The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump's Newsy ＂Person of the Year＂ Interview, Caitlin Clark Bends the Knee, and Mysterious Jersey ＂Drones,＂ with Ruthless

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.180 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.460 It's Time Magazine's Person of the Year Day, and it's going to be a very MAGA Christmas this year.

00:00:22.040 President-elect Trump graced the cover and sat for a lengthy interview that had several newsy moments.

00:00:27.520 We'll get into that in a minute, plus the latest on the Trump cabinet nomination process.

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00:02:04.160 Guys, welcome back to the show.

00:02:06.120 Thank you so much. We're sorry for our unprofessionalism.

00:02:08.880 We have one colleague who, shall we say, is a little bit of a diva.

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00:02:18.180 All right. So there's a lot to talk about today.

00:02:20.540 The Time magazine piece, of course, first of all, of course, it's Donald Trump.

00:02:26.460 I mean, I tweeted out saying, obviously, the finalists included Kamala Harris, which would have been an absurdity.

00:02:35.720 Even if Trump lost, you could make the case that it should have been Trump, given, you know, the assassination attempt and all of that.

00:02:41.960 But, I mean, you have to stop for a moment and just say, what a turnaround.

00:02:46.380 I mean, Time magazine had that picture on the cover of him with the golf cart right before the election, a trouble,

00:02:53.400 and was part of the media that was calling him Hitler and fascist.

00:02:58.420 And now, person of the year, how did you do it, Mr. President?

00:03:03.340 What do we make of it?

00:03:04.960 Well, I was sort of pleased that Time magazine still prints a printed issue.

00:03:09.240 You know, it's only like when you see an actual noteworthy person like Donald Trump being man of the year that you know that they actually still print the magazine.

00:03:17.140 I didn't know that previously.

00:03:19.660 Yeah, I mean, there may be a handful of faded issues sitting on like a Jiffy Lube coffee table out there somewhere.

00:03:25.000 But to be honest with you, Megan, your reaction obviously is the right one.

00:03:29.700 I mean, Trump is the man of the year.

00:03:32.180 We didn't need Time magazine to tell us that.

00:03:34.720 I think it's sort of an outdated credential from a legacy media property that's been a cadaver for who knows how long.

00:03:42.100 Like the last time I actually picked up a Time magazine, it might have been during the cloning debate in the 90s.

00:03:48.940 And he dominated news, highs and lows.

00:03:52.420 I mean, this is a guy who was indicted, what, 47 times in three jurisdictions over the early part of this year.

00:03:59.140 You know, two attempted assassination attempts.

00:04:01.620 He clinches the nomination, all of these sort of things, and then, you know, becomes president of the United States again.

00:04:06.120 And I don't think there's any man in American politics who's been more doubted than Donald Trump.

00:04:12.300 And he proved everyone wrong.

00:04:13.780 I had my doubts myself at various times when it didn't look so super good for him.

00:04:17.820 Right.

00:04:18.380 The man overcame all of it.

00:04:19.780 Yeah.

00:04:20.300 No question.

00:04:21.140 I mean, I will say for the record, I said it was going to be Trump all along.

00:04:24.400 Did I?

00:04:25.720 Do you guys remember that?

00:04:26.640 I mean, I said it was going to be him.

00:04:27.660 Of course.

00:04:28.240 Very prescient.

00:04:28.840 Who won the nomination.

00:04:30.460 Yeah.

00:04:30.920 And the election.

00:04:31.560 Um, so he does make a fair amount of news in the interview that, you know, he gave them an interview in connection with the, um, with the selection.

00:04:41.460 And one of the things he says is they get into how he decided on his abortion stance to leave it to the states.

00:04:47.900 And apparently this is what they report.

00:04:49.620 He was in the private cabin of his plane flying on April 2nd to a campaign rally in Grand Rapids, Michigan, when he picked up a document that Susie Wiles, campaign manager, now chief of staff, had placed atop a stack of papers.

00:05:00.200 The heading was not subtle.

00:05:02.340 How a national abortion ban will cost Trump the election.

00:05:05.500 Trump raised his eyebrows, quote, kind of a nasty title, huh?

00:05:08.540 He said before he considered the memo, Trump had been on the verge of supporting a 16 week federal abortion ban.

00:05:15.940 Think about that, how that could have changed this election.

00:05:19.380 Conway, Kellyanne Conway is another advisor, had showed him polling, indicating that barring the procedure after 16 weeks was more popular.

00:05:29.540 Other than making the limit 24.

00:05:32.580 But Trump's speech writer and policy advisor, Vince Haley, had raised an objection on a late March conference call, according to three people present.

00:05:41.820 Quote, does he know that the 16 week ban will be stricter than existing law in a lot of the states?

00:05:47.020 There was a silence.

00:05:48.280 Hmm, probably not, said Trump's political director, James Blair.

00:05:52.000 After flipping through Blair's presentation on the plane, Trump perked his head up.

00:05:56.120 So we leave it up to the states, right?

00:05:58.080 Advisors agreed.

00:05:59.240 Great, said Trump.

00:06:00.660 We'll do a video.

00:06:01.640 Within a few minutes, he was dictating his remarks to Haley.

00:06:05.160 I do believe you guys were on this show right after he did that, right?

00:06:09.980 We had a debate about his stance on abortion, how it had disappointed some of the more established conservatives in the party, but defended it here as smart politics.

00:06:21.580 Given the state of the electorate, the mood of the country on this issue, it is amazing how Trump got a couple of data points.

00:06:28.800 You know, everything for him is transactional.

00:06:31.100 This one's not deep in his core.

00:06:33.680 He's like, what's going to get me elected?

00:06:36.160 And that's where he landed.

00:06:38.720 Yeah, well, I mean, it goes to show a couple of things.

00:06:40.980 One is that he was getting good advice on this campaign all the way through.

00:06:45.000 I mean, they ran a really good campaign.

00:06:46.800 And all you can ever ask for any candidate that's running an office of that level is to get a myriad of viewpoints and paint the full picture before a decision is made.

00:06:56.120 Sounds like in this case, that's exactly what he got on a very contentious issue.

00:07:00.080 It's also where he landed is consistent with where the American people have been for 50 years, right?

00:07:06.640 I mean, you've had this Roe v. Wade decision that had this big sort of federal overlap over all the states legalizing abortion, preventing any sort of restrictions there within the states.

00:07:18.320 And then when that was overturned, it was kicked back to everything the pro-life movement had argued for those 40 years, that it should go back to states and localities and people should make these decisions on their own.

00:07:28.560 There shouldn't be this one sided federal government that flips back and forth every four years, depending upon who wins elections, outlawing something as significant as abortion in here.

00:07:38.400 So I think he landed, honestly, in the only place that you could land on a really contentious issue like this in the context of the two years after Dobbs and the first presidential election since.

00:07:49.660 It saved him, given how much she highlighted that issue and how big it became, even with Trump saying, I'm not going to touch it.

00:07:58.440 It was a huge campaign issue. Imagine if he had been pushing a 16 week ban.

00:08:03.060 I mean, it really could have changed the course of this election.

00:08:05.780 Here's another couple nuggets. Pretty interesting.

00:08:08.260 How advisors got him to stop bashing early voting.

00:08:13.360 Oh, look who's here.

00:08:18.920 Smuggle's worth, ladies and gentlemen.

00:08:21.280 Johnny, come smugly, has shown up for the party.

00:08:24.640 Great to see you.

00:08:26.020 Good to be here.

00:08:26.720 And just for President Trump, please ban all motorcades in D.C. while the Megyn Kelly show is being recorded.

00:08:33.400 I greatly appreciate that.

00:08:35.080 It's a simple request, sir.

00:08:38.260 How he they got him to stop bashing early voting.

00:08:42.060 This was such an irritant for almost every Republican who's been watching elections.

00:08:50.340 Why is he bashing early voting?

00:08:52.700 It is the only way we're ever going to win again.

00:08:56.000 You know, run up the vote.

00:08:57.180 Get our people in there early.

00:08:58.400 Don't don't bank on Election Day voting because it rains.

00:09:01.700 They have sick kids, work calls, whatever.

00:09:04.300 And sure enough, this time around, the Republicans did show up early and Trump won.

00:09:08.300 So it was such a hard thing.

00:09:10.120 It's not like Trump hadn't heard that it's a good idea to encourage Republicans to vote early.

00:09:14.700 He just wouldn't do it.

00:09:16.100 He just refused.

00:09:16.940 In his core, he seemed to believe fraud happens if you mail in your vote or if you vote before Election Day.

00:09:22.360 And what they report is that it took a visit from Rob Gleeson, former chair of the Pennsylvania Republican Party, to frame the matter in terms that made Trump agree.

00:09:31.840 And I have to say, this is brilliant.

00:09:34.940 This is brilliant because this is how you have to talk to Trump, you know, to sort of get through to him the way his mind works.

00:09:39.820 Sir, your people are so excited to vote for you that they want to vote as soon as they can, Gleeson told him during an April meeting at Mar-a-Lago, according to two top Trump officials familiar.

00:09:52.700 They don't want to wait, but you got to tell him it's OK.

00:09:55.920 You got to give him permission.

00:09:57.100 From then on, Trump promoted absentee and early voting and directed the RNC to launch a mobilization drive targeting male voters.

00:10:05.520 That's so good.

00:10:06.680 Your people are so excited to vote for you.

00:10:09.820 They want to do it as soon as they can.

00:10:12.580 You just got to give them the green light like they're chomping at the bit, sir.

00:10:16.940 You know, give the people what they want, which is to vote Trump at the earliest second possible.

00:10:23.420 It's a show of enthusiasm for you.

00:10:26.140 And that was the way in that worked, guys.

00:10:29.020 Yeah.

00:10:30.080 You'll go.

00:10:30.780 Yeah.

00:10:30.980 Well, I mean, it happens to be true.

00:10:33.180 I mean, everybody was excited to get out and vote for him.

00:10:35.800 That's why he won the popular vote.

00:10:37.440 And there was some confusion about whether that people should be voting early, whether they shouldn't be voting early.

00:10:42.460 When Trump announced that he was for it, it not only cleared up the confusion, but what he built and what they built at the RNC to turn out the vote was monumental.

00:10:52.580 Charlie Kirk did a lot on this.

00:10:53.960 And in Pennsylvania, what a contrast between how President Trump listened to a guy from Pennsylvania who was telling him how to win the state and Kamala Harris, who refused to even put the governor of Pennsylvania on her ticket.

00:11:07.300 It was a real difference maker.

00:11:08.740 And the one other thing I'll say, Megan, there's a common theme here with the two topics that you pulled out of this article.

00:11:14.720 The first one, Trump knew he needed to win and he wanted to win so bad he's willing to do anything.

00:11:20.680 Same thing with this.

00:11:21.720 He knew that he had to do something different to change the outcome this time and not have it taken from him the way Democrats did in 2020.

00:11:29.700 Yeah, I will say I had a little bit of experience with this because I remember, you know, I had the opportunity to have a lot of visits with President Trump in his first term.

00:11:38.380 And towards the end, when states were changing all of their voting rules to try to accommodate COVID, and as we've since found out, many of them totally irresponsibly and without proper controls and anything else, he was watching all that in real time.

00:11:54.820 And so his reaction to early voting, like it is a whole bunch of issues.

00:12:00.280 One of the reasons why I think he's going to be a really good president the second four years, it's based on a life experience.

00:12:05.220 It wasn't – he didn't spend a life watching politics and watching turnout mechanisms and being an operative.

00:12:11.200 He knew what he experienced in 2020 when people were changing all kinds of early voting rules that obviously benefited Democrats a great deal, and he knew he opposed that.

00:12:20.380 And so I think you recontextualize that now to a whole bunch of states that actually put in safeguards and had competent elections, California notwithstanding, Arizona you can make some questions about, although they got to the right spot.

00:12:36.280 Ultimately, once those are in place, you can make a very logical case, and this is not something he had an ideological opposition to in the sense of his own election.

00:12:44.920 He just knew how it worked out the first time.

00:12:46.700 Well, and if you look back to previous elections before Donald Trump, the Republican Party won elections in states like Arizona on the backbone of their turnout operation, which was absentee by mail and early vote in person.

00:13:00.100 And so getting back to that, of course, was a huge advantage in 2020 because Trump said only vote on Election Day.

00:13:06.840 It was like swinging a weighted bat.

00:13:08.680 Like we made it harder on ourselves.

00:13:10.220 And then lo and behold, he does this, and he wins the popular vote, not just all of the battleground swing states.

00:13:16.960 And then I want to say as well, you know, I think Trump did a great job getting on board with absentee by mail and early vote.

00:13:22.820 But what a fantastic messenger was J.D. Vance.

00:13:26.100 J.D. Vance did an incredible job on the stump, on the trail, talking about the mechanics of early voting and absentee by mail.

00:13:32.500 Never missed an opportunity.

00:13:33.580 Never missed an opportunity.

00:13:34.860 Never missed a media hit to mention it.

00:13:36.500 He did a fantastic job.

00:13:38.340 I'm smart.

00:13:38.960 He's a smart man.

00:13:39.580 He knew what it would take and didn't have the, you know, trauma that Trump had from 2020 to stop him on the messaging.

00:13:48.460 Now, speaking of 2020, he was asked about what he's going to do on day one.

00:13:53.160 And he said one of the first acts that he will take will be to pardon most of the rioters on J6.

00:14:00.900 And he said it will start.

00:14:02.820 It's going to start in the first hour, maybe the first nine minutes, he says,

00:14:07.560 the pardons of the J6 rioters.

00:14:10.900 It's interesting that it's most, it's most of the J6 rioters.

00:14:16.740 It's not all, which I have no problem with.

00:14:19.740 I have to say, like, I don't want to see pardons of people who assaulted cops.

00:14:24.080 I really don't.

00:14:24.860 That's no.

00:14:25.800 But all these people who just wandered in there and many of whom were welcomed by security and then walked around the Capitol for a short time and then left.

00:14:36.160 I mean, this it's ridiculous.

