel Robert Mueller has finally been submitted.

00:41:35.920 This is the start of something, apparently, not the end of something.

00:41:40.120 But there's a cost to saying untrue things still, so we have to silence Trump.

00:41:46.240 I like Racial Maddow's Untrue Things is the new name of her show.

00:41:50.380 I think that would flow really nicely and would catch on quickly.

00:41:55.000 I object to the fact that she never changes her clothing.

00:41:58.000 She is wearing pretty much the same outfit every single night.

00:42:00.660 It's a uniform, and it's not a good enough outfit to use as your everyday standby.

00:42:05.580 As a guy who wears the same suit every single night, I can't complain.

00:42:09.160 But I will say that it's interesting to watch this happen with the media.

00:42:13.380 They're so sure that not allowing Trump to communicate with voters is a good idea.

00:42:19.540 And if the goal is to stop Trump, sometimes maybe the opposite should be true.

00:42:25.440 I mean, I think we talked about the softening of Republican voters from January 6th on through this primary.

00:42:31.780 Part of that is, I think, absence kind of makes the heart grow fonder.

00:42:36.300 Time heals all wounds, right?

00:42:38.260 I think the fact that he was not in everyone's face.

00:42:40.740 It also wounds all heals.

00:42:41.480 Yeah, it does do that as well.

00:42:43.320 It's one of those things where if he was on Twitter every single day like he used to be,

00:42:47.860 you know, if everyone was on Truth Social and seeing the things that he said,

00:42:51.800 look, the guy came out and said he was going to suspend the Constitution.

00:42:55.340 It was that big of a deal, the 2020 election.

00:42:57.320 That made me cringe like nobody's business.

00:43:00.380 But most people who like Donald Trump didn't even know he said it.

00:43:04.000 A lot of the stuff that Ron DeSantis tried to bring up as counterarguments

00:43:07.380 were things that Trump had said, and people weren't even aware of them.

00:43:11.060 I don't know that that would have changed the election.

00:43:12.780 I think Trump is in a very unique position.

00:43:14.460 But when it comes to a general election, I do think we're in a different position.

00:43:18.480 Trump is probably helped by the fact that it looks like, number one,

00:43:22.620 everyone's trying to take him off the ballot, trying to throw him in prison,

00:43:25.640 trying to silence him.

00:43:27.400 You know, this is what unites people around.

00:43:29.980 They don't learn.

00:43:31.480 They don't get it.

00:43:32.200 They'll just like today, this morning.

00:43:33.760 Trump today, Dave, he's right off of his victory,

00:43:38.040 not going on the campaign trail immediately.

00:43:40.280 He's going to New York.

00:43:41.300 He's where you are and steps from where I am to attend the E.

00:43:46.540 Jean Carroll defamation damages trial.

00:43:51.260 She won a defamation judgment against him.

00:43:53.540 And then he doubled down and said the same stuff about her being a kook.

00:43:56.440 And she said, hey, same sin, more money.

00:44:00.180 And now the judge trying to determine how much more money Trump is going to have to pay

00:44:03.620 E.

00:44:03.820 Jean Carroll, if any.

00:44:05.200 So he decided, clearly he doesn't need to be there.

00:44:07.200 This is civil.

00:44:07.760 He doesn't have to be there.

00:44:08.360 Like, he's chosen to call attention to it.

00:44:11.520 Trump understands that him being battered around by the legal system

00:44:15.080 is a very good thing for his electoral prospects.

00:44:18.060 CNN, MSNBC do not understand that.

00:44:20.640 Just this morning on CNN, the whole panel of experts,

00:44:23.760 they had David Axelrod, they had him all sitting around like,

00:44:25.800 I don't understand.

00:44:27.040 Like, he's so dumb.

00:44:29.600 Like, he doesn't get it.

00:44:30.480 He doesn't understand.

00:44:31.340 That's not what he should be calling attention to.

00:44:33.300 They don't understand.

00:44:34.880 He gets it better than they do.

00:44:36.280 Yeah, I mean, how stupid does Rachel Maddow have to thank her audiences to believe that

00:44:43.300 if she allows them to even watch a speech by Donald Trump, they're going to be so mystified

00:44:49.160 by, you know, his lying rhetoric that they're going to become pro-MAGA.

00:44:52.980 I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous.

00:44:55.240 I was talking to a buddy of mine who writes it.

00:44:58.220 I wouldn't call it a liberal outlet, but a sort of down the line outlet about this very

00:45:02.720 great question.

00:45:03.360 And he said to me, well, isn't it possible, David, that the way Trump lies is different

00:45:08.200 than what we're used to from normal politicians, and this is why we feel like we have to take

00:45:12.940 extra measures?

00:45:13.580 And I said, well, maybe, but wait a minute, because Joe Biden told me that he had never

00:45:18.440 spoken about business with Hunter Biden, right?

00:45:22.540 Jen Psaki assured me that when artist Hunter Biden was going to be selling these paintings,

00:45:27.860 that there was some really firm ethical standard, I mean, that was just a blatant lie, right?

00:45:33.200 She refused to answer how many cases of COVID we had in the White House and whether there

00:45:37.880 were breakthrough cases.

00:45:38.820 I mean, these politicians lie to us all the time.

00:45:41.840 Trump may do it in a somewhat different way, but you're right.

00:45:45.900 He's out there.

00:45:47.000 I mean, look at the difference between how Donald Trump is handling his legal woes, literally

00:45:51.520 making speeches every day, insisting that he is innocent at the courthouses, and the way

00:45:57.420 that Joe Biden is dealing with his impeachment and his legal situation.

00:46:00.400 Oh, I can't talk about that.

00:46:01.860 It's an ongoing investigation.

00:46:03.600 I'm sure that Trump's lawyers would love him to just shut up about all this stuff, but

00:46:07.780 he's not going to do it.

00:46:08.860 And that is a huge part of his appeal.

00:46:12.040 And no one has figured out, you know, maybe don't, instead of just second guessing him,

00:46:17.780 maybe ask yourself another question about whether you're the ones who don't understand the

00:46:21.740 strategy, because Trump is laughing all the way to the presidency.

00:46:25.000 That's the thing.

00:46:26.500 Like, okay, I mean, it might be time for you over at MSNBC and CNN to reevaluate your media

00:46:32.520 tactics, which are, yes, of course, securing the nomination for him.

00:46:37.120 But from the way this looks, it's going to go right down to securing the presidency for

00:46:40.960 the man.

00:46:41.640 They don't get it, Stu.

00:46:43.180 They still think they know better.

00:46:46.160 That is their way.

00:46:47.540 This is what they believe about every single topic, including your health care and how much

00:46:52.460 of your money you should be giving them.

00:46:54.680 This is the policy that they continually follow.

00:46:58.700 And I agree with you.

00:47:00.080 They don't understand that this is the reason why he has such a lock over Republican voters

00:47:07.480 right now.

00:47:08.200 Now, look, there's an argument to be made that they kind of like this right now, right?

00:47:11.820 They know how to fight Donald Trump.

00:47:13.780 They believe they can beat him again.

00:47:15.320 They might believe he's the only candidate on the right that they can actually beat.

00:47:19.020 And I do think that there's something to that belief on their side.

00:47:22.920 That's what they think can happen.

