The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump's Power of Persuasion, and Democrats Downplaying Biden Corruption, with Scott Adams and Margot Cleveland

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.020 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:00:17.200 If you are in the Northeast like I am, you are probably experiencing the monsoon that we are experiencing here.

00:00:25.020 The videos coming out of New York, which is, you know, an hour away from, well, 45 minutes from where I am.

00:00:31.600 I mean, epic. The flooding is terrible. The subways are flooding. It's like, I mean, it's been biblical this past week.

00:00:40.400 Five straight days of rain, one day of sun, and now we're back to, oh, it gets depressing, right?

00:00:46.400 But I have good news for you because in just a little bit, we're going to be joined by a first-time guest on the program.

00:00:51.480 Scott Adams is here. You know Scott. I mean, he's been extremely successful.

00:00:57.320 He's the genius behind the Dilbert comic. He's one of the most successful comics of all time, comic strip narrators and creators.

00:01:07.900 And he's got such an interesting way of thinking. He's got a new book out.

00:01:12.760 And one of the things that he shows you in the book is how to reframe the way you may be thinking about things, whether it's your life, your luck, your attractiveness, the weather.

00:01:27.120 And, you know, this guy, he's like a trained hypnotist.

00:01:29.740 This is the man who saw Trump after that August 15 debate where he and I sparred a bit.

00:01:34.940 And everybody was like, oh, he's done. He's done. He's done.

00:01:37.740 Scott Adams wrote a piece, I think, a week later saying he's going to be the next president.

00:01:42.140 And actually, it wasn't, you know, anything based on the polls.

00:01:46.260 He could see the way Trump was communicating because he had a background in hypnosis and persuasion.

00:01:51.740 And he could tell that Trump understood it, too.

00:01:55.340 So he's got these really cool insights.

00:01:57.500 He got himself and, you know, he got himself canceled basically earlier this year, which we covered on the show.

00:02:02.700 But there's a lot to get into with Scott Adams.

00:02:04.720 I'm excited to talk to him for the first time.

00:02:06.640 But we're going to start with the impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden.

00:02:11.420 We thought it was important to bring it to you because it's been totally ignored by the mainstream media and will likely continue to be, especially if it starts to get bad for Joe Biden.

00:02:20.240 It was just an opener.

00:02:22.120 So what happened and what should we expect?

00:02:24.260 Margot Cleveland is senior legal correspondent at The Federalist, and she has covered the Biden corruption story for years.

00:02:30.860 Margot, welcome back to the show.

00:02:31.940 So what what was your headline in watching what happened yesterday?

00:02:36.780 Oh, boy, the Democrats are in denial and the Republicans are starting to present the evidence to the American public for the first time.

00:02:47.560 OK, so what what was the lead takeaway, though?

00:02:49.400 Because when I watched, they had three lawyers, four lawyers, really.

00:02:52.700 One was a damn lawyer.

00:02:54.040 And Jonathan Turley is the one I listen to for most things.

00:02:57.440 I love his legal analysis.

00:02:58.720 Always have, you know, even before he seemed more right leaning.

00:03:01.460 He seemed like a fair guy to me.

00:03:03.060 And he seemed to be saying, look, it's bad.

00:03:06.920 It looks very bad.

00:03:08.080 It looks corrupt.

00:03:08.980 Debbie, do we have that soundbite yet?

00:03:11.140 But we don't have it yet.

00:03:13.400 We we don't.

00:03:14.380 It's not time for an actual impeachment yet.

00:03:18.120 Absolutely.

00:03:19.160 I love Jonathan Turley, too.

00:03:20.800 I've listened to him for years and he's the one that everyone should really be focusing on because he laid it out very straight.

00:03:29.440 And it was pretty funny.

00:03:30.760 The Democrats were bashing him for actually being open minded during it.

00:03:35.100 But I think Turley made a really good point when he said, we know that there was a pay to play.

00:03:43.560 What we don't know yet is if President Biden committed impeachable offenses.

00:03:49.700 And he said, what we need to look at is, did Biden get any of the money?

00:03:55.880 Did Biden know this was going on and help and assist on it?

00:04:01.000 There's evidence that indicates it, but not yet enough to convict.

00:04:05.640 So I agree.

00:04:06.720 Turley was definitely the one to listen to on that.

00:04:10.680 And that is really what the inquiry is about.

00:04:14.600 We know that there was corruption going on, that Hunter Biden benefited.

00:04:20.140 And we have circumstantial evidence that the money went back to the big guy.

00:04:24.740 We've got the email of the 10 percent to the big guy.

00:04:27.760 We have Hunter saying, you know, Pops takes 50 percent of everything I make.

00:04:34.020 You saw lots of connections also that Biden was changing policy as the vice president, whether

00:04:41.800 it was the Russian mayor's wife paying money and then all of a sudden she's not on the sanction

00:04:49.180 list when they invaded Crimea, or if it's the firing of the Burisma prosecutor.

00:04:55.420 So we also have evidence showing that there was actually a change in policy.

00:05:01.340 But as Turley said, we need to have more evidence before we can have this this hearing and potential

00:05:09.380 conviction of President Joe Biden.

00:05:13.080 All we heard from the Democrats all day was no evidence.

00:05:17.340 There's no evidence completely ignoring, Margo, the fact that Comer stated openly the purpose

00:05:22.680 of yesterday was just to begin, just to set the stage for why the inquiry was necessary.

00:05:29.460 And there was not even an attempt by the Republicans to begin the fact presentation and finding process.

00:05:38.000 Right.

00:05:38.580 It was crazy how they kept saying that there was no evidence.

00:05:42.360 And, oh, yeah, Donald Trump is bad.

00:05:44.180 And, oh, yes, we're about to have a shutdown.

00:05:46.900 So much evidence, not by fact witnesses, but documentary evidence from the bank records,

00:05:54.280 from references to the emails and the text messages were presented.

00:05:59.240 But the other thing they did is anything that was evidence, the Democrats wrote off as, oh,

00:06:04.140 this was from Rudy Giuliani, so we can't trust it.

00:06:07.420 This wasn't for Rudy Giuliani.

00:06:09.620 This was from bank records.

00:06:11.960 This was from the confidential human source that had nothing to do with Rudy Giuliani.

00:06:16.900 So there was a lot of evidence.

00:06:19.120 But as you also said, we were just starting the process.

00:06:22.300 They were trying to lay this out and say, this is why we need the inquiry, because we

00:06:27.680 have so much evidence of the corruption and quite a bit of circumstantial evidence tying

00:06:34.440 President Joe Biden to the corruption, whether it's him benefiting or changing policy, that we

00:06:41.860 need to have more.

00:06:42.660 The Democrats' response is, oh, there's no evidence this should be shut down.

00:06:48.180 Turley said, I'm trying to find it, but he said it was one of the most sweeping examples

00:06:52.980 of corruption that he's ever seen.

00:06:55.600 One of the most devastating examples of corruption he's ever seen.

00:06:58.580 And he said this is a town awash in corrupt influence peddling, you know, down in D.C.

00:07:04.880 I've been a critic of influence peddling by both Republicans and Democrats for three decades.

00:07:09.420 I've been writing about this a long time.

00:07:11.040 Influence peddling is the favorite form of corruption in Washington, D.C., and this city

00:07:16.900 is awash with it.

00:07:18.420 But have I seen anything of this size and complexity?

00:07:22.280 No.

00:07:23.000 Just as an observer?

00:07:24.520 No.

00:07:25.980 But this is particularly bad.

00:07:28.220 Now Comer's putting the number.

00:07:30.020 We had the IRS whistleblowers on this program.

00:07:32.140 They said they're putting it at over 17 million that Hunter took in as a result of all these

00:07:37.800 corrupt connections.

00:07:39.280 Then Comer had put it at over 20 million for the Biden family and their associates, pushing

00:07:45.440 Joe Biden's name.

00:07:46.620 This is the gift that they were giving.

00:07:48.220 No other services besides were related to Joe Biden.

00:07:51.760 And now today they revised it up to 24 million.

00:07:55.020 So what kind of subpoenas is he now issuing?

00:07:58.440 What should we expect in terms of new data as a result of the inquiry officially being underway?

00:08:05.800 Sure.

00:08:06.060 So we saw a hit either late last night or this morning.

00:08:09.100 I'm losing track of the timing.

00:08:10.940 More subpoenas for bank records.

00:08:13.120 And that's going to be important because what we need to see is where this money went.

00:08:17.540 We know it was going through all of these different corporations that were set up, but we don't know

00:08:24.800 everywhere that it went.

00:08:26.500 So we're going to see more subpoenas on that.

00:08:28.740 I would hope that we're also going to see more information from the whistleblowers.

00:08:34.000 So there was a big dump of documents earlier in the week that went through and detailed what

00:08:41.160 they found as part of the investigation.

00:08:43.660 But it's really important to remember that the investigation did not get into at all President

00:08:50.320 Biden.

00:08:51.220 They weren't allowed to ask those questions.

00:08:53.840 They weren't allowed to look at those documents.

00:08:56.000 They weren't allowed to get emails.

00:08:58.180 Another thing the whistleblowers noted was when they did searches of the computer, they didn't

00:09:03.680 use Joe Biden's aliases.

00:09:06.480 So they weren't able to get any of that type of information.

00:09:09.640 So I would expect also more subpoenas to go out for email accounts, text accounts that

00:09:17.380 are coming, again, from third parties.

00:09:19.600 So we're not looking at, you know, oh, this was hacked material.

00:09:23.700 This is coming from third party providers.

00:09:26.360 And to look at those aliases, to look at those text messages, to see what Joe Biden was doing,

00:09:33.100 what kind of communications he was having.

00:09:36.000 Now, it also came out yesterday that Hunter Biden, we think it was Hunter Biden, accepted

00:09:41.160 a $260,000 payment, $1,250, $110,000 payment.

00:09:48.040 Explain the timing and how these two payments, which were from the Chinese, were linked back

00:09:55.460 to the address that Joe Biden lives in.

00:09:58.600 Right.

00:09:59.940 So the timing of that was around, I believe, when they were seeking a recommendation letter

00:10:05.720 for one of their daughters for either college or grad school.

00:10:10.400 And at this time, Hunter Biden did not live with the big guy any longer.

00:10:15.900 So the fact that it was shown as going to his address, again, is more evidence connecting

00:10:22.540 President Biden to this pay-to-play scandal.

00:10:25.300 And we also have the kind of contradiction between, was this a loan or was this supposed

00:10:31.020 to be an investment?

00:10:32.760 One of the individuals testifying yesterday is a forensic accountant.

00:10:38.000 And he said, look, if it was a loan, you're going to have documents to back it up.

00:10:42.480 And there aren't any documents for that.

00:10:45.380 So that, again, is just more evidence of Joe Biden's personal involvement in this.

00:10:51.700 And it happened because Joe Biden launched his 2020 White House bid.

00:10:55.800 He announced it in April of 2019.

00:10:58.120 These payments came in July and August 2019.

00:11:02.080 Suddenly, $260,000 is being sent from these Chinese officials to the Joe Biden Delaware

00:11:11.020 home, or at least that's the home listed as the beneficiary address for the payments.

00:11:16.620 They're suggesting that, you know, Hunter didn't live there at the time, but that, on the other

00:11:22.800 hand, it was the address Hunter used on the bank account that the money was going to.

00:11:27.860 In any event, all of this stinks.

00:11:29.900 And I feel like, Margo, beyond a doubt, we've proven that Hunter Biden and his family members,

00:11:34.780 let's exclude Joe for right now, were influence peddling with Joe Biden's name.

00:11:38.760 There just is no doubt about that.

00:11:40.180 He did it.

00:11:40.680 He offered no services, and he got rich doing it, many, many millions, just for being a Biden

00:11:46.660 and obviously promising access to Joe Biden.

00:11:49.640 And why does access to Joe Biden mean anything?

00:11:52.340 It's not so that you can say you know a famous person or someone who is the sitting vice president

00:11:57.440 or was just the—it's because you want him to do something for you.

00:12:01.680 That's why influence matters, because it gives you power to do something.

00:12:06.140 But I've gotten confused, I confess, in watching just some of yesterday's testimonials, because

00:12:11.680 if we know that the Bidens are corrupt—again, let's exclude Joe from this for just purposes

00:12:17.120 of argument.

00:12:18.300 And we know also—Turley said this, too—you don't actually have to prove that Joe got a

00:12:22.360 bribe.

00:12:22.980 It's enough that Hunter was essentially bribed.

00:12:25.880 You know, it's enough that they were paying Hunter all this money to have access to the Biden

00:12:28.800 name.

00:12:29.380 Then why are—why aren't we done?

00:12:31.060 Why do we have to keep digging on whether Joe cashed checks or Joe got 10% to 50% of

00:12:38.860 Hunter's money?

00:12:40.320 Like, why?

00:12:41.800 Why?

00:12:42.160 It's interesting, and it's even worse, but why is it necessary?

00:12:45.940 Because he's a Democrat.

00:12:47.580 It really comes down to that, that the Democrat Party is standing behind him.