00:14:37.520 These people have been made prisoners for years.

00:14:41.420 Like they've paid their their dues and then some on any alleged bad acts.

00:14:46.340 But this will be very controversial and will be if he does it within the first nine minutes,

00:14:52.320 as promised, one of the first acts that turns the media back on to TDS and hating him and writing nothing but bad things about him.

00:15:04.600 Sure.

00:15:04.800 Well, I think, you know, Joe Biden expressed it very well.

00:15:07.920 There are concerns that the Justice Department did to politicize actions and go out, you know, political enemies.

00:15:13.420 So under that advisement from Joe Biden, I think Trump is well within his bounds to act if he believes the same way Joe Biden really did break the seal.

00:15:21.500 That's it.

00:15:22.040 You know, I mean, I think this would be a lot more controversial if not for Joe Biden and Hunter Biden and how he's used and how he framed it.

00:15:29.860 I mean, you're exactly right.

00:15:30.780 He framed it as though his son was the target of a political prosecution without mentioning, you know, 47 indictments against his political opponent or all the J6ers or everything else.

00:15:40.560 But it opened up this discussion in a way where you could see a very reasonable way of handling all of that.

00:15:46.960 I will say, like, I agree with you, Megan, the violent offenders here, people that, you know, had a sinister intent on J6 and they were hitting cops with flagpoles.

00:15:57.020 I don't think that's what we're talking about here.

00:15:59.440 And so, you know, who sort of like throw up their hands and oh, my gosh, I can't believe it.

00:16:04.260 I don't think that's true.

00:16:05.320 And that's coming from somebody who had an awful lot of friends who were in that building, who had doors barricaded with desks in front of it, with people trying to break it down.

00:16:13.980 Like it was very personal for a lot of us who knew people that were in that situation.

00:16:18.120 And there were bad actors for sure.

00:16:20.480 But the vast majority of them were not.

00:16:23.240 And they were handled by the Justice Department as though they were the ones that were kicking in doors.

00:16:27.860 And the courts told us that some of those sentencing guidelines were, you know, excessive.

00:16:33.080 Yeah, we already learned all that.

00:16:35.300 It's been four years.

00:16:36.720 It's been four years.

00:16:37.940 Right.

00:16:38.240 If you paraded through the Capitol on January 6th, you shouldn't be in prison after four years.

00:16:43.420 I mean, that just seems crazy.

00:16:45.080 Some people were numbskulls and got treated like they were dangerous felons.

00:16:50.020 And some people were completely clueless that they were even violating laws or weren't even supposed to be up there.

00:16:56.180 There is a large category of people in that group, which the left won't admit.

00:16:59.740 So this is an interesting thing because I was talking to Paul Murray of Sky News.

00:17:04.720 I go on his show once a week in Australia.

00:17:06.920 Great guy.

00:17:07.860 About how the media has been kind of quiet lately about Trump.

00:17:11.680 And he was asking, do you think in America they're going to give him a chance at a second term that's not marred by constant demonization of Trump?

00:17:20.660 And I said, no, no.

00:17:22.560 No, they're quiet because Trump's been relatively quiet.

00:17:25.800 And I do think Trump's in a better mood and he's a little bit calmer and a little wiser and speaking in a way that's more magnanimous and unifying.

00:17:32.320 None of that's going to last.

00:17:33.740 It's just not going to.

00:17:35.180 That's not America.

00:17:36.160 You guys are in this mix as much as I am, the political mix.

00:17:39.180 And you guys and I both know the J-6 pardons are going to be hugely controversial, even though Hunter Biden.

00:17:46.500 And then we're going to get to immigration and we're going to get to deportation of families, children.

00:17:54.040 That was another thing he said, immigration plans.

00:17:56.440 He will order U.S. law enforcement agencies and potentially the military to embark on a massive deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from this country.

00:18:06.420 Now, I know the American public supports it, but the media doesn't and the media is not going to want to see it.

00:18:12.160 And they need to fill their papers and their broadcasts with news every day.

00:18:16.120 And that news is not going to be Trump's doing a good thing.

00:18:18.920 It's just not going to.

00:18:20.780 So the other thing he said in this, before I give it to you guys, is he doesn't plan to restore the policy of separating children from their families.

00:18:28.900 But he says, I don't believe we'll have to because we'll send the whole family back.

00:18:33.000 That's what Homan said, too.

00:18:34.180 And then adds and says, I would much rather deport them together.

00:18:37.820 And then finally says, look, with respect to the general prohibition against using the military to enact deportations or to, you know, against civilians.

00:18:48.380 He says he will use the military to round up and deport these illegal migrants.

00:18:52.720 He says it does not stop using the military if you're dealing with an invasion of this country.

00:18:58.620 And then there is another report we've seen this before, that his advisers are planning to build more detention centers to hold the migrants until they can be deported.

00:19:05.860 It can't happen in a day.

00:19:07.940 So you're going to have the media will call them camps.

00:19:10.900 It'll be treated like a concentration camp.

00:19:12.800 We'll have video of AOC down there in her white outfit again, looking at the children crying and you're going to show the J6 prisoners getting out while the children are somehow in camps.

00:19:26.640 And the narrative will start and everything will deteriorate back down to its normal, terrible status.

00:19:33.400 I mean, I think you said a few very critical things.

00:19:36.720 Number one, the vast majority of Americans agree with this action, that the law should be followed.

00:19:41.440 If you enter the country illegally, you've broken the law and the law says you have to go back.

00:19:46.340 And I think there's already been a precedent of how the media is going to be completely biased in this very subject.

00:19:52.640 When we saw images of, oh, my gosh, they've put children in cages, and then it's revealed that actually that photo was shot under the Obama administration.

00:20:00.400 You know, you saw the pod roast out about it.

00:20:02.560 They didn't realize they were working for the guy who did that.

00:20:05.080 So the media has no problem lying and trying to color Trump as being some kind of a dictator going after innocent people.

00:20:11.860 Trump is doing what the American people asked, which is returning these people who entered the country illegally.

00:20:16.340 Right. You said at the top, Megan, you know, they got to fill their newspapers with something.

00:20:20.080 Wouldn't it be great if the headline at the top of The New York Times says Trump doing what voters elected him to do?

00:20:26.940 The vast majority of Americans agree with the policy of deportation, which would be factual and accurate.

00:20:33.060 But you're right. I mean, it is going to cost him some political capital after all of these stories and the talk of, you know, these camps and all this sort of stuff.

00:20:43.020 And they just got to hold strong and know the voters are behind them.

00:20:46.000 Right. And what the media is going to completely blow past are the thousands and thousands of fighting age men from Tajikistan and Uzbekistan who somehow ended up in Mexico and walked over our southern border.

00:20:58.280 There are terrorists in this country that absolutely have to be removed.

00:21:03.240 I mean, we're talking like there are some estimates that there are more fighting age men who have come into this country illegally over the last four years than we have currently serving in our armed forces today.

00:21:15.840 That is a major emergency for our country. And what President Trump is going to do is protect us from the dangers of the Biden administration.

00:21:24.700 It is it's terrifying thinking of who thinking the fact that we don't even know who's here because the Biden administration has lost count.

00:21:33.400 Not to mention there are over a million people who have already been adjudicated as here improperly and scheduled for deportation.

00:21:41.480 They blow right past that. They blow right past the fact that Barack Obama deported three million people when he was president.

00:21:49.440 Right. And nobody asked him the cost or the feasibility of that program.

00:21:53.780 No, no, that that was OK because it was Barack Obama.

00:21:56.760 If Donald Trump wants to do it, it'll be Adolf Hitler.

00:21:58.640 But let me tell you, let me tell you something. Rachel Maddow, just take one when we could take pretty much anybody over on MSNBC.

00:22:06.640 Her ratings are down. I mean, I'm going to get you the exact numbers by half.

00:22:14.720 She's down over 50 percent in the demo in the overall number.

00:22:18.680 You know, the overall audience, she's down 43 percent in total audience.

00:22:22.740 She was averaging two point four million. Now she's down by a million to one point four.

00:22:26.960 Like she could spare it. And this is their highest rated show in the key demo, the advertising demo of twenty five to fifty four.

00:22:34.060 She has shed fifty six percent of her audience.

00:22:39.160 She is averaging one hundred and three thousand in the demo.

00:22:45.180 A hundred. I never, never.

00:22:47.960 I mean, in the prime time, are you kidding me? Never.

00:22:49.920 I would have they would have fired me if I had a winning is great thousand in the key demo.

00:22:55.320 Winning is great. But honestly, I mean, I just will speak for myself.

00:22:59.300 The downfall of our enemies is so much sweeter.

00:23:02.320 Oh, it's so good.

00:23:03.580 It's so good. But this is you just made the point, Megan, that I was just about to make, which is the one key difference that's happened since twenty seventeen.

00:23:11.220 And when the media unleashed a four year campaign to basically try to undermine everything that President Trump was trying to accomplish was that the media still had a little bit of credibility.

00:23:20.820 It has fallen about thirty five, forty percent since that moment in time where people get that information.

00:23:27.160 I mean, look, sitting on this show right now, we're a perfect example of that.

00:23:30.120 I mean, the Megyn Kelly show has got a hell of a lot more people in demo than MSNBC has ever had in demo.

00:23:37.040 You know, and so, yes, they're falling. Yes, they're going away.

00:23:40.560 But they're also just cling.

00:23:42.400 What they are clinging to is this last partisan remain of this very hardened group that the vast majority of people can't identify with at all.

00:23:50.720 And they're going to seek their information elsewhere.

00:23:53.080 Legacy legacy media sources are going to be shrill.

00:23:56.420 They're going to be terrible.

00:23:57.500 They're going to say all the most horrible things, unlike twenty seventeen.

00:24:01.520 They don't have an audience for it.

00:24:03.240 And I think unlike seventeen Republicans in particular have no patience for it.

00:24:09.300 And I think that's how they're going to get.

00:24:11.340 That's how they're going to get their audience back at homes.

00:24:14.060 Trust me that they're the Democrats are licking their wounds right now.

00:24:18.620 They're very sad.

00:24:19.760 They can't believe that they were lied to, that they were wrong, that Kamala didn't really have it.

00:24:23.780 She wasn't joyful and that we didn't respond to Tim Walsh and his jazz hands.

00:24:28.380 They don't get it.

00:24:29.900 OK, so they're all, you know, watching Little House on the Prairie reruns if they know it's good for them.

00:24:35.600 And they could instill values.

00:24:38.260 We talked about that with Dr. Leonard Sachs yesterday.

00:24:39.900 And they are avoiding the TV news.

00:24:42.580 But as soon as Trump, I've been through this on cable news many times, as soon as he is sworn in and starts doing things, it's going to be they're going to come back.

00:24:52.120 They're going to come back to MSNBC and CNN if those channels do what they are in the business of doing, which is bashing Republicans and Trump in particular.

00:25:01.840 There is no business model for them in going more fair and open minded to Trump.

00:25:08.300 So they will get those numbers up from loss of half of our audience by doing the one trick that these ponies know how to do, which is bash Donald Trump.

00:25:16.820 And Trump, his magnanimous tone will change.

00:25:19.700 And we won't be back necessarily to double impeachments and criminal prosecution threats and so on.

00:25:25.980 But we will be back to very divided, hateful media coverage of Trump.

00:25:30.280 So this honeymoon period is going to be super short.

00:25:34.020 And I guess he should enjoy it while he can.

00:25:36.240 Yeah, no question.

00:25:37.320 I guess my only point on that, Megan, is that it's now consolidated a left, right?

00:25:41.920 Your CNNs of the world, your MSNBCs, your Washington Post, your New York Times, even your Associated Press, for crying out loud.

00:25:47.640 It's now a consolidated leftist audience.

00:25:50.000 And where you get into trouble politically for a new president when you're entering into contentious issues is when you start bleeding into the center right or into your base of concern.

00:26:00.080 That is a concern for, you know, 100 years of politics, or at least since the advent of television with network news.

00:26:07.500 It's not really that big of a concern right now that you're going to start losing those center right voters because they don't live there anymore.

00:26:15.460 They're just not interested in it.

00:26:17.260 He's going to have a longer leash.

00:26:18.480 You're entirely right that they're going to consolidate the left.

00:26:21.120 They're going to make it entirely impossible for him to have fair conversation.

00:26:25.000 But I think his ability to withstand that is much greater than it was eight years ago.

00:26:31.260 I also think it would be very important.

00:26:33.560 It's incumbent upon independent, reliable sources of information like ourselves and your show as well, Megan, that we highlight when these actions are taking place that here's the issue.

00:26:43.600 The Biden-Harris regime created this broken system where they would say, show up to court, and then people would go missing.

00:26:50.320 I think during that entire time, independent information sources should highlight the fact that here's the problem.

00:26:57.160 These people who were under this Joe Biden system of being handed a slip of paper show up to court and don't show up.

00:27:02.940 That's why this action is having to be taken.

00:27:05.180 We're dealing with the problem that Joe Biden created.

00:27:07.400 You think the on-your-honor system wasn't a great way to enforce the law?

00:27:11.340 I mean, who knew?

00:27:12.660 Yeah, it's like that big banner that they put on every Trump rally.

00:27:15.220 Trump will fix it.

00:27:16.520 Just like Bob the Builder.

00:27:17.860 So that's the method that needs to be put out there.

00:27:20.380 When people see that, Trump's falling through on his campaign promises that they wanted.

00:27:23.740 The media is in a panic about what's happening in terms of their fecklessness, and they feel the power and control slipping away.

00:27:34.240 MSNBC and CNN feel their viewers slipping away.

00:27:37.300 But it was embodied in a clip that was on X this week between Leslie Stahl of CBS's 60 Minutes and Peggy Noonan,

00:27:46.200 who used to be a Reagan speech writer and now writes a column for The Wall Street Journal and has for many years.

00:27:50.760 And, I mean, would you take a listen to Leslie Stahl describing her dread over the loss of mainstream media power?

00:28:02.100 If you watch the opinion of us, how many people trust the press anymore?

