The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump Storms 60, Michelle's Racial Complaints, and Legit Case Against Letitia James, with Walter Kirn and Sam Antar ｜ Ep. 1185

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00:00:23.820 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:38.020 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:39.640 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

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00:01:02.860 As a few key races across the country inch closer to Election Day,

00:01:09.140 Democrats' plan is to talk about one thing, Donald Trump.

00:01:13.860 And now we learn that they are planning on taking him on, not just in advance of Tuesday,

00:01:17.680 but for the next three years, with Barack Obama, who left office almost nine years ago.

00:01:26.720 They tried that, you know.

00:01:28.680 We tried that.

00:01:29.500 Don't you think I would have tried that?

00:01:31.200 Name that movie.

00:01:31.900 Don't you think I would have tried that?

00:01:34.100 Name that movie.

00:01:35.060 That's today's movie trivia.

00:01:36.280 We tried that.

00:01:38.500 Most Democrats should be reminding themselves in advance of Kamala Harris running for president

00:01:44.240 literally almost a year ago today.

00:01:46.340 How'd that work out?

00:01:47.940 How'd that work?

00:01:48.740 Did they rush to the polls?

00:01:50.360 Was it enough to get her over the top? 0.92

00:01:51.800 They did the double Obama.

00:01:53.060 They had Michelle and Barack.

00:01:54.660 Didn't go so well.

00:01:56.060 And I'm not sure he's their solution, but we'll talk about it in one sec.

00:02:02.560 Plus, President Trump sitting down with 60 minutes last night arguing ICE raids have not

00:02:08.720 gone far enough.

00:02:09.820 That's not what Norah O'Donnell wanted to hear.

00:02:11.940 And that he's much more attractive than Zoran Mamdani.

00:02:15.740 Plus, some more that was not aired on the broadcast.

00:02:19.100 We'll show it to you.

00:02:19.740 And Michelle Obama back in the news with a special on ABC.

00:02:23.360 The style, the power, the look, and the complaining.

00:02:30.560 As Stephen L. Miller on X, the best Twitter follower, as I've told you many times, not

00:02:36.140 to be confused with Stephen Miller, the presidential advisor, also a good follow and a brilliant

00:02:40.260 man.

00:02:41.280 Stephen L. Miller said something to the effect of, it seems we've disappointed the Obamas

00:02:45.820 again.

00:02:47.000 That's exactly it.

00:02:48.940 Once again, we've fallen short of what Michelle Obama expects of us.

00:02:54.980 We're deeply sorry.

00:02:56.860 Deeply.

00:02:58.020 Not.

00:02:58.740 Okay, we'll get to that too.

00:03:00.280 Joining me today, Walter Kern, editor at large of County Highway and co-host of the America

00:03:06.120 This Week podcast.

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00:04:02.080 Walter, welcome back.

00:04:04.220 Great to have you.

00:04:05.700 Great to be here.

00:04:07.380 I can't wait to talk about all of those things, but we're going to kick it off with 60 Minutes,

00:04:13.140 where Trump returned after having successfully sued them for what he said was a misleading

00:04:19.280 edit on their interview of Kamala Harris, and they wound up settling the case, much to

00:04:23.920 the consternation of many inside the CBS News organization.

00:04:28.460 Eh, they got over it.

00:04:29.880 So he sits with Norah O'Donnell, and I have to tell you, to me, it was very interesting

00:04:33.400 watching Norah O'Donnell try to pretend she's just a totally fair, earnest, objective reporter 1.00

00:04:41.020 with Donald Trump.

00:04:42.280 It was seeping out.

00:04:43.660 She loathes him.

00:04:44.340 But watching her even try to pretend was fascinating, because clearly she's going to be taken behind

00:04:50.900 the Barry Weiss woodshed, which is a great woodshed, if she doesn't get in line.

00:04:56.660 And our friend Barry is not really taking any prisoners over there.

00:05:01.480 People are getting fired left and right.

00:05:03.000 We'll talk about it in a sec.

00:05:04.120 But Norah O'Donnell doesn't want to be on the list. 0.99

00:05:06.820 She already lost her gig as CBS News evening anchor. 0.99

00:05:09.500 Now she's just being a correspondent on 60, which is fine, but she doesn't want to lose

00:05:15.560 that.

00:05:15.820 Then she's out to pasture. 0.94

00:05:17.280 She loses that job. 0.93

00:05:18.340 So she did her level best to act like she was nonpartisan.

00:05:23.380 But I'll just give you a flavor of how it went between the two of them when the interview

00:05:28.940 started kicking off.

00:05:30.120 Sot 1A.

00:05:31.600 But they have to let the country.

00:05:32.920 And you know what they have to do?

00:05:34.000 All they have to do is raise five hands.

00:05:35.740 We don't need all of them.

00:05:36.580 But so you're saying your plan is, but Mr. President, with all due respect, you've

00:05:40.740 been talking about fixing the health care insurance plan since 2015.

00:05:43.980 And you can't do it because of the Democrats.

00:05:45.300 But since 2015, you've said you'd fix it.

00:05:46.720 I've been talking much better health care.

00:05:48.840 But where is that plan?

00:05:49.860 And I'd be willing to work with the Democrats on it.

00:05:51.840 Even here in Florida has the highest number of residents on Obamacare in the country.

00:05:57.020 And I'm saying we can fix it, Nora.

00:05:58.540 You have helped end these government shutdowns in the past when they came about.

00:06:02.080 I did, I did.

00:06:02.300 And you did it by bringing them.

00:06:03.440 I'm very good at it.

00:06:04.260 But I'm not going to do it by extortion, people.

00:06:07.800 So then what happens on November 15th when the troops don't get a paycheck?

00:06:10.960 Schumer is a basket case.

00:06:12.640 We're doing really well.

00:06:14.360 Can I ask you, Mr. President, on that point, though, when the stock market is doing well,

00:06:18.040 that doesn't affect everybody.

00:06:19.380 Not everybody's invested in the stock market.

00:06:21.100 It does.

00:06:21.120 Oh, it does.

00:06:21.320 It does.

00:06:21.580 But there have been grocery prices are up.

00:06:23.620 No, 401ks.

00:06:24.140 People have 401ks.

00:06:25.600 Their 401ks are double what they were a year ago.

00:06:28.720 But for people that don't have 401ks or are not invested in the stock market, they've seen

00:06:33.940 their grocery prices go up.

00:06:35.760 Inflation.

00:06:36.320 No, you're annoying.

00:06:38.180 Isn't she annoying? 1.00

00:06:39.180 She's so annoying. 1.00

00:06:40.280 Well, doesn't it give you a headache? 0.84

00:06:42.060 I feel schizophrenic now.

00:06:44.600 She is annoying. 1.00

00:06:45.760 The problem is that she's caught between a Barry Weiss and a hard place, because if she

00:06:50.680 goes at all soft on Donald Trump, then all of the people like Don Winslow and others

00:06:57.460 on Twitter, the hardcore party disciplinarians will say, oh, she bent the knee to the evil 0.99

00:07:04.820 Barry Weiss.

00:07:05.780 And then she won't be able to get a job at all if she's fired, which could easily happen. 0.54

00:07:11.760 Yes.

00:07:13.140 They're dropping like flies.

00:07:14.260 Yeah, these people have to be thinking about their next employer, MS Now, or whatever it

00:07:20.300 is going to be called.

00:07:21.880 Thank you.

00:07:25.620 That's right.

00:07:26.260 So Norah O'Donnell goes out there. 0.96

00:07:27.860 And for most of the exchange, I felt uncomfortable because she just sort of tried to look like

00:07:31.920 an ingenue, you know, like, but Mr. President, Mr. President.

00:07:35.260 But every time he tried to make a point, she stepped on him.

00:07:37.820 Can't have Donald Trump making points on 60 after all.

00:07:40.680 And here was one he did manage to get out where she tried to press him on the horrible,

00:07:46.280 terrible ice raids.

00:07:47.440 I mean, the narrative coming out of Team Blue right now from Barack Obama on down is that

00:07:52.240 we're running around kidnapping American citizens in the streets with masked ice agents.

00:07:57.840 And then you never see them again.

00:07:59.220 Those are lies.

00:08:00.240 We are not.

00:08:01.120 It is not true.

00:08:02.000 The piece about Americans is a lie.

00:08:04.300 The Americans who have been deported by ice were deported because they are children whose 0.77

00:08:09.460 illegal mothers got deported.

00:08:11.400 And then they asked the mothers, would you like your kids to remain here with some family

00:08:16.160 members since they are American citizens?

00:08:18.180 Or would you like to take them with you since you are their legal guardian mom?

00:08:22.400 And the moms have said, I'm taking them with me.

00:08:24.840 So they got to go to.

00:08:26.040 And now that's translated into they're arresting American citizens.

00:08:29.700 OK, that's not it's not what's happening.

00:08:31.960 The American citizens who are being arrested, quote, in the streets, by the way, are the

00:08:35.140 ones who are behaving terribly against ice agents and at ice arrests who commit crimes

00:08:41.180 like assault or battery or trespass or vandalism.

00:08:44.680 Same things you or I would be arrested for if we committed them in the street.

00:08:48.540 In any event, she asks him whether these horrible, terrible ice raids have gone too far.

00:08:55.000 It's not one.

00:08:56.820 Americans have been watching videos of ice tackling a young mother.

00:09:01.380 Tear gas being used in a Chicago residential neighborhood and the smashing of car windows.

00:09:07.300 Have some of these raids gone too far?

00:09:09.760 No, I think they haven't gone far enough because we've been held back by the by the judges,

00:09:14.900 by the liberal judges that were put in by Biden and by Obama.

00:09:18.860 You're OK with those tactics.

00:09:20.580 Yeah, because you have to get the people out.

00:09:22.180 You know, you have to look at the people. 0.96

00:09:23.760 Many of them are murderers.

00:09:25.480 Many of them are people that were thrown out of their countries because they were, you know, 0.59

00:09:29.580 criminals.

00:09:29.960 But a lot of the people that your administration has arrested and deported aren't violent criminals.

00:09:35.380 Landscapers, nannies, construction workers, farm workers.

00:09:39.720 No, look, look.

00:09:40.320 The family of you as service members.

00:09:41.880 I need landscapers and I need farmers more than anybody, OK?

00:09:44.100 Is it your intent to deport people who do not have a criminal record?

00:09:48.220 We have to start off with a policy and the policy has to be you came into the country illegally. 1.00

00:09:54.600 You're going to go out.

00:09:55.500 However, you've also seen you're going to go out.

00:09:59.140 We're going to work with you and you're going to come back into our country legally. 0.99

00:10:02.420 Walter, by the way, not asked anything about the attacks on ICE agents who are being shot at, who have actual bounties on their heads, who are uniformly dragged by outlets like CBS unfairly every night.

00:10:19.440 Well, I mean, you know, possession is nine tenths of the law.

00:10:24.920 They say, you know, if you can get something into your possession, it's hard to get it back from you.

00:10:30.540 I guess migration is easier when you flood over and you go across, you know, jungles and deserts and so on.

00:10:40.220 These people just to get here have been through much worse than they're being put through to leave.

00:10:47.000 First of all, they have the option of complying, which I'm sure you don't bust the glass if somebody is complying.

00:10:55.040 Those videos come from people who are resisting.

00:10:59.720 So it's always going to be ugly when you have to undo something that, you know, a law that wasn't paid attention to in the first place.

00:11:09.680 It's going to be doubly ugly.

00:11:11.480 Why can't they see that?

00:11:13.600 It wasn't it wasn't Donald Trump who forced them to come to the country.

00:11:17.740 And it isn't Donald Trump who's forcing them to resist the deportation that is apparently legal.

00:11:25.260 So what videos have to do with it?

00:11:28.380 I don't know.

00:11:29.700 I'm sure.

00:11:30.600 And to call them landscapers and so on.

00:11:33.800 I mean, Charles Manson was a songwriter, songwriter Charles Manson in jail.

00:11:40.760 They are finding the most optimistic and rosiest way to portray the case of the legal illegals. 0.67

00:11:47.940 And they're trying to portray him in the absolute worst light.

00:11:53.480 I mean, if we showed if we showed videos of some of these criminals at their worst and, you know, use those to illustrate the problem.

00:12:02.280 I'm sure that she would be on the other foot.

00:12:05.320 But instead, we get we get the edge cases of the deportations.

00:12:10.480 Exactly right.

00:12:11.400 Exactly right.

00:12:11.960 Rather than talking to us about Lakin Riley or Jocelyn Nungare or Rachel Moran down in the southeast who was raped and assaulted and murdered with her.

00:12:22.920 She had five kids.

00:12:24.660 No, we don't.

00:12:25.240 Nora didn't spend time on that. 0.96

00:12:26.540 And in fact, I think we know why, because she doesn't seem to have much of a problem with immigration, illegal immigration, or at least she didn't when she interviewed Kamala Harris.

00:12:37.400 Here's a thought from last year when she came to Kamala Harris's defense on immigration after the presidential debate.

00:12:45.380 Listen to this.

00:12:45.920 When the topic of immigration came up, which is one that Donald Trump likes to hammer this administration on, he likes to call Kamala Harris wrongly the border czar. 0.94

00:12:59.320 That was not specifically her her job.

