The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump's Reality-Based Iran Approach, Tyra Banks Sues Netflix, and How To Be a Great Dad, with Eiglarsh, Aronberg, Branca, and Berenson ｜ Ep. 1342

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00:01:02.640 live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.500 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Happy Thursday. We've got

00:01:16.760 an incredible Kelly's Court coming up for you. The judge in the Carmelo Anthony case is speaking out.

00:01:21.960 Why didn't we have cameras in the courtroom? He gives an answer. Plus, Alex Berenson is here for

00:01:27.760 a perfectly timed book on fatherhood. But we begin today with a quick update on the latest

00:01:34.800 in Iran. A senior U.S. official reading out the full text of the Memorandum of Understanding

00:01:39.920 yesterday and media outlets printing it in full, what we recited to you on Tuesday right before

00:01:47.320 our interview with J.D. Vance. We had it. Those were the outlines. Those were the bullets.

00:01:51.960 And the neocon hawks are not happy. They're not happy at all. They want this war to go on and on. I mean, really, they want this war to go on and on. Well, it's not going to. Sorry. I mean, Israel is definitely going to do its best to continue this thing and will probably try to queer this deal over and over and over again.

00:02:08.080 but the president has clearly had it. He has seen through Netanyahu and his puffery around

00:02:16.580 the magic that is possible in Iran. It's over. Those lies will no longer be believed.

00:02:24.300 So my money actually is on Trump refusing to go back in there, refusing to resume the bombing.

00:02:30.340 He says he will. I don't think he actually will. And they're not happy about that. They wanted

00:02:34.920 Iran bombed to smithereens. It's got 90 million people in it. It's nearly 10 times the size of

00:02:41.280 Israel. And that really was never a realistic option, even when Trump was saying that complete

00:02:47.380 annihilation was going to happen to Iran. And now it's really not going to happen. Iran's about to

00:02:52.380 be richer than it's ever been. I mean, we're about to release a lot of money to Iran, and they will 0.93

00:02:58.140 emerge from this whole thing in some ways much better off than they were before. They'll possibly 0.68

00:03:04.420 be in control of the Strait of Hormuz. They'll definitely have hundreds of billions of dollars

00:03:08.220 that they didn't have before. And look, this is part of Trump's peace plan in a way. He's trying,

00:03:15.340 he tried the stick. Now he's trying the carrot. That's really what it boils down to. And he feels

00:03:21.000 like he can try the carrot because we obliterated their nuclear facilities last June. So he's not

00:03:25.580 really that worried about the nuclear weapon. I know he had to say that to launch this war.

00:03:30.900 As we've been telling you here, that wasn't a real concern.

00:03:34.120 Tulsi Gabbard, the intelligence community had told him they're nowhere near developing a nuclear weapon.

00:03:40.300 He kind of had to say it as a justification. 0.98

00:03:43.460 My own belief is that what he really wanted to do over there was get rid of the Ayatollah. 1.00

00:03:47.540 He did that. I think he believed, Bibi, that if he did that, there could be regime change. 0.89

00:03:51.540 We might get some better people running Iran.

00:03:53.720 Trump continues to say that happened. Time will tell.

00:03:57.220 um we did degrade some of their missile facilities and their missile capacities unfortunately we

00:04:03.840 really degraded our own in the process but look the important thing is we did the thing last june

00:04:10.060 which was very effective the nuclear dust is a skyscraper buildings height underground and if

00:04:16.340 they try to get it trump has told us repeatedly we have satellite technology that will show us

00:04:20.320 In that case, we would go back in. And we're trying now to bring Iran out of the dark ages and make it, you know, more, I don't want to say twin, but maybe like more of a distant cousin to its other Arab state relatives, where like they're participating in the global economy in a meaningful way that could make them rich, that could help the world, that wouldn't make them such a pariah. 0.97

00:04:47.640 and I get it. Virtually all of their critics say that's not possible with these guys. 0.84

00:04:52.860 They're Islamic radicals. They can't be reasoned with. They kind of exist just to 1.00

00:04:57.900 take aim at Israel and its big brother us. So this is a pipe dream. But President Trump has

00:05:05.380 tried. He's going to try. And he's doing it in the context of getting rid of this war to say,

00:05:10.880 okay, we'll stop bombing you. We'll stop blockading your ports. And we will allow you to become

00:05:17.100 cash rich. Frankly, I mean, that's what's about to happen. And, you know, the people who are

00:05:24.460 very, very worried about Iran, which is not just the neocon hawks. I mean, I see the danger in

00:05:29.460 Iran and I'm not a neocon hawk, are concerned about Iran getting all this money because they

00:05:34.780 do want a nuclear bomb, whatever they say. But we are trusting now that that's not really a

00:05:41.680 possibility after the strikes on their facilities and the other nuclear downgrades and whatever

00:05:45.900 technology we have overhead that helps us keep an eye on them. Moreover, the president and the

00:05:50.140 vice president both say that there will be monitoring. Now, that's not in the memorandum,

00:05:54.380 but they both say it's going to be in the long-term deal. And if it's not in the long-term

00:05:57.540 deal, we're going to not release those financial spigots. Some are getting released up front and

00:06:03.320 will not be undoable, but some are more like, let's see what you can do. And then you may or

00:06:09.520 may not get the money. So we do have some ability to punish them that's not military

00:06:15.340 if they try to resume, you know, enrichment or what have you. Look, Iran, as for that nuclear 0.84

00:06:23.940 dust, which became a big issue over the course of the war, we got to get the dust, we got to get

00:06:27.300 the dust. They're agreeing not to develop or obtain a nuclear weapon. They've been agreeing

00:06:31.800 to that for years. They agreed to that in the JCPOA. They always say that they won't.

00:06:36.920 And then they kind of didn't during the first part of that JCPOA that was signed in 2016, was it?

00:06:46.220 It was right before Obama left.

00:06:48.420 Trump canceled it in 18.

00:06:50.140 So they were actually complying because we had like nonstop inspections of them.

00:06:56.460 And then we tore it up because Trump didn't like the deal.

00:07:00.240 Because it had sunset provisions on just how long they'd have to hold the nuclear enrichment to 3.67%.

00:07:06.920 and he thought that was a bad idea.

00:07:09.840 Well, he tore it up, and then they started enriching to over 60%,

00:07:13.240 and then we blew them up.

00:07:15.840 There's a real question about, like, what's going to happen now,

00:07:19.060 and are we actually going to be able to make sure with inspections

00:07:21.640 that they're not doing this again?

00:07:22.860 But look, right now, that nuclear dust that's way below ground,

00:07:26.440 we're told they'll downblend it or dilute it,

00:07:31.320 and we're not exactly sure whether we've agreed to that.

00:07:37.280 President Trump and J.D. Vance have said different things on that.

00:07:40.420 It seems like they're not okay with that.

00:07:42.440 They want it to be, I think J.D. Vance told us the other day,

00:07:44.640 that it's going to be destroyed and removed.

00:07:48.160 Trying to remember exactly, but look, it's below ground,

00:07:53.020 and President Trump has accepted the reality that that's a near impossibility.

00:07:56.400 We looked at going in and getting it ourselves.

00:07:58.140 it was going to be nearly impossible for us. So it's going to be nearly impossible for them to

00:08:03.620 actually potentially, in fact, impossible. Look, the president yesterday was extraordinary in

00:08:10.500 making comments on this. I had never seen him so frank about the realities in Iran, which I have to

00:08:17.680 say was very encouraging. Why was it encouraging? Because my number one takeaway on all this when

00:08:22.700 you're looking at the upsides and, you know, there's downsides, as I just outlined, is that

00:08:27.440 President Trump now gets it, he gets what's happening there. He understands the danger of

00:08:34.300 listening to Israel when it comes to bombing campaigns in the Middle East. And he also 0.84

00:08:39.160 understands that Iran, you know, for all of its leadership troubles, and there are many, I don't

00:08:44.100 dispute it, is a country with, like I said, nearly 100 million people living there, and they have to

00:08:51.420 survive. The president said, I don't want them to starve. We can't have the Iranians starving to

00:08:56.820 death. And he's starting to realize that at least with ever, you know, whomever he's negotiating

00:09:02.620 with, and it's still the IRGC, which is radical in charge of Iran, but he's starting to believe

00:09:06.500 that there's at least an opportunity for that carrot. All right. President Trump yesterday

00:09:12.340 started with this one. I'm going to play a couple of soundbites. First of all, he talked about on

00:09:18.420 this front about nuclear enrichment because look, there are two purposes to enriching uranium. One

00:09:24.540 is domestic energy. The much more nefarious one is creating a nuclear weapon. And here's what

00:09:30.600 Trump said about that. It is a little hard, though, when you say that somebody wants it,

00:09:35.600 other people have it, other adjoining states have it, and you're not letting them have it

00:09:41.140 for purposes of electricity and things like that. It's always a little tough. You have to use a

00:09:44.700 little common sense, please. It's very clearly opening the door to nuclear enrichment. I imagine

00:09:51.060 it's going to have a number like below 3.67. I understand why the critics don't like it,

00:09:56.120 but that hit totally different tone by the president there on the question of whether

00:10:01.220 Iran can have a nuclear program. The Strait of Hormuz is going to be open to commercial traffic

00:10:06.800 under the agreement, but it says for 60 days, they won't charge tolls. What's going to happen

00:10:14.160 after 60 days? Clearly we're going to cede that they do have control over the Strait. They and

00:10:19.900 Oman. Those are the two countries that abut the Strait of Hormuz. And we're apparently ready to

00:10:25.200 say, OK, you control it. After 60 days, you could potentially toll it and we're not going to bomb

00:10:31.720 you. But I think, again, no one's saying this explicitly, but I think the president is thinking

00:10:37.360 if the carrots are big enough outside the strait, they won't do that. You know, if we're allowing

00:10:43.220 Iranian exports to flow, if we're allowing their oil sales in U.S. dollars, if we are

00:10:49.880 unfreezing their frozen assets. You know, I calculated up what I think they may be getting

00:10:54.900 on this deal, and it looks like over $500 billion. It's a big number. You remember,

00:11:03.040 Donald Trump was extremely freaked out over that JCPOA, in which we gave Iran $1.7 billion in cash,

00:11:11.920 $1.7 billion. Well, we're about to give them first access to $24 billion in their frozen assets.

00:11:19.880 half now, half in a little bit. And then there are at least three other things we're giving them

00:11:26.940 that amount to $400 billion. Is my math off? Yes, I guess it's not $524 billion. No, it is $300.

00:11:36.620 Here's how I came to that number. It's $24 billion in the frozen assets. It's the $300 billion in

00:11:42.520 reconstruction costs. We're not going to pay that. It's going to come from the Gulf Arabs.

00:11:47.680 and they're going to rebuild Iran. Okay. I mean, like money's fungible. I get it. And the critics 0.98

00:11:54.080 are like, they're just going to use large portions of that to rebuild their missile capacity

00:11:58.280 and their drone supply and potentially their nuclear program. That, yeah, that's a risk.

00:12:07.520 That's, there's no question that's a risk, but we're about to do it. $300 billion in reconstruction

00:12:12.500 And then two separate $100 billion gifts. One is U.S. sanctions relief, relief from U.S. sanctions, which they estimate to be worth about $100 billion. And one is their oil exports, that the Treasury is going to allow Iranian oil exports again. That's about $4 billion a month, which is $96 billion a year.

00:12:35.600 So that's $300 from the Gulf Arabs to rebuild Iran, $100 from us on U.S. sanctions relief,

00:12:40.640 $100 from us on the oil exports, and then $24 billion to release their frozen assets.

00:12:47.580 They are going to be flush with cash and potentially won't need whatever they're

00:12:51.900 going to do in the Strait of Hormuz. I think that's what Trump is banking on.

00:12:55.140 But this was all, you know, you can see the downside. They weren't making any money off

00:13:00.220 the Strait of Hormuz before we launched the war. It was an open waterway free to the international

00:13:06.120 community for its use. And now they've discovered that that's a weapon in their toolkit, and they're

00:13:13.600 not afraid to use it against us or anybody else. And that leads to what President Trump was saying

00:13:21.200 yesterday. Look, it's not great. We talked about how the war was not a good idea, but it is what

00:13:27.480 it is. It needed to end. There was no point in just prolonging the inevitable. And it's going to 0.98

00:13:31.940 result in Iran getting a little richer. But the president said the following in terms of his

00:13:36.020 justifications for getting out of it. He said, I didn't want to see economic catastrophe.

00:13:41.840 He's talking about globally and to us, to the American people. I didn't want to see economic

00:13:47.100 catastrophe, he said. He said, only stupid people wanted the war to continue, wanted me to continue 1.00

00:13:53.280 dropping bombs. He said he did not want to be compared to Herbert Hoover. He is bringing that 1.00

00:14:01.980 into the conversation, who, of course, presided over the Great Depression here in the United

00:14:05.220 States. He was accurately reading the consequences of that strait being closed. It all came down to

00:14:13.780 that, you guys, the strait was causing oil barrels not to emerge from a region in which

00:14:24.200 one-fifth of the world's oil supply travels. And it was affecting us. It was affecting

00:14:29.560 international neighbors. Here at home, our strategic petroleum supply, our reserves,

00:14:38.620 are down. They're at the lowest level since 1983 right now. 172 million barrels have been released

00:14:47.080 to try to save people from the pain of that straight being closed. And still, our gas prices

00:14:53.580 are over four bucks. Here, by me, in Connecticut, they were over $5 at one point. They're going back

00:14:59.980 down, but Trump was seeing the writing on the wall. The strategic petroleum supply is down by

00:15:07.120 half. It's only 47% full right now. 47% full because of the disbursements they've been making

00:15:15.020 to try to ease your pain at the pump. The president was very focused on this, even though his public

00:15:20.780 messaging was, I don't care. Remember he said, the increased prices are worth it. Well, that was

00:15:27.420 Trump being a marketer. You know, he did care. And he saw what we saw, which was these prices

00:15:35.120 were not sustainable as a practical matter for Americans who were hurting or as a political

00:15:39.860 matter for the Republican Party, which was going to shoulder the blame for this in these

00:15:45.140 midterms and beyond. So I appreciate the honesty. I do. I look, it's better if the honesty had been

00:15:52.920 there all along. But I appreciate him getting really straight with us yesterday and just kind

00:15:58.660 of admitting, look, I had to do this and this is why I had to do it. And and it's a good idea that

00:16:03.740 did it. It is a good idea. I know people don't like the deal. It's not great. As I said, Iran's

00:16:08.220 going to be rich. Okay. It had to be done. Just accept reality. You know, Rand Paul, who I really 0.93

00:16:14.800 like, he tweeted out something to the following effect. He said that the people objecting now

00:16:22.640 to the closure of this war and the end of this deal, quote, are the architects of every failed

00:16:30.960 intervention of my lifetime. Right. Like we have to stop listening to these people. The super

00:16:37.400 neo Connie Hawk, whatever you want to call them. They're they're operating under an outdated view

00:16:44.420 of the world and of the American attitude and capability. You know, Iran basically brought us 0.99

00:16:51.280 to a surrender by using a bunch of drones to bomb traffic through the strait and using a 0.83

00:17:00.940 bunch of drones to deplete half of our interceptors, which are basically the counter missiles.

00:17:08.820 You know, they had these cheap drones, which could be like 30 grand each that it was getting

00:17:12.940 help from China and Russia with, but it had its own ample supply and it used them to great

00:17:19.020 effect. Our interceptors cost like between four to seven and beyond million to make. And we were

00:17:26.580 expending them on these relatively inexpensive drones to the point now where the our missile

00:17:33.360 defense system is facing a critical inventory crisis, according to experts that we have burned

00:17:39.620 through 40 percent of our available interceptors. And the experts say it's going to take two to three

00:17:44.540 years to replenish. Now, President Trump is trying to put the pedal to the metal on that.

00:17:49.760 You know, you saw he met early ish on in this conflict with military contractors to see if

00:17:56.240 that could be sped up, but there's a reason that needed to happen. We are down, again,

00:18:02.320 I mean, 40%. We burned through 40% of our available interceptors. So we're down to

00:18:09.180 60%. We used 60%. We used 40%. We're down to 60%. Me and the math, we don't get along well.

00:18:18.740 So in any event, all of this cost us two. And the president saw we got to get out. All right. Iran was able to fight this war with relatively cheap and easy technology. We and the way we fight wars are over budget and over bloated and at a date. That's actually another benefit of having done this, that we learned it.

00:18:39.420 We learned it in dealing with an enemy that actually doesn't have the power to destroy us like China does or Russia, you know, which has nukes.

00:18:48.780 So it's good. It's good to be reminded of here's the reality of where you stand in 2026, America and Pentagon planners.

00:18:58.120 We are not quite as deft as we used to be.