00:28:09.360 I mean, we're way down there with the lawyers.

00:28:11.660 You're way down there with Congress.

00:28:14.080 Exactly.

00:28:14.820 I mean, we're way down there with Congress.

00:28:16.480 I despair.

00:28:18.380 Seriously, I worry greatly.

00:28:20.380 And I think there are other institutions that have been suffering.

00:28:24.420 And you're right not to blame Donald Trump 100 percent, obviously.

00:28:28.300 Started many years before.

00:28:30.580 But we're at a point where if the president of the United States is going to say legacy media is dead.

00:28:38.560 Well, I guess Musk said that.

00:28:40.480 Legacy media is dead.

00:28:42.100 And he wants it dead.

00:28:43.260 He wants other media.

00:28:44.660 But it is kind of sort of hobbling right now.

00:28:48.660 And I don't know how it recovers.

00:28:53.080 It's just.

00:28:54.200 I'm very dark about it.

00:28:58.160 Encouraging videos I think I saw all week long.

00:29:01.580 I've never seen something that I wanted to watch over and over and over again because they, first of all, she's blaming Trump.

00:29:10.160 Yeah.

00:29:10.360 For the fact that they've been lying to people for the last 30 years.

00:29:13.800 Like, that's his.

00:29:15.120 Like, he was the one who told them to lie about him.

00:29:17.340 Like, get out of town.

00:29:18.480 He fooled them.

00:29:18.960 He fooled them into believing they couldn't trust the legacy media, Ashbrook.

00:29:23.120 Right.

00:29:23.500 And I mean, them having such a hard time with it is really one of the greatest developments.

00:29:28.320 And it reminds me of a line that the great coach from the Buffalo Bills, Marv Levy, used to say, if it's too hard for them, it's just right for us.

00:29:37.540 That's so good.

00:29:38.640 It's amazing.

00:29:39.020 She doesn't know.

00:29:39.940 Like, she's actually genuinely befuddled.

00:29:42.040 She says, I don't know how it, meaning the legacy media, recovers.

00:29:47.000 I have a lot of suggestions for you, Leslie.

00:29:49.940 What should we go over them?

00:29:51.700 Like, maybe don't say the laptop can't be verified when it can.

00:29:55.500 And then when your own organization verifies it, come out and do a mea culpa and admit that you embarrassed yourself.

00:30:01.760 Maybe don't stealth edit the presidential candidate on the Democrats side.

00:30:07.480 Interview with 60 minutes, your flagship program that you're an anchor of without telling us.

00:30:12.780 And then when it becomes a controversy, refuse to release the transcript because you're more interested in running cover for the Dems than you are in honest reporting.

00:30:22.180 Maybe don't host a vice presidential debate where you fact check only one side.

00:30:27.520 And then when your fact check gets fact checked by the vice presidential candidate on the Republican side, you cut his mic.

00:30:33.900 Just a few thoughts off the top of my head on what you can do about it.

00:30:38.140 I love it.

00:30:38.920 And I love that clip because I think it gets to the heart of the matter in this whole segment and sort of back to Holmes' point.

00:30:44.420 It's really not about audience, whether they have half the audience they used to have or they get all that audience back by ginning up all the hatred of Donald Trump after he's sworn in.

00:30:52.980 Ultimately, the question is, are they going to have any credibility?

00:30:55.780 Is anything that they say actually going to matter, no matter how many people are actually listening or watching?

00:31:01.060 And I think it's going to be a lot less.

00:31:02.760 And I think the demonstration of that is this election, right?

00:31:05.180 Like, they lost half their audience.

00:31:07.200 Great.

00:31:07.460 I'm very happy about that.

00:31:08.840 They had that audience in June.

00:31:10.460 They had that audience in July.

00:31:11.980 They had it in the run-up of the election.

00:31:13.480 And people were pulling their hair out the thought that Donald Trump would become president of the United States again.

00:31:17.440 And then he won.

00:31:18.720 And then he won.

00:31:19.620 So clearly, all of the things that they're saying, it doesn't have to say in June.

00:31:23.660 They're damned.

00:31:24.680 They did their damned.

00:31:25.420 I mean, if you looked at the opening of every network news broadcast in the final month of that election.

00:31:31.240 Donald O'Donnell was just egregious.

00:31:33.220 Egregious.

00:31:33.980 I mean, it was a straight.

00:31:35.640 What network is she on again?

00:31:36.680 Yeah, right, right, right.

00:31:39.240 Hello.

00:31:40.020 There are campaign ad teams that are like, wow, we didn't think of that.

00:31:43.340 That's great.

00:31:44.000 That's what a great attack.

00:31:45.640 I'm going to try to repurpose that.

00:31:48.260 All right.

00:31:48.800 Here's another one.

00:31:49.480 So this is some of the more distressing news in his Time magazine interview for me and others like me.

00:31:58.860 But I think Trump will fix it.

00:32:00.820 I think Trump was just sort of shooting off the cuff and will do what he promised to do.

00:32:06.140 But I got to be honest, these are terrible answers he gave on the trans issue.

00:32:10.760 Terrible.

00:32:11.920 He was asked.

00:32:13.740 OK, let's see.

00:32:15.100 In 2016, you said transgender people could use whatever bathroom they chose.

00:32:18.540 Do you still feel that way?

00:32:19.920 I don't want to get into the bathroom issue, he says, because it's a very small number of people we're talking about.

00:32:25.440 And it's ripped apart our country, so they'll have to settle whatever the law finally agrees.

00:32:31.100 I'm a big believer in the Supreme Court.

00:32:32.860 I'm going to go by their rulings.

00:32:34.880 And so far, I think their rulings have been rulings that people are going along with.

00:32:38.940 But we're talking about a very small number of people, and we're talking about it.

00:32:42.260 And it gets massive coverage, and it's not a lot of people.

00:32:45.020 That's the wrong answer, Mr. President-elect.

00:32:47.560 The answer is, I don't believe men should be in women's bathrooms or private spaces.

00:32:52.900 That's the proper answer.

00:32:54.140 I realize Trump hasn't been paying attention to this, but this is the wrong answer for Republicans and for the country and for women.

00:33:01.840 Then they ask, but on that note, there's a big fight on this in Congress now.

00:33:05.900 The incoming trans member from Delaware, Sarah McBride, says we should all be focused on more important issues.

00:33:11.900 Do you agree?

00:33:12.800 I do agree with that, he says.

00:33:14.780 On that, absolutely.

00:33:16.440 As I was saying, it's a small number of people.

00:33:18.660 It was a big issue, though, on the campaign the reporter follows up.

00:33:21.920 This is the reporter saying it's a big issue.

00:33:23.520 And he's saying it's not.

00:33:25.300 I mean, one of the ads that your campaign put the most money behind was the Trump is for us and Harris is for they them.

00:33:31.620 And he responds, well, it's true.

00:33:33.880 Trump is for us.

00:33:34.980 And the reporter says, right.

00:33:36.240 Obviously, it strikes a chord.

00:33:37.940 And Trump adds, I mean, Trump is definitely for us, okay?

00:33:41.340 And us is the vast, vast majority of people in this country.

00:33:44.320 And also, I want to have all people treated fairly.

00:33:47.700 You know, forget about the majority or not majority.

00:33:49.520 I want people to be treated well and fairly.

00:33:51.860 And then they ask, last question on the trans issue.

00:33:55.220 Will you reverse Biden's protections for trans kids under Title IX?

00:33:58.740 And his answer is, I'm going to look at it very closely.

00:34:03.800 We're looking at it right now.

00:34:05.540 We're going to look at it.

00:34:06.600 We're going to look at everything.

00:34:08.200 Look, the country's torn apart.

00:34:09.480 We're going to look at everything.

00:34:10.420 That's not the right answer, sir.

00:34:12.520 With respect, that is the wrong answer.

00:34:14.780 You had the issue correct in your campaign video that features you on camera saying this.

00:34:26.460 My Department of Education will inform states and school districts that if any teacher or

00:34:32.580 school official suggests to a child that they could be trapped in the wrong body, they will

00:34:38.460 be faced with severe consequences, including potential civil rights violations for sex

00:34:44.320 discrimination and the elimination of federal funding.

00:34:48.100 I will ask Congress to pass a bill establishing that the only genders recognized by the United

00:34:53.660 States government are male and female, and they are assigned at birth.

00:34:58.660 The bill will also make clear that Title IX prohibits men from participating in women's sports,

00:35:04.820 and we will protect the rights of parents from being forced to allow their minor child to assume

00:35:10.820 a gender which is new and an identity without the parents' consent.

00:35:18.600 That's the correct answer.

00:35:20.180 Please repeat what you said on the campaign trail, and everything will be great.

00:35:25.120 Yeah.

00:35:26.120 Yeah, I know.

00:35:26.860 Look, I think you're right.

00:35:27.840 And I actually think that is where he's going to land.

00:35:30.460 In fact, you know, I mean, it's happening already.

00:35:32.300 You've got a Republican House of Representatives with an NDAA.

00:35:34.840 It's a defense authorization bill where that action is actually happening right now.

00:35:39.100 I mean, this week, a bill will pass and go into law that has the beginnings of pulling

00:35:43.800 back all these transgender rights that the Biden administration invented out of thin air.

00:35:49.020 So I think there's going to be an appetite to do all that.

00:35:51.260 I actually think he will land on the right side of it.

00:35:54.080 I think what you're struggling with in the transition period is, you know, you got only so

00:35:58.380 much political capital.

00:35:59.700 He knows the border issue is the reason why he is where he is.

00:36:03.520 He knows that this tax issue is absolutely imperative to restoring American economy and

00:36:09.300 ultimately what they think of him at the end of the day.

00:36:11.760 And he knows that all of that is going to take the full width of everything that they've

00:36:17.060 got in that administration, all the political capital that they've accumulated.

00:36:20.220 So he probably doesn't want to get out and start making declarations about all kinds of

00:36:24.360 other things that he knows he doesn't have to do on day one.

00:36:27.080 All that being said, Megan, you are right.

00:36:29.120 So the answer to that was the answer that he provided during the course of the campaign.

00:36:34.400 I just don't read that is what he said is a is a walk back.

00:36:38.160 It's less than, you know, what I'd want to hear for sure.

00:36:40.980 But I think we'll still get there.

00:36:44.100 I believe you're right.

00:36:45.760 And I pray you're right because I don't want to have this fight again.

00:36:50.360 But I will.

00:36:51.580 If I have it against a president I support and voted for, I will.

00:36:54.740 I will have it with him.

00:36:56.060 I will have it with anybody.

00:36:56.900 I don't care what their partisan stripes are.

00:36:59.800 Boys should not be playing in girl sports.

00:37:02.580 And Title IX, by the way, should be revised by Trump the same way Biden revised it, which

00:37:08.520 was through the Department of Education and Miguel Cardona, who did it on his own, accepting

00:37:15.260 comment from the public, which I'm sure was overwhelmingly against these changes.

00:37:20.220 But they did it anyway.

00:37:21.560 And Trump should undo it.

00:37:23.060 He should do to it with Linda McMahon, exactly what he did to it with Betsy DeVos.

00:37:28.520 And that's what should happen.

00:37:30.400 I think that's what will happen, because I think Trump just isn't focused on this.

00:37:33.800 And I agree.

00:37:34.900 The deportations are more important.

00:37:37.760 That that should be where he spends most of his political capital.

00:37:40.640 But this is not going to cost him anything.

00:37:42.180 But 70 percent of the American people, plus it's as high as almost 90 in some polls, don't

00:37:47.820 want to see boys and girls sports.

00:37:49.420 This is not there will cost no political capital.

00:37:52.440 So this is a no brainer.

00:37:54.240 Someone's just got to get to the president and make that clear.

00:37:56.360 And I believe Elon Musk is the person to do that, because he is totally eyeball to eyeball

00:38:00.540 with me on this issue.

00:38:03.100 That's really clear.

00:38:04.240 OK, so that there's that.

00:38:05.880 Now, while we're on the topic of Time magazine and its celebration of random people, we need

00:38:11.960 to talk about Caitlin Clark.

00:38:14.080 So Caitlin Clark of Iowa, but now playing for Indiana in the WNBA, gets honored in in

00:38:23.000 time as the athlete of the year.

00:38:25.780 I don't know.

00:38:26.620 I guess they need a lot of covers or something.

00:38:28.120 I mean, whatever.

00:38:28.580 I get that they just want people who are going to sell their shitty magazine.

00:38:31.400 So she gets selected as athlete of the year.

00:38:35.880 And what does Caitlin Clark do?

00:38:38.160 Like this woman who's a superstar, she's the Michael Jordan of the WNBA, and she's become

00:38:44.260 a phenom in part because the players of the WNBA can't fucking stand her.

00:38:51.960 Why?

00:38:52.980 Because she's white.

00:38:54.720 It's abject, absolute racism.

00:38:57.320 It's total racism.

00:39:00.280 And one of the things that's been admirable about Caitlin is she just continues to play her

00:39:04.800 game and put points on the board.

00:39:06.980 And she does very well.

00:39:08.160 And she wins games, games, and she puts butts in the seats and she sells tickets and she

00:39:12.140 gets people tuning in on television.

00:39:13.680 And all really we want to hear from anybody about this is thank you.

00:39:17.520 Thank you to Caitlin Clark for making our league relevant and so on.

00:39:21.180 But instead, she's been bullied repeatedly by the players in this league.

00:39:25.140 She's been assaulted physically.

00:39:26.800 Physically, she's been scratched in the eye.

00:39:30.280 And I mean, all of this is on camera.

00:39:32.380 We've covered it repeatedly on the show.

00:39:34.180 So she gets this honor.

00:39:37.460 And all she has to do is continue staying above it.

00:39:40.640 Thank you.

00:39:41.240 I'm grateful.

00:39:42.240 Love being in the WNBA.

00:39:43.440 And I love my colleagues who I play with, my teammates.

00:39:46.460 That's it.

00:39:47.720 Instead, she decides to go racial.

00:39:50.600 And what she says is she feels the need to acknowledge her white privilege.

