The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump's Landslide Victory Causes Massive Media Meltdown, with Fifth Column, Rich Lowry, Charles C.W. Cooke, and Maureen Callahan

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.060 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and what a day. The sun is

00:00:17.840 shining just a little bit brighter. The fall leaves are in absolutely perfect form and we

00:00:24.480 are feeling very good here at The Megyn Kelly Show and I dare say in America. The Democratic

00:00:30.280 and media struggle sessions are in full swing. Shoot it in my veins, as the kids say, as former

00:00:36.480 President Donald Trump and his garbage supporters celebrate his truly historic victory. We're going

00:00:42.180 to break down everything for you today. It's truly stunning, but get ready because we have so much

00:00:47.160 goodness prepared for you today, from the data to the reaction and dare I say it, the dreams,

00:00:53.620 the ambitions, the aspirations that were unburdened by what has been. When Americans decided to turn

00:01:01.740 the page on the Democrats and say, we are not going back and say, hard work is good work and say,

00:01:11.200 we're going to win. But first, an important message from Vice President Kamala Harris.

00:01:17.620 Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning. The path may seem hard, the work may

00:01:29.840 seem heavy, but joy cometh in the morning and church morning is on its way.

00:01:37.260 Yes, yes, yes. Preach, sister. Joy does cometh in the morning. That's all I got for you because

00:01:45.300 she has yet to concede. She has yet to concede, though we are told she plans to speak later this

00:01:50.760 afternoon, reportedly at 4 p.m. at her alma mater, Howard University, and that she's going to call

00:01:55.100 Trump before that. Nearly 24 hours after she took a page right out of Hillary Clinton's 2016 playbook

00:02:01.560 and refused to face her devastated supporters, instead sending some man on her campaign staff

00:02:07.620 out there to deliver the news that everyone needed to get the F out of there. There's no party. Get out.

00:02:12.960 No fireworks. No glass ceiling shattering. We had so much fun last night. Thank you to all of you,

00:02:18.400 millions of you who joined us on our YouTube live feed and our SiriusXM live feed throughout the night.

00:02:23.960 The fun continues now in person. Guess who I have right here with me in the red studio?

00:02:27.440 The guys from the fifth column are here. Right here. Camille Foster, Michael Moynihan, and Matt Welsh.

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00:03:56.440 Thank you for having us. Thanks for having us. Yeah, it's so fun to have you here live.

00:03:59.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know what it was going to be like today because we booked this a while ago,

00:04:03.340 but we didn't know what the outcome would be like, so I didn't know if you'd be in a mood

00:04:06.440 or if you would be jubilant. Oh, she's in a mood. Oh, I'm in a mood.

00:04:08.800 That was a very enthusiastic read. That top was like, wow, I think she's happy about what happened.

00:04:14.860 That soundbite is my favorite soundbite of campaign 2024. Joy cometh in the mood.

00:04:22.320 Where's your Sean Hannity football? You should be like spiking in.

00:04:26.120 I've got something better. Look, I had the Kamala Harris bobble doll. Look at her. The little

00:04:30.700 bobble head. And this was Kamala Harris last night.

00:04:32.680 I can almost hear her laughing.

00:04:33.680 That's how it went. Sorry, but it was rough. It was a rough night for team blue. There's so much

00:04:45.380 to go over. Can we just start with the total and utter collapse of polling? Polling again is a lie.

00:04:53.740 They don't know anything. Only Henry Olsen, our guest who I loved, knew what he was talking about.

00:05:00.200 Nate Silver didn't know what he was talking about. Nate Cohn over at the New York Times

00:05:04.300 and Ann Seltzer of the Des Moines Register. Wow. A total and utter fail.

00:05:10.440 Where is Ann Seltzer today? Someone do a wellness check to see if she's still around.

00:05:16.820 You know, Nate Silver was right about one thing, I think, when he said that, you know,

00:05:21.740 what's happening with these polls is nobody wants to go out on a limb because they all want to be in

00:05:26.280 the same space. That seems to be true. But he said then said he ran 80,000 simulations and they

00:05:33.180 came up like for exactly 40,000 each or 40,001 each. Yeah. No, the polling stuff is is appalling

00:05:39.880 because the only people that were right and they were almost not entirely right because we looking

00:05:45.120 at something that we're slightly surprised by, which is popular vote was Polly Market.

00:05:50.180 If you watched Polly Market and that is the kind of wisdom of the crowd, they were right.

00:05:56.040 And the other, whatever the competitor is, there's another version of it too.

00:05:58.780 By the way, my husband, Doug Brunt, obsessed, obsessed. It was his comfort blanket throughout

00:06:03.580 the whole, you know, past two months. Like Polly Market though, but Polly Market.

00:06:07.040 I knew he put 20 grand on Jill Stein. I thought that was a risk, but he said it's going to pay big.

00:06:12.080 It was in Dearborn. It wasn't quite wrong.

00:06:13.940 He came in second place. Second place.

00:06:16.440 Can you believe that? Dearborn goes for Trump. Yes.

00:06:19.380 And Jill Stein, Kamala, nowhere to be found. No.

00:06:22.780 Just one more minute on the polls because they'd been warned. They'd been warned year after year

00:06:27.200 that they had it wrong, that they shouldn't underestimate Donald Trump, that there was

00:06:30.920 a secret Trump voter that doesn't like to deal with pollsters. And notwithstanding the fact that

00:06:35.120 some got it, like Atlas got it. And as I pointed out, our guest, Henry Olson, he got it.

00:06:40.020 Um, you had hard partisans like Larry Sabato who lost his mind. He's also known as the MyPillow

00:06:47.420 guy. They may or may not be the same person. Um, who of course they were doing these so-called

00:06:52.780 polls through their lens of what they want to be. And they've been out. Who will pay attention

00:06:58.520 to these people again? Uh, I had an inkling on Monday night of some of this. I don't know what

00:07:03.500 we call the, the quiet Trump, uh, poll respondent. Um, but we hosted a thing, try Trump, try Trump

00:07:10.620 voter. Right. So we hosted a, uh, a live reason round table, uh, podcast taping in, uh, the comedy

00:07:16.580 village underground in New York. And at the beginning, I was like, all right, who, who voted

00:07:20.180 here? You know, give me a show of hands for Kamala Harris. There was surprisingly a lot, um,

00:07:24.780 for Donald Trump crickets. There was no way in a group of libertarians, conservatives,

00:07:30.260 independents, that there's going to be zero Trump voters. And afterwards, when I talked

00:07:34.460 to people, the Trump voters all came up to me and like, Oh yeah, I have a friend in Hollywood

00:07:39.920 and, uh, she sent me a text today saying, um, I, I have to pretend that I'm sad. I'm sad

00:07:46.880 with all my friends. She's a conservative who's got to stay underground. And that's just the

00:07:51.780 way some of these circles work. Now, I don't know if that's how they work all over the Midwest,

00:07:55.800 you know, which is not, but I do think like we had a woman calling yesterday from

00:08:00.160 Wisconsin. And she's like, yeah, I lied to the pollsters. I just kind of want to mess

00:08:02.820 with them. I don't care. Like they're kind of against these pollsters, but the smart ones

00:08:06.420 figure out ways around that. You cannot believe in these people. I really do believe it was

00:08:11.180 their own bias that pushed them into these, uh, you know, either subconscious or conscious

00:08:15.440 bias that pushed them into manipulating all of us are trying to, to save her ass, which was

00:08:21.200 unsavable, not trying to succeeding. I mean, that is the manipulation that you can't avoid,

00:08:27.260 right? I mean, if the only information out in the ether is this is what's happening and

00:08:32.060 everyone lined up agrees, we cannot in this Pavlovian response say, well, this has happened

00:08:37.040 in the past. This is the only information we have to go on. So we're all talking about

00:08:40.380 these polls. I don't know if you were, but we have been in everywhere that I have seen.

00:08:45.060 We're talking about the polls and we're not saying like, well, there's like a shy Trump

00:08:48.140 voter, but it's even on those margins. Like this is a blowout.

00:08:51.920 It's a blowout. 51%. It's a landslide. We're talking about all the blue wall states. We don't

00:08:58.740 know. I mean, like every swing state. He won seven out of seven swing states.

00:09:02.580 Seven out of seven. I mean, it's unbelievable.

00:09:04.420 And we were told it was so tight, tight, tight, tight, tight, tight. You know, every, every poll

00:09:08.020 said it was tight. No one said he was running away with it. No one predicted it.

00:09:11.320 And Seltzer told me that Jill Stein was going to win. Go back to Jill Stein.

00:09:14.920 So. Sorry, Camille, what were you going to say?

00:09:16.560 No, I was just going to ask. I mean, I do wonder about the bounces that we saw in the polling to

00:09:20.580 the extent these things were happening. And it seems like maybe some of them were converging on

00:09:23.920 what seemed to be the popular knowledge at the time. But after the DNC, there did seem to be a

00:09:29.540 lot of enthusiasm. You did seem to see that folks were going from being very skeptical of Kamala

00:09:34.460 Harris to actually believing in Kamala Harris for a little bit. After that debate performance

00:09:38.420 against Trump, you did seem to see like a lot of energy in the ether for her. So I wonder whether

00:09:44.320 or not there might be some truth to what the polls were saying, despite the fact that there were

00:09:48.020 probably certain people that were never responding to the polls. I mean, let's talk about it all.

00:09:51.980 I can't wait to discuss every single aspect of this. We're going to get to the media and their

00:09:56.080 reaction to what we're saying. But so let's talk about what how this happened, because if you look

00:10:01.220 at the coalition that put Trump over the edge, it was working class men and women. It was black men

00:10:08.460 and it was Latinos, especially men, but also women. There was not some huge disproportionate female

00:10:15.100 vote that helped her. The women did go more for Kamala than they did for Trump, but it was not

00:10:20.200 the huge disparate number that would have counterbalanced his strength with men. And those

00:10:27.300 people, they were getting pulled. It's not like the pollsters didn't understand to reach out to the

00:10:31.960 working class or Latinos. They've been pulled. So when did this happen? Like, do you think it was a

00:10:37.160 late breaking thing or do you think we were in a mirage the whole time?

00:10:41.020 The whole time. The whole time. Whole time. I have been banging on about this since I did a

00:10:46.480 documentary in 2001 when I went to Star County, the most Hispanic county in America.

00:10:52.660 2021.

00:10:53.460 21, sorry.

00:10:54.100 You mentioned this on the show one time.

00:10:55.560 I did. And I've been, what I saw there kind of changed my mind on so much because I talked to

00:11:00.800 people and these were not shy Trump voters. They were Tejanos, like, you know, Mexican Americans

00:11:06.780 who had been there a couple of generations. They were recent immigrants and they were all in for

00:11:10.880 MAGA. And you look at what happened. I mean, Hillary Clinton won, I think, by 40 points or

00:11:15.920 something. Biden still won, but it was, you know, by about five, six, something like that.

00:11:21.500 Donald Trump won Star County. The most Hispanic county in America, Donald Trump won last night.

00:11:26.520 That is shocking. You look at the other details here and we don't pay attention to where we live,

00:11:32.460 but the elites in New York City, I mean, we're in Connecticut now, but in New York City,

00:11:35.800 look at what happened in New York City last night. The best showing for Republicans since

00:11:40.260 1988. Yeah. Right. It's incredible. Look at New Jersey. And New Jersey is the same. All of the

00:11:44.920 states. We're not talking about just the blue wall states, which are shocking us, just the sunbelt

00:11:50.320 states, which are shocking us a little less, but we're seeing it everywhere, all across. I mean,

00:11:54.540 New York state is the same. I mean, Matt, we were talking about this on the way in.

00:11:58.000 Connecticut too. Connecticut too. I mean, the numbers are all going in one direction,

00:12:01.440 which is why we have the popular vote the way it is. I mean, that was the thing that poly market got

00:12:05.980 wrong. FYI, he's winning the popular vote right now by 5 million. By 5 million. That is no small

00:12:13.180 amount. That's going to be a huge wake up call. And I actually invite people who are drowning in

00:12:17.900 their tears today to be somewhat happy that it wasn't close. I was rooting for Harris to win. I didn't

00:12:25.420 vote for had no thought about it. You're red. Can't work with this. But as much as anything,

00:12:33.340 I was rooting for whatever happened to be decisive. So we wouldn't have a bunch of stop this deal

00:12:37.080 nonsense on either direction or Stacey Abrams nonsense. But I wanted anyone to understand their

00:12:43.780 loss. And there is, there needs to be with media, with a whole lot of identity politics in particular,

00:12:49.900 there needs to be an understanding of this loss. The way your theory of the case of America,

00:12:55.860 your theory of why people are voting for Trump, it's over now because it's 51%. You have to deal

00:13:01.380 with that. He was at 46.8 and 46.3 in the previous elections. 51 is absolutely decisive. It means

00:13:07.860 your theory of the case is wrong. You can slice it and dice it and say, oh, the women did this and

00:13:11.840 the Hispanics did this. No, America did. That's right. Yes. Well, let me tell you something. It

00:13:16.060 doesn't seem to be going well. Your theory that people need to accept. They don't have to. I give

00:13:19.520 you stop 13. Take a listen. I'll watch.

00:13:26.580 We may not have rights tomorrow.

00:13:33.980 Tomorrow? Today?

00:13:38.300 Just a face crying.

00:13:39.420 Everyone who feels threatened by him is fucking scared. Like, we're scared for our lives. We're

00:13:44.820 scared for our friends. Like, we can't go to sleep. I might wake up a motherfucking sleigh.

00:13:52.880 I'm actually going to move to Canada. I'm moving to Canada. Oh, the dog. The dog is crying

00:14:03.340 when he's 48 years old and I have never experienced anything like this and never thought I would

00:14:10.520 in this country.

00:14:11.680 Yeah, they're playing the music.

00:14:17.740 I was not ready for a female black president. That is what I was worried about. Because the

00:14:23.220 country is full of racist misogynists, men and women.

00:14:28.020 That's it, sister. I think it's a sister. I'm clear.

00:14:31.160 Misogynist women.

00:14:31.960 I don't think it's not. They're not accepting loss. Well, it's not going well.

00:14:34.940 No, I think America is full of people that have mental health issues.

00:14:38.160 Yeah.

00:14:38.520 The beginning was great.

00:14:39.480 Put it on camera.

00:14:39.940 I love it, though. First woman had a shining t-shirt on. Did you see that? And she's screaming.

00:14:44.180 And I was like, oh my gosh. Her favorite movie, too.

00:14:46.300 I think two ones are in danger.

00:14:47.220 Good lord.

00:14:48.020 I might wake up tomorrow a slave.

00:14:49.440 A slave. By the way.

00:14:51.080 I'm going to get killed?

00:14:52.500 Yeah, Camille, we've got to talk about that.

00:14:56.360 Big, big announcement.

00:14:58.520 Just so you know, slavery is back.

00:15:01.620 You've got like a couple of months.

00:15:02.980 Yeah, it doesn't even need to be inaugurated again.

00:15:05.380 Just today.

00:15:06.240 Matt Walsh of The Daily Wire, not to be confused with Matt Walsh of Reason and of The Fifth

00:15:10.960 Column. He sent out a tweet today saying, okay, now that we've won, here's the truth.

00:15:15.200 We are implementing Project 2025.

00:15:19.660 It starts today.

00:15:20.660 That will be clipped by about a thousand people. See, they're doing it.

00:15:23.720 But why? We shouldn't be surprised by this at all.

00:15:26.340 I mean, I have been collecting.

00:15:28.040 The best thing, I mentioned this, I did the Free Press live stream last night, and anyone

00:15:32.660 who would listen, I was pointing out that the previous morning, Michael Beschloss, the

00:15:37.820 historian, used to be a credible historian, comes on morning, I presume it's morning, Joe,

00:15:42.520 that's where all the lunatics go.

00:15:44.000 And he was like, you know, Donald Trump is going to ban historians.

00:15:48.280 Did you see that?

00:15:48.760 I was like, if it starts with you, okay.