00:47:24.160 It's a risky proposition, but it seems to be the one they're entering into.

00:47:27.580 Whether that actually works.

00:47:28.720 I mean, the polling's not showing it.

00:47:30.300 I mean, look, does Nikki Haley poll a little bit better in the general election most of the

00:47:33.600 time?

00:47:34.040 Yeah, I guess.

00:47:34.780 But there's no chance of getting to the general election.

00:47:37.440 But not that much.

00:47:38.560 Not by that much.

00:47:39.360 One poll that showed her considerably higher than Trump against Biden, but most of them show

00:47:43.680 it just by a couple of points.

00:47:45.100 Stand by.

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00:48:47.640 Guys, the Democrats and the left-wing press's obsession with race and their knee-jerk reaction

00:48:59.320 to insert it into any story, including election results, was on full display last night.

00:49:06.500 I start with, of course, the worst culprit, who is Joy Reid.

00:49:10.320 Got a couple of examples, but we'll start with Sot6.

00:49:13.020 The important sort of data point, that this is a state that is overrepresented by white

00:49:20.640 Christians that are going to participate in these caucuses, especially tonight.

00:49:24.540 I, earlier today, reached out to Robert Jones, Robbie Jones, from the Public Religion Research

00:49:29.320 Institute, knowing that we were going to talk about Iowa.

00:49:32.000 And this is a hyper-evangelical white state.

00:49:35.160 And he said the following to me, Iowa is about 61% white Christian.

00:49:39.100 The country as a whole is approximately 41% white Christian.

00:49:43.020 And in Iowa, we're talking about evangelical white Christians.

00:49:45.920 Because I asked him, what do they get out of supporting Donald Trump?

00:49:49.320 Because he keeps losing, he keeps delivering losses and losses and losses.

00:49:52.880 And he said the following, they see themselves as the rightful inheritors of this country.

00:49:58.420 And Trump has promised to give it back to them.

00:50:02.480 All the things that we think about, about electability, about, you know, what are people gaming out?

00:50:07.100 None of that matters when you believe that God has given you this country, that it is yours,

00:50:13.960 and that everyone who is not a white conservative Christian is a fraudulent American, is a less

00:50:20.780 real American.

00:50:23.520 Then you don't care about electability.

00:50:25.320 Got it, Dave?

00:50:26.120 It's the whiteys and their sense of entitlement that explains Trump's rise in the polls.

00:50:32.020 The problematic whites who have a sense of entitlement.

00:50:35.180 Yeah, I'd like to think that that news alert was like somebody in the booth who was like,

00:50:40.800 can we shut this woman up?

00:50:42.200 I think, is there anything, like, is there any news that we can break with?

00:50:46.540 Yeah, just stop it.

00:50:48.000 You know, Eagles down by 10, you know, whatever.

00:50:50.540 Sorry, Stu, it's sorry to me too.

00:50:53.360 No, look, it's, aside from being itself racist, aside from just being utterly and completely

00:51:02.980 inaccurate in terms of the way that white voters, you know, many of whom voted for Obama, right?

00:51:09.820 I mean, we know that this is abject foolishness.

00:51:13.180 It's also just gotten enormously boring.

00:51:15.660 I mean, it's just the same thing over and over and over with no new results.

00:51:21.800 And I guess that the idiots who watch MSNBC who aren't smart enough to watch a Donald Trump speech

00:51:27.840 without suddenly turning into, you know, red-hatted MAGA people enjoy hearing Joy Reid say these things.

00:51:34.440 But I think it's telling that that clip is on your show rather than on Joe Biden's ex-account.

00:51:40.700 Because I don't know who rhetoric like that possibly helps.

00:51:45.620 It's so divisive.

00:51:46.820 It's so wrong.

00:51:47.500 That's the business she's in.

00:51:50.320 She doubled down because, you see, in Joy Reid's view, Nikki Haley didn't come in third in Iowa

00:51:56.600 because her message didn't resonate with a state full of voters who lean more conservative.

00:52:03.160 It's because she's got brown skin.

00:52:06.340 And the hateful Republicans, it's a hard no to somebody with her background.

00:52:11.100 Take a listen to SOT 7.

00:52:13.560 It's the elephant in the room.

00:52:15.140 She's still a brown lady that's got to try to win in a party that is deeply anti-immigrant

00:52:22.960 and which accepts the notion that you can say immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country.

00:52:27.640 She's getting, you know, birthered by Donald Trump.

00:52:31.380 Ron DeSantis' only argument for staying in it is he's the white guy that he can still make the appeal to white people.

00:52:36.800 Can you imagine looking at the world like this?

00:52:41.020 This woman has a primetime show on MSNBC.

00:52:46.000 This is a deep psychosis, I believe.

00:52:50.960 It is something that is strange and I don't understand it.

00:52:54.080 I will tell you, I've never met anyone in my entire life who's a white person who thinks they are the rightful inheritors of this country.

00:53:01.960 They believe in the fundamental principles of this country, the founding principles of this country, and they want to protect those.

00:53:08.940 That's a cultural argument.

00:53:10.660 That is an argument of institutions.

00:53:14.160 That is not an argument of color of skin.

00:53:17.100 You know, I think I live by this rule.

00:53:19.740 I try to live by this rule.

00:53:20.960 I encourage everyone to live by this rule.

00:53:22.380 I think most people do, which is never, ever in your entire life make a decision, any decision based on skin color for any reason.

00:53:28.940 That's a really simple, simple rule that I think most Americans strive to follow.

00:53:35.260 It's not always perfect.

00:53:36.960 Certainly there are people who make decisions based on skin color.

00:53:40.280 There probably are people who are like she describes.

00:53:43.480 I guess they exist.

00:53:45.040 Never met one, but maybe they do.

00:53:47.680 Maybe those are the people with the tiki torches back in Charlottesville.

00:53:50.620 I don't know.

00:53:51.440 It's Joy Reid.

00:53:53.120 It is.

00:53:54.240 It is.

00:53:54.860 There is a thirst for this racism to exist.

00:54:00.360 There is a lust for it to exist.

00:54:02.660 There is a lust for it to explain all bad things so they can justify all of their own mistakes and losses and disappointments in life.

00:54:14.300 And this comes from the left.

00:54:15.820 I mean, you know, talk to conservative people of color.

00:54:18.720 They don't think this way.

00:54:19.860 I talk to people all around the country of all different colors and sizes and everything else.

00:54:26.700 People want to see others based on merit.

00:54:29.340 That's what that's what the country's foundation is.

00:54:31.780 Merit.

00:54:32.640 And instead, they're trying to turn this into a place where we're bringing back decision making based on skin color.

00:54:38.820 I thought we all agreed that was a bad time.

00:54:41.520 That was the wrong way to go.

00:54:43.280 I thought we all agreed on that.

00:54:44.980 And for some reason, they're trying to drag it back into modern times.

00:54:49.480 Leave it back 100, 200, 300 years ago.

00:54:52.920 You know, Trump has he said the thing about immigrants are poisoning the blood.

00:54:57.880 And there's a real question about whether some of the immigrants coming across our southern border are.

00:55:03.940 We know they are bringing fentanyl into this country and literally poisoning the blood, literally being responsible for poisoning the blood of Americans to the tune of 100,000 deaths a year.