00:39:57.240 Basically, she's sorry she's white.

00:39:59.840 She feels really bad about it, though.

00:40:02.580 So you should give her a pass.

00:40:05.160 And then she makes a point of saying the ones we really need to be celebrating are the black

00:40:10.320 women on whose backs this league was built, which I have to tell you is so condescending.

00:40:17.760 It really is.

00:40:18.840 It's true that most of these black women have been bullying her and want her to understand

00:40:23.200 it's their league.

00:40:24.160 Hello, you don't own the league.

00:40:25.980 Blacks don't own the league just like whites don't own tennis or golf.

00:40:30.460 Nobody owns the league.

00:40:32.120 This is America.

00:40:33.120 Anybody can play if they're good enough.

00:40:35.520 But they want her on the knee.

00:40:37.600 You'll bend the knee and you'll apologize for being white.

00:40:40.080 And you will suck up to the black women who built this league before you.

00:40:43.880 Or you will be beaten.

00:40:45.300 You will be assaulted and you will be bullied with no friends.

00:40:49.060 So she does it.

00:40:50.160 She finally did it.

00:40:51.320 She bent the knee, self-flagellated over white privilege.

00:40:55.200 And look at look at the black women in this league.

00:40:57.460 And I have to tell you, if I were a black woman in that league, I think I'd say, screw

00:41:01.960 you, because don't treat me like I am the ugly stepsister and you are Cinderella.

00:41:07.360 And no prince is going to look at me unless Cinderella says, oh, give her a little time.

00:41:13.020 Oh, put her in the spotlight for a moment.

00:41:15.300 I would be offended, genuinely offended by her.

00:41:18.560 Like, look over there.

00:41:19.640 Look at them.

00:41:20.620 They're not white.

00:41:21.880 They did a lot too.

00:41:23.280 And here's the other thing.

00:41:24.400 It's totally insincere.

00:41:25.900 And here's how you know it's totally insincere.

00:41:27.360 Because if Caitlin Clark really felt uncomfortable in the spotlight as the newbie who's white,

00:41:33.020 who's, you know, because white people didn't build the league, build the league, she wouldn't

00:41:36.740 have said yes to being Time Magazine's athlete of the year.

00:41:40.940 So either walk the walk or don't.

00:41:44.040 But what you're doing here is trying to have it both ways.

00:41:46.800 You're too cute by half and you've managed to piss off your fan base.

00:41:52.120 Go ahead and look at my Twitter feed and the comments under my tweet on this.

00:41:55.860 She's lost thousands of fans, maybe more as a result of this.

00:42:00.420 And you will never appease the race bullies in the WNBA ever because you're too popular,

00:42:08.320 you're too talented and too white.

00:42:11.760 That's it.

00:42:13.580 Well, I think you completely nailed it.

00:42:15.520 As soon as I saw that statement from her, I was I was incensed because it was only a couple

00:42:21.240 of days earlier.

00:42:22.020 I've been telling Duncan Duncan's from Indiana.

00:42:23.580 And I was like, wow, you know, I see all these clips of this player you've got.

00:42:27.280 She's amazing.

00:42:28.040 She's done great.

00:42:28.680 And and I've been following during the season her getting bullied by all these other players

00:42:32.160 who are jealous of her, who are jealous of her success.

00:42:34.540 And meanwhile, these statistics would come out where all the road games where she plays

00:42:38.940 sell out.

00:42:39.600 They're the best selling games of the season is when she comes to town.

00:42:42.560 And for her to turn around and bend the knee to these people who've been bullying her, like

00:42:47.740 you said, it's never going to be enough.

00:42:49.840 It's not just her trying to get these people to like her who've been mean to her.

00:42:55.160 It's her complete betrayal of her fan base.

00:42:57.660 People like for years and years, men have been complaining that ESPN doesn't cover sports.

00:43:02.580 They cover critical race theory, and they're sick of it.

00:43:05.040 People watch sports for escapism to see competition.

00:43:09.360 Caitlin Clark was an inspiration to so many of my friends' daughters.

00:43:11.960 And for her to go out and say something like this, to try to, like you said, being like,

00:43:16.480 oh, no, no, no, no.

00:43:17.820 You know, black players need me as a white savior to bring them and highlight them.

00:43:22.360 This racist equity system, all it does is divide Americans.

00:43:26.120 And the result of this election, in large part, was Americans saying, we're tired of that.

00:43:30.580 We've had enough of that.

00:43:31.840 And Caitlin Clark's going right back to that.

00:43:33.760 And DEI is a nonsense thing.

00:43:37.640 But can you think of any profession in which it's more nonsense than athletic competition,

00:43:43.420 in which there are statistics and points scored?

00:43:46.080 It's such a preposterous thing to claim somebody has privilege in a competition of athletics.

00:43:51.620 And not to mention the fact, like, you would never say something like that about the NBA,

00:43:56.460 you know, where there are hundreds of black superstars paid millions and millions of dollars.

00:44:01.080 And, oh, by the way, that NBA subsidizes the entire WNBA.

00:44:04.900 And she's walking around talking about her white privilege.

00:44:08.720 It's insane.

00:44:09.520 Well, here's the other thing, Duncan.

00:44:10.740 Here's the other question.

00:44:12.360 I don't remember Serena Williams apologizing for her blackness in tennis, which had been

00:44:18.280 dominated mostly by whites.

00:44:19.880 I don't remember Tiger Woods apologizing for his blackness in the, you know, whatever,

00:44:26.840 PGA, which was dominated by whites.

00:44:29.220 No one would even think of such a thing.

00:44:30.780 They celebrated this new figure in sports who maybe didn't look like all the other figures

00:44:36.580 they knew.

00:44:37.100 They thought it was great.

00:44:38.360 He was to be celebrated.

00:44:39.520 That's how normal people have responded to Caitlin.

00:44:42.040 What they all had in common is that they fundamentally changed the sport and they brought casual fans

00:44:47.020 into the sport to become lifelong fans of the sport.

00:44:49.940 It didn't matter what the color of their skin was.

00:44:52.100 That's what Tiger Woods did to golf.

00:44:53.760 That's what Caitlin Clark did to the WNBA.

00:44:55.880 Hey, that's the sort of excellence that should be celebrated.

00:44:58.500 And I, it's so weird to me that we had the entire ideology fail at the battle box, battle

00:45:04.180 ballot box a few weeks ago.

00:45:06.740 And now she's like the last one to get the memo.

00:45:09.140 It's crazy.

00:45:10.000 Yeah.

00:45:10.320 I, you know, imagine a world just, we got to keep this going because it's like, I'm so

00:45:15.140 fired up about it.

00:45:15.920 But imagine a world in which Serena and Venus take over tennis.

00:45:18.840 They crush and the, and the thought pieces that are being written are, or the comments

00:45:23.720 that they are required to say are, I just want to acknowledge that tennis was built on

00:45:29.500 the back of white people like Chrissy Everett and Martina Navarrola and Billy G King.

00:45:35.940 And, you know, I, I have black privilege in being here because of my, whatever, however

00:45:41.420 she wants to attribute that it wasn't explained by Caitlin either exactly how her white privilege

00:45:45.400 got her some more attention in the league.

00:45:48.400 That's the theory by some racist that the only reason we want to watch Caitlin is because

00:45:52.520 she's white and we can't stand watching the blacks, but we'll watch the white, which is

00:45:57.280 absurd.

00:45:57.940 She's by far the best.

00:45:59.820 The stats prove it.

00:46:00.920 That's why she's so popular.

00:46:02.320 But in what world would we ever be comfortable saying to these black superstars, you better

00:46:07.280 acknowledge the backs on whose, you know, bodies tennis and golf and whatever white sport

00:46:13.580 you can think of were, was built.

00:46:15.400 I mean, it's an absurdity.

00:46:16.420 It's racist on its face.

00:46:18.600 Yeah.

00:46:19.220 And, you know, the, the thing that really strikes me, if you think about time magazine, it's

00:46:23.120 not, they don't care about sports.

00:46:24.660 It's a religious track for the left-wing lunacy in this country.

00:46:27.700 And what they care about is driving their politics forward.

00:46:30.960 There are thousands of athletes who have had great years that they could highlight if they

00:46:35.760 cared about highlighting a top athlete.

00:46:38.300 Caitlin Clark is one of them, but this story and naming her really strikes me is something

00:46:44.520 that was negotiated between her PR agent and time magazine where the agreement was, she

00:46:49.940 would say what the left wanted to hear.

00:46:52.720 And in exchange, she's named athlete.

00:46:54.820 Well, this is the, this is part of the sports culture and has been here for the last five

00:46:58.520 or six years, that these are the kinds of things that you get into when you do this sort of

00:47:01.660 quote unquote mainstream pieces.

00:47:03.280 But I think there's something that's much larger than all of this.

00:47:06.520 And one of the reasons we, why we're so irritated about it is this election, you saw huge participation

00:47:12.380 and definitive in how they came down amongst Gen X and older millennials.

00:47:17.840 And one of the big pieces of that, in my view, is that we all kind of grew up in a social

00:47:26.960 atmosphere where you just didn't think of people in white buckets and black buckets.

00:47:31.780 And like all my heroes were young black athletes.

00:47:35.560 And I never thought about that.

00:47:37.080 Yeah.

00:47:37.180 But I watched Family Matters.

00:47:38.640 It wasn't like, oh, I'm watching the black sitcom.

00:47:40.780 Yeah.

00:47:41.320 You know, like you never thought about that as a kid.

00:47:43.660 Like the Cosby show.

00:47:44.500 The Cosby show.

00:47:45.260 You're like, yeah, you weren't like, oh man, well this, let's watch the black show tonight.

00:47:49.180 Like it just never had, that's not how we grew up.

00:47:51.500 And somehow time over the last 10 years, all of that changed.

00:47:55.580 And it took people a while to try to figure out how and why and what they could do about

00:48:00.720 it.

00:48:00.980 In this election, they finally said, fuck you.

00:48:04.380 We are not doing this anymore.

00:48:06.000 We are not going to discriminate people.

00:48:08.140 We're not going to evaluate their character or their worth based on their skin color.

00:48:12.820 We're not doing any of that anymore.

00:48:14.320 And the extent that the EI and all of those people that want to push that agenda are doing

00:48:19.160 that to us.

00:48:19.960 We're going to throw your asses out.

00:48:21.520 And that's exactly what they did.

00:48:22.900 And so now you get the sports agents and all this stuff that apparently didn't get the

00:48:26.260 memo.

00:48:26.520 And my bet is, Megan, I think you're talking about like a 22 year old young woman who's

00:48:33.340 sort of thrust into this cultural icon.

00:48:35.480 I bet five years from now, she's going to wish she had that back.

00:48:38.880 And I don't think that she's a bad.

00:48:42.140 I mean, right now, what we know about Kaylin Clark is she's reportedly dating some very,

00:48:46.080 very woke leftist.

00:48:47.220 Um, but what we know about her is she liked Taylor Swift's endorsement of Kamala Harris.

00:48:54.060 So she seems to be telegraphing something about her politics, even though she doesn't

00:48:58.200 often tweet or post about politics.

00:49:00.900 It seems pretty clear.

00:49:02.360 She was in that lane, hoping Kamala Harris got elected, though.

00:49:05.980 When asked about it, she tried to play it off as she was just, you know, really in favor

00:49:10.380 of people informing themselves about the issues and making sure they vote.

00:49:13.720 Okay, sure.

00:49:14.480 There isn't a Trump voter in the world that would have liked the Taylor Swift endorsement

00:49:19.480 of Kamala Harris and Tim Walsh.

00:49:22.080 So she definitely is a Democrat and probably a leftist who believes this crap.

00:49:27.880 I have to think she believes in this crap.

00:49:29.960 This is the first real, you know, window we are getting into the way she thinks.

00:49:34.580 And I couldn't care less if she's a Democrat.

00:49:36.460 As I've said many times, you know, my the people in my family are Democrats.

00:49:40.360 A lot of people I love are Democrats.

00:49:41.980 It's not about that.

00:49:42.860 It's about this sick ideology and the fact that she she's she bent both knees.

00:49:49.560 She got down on both knees and begged for forgiveness for her whiteness and then was

00:49:55.040 condescending to the black women in the league while she did it.

00:49:58.500 It was an utter fail.

00:50:00.080 Jason Whitlock has thoughts.

00:50:01.800 She's also responded to my criticism directly.

00:50:04.760 That's next.

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00:51:06.040 So continuing our discussion of Caitlin Clark, here's exactly what she said, just so if you

00:51:10.280 want to hear it in Time Magazine.

00:51:11.520 I want to say I've earned every single thing, but as a white person, there is privilege.

00:51:17.960 A lot of those players in the league that have been really good have been black players.

00:51:22.800 This league has kind of been built on them.

00:51:26.000 The more we can appreciate that, highlight that, talk about that, and then continue to have brands

00:51:32.840 and companies invest in those players that have made this league incredible.

00:51:37.700 I think that's very important.

00:51:40.180 I have to continue to try to change that.

00:51:42.920 The more we can elevate black women, that's going to be a beautiful thing.

00:51:47.680 I mean, it's the most groveling, pathetic.

00:51:52.100 Please like me.

00:51:53.920 I've tried to elevate you to my level in terms of attention, but there's only so much I can do.

00:52:00.140 I mean, honestly, like she thinks this is going to work.

00:52:03.120 This is not going to work with these black women.

00:52:04.960 The ones who didn't have a problem with her whiteness are probably like,

00:52:08.240 I'm good, white savior.

00:52:10.360 And the ones who did will never be appeased.

00:52:13.580 Yeah, right.

00:52:14.500 They're the ones that are giving her all the flagrant fouls and trying to scratch her eye out.

00:52:18.500 And Smug's point, which is, I think, so true, and it's one that must be remembered in a moment

00:52:23.260 like this, is like, they're never appeased.

00:52:26.600 You can bend your knees to the bomb and they always come back for more.

00:52:30.780 There's nothing you can do to apologize enough.