00:13:04.220 Yes, it was that.

00:13:05.700 It's the it's subtle.

00:13:06.820 Some people are on on the nose with their bias and other people work it into their commentary like she does right there.

00:13:12.720 Yes, she was the border czar.

00:13:14.140 She absolutely was the border czar.

00:13:16.180 And that is Norah O'Donnell trying to run cover for Kamala Harris to remove that set of responsibilities from her so that she didn't have to share in what happened to this country, which is exactly what Trump and Tom Homan are trying to fix with these deportations and the ICE raids. 1.00

00:13:32.700 Right.

00:13:33.120 It's like you can't.

00:13:34.520 She was what she was one of the arsonists, Walter.

00:13:36.940 So, of course, she's not going to be honest about the fire that's burning.

00:13:39.480 Well, like I say, you know, arson, when you set the fire, is actually probably a pretty easy crime.

00:13:49.260 Putting out a fire involves knocking down doors, breaking down walls.

00:13:55.420 Writing a terrible situation is always going to be difficult and awkward.

00:14:00.140 And picking it most awkward moments and most difficult moments as exemplary is, you know, that's dishonest news, but that's their stock in trade.

00:14:10.640 As far as this revisionism about Kamala Harris's responsibility for the border, I mean, they can literally in five seconds find video of her proclaiming that or her being named that.

00:14:26.500 Why is that a controversy?

00:14:28.540 I mean, it's a fact of it's a fact of Internet history unless they've already erased it.

00:14:34.420 You know, that's that's what they do, as you well know.

00:14:37.380 If it's a bad fact for them, they're they're very, very capable of erasing it here.

00:14:42.760 She decides to get I mean, we heard this from Barack Obama.

00:14:45.320 If people listen to AM update this morning, which they should.

00:14:48.080 We played a soundbite of Barack Obama criticizing Donald Trump, saying he's weaponized the Department of Justice to go after his political enemies.

00:14:56.960 Like, this is the reason why you shouldn't vote Republican, because Trump has weaponized the DOJ to go after his political enemies.

00:15:05.480 Meanwhile, we it's not just what Joe Biden did to Trump. 0.99

00:15:08.420 It's also what Barack Obama did to Trump, trying to set him up as a Russian stooge when Obama knew that he wasn't all of his top intel people going to him, saying this is bullshit. 0.97

00:15:18.180 This is a Hillary Clinton operation to try to tar Trump. 0.99

00:15:21.080 And Barack Obama said, pedal to the metal, boys.

00:15:23.900 Let's do this thing.

00:15:25.000 But OK, that was him.

00:15:27.360 Now here's Norah O'Donnell trying to ask Trump whether he's involved in political retribution with these indictments we've seen.

00:15:34.840 Watch here.

00:15:35.540 Saw two.

00:15:37.180 James Comey, John Bolton, Letitia James were all recently indicted.

00:15:42.340 There is a pattern to these names.

00:15:44.120 They're all public figures who have publicly denounced you.

00:15:47.980 Is it political retribution?

00:15:49.140 You know what?

00:15:49.520 You know who got indicted?

00:15:51.220 The man you're looking at.

00:15:52.720 I got indicted and I was innocent.

00:15:56.300 And here I am because I was able to beat all of the nonsense that was thrown at me. 0.75

00:16:00.800 And yet when you go after a dirty cop like Comey or a guy like Bolton, who I hear has, I don't know anything about it. 0.91

00:16:07.020 I hear he took records all over the place. 0.78

00:16:08.880 Who knows? 0.95

00:16:09.800 Letitia James is a terrible, dishonest person, in my opinion. 1.00

00:16:13.500 Did you instruct the Department of Justice to go after them? 0.82

00:16:15.960 Not in any way, shape, or form.

00:16:17.760 No, you don't have to instruct them because they were so dirty, they were so crooked, they were so corrupt that the honest people we have, Pam Bondi's doing a very good job, Kash Patel's doing a very good job.

00:16:28.620 The honest people that we have go after them automatically.

00:16:31.080 Is this retribution on your part?

00:16:33.420 No, it's the opposite.

00:16:34.400 I think I've been very mild-mannered.

00:16:36.860 You're looking at a man who was indicted many times, and I had to beat the rap.

00:16:40.480 Otherwise, I couldn't have run for president.

00:16:42.380 They tried to get me not to run for president by going after me and by indicting me.

00:16:47.440 You know, Walter, you notice that in these questions, when anybody asks Trump about whether this is political retribution, they don't ask, they don't insert the phrase, for what?

00:17:00.080 What exactly, Nora, would it be political retribution for?

00:17:05.200 And why do you feel the need to excise that from your question?

00:17:11.000 I would fire her if I were Barry White. 1.00

00:17:14.400 Yeah, I would too.

00:17:14.760 Exactly, because these questions are beneath 60 minutes.

00:17:18.520 They ignore vast factual continents that have already emerged from the sea and aren't going back under it.

00:17:27.160 And, you know, isn't all legal punishment retribution in some sense?

00:17:32.320 I mean, when we punish a murderer, it's retribution for their murder.

00:17:36.180 When we punish a spy, it's retribution for espionage.

00:17:39.880 In the political realm, if you punish someone who has committed crimes, I suppose it's retribution, but it's retribution on behalf of the people of the United States.

00:17:51.940 That's who these laws protect.

00:17:56.680 They don't protect Donald Trump.

00:17:58.240 And to the extent to which they have broken them, they deserve to be punished for all of us.

00:18:04.620 Now, Nora doesn't know of their crimes or doesn't consider them crimes or is hiding the fact that she knows.

00:18:13.520 I don't know which.

00:18:14.300 But all of those are actionable offenses.

00:18:16.840 If you are a 60 minutes reporter, that is the most misleading set of questions I can imagine.

00:18:23.540 I don't know why she feels the need at this late date to pretend that we don't know what we do.

00:18:30.780 Kilmey was indicted.

00:18:32.680 Why doesn't she actually reprise what he was indicted for?

00:18:37.840 Lying to Congress.

00:18:39.220 Not for hurting Donald Trump.

00:18:40.980 Or if you want to go this way, if you want to go to, OK, Trump instructed them to do it, then have the have the post.

00:18:48.720 This is what I would have done if I wanted to go that route.

00:18:50.380 I would have pulled up his true social post that he then took down, directed at Pam Bondi.

00:18:55.900 Pam, you wrote, I've reviewed over 30 statements of posts saying that essentially same old story as last time.

00:19:00.860 All talk, no action.

00:19:01.880 Nothing's being done.

00:19:02.920 What about Comey?

00:19:03.720 Adam Shifty Shift.

00:19:04.560 Letitia.

00:19:05.000 They're all guilty as hell, but nothing's going to be done.

00:19:07.120 And then he ended it with, there is a great case and many lawyers and legal pundits say so.

00:19:13.400 Lindsey Halligan's a really good lawyer and likes you a lot.

00:19:15.900 We can't delay any longer.

00:19:17.020 It's killing our reputation and credibility.

00:19:18.520 They impeached me twice and indicted me five times over nothing.

00:19:21.780 Justice must be served now.

00:19:23.680 That's what I would have said.

00:19:25.060 What does that mean, Mr. Trump?

00:19:26.960 It does appear that you interfered.

00:19:28.300 It appears, you know, whatever days later, we had a Lindsey Halligan and we had indictments against Comey and Tish James.

00:19:34.080 Why can't you just admit it?

00:19:35.440 It was political retribution for what they did to you.

00:19:38.520 Honestly, Walter, that's a way better question because it's clearly true. 0.99

00:19:42.260 And most of us don't give a shit because they deserve it. 0.98

00:19:45.480 Well, and the other thing is, it was people like her who made James Comey and Letitia James into these secular saints. 0.99

00:19:54.740 Now, you see, what they're doing is they're trying to harvest the propaganda campaign that he ran on half of these people.

00:20:01.640 These were never wonderful people in the first place.

00:20:04.640 But when they were prosecuting Donald Trump, they made them into secular heroes.

00:20:10.320 And now they're listing them as though they're untouchables.

00:20:13.660 How Letitia James, you know, the icon of New York justice, James Comey, the prince of probity, the man who wrote, you know, a higher calling.

00:20:27.680 In other words, they built these people up and now they can't believe that the bowling pins that they set up were coming down.

00:20:35.080 It's their credibility that's on the line, frankly.

00:20:38.520 And that's why they're defending them, because we all remember when they put the crowns on these folks.

00:20:44.960 That's so true.

00:20:46.140 Honestly, it's like I don't even I don't even think Trump should bother trying to deny it.

00:20:50.500 Like, look, I'm in favor of it.

00:20:52.400 And I certainly made my opinion known that I'd love to see something happen if the crime were there.

00:20:56.760 But neither these prosecutors nor these grand juries would have indicted had they not found probable cause for a crime.

00:21:05.300 You know, my personal preference aside, the process went through the correct hoops.

00:21:10.060 These grand juries actually declined to return a true bill on some of the proposed charges.

00:21:15.300 And so clearly these left wing juries in the Eastern District of Virginia, et cetera, found probable cause.

00:21:23.060 Now the legal system will play out as it should.

00:21:25.420 And by the way, where was Norah O'Donnell in 60 Minutes talking to Kamala Harris about Joe Biden saying to The New York Times in April 2022,

00:21:35.540 I want to see Donald Trump indicted.

00:21:40.660 I want Merrick Garland is too slow.

00:21:44.200 60 Minutes never.

00:21:45.420 Nothing, nothing.

00:21:46.460 Bill Whitaker was like, gee, Kamala Harris, you're hot.

00:21:51.060 No, it wasn't quite that bad.

00:21:52.280 But that's how it felt.

00:21:53.960 Well, one thing Trump doesn't do enough is is is list those people who were persecuted besides him.

00:22:00.280 When she made that list of Comey, Letitia and so on, he should have come back with Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, all of the people who actually went to freaking jail.

00:22:11.040 And I mean, weren't just indicted, but went to jail.

00:22:15.620 And not only that, he has to, I think, stand up for the fact that, you know, it is grand juries that did this.

00:22:25.200 It is, you know, Americans who made these charges.

00:22:30.160 Donald Trump didn't.

00:22:31.420 If the grand juries in those places had thought that he was on some kind of witch hunt without evidence and so on, they could have told him to shove it.

00:22:39.220 And they didn't.

00:22:40.400 And, you know, so that's who she's questioning at this point.

00:22:45.520 She's questioning the justice system. 0.98

00:22:48.160 She loved it a minute ago.

00:22:50.340 But now it's the play thing of Donald Trump.

00:22:53.660 Yeah, exactly.

00:22:55.940 And none of the questions or framing has context, which is what an actually sound, honest reporter would make sure of.

00:23:05.420 This is, after all, CBS News.

00:23:07.720 It is not sound or fair.

00:23:09.940 When you ask somebody if this is political retribution and yet do not at least add with a proviso.

00:23:18.240 Yes, there also is evidence.

00:23:20.680 But, you know, then when you act as though there may not be, when you actually let the audience assume that perhaps this has been done without any basis, then you're being misleading.

00:23:33.360 And I don't think you belong on 60 Minutes.

00:23:35.880 I mean, especially the Bolton one, which even the left wing newspapers have acknowledged was started under the Biden administration.

00:23:44.060 It had the investigation into whether he wrongfully disclosed classified information.

00:23:48.180 No, she didn't even mention that.

00:23:49.940 By the way, we're going to do a deep dive into the Tish James indictment as the last block of our show today with a man who knows who was convicted of committing fraud himself.

00:23:59.360 And he says, trust me, she's done it.

00:24:02.220 She denies it.

00:24:03.060 We're going to go into it.

00:24:04.020 OK, here's another one.

00:24:05.080 Trump was asked about how and this, too, is a lie about how Zoran Mondani is basically the Trump of the left, which I mean, talk about a laundering of Zoran Mondani.

00:24:20.140 Watch this.

00:24:22.420 Zoran Mondani, 34 year old Democratic socialist.

00:24:25.680 He's the communist, not socialist communist.

00:24:27.660 He's far worse than a socialist.

00:24:29.600 Some people have compared him to a left wing version of you, charismatic, breaking the old rules.

00:24:35.300 What do you think about that?

00:24:36.980 Well, I think I'm a much better looking person than him, right?

00:24:39.780 What if Mondani becomes mayor?

00:24:41.260 It's going to be hard for me as the president to give a lot of money to New York, because if you have a communist running New York, all you're doing is wasting the money you're sending there.

00:24:53.040 So I don't know that he's one and I'm not a fan of Cuomo one way or the other.

00:24:57.400 But if it's going to be between a bad Democrat and a communist, I'm going to pick the bad Democrat all the time, to be honest with you.

00:25:06.560 So well said.

00:25:07.660 That last line, that's exactly right.

00:25:09.280 If it's between a communist and a bad Democrat, I'll pick the bad Democrat.

00:25:12.720 Go ahead, Walter.

00:25:13.800 Megan, Nora O'Donnell just asserted on CBS News, on its crown jewel 60 minutes, that some people have compared Mom Donnie to Trump.

00:25:24.780 Have you yet heard that?

00:25:26.160 Of all the comparisons I've heard Mom Donnie.

00:25:29.100 Two peas in a pod.

00:25:30.040 Donald Trump is the one that I haven't heard.