00:55:12.640 This has been something Trump's been raging about for a while.

00:55:15.420 But in the eyes of every MSNBC host, it's just one drop of immigrant blood makes you unacceptable to Republicans.

00:55:22.100 That's where they've gone with it.

00:55:23.440 One drop of immigrant blood makes you a hard no for the racist GOP.

00:55:27.760 Her colleague over on MSNBC, Lawrence O'Donnell, took it there as well.

00:55:32.400 It wasn't a one off.

00:55:33.920 Listen to him.

00:55:34.480 The CBS poll, their final poll before the Iowa caucus, this is a national poll, shows that 81% of Republican primary voters and caucus participants, 81% of those people agree with Donald Trump that immigrants are poisoning the blood of this country.

00:55:57.860 That means that 81% of the Republican primary electorate believe Nikki Haley has poisoned blood and is poisoning the blood of the United States.

00:56:11.920 Like, I can't.

00:56:14.000 It's literally married to an immigrant.

00:56:16.940 It's literally married to an immigrant.

00:56:20.100 Right.

00:56:20.420 Good point.

00:56:20.720 This is so absurd.

00:56:21.980 I guess it's like Barron's blood is poisoned under this rationale, this logic.

00:56:27.260 No, I mean, his fake sanctimony and gravitas, his attempt to tell you that 81% believe this.

00:56:37.360 They're like, it's amazing to me that they have even two viewers left.

00:56:40.720 This is the only thing that they traffic in.

00:56:43.100 This and all bad news for Trump is bad and all good news for Trump is bad.

00:56:48.760 But that brings me to my next point over on MSNBC.

00:56:53.460 So you wonder, with Trump getting—because they had been saying for weeks in advance of Iowa, like, he's got to get over 50%.

00:56:58.220 Anything less than 50% is a loss for Trump.

00:57:01.960 Well, he did it.

00:57:02.980 He got over 51%.

00:57:04.440 So was MSNBC going to say, you know what?

00:57:07.020 He did it.

00:57:07.800 Stronger than ever.

00:57:08.660 I get it.

00:57:09.180 Whatever.

00:57:09.500 That's what the—no.

00:57:10.880 That, too, is a bad sign for Trump.

00:57:15.000 An ominous sign, in fact, Dave.

00:57:16.880 Marcus, take a listen to this montage we put together of that reaction.

00:57:21.840 If Barack Obama took four years off and then ran in a Democratic caucus in Iowa, would 50% of Democrats vote against Barack Obama?

00:57:35.520 We can all sit here and, you know, put on sackcloth and ashes and moan about Donald Trump getting 51% of the vote.

00:57:45.080 I've got to say, for people who actually want to win general elections, that's not good news.

00:57:49.380 50% of people voting into Iowa caucuses against a former president is bad news for that party's prospects in the general election.

00:57:59.180 Not good news.

00:57:59.940 Almost half of the base of the Republican Party showing up for this caucus tonight voted against Donald Trump.

00:58:08.240 Think about that.

00:58:09.160 First of all, 50-50 for an incumbent really sucks.

00:58:13.780 This is not good for Donald Trump.

00:58:16.160 Have they seen the approval ratings on Joe Biden, Dave?

00:58:22.600 Have they seen the number of Democrats who do not want Joe Biden to be the nominee and would happily rush to the polls if the Democratic Party would allow a real challenger?

00:58:34.060 Oh, I'll do you one better than that, Megan, and, you know, bookmark all of those segments for a week from now.

00:58:41.480 I just looked at a poll that shows Dean Phillips at 28% in New Hampshire.

00:58:46.180 Now, most viewers are saying who is Dean Phillips, as I was about two weeks ago.

00:58:51.440 He's at 28%.

00:58:52.820 Joe Biden is at about 50% to 55% in these New Hampshire polls.

00:58:58.200 Now, the Democrats pulled a fast one, right?

00:59:00.220 They said, oh, these votes won't count.

00:59:01.700 We're not even putting Joe Biden on the ballot.

00:59:03.440 But I'm under no obligation to buy into that fast one and say I'm not going to pay any attention to this.

00:59:10.580 Fact of the matter is, Joe Biden is at about the same place in New Hampshire as the actual incumbent president, as what Donald Trump performed at yesterday in Iowa.

00:59:22.200 Now, all these clowns on MSNBC, if, you know, Phillips gets 30% of the vote, are they going to have the same reaction?

00:59:29.300 Of course they aren't.

00:59:31.120 I mean, whatever Donald Trump does is bad.

00:59:34.240 It's bad for the country.

00:59:35.140 It's bad for Trump.

00:59:35.960 It's bad for everybody except MSNBC thinks it's ratings, I suppose.

00:59:41.000 But, yeah, of course you're right.

00:59:43.020 I mean, they said he's got to hit 50%.

00:59:45.140 Oh, he did?

00:59:48.100 And that was it, right?

00:59:49.240 Yeah, it's it's the thing is, too, it's he needed to hit a higher bar, even though the first time around in 16, I think he won Iowa with 26%, went on to secure the nomination.

00:59:59.480 The Republican Party at large hated him, hated him.

01:00:03.260 Right.

01:00:03.380 He lost.

01:00:04.060 But he he hit, I think, 26%.

01:00:05.840 The Republican Party hated him, went on to vote for him.

01:00:08.640 As I said before, 90% over came home for Trump.

01:00:12.000 If they don't think the party's going to come home against Joe Biden, they haven't been paying attention.

01:00:17.720 And not just the party.

01:00:18.860 But there are a fair amount of Democrats and independents, in particular Democrats, who weren't allowed to vote in Iowa last night, who are also going to cross party lines to vote for Donald Trump this time because of their wallets.

01:00:32.300 Yeah, you know, and that is the key to this election, I think, for Donald Trump, if he is the nominee, which it looks like he will be.

01:00:38.540 Obviously, there is a part of this, and this is what the left is hanging their hats on, that Donald Trump will come back in, he'll say all these things, people will be reminded about the things they didn't like about him.

01:00:49.760 This will become a referendum on Donald Trump instead of a referendum on Joe Biden.

01:00:55.120 And that's the path to victory for Joe Biden.

01:00:57.460 It's, again, a really risky strategy.

01:00:59.620 But if this happens to be a referendum on Joe Biden, he doesn't have a chance.

01:01:04.640 Right.

01:01:04.900 This has been a catastrophe.

01:01:06.300 This has been, you know, four years, coming up on four years of disappointment after disappointment after disappointment.

01:01:12.480 The border is in worse shape than it's ever been.

01:01:15.460 We just went through a high inflationary period.

01:01:18.160 Now the point that they're bragging that it's come down to just slightly elevated percentages.

01:01:23.160 We have what's going on in Ukraine, what happened in Afghanistan.

01:01:27.500 All of these situations going on at the same time, he's mismanaged each and every one of them to one degree or another.

01:01:33.840 And in normal times, this would not be difficult.

01:01:37.660 This would the American people would be able to say, OK, this has been a bad four years.

01:01:42.560 Let's go back to the guy with low inflation.

01:01:44.440 And when everyone had jobs and the economy was roaring and sure, we had our problems.

01:01:49.320 But they seem minor in comparison to what we have now.

