The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump's Momentous Girls' Sports Exec Order, CBS Reveals Kamala Edits, and RFK's Odds, with Andrew Klavan, Ron Johnson, and Chuck Zito ｜ Ep. 1001

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00:00:31.140 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.820 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:46.540 President Trump remains on offense and the results have been incredible.

00:00:51.940 Unbelievable. I just, it's, I can't get over it.

00:00:56.900 Like I said, the days keep passing.

00:00:58.860 He keeps doing more incredible things, amazing things, gifts to us,

00:01:05.940 just righting the deep immoral wrongs that were done to us during the Biden administration.

00:01:13.820 And we knew he was going to, he promised that he would,

00:01:16.960 but aren't you so used to being disappointed by politicians?

00:01:20.880 Everything's too hard.

00:01:22.180 It didn't work out.

00:01:23.660 The Democrats wouldn't cooperate.

00:01:25.940 We get used to like, well, I guess, you know, we tried.

00:01:30.080 And what's happening, yes, it's via executive order.

00:01:33.500 Yes, it can be undone by the next president.

00:01:36.260 But it's something, it's progress.

00:01:39.040 He's doing what he said he would do.

00:01:41.600 He's fulfilling the promises he made to us.

00:01:44.400 And then he will also push, push for the legislation.

00:01:47.280 He is doing that too.

00:01:49.080 But at least we have a four-year fix.

00:01:51.080 At least we have a four-year restoration to sanity and morality in some departments,

00:01:57.600 like the one I'm about to talk about,

00:02:00.160 such that Americans can live again in a way that makes sense,

00:02:05.980 in a way that is safe, in a way that is normal.

00:02:09.040 And if another president comes in after Trump and tries to undo it,

00:02:13.640 they will feel the acute shift in a way that will be profound

00:02:17.840 and will, I think, stop the next president from doing it.

00:02:20.940 So there is real value in these executive orders.

00:02:24.600 Forget, you know, that.

00:02:26.220 That's a valid point, the one I just made.

00:02:27.780 But think of all, for example, with respect to the girls in sports issue,

00:02:32.420 think of how many girls are going to be protected.

00:02:34.920 Think of how many girls are not going to have to undress in front of a boy,

00:02:37.500 pretending to be one of them,

00:02:39.860 are not going to have their teeth knocked out on the field hockey field

00:02:43.060 because Trump used his pen to fulfill a campaign promise.

00:02:50.280 It was a thing of beauty yesterday.

00:02:52.120 He signed, it truly was beautiful.

00:02:54.680 He signed an executive order banning men and boys from women's and girls' sports.

00:03:02.520 And the NCAA has already said it will comply.

00:03:08.580 It was a complete victory in the war to protect our girls.

00:03:15.640 Just unbelievable.

00:03:18.080 The video, let's watch it, okay?

00:03:22.180 Let's watch it because it was, it's actually kind of emotional.

00:03:26.160 And then I'm going to bring in our first guest.

00:03:28.240 You know, if you'd like to gather around me, I think I'm going to be okay.

00:03:32.360 Come on.

00:03:33.480 Come on.

00:03:41.600 Secret Service is worried about them?

00:03:45.280 If we have to worry about them, we have big problems.

00:03:48.760 Okay, do you want to add it to me?

00:03:50.260 Do you want to do this?

00:03:51.940 Watch what I do, and then I'm going to give you some pens, okay?

00:03:55.240 You ready?

00:03:55.720 What a nice picture this is, huh, Governor?

00:03:59.280 You ready?

00:04:00.080 We'll do a good job.

00:04:00.960 Wait a minute, press that.

00:04:06.260 I want to make this a really good signature.

00:04:09.100 Because this is, you know, this is a big one, right?

00:04:17.200 Oh, I think we have a 10.

00:04:19.360 We have a 10.

00:04:20.860 God bless you, Mr. President.

00:04:22.140 Thank you.

00:04:25.720 Surrounded by young, innocent, fresh-faced girls who just want to play their sports against other girls. 1.00

00:04:35.440 That's all they're asking, just for fairness and safety in sport.

00:04:40.240 Something that for many decades has been a foregone conclusion in the wake of Title IX, but wasn't recently.

00:04:45.180 Thanks to Joe Biden, that villain, and his sidekick, Kamala Harris, who actually tried to convince us she could do this job.

00:04:52.900 You know, we've talked about this, but the night before the election, I went to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and did something I've never done before in my life.

00:05:00.080 Certainly not as a journalist, but not even as a private citizen.

00:05:02.400 And that was, I endorsed a candidate and spoke on his behalf and urged other people to vote for him.

00:05:09.360 And I was there specifically.

00:05:12.060 This was my task.

00:05:13.140 I wasn't asked specifically to do this.

00:05:14.700 But my choice to explain my vote was to tell people that those who were mocking President Trump's promise to protect women did not understand what he was actually going to do when he took the office.

00:05:28.300 That I was voting for him specifically because I believed that promise.

00:05:32.740 We spoke about, that night, Laken Riley.

00:05:35.820 I mentioned her by name.

00:05:36.960 What was his first order of business, the very first piece of legislation he signed into law, the Laken Riley Act, to protect other young American women and men from the crimes committed by illegals who are here, who repeatedly offend, and then in these sanctuary cities get turned right back out onto the street, which is what happened in Laken Riley's case.

00:06:00.300 And now what?

00:06:01.960 We've had three executive orders.

00:06:03.680 One, declaring that sex is binary.

00:06:08.060 There are no trans anythings. 1.00

00:06:11.140 You cannot transition from being male to female or female to male. 0.57

00:06:14.600 You can pretend.

00:06:15.860 You can call yourself that.

00:06:17.460 Do your thing.

00:06:18.500 The rest of us do not have to participate in your delusion.

00:06:21.620 And we will not be saying your pronouns or pretending that your delusion is anything other than unwellness.

00:06:27.060 Then one, declaring that the federal government would not be participating in any gender transitions because that's fake, too.

00:06:37.740 You cannot use Medicare funds or Medicaid funds to chop off the healthy genitals of children in the name of this sick ideology.

00:06:45.400 Nor can any institution taking government funds in any way perform these procedures and continue to accept those funds.

00:06:53.040 And now we get this one.

00:06:54.380 This one that has 79% support of the American people, 67% of the Democratic Party is on the same page as Donald Trump on whether we should have boys who pretend to be girls playing in girls sports, men who pretend to be women playing in women's sports.

00:07:16.560 The answer is no.

00:07:19.480 This was immoral.

00:07:21.080 It was evil.

00:07:22.560 And it's coming to an end.

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00:08:31.240 Joining me now to discuss this historic executive order and all today's news, Andrew Klavan.

00:08:38.620 He's the host of The Andrew Klavan Show at The Daily Wire and author of the forthcoming book,

00:08:43.040 The Kingdom of Cain, Finding God in the Literature of Darkness, which will be released in May.

00:08:49.740 Wow, I love the title, Andrew.

00:08:52.000 It's a similar theme to what we just saw today.

00:08:54.340 Not that Trump is God, but that God was present as he signed that executive order in the darkness of these past four years yesterday.

00:09:03.920 Yeah, and you're absolutely right that even though these are EOs and we'd like to see laws passed, these are incredibly important because this is not a political movement that Trump is leading.

00:09:13.420 This is a cultural movement.

00:09:14.740 I mean, it's even in some sense a cultural revolution, if I can borrow a phrase from our old friend Chairman Mao.

00:09:21.100 I mean, this is the complete destruction of a way of thinking that has been imposed on us, not just through the Biden administration.

00:09:28.420 He was kind of the worst of it, but he was also the end of it.

00:09:30.920 This is 30, 40 years of a way of thinking that is absolutely, absolutely makes sense.

00:09:36.740 And what Trump is doing is he's doing exactly what the left has so expertly done to us.

00:09:41.960 The left knows how to basically, you know, what Scott Adams, the Dilbert guy, calls talk past the sale, talk past the important point.

00:09:51.040 So they get us into an argument about whether a transgender person can use a girl's bathroom or play in a girl's sport.

00:09:58.140 And while we're fighting about that, we've already lost the argument because we've already accepted that there is such a thing as a person who can transition from one sex to another, which there's not.

00:10:07.220 And because Trump is such an expert at the culture, you know, he's not an expert at politics.

00:10:11.740 He's an expert at the culture.

00:10:13.140 He understood that just by gathering those little girls and young ladies around him, he was showing us a picture of what we have been told to forget, that these are our women.

00:10:24.460 These are our future mothers of a generation that I won't even get to see be born.

00:10:29.540 These are wives of people who haven't even met them yet. 0.67

00:10:32.420 These are the people that we cherish as women.

00:10:34.760 And for years, we've been taught that we can only, that women can only feel that they've accomplished something if they accomplish something as men.

00:10:42.360 And that means that somebody who is a man who dresses up like them is essentially can replace them.

00:10:48.020 They've taken away these children's identities.

00:10:50.580 They've taken away their achievements.

00:10:52.620 They've taken away their feminine modesty.

00:10:54.600 They've taken away their spaces and their safety.

00:10:56.540 And it is when you see those girls gathered around him, you know, you really you tear up, as you say, that God is present in that moment because we remember what we always knew, that these are people that we cherish and we cherish them in their girlhood, in their femininity, in their womanhood.

00:11:11.580 All this stuff that has grown up recently, that kind of these Andrew Tate clowns and Pearl Davis who tell us we hate each other.

00:11:19.480 These are all distortions forced on us by leftist feminism, by this idea that women are not valuable as women.

00:11:27.120 They're only valuable as make-believe men.

00:11:29.180 And so we've kind of been taught, we've got this anger in us, especially younger men.

00:11:34.520 I think they have this anger and this idea that we are at war with one another.

00:11:38.960 That's never been true.

00:11:40.300 That has never been true in any human civilization.

00:11:43.120 In any successful human civilization, men and women cherish each other.

00:11:46.820 They actually respect each other.

00:11:48.280 They understand that they're different and have different roles and different strengths.

00:11:51.660 And they understand that they're complementary.

00:11:53.940 And all of that was wiped away until finally we found ourselves actually allowing people with penises to walk in to girls' locker rooms and bathrooms. 1.00

00:12:04.500 I mean, it was a kind of insanity.

00:12:06.600 Fifteen percent of the so-called women in women's prisons are men. 0.99

00:12:11.360 And I mean, this is the kind of madness that we've been talked into instead of basically living on our common sense, our ability to know what we know.

00:12:20.440 I mean, it's really interesting when my friend, you know, Matt Walsh at The Daily Wire made that film, What is a Woman?

00:12:27.580 The answer was not as easy to come up with as you might think, because a woman is a whole thing. 1.00

00:12:32.620 You know, a woman is not just a body. 1.00

00:12:34.720 It's not just a genetic code.

00:12:36.240 It's not just a shape.

00:12:37.740 It is actually an entire thing that we all understand in our hearts but can't always express.

00:12:42.380 And the left has cleverly used its cultural expertise to talk us out of that knowledge.

00:12:50.480 And Trump is using his equal cultural expertise backed up by a new media that supports him to remind us who we are, to remind us that we're men and women.

00:13:00.240 We're glad we're men and women.

00:13:01.400 We think it's a beautiful part of creation.

00:13:03.460 It's the source of all human life.

00:13:05.280 And when you see them gathered around him like that, you just think, what have we done?

00:13:09.720 What were we even talking about?

00:13:11.140 What kind of nightmare have we been in that we have to wake up from it like this and tell people, pass orders saying you can't castrate little boys and cut off the breasts of little girls and you can't steal their spaces and their sports?

00:13:22.560 And it's an amazing moment and a genuine transition.

00:13:25.260 And I think it will last far longer than the usual executive orders.

00:13:29.020 I, I love everything you said.

00:13:31.960 I'm feeling like I, I feel euphoric about it.

00:13:35.500 I feel emotional about it.

00:13:36.620 I feel a lot for the girls who have been hurt over the past four years who, you know, all these trans lobbyists are like trans people exist, you know, don't erase our existence.

00:13:46.700 They erase the pain of girls just like that.

00:13:49.940 They just pretend it didn't happen.

00:13:51.280 You know, I referenced that night in Pittsburgh and it was, I, for me, it was a big deal to go and do that.

00:13:57.540 I, I've never done that before and it was really important to me to do it.

00:14:02.300 I, if I could convince any of my fellow women, because I know that there are a lot of Democrat women who were kind of open-minded to Trump because of issues like this, who were still being told he was Hitler, who were still being told he hated women.

00:14:15.440 And I felt in my heart that if I could speak to them, if I could reassure them that even notwithstanding my weird past with Trump, I was fully on board in supporting him and that they needed to see him through this different lens.

00:14:27.680 They needed to understand he really would protect us.

00:14:31.220 He really would.

00:14:31.960 And that absolute cretin, Chris Cuomo, then mocked me for saying I needed to be protected by Donald Trump. 0.82

00:14:39.240 I do want Donald Trump to protect me with laws that enforce, for example, our immigration policies.

00:14:44.520 And I do want him to protect my 13-year-old daughter, Chris Cuomo.

00:14:48.600 So go fuck yourself if you don't understand that.

00:14:51.260 But this is what I said that night.

00:14:53.180 And it's why I'm so emotional today.

00:14:55.260 I'm so emotional today.

00:15:25.260 Kamala Harris looks at her and says, be kind, suck it up. 1.00

00:15:30.660 And that's what's right.