00:25:35.640 I don't know who some people are that they, you know, they're like the experts that they find.

00:25:41.160 Is she a Cuomo voter, possibly?

00:25:43.040 Like, why would she say that in 60 Minutes to 60 Minutes viewers? 0.97

00:25:46.280 Well, I don't know.

00:25:47.460 But Trump came back with I'm better looking because he was insulting properly this unseriousness and the silliness of the question.

00:25:57.500 What's he supposed to say to that?

00:25:59.540 Some people have compared you.

00:26:02.180 What?

00:26:03.120 No.

00:26:03.940 I don't know who they are.

00:26:05.260 Bring them on here.

00:26:06.240 I don't believe they exist.

00:26:07.440 Next question.

00:26:08.620 I mean, Walter, if he had said, if he had said who, she would have been so uncomfortable.

00:26:15.840 Right.

00:26:16.740 Exactly.

00:26:17.900 Let's hear.

00:26:18.700 When?

00:26:19.280 Did that happen today?

00:26:20.520 Yesterday?

00:26:21.820 Yes.

00:26:23.380 What he should have said is that, you know, well, do those people admire him?

00:26:28.820 But hate me?

00:26:30.460 Are they saying that he's terrible? 0.79

00:26:32.220 Because most people on your network use Donald Trump as a synonym for the devil.

00:26:36.440 So they must hate him.

00:26:37.540 Right.

00:26:38.240 I mean, now now Donald Trump now to call somebody Donald Trump is a compliment on CBS.

00:26:43.320 I don't understand what they're saying.

00:26:45.520 Oh, he because he breaks the rules.

00:26:47.560 Also, what rule has he broken?

00:26:49.820 I mean, what is Mondami doing that in New York is actually so controversial?

00:26:55.920 Well, I mean, his last campaign ad, I think, was in Arabic.

00:26:58.620 That's that's a little controversial, but not for the reasons that they attack Donald Trump.

00:27:03.300 I mean, this guy.

00:27:04.220 Oh, that reminds me of Donald Trump when he does a campaign commercial in Arabic.

00:27:09.020 What?

00:27:10.980 So I do think it's interesting, though, that you've got like there's there is a dynamic

00:27:16.940 underfoot here at CBS.

00:27:18.220 Before I go on to it, actually, I'll just play one more.

00:27:20.560 This is sorry.

00:27:22.600 Two more.

00:27:22.900 I don't want to spend our whole time talking about Nora O'Donnell, but here was some news

00:27:26.140 a little bit about who's going to be president or run for president on the GOP ticket in 28

00:27:31.000 SOT 5.

00:27:33.600 There's been a lot of talk about 2028 and who will be at the top of the Republican ticket.

00:27:39.640 Can you set the record straight?

00:27:41.520 You're not going to try and run for a third term?

00:27:43.840 Well, I don't even think about it.

00:27:45.380 I will tell you, a lot of people want me to run.

00:27:47.920 But the difference between us and the Democrats is we really do have a strong bench.

00:27:52.240 I don't want to use names because it's, you know, inappropriate, but it's too early.

00:27:55.880 Three and a quarter years.

00:27:56.040 But people do like when you start talking about whether you like J.D. Vance or Secretary

00:27:59.340 Rubio.

00:27:59.360 I do like J.D. Vance.

00:28:00.420 I like Marco Rubio.

00:28:01.560 I like us.

00:28:02.000 I like so many.

00:28:02.720 We have an unbelievable bench.

00:28:06.480 My take on this is the same as it's been, which is Trump just is this is the guy who ran

00:28:11.260 Apprentice and Celebrity Apprentice.

00:28:13.860 And he's definitely not going to tell you who's going to win the final boardroom contest until

00:28:18.200 anything closer than the last episode.

00:28:20.840 He's a lot smarter than she is.

00:28:24.520 And it was clear there because even though he acted a little annoyed, she fell into his

00:28:30.400 trap.

00:28:31.240 She he has her talking about Marco Rubio and J.D. Vance in the 2028 election.

00:28:38.160 And already she's already giving free air time to that. 0.89

00:28:43.920 She's you know, she's already getting us focused on that.

00:28:47.600 And all he has to do is say, I might run in 2028.

00:28:52.220 And he's drawn all the attention to the Republican ticket.

00:28:56.600 And that's all it takes.

00:28:57.780 I mean, stay quiet.

00:28:58.840 And in yeah.

00:29:00.060 And in that sense, he's controlling the conversation.

00:29:03.300 And yet she thinks her gotchas are controlling it. 0.98

00:29:06.720 And once again, she said a lot of people are saying do they have to preface everything with

00:29:11.980 experts say or some people are saying or a lot of people are saying there's CBS news,

00:29:17.780 for God's sake.

00:29:18.680 Why don't they talk about themselves?

00:29:21.500 Just say it.

00:29:22.520 Just say it.

00:29:23.120 Yeah.

00:29:23.560 Could it be Marco?

00:29:24.500 Could it be J.D.?

00:29:25.620 Have you considered that?

00:29:26.580 You said Marco and J.D. would make an amazing ticket.

00:29:30.500 Ticket.

00:29:30.940 Why?

00:29:31.560 Say that.

00:29:32.200 I will like whatever.

00:29:32.900 OK.

00:29:33.540 Exactly.

00:29:34.620 They're always the last one.

00:29:35.840 Some man in the street who doesn't exist.

00:29:38.580 Who's like more credible than Nora O'Donnell.

00:29:41.200 I mean, truly, it undermines you as a reporter.

00:29:43.300 Right.

00:29:43.540 It's like I don't have the credibility or the gravitas to actually ask this question,

00:29:47.720 but some people do.

00:29:49.820 Here is this is from the extended interview.

00:29:53.260 It didn't air on 60, but it was part of the interview that got, you know, scrapped.

00:29:57.960 Now, I believe they're posting all their presidential transcripts on on CBS dot com or 60 dot com

00:30:03.240 because of what happened with Kamala Harris.

00:30:05.080 At least they said that was going to be their new policy.

00:30:07.260 So here is an exchange that did not make the cut.

00:30:10.240 Watch this.

00:30:10.680 Dot six.

00:30:11.120 The press got behind her.

00:30:14.340 Oh, they were so behind her.

00:30:15.880 But eventually she failed because she couldn't speak.

00:30:18.280 She wasn't a very intelligent person, in my opinion, but she couldn't speak properly.

00:30:22.040 She could not speak.

00:30:23.560 And actually, 60 minutes paid me a lot of money.

00:30:26.740 And you don't have to put this on because I don't want to embarrass you.

00:30:29.060 And I'm sure you're not.

00:30:30.560 You have a great I think you have a great new leader, frankly, because the young woman that's leading your whole enterprise is a great.

00:30:37.920 From what I know, I don't know her, but I hear she's a great person.

00:30:40.340 But 60 minutes was forced to pay me a lot of money because they took her answer out.

00:30:45.860 That was so bad.

00:30:46.780 It was election changing two nights before the election.

00:30:50.900 And they put a new answer in and they paid me a lot of money for that.

00:30:55.280 You can't have fake news.

00:30:57.100 You've got to have legit news.

00:30:59.500 And I think that it's happening.

00:31:02.420 I see.

00:31:03.080 Mr. President.

00:31:03.780 I see good things happening in the news.

00:31:05.800 I really do.

00:31:06.300 And I think one of the best things that happened is this show and new ownership, CBS and new ownership.

00:31:12.160 I think it's the greatest thing that's happened in a long time to a free and open and good press.

00:31:19.180 Now, she wasn't so interruptive on that one, Walter, because she's like, there's no way one second of this is airing.

00:31:25.740 Go ahead.

00:31:27.920 But am I correct?

00:31:29.720 Did you say that they make available that which they have cut out now?

00:31:34.680 Yeah.

00:31:34.960 On YouTube, they post it.

00:31:36.700 That's a victory.

00:31:38.080 That's a victory.

00:31:39.480 Oh, they only did it because he sued, because it became a national controversy, because people felt they actively interfered with the presidential election.

00:31:47.480 Because what's so controversial about just showing an actual exchange or showing the transcript of the actual exchange versus what you aired?

00:31:54.300 So, yes, it was a victory.

00:31:55.680 But it's like so such a simple thing to do.

00:31:58.880 It is a simple thing to do.

00:32:00.520 And it's a common sense thing to do.

00:32:02.040 And they never did it before because they wanted to hide their sins.

00:32:05.220 And now they've gotten caught and forced to do it.

00:32:07.700 But it allows a chess game on the part of the interviewee that didn't exist before, which is, as Trump said, you can now say things that you know they're going to cut out.

00:32:18.940 And you have a sort of second interview.

00:32:21.100 You have like the black market interview in which you praise Barry Weiss and so on.

00:32:27.880 And you know it's going to be cut out, but you know it's also going to be available and can be clipped and circulated on social media.

00:32:35.760 So there are now two 60-minute interviews every time there is one.

00:32:40.920 And one includes, I bet you will cut this out, and then they do.

00:32:45.260 And then it circulates anyway.

00:32:48.920 They have made some progress against the deceptive press.

00:32:55.280 And that innovation is one.

00:32:57.040 And the fact that Barry Weiss is in charge of CBS News is another.

00:33:00.820 And I think that's a much bigger deal than people are letting on.

00:33:03.740 Because whatever their viewership is, even compared to this podcast, I'm sure it's smaller in a lot of ways. 0.89

00:33:09.760 Yeah, it's, I was just going to say it's pathetic, and their morning numbers are in third place, which is the kiss of death.

00:33:16.560 And their evening numbers, I think, are in third place. 0.89

00:33:18.420 They're all in third place.

00:33:19.240 CBS has never been great, and they're especially weak right now.

00:33:21.700 Keep going.

00:33:22.960 But it shows that these places are penetrable.

00:33:26.880 CBS News, next to the New York Times, is the historic crown jewel of what is called the establishment liberal media.

00:33:36.360 You know, back to the days of Bill Paley, whatever.

00:33:38.960 And that it could have a change in its executive leader and in its editorial policy, I don't think is appreciated as the sea change it really is.

00:33:52.180 Well, it's not just—

00:33:53.700 That's the last thing they wanted to go.

00:33:55.740 That's their T-era. 0.75

00:33:57.720 Mm-hmm.

00:33:58.620 Well, they had a change at the top at 60 with their executive producer prior to Barry.

00:34:02.680 Now, post-Barry, and we reported this late last week, there are reports that Scott Pelley may be on his way out, which I totally believe, because Barry is not an insane lunatic.

00:34:14.580 There's no way she didn't look at him.

00:34:17.900 Here's Scott Pelley.

00:34:18.840 Okay, ready?

00:34:19.620 Walter, this is how he does every interview.

00:34:21.600 This is him.

00:34:22.900 Listening audience, I've got my reading glasses at the end of my nose.

00:34:26.160 He goes, that didn't happen, terrible conservative person.

00:34:30.140 Trust me, that's a lie. 0.98

00:34:32.780 Another terrible lie by evil conservatives. 0.63

00:34:35.640 That's Scott Pelley.

00:34:36.760 So he's, I believe, will be on his way out.

00:34:38.900 And today, or yesterday, whatever, a couple days ago, it hit the news that the next one to go, I will show you who we believe the next one to go is.

00:34:49.260 It's this person here in SOT 29.

00:34:58.200 Please don't call it a ride. 0.92

00:35:00.060 That is not a friggin' ride.

00:35:01.140 Whenever a man goes up, you have never said to an astronaut, boy, what a ride.

00:35:05.700 You know, we duplicated the same trajectory that Alan Shepard did back in the day, pretty much.

00:35:11.580 You're Alan Shepard.

00:35:12.100 We don't call that a ride.

00:35:12.980 It was called a flight.

00:35:14.100 It was called a journey.

00:35:15.100 Because a ride implies that it's something frivolous or something that's lighthearted.

00:35:20.120 There was nothing frivolous about what we did.

00:35:23.220 You had stuffed animals.

00:35:24.220 And the machine that we were on.

00:35:25.820 Megan.

00:35:26.360 And what it took for the people to get that machine up and running, to get us up and get us back down safely.

00:35:32.120 So, you know, I'm very disappointed and very saddened by it.

00:35:35.260 And I also say this.

00:35:37.040 So, what it's doing to inspire other women and young girls?

00:35:40.320 I'm inspirational.

00:35:41.180 Don't ignore that.

00:35:42.060 It's called a ride because you weren't steering.

00:35:46.720 Okay?

00:35:47.720 Men too.

00:35:48.120 Wow, I never thought I could do that.

00:35:49.640 Men too.

00:35:50.160 I see you doing it at this stage of my life.

00:35:52.040 Who would have thunk it?

00:35:52.900 Not me.

00:35:54.140 No, don't ignore how inspired everybody is.

00:35:57.860 Is she acting like she helped fly the rocket?

00:35:59.440 Is that what she's suggesting?

00:36:00.640 No, but also a machine.

00:36:03.060 A machine did it. 0.97

00:36:04.100 That's a machine, Walter.

00:36:05.840 Okay, Alan, take a seat.

00:36:08.520 That's who I'm shocked, shocked to have to report to you is reportedly next to go.

00:36:14.760 I'm a former professor of English and I can't think of another word for what she did.

00:36:19.400 Is there some other word besides ride?