00:19:01.740 And this is another risk that many people who oppose this war had predicted, you know, to say, like, you don't know what's going to happen. You don't know what you don't know. And this is not it's not worth doing. It's not worth expending our interceptors. It's not worth expending our blood and treasure like the 13 service personnel who were killed.

00:19:20.840 It's not worth alerting a country like Iran to a different kind of nuclear bomb it possesses, which is control over the strait. 0.99

00:19:29.080 All those things have come true. 1.00

00:19:30.260 Okay, we get it.

00:19:31.560 That's sort of yesterday's news.

00:19:33.200 It's how I see this conflict is the things that are making people upset are the results of launching the war, not the result of ending it.

00:19:44.060 You know, the things that are making people upset are the things that resulted from launching the war, not ending it.

00:19:50.280 We launched the war, they got the control of the strait, and now we have to deal with that reality.

00:19:54.580 So we either have to let them make money off of that strait, which is a no, or we're going to have to release some of these monies to them because they've got this chip.

00:20:03.340 You know, they're going to make it hard for us and the world if we don't.

00:20:07.180 So if you want to be mad about something, be mad about the fact that it was launched.

00:20:10.300 Don't be mad about President Trump accepting the reality that it needed to end to spare you and me and all the rest of us $7 gas.

00:20:18.680 There was a report out yesterday that the president had been warned if this continued through the summer.

00:20:24.680 That's what we'd be looking at. Seven dollar gas. Can you afford seven dollar gas?

00:20:31.040 Do you do you think the GOP could hold the Senate in November with seven dollar gas?

00:20:39.080 I mean, it's a nightmare. Now, some of the president's critics, of course, are very unhappy.

00:20:48.680 They are ripping on the president for this entire thing.

00:20:54.460 The ones who are his biggest supporters when this thing got launched have, of course, turned on him.

00:20:58.860 We all knew that that would happen.

00:21:02.240 It's amazing because, like, there are others who support the president, objected to the war, and made that clear.

00:21:10.380 And for three months now have been getting called Nazis and anti-Semites by these neocon war hawks.

00:21:18.680 And now those same people who are the original Never Trumpers are all turning on the president.

00:21:23.440 I mean, one by one, they're turning on the president. 1.00

00:21:25.540 This deal's a disaster, you know, calling him names to the point where the president came out just this morning and started ripping on them, calling them stupid. 1.00

00:21:35.840 He's abandoning them because they're abandoning him. 1.00

00:21:38.360 I mean, it was all predictable.

00:21:39.420 We knew it was going to happen.

00:21:40.640 Is anybody shocked?

00:21:42.780 And so here is a little bit more from the president.

00:21:46.320 The issue of the frozen money.

00:21:51.740 Okay, again, there's three sections.

00:21:53.660 There's sanctions relief, there's Iran's oil exports, and then there's Iran's frozen assets.

00:21:59.840 And this last question is about the frozen assets.

00:22:04.980 Peter Doocy of Fox News asked it in South 12.

00:22:07.780 Can you explain, though, what the difference is between giving Iran U.S. dollars and unfreezing U.S. dollars for Iran?

00:22:17.320 Well, the unfreezing is an easy one to answer.

00:22:20.480 We have taken a lot of their money, and we have their money.

00:22:25.440 We have taken their money. It's not our money. It's their money.

00:22:29.580 And we froze it.

00:22:30.960 At a certain point in time, I guess we're going to have to give it back.

00:22:34.940 you know if we didn't give it back nobody would ever invest in the dollar again

00:22:38.580 if you took their money because i thought about it you know i'm not the most perfect person

00:22:44.040 i said to scott scott what do we keep their money what the hell are we giving it back to them

00:22:50.480 but you know people from lots of nations some nations we don't agree with they have their

00:22:56.560 money the dollars become very strong under me and they don't want to have a little conflict

00:23:03.140 with somebody and end up having the United States just take their money. So if you do that,

00:23:08.260 you really don't have a system. The president there referring to the fact that, I don't know

00:23:14.000 what Ducey was referencing with 150 billion, but we have 24 billion of Iranians money, of the

00:23:19.560 Iranians money, frozen in foreign bank accounts, most of which is revenue from oil sales that Iran

00:23:25.300 was paid, but was never able to withdraw due to sanctions per the Wall Street Journal. So

00:23:30.360 it's their money that we've just kind of seized we're not spending it we're just not allowing

00:23:35.580 them to have it and we're about to uh we're about to in that 24 billion then he spoke more on the 0.93

00:23:42.620 missiles and he got very frank about the fact that like i'm stopping their nuclear program

00:23:50.080 but i can't take away all of their ability to defend themselves in this region they're not

00:23:57.860 going to agree to that. Listen to Sod 11. Non-nuclear issues such as the conventional

00:24:03.180 ballistic missiles, which we'll be talking about, and support. I mean, they have to have some because

00:24:08.060 other people have some. You've got to have some. Somebody said, you shouldn't give them one. I

00:24:12.980 have guys. I like some of these guys, but I don't think they're smart. Sir, you shouldn't let them

00:24:21.440 have any missile. I said, well, what am I going to do? Am I going to let Saudi Arabia have missiles,

00:24:27.300 but they can't have them? Yes, sir. It doesn't work that way, you know? It doesn't work that

00:24:34.220 way. And missiles aren't the problem. Missiles, they hurt a little location, but they don't

00:24:39.200 blow up the planet. It's a compromise position. Now, his critics point out that he did say

00:24:45.860 on launching this war, his goals were, number one, to annihilate their missile program,

00:24:50.960 to defang Iranian proxies like Hezbollah and so on.

00:24:57.640 He wanted regime change to liberate the Iranian people,

00:25:01.500 and he wanted to end their nuclear program.

00:25:03.240 Well, I mean, we had ended their nuclear program 12 months earlier, I mean, than now.

00:25:08.820 But the missile program's not annihilated. 0.86

00:25:11.980 The proxies are still alive and well.

00:25:14.680 Hezbollah is still operating in Lebanon. 0.60

00:25:16.100 on. And we didn't achieve regime change in a way that would liberate the Iranian people. That's what

00:25:21.680 he said. So I get it that people are saying you're not doing what you said you'd do. But

00:25:26.620 President Trump's being realistic here. There's sort of your list of goals. It's like the beginning

00:25:30.540 of the summer. I'm going to lose 10 pounds. I'm going to eat well. I'm going to stop drinking.

00:25:35.640 I'm going to stop smoking, whatever it is that you do. And then you get to August and like you're

00:25:40.700 staring down the approach of Labor Day. And it's like you lost two. You cut out like, you know,

00:25:48.000 processed foods. You know, you did a little bit more exercise, but you still have an occasional

00:25:55.400 cigarette. You know, it's a compromised position. It was a goal. We definitely expended some of

00:26:01.420 their missile program and targeted some of their missile program. And there's the president being

00:26:05.620 realistic about the fact that the Iranians are not going to agree to anything that looks like 0.92

00:26:10.220 dismantling their missile program or we're not going to expend any more of our strategic 0.76

00:26:16.220 military technology and trying to take it out. Here's the tweet he actually put out earlier,

00:26:23.440 the True Social. These fools who think I haven't been tough enough on Iran 0.98

00:26:28.080 when the stock market just hit a record high and oil prices are tumbling down 1.00

00:26:32.260 are either jealous, bad people or stupid. Make America great again. So he doesn't appreciate 1.00

00:26:38.780 his newfound friends turning on him on a dime.

00:26:43.280 And why are they?

00:26:45.240 Because they're very, very worried about Israel.

00:26:49.220 That's what they're worried about, Israel.

00:26:51.660 Well, guess what? 0.87

00:26:52.640 This needed to end for the sake of America,

00:26:55.220 the country you've chosen to live in,

00:26:57.980 the country that should be your first concern.

00:27:01.840 All right? 0.98

00:27:02.960 Israel's going to have to fight its own battles now.

00:27:06.580 President Trump has learned that.

00:27:08.080 Sorry, going to have to deal with that fact.

00:27:12.400 There's more.

00:27:16.380 Do we play SOT-13, Deb?

00:27:18.720 I don't think we did.

00:27:19.820 No, we didn't.

00:27:20.540 Okay, so this is on the question of, we played him talking about he was open to Iran enriching uranium,

00:27:27.060 saying it's a little hard when other people do it and have it.

00:27:29.200 And here's a little bit more on that in SOT-13.

00:27:31.700 It is a little hard, though, when you say that somebody wants it, other people have it.

00:27:36.340 other adjoining states have it, and you're not letting them have it for purposes of electricity

00:27:42.360 and things like that. It's always a little tough. You have to use a little common sense.

00:27:46.480 Okay, there we go. A little bit more evidence on what he's thinking on enrichment,

00:27:50.640 which seems to be he's going to allow it to some certain extent. And on the subject that I was

00:27:55.300 just discussing about Israel, the president has figured Bibi out. He's figured out Netanyahu.

00:28:02.740 He understands.

00:28:04.700 You know, the thing about Gaza,

00:28:07.120 we all went through 10-7 together on this show. 0.99

00:28:12.360 Don't you all remember the day that happened

00:28:14.140 and we were on the air crying together?

00:28:16.120 It was so brutal what Hamas did to Israel. 0.98

00:28:19.920 It was so disgusting and depraved. 0.59

00:28:23.340 And in the early months of that war,

00:28:26.600 I mean, honestly, for like the first year of that war,

00:28:28.660 it was very hard for me to look at Israel

00:28:31.280 and pass any judgment whatsoever 0.95

00:28:33.140 after what we saw them do to Israel. 0.73

00:28:37.280 And I defended Israel at every turn 0.95

00:28:38.960 and I went on other programs and defended them

00:28:40.580 and I defended Marco Rubio for deporting people

00:28:43.640 who were celebrating what had happened to Israel.

00:28:46.980 I just could not believe the lack of humanity 1.00

00:28:49.500 against Israel, Israelis. 1.00

00:28:52.120 And I still can't believe it. 1.00

00:28:53.000 I still think it's depraved. 0.99

00:28:54.260 I make no apologies whatsoever for the evil Hamas. 0.99

00:28:59.120 But let's face it, it went on too long. The Israeli response was to carpet bomb Gaza out of existence. We've got tens of thousands dead, civilians, tens of thousands civilians dead. That's an agreed-upon number by both sides. 0.97

00:29:16.320 women, children, elderly, the amount of innocents who have been killed in Gaza so dwarfs the amount

00:29:26.620 who were killed on 10-7 in Israel that you truly have to be barbaric or heartless to not factor it

00:29:31.980 in in evaluating what happened in the Middle East over the past three years. We have to look.

00:29:38.320 And I don't even think that Israel's response needed to be proportionate. I told that to Piers

00:29:42.280 Morgan, like eight, nine months ago, that our response wouldn't be proportionate. We wouldn't

00:29:49.180 be concerned with that. If that happened to Dallas, Texas, or New York, or any place in the

00:29:57.340 United States, we wouldn't say, oh, make sure it's proportionate. We would want to punish.

00:30:01.520 And that's what Israel did too. But we also wouldn't commit a genocide. We wouldn't carpet 0.91

00:30:07.080 bomb. And that's what they did. That's what happened in Gaza. And so Israel's in a really 1.00

00:30:14.180 tough position now because it's lost the support of the international community, obviously. They've

00:30:17.900 become a pariah of the entire Democrat Party, of all of the independent parties, like all

00:30:24.800 independents in the United States are completely against Israel. And now 40% of Republicans,

00:30:29.680 the latest numbers are between 30 and 40% of Republicans have turned on Israel.

00:30:33.000 They no longer approve.

00:30:34.460 And it's as a direct result of all of this, what they did in Gaza, what they're doing in Lebanon now,

00:30:40.020 they're trying to grab territory there.

00:30:42.000 They say, oh, it's because, you know, we're getting bombed. 0.91

00:30:43.940 We're getting bombed by Hezbollah.

00:30:45.040 That's not the full story, friends. 0.99

00:30:46.320 It's just not.

00:30:47.940 And even the president has seen it.

00:30:50.540 And people have turned on them because they got us into this war, obviously.

00:30:54.060 They convinced Donald Trump to do it.

00:30:55.280 They told him all sorts of pie-in-the-sky stories.

00:30:57.060 He believed it.

00:30:58.220 We've never deprived President Trump of his own agency.

00:31:01.380 but it was at their behest. They're the ones who pushed him into it. They had this situation room

00:31:07.640 briefing with Netanyahu present and the Mossad chief coming in via satellite. And it was very

00:31:13.200 clear how he was persuaded to do this, at least to me. And the president now has had his light bulb

00:31:19.920 moment pushing back for the first time. We've seen it over the past couple of weeks. It's

00:31:25.120 beginning more irritated as Netanyahu continues to queer every or try to every peace deal or

00:31:29.320 every ceasefire that we enter into. He doesn't understand, you're the junior partner. While

00:31:33.520 we're involved fighting your war, sit down and do as you're told. Now we're going to get out of it

00:31:38.980 and we're going to tell him the same stuff. He's not going to obey. I think we're not going to get

00:31:42.080 involved. But at a minimum, when we're holding hands still as BFFs, you're the junior, okay?

00:31:49.220 We're the senior. You wouldn't have any of this ability if it weren't for us. And it's about to

00:31:54.840 dry up. So here was the president talking about Israel's behavior in Sot 14. They've been a good

00:32:01.440 partner. Again, I think they could do better with respect to Hezbollah. I'm not saying they 0.99

00:32:09.500 shouldn't protect themselves. I'm saying when two drones are shot into the desert and drop

00:32:15.580 harmlessly, you don't have to knock down buildings in Beirut. They could behave better. And frankly,

00:32:23.000 they could do a better job uh i i love them as a partner they were terrific but they could do a

00:32:29.960 much better job with hezbollah the president's sounding slightly under the weather there uh

00:32:35.380 with a scratchy voice we wish him well um here's here's the bottom line okay i'm gonna wrap this

00:32:41.080 up here's the bottom line it's a great thing that this war is coming to a close it's a great thing

00:32:47.140 and the president should be praised and you should not listen to these frothing at the mouth neocon

00:32:52.060 hawks who want more war. When they rip all over this deal, what they're really pushing for is

00:32:56.160 more bombing. There's no alternative to Trump right now. There is no alternative. The Iranians

00:33:00.740 are not going to bend. They did well in this war. They actually did very well against us.

00:33:05.380 That's the reality. And Trump has accepted that reality and is trying to cut our losses. Good

00:33:11.940 for him. Good for him. He's a practical man. Let's pray he does not submit to the pressure

00:33:18.120 from these much more hawkish folks who have been cozying up to him for the past three months,

00:33:23.940 who hated his guts prior, and resume a bombing campaign. It is good that President Trump has

00:33:30.780 learned the truth about listening to Netanyahu and these people. It is good that all future

00:33:36.580 presidents will have this excursion as an example of what happens when you try Middle East

00:33:47.100 adventurism. Not just like, OK, I mean, we had that. I realize, you know, we had that with Iraq 0.69

00:33:52.700 and Afghanistan, but we thought we could do the quickie here. We thought we could do the Venezuela 0.86

00:33:56.700 and we've learned the hard way you can. You can't not without major consequences that are very

00:34:02.660 negative for us. And look at, you know, the president's approval ratings, the Republican

00:34:07.200 approval ratings, the fracturing of the president's coalition, white working class men no longer

00:34:11.720 supporting the president. What? And anywhere near the numbers that they did. Blacks are gone.

00:34:16.800 Hispanics are gone. Independents are gone. Gone. All groups that were with the president are gone. 0.99

00:34:22.300 So there's work to be done to regain the trust of those voting blocs, which do matter.

00:34:28.480 And I but the upside of it is future presidents will look at what President Trump's war did to his own numbers.

00:34:36.000 This was the Fifth Avenue moment. And they actually did abandon him.

00:34:40.820 All but the very, very core MAGA did abandon the president when it comes to approval rating, which can be reversed.

00:34:48.300 It can be reversed.

00:34:49.940 So that's something that's a warning.

00:34:52.680 And last but not least, Israel has been exposed.

00:34:57.500 And the hawks have lost their power.

00:35:00.000 They've lost their power.

00:35:01.600 They are not credible sources of information.

00:35:04.480 And their foreign policy predictions have been universally disastrous. 0.82

00:35:08.900 So hopefully we can get back to thinking about America,

00:35:12.060 governing for American interests,

00:35:14.180 focusing like a laser on the U.S. economy,

00:35:16.340 and we can stop focusing on the Strait of Hormuth,

00:35:20.500 as Sarah says, my friend and hairstylist.

00:35:23.240 Okay, we're gonna take a break.

00:35:24.840 We're gonna come back.