00:15:33.580 Why do our girls have to face brain damage in order to be kind to boys who want to invade their sports? 0.98

00:15:42.480 And lo and behold, he did it.

00:15:45.020 He stepped in there.

00:15:45.900 He's been in office two weeks and two days.

00:15:49.080 And he signed this executive order.

00:15:50.760 Therefore, it is the policy of the United States to rescind all funds from educational programs that deprive women and girls of fair athletic opportunities.

00:16:00.080 I'm feeling emotional about it, which results in the endangerment, humiliation and silencing of women and girls and deprives them of privacy.

00:16:08.320 It shall also be the policy of the United States to oppose male competitive participation in women's sports more broadly as a matter of safety, fairness, dignity and truth.

00:16:19.500 Directing that this secretary of education take all appropriate action to affirmatively protect all female athletic opportunities and all female locker rooms and to prioritize Title IX enforcement actions against any educational institution that denies female students an equal opportunity to participate in sports or athletic events by requiring them to compete against or appear unclothed before males.

00:16:47.460 What a day, Andrew, what a day, Andrew, what a day.

00:16:49.960 He did it.

00:16:51.040 It's an amazing thing.

00:16:52.880 You know, when you really think about it, especially after the advent of Christianity, every Western civilization has been built upon the protection of women.

00:17:00.880 The idea that women don't need special protections is simply a nonsense.

00:17:04.820 It's not insulting to say when you have people who are stronger than you who want what you've got, when you have the fact that you can conceive and deliver children who need to be protected and who make you more vulnerable because you're the one who has to protect them.

00:17:19.440 Entire societies all throughout the West since Christianity have been built upon protecting women and making sure they have lives.

00:17:27.460 The marriage laws that feminists, you know, fall on the fainting couch over were invented by churchmen to basically say, no, you can't just kidnap a woman and carry her off and impregnate her. 1.00

00:17:38.140 You know, you have to actually commit.

00:17:40.680 If she's going to be faithful to you, you've got to be faithful to her.

00:17:44.520 Entire networks of philosophy and society are all based on that.

00:17:49.280 And the left just thought, oh, we'll turn that off now and it'll be fine.

00:17:52.040 And what, of course, happens, you know, of course, women are victimized. 1.00

00:17:55.700 And it's kind of bizarre that a guy like Trump, who has been a playboy and all that and has said, you know, insensitive things, should be the guy to fix it.

00:18:04.860 But it's also kind of appropriate because one of the things that has happened is among the intelligentsia, the commentariat, is that they make fun of Trump for the way he talks, the kind of bluntness that he has.

00:18:16.220 He's not an intellectual.

00:18:17.480 He has no philosophy.

00:18:18.900 And one friend of mine once called him the guy at the end of the bar.

00:18:21.720 And I said, you know, when you've plunged into a time of madness, the guy at the end of the bar has a lot to say because all he's doing is talking common sense.

00:18:30.560 And when Trump promised during his inaugural speech and he promised we're going to have a golden age of common sense, that's what we're looking for.

00:18:37.420 Because, again, Megan, we do know these things.

00:18:40.120 We do know what women are. 1.00

00:18:41.520 We do know basically what they need in order to live a full, healthy, normal life.

00:18:46.000 We built our civilization around that protection.

00:18:49.540 It's been the wonder of the world.

00:18:51.080 I mean, it is the wonder of the world, the way women have been treated in modern Western society.

00:18:55.720 When you compare society before that, of course, there were flaws.

00:18:59.280 And, of course, there were things that had to be staggered forward toward and grasped.

00:19:02.760 But it is an amazing thing that has happened, not just in America, but in Europe in the 19th century.

00:19:09.920 The rights that women have secured, the protection that they have, and the entire civilizational network built to protect them. 1.00

00:19:17.880 And the left just wanted to sweep it away like it was nothing.

00:19:20.420 And when you see Trump with those girls around them, and, you know, I have a daughter, and you do, and I, you know, you understand that this is urgently important.

00:19:29.940 This is the whole, all of us should be, this is not a male-female idea.

00:19:34.360 This is something that all of us as civilized Western Christian-based people should care about down to our toes.

00:19:41.100 And it is, it was a tremendously moving moment and only part of this cultural revolution that Trump is overseeing.

00:19:48.880 It's a beautiful, beautiful thing.

00:19:50.620 That he's overseeing and that ushered him into office.

00:19:54.160 Here he is just a bit more from the man himself as he declared the EO.

00:19:59.540 It's not one.

00:20:00.000 This is one of the big reasons that we all won, and it's one of the big reasons that we had a record, a landslide like they haven't seen before, very often anyway.

00:20:12.220 And who could forget last year's Paris Olympics where a male boxer stole the woman's gold medal after brutalizing his female opponent so viciously that she had to forfeit just after 46 seconds, and she was a championship fighter.

00:20:26.860 And actually, they had two women or two people that transitioned, and both of them won gold medals, and they won them very convincingly.

00:20:36.740 But all of that ends today because with this executive order, the war on women's sports is over. 0.97

00:20:46.380 It's amazing.

00:20:47.520 It's huge progress.

00:20:49.200 It does not, it's not going to apply to private schools that don't take federal money or to independent sports.

00:20:56.220 You know, it doesn't, it doesn't govern the Olympics.

00:20:58.780 It doesn't govern, you know, whatever, pick your sport that men are invading. 1.00

00:21:03.220 That's, that's another battle.

00:21:04.680 And it's an executive order, and we still need to sign the law, the law that we just had Senator Tuberville on the other day who introduced this legislation.

00:21:13.800 And it keeps getting kicked out, keeps getting buried, even by Republican leadership right now in the Senate, which we're trying to pressure them into having a vote on this thing, to, it's the call to protect women and girls in sports act.

00:21:25.480 So we need a law.

00:21:26.880 The Republicans control the House, the Senate, and the White House.

00:21:28.860 There's no reason we can't have a law.

00:21:30.720 This, this issue has 79% support of the American people, 67% of Democrats.

00:21:38.340 Here's CNN's Harry Enten laying out the numbers yesterday.

00:21:41.600 I think these numbers are really illuminating on this topic because I just think there's such a clear trend among the American public.

00:21:50.780 So transgender female athletes and women's sports, only 18% of the country says that they should be, in fact, allowed to participate in women's sports.

00:22:00.640 Compare this to the opposition.

00:22:01.960 I mean, my goodness gracious, 79%.

00:22:04.520 You rarely get 79% of the country to agree on anything, but they do, in fact, agree on the idea of opposing transgender female athletes in women's sports. 0.98

00:22:14.900 As he points out, what, what does this country agree on?

00:22:18.700 Name, name another issue that we're 79% in agreement on.

00:22:24.160 I don't, I don't think you can find one really.

00:22:26.160 It may be like how we felt about Betty White, right?

00:22:29.580 Like it has to be something that generic and non-controversial.

00:22:34.360 This is extremely controversial.

00:22:36.260 The other way to do this is extremely controversial.

00:22:40.200 And it's amazing to me.

00:22:41.920 We're actually going to be joined by Senator Ron Johnson in, after you, because he's on our side on this.

00:22:47.720 And I'm going to ask him what he thinks, but this is the fact that Republican leadership won't let this come out for a vote in a Republican controlled Senate.

00:22:55.100 Why not?

00:22:56.400 What Republican would ever vote against it?

00:22:58.220 And why are we afraid of making the Democrats go on record with their no votes when almost 70% of their own caucus, their own voters agree with you and me and Ron Johnson on it?

00:23:09.600 Because the Republicans haven't caught on yet to the fact that the media is no longer controlling the narrative.

00:23:15.000 The mainstream or legacy media is no longer controlling the narrative.

00:23:18.500 They're so used to being cowed and frightened and whipped by this circle of media that surrounds Washington, D.C.

00:23:26.160 that they don't understand that nobody cares what they think anymore.

00:23:28.620 Nobody cares what the New York Times opinion is anymore.

00:23:30.880 It literally does not matter.

00:23:32.920 And when you say that 79%, that's changed like 15 or 16% just in the last few months.

00:23:39.480 And the reason it has changed is because Trump has given people permission to think what they already thought.

00:23:44.900 No one ever, ever has believed that people could change sex.

00:23:48.180 I don't believe even the people who think they believe it have believed it.

00:23:51.340 But it took a guy, you know, the same guy who could take a bullet in the ear and spit the bullet back at the guy and say, fight, fight, fight.

00:23:58.200 That was the kind of attitude it took simply to say that the emperor wasn't wearing any clothes, simply to say that all these leftist propositions were not just wrong.

00:24:07.140 They were immiserating.

00:24:08.500 You know, they were immoral.

00:24:09.380 And so if the Republicans as a group do not wake up to the fact that they are no longer constrained by this empire of lies, that the empire of lies has fallen, it is gone.

00:24:21.340 If they don't catch on to that, they're going to be replaced.

00:24:24.240 You know, they're going to be pushed out in primaries. 0.79

00:24:26.180 They're going to absolutely disappear.

00:24:28.660 This is a different party.

00:24:30.100 It's a different Republican Party.

00:24:31.500 There may be parts of that Republican Party I don't like as a kind of mainstream conservative.

00:24:35.640 But that's fine.

00:24:36.640 This is a picking up – it's a populist movement in the sense that it is following the will of the people.

00:24:43.580 And in this case, the will of the people awakened by Donald Trump and other people who have had the courage to speak their minds like you, they're actually saying with simple basic truth that's right in front of them.

00:24:55.460 And I think if the Republicans cannot bring this into law, they're out of their minds because I think if they actually bring it forward, even some of the Democrats are going to have to go along.

00:25:03.960 Yes.

00:25:04.540 I mean, talk about a no-brainer.

00:25:05.680 I want to pick up on your comment about the assassination attempt in one second.

00:25:09.020 But you're a screenwriter, a Hollywood screenwriter, in addition to being a very successful podcaster and book writer.

00:25:15.940 Your comment reminded me, back when I was much younger, I loved this movie.

00:25:19.820 And I actually still love this movie.

00:25:20.920 I've seen it so many times now I don't pull it up very often.

00:25:23.000 But it's Far and Away by Ron Howard.

00:25:25.240 It stars Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman.

00:25:26.960 And they're Irish and she's sort of upper crust and he's more working class.

00:25:33.100 And he shows up in her hometown to kill her father, who's the wealthy landowner who had his dad, well, not killed, but was disrespectful to their family and burned their house after his father died.

00:25:45.300 So he shows up there to try to kill her father and shoots but misses and it's a debacle.

00:25:50.360 Well, so she shows up and rescues him from the makeshift prison her mother has made for this Tom Cruise character and asks him to come with her as she goes to America.

00:26:01.680 She's fleeing to America to live a more independent life. 0.94

00:26:04.160 But he's just tried to kill her father.

00:26:05.680 So why would she do this?

00:26:06.780 And there's a great line where she's up in this ladder trying to rescue him from this second floor bedroom saying, boy, come with me.

00:26:13.920 And he's looking at her like, you're out of your mind.

00:26:15.780 And she says, what I saw you do out there.

00:26:19.000 You spat on that guy's face.

00:26:21.280 You stepped on his neck.

00:26:22.520 That could be very useful to me.

00:26:25.160 Boy, you said you wanted land.

00:26:27.940 If that's what you want, then come with me.

00:26:32.860 Great ships sail out of Dublin and Liverpool.

00:26:35.260 But a woman dare not travel alone. 1.00

00:26:37.520 No, you're brave.

00:26:39.560 You shoot men.

00:26:40.440 You step on their necks.

00:26:42.120 When I saw that, I realized you could be very useful to me.

00:26:47.720 And that's how you have to look at Trump, even if you hate him, which I don't.

00:26:53.380 But I'm just saying, like, this is what people need to recognize.

00:26:56.620 He is the guy who spat out the bullet all but and said, fight, fight, fight.

00:27:01.220 He's the guy who was told by everybody that Brett Kavanaugh was a gang rapist.

00:27:07.180 And he said, no, he's going on the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:27:10.660 He's the one who, after January 6th, when the whole nation was like, you're gross and we never

00:27:15.900 want to see or hear from you or your entire family again, was like, no, you will.

00:27:19.920 And actually, I will be your next president.

00:27:21.540 And I will never concede anything about January 6th.

00:27:24.860 I did win.

00:27:25.800 He has never, never budged.

00:27:28.580 That could be very useful to us in fighting the vicious, deranged, far left that wants

00:27:36.820 to erase what it means to be human.

00:27:39.980 They want to erase, like, truly humanity.

00:27:42.900 The difference between women and men is as fundamental and basic to who we are as anything

00:27:49.300 else.

00:27:49.860 And yet they insist that we forget it because of this small, not particularly well group

00:27:57.120 of people who happens to be extremely vocal and politically active.

00:28:02.240 Yeah, this is the exact reason I voted for Trump the first time, the first time he ran,

00:28:06.720 even though when I first saw him, I was shocked.

00:28:09.260 I made an extremely viral video attacking Trump the first time he ran because of his attitude

00:28:15.340 and his ill manners and the cruelty of calling people names and all this stuff.

00:28:19.920 But as I watched him, I began to realize that we were wrapped so thick in a network of lies

00:28:25.580 that it actually was going to take a man like that to speak the simple truth.

00:28:30.440 You know, I believe in being polite.

00:28:32.780 I love being polite.

00:28:33.860 I think it is a wonderful way to treat other people.

00:28:36.420 But in being polite, I've always said exactly what I thought.

00:28:39.040 And I've always told the truth.