00:36:21.680 A flight.

00:36:22.360 A mission.

00:36:23.640 Weren't you paying attention?

00:36:24.920 It was a mission.

00:36:25.660 It was a mission to talk about a ride as though it were a mission.

00:36:34.440 That was the mission.

00:36:35.360 It was a propaganda mission based on a fair, the world's-

00:36:39.500 Nothing frivolous.

00:36:40.660 The most expensive carnival ride in history, which is what it was.

00:36:45.520 Lauren Sanchez had her astronaut suit unzipped to her navel with her enormous silicone brush 1.00

00:36:54.340 sticking out.

00:36:55.220 Nothing frivolous about what we do.

00:36:59.720 Okay, this can cost you.

00:37:01.640 It can cost you your credibility with an audience that was already waning.

00:37:07.120 This got a lot of tongues wagging within 60 minutes. 0.99

00:37:09.820 They knew she made a fool of herself. 1.00

00:37:11.700 And on top of this, I told this audience, we went to the Time 100 this year and there 0.99

00:37:17.360 was Gail.

00:37:18.480 Every table was celebrities going over, glomming, buddying up like, I'm Oprah's best friend.

00:37:27.940 I'm inserting the dialogue.

00:37:29.640 But of course, if you know me, I might be able to get you invited to an Oprah party.

00:37:33.680 This is how she, you know, most people, especially in our business, would rather be caught dead 0.95

00:37:39.320 than trying to buddy up to the Blake Lively's of the world.

00:37:43.680 Her instincts are exactly the opposite because she spends her free time on David Geffen's yacht

00:37:47.300 with the Obamas and Oprah.

00:37:49.160 All of this is alienating, especially to a morning show audience, Walter, which is why I believe

00:37:54.140 she will be soon to go.

00:37:56.480 Well, what does she actually do there again? 1.00

00:38:00.360 I mean, I'm not clear what is her, you know, she just comes around and flavors the background

00:38:07.600 or appears, you know, as an ad hoc, improvised president.

00:38:11.680 She's one of the three main morning show hosts.

00:38:14.600 She's like, she's part of the trifecta, the brain trust they put out there.

00:38:18.660 That's right.

00:38:19.880 You know, it's really hard to report on the media when you no longer watch it, but I do

00:38:24.740 my best.

00:38:26.480 So many of you have given you the clip from which you can make all your decisions.

00:38:30.520 Right, right.

00:38:31.340 But so many of these people are kind of exotic at this point because they're not the central

00:38:35.580 figures they used to be.

00:38:37.620 CBS News is not the central institution it used to be.

00:38:41.320 It may be again, it may, you know, attempt to come back.

00:38:45.340 And I don't know if Barry's CBS is going to gain viewership and new demographics or just

00:38:51.480 if she's there to stop the bleeding or what they expect finally.

00:38:55.380 But get rid of her. 0.99

00:38:58.020 I mean, the thing was failing.

00:39:00.540 Get rid of all of them, frankly.

00:39:04.000 I'm trying to think of anybody in my memory of who I've seen on CBS recently who I would

00:39:09.720 believe is, you know, necessary to keep.

00:39:15.320 Who?

00:39:15.500 You know, it's going to be really hard.

00:39:18.620 I don't know.

00:39:19.720 The only one that's coming to mind is I love Ricky Kleeman, who is a legal commentator who

00:39:25.600 used to work at Court TV and then went to CBS.

00:39:29.800 And she's married to Bill Bratton, former New York City police commissioner.

00:39:33.440 They're a law and order kind of couple and a law and order kind of family.

00:39:36.160 And she helped me when I was very young trying to break into journalism.

00:39:38.360 That's really the only one that's coming to mind.

00:39:40.900 Wait, while we're on the subject of reporters and media.

00:39:46.300 Oh, by the way, I should point out John Dickerson's also leaving CBS, which is interesting.

00:39:51.060 He's the one who couldn't quite find the motive in the Charlie Kirk shooting.

00:39:55.500 OK, sure. 0.94

00:39:55.940 OK, there's this entire network missed the fact that the president was a vegetable. 0.77

00:40:02.880 Therefore, I think they should all be fired, except except for your friend, who I think

00:40:07.620 should be made anchor.

00:40:09.960 That's she'd be she'd be amazing. 0.67

00:40:13.240 She'd be amazing.

00:40:14.440 OK, now wait.

00:40:15.540 There was news last week from a former NBC reporter.

00:40:21.400 Hold on a second.

00:40:22.380 Can you go there?

00:40:23.100 Is this what it is?

00:40:24.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:40:25.940 Um, speaking of John Dickerson leaving and her name is Michelle Kaczynski.

00:40:30.160 Now, Michelle Kaczynski used to work at NBC News and then she wound up at CNN for a short 0.99

00:40:37.620 stint.

00:40:38.180 And now I don't believe she's employed.

00:40:40.380 Um, not any place visibly anyway.

00:40:43.380 OK, she's a big Trump hater, this gal.

00:40:46.760 And she tweeted out on, I guess this was Wednesday, 1028.

00:40:52.180 John Dickerson leaving CBS and CBS looking to hire Scott Jennings, because that was another

00:40:58.300 report that Barry was looking to poach Scott from CNN, tells you instantly all you need

00:41:03.260 to know about the revamped network. 0.99

00:41:06.460 And Michelle Kaczynski, I mean, she knows a thing or two about broadcasting and how to fuck 1.00

00:41:23.220 them up here she is at NBC after a, um, I think it was a hurricane caused alleged floodwaters in 0.76

00:41:32.260 certain parts in a canoe, trying to make it look like she's basically in the middle of the Atlantic

00:41:38.780 Ocean, whereupon for the listening audience, firemen walk right by her, walk right by her 1.00

00:41:47.620 canoe, totally fine and on their own feet.

00:41:50.860 And Matt Lauer has one of the best lines ever in response.

00:41:54.080 Watch.

00:41:55.580 But first, the severe flooding here in the Northeast as more rain continues to fall today

00:42:00.220 and sees Michelle Kaczynski, I guess she's in the canoe, is in Wayne, New Jersey this morning.

00:42:06.320 Michelle, good morning to you.

00:42:07.460 Good morning.

00:42:09.860 Well, obviously we're getting a nice break from the rain, but not the flooding.

00:42:13.920 This is essentially now a part of the Passaic River in this neighborhood.

00:42:18.100 It rushed in yesterday through the street, and it's really tough to control a canoe or a

00:42:23.200 boat when you're out in it.

00:42:24.320 It's much deeper back there because this is really...

00:42:26.720 Actually, Michelle, I'll take it.

00:42:27.900 Is there some kind of severe drop-off there between the foreground?

00:42:31.320 We'll go back.

00:42:32.160 We saw these guys a second ago.

00:42:34.340 Michelle, are these holy men walking on top of water?

00:42:37.460 What's going on here?

00:42:38.660 Why walk when you can ride, you guys?

00:42:40.880 When you have a ride like this, why would you want to walk?

00:42:43.720 Have you run ashore yet?

00:42:45.880 Well, they wouldn't let me go back into the deep water because they were afraid I would

00:42:49.560 just drift out of here. 1.00

00:42:50.520 I mean, she's a prize idiot. 1.00

00:42:57.520 She stayed with the bit after the bit was blown. 1.00

00:43:01.440 I mean, she kept paddling.

00:43:03.920 She kept pretending to paddle.

00:43:05.820 Listen, I grew up in Minnesota.

00:43:07.760 I'm one of the old school canoeists of America.

00:43:11.100 I've been in birch bark canoes.

00:43:13.180 I mean, the minute anybody saw her hold on that paddle, it didn't matter if the water

00:43:20.180 was six inches deep.

00:43:21.460 They knew it was fake.

00:43:23.540 That's like watching somebody hold a gun by the barrel.

00:43:27.880 Okay?

00:43:28.020 They apparently have nobody who goes outside in that entire group.

00:43:36.300 I mean, you'd think somebody lives up in Maine or upstate New York.

00:43:41.540 Apparently, it's all people who live in Soho on the top floor of a building because letting

00:43:48.760 her out there to paddle that way was a sin. 0.99

00:43:52.060 And what did they think?

00:43:53.420 Why didn't they actually take this serious?

00:43:57.280 We just got caught.

00:43:59.980 Like, they just, they laughed it off in the studio and she apparently went with it right 0.97

00:44:06.320 to the end.

00:44:07.120 Well, she wasn't there much longer.

00:44:09.000 She wasn't there much.

00:44:09.900 I mean, good for Matt Lauer, I have to say, for calling her out.

00:44:12.040 That's, I mean, every once in a while, you get a reminder of why they paid Matt Lauer so

00:44:15.160 much money, notwithstanding what was going on behind the scenes.

00:44:18.600 Megan, you were on the news.

00:44:19.660 That wasn't her idea.

00:44:21.080 She didn't want to be in that canoe.

00:44:23.600 I don't know.

00:44:26.580 You think that she came up with that?

00:44:28.660 I need a canoe.

00:44:29.640 Let's go get one and I'll paddle. 0.86

00:44:31.120 It's possible. 1.00

00:44:31.840 It's possible because the person that would do it is just as dumb as the person that would 1.00

00:44:36.480 think it up. 1.00

00:44:37.240 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:44:37.660 Like most reporters be like, I'm not getting a fucking canoe. 0.99

00:44:40.580 There's two inches of water out there. 1.00

00:44:41.880 I'm going to look like an idiot. 0.87

00:44:42.980 I won't even be able to get the oar enough in the water to push my fake canoe, which she 0.99

00:44:47.780 couldn't, by the way.

00:44:48.840 She was having that difficulty.

00:44:49.960 Um, but here's a little bit about here's the other story that got Michelle Kaczynski in

00:44:54.740 the news back in October 20, 2020.

00:44:57.820 Um, she left CNN earlier that year, but there was a scandal involving her.

00:45:04.600 She denied it, but she was in the news for allegedly having an affair while at CNN with

00:45:11.920 the British ambassador to the United States who later, he was under investigation for

00:45:17.580 Intel leaks.

00:45:19.340 Uh, he was a lot older than she was.

00:45:21.780 He was caught for the listening audience.

00:45:23.300 He looks a little like Prince Andrew here with like disheveled hair.

00:45:26.060 He's a lot older and she denied it.

00:45:28.660 She said tabloids printing incorrect information about my private life is unacceptable.

00:45:32.980 There's a great deal wrong and simply false about what is being reported.

00:45:36.220 So I guess I'm being kind of generous and saying she denied it.

00:45:39.320 She said some of what was reported was untrue.

00:45:42.380 And now she's out there opining that I guess John Dickerson needs to say at CBS and Scott

00:45:48.700 Jennings should not go to CBS because in her view, that's wrong.

00:45:52.180 And I'll just give you one more about this reporter.

00:45:54.300 Uh, we covered this when it happened.

00:45:56.120 Uh, this is May of 2024.

00:45:59.860 A few weeks ago, I had dinner with a few couples, friends of friends, all American, all were well

00:46:05.220 educated and successful in careers.

00:46:07.860 They seemed great exclamation point on the surface period for like an hour period, but

00:46:15.820 slowly over a few drinks, they began to let slip their MAGA natures.

00:46:22.720 And then she goes on.

00:46:24.160 Yeah.

00:46:24.600 As she goes on from there, she says, um, as it went on, my friends and I realized we

00:46:30.600 were surrounded by otherwise carefully closeted MAGAs.

00:46:34.680 It's funny how the extremist or just wrong beliefs can't help but leak out even when you

00:46:39.700 least expect them.

00:46:40.480 And from people you least expect this dinner continues to haunt me.

00:46:45.520 They all seemed so dot, dot, dot.

00:46:49.180 Normal.

00:46:50.040 When I asked the couple who are my old friends, how they didn't know, they said that in

00:46:54.500 their upscale Florida neighborhood, people are extremely careful not to ever broach or

00:46:59.260 debate the subject.

00:47:00.500 This is not healthy.

00:47:01.640 It's so picture perfect representative of our American media.

00:47:07.640 Walter.

00:47:09.320 Well, as a fraud herself, I'm surprised she can't see through frauds better.

00:47:14.440 Game knows game.

00:47:15.500 What she's really surprised by is that rich people who go to dinner could support Donald

00:47:21.180 Trump.

00:47:21.500 That's how they fooled her, you know, because what she's really admitting to is that not

00:47:27.560 only do I live in a bubble, I expect that everybody else in these neighborhoods and in

00:47:33.540 the kind of apartments where I eat dinner are also in my bubble.

00:47:37.620 And as a reporter, to act surprised like this shows you're not much of a reporter.

00:47:43.300 You just assume everybody of a certain social class thinks a certain way.

00:47:48.900 You never think to ask them questions.

00:47:51.680 You never find out who they actually are.

00:47:54.620 And then when they surprise you in all your prejudiced, stereotypical beliefs about the upper

00:48:00.440 middle class, you're shocked.

00:48:01.840 They were well-educated, she writes.

00:48:05.740 They were successful.

00:48:08.120 They seemed great.

00:48:10.880 They drove a BMW.

00:48:12.460 I didn't know BMW drivers could back Trump.

00:48:16.620 I mean, one of them went to Sarah Lawrence.

00:48:19.120 I didn't know you could go to Sarah Lawrence and back Trump.