00:12:53.240 And I think it's in part because the entire impeachment of Trump with Ukraine was based

00:12:59.300 on covering up for Joe Biden.

00:13:01.520 So they are continuing to cover up and to present all of the evidence that connects Joe Biden

00:13:08.180 to this as nonexistent when it does exist.

00:13:12.160 I think that Turley, though, is maybe being a little bit more nuanced on this and is saying,

00:13:18.260 look, yes, we know that the money was given to Hunter, and that's enough to show that there's

00:13:23.920 corruption, but to make it rise to the level of an impeachable offense, we need to give

00:13:30.480 more of a connection to President Biden.

00:13:33.440 I think that we are there.

00:13:34.940 I think, Megan, that we're not just talking about him selling access.

00:13:39.640 We're talking about then-Vice President, later candidate Biden, giving access, whether it's

00:13:50.320 him picking up the phone and saying, hi, gentlemen, I'm glad you're there.

00:13:54.520 Oh, isn't it a monsoon here?

00:13:56.760 And talking about weather.

00:13:58.460 That is proving that he had access.

00:14:02.340 So we already have that.

00:14:04.600 And that's the part that, to me, is amazing, that the media is not looking at this as the

00:14:10.640 huge scandal it is.

00:14:11.900 We know Vice President Biden, candidate Biden, gave access to these people who are paying

00:14:19.260 his son.

00:14:20.260 What we might not know is, did he directly benefit and did he change American policy?

00:14:27.160 I'd argue neither of those matter.

00:14:29.440 But we also have evidence of both of those.

00:14:31.900 Again, right from Hunter Biden's own text messages, which is another thing that was funny.

00:14:38.320 The Democrats tried to say, oh, those text messages and emails, they didn't mean anything

00:14:42.060 because he was a drug addict at the time.

00:14:44.600 So don't take him credibly.

00:14:47.220 Why then was he getting money for investments from the Chai Combs?

00:14:50.520 And why was he paid to be on Barisa's board?

00:14:53.140 And then we also have the call that Hunter Biden made to dad two days or a few weeks, I'm sorry,

00:15:02.840 not a few weeks, a week before Vice President Biden went to Ukraine and demanded the prosecutor

00:15:09.340 be fired.

00:15:10.700 What's the Democrats' response?

00:15:12.080 Oh, well, that was American policy.

00:15:13.960 They were going to fire him anyway.

00:15:15.280 So the upside of that is that Joe Biden built Burisma out of this extra money for doing

00:15:22.840 what he was going to do anyway.

00:15:24.540 Again, we have overwhelming evidence of him participating in this selling of access, him

00:15:32.580 getting money from his son and him changing American policy.

00:15:39.080 We need maybe more.

00:15:40.380 We also have that he got money from Hunter so far, actual proof.

00:15:43.980 And by the way, let me just table that question for one second, because the timeline really

00:15:48.160 is interesting.

00:15:48.900 I mean, we know they keep saying, oh, this was U.S. policy.

00:15:51.720 The Europeans wanted that prosecutor looking into Burisma fired.

00:15:54.920 Then they claim he wasn't even looking into Burisma.

00:15:57.040 He was.

00:15:57.700 The Burisma was under investigation and they were feeling the heat and they needed help.

00:16:01.240 They put Hunter Biden on the board and the heat continued.

00:16:03.780 And what happened in the fall of 15 was thanks to John Solomon's reporting.

00:16:07.940 We know they they reached out to Hunter and they said, my God, we need help.

00:16:14.960 And at the same time, the State Department messaging, as Joe Biden was considering going

00:16:19.260 over to Ukraine, was they're doing better.

00:16:21.660 They're doing better on investigating corruption.

00:16:23.020 And apparently they were because Burisma was feeling the heat.

00:16:25.920 And, you know, we're going to give them their billion dollars in aid.

00:16:28.620 We're going to do it.

00:16:29.540 That was all happening at the same time.

00:16:31.440 We were pleased at state with the corruption investigation in the Ukraine.

00:16:36.020 Burisma was not pleased because it was on the receiving end of it.

00:16:39.620 And Hunter, as a result, was not pleased either because he was representing Burisma.

00:16:43.440 And we know that Burisma pulled Hunter aside and said, for the love of God, we need help.

00:16:48.760 And then came Hunter's phone call to his dad, the sitting vice president.

00:16:52.800 And then what we know from John Solomon's reporting is like that.

00:16:57.240 But Joe Biden appears to be the one who changed the policy, who changed the messaging to the surprise

00:17:04.720 of the State Department that was ready to give Ukraine the aid.

00:17:08.460 He appears to be the one that said, nope, now we're going to withhold the aid unless they fire

00:17:13.720 the prosecutor who two minutes earlier they were saying was doing a good job.

00:17:17.520 Absolutely.

00:17:18.520 Absolutely.

00:17:19.520 And I actually have an article up today that gives another piece of that puzzle.

00:17:25.580 Two days before the phone call, so December 2nd, 2015, there was a briefing that was high

00:17:34.260 level officials.

00:17:35.180 And somehow Blue Star, who was doing the lobbying for Burisma, who was connected to Hunter Biden,

00:17:42.820 was involved in that briefing, heard about the details of what Joe Biden's message was going

00:17:50.340 to be to Ukraine, which was we need more anti-corruption efforts.

00:17:56.080 They sent a memo.

00:17:58.700 Blue Star, the consulting company that was doing lobbying, Hunter Biden set up with Burisma.

00:18:04.600 Blue Star sent a memo to Burisma saying, hey, this is what Vice President Biden is going to be

00:18:13.760 talking about in Ukraine.

00:18:15.920 They got that memo with these talking points two days before they had Hunter make the phone call.

00:18:22.500 So there's even more evidence that this impacted what the policy was.

00:18:29.280 So in other words, just to dumb that down, he, Hunter Biden, has a connection to this PR

00:18:34.580 group.

00:18:35.320 The PR group joins a call that was for press, but it was invited press.

00:18:39.120 They were invited.

00:18:39.880 But why?

00:18:40.620 Who the hell's ever heard of this group?

00:18:42.100 They're not a CBS, an ABC, a Fox.

00:18:44.320 They get on the call and they hear State Department officials saying, here's what the messaging

00:18:48.240 is going to be when the vice president goes over to Ukraine.

00:18:51.100 And they lay it out.

00:18:52.040 It was only supposed to be for the papers and the reporting purposes, senior department officials.

00:18:56.700 That's it.

00:18:57.340 But this Blue Star groups connected to Hunter goes back to Burisma and they're like, holy

00:19:02.520 shit, listen, this is exactly the messaging that they're going to say.

00:19:06.260 And it's not good.

00:19:07.580 And here's exactly who said this on the call, which, again, was supposed to be just on background.

00:19:11.780 And then that group, now Burisma has the inside information and they talk to their board member,

00:19:17.800 Hunter.

00:19:18.400 Next thing you know, Hunter calls dad.

00:19:21.140 Absolutely.

00:19:22.080 You laid it out perfectly.

00:19:23.720 That's exactly what happened.

00:19:25.980 And like you said, it wasn't just on background senior officials.

00:19:29.600 They named these individuals and they were high up individuals in the Obama-Biden administration.

00:19:35.860 How the heck did they get on that phone call?

00:19:38.740 I'm baffled by, again, more access.

00:19:41.880 I mean, I can't get on those phone calls and I'm a reporter.

00:19:45.940 And even mainstream top tier reporters, it's usually a few of their kind of special gifts to it.

00:19:55.180 So how they got on this was just amazing to me.

00:19:59.260 And again, it was two days before that phone call.

00:20:02.820 And that was a week before Vice President Biden is over there saying,

00:20:08.640 you're going to fire that prosecutor or you're not getting your billion dollars in aid.

00:20:14.000 It's like in response to all this, we continued yesterday to just hear no evidence, no evidence.

00:20:19.700 And it's like they're always going to say that.

00:20:21.520 They're not going to change even when we have witness testimony, factual witness testimony,

00:20:25.400 as opposed to legal experts setting the standards out before we launch into the fact witnesses.

00:20:29.480 They're never going to say we've seen evidence because we've already had IRS.

00:20:33.100 Whistleblowers.

00:20:33.980 I mean, how many whistleblowers, like one after the FBI whistleblower, they come forward.

00:20:38.600 They don't care.

00:20:39.280 The Democrats are always like, no, I'm not persuaded by that either.

00:20:42.020 But here's just a sampling for the audience at home of how the Democrats were messaging yesterday's hearing.

00:20:48.260 We'll start with that one.

00:20:49.280 This illegitimate impeachment inquiry, that is not going to yield a scintilla of evidence.

00:20:55.700 The majority sits completely empty handed with no evidence of any presidential wrongdoing, no smoking gun, no gun, no smoke.

00:21:05.580 Here we are in our first hearing.

00:21:07.460 No one has any actual knowledge or evidence.

00:21:10.700 There's nothing new here.

00:21:12.120 Thank you to Mr. Donald Trump for calling this hearing today as it demonstrates the House GOP and Donald Trump's continued attacks on our institutions and on our democracy.

00:21:25.220 Really kind of doesn't remember I've said this before.

00:21:30.480 Remember when you used to respect.

00:21:32.800 Congress and like if somebody was a U.S.

00:21:35.480 Congress person, you'd be like, wow, that's pretty cool.

00:21:37.680 But these these people are morons.

00:21:39.500 They're dishonest morons.

00:21:40.640 It's very obvious they could not get hired in the private sector.

00:21:43.580 Truly.

00:21:44.200 Dan Goldman has that job because his family is billionaires.

00:21:46.940 They own Levi Strauss.

00:21:48.280 I don't know who that last person was, but I think she had to run off to her track meet right after that was over.

00:21:53.300 These are like children who are in here with absolutely no willingness to get a true and accurate assessment of what's being presented.

00:22:01.520 They don't care.

00:22:02.320 It's all run cover for Joe.

00:22:05.340 They don't care.

00:22:07.020 And this really is such a huge scandal.

00:22:09.880 This is, as Charlie said, never seen anything of this scale.

00:22:14.460 What it's going to take is one Democrat to actually have some courage and say, this is serious.

00:22:22.020 We need to do something about it.

00:22:24.280 I don't know if we're ever going to get to that point.

00:22:27.300 I do think, though, in addition to the whistleblowers, we're going to have a lot more information that still hasn't come out.

00:22:34.180 Senator Grassley is very much involved, but on the quiet side.

00:22:40.820 He has a whistleblower who has been giving him information.

00:22:43.820 He's the one who gave the FD-1023.

00:22:47.000 That was the information from the confidential human source about Burisma supposedly paying the $5 million to Hunter and Joe.

00:22:55.860 So we still have that whole area to come out.

00:22:59.840 So I wouldn't be surprised that at some point we reached the tipping point.

00:23:05.520 But we're going to also need the press to be honest again.

00:23:09.160 It's not just the Democrats who have gone to the running track meets instead of doing their job.

00:23:16.580 The media is not holding the government accountable.

00:23:20.480 This type of scandal should be on the front page of every newspaper.

00:23:25.920 And until the media starts acting like a free press again, we're going to have this continued corruption going on.

00:23:34.040 And instead, and by the way, we will know as soon as the messaging changes by the Dems doing these hearings and the media, we'll know they're getting rid of Joe Biden.

00:23:45.740 If they start to do their job and sound more like honest brokers, we'll know there's a Democrat plan to sub him out and sub somebody else in.

00:23:53.400 I wanted to round back to the question that I paused myself on, which was the only, quote, proof we have so far that Joe Biden was taking a piece of Hunter's money is the Hunter email, I think, to the uncle, right, on his own laptop, which we now know, of course, is his, complaining that he had to give 50 percent to his dad.

00:24:13.580 Right. I think it was 50 percent of his money to his dad and then separately correspondence to the Bobulinski deals saying 10 percent reserve for the big guy.

00:24:21.740 But as far as I know, just off the top of my head, those are the two so far main pieces of evidence we have that Hunter's money, the money he took in was going to Joe.

00:24:31.060 Now, whether money went directly to a Joe Biden shell company and so on, Comer's investigating all that.

00:24:36.620 But do I have it right? So I think the text message was actually to his daughter.

00:24:42.020 Hunter was complaining, I'm not going to make you give me half the money like pops did.

00:24:46.700 But I also think there was one other part where Hunter was paying for some repairs on his father's house.

00:24:52.660 I think that's the only other connection that we have.

00:24:55.600 And really, they're in one of the Grassley letters that he sent, there was reference to Bitcoin.

00:25:04.340 And I think that that's where we're going to find the money going.

00:25:09.180 So, again, Grassley is really sly.

00:25:11.720 What's that?

00:25:13.240 That we're going to see money from the not bank accounts, but it was going through that kind of the new economy, the Bitcoins.

00:25:21.380 Oh, Bitcoin. Oh, yeah.

00:25:22.680 OK, I'm sorry. I said that. I'm sketchy.

00:25:25.240 They use that for scams and like nefarious purposes all the time.

00:25:29.320 Right. And in there and I'll put up on Twitter later today, the Grassley letter that references that in a footnote.