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00:36:58.580 Welcome to Kelly's Court. We have big updates in the Carmelo Anthony story. The judge in the

00:37:03.800 trial speaking out. You never see that. Plus, author Amy Griffin is now suing the woman who

00:37:09.480 alleges Amy stole her story for her bestseller, The Tell. You remember this book where she claims

00:37:17.260 she had recovered memories of growing up in Amarillo, Texas? Nobody knows who Amy Griffin

00:37:21.620 is, but she's married to a very rich $6 billion man in New York, and she's used her husband's 0.98

00:37:28.460 money to invest in various female empowerment type companies like Gwyneth Paltrow and people 0.99

00:37:36.960 like that, who then all promoted her book. So it became a bestseller. And then she made the Time

00:37:43.760 100 as this terribly put upon Me Too victim, like, feel sorry for me. I don't enjoy your $6 billion.

00:37:51.980 And it turns out that, according to the New York Times, she may have stolen the story from a girl from the wrong side of the tracks who she grew up with in Amarillo, Texas, that these weren't Amy's recovered memories.

00:38:08.900 These were her classmates' memories.

00:38:13.660 And it tracks because Amy was from a very well-to-do family.

00:38:17.660 She was very popular.

00:38:18.800 She was like the head cheerleader or what have you. 1.00

00:38:20.460 And that's not generally the one that the inappropriate, gross math teacher chooses to abuse. Sadly, they usually choose girls from broken families, can be boys too, especially when it comes to childhood sexual abuse, broken families who can't threaten them as much or who can be demeaned or diminished or don't have means and so on.

00:38:41.020 In any event, it doesn't mean it can't happen to a well-off girl, but there were holes in the story from the start.

00:38:47.420 And then the New York Times found this woman who went to school with Amy who says she stole my story.

00:38:55.300 And not only that, but then that woman filed a lawsuit against Amy Griffin saying, not only did you steal my story, you came out here, you met with me shortly before the publication of your book.

00:39:06.260 and you got me to send you a postcard as like, hey, so good to be back in touch. 0.86

00:39:13.120 And then you clearly co-opted that story for your book saying this other girl, Claudia,

00:39:20.180 who you went to school with, who also got allegedly raped by the man you're claiming

00:39:23.720 raped you, sent you a postcard out of the blue.

00:39:27.200 And it seemed to you to be telegraphing that like me too, after your memoir was published. 1.00

00:39:33.780 And so this woman's like, you're a fraud. 1.00

00:39:35.240 You stole my story. You asked me to have coffee. You gave me a postcard or asked me to buy one and then wrote out your address for me to send it to you. And then you wrote about it in the book. Like there's this other person named Claudia who was also raped. But that's not the truth. Only I was, as far as I know. So just says this woman. Not exactly, but like that. 1.00

00:39:53.560 And then and you did it all to self-aggrandize so that you could wind up on Gwyneth Paltrow's show and Oprah's show and Jenna Bush Hager and wind up at the time 100. 0.99

00:40:03.200 Well, now she Griffin is cross counter suing the that woman.

00:40:11.500 And it's turned into a true she said, she said, we're like that one of them is absolutely lying.

00:40:18.480 One hundred percent. One of them is making up a bunch of stuff.

00:40:22.680 and we just don't know whom.

00:40:25.400 So it's a very interesting case.

00:40:26.560 That's where we're going to kick it off.

00:40:27.840 We've got three pals here today on Kelly's Court.

00:40:29.600 Mark Eiglarge, co-host of Positively Legal

00:40:31.660 on MK True Crime,

00:40:33.080 which you should subscribe to

00:40:34.460 at your podcast service or on YouTube.com.

00:40:37.320 Andrew Branca, who's host of the Andrew Branca Show

00:40:39.500 and Dave Ehrenberg,

00:40:40.800 who's co-host of the MK True Crime Show,

00:40:43.080 who you can also find on Substack now

00:40:45.300 because Dave's finally sharing his legal gifts

00:40:48.140 with us in multiple forums

00:40:48.980 now that he's no longer a county attorney for Palm Beach.

00:40:51.720 Great to see you all.

00:40:53.220 Hey, Meg.

00:40:53.860 Good to be here.

00:40:55.660 Okay, so am I right, Mark?

00:40:58.200 They can't both be telling the truth in this particular circumstance.

00:41:01.920 It's either Amy Griffin or Jane Doe, as she refers to herself in the lawsuit.

00:41:07.460 One of them is making up a bunch of whoppers. 0.61

00:41:11.480 Right.

00:41:12.140 This is one or the other.

00:41:13.740 One is a horrible person, and I'm hoping through the lawsuit we're going to find out who it is.

00:41:21.720 I'm so desperate to know and I can't just sit and wait.

00:41:25.800 So, like, I'm like I'm investigating.

00:41:28.240 I watched an interview of the attorney who filed the lawsuit, trying to gaze what kind of person.

00:41:36.080 What's he about?

00:41:37.740 You know, is he an ambulance?

00:41:39.240 The one representing Jane Doe?

00:41:40.400 Yeah. 0.58

00:41:40.840 Is he an ambulance chaser?

00:41:42.660 Is he just in for the money?

00:41:44.360 No, man.

00:41:44.900 The guy seemed legit.

00:41:46.000 so he's willing to bankroll this lawsuit based upon the evidence that he has uncovered that

00:41:53.420 put a put a little plus in the in the column of there i i don't know megan but this is this is

00:41:58.820 pretty bad i'm not ready to call her a snake yet you know you seem to be leaning towards you know

00:42:04.520 she stole the story but we really don't know we don't know yet we don't know we don't know we

00:42:11.040 don't make that clear i don't i don't want to throw amy griffin under the bus i actually know 0.59

00:42:14.260 Amy a little. She's always very nice to me. It's just if she did this, she's a horrible.

00:42:20.200 We all agree. They're very clear. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But we we just don't know because now 0.95

00:42:24.460 we didn't know at any point. But now this woman's come forward saying she is a horrible person.

00:42:29.740 She did steal. And what Amy's saying in response, Dave, is that she never went out there and met

00:42:36.820 with this. Well, she's like, I never went to Palm Springs at all, which I guess is where the woman

00:42:40.660 claims the meeting took place. And she's been able to produce no receipts to show otherwise

00:42:47.120 because they asked her for documents. And she said, oh, I don't have any responsive documents.

00:42:52.020 So she's kind of saying put up or shut up. But I mean, either the woman is totally fabricating 0.88

00:42:58.120 that Amy Griffin flew out there and they met together and they did this postcard thing,

00:43:01.660 or Amy is completely lying when she says she never met with this woman with whom she did meet.

00:43:07.540 Yep. Megan, it's a binary choice here. One of them is lying and you can prove it. Just show the receipts. Right. I mean, Amy Griffin is saying in her lawsuit that she has documented proof that she wrote out her account in 2020.

00:43:22.480 And then she gave a formal interview with the Amarillo Police Department in 2021. And that's before the Jane Doe came out with her account in 2022.

00:43:33.640 too and so it's no it's before amy allegedly went and met with jane doe right correct so

00:43:40.360 that would that timeline really does in order to the benefit of amy griffin right if she in fact

00:43:46.720 wrote out her own story and gave a police report in 2021 before she ever met with jane doe then

00:43:52.300 that should be game over right i mean it doesn't though well no it shouldn't i i get i understand

00:43:58.200 why you think that, but the, it shouldn't because the allegation by Jane Doe is that Amy knew all

00:44:05.000 about Jane's sexual assault from when they were children, that she told Amy that, that she

00:44:11.560 borrowed Amy's dress to go to this cotillion and then gave it back to Amy after she Jane Doe had

00:44:18.260 been sexually assaulted by the teacher and it had bodily fluids on it. And so she believes,

00:44:24.480 I can't remember if the allegation is that she directly told Amy about it or that the dress made

00:44:27.880 it clear and that there were others in the community who knew. And she's presuming Amy

00:44:32.740 understood all of this long before. Otherwise, why would Amy have known to call her? Why would

00:44:37.480 Amy have asked to meet with her? And then she also alleges Amy then. So in other words, she's

00:44:43.320 claiming Amy wrote down that story before she met with Jane Doe because Amy knew it from her

00:44:47.520 childhood. She'd been told the story and that she just rounded back to Jane Doe to like firm up the

00:44:53.520 story, maybe add a couple of details and possibly just to strong arm Jane Doe into giving her this

00:44:58.120 postcard so that she could use it in the actual memoir. But isn't the 2019 coffee shop meeting

00:45:04.660 really important here, right? In Palm Springs, Griffin says that she has documentation. She

00:45:09.260 wasn't even in the area at the time. So, I mean, all these holes. That's bizarre. Yeah,

00:45:14.340 that's a problem. Yes, I agree. That went through me for a loop, too, as somebody who has

00:45:18.960 has been critical of griffin on this like if she wasn't there if she like whatever people can get

00:45:25.900 dates wrong you know it's possible uh but if she never flew out and met with this woman then the

00:45:31.380 woman's a fabulist then the woman's jane doe is not telling the truth you know she did it which

00:45:35.820 is a possibility yeah and she did a tactical move uh megan because jane doe she was able to get 0.99

00:45:41.320 anonymity by filing the privacy lawsuit in california so what amy griffin did smartly was 1.00

00:45:46.260 to file a Nevada, a defamation lawsuit, which outs her, which actually produces her name. 1.00

00:45:50.640 It's just not being named in the press.

00:45:52.660 So this is a pressure campaign also to say, OK, you're not going to be able to hide behind

00:45:57.600 anonymity much longer.

00:45:59.700 Yes.

00:46:00.480 Well, here's the other thing, though, Andrew.

00:46:02.620 They're not suing The New York Times, Amy Griffin, right, as far as they're not sued.

00:46:08.440 But they're the ones who broke the story of Jane Doe.

00:46:12.780 Maureen Callahan, actually, in the MK Media Network, first came out about the tell saying,

00:46:17.280 I smell a rat.

00:46:18.460 She had read the Amazon reviews where woman after woman was saying kind of what I said 1.00

00:46:23.380 at the top, which is there's some like deviant math teacher who's raping young teens in an 0.99

00:46:30.200 Amarillo school. 0.92

00:46:31.600 No one ever heard a whiff about it.

00:46:33.460 And he chooses the most popular girl in school, the prom queen, rich girl like that does not 0.85

00:46:39.840 track.

00:46:40.460 That's not a thing.

00:46:41.060 So Maureen did a segment on it. Then the New York Times did a deep dive in which they produced Jane Doe. They didn't cite her, but they found this whole new element to the story, which is like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Amy's recovered memories are actual memories from this other girl.

00:46:55.940 but it wasn't the teacher that Amy Griffin is accusing. It was a different teacher who then

00:47:00.460 left the school. And the New York Times, Andrew, is standing by its reporting 100% saying it all

00:47:08.920 checks out. We don't move one inch off of our reporting. Well, the problem is in the law,

00:47:16.960 the truth is always kind of ephemeral, right? I mean, for example, juries never really know

00:47:21.400 what happened. We try to get the closest approximation of the truth that we can. And

00:47:25.780 the trouble with these cases is that they all happened decades ago. Statutes of limitation

00:47:30.560 exist for a reason. And we see a repeated cycle of this. We see E. Jean Carroll accusing Trump

00:47:36.840 over things that happened two, three decades ago. We saw Christine Blasey Ford accusing Brett

00:47:41.720 Kavanaugh of things that happened 36 years ago. These events happened decades ago. There's no way

00:47:47.040 for anyone to really defend themselves

00:47:48.760 against these charges,

00:47:49.840 just giving the passage of time.

00:47:53.140 My team's reminding me.

00:47:55.800 Correct.

00:47:56.580 She didn't sue the New York Times.

00:47:58.900 Amy didn't. 0.59

00:47:59.900 And that Jane Doe does claim in her lawsuit

00:48:01.600 that she told her church group

00:48:03.200 about her alleged sexual assault.

00:48:04.980 She alleges as follows.

00:48:06.060 During said church youth group meeting,

00:48:08.280 which both plaintiff Doe

00:48:10.340 and defendant Amy Griffin attended

00:48:12.380 with a number of other individuals,

00:48:14.220 plaintiff Jane Doe asked for Jesus's forgiveness

00:48:16.560 due to the sexual assault by the teacher,

00:48:18.920 which had occurred at the Sadie Hawkins dance. 0.95

00:48:20.840 So I was right.

00:48:22.000 Dave, that's the point.

00:48:23.580 Jane Doe is alleging Amy Griffin knew since childhood

00:48:27.020 that Jane Doe had been sexually assaulted by a teacher

00:48:30.760 and knew the details of it and had the dress,

00:48:33.400 which is something Amy tells as her own memory

00:48:36.140 about herself in her book.

00:48:37.880 So she may have gone back to Jane Doe,

00:48:40.400 this is Jane Doe's version,

00:48:41.820 later in life after she wrote this book

00:48:44.060 to like get a couple of extra details

00:48:46.140 or possibly even just to get that postcard.

00:48:49.180 But Jane Doe's position will be,

00:48:51.860 it wasn't necessary for her to learn my story. 0.60

00:48:55.160 But then she did send,

00:48:56.860 so here's the other piece of it.

00:48:58.020 I'm gonna let you respond,

00:48:58.820 but I've been covering this so much. 1.00

00:49:01.920 Jane Doe alleges that Amy then sent a movie,

00:49:05.200 a private investigator posing as a movie producer

00:49:08.700 to say, hey, I'm really interested in making your story.

00:49:11.720 Now what, the guy didn't say I'm friends with Amy,

00:49:15.080 but she's figured, I mean,

00:49:16.140 This woman made up this whole thing. This guy who she named, she just got a card with a name on it. And this person saying, I don't know this Jane Doe. I didn't do this. But the woman is alleging that Amy sent this P.I. who posed as a movie producer to get more details about Jane's story.

00:49:35.040 and the movie producer is claiming that's not true

00:49:40.680 or like the actual person named, whatever his name is,

00:49:43.520 says, I didn't go out there.

00:49:44.920 So it's hard to follow.

00:49:46.640 But here's the other side of that, Dave.

00:49:49.980 Amy admits in her own book

00:49:52.800 that she did hire private investigators

00:49:55.960 to run around investigating some of the details

00:49:58.820 that she was offering.

00:49:59.920 That's already been admitted.

00:50:01.000 okay now there are a bunch of contradictions between jane doe's lawsuit amy griffin's lawsuit

00:50:08.280 so to go back to the church group which you mentioned you're right jane doe alleged that

00:50:13.300 not only did she disclose the assault to the church group but that amy griffin was part of 0.99

00:50:17.540 the church group that she wasn't in attendance uh there but uh amy griffin actually directly

00:50:22.340 addressed that in her lawsuit she says that they were never part of the same church youth group

00:50:27.360 So that's one of the factual disputes here. And as far as the movie producer, it's another thing where the movie producer himself says, I don't know what you're talking about. I had nothing to do. I wasn't involved in any way. And he sort of he says he has receipts to show that he wasn't there meeting with her at the time. So this is something that you could say should be proven.

00:50:45.920 But Jane, I think, I think Jane is going to say it was a P.I. posing as a movie producer.

00:50:53.380 So Jane's not a sophisticated Hollywood person.

00:50:57.100 So she's accepting this guy's name is whatever he tells her.

00:51:00.240 No, that's that's right. But the question is, who is it? Right.

00:51:02.780 Because it's this whole producer talent agent.

00:51:07.760 That's that's the issue.

00:51:09.320 Apparently, yeah, he said she said here.

00:51:12.780 And this is not like the 1970s.

00:51:14.560 We actually have like phone data and all these other things that can show where you were at the time.

00:51:18.840 So that's why I think we'll know by the end of this, we'll know who's telling the truth and who's lying.

00:51:23.620 I hope you're right.

00:51:24.720 All right, stand by.

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00:53:03.000 We are back now with Mark Eiglarsh, Andrew Branca, and Dave Ehrenberg.

00:53:08.380 Okay, let's keep going because there's a lot more that we need to cover on other cases.

00:53:12.840 Carmelo Anthony, the now 19-year-old man in Texas who was just convicted of murdering Austin Metcalf

00:53:22.560 for no reason in a tent at a track meet is now, well, saying that he's penniless and he needs a

00:53:30.320 court-appointed lawyer to represent him on appeal. And at the same time, Mark Iglarsch, the judge

00:53:35.060 is speaking out. The judge gave an interview. You never see this. It's so rare. But the judge

00:53:39.340 gave an interview. And among the things that he spoke out about was why he did not allow cameras

00:53:45.720 in the courtroom. It's kind of interesting. Sot 35. We'll tell you, I got some reports of some

00:53:50.940 things that were coming out of this courtroom. And I wondered to myself, were they even in the

00:53:54.920 same courtroom that I was? It's that bad. And I think that's tragic because I think really,

00:54:00.640 if you just listened to the case based upon the facts, you'd understand it so much better.

00:54:04.200 Do you think it reinforced your decision to not have cameras or streaming inside this?