00:52:33.460 Mm-hmm.

00:52:34.780 That's right.

00:52:35.520 So here's, there's a lot of reaction to this.

00:52:38.840 Outkick has done a number of good articles on it.

00:52:40.780 Jason Whitlock, the best, reacted on his podcast, Fearless.

00:52:44.660 Here's a bit of what he said.

00:52:46.460 That's what they're turning Caitlin Clark into, a woke monster.

00:52:51.280 Caitlin, if you do these things, say these things, adopt these positions, we'll leave you alone.

00:52:57.500 No one else is going to try to poke your eye out, you know, we'll quit talking about you

00:53:03.660 in this way and you'll have some peace.

00:53:06.460 Now, they've lied to her and she'll find this out shortly, that nothing's going to stop.

00:53:12.460 These angry lesbians, the black ones in particular, are going to continue to try to destroy her.

00:53:20.120 Period.

00:53:21.240 End of story.

00:53:22.020 Just out of just pure jealousy.

00:53:24.580 And their racial bigotry.

00:53:26.340 You got to be like Megan Rapinoe.

00:53:28.980 You got to hop on board with all the messaging.

00:53:32.040 Welcome to the WNBA.

00:53:34.180 Grab a girlfriend.

00:53:35.860 Reject your heterosexuality.

00:53:38.340 Reject your biblical worldview.

00:53:40.500 And join us here in lesbian heaven.

00:53:43.520 The WNBA.

00:53:44.340 That's a shank.

00:53:46.340 That guy is so funny.

00:53:50.220 Where is it wrong?

00:53:51.980 Okay.

00:53:53.960 I don't know.

00:53:54.480 So Caitlin, all I, I haven't yet spoken about this.

00:53:56.760 I just sent out a tweet saying kind of what I've just said in just one tweet.

00:54:00.400 And, um, it got a lot of pickup because people are, I guess, shocked that, uh, there's controversy

00:54:06.460 about Caitlin Clark.

00:54:07.420 I don't know.

00:54:07.840 I have no idea.

00:54:08.540 I don't give a shit.

00:54:09.160 Uh, but she was asked about it.

00:54:11.580 I don't even know who this reporter is.

00:54:13.040 Who is this person asking her questions?

00:54:16.320 Maria Taylor.

00:54:17.400 Who is she?

00:54:20.680 She's on NBC.

00:54:21.660 Okay.

00:54:21.960 So she asks, um, Caitlin Clark about the, the comments I made or the Twitter, whatever

00:54:27.920 the tweet.

00:54:28.540 And here's what happened.

00:54:29.820 Even today, earlier today, Megan Kelly, she was saying that you were apologizing for your

00:54:35.300 white privilege and the fact that you wanted to uplift black female athletes and make sure

00:54:39.280 that they were getting the shine, kind of like your pioneers were getting the shine that

00:54:42.460 they deserved.

00:54:43.540 And I just want to know how you feel or how you respond to some of those criticisms when

00:54:48.360 you have to deal with something that it's really not your problem.

00:54:51.120 Like, I feel like it's them looking in a mirror a little bit, but it still comes down on your

00:54:54.740 shoulders.

00:54:55.040 I feel like I always have had really good perspective on everything that's kind of happened in my

00:54:59.440 life, whether that's been good, whether that's been bad.

00:55:01.620 Um, and then obviously coming to the WNBA, like I've said, I feel like I've earned every

00:55:05.360 single thing that's happened to me over the course of my career.

00:55:07.780 But also I grew up a fan of this league from a very young age, like my favorite player was

00:55:12.380 Maya Moore.

00:55:12.940 Like I know what this league was about.

00:55:14.740 Um, and like I said, like it's only been around 25 plus years.

00:55:17.940 So I know there's been so many amazing black women that have been in this league and continuing

00:55:21.820 to uplift them, I think is very important.

00:55:24.420 And, um, that's something I'm very aware of.

00:55:26.740 Um, and like I said, like I try to just be real and authentic and, you know, share my truth.

00:55:31.260 And I think I said, I feel like one of my best skills is just blocking things out.

00:55:34.820 Like, I don't, I don't really, the only opinions I really care about are the people that I love.

00:55:40.500 That's good.

00:55:41.360 That's, that's actually smart.

00:55:42.560 And she shouldn't be listening to her critics, but that's not going to stop those of us who

00:55:46.280 have strong thoughts about her bending the knee from speaking out, but she did it again.

00:55:50.500 I earned everything, but show me another athlete who's done that.

00:55:55.140 Who, who does that?

00:55:57.920 To me, here's the thing is there should be such a severe cost for what she has done.

00:56:03.740 And her Jersey should be boycotted.

00:56:06.460 Her games should be boycotted because it's much bigger than her.

00:56:10.720 It's this insidious ideology.

00:56:12.240 And she has so many little girls looking up to her.

00:56:15.480 And now they're being told if, if you're white, I need you to just, you know, shrug a little.

00:56:21.280 Don't let the spotlight be on you.

00:56:22.900 It's up to you as a white person to be a savior and uplift black players on your team.

00:56:28.920 But a horrible message to send young children that, no, you should not always play your best.

00:56:34.620 No, you should let other people bring you down.

00:56:37.340 It's a horrible thing.

00:56:38.460 And as a minority, there's nothing more offensive than this equity ideology, which says, listen,

00:56:44.380 you have no shot unless you have a white person who comes along and makes the stage for you.

00:56:50.660 It's unbelievable.

00:56:51.520 You'd have this.

00:56:52.300 Clarence Thomas has a great segment in his book, Create Equal, where he talks about how

00:56:56.120 he opposed affirmative action because as a minority, people in the office would look at

00:57:01.600 him like, you didn't get there because of your merit.

00:57:04.180 You got there because of the color of your skin.

00:57:06.220 You earned everything.

00:57:07.680 But and you earned everything is the insidious ideology right there.

00:57:12.800 And, yeah, it's easy for Caitlin Clark to say that.

00:57:15.820 But like, do you want every minority kid who gets into college to think the same way,

00:57:21.380 have this, you know, nagging thought in the back of their head?

00:57:23.760 Like, maybe I'm not good enough because of this system that's set up DEI.

00:57:28.640 Or every white female basketball player to think, I've got to apologize for my whiteness.

00:57:34.140 I don't belong on this team.

00:57:35.480 I'm somehow taking something that doesn't belong to me.

00:57:39.260 There's also something I didn't detect until that clip, which is there's this false humility

00:57:44.860 involved in it, too, where it's like there's a baked in assumption here that she is the

00:57:51.500 league.

00:57:52.380 Right.

00:57:52.780 I mean, she didn't even make the Olympic team.

00:57:54.820 But there's this baked in assumption that she had.

00:57:57.040 Well, now it's up to me to make sure that everyone else is recognized because right.

00:58:03.340 Obviously, I'm the league.

00:58:04.600 I mean, that in and of itself, I missed like the first three times.

00:58:07.900 And I don't think you could pick that up in the printed quote.

00:58:10.000 But in that answer, man, it's a really pretty arrogant thing to surround yourself with.

00:58:15.680 That's why it's such a fail.

00:58:17.000 It's such a fail because it's like, you know, I'm doing my best to try to get you to pay

00:58:22.000 attention to these losers over here.

00:58:24.200 But I mean, can I help it if I'm the star?

00:58:28.000 I mean, that's really the messaging.

00:58:30.080 That's why I say if I were a woman of color in the NBA, I would be like doubling down on

00:58:34.960 the middle finger, Caitlin.

00:58:36.460 Like, you know what?

00:58:37.460 Don't do me any favors.

00:58:38.860 But it's such an absurdity.

00:58:40.340 You know, it wasn't that long ago that in journalism there were no women.

00:58:44.280 Truly, like there was Connie Chung and Barbara Walters and Jessica Savage.

00:58:48.880 And that was, you know, like in the 70s, 1980, there were not I don't remember them needing

00:58:56.500 to say, like, I just want to give a shout out to the men on whose backs this business

00:59:01.800 was.

00:59:03.300 That's not how it works.

00:59:05.900 And it's never how it works.

00:59:08.080 I mean, like, that's why Serena didn't say anything about whites in tennis and Tiger

00:59:13.080 didn't say anything about whites in golf.

00:59:14.680 We would have been horrified if they had.

00:59:16.600 It's why is it?

00:59:17.920 Because that's the power group.

00:59:19.640 You know, the men were in power and whites were in power and blacks are minority.

00:59:23.180 Well, guess what?

00:59:24.180 White women are in the minority in the NBA, in the WNBA.

00:59:27.360 So it works.

00:59:28.080 There's no way of spinning your way out of it.

00:59:30.080 There's zero reason for her to apologize, which is what she was doing for her whiteness,

00:59:34.320 or be so fucking condescending to the black women in her league that she's been completely

00:59:39.380 spun up, probably by agents.

00:59:41.120 I don't care.

00:59:41.640 Maybe the boyfriend.

00:59:42.480 I don't know even if that's true about the boyfriend.

00:59:44.100 I'm just saying there's somebody in her life and in her head that's misguided.

00:59:47.920 And if she continues down this road, she's going to lose all of her fans.

00:59:52.360 Okay.

00:59:52.880 Well, she's a grown woman.

00:59:54.100 She makes her own choices.

00:59:55.480 She's made herself a star and she's made the choice to do that and send such a terrible

00:59:59.160 message to young children.

01:00:00.140 And she should be held accountable for it.

01:00:01.700 Yeah.

01:00:02.320 I'd like, before we break on this segment, Megan, as a white man, I'd just like you to

01:00:06.700 take a moment to thank Edward R. Murrow for everything that you've accomplished in your

01:00:12.200 career.

01:00:12.980 It's just, you know, a little token of respect.

01:00:15.860 Yeah.

01:00:16.340 I mean, like it's all, I've accomplished everything that's mine, but, but I would be remiss

01:00:22.600 if I didn't point out all, all the men who've come before me and built this profession.

01:00:26.520 It's so ridiculous.

01:00:28.640 It reminds me of that line.

01:00:30.200 There's a line in broadcast news, which is literally one of my top favorite movies.

01:00:33.760 I absolutely adore this movie.

01:00:35.420 And, uh, Holly Hunter is totally unsparing as this TV news producer.

01:00:39.320 And she's giving, I think it's, yeah, it's William Hurt, this like vain, uh, anchor who's

01:00:45.560 rising to the top, notwithstanding his lack of intellectual rigor.

01:00:48.280 And, uh, there's some scene where she gets after him and she's like, oh, you know, I've

01:00:52.760 got all these opportunities and I, I hopscotched over everybody who put in the work, but at least

01:00:58.380 I feel bad about it.

01:00:59.760 And that's who Caitlin Clark reminded me of, you know, like I I'm at the top and I've earned

01:01:06.740 everything, but at least I feel bad about it.

01:01:09.280 Oh, could you keep me from the left?

01:01:10.580 That's my good side time.

01:01:12.120 Could you just on the cover?

01:01:13.480 And could I wear this very sexy dress in my interview with ESPN where I look amazeballs

01:01:18.440 and everybody's staring at me, but I feel so bad.

01:01:22.180 I, are there any black women in my photo?

01:01:24.020 I'd like to get some black women in here.

01:01:25.900 Oh, none available.

01:01:27.100 Okay.

01:01:27.440 Just me.

01:01:28.540 Just, just me then.

01:01:30.120 Honestly, I'm starting to understand why they don't like her.

01:01:32.860 Okay.

01:01:33.760 Um, Megan social team, can we click that and get that up?

01:01:38.740 That's a viral deal.

01:01:40.000 Well, let's spend a minute on Trump's cabinet.

01:01:44.080 Okay.

01:01:44.480 We're going to get to the scary drone things happening in New Jersey too.

01:01:47.700 Oh yeah.

01:01:48.160 And also bully Santa, but I got to spend a minute on the Trump cabinet and Kimberly Guilfoyle.

01:01:53.960 Okay.

01:01:54.580 She's not cabinet, but she's been named as Donald Jr.

01:01:57.960 And Kimberly broke up and the same day they announced that she was going to be our ambassador

01:02:02.540 to Greece, which is fine.

01:02:04.820 I like the left is freaking out over this, but I did the same thing that I did when Laura

01:02:10.720 Trump got made head of RNC, which was check all your prior biases on what you think an

01:02:17.880 ambassador is or should look like.

01:02:19.700 And in Laura's case, the head of an RNC and ask what exactly is the job she's being asked

01:02:25.660 to do?

01:02:25.960 And can she do it and who is doing it now?

01:02:29.980 Who is so special that she, she, or he cannot possibly be replaced by this new person.

01:02:36.060 And as soon as you put this choice through that analysis, you are clapping the, the elevation

01:02:41.240 of Kimberly Guilfoyle.

01:02:42.520 Okay.

01:02:43.260 Kimberly is a smart woman.

01:02:45.820 She's a lawyer.

01:02:47.280 She is totally self-made.

01:02:48.940 She did not come from privilege at all.

01:02:50.900 I believe her father was a cop, um, Irish immigrant.

01:02:53.940 Mom was Puerto Rican.

01:02:55.760 She goes to law school.

01:02:57.440 She interns at the DA's office.

01:02:58.920 She gets a job as a DA.

01:03:00.420 She was a successful San Francisco district attorney.

01:03:02.680 She did wind up marrying Gavin Newsom, who was mayor of San Francisco.

01:03:07.060 Then she got herself into TV news, got herself into court TV and then Fox news, got her own

01:03:13.540 show, got onto a hit show.

01:03:15.580 The five where she was doing legal analysis did wind up dating Don jr.

01:03:20.320 Left Fox news, went with him.

01:03:21.940 There was some scandal in quotes around her departure, which will come back to haunt her

01:03:26.560 to some extent on her confirmation hearing.

01:03:28.120 We'll let that play out.

01:03:30.020 Um, and has been a loyal Trump ally for the past eight years, even at the times when Trump

01:03:34.740 was at his lowest and the most loathed.

01:03:37.500 She was there for him.

01:03:38.780 She was next to him.