00:25:37.820 You've really got to look at everything that comes out of Grassley.

00:25:41.060 But I think that that is where we're going to end up finding the connection and where the payments are coming from.

00:25:47.280 So what we get instead on Capitol Hill, instead of any open mindedness to.

00:25:51.720 All right. Let's at least see where it goes is.

00:25:55.340 He loved his son. He loved his son.

00:25:58.080 Oh, my God. I can't believe they're still trying to peddle this.

00:26:02.080 I'll give the audience just a little flavor.

00:26:04.280 Start with SOT3 Democratic Representative Yasmin Crockett.

00:26:08.100 I will tell you what the president has been guilty of.

00:26:12.260 He has unfortunately been guilty of loving his child unconditionally.

00:26:16.380 And that is the only evidence that they have brought forward.

00:26:18.960 And honestly, I hope and pray that my parents love me half as much as he loves his child.

00:26:24.540 Well, I don't think they do. Otherwise, they would have gotten you a proper education.

00:26:28.920 You wouldn't be saying such dumb ass things as a U.S. congressperson.

00:26:32.740 Then we've got Democratic Representative Maxwell Frost attacking the Republican witnesses.

00:26:38.260 And you'll hear how he lands it.

00:26:39.620 These witnesses are not giving any answers.

00:26:43.200 They're just asking more questions.

00:26:45.320 We have one witness who has a lot of questions, Ms. O'Connor.

00:26:48.640 Dubinsky, one witness who knows something about accounting but has no real involvement in what's going on.

00:26:53.080 And Mr. Turley stopping here on his way to his next Fox News hit.

00:26:56.720 This this is not a serious inquiry.

00:27:00.860 And this entire fake impeachment inquiry isn't about the United States.

00:27:04.380 It's about Hunter Biden.

00:27:05.640 And the only thing the president is can be guilty of here is being a father.

00:27:11.440 Oh, my God, what a hack that you could see Professor O'Connor literally drops the jaw,

00:27:16.380 like stunned at how inappropriate those comments were.

00:27:19.480 And the thing is, Margot, the Republican witnesses, the three lawyers were so measured and like very honest.

00:27:26.160 You know, we we don't have it yet.

00:27:27.700 But here's why we I think the inquiry is appropriate.

00:27:30.220 And I really hope Joe Biden did not do this stuff.

00:27:33.160 But we should be open minded because if he did, we need to know that's that was the messaging.

00:27:37.340 These were not fire breathers.

00:27:39.300 Right.

00:27:40.160 And yet, for example, the attacks on Jonathan Turley, the moron who brought up something 20 years ago

00:27:47.720 when he was defending the sister wives, remember the sister wives?

00:27:50.720 Yes.

00:27:51.180 The polygamy and tried to make him sound like he was a polygamist who's he was like some sort of a deviant.

00:27:56.700 Actually, we have it.

00:27:57.960 I'll play that, too.

00:27:58.980 This is Democratic Representative Raja Krishnamurthy.

00:28:04.900 Sot seven.

00:28:06.400 Professor Turley, in 2006, you wrote an op ed in The Guardian entitled, quote,

00:28:12.500 Stop persecuting polygamists there.

00:28:16.280 You liken polygamists to, quote, persecuted minorities.

00:28:20.260 And you said polygamy is, quote, a practice with deep and good faith religious meaning.

00:28:25.000 Isn't that what you said?

00:28:26.540 I represented the sister wives, a family in challenging a polygamy prosecutor.

00:28:34.000 The answer is yes.

00:28:35.220 You've been crusading for legalizing polygamy for years.

00:28:38.960 In fact, in an op ed in the USA Today, you said that a Utah polygamist named Tom Green,

00:28:48.380 who was also convicted of pedophilia for raping his 13-year-old stepdaughter,

00:28:53.840 should not have been charged with polygamy.

00:28:56.200 Now, Mr. Chairman, we're counting.

00:28:58.220 Can I respond?

00:28:59.620 Because it's not entirely accurate.

00:29:00.860 I actually criticized him.

00:29:02.740 What I was dealing with was the constitutionality of what is called morals legislation.

00:29:06.740 And I admit I'm pretty libertarian.

00:29:09.460 Was Tom Green convicted of pedophilia and rape?

00:29:12.700 Was he convicted of pedophilia and rape?

00:29:15.800 The answer is yes.

00:29:18.700 Just an absolute character assassination, trying to make him sound like some sort of a pervert,

00:29:23.960 Margold.

00:29:24.340 That's what he was trying to do.

00:29:27.260 Absolutely.

00:29:28.320 It was appalling what they were doing with the witnesses, who, as you said, were extremely

00:29:34.000 measured.

00:29:34.660 The Democrat witness, on the other hand, they were just teeing him up to bash Trump and to

00:29:40.980 say this is a ridiculous exercise.

00:29:44.880 The Republican witnesses were answering the question, but they never went to the level

00:29:51.860 of saying, yes, he should be impeached.

00:29:55.320 Yes, he did this.

00:29:57.000 They were saying why an impeachment inquiry was appropriate.

00:30:00.400 And for the Democrats to go forward with that character assassination was absolutely ridiculous,

00:30:07.140 as was trying to tie what Joe Biden was doing as being a loving father.

00:30:12.580 I'm sorry.

00:30:13.160 If you have a son who is addicted to drugs, you don't put him out there to run the family

00:30:18.680 business, to make you more money.

00:30:20.940 You try to get him help.

00:30:22.280 You know, and even like my the more I look at it, the more I think to myself, OK, so I

00:30:28.700 agree with everything you just said.

00:30:29.560 It's not loving to put your drug addled son on these boards and so on, but I don't really

00:30:33.340 care.

00:30:34.020 Maybe it's loving towards your son.

00:30:35.200 It's not loving toward the American people who you are being paid to represent as the

00:30:39.620 sitting vice president.

00:30:40.720 So I don't really give a shit whether you love your son and are trying to take care of

00:30:44.260 his bank account.

00:30:44.920 I couldn't care less.

00:30:45.940 I care about me.

00:30:47.380 I care about my audience.

00:30:49.180 I care about my fellow citizens.

00:30:51.160 I care about our honor as a country.

00:30:53.400 That's what I care about.

00:30:54.340 I don't give a shit whether you love your son.

00:30:55.860 That's why I don't care what his motives were in allowing it to happen.

00:30:59.480 I just care that he did it.

00:31:01.200 That's that's the issue.

00:31:02.540 Stop bringing up the love.

00:31:04.260 I should say something, though, about Jonathan Turley.

00:31:06.860 He's a very well-respected legal professor, law professor at George Washington University.

00:31:12.360 He's been there for years.

00:31:13.400 He's used to get bipartisan love until he made the sin of becoming a contributor on Fox

00:31:19.680 News.

00:31:20.820 And later, even under this kind of kind of character assassination with his three kids

00:31:25.020 there watching him, he had brought his children, which is sweet.

00:31:27.980 He was given the chance not by the Democrats, but by the Republicans to offer a word on what

00:31:33.860 had just happened to him.

00:31:35.020 Listen.

00:31:36.280 I'd like to explain what that that attacked out with nothing else for members of the committee

00:31:42.160 than for my three children here, who may be a little surprised by what they just heard.

00:31:47.340 As they, I think, know, I've spent my life challenging what is called morals legislation.

00:31:54.740 What the Democratic member attacked me for are laws that dictate to others how they should

00:32:00.280 live their lives.

00:32:01.100 Some of those laws have been used against gay and lesbian couples.

00:32:05.780 They've been used against minorities.

00:32:07.800 The individual that the member described, I condemned.

00:32:11.520 This has become a pattern of witnesses, whistleblowers, FBI agents, journalists being attacked in Congress.

00:32:20.300 The public has something in Congress to look to to have faith.

00:32:25.040 And I have to tell you, it's not that I think that absurd attack meant any difference to my

00:32:29.560 children or to the people that are watching.

00:32:32.380 It makes a difference to our process.

00:32:35.780 Such an honorable man, Margo.

00:32:37.760 And he takes a risk of total character assassination in just doing his civic duty here.

00:32:44.900 That response was amazing.

00:32:47.160 And he he called it right.

00:32:49.080 This isn't just about him.

00:32:51.420 It's bigger.

00:32:52.060 It is an attack on Congress.

00:32:55.320 It's an attack on how our system should work.

00:32:58.220 And instead of looking at the corruption, they are trying to attack every messenger that

00:33:03.740 comes forward.

00:33:04.380 We saw this with the whistleblowers, as he pointed out.

00:33:08.180 We are going to see it with anyone who stands forward and says, this is what happened.

00:33:14.340 You saw it with Bobulinski when he came forward with evidence, with Devin Archer.

00:33:20.260 Anything that is harmful to the Biden family, it is destroy the messenger.

00:33:24.860 And this has to stop.

00:33:26.260 We need, as a country, for those in Congress to take serious their responsibility to make

00:33:34.880 sure the corruption does not continue.

00:33:37.380 You know, I've used this before, but it's just so apt.

00:33:41.760 I love the movie, The Omen.

00:33:44.760 It's so scary.

00:33:46.020 I think it's the scariest movie, but like in a good way.

00:33:49.340 And in that movie, there's that there's it looks like a Rottweiler.

00:33:53.180 I think it is a Rottweiler who's protecting the little devil boy, Damien.

00:33:57.020 And it turns into a nanny and she's his jackal.

00:34:03.560 It's a jackal protecting the devil spawn.

00:34:05.900 And I'm telling you, these Dems who we just showed are acting like jackals, like just protect,

00:34:12.880 protect, protect without any thought for the ethics of what you may be defending.

00:34:17.740 Now, maybe he will be exonerated.

00:34:19.500 Maybe they won't be able to close the loop.

00:34:21.560 I think we're already there because of, you know, what we talked about, how you don't really

00:34:24.960 have to tie it to Joe.

00:34:26.120 But whatever, if they want to set a higher standard standard for impeachment, I'm fine

00:34:30.080 with that, too.

00:34:31.800 Maybe we won't get there.

00:34:33.180 But what I know is these people are dishonest in the process.

00:34:37.000 They couldn't care less where the pursuit will actually take them.

00:34:40.240 They only care about acting like a jackal, protect, protect, protect, kill on behalf of

00:34:45.060 the principal.

00:34:45.580 And what's really dying in the process is us, is our, you know, the bounds of decorum,

00:34:52.100 the way we used to approach these kinds of things, the seriousness with which we used

00:34:55.900 to treat issues like impeachment or congressional hearings.

00:35:01.120 It's gone.

00:35:01.880 It wasn't so long ago when I joined Fox News in 2004.

00:35:04.680 I used to sit there and watch C-SPAN all day.

00:35:06.900 And it was it was it had more gravitas even then.

00:35:10.020 Wasn't that long ago.

00:35:11.200 But bit by bit, we've lost it.

00:35:13.080 I'll give you the last word on it, Margo.

00:35:14.340 I would also say it's not just Congress.

00:35:17.500 It's also the DOJ and the FBI.

00:35:20.280 And that is the other half of the scandal that they covered up for the Biden family.

00:35:27.820 And we know it.

00:35:29.060 I mean, the evidence has come out like you got those two IRS whistleblowers, you know,

00:35:33.440 Gary Shapley and Ziegler.

00:35:35.000 Go back and listen to them.

00:35:36.220 Listen to them on Capitol Hill.

00:35:37.320 We'll get you an episode number when they came on our show.

00:35:39.600 You tell me whether you have any doubt.

00:35:41.400 Those are truth tellers.

00:35:42.420 And they talked about how the DOJ tried to stop them at every turn from looking into the

00:35:46.720 seriousness of Hunter's crimes of Joe Biden himself.

00:35:50.420 Anytime it came up to Joe Biden, they were like hard.

00:35:53.080 No, you will not be investigating him.

00:35:55.280 You won't you won't talk to the adult grandchildren of Joe Biden.

00:35:58.860 You won't do anything that affects the big guy.

00:36:00.520 Now we learned yesterday you will not be investigating anything having to do with Joe Biden's foreign

00:36:04.580 business dealings.

00:36:06.100 Nothing that might bring in public integrity because there were some IRS agents who when

00:36:11.360 Hunter Biden got a Democrat donor to pay off the two million in back taxes, the IRS said

00:36:16.080 that's not OK either.

00:36:17.340 That's actually a campaign contribution illegal.

00:36:19.740 And they got shut down.

00:36:20.980 Contrast that with what happened to Donald Trump, who allegedly paid off Stormy Daniels not to

00:36:25.520 come forward with her affair allegations.

00:36:27.340 Oh, that the DOJ wanted to investigate that, at least the New York state prosecutors are

00:36:31.720 now saying was corrupt and wasn't documented properly.

00:36:34.460 And he's being criminally prosecuted for it when it's Joe Biden.

00:36:37.260 No, don't go there.

00:36:38.880 We're not getting the public integrity department involved.

00:36:41.480 Shut it down.

00:36:42.560 This is what's come out.

00:36:44.000 You wouldn't know it from he's a loving father.