00:28:40.920 I think for most people, it takes a certain amount of just belligerence before you can

00:28:45.820 break through this network.

00:28:47.520 I've had conversations over the last eight, 12 years that I cannot believe where you'll

00:28:52.180 talk about transgenderism as a good example.

00:28:54.600 And you'll say, you know, they're cutting up the bodies of young people.

00:28:58.900 That's something out of Nazi Germany.

00:29:01.060 They're always talking about Nazi Germany.

00:29:02.680 That's actually something they did in Nazi Germany.

00:29:05.120 That is Joseph Mengele level evil.

00:29:07.180 And people go, well, you know, there's this theory, this woman at a college with this book.

00:29:11.440 And you think like, you know, and I've been kind of like, what on earth are you talking

00:29:15.360 about?

00:29:15.800 And I think this is the personality it took to basically bowl them over and knock them

00:29:22.020 down.

00:29:22.380 And it has been, you know, they threatened to put him in jail.

00:29:25.120 They convicted him of a felony.

00:29:26.920 I was watching him during that bogus trial in New York, perhaps one of the worst miscarriages

00:29:32.840 of justice I've ever seen in an American courtroom where they were accusing of something.

00:29:37.020 Nobody knew what it was.

00:29:37.840 I was watching him and thinking, you know, I consider myself a fairly hard character,

00:29:42.060 but I do not know if I could just spit in their eyes like this day after day while they're

00:29:46.360 threatening to put me in jail for a crime they can't even name.

00:29:50.300 And it didn't even stop him when he saw his mugshot.

00:29:53.240 He looked at it and said, that would look good on a t-shirt.

00:29:55.920 Yes.

00:29:56.560 And then his presidential portrait is almost the identical image of it.

00:30:00.840 He totally leaned in.

00:30:03.100 Somebody probably said, you know, it looks a little like the mugshot.

00:30:05.260 And he was like, great.

00:30:06.360 Then that's the one.

00:30:07.480 That's a wrap of this.

00:30:09.120 I mean, just remember, like, that could be very useful to me.

00:30:12.260 That could be very useful to me.

00:30:14.100 Trump is very useful to all of us who have been trying to fight these fights, but without

00:30:19.040 his steely resolve, without his power, without his never say die temerity and energy.

00:30:25.260 And it's just such a gift to have him in there.

00:30:27.020 Here, he, on the subject of the assassination attempt and all he's been through, and, you

00:30:33.280 know, there's just strength of this man.

00:30:34.820 He was at the National Prayer Breakfast this morning and said the following.

00:30:39.780 Listen to Sade.

00:30:40.220 It didn't affect my hair.

00:30:43.080 Can you believe that?

00:30:47.360 Might have touched it, but not where it counts.

00:30:49.980 Not the skin part. 0.60

00:30:53.080 But, no, honestly, it changed.

00:30:55.460 It changed something in me.

00:30:56.900 I feel even stronger.

00:30:59.320 I believed in God, but I feel much more strongly about it.

00:31:04.000 Something happened.

00:31:05.020 So, thank you.

00:31:05.960 So, first of all, just love his sense of humor, and when it's at his own expense, so much the

00:31:12.700 better.

00:31:13.600 But, second of all, Andrew, I think you appreciate the second soundbite, because he went on.

00:31:17.100 And I think, you know, it doesn't seem to me that Trump is a particularly religious man,

00:31:20.600 but I know he did grow up going to church on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.

00:31:25.100 We know the church that he used to go to.

00:31:26.500 And he mentioned God and the role of God in our nation this morning.

00:31:34.460 Appropriate place to do it.

00:31:35.640 But take a listen to the messaging on it.

00:31:36.960 America is and will always be one nation under God.

00:31:44.100 At every stage of the American story, our country has drawn hope and courage and inspiration

00:31:50.420 from our trust in the Almighty.

00:31:54.680 Deep in the soul of every patriot is the knowledge that God has a special plan and a glorious mission

00:32:00.980 for America.

00:32:03.840 And that plan is going to happen.

00:32:06.680 It's going to happen.

00:32:07.540 I hope it happens sooner rather than later.

00:32:10.020 It's going to happen.

00:32:11.520 And it's his hand that guides us every single step of the way.

00:32:18.720 How about that?

00:32:19.820 I mean, of course, we've heard that many times in church and so on.

00:32:23.380 But he, it's his hand that guides us every step of the way.

00:32:26.940 I feel like Trump is the one being guided.

00:32:28.640 You know, like Trump is the one being guided by that hand on a daily basis, setting an example

00:32:33.780 for us all and improving lives for us all.

00:32:36.760 It was just, to me, it was like very meta, you know, that he was saying those things given

00:32:40.120 all that he's doing.

00:32:41.960 You know, I was at the first two Trump prayer breakfasts and on the first one, he really

00:32:47.940 didn't know what he was doing.

00:32:49.300 It was kind of embarrassing.

00:32:50.640 He was talking more about himself and his success.

00:32:53.900 I once called him back in those days, and I think I was right.

00:32:56.520 I once called him the first post-Christian president in the sense that he wasn't even 0.93

00:33:00.240 pretending to believe in the Christian verities.

00:33:04.200 He would make fun of people for being poor, which is the opposite of Christ.

00:33:07.560 When he was asked if he needed God's forgiveness, he said, no, I just try to live so I don't

00:33:11.360 need to be forgiven.

00:33:12.960 He really didn't know what he was doing.

00:33:15.180 And when he would start to pick up the evangelical language of some of his supporters, I didn't

00:33:21.100 believe him.

00:33:21.660 And since that assassination attempt, his tone has changed.

00:33:25.940 I can tell that he's, you know, as you say, I don't think he's a tremendously religious

00:33:29.680 person.

00:33:30.340 I don't think he's, you know, studying theology or reading the Bible every night.

00:33:33.740 But I think he suddenly does get the fact that these people who talk about God, like

00:33:37.900 me, you know, are not talking about empty space.

00:33:40.460 They're talking about something that is really there.

00:33:42.200 And his tone has definitely changed.

00:33:44.600 And the things he's saying are things that he has learned from hard one experience.

00:33:49.940 And I think it really is a diff is different.

00:33:52.540 And it doesn't make a difference because that, too, as I know I've said to you too many times,

00:33:57.020 that, too, is something that we have to learn to talk about with courage and boldness and

00:34:00.840 not be talked out of the things that we know are there.

00:34:04.240 It's great to see him think about it and lean into it.

00:34:08.040 I agree with you.

00:34:08.740 There's a difference.

00:34:09.740 Trump hasn't changed his basic nature, which is good because that could be very useful to

00:34:13.500 us, but there's there's definitely been a softening, I think, of him as a human in that

00:34:18.940 he's he seems a bit more loving.

00:34:21.360 He seems a bit more serene.

00:34:23.440 He's still a fighter, all the things.

00:34:25.340 But he has this other side now that we never saw much of publicly, even if we were trying

00:34:30.240 to cover him fairly and not as part of that, you know, fake news, hating media.

00:34:34.720 He's just getting he's more generous with showing that side of himself at a minimum.

00:34:38.400 OK, I want to shift gears because it was just a wonderful, wonderful 24 hours and worth

00:34:43.140 of the first half hour of our show.

00:34:45.400 OK, but something else significant happened yesterday with respect to CBS News.

00:34:49.680 So the audience may remember that CBS interviewed Kamala Harris right before 60 minutes and are

00:34:57.300 right on 60 minutes right before the election.

00:35:00.520 And they they put out this interview, which they sliced and diced.

00:35:05.520 And we you weren't quite sure what was, you know, was this the natural like it was this

00:35:11.480 a full interview or wasn't it?

00:35:12.760 And then somebody on online on Twitter was smart and pointed out that the tease that they

00:35:18.080 had aired the day before on Face the Nation showed the interviewer's question, something

00:35:23.300 like Netanyahu doesn't appear to be listening and Kamala's answer.

00:35:26.900 And then the next night when they aired the full thing or that that whatever the Monday

00:35:31.700 night, it was the same question with a different answer.

00:35:34.480 And that led to this whole thing where Trump wound up suing CBS News for 10 billion dollars

00:35:42.240 for fraud, consumer fraud, defrauding consumers to win an election.

00:35:47.180 And the FCC demanded a transcript of the interview, which for some reason CBS would just would not

00:35:53.940 release.

00:35:54.240 It became a big public firestorm.

00:35:55.800 People said, just release the transcript.

00:35:57.300 They said no.

00:35:58.500 Well, now they've had to.

00:36:00.740 They were forced to hand over the full raw video and transcript to the FCC this week.

00:36:07.520 So it turns out now we know the full sit down with Trump with Kamala was just over 50 minutes.

00:36:13.000 And what they ultimately aired was a cut down version that was about 20 minutes in length.

00:36:17.200 Now, that is typical for 60 minutes.

00:36:19.620 They don't normally air their full interviews and they don't typically release the raw videos

00:36:25.320 anywhere.

00:36:26.080 But having said that, they've done it before.

00:36:28.780 They released the full transcript, I think, or video of J.D. Vance.

00:36:32.900 Catherine Herridge was pointing that out.

00:36:34.520 They've done it before.

00:36:35.680 So once it became a controversy, why wouldn't they have done it?

00:36:39.440 Right.

00:36:39.720 The preview clip hit face the nation.

00:36:41.660 It didn't match the version we saw the next night on 60.

00:36:44.200 And watch, you can see that discrepancy in this clip here.

00:36:48.300 But it seems that Prime Minister Netanyahu is not listening.

00:36:53.580 Well, Bill, the work that we have done has resulted in a number of movements in that region

00:37:03.620 by Israel that were very much prompted by or a result of many things, including our advocacy

00:37:13.220 for what needs to happen in the region.

00:37:14.880 But it seems that Prime Minister Netanyahu is not listening.

00:37:19.260 We're not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for the United States to be clear about where

00:37:24.620 we stand on the need for this war to end.

00:37:28.100 Not much better, but slightly more clear.

00:37:30.280 With the release of the full video, now we know how that whole thing actually took place.

00:37:35.440 First, the question from Bill Whitaker was actually edited down, and the part taken out

00:37:40.200 was more pointed than the way it aired in either version.

00:37:46.300 And you can see the full Kamala answer, too.

00:37:49.380 Seems that Prime Minister Netanyahu is not listening.

00:37:53.280 The Wall Street Journal said that your administration has repeatedly been blindsided by Netanyahu.

00:38:03.560 And in fact, he has rebuffed just about all of your administration's entreaties.

00:38:08.740 Well, Bill, the work that we have done has resulted in a number of movements in that region by Israel

00:38:21.200 that were very much prompted by or a result of many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region.

00:38:31.700 And we're not going to stop doing that.

00:38:34.020 We're not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for the United States to be clear about where we stand on the need for this war to end.

00:38:41.920 OK, so what we learned is that the first half of that inane answer was aired on Face the Nation as a tease and on actual 60 Minutes, which aired the next night.

00:38:53.460 They used the second half of the answer, which was more succinct, though I don't know that it was more clear.

00:39:01.060 I'm going to have to say 60 might have just been shooting for something that was a little closer to comprehensible, if you want to give them the benefit of the doubt.

00:39:11.880 Neither answer was good.

00:39:13.040 They both sucked.

00:39:14.160 But now we do know that there wasn't more inanity stuck inside the answer.

00:39:19.140 There were just those two bits of inanity, and they chose one for Face the Nation and one for 60.

00:39:24.960 OK, but there's more because now we've seen the raw footage of the interview.

00:39:28.380 And we learned that the next 10 minutes of Q&A was edited out entirely.

00:39:32.920 Again, this is always going to happen.

00:39:35.100 It's not inappropriate to edit an interview with a presidential candidate.

00:39:38.600 That is the format of 60.

00:39:40.400 And most of us have limited time and limited airspace to put our interviews up in this kind of thing, like a pre-taped setting with somebody who's important.

00:39:49.180 Not now because I'm on podcast, but back when I was on the cable news or the broadcast news.

00:39:54.560 But look here at what we never got to see.

00:39:58.380 We are a people who have ambition and aspirations and dreams and optimism and hope.

00:40:10.960 If you look at the character of who we are and how we have achieved the strength that we have achieved, I believe in large part it is because of our character and our belief in the promise of America.

00:40:24.680 And I'm running for president because I want to do everything that is possible to create an opportunity for people to achieve those goals, those ambitions and those dreams.

00:40:37.140 Okay, so she said absolutely nothing.

00:40:39.700 You guys all know how many times we heard those stupid phrases, meaningless, out of her mouth. 0.99

00:40:44.880 You can make the argument that, okay, they didn't need to include it because everybody's heard her say it.

00:40:50.640 But you tell me whether it's putting the thumb on the scale editorially to take that out.

00:40:55.540 But in essence, you could make the case that you're running cover for her because she is showing what an empty vessel she is, that this is all she's got.

00:41:04.820 This is a major, supposed to be substantive sit down.

00:41:07.980 And that's what she fills it with?

00:41:09.940 This completely empty calorie-less filler that she says everywhere? 0.65

00:41:16.280 Like, you'd have to have the debate internally about whether you're running cover for her and taking that out.

00:41:23.080 Later in the interview, Kamala went on a bizarre side about picture day in school in Ohio on the subject of the eating of the dogs and the cats in Springfield, Ohio, which they also saved her from.

00:41:36.620 You know, when I was attorney general, the words I spoke could move markets.

00:41:40.300 So the idea that the former president, who, again, is running to be president, would use that microphone in a way that is about vilifying and demeaning a whole population of people.