00:48:22.660 Like, who is this person?

00:48:24.520 In other words, I just said that no one at CBS News has ever paddled a canoe.

00:48:29.200 Apparently nobody, or at least not her, has ever, you know, been to a mixed dinner party.

00:48:35.340 She just admitted that she never consorts with the enemy.

00:48:38.320 Yet she's supposed to tell us what goes on in America.

00:48:42.260 Shocking.

00:48:42.900 The shocking display of, of what, how did she put it?

00:48:46.720 Extreme intolerance.

00:48:47.820 What was it?

00:48:48.520 Oh, extremist or just wrong beliefs.

00:48:52.000 And the couple who are my friends, even they didn't know.

00:48:55.400 How did these people get here?

00:48:56.640 My God, who, who's manning the gate?

00:48:59.480 Well, in any event, it's no longer Michelle Kaczynski.

00:49:02.200 She narrated it like you were correct, like a vampire movie.

00:49:05.660 Suddenly they started sprouting fangs and I saw the blood dripping from their tongue.

00:49:11.940 You know, uh, what, did she say how she saved herself?

00:49:15.660 How she got out of there alive from this extreme?

00:49:18.360 No, I guess she just thought it would be appropriate to just go to Twitter

00:49:21.100 and rip on her new friends publicly in front of, you know, however many people saw.

00:49:26.740 Right.

00:49:26.980 That's the way you handle it.

00:49:28.180 Right.

00:49:28.440 Like you, you go to Twitter to resolve private disputes.

00:49:31.260 That's the classy above board way to do these things.

00:49:35.560 There's a famous quote from the film critic, Pauline Kael.

00:49:39.140 She couldn't figure out how, uh, uh, Richard Nixon got elected because nobody she knew voted

00:49:44.380 for him.

00:49:45.500 Um, yeah, that's from the 1970s.

00:49:48.920 This is the version.

00:49:50.120 This is the current version of that.

00:49:51.980 I don't see, you know, uh, how Donald Trump got elected because, you know, um, everybody

00:49:59.060 I know voted for, uh, for somebody else.

00:50:02.100 And I only find myself by surprise in the company of people who didn't.

00:50:06.580 And it shocks me that they even exist.

00:50:09.820 Somebody elected him, you know, you've, I'm sure you've been curating your social life

00:50:14.620 pretty carefully, but it was probably inevitable that one night you'd end up at dinner with one

00:50:19.600 of these people.

00:50:21.420 Here's, here's my final word on it.

00:50:23.500 Uh, Scott Jennings should not go from CNN to CBS news.

00:50:28.080 This is my hot take of the day.

00:50:30.360 He will be quickly rendered irrelevant because CBS news is irrelevant.

00:50:35.040 Um, 60 still has some sway, but other than that, they never make news for any reason.

00:50:39.800 And what made Scott Jennings a household name is his fiery debates over on CNN and being outnumbered

00:50:47.200 by everyone.

00:50:48.400 It's, it's like 10 to one and he can hold his own.

00:50:52.300 Um, they don't have a forum that is conducive to those kinds of debates on CBS.

00:50:56.880 And so while maybe he could make more money, maybe he thinks it's more prestigious.

00:51:00.680 It's not another, none of them is, um, he should stay right where he is because the one

00:51:05.440 thing he has at CNN is relevance since he's so much different than everyone else there.

00:51:10.320 Couldn't agree more.

00:51:11.440 He's smart, but they make him look really smart on CNN.

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00:53:07.960 The best way to honor Charlie's legacy is to be out here, to be unafraid, to not back down.

00:53:14.100 Stand firmly.

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00:53:31.540 Here with me today, Walter Kern.

00:53:33.520 He is editor-at-large for County Highway and co-host of America This Week podcast.

00:53:38.860 And I want to tell you, Walter will be joining me on the Megyn Kelly live tour.

00:53:42.920 He is with me on one of the most important nights we will have.

00:53:47.780 And that is November 22nd in Glendale, Arizona with Erica Kirk.

00:53:53.100 This is going to be a big night.

00:53:54.260 It's going to be the last night of the tour.

00:53:56.500 It's, I think it's almost sold out.

00:53:58.680 Last I checked, I told you this the other day, there were like a couple tickets left.

00:54:01.160 But I thought Walter would be the perfect compliment to Erica.

00:54:06.120 Just all the right gravitas, sensitivity, intelligence, emotional intelligence.

00:54:12.240 They don't go on together.

00:54:13.280 You know, we do one and then we do the other.

00:54:14.400 But I just think on a big, big night, there's no one I'd rather have with me.

00:54:18.380 And so you can check it out now.

00:54:20.940 Go to MegynKelley.com.

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00:54:24.920 So go now and check out what's available.

00:54:27.820 Walter, really looking forward to that for many reasons.

00:54:30.080 Thank you for having me.

00:54:31.000 I haven't been able to thank you personally.

00:54:33.020 What an honor.

00:54:34.000 And it's going to be a moving and important evening for us and for the country and for that community.

00:54:41.280 So I'm glad to be there.

00:54:43.340 Oh, thank you.

00:54:44.400 I'm like looking forward to it.

00:54:46.860 And I'm also feeling like that's an important one.

00:54:49.380 You know, like I got to make sure I do a good job that night.

00:54:52.580 I always worry about doing a good job.

00:54:54.020 But that one, I really can't screw up.

00:54:55.460 So I won't.

00:54:56.740 Okay.

00:54:58.640 I teased it at the beginning.

00:55:00.140 But as Stephen L. Miller on X put it, I'm afraid we've disappointed the Obamas again.

00:55:06.480 Once again, we haven't lived up to their high standards.

00:55:10.320 And we're essentially being called racist.

00:55:13.200 Here's Michelle Obama, who's promoting a new book on her special fashion and sat down with People magazine and said the following in Sot 26.

00:55:24.720 Hair as women of color, that the way our hair naturally grows out of our head is beautiful.

00:55:33.140 But if we struggle to make it look like the standard, that means we are spending thousands of hours and lots of money.

00:55:42.320 Straightening out what is naturally curly hair, right?

00:55:47.420 And that takes time out of your life.

00:55:50.400 It costs money.

00:55:51.980 Okay.

00:55:52.980 So what she's saying is she's bitter because society's standards, in her view, don't allow black women to just walk around with their natural hair. 1.00

00:56:05.360 That is bullshit. 1.00

00:56:07.240 Black women can walk around with whatever hair they want. 1.00

00:56:11.220 Only in Michelle Obama's warped mind do white people not like them unless their hair looks like white hair. 0.77

00:56:19.880 Anyway, and here's the other thing, the nerve, the nerve of this woman to pretend that black women are the only women who have to spend a bunch of time getting their natural hair to, quote, conform to these alleged society standards. 1.00

00:56:34.940 Because virtually every woman I know, every woman spends a shit ton of time on her hair and wants it to look better than God made it. 1.00

00:56:44.640 It's not a black thing.

00:56:46.320 It's a human thing.

00:56:47.860 And it's especially a woman thing. 1.00

00:56:49.700 But she's always reducing everything to race.

00:56:56.940 My hair naturally should be coming down to my shoulders.

00:57:00.980 I should have a mustache and a beard.

00:57:03.100 Why should I have to shave that off and cut it?

00:57:05.800 I mean, what oppressor is forcing that on me?

00:57:09.780 Sexism.

00:57:10.260 It shouldn't be gray either.

00:57:12.640 I should have to color it.

00:57:14.420 I've defied conventional standards by not doing so.

00:57:18.360 And also, thousands of dollars on your hair.

00:57:21.600 Well, how does she know?

00:57:22.820 I bet she spends tens of thousands, frankly. 0.93

00:57:26.200 I want to see her budget.

00:57:28.220 And why doesn't she let her hair grow out naturally? 1.00

00:57:31.680 It doesn't appear that it is.

00:57:34.600 She's talking about when she was first lady and how you remember this.

00:57:37.820 She said this at the time.

00:57:38.980 OK, I had my team pull this.

00:57:40.740 This is Michelle Obama in 2022 explaining why she didn't wear braids when she was first lady.

00:57:50.380 Watch.

00:57:50.600 As black women, we deal with it. 1.00

00:57:53.760 The whole thing about, do you show up with your natural hair?

00:57:57.180 You know, braids, y'all. 0.83

00:58:02.080 You know, but, but, you know, as first lady, I did not wear braids.

00:58:08.920 The first black. 0.97

00:58:10.500 Yeah, yeah.

00:58:11.640 We got to ease up on the people.

00:58:13.560 You know, just like, because I thought about it.

00:58:18.460 I was like, it would be easier.

00:58:22.960 Nope, nope, they're not ready.

00:58:25.480 They're not ready.

00:58:26.720 We couldn't handle it.

00:58:27.740 Actually, we would have accepted it.

00:58:29.640 You know what?

00:58:30.060 We would have been fine.

00:58:31.840 No one in America has.

00:58:32.640 No, we're not as fascinated by her as she thinks we are.

00:58:35.280 No one in America has their natural hair except for Dog the Bounty Hunter.

00:58:39.440 He has his natural hair.

00:58:41.380 Yeah.

00:58:41.560 The rest of us don't.

00:58:43.040 You definitely speak for me.

00:58:44.380 I do not have my natural hair either.

00:58:46.080 And it takes some effort to look like this.

00:58:48.440 Name that movie.

00:58:50.040 So this, like, who is she kidding herself that it's just a black thing? 0.98

00:58:53.440 Okay, if I went out there with my natural hair, I would look like a toddler, which is

00:58:57.960 why I don't.

00:58:59.880 But everything for her has to be.

00:59:01.780 She's oppressed. 0.57

00:59:02.640 She has it harder than we do.

00:59:05.280 I had to pay for my daughter's tickets on my own airplane that we didn't even know she 0.98

00:59:10.260 got as first lady.

00:59:11.560 She did not even realize the first lady has her own airplane, but she told us that. 0.88

00:59:15.820 And here's the one, I think this is actually the one that Stephen L. Miller was laughing

00:59:19.560 about.

00:59:20.840 Here's, okay, hold on a second.

00:59:23.460 Here, listen to this.

00:59:25.340 How they, they didn't get the grace that other first families do when they took over as first

00:59:32.440 family, Walter.

00:59:33.620 Give you one guess why.

00:59:35.600 Watch this.

00:59:36.060 You said we were all too aware that as a first black couple, we couldn't afford any

00:59:43.500 missteps.

00:59:44.220 Yeah. 0.85

00:59:44.360 And you also say, as a black woman, I was under a particularly white, hot glare.

00:59:50.840 Did you feel that? 1.00

00:59:51.480 Shut up. 1.00

00:59:52.080 For sure. 1.00

00:59:52.740 You can't afford to get anything wrong because you didn't get the, at least until the country 0.89

00:59:57.800 came to know us.

00:59:59.580 We didn't get the grace that I think some other families have gotten.

01:00:03.900 Now, don't get me wrong.

01:00:05.760 Every first lady faces the kind of scrutiny. 0.87

01:00:09.860 Every woman in the public eye faces a certain level of scrutiny because of her physical appearance. 0.90

01:00:15.840 I mean, we live in a culture, sadly, where, you know, if somebody wants to go after a woman,

01:00:21.440 the first thing they do is go after our looks, our size, our physical being as a way to, you

01:00:28.500 know, make us feel small, to keep us in place.

01:00:31.540 Yes.

01:00:33.680 Okay.

01:00:34.960 She's still complaining about the white house.

01:00:38.420 It's exactly the opposite of what she said.

01:00:40.880 She got more grace.

01:00:42.440 She could have done, she could have done almost anything.

01:00:46.320 And does she not forget?

01:00:48.240 She had just been elected by a majority.

01:00:50.480 We'd just shown that we approved of her.

01:00:52.960 We did know her.

01:00:54.160 We elected her.

01:00:55.760 America had put her in the white house. 0.72

01:00:58.040 Well, the same America that wasn't going to allow her any grace, what they put her in

01:01:03.480 the white house as a joke to trip her up. 0.99

01:01:05.760 This is ridiculous. 0.98

01:01:07.360 None of it happened. 0.99

01:01:08.760 What is she talking about?

01:01:10.880 Yeah.

01:01:11.280 No, everything is a grievance with this woman and the nerve to be like, oh, we didn't get

01:01:16.500 as much grace.

01:01:17.320 They were on every magazine cover.

01:01:20.820 They were treated like Camelot reincarnate.

01:01:24.700 Everybody celebrated them.

01:01:27.020 Left the right wing media.

01:01:29.440 Even the right wing media gave them like a nod, a pass or like, okay, the first black president,

01:01:34.380 first black first lady.

01:01:35.640 They were nice about it.

01:01:36.840 They didn't like his policies, but they were nice to them.

01:01:39.120 They were universally celebrated.

01:01:41.600 And now she was, oh, we weren't given the grace of the whites. 0.82

01:01:45.260 That's basically what she's saying.

01:01:47.560 The grace.

01:01:49.020 What is she talking about?

01:01:50.680 In other words, she acts like she was persecuted after becoming first lady of the United States.

01:01:57.820 That is the greatest honor so far short of female president that can go to a woman and 0.99

01:02:05.180 to her husband.

01:02:06.440 And America did that. 0.55

01:02:08.600 And that was an act of persecution.