00:36:46.540 Now I'm going to go meet with my glee club.

00:36:48.980 All right.

00:36:49.560 Sorry, Margo.

00:36:50.160 I stole the last word as it turns out.

00:36:51.500 So good to say to see you.

00:36:53.560 Thank you for being here.

00:36:55.680 OK, and coming up next, someone I've never spoken to before, but I'm really looking forward

00:37:00.500 to meeting Scott Adams, author of Reframe Your Brain.

00:37:09.980 Now, I guess I'm excited to meet and talk to for the very first time, Scott Adams.

00:37:15.320 Scott is the creator of one of the most beloved and successful comic strips of all time.

00:37:20.800 A comic that has resonated with nearly everyone who spends the majority of their time in an

00:37:25.560 office environment, and that is Dilbert.

00:37:28.660 And Scott's also the host of Real Coffee with Scott Adams and author of the new book,

00:37:34.380 Reframe Your Brain, the user interface for happiness and success.

00:37:41.140 Welcome to the show, Scott.

00:37:42.480 Great to have you.

00:37:43.980 Thanks for having me.

00:37:45.080 It's a pleasure.

00:37:46.260 And I understand you are from originally my neck of the woods.

00:37:50.280 I grew up first 10 years in Syracuse and the rest in Albany.

00:37:53.600 And you're from Wyndham?

00:37:55.980 Yes, Wyndham.

00:37:56.980 You know, Syracuse is the reason I moved to California.

00:37:59.620 My car broke down on a winter highway and I almost died in the snow.

00:38:05.080 And I promised myself that if I lived, I would trade my car for a one-way ticket to California

00:38:09.960 and never see a frickin', never see a snowflake again.

00:38:13.420 And so far, that's been my plan.

00:38:14.660 My God, Syracuse knows snow, and Buffalo too, which is, you know, not too far away.

00:38:21.020 They know snow like nobody knows snow.

00:38:22.760 When I went back there for college and I used to laugh because now, you know, you get two

00:38:27.140 flakes of snow in places like D.C.

00:38:29.100 I lived in Virginia for a little bit.

00:38:30.760 Everything is shut down.

00:38:31.760 In Syracuse, they would literally set up ropes so you could tow yourself to class.

00:38:36.760 There was no canceling because of snow.

00:38:38.920 Snow is your life.

00:38:39.760 Yeah, I would go outside sometimes in upstate New York and you couldn't find the car.

00:38:45.500 Like, I'm going to have to start digging somewhere, but I know there's a car under here somewhere.

00:38:50.260 Yeah, that was fun.

00:38:52.000 It's true in any event.

00:38:53.400 And yeah, we used to, in Wyndham, it's a great place to ski to.

00:38:55.640 Anyway, there are pluses to upstate New York.

00:38:57.800 It's got a lot of natural beauty, mountains, lakes, not too far from the ocean.

00:39:02.940 So I love it for a lot of reasons.

00:39:05.220 My mom is still up there.

00:39:06.140 So that's one thing in one way in which we are bonded.

00:39:09.620 Another is you're a very frank communicator.

00:39:13.160 And I like that about you.

00:39:14.720 You're you know how to cut to the chase.

00:39:16.620 And we would later find out about you when you rose to prominence as both a not not just

00:39:21.180 the man behind Dilbert, but also a social commentator.

00:39:24.760 You've studied it like you actually are an expert in hypnosis.

00:39:29.820 And I guess it's related the field of persuasion.

00:39:32.840 So how did that come about?

00:39:34.080 Well, I got interested in hypnosis when I was a kid because my mother gave birth to my

00:39:40.880 little sister while my mother was hypnotized.

00:39:43.720 So instead of using painkillers, she just was hypnotized by the family doctor who was also

00:39:49.160 a hypnotist.

00:39:50.100 Now, I'm not entirely sure if she told the story correctly.

00:39:55.300 Maybe there were some painkillers there that I didn't hear about.

00:39:58.060 But I was so impressed that when I was in my 20s after college, I signed up for an evening

00:40:03.440 class to learn to be a hypnotist.

00:40:06.220 And it turned out to be the most useful thing I've ever done.

00:40:10.080 Second most useful is the Dale Carnegie course.

00:40:12.600 Different topic.

00:40:13.940 But hypnosis changes everything because it gives you an understanding of persuasion in

00:40:19.500 general, but more importantly, how brains work.

00:40:23.620 And once you understand how a brain works on a practical level, it changes everything in

00:40:28.840 the way you do things and the way you understand the world.

00:40:32.100 The biggest reframe that hypnosis gave me is that I used to think that people were, well,

00:40:38.520 we were rational 90 percent of the time.

00:40:40.580 But sure, every now and then we get a little crazy, but basically we're rational creatures.

00:40:46.620 Hypnosis flips that and says we're irrational 90 percent of the time and 10 percent of the

00:40:52.300 time for very unimportant stuff, such as what's the shortest distance to the grocery store?

00:40:58.460 You know, you can do that stuff with your rational brain, but the rest is rationalization.

00:41:03.380 And once you realize that we're rationalizers after we make the decision, but we don't realize

00:41:08.540 it. That's not how our mind processes our own experience.

00:41:12.840 But science confirms it.

00:41:14.080 The part of your brain that does rational thought gets triggered after the decision is made.

00:41:18.940 So once you learn that, it just changes everything.

00:41:21.840 And then I picked up a lot of the tips along the way.

00:41:26.500 Help me understand that.

00:41:27.820 First of all, when you say the Dale Carnegie, do you mean how to win friends and influence people?

00:41:32.840 Well, that's the book.

00:41:33.860 But there's also a series of classes where you just learn to be comfortable speaking in public.

00:41:38.540 And speaking to strangers, two things that are just enormously valuable in life.

00:41:43.880 OK, I give myself that course in the context of practicing law, where they just throw you

00:41:49.740 in with the sharks and you better swim or you're going to get eaten.

00:41:52.140 That also works.

00:41:54.120 Although speaking of persuasion, the reason that Dale Carnegie works even better than what

00:41:58.400 you described, because I've done that kind of training, too, where they tell you what

00:42:01.900 you did wrong, the Dale Carnegie course, they only allow the other students and the instructor

00:42:08.500 to say what you did right.

00:42:10.600 That's the only rule.

00:42:12.200 And I watched an entire class of people go from couldn't even get out a word in front

00:42:17.680 of other people, like actually couldn't speak, couldn't even form sentences.

00:42:21.740 And by the end of the class, we were all expert speakers.

00:42:26.060 And I watched it, especially with one student who got up there in an air-conditioned room

00:42:31.320 and sweat just came all the way down, dripped off the nose onto the carpet while she stood

00:42:37.560 in front of the crowd.

00:42:38.800 And we all sat there just horrified because, you know, we know we had to go, too.

00:42:42.840 And it was just the scariest, most horrifying, embarrassing thing I've ever seen.

00:42:47.880 And she meekly goes back to her seat, completely defeated, humiliated, embarrassed, beyond all

00:42:56.240 repair.

00:42:57.040 The instructor walks up to the front of the class and he says, wow, that was brave.

00:43:04.220 It changed everything.

00:43:06.140 Because we realized that what we'd seen is an act of bravery that we almost couldn't even

00:43:11.580 imagine.

00:43:11.940 It was so hard what that woman did.

00:43:15.200 The next time she goes up the next week, she had to volunteer again.

00:43:19.340 She wasn't much better, but she got her words out.

00:43:23.060 When she sat down, the instructor said, wow, that was way better, like you've really improved.

00:43:28.640 By the 10th time she gave a speech, she was an expert.

00:43:32.180 And I watched the entire class go through that process.

00:43:35.420 And that's like the ultimate reframe, that if you just focus on what you're supposed to be

00:43:40.100 doing right, it crowds out the thoughts about what's wrong.

00:43:44.200 Now, the other process where you tell people what they're doing wrong, you're really working

00:43:48.340 on the wrong problem.

00:43:49.620 You're working on the specific thing they did.

00:43:52.600 Let's say they had their hands in their pocket.

00:43:54.940 They were jiggling their keys.

00:43:56.040 If you say, don't put your hands in your pocket and jiggle in your keys, all you've done is

00:44:00.960 you've probably just transferred the tick to another part of their personality so that

00:44:06.620 they use their hands too much or some other thing.

00:44:09.200 But if you tell them that they did a good job, even if they didn't, just find something that's

00:44:13.660 true, that they believe, then they get confident.

00:44:16.900 It turns out that being confident is what makes somebody a good speaker.

00:44:20.520 And that's it.

00:44:21.880 Because most people can have a cup.

00:44:22.980 I'm so interested in everything you're saying.

00:44:24.500 Wait, I think it was interesting too that you said something that's true.

00:44:27.280 So you can't do it with false praise.

00:44:29.900 No, no.

00:44:30.440 Because people know what's not true.

00:44:32.520 But when he said, wow, that was brave, she knew that she did something super hard in front

00:44:38.700 of people.

00:44:39.120 She knew that was true, but we didn't know it until the instructor said so.

00:44:44.040 It was phenomenal.

00:44:47.160 I want to hear more about this course.

00:44:48.720 I didn't know, like, I knew the book, of course.

00:44:50.400 I didn't know.

00:44:50.580 Is the course still out there?

00:44:51.480 Like, anybody could sign up?

00:44:52.440 Or do they have to be in New York City?

00:44:53.580 You can do it online.

00:44:54.200 Do you know any details about it?

00:44:56.280 Well, I think it's national.

00:44:57.880 It's the Dale Carnegie.

00:44:59.080 I think there are several varieties of the classes.

00:45:01.940 And all you have to do is Google it and sign up for One Near You.

00:45:05.780 You just probably go at night, one night a week, two nights a week.

00:45:09.120 Something like that for several weeks.

00:45:11.680 And they also teach you how to make conversation with people.

00:45:15.860 In fact, this is one of my reframes in my book.

00:45:19.340 If you have social anxiety and you're thinking, oh, I have to go to this networking event or

00:45:24.760 this big backyard barbecue where I don't know anybody, it's just super frightening if you

00:45:30.060 have social anxiety.

00:45:31.920 But Dale Carnegie teaches you a conversation stack, a set of questions to ask anybody you

00:45:37.920 just met that they will be comfortable with and so will you.

00:45:41.700 And you've created a situation where instead of going into a gathering and you feel like

00:45:47.160 a victim, it's like, oh, everybody's better than me.

00:45:49.680 Everybody's going to look at me.

00:45:50.960 I'm embarrassed.

00:45:52.060 You walk in thinking, oh, if I know these five or six questions, which are basic stuff,

00:45:57.220 where do you work?

00:45:58.140 Are you married?

00:45:58.900 Do you have any kids?

00:46:00.380 That sort of thing.

00:46:01.900 Then you walk in and you say, I can solve problems for people.

00:46:05.140 Oh, there's somebody who looks a little awkward over there.

00:46:07.900 Walk right up to them and solve their problem.

00:46:09.920 Hi, my name is Scott.

00:46:10.980 What's your name?

00:46:12.420 Why are you here?

00:46:13.720 What brings you here?

00:46:15.240 Where do you work?

00:46:15.860 Are you married?

00:46:17.180 Now, when I say those things, you say to yourself, nobody is going to be comfortable

00:46:21.440 if a stranger walks up and starts interrogating them.

00:46:24.440 But what you learn is that they are because their problem is they didn't know what to do

00:46:28.540 or what to say, same as yours would have been.

00:46:31.680 But once you learn what to say and what to do, which is just go introduce yourself, say

00:46:36.320 your name, look them in the eyes, and also use their name.

00:46:40.380 That's another thing that they'll teach you.

00:46:41.840 So as soon as they introduce themselves, put it in your head.

00:46:45.000 And I like to use it right away.

00:46:47.020 If it's a name I like, I'll say, oh, I love that name.

00:46:50.180 Or I like that name so much, I'd name my cat that.

00:46:53.240 There's always something.

00:46:54.660 And when people hear their name, if they hear their name and you ask them questions and show

00:46:59.160 interest, when you leave, they'll say, I met an awesome person.

00:47:03.180 And all you did was just amazing.

00:47:04.420 Do they teach you how to wrap a conversation?

00:47:07.700 Because this is what I'm terrible at in a social setting.

00:47:09.940 Oh, yeah.

00:47:10.380 It's a rejection.

00:47:11.600 I feel like the person's going to feel bad.

00:47:13.240 And I and my husband always sells me up the river because we'll be sitting there and

00:47:17.020 it's very obviously time for the conversation to wrap.

00:47:19.860 And I'll be just about to say, oh, I'm just going to go to the bar and get a drink.

00:47:24.200 And Doug will be like, I'm going to go.

00:47:26.380 I'm going to go get us some drinks.

00:47:27.620 I'll be right back.

00:47:28.180 I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no, I'll get my own drink.

00:47:32.600 I was going to make two suggestions.

00:47:34.360 And that was number one.

00:47:35.320 Number one is, oh, my drink evaporated.

00:47:37.460 Now, people have been using that for years and it always works.

00:47:40.440 If your glass is empty.

00:47:42.820 That sounds like a legitimate reason.