00:15:51.600 It's like dictator on day one, just one in Michael Beschloss.

00:15:54.760 But people are like, no one pushed back on this idea.

00:15:57.480 No, right.

00:15:57.880 They're like, yes.

00:15:59.320 Gravely intoning.

00:16:00.580 Yeah, no, it's going to be very bad.

00:16:01.720 There's going to be no more history.

00:16:03.160 And Joe Scarborough is like, it's going to be like Jeff Bezos.

00:16:06.380 They'll be afraid to publish you.

00:16:08.740 And it's like, guys, there's a fucking internet.

00:16:10.400 Do you guys know about this?

00:16:11.280 You can go post something, put it online.

00:16:13.620 But that response is because of people talking like that.

00:16:16.620 So my favorite, though, this is not a reaction to last night's news, but this guy, you'll

00:16:20.320 know, was on MSNBC.

00:16:23.100 He was talking to Nicole Wallace, and he was predicting that he was going to have to leave

00:16:28.660 the country if Trump won.

00:16:31.300 Look at SOT 12.

00:16:33.100 It is Michael Cohen.

00:16:36.020 What do you think happens to you if he wins?

00:16:38.300 Well, I'm out of here.

00:16:39.060 I mean, I'm already working on a foreign passport with a completely different name.

00:16:45.280 I don't know how it's going to work as far as dealing with my wife and my children.

00:16:53.320 I certainly don't want them moving to where I'm looking to go.

00:16:56.860 So you're out of here.

00:16:57.500 He just doesn't let his wife anymore.

00:16:58.520 I have no choice.

00:17:00.300 Unbelievable state of being.

00:17:02.280 Michael Cohen.

00:17:02.760 I'll still be available to you, but by remote.

00:17:04.760 Remote, right, right.

00:17:05.220 By encrypted remote.

00:17:07.740 Wow.

00:17:08.720 I'm not going to give up my airtime.

00:17:09.860 I'm leaving my wife.

00:17:10.440 I'm leaving my wife, but I'll be available to you.

00:17:12.240 Working on it.

00:17:12.760 When you say you're working on getting...

00:17:15.260 A passport project, by the way.

00:17:17.020 Yes.

00:17:17.500 Not your name.

00:17:18.060 You're not working on it.

00:17:19.040 You get it or you don't.

00:17:20.320 This is the level of freak out, right?

00:17:22.500 This is the level of leftist freak out.

00:17:25.140 Now, one of the most interesting things I saw this morning, though, is...

00:17:27.980 And I loved Morning Joe.

00:17:29.340 I loved watching them try to keep it together.

00:17:32.180 And you know how he gaslit us and he was like, the best Biden ever.

00:17:36.740 Sharpest event.

00:17:37.360 He was one of the worst single actors.

00:17:40.160 As was Kamala Harris, but yes.

00:17:41.520 And then the switcheroo happened and he was like, Kamala, she's great.

00:17:46.280 Yes, this is an amazing move.

00:17:48.020 Yes.

00:17:48.200 As if he had never done the other stuff, right?

00:17:50.900 That's kind of what he tried today.

00:17:52.320 Yep.

00:17:52.620 Where he was like, I've been telling the Democrat party that they've been too far over to the

00:17:57.480 left.

00:17:57.720 They're lunatics and they're going to keep losing.

00:18:00.140 Hello.

00:18:00.540 It was ultimate gaslighting.

00:18:02.520 Hold on.

00:18:02.880 We've got a little bit of it.

00:18:04.140 I think it's not six.

00:18:05.000 Every Democrat that we have ever sat down with dinner with over the past five years who

00:18:11.220 have kids that go to colleges say their kids are afraid to speak in class because they'll

00:18:16.620 be canceled.

00:18:17.600 She'll be destroyed in social media by noon.

00:18:19.700 So they just sit in class quiet.

00:18:22.540 Now, if any of you, which camera?

00:18:24.360 Give me a camera to look at.

00:18:25.740 Boom.

00:18:26.260 Oh, look at that one.

00:18:26.940 If any of you out there say, oh, that's just like a conservative, white, Southern guy,

00:18:33.400 da-da-da, that's what you're losing.

00:18:36.080 That's what you're losing because that's what I heard.

00:18:39.800 And I didn't hear it from Republicans.

00:18:41.360 I didn't hear it from Trumpers.

00:18:42.840 I heard it from Democrats over the past three or four years.

00:18:46.840 Their kids were afraid to talk in class.

00:18:50.040 The Democrats have got to stop all this spending.

00:18:52.360 As we've said on the show a thousand times, Democrats should be smarter on the women's

00:18:56.720 athletics thing.

00:18:57.960 Eighty five percent of Americans oppose men transitioning after puberty and competing

00:19:04.360 against women.

00:19:05.600 But immigration has been a terrible decision for Democrats.

00:19:08.900 I don't know who they knew they were playing to when they let millions of people come cruising

00:19:13.640 through the border.

00:19:15.120 Listen, we spent a lot of time talking about abortion rights.

00:19:18.680 America decided not to blame Donald Trump.

00:19:21.200 America decided, OK, I can vote to protect abortion rights and also vote for him.

00:19:25.240 And we're not going to have these immigrants marauding us.

00:19:27.660 We're not going to have our kids turning trans when they go to school.

00:19:29.960 I'm not sure they were playing to anything that was smart here in terms of open an open

00:19:34.540 border.

00:19:34.960 And that's what it is, an open border.

00:19:36.620 And I think it's a bad decision.

00:19:38.440 I hope they learn from it.

00:19:41.260 Amazing.

00:19:42.060 Amazing.

00:19:42.800 Can I point something out?

00:19:44.200 This is I hadn't seen that first clip with Joe Scarborough and I started having heart

00:19:49.460 palpitations and I'm very hungover.

00:19:51.300 So it's very dangerous.

00:19:52.860 We'll get you some hair of the dog.

00:19:54.120 Oh, my God.

00:19:54.700 I feel terrible.

00:19:55.700 But I have to say, when he's saying, I have been hearing this, you have a fucking TV show.

00:20:00.920 Why are you not telling us?

00:20:02.680 Everybody on these panels knows what went wrong and they didn't tell us when they had

00:20:06.840 a fucking TV show.

00:20:08.040 Why are you telling us now?

00:20:09.820 You're like, everyone's discovered.

00:20:11.140 She's like, you know, the trans thing is like, you could have talked about it.

00:20:14.660 Megyn Kelly has a whole show about it.

00:20:16.100 I know, I know.

00:20:17.580 God, man.

00:20:18.060 If only I had a way of getting my message out.

00:20:19.540 Good Lord.

00:20:20.460 What is wrong with these people?

00:20:22.060 It's amazing for them to look us in the face and be like, we tried to warn you.

00:20:25.060 What?

00:20:25.620 We always knew.

00:20:26.540 We just didn't want to tell you.

00:20:27.420 All you said was Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.

00:20:30.100 That's what you know, by the way.

00:20:31.100 It's not news.

00:20:32.240 And I mean, very seriously about this is that you know that it's partisan.

00:20:35.440 You know that, you know, MSNBC is on this side, Fox is on there.

00:20:37.560 But you cannot pretend to be news when you're only talking about issues that will get a

00:20:43.140 candidate elected and only saying the day after, well, we've been hearing this the whole

00:20:46.660 time.

00:20:46.960 I know.

00:20:47.400 But we were trying to get somebody elected.

00:20:49.540 You are a television station that is working in service of a candidate.

00:20:53.020 Fine.

00:20:53.540 Just label it that way.

00:20:54.240 We had lots of conversations about it at our dinner table.

00:20:56.660 But that's quite helpful.

00:20:57.980 Yeah.

00:20:58.180 See how that worked out for you.

00:20:59.540 What's very strange, though, is that Joe does seem to be trying to have it both ways.

00:21:03.660 Like, he's blaming Democrats for the loss, but he is also talking openly about the fact

00:21:07.620 that he insists there are racist, misogynist Latino men, and they are the reason why they

00:21:13.520 didn't manage to win this election.

00:21:14.960 I'm not sure how it can be both things.

00:21:16.440 Can we look at that?

00:21:17.240 We've got, I don't know if it's just him.

00:21:18.660 We always have a lot.

00:21:19.460 We have a lot.

00:21:20.520 Yeah, I've got you covered, you guys.

00:21:22.580 I mean, soon we're going to have to replay, Joe, I cometh in the morning.

00:21:26.180 But for now, we will do the racist, misogynistic montage.

00:21:30.140 Let's watch.

00:21:31.980 Let's be honest about this, okay?

00:21:33.660 Let's be absolutely blunt about it.

00:21:36.140 There were appeals to racism in this campaign, and there is racial bias in this country, and

00:21:41.900 there is sexism in this country.

00:21:44.000 And anybody who thinks that that did not in any way impact on the outcome of this race

00:21:49.180 is wrong.

00:21:50.040 There was a lot of gender bias in this.

00:21:52.940 There was a lot of race bias in this.

00:21:55.000 We've got to be honest.

00:21:56.200 Among Hispanic men and black men, there's a lot of misogyny.

00:22:00.200 Would you like me to say it?

00:22:01.360 I think you want to say it.

00:22:02.400 Well, if she were a six-foot-four white man from Arkansas, do you think she would be losing

00:22:08.400 by that much?

00:22:09.400 If she could, like, chew tobacco and carry a shotgun and talk about football and be a guy's

00:22:16.700 guy?

00:22:16.980 I mean, you tell me.

00:22:19.680 You mean be a different candidate?

00:22:21.180 Zero evidence to support any of those assertions.

00:22:23.260 All they're looking at are the demographics.

00:22:24.980 And what the demographics do seem to suggest is that a lot of people decided they don't

00:22:28.620 like Kamala Harris.

00:22:29.540 People who are entirely comfortable voting for Barack Obama.

00:22:34.980 Many people who are probably comfortable voting for a Hillary Clinton.

00:22:37.660 People who just don't like Kamala Harris.

00:22:39.600 Who would have run to vote for Michelle Obama.

00:22:41.220 Yeah, she underperformed everywhere.

00:22:43.600 There was every indication before she was selected that she was a bad candidate.

00:22:47.720 She was one of the first people to get bounced from the Democratic primary.

00:22:50.920 The only reason she got selected is because of her gender.

00:22:52.320 And what group made that decision?

00:22:54.040 That was everyone.

00:22:55.020 That was Democrats.

00:22:55.920 That was everyone.

00:22:56.680 Right?

00:22:57.020 All of the Democrats.

00:22:57.940 Merrily.

00:22:58.380 They're looking at the country now like you're a bunch of racists.

00:23:01.080 You, and to blame the Hispanic men.

00:23:02.940 Like what?

00:23:03.720 Why is it their fault?

00:23:04.700 Joe Scarborough did the same thing.

00:23:05.980 I think that Al Sharpton answer, and it's always a very crisp, cogent answer for Al Sharpton.

00:23:10.520 But that answer was in response to Joe Scarborough saying the, you know, we have to deal with

00:23:16.020 the fact that Hispanic men are misogynists and can be racist and they can be racist against

00:23:20.000 black people.

00:23:20.540 And we're slicing it thinner and thinner and thinner.

00:23:22.540 I don't know if this turned out to be true.

00:23:24.540 I think it is.

00:23:25.540 And somebody can correct me if I'm wrong.

00:23:27.640 The last that I saw is that she didn't outperform a single county in America.

00:23:33.020 Yep.

00:23:33.480 It is not.

00:23:34.160 It is bigger than this.

00:23:35.320 Guys, you're doing, like, at the same time, Joe Scarborough says, we have to stop all this,

00:23:39.780 you know, psycho progressive stuff that alienates people.

00:23:43.560 And then they go and do it.

00:23:44.880 Yeah.

00:23:45.140 And you say, that's why they're like, that clip that you play of Kamala, which I hope

00:23:48.840 you play over and over again, the joy in the morning.

00:23:51.920 Might be our theme song now.

00:23:52.820 She is just so awkward beyond being a bad candidate for a thousand policy reasons that we don't

00:23:58.100 even know her policy.

00:23:59.300 She's just not an appealing candidate.

00:24:01.760 Full stop.

00:24:02.340 She's bad at it.

00:24:03.200 And then they picked Tim Walz to make it even worse.

00:24:05.000 Stand by.

00:24:05.320 We need to watch it one more time.

00:24:06.360 Weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.

00:24:16.140 The path may seem hard.

00:24:18.500 The work may seem heavy, but joy cometh in the morning.

00:24:23.880 And church morning is on its way.

00:24:26.740 The arms extended.

00:24:31.340 You know, you guys, you're busy men.

00:24:32.740 So you may not have seen our other favorite montage of her accents, but let's just have

00:24:36.620 some fun.

00:24:37.120 We earned it.

00:24:38.100 Let's watch.

00:24:39.120 Yeah.

00:24:39.500 Do we have the accents?

00:24:40.340 Have you no empathy, man?

00:24:42.820 You know, for the suffering of other people, have you no sense of purpose?

00:24:50.780 You better thank a union member for sick leave.

00:24:54.180 You better thank a union member for paid leave.

00:24:57.100 You better thank a union member for vacation time.

00:25:01.880 I love you back.

00:25:03.780 We're going to beat him in November.

00:25:05.540 We're going to beat him in November.

00:25:07.240 We're going to beat him.

00:25:09.500 We'll beat him in November.

00:25:10.980 And you all helped us win in 2020, and we're going to do it again in 2024.

00:25:16.300 We're going to do it again.

00:25:19.440 I mean, it's a real mystery why she lost.

00:25:36.900 I can't.

00:25:37.380 The one when she was in Ireland, and she's like, I'm talking old to you.

00:25:41.080 Like, you gotta vote.

00:25:42.800 It's gotten fucking crazy like.

00:25:44.780 And she's like, oh, come on.

00:25:46.460 Camille, that first one was a Jamaican accent, wasn't it?

00:25:48.760 Is that what she was doing?

00:25:49.440 Do you think she was doing a Jamaican accent?

00:25:50.160 Yes, it was Jamaican.

00:25:51.480 Yeah.

00:25:52.500 Have you no decency, man, or whatever?

00:25:54.860 Yeah, it was literally the worst Jamaican.

00:25:56.880 You think my Jamaican accent's better.

00:25:59.100 I mean, the point is, there wasn't an authentic bone.

00:26:01.740 There isn't an authentic bone in her body.

00:26:03.620 We still don't know who Kamala Harris is.

00:26:05.400 No.

00:26:05.680 It's not misogynistic or racist to observe that.

00:26:08.900 No.

00:26:09.440 And it's not being persnickety to say that maybe she should have done some interviews and

00:26:15.340 talked to people.

00:26:15.980 Since she didn't compete in a primary.

00:26:18.160 This is where you lose me.

00:26:20.160 I lose you because you don't think that she should have done interviews?

00:26:23.200 Because going out there and talking is what really sealed her fate.

00:26:26.500 No, I mean, it would have absolutely sealed her fate, but that would have given American

00:26:31.700 voters more to work with if she was a good candidate.

00:26:34.460 I mean, I saw someone tweeting yesterday that, you know, this is back when they thought that

00:26:39.100 she was going to win, that it was a very clever move of her not to go and show Rogan because

00:26:43.600 it was just going to be a trap.

00:26:44.980 In some senses, it's true.

00:26:46.560 Her unscripted for three hours would be a disaster in kind of any setting.

00:26:50.280 As far as we know, we've never really seen a three hour Kamala Harris that works out.

00:26:54.680 But that is part of what primary campaigns and also the media campaign do.

00:26:58.160 They're supposed to toughen up a candidate.

00:26:59.420 Okay, Moynihan mentioned Tim Walls earlier.

00:27:01.800 Remember his deer in the headlights performance at the vice presidential campaign because

00:27:04.860 he too was cloistered.

00:27:06.700 One of the positive things about this drubbing is that it's going to make sure that the next

00:27:12.520 democratic media strategy can't be the same.

00:27:15.100 You can't just put your candidate in the bunker.