01:02:10.540 Even electing you president won't get you off our case.

01:02:15.960 What?

01:02:16.240 No.

01:02:16.540 What do we have to do to get you off our case?

01:02:19.920 No, she's still pissed about her imaginary hair rules. 1.00

01:02:24.160 She mentioned it again on, let me see.

01:02:29.700 Is it, is it SOT 21, you guys, the new one?

01:02:32.480 Yeah, I'm trying to find it.

01:02:33.560 Yeah, it's SOT 21.

01:02:34.500 Here she is again.

01:02:35.220 More on the hair.

01:02:35.920 This is with Robin Roberts.

01:02:36.800 That was intentional.

01:02:41.960 But it was like having me, the former first lady, a black woman, show up in the world in

01:02:50.060 her natural hair, even if I didn't do it for those eight years, I understood the importance

01:02:55.360 of doing it at some point and signaling a message to young girls and to professionals out there.

01:03:01.620 Stay out of our hair, you know, we're just trying to get to work and do it fast and efficiently. 0.97

01:03:08.500 Don't tell a black woman how to wear her hair. 1.00

01:03:11.640 How I wear my hair should be my choice. 0.85

01:03:14.500 And it shouldn't be illegal.

01:03:16.320 It shouldn't be something that can't be done if you're part of the military.

01:03:21.200 Illegal.

01:03:22.420 Megan, they're both sitting there with straightened hair.

01:03:25.820 What's going on?

01:03:27.420 Are they trying to drive us crazy?

01:03:30.080 Yes, it shouldn't be illegal.

01:03:32.740 And what? 0.93

01:03:33.040 Oh, so it's a black woman who you can't tell how to wear her hair. 1.00

01:03:35.660 Can you tell the white women? 1.00

01:03:36.840 How about the Asians? 0.91

01:03:38.300 The Indian women.

01:03:39.320 How about Indian women? 1.00

01:03:40.080 They have very thick hair.

01:03:41.520 A lot of times it's curly.

01:03:42.740 It gets unruly.

01:03:43.840 I'm sure they have to do the irons. 1.00

01:03:45.440 Just like you, Michelle.

01:03:46.760 Just like white women do, too. 1.00

01:03:48.700 By the way, I've burned my hair down to high heavens with those irons. 1.00

01:03:53.280 Like, who is she fucking kidding? 0.98

01:03:55.220 Everything. 0.99

01:03:55.620 Everything is about poor, boo-fucking-hoo Michelle Obama, and especially when you get around the topic of race. 0.99

01:04:03.540 It's nonstop. 0.98

01:04:05.580 Megan, you know why I think they're doing this?

01:04:07.960 Because they're trying to convince young people that something is true that the young people don't realize has always been true.

01:04:15.380 Okay, in other words, I have a store nearby me that says, we accept all people.

01:04:21.940 We accept people of all colors and so on.

01:04:24.400 And it's a big sign in the front of the store.

01:04:26.960 And I want to tell young people, you know, even before stores had those signs, they still accepted all people.

01:04:34.020 They're making it seem like there was some past that was terrible.

01:04:37.900 Well, you know what?

01:04:39.460 They're trying to convince young people now that there was some persecution of her and her husband that never happened.

01:04:47.580 It didn't happen.

01:04:48.920 If you're starting to vote now and you don't remember what it was like in 2008, that was a long time ago now.

01:04:57.020 You can have this revisionist history that they faced persecution.

01:05:02.080 And I think they're actually trying to convince people who weren't there.

01:05:04.060 You are so on to something.

01:05:05.380 You're so on to something.

01:05:06.100 Because here's more from the People Magazine article right up that alley.

01:05:09.660 Listen to Sot 25.

01:05:11.760 The othering that took place of you while you were in the office, when that did get through to you, how did you cope?

01:05:21.940 How did you manage?

01:05:23.340 I mean, I took it for what it was. 0.94

01:05:25.420 It was pure hypocrisy.

01:05:29.200 You know, I mean, we're just straight up kind of what do you not look at history?

01:05:34.100 You know, I could pull up pictures of Jackie O in a second and see this fashion icon in sleeveless dresses as First Lady. 1.00

01:05:42.640 At a point, you're like, oh, this is this is politics.

01:05:45.940 This is, you know, if you can't beat them, make everybody scared of them.

01:05:51.220 How often were we called unpresidential?

01:05:54.680 How many ways were we were were our opponents trying to make us make the country feel that we were not suitable for this job, even when we had it?

01:06:09.780 This never happened.

01:06:12.960 And yet it does happen to Donald Trump and Melania Trump all the time.

01:06:20.600 Of course it does.

01:06:22.080 He's the one who's called unpresidential.

01:06:24.360 They're trying to assume all the persecution that's ever happened to other people besides them because they are one of the most golden couples in American history.

01:06:34.260 They made movies about their courtship.

01:06:37.440 Has there been a movie yet about when Donald met Melania?

01:06:41.620 Well, I was once staying at the Bowery Hotel in New York City and a bunch of people were filming a movie out front.

01:06:47.780 I said, what's this movie about?

01:06:48.960 And they said, this is about when Michelle and Barack first met and first dated.

01:06:54.520 Nobody got.

01:06:55.540 Did George Bush get that with the Barbara Bush dating period?

01:06:59.460 No one's had that treatment.

01:07:02.240 These are some of the most privileged, pampered, wealthy Martha's Vineyard residents, plus their other houses residents in America.

01:07:12.000 And they're acting like they had to cross a Ku Klux Klan, you know, line of hooded cross burners to get into the White House.

01:07:23.060 We elected them.

01:07:24.000 And still, like, to this day, it's incredible.

01:07:28.340 And to have the nerve of Barack Obama to be out there on the campaign trail in New Jersey and Virginia saying, oh, the Republicans, they're obsessed with DEI.

01:07:36.200 They think DEI is responsible for everything.

01:07:38.160 You know, why are they so focused on DEI and dividing people?

01:07:41.200 You, you, sir, and your wife are the ones who are focused on DEI and dividing people.

01:07:46.840 You see everything through a racial prism.

01:07:49.960 Everything. 0.99

01:07:50.620 It's ridiculous. 0.80

01:07:51.220 I got news for you, Michelle Obama. 0.99

01:07:53.360 White women have to pat the weave, too. 1.00

01:07:55.840 It is not just a black thing anymore. 0.73

01:07:58.420 So there.

01:07:59.400 OK, let's keep going, because while we're on the subject of women in the news who are famous and lie, I just have to show this.

01:08:07.180 Did you watch the World Series the other night?

01:08:09.780 No, unfortunately, I was giving a speech, so I couldn't see it.

01:08:12.860 I haven't.

01:08:13.500 Well, I don't watch sports.

01:08:14.560 I don't know anything about sports.

01:08:16.300 I don't watch sports.

01:08:17.440 I, you know, I'm an ignoramus when it comes to sports, but it was game seven.

01:08:21.920 So my, my, my son's headed on.

01:08:25.100 And it kept going and going and going.

01:08:26.760 It was going so late, but I kept saying, I'm going to bed now.

01:08:29.640 No, next inning, bottom, bottom of the ninth, I'm going.

01:08:32.420 No, I stayed up for the whole thing.

01:08:33.700 And it turned out the L.A. Dodgers won, which I was very happy to see, because why would I be rooting for the Canadians in a match against Americans?

01:08:41.300 I was rooting for the Americans.

01:08:43.160 And it was very happy they won.

01:08:44.360 And I thought it was really crazy.

01:08:45.820 Like the last couple of innings were great, where they had the catcher.

01:08:50.200 First, there was the Rojas on the on the Dodgers who had a home run to tie it up 4-4. 0.95

01:08:55.320 And they'd been down 3-0, the Dodgers had.

01:08:57.960 They inched their way back.

01:08:59.120 They Rojas ties it up. 0.99

01:09:00.180 Now it's 4-4.

01:09:01.840 And then the catcher hits a homer in the 10th inning to put the Dodgers up 5-4.

01:09:09.120 And then they played great defense in the bottom of the 10th to win the thing.

01:09:12.840 It was great.

01:09:13.320 It was truly like out of a movie.

01:09:14.620 It was thrilling, just as even a non-sports fan.

01:09:18.980 And one thing I didn't try to do, though, was try to pretend that this was my team, that it was, you know, a moment that brought me to my feet, cheering with tears,

01:09:29.320 because I'm a normal person who doesn't try to do that when I'm not like an avowed sports fan, right?

01:09:36.200 You know who else is in my same camp?

01:09:38.680 Megan Markle, who is not a big tweeter or promoter or anything as far as I can tell about sports at all,

01:09:47.700 though she is originally from someplace out in California.

01:09:50.860 And she, I mean, just weirdly, I was sitting there in my family room, Walter.

01:09:57.000 By this point, it was just me and my oldest child, who's 16, because it was late.

01:10:00.900 It was like midnight when they won.

01:10:02.860 Weirdly, I did not have a camera on us.

01:10:05.520 I wasn't ready to film us on the winning moment.

01:10:10.720 My eyes, as my son's eyes, were focused on the television, because that was what was interesting.

01:10:17.180 But weirdly, Megan Markle just happened to have herself on camera, along with Prince Harry, at the moment, and shared this little gem with us.

01:10:29.660 Oh, my God!

01:10:40.720 Oh, my God!

01:10:45.480 Poor Harry.

01:10:48.600 Poor Harry.

01:10:53.920 Is that their security camera that they turned on?

01:11:00.500 It didn't look like anybody was actually filming.

01:11:02.780 That looked like automatic coverage.

01:11:04.640 Yeah, so what they did was go back and check their security camera for a bit of themselves, and then posted it.

01:11:14.200 That whole reaction was as authentic as those Lauren Sanchez boobs we talked about earlier.

01:11:19.780 Whoa.

01:11:20.180 Well, you know, I would have liked to see the Dodgers lose, just to see what they would have, you know, done.

01:11:27.840 It would have been crying, weeping, pulling their hair out.

01:11:31.140 It would have been the Queen. 0.77

01:11:32.020 Remember, she cried the single tear at the Queen's funeral, who she helped kill, in my view.

01:11:36.820 At least the guy didn't pretend to be an American. 0.99

01:11:39.160 He's been doing a lot of pretending to be an American, or being a British person who has something to say.

01:11:44.980 Was that him sitting in the chair?

01:11:47.640 Was that him in the chair?

01:11:48.620 He did go to the game wearing an L.A. Dodgers hat, so, I mean, I don't give him a full pass, because he's still pretending.

01:11:54.560 But he looked like a hostage there.

01:11:57.020 I mean, you really kind of wanted to have King Charles send in some, the equivalent of the Navy SEALs, into Montecito to go rescue the prince.

01:12:06.620 Well, Megan, he didn't know that that was going to be released worldwide.

01:12:11.620 That's true.

01:12:11.720 He thought he was in his own home, just, you know, with his kooky wife and her friend, and he didn't have any reason to behave.

01:12:21.100 He must be so pissed right now.

01:12:23.340 Wait, you released that?

01:12:25.060 What? I had a chance to get up and hug you and go, wow, yeah, but I didn't know we were going to use our home security footage as a big time.

01:12:35.880 Tell me next time.

01:12:38.060 She never misses an opportunity to make it about herself.

01:12:43.240 Like, truly, even, I was happy for the Dodgers, like I said.

01:12:46.300 I would never think what I should do is make this about me and myself, as opposed to the Dodgers, you numbskull. 0.97

01:12:55.860 But she's, I mean, she parachuted into Uvalde, where a bunch of children were murdered and made sure she got caught by those cameras.

01:13:05.100 Then, just a couple weeks ago, caught going past the spot where Princess Diana was so brutally killed in that terrible car crash with her bare feet swinging in the car without a care in the world and the music playing.

01:13:19.020 Link Lauren calls her a disaster tourist, and she is.

01:13:22.740 And now she peppers it here with, see, there I am.

01:13:26.580 It's all about me and my joy because I swear I'm authentic.

01:13:30.840 I'm a Californian.

01:13:32.380 I love the Dodgers just like normal people, even though I'm firing or at least losing my 10th publicist right now, literally days earlier in the news because I bully everyone.

01:13:41.500 Her husband must, if he is not angry as hell right now, and that he even allowed that to come out is actually troubling because it didn't make him look particularly good, except that he wasn't part of the hysteria.

01:13:58.540 But to allow your home security footage with you in it to be released publicly by your wife so that she can get a few points as a Dodgers fan.

01:14:07.160 Dude, I hate to use the word cocked.

01:14:10.380 I never use the word cocked, but that's cocked.

01:14:13.360 Yeah.

01:14:14.100 Yeah.

01:14:14.400 Well, I think we've known that about Harry for quite some time.

01:14:17.140 I got to keep going because I don't want to waste a second of your time.

01:14:20.040 Last week, we played a soundbite of Kamala Harris sitting down with ABC, but not this ABC, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, and a journalist there named Sarah Ferguson.

01:14:32.060 And it was great because Sarah Ferguson would not allow Kamala to dodge. 1.00

01:14:35.920 She asked the question, like, don't you think it was Joe Biden's frailties and, like, his inability to be honest about them that really cost you in your abbreviated race?

01:14:45.540 Like, don't you think that undermined you?