01:01:53.780 Donald Trump does have a unique ability to rest the news cycle away from those types of thoughts.

01:01:59.000 And that is what the media, I think, is planning on trying to accomplish once we get past this primary period.

01:02:06.140 We will see if that's successful.

01:02:07.860 But what a risk.

01:02:09.120 What a risk, Megan, for someone that they claim is literally Hitler, right?

01:02:13.180 If they if that's who they think this guy is, the very last thing they should be doing is acting like this and empowering him through this primary.

01:02:21.400 And probably winning over people who are just looking at this and saying, it's just unfair what they're doing to this guy.

01:02:27.140 I care about democracy.

01:02:28.180 I do.

01:02:28.780 You keep saying we should care about democracy.

01:02:30.560 Then don't take the other option off the ballot.

01:02:33.220 Don't throw the other guy in prison.

01:02:35.300 People are reacting really negatively to this, and it may wind up burning them in a huge way.

01:02:40.580 Yeah, that was the line of the day.

01:02:42.220 Very funny.

01:02:42.780 Here's a little bit more of them trying to drive home to, I guess, the two open minded MSNBC watchers on why Trump is so bad and you could not possibly consider him or the very, very good Joe Biden.

01:02:59.840 Listen to SOT 12.

01:03:02.020 With Joe Biden, you've got a guy who grew up in a family whose dad struggled as he got older.

01:03:08.300 Joe Biden went through one tragedy after another.

01:03:13.620 He lost a wife and a baby girl in a tragic car accident.

01:03:18.460 He lost a son to cancer.

01:03:22.060 His other son struggles with addiction.

01:03:25.760 And through it all, you have Joe Biden persevering.

01:03:29.160 And on the other side, he's running against a guy who right now is trashing American democracy.

01:03:37.380 He's a draft dodger.

01:03:39.140 His daddy gave him $400 million.

01:03:42.020 He inherited $400 million, which he lost.

01:03:45.240 A New York judge says he's a rapist.

01:03:48.720 He's been caught stealing nuclear secrets.

01:03:53.720 So it's interesting.

01:03:55.560 I was there in 2015 and 16 when Trump ran the first time.

01:04:00.420 He had already, quote, dodged the draft.

01:04:03.400 He was already born with a silver spoon in his mouth.

01:04:05.480 He had already been given $400 million by his dad.

01:04:08.960 And this is Joe Scarborough and Morning Joe back then.

01:04:13.220 And he's going to offer you the vice presidential nomination.

01:04:15.660 Will you accept it?

01:04:16.660 I'll do anything that will get.

01:04:21.640 Will stop us from eight more years like the past eight years we've had.

01:04:26.120 Do you don't want me to do the ones with deportation?

01:04:31.900 Nothing.

01:04:32.340 Nothing too hard, Mika.

01:04:33.280 Okay.

01:04:33.900 It's a family affair.

01:04:35.520 They say you can tell a lot about a person by their children.

01:04:38.880 Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump joined their father here on set.

01:04:42.920 Your three children that, I mean, everybody talks about how they're hard workers.

01:04:50.340 Is Donald Trump a summer flame?

01:04:52.340 No, I suspect maybe he's going to be an autumn affair as well as a summer flame.

01:04:56.360 And you know it's my hair.

01:04:58.080 Well, I do because I tugged on it once.

01:05:00.600 Mika, what do you mean pretty good?

01:05:01.980 You know you loved it.

01:05:04.780 Wow.

01:05:05.980 Trump, you're naughty.

01:05:10.640 Scarborough literally saying he would be Trump's VP.

01:05:15.460 Same guy.

01:05:16.300 Why did the draft thing happen in between 15 and 23?

01:05:21.580 Because I don't remember that.

01:05:24.580 Yeah, no, it didn't.

01:05:25.860 Can I just say that?

01:05:26.520 I've always felt so bad for Joe Biden's dad.

01:05:29.520 I mean, every time you hear about Joe Biden's dad, like he's worried about money.

01:05:35.200 It's like you're hearing some conversation from the bedroom.

01:05:37.500 Like, I don't know if we're going to make the rent, sweetie.

01:05:39.760 I'm really worried.

01:05:40.880 It's like every story about Joe Biden's dad, this poor guy.

01:05:45.380 Like, I mean, I'm glad finally it worked out for the family.

01:05:48.560 But no, I mean, look, it's ridiculous.

01:05:52.220 Stu brought up the people who held their nose to vote for Trump in 2016.

01:05:55.980 I didn't.

01:05:56.720 I was very worried about Trump.

01:05:58.520 I didn't know what the hell this guy was going to do.

01:06:00.980 And I did not vote for Donald Trump in 2016.

01:06:04.280 Took me about a year to realize that, like, the sky wasn't falling.

01:06:08.620 The bunch of stuff was happening that, like, I kind of liked.

01:06:11.340 And I said, OK, I was wrong about this.

01:06:13.580 This is fine.

01:06:14.520 These guys somehow went the complete opposite direction where they started off at, you know,

01:06:20.120 oh, don't worry.

01:06:21.020 Like, we've known him for a while.

01:06:22.240 It'll be fine.

01:06:23.340 Went through four years of outside of Democrats in Congress going insane.

01:06:28.100 Four years of relative normalcy.

01:06:29.980 And now their hair is on fire.

01:06:31.840 You're right.

01:06:32.380 It makes absolutely no sense.

01:06:35.060 That's what a lot of people believe did it, that Trump did not select Joe Scarborough as

01:06:39.540 his VP.

01:06:40.560 Oh, many people say that was the beginning of the turn where suddenly Trump didn't look

01:06:44.820 all shiny and fun anymore.

01:06:47.680 And they were getting all sorts of blowback from people.

01:06:50.480 Do you think Scarborough would have done what Trump asked him to do at the Capitol?

01:06:57.260 No, I don't.

01:06:58.440 No.

01:06:58.840 I don't.

01:06:59.700 No, I wouldn't impugn Scarborough that way.

01:07:01.820 I really think you'd have to be a complete Trump lackey to have done what he asked, which

01:07:06.420 was totally inappropriate.

01:07:07.680 And I think Mike Pence did his duty and was a hero that day.

01:07:11.220 And I don't really care if people disagree with me at all.

01:07:14.140 That's my firm belief.

01:07:16.000 However, I also think like the obsession with the left on trying to tell us that that election

01:07:21.340 was perfect, Stu, is ridiculous.

01:07:23.940 I do think that Joe Biden won the election.

01:07:26.540 But there were so many issues with the way the election was handled that I completely

01:07:33.360 understand the majority belief on the Republican side that the election was, quote, stolen.

01:07:39.200 Right.

01:07:39.340 I don't agree that the there were I don't agree with the votes being flipped from the

01:07:43.620 one to the other.

01:07:44.640 But, you know, we could go over the media bias that happened, the suppression of the Hunter

01:07:47.980 Biden laptop story, the 50 intelligence so-called experts who came out to say it was disinformation,

01:07:53.640 that Chris Wallace stopping any debate about Joe Biden's corruption and Hunter's connections

01:07:58.400 to Ukraine at that debate.

01:07:59.920 We could keep going.