00:54:10.220 Sort of. I will tell you this. Sometimes I think maybe I should have at least the audio streamed

00:54:14.260 or something so people could hear it. But at the end of the day, I don't think no matter what,

00:54:18.560 People are going to distort whatever happens or whatever they hear into their own agenda.

00:54:23.200 And so what's the point?

00:54:26.000 That was Collin County District Judge John Roach interviewing with WFAA, the Dallas ABC affiliate.

00:54:33.780 So I don't know, Mark.

00:54:35.380 I agree.

00:54:36.200 At least audio would have been quite helpful.

00:54:38.100 Absolutely.

00:54:38.880 He asks, what's the point?

00:54:40.620 The point is at least there's people like me and the two other guests who would have said, no, that's not accurate what you're saying.

00:54:47.800 we saw the testimony and we could say there's no way that occurred. We were in the dark. And so

00:54:54.440 now we're reliant upon, I'll use air quotes, media entities who are telling us what's going on inside

00:55:02.700 the courtroom. So, no, I think that he is actually reconsidering his decision. I think if he stayed

00:55:08.740 on the bench and I think he's gone soon, he would probably allow cameras and likely, you know,

00:55:14.980 that would change the energy of this whole thing. There were such distortions during this case.

00:55:20.480 People claiming he knew the Metcalfs when he didn't. Like, you've got to have more disclosure

00:55:25.780 for the public. You know, this is your business, Andrew. You're an expert in self-defense,

00:55:31.180 and that's what this case was all about, right? Whether Carmelo Anthony was just defending

00:55:35.740 himself. I know, right, exactly. He purported to make it such when he plunged a knife into

00:55:41.380 Austin Metcalf for literally just laying a hand on him. Now you've seen the reaction in the wake

00:55:47.620 of this verdict where some very bizarre collective of far leftists is trying to say this was self

00:55:54.880 defense. Black boys have boundaries and Austin Metcalf found out the hard way. I'm not sure

00:56:02.460 loons like that could have been persuaded if they had had a camera in the courtroom watching 0.97

00:56:06.240 black witnesses one after the other testify that carmelo anthony was in the wrong they saw the 0.98

00:56:12.780 whole thing but it couldn't hurt well the judge says people are going to make up lies about the 0.91

00:56:18.880 case anyway and that's true of course i mean the zimmerman trial everyone there's tons of lies

00:56:23.180 about that the rittenhouse trial the difference is we were able to watch i watched every minute

00:56:28.300 of both those trials so when the lies are put out there as they inevitably are you can have a

00:56:33.640 credible, informed counter argument, the truth to contest those lies. This judge stripped that

00:56:39.840 possibility away. I mean, as my colleague says, now we have to rely on journalists. Frankly,

00:56:45.700 journalists often have their own agenda. They're trying to spin their own narrative. But even when

00:56:49.880 they're being honest, they're not lawyers. They don't know what they're not seeing. They don't

00:56:54.520 know what's important. I kept looking for reporting on, you know, was this subjected to,

00:56:59.260 Was this preserved for appeal? And it's just not it's not in the reporting. So we don't know.

00:57:04.220 And because we can't have an actually substantively informed view about the proceedings, we see these lies on the Internet, or at least we suspect they're lies because they're so outrageous.

00:57:13.980 But there's no informed counter argument. It was terrible what this judge did.

00:57:18.200 And he could have protected those minors just by panning the camera away from their face.

00:57:22.340 And we just would have gotten the audio. Yes, very good point.

00:57:25.720 We've seen that done in many trials, and he chose not to do it.

00:57:29.020 Now there's always going to be this question about whether there was some critical failure to prove that this was, you know, went down as we thought it did.

00:57:38.080 Here he is, Dave, on a subject that we've been discussing, which is the absence of any black jurors.

00:57:44.460 There were minorities, but there were no black jurors.

00:57:47.080 And here is what he said on Sat 38.

00:57:51.140 Like I told you before, as long as I follow the law, I sleep well at night.

00:57:55.720 And I'm telling you, I follow the law in that case.

00:57:58.840 Did I know what the perception was going to be?

00:58:02.360 Sure.

00:58:03.300 I knew in the back of my mind what the perception was going to be.

00:58:06.060 But I'm not here to satisfy perceptions.

00:58:08.080 I'm not here to satisfy agendas.

00:58:10.000 I'm not here to do any of those things.

00:58:11.600 I'm here to follow the law.

00:58:12.940 And I did it to a T.

00:58:14.580 And I'm proud of that.

00:58:15.940 Very proud of that.

00:58:18.400 Good for him.

00:58:19.580 I mean, it's going to be the appellate issue, that and effective assistance, don't you think?

00:58:23.860 Yes.

00:58:24.180 But that's why we needed transparency and cameras in the courtroom, because now you have the public saying, well, you intentionally struck black jurors.

00:58:33.000 This is an unfair trial. And that is terrible because you want the community to buy into it.

00:58:38.060 And because there is no transparency here now, they just believe the worst.

00:58:42.640 And there is no set quote on how many members of certain groups have to be on a jury.

00:58:47.580 You just have to have a fair process. And if someone gave an answer in jury selection that gets them struck,

00:58:53.420 As long as they're not being struck because of race, then it's a legitimate system and it's very unlikely to be overturned on appeal.

00:59:01.340 In fact, judges get a lot of discretion when it comes to jury selection here.

00:59:04.580 And so I think that even though they'll use that on appeal, it's unlikely to overturn this verdict.

00:59:10.260 Mark, there's this guy down in this area in Texas who's affiliated in some way with the parents or was like kind of representing them as a supporter for a while.

00:59:22.220 And his name is Charleston White. And he came out shortly after the verdict and went off on Carmelo Anthony's parents, like flipping against them.

00:59:34.240 Here's what he said. Listen to Stop 42.

00:59:36.800 I am removing myself from Carmelo Anthony's case. I am no longer involved with the family.

00:59:44.460 And here's why. I was starting to feel like I was being used for my influence and my connections and resources.

00:59:55.260 When I tell you we raised over $1 million one day, privately, quietly, they wanted to start another GoFundMe.

01:00:07.560 I said no, I'm not doing the GoFundMe.

01:00:10.940 They wanted to know, after we pay for the pill, will the money go to them?

01:00:15.500 No, the extra money don't go back to you.

01:00:19.180 It goes back to the people who gave it.

01:00:21.340 It don't go to nothing else.

01:00:23.360 The money is for the pill.

01:00:25.460 His daddy in the way. 0.91

01:00:27.560 I don't like weak, I hate weak men. 1.00

01:00:30.280 i'd rather stand with a strong daddy like that mefcap man than his black weak father 1.00

01:00:37.420 trying to play victor you want to get the money but then disassociate yourself from me 0.98

01:00:43.700 nigga i'm here for that boy i'm here for your son and if this money don't go directly to your 0.65

01:00:53.340 son's appeal, you don't get this money. We sent it back. Okay. Well, obviously there's some drama 0.99

01:01:00.920 going on behind the scenes there between him and the dad. But my question to you is about these

01:01:05.360 GoFundMe funds because they raised between 600 and $700,000. We know the family then moved into

01:01:11.360 this mansion down in the area where they've been staying pending the trial. And I don't know,

01:01:19.040 I'm going to guess that the lawyer representing Carmelo Anthony was not top shelf based on the

01:01:24.700 performance that we witnessed. I don't think he's charging Mark Eichlars fees. But my question is

01:01:30.760 simply, if the parents took the give, send, go money and spent it on themselves in some sort of

01:01:38.060 lavish spending spree, I don't have proof of that. But if they did, this guy seems to be intimating

01:01:43.600 they were money hungry for themselves. Is it is there any way of getting it back? Is there any way

01:01:49.420 of Carmelo Anthony suing the parents? Give sang go? What? Yeah. How can that? I don't think it's

01:01:56.500 going to go anywhere. Something more. Yeah, it's not going to go anywhere because this really

01:01:59.760 bothered me. I don't know. I was told that that Anthony had a public defender and that no one

01:02:06.060 spent the money on a good lawyer. So is this a private lawyer that he had? He's not. He used to

01:02:10.900 be. He used to be a public defender when I was in private practice. He made so many mistakes in

01:02:14.900 that trial. Clearly, they didn't go top shelf, right? So I read the language that was posted

01:02:20.360 on that, not GoFundMe, it's something else, but something like that. Gives, then, go. Yeah,

01:02:26.820 whatever. And the language is so broad, it includes moving the family for their safety.

01:02:35.240 And so technically, that means what? Moving them, so buying them a home. In other words,

01:02:40.120 they wouldn't they would survive a fraud accusation legally. But I think they were

01:02:45.980 intellectually dishonest. I think that most people who donated their money wanted this guy to get the

01:02:50.880 best defense possible and for the bulk of the money to go for that. And it didn't.

01:02:57.740 So what I mean, do you agree, Andrew, nothing can be done?

01:03:01.160 Yeah, I don't think anything can be done. I've actually I've met the owner of Give Send Go. We

01:03:04.960 talked about this case and the funding for it because a lot of these funding entities on the

01:03:09.140 internet wouldn't get involved themselves in this uh and he was willing to but i think that's right

01:03:14.120 i mean the way that there's no question people thought they were contributing to the defense

01:03:18.160 right but they didn't read the language in this internet form they're they're putting their credit

01:03:22.080 card information into uh and and it is so broad it could be used for virtually anything and and

01:03:27.380 it clearly wasn't actually used for his defense and won't be used for his appeal um meanwhile the

01:03:34.040 crazy messaging around this continues, Dave, the like the spinners out there spinning.

01:03:39.760 You really, truly would think that Austin Metcalf killed Carmelo Anthony and just got off like that

01:03:49.640 would dovetail with what we're hearing in the news about how black lives matter.

01:03:55.480 Wait a minute. No, a white kid was killed. What do you why? Why are you even making it about race?

01:04:01.120 There was no evidence at trial that this was about race. 0.84

01:04:03.620 And the latest offender is Danielle Hairston.

01:04:09.840 This is posted by Breitbart on June 13th.

01:04:13.200 Listen here.

01:04:14.440 You're holding someone accountable.

01:04:15.980 Yes.

01:04:16.300 Okay.

01:04:16.460 You should be held accountable.

01:04:17.360 But when we know, like scientifically, like your brain is not even developed, like Carmelo

01:04:23.640 Anthony's brain is not even fully developed at 17, even at 18, even at 19, even at 20.

01:04:30.380 that's why they got people still on their parents um insurance insurance until 26 right yeah right

01:04:37.680 because they know that they're not developed they're not always responsible and one bad thing

01:04:43.100 can happen what's the name of the one the the white young person i guess who called rittenhouse

01:04:49.860 oh right now but the one before him who shot the church in south carolina then they oh dylan

01:04:55.860 and they took him to burger king right they took him to burger king after he killed nine

01:05:00.460 non-beautiful came to burger king they're sentencing him to over 30 years carmelo anthony

01:05:07.400 but they took this dude to burger king this young boy i guess he was a boy so the adultification

01:05:14.140 is traumatizing i mean that's crazy to bother she's um a psychiatrist who is the director

01:05:23.060 of residency training in the department of psychiatry at howard university college of

01:05:27.880 medicine dave i mean to compare the dylan roof situation i mean dylan roof is is true evil and

01:05:35.920 they did buy shot and killed nine people awful awful but every case you have to look in its own

01:05:41.960 merits and to say well they treated dylan roof yeah there was a cop who bought a meal for him

01:05:46.400 from burger king but that doesn't mean that carmelo anthony didn't commit murder here i mean

01:05:51.580 you don't bring a knife to a shoving match and dylan roof is he got the death penalty how is

01:05:57.260 carmelo how is he's carmelo anthony's being treated worse than the guy who's getting the

01:06:02.860 death penalty yeah well they're saying the way the cops treat him afterwards but that's i mean

01:06:07.120 that's like a the situation we could talk about with the guy over in uh great britain you know

01:06:10.900 who uh the the killers who are coddled they are police sometimes make mistakes right right exactly

01:06:16.180 so police will make mistakes but yes you're correct dylan roof correctly got the death

01:06:21.140 penalty and deserved it and when you're talking about carmelo anthony he was given 35 years he was

01:06:26.980 he could have been given a lot more so he actually got a sentence that was in line with what you get

01:06:33.660 when you commit this kind of act this is a large knife that he brought to a track meet for whatever

01:06:38.160 reason and he instigated it he provoked it and then he's the one who killed uh the innocent

01:06:44.740 victim here in front of his twin brother and it's just an awful situation and to try to cast him as

01:06:49.740 the victim turns it all on its head. I know it's unbelievable. I know you got to run, Dave. Thanks

01:06:54.700 for coming on. We stick with Andrew and Mark as we go forward. Andrew, what do you make of that?

01:06:59.820 I mean, it's it's totally on brand for this woke Howard University medical professor to be

01:07:06.980 espousing nonsense like that. God only knows what she tells her students who are going to go out

01:07:13.320 there and be operating on and treating Americans coast to coast with that kind of psychosis 0.98

01:07:19.520 introduced into their medical school education? Well, you know, I have to say, I actually was

01:07:25.260 really pleased how how black Americans responded to this event, because we did have a lot of people 0.98

01:07:29.900 who struck me as crazy, like this woman strikes me as crazy. But there are also a lot of black 0.97

01:07:34.600 Americans on social media saying, what's what's wrong with everybody? This was clearly a murder. 0.72

01:07:39.060 They clearly had a realistic understanding of what happened. 0.50

01:07:42.280 If you if we were back in the Zimmerman trial eras, it would have been impossible to find a black person in America who thought that George Zimmerman was legally justified, although a jury found he did.

01:07:52.720 It would have been almost 100 percent cohesive in the black community that that was just a racist murder of a young black kid.

01:07:58.660 It was very refreshing, frankly, in this case to see so many obviously productive, hardworking black Americans with a realistic understanding of what actually happened here and not buying into the the Black Lives Matter type of propaganda.

01:08:13.320 done. Yeah. Well, unfortunately, though, you've got sort of the elite academic class, which she

01:08:20.220 represents. And then just like the, I don't even know what to refer to the people who are outside

01:08:25.040 of that courtroom who were like harassing, who are saying that Austin Metcalfe should be dug up

01:08:30.680 and stabbed again. Like there was a contingent of the black community down there where the trial 0.91

01:08:35.940 was held in Frisco that was absolutely abhorrent. It's not about being black, but it's about 1.00

01:08:41.340 terrible behavior right but it's no accident that this woman who's in the academy matched their 0.69

01:08:47.880 sentiment yes as her takeaway right it's it's absolutely no accident whatsoever and it's

01:08:53.940 deeply wrong i mean we spoke with jeff metcalf a week ago and that family is still suffering

01:08:58.360 and they do not need to hear talks about digging up their dead son and trying to hurt him and the

01:09:04.140 family more. Some have a change.org petition to have his brother now arrested Hunter for alleged

01:09:11.380 assault, which there was no proof of that whatsoever. What Hunter did was hold his

01:09:15.060 dying brother in his hands. Another thing, these weirdest family, the parents are disputing the

01:09:20.300 family of Carmelo. Their parents are disputing that he was the evidence overwhelming. So this

01:09:26.120 is what we're dealing with. OK, I want to keep going because there's a lot more to do. We've got

01:09:30.000 Tyra Banks. Oh, maybe we should do Vikram Digwa before we get to Tyra, since you mentioned it.

01:09:34.820 Let's do that. So there's an update in the Vikram Digwa case, which is his brother,

01:09:40.960 who was right there with him, you guys, when Vikram stabbed poor Henry Novak and killed him

01:09:47.780 in the UK. His brother was an accessory. He was a partner in crime. He participated. He's the one

01:09:54.580 who called 9-1-1 and gave them a bunch of lies.

01:09:58.780 In fact, we have some of that here in SOT 47.

01:10:02.720 Listen, this is the brother.

01:10:04.740 Yeah, we've just been attacked by someone racially. 1.00

01:10:08.480 Yeah, this fucker. 1.00

01:10:09.580 You're talking about verbally or physically? 1.00

01:10:11.800 No, no, he's physically attacked my brother.

01:10:13.320 We're Sikhs, we wear carbon, and he's just attacked my brother.

01:10:16.460 So I need someone here, ASAP.

01:10:17.940 Okay.

01:10:18.860 I hear you.

01:10:19.580 I can't let him go until this gets sorted.

01:10:23.080 I'm not being racially attacked

01:10:24.760 and letting you get away with it

01:10:26.280 He said this and he said that

01:10:27.660 What did he specifically say?

01:10:29.880 Vic

01:10:30.160 Did he racially say anything to you?

01:10:32.200 Huh?

01:10:32.460 Did he racially say anything to you?

01:10:33.480 He called me a packie as well

01:10:34.120 He called him a packie

01:10:34.860 Okay

01:10:35.820 Is this guy fighting and struggling

01:10:38.440 trying to get away?