01:03:39.640 She never abandoned team Trump, not with a tweet, not with a, you know, stormy exit.

01:03:44.560 And she deserves credit for that.

01:03:46.740 If you're talking about the man who now gets to make these choices.

01:03:50.240 And so she's going to be ambassador to Greece.

01:03:52.520 Was it a consolation prize?

01:03:53.720 Maybe.

01:03:54.700 Um, but these roles are always given to rich donors.

01:03:57.780 And so she, Kimberly's not rich, but she donated another way.

01:04:01.580 She donated her time.

01:04:02.560 She spoke at the RNC, um, you know, four years earlier and she defended him at every turn.

01:04:08.660 So there you go.

01:04:10.900 Here's the other piece of it.

01:04:12.760 Can anybody name our current ambassador to Greece under this president?

01:04:16.880 I know, but I can't wait to hear who it is.

01:04:19.460 I'm going to introduce you to George Tunis.

01:04:23.060 No, he's not the current, the current one, right?

01:04:25.320 He's, this is Obama's nominee, uh, for ambassador to Norway.

01:04:29.940 Okay.

01:04:30.320 The current guy, wait, is it, this is the same guy.

01:04:32.520 Yeah.

01:04:32.840 He is the current ambassador to Greece and he was Obama's nominee for ambassador to Norway.

01:04:37.840 So he's both.

01:04:39.060 And would you take a listen to this Mensa member?

01:04:43.480 Have you been to Norway?

01:04:46.700 Uh, there are, uh, there are a lot of things that we'll be getting to, um, uh, there are a lot of markets that will continue to open up.

01:05:00.620 Uh, let me just ask as ambassador, how would you promote those, those trade?

01:05:07.840 Cooperations.

01:05:08.980 Thank you for that save, um, Senator Johnson.

01:05:12.180 It's, uh, important that we continue.

01:05:18.560 Interesting.

01:05:19.200 Look, if, if Kimberly Guilfoyle really wants to be confirmed to this job, she needs to start her opening statement by thanking George Tunis for building the program that she's standing on his shoulder.

01:05:38.480 That he basically built, which she is now kind of earned.

01:05:43.380 Yeah.

01:05:43.660 It's like a land acknowledgement.

01:05:44.960 I had no idea if Bobby was an ambassador.

01:05:47.560 Wait, so he's the, he's a current ambassador to Greece?

01:05:50.840 Yeah.

01:05:51.100 Yes.

01:05:51.360 So he's the current ambassador to Greece.

01:05:53.300 And that was him.

01:05:53.920 Not a little bit.

01:05:54.660 That was him during his Obama nomination to be ambassador to Norway.

01:06:00.020 Can we just watch it again?

01:06:01.240 Cause I, I would love to see the beginning of that again.

01:06:03.080 Look at this bumbler.

01:06:05.120 Have you been to Norway?

01:06:06.720 Uh, uh, there are, uh, there are a lot of things that we'll be getting to, uh, uh, there are a lot of markets that will continue to open up.

01:06:22.220 Uh, let me just ask as ambassador.

01:06:26.800 You're an idiot.

01:06:27.500 Okay.

01:06:27.940 He did not get confirmed.

01:06:29.700 He did not get confirmed.

01:06:31.320 I think Kimberly's going to be able to tell us whether she's ever been to Greece or not.

01:06:34.140 I, I'm going to put money on it right now.

01:06:36.520 So anyway, it's just nonsense.

01:06:38.300 But of course the media is freaking out because she was Don's girlfriend.

01:06:41.180 So that's Kimberly.

01:06:42.100 So, okay.

01:06:43.140 Ambassadors do need to be confirmed.

01:06:45.100 Will she be confirmed?

01:06:45.920 Yes or no?

01:06:47.080 Yeah.

01:06:47.440 Yeah, absolutely.

01:06:49.220 Okay.

01:06:49.440 Let's keep going.

01:06:50.060 Let's keep going.

01:06:50.620 Okay.

01:06:51.180 Go ahead, Holmes.

01:06:51.860 Yeah.

01:06:52.060 If you have a comment, I'd love to hear.

01:06:54.180 The qualifications are not particularly steep for an ambassador, right?

01:06:57.340 I mean, I remember all the way back when I started in this line of work, there were the Bush

01:07:01.380 Rangers, which basically meant you bundled a whole bunch of money.

01:07:04.140 And you had a particular interest in some part of the world.

01:07:08.560 And that was basically the fit.

01:07:10.280 And that's how it's always sort of.

01:07:12.440 Donate money.

01:07:13.840 And then you say, I would like it.

01:07:15.900 That's how you become an ambassador.

01:07:17.660 Right.

01:07:18.840 Okay.

01:07:19.220 Let's do it quickly.

01:07:19.860 Cause I really want to get to these other two subjects.

01:07:21.800 Will Pete Hegseth be confirmed?

01:07:24.180 Yes or no?

01:07:24.840 Down the line.

01:07:25.320 Start with Holmes.

01:07:26.500 Yeah.

01:07:26.700 I don't know that one yet.

01:07:28.040 I think the hearing is going to be incredibly important.

01:07:29.800 And I think it's less about everything you've read in the newspapers right now about all

01:07:32.840 the allegations there.

01:07:33.800 He's going to have an opportunity within the confines of the hearing to address that.

01:07:37.320 And there are members, you know, like Joni Ernst has expressed, she's been a victim

01:07:40.340 of sexual assault.

01:07:41.240 I mean, this is, there are things that need to be addressed within the context of the

01:07:44.920 hearing.

01:07:45.160 I think the larger thing for Pete is how he intends to run the Pentagon.

01:07:48.640 There are a number of senators on the Republican side whose votes are open for business on

01:07:53.200 this deal.

01:07:53.520 They want to be helpful to president Trump, but they're going to need some concrete answers

01:07:56.920 on big ticket military procurement type issues that have had a lot of concerns about Ukraine

01:08:02.700 and everything else.

01:08:03.680 And those are real things that he's going to need to talk about.

01:08:06.960 Yeah.

01:08:07.440 And so you're, so maybe you won't say yes or no.

01:08:10.180 Go ahead.

01:08:10.480 Ash, I don't think it's a no by any stretch.

01:08:12.600 I, I, but I'm, I'm still open on it.

01:08:15.040 Yeah.

01:08:15.360 I think it's, first of all, the guy is extremely impressive and everything you hear out of these

01:08:19.580 meetings that he's having on the Hill with all these senators is that he's come

01:08:22.860 prepared with answers to their questions, specific questions that they ask.

01:08:27.500 They've done their homework.

01:08:28.520 He's been in there and he is doing a really good job convincing people from what I understand.

01:08:34.780 So I think it's a maybe lean.

01:08:36.280 Yes.

01:08:37.460 I mean, I think the attacks, I think the attacks against him are absurd.

01:08:41.420 I think, you know, he has done a very good job refuting all of those allegations.

01:08:47.340 And I think in particular, when you're talking about the Pentagon, an institution that has failed

01:08:51.880 seven audits or like West Point, who was asked by a reporter, if Pete Hegseth ever got a nomination

01:08:58.640 to attend the Academy and they say no.

01:09:01.540 And then he has to dig up the nomination letter that he got two decades ago to prove them wrong.

01:09:07.040 The hats on.

01:09:07.520 What does that say?

01:09:08.720 He was accepted at West Point and they denied it when ProPublica called them to ask whether

01:09:14.020 he had ever even applied there.

01:09:16.080 West Point said, no, he never even applied.

01:09:17.600 And no, he wasn't accepted.

01:09:19.260 And the inability for the Pentagon to pass audits or this West Point thing are a perfect

01:09:23.640 indication of the dysfunction that currently exists in our Defense Department.

01:09:28.020 How is it possible that Pete Hegseth is going to do a worse job rooting that out than Lloyd

01:09:32.560 Austin?

01:09:33.180 It's insane.

01:09:34.040 I think the guy should be.

01:09:36.600 I think I think Pete gets confirmed.

01:09:39.640 I think you've done a terrific job showing the truth on these fake allegations that were

01:09:44.600 brought up against him.

01:09:46.180 I think that he has done a tremendous job supporting the veterans with his work for charity.

01:09:52.420 And I think he is the right person for that job.

01:09:55.460 He's someone who has served.

01:09:57.400 And I think President Trump showed he has a mandate.

01:10:00.820 I hope every senator understands that the American people are completely behind President Trump.

01:10:05.380 And he made this pick for a reason.

01:10:06.880 It's because Pete's the right guy for the job.

01:10:09.100 Mm hmm.

01:10:09.760 All right.

01:10:10.300 Now, I'm going to ask you to go faster on the next one.

01:10:13.320 Yes.

01:10:13.520 It's RFKJ.

01:10:15.160 RFKJ.

01:10:15.760 Holmes, does he get confirmed?

01:10:17.520 Yes.

01:10:19.460 Ashbrook?

01:10:20.440 Yeah.

01:10:21.540 Yep.

01:10:22.360 Duncan?

01:10:22.720 Yes.

01:10:23.400 Yeah.

01:10:23.960 Yes.

01:10:24.220 I think he gets confirmed, too.

01:10:25.860 OK, good.

01:10:26.920 And those are really the most controversial.

01:10:28.700 I will ask you quickly about the wacky Surgeon General candidate who is I don't know what's

01:10:33.940 happening with this woman.

01:10:34.880 She sounds pretty leftist.

01:10:36.460 She was leftist on the covid lockdown.

01:10:38.020 She's left it on the language she uses around the trans issue and children.

01:10:44.100 She's been controversial amongst the right.

01:10:47.180 But does she get through or do some of these senators vote her down?

01:10:51.060 Holmes?

01:10:51.800 Yeah.

01:10:52.180 Look, I think this has popped up in a couple of different places.

01:10:54.340 I also think the nominee for the secretary of labor has not the same set of issues, but

01:10:59.360 also some concern from within.

01:11:01.040 And that's where you start to get nervous because the Democrat Senate conference is

01:11:04.900 not typically one that doesn't take a skin where they can get it.

01:11:07.480 And they may ideologically be OK with some of these nominees, particularly the labor nominee.

01:11:12.720 But I don't think they're going to give votes for it.

01:11:14.440 If they think they can take a scalp, they're going to take it.

01:11:17.360 So I don't know.

01:11:18.580 I mean, some of those ones get a little dicey when you're dealing with something less than

01:11:22.340 full throated support from a Republican conference.

01:11:26.580 Ashbrook?

01:11:27.680 Yeah.

01:11:27.940 Surgeon General Labor?

01:11:29.620 Listen, I agree with everything that Josh just said about this labor nominee.

01:11:33.220 There are concerns about support for the PRO Act and things like that that Republicans

01:11:37.820 really don't like, conservatives don't like.

01:11:40.500 And you can see Democrats trying to take her out.

01:11:44.740 Yeah, I don't know.

01:11:45.960 I know the PRO Act thing is an issue on the labor nominee.

01:11:49.200 But like at the end of the day, if Nick Papagiorgio can be the ambassador to Greece, I think

01:11:54.860 they should be able to find a way to get confirmed.

01:11:57.800 Tommy Boy?

01:11:59.500 Tommy Boy.

01:12:00.600 No, that's a Vegas vacation.

01:12:01.900 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:02.540 Vegas vacation.

01:12:04.100 Yeah.

01:12:04.800 Smug, do you agree?

01:12:07.080 I say yes.

01:12:08.180 I think across the board for all of Trump's nominations, I think Tom Cotton made a great

01:12:11.440 point.

01:12:11.760 He said the media is trying to gin up the story that Senate Republicans need to get some

01:12:15.600 scalp and downvote anyone because it's some made up tradition.

01:12:18.380 It's not.

01:12:18.900 He had the numbers that the vast majority of presidential picks get confirmed by their

01:12:23.620 own party in the Senate.

01:12:24.420 And I think for President Trump, it'll be the same story.

01:12:26.400 Yeah, you only lost one in seven.

01:12:29.360 Okay.

01:12:29.720 Now we've got to move on to what Rosie O'Donnell has dubbed the alien invasion over New Jersey.

01:12:36.320 And I know you guys have the finger on the pulse of the Rosie news.

01:12:39.200 So by the way, have you been following what's happened to Rosie?

01:12:42.240 She's developed herpes.

01:12:44.300 Yes.

01:12:44.620 As a result of Donald Trump.

01:12:46.360 Yes.

01:12:46.900 I saw that.

01:12:47.580 Very, very tough look, I might add.

01:12:49.560 It's vampire herpes.

01:12:50.460 She said it happens in sunlight.

01:12:52.040 Yeah.

01:12:53.340 So she's got herpes.

01:12:54.520 I mean, I just not for nothing, but she there's an update on her herpes.

01:12:57.240 She actually she's been keeping us.

01:13:00.140 I've got to play this for I'm there is news to get to, but I'm sorry.

01:13:03.620 First, you need to watch this because I had to watch this.

01:13:06.120 And therefore, this is where you watch this.

01:13:08.140 This is where this comes here.

01:13:09.620 Yeah.

01:13:09.800 This is where we do it to you.

01:13:11.300 Okay.

01:13:12.620 This is what is it?

01:13:13.520 Which the one we want?

01:13:14.320 We want.

01:13:15.600 Isn't it 20 to 20?

01:13:17.840 Is it 20 or 19?

01:13:18.940 Deb.

01:13:24.140 Oh, boy.

01:13:24.980 I am nervous.

01:13:25.860 Oh, God.

01:13:26.240 I can't give two minutes over to Rosie O'Donnell.

01:13:28.760 So she gives an update on her herpes, saying that it's being treated with a very small,

01:13:34.780 very teeny tiny tube of Abreva.

01:13:38.260 And she laments the cost of her new herpes cold sore medication.

01:13:42.560 But then I've got to play this.

01:13:44.400 I don't know.

01:13:45.240 Why do we need to get updated?

01:13:46.880 I'm telling you next is hemorrhoids.

01:13:49.580 And my preparation age, it got the one on the top, but not the one on the bottom.