01:08:01.520 The changing of the rules in Pennsylvania, the covid mail in ballot changes without the

01:08:06.200 proper approvals.

01:08:07.640 You know, there were a lot of irregularities that left people with a very sour taste in

01:08:11.800 their mouths.

01:08:12.200 And I get that and I validate all of that.

01:08:15.100 But to me, the Democrats refusal to acknowledge like I can say, OK, no evidence of votes being

01:08:22.240 flipped, but also rigged might be an appropriate term.

01:08:25.980 I get why Republicans feel that way.

01:08:28.140 The left cannot do that.

01:08:29.340 The left is not totally unwilling to look at how the election went down and whether Republicans

01:08:34.100 might have a point in feeling like it was stolen.

01:08:37.900 However you want to interpret that word.

01:08:39.760 That brings me to John King.

01:08:41.320 So we go from MS over to CNN.

01:08:43.360 I was watching CNN for a bit last night and John King, I mean, literally every time they

01:08:48.400 went to the guy, he's doing the board, you know, like there's this county.

01:08:51.560 Here's that county.

01:08:53.040 Every time they went to the man, he made a comment about how this is how elections play

01:08:58.900 out.

01:08:59.200 It's beautiful.

01:08:59.840 It's America.

01:09:00.460 It's legitimate.

01:09:01.280 You just watch it with your eyes.

01:09:02.640 It makes me so happy.

01:09:03.920 It's very unfortunate.

01:09:05.020 These Republicans think it was stolen.

01:09:06.300 It's very it's not true.

01:09:07.960 It's not true.

01:09:09.440 They were talking about the exit poll showing did but did Biden win legitimately in 2020

01:09:15.800 for Iowa Republican caucus voters where voters were asked, did he win legitimately?

01:09:20.400 Now, legitimately is an ambiguous term.

01:09:22.460 Back to the discussion I just raised.

01:09:25.460 Sixty five percent of Republicans voters said no.

01:09:28.920 Thirty percent said yes.

01:09:31.160 I totally get that.

01:09:32.400 I get that.

01:09:33.540 Legitimately speaks to the points I was making.

01:09:36.840 Take a listen to John King having repeated meltdown over that number.

01:09:41.340 So many of these people about to vote in Iowa believe the election was stolen when it simply

01:09:47.460 was not.

01:09:48.120 That is one of the biggest changes Donald Trump has had on the Republican Party.

01:09:51.540 The distrust in American politics in the process, in the legitimacy of the process is

01:09:56.840 a cancer on American democracy.

01:09:58.760 And so as Republicans watch this tonight, set aside anyone who tells you, yeah, but we

01:10:03.280 do it right and the Democrats do it differently.

01:10:05.000 Or if it's in a blue city or a blue state, they do it differently.

01:10:07.460 It's just not true historically when so many people have been told to doubt the integrity

01:10:12.740 of elections, right?

01:10:13.920 This to me, as someone who's done this for 40 years, forgive me for editorializing, is

01:10:17.540 the saddest part of our democracy that people doubt this.

01:10:20.580 I love watching this because it's working the way it's supposed to work.

01:10:24.000 And that could have, I mean, could have kept that going for another 20 minutes still.

01:10:30.660 Oh, it's priceless.

01:10:32.360 You know, look, we, we want trust in the system.

01:10:35.740 It's funny that the, the, the, the side of the aisle that keeps talking about trust in

01:10:39.980 the system is like, you know, we really need that democracy, the kind with only one name

01:10:43.900 on the ballot.

01:10:44.520 That sounds wonderful.

01:10:46.500 You know, it's like, I, it's a totally bizarre sort of circumstance where they keep going

01:10:51.440 down this road and making these arguments, but I don't think they hear themselves speak.

01:10:55.580 And by the way, this is very, very natural.

01:10:59.140 Like parties say these things all the time in polls because they don't like the other

01:11:03.480 side.

01:11:04.000 It's really, it boils down to that at some level.

01:11:06.800 The number yesterday in Iowa was 65, 66% of people who did not think Biden was legitimately

01:11:13.880 elected.

01:11:14.500 But if you go back to the early Trump years, the, the Democrats were polling in the mid

01:11:19.460 seventies is, was Donald Trump a legitimately elected president?

01:11:23.580 They were saying the answer to that was no, because of Russia gate or whatever Rachel Maddow

01:11:28.440 was saying on her new untrue things program.

01:11:31.200 Um, so you, this is very much like the same thing happened with, you know, birthers and all

01:11:37.700 these claims that kind of bubble up on each side.

01:11:40.620 A lot of it reflects, look, I just don't like that guy.

01:11:43.420 I remember talking to a few people back right after the 2020 election and, and they were

01:11:47.760 very convinced that the election had, had been stolen.

01:11:50.820 I mean, and I was just pressing on them, trying to understand what they meant, because I think

01:11:54.240 Republicans to your point, Megan would have done a, should have done a better job parsing

01:11:59.060 the differences you just talked about.

01:12:00.860 I think a lot of times people were too hesitant to say, well, wait a minute, you know, some of

01:12:05.480 these claims on the internet are not true, but here's what is true.

01:12:08.660 People were getting mailed ballots and we don't know what happened.

01:12:11.440 Uh, rules were changed in ways that did seem unconstitutional preceding the elections things

01:12:16.400 that Donald Trump and his campaign should have challenged before the votes were, were counted.

01:12:20.640 All of that is, is really true.

01:12:22.540 But I was talking to a few of these people and they were just like, I'm sure of it.

01:12:25.400 It had to be elected.

01:12:26.180 We kept going down road after road after road until they basically told me there's just no

01:12:30.700 way America would elect that guy.

01:12:33.180 There's no way after seeing Joe Biden, yeah, stumble around on stage and not know seemingly

01:12:40.460 anything about anything and not be able to get through a complete sentence.

01:12:45.180 Uh, there's no way that guy could have received this many votes, a very rational, rational thought.

01:12:52.380 I mean, I don't know that I would have believed it either.

01:12:54.340 There's a big difference though, into what you were talking about and, you know, votes being

01:12:58.440 switched, uh, at the ballot box.

01:13:00.620 And I think that, look, it would be fascinating to, to be able to rewind and see when you saw

01:13:05.980 polling back in the George W. Bush era where, you know, 50 and 60% of people believe 9-11

01:13:11.660 was an inside job orchestrated by, uh, by George W. Bush on the democratic side.

01:13:16.820 Can these, can these theories do go through parties?

01:13:20.800 Largely, they were a reflection of partisanship though, not the falling of all democracy.

01:13:25.080 Mm-hmm.

01:13:26.640 I mean, I, to me, Trump is a master messenger and he lost, he was upset he lost.

01:13:34.560 He doesn't believe he lost.

01:13:35.980 And he has spent the past four years trying to convince his base and the Republican party

01:13:40.940 that it isn't true.

01:13:42.140 The same way, you know, the Ukrainian phone call was a perfect vote.

01:13:45.460 It wasn't like just an okay phone call that didn't deserve impeachment.

01:13:48.860 It was perfect.

01:13:49.860 And everything he's done is perfect.

01:13:51.500 You know, like he's, he's a master messenger and he really can, he's very good at just repeating

01:13:56.000 the same thing over and over and over.