01:10:40.580 At the minute now he's lying on the floor

01:10:42.420 So he doesn't have any injuries?

01:10:45.400 He's hurt his face

01:10:46.500 I think he's fallen

01:10:47.400 When you say an injury to his face

01:10:49.260 can you just tell me a bit more about that?

01:10:50.640 So he's hurt his face from his mouth and he's bleeding from the mouth.

01:10:55.760 He's obviously very drunk as well at the minute.

01:10:58.520 Just to confirm, no one's seen any weapons?

01:11:02.080 No, no.

01:11:03.600 Oh, Mark, except the one your brother used to stab poor Henry six times.

01:11:10.600 That guy's name is Gurpreet Digwa.

01:11:12.560 And the police, I mean, the judge made really clear he had absolutely no belief that Gurpreet wasn't complicit.

01:11:23.160 He did not like Gurpreet. It was pretty clear in the trial.

01:11:26.580 And we heard him tell police we've been racially attacked by a white person.

01:11:31.000 He said, we are restraining him now because he has attacked my brother and taken his turban off. 0.99

01:11:36.340 And he was recording some shit on his phone. 0.96

01:11:38.520 He also insisted to the operator that there were no weapons involved, despite both brothers carrying Sikh ceremonial lives, and said, I don't know what weapon they would be, he said. 0.99

01:11:50.500 He added that, quote, the guy has fallen over because he looks like he's drunk.

01:11:55.820 In fact, after Henry died, both brothers were arrested.

01:11:58.920 And it's really unclear to me, to be honest, why the hell Gurpreet gets a pass.

01:12:04.020 Yeah, it's unclear to me, too.

01:12:05.740 Unless, you know, politics.

01:12:06.920 They just made a decision he's not going to be charged.

01:12:08.440 politics are alive and well in their system, just like it is here in America. I don't get it.

01:12:14.000 At a minimum, he was misleading the 9-1-1. At a maximum, he was lying. So you're asking me? I

01:12:23.480 don't know. I think that there was enough evidence there to prosecute him, especially because they

01:12:29.960 take that, you know, race calling stuff, you know, so seriously that it's a crime. Well,

01:12:35.500 But what about falsely suggesting that that's what it was about?

01:12:39.400 Yeah.

01:12:39.700 So I don't get it, Megan.

01:12:41.860 Andrew, I actually look to see, like, did they cut a deal with Gurpreet?

01:12:44.900 You know, sometimes you'll go to the lesser culpable defendant and say, give up your brother and we won't come for you.

01:12:53.380 That's not that's not why he's getting off.

01:12:55.900 No, I mean, have just said we reviewed all the all the facts and we don't see it.

01:13:00.100 I mean, how do you not see it?

01:13:01.740 It's right there.

01:13:02.280 What could he be charged with?

01:13:03.560 Well, it could be charges being an accessory after the fact. There's all kinds of charges they could have brought against them. But, you know, we'd like to think that politics doesn't play a role in charging decisions. But prosecutors are politicians, too. At least here in the U.S., they're politicians. And this is, you know, we have this complicating dynamic in the U.K. They're really a multicultural nation now without assimilation.

01:13:24.740 So you have these conflicting political constituencies where people are on teams and the politicians are very sensitive not to anger a constituency from a political perspective.

01:13:35.680 And that's maybe the concern they were having here.

01:13:38.360 But these charging decisions, when you have a politically charged environment, the politics are going to play a role more often than not.

01:13:45.280 Unfortunately, this is outrageous. 0.95

01:13:48.280 The mother was charged for hiding the knife.

01:13:51.060 This guy was even more complicit than the mother.

01:13:54.740 He's the one who led the police down the wrong path about what had actually happened there, directly leading to Henry's death.

01:14:01.220 If they had shown up having a better understanding that, OK, you can lie, whatever you're going to say with self-defense about why this happened.

01:14:08.520 But they lied about the fact that there had been a stabbing, that there were weapons involved, that Henry was bleeding to death as he called.

01:14:15.540 This is so wrong. The U.K. law enforcement is nothing to be admired.

01:14:20.240 I mean, every single thing that drops in the news about them makes me glad I live in America.

01:14:25.960 Okay, turning the page to Tyra Banks.

01:14:28.540 This is very interesting, Mark.

01:14:30.580 She is suing Netflix for their fake documentary about her show, America's Next Top Model.

01:14:38.220 We've talked on this show with our audience for years about how these documentaries on Netflix are nothing of the sort.

01:14:44.260 You know, I wouldn't go so far as to say mockumentary, but they should be called docudramas.

01:14:48.240 dramas because they take a nugget of truth. A couple of things that we know, there was a show

01:14:53.520 called America's Next Top Model. Tyra Banks was its creator and host. There was drama involving

01:14:58.240 models. And then they dramatize storylines. I've heard this from so many people who have been

01:15:05.200 connected to these products. And I have to say, good for Tyra Banks for doing something about it.

01:15:13.340 You're going to tell me whether you think she's got a legal claim, but I'm glad she's calling 0.88

01:15:16.920 attention to this. She says they manipulated her participation in their documentary on her show.

01:15:24.560 It's a lawsuit accusing them of defamation through deceptive editing. She claims that the 3.5 hour

01:15:32.000 interview she did for the series was heavily manipulated and cut down to only 16 minutes to

01:15:37.220 create a false narrative. She says clips were stripped of context and resembled and reassembled

01:15:42.820 to support a false and defamatory narrative

01:15:45.180 unrelated to what actually was expressed.

01:15:48.020 She contends that the accountability she took

01:15:50.600 for some of the more controversial moments in the show

01:15:53.040 were edited out entirely of the docuseries.

01:15:56.660 She says, look, I didn't limit the approaches

01:15:59.740 or the topics that they could come at me with,

01:16:02.580 but they sold this as a documentary

01:16:07.200 and they made an active effort quite clearly

01:16:09.700 to take out all context in my denials.

01:16:12.440 There are two topics in particular.

01:16:14.020 One, it's about season two

01:16:16.200 and it's contestant Shandi Sullivan

01:16:18.560 allegedly being sexually assaulted while on the show.

01:16:22.280 In the series, Shandi Sullivan recalls the situation

01:16:25.040 when the models were in Italy

01:16:26.380 and male models who had driven the girls

01:16:28.480 around Milan that day came over to their house.

01:16:31.040 She could be seen, Shandi could,

01:16:32.760 in the original episode, drinking wine 0.99

01:16:34.680 and partying in a hot tub

01:16:36.260 before getting in bed with one of the men.

01:16:40.020 Listen to Sot 43 with Shandi Sullivan talking about what happened to her in season one.

01:16:48.120 I remember him on top of me.

01:16:50.460 I was blacked out.

01:16:52.920 No one did anything to stop it.

01:16:56.860 And it all got filmed, all of it.

01:16:59.240 I didn't even feel sex happening.

01:17:02.020 I just knew it was happening.

01:17:04.420 Okay, so that's her in the documentary recounting this terrible thing that happened to her.

01:17:08.800 And she says, I was hammered.

01:17:11.480 I think I had two bottles of wine by myself,

01:17:13.100 but this terrible thing happened to me. 0.98

01:17:14.820 And I was like, holy shit, what happened to me? 0.86

01:17:16.240 According to the lawsuit that Tyra filed, 0.61

01:17:19.160 the series allegedly implies that Banks knowingly allowed

01:17:22.120 this contestant to be sexually assaulted

01:17:24.580 and then did not even remember when asked about it.

01:17:29.080 Okay, this is the Tyra Banks clip at issue

01:17:32.440 from the so-called documentary, Sop 44.

01:17:35.200 A more difficult territory is Shandy.

01:17:39.680 Shandy, okay.

01:17:40.540 You remember the story with Shandy?

01:17:44.480 Okay, so they show her eyes up, like searching.

01:17:49.400 Tyra is not happy.

01:17:52.140 She's not asked about that at all.

01:17:53.880 She's not happy about that at all.

01:17:57.000 She's asked about Shandy a little bit more,

01:18:00.160 and here's more of it in Sot 45.

01:18:02.140 Watch.

01:18:02.360 Remember the story with Shandy?

01:18:05.200 Um, I do remember her story.

01:18:09.940 It's a little difficult for me to talk about production because I'm, that's not my territory.

01:18:15.060 I'm not head of story.

01:18:15.860 That's Ken Mock.

01:18:16.920 But I did become a master editor.

01:18:19.520 It's important for people to know that we didn't put everything on TV. 0.97

01:18:24.020 Okay, so the bottom line is, Mark, she's claiming they made her look pretty heartless.

01:18:27.860 She didn't even remember this girl.

01:18:29.540 She had to search for it.

01:18:30.840 Then she was kind of defensive.

01:18:32.680 And in her lawsuit, Tyra claims that she was not aware that Shandy had classified what happened to her as a sexual assault.

01:18:41.820 She says had she been told that that was her perception, she would have addressed it in that context.

01:18:47.780 She would have explained the seriousness with which she treats such issues.

01:18:51.340 And then she would have stopped the interview.

01:18:53.740 Then she claims that she didn't actually look up and search to remember who Shandy was.

01:19:02.780 She says the implication is devastating and deliberate,

01:19:05.400 that Tyra cannot even remember the story of the woman who was assaulted.

01:19:08.660 But that was false.

01:19:10.160 The full footage, she alleges, is that the interview reveals two things

01:19:14.740 that the producers cut out and didn't want the viewers to see.

01:19:17.480 Before the upward glance, she nods affirmatively and unmistakably

01:19:22.480 and immediately says, I do remember her story.

01:19:26.220 By carving out the nod in the middle of the sequence

01:19:30.360 and cutting off Ms. Banks' comment at the end,

01:19:33.060 the producers ensured that viewers would see only the lie

01:19:36.140 and not the truth.

01:19:38.180 Yeah, that's what they do.

01:19:40.320 I like this lawsuit for a lot of reasons.

01:19:42.560 I think that if what she's alleging can be proven,

01:19:45.280 then she's meet the elements

01:19:46.720 and she deserves to be compensated.

01:19:48.320 They dramatically affected her brand

01:19:51.900 and she should be compensated. But it highlights a bigger problem. We're all watching these

01:19:58.200 documentaries thinking erroneously that they're being factually accurate. The best example

01:20:03.880 recently was the crash. Most of us saw that. They intentionally left out what was tantamount

01:20:10.120 to an admission while she's laying in the hospital asking her, Mom, should we say this?

01:20:15.120 Should we allege this? Had they shown that in that documentary, we all would have said this

01:20:20.140 isn't a close call this girl did what's being alleged so they're doing it it's a big problem

01:20:26.060 and whether she wins and ultimately gets a settlement out of it banks is causing netflix

01:20:31.940 and others to make sure that they get it right and stop being so creative in their editing

01:20:37.180 i have to tell you from a journalistic perspective you would never do this never never any ethical

01:20:45.260 journalist would know that is totally unfair to our witness here to our interviewee you you must

01:20:51.380 you must include that context that she just offered where she says i do remember her

01:20:58.460 and she quickly acknowledges her rather than making it look like she is searching katie

01:21:03.840 couric did this to um a bunch of people on that gun story andrew that's right i do very well

01:21:10.080 try to make it she asked them a question about some gun control issue and then the camera pans

01:21:16.040 to the panel and the panel is just clueless for nine seconds they're not saying anything

01:21:19.960 to suggest they didn't have a response to the question that was not their response that was

01:21:25.000 clipped in from another portion of the video just to make them look hapless the difference there

01:21:29.580 however is that those panelists they knew they were going into a hostile environment so they

01:21:34.180 made their own recording so they could contest it what my understanding here is tyra banks does

01:21:39.380 not in fact have her own recording of this interview. No, because we don't have that to

01:21:44.200 show you. Right. Or we'd be showing it to you right now. So learn a lesson. She shouldn't have

01:21:49.240 trusted them. If you're being interviewed by the media, make your own recording.

01:21:53.200 So she, she did trust them. And honestly, like, I mean, I stand corrected. Obviously a journalist

01:21:58.760 would do this because Katie Couric did it. And some others have not looked at 60 minutes with

01:22:02.120 what it's been doing. However, no ethical journalist would do this. Trust me. I've been

01:22:06.300 enough edit bays over the years where we're making decisions about what stays in and what

01:22:10.060 comes out. In my experience, the producers, the editors, and the reporters on most stories

01:22:16.040 understand there's an ethical obligation not to bastardize your witness, your, you know,

01:22:22.000 interviewee. And even if you can't stand them, I mean, you've got to be fair to them. You've got

01:22:27.120 to make sure their defense or their contacts that they've offered is in there. Here's the second

01:22:31.000 one. It's also interesting. There was a guy in the show named Miss J. Alexander. That's what he

01:22:35.700 went by, Miss J. Alexander, who's obviously a flamboyantly gay man, but he was a major part 0.73

01:22:41.180 of the show. He apparently wound up having a stroke in 2022, and they aired the following

01:22:50.660 exchange with Tyra about Miss J.'s stroke, SOT46. Did Tyra come and visit you? No, not yet.

01:22:59.740 she just sent me um a text the um she wants to come and visit me but um no not yet 0.72

01:23:12.020 okay about tyra that was miss jay there saying she didn't come to visit him 1.00

01:23:17.840 even though this guy had a stroke it's so sad tyra's a bitch that's clearly what they're going 0.98

01:23:21.680 for she alleges the following this she says perhaps the most hurtful example of their deception 1.00

01:23:27.840 involved Ms. J. Alexander, had the producers informed Ms. Banks of that part of the Netflix

01:23:33.900 series and that it would include Ms. J. saying Banks never visited him in the hospital,

01:23:38.780 Banks would have explained that she'd been living in Australia for two and a half years.

01:23:42.480 She would have shared the text revealing that on a New York trip, she did reach out to Ms. J.

01:23:49.340 to say she wanted to see him, but he never responded. She would have shown lengthy text

01:23:53.880 chains that she was a part of where the show's crew, America's Next Top Model crew, and cast 0.97

01:24:00.440 members were all trying to figure out how to locate Miss J soon after his stroke. She would 0.91

01:24:06.260 have shown how hard she tried to get in touch with Miss J personally when she had initially heard

01:24:11.740 the news of his stroke. Then she says, she goes on with an example of Banks reaching out to a

01:24:19.620 family member of Miss J, saying she would have shown the text message that arrived from Miss J's

01:24:26.140 family member, who eventually texted back months later and apologized for not responding to Tyra's

01:24:31.200 texts and multiple calls sooner due to her being focused on getting him better. Banks would have

01:24:38.480 explained that after that contact, she and Miss J spent three years communicating. They spoke

01:24:43.720 live on the phone at least once. They exchanged voice notes, many photos, video messages. They

01:24:48.660 texted numerous times as recently as christmas day 2025 banks and miss j exchanged holiday messages

01:24:55.140 and he updated her about his improved health she replied yes can we speak this week they never did

01:25:01.060 speak just weeks later the netflix series streamed to a worldwide audience megan she agreed she has

01:25:09.120 every reason to be pissed off i'd be livid so would you they're essentially calling you

01:25:15.580 insensitive they're hurting her brand but you keep referring to them as journalists i look at them

01:25:23.880 now as entertainers and they're acting like they're not they're not so if we just now now

01:25:30.860 look at everything through that lens every documentary that you see on any of these

01:25:36.260 streaming platforms look at it as entertainment it's not necessarily factually based and in truth

01:25:42.600 It's just not.

01:25:44.580 I just to be clear, I was not referring to the Netflix documentarians as journalists.

01:25:48.800 I was just saying no ethical journalist.

01:25:51.420 And that's our business is interviewing people and putting them on would do this.

01:25:55.580 So their standards are clearly very different from those that exist in the journalism profession, even if they're not always upheld.

01:26:02.720 Andrew, does she have a claim, a legal claim for defamation?

01:26:06.720 Oh, absolutely.

01:26:07.500 I mean, this this is beyond what's required for actual malice.

01:26:10.360 I mean, mere reckless disregard of the truth would be enough.

01:26:13.380 They're actually fabricating the lie here themselves affirmatively by clipping these things together to represent a narrative that they know is not true.

01:26:21.700 And they're doing it for self-serving purposes, to make money, to get more clicks and views.

01:26:26.780 The only way to check this kind of behavior is to hold these people accountable and hit them in the checkbook for large sums of money.

01:26:33.620 Then maybe the next time someone's doing a documentary like that, there'll be a check on it.

01:26:37.480 But as long as there's only upside and not downside for these people, they'll keep doing this relentlessly.

01:26:43.080 I agree. Don't call it a documentary.

01:26:46.020 Even so, you'd get sued for defamation.

01:26:48.340 Even so, if you're going to take a real life person and bastardize her behavior like this, she's going to sue you.

01:26:53.140 I mean, if people only knew, like the number of sessions we've had with lawyers, you have to bend over backward.