01:13:54.420 So, okay.

01:13:55.560 So then she goes on.

01:13:57.700 She's very focused on New Jersey and the UFOs.

01:14:00.740 You'll see why I'm playing this for you.

01:14:02.320 It's not 20.

01:14:03.640 I have people saying, stop talking about the UFOs.

01:14:06.280 I'm not going to stop talking about the UFOs.

01:14:08.880 You know, when the Native Americans were here and Christopher Columbus pulled up in all of his ships,

01:14:14.980 the consciousness of the Native Americans couldn't even imagine

01:14:19.740 that those were boats full of people.

01:14:23.640 And I think that's what's going on with all the UFOs all over the world.

01:14:28.100 It's not just New Jersey.

01:14:29.660 Pay attention.

01:14:30.760 Right?

01:14:31.960 Their drones?

01:14:33.520 From where?

01:14:35.100 China sent over one balloon and then they sent over thousands of plasma-like blinking ships?

01:14:42.020 I mean, really.

01:14:47.080 Excuse me.

01:14:47.700 That was a burp.

01:14:48.380 That was a Diet Coke burp.

01:14:49.440 Oh, my God.

01:14:50.580 It's ridiculous.

01:14:52.140 I don't know.

01:14:54.860 Guys, I don't know if she got a Breva.

01:14:56.440 I think she got ayahuasca.

01:15:01.060 How about a land acknowledgement?

01:15:03.140 You know, I'm pretty sure Indians knew how to, like, float on water.

01:15:06.100 They had canoes.

01:15:06.860 They had canoes.

01:15:07.540 They did have that.

01:15:08.480 Like, just when you think she can't get any grosser, right?

01:15:12.060 She's burping on camera.

01:15:14.380 She's showing you're a cold sore.

01:15:16.500 And she's burping on camera.

01:15:16.700 You get an unidentified fletch on object?

01:15:18.860 Like, that's not what I signed up.

01:15:21.840 Smug, thank you.

01:15:23.260 I don't even know what—I don't know why my team is sending me new updates.

01:15:27.880 I thought the Zoomers were over-sharers on TikTok.

01:15:30.780 And not to be outdone, the Boomers come in strong with the over-sharing.

01:15:34.660 I mean, it's unbelievable.

01:15:36.200 I think you're absolutely right.

01:15:37.040 Next thing is going to be the Preparation H and the Hemorrhage.

01:15:38.940 Wait, I just can't even process that stuff.

01:15:41.640 I feel like somebody needs to send her some Maalox or something to get that shit under control

01:15:46.760 because no one wants to see her here.

01:15:48.960 Okay, speaking of the alleged UFOs, we'll put together some points because we've been dying to get to this story.

01:15:55.000 All right, so now I'm going to walk you through what's happening.

01:15:58.580 Obviously, it's been a hell of a year, so why not end it with mystery UFOs or UAPs?

01:16:02.820 That's how they're referred to now.

01:16:04.920 Unidentified—I can't remember what they're called.

01:16:07.340 Steve Krakauer is obsessed with UAPs, so he'll tell me.

01:16:10.140 Anyway, they're saying they're drones.

01:16:12.040 What is it?

01:16:13.540 Unidentified aerial or unmanned aerial phenomenon.

01:16:16.480 Yeah.

01:16:17.460 So they're saying that they are drones.

01:16:19.580 We don't know what they are, but they are terrorizing folks in the good state of New Jersey.

01:16:22.860 This started on 11-18, which I remember because that's my birthday, and there have been a whole lot of new developments in the last week.

01:16:30.460 We're going to go through them.

01:16:31.280 All right, now, the first sighting, as I say, 11-18, the drones have been spotted in the sky every night thereafter.

01:16:38.040 They've been seen over reservoirs, highways, military installations, and near President-elect Donald Trump's Bedminster golf course.

01:16:44.640 During one incident, the drones prevented a medical helicopter from picking up a person injured in a car crash.

01:16:50.840 What?

01:16:51.920 A spokesperson for the Morris County Sheriff's Office described the drones as similar to small cars.

01:16:57.340 They've said that they look like SUVs.

01:16:59.200 A police chief for the town of Evesham in New Jersey, I don't know it, but they say most of this is happening in Ocean County by the shore, in New Jersey, said witnesses have called the drones as large as an SUV with blinking lights on them.

01:17:13.860 Here's a compilation of eyewitnesses capturing the objects on camera and describing what they saw.

01:17:20.480 There they are.

01:17:22.100 There they are.

01:17:23.680 There they are.

01:17:24.420 Marmora, New Jersey.

01:17:37.600 We shouldn't be outside.

01:17:40.080 Go.

01:17:41.580 Well, here they are.

01:17:43.160 They look like a fucking triangle.

01:17:45.640 They look like a triangle.

01:17:48.800 Oh, my God.

01:17:49.840 Here we go.

01:17:51.060 Here it is.

01:17:53.260 Look at that sucker.

01:17:54.420 Are you freaking kidding me right now?

01:17:59.720 It looks like a triangle.

01:18:00.780 What is that?

01:18:02.740 No way.

01:18:04.160 And an F-16 just flew over.

01:18:07.600 No way.

01:18:09.140 This one is extremely low.

01:18:11.960 It's loud.

01:18:14.860 It's really cute.

01:18:15.940 And it's huge.

01:18:16.820 It's so big.

01:18:18.200 It looks so much closer in person.

01:18:19.800 Yeah, my camera doesn't do it.

01:18:22.040 It looks like a spaceship, right?

01:18:24.260 Like, that doesn't look like a drone, right?

01:18:27.620 That looks like a spaceship.

01:18:30.120 It's coming right for them.

01:18:32.000 It's like a small plane.

01:18:33.420 It really is like a small plane.

01:18:34.800 These are all drones in the sky.

01:18:43.400 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven.

01:18:50.420 Seven right here.

01:18:51.540 I got this.

01:18:54.080 That's crazy.

01:18:56.160 A young guy heard in that mashup also captured one of the only videos we've seen of the drones

01:19:01.040 around dusk.

01:19:02.440 You see it gliding through the sky.

01:19:05.220 And all these are going from dusk to around 11 o'clock at night, they say.

01:19:08.940 Look at this.

01:19:09.380 Another eyewitness told the New York Times the drones show up one after the other following

01:19:14.900 the same flight path.

01:19:17.020 A New Jersey lawmaker citing New Jersey State Police said the sightings, again, they begin

01:19:22.400 around sundown, they go through 11 p.m., and sometimes the drone's lights are turned off,

01:19:27.700 making them harder to spot.

01:19:29.500 And police have indicated they do not appear to emit radio frequencies, which allows them

01:19:35.180 to avoid detection.

01:19:37.040 They don't know where they take off from or land.

01:19:40.880 They do believe they're coming from the water, at least according to some of the officials.

01:19:44.260 They say that they're not drones, that they're not drones being flown by hobbyists or related

01:19:50.020 to DHS.

01:19:50.840 This is what they're saying.

01:19:52.200 They don't believe they're hobbyists, and they don't believe it's coming from DHS.

01:19:56.120 After the initial report in mid-November, the FAA banned drones from flying over a military

01:20:00.760 base in Morris County and over Trump's Bedminster.

01:20:03.580 State leaders told constituents, the drones do not pose any threat to the public, no threat

01:20:08.680 whatsoever.

01:20:09.460 They don't know what the hell they are, but don't panic.

01:20:12.100 What the?

01:20:12.600 How are we not supposed to panic or worry if you have no freaking clue what they are?

01:20:16.620 And we had at least one lawmaker come out and say exactly that.

01:20:19.680 On Tuesday, the governor of New Jersey, Phil Murphy, came out and talked to reporters.

01:20:24.940 Again, he said, don't panic.

01:20:26.480 There's nothing to panic over.

01:20:27.500 But he also admitted that he spent all day on the phone with the White House trying to

01:20:30.940 get answers and listen to how he described them.

01:20:33.980 I was on with the White House and Homeland Security leadership literally at the very top

01:20:38.880 yesterday for pretty much all day.

01:20:42.240 I'm hoping we'll get answers sooner than later.

01:20:45.000 I would just ask folks to continue to let the FBI or their local law enforcement know when

01:20:50.160 they see something.

01:20:51.100 And we'll continue to do everything we can with our federal partners to get clearer answers.

01:20:55.700 Why is it so hard to get answers?

01:20:57.980 These are apparently very, as I understand it, very sophisticated.

01:21:02.040 The minute you get eyes on them, they go dark.

01:21:06.140 What?

01:21:06.360 And, you know, we're obviously most concerned about sensitive targets and sensitive critical

01:21:13.000 infrastructure.

01:21:14.240 So we've got military assets.

01:21:15.900 We've got utility assets.

01:21:17.640 We've got the president elects one of his homes here.

01:21:20.560 This is something we're taking deadly seriously.

01:21:22.800 We've got good cooperation out of the feds, but we need more.

01:21:26.240 And that's that was my plea.

01:21:28.660 Oh, man.

01:21:29.800 No answers.

01:21:31.160 And don't panic.

01:21:32.340 After the governor's remarks, Republican state senator John Bramnick called on the governor

01:21:37.400 to declare a limited state of emergency and ban all drones until someone explains what

01:21:42.700 the hell's going on here.

01:21:43.960 But so far, that has not happened.

01:21:45.600 New Jersey state senator Douglas Steinhardt then went on Fox News and in an interview said

01:21:52.700 that the objects are indeed coming from offshore.

01:21:56.420 The best information that we have available to us to this point suggested that these drones

01:22:01.820 are coming from offshore, that when we try to make contact with them, they become evasive

01:22:06.440 and elusive.

01:22:08.300 You know, from my perspective, if they are American assets, if they're American military,

01:22:12.820 if they're American drones, and I think we owe the American people answers or explanations.

01:22:16.200 But if they're not, if they're not American made, if they're not American drones, then I

01:22:20.900 think, you know, we owe the American people action.

01:22:22.880 And if no one else is saying, I'll be the first one to say it, if these are not American

01:22:26.860 assets, then we need to get our assets, assets into the air and blow one of these things

01:22:31.960 out of the sky, pick up the pieces and figure out what we're dealing with.

01:22:34.300 Because quite frankly, you know, we're the United States of America.

01:22:37.500 I mean, I think we need to do a better job here.

01:22:40.180 Douglas Steinhardt, right on.

01:22:41.920 Stand by.

01:22:42.460 There's more.

01:22:43.960 Also on Tuesday, the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee questioned the FBI

01:22:48.340 assistant director of critical incident response about whether the public is at

01:22:52.360 risk here.

01:22:53.080 That director, Robert Wheeler, admitted, we have no idea.

01:22:58.380 We do not attribute that to an individual or a group yet.

01:23:02.660 We're investigating, but I don't have an answer of who's responsible for that, of one or more

01:23:08.480 people that are responsible for those drone flights.

01:23:12.700 It is concerning.

01:23:14.600 Is the public at risk?

01:23:16.200 Is public safety at risk?

01:23:17.620 Are we concerned that there are nefarious intentions that could cause either national

01:23:22.300 security or a public safety incident that would put Americans at risk?

01:23:26.700 There's nothing that is known that would lead me to say that.

01:23:33.240 But we just don't know.

01:23:34.640 And that's the concerning part.

01:23:36.400 Yeah, there is something that's known.

01:23:38.120 Hundreds of drones are flying over New Jersey the size of SUVs.

01:23:42.140 And they go dark when you get eyes on them and they won't interact with us.

01:23:46.900 There's there's something.

01:23:48.520 Yeah.

01:23:48.960 So then yesterday, the story really took a turn when Republican Congressman Jeff Van Drew

01:23:55.320 of New Jersey went on Fox News and claimed that sources told him this is Iran.

01:24:01.860 Watch.

01:24:02.300 Iran launched a mothership probably about a month ago that contains these drones.

01:24:10.300 That mothership is off.

01:24:11.900 I'm going to tell you the deal.

01:24:13.360 It's off the east coast of the United States of America.

01:24:16.180 And again, these are from high sources.

01:24:17.700 I don't say this lightly.

01:24:19.020 Know that Iran made a deal with China to purchase drones, motherships and technology in order to

01:24:27.180 go forward.

01:24:28.300 The sources I have are good.

01:24:29.960 They can't reveal who they are because they are speaking to me in confidentiality.

01:24:34.720 These drones should be shot down.

01:24:37.340 The military is on alert with this.

01:24:40.680 It's Iran.

01:24:42.400 And only Jeff Van Drew will tell us the truth.

01:24:45.880 There's a mothership in the Atlantic right off the coast of New Jersey.

01:24:50.420 What?

01:24:51.580 OK, but hold your horses, because not long after his remarks, a spokesman for woman,

01:24:56.700 the Pentagon, came out and shat all over his claims.

01:25:01.880 There is not any truth to that.

01:25:03.860 There is no Iranian ship off the coast of the United States, and there's no so-called

01:25:08.480 mothership launching drones towards the United States.

01:25:11.760 What's happening?

01:25:12.900 What's what's what's happening?

01:25:14.100 OK, so, so far, New Jersey Assemblywoman Dawn Fantasia has given the best wrap up of where

01:25:21.480 things stand.

01:25:22.080 She tweeted a long thread on X yesterday after meeting with New Jersey State Police.

01:25:26.600 Bottom line, she writes, we know nothing, period.

01:25:30.380 She then went on to admit, quote, to state that there is no known or credible threat is

01:25:35.300 incredibly misleading.

01:25:36.860 She said the state is shackled with what it's able to do.

01:25:40.540 Any interception must be done by the feds.

01:25:43.080 She admitted at this point, military intervention is the only path forward and said there will

01:25:47.700 be no answers in the absence of proactivity.

01:25:51.120 New Jersey State Representative Brian Bergen told News Nation's Rich McHugh that he actually

01:25:56.220 walked out of the briefing fed up with the lack of information.

01:26:00.920 I walked out because it was it was worthless.

01:26:03.020 It was the biggest amateur hour presentation I've ever seen about anything.