00:41:55.080 You know what has happened because of that?

00:41:58.080 One day when this happened was a school day, picture day for an elementary school.

00:42:07.220 Picture day.

00:42:08.120 You know what picture day is for our children?

00:42:10.480 Oh, God.

00:42:11.020 They get excited the night before.

00:42:12.660 You put out the clothes they're going to wear.

00:42:14.640 They go to school making sure their faces are clean and their hair is done.

00:42:19.600 And they go to school for picture day.

00:42:21.420 You know what happened to these children?

00:42:23.380 They had to evacuate that day because of the fear of the threats that were being issued in Springfield because of the words of Donald Trump.

00:42:33.800 So, so, so, so I say that I'm glad you are pointing these, these, these comments out that he has made that have, have resulted in a response by most reasonable people to say it's just wrong.

00:42:48.200 It's just wrong.

00:42:49.660 Unbelievable.

00:42:52.020 That's where she went.

00:42:54.380 Words have such power.

00:42:56.480 What, you know, what could, what could happen to the children?

00:42:59.060 Well, let's look at what did happen.

00:43:00.260 Picture day got spoiled.

00:43:01.760 It got spoiled.

00:43:02.640 I'm telling you, Bill.

00:43:03.380 And by the way, then she references the, you know, the bomb threats, which we know and knew were international.

00:43:10.600 Some came from Russia.

00:43:11.560 It had nothing to do with America.

00:43:12.980 It was just shit stirring from out of the country.

00:43:14.680 But somehow that's Trump's fault, all of which would have led to criticism of Kamala Harris.

00:43:18.780 And it got omitted from the interview.

00:43:21.740 All they included was that last sentence.

00:43:23.160 I'm glad you're pointing these comments out that he's made.

00:43:26.480 They've, you know, led to a response from people saying it's, it's wrong.

00:43:30.260 It's just wrong.

00:43:30.900 So, all right, another one.

00:43:33.300 Now, I'm going to get Andrew to comment on all this, but we had to get this to you.

00:43:36.220 In another section, a substantive discussion on the border.

00:43:39.940 And this part was edited out.

00:43:42.080 There are a variety of factors that relate to what we have seen globally and what we are not immune from at our own border in terms of what we have seen in terms of surge of immigration and irregular migration.

00:43:57.540 And there are solutions at hand.

00:44:00.720 But we've got to have leaders who are solution oriented, which we've been and are and I am going forward instead of leaders who want to make it a problem they can run on.

00:44:18.640 She's a no nothing. 0.99

00:44:23.360 So, Andrew Klavan, was it election interference as some on the right claim, including President Trump this morning?

00:44:29.760 Just your typical 60 minutes cut down or them?

00:44:34.660 I mean, my own vote is like it's it's not I'm not surprised that all the edits they made were to her benefit.

00:44:42.440 Well, I dozed off during those last two clips, so I can't really say too much about them.

00:44:47.840 But I I think, look, you're right.

00:44:49.440 It's subtle.

00:44:50.100 And what they did is they turned her from the babbling idiot we know she is into a faintly coherent presence on the screen.

00:44:56.920 And they did that because they all vote for Democrats and they want to support the Democrats and they hate Donald Trump.

00:45:01.660 That's why they did it.

00:45:02.480 But it's so subtle.

00:45:03.480 Can Trump win a lawsuit?

00:45:05.660 Probably not.

00:45:06.560 Maybe they'll settle, but probably not.

00:45:08.220 But that doesn't matter.

00:45:09.220 These people need to be shamed.

00:45:10.640 There is no bigger criminal element in our country than the American legacy news media.

00:45:18.860 They have really done us dirt.

00:45:21.460 And as far as I'm concerned, each and every one of them should be paraded naked through the streets like in Game of Thrones while we throw rotten vegetables at them and cry, shame, shame, shame.

00:45:30.900 Because what they have done is they've made it almost impossible to hold anybody to account.

00:45:35.660 They have basically cut off the flow of a politician does something wrong.

00:45:42.140 The reporter exposes the fact that he's wrong.

00:45:44.160 He has to pay price for it either legally or at the at the voting booth.

00:45:49.720 That's the way a democracy is supposed to work. 0.71

00:45:51.620 And it can't work without a free press.

00:45:53.080 And we simply have not had a free press.

00:45:55.740 If you look at this country since Obama was president, there's just been no penalty for bad actions.

00:46:01.340 I mean, the IRS takes after Republicans, conservatives.

00:46:05.020 Nobody gets fired.

00:46:06.080 Oh, there was not a scintilla of corruption there.

00:46:08.520 You know, forget about it because the press isn't looking into it.

00:46:10.620 The press isn't exploring anything except how bad Donald Trump is.

00:46:14.360 Most of and most of those stories were lies.

00:46:16.940 So now you have the press that isn't even held to account.

00:46:20.580 You know, they tell us that Biden is sharp as attack.

00:46:23.700 Nothing.

00:46:24.200 Nobody quits.

00:46:24.900 They tell us that, you know, there was Russian collusion.

00:46:29.200 And then they give themselves Pulitzer prizes for essentially elevating a Hillary Clinton dirty trick. 0.95

00:46:34.480 They tell us that the Hunter Biden laptop isn't real.

00:46:37.400 And we have to therefore, you know, censor any reporter who explores the fact that it is real.

00:46:42.160 All of this stuff has been going on to cut off the people from any sense of reality.

00:46:48.440 And I think it has played into the left's ability to tell us that boys can be girls.

00:46:53.620 It's played into the left's ability to basically do terrible, the kind of terrible things that Elon Musk is exploring in our U.S. foreign aid.

00:47:03.840 All of those things they've been allowed to do because the press just will not do its job.

00:47:08.900 You actually have young reporters saying, we don't need to tell the facts.

00:47:13.100 We need to tell the truth.

00:47:14.060 And you say, honey, if you don't know the facts, you can't get at the truth.

00:47:18.280 You don't know what the truth is until you get the facts and until you report the facts and let the people figure out what the truth is.

00:47:25.040 You know, they've been demonizing Fox.

00:47:26.920 And I know you've had your experiences with Fox News.

00:47:29.860 But there is more real news on one hour of the Bret Baier special report show than there is on the rest of the media, you know, for a week.

00:47:37.240 And the fact that they have been able to do these things without ever being held to account, it is to me glorious to see people being fired now, reporters being fired and replaced, because they truly deserve it.

00:47:51.040 These guys truly deserve to be shamed.

00:47:52.540 So can Trump win this suit against CBS?

00:47:55.540 I kind of doubt it, but it doesn't matter.

00:47:58.000 Expose what they do.

00:47:58.900 They're going to settle it.

00:47:59.500 Yeah, they may well settle it.

00:48:01.220 They're going to settle it because CBS News, Paramount is trying to merge with this other group and they need government approval.

00:48:06.780 So he's going to wind up getting another donation to his presidential library, I'm sure.

00:48:10.920 Listen, I've got to get to this before you go.

00:48:14.640 You predicted the Bianca Sensore nudity at the Grammys. 0.77

00:48:22.740 I mean, almost exactly.

00:48:25.100 Here you were January 3rd, long before the Grammys aired on your show, The Andrew Klavan Show.

00:48:30.460 Watch.

00:48:30.700 I predict that a starlet will show up at a French film festival wearing a completely transparent dress and a news site will describe the outfit as shocking, even though no one is shocked or even particularly interested.

00:48:45.200 How did, I mean, you said exactly what she did, a completely transparent dress. 0.98

00:48:49.640 Yeah, I apologize to France for thinking that it would be them instead of us.

00:48:53.820 But I think I think the thing is, you know, listen, this is this is my my thing.

00:48:58.280 If I have any superpower at all is that I follow the culture really closely.

00:49:01.840 And because I am an artist and because I create things, I can actually tell where things are going simply by watching movies and watching TV shows like this.

00:49:09.520 And it actually it's actually not that hard once you're paying attention to that instead of who's winning a congressional race in Ohio.

00:49:17.120 You can actually see where things are going.

00:49:19.000 And this idea that, you know, it's kind of it's kind of a symbiotic relationship.

00:49:23.660 These women dress in less and less and the media can basically get clicks by showing these half naked women. 1.00

00:49:31.360 So they have to be shocked by it.

00:49:33.240 But at some point, you know, we've seen what there is to see.

00:49:36.460 We're not that shocked.

00:49:37.880 And so it was kind of a natural conclusion that this is this was the way it was going to go.

00:49:43.340 And I have to say, if at some at some point, I just feel pity for these girls.

00:49:47.920 You know, I mean, I just feel like this is what they've got.

00:49:50.480 You know, I mean, instead of showing up beautifully dressed and, you know, elegant and elevated so that we actually admire them.

00:49:57.520 They just have this kind of thing we stare at, which is nakedness.

00:50:00.880 And it's really kind of sad, actually.

00:50:03.340 I know I I'm I'm waiting for somebody to show up dressed like a normal.

00:50:07.880 person and just holding up their SAT score.

00:50:11.000 Would that be great?

00:50:12.340 That's it.

00:50:13.560 That would that would be shocking.

00:50:15.160 Then even I would be shocked.

00:50:16.580 Yes.

00:50:18.140 Well, who has the confidence to do that?

00:50:20.720 But it really like it doesn't take a lot to get attention, especially as a woman who happens to, in her case, be beautiful. 0.59

00:50:26.900 But my husband, Doug, was like, I'm like, she looks she has a beautiful body.

00:50:29.740 He's like, she does not. 0.95

00:50:30.960 She looks totally manufactured like a Mr. 0.97

00:50:33.680 Potato Head with all these huge parts added on to her. 1.00

00:50:36.100 So I'm just saying it's not hard, not hard to get attention as a nude woman at a public event.

00:50:42.720 If you want it, it's sad that these two felt it was their only way of getting their name in the news.

00:50:48.320 Andrew Klavan, thank you.

00:50:50.780 Great to see you, Megan.

00:50:51.560 Thanks a lot.

00:50:52.840 All right.

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00:53:13.900 Godspeed, Bobby Kennedy.

00:53:15.240 Let's hope you can do it.

00:53:16.760 Welcome back to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:53:18.280 Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was voted through the Finance Committee this week along party lines 14 to 13.

00:53:23.080 That means he will be headed for the Senate floor for a full vote, though that vote has not yet been scheduled.

00:53:30.920 Reports are that it will likely happen next week.

00:53:34.040 Will he make it?

00:53:35.580 Joining me now with his prediction, U.S. Senator Ron Johnson of the great state of Wisconsin.

00:53:40.460 Senator, welcome back.

00:53:42.100 So this is important, and I know it's important to you personally.

00:53:46.980 Our audience actually is very familiar, I think, with the roundtable you did with RFKJ on Maha issues, with Casey and Callie Means, with so many people who are in support of RFKJ because they care about chronic disease in this country, an issue I know is near and dear to you.

00:54:04.240 So your prediction on whether he makes it.

00:54:07.540 Well, Megan, first of all, thanks for having me on.

00:54:09.540 I'm optimistic now.

00:54:11.360 I know that Dr. Cassidy, Senator Cassidy, had some concerns.

00:54:15.560 Those concerns were alleviated, so he voted for Bobby in committee, and I think that'll probably be the last hurdle.

00:54:21.920 So I'm quite optimistic.

00:54:23.700 And because you mentioned that panel, I thought the most important snippet of testimony came from Dr. Chris Palmer.

00:54:30.880 He was a psychiatrist and does a lot of work with nutrition and mental health.

00:54:34.960 And he made the point that they, whoever they are, they don't want to know the root cause of chronic illness because they are corporate interests.

00:54:46.480 And if one of their ingredients, a herbicide, a pesticide, a pharmaceutical, a drug, if it's a contributing factor or a cause of chronic illness or autism, that will disrupt their multibillion-dollar business model.

00:54:59.900 And of Bobby's testimony, I thought the fact that he said he spent the last few decades suing these agencies.

00:55:10.160 He has a PhD in corporate capture, which is why he is exactly the right person at the right moment in time here, because the American public, in a completely nonpartisan fashion, they want to know what is causing chronic illness.

00:55:22.780 They want to know what is causing the devastation of autism.

00:55:27.320 I was thrilled to see Cassidy vote yes. 0.75

00:55:29.740 I want to say, again, thank you to the audience of this show, because we gave out his contact information.

00:55:36.280 And I'm sure his phones were ringing a lot, but I think they made the difference, because it's not that often that, you know, a barrage of people start calling a U.S. senator's office or emailing the office.

00:55:46.520 And indeed, Politico has a report out this week saying Cassidy acknowledged that his phone was ringing off the hook with calls from supporters of Kennedy and his Maha movement.

00:55:55.740 So right on, our listeners and viewers, you made a difference and America and your kids hopefully will be healthier as a result of it.

00:56:06.620 I want to ask you about Cassidy, though.

00:56:09.120 He sure did say that he extracted a lot of promises from Bobby in order to get the yes vote.

00:56:14.780 He and I would have an unprecedentedly close, collaborative working relationship.

00:56:24.780 We will meet or speak multiple times a month.

00:56:28.000 He will maintain the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices recommendations without changes.

00:56:35.820 CDC will not remove statements on their website pointing out that vaccines do not cause autism.

00:56:43.360 But my support is built on insurances that this will not have to be a concern and that he and I can work together to build an agenda to make America healthy again.

00:56:52.740 So he seems to be saying there that they're going to be super close or they're going to talk several times a month that he promised that the immunization schedule recommended by the CDC will not change.