01:27:00.580 We don't always do it perfectly where I'm not perfect either.

01:27:02.760 But we try, try to be fair to the person who's not there to defend themselves in the piece.

01:27:07.580 Or if you have one witness who's going to say all the terrible things about them, like factual stuff, then you go back to that other person or you make sure if that person's filed a legal filing, you have that represented on the air.

01:27:18.140 In some way, you have to make sure you're not misleading your audience.

01:27:22.840 And I just think they're in a lot of trouble, Mark.

01:27:25.040 I predict this gets settled.

01:27:26.180 Yeah, I do, too.

01:27:27.080 And you got to look to motive.

01:27:28.800 If they didn't do what they did to Tyra, what do you have?

01:27:31.900 If you have a documentary about her being a nice person, she's compassionate.

01:27:36.160 She's caring.

01:27:37.400 Ah, ho-hum.

01:27:38.880 Fewer people are going to talk about it.

01:27:40.440 It won't make the top 10.

01:27:41.720 And then they don't make their money.

01:27:43.560 It's about motive.

01:27:45.520 Same with the crash.

01:27:46.520 If we don't make it look like it's a close call and maybe, did she really drive her car

01:27:50.960 into the building?

01:27:51.900 Hmm, let's make it a close call.

01:27:53.240 Let's get everybody talking about it.

01:27:55.020 Yeah.

01:27:55.560 And they have more money than God at Netflix, so they'll be fine, but they should just cut

01:28:01.360 a check.

01:28:01.660 And Tyra was right to go public with this and to do this.

01:28:04.400 Not all lawsuits are about the money.

01:28:06.880 Some are about calling attention to the dishonesty and despicable behavior of people who have a national platform.

01:28:14.780 Guys, thank you.

01:28:15.580 Thanks, Megan.

01:28:16.040 Wonderful to see you, Mark.

01:28:16.880 You as well, Andrew.

01:28:18.020 Happy to be here.

01:28:18.660 To be continued.

01:28:19.560 All right.

01:28:20.220 Up next, Father's Day is this Sunday.

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01:28:23.360 Father's Day is this Sunday.

01:28:24.280 And Alex Berenson used to write for the New York Times, one of the greatest commentators during the whole COVID pandemic with real actual facts that he pushed back on when people were trying to spin the narratives, was censored, sued, won.

01:28:38.340 I mean, this guy, he's heroic in many ways.

01:28:40.900 He's got some thoughts on fatherhood in America, not parenthood.

01:28:45.600 He wants to draw a distinction between parenting and fathering.

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01:29:54.840 MK at urgentcarekit.com slash MK. Father's Day is this Sunday and we have a friend of the show

01:30:05.980 here to talk about his latest book, which focuses on his experience as a dad and advice for all

01:30:11.520 dads. Look, it's not too thick. It's a nice, easy read. It's like a booklet and it's called

01:30:16.980 The Fatherhood Manifesto. It's written by Alex Berenson, former New York Times reporter,

01:30:22.400 the independent voice behind the popular sub stack, Unreported Truths, and the author of

01:30:28.020 this book. The subtitle under Fatherhood Manifesto is a defense of fatherhood and 50 practical tips

01:30:34.480 to be a better, more involved dad. Alex, great to see you. I love the idea of this, and I love

01:30:40.020 the advice in this. So what made you write this? Why did you think this was necessary?

01:30:44.720 I mean, it's amazing to me that it is necessary to write something like this. But as I say in the beginning, this is sort of a two-part booklet. And the first part is a philosophical defense of fatherhood. And again, it's stunning to me that anyone needs to say this.

01:31:02.740 But really, for the last 30, 40 years, I mean, you can almost trace it back maybe to the Simpsons, married with children.

01:31:10.120 We've engaged culturally, you know, on the left, but I would say even more broadly than that, in a devaluation of fatherhood, of traditional masculinity, of, you know, of structured parenting.

01:31:23.400 and we've really we've really listen moms are you know the center of a household but we have

01:31:30.540 feminized parenting i think in a way that leaves almost no room for for fathers and so this what

01:31:36.040 i have three kids and i think at some point i i was like where is there something positive that

01:31:42.960 i'm seeing in the culture about being a dad and i didn't see anything and i thought you know what

01:31:47.740 i should write this yes honestly when i grew up we watched little house in the prairie and the

01:31:54.440 waltons non-stop and while those were you know they're kind of cute and a little hokey by now

01:31:59.520 but they they had strong father figures you know charles even something with the cosby show right

01:32:04.260 i mean from the 80s right yeah but that that's been gone really since then so why why do you say

01:32:12.320 that fatherhood has been feminized well so i think that you know so this is a broader issue

01:32:17.540 And one of the things about the Fatherhood Manifesto is the tips. Some of them are really specifically, I think, for dads, but some of them can apply to fathers and mothers. And the longest tip in the whole book is reject gentle parenting. Right. And so gentle parenting is this idea essentially that parents and children are completely equal and that, you know, you can never just tell your kids what to do.

01:32:39.360 You can never just say, hey, you're going to clean up your room. I'm not telling you why you have to do this. I'm not negotiating with you about this. I'm not sparing your feelings about this. You are just going to do this. And it's because I say so, because I'm the dad, because I work hard to, you know, make money for this family and to provide for this family and to protect you. And that's good enough. That's enough.

01:33:04.780 And, you know, mothers, mothers work hard and provide as well. But, you know, I think that we we have an expectation sometimes that mothers will be more nurturing, more gentle. And, you know, that's a different role. But when we take away the authority role that that I think that a father should have, we we undercut him and give him sort of nothing to do.

01:33:28.320 he then just becomes a lesser mom but so the gentle parenting to me that applies to both

01:33:33.660 mothers and fathers but it's even more important to say no to that if you're a dad like we all

01:33:40.080 have our moments of like just do it just do it but you're saying i'm saying that's okay yeah it's

01:33:46.060 okay i'm saying there's a chain of command in fact it's better than the alternative of explaining

01:33:50.260 everything and getting buy-in and negotiating it's like do it that's now that's right life is not

01:33:57.640 just one exercise in self-actualization and sometimes to be successful in the world you

01:34:03.500 have to do things you don't want to do you don't like to do everybody has responsibilities that

01:34:10.080 they just have to do and that's true you know that's that's a large part of what school you

01:34:14.620 know is or should be because if you're i mean look obviously you need to learn you know a lot

01:34:20.620 of facts you need to learn how to think you also need to learn how to behave and sometimes just to

01:34:24.880 take instruction and orders and that that is an important part of parenting and it's certainly an

01:34:31.120 important part of being a dad very good point you write that um i believe fatherhood is a

01:34:37.960 fundamentally conservative act and i believe our cultural unwillingness to admit that has harmed

01:34:44.840 our kids especially our boys what do you mean by the use of the conservative there so conservative

01:34:49.760 Not in a political sense, in a cultural sense, in what we've just been talking about, in a sense of there is an order in a family.

01:35:01.440 And when the order is, you know what, we're all just equals here and we're going to have negotiations and discussions about everything, that order breaks down.

01:35:12.680 And that isn't good for kids. It's not good for boys in particular.

01:35:19.760 But it's not good for either side.

01:35:21.440 And I do think that when, by undercutting sort of traditional masculinity, there's been

01:35:27.280 a lot of talk in the last few years about, you know, sort of this hyper-masculine influencers

01:35:35.380 who are out there, you know, essentially treating women like trash, encouraging, you know, boys 0.99

01:35:40.380 and young men to treat women like trash. 1.00

01:35:42.900 That's a terrible thing. 1.00

01:35:44.800 That shouldn't be happening.

01:35:46.000 I think you can draw a pretty clear line, though, from undercutting, you know, men who just who just want a parent who just want to be able to say, I, I am the dad here. And, and the rise of those of those hyper masculine or, you know, they're almost parodic, right? They're almost parodies of men, as I say, in the fatherhood manifesto.

01:36:08.000 you reveal in the book that you are relatively recently divorced and that you have custody of

01:36:16.660 your kids and um you're a very active father obviously you've got custody of them but you

01:36:22.380 also have thoughts on fighting with your spouse in the children's presence so talk to us as a

01:36:28.420 divorced dad about that because if you're recently divorced that must have been a challenge if you

01:36:34.060 don't want to fight in front of the children you're heading to divorce is going to be some

01:36:37.500 arguments yes and so by the way my my ex-wife is is also you know she's very involved with our kids

01:36:42.340 and uh and um so i don't want to make it sound like she is not but uh and and and i don't go

01:36:49.820 into any details in the in the book about my divorce i don't think that's really appropriate

01:36:55.720 i don't think it's really the and it's certainly not the point of the book but what i will say is

01:37:00.920 and what i do say in the book is you shouldn't fight in front of your kids and fighting in front

01:37:05.840 of your kids is a really bad sign for your marriage. And you really should do everything

01:37:10.420 you can to avoid doing that. And if, and the number one thing is you shouldn't fight about

01:37:16.400 your kids in front of your kids because that, you know, that first of all, it encourages in some

01:37:22.120 cases, you know, older children to triangulate, to try to start fights so they can get what they

01:37:27.620 want. And it's very unstable. And it's, you know, if you can't figure that out, you have to seriously

01:37:34.240 think about getting divorced, I think. And so as I say in the book, I'm not the person to ask for

01:37:39.700 marital advice. I'm not pretending to be that person. The reason I even mention my status is

01:37:46.640 I do think, you know, I think obviously if I'm writing about fatherhood, people are going to

01:37:50.440 wonder, you know, what my relationship with my wife, or in this case, my ex-wife might be.

01:37:56.100 And also because I have had a lot of time, you know, alone with my kids in the last several

01:38:02.120 years i think it's brought some of the stuff up for me and and by the way i don't think that you

01:38:07.940 should just tell your kids what to do all the time i don't think you should order them around

01:38:11.640 all the time what i think is that if you have earned respect as a father um you you will have

01:38:19.740 a relationship with your kids that's good that can include them sometimes making fun of you

01:38:25.040 you know like but but ultimately they respect you and it's and you can talk about stuff and

01:38:31.820 you can make decisions together sometimes, but in the end, your word goes. This is an infantry

01:38:38.320 company, and you're the captain. And so you can get advice from your first sergeant and think

01:38:45.500 about things, but in the end, someone has to be responsible, and that someone is the father.

01:38:51.260 Yeah. Doug and I live by these same principles, and we don't fight often at all, honestly. I feel

01:38:59.400 like once a year, if that, we just, we don't have a lot of disagreements because we address

01:39:04.020 everything every day with each other. But we did have one fight one time that our youngest heard,

01:39:09.740 which I didn't actually know that he heard. And he cried after. It was so sad. It was such a good

01:39:15.440 reminder. Like, oh my God, never do that. Like, make sure if you're having an argument,

01:39:19.800 your kids are not there. And I will tell you, I've been vigilant about that. We don't fight a lot,

01:39:24.200 but if we ever, like if Doug ever does anything that even annoys me in front of the kids,

01:39:28.520 especially if it's about the kids, I hold my tongue until we can get into private to say,

01:39:34.780 you know, like, don't do that in front of them or don't say that in front of them.

01:39:37.180 And there's just marriage. Of course, you're going to have little, you know, things where

01:39:39.700 you're like, what'd you do that for? What'd you say that for? But it's, they have enough to worry

01:39:43.820 about. They definitely don't want to have to worry about mom and dad fighting, possibly divorcing,

01:39:48.300 because that's where a kid's mind goes every time they see a fight. And you need to be a united front

01:39:52.480 about them too. If they've done something like, and you and your spouse disagree with how to

01:39:57.860 handle it. That needs to happen behind closed doors and not in front of the child. I agree with

01:40:01.160 you wholeheartedly. But to your point about I'm not airing all of my like disagreements with my

01:40:09.240 now ex-wife in this book, unlike Strangers by Belle Burden, which has been on the best selling 1.00

01:40:15.220 list now for all she does is like completely trash her husband and throw their family under the bus. 1.00

01:40:21.080 Yes. I think, look, there's a broader issue about the way, again, this cultural establishment that

01:40:28.760 devalues men and masculinity. I was thinking about strangers. I actually wrote something

01:40:33.240 on my sub stack about strangers and about, imagine. Oh, wait a minute. Let me just interrupt

01:40:37.960 you. Forgive me for the interruption. This is so rude, but I just found out we only have one minute

01:40:41.600 to 20 left in this hour. We have to take a break. And I want to hear this very badly uninterrupted.

01:40:46.620 So I'm going to take a quick break. I'm going to come back and we're going to start on your

01:40:49.860 thoughts on strangers and then keep going through the book, which is called The Fatherhood Manifesto.

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01:43:03.280 We're back now with Alex Berenson. He is the author of The Fatherhood Manifesto. This is what it looks like. It's nice and thin. You can read it quickly. And it's a snappy read with really good reminders of what sane parenting or fathering looks like.

01:43:19.240 All right. Before we took a break, we were talking about the book Strangers, which is by Bell Burden.

01:43:24.400 It's about her divorce and her allegedly terrible husband and how he left her with no money to pay the bills,

01:43:29.180 even though we would later find out in the papers that she's got a trust fund worth something like sixty three million dollars.

01:43:35.240 So she's not exactly wondering where her next meal is coming from.

01:43:39.080 But in this book, I get it. She's pissed. The husband cheated and left her. It's not great. 0.54

01:43:44.040 She completely trashes the husband who remains the father of her three children, Alex. 0.93

01:43:48.260 Yes. And I don't think that's a good idea, as we were talking about before. Again, the fatherhood manifesto is not the marriage manifesto. I'm not the person to ask how to have a great marriage. But I did read Strangers. I've read some divorce books in the last few years. Obviously, it's something that's of personal interest to me.

01:44:05.780 And one thing I will say is that it's basically impossible for anybody outside the two people involved in divorce to really know what's happening, to really know what the dynamics are, to really know, you know, who's at fault.

01:44:20.580 And often there's no one person at fault.

01:44:22.260 Both people are at fault.

01:44:23.740 And, you know, there's a narrative I could tell you about my divorce in which I'm absolutely the saint and the wrong party.

01:44:30.600 And there's a narrative I could tell you about my divorce where I'm a really bad guy.

01:44:33.820 And and that's true, I think, of most divorces. What's interesting to me isn't that Bell Burden isn't trying to get is trying to get revenge on her husband.

01:44:42.560 That's you know what? She's he cheated on her. She's upset. You know, she's trashing the father of her kids. 1.00

01:44:50.360 She shouldn't do that. But it's an understandable human impulse. 0.69

01:44:53.340 What's interesting to me is that culturally as a society, once the Wall Street Journal busted her on what was essentially, you know, I won't say lie, but but lie about how much money she had and the risk of exaggeration, exaggeration, fib, you know, falsehood about about the risk of her losing her houses, houses, right?

01:45:17.820 a 12 million dollar loft in tribeca and a 10 million dollar mansion and martha's vineyard 1.00

01:45:22.840 once that happened the the the feminist culture industry jumped to her defense and said well you 1.00

01:45:29.900 know he's a bad guy he cheated on her he didn't want to see the kids okay let's let's say all

01:45:36.540 that's true i don't know it's true you don't know it's true all the people saying you don't know

01:45:40.340 and he totally denies the bit about not wanting to see his children and not taking care of his

01:45:44.420 kids. That's right. He very angry. He hasn't argued about the money stuff because he doesn't

01:45:48.720 he clearly doesn't want to talk that much about that. But he but he has said that. OK, let's say

01:45:54.860 that's true. I want you to realize that there is an industry now of women's memoirs, women's

01:46:01.500 divorce memoirs that essentially say, go follow your bliss, go get divorced, go hurt your, you

01:46:07.480 know, hurt your family if necessary, if you are tired and frustrated with your marriage. Now,

01:46:12.620 i don't think that's right he pray love he pray he pray love was the first but there have been

01:46:16.480 many of these books since then okay when i say it's an industry i'm not exaggerating and those

01:46:22.000 women are trashing this guy uh you know henry davis's real name um you know in strangers well

01:46:29.040 what did henry davis do essentially he followed his bliss he decided he was going to have an affair

01:46:33.700 he was going to leave his wife i don't think that's right i'm not in favor of that i'm certainly

01:46:38.380 not in favor of the way he you know he he didn't try to get custody of the kids obviously i think

01:46:43.780 parent father should be very much a part of their kids lives but he had his own reasons for that

01:46:48.480 and this to me is the cultural double standard right this is why i had to write the fatherhood

01:46:53.480 manifesto and and you're right like it's a it's a pretty short book a lot of the advice i think if

01:46:58.800 you're a reasonably good parent is not going to strike you as that out there i mean i think there

01:47:03.060 are a couple things i write that are actually going to be surprising even to even to pretty

01:47:06.940 involved parents but what's revolutionary the reason the reason that this book is revolutionary

01:47:11.840 is that i had to write it at all and that's because you know we do we have new york magazine

01:47:17.920 we have an entire like book industry now uh we you know and you know and sort of women's talk

01:47:24.680 shows and stuff that is devoted really to running men down and to and to and to running traditional

01:47:30.920 masculinity down and it's stunning to me and i then you turn around and say well well you know

01:47:36.320 Andrew Tate's out there saying terrible things and encouraging young men to do terrible things.