01:14:47.840 And Kamala dodged, tried to blame it on Trump, and Sarah was like, that's a world pivot dodge. 1.00

01:14:53.440 But the question was about Joe Biden.

01:14:55.480 Kamala looked confused.

01:14:56.420 She looked kind of angry.

01:14:57.980 And it didn't go well for Kamala.

01:14:59.760 Well, after the fact, that ABC released new tape of what happened when the interview ended.

01:15:10.800 And what you're about to hear is a Kamala Harris staffer ending it.

01:15:16.400 Listen here.

01:15:17.000 Watch.

01:15:17.440 Sadi.

01:15:17.640 I want to come back to the book and the purpose of the book.

01:15:21.980 This is the last question.

01:15:22.960 We're at time.

01:15:23.960 We've got to go.

01:15:24.560 Sorry.

01:15:25.360 Yep.

01:15:26.040 Well, that's almost a first.

01:15:27.100 Not an absolute first.

01:15:28.200 But to have a member of staff of the former Vice President of the United States actually speak up during the interview to say that we were going too long.

01:15:35.040 I didn't expect that.

01:15:36.060 But coming back to the interview itself, it seems to me at its very heart, there is a reluctance on the part of Kamala Harris to actually spell out and talk about the issues that Joe Biden had as president.

01:15:51.220 Can you imagine wanting to be leader of the free world and letting your staff jump in to save you during a tough interview?

01:16:00.260 Well, I mean, it makes you wonder who the leader of the free world is, if it's really the president of the United States anymore.

01:16:11.240 We know that with Joe Biden that it wasn't.

01:16:13.840 You know, we know that some distant ghost was directing that auto pen.

01:16:18.540 I guess by the time she came along, it wasn't embarrassing because the guy that she'd worked for had been having his staff wheel him in and out of the room.

01:16:27.540 I mean, that was the norm by the time Kamala came along. 0.92

01:16:32.360 And she looked like a dog that was confused because it was getting conflicting orders. 0.75

01:16:40.340 You know what I mean?

01:16:41.880 Yes.

01:16:43.060 Do I go on the newspaper or do I go on the rug?

01:16:46.380 You know, because she didn't even have an answer. 0.93

01:16:52.580 She wasn't mad at the staff member.

01:16:54.520 She looked completely buffaloed. 0.61

01:16:57.940 I feel sorry for her.

01:16:59.540 Who wrote her book, by the way?

01:17:01.040 Did she really write it?

01:17:02.560 I mean, she's on a book tour in which her whole reason that she was there was to answer that question, basically.

01:17:11.200 Yes.

01:17:11.680 And that kind of question.

01:17:13.680 She wrote a book.

01:17:14.920 It's not like they, you know, parachuted in with some adversarial, you know, interview.

01:17:21.980 She's out there and she can't even judge, you know, how to respond.

01:17:28.840 She has to have somebody else do it.

01:17:30.700 That is proof positive that we didn't just dodge a bullet.

01:17:33.680 We dodged a nuclear bomb.

01:17:35.980 Yeah.

01:17:36.500 And you know what's so amazing, Walter, is like, of course, what she should have done, Kamala, was to say, I'll decide when it's over.

01:17:44.120 Finish your question, Sarah.

01:17:46.320 We're good.

01:17:46.900 You know, like, she doesn't have the presence or the confidence to do that. 0.85

01:17:50.260 And more than that, she was grateful for the lifeline.

01:17:55.580 She was like, oh, God, I guess I'll show.

01:17:58.520 Let me just show the earlier exchange.

01:18:00.380 This is why she was grateful for the lifeline.

01:18:03.980 Here's what had happened just a bit earlier in Sop 9.

01:18:08.740 Wasn't Joe Biden meant to put it on him?

01:18:10.600 Wasn't his refusal to recognize his own frailties the reason that you faced a nearly impossible task?

01:18:18.060 I ran against Donald Trump for president, and Donald Trump ran on a platform that was in large part, I believe, misrepresenting his intentions to the American people.

01:18:34.240 I do believe that there are a fair number of people that voted for Donald Trump who believed him when he told them that his first priority on day one is going to be to bring down prices.

01:18:46.320 And he didn't.

01:18:47.300 And you combine that misrepresentation of intention with also what was at play in terms of massive amounts of mis- and disinformation.

01:18:58.720 Now, forgive me.

01:18:59.960 And a truncated calendar in terms of the clock.

01:19:03.460 I want to interrupt you because that is a world-class pivot, but it is not the question that I asked you, which is about Joe Biden's failure to recognize his own frailties and what that did to you.

01:19:15.640 The question is about Joe Biden.

01:19:17.960 Are you still reluctant to criticize the former president?

01:19:21.220 In what regard, please?

01:19:22.200 Well, just in terms of that question.

01:19:23.980 The regard I just said.

01:19:25.040 What exactly would you like to ask?

01:19:26.600 Be more specific if you don't mind.

01:19:29.180 I already did that.

01:19:30.220 It's like you could see her flailing. 0.92

01:19:32.680 And so it doesn't that just set up perfectly what we just saw?

01:19:35.140 She was afraid, Walter.

01:19:37.340 There were two massive frauds committed on us this time last year.

01:19:41.600 The Joe Biden is mentally acute fraud and the fraud that this woman could do the job. 0.99

01:19:47.560 And that and that's why the aide stepped in, because she was in a trap right there, because the premise of the question was that she knew he was he was frail.

01:19:58.840 And she's never really said that.

01:20:00.920 You know what I mean?

01:20:01.720 She she would to say, yeah, that was a problem for me would have been to admit the premise that he was in terrible shape and she's never done that.

01:20:12.060 And she can't do it.

01:20:13.380 And you know what's scary about that whole interview?

01:20:15.800 She thinks she can still run for office. 1.00

01:20:18.400 She's still trying to save her reputation, obviously, for later. 0.99

01:20:23.600 She thinks that she has a future in politics.

01:20:26.460 That's why they're handling her that way.

01:20:30.840 We'll see.

01:20:31.900 I hope she's right.

01:20:33.080 I really do.

01:20:33.740 I hope she's right.

01:20:34.500 She has a future in politics and she's going to go for it.

01:20:39.160 Godspeed.

01:20:39.840 Godspeed.

01:20:40.700 Walter Kern, always a pleasure, my friend.

01:20:42.580 See you soon.

01:20:43.740 We'll see you soon.

01:20:45.320 OK, up next, we're going to take a deep dive into lawfare, specifically involving Letitia James.

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01:24:26.780 As we've been telling you, on October 9th, the Department of Justice indicted New York State's Democratic Attorney General Letitia James on one count of bank fraud and one count of false statements to a financial institution.

01:24:40.580 Ms. James is accused of illegally obtaining favorable terms for a mortgage in Norfolk, Virginia, that she described in her application as a second residence, a second home, when the feds say she actually used it as a rental investment property.

01:24:58.080 Left-leaning outlets have published article after article after article describing the case as incredibly weak.

01:25:06.280 Some examples.

01:25:07.620 ABC News on October 23rd.

01:25:09.420 Quote, evidence appears to undercut claims against Letitia James.

01:25:12.380 Prosecutors found sources.

01:25:14.720 Political, October 29th.

01:25:17.420 Three words in Letitia James's mortgage contract could doom the fraud case against her. 0.98

01:25:22.580 And on it goes.

01:25:25.460 Here's what I want to tell you.

01:25:27.840 I said to my team, let's find out if there is anyone, anyone supporting this indictment, anyone defending it.

01:25:36.620 I'm a lawyer.

01:25:37.240 I like to see both sides.

01:25:38.040 I couldn't find a single one.

01:25:40.560 I'll show you.

01:25:41.120 I'm going to put on the board the search results that I got, both when I did an independent Google search and when I went to chat GPT.

01:25:48.220 I looked and looked and looked.

01:25:49.160 I couldn't find anything. 0.89

01:25:50.280 And I said to my team, this is ridiculous.

01:25:52.480 So I asked one of my top producers, former lawyer, former practicing lawyer, current lawyer still, we all are, see if you can find one.

01:26:01.820 And he came up with one guy.

01:26:04.200 And the reason we found this one guy is because he was being dumped on by the non-lawyers over at lawfare.com.

01:26:11.560 They decided this one man who wrote an attempt to take an honest look at this, well, he's a fraudster. 0.62

01:26:18.320 He's a convicted fraudster.

01:26:19.580 So we can't, we can't listen to him.

01:26:21.360 Okay, now, he's the one guy who's actually looking into this saying the mainstream media has it all wrong and that Tish James is in big trouble.

01:26:30.560 And his name is Sam Antar.

01:26:33.280 His site is whitecollarfraud.com.

01:26:36.320 And Mr. Antar has quite an interesting background.

01:26:38.500 He's now a financial fraud investigator, but previously he helped mastermind one of the largest security frauds of the 1980s when he was CFO of Crazy Eddie, Inc.

01:26:49.700 You remember the Crazy Eddie commercials?

01:26:50.920 Crazy Eddie.

01:26:52.040 Oh, he was the CFO and he was defrauding investors out of over $500 million, which he admits.

01:26:57.220 As he writes on his website, yes, I'm a convicted felon.

01:27:00.220 That's why I know fraud when I see it.

01:27:03.320 Sam joins me now.

01:27:04.240 Sam, hi.

01:27:04.700 Thanks for being here.

01:27:05.740 This is very interesting.

01:27:06.640 I thought your analysis was very probative and helped me start asking the right questions.

01:27:12.140 And as you point out in your piece online, there's a reason you knew where to look and how to determine for yourself whether there might be fire where this smoke is here.

01:27:22.240 So just walk us through how this came to you in your first analysis.

01:27:26.780 First of all, I was looking into a lot of politicians in New York City, and I happened upon Letitia James.

01:27:34.700 And one of the things I was looking at were her financial records that she had given to New York State.

01:27:41.460 And on her financial records in 2020, she purchases his home in Virginia on Peroni Avenue, 321 Peroni Avenue.

01:27:50.460 Then all of a sudden, it showed no mortgage in 2020, no mortgage in 2021, and no mortgage in 2022.

01:27:59.800 All of a sudden, in 2023, two mortgages pop up on that property, and the value of those mortgages exceeded the value that she stated on her financial disclosures.

01:28:13.820 And as a forensic accountant, you take their word and you use it against them.

01:28:18.420 So it said $400,000 approximately worth of mortgages, and it said $150,000 value.

01:28:27.080 Her declarations, her signature, not me, her.

01:28:31.800 So what's the first red flag?

01:28:33.960 Wow, two mortgages exceeding the value of the property by more than double.

01:28:38.120 So as a result, I ordered a title report.

01:28:44.100 And what I found in the title report surprised me.

01:28:47.840 The title report included a mortgage from when she purchased the property in 2020.

01:28:53.500 It's called the OVM mortgage.

01:28:55.700 And that mortgage was never disclosed in her financial disclosures to New York State.

01:29:01.020 The two mortgages that were disclosed in her financial disclosures to New York State, they weren't on the property report.

01:29:09.440 So I call up the county clerk's office.

01:29:12.200 They're invisible.

01:29:13.080 I call them phantom mortgages or unrecorded mortgages.

01:29:17.400 So you have two things.

01:29:18.820 You have two unrecorded mortgages exceeding the value of the property by more than double.

01:29:23.120 And you have one mortgage that was never disclosed when she purchased the property.

01:29:30.720 And the mortgage, all mortgages have to be disclosed.

01:29:34.300 So what's going on here?

01:29:35.760 So then I read the mortgage contract.

01:29:38.640 You know, it's a progression.

01:29:40.500 And I look at the mortgage contract and she purchases it as a second home. 0.65

01:29:46.780 This is for the Peroni property in Norfolk, Virginia.

01:29:49.220 Yeah, in Norfolk, Virginia.

01:29:52.260 So the first thing I do is I look at, it's a second home, fine.

01:29:57.660 I'm going to look at the disclosure of the property.

01:30:00.560 She says it's an investment property.

01:30:02.540 An investment property is different.

01:30:04.180 And just to be clear, where does she say it's an investment property?

01:30:08.340 Every public official in New York State has to file a financial disclosure listing their assets, their liabilities, their income, and so on.

01:30:17.200 So on her financial disclosure, when she lists this property, she lists it as an investment property.

01:30:24.600 She says in the first year that her income from the property was $1,000 to $5,000.

01:30:31.640 But on the mortgage itself, it said it was a second home.

01:30:38.040 And those two things cannot be the same thing?

01:30:40.360 A second home cannot be an investment property?

01:30:42.040 But it cannot be the same thing.

01:30:42.860 Because if you're buying it as a second home, it's a different underwriting standard than if you are buying it as an investment property.

01:30:50.900 The liability insurance is different, the property insurance is different, and also the banks will look at it differently and underwrite it differently and require a higher down payment and or a higher interest rate.

01:31:06.300 If it's an investment property.

01:31:08.080 If it's a second home, they'll give you a little bit better deal because they think you're going to live in it, right?

01:31:12.540 Like you get the best deal on your primary home, you get the next best deal on your secondary home,

01:31:17.080 and you get probably the worst deal on an investment home because that's the one you're least likely to pay if you fall on hard times.

01:31:23.440 And none of this, none of this, by the way, is in the media coverage.