00:47:45.020 But here's here's one.

00:47:46.840 Here's one that you can use that will save you forever.

00:47:50.500 You're going to be so grateful.

00:47:52.140 It goes like this.

00:47:53.020 Hey, Bob, it's been great meeting you.

00:47:55.420 I love talking to you.

00:47:56.960 I've got to do a little bit more mingling.

00:48:00.540 So you say I've got to implement them before you leave.

00:48:04.620 Well, that's the indication also that it's a wrap up.

00:48:08.480 But when you say you need to do more mingling, they also probably need to do the same.

00:48:13.720 And it's a perfect excuse.

00:48:15.560 It's what I call it's what I call the fake because in the persuasion world, sometimes any

00:48:22.080 reason is good enough if you both want the thing to happen.

00:48:26.100 So if you can't think of a reason, if you can't think of a reason to make sense, you

00:48:30.500 say anything and the other person is ready to say, oh, yeah.

00:48:33.660 So you just say, well, I've been talking too long.

00:48:36.980 It's not really a reason, but sounds like one.

00:48:40.320 So, yeah, if you go with that, I better do some more mingling.

00:48:44.360 Everybody accepts that immediately.

00:48:46.600 OK, so it's been great talking to you.

00:48:48.280 I'm I get paid to mingle.

00:48:50.440 And that's you can say if you're the host.

00:48:51.560 I've heard other hosts.

00:48:52.360 I always feel so false when I say I feel like I'm rejecting people.

00:48:56.140 I really need to get over this.

00:48:57.560 I'm going to work on it in our next segment with Scott Adams, who remains with us for the

00:49:01.940 show.

00:49:02.700 Super excited.

00:49:03.600 And don't forget, the book is Reframe Your Brain.

00:49:05.760 We're going to get into some of the specifics, which are just as helpful as that last conversation.

00:49:09.700 So much to get to.

00:49:10.420 We'll be right back.

00:49:15.380 Scott, when we were talking about this method of sort of only complimenting the performance

00:49:20.220 and not raising the downsides, this is how my husband and I parent our children.

00:49:26.260 You know, we try really not to even acknowledge it's almost like the way you train a dog.

00:49:31.640 Our friend is a really good dog trainer.

00:49:33.340 And she said she does this with the animals and we do it with our kids where you just you

00:49:37.700 don't reinforce the negative behavior by giving it any energy.

00:49:40.400 And we're but we're quick to say, like, great manners, you know, at the table.

00:49:45.380 Nice job with your fork and knife.

00:49:46.820 Or that was so nice how you complimented your sister.

00:49:49.540 And I will say our kids are very well behaved.

00:49:52.020 I think this is why it's probably part of it.

00:49:54.980 And one of the refrains that's sort of connected to that is that you can't forget negative thoughts.

00:50:02.260 So, yeah, you know, people have negative thoughts.

00:50:05.040 It might be negative about something that somebody said about them or just, you know,

00:50:09.180 some negative worries.

00:50:10.400 And I tell people you can't get rid of a thought.

00:50:13.460 The only thing you can do is fill your shelf space.

00:50:16.080 So it's the shelf space reframe.

00:50:18.340 So if you fill your if you fill your mind with positive thoughts, keep yourself busy.

00:50:22.740 You can starve the negative thoughts.

00:50:24.860 So just like in your example, it's sort of a cousin to that reframe that if you just put positive thoughts in people's heads,

00:50:32.980 you might be able to fill up their shelf space.

00:50:35.700 There's just nothing left for anything else.

00:50:37.720 But what you definitely can't do is forget an elephant.

00:50:41.520 If I say don't think about the elephant, you can't do that.

00:50:44.520 But you could certainly spend time thinking about other things for long enough to forget the elephant.

00:50:49.900 And I love that you added stay busy.

00:50:52.220 This is this has been the key to my own management of all sorts of things that have happened to me over the past 20 plus years.

00:51:00.660 Just stay busy.

00:51:02.020 People who are woke and annoying and inventing problems based on identity.

00:51:07.640 They're never busy.

00:51:09.220 They have too much time on their hands.

00:51:12.260 Yeah, that's totally true.

00:51:13.860 One of the reframes in the book is to think of your brain as being not just a little blob that's inside your skull,

00:51:20.260 but think about it as your room and the environment and your body.

00:51:25.380 Because sometimes if your brain isn't right, you can fix it by moving these external elements.

00:51:30.780 So you can go to a room that makes you feel better.

00:51:32.900 You can go outside and stand under a tree and it makes you feel better.

00:51:36.420 You can, you know, as you say, stay busy moving stuff around in the real world that needs to be moved around.

00:51:41.820 Do some chores.

00:51:42.520 So I always tell people that if there's something wrong with a little blob inside your skull, just don't think that that's the problem.

00:51:49.960 Your brain is everything connected.

00:51:52.420 It's like one big brain, your body, your environment, your room, everything.

00:51:56.120 Well, one of the things, one of the reframes that you offer in the book is the usual frame of mind would be my feelings are the result of my situation.

00:52:04.760 In other words, like, you know, I just had somebody, somebody died or like I got fired or I got canceled, whatever it is.

00:52:11.460 So my feeling, I feel bad.

00:52:13.200 I feel sad and I feel, you know, grief stricken because of my situation.

00:52:17.560 And you, your reframe is how I feel is my choice.

00:52:22.800 So I love this because I'm a big fan of your only problem is your belief that you have a problem.

00:52:31.060 Yeah.

00:52:31.800 I'll give you an example that, that made that real for me when I was working my corporate jobs and I was doing the Dilbert cartoon on the side and the comic, you know, hadn't reached the point where I could just quit and do that.

00:52:43.680 Uh, before I was doing the comic, I was just coming to work in this awful environment, cubicles and coworkers and backstabbing and all this, you know, bureaucratic stuff.

00:52:54.180 And it would drive me crazy.

00:52:55.860 I mean, so crazy that I created a cartoon strip around it, but the moment I no longer needed to work, but I was going there anyway, I started to go there more for collecting material, frankly, for the comic strip for a few years.

00:53:09.580 I thought I'd run out of material if I quit, but it changed my experience, which was identical.

00:53:14.880 You know, the, the problems were just the same, but I found this different filter, which is now that's just material for the comic strip.

00:53:21.240 So simply by reframing it as material to make me laugh, it took this enormously frustrating life and turned it into entertainment.

00:53:30.400 And it was just that now in that, in that situation that happened to me, but I've also found that I could just sort of, uh, change my frame of how I'm processing things and it works.

00:53:42.980 And one of the reasons that you can do something that doesn't feel true to you, which is, you know, tell yourself that the problems aren't important because maybe they are, uh, is that your brain processes fiction, almost the same way it processes reality.

00:53:58.160 That's why if you go to a movie, you can go, the movie is all made up, but it still might make you cry, might make you laugh.

00:54:05.380 So we can, you can install a little fiction in your brain to temporarily help you get past anything difficult because the fiction does a lot of the work of reality.

00:54:15.880 Like all of this is so interesting on a personal level.

00:54:18.580 And of course we, I don't know, but I like, I'm definitely thinking about Donald Trump over here on the other side because you're, you're the guy who saw it.

00:54:26.760 You saw his abilities before anybody else saw them.

00:54:29.200 And it's just listening to you.

00:54:31.440 It's so clear why you saw it.

00:54:33.400 He's got this crazy, great power of communicating and it's no accident.

00:54:40.760 You were able to identify it as somebody who's got it and understands it yourself.

00:54:45.000 Um, and honestly, it's what he does.

00:54:46.880 I remember Scott, I had him on, um, you know, we had that debate, which you and I can talk about.

00:54:52.100 I know you've written about it.

00:54:53.200 Um, and then nine months later I went to Trump tower and I asked her to knock off the nonsense and he did immediately.

00:54:58.600 And I said, can we sit together and just like sort of have a, it was kind of like a makeup interview.

00:55:03.520 So he said, yes.

00:55:04.420 And we did.

00:55:05.380 And, uh, it did fine.

00:55:06.660 They aired it on Fox broadcast, but we were across from like some series finale of survivor, something like that.

00:55:12.700 So the ratings weren't what we hoped that they were, they would be, but they were okay.

00:55:16.880 So I talked to Trump the next day, of course, and he's like, the ratings were amazing.

00:55:21.100 You know, we, we killed everybody.

00:55:22.540 And I'm like, yeah, yeah.

00:55:24.380 You know, that's what he does every time.

00:55:27.420 It doesn't actually have to be linked in reality.

00:55:31.100 That's how he thinks.

00:55:32.700 It's genuinely how he looks at everything around him.

00:55:35.320 Well, so remember my first reframe, which is that we're irrational 90% of the time.

00:55:42.360 He understands it and lives in that world.

00:55:44.840 Apparently.

00:55:45.500 I mean, I can't read his mind, but it looks like it.

00:55:47.580 So he'll tell you something that's directionally true because emotionally that's what's going to move you.

00:55:53.180 It's like, oh, it's criminals coming across the border.

00:55:55.980 Well, as a percentage is pretty small percentage, but you could feel it and you could feel that there might be more criminals coming later.

00:56:04.940 And sure enough, there's a lot more immigration.

00:56:06.900 So, you know, if you, if you fact check him, he's mad.

00:56:13.260 But if you just say he's, he's working on the 90%, the irrational part of us, but he's got a positive, you know, directions pushing you in better border security, for example, better economy, for example.

00:56:26.340 Then it's not so objectionable if you realize he's, he's just working on an emotional kind of irrational basis, but toward a good point.

00:56:34.640 Mm hmm.

00:56:36.020 This is why he gets away with everyone's going to be happy.

00:56:40.420 I'm going to cut an abortion deal that everybody's going to be happy with something that's never been done in the history of the country.

00:56:45.760 But everyone, everyone's going to be happy.

00:56:47.880 Also, Ukrainian war is going to be over in 24 hours.

00:56:51.780 Iran's not going to get a nuke.

00:56:54.000 Obamacare is going away and everyone's going to be thrilled with it with whatever I replaced it with.

00:56:58.280 You just kind of like, great.

00:57:00.500 Of course, terrific.

00:57:02.720 Everybody is going to love it.

00:57:03.980 It was made me laugh because that's a classic example of making you think past the sale.

00:57:09.120 The sale is, can you negotiate something that, you know, would at least be a result?

00:57:14.560 And he makes you think past that to the fact that you're going to love him for it.

00:57:18.180 And then you're arguing about whether you're really going to love him for it.

00:57:20.980 And he's already made you accept that there's going to be a negotiation that, that could be productive.

00:57:26.100 So, yeah, everything he does works on that level of making you think into the future, to the future he wants to get you to.

00:57:32.600 And do you think he came by this naturally?

00:57:36.500 Like, you took a class.

00:57:38.280 I can see how you learned this stuff.

00:57:39.940 But how do you think Donald Trump came by these skills?

00:57:43.420 Well, I asked him that question in person.

00:57:46.200 And I was really curious, too.

00:57:48.120 I'm going to forget the name, but the power of positive thinking, who wrote that, was famous author, was his, I'll think of it in a minute, was his pastor in his church.

00:58:02.440 So, the most famous positive thinking person, who some people call the hypnotist, the author of the book, was one of his biggest influences.

00:58:12.600 And he did mention how much of an influence that was.

00:58:15.520 So, I think it was modeled, possibly by his father.

00:58:18.880 Norman Vincent Peale.

00:58:20.000 Norman Vincent Peale, thank you.

00:58:21.360 So, Norman Vincent Peale, when I was a kid, I was influenced as well by his, you know, his books, et cetera.

00:58:28.740 And I had grown up with the idea that if you kept your mind positive, you could make almost anything happen.

00:58:36.300 And I think he had that influence as well.

00:58:38.460 And he came by it naturally in a church setting.

00:58:41.220 This is, like, you really are kind of like a Trump whisperer.

00:58:45.920 I don't know if you like that term.

00:58:47.380 I've heard other people use it about you.

00:58:48.800 You are.

00:58:49.980 Because even sitting here now, so he and I had our interview recently, and it went very well.

00:58:55.000 There were some tense moments, you know, so when I kind of got after him a little bit on some of the documents, charges, and so on.

00:59:00.180 But for the most part, it was very friendly.

00:59:02.760 And he said a lot of really interesting things.

00:59:06.300 But he then, like, a week later, he was like, those are some nasty questions, right?

00:59:11.340 That's how Trump perceives anything that is not positive.

00:59:16.000 That's, he thinks it's, there was no nasty question, but it's how, it's just not how he communicates.

00:59:22.600 He would prefer, like, so everything's going to work out with the criminal prosecutions, right?

00:59:27.620 Like, those aren't going anywhere, are they, Mr. President?

00:59:33.100 Well, so he does a trick that I saw one of my coworkers back in the phone company do.

00:59:39.440 To great success.

00:59:42.000 She was a really strong personality woman who got things done.

00:59:46.700 And if you were in her way, she would go to your boss and tell him that you should be fired.

00:59:51.400 I mean, she would really go hard at somebody who wasn't giving him, you know, a coworker who wasn't doing what she wanted.