00:57:04.320 That is controversial, just the schedule, not pulling vaccines, but the schedule.

00:57:08.280 And lastly, that he will not pull down the statement that that the vaccines don't cause autism.

00:57:14.540 So what do you make of that?

00:57:16.960 Well, first of all, you know, Senator Cassidy is chairman of the Health, Education, Labor and Pension Committee.

00:57:21.780 So I would expect the chairman of the committee would be in touch with the secretary of HHS frequently.

00:57:28.500 So as I listen to what, you know, supposedly concessions, I don't really view them as many concessions whatsoever.

00:57:34.620 You know, I know Bobby quite well.

00:57:36.860 I've gotten to know him.

00:57:38.060 We fought the same battle in terms of bringing truth to American public during COVID.

00:57:42.420 And he's very science based.

00:57:44.300 So he will, I think his first task is to restore integrity to science.

00:57:49.780 We heard President Eisenhower in his farewell address.

00:57:52.580 The second warning after the military industrial complex was public funding of science.

00:57:57.300 It was going to create a scientific and technological elite that would drive public policy.

00:58:01.440 I would view that as corrupting science.

00:58:03.940 Science has been corrupted.

00:58:05.660 We have all kinds of evidence of that.

00:58:07.640 And so Bobby's first task is to restore integrity to science.

00:58:12.160 Make sure that the data is transparent, that you have everybody at the table.

00:58:17.000 Now, you know, science sometimes is black and white, but often it is not, particularly when you're looking at cause and effect in the complexity of a human body.

00:58:26.100 So, again, my guess is, you know, Dr. Cassidy is a doctor.

00:58:29.960 He can look at evidence.

00:58:31.260 Bobby Kennedy looks at evidence.

00:58:32.620 He knows how to read science.

00:58:33.760 So we will, our policies will follow where the science leads us, where the truth leads us.

00:58:40.640 And I think both the men, Dr. Cassidy and Bobby Kennedy, are going to come together on those points.

00:58:47.280 So it shouldn't be controversial.

00:58:49.280 You know, I think what Bobby's saying, he's not going to push getting rid of the MMR vaccine.

00:58:53.920 Sorry, go ahead, Senator.

00:58:55.420 Again, he's not going to do anything precipitously.

00:58:57.760 Precipitously, he's going to become secretary, and then he's going to restore integrity to science and let science guide his actions.

00:59:05.780 And my guess is, Senator Cassidy will also allow science to guide his actions.

00:59:09.640 And the fact of the matter is, we have not ever tested any of these childhood vaccines against true placebos. 0.99

00:59:15.800 The ingredients, for example, the aluminum adjuvant, you know, I've learned, was based on a study with four rabbits.

00:59:24.060 You know, one of the rabbits, they lost the data on, the other ones were killed after 28 days.

00:59:29.760 Autopsies performed, and the aluminum was still in their systems, in their organs.

00:59:33.700 So, again, that needs to be looked at.

00:59:35.460 These are legitimate questions that we haven't even been allowed to ask.

00:59:39.980 So, you know, Bobby Kennedy is still going to be able to ask these questions.

00:59:43.120 He'll still be able to, you know, drive the science and then restore integrity to it.

00:59:47.860 So, again, I just don't view these as serious concessions he's making.

00:59:52.260 He's going to be very open.

00:59:53.520 He's going to be transparent, which these agencies have not been because they have been captured.

00:59:57.960 They have been corrupted.

00:59:59.340 And I don't think Senator Cassidy is going to have a problem with the transparency within these agencies.

01:00:04.060 Good.

01:00:04.560 Well, good on him for coming to the right decision.

01:00:06.820 And sorry for all the phone calls, Senator, but you did the right thing.

01:00:10.680 Not really sorry, but I'm sure it was kind of annoying.

01:00:13.340 Okay.

01:00:14.400 A couple of things to get to here.

01:00:15.680 When I sat in that hearing, as when I sat in the Pete Hegseth hearing, I could not believe the performance by some of these Democrats, Senator.

01:00:23.000 And as a member of the committee that was listening to the first day of RFKJ, I wonder what your reaction was.

01:00:29.780 When it spiraled down into moments like this one with Bernie Sanders.

01:00:36.160 Are you supportive of this?

01:00:38.240 I've had nothing to do with leadership.

01:00:40.140 Are you supportive of these onesies?

01:00:41.580 I'm supportive of vaccines.

01:00:43.240 Are you supportive of this clothing, which is militantly anti-vaccine?

01:00:48.140 What did you make of that?

01:00:53.700 Well, you heard my reaction during my time to comment and question.

01:00:58.740 First of all, it didn't surprise me, but it really disappointed me, the severe, extreme hostility of Democrats.

01:01:06.300 Again, particularly knowing with the events I did on COVID and on nutrition and health, how completely nonpartisan it is.

01:01:14.780 Most of the doctors in my panels were Democrats.

01:01:17.220 They voted for Obama.

01:01:18.340 They voted for Biden.

01:01:19.200 But none of that mattered to any of us.

01:01:21.600 I mean, we were focusing on an area of agreement.

01:01:23.860 That's what Bobby Kennedy wants to do.

01:01:25.420 So it was very disappointing from the standpoint that Democrats couldn't recognize the moment that the American people are hungering for the information.

01:01:33.980 They don't want to be ill.

01:01:35.760 They don't want autism rates to continue to skyrocket.

01:01:38.980 They want the truth.

01:01:40.780 They want solutions.

01:01:42.140 And there's nothing partisan about it.

01:01:44.280 And let's face it, as Bobby Kennedy said, these people used to be my friends.

01:01:49.280 You know, I mean, his name is synonymous with the Democrat Party, but they have just turned on him viciously.

01:01:54.300 And that's just disappointing, particularly in light of the fact that President Trump, Bobby Kennedy set aside their differences, focus on an area of agreement, chronic illnesses.

01:02:02.820 And in so doing, demonstrate not only how you solve a problem, but how you heal and unify a badly divided, a horribly divided nation.

01:02:11.560 There are reports out this morning that the Democrats are now getting ready to vote no uniformly, all of them, on all of Trump's nominees, because this is their way.

01:02:21.020 This is their new hashtag resistance effort because they're angry about what he's doing with executive orders, with USAID and Elon.

01:02:28.460 And so now there there's a movement by Chuck Schumer to have them say no to everyone from this point forward.

01:02:34.500 If so, it would mean the Republicans really can't lose more than three.

01:02:40.020 So to get RFKJ or anybody else through, you'd have to make sure that Cassidy stays steady and that there's not another Cassidy lurking.

01:02:46.520 We all know that possibly Murkowski, possibly Collins, possibly McConnell could be no's.

01:02:52.420 So first, let me ask you, what do you think of that plan?

01:02:54.140 And secondly, do you think that there is a different Cassidy who might surprise us and vote no against Kennedy?

01:03:00.100 Because we are going to need all the Republicans, I think.

01:03:03.160 No, I don't think so.

01:03:04.260 And I've had conversations with others.

01:03:06.180 And again, I'm I'm I'm pretty confident that Bobby will be confirmed because most Republican senators take have the same attitude as I have.

01:03:13.960 We respect the convincing victory of President Trump.

01:03:19.680 It's he's the one that decides who he wants serving his administration.

01:03:23.160 Our job is to investigate, make sure there's nothing disqualifying the background.

01:03:26.920 But if not, you know, vote to confirm.

01:03:29.200 And I think that's what will end up happening in these cases.

01:03:31.760 Plus, with Bobby, you know, I did the initial whip count on him.

01:03:35.280 And it's really interesting how the conversation went with Republicans and Democrats.

01:03:38.740 They would always start out saying, you know, there's a lot that Bobby's doing that I really agree with that I really love.

01:03:43.480 But and he's he's alleviated those concerns, those buts. 0.81

01:03:47.740 He's answered those questions.

01:03:49.600 And people do realize I think even Democrats in their hearts realize that what Bobby Kennedy wants to do is unbelievably popular with the American public.

01:03:59.640 But you don't think he's going to get any Democrat votes, do you?

01:04:02.740 What's that?

01:04:04.040 Will he get any Democrat votes?

01:04:06.720 At this point, probably not, which is disappointing.

01:04:09.020 You know, maybe John Fetterman, John, John is, you know, comes from a purple state.

01:04:13.580 He's understanding the moment.

01:04:15.560 He's he has voted with Republicans when no other Democrat has.

01:04:19.020 So so possibly that.

01:04:20.040 But it'd be nice.

01:04:21.100 I think early on I was a little more hopeful.

01:04:22.840 But again, based on the hearing, the hostility shown from from even members that are generally more moderate in their in their, you know, at least presentation came out pretty hostile.

01:04:33.600 Well, I really hope that these Democrats, whether they vote for him or not, can get behind the Maha movement, which is not political, political at all.

01:04:43.220 They're Democrat moms and Republican moms and dads, for that matter, who want their kids to be safer and who want themselves to be safer.

01:04:49.600 It's it's silly for people to prioritize this piece of our national conversation.

01:04:54.660 It doesn't need to be politicized.

01:04:56.780 OK, you talked about these elites in the scientific field and how they they've had an we know better than you approach and how this has been a longstanding fear in the United States.

01:05:09.900 I've been watching as you have been over the past many months trying to get documentation from the CDC and the FDA and the National Institutes of Health on what was said internally when Fauci and the others were there about myocarditis and pericarditis and other side effects and serious risks or adverse consequences of the covid vaccine.

01:05:37.940 And I have been watching as you've been getting stonewalled and stonewalled and documents that are supposed to look like this, but instead look like this because they've been so redacted, totally whited out as an effort to comply with your request.

01:05:51.580 So what happens now, Senator, because now we have President Trump's team going into those organizations, of course, RFKJ, ideally at HHS.

01:06:00.540 And then we're hoping Jay Bhattacharya at NIH and we're hoping Martin McCary at FDA.

01:06:06.540 So are we about to get the full disclosure on what they knew and when they knew it?

01:06:14.500 That year where the fact that I have now issued what I'd consider a friendly subpoena for documents that, again, I've written over 70 oversight letters during the Biden administration and been basically given the middle finger.

01:06:26.420 So, you know, top of the list was the last 50 pages of Anthony Fauci's emails unredacted.

01:06:34.160 He released 4,000 through FOIA.

01:06:36.260 They're heavily redacted.

01:06:37.240 Even those were quite incriminating.

01:06:39.080 We narrowed our search down to or request down to 400.

01:06:42.000 We've been allowed to go into reading room, take notes, but make no copies.

01:06:45.580 And we got down the last 50 pages.

01:06:47.560 They have not shown those to us.

01:06:48.720 We've been looking for those for years.

01:06:50.140 So those should be produced unredacted.

01:06:52.560 That'll be interesting.

01:06:53.220 Plus, the 17 pages of talking points, instead of issuing a warning on the health alert network on the myocarditis that they were getting reports on from Israel, for example, in the early months of 2021, right after the rollout, they were going to issue an alert on that health alert network.

01:07:10.560 Instead, they came up with a 17-page talking point memo.

01:07:13.560 It'll be really interesting to put together all the timelines of what these federal officials were telling the public, what lies they were telling the American public versus what they actually knew behind the scenes.

01:07:24.740 But we should get those 17-page talking points.

01:07:27.220 That should be pretty interesting as well.

01:07:28.360 But also, you know, their proportional reporting ratios, their empirical Bayesian analysis, which should be public information, but they've kept hidden, should also be pretty revealing.

01:07:40.240 So, again, we already know people like Fauci, Francis Collins, you know, these federal health officials lied to the American public repeatedly about their injections, about COVID.

01:07:52.500 They didn't base things on science.

01:07:54.240 They just pulled it out of the air.

01:07:56.140 I think there's going to be a reckoning.

01:07:57.600 I think there's going to be a lot of truth being exposed here in the next couple months.

01:08:01.080 I'll be very interested to see what you guys find.

01:08:04.420 Please keep us in the loop, and we'll have you back on once you get your information back.

01:08:08.400 All right, last but certainly not least, this historic executive order by President Trump today on women's and girls sports, keeping men and boys out of them.

01:08:18.660 And we spoke with Coach Tuberville, Senator Tuberville, last week about why he can't get a vote on the Senate floor on his bill that would turn this exact executive order into law.

01:08:33.380 You know, we all love the four-year reprieve from this madness, but we'd much rather have it written into a law where the next president, if it were a Democrat, could not just revoke it with a different executive order.

01:08:43.400 So what is your take, Senator, on why John Thune will not schedule a vote on the Protect Women and Girls in Sports Act?

01:08:50.380 Oh, my guess is merely a timing issue.

01:08:53.880 And again, President Trump has acted boldly, swiftly, decisively to make sure that girls aren't going to be harmed by male athletes now.

01:09:02.640 They're not going to be in their locker room, their bathroom, or they're going to risk, those organizations are going to risk loss of federal funding.

01:09:08.500 So I think we have time to actually put this for a vote.

01:09:11.860 Now, it'll be interesting to see where the Democrats will join us.

01:09:14.520 Of all the crazy, I mean, just gobsmackingly crazy agenda items of the Democrat Party, the fact that they promoted this transgenderism agenda and allowed male athletes to compete against our girls is the most, like I say, just jaw-dropping of all of them. 0.99

01:09:33.360 So let's hope Democrats have seen the light and we can codify this so that the next crazy Democrat president doesn't go back to this transgenderism and put our girls and women at risk. 0.98

01:09:45.400 All right, when you say you think it's just a matter of timing, what does that mean?