00:27:17.520 They did it.

00:27:18.400 They really did it twice in a row.

00:27:19.740 They did it twice in a row.

00:27:20.800 And they had a lot of media, including people who interviewed her, like Stephanie Ruhl,

00:27:23.900 say, yeah, that's a good strategy.

00:27:25.460 Let's do it that way.

00:27:26.340 I didn't even want to talk to her.

00:27:27.220 That's terrible.

00:27:27.340 That was anti-democratic.

00:27:29.420 It's so crazy.

00:27:30.100 And voters absolutely rejected it.

00:27:32.780 Tim Walls had a great slogan that I wish he believed in.

00:27:37.860 And I think that the Americans kind of showed how much they didn't believe it, which is mind

00:27:40.980 you, you know, we say mind your own damn business here.

00:27:43.500 Democrats never actually let Americans mind their own damn business.

00:27:47.540 And calling the people who don't vote Democrats racist is part of that.

00:27:50.940 If you wake up in the morning and suddenly there's a new like encyclopedia drops on your desk about

00:27:56.840 the acceptable terms that you must use to everybody.

00:27:59.200 And if you do it wrong, a whole bunch of people are going to point their fingers and either

00:28:02.500 laugh at you or say that you committed a transgression against other people.

00:28:06.800 If you bum them out in their workplace, if you change the rules under which they compete in

00:28:11.460 high school, if you do all kinds of you are not letting them mind their own damn business.

00:28:15.140 There is a live and let live ethos that is natural to America.

00:28:19.320 And it should have been at some point natural to Democrats.

00:28:22.260 It is not at all.

00:28:23.560 They are constantly the HR manager, like pointing to the bankers and telling you what to do.

00:28:27.440 And people are sick of it.

00:28:29.420 Sick of it.

00:28:29.640 Yes.

00:28:30.140 Across the country.

00:28:31.200 Yeah.

00:28:31.440 Here's one of the things that we're hearing this morning.

00:28:33.180 I heard it on Morning Joe and elsewhere.

00:28:34.880 She hit all her marks.

00:28:36.380 She.

00:28:36.720 Yeah.

00:28:36.940 She ran a great campaign.

00:28:37.920 You can't blame Kamala Harris.

00:28:39.160 That's incredible.

00:28:40.100 Not even a little bit.

00:28:41.060 How on earth can they say that?

00:28:42.560 I mean, I take you back to her performance on The View with a very friendly interviewer.

00:28:49.500 Sunny Hostin was all in for Kamala Harris.

00:28:51.700 And this was one of the defining moments of her 107-day campaign.

00:28:54.780 Watch.

00:28:56.300 Well, if anything, would you have done something differently than President Biden during the

00:29:03.300 past four years?

00:29:05.540 There is not a thing that comes to mind in terms of, and I've been a part of most of the

00:29:11.560 decisions that have had impact.

00:29:14.480 Mm-hmm.

00:29:15.020 Yeah.

00:29:15.400 It's weird.

00:29:16.120 It's amazing.

00:29:16.840 I mean, first of all, to not be prepared for that question.

00:29:19.780 She did not hit all her marks.

00:29:20.660 I mean, also, Sunny Hostin had to read that question off a card.

00:29:25.900 You couldn't think, you couldn't remember that one?

00:29:27.620 Because it was mildly challenging.

00:29:28.860 She never would have come up with that on her own.

00:29:31.060 I don't know.

00:29:32.240 I'm scared.

00:29:33.080 I know you're not going to nail this.

00:29:34.420 She was shaking like I am right now from being hung over.

00:29:37.160 But that amazing thing is that, you know, people have talked about that quite a bit,

00:29:41.600 and it will become a cliche quickly, but it shouldn't be, because it's absolutely true.

00:29:45.180 But what she had to do was differentiate herself, because what they did was say that they're

00:29:49.860 not in power, right?

00:29:50.760 I'm not in power.

00:29:51.640 She took credit for being vice president when it mattered, right?

00:29:54.560 When she thought she could gain something, Afghanistan and the debate.

00:29:57.920 She was like, what Joe did, and I was like, oh, it's not yours anymore.

00:30:00.840 And also, I've met with presidents, prime ministers, chancellors, and kings.

00:30:05.200 Yes, yes, the prime minister of Trinidad and Tobago, which she had on one day, that's

00:30:11.300 leadership.

00:30:12.340 But she, but like, this is honestly, she doesn't have, if you came out there and said, look,

00:30:17.180 we have to be honest, we should have handled the border differently.

00:30:20.460 Yes.

00:30:20.880 Americans are forgiving.

00:30:22.280 We're forgiving people.

00:30:23.360 If you present that in a way that says, I need to correct this, and that's why I'm running.

00:30:27.460 Just to say, I was in the second position, all right?

00:30:29.600 I'm sorry, but let's be honest.

00:30:31.420 I was never given the job of setting policy.

00:30:33.340 I was given the job of supporting him in his policy setting, and I did that.

00:30:36.920 But now that I'm being asked, what will I do?

00:30:38.820 And I can see what's happened to the country.

00:30:40.120 Here's exactly what I'll do.

00:30:41.160 Sure.

00:30:41.440 Kamala Harris has been a prominent figure in American politics for a little while now.

00:30:45.020 She ushered into the Senate in 2016, along with Donald Trump being ushered into the presidency.

00:30:49.600 But I'd watched tape of her talking in 2011 about her smart on crime book, and she was

00:30:55.500 cogent, and she was even compelling.

00:30:58.180 She was a pretty good speaker.

00:31:00.020 She was also a totally different person.

00:31:01.580 The policies she was talking about at that time when she was locking up parents for not

00:31:05.240 having their kids go to school regularly, she was defending them, saying, we need to

00:31:09.240 stop making this all about politics when we talk about criminal justice reform.

00:31:12.520 We shouldn't make this about kind of race and identity.

00:31:14.840 It's the polar opposite of the things that she would be saying in 2020.

00:31:18.220 And it's very strange, and I don't know that there's necessarily a connection, maybe it's

00:31:21.660 something else entirely, that she could do that when she was being somewhat reasonable

00:31:26.800 on policy.

00:31:28.180 And by the time she gets to 2020, and she's crowing about how amazing these demonstrators

00:31:33.080 are who are in the streets in late June, after you've already seen police precincts

00:31:36.960 burn to the ground, and she's saying they're going to stay in the streets, they're going

00:31:39.860 to be there before the election, they'll be there after the election.

00:31:42.680 It's strange that she is someone now who can barely string words together in a coherent

00:31:47.980 way.

00:31:48.460 I don't really know what's going on.

00:31:49.900 I think politics destroys people.

00:31:51.580 She's trying to please everybody.

00:31:52.800 Not everybody is like that.

00:31:54.140 J.D. Vance got into politics and began shining more than he ever had.

00:31:57.240 Yeah, I mean, he had a rough start.

00:31:58.980 It's been a sort of short ride for him, too, because he was a novelist, he had different

00:32:03.720 political...

00:32:03.740 I know, this is not going to turn into that bobblehead that just fell off my desk.

00:32:07.600 The thing that can't be explained is how she became so inarticulate, because Camille sent

00:32:12.500 me this clip, and she did seem like a different person.

00:32:14.380 But when you're trying to be something to everybody, she couldn't hammer down any position.

00:32:19.900 Because she didn't want to alienate everybody.

00:32:21.540 This goes back to my Phil Houston, who's the spy of the lie guy.

00:32:25.220 He was CIA deception detection inventor and teacher for 25 years.

00:32:29.520 And on the inside of the agency, detecting our foreign spies inside the agency, double

00:32:34.660 agency on.

00:32:35.500 And he always says that a truth teller runs toward the truth.

00:32:39.420 You can hear the difference in the way a truth teller talks to you.

00:32:42.560 They're not trying to avoid the soft spot.

00:32:44.600 They're like, yeah, let's go right to the soft spot, because it's actually not soft for

00:32:47.460 me at all.

00:32:47.840 I'm completely rock solid there.

00:32:49.600 Let's go.

00:32:50.700 And she spoke like somebody who was constantly deceiving, like she had something to hide,

00:32:56.620 and she really didn't want you to press that issue.

00:32:58.940 And people perceive that you don't have to be Phil Houston, the spy of the lie guy, to

00:33:02.880 know it.

00:33:03.260 You just know it on a gut level.

00:33:05.020 She didn't have the confidence or the positions that she could share.

00:33:07.680 And like Joe Biden, and like a lot of Democrats over the last 10 and arguably 20 years, she is

00:33:13.660 running as an anti-thing.

00:33:15.880 I'm not Trump.

00:33:17.000 So I'm going to keep the coalition together by not alienating anybody.

00:33:21.060 And I'm just going to not be Trump.

00:33:23.620 And at some point, you can't just run as the opposite.

00:33:26.220 Democrats did this under George W. Bush, too, who we've forgotten now.

00:33:29.560 But he was a divisive, polarizing, and also popular president.

00:33:34.040 And so we're not going to be Bush.

00:33:36.000 And that's not good enough.

00:33:37.580 All right?

00:33:37.820 You can't just say, I'm not going to be this guy, especially when your guy is the president.

00:33:42.780 And Americans have a very strong negative attitude about the current economy, definitely

00:33:47.260 about the future economy.

00:33:48.620 I think Gallup came out with numbers this week where like 63% thinks the economy is going

00:33:52.720 to get worse.

00:33:53.760 They're feeling terrible about Congress and even worse about the media.

00:33:57.320 So if you have all of that, it's not good enough to say that you're not this other person

00:34:01.020 who's been the president in the past.

00:34:02.640 You've got to have some kind of articulable vision.

00:34:05.520 Donald Trump is not for whatever, you know, love him and hate him.

00:34:09.020 He's not running as I am not the Democrat.

00:34:11.480 He's I am Donald Trump.

00:34:12.860 I am saying crazy things all the time.

00:34:15.260 I'm making you laugh.

00:34:16.240 You like my policies.

00:34:17.340 You hate my policies.

00:34:18.420 But there were policies.

00:34:19.360 But it was a policy election from him in a way.

00:34:21.720 It is a policy election and it's also his personality election, too.

00:34:25.360 You don't have any sense that he's like trying not to alienate constituencies when he's out

00:34:30.760 there.

00:34:30.980 He is a personality and people.

00:34:32.920 Nate Silver had, I think, the best kind of summation of his appeal is that he's like

00:34:36.940 a billboard lawyer, right?

00:34:38.360 Like you don't you don't get him necessarily because you think that he's the most polished

00:34:42.620 in our ticket.

00:34:43.220 You get him because he's going to go punch somebody in the mouth.

00:34:45.320 But that that is a positive vision of, you know, he's his own personality.

00:34:49.960 She did not run on the personality.

00:34:51.920 Authentic and familiar versus inauthentic and maybe completely alien.

00:34:56.140 She's the vice president, but you have no idea who this person is.

00:34:58.600 It was still a plan, right?

00:34:59.880 I mean, time after time when she did put herself out there and she was asked what exactly on

00:35:03.760 the border, like, why don't you do it earlier?

00:35:05.820 You say now that you're going to be John Wayne and you're going to go down there and you're

00:35:08.580 going to crack some skulls and get it, you know, and why don't you do it early?

00:35:11.400 She didn't have an answer.

00:35:12.640 Well, it led to one of the most infamous, in my view, exchanges.

00:35:15.180 It was at the CNN town hall, and this is the best she could come up with after having

00:35:19.260 been impressed on this by Stephanie Ruhle and others.

00:35:21.260 This is not her first crack at it.

00:35:23.420 Why not earlier?

00:35:24.600 This is I love it.

00:35:25.460 Take a look at, well, 104.

00:35:29.280 Some voters, though, might ask, you've been in the White House for four years.

00:35:32.620 You were vice president, not the president.

00:35:34.140 But why wasn't any of that done over the last four years?

00:35:38.140 Well, there was a lot that was done, but there's more to do, Anderson.

00:35:40.960 And I'm pointing out things that need to be done, that haven't been done, but need to

00:35:45.800 be done.

00:35:48.240 She is so bad at this.

00:35:50.180 I just want to say that the art of bullshitting, my friend Eli Lake has one of the best podcasts

00:35:56.480 I've listened to in a very long time about the difference between lying and bullshitting.

00:36:00.120 It's up on the Honestly feed, Barry Weiss's feed.

00:36:02.880 And he has this kind of deep investigation on how politicians bullshit and why that's different

00:36:07.900 from lying.

00:36:08.700 You have to be able to bullshit.

00:36:09.740 His argument, which I agree with, is that Americans not only tolerate bullshit, they

00:36:14.780 should kind of like it.

00:36:15.740 They don't like lying.

00:36:16.700 And that is not good bullshit.

00:36:18.540 She has no idea where to go.

00:36:19.940 And she's like, we've done things, but we'll do more.

00:36:22.400 But why didn't we do them in the past?

00:36:23.640 Because we're going to do them in the future.

00:36:26.420 Are you?

00:36:27.160 That was good.

00:36:27.860 That was not bad.

00:36:28.720 I should actually win.

00:36:29.880 But the thing is, it's like the kid who you're a teacher, and he doesn't bring the

00:36:34.400 homework in.

00:36:35.400 And he's like, I'll get it to you tomorrow.

00:36:36.620 It doesn't get it.

00:36:37.020 And then the third day, you just stop believing them.

00:36:40.440 You had the years.

00:36:42.080 You didn't do anything.

00:36:42.940 Why would I believe you now?

00:36:44.140 And honestly, it's like I object to your laziness and not preparing a better answer.

00:36:47.300 You know, if you're going to spin me, at least put some effort into it.

00:36:50.020 They must have had these sessions, because this is what happens with politicians before

00:36:53.820 debates and before town halls, that they're drilled by the people around them.

00:36:58.500 Those have to have happened.

00:36:59.620 No, but you remember the reporting on how she doesn't like to do her homework.

00:37:02.620 Yes.

00:37:03.060 And that's what I'm like.

00:37:04.120 There are people telling her what to say, and she just not listening, I guess.

00:37:07.760 The only homework she appears to have done is to have studied those note cards before

00:37:10.900 the debate, to memorize 10 to 12 grand answers that she could just deliver.

00:37:16.480 And she was good at that.

00:37:17.520 She did remember her lines, but she could never do it in the interview context.

00:37:21.180 I never understood why they just didn't do that prior to the interviews.

00:37:24.280 There's not a huge range of subjects you're going to get asked about.

00:37:27.220 You might fall down on the job and maybe two or three that we didn't prepare you for.

00:37:30.620 But if you memorize these 12 note cards on the core subjects, you can do well with Anderson

00:37:34.300 Cooper.

00:37:34.640 You could even do well with Brett Baer.

00:37:36.240 She didn't or they didn't.

00:37:37.900 I don't know.

00:37:38.620 It doesn't matter.

00:37:40.420 It's all, you know, at least it's the same place.

00:37:42.400 So I want to make this point.

00:37:43.800 Going back to the new Scarborough, I told you, I completely understand everybody anti, you

00:37:48.060 know, the trans insanity and better messaging on inflation.

00:37:51.580 They bring back Chris Matthews, who, I mean, everybody's bringing back the guys.

00:37:54.940 I'm so happy to see him.

00:37:56.320 It's been a good one.

00:37:56.940 Stelter's back on CNN and Matthews is back on MS.

00:38:00.680 The morning show, it's like the left hand's not talking on the right hand.

00:38:03.400 The morning show needs to talk to the evening shows because Joy Reid is not pulling away.

00:38:08.520 This is not a Joy campaign.

00:38:09.840 This is no.

00:38:10.680 She is not pulling away from the core messaging.

00:38:13.300 This was her one of her initial reactions last night.

00:38:15.600 Let's play SOT 9.

00:38:19.560 Black voters came through for Kamala Harris.

00:38:22.320 White women voters did not.

00:38:24.280 That is what it appears happened in that state is that if you can't slip enough white

00:38:30.620 women, and we've talked about this on this set numerous times, is that you have a state

00:38:35.580 where you've got a six week abortion or a 12 week abortion.