01:47:40.620 Yeah, that's, you know, that's the boomerang. That's what happened. Because for a generation,

01:47:45.960 you've given all this bad advice to, you know, to women, and you've encouraged them to, you know,

01:47:53.720 devalue masculinity. Yes, I completely agree. I don't like the Bell Burden example at all. Like, 1.00

01:48:01.000 they, Judge Judy used to say, you have to love your spouse, or you have to love your children

01:48:05.520 more than you hate your spouse, your ex.

01:48:08.160 That's right.

01:48:08.860 And I think that's exactly right.

01:48:10.220 No matter how angry you are in your divorce situation,

01:48:12.500 you've been cheated on all the stuff,

01:48:14.540 like you're hurting your children.

01:48:16.080 The more you trash your spouse,

01:48:17.200 who your children love, the worse off they are.

01:48:20.520 Now, some children are very angry at the other spouse too 0.96

01:48:24.460 because he abandons or he's just a prick or she's awful. 0.77

01:48:28.140 The women can abandon too. 0.97

01:48:30.200 That's a different story, but in any event, very good. 0.65

01:48:32.680 And I do think there's good advice in here.

01:48:34.440 And like I said, good reminders. It's just like good reminders. Like you strike a good balance in your advice about like, look, have fun. You know, you're not all disciplinarian as a dad, but also you are a disciplinarian and, and reminding like simple things. The one that I highlighted here, there, there's a bunch I highlighted, but I love, first of all, play games. And second of all, once your kids are past seven, do not let them beat you when you are playing said game.

01:48:58.300 That's right. That's right. Because frankly, you know, I mean, my my son, who's, you know,

01:49:04.140 as I've disclosed in the book, dislocated my thumb last year because he's such a good soccer

01:49:09.900 player. That kid's 10. He's beating me for real, you know, and stuff now. And and, you know,

01:49:16.040 my daughter, my older daughter's 13. She's very smart. She, you know, you know, she she can she

01:49:21.340 can beat me for real at stuff, too. And so like they're going to beat you for real pretty soon 0.97

01:49:25.920 anyway. So, you know, do not, do not go easy on them. I really do think that this idea that like,

01:49:32.480 you know, kids should, you know, you should, you should make sure your kids never have a bad day.

01:49:36.760 That's not true because your kids are going to have bad days in life and they need to be able

01:49:43.000 to deal with those things and be resilient. And, you know, this idea also, you know, one of the

01:49:48.060 bits of advice in there is really don't therapize your kids. Don't send them to therapy. I mean,

01:49:52.860 And look, if if something truly terrible happens to them, which fortunately is rare in the United States, you know, then maybe they need to go to therapy to deal with that.

01:50:02.900 But but and check this, check the therapist out that that, too.

01:50:07.220 Absolutely. But like, you know, for normal sort of, oh, you know what?

01:50:11.480 Like, I'm depressed. My friends don't like me. I'm at a new school and things are tough.

01:50:15.360 Like like at most, a school counselor, a decent school counselor can deal with that stuff.

01:50:21.180 And and going to therapy encourages your child to focus on her problems in a way that I think is not productive.

01:50:29.380 And I think I think the fact that, you know, this is the most therapized generation we've ever had of kids.

01:50:35.460 And they also have the highest rate of mental health problems. Right. Young, white, American, not just white, but young, millennial American women have tremendous rates of depression and anxiety.

01:50:46.260 And I don't think that's like, I think that's essentially a feature and not a bug of therapy, unfortunately.

01:50:54.540 The not letting them lose, I would couple, I mean, the do let them lose past age seven.

01:51:01.440 Do let them lose.

01:51:01.940 I would add an addendum, which is if they cry when they lose all the time, they need to lose more.

01:51:09.740 And you do have to tell them, stop crying.

01:51:13.680 That's right.

01:51:14.080 you're not allowed to cry because you lose shoots and ladders it's just it's a no that's right

01:51:18.360 that's right even if it's a struggle for them you have to insist that they get through it because

01:51:23.220 you can't have a child who's crying every time he or she loses you know uh this is not a piece

01:51:27.980 of advice that i endorse okay but this was this was something that my mother told me my grandmother

01:51:33.420 uh said to her okay and this is a long time you know this is like in the this is in the 50s okay

01:51:38.500 But she would say to her, you know, if I don't break you, the world will.

01:51:44.760 OK, so I don't think you should try to break your kids.

01:51:47.220 But I do think you should be aware that the world may try to break your kids and you have

01:51:53.140 to toughen them up and you can't snowplow for them and solve all their problems.

01:51:58.480 And and so and, you know, one of the stories I tell, you know, this is near the near the

01:52:02.620 end, one of the last tips is, you know, fight your fears and let your kids do stuff on their own,

01:52:09.220 right? And we've all been trained, oh, you know what, if you leave your child for three minutes

01:52:13.720 in the mall, you know, they'll disappear and you'll never see them again. And, you know,

01:52:18.900 that's just not true, okay? I mean, unfortunately, again, there can be a lightning strike where

01:52:24.220 one in a trillion times that happens, but mostly it doesn't happen. And you've got to sort of

01:52:30.480 trust the world and encourage your kids to trust the world a little bit. Now, that doesn't mean

01:52:36.180 that you should go off for hours without a seven-year-old or whatever. We're not talking

01:52:41.580 about a two-year-old either. That's right. We're not talking about a two-year-old. But I say in

01:52:45.140 the book, I let my six-year-old go to a movie by herself in a mall. And this was, even for me,

01:52:51.600 this was kind of a scary thing to do. But I knew exactly where she was. I knew exactly how many

01:52:56.880 people were in there and i wanted her to feel like you know what i can do this on my own and

01:53:02.400 she did it and of course you know it was actually much more tense for me than just sitting there

01:53:06.740 with her would have been but uh but she was fine and that and i think she got something out of that

01:53:12.160 i think she got a little bit of self-reliance out of that and i think you know over time you build

01:53:17.580 that muscle that self-reliance that that world you know the world's a tough place sometimes but

01:53:22.560 i can handle it that's what you want your kids to think and that's and look some of this advice is

01:53:28.420 not just for dads right this is obviously is for mothers too but i can't tell you even letting my

01:53:33.960 kids walk you know uh you know on our very very safe street in you know in in upstate new york i

01:53:41.860 hear sometimes from the neighbors or i've heard from our neighbors it's it's crazy to me the amount

01:53:47.240 of, you know, sort of the, the ultra low risk tolerance that modern parents have. You've got

01:53:52.600 it. You've got to fight that. It's such a disservice. Yes. Yes. Yes. Because the other

01:53:56.700 thing is, so I like, I mean, you talk about leading by example. I don't, I don't know it.

01:54:01.780 I don't know if like courageous behavior is passed down exactly. I, it's good for them to

01:54:08.920 see an example of courage, but I, I actually happen to think that like to become more courageous,

01:54:13.100 you just need to do small, courageous acts in your own life. Your child needs to do small acts

01:54:17.700 of courage, and that'll be the building block to the big act of courage when they need it.

01:54:21.660 But I think the opposite is true. Anxiety and fear are 100% contagious. If you are riddled with that

01:54:30.920 as a mother or a father, you are 100% going to pass that to your child. And so you have to at

01:54:37.760 least act like you're not you've got to fake it how many times have you seen that yes it's

01:54:44.760 absolutely true neurotic parents get you know build anxiety in their children you know this

01:54:49.500 is another piece of advice and this one i you know this one i would go to the mat for for every

01:54:55.020 parent and you see this on the left okay oh i'm so scared of climate change and what the world's

01:55:01.080 going to look like in 50 years or 100 years those parents even if they believe that and you know

01:55:06.720 there's like zero evidence that we're anything but richer than we've ever been as a, you know,

01:55:10.880 as a society and a species. Like, even if they believe that, don't tell your kids that. Don't

01:55:15.680 tell your six-year-old that the world's a terrible place and it's going to get worse. Don't tell your

01:55:20.180 12-year-old that, you know, like you can't have a car because we're all gonna, you know, die in a

01:55:25.720 flood one day. Like, don't do that. You are just making your kids neurotic and frightened. It is

01:55:31.840 terrible advice. And, and, and, you know, and I do, you know, and I think, again, I don't think

01:55:36.920 as a dad, you should, you know, you shouldn't fight with your, your, your wife, but this is

01:55:42.280 something where you should communicate to your, to your spouse. I don't think we should be doing

01:55:47.820 this to our kids. Don't do it in earshot of your kids, but, but make sure, you know, if you're the

01:55:53.300 man in the house that, that your, that your wife is not doing this. This reminds me, I just had my

01:56:00.600 team send it to me um bill weir who's a reporter at cnn wrote this letter to his son um hold on

01:56:11.380 steve sent me the highlight to his infant son about the earth that he will inherit

01:56:17.880 here's a highlight i'm sorry i'm sorry we broke the ski the sea and the sky

01:56:28.040 and shortened the wings of the nightingale.

01:56:31.360 I'm sorry that the Great Barrier Reef is no longer great,

01:56:35.300 that we value Amazon much more than the Amazon,

01:56:38.880 and that the waterfront neighborhood where you are growing up

01:56:41.800 could be condemned by rising seas before you're old enough to apply for a mortgage.

01:56:46.160 Oh, my God. 0.99

01:56:46.880 Shut up and watch the Knicks with your kid, okay? 1.00

01:56:49.440 Please. 1.00

01:56:49.960 I mean, be a man.

01:56:51.780 Just be a man.

01:56:53.700 I can't believe I have to say this.

01:56:55.880 And by the way, as I say in the Fatherhood Manifesto, and I'm embarrassed about this,

01:57:01.260 I'm not the guy who knows how to fix a car engine or do plumbing. 0.61

01:57:06.720 I'm kind of more useless, much more useless than I would like to be on that stuff. 0.65

01:57:11.840 The stuff where you just need a muscle and a shovel, that I can do. 0.97

01:57:15.680 But the actual blue-collar work, I can't do that.

01:57:21.120 And it's embarrassing to me.

01:57:22.380 But at least I'm not this guy scaring his infant about the nightingale.

01:57:27.560 Stop it.

01:57:31.300 I remember during COVID, Doug and I were still living in our New York apartment.

01:57:34.760 And he was talking about how he was having this existential crisis where he's like, it just occurred to me that like, if we really became this, you know, fight for yourselves society, I don't know how to do anything.

01:57:47.360 I don't know.

01:57:47.700 How does the air conditioner work?

01:57:48.800 I have no idea.

01:57:49.520 if I had to like build a refrigerator my life depended on I have no idea how to do it and I

01:57:53.900 made a joke that our super to our apartment was starting to look a lot hotter to me

01:57:58.200 you know it is embarrassing though and I should be embarrassed and and you know I mean am I gonna

01:58:07.120 fix it you know I'm already I'm already you know a middle-aged man I don't know if I can learn how

01:58:11.840 to do this stuff but talking to you makes me want to at least like take a couple basic you know home

01:58:17.760 maintenance courses yes oh well doug had his friend had a great idea which is the guys out

01:58:25.480 there who know how to do all this stuff should somebody should open and operate something called

01:58:30.140 handy camp and a bunch of guys guys can go for like a long weekend maybe out in the wilderness

01:58:37.040 and you guys out there who know how to do all that very helpful stuff with your hands

01:58:41.520 can teach the alexes and the dugs of the world how to do some basic things i would i would pray

01:58:48.280 for that that would be a lot better than like a therapy camp or like you know a teach you how to

01:58:53.320 be a man camp because that's just teaching how to do it without like bs crawling through mud or

01:58:58.640 whatever like then i'd come back with some skills that is a great idea somebody needs to do that

01:59:03.220 right i feel like somebody does need to do that if you want just send us an email to megan at

01:59:08.180 MeganKelley.com, if you would like us to help you start it, we'll be your first customers. We've got

01:59:12.100 Alex, we've got Doug. I'm sure there's a lot of guys out there. Steve Krakauer says he'll go.

01:59:17.640 Just like the basics. And I am so clueless, I don't even know what the basics are. You,

01:59:22.840 the runners of handicap, will have to come up with the agenda of what real men must know how 0.96

01:59:27.500 to do with their hands. You're going to make a fortune. Okay. Be positive. You are the most 0.73

01:59:37.220 powerful influence in your kids' lives. If you are weak and scared and negative, they will be

01:59:43.620 too. If you are positive and resilient, they will be too. And then you write, what I do not do is

01:59:49.180 discuss my feelings about it with them. Their problems are my problems. The reverse is not true.

01:59:56.700 That's right.

01:59:57.360 Thank you.

01:59:57.920 That's right.

01:59:58.720 Yes. That's what I mean. It's such a good reminder. That's exactly right. They're not

02:00:01.980 there to help us with anything going on in our lives.

02:00:04.360 No. And they're not our best friends and they're not, you know, they're not our gossip buddies. They're children. Right. And again, the relationship, you know, it's not quite like a boss to an employee. Obviously, you know, like you love your kids. You want the best for your kids. You root for your kids.

02:00:21.860 Like, but, but they are not your equals, you know, certainly not, you know, as they're, as they're, you know, in their younger years. And, and you can't expect them, you know, it may feel good to vent to them, but it's not good for them. And it's not good for your relationship.

02:00:40.160 yeah i agree and you talk about we touched on it a bit before but like managing your anger with

02:00:47.500 your children so so yeah that's an important one i mean it is yeah i think it's and this is again

02:00:53.260 i really disagree with the gentle parenting uh part of this view on this i think it's okay to

02:00:58.280 get angry with your kids and i think i think it's okay to actually get quite angry with your kids

02:01:03.560 if there's circumstances that deserve it you know you know most likely if they've done something

02:01:09.000 that could harm themselves or harm another kid. If they've, you know, if they've, if they've really

02:01:13.720 behaved badly, you know, that, that there, there's things that are over the line. What I say is it's

02:01:20.700 okay to be angry and you want your children to respect you and to fear your anger, not to fear

02:01:26.980 you, but to fear your anger and not to want to do things to make you angry. What's not okay. And I

02:01:33.080 see this with people I know is to be constantly irritable with your children, to be sort of have

02:01:38.520 this low grade you're annoying to me I don't you know like I don't like the way you did x or y

02:01:44.960 that are routine things because that's a sign that your children are behaving you know in a way that

02:01:51.180 that you don't like and you have to figure out is that because I just don't like this and I need to

02:01:57.420 sort of get over it or is it because they're actually doing something wrong that I need to

02:02:01.460 mold and change. So irritability to me is what you shouldn't be. But it's okay to be angry with

02:02:10.420 your kids. And it's okay to punish your kids. It's okay to say, and as I also say in this,

02:02:15.280 if you're going to punish your kids, you shouldn't punish them frequently, but you should punish them

02:02:19.220 in ways that actually matter to them. And that's part of being involved enough to know what

02:02:25.300 actually matters to your kids, right? So the play date with one kid might not really matter,

02:02:31.100 but the play date with another kid who's, you know, who's the best friend or the one they've

02:02:35.040 really been looking forward to. If you threaten to take that away and you do take that away,

02:02:39.480 that's going to sting them a little bit. And you want, if you're going to punish them,

02:02:43.760 you want it to sting a little bit for them. You don't, you do. And if you say you're going to do

02:02:50.340 something, if you say, if you threaten a punishment, if some behavior continues and it continues,

02:02:54.840 you have to follow through and it's not to hurt them. It's to teach them that actions do have

02:03:00.540 consequences and that they can't just kind of shock and jive their way out of a problem you

02:03:06.120 know by being cute or smiling or crying or whatever it is you you told them hey don't do this you gave

02:03:12.080 them a warning they continued it now the punishment is due that's part of learning you know the again

02:03:19.240 the the world sometimes is just going to make me do things i don't want to do

02:03:23.200 i would say um i'm just thinking about positivity and negativity and i'm yesterday on the show we

02:03:30.260 had a brief discussion about Michelle Obama and how everything she says about Barack Obama is

02:03:34.580 negative. I mean, literally, but the truth is everything she says about her daughters is

02:03:38.140 negative too. And it does occur to me as a mother, how damaging that is. You know,

02:03:44.560 you could be a public figure saying it on TV, very damaging, equally damaging is just being

02:03:51.380 not a public figure and saying it to them or in with an earshot of them where they only hear

02:03:57.440 negative messages from you about your feelings about them well see i didn't i i guess i don't

02:04:05.160 pay enough attention to michelle obama to know that she does that that that seems so trust me

02:04:09.920 so pointless like what is the point of having children if you're gonna run them down constantly

02:04:15.260 and feel negative about them you should be rooting for your kids right like you're you are one she

02:04:21.160 is rooting for them to get out i mean really you're you're one unit you're it's you against

02:04:28.200 the world fundamentally it's your family is you know and and this is something else i say and i

02:04:34.180 think i even should have said it more in in in the manifesto is that is that you know you're

02:04:39.300 you can have disagreements internally but when you face the world you face it as a team and and

02:04:46.480 that goes for siblings too right siblings are not to run each other down you can and they and they

02:04:51.820 can fight privately and then you know they they're not to bully each other privately they can fight

02:04:56.760 but when it's time to face the world you face it as a team totally it's the godfather don't ever

02:05:04.120 take sides against the family it's just true that that's written in blood you don't side against

02:05:11.180 your siblings or the family publicly. That's a sin. On the subject of sin, this is the last one,

02:05:19.560 God, faith, you have very good advice on this, if you believe or if you don't. Tell us.