00:59:56.460 But if you did what she wanted, she would, she would buy you flowers.

01:00:01.920 She would go to your boss and say, you know, you've got a superstar here.

01:00:05.440 Did you know how good your employee is?

01:00:07.660 You should really think about this person next time you're doing a promotion.

01:00:10.500 So what she did was she created the widest gap between making her happy and making her unhappy.

01:00:17.400 That's what Trump does, right?

01:00:19.300 If you make him happy, he will go on television and say you're the greatest thing that ever happened.

01:00:24.340 You've seen him do that a number of times.

01:00:25.980 But if you're not, oh, you're a nasty, nasty woman.

01:00:28.920 You know, and you're the worst person in the world.

01:00:31.000 So biggest range between making him happy and making him unhappy.

01:00:34.620 It's just good technique.

01:00:35.540 Yes, yes.

01:00:37.620 And yeah, I'm familiar with the making him unhappy lane.

01:00:41.520 But, you know, in my job, it's kind of part of the deal.

01:00:46.000 So it's like, but I see, I see how he, you know, uses this power.

01:00:50.780 And I don't know if it's conscious at any, at this point, or if it's just instinctual.

01:00:54.500 But you've written about that famous question and exchange that he and I had at that August 6th, 2015, very first GOP presidential debate.

01:01:03.720 It was eight years ago now.

01:01:05.460 Seems like, I don't know, another lifetime, but like record setting in terms of the numbers.

01:01:11.400 No one had ever seen 24 million people tune in for a primary debate before the whole nation was watching.

01:01:17.860 It was the first.

01:01:18.620 It was exciting.

01:01:19.280 And he and I sparred over, you know, what was definitely a tough question about things he'd said about women.

01:01:28.240 And he interrupted it with only Rosie O'Donnell.

01:01:31.600 And the crowd laughed.

01:01:34.020 You've called women.

01:01:35.440 You don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals.

01:01:41.180 Your Twitter account.

01:01:43.000 Only Rosie O'Donnell.

01:01:44.080 And you, you analyze that in a way that made so much sense.

01:01:51.200 Can you do that here?

01:01:52.740 First of all, I'm just realizing how much you changed my life with that question.

01:01:57.420 Because the entire, the entire direction of my life changed in that moment.

01:02:02.160 When, when he said the Rosie O'Donnell line, I actually stood up and walked toward the TV.

01:02:08.240 And I said, I don't know what's happening here, but this is big.

01:02:13.140 And then, then that, that was the thing that pulled it all together to, for me, that he wasn't just a big joker personality, that he had some special skill.

01:02:22.380 Because I don't think anybody could have gotten out of that trap like that.

01:02:26.800 That was, yeah, but you had, you had the goods on him.

01:02:29.380 There's nothing you could say that wouldn't make him talk about the thing he doesn't want to talk about.

01:02:34.700 Because just talking about it, like you said, it would bring energy to the thing he doesn't want to have energy to.

01:02:39.840 And that was also when I realized he was what I call an energy monster.

01:02:44.020 If you, if you throw him energy, he's not going to die from the energy.

01:02:48.200 He's going to reuse it and send it back to you even stronger.

01:02:51.220 So the news learned this the hard way in 2016.

01:02:55.040 They kept trying to give him more and more negative attention until you forgot anybody else was in the race.

01:03:00.300 And he's, he's the ultimate energy monster.

01:03:03.980 Yes.

01:03:04.580 So, and you, so saying Rosie O'Donnell was like, he made people laugh and he, and he made, you wrote about how now they're thinking about, oh, Rosie O'Donnell.

01:03:14.820 No one likes her.

01:03:15.820 No, no one on the right likes Rosie O'Donnell.

01:03:17.960 She's terrible.

01:03:18.500 Well, yeah, team Trump, as opposed to, who'd he say that about?

01:03:22.400 Could it have been my mom?

01:03:23.480 Could it have been my sister?

01:03:24.720 Like, I don't want somebody who talks that way about my daughter, right?

01:03:27.840 Like, it was a completely rejiggering of the whole situation.

01:03:32.540 But, but watch how deep the technique goes.

01:03:35.260 When you said blah, blah, blah, women made accusations.

01:03:38.080 What I saw in my head was nothing.

01:03:40.760 Women.

01:03:41.680 I don't have a picture.

01:03:42.920 It's just a concept.

01:03:43.760 But as soon as he said Rosie O'Donnell, who in fact really didn't have much to do with like the larger point, it was just one person.

01:03:51.860 Her, her image went in my head.

01:03:54.220 I had a reaction to her.

01:03:56.180 And I thought, well, that's perfectly fair.

01:03:57.940 If Rosie and Trump are insulting each other, that feels like a fair fight.

01:04:01.920 It just completely put an image.

01:04:04.540 And, of course, something like 80% of your brain is visual.

01:04:08.280 So, as soon as he puts a visual on something, you're done.

01:04:11.200 He's got the visual on you.

01:04:12.500 It worked with low energy jab.

01:04:14.980 That's a visual.

01:04:16.160 Because the next time you saw him, you're like, you know, I hadn't noticed this before.

01:04:20.320 But now that you point out the low energy, I thought he was this capable executive, kind of calm and cool.

01:04:26.100 But it turns out he's actually low energy.

01:04:28.660 So, the picture he had.

01:04:31.080 And then the ultimate is the wall.

01:04:32.940 He's not just going to build a wall.

01:04:35.420 You know, he doesn't say, I would like to improve the border security.

01:04:39.120 Wrong.

01:04:39.980 I'm going to build a big, beautiful wall.

01:04:42.800 Yeah, big, beautiful wall.

01:04:43.960 And Mexico is going to pay for it.

01:04:47.460 Right.

01:04:48.360 But the Mexico is going to pay for it was the ultimate persuasion thing.

01:04:53.220 Because that also makes you think past the sale.

01:04:55.260 Now, if you're wondering who pays for it, you've already, in your mind, you built the wall in your head.

01:05:00.820 So, perfect technique on the wall.

01:05:03.280 Maybe the most classic example of perfect persuasion.

01:05:07.640 You didn't get the wall done because there was a lot of resistance.

01:05:10.300 But in terms of how you persuaded on it, you couldn't do better.

01:05:13.540 That was perfect.

01:05:14.140 Well, and speaking of perfect, it was a perfect phone call.

01:05:17.540 Perfect phone call.

01:05:18.320 And then that was the Ukrainian thing on which he got impeached the first time.

01:05:22.220 And then when he got in trouble for the call to the Atlanta officials, the Georgia officials, trying to find me the 11,000 votes, which, again, you have to go back and listen to the whole context.

01:05:30.740 He's basically saying, I think I've been defrauded out of hundreds of thousands.

01:05:33.640 All you actually need to count to is 11,000.

01:05:36.360 But whatever.

01:05:37.140 They're going to have a whole criminal trial over that now.

01:05:39.140 But he said about that, that was even more perfect than my other phone call.

01:05:44.260 Extra perfect.

01:05:45.400 Even more perfect.

01:05:46.920 So he calls it a perfect phone call so often that as soon as the topic goes up, if people have been listening to him, in your head pops this phrase, perfect phone call.

01:05:58.860 It does.

01:05:59.360 That, now that is what hypnotists do.

01:06:01.960 They put words into your head so that you're using their preferred word because words are how you program people.

01:06:08.400 It's the word.

01:06:09.540 Sometimes it's just the word itself, not even the greater meaning of the sentence.

01:06:14.060 So an example of that in a reframe I used in the book is I once said that alcohol is poison.

01:06:21.940 And I said it a few times in public.

01:06:23.920 And people got back to me later and said, I quit alcohol after you said that.

01:06:27.840 I was like, what?

01:06:28.400 I wasn't even trying to make you quit alcohol.

01:06:30.900 But apparently just the fact that the word poison and alcohol kept pairing in their minds because they kept thinking about me saying it, that the pairing alone made it easy to put the glass down.

01:06:43.000 Now, not for alcoholics, that's different.

01:06:44.940 But people who just drank too much.

01:06:46.300 So Trump is using the same trick.

01:06:49.380 It's just when you hear perfect, perfect call, the irrational part of you wants to blend perfect call with whatever you're talking about.

01:06:58.500 So it's just an irrational blending of things that happens automatically in your head.

01:07:02.940 But that's how reframes work.

01:07:04.560 It's how hypnosis works.

01:07:05.760 It's how persuasion works in general.

01:07:07.620 It's like my friend Sarah was saying.

01:07:09.740 She thinks everybody on Earth definitely would have gotten that COVID vaccine if they had just said, it makes you lose weight.

01:07:15.320 It makes you lose weight.

01:07:16.660 Yes.

01:07:16.940 I got triple boosted.

01:07:19.440 We get my annual.

01:07:21.220 No, better, better.

01:07:23.160 All you have to do is say, you know, I've seen people who got the shot and they looked, I don't know, they look sexy.

01:07:28.600 I don't know what it is.

01:07:30.220 I can't.

01:07:30.760 You know, if you ask me specifically, I don't know.

01:07:32.640 There's just a there's just a life to them.

01:07:34.860 I can't explain it.

01:07:35.740 Vibrance.

01:07:36.060 No.

01:07:36.520 Yeah.

01:07:37.000 No.

01:07:37.220 You actually caught you touch on attractiveness and reframing it in the book.

01:07:42.740 And I love this because there are a lot of people who feel like, my God, I'm you know, I don't I'm not so great with the ladies or with the men.

01:07:50.520 And I'm not doing so great on the online dating sites.

01:07:53.360 And maybe it's me.

01:07:54.460 Maybe I'm just not not attractive enough to, you know, get a mate.

01:07:58.520 And you've got a great reframe on this.

01:08:01.540 Well, I think you're talking about the one where 90 percent of the world isn't going to like anything.

01:08:06.480 So you could take the most famous, successful musical act and then go to China and say, what do you think of this?

01:08:14.620 Probably not so much.

01:08:16.020 So 90 percent of the world isn't going to like even the best quality of anything.

01:08:20.060 You know, you could take the finest wine and just randomly ask people in the street to taste it.

01:08:25.980 It wouldn't be much to them unless you're a wine expert.

01:08:29.480 So instead of trying to please everybody and say, oh, 90 percent of the world doesn't love me, just look for the people to do.

01:08:35.680 So there's always some weirdo that's just like you.

01:08:38.900 You know, there's there's somebody who's got compatible weirdness and feels more comfortable with your flaws than they would with somebody who didn't have them.

01:08:46.460 So don't worry about the number of people that don't like you.

01:08:49.840 Take me for an example.

01:08:51.760 You know, I do a cartoon strip still.

01:08:54.220 It's behind a paywall at the moment.

01:08:55.660 But I don't worry about the 95 percent of the world who doesn't like my comic and never did.

01:09:01.280 I care about the five percent who cut it out, buy a book, ask for a calendar, put it on the wall.

01:09:07.320 That's enough to make my life complete.

01:09:11.000 And so your advice is meet more people.

01:09:13.860 Get out more, because if you're looking at percentages, just have to increase, I guess, the denominator.

01:09:18.300 Right. You have to increase the number of people you come into contact with because you're hunting for that 10 percent.

01:09:24.420 And, you know, if you only talk to three people, your odds are not so good.

01:09:27.840 So meet more people.

01:09:30.280 It makes perfect sense.

01:09:31.300 Now, wait, before we leave Trump, I have to ask you about my executive producer.

01:09:35.220 Steve Krakauer is a big fan of yours, and he forwarded me a great piece.

01:09:38.360 And this is, let's see, from December 22nd, 2015.

01:09:44.140 So this is, you know, as I said, that just for a time frame, that debate we just talked about was August of 15.

01:09:49.480 It was a few months later.

01:09:51.240 Scott Adams blog, a deeply unscientific test of your political bias.

01:09:56.060 And then in parentheses, Trump persuasion series.

01:09:59.340 And you you make reference to the moist robot hypothesis.

01:10:04.300 And you have a picture on this thing of do we have it made, Steve?

01:10:10.380 We can put it up on the board.

01:10:11.520 But it's yeah, there we go.

01:10:12.780 It's of a bunch of tools in a circle, like almost like around in a clock.

01:10:18.880 And you ask the reader to look at these tools and to assign the tool that maps to the then presidential candidates.

01:10:30.180 Rubio Cruz, Trump, Carson, Clinton, Fiorina, Christie and Paul.

01:10:35.700 And you ask the reader before you start, remember to observe your own mental processes as they happen to see if the thinking happens before or after you decide which tool is which candidate.

01:10:47.600 And, you know, I think we most of us probably had the same reaction.

01:10:50.900 You're thinking of Trump first.

01:10:52.960 And it's pretty obvious which one which one we all think is Trump, given this field.

01:10:58.620 So why is that?

01:11:00.180 Well, Trump, like I said, he's an energy monster and he projects power and mostly power and energy.

01:11:10.540 And so when you're looking at a bunch of tools, you know, the one that projects the most power and destruction and also creation is the one that just automatically your brain is going to map to that.