00:38:38.040 I think theirs might be 12 weeks.

00:38:39.320 Yep.

00:38:39.420 But it's a state where women lost their reproductive rights, where there was a very heavy push to

00:38:44.320 get women to focus on not putting in place, you know, re-electing, putting back into the

00:38:50.380 White House the person who was responsible for taking those rights away and restoring

00:38:53.860 them.

00:38:54.520 But that message obviously was not enough to get enough white women to vote for Vice President

00:39:01.540 Harris, a fellow woman.

00:39:02.480 And this will be the second opportunity that white women in this country have to change

00:39:07.340 the way that they interact with the patriarchy.

00:39:10.620 And they didn't do it.

00:39:13.160 That's the problem.

00:39:13.760 The white women are the problem because they don't understand how to interact with the

00:39:18.340 patriarchy, which I don't think that's going to be a winning message during the four years

00:39:23.300 we're about to have of Trump.

00:39:24.380 But she's going to double down.

00:39:26.420 And it's not just Joy Reid over on MSNBC.

00:39:29.120 The ladies of the view.

00:39:31.840 I mean, you're here.

00:39:33.440 I had to do it.

00:39:34.540 By the way, we were in the other room and it was literally on.

00:39:36.820 And I was like, when you come to Megyn Kelly, the view is on.

00:39:39.620 She likes to hurt us.

00:39:40.500 Yes.

00:39:40.780 Sonny Hauston was reading a card about something.

00:39:42.880 There you go.

00:39:43.600 Yeah.

00:39:44.140 Speaking of Sonny Hauston, take a look at SOP 15.

00:39:50.000 I worry not about myself, actually.

00:39:52.740 I don't worry about my station in life.

00:39:54.740 I worry about the working class.

00:39:56.700 I worry about my mother, a retired teacher.

00:39:59.240 I worry about our elderly and their Social Security and their Medicare.

00:40:02.700 I worry about my children's future, especially my daughter, who now has less rights than I

00:40:08.240 have.

00:40:09.180 And I remember my father telling me many, many years ago that I was the first person in

00:40:14.500 his family to enjoy full civil rights.

00:40:18.720 And now I have less civil rights than I had when he told me that.

00:40:22.320 I think that going forward, the convicted felon box on employment applications better be

00:40:28.180 taken off.

00:40:28.880 Because if you can be the President of the United States, then you should not be prevented from

00:40:34.560 employment in this country.

00:40:35.940 I'm worried about mass deportation and internment camps.

00:40:39.000 And I'm also worried about Elon Musk warning Americans to prepare for temporary hardship.

00:40:43.820 Everyone's wearing black.

00:40:47.620 She's in mourning.

00:40:48.460 She's worried about her daughter, who is a multimillionaire.

00:40:52.920 I mean, her parents are multimillionaires.

00:40:54.920 Her home looks like Mar-a-Lago.

00:40:57.020 It's a massive, sprawling estate.

00:40:59.400 She lives in New York, where we have abortion on demand all the way to the end of pregnancy.

00:41:03.360 But she's talking about how she has different rights than her daughter.

00:41:04.600 But the people that tend to the garden, they're not going to have all the rights.

00:41:08.220 The people that tend to the garden.

00:41:09.100 Yeah.

00:41:09.520 She's upset about that.

00:41:10.580 The people that are mowing her lawn are the working class that she cares about.

00:41:13.220 Even though they voted for Donald Trump.

00:41:14.560 Yeah.

00:41:14.680 You know what?

00:41:15.320 This is, if you want to learn a lesson from this election now, I mean, to go back before,

00:41:19.840 I cannot stand we blame a group for something.

00:41:22.440 The white women.

00:41:23.340 Oh, yeah.

00:41:23.600 The white women.

00:41:23.820 No, it's just they are the problem.

00:41:25.100 I mean, there's, I mean, what are we at?

00:41:26.700 Like 75 million votes for Donald Trump now?

00:41:28.900 And the white women are the problem?

00:41:29.680 It's the, it's white.

00:41:30.720 I just, I can't stand it.

00:41:31.940 But one lesson has to be learned.

00:41:34.580 And they're still in the habit of it now.

00:41:36.720 So the next day, you're going to get it.

00:41:38.420 Morning, Joe, you're going to get it.

00:41:39.340 I mean, they're actually a little confused.

00:41:40.880 Morning, Joe.

00:41:41.640 You have Joe Scarborough doing the race kind of hustling thing and then saying this is the problem.

00:41:47.620 But I'll tell you what people don't like.

00:41:49.500 75 million people voted for Donald Trump in 2020.

00:41:52.840 Do you want to call them fascist sympathizers?

00:41:55.540 Because fascism means one thing.

00:41:58.980 And we know what they're telegraphing.

00:42:00.840 They're telegraphing Hitler.

00:42:02.120 The New Republic had Donald Trump's face with a Hitler mustache on it.

00:42:05.540 They were less subtle.

00:42:06.800 We have this thing every day when it's like, you know, the historians are going to be thrown in prison.

00:42:11.300 They're going to round us journalists up and put us in camps.

00:42:14.440 No one cares about you.

00:42:17.040 Literally no one gives a shit.

00:42:18.860 Stop thinking that anyone cares what you think.

00:42:21.440 We care about you because we get to make fun of you.

00:42:23.580 Because you're a fucking idiot.

00:42:24.880 I'm sorry.

00:42:25.540 I'm very exercised this morning because I'm hungover and because I hate these people so much.

00:42:29.280 But can we stop this?

00:42:31.240 The Hispanics, they're, you know, they are minorities.

00:42:34.540 They're this, that, and the other.

00:42:35.460 You talk to Hispanic people, they're like, what?

00:42:38.160 Did you see there's a Harvard study about the use of the word Latinx?

00:42:41.220 Yeah, they're not.

00:42:41.760 And it went like.

00:42:42.520 Two percent.

00:42:43.160 If it was like anyone even around it, it negatively rebounded on everything around them.

00:42:49.500 How many times do I have to tell you it's Latinx?

00:42:51.460 Yeah, no.

00:42:52.220 Is that how you tell me that?

00:42:52.720 Well, there's a debate.

00:42:54.540 Oh, it's not that we don't know for sure.

00:42:56.280 No, it's not.

00:42:56.800 No, because no one uses it.

00:42:58.100 We actually don't know how to say it.

00:42:59.900 Even that is still under debate.

00:43:00.980 Hold on.

00:43:01.760 Speaking of Latinos, take a listen to Harry Enten over on CNN summarizing what happened.

00:43:07.260 I know he's been doing a great job.

00:43:08.220 Stop 17.

00:43:09.940 Look at this.

00:43:10.820 Kamala Harris won Latinos in Pennsylvania, but just by 15 points.

00:43:14.940 If you go back four years ago, among Latinos in Pennsylvania, Joe Biden's margin was, get

00:43:19.740 this, John, 42 points.

00:43:22.600 Donald Trump winning among Latinos in Florida by 18 points.

00:43:25.740 Now, you might say, you know, Latinos in Florida, Cubans.

00:43:28.000 As you two were pointing out, it wasn't just Cubans.

00:43:30.580 But keep in mind, four years ago, Joe Biden carried Latinos in the great state of Florida.

00:43:36.120 So Donald Trump flipped it.

00:43:38.160 How about Texas?

00:43:39.160 How about Texas?

00:43:40.240 Look here.

00:43:40.740 Again, another win for Donald Trump.

00:43:43.620 We are seeing this movement across the map.

00:43:45.620 Remember, eight years ago, Latinos were one of the biggest trouble spots for Donald Trump

00:43:51.940 against Hillary Clinton.

00:43:53.300 Miami-Dade, he lost that by what, 30 points?

00:43:56.280 Four of eight years ago?

00:43:57.560 Tonight or last night, he carried Miami-Dade.

00:44:00.660 We're just seeing this explosion of Latino support for Donald Trump.

00:44:04.860 And the bottom line is we've been talking about realignment, realignment, realignment among

00:44:08.960 Hispanics.

00:44:09.560 That's definitely realignment.

00:44:11.440 This is what realignment looks like.

00:44:14.320 This is what realignment looks like.

00:44:16.360 I mean, maybe they, too, don't understand the patriarchy and how they interact with it.

00:44:19.560 And, you know, with Sonny Hostin, she's talking about she's worried about the working class.

00:44:22.980 What is the realignment?

00:44:23.900 The realignment is a working class realignment.

00:44:26.680 I mean, the Latinos have more of a working class than the whites and the white women and

00:44:32.320 everybody else.

00:44:32.880 But, you know, this is yet another liberal elite bullshit line of, like, you're too stupid

00:44:38.840 to know what's good for you.

00:44:40.180 Yes.

00:44:40.640 The Gardner is dumb.

00:44:42.060 I need to tell the Gardner how to write me.

00:44:43.800 Americans love being condescended to.

00:44:45.420 It's just going to work over and over again.

00:44:47.460 But why do you think that the Latinos have moved over to Trump in such massive numbers?

00:44:51.940 Patrick Ruffini, I think, has done a lot of the best work on this.

00:44:54.500 He has a book that came out, I think, last December about the working class realignment.

00:44:59.140 It's cultural issues as much as it's Latinx, like, to the extent that that is something

00:45:06.260 that people have ever heard about.

00:45:07.640 It's like, what are you even talking about?

00:45:09.820 And again, it's things that affect you in your cultural life and in your workplace, and

00:45:14.860 you don't understand it and you don't like it.

00:45:16.760 And it feels like a them has imposed it upon you.

00:45:20.420 I said this before the election.

00:45:21.900 Donald Trump could always depend on having a bigger vote among people who are mad at them.

00:45:27.340 I know so many people, we all know so many people who live in New York, who hate the

00:45:30.780 way that New York is governed, the city, the state, or whatever.

00:45:34.140 And if you wanted to express how you don't like things that are governed in New York,

00:45:37.800 how did you vote yesterday?

00:45:39.800 You voted for Trump, even though, what's he going to do to New York?

00:45:42.760 Who knows?

00:45:43.300 But if you're mad at them, and the them tend to be the people who control culture more,

00:45:47.660 media, Hollywood, and also big city governance, you express this by Trump because them have

00:45:54.200 been bumming you out.

00:45:55.340 They've been kind of getting in your kitchen.

00:45:56.620 They've been condescending to you for a long time, and you're sick of it.

00:45:59.420 The cultural thing is very interesting because they're mostly Catholic, and I'm Catholic.

00:46:03.760 And you go to mass on Sundays, and you hear when they get into the culture stuff, they

00:46:08.160 are not pro-trans.

00:46:09.620 They do not believe God makes mistakes in creating human beings, or they don't buy into

00:46:14.620 any of the trans insanity.

00:46:16.320 Trust me, because when I was first getting the papers for my annulment, which I am actually

00:46:20.600 in the process of trying to do on my first marriage, Doug and I are good.

00:46:23.780 I was like, what happened?

00:46:25.520 Moynihan wakes up.

00:46:27.740 So, Megan, this is a new America.

00:46:34.360 It's coming.

00:46:35.280 Just coming.

00:46:35.940 It's coming to the Moynihan household.

00:46:38.460 I looked into, I went to this period where I was like, I don't know, am I really Catholic?

00:46:45.240 Do I really want to do this?

00:46:46.000 It's absurd that they're making me do this.

00:46:47.460 And I shopped around for some other religions within Christianity.

00:46:50.380 And I wound up sticking with my faith that I was born into because they're hardcore on

00:46:55.720 the issues that I'm hardcore on, too.

00:46:57.340 Like, I appreciate that they are holding the line on the trans insanity.

00:47:01.880 And so are my fellow people in the Latinx community.

00:47:05.800 And not just that, but on immigration.

00:47:08.620 Latinos are like trans on immigration.

00:47:11.460 I do think that the biggest loser yesterday might be identity politics writ large.

00:47:16.800 I mean, there's a very real sense in which Kamala Harris is an identity politics candidate.

00:47:20.860 Her entire legacy in the Senate, to the extent she has one, is just trying to position herself

00:47:25.580 with respect to what activists are interested in along those lines.

00:47:29.060 And it's interesting just how kind of absurd the notion of Latino is as a category.

00:47:35.540 I don't know if it's as absurd as like Asian, because there's so many, the geographic territory is different,

00:47:41.600 but it might be about as absurd as Asian.

00:47:44.060 The El Salvadorians are not Mexicans, are not Ecuadorians, are not Chileans.

00:47:49.100 And even within those communities, Brazil is massive.

00:47:52.220 It is incredibly diverse.

00:47:53.600 And the fact that Democrats imagine they could message to this diverse constellation of people

00:47:58.120 by just saying, Latinos, we know what you want.

00:48:00.400 You're concerned about your fellow brethren who are trying to cross the border illegally.

00:48:04.060 We don't want them to come illegally.

00:48:05.900 We want them to come the way that we did.

00:48:07.300 Or at least, I'm here, maybe I came illegally, but I got legal real quick.

00:48:10.520 And this isn't working out particularly well.

00:48:12.400 It isn't happening in a way that's orderly.

00:48:14.460 This is unacceptable.

00:48:16.120 And the Democrats thought they could skate on that, and they simply cannot.

00:48:18.860 And I heard someone else make the observation that the Democrats kept messaging to them

00:48:23.160 as if they were this one monolithic bloc.

00:48:25.240 The Republicans were messaging to them the same way they messaged to everybody else.

00:48:29.460 These are the issues that matter to you.

00:48:31.200 We understand it.

00:48:32.000 We're going to do something to address it while the Democrats were telling you there is no

00:48:35.380 crisis on the border.

00:48:35.820 And trying to spin you up on abortion, which, by the way, is another thing that Catholics

00:48:38.820 aren't so pro on.

00:48:40.340 I've been saying this for years, and I'm a broken record.

00:48:43.120 But this is the Marxist concept of false consciousness.

00:48:47.440 When Marx and Engels were asked, why are the working class not lining up behind you?

00:48:51.180 They say, well, they're suffering from false consciousness, the capitalist press is tricking

00:48:55.580 them into, and you continue to believe that, then you don't have to change your policies

00:48:58.500 at all.

00:48:59.060 So one of the things which they just project themselves and Park Slope onto Hispanics,

00:49:05.340 because Hispanics are a minority group, and I'm really good.

00:49:08.100 I care about minorities.

00:49:09.740 What happened?

00:49:10.500 Tony Hinchcliffe, right?

00:49:12.300 The comic.

00:49:12.680 Talked about this for how long?

00:49:14.480 Yeah.

00:49:14.840 How much did we give this?

00:49:16.920 You have Charlie Cook coming on, a brilliant guy, but he lives in Florida.

00:49:21.900 He's British, but trust him on this.

00:49:23.400 He knows a lot about Florida.

00:49:23.960 He's American now.

00:49:25.840 He can never, never, never.

00:49:27.700 He's here.

00:49:28.200 You're going to get it.

00:49:28.520 Yeah, no, no, with that accent, you can't do it.

00:49:30.280 But Osceola County, which I think has one of the highest percentages of Puerto Ricans outside

00:49:35.100 of Puerto Rico, flip for Trump.

00:49:36.940 Yep.

00:49:37.640 Apparently, they have a sense of humor.

00:49:39.780 That doesn't mean the joke's funny.

00:49:41.160 You can say it's not a funny joke, but I know it's a joke.

00:49:43.440 And I got upset, I said this, and I was kind of booed by the crowd at Bill Maher.

00:49:48.000 It was just kind of, when Joe Biden said-

00:49:49.600 I was booed by the crowd at Bill Maher.

00:49:50.700 Yeah, but it's-

00:49:51.460 The best of us have been there.

00:49:52.460 They look at you very scaredly.

00:49:53.980 But when Joe Biden said, a speaker at this Madison Square Garden, a speaker?

00:50:00.100 Yeah.

00:50:00.360 He's a comedian.

00:50:01.260 It's not the same thing.

00:50:02.720 She did the same thing.