01:13:57.260 And he's definitely convinced large portions of the Republican party that it was stolen in

01:14:02.100 the way that I don't believe.

01:14:03.420 And they're entitled to their belief.

01:14:04.640 I don't really care.

01:14:05.260 I don't need to convince them out of that.

01:14:07.060 This is what my belief is.

01:14:08.340 But I think, you know, his consternation over the fact that they were like, he, he went with

01:14:14.220 stolen.

01:14:14.700 They said not legitimate in their, in their exit polling is very amusing to me.

01:14:19.440 Just fucking move on, like move on.

01:14:22.100 We got to shore up the voting system.

01:14:24.240 It's okay to kick the tires and make sure that it's better than it was the last time

01:14:29.380 around.

01:14:29.620 And by the way, not for nothing, but not, not all the States vote the way Iowa does,

01:14:33.440 which was kind of a beautiful thing to watch.

01:14:35.520 I love seeing, I just write Trump on the back of my paper and I give it to you.

01:14:39.900 And then you count, there are 40 people in this room.

01:14:42.260 Do I have 40 ballots here?

01:14:44.060 Here's some for Trump.

01:14:44.920 Here's from some for DeSantis.

01:14:46.420 You put it in a basket and you said, had to hand it to the head guy saying, here's our

01:14:50.520 count.

01:14:51.280 That's what we grew up with.

01:14:52.760 That's, that is sort of legitimate and familiar to people.

01:14:55.920 It's this other stuff, mail in the, you know, somebody shows up at your house, takes your ballot

01:15:01.560 from you, you know, dead people voting.

01:15:04.020 That's what gets people upset.

01:15:05.420 All right.

01:15:05.740 Different story.

01:15:06.820 All right.

01:15:07.080 I've got to turn the page because the, the greatest story of the day we haven't even touched

01:15:11.500 on.

01:15:12.080 And that is our sitting vice president.

01:15:13.740 She's so smart.

01:15:15.300 She's so clever.

01:15:16.780 She's so good at figuring things out.

01:15:19.140 Like one of the things she figured out at a campaign event on Monday is how amazing

01:15:24.760 Gen Z is.

01:15:25.960 You know, they take a lot of, a lot of guff from us, Gen X-ers and those in between.

01:15:31.080 She loves Gen Z and she wants you to as well.

01:15:33.840 And here's why.

01:15:35.240 It's not 17.

01:15:35.800 I see our college students and let me just tell you, I love Gen Z.

01:15:44.160 I don't know if something, you know, I love Gen Z.

01:15:49.580 So, okay.

01:15:50.560 For the older adults, this is going to be a humbling thing I'm about to share with you.

01:15:55.420 If someone is 18 years old today, they were born in 2005.

01:15:59.800 Oh yeah.

01:16:03.040 Check that out.

01:16:04.060 Think about that for a minute.

01:16:12.360 Hold on.

01:16:14.160 I'm thinking about it.

01:16:17.960 Can we use calculators?

01:16:19.320 Yeah.

01:16:19.940 No, no, no.

01:16:20.520 I thought about it.

01:16:21.360 The math is correct.

01:16:22.640 Yes.

01:16:23.980 I'm still checking.

01:16:25.300 Thank you.

01:16:26.000 Thanks.

01:16:27.680 She's, she is hilarious.

01:16:29.420 What, what a strange figure in our politics.

01:16:34.160 What a strange figure.

01:16:35.840 So like her attempted profundities always get to me.

01:16:38.620 I love them.

01:16:39.300 That one, she was, oh, this is going to blow your mind.

01:16:41.900 It's going to blow your mind.

01:16:43.460 But she actually took a shot at being a little bit more profound in celebration of MLK.

01:16:50.320 I had her at this event in Columbia, South Carolina, and she busted out like,

01:16:54.840 her favorite line.

01:16:56.720 It's the most absurd.

01:16:59.200 She says it all the time.

01:17:01.080 You would think her speech writers would say, Madam, you've said that too many times.

01:17:06.140 Nobody knows what the F you're talking about.

01:17:08.600 But she keeps saying it over and over in SOT 16.

01:17:12.720 Listen for yourself.

01:17:13.420 Today, we celebrate the legacy of Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., a visionary who

01:17:24.420 saw what could be unburdened by what had been.

01:17:29.960 Oh, cringe, cringe.

01:17:33.900 I'll just take you back just, and then I'll give it to you guys.

01:17:36.200 But just take a listen.

01:17:37.180 We just put together a quick one.

01:17:39.040 SOT 27 examples.

01:17:40.500 I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by what has been, you know?

01:17:45.160 Oh, my God.

01:17:45.640 What can be unburdened by what has been?

01:17:49.180 What can be unburdened by what has been?

01:17:53.680 What can be unburdened by what has been?

01:17:57.580 What can be unburdened by what has been?

01:18:02.220 What we can see, what we believe can be unburdened by what has been?

01:18:07.020 what can be unburdened by what has been what can be unburdened by what has been

01:18:14.860 is she done the rnc actually put that together is she done i can't like there's nothing she's

01:18:20.780 an empty vessel she is an empty vessel she has no profundities to offer and it's very clear to

01:18:28.060 all of us and she could very well be our next president if joe biden gets reelected stew

01:18:34.140 look i i i don't know if that's fair i i really see her more as uh uh she's seeing what can be and

01:18:42.860 is unburdened by what has been megan and i think that's really the deep it's fascinating to watch

01:18:48.700 her she's unburdened by by everything except the mask that she's wearing in the last clip which is

01:18:53.580 fascinating to watch unburdened by intelligence yes unburdened by intelligence a shame embarrassment

01:19:01.420 i mean the only thing she said more than than the unburdened line is her love for yellow school

01:19:06.700 buses and electric school buses and the venn diagram those like there's three things she says she's got

01:19:13.420 three tracks on the cd and she's hitting random at every speech it is a bizarre thing and i you know

01:19:19.660 she i love that particularly the first clip in that montage where she just has this like unburdened by

01:19:26.460 what it's been you know she has that like i it's just so simple and like can you believe i came up

01:19:31.740 with it she is a strange figure and oddly enough really nobody's won over by it i i don't know how

01:19:40.540 she has this job she was a complete failure in the primary she has unlikeability uh ratings that are

01:19:47.740 you know that borderline like dead fish on the sidewalk nobody seems to like uh kamala harris

01:19:54.780 uh at all and you know you're right she probably would be very difficult to avoid if if for some

01:20:01.260 reason they made a change or she was going to run and the next time because how do you how do you

01:20:05.340 change and avoid the person of color that is uh your vp but man i don't even think you know democrats

01:20:11.500 don't even like her nobody defends her she just seemingly uh well but she is a burden making it five

01:20:17.500 more years that that was my point is simply the odds of him making it five more years if he gets

01:20:20.940 re-elected are very slim based on the way he's performing right now so she would take over i don't

01:20:26.300 i don't think anybody would actually voluntarily elect her as president but she could get in there

01:20:31.420 if that happens she the the problem with kamala harris many many problems she really is unburdened by

01:20:37.020 a high iq dave it's obvious to anybody who watches her for two minutes but not only is she does she not

01:20:42.220 appear to be very sharp she she's a race provocateur she's joy reed in a different suit and we see it