01:09:48.220 Because, you know, we don't want to wait until after the midterms when we might not control both houses of Congress with sane people who will vote for this.

01:09:56.280 So what does that mean?

01:09:57.260 I mean, are you confident that Thune will bring it to the floor for a vote in the Senate?

01:09:59.980 Yeah, I'd be shocked if you didn't.

01:10:01.900 Again, Democrats are not cooperating on nominations, so we're having to run the clock.

01:10:06.720 And we have limited time for legislation right now.

01:10:09.300 It's all about confirming President Trump's nominees so they can start getting in there, cleaning out the deep state.

01:10:15.640 Again, I think the confirmation process is completely out of control.

01:10:18.900 I dramatically reduced the number of confirmed positions for both Democrat and Republican presidents, but that's not the state.

01:10:24.600 And so right now, top priorities, get these people in place, and we'll turn our attention to this.

01:10:30.660 Again, this would be a pretty, I think, a high priority bill to get on the Senate floor to at least put Democrats on notice, put them on record that they really want biological males to harm our girls. 0.66

01:10:43.180 I don't think that's a good vote for them.

01:10:44.340 Sixty-seven percent of Democrats are in favor of Trump's policy.

01:10:48.940 Sixty-seven percent of Democrats, 79 percent of the electorate as a whole.

01:10:52.220 So you should bring it to a floor.

01:10:53.800 Make them say no.

01:10:54.800 Make them say no before the midterms.

01:10:56.340 That would be really fun to watch.

01:10:58.840 A couple of things.

01:10:59.920 You mentioned you're in a big push to get Trump's nominees through.

01:11:03.240 Well, in the wake of the funding freezes that Trump issued early last week, both with respect to some foreign aid, now we've got the USAID controversy and other issues.

01:11:17.440 The Democrats have decided to make Russ vote the nominee for OMB, Office of Management and Budget, their new fall guy.

01:11:24.740 They don't want him to get through, but they can't stop him because he does have the votes.

01:11:28.680 So they're doing like a sleep-in.

01:11:32.380 I guess they can delay the vote by 30 hours.

01:11:36.780 Here is Chris Murphy, Democrat senator from Connecticut, on the sacrifice he and his staffers have made.

01:11:44.700 I took the 2 a.m.

01:11:46.760 Actually, it was on the floor about 1 a.m., so about 1 a.m. to 5 a.m. shift.

01:11:51.200 I slept on my couch for about two hours of fitful sleep.

01:11:55.760 I'm back up and headed off campus right now.

01:11:58.680 To talk about the danger of Trump's foreign policy, we don't rest.

01:12:03.560 We don't rest.

01:12:04.520 This is an urgent moment.

01:12:06.640 We have days or weeks to be able to mount an effective opposition to stop this slide away from democracy.

01:12:13.880 And so I thank all my colleagues who have been part of this important night, and we're going right back at it today.

01:12:21.120 They don't rest.

01:12:22.240 Senator, your response?

01:12:24.140 Big whoop, huh?

01:12:25.400 What a charade.

01:12:26.460 Again, they're not cooperating.

01:12:28.500 They're dragging their feet.

01:12:29.660 They're making us around the clock.

01:12:30.960 But Russ Vogt, by the way, one of the better, if not best, nominees for President Trump, because Russ is head of OMB.

01:12:39.580 He writes the rules, the regulations to implement a lot of what President Trump is trying to do.

01:12:44.860 And so he's just a key figure, highly experienced, very conservative.

01:12:49.180 So I'm a big Russ Vogt supporter.

01:12:52.500 Are you resting on the GOP?

01:12:54.700 Did you sleep on a cot?

01:12:57.680 We've done some of that stuff, too.

01:12:59.540 But again, really, I'm not into feudal in general.

01:13:02.500 Every now and then you just got to show your supporters you're willing to fight.

01:13:04.700 That's what Democrats are doing. 0.92

01:13:06.540 Like I say, big whoop.

01:13:07.760 It's no big deal.

01:13:09.400 Right.

01:13:09.780 They're yelling into the wind, which is a cleaned up version of the way that saying normally goes.

01:13:14.140 Senator, it's a pleasure.

01:13:15.760 Thanks so much for being here.

01:13:17.500 Thanks for having me on.

01:13:18.280 Have a great day.

01:13:19.520 You too.

01:13:19.980 Ron Johnson, everyone.

01:13:21.120 Okay.

01:13:21.400 Up next, Chuck Zito is here.

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01:13:25.020 Former Hell's Angel.

01:13:27.660 Bodyguard.

01:13:28.540 Stuntman.

01:13:29.240 Actor.

01:13:30.340 Friend of Trump.

01:13:31.500 I mean, he's a man of many trades.

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01:16:38.040 Stuntman, actor, celebrity bodyguard, martial arts expert, and former Hell's Angel.

01:16:48.620 That is just part of the colorful resume of my next guest, Chuck Zito.

01:16:53.100 You may remember Chuck caused quite a stir back in May when he was spotted at Trump's

01:16:58.660 business records trial in New York.

01:17:01.440 He was part of the Trump entourage.

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01:17:06.860 in court.

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01:17:14.460 Whether or not they were focusing on Trump's entourage, it's hard to tell.

01:17:18.960 I will say just as an observer in the courtroom, the entourage today is colorful.

01:17:23.260 You know, if you look at the entourage today, you see Alan Dershowitz, you see Chuck Zito,

01:17:27.700 the former president of the Hell's Angels.

01:17:29.240 This is a show of force.

01:17:31.020 This is deliberate.

01:17:32.240 And quite frankly, this is genius.

01:17:33.580 The Hell's Angels leader is a very large man wearing a very flamboyant suit.

01:17:39.240 Donald Trump had a new entourage supporting him in court today.

01:17:42.220 One of the people who showed up, actor Chuck Zito, used to lead the New York chapter of

01:17:46.380 the Hell's Angels.

01:17:47.420 That is amazing.

01:17:48.640 A large man in a flamboyant suit.

01:17:51.100 That clip is from a forthcoming documentary called Chuck Zito, An American Story.

01:17:57.440 Chuck, welcome back.

01:17:58.400 Great welcome.

01:17:59.100 Great to have you.

01:17:59.880 Thank you for having me.

01:18:00.880 How can people watch the documentary, first of all?

01:18:03.100 Well, it's not finished yet.

01:18:04.380 We just had the premiere at Mar-a-Lago last week.

01:18:09.920 We're going back to the change a few pieces in it.

01:18:14.500 Okay.

01:18:15.540 Because so many people are interested in it, like, you know, Netflix and Amazon Prime,

01:18:21.880 so many people.

01:18:22.460 So I was told by one of the networks to just, there was a couple of repeats in it, so we're

01:18:30.080 going back to the drawing board and tighten it up.

01:18:32.780 And we're going to have a premiere in April in New York.

01:18:36.600 Okay.

01:18:36.960 So it'll be perfect then.

01:18:38.840 I love it.

01:18:39.640 What do you make of that description of yourself?

01:18:41.820 Flamboyant man in a suit.

01:18:44.300 Yes.

01:18:44.640 Former Hell's Angel.

01:18:45.420 I mean, yes, somewhat.

01:18:47.020 Yeah.

01:18:47.600 Well.

01:18:48.980 You look good.

01:18:49.680 Thank you.

01:18:50.560 Thank you.

01:18:51.040 All right.

01:18:51.060 So I learned something in preparing for this interview that I did not know before.

01:18:54.200 I didn't know that, I mean, I knew Hellzines. 0.99

01:18:56.800 I always knew that they were kind of like bad boys, kind of cool, badass, but I didn't know

01:19:02.160 that there's some rumors that you, like, might have to kill somebody to become a part of the

01:19:05.600 Hell's Angels.

01:19:06.560 That's a myth.

01:19:07.980 That's not true.

01:19:08.460 That goes along with everybody.

01:19:09.180 No, of course not.

01:19:10.280 So what's, like, what are the Hell's Angels?

01:19:13.560 It's a motorcycle club.

01:19:14.980 You guys would get together to ride motorcycles.

01:19:16.980 You have to be admitted?

01:19:17.740 Well, you have to, there's a hang around process, then a prospecting process before you become

01:19:25.240 a member.

01:19:25.760 So you have to know someone to hang out first and then prospect and goes down the line.

01:19:33.560 Is it all Harleys?

01:19:35.720 Well, in the United States it is, but overseas, a lot of guys couldn't get Harleys.

01:19:40.640 And then now a lot of guys I've heard are using, some guys are using Indians and some

01:19:47.340 guys BMWs.

01:19:48.660 Okay.

01:19:48.880 But back in the day when I was there, it was all Harleys.

01:19:51.300 So you grew up where?

01:19:53.420 In the Bronx.

01:19:54.180 I was born in the Bronx, then moved to Brooklyn.

01:19:57.320 Yep.

01:19:58.120 My dad grew up in Brooklyn too.

01:19:59.500 And so, but, and we both lost our dads at young ages.

01:20:02.480 You were only 12.

01:20:03.740 Well, no, no, I was, actually, when I say I lost my dad, it was when they got divorced.

01:20:10.760 Oh, okay.

01:20:11.640 So.

01:20:11.880 Okay.

01:20:12.680 I was, then my, my dad lived to 78 and he died in 1998.

01:20:17.400 But when I say I lost my dad, it means that when they got divorced, I was always looking

01:20:22.240 up to my dad and I followed, tried to follow in his footsteps, being a boxer and everything.

01:20:25.940 And, uh, that's when I say I should have made a little clearer on the thing because people

01:20:30.460 think I'm 12 years old and I lost my dad.

01:20:33.160 I know, it was sweet.

01:20:34.220 Even my sister says, what do you mean?

01:20:35.680 Well, it sounded like you really looked up to him and he was.

01:20:37.900 Oh, absolutely.

01:20:38.400 You followed his footsteps into the boxing world.

01:20:41.080 My father was a great, great fighter back in the day in the thirties and the forties.

01:20:43.760 Uh, you know, years ago, guys had, you know, hundreds of fights.

01:20:50.420 My father had 228 fights, uh, back in the day in a 12 year career.

01:20:55.580 And won most of them.

01:20:56.660 Uh, he won a lot of them.

01:20:57.760 Absolutely.

01:20:58.120 He lost 20, but, uh, he used to get paid $10 a fight.

01:21:01.600 Now today to make it 400 million, one fight.

01:21:04.580 That's like Jimmy Braddock.

01:21:06.600 Yeah.

01:21:06.960 James Braddock.

01:21:07.720 Yeah.

01:21:07.960 It's like, like, like, you know, there's great fighters.

01:21:11.240 It's like, you know, uh, Floyd Mayweather.

01:21:13.140 He's 50 and O, but he's fighting like 28 years.

01:21:16.400 Right.

01:21:16.600 There's a guy named Harry Greb back in a day.

01:21:19.600 He, Floyd went 50 and O in 28 years.

01:21:23.020 Harry Greb went 52 and O in one year.

01:21:25.480 Oh my gosh.

01:21:27.240 So it's a big difference.

01:21:28.480 So you decided to follow the old man's footsteps and get into fighting?

01:21:32.320 Yes, of course.

01:21:33.420 Uh, growing up with, with, uh, my dad and his, uh, you know, I, I had, I was living in

01:21:38.920 the Bronx on Beretto street and Hunts Point at the time.

01:21:41.700 And, uh, it's even in my documentary, I was five years old and this guy, Butch, like from

01:21:46.840 the little rascals used to beat me up every day. 1.00

01:21:48.800 So I went crying home to my dad one, one time.

01:21:51.280 He said, don't ever come crying home to me.

01:21:53.160 He's going to teach you how to defend yourself.

01:21:54.980 So he pulled out his trunk and he had all this, you know, his gloves and his robe and

01:21:58.700 his headgear and everything in there.

01:22:00.480 And he put the gloves on me and my, the gloves went up to my elbows and he got on his knees

01:22:06.400 and started teaching me how to box.

01:22:07.840 You learn from the best.

01:22:08.760 Yeah.

01:22:09.360 So, so I noticed too, because there's a lot, there's a big group today that's very

01:22:15.080 into mixed martial arts and jujitsu in particular.

01:22:18.740 Yes.

01:22:19.200 People are loving.

01:22:20.340 I know Joe Rogan loves it.

01:22:21.780 I know, um, Jocko Willink, he came on the show and said, he believes we should all have

01:22:26.180 our kids learning jujitsu, not just for the physical, you know, nature of it and it's

01:22:31.660 self-defense, but the discipline, the mental discipline that comes with it and the respect

01:22:35.400 and you, how many black belts do you have?

01:22:37.280 I've, I've trained eight different styles in martial arts.

01:22:40.840 I first, after seeing Bruce Lee and the Green Hornet, I said, I want to be like Bruce.

01:22:46.160 So I went down to Aaron Brink's karate studio in New York city and started taking a white 1.00

01:22:52.000 crane and tiger claw Kung Fu with Mr. Chin from there.

01:22:55.120 You're very impressionable.

01:22:56.380 You saw the dad do the boxing, you did the boxing and you saw the Bruce Lee.

01:22:59.240 I'm glad you didn't watch Tootsie too many times.

01:23:01.300 Every time I saw someone like, uh, you know, Steve Reeves, he had, you know, it was, I think

01:23:08.440 the greatest body he, I saw him in Hercules, Hercules Unchained.

01:23:12.300 I said, I want to be, look like Steve.