00:50:03.340 It's not the same thing.

00:50:04.500 To say a speaker said, oh, are you saying that?

00:50:06.420 They're not stupid like that.

00:50:07.760 They see this stuff and they say, yeah, that's a bad joke.

00:50:10.440 But they're not like, oh my God, clutch the pearls, get the fainting couch.

00:50:13.760 Because that's how these people are.

00:50:15.320 And they think people in Osceola County are the same way.

00:50:17.440 They're not.

00:50:17.960 I'm sorry to tell you.

00:50:19.000 All right.

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00:51:28.020 So we have got to talk about the failure of the celebrity.

00:51:38.660 Oprah Winfrey, you have no power.

00:51:41.960 You do not have any control over this electorate.

00:51:44.860 Neither do you, J-Lo.

00:51:46.300 Let's take a look at Oprah's final closing message on the campaign trail.

00:51:49.580 We don't get to sit this one out.

00:51:57.840 If we don't show up tomorrow, it is entirely possible that we will not have the opportunity

00:52:06.420 to ever cast a ballot again.

00:52:08.980 We are voting to save ourselves from this precipice of danger.

00:52:17.460 We are not listening to you.

00:52:21.420 You do not have the influence you think you do.

00:52:24.220 I got to play J-Lo too.

00:52:25.560 Here we go.

00:52:26.180 You matter.

00:52:30.100 I remember.

00:52:31.400 I remember growing up thinking my president cared about me, cared about my parents, cared

00:52:37.160 about my neighbors and my community, not just some Americans, but all Americans.

00:52:41.540 I believe that our kids and this wonderfully progressive, innovative, and inclusive young

00:52:48.680 generation deserve that too.

00:52:51.300 And it is in our hands.

00:52:53.900 It's our responsibility to provide that for them.

00:52:57.860 He has consistently worked to divide us.

00:53:01.500 Yeah.

00:53:01.760 At Madison Square Garden, he reminded us how he really is and how he really feels.

00:53:09.400 It wasn't just Puerto Ricans that were offended that day.

00:53:12.760 Okay.

00:53:13.440 It was every Latino in this country.

00:53:15.940 It was humanity and anyone of decent character.

00:53:23.120 All right.

00:53:23.500 I had enough of her.

00:53:24.320 We get, we get the gist.

00:53:25.680 I am a mother.

00:53:26.420 I am a sister.

00:53:27.300 It is the end.

00:53:28.380 I'm a mother.

00:53:28.860 I'm a sister.

00:53:29.360 And you matter.

00:53:29.960 Yeah.

00:53:30.180 That's where we went.

00:53:31.260 They do it every time.

00:53:32.460 They parade out the celebrities.

00:53:34.400 I mean, from Taylor Swift to Beyonce, to Oprah, to J-Lo, to Usher, to Bruce Springsteen.

00:53:42.520 That's why she got people at her rallies.

00:53:44.080 By the way, Joe Scarborough all this morning said, never tell me that the rally size matters

00:53:47.340 again.

00:53:47.680 By the way, we knew it didn't matter.

00:53:49.200 Who went to Mitt Romney's rallies?

00:53:50.500 I mean, they were enormous.

00:53:51.840 Would never tell me that they mattered.

00:53:53.300 The reason her rallies were big is because Beyonce was there.

00:53:56.640 But she didn't perform.

00:53:57.800 No.

00:53:58.100 If she performed, that might have made the difference.

00:53:59.360 But I mean, the rallies with just Kamala Harris were not big.

00:54:03.040 And the celeb factor, it doesn't help.

00:54:06.040 And I would argue, hurts.

00:54:07.520 I think that watching that J-Lo thing, the first time in my life I've sympathized with

00:54:12.260 Ben Affleck, which is pretty good.

00:54:13.720 Oh, gosh.

00:54:14.500 But the other thing that was interesting about that is she came out in support of Ronald

00:54:18.420 Reagan.

00:54:18.800 Yeah, no kidding.

00:54:19.500 Did you see that?

00:54:20.120 Yeah.

00:54:20.680 J-Lo?

00:54:21.300 Yes.

00:54:21.860 Who was the president when she was growing up?

00:54:22.900 Who was the president when the 55-year-old J-Lo was growing up?

00:54:26.360 She said, when I was growing up, our president cared about us.

00:54:29.320 Thank you, Ronald Reagan.

00:54:31.060 Oprah Winfrey, by the way, when Donald Trump was asked when he was running or flirting

00:54:36.340 with running with the Reform Party, he was asked, who would your vice presidential pick

00:54:40.300 be?

00:54:40.500 And he said, Oprah Winfrey.

00:54:41.520 It's a bit of a stab in the back from them.

00:54:43.060 And she sent him a note.

00:54:44.680 Then or now?

00:54:45.460 Then, at the time.

00:54:46.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:54:46.960 He sent a note about this.

00:54:47.480 Very friendly, cozy.

00:54:48.660 And now, I mean, if there's no election, this ridiculousness that there's going to be no

00:54:53.760 election, four years from now, I want them all to account for this, because no one ever

00:54:58.380 has to account for anything in political prognostication that's wrong.

00:55:01.960 We need to bring these people forward who said there's going to be no.

00:55:04.120 I mean, her and Stedman, is that his name?

00:55:06.160 Yeah.

00:55:06.420 Stedman.

00:55:06.940 Stedfast?

00:55:07.360 Yeah.

00:55:07.820 They'll be on the moon.

00:55:09.060 She's a billionaire.

00:55:10.020 She doesn't worry about voting.

00:55:11.380 She can literally take a rocket to a different planet.

00:55:13.520 And we have to sit there and be like, oh, my God, she understands us.

00:55:16.300 But the one thing I will say, final thing about the celebrity stuff, what is the realignment?

00:55:20.680 What are we talking about here?

00:55:22.200 We're talking about working class voters.

00:55:23.880 What really resonates with working class voters?

00:55:26.640 Billionaires like Taylor Swift.

00:55:28.420 Billionaires like Oprah Winfrey.

00:55:30.780 Multi, multi, multimillionaires like J-Lo.

00:55:33.020 They understand our issues.

00:55:34.580 It's like, screw you.

00:55:35.960 You have private jets.

00:55:37.040 Yes.

00:55:37.340 I'm waiting to get on a spirit flight.

00:55:38.940 Okay?

00:55:39.300 And I got stabbed, too, during that week.

00:55:42.700 And they're like, oh, yeah, I'm getting off my jet to come to this rally and then leaving again.

00:55:47.260 It doesn't resonate, not because they don't like them, not because they don't think they're talented, but they don't think they have anything to say about their own lives.

00:55:53.380 This is the Cardi B speech where she, one, the telecomer is not working.

00:55:57.140 She has to read it off of the phone.

00:55:58.400 So dumb.

00:55:58.680 And then at some point, she's like, yeah, I mean, the prices are too high, even for me.

00:56:03.000 Seriously?

00:56:03.800 Are you kidding?

00:56:04.580 Yeah.

00:56:05.240 Even for me.

00:56:06.180 The prices at the grocery store.

00:56:07.460 She promised me.

00:56:08.340 To my face, she's going to stop the gouging.

00:56:10.240 This is incredible.

00:56:11.100 But I think we talked about this on your show when we were here shortly after the RNC, like the cultural firepower that conservatives actually have at their disposal now.

00:56:20.780 Like the fact that you can appeal to a Dana White, to a Joe Rogan, even to an Elon Musk at this point.

00:56:26.180 Like they actually have power where it matters at the moment on YouTube, like on the various podcasts.

00:56:32.120 TikTok.

00:56:32.260 Like it's the happy dad guys.

00:56:35.600 All of this stuff.

00:56:36.640 All of this stuff has actually resonated with people.

00:56:39.400 I have to believe that the Joe Rogan endorsement and certainly the Joe Rogan interview, it's something that you actually hear people referring to regularly.

00:56:46.440 Trump crushed it.

00:56:46.820 He was so entertaining.

00:56:47.620 Like Trump being there for three hours.

00:56:48.600 And was he exceptional for the entire time?

00:56:51.360 No.

00:56:51.860 But could Kamala Harris do it?

00:56:53.860 Don't think so.

00:56:55.220 And that actually matters a lot.

00:56:56.140 I listened to that whole Joe Rogan episode.

00:56:57.600 And I have to say, I thought Trump crushed it.

00:56:59.660 He was so interesting.

00:57:00.720 Joe Rogan was taking him all different places that I'm sure he did not give a heads up on.

00:57:04.520 Yeah.

00:57:04.800 And even if he had, Trump would not.

00:57:06.560 No, but that's a real thing.

00:57:08.300 And by the way, it's one of the reasons I'm in the world.

00:57:09.540 He's like the whales.

00:57:10.540 I was like, what the hell?

00:57:11.440 But Trump knew his stuff.

00:57:12.800 He knew his stuff.

00:57:13.340 Trust me, as somebody who goes to the Jersey Shore every summer, these windmills are a menace.

00:57:18.200 We're all working against them.

00:57:19.760 They're coming to basically up and down the Jersey Shoreline, which is one of the most beautiful coastlines in America.

00:57:24.540 And they already killed them down in Cape May because they got very active down there.

00:57:28.400 But they're still bringing a bunch of them.

00:57:30.320 So it's an issue that we've been studying up on.

00:57:32.160 Then they are killing the whales.

00:57:33.320 And Schellenberger did this whole documentary that talks in large part about it.

00:57:36.900 I don't know how Trump knew about it or studied it, but he was able to go in depth on it without any direction they were going there.

00:57:42.960 Which you actually need to be able to do on Rogan.

00:57:43.680 I mean, that's the kind of stuff you have to be able to do.

00:57:45.400 I think was her fear.

00:57:46.700 And Rogan actually said, we invited her and we want her on.

00:57:50.600 And I'm going to take it easy on her.

00:57:51.940 I just want to have a conversation with her.

00:57:53.000 I want to get to know her as a person.

00:57:53.980 I don't think that was a setup.

00:57:55.420 That's just his style.

00:57:57.120 He's not somebody who's combative.

00:57:58.700 And people said, oh, like you expect people to come to you.

00:58:00.980 Imagine if you did one interview in the history of your very, very long podcast that is traveling to somebody else.

00:58:07.180 Go see him.

00:58:08.180 Go do it.

00:58:08.760 You can't do it because you just don't have the personality for it.

00:58:11.560 I'm sorry to say.

00:58:12.540 She couldn't.

00:58:13.020 She spent time with a sex podcaster instead.

00:58:15.400 Oh, the call the ambulance or whatever it's called.

00:58:18.660 A woman who was talking about how to use dildos a week earlier.

00:58:22.660 I mean, don't stop insulting her.

00:58:24.520 That sounds like a great show.

00:58:26.500 We're different on this issue.

00:58:28.920 By the way, the day that Trump, I thought he was like a real person, was on Theo Vaughn's show when Theo Vaughn was talking about doing drugs.

00:58:38.640 And he started interviewing him.

00:58:41.920 And he's like, this is some pretty bad stuff.

00:58:44.240 This is bad stuff.

00:58:45.540 And Theo's like, yeah, man.

00:58:46.820 It's like, what is happening?

00:58:49.500 And I was like, this is great.

00:58:50.540 She can't do that.

00:58:51.440 You need to be able to do that.

00:58:52.440 Sorry to say.

00:58:53.200 All right.

00:58:53.360 Let's talk about what's going to happen now because another thing I heard over on MSNBC this morning was we are not like them.

00:59:01.360 We are going to accept the results here.

00:59:03.500 Hello, you were beaten in a landslide.

00:59:04.960 If this were tight, there is no way they'd be going quietly in the night.

00:59:09.240 The only way that would force them to do it is that it's a landslide.

00:59:11.980 I mean, Trump crushed them in every.

00:59:12.960 And we are still awaiting the results in the House.

00:59:15.580 That could take weeks because California cannot count.

00:59:18.440 And we don't know how the House is going to land.

00:59:20.300 But their New York Times latest is giving them a 57 percent chance, the Republicans, of holding it.

00:59:25.540 Officially now they just called Michigan FYI.

00:59:27.560 But that was already understood to be in the Trump tally.

00:59:31.060 So now he's got 292 electoral votes.

00:59:34.300 It's going to keep going.

00:59:36.960 So what was I saying?

00:59:40.420 I'm getting tired.

00:59:42.340 I don't think she has the mental capacity to go on.

00:59:45.620 We have to replace somebody.

00:59:47.160 Some just some random person who's unpopular.

00:59:50.000 They will not accept that.

00:59:53.380 They wouldn't have accepted this vote if it had been tight at all.

00:59:56.080 But now they're saying we will accept.

00:59:57.980 But you tell me what will be the strategy going forward?

01:00:00.420 Because I don't think this we're going to come around on trans issues and we're going to come around on the border.

01:00:06.380 And we're going to, as Chris Matthews is talking about, come around on inflation and get more.

01:00:10.040 I don't see any of that happening.

01:00:11.960 You don't think so?

01:00:12.600 No, because here's what's going to happen.

01:00:14.320 Trump's going to get sworn in if they don't stop him with some sort of lawfare or last minute effort to declare him an insurrectionist and get faithless electors.

01:00:21.480 He will eventually be sworn in.

01:00:23.240 And Elon's going to start doing his thing.

01:00:25.100 And RFKJ, who scares the shit out of them, is going to start doing his thing.

01:00:28.120 And they're going to.

01:00:29.080 I told you you were wrong.

01:00:30.000 All of us.

01:00:30.440 No, not me.

01:00:31.400 You're so right.

01:00:33.020 I think there's some issues.

01:00:33.940 I'm not going to lie.

01:00:34.460 There's some issues.

01:00:35.560 I killed a bear this morning.

01:00:37.080 I predicted that Trump is going to curb him.

01:00:38.900 I think he's going to curb.

01:00:39.860 You think?

01:00:40.340 Yeah, I think he's going to curb RFK Jr.

01:00:42.240 I don't agree with that.

01:00:43.480 Don't you think?

01:00:44.100 Look, let me ask you, you who don't like RFKJ.

01:00:46.440 Yeah.

01:00:46.780 You saw Dope Sick.

01:00:47.500 You know what the FDA does with the people who are supposed to be serving us in the FDA

01:00:51.240 and they rubber stamp these terrible drugs and they don't warn us properly.

01:00:54.120 And then everybody is addicted to opioids and dying.

01:00:56.440 Same thing with the food.

01:00:57.380 They don't give two shits what kind of poisons are going into our food because they all want

01:01:00.660 jobs with the food companies or with the drug companies as soon as they leave the FDA

01:01:04.140 because they all want a pool in their backyard for the summer.

01:01:06.960 That's exactly the kind of thing I think he's going to say.

01:01:08.640 I'd be happy to see the FDA dismantled.

01:01:12.220 He's with you.

01:01:12.960 You are a fan.

01:01:13.700 But the person doing the dismantling, I don't necessarily want it to be RFK because he's

01:01:19.820 going to replace it with something else.

01:01:21.500 Is it the brain worm?

01:01:22.320 It's not just the brain worm.

01:01:24.000 It's his chain of logic.

01:01:25.960 There's always a thing of crazy right in the middle of it.

01:01:30.220 There's a connective tissue.

01:01:31.320 It doesn't drive you to a middle?

01:01:32.520 No, I don't.

01:01:33.840 I want there to be some kind of connection.

01:01:35.980 I don't want to replace a bureaucratic regime with an RFK regime.

01:01:40.920 I want there to be no regime.

01:01:42.860 I don't think that he's going to go there.

01:01:44.920 I love the Maha line.

01:01:46.540 I mean, I like Maha when he's just like, yeah, people need sunshine.

01:01:49.080 They should take hikes.

01:01:50.060 But I don't think Trump wants to have a battle, a national battle about removing fluoride

01:01:55.260 from the water.

01:01:56.040 I don't know that he really wants to do that.

01:01:57.320 Do your homework, Camille.

01:01:58.900 Fluoride is toxic.