01:20:52.220 regularly now the one group that joe biden continues to perform well with and that the democrats are

01:20:59.180 extremely dependent on for votes are black women he's losing black men to trump like overwhelmingly now

01:21:07.420 in the latest polls in a way we've never seen before we'll see whether that holds on the actual

01:21:11.580 election day but trump's doing better with black men than any republican ever has and biden's hemorrhaging

01:21:17.100 them but not black women and so he cannot eject the black woman who has been on the ticket with him

01:21:24.460 in any way that would work and maintain his presidency or you know get re-elected so of course not one of

01:21:31.820 the things yeah go ahead no i was gonna say you know as fanny willis uh explained to us we can't

01:21:37.900 expect black women to be perfect right right right i mean it's it's exactly it's exactly the same thing

01:21:44.380 so so no she she can't be abandoned for for that very reason of course um so but the other thing she

01:21:49.580 does is she pokes the racial bear all the time you can take it to the bank she remember after those

01:21:55.500 tennessee lawmakers went out onto the floor and threw their fit because they weren't getting the exact

01:21:59.820 debate they wanted she went down there to hail them as heroes after jacob blake um tried he pulled

01:22:05.900 a knife on cops and got shot she went out there at his hospital bed after he had abused police officers

01:22:12.300 resisted arrest and assaulted them calling him a hero she weighed in and retweeted the you know help

01:22:17.980 support the blm people who were arrested after the riots anytime there's a racial dispute she's the

01:22:23.740 first to stoke the fires and that brings me to what she did act in columbia south carolina on this

01:22:31.340 martin luther king day speech she gave where she had the nerve to bring up the following example when

01:22:38.860 she's talking about some of the racial strife in the history of america listen to what she adds on

01:22:45.180 and sought 15. generation after generation on the fields of gettysburg in the schools of little rock

01:22:55.340 on the grounds of this state house on the streets of ferguson and on the floor of the tennessee house

01:23:03.180 of representatives we the people have always fought to make the promise of freedom real

01:23:15.180 streets of ferguson dave yeah i i mean that's it's it's incredibly disrespectful to the soldiers

01:23:21.340 who lost their lives at at gettysburg and and and throughout the civil war but nobody cares about

01:23:25.900 that right i mean that doesn't matter that that that wasn't a debt paid that that that was apparently

01:23:30.540 something else um this is part of what makes her rhetoric about unburdening ourselves from the past

01:23:39.100 not only deeply stupid but really menacing and dangerous because what she means by that

01:23:44.940 is tearing down statues what she means by that is rewriting history what she means by that is

01:23:51.260 abandoning everything that america has ever stood for and ignoring that in the hopes of some pie in

01:23:57.820 the sky equity that nobody can even actually explain or or you know tell us how it would work and you know

01:24:05.980 that's dangerous i it with all the political news it went a little bit under the radar but you know

01:24:10.860 last week or the week before uh i was heartened by the fact that when the biden administration tried

01:24:16.620 to take down that william penn statue there was so much blowback that the democrat governor of

01:24:21.180 pennsylvania josh shapiro called the administration and said hey you can't do that right no chance in

01:24:27.180 hell that would have happened in 2020 absolutely none that statue would have been gone the next day

01:24:32.460 so i remember you at the natural history museum i absolutely was and i'm i'm still sad that that

01:24:38.140 statue isn't there i mean new yorkers love that statue no nobody asked them there was no referendum

01:24:44.380 and and nobody was offended by the teddy roosevelt statue except for some lefty idiots on some committee

01:24:49.740 somewhere so i mean it's it's ridiculous and and kamala harris really is uh you know the the platonic

01:24:57.820 ideal uh of all this nonsense and if she had our if she had her druthers she would unburden us from

01:25:03.980 the past we would we would know nothing about the actual past of the united states that is her goal

01:25:10.060 it's amazing that she has the nerve to bring up ferguson in the same breath i mean 50 000 people died

01:25:15.900 at gettysburg but okay it's the same thing ferguson is not some civil rights example now ferguson

01:25:22.940 is where they had riots after a black man michael brown was shot to death by a white cop whom michael

01:25:30.140 brown had already gone after and was in the process of charging that's what happened when he got shot

01:25:37.900 according to the five black eyewitnesses that our black attorney general eric holders goj interviewed

01:25:46.220 that's what happened in ferguson when they cleared the officer and said that this was michael brown's

01:25:52.220 fault not the fault that's what led to riots because we had a complicit media that didn't tell

01:25:57.180 the truth and we had a barack obama presidency in which racial tensions had been inflamed already

01:26:04.220 and now she has the nerve to raise it stew and compare it to little rock never mind those morons

01:26:11.500 on the floor of the tennessee legislature well none of that matters there's way too many facts

01:26:17.020 but megan to for this debate it's all supposed to be about emotion and oppression and these

01:26:22.780 predetermined categories of people that were supposed to judge based on their skin color um

01:26:28.140 you know and i i honestly i i keep coming back to this and i don't know that's going to work out seems

01:26:32.300 like nothing ever works out sometimes but it does feel like an incredible opportunity for conservatives and

01:26:38.060 those on the right you know for a hundred years rightly republicans were very closely associated with

01:26:43.580 racial justice in so many different ways and through the 60s and i don't know till what period

01:26:50.300 the left was able to sort of successfully in the public mind wrestle that away and i think you know

01:26:55.980 the at the time the idea was well we shouldn't be judging people based on their immutable characteristics

01:27:00.780 it would be ridiculous to judge people based on their eye color why would we do it on their skin color

01:27:05.580 and so there was that was a concept that i think most people all agreed with and republicans were

01:27:09.980 constantly always on the defensive saying no i swear we don't we don't want to judge people based

01:27:14.140 on skin color we don't do that and they were trying constantly defending themselves from those

01:27:18.220 accusations and then along came the ibram x kendys of the world and the kamala harris's of the world

01:27:24.220 and the joy reeds of the world who have handed on a silver platter this idea that now they're going

01:27:29.900 to be the ones that are judging people based on skin color they are handing this issue to conservatives

01:27:35.340 and conservatives agree with the vast majority of people on this issue that people should be judged

01:27:41.660 by the content of their character not by the color of their skin they want to reverse that and and the

01:27:48.460 the right and conservatives and republicans or whatever group you want to talk about needs to be much more

01:27:53.180 vocal about what they mean it's not just fighting back against the idiocy of the left but it's also

01:27:57.900 embracing the fact that we believe we are the side that believes merit is what is important in a person

01:28:03.820 character is what is important not skin color not eye color this is something that i think has not

01:28:09.020 been available to conservatives or republicans for 30 or 40 years it it can't be an opportunity that is

01:28:15.580 missed you still having earlier this weekend michelle obama out there talking about how unfair america is

01:28:21.740 to black people michelle obama still bitching about how unfair america is that last night while we were

01:28:30.060 all watching the iowa caucuses they held the emmys you know the awards dave this used to be your business

01:28:35.100 kind of you were in entertainment you were in acting broadway more i understand but not but in any event

01:28:40.380 it was acting and um the woman who won was it best actress uh nicey naz gets up there and instead of saying

01:28:49.260 nash and gets i never i don't know her and i didn't i don't think i watched the show but in any event uh she gets up there and