01:11:21.240 And but if you were to use your rational mind, you'd say, well, let me think, let's see, this tool has many qualities.

01:11:29.140 It's precise.

01:11:30.240 It's expensive.

01:11:30.980 And you would go through all these variables and you talk yourself out of being able to match them with anybody.

01:11:36.020 You're like, I don't know.

01:11:36.740 This is expensive, but it's also precise.

01:11:39.100 So but if you just say, how do you feel about it?

01:11:42.020 Oh, this one does a lot of damage.

01:11:44.160 This tool.

01:11:44.800 It's got you know, you plug this one in.

01:11:46.560 That feels like Trump.

01:11:48.960 So it's just a way that it's mostly all different skinny screwdrivers.

01:11:53.560 And then there's one big drill like so.

01:11:56.100 It's I confess I didn't realize it was a drill.

01:11:58.420 I just thought it was a large screwdriver.

01:11:59.540 But when I read further, I realized it was a drill not big in the tool department.

01:12:03.060 But yeah, you're exactly right.

01:12:04.500 And so you say that that Trump is operating on the reflex part of your brain and intentionally the other candidates are appealing to your reason.

01:12:14.520 He isn't winning the game so much as playing an entirely different one.

01:12:19.460 That's from December 15, eight years ago.

01:12:25.140 And here we are again, Scott.

01:12:28.620 With the I spent with the Republican debates.

01:12:31.280 I spent years of people mocking me, saying there's no way Trump is persuasive.

01:12:37.800 Are you kidding me?

01:12:38.620 He's just this weird clown that people like for some reason because he's entertainment.

01:12:42.380 Now, now we come to this cycle and the left is like, oh, my God, he's so persuasive.

01:12:48.020 He's going to win despite all of these things we have on him.

01:12:51.060 And so finally, you know, I got my due.

01:12:54.800 They at least agree.

01:12:56.240 They don't think they don't like how he's persuading, but they certainly agree.

01:12:59.900 He can move the needle and he's got the strongest base I've ever seen.

01:13:05.540 So if I read the power of positive thinking, if I take a class on hypnosis and if I potentially take the Dale Carnegie class, am I going to be as persuasive as Trump and as effective at persuasion and language as you are?

01:13:19.340 Well, you know, you're using yourself as an example and you're you're a perfect talent stack example.

01:13:26.260 That's another reframe instead of being really, really good at one thing.

01:13:29.340 It pays to be top 20 percent, top 10 percent as several things that work well together.

01:13:36.260 So you learn persuasion in your legal field.

01:13:39.900 You learn persuasion, you know, doing doing what you do, talking to people and interviewing.

01:13:44.980 So you're you're about 80 percent there already.

01:13:47.220 And I imagine you're pretty good in a social situation.

01:13:50.500 So you'd get maybe a 20 percent boost because you're already operating at a high, high layer.

01:13:57.020 But somebody who is just, you know, 20 years old and doesn't know how to do anything and hasn't assembled any skills.

01:14:03.680 Best place to start Dale Carnegie course.

01:14:06.160 By the way, Warren Buffett would tell you this.

01:14:08.780 Warren Buffett says the same thing.

01:14:10.980 And also the book Reframe.

01:14:12.720 So here's a question I have for you.

01:14:15.300 And I I'm just going there because you're so helpful.

01:14:19.660 My little guy, he's 10.

01:14:22.940 He's constantly saying, like, it didn't work out.

01:14:26.400 I didn't get it.

01:14:27.300 You know, I was telling the audience over the summer they sailed and they were supposed to get candy.

01:14:30.680 And he's like, there was no candy.

01:14:32.480 They promised candy.

01:14:33.300 We didn't get it.

01:14:33.980 And his little buddy came over and he's like, yeah, but they promised we're going to get candy tomorrow.

01:14:37.860 We're getting the candy tomorrow.

01:14:39.860 And later we talked with Thatcher, like, you know, that's this is a this is another way of looking at it, honey.

01:14:46.540 You know, they're probably going to bring you double candy tomorrow.

01:14:49.000 So how do you reframe with a little one?

01:14:52.260 Right.

01:14:52.420 Is it is it all the same method?

01:14:55.420 No, kids are, you know, even less logical and more easy to influence with persuasion.

01:15:02.100 And I'll tell you the one that's that reminds me of that that I used to use with my stepson when he was young.

01:15:06.840 And he he'd get a cut or a bruise or something.

01:15:09.320 He'd be wailing.

01:15:10.400 And, you know, you're going for the band days and he just won't stop wailing.

01:15:13.900 I found out that I would say to him with confidence, which was unearned.

01:15:17.860 I'd say, let me see that.

01:15:19.320 And I say, yeah, that looks like that's about a four minute situation.

01:15:23.160 And he'd say, what?

01:15:24.040 I go, yeah, that's going to hurt about four minutes.

01:15:27.060 We'll get the bandaid on.

01:15:28.240 I'll set the timer.

01:15:29.020 And as soon as she told me it was four minutes, complete change in attitude still hurt.

01:15:34.980 But now there was an end of it.

01:15:36.820 We'd done everything we needed to do.

01:15:38.900 He was hurt.

01:15:40.460 Problem solved.

01:15:41.940 So four minutes later, four minutes later, he would forget that there was a timer even set.

01:15:47.580 So that worked quite well.

01:15:49.540 Yeah.

01:15:49.820 And then anything's doable as long as it's time limited.

01:15:51.800 And the other thing with kids is distraction works really well.

01:15:56.260 I remember with my first wife, a couple of young kids in the back.

01:16:00.320 They were bickering, bickering, bickering.

01:16:02.340 And my ex-wife goes, look, a deer.

01:16:06.000 And everything stops.

01:16:07.420 And we're all looking for the deer.

01:16:09.380 There was no deer.

01:16:11.120 But once she taught me the trick, I used it probably 50 times.

01:16:15.980 And every time, there was never a deer.

01:16:19.380 There was not once there was a deer.

01:16:22.340 But little kids will stop whatever they're doing if you say there's a deer.

01:16:26.960 Try it.

01:16:27.360 Try it at home.

01:16:28.780 Just look out and say, look, a deer.

01:16:30.400 You could do it in the city.

01:16:31.940 You could do it in the middle of New York, in the middle of Manhattan.

01:16:34.900 A deer.

01:16:35.680 Everything will stop in the next season.

01:16:37.800 I'll try anything.

01:16:39.600 You also say, like, there's nothing too dark that can't be reframed, including you write

01:16:44.640 that you had a terrible childhood, that it was traumatic, and that your reframe on it

01:16:50.840 is that, I mean, the first, I guess, is just my trauma sucks and ruined my life.

01:16:55.940 And the reframe is my trauma is my superpower.

01:17:00.040 I love this one.

01:17:01.640 Yeah.

01:17:02.200 My trauma is why I couldn't kick your ass.

01:17:04.340 If you put me in a bad situation, like a really bad situation, I've got to work really

01:17:10.420 hard to get out of some problem or something, I'm going to say, I've been here before.

01:17:15.100 This is just familiar.

01:17:16.560 I know how to get out of this.

01:17:17.920 I've been much worse.

01:17:19.320 So my frame of reference is so different from somebody who had a good childhood.

01:17:23.480 They hit a rough patch, and they're like, I don't know, this is going to be the end

01:17:25.980 of me.

01:17:26.580 I hit a rough patch, and I'm like, ah, bumping the road.

01:17:29.540 So if you, with your good childhood, are crazy enough to go up against me in a competition,

01:17:35.880 I'm going to smoke you every time, because I can go darker, deeper, farther.

01:17:40.780 I can suffer more.

01:17:42.020 I can hurt more.

01:17:42.900 And I'm going to get to the other side of it.

01:17:44.860 But a little bit of trauma might be useful for people.

01:17:47.980 So make sure that you don't-

01:17:49.180 It's like being an emotional Marine.

01:17:50.420 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:52.880 You know, there's certainly bad that comes with the trauma, but if you see it only as

01:17:57.100 bad, you're missing the best part.

01:17:58.760 It just turns you into a creature that is hard to stop.

01:18:02.780 So is this synonymous with positive thinking, or is this, it seems a little bit more layered

01:18:08.400 than that?

01:18:10.360 It's, yeah, way more complicated than positive thinking.

01:18:13.280 But positive thinking is absolutely the, you know, maybe the number one thing you should

01:18:19.120 do right is try to get your mind in the right mindset, think that you have some place to

01:18:24.120 go, which is important.

01:18:25.680 You should have some place you're aiming at, and that you're making progress every day,

01:18:29.820 which is what I call it, a system.

01:18:32.100 So if you have a system that you're doing every day to get closer to your goals, that will

01:18:37.240 make you satisfied, almost guaranteed.

01:18:41.480 Learning a lot.

01:18:42.280 Loving this conversation.

01:18:43.700 All right, let's take a quick break.

01:18:44.860 We'll come back and we'll talk about Scott's self-cancellation a couple of months ago and

01:18:50.620 why he did it and what's happening now.

01:18:53.160 All right, more with Scott Adams right after this quick break.

01:18:59.620 So Scott Dilbert, you decided you were working at Pacific Bell and you were kind of pushing

01:19:04.240 paper and doing a bunch of different stuff.

01:19:06.520 You had a financial background, you had an MBA, but you really had this creative talent.

01:19:11.820 And so you start sketching and Dilbert was born.

01:19:15.440 And I'm sure you, I don't know if you knew back then about the power of positive thinking,

01:19:19.100 but you, one of the reframes is change your thinking from, I would like to do this.

01:19:24.620 I have a goal of doing this to, I will do this.

01:19:27.820 Like this is happening more definitive.

01:19:30.820 And you had that thinking around Dilbert and when, like how long before you first started

01:19:35.420 sketching it and thinking about it to when it was one of the most successful comic strips

01:19:40.400 in the world.

01:19:41.240 It was in 200 plus newspapers.

01:19:43.200 What was that timeframe?

01:19:44.200 Well, in 1989, it launched, uh, and Dilbert had a job, but it was not a workplace comic.

01:19:52.060 It was sort of generic stuff at home and he would hang out with his dog, dog Bert and stuff,

01:19:57.160 but sometimes he would be in the office.

01:19:59.600 So as time went by, uh, more and more, he would be in the office and people would write

01:20:04.400 to me on email, which was brand new then.

01:20:07.120 And they would say, I don't have anybody else to write to on email because I just got email

01:20:11.180 and you're the only person I know, but I thought I'd give you this advice.

01:20:13.940 That's actually what most of the email was.

01:20:16.180 It was, it was email was so new that they saw my address between the panels of the strip

01:20:21.220 and they thought, well, I finally found somebody I can email.

01:20:23.680 So they would email me and they would say, we love it when Dilbert's in the office, but

01:20:28.860 we, you know, we kind of like it when he's home, but we love it when he's in the office.

01:20:32.620 So I thought, huh, I'll put him in the office more.

01:20:35.060 So I started putting him in the office and things started to take off.

01:20:38.860 But, uh, what really mattered was when I wrote the book called the Dilbert principle.

01:20:43.500 And that really was one of the big things that launched it.

01:20:47.460 But the reason I wrote that, and this is another, uh, good reframe.

01:20:51.440 If you're trying to figure out what things you're doing that might take off, you know,

01:20:55.200 what, what is a good idea, but you don't know yet.

01:20:58.260 You want to know, you know, early if it's going to work out.

01:21:02.220 People would email me and they'd say, we took your comics and I cut them out and I organized

01:21:07.680 them by topic.

01:21:08.800 Like these about marketing and these about sales and these about engineering.

01:21:12.500 And I created a binder.

01:21:14.180 So I created my own book and I thought, well, that's a, that's a pretty weird thing to do.

01:21:19.720 And then somebody else would write me and tell me that they had also created a book of my

01:21:24.260 comics or organized by.

01:21:26.240 So I thought, well, you know, I did go to business school and, uh, this is, this is like a little

01:21:31.140 flag telling me something.

01:21:32.580 Maybe I should write a book.

01:21:34.200 So I wrote a book and it was a number one bestseller.

01:21:36.940 So the way that you can tell that something's going to work is if they take your product in

01:21:41.700 its terrible form and the early versions of the comic were not very good and they extend

01:21:46.880 it.

01:21:47.060 So in this case, they extended it to make their own book.

01:21:50.360 That is a guarantee that you've got something that'll work with.

01:21:54.680 With my current book, reframe your brain.

01:21:57.080 People are buying 10 copies, five copies.

01:22:00.440 People have asked if they can already turn it into a different form.

01:22:04.320 People have asked if they can use AI to create a different version of it.

01:22:08.840 You know that, so that's almost a guarantee of success that people want to extend it in some

01:22:14.620 way.

01:22:15.780 So you were, I mean, nailing it.

01:22:18.200 And I would say there was some controversy around you because you were so dead on about

01:22:23.760 Trump that some people were like, oh, he likes Trump.

01:22:27.480 He's he's rooting for Trump.

01:22:28.860 And that, of course, will make you a hot potato.

01:22:30.340 But you were doing your thing.

01:22:32.320 You weren't, I don't think, being canceled.