01:01:59.920 By the way, the thing about that FDA fluoride study is it doesn't really matter what's true

01:02:05.280 or what's false, but it's just a weird thing to start with.

01:02:07.840 Because in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s, if you were a tinfoil hat person before there was

01:02:12.500 any studies on this at all, you talked about fluoride.

01:02:14.980 That was always the joke is the fluoride in the water.

01:02:17.340 The fact that he came out with that is just like bad politics.

01:02:19.920 Maybe do that in the back end.

01:02:21.360 Agreed.

01:02:21.900 Probably not.

01:02:22.580 But yeah, I mean, I think that...

01:02:24.680 Did you watch any of that hearing, the Maha hearing?

01:02:27.180 I mean, I've been getting into this lately over the past couple of years.

01:02:29.300 Oh, no.

01:02:30.020 But the...

01:02:30.780 All right, Mr. Woofoo Atlantic writer.

01:02:33.200 I have not followed this closely.

01:02:34.400 That's why you sound the way you do.

01:02:36.000 Because trust me when I tell you that there are actual things that really need reform,

01:02:39.900 including the amount of pesticides that our food is being treated with.

01:02:43.220 Totally unnecessarily.

01:02:44.280 The different standards between the United States and Europe when it comes to...

01:02:47.520 I actually don't doubt that.

01:02:47.900 Something as simple as Froot Loops, where we have 10 different chemical additives in ours

01:02:52.600 just to make them extra red or extra blue.

01:02:55.000 My wife is urgently concerned about a lot of these same issues.

01:02:57.280 I just think you actually need someone who has a tremendous amount of sophistication.

01:03:00.900 That is our FKJ.

01:03:01.940 And some real grounding in these issues.

01:03:03.940 That's him, you guys.

01:03:04.880 He spent his entire life fighting these issues as a lawyer.

01:03:07.920 You don't need an MD to get an expertise in this area.

01:03:09.980 I'll accept that as well.

01:03:10.880 I don't think he needs to be a total expert.

01:03:12.200 I picked up his Fauci book and realized that about halfway through it,

01:03:16.220 that I was reading the entire thing was about how HIV didn't cause AIDS.

01:03:20.240 That he's big on that thing, too.

01:03:21.620 There's some...

01:03:22.320 And the thing is...

01:03:23.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:03:25.400 I'm not going to make that joke.

01:03:27.860 His cousin didn't do the murder?

01:03:29.280 Yes.

01:03:30.000 Oh, yeah.

01:03:30.600 Michael Skakel.

01:03:31.080 The cousin did the murder.

01:03:32.300 Cousin did the murder, too.

01:03:33.160 The cousin did the murder.

01:03:34.180 Michael Skakel.

01:03:35.180 Totally did the murder.

01:03:36.080 Guilty.

01:03:36.540 Yeah.

01:03:36.820 Right?

01:03:37.140 How can you support this man?

01:03:38.520 You're supporting a murder apologist.

01:03:40.260 He killed Martha Moxley back in 1971.

01:03:42.440 With a golf club, if I remember.

01:03:44.140 The night before Halloween.

01:03:44.620 Yeah.

01:03:44.760 Yes, exactly right.

01:03:45.700 And by the way, the cousin...

01:03:46.940 You love this stuff, don't you?

01:03:47.600 The cousin...

01:03:48.300 I do.

01:03:48.680 I love true crime.

01:03:49.420 The cousin, just in case you have any doubt,

01:03:50.880 was caught jerking off in a tree looking at her.

01:03:53.140 I mean, guilty.

01:03:54.000 What?

01:03:54.400 Yeah.

01:03:54.780 He did?

01:03:55.260 Yeah, before she was dead.

01:03:56.420 In the tree?

01:03:57.200 Yeah.

01:03:57.560 How do you jerk off a tree?

01:04:00.020 That's what he's concerned about.

01:04:01.560 I'm sorry.

01:04:02.060 This is Trump's America.

01:04:03.260 We can talk about this now.

01:04:04.900 He must have had a platform of something.

01:04:06.940 Maybe I...

01:04:07.700 You know what?

01:04:08.200 The sex podcast girl, she's a serious sexist.

01:04:10.540 I can get you booked on the show.

01:04:11.580 You guys can talk about this.

01:04:12.840 The material you had to use back then was different.

01:04:17.040 It was?

01:04:18.140 In a tree looking down at somebody in a driveway.

01:04:20.740 Anyway, I guess that's normal.

01:04:22.740 I don't know.

01:04:23.480 I'm sweating because I'm so hungover, by the way.

01:04:25.600 I just want everyone to know how bad I'm sweating.

01:04:27.180 I've got to ask something else.

01:04:28.840 In the same way the celebrities fell flat and have no influence,

01:04:31.520 and they're going to wrestle with that today,

01:04:33.220 Oprah's going to talk to Deepak Chopra about it.

01:04:36.180 The Obamas.

01:04:37.460 Oh, man.

01:04:38.060 Oh, yeah.

01:04:38.640 Oh, man.

01:04:39.280 How about that?

01:04:40.640 They're going to blame her entirely.

01:04:42.960 And they should.

01:04:44.340 Yeah, because she has no charisma.

01:04:46.740 She has no riz.

01:04:47.400 And, I mean, that was the overheard remark that Obama was talking with Biden, right?

01:04:52.400 Biden, yeah, the lip reading.

01:04:53.560 The lip reading.

01:04:54.360 So, I mean, they tried to incept joy at the DNC.

01:04:57.580 They tried to say if we just pretend that we're all experiencing this joy

01:05:01.240 and then let's otherwise not have her do any interviews or expose herself at all,

01:05:06.560 we can somehow fool enough people that it'll work on election day.

01:05:10.140 She was a bad candidate.

01:05:10.980 But his contributions weren't particularly great either.

01:05:13.480 I mean, he's the guy who goes out and, hey, black men, you've got to stop hating women.

01:05:16.900 What are you doing?

01:05:18.300 You weren't moved by that at all.

01:05:19.580 Why do you people imagine that shame is going to work?

01:05:21.200 Shame is a really bad strategy.

01:05:23.260 Yeah.

01:05:23.920 Well, I love one woman.

01:05:25.260 I can only love one.

01:05:26.360 You hate the rest of them.

01:05:27.180 Exactly.

01:05:27.580 Exactly.

01:05:28.180 Obama was right.

01:05:29.020 I'm so lovesick.

01:05:31.400 You just can't use shame as a strategy.

01:05:33.160 And you can't use it in that way.

01:05:34.680 I mean, he did it.

01:05:36.040 Michelle Obama did exactly the same thing.

01:05:38.300 They were not actually meaningfully doing good work from an advocacy standpoint.

01:05:43.540 They were also promulgating the exact same lies that we've heard over and over again about like dictator on day one, about very fine people.

01:05:51.220 Like that's what you're carting Barack Obama out here to do for you.

01:05:54.280 And Obama could have the there was that terrible month between Biden's debate performance.

01:05:59.400 And it should have actually happened long before that debate performance.

01:06:02.540 But and I said at the time that there's one person in America who I think had the normal kind of clout authority and ear to tell Biden, like, do back off.

01:06:12.020 You got it.

01:06:12.580 This isn't working.

01:06:13.480 And that was Barack Obama.

01:06:14.760 He should have done that certainly the day after the debate instead of tweeting out as he did, like, you know, Joe Biden might have some struggles with a word now and then, but he's still great.

01:06:24.040 And everybody has a bad night.

01:06:25.380 Everyone has a bad night.

01:06:26.240 He should have been doing that within 24 hours, but he should have done that six months ago.

01:06:31.580 What else did he not do within 24 hours?

01:06:33.620 He didn't endorse her.

01:06:35.180 It took him longest.

01:06:36.280 It was a very long thought.

01:06:38.100 I'm sure he did.

01:06:39.200 And, you know, it's weird because everyone has to learn a lot of lessons in the Democratic Party from this election because you're right.

01:06:45.780 Pointing out some of these, you know, the black men stuff, which I thought was actually weirdly odd for Obama.

01:06:51.140 It was Obama was never a guy.

01:06:52.920 I mean, regardless of policy, the man understands politics.

01:06:56.300 He's very, very good at it.

01:06:58.180 He won two elections and they were not even close when he was talking.

01:07:02.520 What was it?

01:07:03.200 A couple of years ago.

01:07:03.840 He's done it multiple times.

01:07:04.840 Yes.

01:07:05.280 About like wokeness.

01:07:06.540 Yes.

01:07:06.860 And he's like, this is thumbs.

01:07:08.500 Yeah.

01:07:08.680 And he's like, guys, this is too much.

01:07:10.080 You can't cancel people for having different opinions.

01:07:12.520 He's kind of has that ecumenical, broad minded and then slips into this is what we have to do as Democrats.

01:07:18.340 Maybe that thing they slip into in the future is going to be different because I know that Obama is not really married to that kind of ideology.

01:07:24.180 He's just not that kind of person.

01:07:25.760 And I don't love him as a political guy, but I think he's a very, very smart political mind.

01:07:30.600 Well, but for Barack Obama, the only thing we'd be talking about today is how America is racist.

01:07:35.140 And that's the reason Kamala Harris lost.

01:07:37.040 If he hadn't won that race, if he hadn't won twice in this country, that is the only thing we'd be talking about.

01:07:41.280 They'll find a way, though, because she's got the double combo.

01:07:43.700 Yeah.

01:07:43.960 I guess the racist Latinos.

01:07:45.360 Even though she's acting not black.

01:07:47.220 They should really only be playing the one.

01:07:48.400 Maybe that's why they're mad.

01:07:49.660 All right.

01:07:50.360 You guys, thank you.

01:07:51.580 Thank you so much.

01:07:52.480 Awesome to have you here.

01:07:53.640 All right.

01:07:53.820 Coming up, the crew that was with me at three in the morning until three in the morning last night.

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01:10:03.620 rejoin me now after a long, long night on the air.

01:10:07.240 How's everybody feeling?

01:10:08.500 Much better.

01:10:09.360 Oh, yeah.

01:10:09.540 Your voice is better.

01:10:10.140 My voice came back.

01:10:11.120 What do you think it was?

01:10:12.100 It was Trump.

01:10:13.220 I mean, my God.

01:10:14.340 The stress is like gone.

01:10:16.280 It's flushed out.

01:10:17.520 The first of the many gifts he's going to give you, Maureen.

01:10:20.300 All right.

01:10:20.880 So now with a full like six hours to think about it, how are we seeing the consequential

01:10:26.980 monumental news of last night?

01:10:28.880 Well, I think it puts 2016 in different perspectives.

01:10:31.820 So people like me would occasionally say kind of a fluky victory and draws an inside straight.

01:10:38.060 You look in 2020, you can't replicate it because it's such a narrow path.

01:10:41.140 So this isn't really a good coalition for the party.

01:10:43.340 This is too hard.

01:10:44.580 And last night he widened the path.

01:10:46.560 He broadened the coalition and did it again.

01:10:48.380 He replicated it.

01:10:49.200 So it makes 2020 look more like the exception.

01:10:52.520 And obviously we have a once in a lifetime pandemic that played a big role.

01:10:56.060 It probably would have won in 2020.

01:10:57.900 So it validates for now Trump's kind of politics and what he's tried to do.

01:11:04.380 What do you think?

01:11:05.520 To some extent, I also just think it's a referendum on the Democrats and her as a candidate.

01:11:10.860 And Tim Walz is a candidate.

01:11:12.660 They're crazy.

01:11:14.120 Their policies are crazy.

01:11:15.200 People are sick of the administration of which she was a part.

01:11:20.340 They used to call it, you notice, the Biden-Harris administration.

01:11:23.280 Yeah.

01:11:23.480 That was how they would always refer to it.

01:11:25.580 And then they couldn't work out what to do because they sort of had to distance her from it.

01:11:28.820 But also they needed to make her look as if she has experience.

01:11:33.520 And that's, I think, that's killed her.

01:11:35.680 One does wonder whether she, I mean, I don't think Tim Walz killed her chances.

01:11:40.160 I think she killed her chances.

01:11:41.560 And Biden with his policies and with his many cuts in the back while she wasn't looking, which I enjoyed.

01:11:47.580 But I do wonder how she would have fared if she had chosen someone more serious and someone that we could take seriously as her running mate instead of that absolute nimrod jumping around on the stage, moving his arms like he was flailing.

01:12:02.660 Not to mention his radical trans policies and his stolen valor military.

01:12:08.780 I mean, like, he was stopped before he ever got out of the box from really connecting with people.

01:12:14.120 He was outed as a serial fabulist.

01:12:16.680 And then the hits just kept on coming.

01:12:18.360 And that was the one thing she said on the record she did on instinct.

01:12:21.340 Right.

01:12:22.400 Did on instinct.

01:12:23.800 I think that this election is absolutely, I agree with Charles, it's a complete repudiation of the Dems, of these, of their policies.

01:12:34.480 Even people on the inside are now saying that they ran a shit candidate, that the country is done with woke orthodoxy, with trans mania, with open porous borders, that they have to listen, they have to go to ground.

01:12:54.200 Will they?

01:12:54.700 I don't know.

01:12:55.580 But watching the coverage on the left this morning, what's notable to me is it's less hysterical than 2016 or even when it was a close call.

01:13:06.680 Well, have you seen this clip?

01:13:08.440 Let me take you back to 16.

01:13:10.400 This woman became infamous for her reaction to Trump's win.

01:13:13.220 Watch.

01:13:14.480 Donald J. Trump is now president of the United States.

01:13:17.280 What a great honor to be able to introduce for the first time ever anywhere in the first time.

01:13:28.560 I'm sorry.

01:13:29.500 No, no.

01:13:31.020 That's present day.

01:13:31.860 No.

01:13:32.300 No.

01:13:34.140 What?

01:13:34.880 What?

01:13:35.160 What?

01:13:35.840 What?

01:13:37.760 Was that yesterday?

01:13:39.480 Why?

01:13:40.300 Why?

01:13:41.020 Do you really hate me that bad?

01:13:43.660 That's this morning.

01:13:44.880 So I don't know.

01:13:45.480 Wow.

01:13:46.000 I'm not sure.

01:13:46.660 I wasn't on TikTok.

01:13:48.360 My bad.

01:13:49.380 I was just on basic cable.

01:13:51.300 So my bad.

01:13:52.280 But I do think.

01:13:52.960 She's parked, right?

01:13:53.420 She wasn't actually driving.

01:13:54.300 I think so.

01:13:55.220 But she's not wrong, right?

01:13:56.480 If you watch MSNBC this morning and CNN, they're in the resignation piece of grief, you know, like acceptance.

01:14:03.500 Because it was just so big.

01:14:05.520 Like there was just no, no, you don't.

01:14:06.900 Well, no.

01:14:07.480 I think this is how they were last time, actually.

01:14:10.560 I think it's very similar.

01:14:11.640 I mean, I remember watching TV the next morning and they were in resignation phase.

01:14:16.020 And they did sound more thoughtful.

01:14:18.420 And they did even indulge a little bit of self-criticism, which you didn't get last night.

01:14:23.020 But they dropped it within a week.

01:14:24.720 Yeah.

01:14:24.880 Yeah.

01:14:25.060 We were talking earlier.

01:14:26.420 I remember after 2016, you had actually some press outs like, we need to understand these.

01:14:31.180 Who are these working class people?

01:14:33.120 Let's send a reporter to the rural areas or to a diner somewhere and learn more about them.

01:14:38.200 So that lasted for a while.

01:14:40.200 But at the same time, there was a massive freakout on the left.

01:14:43.360 And they took Trump as a permission slip to go insane.

01:14:48.600 And that's ultimately a huge reason why they lost this time.

01:14:52.280 The Trump agenda going forward.

01:14:54.580 Let's talk about it for a minute.

01:14:55.600 There was an interesting tweet from our pal, Mike Davis.

01:14:57.400 He was on the show last night.

01:14:58.340 We talked about him, brilliant lawyer, Article 3 project.

01:15:01.300 And let me see exactly what it said because I don't want to misquote it.