01:28:55.900 instead of saying you know this is a great country to live in a girl like me can win whatever the

01:29:00.300 backstory is usually it's a destitution derby for all these winners and they tell you how they overcame

01:29:04.460 all the odds to win and here i am only in america as she went a different way take a listen to her

01:29:11.100 and you know who i want to thank i want to thank me

01:29:16.220 for believing in me and doing what they said i could not do i accept this award on behalf of every

01:29:24.060 black and brown woman who has gone unheard yet over policed like glinda cleveland like sandra bland

01:29:31.980 like brianna taylor as an artist my job is to speak true to power and baby i'm gonna do it to the day i die

01:29:44.060 i'm sorry all right she was i guess best supporting actress in dahmer brianna taylor i mean brianna taylor

01:29:50.700 her mother unfortunately got shot because the cops came into her home which they suspected of being

01:29:57.820 involved in drug deals and her boyfriend shot a cop in the femoral artery that will lead police to start

01:30:05.420 shooting and you don't want to be anywhere near that man when something like that happens the like the

01:30:11.740 revisionist history on all of this and by the way that too wound up being a black attorney general

01:30:17.500 who did not think charges were appropriate against those cops um in kentucky daniel cameron so whatever

01:30:24.300 all this it doesn't stop her from having her moment she's gonna get up there she's gonna make her word

01:30:29.900 about the system the bad cops the over policing and yet the unheard are we have a black vice president

01:30:37.500 a black woman who's a vice president right there's just nothing there's no amount america can do give

01:30:43.180 reparations elect as president elect as vice president attorney general supreme court justices

01:30:48.460 for people like this who just refused to to acknowledge they're not oppressed

01:30:55.980 yeah um look i mean first of all like what the hell did any of that have to do with the emmys um but

01:31:02.220 yeah i mean that's right this this reminds me of the director from disney who says that her job

01:31:06.700 as a film director is to make white people uncomfortable why i mean like why is that your job

01:31:13.820 and it is it's it's this sort of like crt paradigm of of this notion of speaking truth to power and look

01:31:20.220 i'm all for speaking truth to power i mean i'm a journalist who believes in the old hl mencken saw

01:31:25.420 of comforting the afflicted and and afflicting the comfortable i'll go after donald trump and elon musk

01:31:30.620 and all those people i'm not a big fan of billionaires and stuff but what she's doing isn't

01:31:35.260 speaking truth to power what what she's doing is being a megaphone for power that power being people

01:31:41.020 like kamala harris and and people like michelle obama and ultimately the the problem with all of

01:31:46.460 this is that it's not aspirational right yesterday was martin luther king jr day and and what he said

01:31:52.460 was that he had gotten to the top of the mountain and he saw this promised land he could describe it

01:31:56.940 none of these people can describe what the promised land looks like they they instead envision in america

01:32:04.540 of just perpetual race grievance and i'm really sorry to say this but it's starting to infect the

01:32:10.140 right as well i mean we're starting to see white conservatives who are basically saying like

01:32:15.500 fuck you i'm oppressed right i'm the one that that affirmative action works against and and there

01:32:20.780 i i warned about this years ago that if you say to white people i need you to sit with your whiteness

01:32:26.380 and really think about it i said it's a horrible idea because they will become more tribal just like

01:32:31.820 everybody else and that is absolutely the worst case scenario for the united states of america and

01:32:36.860 it scares the hell out of me yeah you know stew it's it is it is disturbing to see so many of our

01:32:43.580 so-called leaders whether it's the vice president or a primetime cable news host over on msnbc uh or the

01:32:51.020 best supporting actress constantly or the da down in georgia who's prosecuting a former and would be

01:32:57.580 next president constantly playing the race card constantly and no matter what is achieved it's

01:33:05.180 not yeah i made it this is a great country it's despite the disgusting country i live in i made it

01:33:11.020 and i now speak for all the victims of this horrible place um then you've got people like shelby steel

01:33:18.300 right and his son eli steel remains one of my favorite episodes of all time on this show steve

01:33:23.580 crack our old get me the episode number where they came on together to promote their movie which you

01:33:28.540 can and still should watch uh what killed michael brown speaking of ferguson they took a deep dive

01:33:33.500 these are two black men who took a deep dive in it eli steel yesterday and i recommend following

01:33:38.140 on eli on x all the time it's episode 30 so it's very early on in our tenure tweet out the following um

01:33:44.460 he's quoting thelonious monk they tried to get me to hate white people but someone would always come

01:33:50.140 along and spoil it great that's the spirit right that that times you know in ad infinitum is what

01:33:59.580 we need not this other line of constant grievance yes it is the difference between seeing someone as

01:34:07.340 an individual and seeing someone as a member of a group are you just a member of some gelatinous sort

01:34:13.980 of glob of white people or brown people or whatever you want whatever group you want to talk about

01:34:19.500 or are you dealing with actual individuals i can't imagine in in their everyday lives that this is how

01:34:26.540 they react to white people who come they come across who are their waiters at restaurants they

01:34:32.060 treat them terribly because they think their ancestors oppressed their ancestors seeing people

01:34:38.220 as individuals instead of a members of group of a group solves all of this right like it solves all of

01:34:44.300 this and it is a really dangerous road to go on i'm so glad uh dave you brought that up about how

01:34:50.380 both sides are starting to get into this i i remember barry weiss bringing this up a while ago and i think

01:34:55.820 it's really smart that if you go and you you constantly tell people for a generation that race is the most

01:35:03.180 important thing about you what do you think that leads to if you reach if you tell people for a long period

01:35:09.420 of time not just people of color but you're also telling white people the most important thing

01:35:14.380 about you is your race that's why you're a racist that's why you're bad that's why you need to

01:35:19.100 constantly uh have reparations of of whether the emotional or monetary sword and you do that to a

01:35:25.180 generation what do you think that's going to cause down the line what did that cause and this is what

01:35:30.060 they did in europe in world war ii teach people that their race was the most important thing about them

01:35:35.660 that's how you had to think about the world that leads to terrible terrible outcomes some of the

01:35:41.580 darkest outcomes in our history it's not something you want to play with convince people that they are

01:35:47.100 just people you can talk to them it doesn't matter the least important thing about them

01:35:52.300 is the color of their skin that is the path to freedom and happiness between races when we stop

01:35:57.900 thinking about that all the time and i i don't know where that plot got lost but it is in

01:36:02.460 the burning dumpster fire right now yeah but we have to sit there and listen to these msnbc anchors

01:36:08.380 lament the racism of the republican party of it it's that's all their party guaranteed and we know for

01:36:16.460 sure for a couple of them um but you know preacher heal thyself take a hard look inside and figure out

01:36:23.660 what you're doing to the national conversation and why we have the rise of people like donald trump

01:36:29.580 who may be controversial but are fighting back against the nonsense guys thank you so much a

01:36:34.540 pleasure as always stew and dave you're the best tomorrow michael knowles will be here see you then

01:36:40.060 thanks for listening to the megan kelly show no bs no agenda and no fear

The Megyn Kelly Show - January 16, 2024

Trump's Huge Iowa Win, and MSNBC's Embarrassing Meltdown Over the Results, with Stu Burguiere and Dave Marcus ｜ Ep. 703

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