01:26:07.780 OK, it was ridiculous.

01:26:09.000 There were no answers.

01:26:10.560 Every question that was asked by a member of the state legislature, great questions,

01:26:14.580 no answers, no resolution.

01:26:16.480 They don't know where the drones are coming from.

01:26:17.840 They don't know who's doing it.

01:26:18.780 They don't know why they're doing it.

01:26:19.920 But they say there's no credible threat.

01:26:21.800 The colonel of the state police said that he had a helicopter of his flying over above one

01:26:26.840 of these drones, a six foot drone or something.

01:26:28.900 I can't remember exactly what he said.

01:26:29.960 And he just he felt unsafe for his helicopter.

01:26:32.400 So he just let it go.

01:26:33.860 Just let it go.

01:26:35.000 Where'd it go?

01:26:35.540 Who knows?

01:26:36.340 You know, didn't want to follow it because you didn't feel safe.

01:26:38.480 That is that not the most ridiculous thing you've ever heard?

01:26:40.780 They're saying no threat.

01:26:41.580 But how the hell do they know?

01:26:42.920 They don't know anything.

01:26:43.860 They don't know what it is.

01:26:44.900 They don't know where it come from.

01:26:45.860 They don't know nothing.

01:26:48.100 Oh, they don't know nothing.

01:26:49.780 And are we sure they're drones, by the way, and not alien spaceships?

01:26:53.200 I mean, could Rosie O'Donnell for once be right?

01:26:54.700 John Greenwald Jr. has been studying UFOs and UAPs for decades.

01:27:01.700 We actually interviewed him on this program back in 2021, episode 116, if you want to

01:27:05.420 check it out.

01:27:06.060 And he said these drones are not alien.

01:27:10.120 He wrote on X, an intelligent civilization won't travel light years just to check out

01:27:15.180 New Jersey.

01:27:15.680 He said aliens are not going to show up and resemble drone swarms.

01:27:25.120 And this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

01:27:26.560 He's filed over 10,000 public information requests to the government trying to figure

01:27:29.480 out what's out there and what's not.

01:27:30.680 And he said he's kind of amused at people being so disappointed that he said they're not

01:27:34.560 aliens, but that's his call.

01:27:36.420 Maybe we can also feel comforted by the fact that Elon Musk does not believe that these

01:27:39.960 are aliens at all.

01:27:41.840 Here he is last month talking to Tucker Carlson.

01:27:43.620 If anyone would know about aliens on Earth, it would probably be me.

01:27:48.320 I would think.

01:27:49.120 Yeah, I'm, you know, very familiar with space stuff.

01:27:53.960 And I've seen no evidence of aliens.

01:27:56.920 So I would immediately tweet, you know, tweet it out.

01:28:00.260 It says, let's hang it.

01:28:01.520 That would be like, well, all time, probably top tweet of all time.

01:28:05.220 I found one.

01:28:07.280 It's a jackpot.

01:28:09.220 It's a million likes, you know.

01:28:11.220 But it was like some general, I think, in the 60s who said, like, show us aliens, like

01:28:18.680 era 51, et cetera.

01:28:20.340 And he said, like, listen, we are constantly trying to get the defense budget to expand.

01:28:25.940 And you know what would really get no arguments for anyone?

01:28:29.540 If we pull out an alien and said, we need money to protect ourselves from these guys.

01:28:35.940 How much money do you want?

01:28:37.200 You got it.

01:28:41.000 So good.

01:28:41.720 Even Doge would let that money stand.

01:28:44.260 OK, so it's probably not aliens.

01:28:46.820 I guess it's not Iran.

01:28:48.760 That's what the Pentagon says.

01:28:49.860 But they lie to us all the time.

01:28:51.420 Governor Murphy of New Jersey has no idea.

01:28:53.060 The FBI claims to know nothing.

01:28:54.680 The White House isn't saying.

01:28:55.800 So what is going on?

01:28:57.620 A retired Navy SEAL, Clint Emerson, who now runs a security firm, said this is probably

01:29:03.800 a secret U.S. government program.

01:29:08.020 He spoke with the New York Post and said the program is likely so top secret that when our

01:29:12.940 government officials claim they don't know what it is, it's probably true.

01:29:16.820 They probably actually don't.

01:29:19.480 So is that comforting at all, guys?

01:29:21.920 Do you feel better or worse about?

01:29:24.840 No, but again, like, why would you pick New Jersey to conduct, you know, a densely populated

01:29:29.400 area?

01:29:29.800 Hey, I'm flying here.

01:29:35.540 They did find alien life and then they found out it was just Snooki and the situation turned

01:29:40.980 right back around, back to the Iranian mothership.

01:29:44.580 I like that last explanation the best, don't you think?

01:29:49.120 Why wouldn't we be shooting these out of the sky unless we know it's us or somebody in

01:29:53.220 charge knows it's us?

01:29:54.840 Oh, I'll do it somewhere else.

01:29:56.400 Well, I just hear the shit out of people.

01:29:57.840 I can't imagine an adversary assembling a swarm of drones and then keeping the running

01:30:02.600 lights on on the drone.

01:30:04.320 You know what I mean?

01:30:05.000 Like, so that doesn't make sense to me.

01:30:06.420 It is sort of indicative of why January 20th can't come soon enough, because you've got

01:30:11.240 like state reps and like local sheriffs and stuff like you need, like Roscoe Pico train

01:30:16.500 is going to be the one that figures out what the thing is flying over your head.

01:30:19.240 And like the feds don't say anything.

01:30:20.980 They don't know anything.

01:30:21.880 There's no federal government response.

01:30:23.400 Like you have an obligation.

01:30:24.800 I mean, the first and most important part of an administration is to make sure that

01:30:28.900 your citizenry is protected, particularly against foreign threats.

01:30:32.060 Yeah.

01:30:32.180 If there is even a little bit of a question about whether this Iranian, whether it is

01:30:36.900 whatever, you have an obligation to go out and say, nope, military demonstration or something.

01:30:42.460 That's not giving away secrets, but you got it.

01:30:44.560 You got to satisfy that.

01:30:45.860 The fact that these guys let a balloon fly halfway across our country is indicative of

01:30:50.500 this larger problem that maybe they don't have their eye on the ball at all.

01:30:54.320 That's I think that's the heart of the issue.

01:30:55.840 Why Americans have no clue what's going on is because the loss of trust in the government

01:31:00.280 to protect them when you had a Chinese balloon fly all the way across America.

01:31:04.180 And this administration has shown time and time again that American safety is not their

01:31:09.620 priority whatsoever.

01:31:10.800 So now we're left with a vacuum of information and you have all these people trying to come

01:31:14.600 up with their own theories.

01:31:15.240 Could be aliens.

01:31:16.500 People, Americans aren't feeling safe right there.

01:31:18.500 And it's because the Biden administration has shown that they don't care about protecting

01:31:22.420 Americans.

01:31:22.800 Just today, Joe Biden pardoned two Chinese spies.

01:31:26.180 Do we really believe he's trying to keep us safe in the last days of this administration?

01:31:29.620 By the way, spies who stole technology from aviation companies, including General Electric.

01:31:37.420 Oh, interesting.

01:31:38.660 Here's the question, though.

01:31:39.820 If it's us, then why are we still doing it?

01:31:43.240 Once it became a big story here, wouldn't we have said, oh, all right, maybe like we

01:31:47.760 had our time.

01:31:48.780 We've been doing it since November 18th.

01:31:50.360 Let's shut it down now that it's the story of every massive media organization.

01:31:54.000 So that's weird.

01:31:56.360 And if it is us, whatever team knows that it's us would definitely be feeding a lie out

01:32:03.040 about it.

01:32:04.080 You know, there'd be like, oh, it's this.

01:32:05.940 You know, they wouldn't be just like, gee, we don't know.

01:32:08.560 Right.

01:32:08.900 I feel like they'd be feeding us a lie of some sort.

01:32:11.140 Maybe that's why Van Dyke was whatever his name is, was sent out there.

01:32:15.100 Maybe somebody tried to get him to pin it on Iran.

01:32:17.920 I don't I have no idea what's happening here.

01:32:19.900 I'd love to know more, I think, will this mystery be solved?

01:32:24.580 I can't believe in a state full of Italians and no one shot one of these down.

01:32:30.540 As a New Jersey property owner, I would love to see them do it because they do appear to

01:32:35.140 be unmanned.

01:32:36.140 OK, so we're taking your submissions, members of the audience.

01:32:39.340 Email me, Megan at MeganKelley.com.

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01:34:54.960 So it's the time of year when we all watch our favorite Christmas specials and get ready

01:34:59.800 for the big holiday.

01:35:01.300 And we do that even though our kids are now getting older.

01:35:04.120 Now my kids are 15, 13, and 11, but we all still love it.

01:35:08.220 And so we started with the animated classics.

01:35:10.140 We did Santa Claus is Coming to Town and we did Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.

01:35:14.620 And it did occur to me at this point in my viewing of these classics that Santa is portrayed

01:35:22.540 as a bit of a prick in the one special in particular, and that is Rudolph.

01:35:30.500 He is ostracizing, somewhat bullying, intolerant of differences.

01:35:35.980 And I will give you exhibit Sot 55.

01:35:40.380 He's got a shiny nose.

01:35:44.840 Sh-sh-shiny?

01:35:46.120 I'd even say it'd glow.

01:35:50.580 Well, we'll simply have to overlook it.

01:35:53.340 How can you overlook that?

01:35:54.960 His beak blinks like a blinking beacon.

01:35:57.320 Ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho.

01:36:00.080 Well, Donner, where's the new member of the family?

01:36:05.520 Great bouncing iceberg.

01:36:07.400 Now, I'm sure it'll stop as soon as he grows up, Santa.

01:36:10.940 Well, let's hope so if he wants to make the sleigh team someday.

01:36:17.800 For crying out loud.

01:36:20.680 Fireball, what's the matter?

01:36:22.560 Get away.

01:36:23.500 Get away from me.

01:36:24.860 Now, now, now, now.

01:36:25.920 What's this nonsense here, Bucks?

01:36:27.400 After all, gah!

01:36:29.400 Oh!

01:36:30.400 Oh!

01:36:32.360 Hey, look at the beak.

01:36:34.140 Look at the beak.

01:36:35.060 My snooze.

01:36:35.900 Stop calling me names.

01:36:40.680 Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.

01:36:43.820 Donner, you should be ashamed of yourself.

01:36:46.760 What a pity.

01:36:47.920 He had a nice takeoff, too.

01:36:50.640 Oh!

01:36:52.060 Santa!

01:36:53.660 Santa is a bully!

01:36:55.880 And that's not it!

01:36:57.280 Who could forget when the little elves put on a preview of their Christmas concert for Santa

01:37:02.580 and take a look at how he reacts?

01:37:05.600 Ho, ho, ho!

01:37:06.820 We are Santa's house!

01:37:08.500 Ho, ho!

01:37:13.020 Hmm.

01:37:13.840 Well, it needs work.

01:37:15.480 I have to go.

01:37:17.440 What does Papa know?

01:37:19.140 It's beautiful.

01:37:20.740 You keep it just the way it was.

01:37:23.120 Papa?

01:37:24.120 Papa!

01:37:24.520 How did I never notice this before, guys?

01:37:31.740 He likes to run a tight ship.

01:37:34.060 And plus, it's a 1950s classic, if I'm not mistaken.

01:37:37.740 Like the mantra is, Rudolph looks different and different is bad.

01:37:41.240 Right.

01:37:41.800 I mean, here's the thing.

01:37:43.500 Santa's a man with a lot of responsibilities.

01:37:45.220 He has to deliver like 4.3 trillion presents in one night.

01:37:48.740 He can't deal with these unknown variables.

01:37:50.840 This guy's nose looks like it's going to blow up.

01:37:53.260 Who knows what's going on?

01:37:54.620 Maybe they've loosened up immigration.

01:37:56.400 You've got these dudes over with a picking nose.

01:37:58.540 He's not taking risks.

01:37:59.520 He's got to take care of kids.

01:38:01.300 And then also, you know, I think it's almost like the problems that we're seeing today with

01:38:05.900 DEI.

01:38:06.600 You're trying to highlight someone just because they're different.

01:38:09.420 If he's the best deer for the job, let him fly.

01:38:11.500 And that's the lesson.

01:38:12.620 He proved his worth.

01:38:13.860 He didn't say, I'd like to highlight the other deer who came before me.

01:38:16.380 No, he went and they took out the abominable snow monster.

01:38:20.040 And in a blizzard, suddenly this thing that he was ostracized for became an asset for

01:38:24.960 Santa.

01:38:25.620 Yeah.

01:38:25.960 And these elves, they prepare their concert and they can't give him number one.

01:38:30.120 A little bit of a quality control guy.

01:38:33.160 You know, I mean, he delivers a lot of toys.

01:38:34.640 They got to make a lot of toys.

01:38:35.660 You got to get it right the first time.

01:38:38.360 I didn't see this coming.

01:38:39.840 Team Santa.

01:38:40.820 All of it is justified.

01:38:42.160 I get it.

01:38:42.680 It is a new era.

01:38:44.120 It's the dawn of a new day post-Trump.

01:38:45.900 We defend Santa.

01:38:46.960 We don't care how much of a bully he is.

01:38:48.580 And once we annex Canada, the North Pole will be in the United States of America again.

01:38:53.720 That's right.

01:38:54.060 And we can make those toys right here.

01:38:56.240 Domestically.

01:38:56.840 That's right.

01:38:57.440 Good point.

01:38:58.800 I love Smug's line.

01:39:00.240 He can't be dealing with these unknown variables.

01:39:05.720 Love the fellas.

01:39:07.440 And we are back tomorrow, everybody, with Hugh Hewitt and more.

01:39:11.080 We'll see you then.

01:39:11.560 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

01:39:16.080 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - December 12, 2024

Trump's Newsy ＂Person of the Year＂ Interview, Caitlin Clark Bends the Knee, and Mysterious Jersey ＂Drones,＂ with Ruthless ｜ Ep. 963

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