01:23:15.000 And you love Superman too, right?

01:23:16.440 Superman.

01:23:16.940 Didn't I read that?

01:23:17.320 Mighty Mouse.

01:23:18.260 I used to do all that.

01:23:18.820 I saw you at Superman show every day after school.

01:23:20.860 It was in black and white.

01:23:21.640 They'd run the reruns.

01:23:22.640 Yes.

01:23:22.980 And, uh, with the original, you know, now it would look so dated to us.

01:23:26.800 Right.

01:23:27.040 But yeah, it was great at the time.

01:23:28.840 All right.

01:23:29.080 So you start doing the jujitsu or you start taking the martial arts?

01:23:31.720 So I was boxing for a long time.

01:23:34.160 Uh, after seeing Bruce Lee, of course, like I said, I started taking martial arts and I've

01:23:38.760 trained eight different styles of martial arts.

01:23:40.320 I went from, uh, uh, white crane and tiger claw Kung Fu to, uh, Chiquita jujitsu, committee

01:23:46.160 root jujitsu, BNS jitsu.

01:23:48.040 Oh wow.

01:23:48.460 I never even heard of that.

01:23:49.280 And I trained with, uh, uh, Enzo Gracie in Brazilian jujitsu.

01:23:52.980 So do you have a favorite of those?

01:23:54.980 Like if I'm going to have my kids take jujitsu, which one would it?

01:23:58.640 Well, you know, I, I also did a Japanese jujitsu, which is a form of everything, you know, ground,

01:24:04.080 grappling, boxing, everything.

01:24:05.420 But, uh, Brazilian jujitsu, let's face it.

01:24:07.920 They, the ones who brought it to the octagon, you know, the Gracie's, you know, they first

01:24:13.200 brought it here before, you know, Fatidas bought the UFC and Dan White became president.

01:24:19.040 Yep.

01:24:19.220 So, uh, it was, uh, guys like John Milius, the director, he designed the octagon and a

01:24:25.680 guy named Mark Davey who had the tough band contest back in the day.

01:24:28.480 So it was those three, the Gracie's and Art Davey and John Milius started the, uh, UFC.

01:24:34.860 So if you've got all these black belts and all this discipline in the martial arts, how

01:24:39.360 long would it take you to knock me out?

01:24:41.440 If, if you wanted to you, I've never hit a girl in my life.

01:24:44.220 If you had to, let's say like 30 seconds, 60 seconds, boom, he's flicking his fingers.

01:24:52.360 So that's true.

01:24:53.680 That's what, uh, um, uh, well, the show I did.

01:25:00.020 So he asked me how long would it take you to knock me out?

01:25:02.660 I said, it'd be over by now.

01:25:04.320 So it already would have happened.

01:25:05.860 Well, you're not afraid of, not a girl, but you're not afraid of punching a celebrity 0.65

01:25:10.320 because I've heard there was an incident with Jean-Claude Van Damme.

01:25:14.220 I've had a few.

01:25:15.260 What happened with him?

01:25:16.140 That's why I don't work that much.

01:25:18.260 What happened?

01:25:19.700 I was just, uh, you know, it was, we, we got along real well and we were, uh, I was

01:25:24.720 his bodyguard in 1992 and, uh, we went our separate ways and I didn't see him until six

01:25:31.240 years later.

01:25:31.740 And he came in with Mickey Rourke and like five guys in, in scores.

01:25:34.840 I was having dinner.

01:25:35.580 I'm familiar with scores.

01:25:36.820 Scores.

01:25:37.180 That's where all the beautiful women went to dance. 1.00

01:25:39.100 That was back in the day.

01:25:40.560 So we had a little argument and, uh, you know, I felt bad because I, I got so much, uh, publicity

01:25:49.800 from somebody else's misfortune.

01:25:51.700 So.

01:25:52.340 How did he upset you?

01:25:54.060 Uh, he just, uh, said something to, uh, one of the, one of the tenants in the, uh,

01:25:58.880 manager when he was in there.

01:26:00.240 He said disrespectful.

01:26:02.060 So I went up to him and.

01:26:04.040 About you.

01:26:04.840 You know what?

01:26:05.060 It happened.

01:26:06.220 Yeah.

01:26:06.580 Yeah.

01:26:06.740 It's a long time ago.

01:26:07.420 29 years ago, almost 30 years ago, but yeah, I like to talk about it.

01:26:11.420 An Italian thing.

01:26:12.100 Like you, you got offended.

01:26:13.320 He offended you.

01:26:14.060 Oh, of course.

01:26:14.600 Of course.

01:26:15.220 I mean, you know, you got to, uh, you know, back up your words.

01:26:20.120 So, and that's what happened.

01:26:21.400 So you went over and gave it to him.

01:26:23.440 Uh, yeah.

01:26:24.520 And he did not.

01:26:25.080 But it took 17 years for us to talk again.

01:26:27.640 So we're friends now.

01:26:29.400 And, uh, like I said, it happened so long ago.

01:26:32.240 Right.

01:26:32.360 He goes down.

01:26:34.420 No, you're, it's like, you don't want to insult him.

01:26:36.520 I understand.

01:26:36.880 That's sweet.

01:26:37.220 Yeah.

01:26:37.600 But most of us, the thought of punching Jean-Claude Van Damme is horrifying.

01:26:41.180 Um, we'd get punched back and it would not go well for us.

01:26:43.920 You have a lot of experience.

01:26:46.020 He insults you.

01:26:46.800 You take him down.

01:26:47.700 And then there's actually a really fun epilogue to the story.

01:26:50.620 17 years later.

01:26:52.020 17 years later.

01:26:52.960 Yes.

01:26:53.700 What happened?

01:26:54.860 I was actually at a, uh, uh, uh, Floyd Mayweather when he fought, uh, Pacquiao.

01:27:00.400 Pacquiao Mayweather fight.

01:27:02.460 And, uh, Floyd got out of the ring, went to his family first.

01:27:06.540 I was the second one he came up to.

01:27:07.760 He hugged me and they had the camera on me.

01:27:10.060 And so Jean-Claude was home with his, with his, um, daughter and, uh, Bianca.

01:27:17.780 And he goes, is that Chuck Zito?

01:27:19.000 She goes, yeah.

01:27:19.460 He goes, invite him to my, my document, my, not documentary, invite him to my movie.

01:27:23.420 He just came out with a new movie.

01:27:25.080 So I went and we saw each other and he says, thanks for coming.

01:27:28.600 I said, thanks for inviting me.

01:27:29.700 And we hugged and kissed each other.

01:27:31.160 And it was over after 17 years.

01:27:33.240 Good for him.

01:27:34.560 Yeah.

01:27:34.860 So we're friends.

01:27:36.480 That's great.

01:27:37.000 I hate to bring it up because it was so long ago.

01:27:38.760 No, you didn't.

01:27:39.260 I brought it up.

01:27:39.780 It's not your fault.

01:27:41.560 So you, but the reason he knew you prior to that whole incident, you pointed out was

01:27:44.900 you were his bodyguard.

01:27:45.940 So you took your background in learning self-defense and so on and parlayed that into like being

01:27:52.120 a celebrity bodyguard.

01:27:53.200 You bodyguarded some of the best.

01:27:55.000 Everybody could think of back in the day.

01:27:57.200 Liza Minnelli was my first client.

01:27:59.520 She's amazing.

01:28:00.180 So of course, uh, being around Liza, uh, when I met president Trump, we were at the same,

01:28:06.980 same restaurant, same clubs.

01:28:08.820 And of course we became friends and we've been friends over 40 years now.

01:28:12.260 She's in one of my and my husband's very favorite movies, Arthur.

01:28:16.180 Oh, she's hysterical.

01:28:17.920 That was amazing.

01:28:18.960 In that movie.

01:28:19.740 Yeah.

01:28:19.920 She used to be a huge, huge star. 1.00

01:28:21.840 Yeah.

01:28:22.020 So that's interesting.

01:28:22.820 You got like one foot into the celebrity world with her and that opened up lots of doors.

01:28:27.620 Yes.

01:28:27.880 A lot of doors, a lot of doors.

01:28:29.320 And she was doing a play called, uh, the rink with, uh, Chita Rivera at the Martin Beck

01:28:33.920 theater years ago.

01:28:34.920 So, so everybody came to see Liza.

01:28:38.360 I mean, you know, Elizabeth Taylor, Liberace, uh, Don Rickles, uh, you know, uh, Robert De

01:28:45.020 Niro, everybody, you know, Al Pacino, everybody came to see her.

01:28:48.440 So they had to go through me to get to her.

01:28:50.960 Wow.

01:28:51.340 So of course I met everybody and we all became friends all these years.

01:28:54.700 Who stands out as like a particularly great person?

01:28:58.360 You know what?

01:28:58.860 Everybody had their own character because everybody says who was the best one you worked for.

01:29:02.200 Everybody had their own character and their own, uh, you know, their own way.

01:29:07.440 And so.

01:29:08.100 Was there anybody like the guests who came to visit her who you didn't like?

01:29:12.560 Well, I know I, well, they were all, you know, superstars at the time.

01:29:15.960 But you know, you're a superstar, you can see the ones who were super nice, even to the

01:29:19.120 bodyguard and the ones who aren't.

01:29:20.780 Well, everybody was nice to me.

01:29:22.220 I have to admit it.

01:29:23.100 That's good.

01:29:23.540 So if they weren't, then we took it to the next level.

01:29:26.680 But I remember, uh, I used to wear rings when I was in a club on every finger and I was,

01:29:32.980 uh, Liberace came in and we were comparing rings.

01:29:35.620 Oh, wow.

01:29:36.180 Yeah.

01:29:36.700 Yeah.

01:29:36.860 What is this ring?

01:29:38.040 This is actually Elvis Presley's exact copy of Elvis Presley.

01:29:41.500 TCB.

01:29:41.760 Can you guys see it here?

01:29:42.660 See if you can see it.

01:29:44.440 I'm going to show it.

01:29:45.300 TCB.

01:29:46.280 What does that stand for?

01:29:47.180 Taking care of business and flesh.

01:29:48.720 Oh, it's beautiful.

01:29:49.700 It's very gold.

01:29:50.540 It's got, it's very large and it's got diamond, diamond front.

01:29:53.880 And I got to show it to you.

01:29:55.600 Okay.

01:29:55.840 Thank you.

01:29:56.300 Oh my gosh.

01:29:59.280 Must weigh five pounds.

01:30:01.040 It's, I just, just showed up to the camera.

01:30:02.700 Can see it.

01:30:03.700 Um, so this is Elvis Presley's.

01:30:06.300 It was exactly his is in the Graceland of course, but that's exactly the same.

01:30:10.780 I had it made in gold and everything like his, the original one.

01:30:15.160 That alone is self-defense.

01:30:16.700 Yeah.

01:30:17.020 That right there.

01:30:17.500 I would never.

01:30:18.200 Yeah.

01:30:18.420 But if you needed to.

01:30:19.100 Oh yeah.

01:30:19.320 There's another one.

01:30:20.160 What's that?

01:30:20.500 Boxing glove.

01:30:21.080 That was my, my father's ring.

01:30:22.620 Oh wow.

01:30:23.400 So there's, um, a scene in the movie where Sylvester Stallone, who I know you also bodyguarded,

01:30:29.780 must feel like a very big responsibility.

01:30:31.480 I mean, if he can't take care of it himself, it's a serious threat.

01:30:35.700 So it's gotta be.

01:30:36.880 I bodygued for Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Mike Tyson.

01:30:40.520 Wow.

01:30:40.940 They could take care of themselves, but they're not in a position to get involved.

01:30:44.440 There's somebody, of course.

01:30:45.820 Yeah.

01:30:46.220 Look what happened to Mike on a plane and everybody else.

01:30:48.800 So that just, well, and we saw Conor McGregor at the inauguration.

01:30:52.480 He had a bunch of bodyguards too, for the same reason.

01:30:54.400 Like, it's not that they, they can't protect themselves.

01:30:56.440 Look at Floyd.

01:30:56.980 He walks around with 10 guys.

01:30:58.240 I mean, you know.

01:30:58.560 Yeah.

01:30:59.220 You don't want to get sued.

01:31:01.360 Here's a bit from Sly and brother Frank in your documentary, Stop 44.

01:31:07.220 I guess it was at pretty much the height of my popularity.

01:31:10.700 So they overdid it, you know, with security.

01:31:14.120 You know, at the time, whoever was in charge of security said, oh, well, we need more people.

01:31:18.400 So, and Chuck and a few of his friends volunteered, and being a very outgoing guy, he struck up

01:31:24.920 a conversation.

01:31:25.880 I noticed, you know, we kind of looked like very similar, like brothers, in a sense.

01:31:30.560 Of course, he looked just like him.

01:31:31.980 We looked more like him than I did.

01:31:33.720 I was being hunted, and since we looked alike, I was hoping they'd shoot Chuck.

01:31:37.200 That was actually the motivation.

01:31:39.180 I gave him a t-shirt with a bullet dunk, a little bullseye.

01:31:41.840 Nice.

01:31:44.680 He's a great guy.

01:31:45.200 Now I know why he hired me.

01:31:46.400 Is he not a great guy?

01:31:47.500 Yes.

01:31:48.000 Yes.

01:31:48.400 He's a true gentleman.

01:31:49.680 Look, you know, he's brilliant.

01:31:52.460 Look at, he, you know, wrote Rocky back in the day, and nobody could do it but him.

01:31:58.220 And he was, he was brilliant.