01:15:04.780 He tweeted out, prediction.

01:15:07.780 And keep in mind, we talked about last night, he clerked for Alito.

01:15:10.240 Prediction, Justice Sam Alito is gleefully packing up his chambers.

01:15:14.820 What did I say last night?

01:15:15.600 You did say that.

01:15:17.000 And that would create the room for President Trump to appoint somebody who's joking, some

01:15:22.840 25-year-old fresh out of law school who could stay on the bench forever.

01:15:27.080 I mean, and Clarence Thomas potentially too.

01:15:30.320 I mean, that could be two seats that could be secured for the next 40, 50 years, depending

01:15:35.880 on how young he goes, for conservatives.

01:15:38.400 I mean, that's got to be something you like about Trump.

01:15:40.340 Very much so.

01:15:41.200 And that was the best thing about his first administration.

01:15:44.180 And that is something he has a record on that I actually find unimpeachable.

01:15:50.220 I mean, if you look at the quality of the Supreme Court now, it is higher than it's been for

01:15:54.560 a hundred years.

01:15:55.840 And it's more originalist and faithful and thoughtful than it's been for a hundred years

01:16:00.440 as well.

01:16:01.520 It's an irony, right?

01:16:02.760 I don't need to relitigate all of my criticisms of Trump.

01:16:05.600 But there is that.

01:16:07.240 And then there are the people he put on the bench who are phenomenal adherents of the

01:16:12.040 constitutional order.

01:16:13.000 So yes, this is something I really like about Trump.

01:16:14.980 And not just the Supreme Court, Charlie, but all the courts, all the federal courts.

01:16:19.220 Most litigation doesn't get up to the Supreme Court.

01:16:21.560 So it matters.

01:16:22.280 Yeah.

01:16:22.520 It matters huge.

01:16:23.380 The right is just one.

01:16:24.380 They won the intellectual debate over how to interpret the Constitution.

01:16:27.180 Now, the left doesn't go along with it, but even they have to pay lip service, right?

01:16:30.000 Their originalist too.

01:16:31.340 One that won the political contention because they won the presidency in the Senate and paid

01:16:35.860 a lot of attention to this and grew good constitutionalist judges that they put on the

01:16:39.940 court.

01:16:40.220 And that's one of the reasons why the left, if they had the power, just blow up the court,

01:16:43.420 right?

01:16:43.720 They've lost so thoroughly.

01:16:45.220 By the way, my team corrected me.

01:16:46.460 He clerked for Gorsuch, so I had that wrong.

01:16:49.620 Here, I want to go back to the view because everyone loves view clips.

01:16:52.200 Sunny Hostin today with the following query.

01:16:55.080 Watch SOT 16.

01:16:55.840 What we did not have is white women who voted about 52%, right, for Donald Trump.

01:17:03.460 Uneducated white women is my understanding.

01:17:05.780 You have Latino men actually voting more for him.

01:17:09.560 And you have, and black men was not the story, were not the story here because they voted almost

01:17:14.560 80% for the vice president.

01:17:16.340 So why do you think that uneducated white women voted against their reproductive health

01:17:20.840 freedoms?

01:17:21.220 And why do you think Latino men voted in favor of someone that's going to deport,

01:17:27.020 says he's going to deport the majority of his community?

01:17:29.260 I don't think white women like being called uneducated white women.

01:17:31.640 I think the economy matters, national security matters.

01:17:33.780 That's what the poll said.

01:17:34.200 But when you put people in these boxes, I think that's a takeaway from this, right?

01:17:39.080 Did she focus group that phrase?

01:17:41.120 Can you believe?

01:17:42.060 Uneducated white women?

01:17:42.660 And by that, she means non-college educated women, which in her world means you're uneducated.

01:17:48.260 But you're a dumb ass.

01:17:50.120 I mean, I'm thinking of Charlie Kirk.

01:17:51.940 He did not go to college.

01:17:52.980 He is not dumb.

01:17:54.120 He's responsible in large part for this win today.

01:17:56.320 It's just so offensive.

01:17:57.640 And then she just can't seem to understand why they would vote against their reproductive

01:18:02.720 freedom, Maureen.

01:18:04.200 It's so funny that you said what she really means is non-college educated, because about

01:18:09.840 a minute after that, which I took in a sharp breath when she said that.

01:18:14.620 It was so hateful.

01:18:16.060 She's such a racist.

01:18:17.240 She is such a race baiter.

01:18:19.240 Everything is racialized with her.

01:18:20.980 And it's so unintellectual and dishonest.

01:18:24.100 Anyway, whatever producer was in her ear said, no, no, no, no, say non-college educated.

01:18:29.540 Like that makes it better.

01:18:30.640 We got your point the first time.

01:18:32.020 Yeah.

01:18:32.260 Too late.

01:18:32.820 You already lifted the dress up.

01:18:33.840 Yeah.

01:18:34.080 We saw your real feelings.

01:18:35.100 And then also, she assumes most Latinos are illegals and are subject to deportation.

01:18:39.060 I think it's Latino.

01:18:40.180 Oh, yeah.

01:18:40.460 Sorry.

01:18:40.860 Sorry.

01:18:41.360 Go ahead.

01:18:41.580 But most of them are here legally and came here for the right reasons.

01:18:46.220 And if you talk to any of them, they deeply resent people who are coming over and just

01:18:50.900 jumping the line.

01:18:52.860 And there are a lot of pro-life women.

01:18:54.700 Yeah.

01:18:55.220 I mean, look, I get that she isn't.

01:18:56.640 That's fine.

01:18:57.400 It's a free country.

01:18:58.280 But it's such a narcissistic, myopic way of looking at the question.

01:19:04.100 Like she can only see it from her perspective.

01:19:06.200 So women must be voting against their own interests rather than what they think are their

01:19:09.880 own interests.

01:19:10.560 Yeah.

01:19:11.080 And the uneducated thing, I mean, this is the thing I've written about a lot.

01:19:14.200 We have a problem in America.

01:19:16.000 It's less acute, thankfully, than it is in Europe.

01:19:18.920 But we're getting there where we confuse education and credentials.

01:19:24.140 Credentials and education are not the same thing.

01:19:26.000 They do this when they talk about misinformation as well.

01:19:29.160 They pretend that if you haven't been to college, you're more susceptible to misinformation.

01:19:33.700 It's just not true.

01:19:35.100 The whole woke agenda, especially with the trans stuff that you care so much about, that

01:19:40.020 is actually the preserve of people who've been to good colleges.

01:19:44.400 You almost have to have been to a good college to believe that nonsense.

01:19:47.940 It's like the Orwell line about that's an idea so stupid only an intellectual could believe

01:19:51.480 it.

01:19:51.660 But it's people who are uneducated who understand that it's trash.

01:19:57.320 So what she's saying there is not just sort of condescending.

01:20:00.320 It's also very selective in that half of the bad ideas in the world are believed by the

01:20:05.660 people she's lionizing.

01:20:06.600 Jen Psaki had similar comments about abortion and what she just cannot understand why it

01:20:13.360 wasn't it didn't rule the day.

01:20:14.540 Watch.

01:20:15.820 And for so many of you watching right now, that news is, to say the least, a lot to digest.

01:20:23.200 I understand that personally.

01:20:25.260 She's calling president-elect.

01:20:25.760 After he lost four years ago, he refused to accept the outcome and incited a violent insurrection

01:20:30.440 on our nation's capital.

01:20:32.000 This is the framing.

01:20:32.640 He's campaigned while facing criminal indictments related to his efforts to overturn the 2020

01:20:36.880 results.

01:20:37.880 And he's run as a convicted felon.

01:20:41.240 During this campaign, he has also promised to essentially be an authoritarian leader, to

01:20:46.600 use power like no American president ever has before.

01:20:50.360 And wield that power to go after his political enemies.

01:20:55.040 This is a man who's also bragged about overturning Roe v. Wade and stripping away women's bodily

01:21:00.040 autonomy.

01:21:01.020 He's promised to conduct mass deportations, to crack down on the rights of millions of Americans.

01:21:06.360 Donald Trump is an anti-democratic force, but he's just been elected democratically in

01:21:13.000 our country.

01:21:13.920 Donald Trump was elected by expanding his support over a number of key groups.

01:21:18.720 There will be a lot of time spent on how and why he won and what this will mean for the

01:21:23.940 country over the next four years and beyond.

01:21:26.360 I wish I had better news for my daughter later this morning.

01:21:29.940 I know Tim Miller and I were talking about this earlier when she and so many others wake

01:21:34.320 up to this news.

01:21:35.320 I wish I could have called her and told her that the first woman president had just been

01:21:40.120 elected.

01:21:40.860 I wish that.

01:21:41.720 I won't be able to do that.

01:21:43.380 But what I can do, what I can tell my daughter and what I will tell my daughter is that our

01:21:48.460 roles as American citizens have never been more important than they are right now.

01:21:52.720 Oh, her poor daughter.

01:21:54.680 Poor Dora's daughter.

01:21:56.940 The fact that she did that over music, like the celebratory, we've got a call to make.

01:22:04.680 Fascist dictator, multiple prosecutions, convicted, felon, blah, blah, blah.

01:22:09.180 Um, that I, my own takeaway is the women were well aware that there was messaging on abortion

01:22:15.660 that post Dobbs.

01:22:17.580 They're in a different position on abortion than they were pre Dobbs and they do not blame

01:22:21.460 Donald Trump for it.

01:22:22.500 And they do not think he's going to do anything to erode that right.

01:22:26.700 If it's important to them, when he gets into office, the women got it right.

01:22:30.680 But they ultimately understood he's not, he said repeatedly that he's not going to try

01:22:37.400 to do a ban.

01:22:38.400 You said this last night, the wee hours of the morning, Rich, imagine now with the Republicans

01:22:43.140 so far at 52 seats in the Senate, and it could very well go up.

01:22:45.900 We're waiting on the last few calls, but even if it doesn't, they have control.

01:22:49.340 That's it.

01:22:50.240 If they turned around and use the exact same rhetoric on the Democrats that they've been

01:22:53.640 using, I believe in getting rid of the filibuster on abortion.

01:22:57.800 She just said it like within the past seven days, let's get rid of the filibuster on abortion.

01:23:03.980 We're going to pass a nationwide abortion ban and Trump's going to sign it.

01:23:07.480 None of that's going to happen.

01:23:08.360 Right.

01:23:08.720 But can you imagine the freak out?

01:23:10.360 Of course.

01:23:10.700 And this is something the media missed about Trump's campaign all along.

01:23:14.200 In many ways, he was the moderate candidate.

01:23:16.520 Now it's mass by the way he talks and acts and things he says at the rally, but on abortion,

01:23:21.600 what's the moderate position that we should have it all the way through nine months and make

01:23:24.780 Catholic hospitals do it, her position, or his position, let the states decide.

01:23:28.860 And actually, I think some of the states have gone too far.

01:23:30.720 Obviously, his is more moderate.

01:23:32.520 On trans, who has the more moderate position, right?

01:23:35.400 He just opposes this stuff the way 70% of the country does.

01:23:39.120 Even on immigration, you wouldn't say mass deportations as a moderate position, but the

01:23:44.660 public Senate's move so right on that in reaction to what's happened.

01:23:48.120 They think that's more reasonable than just letting in millions of people unchecked because

01:23:54.180 you've let this flood happen at the southern border.

01:23:56.640 The other thing is, you know, can we just spend like a minute on the tariffs?

01:24:00.660 I know that you guys are not pro-tariff.

01:24:02.780 I mean, the old Republican Party or pre-Trump Republican Party was much more of a free trade

01:24:08.800 Republican Party.

01:24:10.160 And he's been very pro-tariff and it did place tariffs in place, which Joe Biden left in place

01:24:14.660 on China, but that whether you like it or don't like it, I do think it was very appealing

01:24:20.400 to the working class who who hear it as he's out there with his sword saying, I'm going

01:24:25.960 to fight for you.

01:24:26.680 These companies that want to move south of the border, make all their goods, send them

01:24:29.980 in here, costing you jobs.

01:24:31.540 I will fight them.

01:24:32.500 I'm going to make it too painful for them to do any of that.

01:24:35.080 I'm going to use it as a weapon against China, who's hurt the United States on these free

01:24:39.320 global trade policies.

01:24:40.500 I think the working class guys got that and at least what they heard was he he cares.

01:24:47.060 This is more than first time homebuyers are going to get a twenty five thousand dollar

01:24:51.280 down payment and just these little pinpoint prick policies she tried to run on.

01:24:57.380 Absolutely.

01:24:58.500 That that homebuyer thing, which as many economists pointed out, was a nonstarter because all it

01:25:05.420 would do was inflate the price of houses.

01:25:07.820 Everyone knows that.

01:25:08.600 Except for Kamala, apparently, or I'm going to make it easier for black men to like sell

01:25:16.600 weed, just get Bitcoin.

01:25:18.680 And there's this constant sort of infantilization of men, especially, which is another thing

01:25:25.560 that the left has a huge problem with.

01:25:27.720 They were not mentioning that in their come to Jesus moment on MS this morning.

01:25:31.380 Oh, really?

01:25:32.020 I don't think they get what they've done to men.

01:25:34.360 Really?

01:25:35.060 Oh, that's fascinating.

01:25:36.600 Did you get up in time to see Morning Joe?

01:25:38.080 No, I slept through it.

01:25:39.300 But you can listen to the podcast on Sirius XM.

01:25:41.400 So sometimes I do that for fun.

01:25:43.660 And to me, it was just amazing because the gaslighting that Scarborough has been doing

01:25:47.560 continued.

01:25:48.580 We talked about it in the first hour, Rich, where much in the same way he was like, what

01:25:52.280 Joe Biden who?

01:25:53.100 Once he decided the switcheroo was happening, he was like, I've been trying to warn everybody

01:25:57.180 about these radical leftist policies for years at dinner.

01:26:00.240 You know, the kids say can't say anything.

01:26:02.000 They're going to get canceled.

01:26:02.720 And by the way, the young people, the young people turned out in droves, not a majority

01:26:07.940 for Trump, but kept it tight enough with that group that it put them over the top.

01:26:12.080 And the Gen Xers are people, not you.

01:26:14.720 You're a millennial, are the ones that's the one age group that really voted in the majority

01:26:19.560 for Trump.

01:26:20.140 And I must submit for the record, that is because we grew up in the eighties when our

01:26:24.820 parents didn't care about us and we had to raise ourselves and we are sick and tired

01:26:30.120 of this nonsense, helicopter, bullshit, cupcake, snowflake life that we're shoving on kids

01:26:36.480 and each other.

01:26:37.840 We don't believe in safe spaces.

01:26:39.400 Here's your slim bike.

01:26:40.500 You know, have at it.

01:26:41.100 That's it.

01:26:41.680 Yeah.

01:26:42.340 Banana seat.

01:26:43.380 Absolutely.

01:26:44.500 Rainbow.

01:26:45.320 Yeah.

01:26:45.500 Um, so I don't think it's any accident that Gen X put him over the top.

01:26:49.700 And so now what?

01:26:50.580 Right.

01:26:50.840 I mean, do you actually think that there will be a challenge to Trump taking office once

01:26:56.400 to your point that they spoke like this in 16 after he won, but then we all know what

01:27:00.340 happened.

01:27:00.740 They were ready to impeach him on day one.

01:27:02.720 They didn't actually try to stop him from taking office, but this time there's been talk

01:27:05.560 about that.

01:27:06.860 Well, they should be if they believe what they say about him.

01:27:09.500 If you really think that that was the last election we're ever going to have, if Trump

01:27:16.220 takes office, then they should try and stop it.

01:27:19.960 I don't think they will, because first of all, I don't think they believe that.

01:27:23.760 And second, I think even they are aware that it would be a little on the nose to do what

01:27:29.000 they've been complaining about for four years.

01:27:31.780 And if the House has gone to the Republicans, which now it looks as if it will, then there

01:27:36.560 won't be an impeachment, at least not until after the midterms.