02:05:25.200 So yes, my advice is, if you do believe, you should definitely tell your children that,

02:05:30.760 get them involved in whatever your religious tradition is. Obviously, in the United States,

02:05:36.020 there's not a lot of talk about loss of community. Churches and synagogues and mosques are all really

02:05:41.060 good places to find community. If you don't believe, do not start telling your kids,

02:05:47.960 your young children, I would say your preteen children, that you're an atheist. Do not reveal

02:05:55.840 your views on God. And in general, I don't think you should lie to your kids. I don't think this

02:06:00.120 is lying. I think this is just not undercutting their feelings about little kids. They want to

02:06:07.720 know about the world where they came from all the questions that you know bedevil us you know for our

02:06:13.840 whole lives that we don't have we don't have you know answers do we have faith about do not

02:06:19.300 undercut their faith let them believe in god um let them believe in sort of the as i say the

02:06:26.520 ultimate father they you know the ultimate creator and and you know as they get older

02:06:31.440 they'll have reasonable questions and you can answer them but when they're young if you're not

02:06:35.960 a believer, don't tell them that. If you are a believer, encourage them. Yes, I love that. That's

02:06:42.300 excellent advice. As the whole book is, again, it's called The Fatherhood Manifesto. It's by

02:06:47.520 our pal Alex Berenson, who has been such a light of a guiding light to us in some very difficult

02:06:53.380 times. I mean, we were talking back in 2020, Alex, when we were at the height of all the craziness,

02:06:59.260 and there as here, you saw through the nonsense. Well, thank you. I mean, and the manifesto,

02:07:03.860 you know, I, people, some people may remember what the COVID book booklets look like. It's

02:07:08.480 sort of the exact same design. It's very simple. It's just meant to be, Hey, you can read this

02:07:13.580 quickly and hopefully you get something out of it. Hopefully you get some kind of truth that the,

02:07:18.580 that the, that the legacy media is not giving you. Can they get it on Amazon? You can get it

02:07:24.160 on Amazon. Uh, you can get it, uh, on Kindle there. I, I taped it. I actually think the audible is a

02:07:30.500 great you know it's about an hour um unfortunately audible has not it's still in the audible review

02:07:36.200 process hopefully by the time this interview runs hopefully they're very close to approving it but

02:07:41.020 it has not been approved yet but yes you can get it on amazon all right so here's my recommendation

02:07:46.760 go get the fatherhood manifesto by alex berenson give it to dad it's like not like uh you need

02:07:53.500 to do better it's just this is kind of a fun thing from a daughter or a son to a dad or a spouse uh

02:07:58.980 to a dad, to a husband. And while you're there, I'm going to make a pitch for Doug's book too.

02:08:03.440 It's called the lost empire of Emmanuel Nobel. And the reason I'm making this pitch is because

02:08:07.700 Apple books just picked my husband, Doug Brunt's book, uh, the lost empire of Emmanuel Nobel as a

02:08:13.800 best of the year so far book. Yeah. So Amazon did, and now Apple did. He's had uniformly good

02:08:22.400 reviews, not, not one negative review. It's doing so well. So it's called the lost empire of Emmanuel

02:08:27.840 Nobel. And it's a great story. It's a thriller. It's about the rise of this guy named Emmanuel

02:08:32.520 Nobel in Russia and the rise of this other guy named Joseph Stalin. And that latter guy is the

02:08:38.460 reason most people don't know who that former guy is. You're making me want to get this book.

02:08:42.940 This is the story of both men. I think you'll really enjoy it. I think it's actually a great

02:08:46.900 Father's Day gift. All right. Well, Megan, I will, since, you know, I will tell my kids,

02:08:51.760 they've got to get it for me yes or it can be a gift from you to you um and anyway happy father's

02:09:00.020 day in advance alex it's wonderful to see you thank you and um you know i i i can only say i

02:09:05.080 wish i had the marriage that you and doug seem to have oh you're so sweet thank you well it's

02:09:10.260 my second marriage so i live and learn thanks megan okay all the best hey everyone it's me

02:09:18.200 megan kelly i've got some exciting news i now have my very own channel on sirius xm it's called

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02:09:48.200 so let's talk about your money for a minute with the conflict in the middle east americans have

02:09:55.940 been feeling the effect at the gas pump and in their grocery bills gold has been in a wild ride

02:10:02.040 and we talk about it a lot on this show just because we have birch gold as one of our main

02:10:05.440 advertisers so who better to talk to about what role gold should play in our financial futures

02:10:12.180 and what's happening in this economic whirlwind, then my next guest, Philip Patrick, is a precious

02:10:18.380 metals specialist with Birch Gold Group and a paid spokesman for Birch Gold, which, as I mentioned,

02:10:23.880 is also a sponsor of this show. Philip, welcome to the program. Thank you so much for having me.

02:10:29.360 Of course. So I think people are starting to feel like, you know, maybe a little better now that it

02:10:34.500 looks like this conflict is coming to a close. But that doesn't mean that the economic hangover

02:10:40.840 is going to end immediately.

02:10:43.400 So just give us your take on the state of the economy right now

02:10:47.720 in the wake of this war potentially wrapping up.

02:10:50.020 Yeah, look, it's unquestionably good news that President Trump

02:10:53.680 appears to have secured a ceasefire framework

02:10:56.820 and obviously the reopening of the Straits of Hormuz.

02:10:59.620 And the markets have responded exactly as we would have expected.

02:11:03.220 Oil prices have fallen, stocks have rallied,

02:11:05.840 and investors immediately priced out a significant amount of the geopolitical risk.

02:11:11.360 However, as you cautiously phrased the question,

02:11:15.380 we shouldn't confuse a reduction in risk with the elimination of risk.

02:11:19.100 I think the agreement has now bought us time,

02:11:21.380 but it doesn't yet eliminate the vulnerabilities.

02:11:24.440 We have to remember the Strait of Hormuz remains the most important choke point in the global economy.

02:11:30.240 One fifth of the world's oil and gas still moves through that corridor.

02:11:34.160 So I think the lesson over the last several months is not that the danger has disappeared,

02:11:39.100 but more that how quickly inflation fears can return when a critical energy artery is

02:11:45.700 threatened like this, because energy isn't just what we pay at the pump.

02:11:49.680 It bleeds through into the broader economy.

02:11:52.040 It's food prices, transportation and everything else.

02:11:55.300 So the markets at the moment are celebrating because the immediate crisis appears to be

02:12:00.280 easing.

02:12:00.780 And I think that's reasonable. But the broader question still remains, right? A foreign policy crisis we now know can become an energy crisis, which can fuel inflation. And inflation obviously puts issue on the debt problem, which is one of the biggest issues we have. So I think the deal has turned the temperature down for now, but it hasn't changed the underlying vulnerabilities.

02:12:23.020 Yeah, the inflation is up. It's creeping up monthly now. The latest was May inflation rose to 4.2% year over year. That's the highest level in three years. And it doesn't seem to me that the inflationary numbers turn on a dime. It's more like an aircraft carrier where once it creeps up, it's very hard to get back down.

02:12:45.480 They still hadn't received the price relief at the grocery store from the Biden 9% inflation rate.

02:12:52.100 And now here we are back at 4.4 or 4.2.

02:12:55.260 So how does that affect people?

02:12:58.440 How long does that affect people?

02:13:00.100 It's going to be tough to work out.

02:13:01.740 You're absolutely right.

02:13:02.860 Inflation becomes entrenched.

02:13:04.420 When prices go up, they don't come down.

02:13:07.220 The only thing that really brings it down, it's deflationary periods.

02:13:11.140 I think the last time we saw one was in 2008, lasted a couple of weeks.

02:13:15.080 So once prices are set in, they're set in. And that's the big problem. And that's why the economy looks so different to how it feels. We look at the headline numbers. GDP looks strong. You know, a lot of the positives are there, yet our lived experience just doesn't match.

02:13:32.120 And I think broadly it's because wage inflation isn't keeping up with real inflation.

02:13:36.340 And I think it's going to be a lot of work until they can iron that out.

02:13:39.820 We have to see as long as we're carrying as much debt and printing as much money as we are, I think inflation is going to be a persistent problem.

02:13:48.920 So gold is always out there as an option and it depends like people buy it for different reasons.

02:13:54.740 I'll tell you, like, the one that makes me feel best about gold is I don't know what's going to happen with our economy.

02:14:03.000 I don't know whether our money is going to be worth anything in 20 years.

02:14:07.440 Like, I worry that, like, something's going to happen in the financial system where, like, all these savings are going to be kind of wiped out by our government, by a foreign government, by some massive change in the economy.

02:14:19.340 And that's the appeal to me of gold is, like, you got gold?

02:14:22.720 You got gold bars?

02:14:23.540 They can't wipe that out.

02:14:24.740 it's so funny if you talk to me 15 years ago i i would have 20 years ago i i thought gold was

02:14:32.240 becoming a relic and i think the current climate has been a reminder to me of how important it is

02:14:38.160 you're correct like the argument for gold is it keeps pace with inflation and it has an inverse

02:14:43.900 relationship with the dollar you could go back to biblical times and an ounce of gold would buy 400

02:14:49.660 loaves of bread. It basically does the same thing today. The biggest issue for me, and I'm definitely

02:14:56.420 not a fear monger. I think we have real issues, but I think you touched on one of them. It's the

02:15:02.320 money supply. At the end of the day, we have $39 trillion of debt. The interest payments alone on

02:15:08.540 the debt are the second biggest expense for the federal government now after Social Security.

02:15:13.240 We have a $2 trillion annual deficit, and we're printing money to meet that. And ultimately,

02:15:19.060 at least in the context of all of history up until today, that looks like long-term devaluation of

02:15:26.220 currency. And that's where gold comes in, right? When currency weakens, you need more weaker

02:15:31.340 currency to buy gold. And I think it's why central banks have set records for gold buying consistently

02:15:37.420 since 22. They see we have arguably an unsolvable problem when it comes to debt and deficit,

02:15:44.500 and gold is a very good hedge against that. And so how is gold doing now versus where it was a

02:15:51.560 year ago? It's up. Listen, gold has been volatile, which historically it isn't. But we saw an

02:15:57.760 incredible year last year. Gold went up 70 percent. Silver went up 150. They started the year almost

02:16:05.220 like a meme stock. I think in the first two weeks of this year, silver was up 50 percent. Gold was

02:16:11.520 up about 20. We saw them come down from the highs. Gold peaked at about 5,500. We're running in the

02:16:18.400 low $4,000 range. So there's been a dip in pricing, but it's one that wasn't unexpected after

02:16:24.800 significant growth. And I think the Iran war really made people stop and think. We saw big

02:16:30.540 movements to cash shorter term. That strengthened the dollar. And of course, it dipped gold prices.

02:16:36.160 But for me, what I look at is the longer term fundamentals.

02:16:40.300 And as I alluded to earlier, unless we can get a handle on deficit spending and debt, gold is going to continue to go up longer term.

02:16:49.320 Because if we can't handle that, do you have an estimate on, you know, if somebody comes to you and says, I want to get into gold, like the people who get really into it, what percentage of their investment portfolio is typically gold?

02:17:03.140 It's so difficult because everybody's comfort level is very different. We always recommend, to be very clear, diversification. The idea is never to put all of your eggs in any one basket. As much as we think we know where things are heading, there's a lot of unknowns on the horizon.

02:17:22.260 So I think diversification is key. What that means to an individual really varies. Like I'm seeing some people who have lost faith, right? They have major concerns and are losing, moving larger portions of their retirement into gold. And there are other clients who are just putting smaller percentages just in case, right?

02:17:41.120 So it really is a very much an individual thing.

02:17:46.200 What I would say to people is what you want to achieve with a hedge is one side of your portfolio goes down, the other grows and mitigates.

02:17:53.800 So you want to have something significant enough to do something elsewhere, if that makes sense.

02:18:01.020 What do people do if they don't have like a secure place to store it?

02:18:05.400 You know, we talk about when we advertise for birch gold, if you want to convert an IRA in whole or in part, you can do it to gold.

02:18:11.880 But like, then does somebody ship all that gold to your house?

02:18:15.860 Like, what if you don't have a safe place?

02:18:18.160 It's a great question.

02:18:19.040 First of all, I've heard some crazy stories over the years.

02:18:22.000 So people store it in all kinds of places.

02:18:24.060 But when it comes to an IRA, to be very clear, an IRA is a tax-deferred vehicle.

02:18:30.080 So if we were to ship that gold to an individual, it would be the equivalent of pulling money

02:18:35.260 out of an IRA and it would be a taxable event.

02:18:37.720 So actually, the IRA process requires the metals to be held in a third-party Brinks

02:18:43.960 facility.

02:18:45.260 Medals are held there fully insured at all times, and the customer has access to them

02:18:49.940 physically on distribution if they wish, or they can never see them, sell them in the

02:18:55.780 IRA and just take cash out.

02:18:57.720 So IRAs require third-party storage.

02:19:01.560 When it comes to individuals and cash purchases, you know, some people have a safe at home.

02:19:06.700 It's bolted down.

02:19:07.760 It's secure. 0.85

02:19:08.800 Others use a Brinks vault.

02:19:10.720 So it really is personal preference.

02:19:13.860 For me, I have mine in a Brinks vault.

02:19:15.980 I live in Los Angeles.

02:19:17.440 So, you know.

02:19:18.560 Yeah.

02:19:19.580 Someone I used to know was burying his gold in the yard.

02:19:22.900 I'm like, OK, I mean, like you're putting a lot in the in the faith of the local German shepherds.

02:19:28.580 I'd be very worried somebody would go on a digging excursion and it would be gone.

02:19:32.740 But it's also an option.

02:19:35.080 Let's say it's also I've heard it many times.

02:19:37.680 So, yeah, you'd be surprised some of the places.

02:19:41.280 Well, thank you so much for your support of the show and for the gold, too, because honestly, a lot of our viewers really love this product.

02:19:49.220 That goes all the way back to my time at Fox.

02:19:51.400 I get it.

02:19:52.540 You know, I think Republicans in general, conservatives in general, are a little bit

02:19:56.420 more skeptical of putting all this money in the hands of the government or the stock market

02:20:01.100 and just letting the very, very good, honest people there manage it.

02:20:04.640 So hedging sounds attractive in any event.

02:20:07.960 Thank you, Philip.

02:20:08.720 We appreciate it.

02:20:09.480 Thank you.

02:20:10.700 Yeah, all the best.

02:20:11.560 We'll talk soon.

02:20:12.440 It's an interesting prospect, right?

02:20:13.840 I don't know.

02:20:14.900 How much of your portfolio would you put in gold?

02:20:19.480 Send me a note and let me know.

02:20:20.800 I'd be curious to know, would you just 1%? Would you go as high as 10? Would you go higher than

02:20:27.140 that with 30% of your portfolio? There is something comforting about being able to touch it,

02:20:32.940 hold it, right? As long as you can keep it secure and not just keep it in the funny money category

02:20:39.380 where who knows, the AI takes over the computers and suddenly everything's vanished. I worry about

02:20:47.520 that stuff. In any event, let me know. It's Megan at MeganKelley.com. Okay. So tomorrow on the show,

02:20:54.800 we have something we've been working on for you for a while. It is an interview with attempted

02:21:00.860 Ronald Reagan assassin, John Hinckley Jr. You're not going to believe this. Okay. You're not going

02:21:08.960 to believe it, but I hope you tune into it. I hope you enjoy it. And I hope you let us know how you

02:21:14.380 feel about it. Megan at MeganKelley.com. If you wish to opine, as our pal Bill O'Reilly used to

02:21:21.440 say, and also have a great weekend and have a great, great Father's Day. We'll see you soon.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - June 18, 2026

Trump's Reality-Based Iran Approach, Tyra Banks Sues Netflix, and How To Be a Great Dad, with Eiglarsh, Aronberg, Branca, and Berenson ｜ Ep. 1342

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