01:32:00.120 He came, you know, the franchise, Rocky, Rambo, Expendables.

01:32:06.000 He's just a great guy, and very talented, and a great writer.

01:32:09.740 Absolutely.

01:32:10.100 He's, as he was speaking there, we heard a soundtrack pop in from Joan Jett.

01:32:14.840 Joan Jett.

01:32:15.340 And there's a reason we have Joan Jett.

01:32:17.440 She's also in the documentary talking about her relationship with you.

01:32:20.840 Here's a bit from Joan.

01:32:22.280 This is great.

01:32:23.000 And to Ben, the next time we saw him was, was in, in Japan.

01:32:26.620 That whole tour that we did, we went to tour in Japan in 1985.

01:32:32.560 We had them in, in our crew.

01:32:36.500 And the way I looked at it is they were doing security.

01:32:40.100 And had to do it for us at some points.

01:32:43.780 Okay.

01:32:44.260 So, just the fact that you know Joan Jett is so cool.

01:32:46.200 Like, she's just cool.

01:32:47.280 She's, she's, you know, she's the queen of rock and roll. 1.00

01:32:51.440 Yeah.

01:32:51.620 She started at 1500 Runways, and then broke off and did Joan Jett and the Blackhearts. 0.50

01:32:56.960 Mm-hmm.

01:32:57.500 And-

01:32:58.300 All of her music is still Turn Up the Dye.

01:33:00.020 Oh, absolutely.

01:33:01.460 Absolutely.

01:33:01.980 And she does all, all the music for my, my documentary.

01:33:04.620 These people must really like you to have appeared in the film.

01:33:07.800 You know, because it's one thing, like, I've had lots of bodyguards here or there at various

01:33:12.200 events.

01:33:12.540 I, I'm not sure, like, they'd ever call me to be in one of their movies.

01:33:16.340 Yeah.

01:33:16.620 So, how do you maintain, like, what happens there?

01:33:18.960 Well, you know, every, like I said, everybody I, I, I worked for, we had a great relationship

01:33:25.480 and, uh, we became friends.

01:33:27.500 Like, like I said, Liza was my first, uh, my first client.

01:33:31.600 Uh, Sly Sloan became my friend.

01:33:33.860 We became good friends.

01:33:34.860 And I just asked these people if they would, uh, come on and do my documentary.

01:33:39.580 And not, not, not one hesitation.

01:33:42.380 Wow.

01:33:42.720 Everybody came and, uh, and did it.

01:33:44.980 And, uh.

01:33:45.720 Cause you, in between the boxing and the martial arts and the bodyguarding, there was a stint,

01:33:51.100 she mentioned Japan, where.

01:33:52.500 Yes.

01:33:52.960 You went, there was some brief time in the slammer.

01:33:56.040 Yes.

01:33:56.140 It was brief.

01:33:56.980 I spent, uh, four months in a Japanese prison.

01:33:59.340 Okay.

01:34:00.320 Wasn't, wasn't good.

01:34:01.520 But I was locked down 23 hours a day.

01:34:05.060 So, and they put you out.

01:34:06.560 In Japan.

01:34:07.300 And then you had to come back here and go to jail.

01:34:08.940 Then I came back here.

01:34:10.520 But, uh, the worst prison in the United States is like a country club compared to Japan. 0.98

01:34:15.540 Oh, really?

01:34:16.080 Yeah.

01:34:17.140 Well, I was like my first time in jail.

01:34:18.600 I said, well, I hope they're not all the prisoners like this.

01:34:21.180 They were accusing you of a drug crime.

01:34:23.200 Yes.

01:34:23.680 Okay.

01:34:24.040 I was indicted for making a telephone call to a guy who sold a pound of methamphetamine.

01:34:29.420 I never made the phone call.

01:34:30.460 I was in British Columbia making a movie called Year of the Dragon.

01:34:33.740 I showed them my, my, my, my receipts, my, my phone bills, everything.

01:34:37.700 But they wanted me because at the time I was the president of the club and my club, you know,

01:34:42.280 Hells Angels Nomads.

01:34:43.360 Mm-hmm.

01:34:44.640 And, uh, the government wants you to go and get you.

01:34:47.000 Yeah.

01:34:47.320 That's absolutely right.

01:34:48.440 Of course, they want you to, well, you know, talk on your friends and all.

01:34:51.840 And of course, you know, I wouldn't.

01:34:53.940 And I wound up getting, uh, a phone count is four years.

01:34:57.920 The judge gave me 10.

01:34:59.200 Wow.

01:34:59.560 So I won't get anything.

01:35:01.480 Is it true you went to like 18 different prisons though in that time?

01:35:04.040 19.

01:35:04.840 Why so many?

01:35:06.620 Well, I had a few, uh, problems with some people and, uh, every time you have a fight,

01:35:11.160 they transfer you because they didn't want retaliation.

01:35:13.960 Shock.

01:35:14.440 So I had probably 10 good fights in prison.

01:35:16.900 Whoa.

01:35:17.560 Yeah.

01:35:18.300 You're one of the few people who wasn't afraid going in.

01:35:20.320 Yeah.

01:35:20.740 But this becomes kind of relevant to your friendship with Trump.

01:35:24.440 I mean, when he got indicted on, you know, criminal charges for his alleged bookkeeping

01:35:31.020 errors.

01:35:31.860 Yeah.

01:35:32.340 You, it must've struck home in a particular way.

01:35:34.440 Like I said, I went to his trials and, uh, we've been friends for a long time and, uh,

01:35:38.920 what they've done to him, you could never, I would never imagine it in a, you know, a

01:35:46.920 hundred years that they could do that to a former president and one who's, you know, running

01:35:51.560 now, how'd you guys meet?

01:35:53.640 We met at, uh, basically, uh, we met at a restaurant at first and then I was with Liza

01:35:58.640 and they, they've been friends for a long time.

01:36:01.020 And of course, three or 54, we saw each other.

01:36:04.040 So everybody used to go there back in the day, everybody, you know, somebody was always

01:36:08.800 there.

01:36:09.580 So, and, uh, I used to work also a cafe central uptown and every, no matter what night it

01:36:17.100 was, you'd see 10, 10 actors there, you know, Eliza Minnelli and, and, and,

01:36:21.560 and, uh, Bruce Willis was the bartender.

01:36:24.300 Oh, no way.

01:36:24.880 Yeah.

01:36:25.220 He used to make me eight creams.

01:36:26.680 You're kidding me.

01:36:27.620 Before he was a big star.

01:36:29.000 Sure.

01:36:29.160 So, and everybody was there.

01:36:31.120 Eliza Minnelli, Cher, uh, uh, Peter Regat, uh, Treat Williams, uh, John Goodman.

01:36:36.500 Yeah.

01:36:37.020 Uh, De Niro, Pacino, uh, Joe Pesci.

01:36:39.680 Everybody used to go to cafe central and Trump and Trump.

01:36:44.360 So you maintained a friendship all this time.

01:36:46.780 Always.

01:36:47.240 He's in the documentary.

01:36:48.240 We have a little bit of him.

01:36:49.340 Um, do we?

01:36:50.040 Yes, we, I think we do.

01:36:51.040 Yeah.

01:36:51.560 I saw him.

01:36:52.580 Oh, we don't have the clip, but I saw him.

01:36:54.240 And he goes on and on about you and how much he likes you.

01:36:56.780 It is so great.

01:36:57.660 I mean, I am so blessed and honored that he did it for me.

01:37:01.560 You got to realize he's the president of the United States.

01:37:03.920 He's the most powerful man in the world.

01:37:05.300 And he opens and closes my documentary.

01:37:08.120 He's loyal.

01:37:08.660 So I am so, you know, honored and, uh, humbled that he did that.

01:37:12.540 And he's loyal.

01:37:13.340 So why'd you feel it was important to go to the trial?

01:37:15.500 Because he was getting railroaded and I, I, I want to stick up for him.

01:37:20.320 I stick up for my friends and I want to show my support and, uh, you know, support him.

01:37:27.640 I mean, uh, they charge him with all these, you know, phony charges and everything.

01:37:32.480 And we know that.

01:37:34.420 So, uh, and we know, I don't care what they say when he was at, that, that, uh, um, was fixed.

01:37:43.820 You know, when he, when he, when he election 20, absolutely.

01:37:46.340 You do not believe it.

01:37:47.380 We all went to sleep.

01:37:49.040 President Trump was winning.

01:37:50.500 We woke up and Biden was a president who never campaigned.

01:37:54.880 So it was all fixed.

01:37:57.640 I say that.

01:37:58.600 And I still say it.

01:37:59.240 And what did you think on November 5th when you saw the returns coming in?

01:38:03.560 Oh, I was there.

01:38:04.560 I was at the, uh, Mar-a-Lago.

01:38:06.220 Uh, no, I was at Washington for, uh, when he, uh, won, of course.

01:38:10.660 And I was just, uh, I mean, we're all just, he's, as far as I'm concerned, he's the greatest

01:38:17.140 president we ever had in the United States.

01:38:20.520 He, he, he, uh, you know, promises and keeps it.

01:38:27.020 And, uh, he's just great.

01:38:28.660 I mean, you're, you spent a whole life between the hell's angels, not to mention the prison

01:38:32.500 time, the boxing, the mixed martial arts, the bodyguarding.

01:38:37.180 Yes.

01:38:37.900 How does, I mean, Trump's also extremely tough.

01:38:41.100 Yes.

01:38:41.620 So how, you know about tough guys.

01:38:43.400 I call him a savage because he is, uh, who any other president or anybody else who got,

01:38:51.200 we get shot.

01:38:51.740 They'd be under that counter there.

01:38:53.300 Uh, and that he got up, he's wait, wait.

01:38:55.160 When he put up fight, fight, fight, he's just, I mean, there's nobody like him.

01:39:01.140 He's just so, so nothing fazes them.

01:39:04.200 I mean, uh, and they tried to, and you know what, to get the, when I'm crazy, it gets

01:39:10.540 me that people say it was staged.

01:39:12.920 Oh, it's infuriating.

01:39:14.060 You know what?

01:39:15.260 Corey Campitore lost his life shielding his family.

01:39:18.080 That's right.

01:39:18.640 The other two, two guys were shot also.

01:39:21.360 And they think he's going to say, do me a favor, just nick my ear.

01:39:24.520 I know.

01:39:25.240 It's ridiculous.

01:39:25.840 It's ridiculous.

01:39:26.440 And that's how some people think.

01:39:27.660 And that's what gets me infuriated.

01:39:28.800 It's such an insult.

01:39:30.020 It's, it's, it is an insult.

01:39:31.780 And, uh, it's people still, a lot of them, he's doing the first hour he was elected.

01:39:39.060 I mean, he started signing the orders and, and he's going to change his country around

01:39:42.780 back to where it was.

01:39:44.360 Have you seen like a big change from the Donald Trump you knew back in the day at, you know,

01:39:49.240 the cocktail lounges and the one who you see now?

01:39:52.900 Oh, well, you know what?

01:39:54.220 He's, he's the same guy to me, but he's just so strong.

01:39:57.640 And like I said, he's resilient.

01:39:59.660 He's nobody like him.

01:40:02.360 And, uh, I love the guy.

01:40:03.680 I mean, I'd do anything for him, but, uh, we've never had a president like him.

01:40:08.480 And you got to realize years ago, I never got involved with who was the president.

01:40:13.460 Who cared?

01:40:14.460 It wasn't to president Trump.

01:40:15.980 It was the first time I ever voted.

01:40:17.580 And I really, first time I never cared before.

01:40:21.240 And till the day he became president, I mean, all those other people and all those woke

01:40:26.840 people, all those phony people out there, they didn't like him.

01:40:29.520 But, uh, like I said, I never cared about who was president before, but they talked since

01:40:36.140 the day he became president, they have not stopped talking about him.

01:40:39.760 All these, every day you heard president Trump, president Trump and everything else.

01:40:44.900 But as far as I'm concerned, he's the greatest president we ever had.

01:40:48.280 Well, he obviously, and he's for the American people in America.

01:40:51.940 And he's for you because, I mean, he's very busy man to take the time out to appear in

01:40:56.100 this film.

01:40:56.800 All these people.

01:40:57.840 I think that's something extraordinary about you, Chuck.

01:40:59.740 And I really enjoyed the story.

01:41:01.020 You're, you are a colorful, colorful character.

01:41:03.600 I can see why so many have gravitated towards you.

01:41:06.240 All right.

01:41:06.380 So keep us abreast on when it's actually going to hit and where, and we will update the audience

01:41:09.940 so that they can enjoy what I enjoyed.

01:41:12.180 So nice to have you here.

01:41:13.780 Thank you.

01:41:14.360 Nice to meet you.

01:41:15.580 Thank you.

01:41:16.180 You remind me of me because you say exactly what's on your mind, no matter who likes it.

01:41:19.880 I'm the same way.

01:41:20.980 I'm honored.

01:41:21.680 I've been a fan, big fan of yours for years.

01:41:23.600 Thank you very much.

01:41:24.680 I, I really appreciate it.

01:41:25.920 Thank you for having me again.

01:41:27.760 We'll do it all over again when the actual film hits.

01:41:29.480 Thank you.

01:41:30.380 Wow.

01:41:30.860 Right.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - February 06, 2025

Trump's Momentous Girls' Sports Exec Order, CBS Reveals Kamala Edits, and RFK's Odds, with Andrew Klavan, Ron Johnson, and Chuck Zito ｜ Ep. 1001

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