01:22:34.900 I don't know the whole story.

01:22:36.180 But then earlier this year, you stumbled upon this Rasmussen poll, which was shocking.

01:22:43.500 I wouldn't have known about it had you not done your thing.

01:22:45.720 But it was a national survey of a thousand adults conducted February 2023.

01:22:52.020 Do you agree or disagree with this statement?

01:22:53.760 It is OK to be white.

01:22:55.500 And it wound up that 53 percent of the 117 black participants said, yes, I agree.

01:23:00.960 It is OK to be white.

01:23:02.220 But some 47 percent either disagreed or said they were unsure.

01:23:07.800 26 percent disagreed.

01:23:09.020 It was OK to be white.

01:23:09.940 21 percent said they were not sure.

01:23:11.400 And that led you to do a bit on your YouTube show that completely shook up the Internet

01:23:18.300 and the national news cycle for a few days.

01:23:20.340 Here's a little bit of what you said in South 15.

01:23:23.980 Normally you see a poll, you just look at it, you go, whatever.

01:23:27.820 But as of today, I'm going to re-identify as white because I don't want to be a member

01:23:33.100 of a hate group.

01:23:34.080 If nearly half of all blacks are not OK with white people, according to this poll,

01:23:40.080 not according to me, according to this poll, that's a hate group.

01:23:45.920 That's a hate group.

01:23:47.420 And I don't want to have anything to do with them.

01:23:49.420 The best advice I would give to white people is to get the hell away from black people.

01:23:54.960 Just get the fuck away.

01:23:56.700 I'm going to back off from being helpful to black America because it doesn't seem like

01:24:01.520 it pays off.

01:24:03.100 Like I've been doing it all my life and I've been the only outcome is I get called a racist.

01:24:08.840 The it's over.

01:24:11.640 Don't don't even think it's worth trying.

01:24:13.720 And it feels good not to be in a racist hate group anymore.

01:24:17.060 So I'm now independent, not a member of any group.

01:24:20.480 I do not align with any group, not the white supremacists and not the black racists.

01:24:25.780 So cue cancellation everywhere as like all the newspapers and the publishing company.

01:24:32.300 And I'm probably your agent, probably everybody.

01:24:35.160 And everybody was confused, I think, for a while.

01:24:38.940 But like, I know I was confused.

01:24:40.420 I didn't understand what was happening there.

01:24:41.680 So what was happening there?

01:24:42.760 So a bunch of context.

01:24:47.080 Number one, only Democrats canceled me.

01:24:50.780 I don't think any any Republicans, once they heard the full context, they're like, oh, OK,

01:24:55.820 well, that was offensive.

01:24:56.620 But, you know, not cancellation worthy.

01:24:58.680 The first thing the first thing you need to know is that the whole itself was not terribly important to the larger point.

01:25:10.280 It was just a jumping off point for the conversation.

01:25:12.860 The larger context is that we're living through the world of critical race theory being taught, ESG being required of our corporations, and corporations having DEI groups.

01:25:25.180 Now, if you're not familiar, if your audience is not familiar with all those terms, what they have in common, OK, what I guess they would be, what all those things have in common is the idea that there's a victimized group and a victimizer group.

01:25:40.420 And since I had been placed in the group of people who are the victimizers, that sort of puts a target on your back.

01:25:47.960 And it causes people to have a negative feeling about you because they've been taught that you have their stuff.

01:25:53.900 In other words, they would be doing better if you were not doing whatever it is that you're doing that's promoting systemic racism, for example.

01:26:01.000 Now, the larger context is that any time you're in a situation where you're around people who think that you have their stuff and they're trying to get it back, but you believe that's not the case, you should get away from that environment.

01:26:16.880 Now, that's, of course, hyperbole because, you know, you live in America, you're not going to go move or do something like that.

01:26:23.860 So there's no way to practically do that.

01:26:25.460 I was trying to make the point that we've poisoned relations by making a framework in which one group is the victimizers, one group is the victims.

01:26:36.260 If you ever find yourself in that situation, whether it's about race or anything else, you should try to get as far away from it as possible.

01:26:44.360 I'll give you a concrete example.

01:26:45.720 Bloomberg recently did an article, and I guess it was a survey, in which they found that for a year after the George Floyd situation, that the Fortune 100 companies only hired, only 6% of the people they hired were white.

01:27:05.420 94% were people of color because they were desperately trying to get their diversity numbers up.

01:27:11.260 That's just really affirmed, I think, in a Bloomberg piece.

01:27:13.840 We just saw similar numbers in a Bloomberg piece.

01:27:16.120 Yeah.

01:27:17.000 Yeah.

01:27:18.220 Now, if you were a white applicant and you knew that that was the environment, you knew that the company was desperately trying to get their diversity up, your best bet, strategy-wise, would be to go to a non-Fortune 100 company.

01:27:32.560 If you are black, your best strategy would be go directly there because they're very much recruiting and looking for you.

01:27:39.780 So, everybody has a different strategy, but we finally reached a point in American life where everybody can find a way.

01:27:49.580 So, here's the reframe that I was heading toward, and I never got a chance to do it in real time because I got canceled first.

01:27:56.680 My regular audience knows that I often provoke them, but if they wait, I bring them back into a compatible point of view.

01:28:05.620 So, here's what I was planning to do.

01:28:07.240 I was reframing this, that instead of looking at the average black person's performance and the average white person's performance or the average anybody, that we're in imaginary land.

01:28:19.880 There's no average black person and there's no average white person.

01:28:24.900 So, the longer we pretend that we should compare them, we're in the wrong conversation.

01:28:29.440 When we got to intersectionality, where we said, okay, it's not just about your color, it might also be your color, plus you might be LGBTQ, plus you might be disabled or whatever word we're using now.

01:28:43.540 So, you could have several things going on.

01:28:46.460 Now, that being things worse, but it was definitely the right intention and impulse because it drove you away from these weird average people that don't even exist towards something that was more like, well, there is this one person who has this one unique situation.

01:29:02.780 But I think we need to go further than that, keep going in that direction to the individual.

01:29:08.540 So, the frame that makes sense, that can save us, is that individuals are infinitely diverse.

01:29:15.760 I'm not like even my own siblings, you know, much less the people who share some kind of color with me.

01:29:21.660 I don't have much in common with just a random person.

01:29:25.500 We're all infinitely different.

01:29:27.780 So, if you say, what can I do about these two average people who don't actually exist, I'm out.

01:29:33.620 I no longer care about the difference in the averages.

01:29:36.720 However, if you're my neighbor or friend or family member and you happen to be black or white or anything else and you've got a specific thing you need, let's say you need some advice, you need some mentoring, you need a connection, you need a job, you need a suit.

01:29:50.440 Maybe you need just some advice.

01:29:53.440 I'm all there.

01:29:54.860 So, help for individuals, completely on board.

01:29:59.120 I don't care who you are.

01:30:00.200 I love black people, by the way.

01:30:01.800 And nothing I said had anything to do with genetics, had nothing to do with even culture.

01:30:08.160 It had everything to do with the fact that America, white people mostly, are selling a story and actually institutionalize it through ESG and CRT and DEI.

01:30:20.440 It's becoming part of our operating system that one group of us are the bad guys and another group of us is the victims.

01:30:28.140 And that is an untenable situation.

01:30:30.740 You've got to get out of this average versus average and into what can I do for you?

01:30:36.380 Specific black person, how can I help you?

01:30:38.700 I'm all on board with that.

01:30:40.000 I like helping people.

01:30:41.600 And I've, in fact, mentored quite a few black people, but that doesn't become part of the story, obviously.

01:30:47.840 So, how did that affect you, understanding that you are so good at the reframing?

01:30:54.280 Because I had to be traumatic in the moment when it just blew up.

01:30:59.280 How did that affect you?

01:31:00.320 How did it affect your personal relationships?

01:31:01.840 And how were you able, I assume, eventually you could reframe it?

01:31:06.040 You know, the weirdest thing about this is that it did not cause trauma for me.

01:31:10.760 It didn't make me angry at any point.

01:31:13.780 It didn't make me sad.

01:31:15.880 It was sort of lucky because I was 65 and looking for a way to retire, which I define retirement.

01:31:21.680 In the modern era, I define retirement as still working every day, but you're doing stuff you want.

01:31:29.220 And that's the only difference.

01:31:30.320 Nobody's telling you what to do.

01:31:31.960 So, I ended up moving Dilbert behind a paywall on the Locals platform, scottadams.locals.com.

01:31:39.460 And it's also on the subscription service within the X platform, so you could get it there as well.

01:31:44.840 So, I got to do what I want.

01:31:46.360 And now I can make the comic as edgy as I want.

01:31:51.380 Most people have said it's the best it's ever been because I can go places I couldn't go when I was merely a newspaper cartoonist.

01:31:58.920 And it did the most important thing that I wanted, which is I'm also an energy monster.

01:32:06.200 And I don't think they counted on that.

01:32:08.660 And so, what did that buy me?

01:32:10.920 This.

01:32:11.400 I'm having a conversation on a major platform with you to give you my reframe that we need to forget about these imaginary average people because we're now close enough that everybody has a different strategy that they can succeed.

01:32:27.520 And we should work on the personal strategy.

01:32:29.420 In fact, I have a student guide that I'm working on with Joshua Lysick.

01:32:36.880 And we're going to put it out for schools so that they can actually teach the basics of success, which I believe is the biggest problem in the black community because they have what I call an imitation glass ceiling.

01:32:49.980 The number one way anybody succeeds, and I've told you I've done this, you know, I've actually mentioned this several times just here, that I copy people.

01:33:01.000 So, I look for successful people and I say, what did you do?

01:33:04.080 All right, I'm going to try that.

01:33:05.120 What did you do?

01:33:06.080 I'm going to try that.

01:33:07.440 But imagine, if you will, you're a young black kid and the world has taught you that the oppressors are the ones who are doing well.

01:33:17.080 What are you going to copy?

01:33:17.940 Are you going to copy your oppressor?

01:33:20.320 I wouldn't.

01:33:21.200 If you put me in that situation, I would act like a normal person.

01:33:24.780 I'd say, well, I'm not going to copy the people who are victimizing me for hundreds of years.

01:33:29.240 So, who else do I have?

01:33:31.080 And then that's a problem.

01:33:32.780 So, it's a student guide, which any student could read to figure out the basics of, you know, what are the reframes?

01:33:40.500 What are the tips that can make anybody successful?

01:33:43.780 So, rather than being useless on what I consider the most important topic in the world, I thought I would make as much trouble as I can.

01:33:52.120 I did not expect to get fully canceled.

01:33:53.860 I made way more trouble than I did not expect that.

01:33:57.640 But I did expect trouble, and I thought the trouble would form energy.

01:34:02.320 I thought the energy would come at me in the form of an attack, and then I would have attention.

01:34:08.040 Attention is the first part of persuasion.

01:34:09.920 So, until you can get attention, I had no way to be part of this conversation, really, until I forced my way in.

01:34:18.540 So, I forced my way in, and now we can talk about the current situation.

01:34:23.280 I can give you an alternative, and you can say, do I like that or do I not?

01:34:28.260 But I can tell you, I've never met an individual who wanted generic help more than they wanted specific help that was designed for them.

01:34:37.580 So, that's what I'm all about right now is how can I design something?

01:34:41.160 It's so interesting to me, because I didn't know you, and I hadn't been listening to you.

01:34:45.120 But now, spending the past two hours with you, I get it.

01:34:48.180 I totally get it.

01:34:49.360 I see exactly what you were doing.

01:34:51.220 And I remember at the time, some of your biggest fans saying, this is what he's trying to do.

01:34:54.400 You have to understand, Scott, I feel like I do understand you a bit better now.

01:34:58.680 I love talking to you.

01:35:00.020 And in the break, I said to Danny, my booker, I want him on more.

01:35:04.000 He needs to come in.

01:35:04.940 And she's like, he's very hard to get.

01:35:06.760 So, Scott, please don't be so hard to get.

01:35:09.180 Please come back more often.

01:35:10.980 I know you don't surface that much, but whether it's to promote the paperback of Reframe Your Brain or otherwise, I would love to continue the conversation.

01:35:19.580 I would love to come back.

01:35:21.000 Thank you.

01:35:22.260 Awesome.

01:35:22.840 All the best to you.

01:35:23.580 Thanks for being here.

01:35:25.400 All right.

01:35:25.740 Pleasure.

01:35:26.020 On Monday, I want to tell you that our friend Dave Rubin will be back on the show.

01:35:29.780 Looking forward to catching up with him.

01:35:32.000 You know, he's a big DeSantis supporter.

01:35:33.900 So what does he think about the way the race is right now?

01:35:36.900 The numbers and so on.

01:35:38.360 He's very positive about DeSantis' chances still online.

01:35:41.920 And I'm looking forward to finding out exactly why, given the horse race numbers.

01:35:46.380 We'll get into that in much, much more.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 29, 2023

Trump's Power of Persuasion, and Democrats Downplaying Biden Corruption, with Scott Adams and Margot Cleveland ｜ Ep. 638

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