01:27:40.140 What you are going to get, as I said last night, is a concerted attempt to make the case

01:27:48.020 that this was the product of misinformation and lies and that the public was tricked.

01:27:55.160 Because you just can't, over a sustained period of time, say the public is awful.

01:28:00.080 I know they'll do it on MSNBC, but as a Democratic Party writ large, you can't say 51% of the

01:28:06.060 country is wrong.

01:28:07.380 It's just not electorally viable.

01:28:09.200 So you have to say that 51% of the country was lied to.

01:28:14.320 And then that's going to be Elon Musk.

01:28:16.200 It's going to be social media.

01:28:18.040 It's going to be dastard billionaires, us.

01:28:21.720 I think that's what's going to happen.

01:28:23.580 I think that's what you're going to see more than an attempt to stop him taking office.

01:28:27.120 Two things that's just in.

01:28:29.440 Vice President Kamala Harris called President-elect Trump, quote, to congratulate him on winning

01:28:33.980 the 2024 presidential election per a senior Harris aide.

01:28:38.240 She discussed the importance of a peaceful transfer of power and being a president for

01:28:42.480 all Americans, said the aide.

01:28:44.700 So good.

01:28:45.480 She's conceded.

01:28:46.640 And she's supposed to actually concede publicly later today.

01:28:49.900 I think they said it.

01:28:50.580 Four.

01:28:51.600 Secondly, I mean, think of the number of hours we've all devoted to covering the law fair

01:28:56.040 against Trump.

01:28:57.120 And I'd love to get into what role that had in tonight's result or last night's result.

01:29:01.340 But I'll give you the news headline first.

01:29:03.920 Kendall Laney of NBC, new DOJ officials are evaluating how to wind down the two federal

01:29:10.200 criminal cases against Trump before he takes office to comply with longstanding department

01:29:14.220 policy that a sitting president can't be prosecuted.

01:29:17.480 That'd be good.

01:29:18.440 Wait, can we just just think about that?

01:29:21.900 I mean, it's just remarkable.

01:29:25.500 Look what they did.

01:29:26.580 I mean, they, they, they had it, you mean they had it going during the election and

01:29:30.500 then immediately stopped when it didn't work?

01:29:32.260 Just the, the audacity of what they did to him, the banana Republic shit, you know, going

01:29:39.640 after a former president and with two federal prosecutions, very scary prosecutions for

01:29:45.940 stuff that, you know, in the Mar-a-Lago case, it wasn't great.

01:29:48.340 He had the documents.

01:29:49.100 He wasn't the first as everybody knows.

01:29:50.660 Um, but the January 6th thing was made up.

01:29:53.840 It had already been tried and dismissed by the American people.

01:29:56.900 And now like he, they are on the knee.

01:30:01.740 He rested this, the mantle of power away from them.

01:30:06.160 They're on the knee.

01:30:07.500 They're in submission.

01:30:09.040 They've given it up.

01:30:10.340 There will be no additional appeal to the 11th circuit that will be abandoned.

01:30:14.020 There will be no going back to judge Chutkin who hates him trying to get her to somehow

01:30:18.220 say he's an insurrectionist before he gets certified.

01:30:22.060 This is it.

01:30:22.920 Fannie Willis is done.

01:30:23.820 We talked about that.

01:30:24.920 Alvin Bragg is the last man standing and that's a nothing.

01:30:27.060 He's not sending Trump to jail, but that's it.

01:30:29.540 That's the white flag, Rich.

01:30:30.640 After all this time, one of the more amazing aspects of this campaign season was every

01:30:35.440 time Trump or a Republican would say his political enemies have gone after him and

01:30:40.040 prosecuted them, they'd get fact checked and they say, no, that's not true.

01:30:43.380 How do you know that?

01:30:44.120 Even if you put the Justice Department aside and just say it's on the straight and narrow,

01:30:49.320 Bragg and Fannie Willis were Democrats, right?

01:30:51.820 And one of them basically pledged to do this in a political campaign.

01:30:55.280 So, of course, his political enemies went after him.

01:30:57.400 And Jack Smith was not separate from the Justice Department.

01:31:00.300 He was a creature of the Justice Department that is run by Joe Biden, his political.

01:31:04.440 And the number three guy from Justice went to work with Alvin Bragg, Matthew Colangelo.

01:31:08.200 Yeah.

01:31:08.400 So Trump, if you ever talk to him about this, you know, why don't you get stressed by things?

01:31:13.340 Why don't you have trouble sleeping at night when all this is going on?

01:31:16.560 He's like, I just kind of figure it's going to work out.

01:31:18.720 And if it doesn't, I'll figure out some other way to make it work out.

01:31:21.420 He made this work out, right?

01:31:22.620 When at the outset, reasonable people thought, four indictments, not survivable.

01:31:27.360 Forget it.

01:31:27.760 You're going to be in courtrooms the whole time.

01:31:29.840 You might be going to jail.

01:31:31.400 And he tiptoed through the raindrops and prevailed over these people.

01:31:35.340 And I say, good.

01:31:36.240 And by the way, the one thing that they got him on, well, they got him on two things severely.

01:31:41.580 One was Tish James with the lawsuit against his business saying that they committed corporate

01:31:45.960 fraud by getting loans on more favorable terms than he was entitled to.

01:31:50.020 All the banks said, we're fine with what he did.

01:31:51.900 We got paid back fully.

01:31:52.860 We're a sophisticated partner.

01:31:54.420 We don't need your protection, Tish James.

01:31:55.900 The appeal on that was brutal for Tish James, that the appellate division is going to reverse

01:32:02.560 that verdict in Tish James's favor.

01:32:05.680 And Trump's going to emerge victorious on that.

01:32:07.360 The one thing he's not going to emerge victorious on, at least the way it looks now, is the E.

01:32:12.960 Jean Carroll civil suit against him, which then after she won, he allegedly defamed her by

01:32:19.680 continuing to deny, which was also ridiculous.

01:32:22.040 Like Quartz said, you have no right to continue saying I didn't do it.

01:32:26.180 And I do, I can't help thinking about this moment, which just showed just how gleeful

01:32:31.440 they were about trying to destroy him.

01:32:32.980 And I've never forgotten it.

01:32:33.940 It was Maddow and E. Jean Carroll right after she won her 80 million.

01:32:37.960 You want to design her bag?

01:32:39.280 Yeah.

01:32:39.560 Sat 114.

01:32:40.300 You've talked about using some of Trump's money that you're about to get to help shore

01:32:47.100 up women's rights.

01:32:48.400 Do you know what that might be?

01:32:50.740 What that might look like?

01:32:51.800 Yes, Rachel.

01:32:53.040 Yes.

01:32:53.540 Tell me.

01:32:54.240 I had such, such great ideas for all the good I'm going to do with this money.

01:33:00.660 First thing, Rachel, you and I are going to go shopping.

01:33:04.300 We're going to get completely new wardrobes, new shoes, motorcycle for Crowley, new fishing

01:33:10.420 rod for Robbie.

01:33:11.500 Rachel, what do you want?

01:33:12.560 Penthouse?

01:33:13.400 It's yours, Rachel.

01:33:15.400 Penthouse?

01:33:16.080 And France?

01:33:17.460 You want France?

01:33:18.680 You want to go fishing in France?

01:33:20.300 No?

01:33:20.760 Oh.

01:33:21.380 All right.

01:33:22.080 All right.

01:33:22.560 Okay.

01:33:23.100 That's a joke.

01:33:26.280 Although if me fishing in France could do something for women's rights, I would take the

01:33:31.580 hit.

01:33:31.740 You know, I would obviously take one for the team.

01:33:36.960 She's not laughing anymore.

01:33:39.080 Rachel Maddow.

01:33:40.000 She doesn't really give a damn about E.G.

01:33:41.600 and Carol.

01:33:42.240 She was just a tool to hurt Trump and potentially stop his chances of being reelected so they

01:33:47.540 could call him a sexual predator.

01:33:48.780 Well, it didn't work.

01:33:49.660 They did exactly that.

01:33:50.820 That was Kamala Harris's opening message when she got the nomination or was the elevation

01:33:56.000 was that he was a sexual predator.

01:33:57.760 She knows his type.

01:33:59.200 That's why E.G.

01:33:59.840 and Carol was useful to them.

01:34:00.900 And it didn't work.

01:34:03.340 Rachel Maddow is not laughing this morning.

01:34:05.560 There's nothing like seeing people laugh about alleged sexual assault.

01:34:10.300 I can think of nothing less funny than being a survivor of sexual assault.

01:34:16.700 So that display right there was cynical, disgusting, and exactly what you're saying.

01:34:23.440 It was just a tool.

01:34:24.480 She was just a useful idiot.

01:34:26.580 You know, and again, with Kamala, the problems are manifold and we will be dissecting them

01:34:32.080 for a long time to come.

01:34:33.660 But the gall to go out there and say, this guy's a sexual predator when you're married to Doug

01:34:40.500 freaking Amhoff.

01:34:42.040 She knew.

01:34:43.040 She knew.

01:34:44.120 How could she not know that was going to come out?

01:34:47.100 She had to know.

01:34:48.180 It's interesting because Mark Halperin said right after she was elevated, has she been

01:34:53.540 fully vetted?

01:34:54.620 You know, and he suggested like, has her husband, has Tim Walz been fully vetted?

01:35:00.040 Like, are we sure that this is going to work out?

01:35:03.240 Let's talk about Trump.

01:35:04.940 He has been abused by this DOJ and the law fair and so on.

01:35:09.740 So he sounded magnanimous last night.

01:35:12.980 You know, I mean, he said he wanted to be a president for everyone, wants the country

01:35:15.740 to unite.

01:35:16.320 They always say that.

01:35:17.240 And then we don't.

01:35:19.040 But do you think we're going to have a, I don't know, like a kinder, gentler Trump in

01:35:25.260 office or no, no, shaking heads no.

01:35:28.240 Well, it depends what you mean by that.

01:35:30.460 I mean, he's not going to change his nature, but he was president before and he didn't

01:35:34.300 go after Hillary Clinton, which is what everybody said they expected him to do.

01:35:39.400 So who would he go after this time?

01:35:40.960 I mean, the argument would be what, Biden for some of those investigations into the.

01:35:45.540 I think one theory is he could go after the prosecutors, right?

01:35:48.800 I don't, or I mean, it could be Biden because Biden was said to have committed crimes by the

01:35:53.200 special counsel who investigated him and just said.

01:35:54.940 I just don't see that.

01:35:55.600 I don't see that happening.

01:35:56.480 I don't either.

01:35:57.020 I could possibly see going after the prosecutors.

01:35:59.440 I actually, and here I'm sure I'll be wrong, but I actually don't think he will.

01:36:03.660 I just, I just don't think he wants to spend his time doing it.

01:36:08.160 It'll be all consuming if he tries to do it and he'll fail.

01:36:11.360 And, and he wants to be popular and it wouldn't be popular.

01:36:14.040 Right.

01:36:14.240 And maybe this won't be true because they're going to unwind it as you just shared with

01:36:17.920 us on the news.

01:36:18.760 But I thought this would be the flashpoint.

01:36:20.880 They're, you know, shutting down the investigation, getting the guy in to shut, shut it down and

01:36:25.400 controversies and supposed scandals over that.

01:36:28.860 Maybe that won't, won't happen out the gate.

01:36:30.560 What is going to happen now in the next, whatever days, what are, what is it now?

01:36:34.860 November 6th, uh, January 20th, he'll be sworn in with Joe Biden.

01:36:39.280 Does he pardon Hunter?

01:36:41.560 Does he, does he, there's some crazy, you know, speculation on the internet that he might

01:36:47.160 go to Sotomayor, uh, and say, Hey, now would be a great time for you to step aside too.

01:36:52.540 She's 70.

01:36:53.020 Like I could have one that right now, the Democrats control the Senate so he could get

01:36:59.080 a confirmation.

01:37:00.180 So do you, is there any chance of that?

01:37:02.780 I have a, this is pure speculation on my part, just the product of having followed the Senate

01:37:08.260 very closely.

01:37:09.560 I am not a hundred percent convinced Joe Manchin would do it.

01:37:13.940 Joe Manchin is going to be in the Senate until the beginning of, was it January 5th?

01:37:18.700 Um, if Joe Biden now is a lame duck, having lost an election of that magnitude or this

01:37:26.640 party having lost it said, I'm going to put in a new Supreme court justice.

01:37:30.180 I wonder if Joe Manchin who remember just handed over as about to hand over the keys to Jim

01:37:35.600 justice to be the new Senator who won by 70 to 30.

01:37:39.160 I wonder if Manchin would, would go along with it.

01:37:41.900 I might be wrong.

01:37:42.780 Yeah.

01:37:43.080 I think it would feel too rushed and cynical and disorderly, but I'd be kind of shocked

01:37:47.820 if he doesn't pardon Hunter.

01:37:49.460 I think he will.

01:37:49.920 I mean, how's he going to get kicked off the ticket, have his successor lose and then see

01:37:54.400 his son go to jail, you know, sometime when he's in the retirement home in Wilmington.

01:37:58.900 I, I think I'll pardon him.

01:38:00.040 You think Trump might pardon him if, if Biden doesn't, I could see him loving the press.

01:38:05.260 Honestly, I think Trump would pardon him.

01:38:06.960 Yeah.

01:38:06.980 He just wants, cause he would think, oh, if I, if I pardon him, I look magnanimous.

01:38:11.060 It was a popular thing to do and he can say, you know, Trump would say I've been on the

01:38:15.960 end of all of this federal apparatus and I'm going to use my position to get you off the

01:38:21.260 hook.

01:38:21.360 You already had JD Vance saying nice things about Hunter Biden on this Joe Rogan interview.

01:38:25.140 This just in Democrat Tammy Baldwin wins the Senate race in Wisconsin, securing a third

01:38:31.100 term.

01:38:31.720 So that is a house that the Republicans, I mean, sorry, a seat that the House of Republicans,

01:38:37.140 why do I keep saying it?

01:38:37.980 Senate Republicans will not pick up.

01:38:39.320 So what do we think the number may be now?

01:38:41.460 We've got 52 seats in the Senate.

01:38:43.940 It's not going to be 53 from Wisconsin.

01:38:47.420 Michigan, not clear whether Mike Rogers is going to pull that out.

01:38:50.460 I think he's not.

01:38:51.400 Pennsylvania is going to go Republican.

01:38:53.540 So that's 53.

01:38:54.380 And then the question is Nevada, is that going to be 54?

01:38:58.300 And it looked as if it wasn't, but then there's a county, I forget the name of it, that is

01:39:04.440 quite Republican that just dropped 20, 25,000 votes.

01:39:09.600 And so it's possible that that puts the Republican candidate over the threshold.

01:39:14.620 And then the question is, are there enough mail-in ballots and late ballots in Clark County

01:39:18.720 to offset that?

01:39:19.900 So that one's still alive.

01:39:21.400 So 54 is the maximum, 53 is the minimum.

01:39:24.200 Pretty good.

01:39:24.920 Pretty good.

01:39:25.840 You feel confident about the House?

01:39:28.420 I didn't.

01:39:29.860 But then I also got the election wrong, Megan.

01:39:32.040 So prognosticator.

01:39:35.140 That's true.

01:39:35.680 Even with the accent, we're not.

01:39:40.140 Last night, I thought it was possible it would go to the Democrats.

01:39:42.780 But this morning, Decision Desk has predicted 221 Republican seats and now 223.

01:39:49.500 So it seems it's pushing.

01:39:50.940 It does matter.

01:39:51.880 I mean, controlling both bodies of Congress would be amazing for President Trump.

01:39:55.100 He could really push an agenda through, including immigration reform.

01:39:58.720 You three have been amazing.

01:40:00.460 Thank you.

01:40:01.040 Thank you, Megan.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 06, 2024

Trump's Landslide Victory Causes Massive Media Meltdown, with Fifth Column, Rich Lowry, Charles C.W. Cooke, and Maureen Callahan ｜ Ep. 937

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