01:31:26.920 It's all ignored.

01:31:28.980 It's kind of like, you know, they don't want to know the truth.

01:31:32.320 This is in the media coverage.

01:31:33.880 Everything that I do in my blog is in black and white, okay?

01:31:38.220 I've linked to every single document.

01:31:40.520 It's all public domain.

01:31:42.700 If I screw up, it's only because Letitia James screwed up. 1.00

01:31:46.240 In other words, I rely exclusively on what she did and what she represented.

01:31:51.840 So you have red flag number one.

01:31:56.240 Next red flag is the media coverage of the indictment, okay?

01:32:01.880 All of a sudden, they're saying it's a weak case.

01:32:04.260 It's never been brought before.

01:32:05.600 So I'm going to bring you two specific cases.

01:32:08.380 One is a Supreme Court case called the United States versus Wells.

01:32:12.620 And one of the things they said was, is that, you know, it doesn't, you know, it doesn't involve a lot of money.

01:32:19.900 The bank didn't rely on it, whatever.

01:32:21.920 The United States versus Wells specifically says, okay, that reliance by the bank on a false declaration is irrelevant.

01:32:31.900 Damage to the bank on a false declaration is irrelevant.

01:32:39.260 The only thing that's relevant is the false declaration.

01:32:43.780 And the United States and the United States versus Muhammad brought a very similar case on that.

01:32:48.780 But they say there was never a case brought.

01:32:50.940 By the way, by the way, not for nothing, Sam, but that's the exact argument she was making against Donald Trump a few months ago in the case she brought against him for alleged fraud against a bank who wasn't complaining.

01:33:07.560 She's very familiar with that legal principle.

01:33:10.140 No offense to Donald Trump.

01:33:11.300 I don't even like him.

01:33:12.400 And I don't really care about that case.

01:33:14.760 I am a forensic accountant focusing on this case.

01:33:17.980 So to me, it's totally irrelevant.

01:33:20.120 I hate when these pundits bring up these other stuff and they say, no, this is this case.

01:33:28.180 The evidence is there.

01:33:29.720 The documents were signed by her.

01:33:31.640 Now, they miss a lot of things that are in the indictment, okay?

01:33:37.760 And they probably purposely does.

01:33:39.660 For instance, nobody mentions paragraph nine of the indictment.

01:33:43.720 That is the insurance clause.

01:33:46.060 She said that she was going to occupy the property.

01:33:51.600 Well, guess what?

01:33:52.640 There's a Schedule E on paragraph 10 of the indictment that says that she took no personal days on the property.

01:34:03.460 Wait, hold the roll.

01:34:04.360 Slow your roll.

01:34:05.660 Stand by.

01:34:06.160 I want to walk the audience through this because the language is, it's right there, black and white, and we can just, we can read it.

01:34:12.480 What exactly she promised in the second home rider clause that you looked up, that this is what she promised in getting the mortgage.

01:34:24.060 Okay, go ahead.

01:34:54.060 Realizing on the, including short-term rentals, which we'll get to in a minute.

01:34:57.500 But there's another, there's another piece of the same paragraph, which you've been calling attention to, where she says,

01:35:03.320 I also promise to keep the property available primarily as a residence for my personal use and enjoyment for at least one year.

01:35:14.180 These are all legal terms of art.

01:35:17.800 My personal use and enjoyment.

01:35:20.520 Personal use and enjoyment has meaning in the law, and we're going to get to what that means.

01:35:26.540 Here's a hint.

01:35:27.280 It does not mean you never, ever go, and you just let your weird cousin or third grandniece use it.

01:35:33.480 Go ahead.

01:35:33.820 You take it now, Sam.

01:35:34.560 And it's contradicted, okay, by our own disclosures to the Internal Revenue Service.

01:35:41.140 Okay, but wait, wait, wait, wait, but I'm just, I'm trying to keep it super simple so everybody can follow because you have very sophisticated analysis.

01:35:46.980 Can we start with the promise that she will occupy and use the property as her second home?

01:35:53.460 Did she live up to that?

01:35:55.380 No.

01:35:55.620 And what they're trying to say, well, it didn't allow short-term rentals.

01:35:59.540 Well, it wasn't a short-term rental.

01:36:02.200 It was fully occupied every day by a family member.

01:36:09.060 She can't tell the IRS one thing and tell the bank another thing.

01:36:14.720 That's illegal.

01:36:15.960 That's perjury.

01:36:17.400 That is brought.

01:36:18.600 But now, even the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac basically says when you're talking about primarily, it has to be more than 183 days or more a year.

01:36:34.480 Now, just to be clear, you're jumping down to that second part of the paragraph that I read where she promised to keep the property available primarily as a residence for my personal use and enjoyment for at least one year.

01:36:46.980 So now we're looking into, well, what does that mean?

01:36:49.100 Did she do that? 1.00

01:36:50.400 Did she keep it available for her personal use and enjoyment for at least one year?

01:36:54.480 Go ahead.

01:36:56.140 Well, if she did, then she committed income tax evasion.

01:36:59.220 She took depreciation deductions that she wasn't supposed to take.

01:37:02.740 She took all kinds of expenses that she wasn't supposed to declare on a tax return.

01:37:08.580 So you choose.

01:37:09.720 You want to be a tax evader or you want to be a mortgage fraudster.

01:37:12.600 And the reason she was able to take those tax deductions was because to the IRS, she listed it as an investment property and she she deducted expenses that she incurred as a result of the property. 0.95

01:37:24.580 And she disclosed some of those payments she got from the family, like for for utilities and so on to the IRS.

01:37:32.600 So you're saying none of that supports her using it primarily as a residence for her personal use and enjoyment for at least one year.

01:37:40.780 Yes. So to summarize, her schedule that she files with the IRS says zero personal days.

01:37:48.180 OK, she says on her mortgage application and on her mortgage that she's going to be the primary resident.

01:37:56.120 Both cannot be true.

01:37:57.220 Now, there's another dimension of income tax return because it's going to be superseding indictments.

01:38:02.700 What your audience doesn't understand, she didn't commit mortgage fraud on one property.

01:38:06.340 She committed it on three properties over a period of 42 years.

01:38:11.180 There's a pattern here and that pattern is admissible even if they don't bring the other two cases, which I believe they will.

01:38:17.980 OK, now on schedule E.

01:38:21.140 OK, if you are renting it to a relative, which she says she did.

01:38:25.420 Right.

01:38:26.040 And she's claiming now that the relative was paying under fair market value.

01:38:30.960 Right.

01:38:32.380 Yeah.

01:38:32.640 Then $7,000 over a year is definitely not fair amount.

01:38:36.780 Fair value in Norfolk.

01:38:38.280 Right.

01:38:39.140 It's definitely not fair value in Norfolk.

01:38:41.620 Then she's got another problem because if you're renting it to a relative on the market value, the difference between the real market value and the amount that you're receiving is taxable, is taxable income to you.

01:38:55.500 It's there's there's no way out for her. 0.96

01:38:59.380 And that's what people don't understand.

01:39:01.360 Wait, it's not taxable income to Tish.

01:39:03.340 Wouldn't it be taxable income to the family members staying inside?

01:39:06.180 No, it would be.

01:39:10.320 Yes, it would be taxable income to the it would be taxable income to the family members.

01:39:14.040 But here's the other thing on if she has been renting it below fair market value on Schedule E.

01:39:22.220 Right.

01:39:22.860 She supposed to say no.

01:39:25.400 She's supposed to say all of those no personal days are personal days.

01:39:30.120 And if they are personal days, she did.

01:39:33.420 She she also falsified the tax return. 0.90

01:39:36.200 If that's the case.

01:39:37.120 In other words, I can't.

01:39:38.780 I get it.

01:39:39.160 No, no.

01:39:39.420 Hold on.

01:39:39.680 Let me let me try.

01:39:40.260 But I can tell you every answer she gives causes another problem.

01:39:44.820 OK, if she's counting the relatives staying in the Norfolk home as, quote, personal days,

01:39:49.960 then she has misstated the facts to the IRS to whom she represented.

01:39:55.000 There were no personal days.

01:39:56.480 If she's not counting, if she's saying that there were no personal days via the family members, that those did not count as personal days.

01:40:06.460 And that's why her IRS disclosure said no personal days.

01:40:09.420 Then she's violated the terms of the mortgage where she promised she would keep the property available primarily as a residence for borrowers, personal use and enjoyment for at least one year.

01:40:18.420 And I actually looked it up myself, Sam.

01:40:20.340 And here's what I found.

01:40:21.700 This is according to case law, interpreting the Fannie and the Freddie mortgage application that we just went through.

01:40:28.680 A borrower cannot spend zero time at the property if the mortgage is for a primary or secondary residence, if the mortgage application has that term for borrowers, personal use and enjoyment language.

01:40:41.260 So if, as the Fannie and the Freddie mortgage requires, that you promise you'll use it for your own personal use and enjoyment for at least one year primarily, that you may not spend zero time there because this language has been found to imply a requirement for occupancy, a requirement.

01:40:59.500 The borrower must occupy the property for more than half of the calendar year if it is a second home, meaning they can't even leave it for extended periods.

01:41:09.920 So if that is the law, she's toast because even she's not alleging she was in this property for more than half a year, which means she did not live up to the mortgage terms.

01:41:22.020 No, she did not.

01:41:23.180 And then you have the insurance fraud.

01:41:24.780 Now, everybody's making fun of Lindsay Halligan.

01:41:27.700 They call her the MAGA beauty queen.

01:41:30.620 Oh, she's an insurance lawyer.

01:41:32.080 Well, guess what?

01:41:33.740 There's also insurance fraud because she told the insurance company that she was going to occupy the property.

01:41:40.640 So pick your fraud, insurance fraud, income tax evasion, whatever you want, mortgage fraud, whatever you want.

01:41:48.020 And then they're acting like, oh, it's a clerical error.

01:41:50.600 Well, guess what?

01:41:51.420 On a Brooklyn property, which is not part of the indictment, which I think will be as superseding indictments come out, she lied on 10 mortgages over 20 years.

01:42:03.880 She said that the property was four units versus the actual certificate of occupancy that says five units.

01:42:10.800 Now, why is that a big difference?

01:42:12.260 Because a five unit property is considered commercial for underwriting and insurance standards, whereas four or less, you get a non-commercial policy.

01:42:21.880 And commercial policies are much more expensive and also commercial mortgages are much more expensive.

01:42:29.060 And you have another property where she claimed that a few days before the Trump trial that that was going to be a primary residence. 0.51

01:42:36.340 I mean, this is not one isolated instance where Sam Antar says, gotcha.

01:42:41.980 But this is a pattern of fraudulent behavior.

01:42:45.820 And even if they don't indict under the federal rules of discovery and I'm not a lawyer like you are, but under the federal rules, you can introduce that evidence.

01:42:56.840 Yeah, you can introduce pattern evidence.

01:42:59.480 You can introduce pattern evidence.

01:43:00.960 Yes, you can.

01:43:01.500 That's how they got Harvey Weinstein in his criminal case.

01:43:04.220 This would be a different way of doing it.

01:43:05.540 I mean, they could potentially, if they can convince a Brooklyn, the Eastern District of New York prosecutor to do it, they could have that person join in this prosecution and say, she did it too in Brooklyn, Your Honor.

01:43:16.240 I don't know if they'd go that far, if they'd have a prosecutor willing to do it.

01:43:19.200 But I do think it's very interesting.

01:43:20.540 I mean, here's the bottom line as I see it.

01:43:22.920 She promised through this second home rider that she would occupy and use the property as her second home.

01:43:28.740 She certified to the IRS that she had zero days of personal use that first year at all.

01:43:34.180 Now, maybe there's some backdoor where she says, my family living there qualifies as personal use.

01:43:40.020 Okay, maybe that gets her out of the covenant to occupy and use the property, though I really don't know.

01:43:46.600 I'm just giving her the benefit of the doubt.

01:43:48.140 There's a second covenant in here where she promised that she would keep the property available, in addition to occupy and use, available primarily as a residence for her personal use and enjoyment for at least one year.

01:43:59.700 So while she was allowed to do rentals per that one clause you could do for one year, it was supposed to be available primarily as a residence for her personal use and enjoyment.

01:44:08.500 And the case law that is interpreted this Fannie and Freddie Ryder has said that means she needs to have been in it for at least half the year, which she wasn't.

01:44:18.620 And that first year, I don't think she was there at all.

01:44:21.400 Well, you know, you know, Megan, you have a law degree, but you're not really practicing, practicing law.

01:44:29.660 All of these pundits that get on this are supposed to be experts and they're practicing law.

01:44:34.080 Why can't they do what you just did?

01:44:36.740 Because they hate Trump so much and they, some of them, love her.

01:44:41.640 I don't like him too, but the law is the law.

01:44:43.620 Yeah, well, that's, that's my, and you know, I, it's way more important to me to be honest with my audience than it is for me to run cover for Trump or attack his enemies.

01:44:52.620 Way more important to me that I maintain my dignity in honest analysis.

01:44:56.900 This is a result of Donald Trump's vendetta.

01:44:59.220 I brought the case to the feds.

01:45:01.260 I found the case.

01:45:02.880 I brought the case to the feds.

01:45:04.760 Donald Trump doesn't pay me.

01:45:06.440 I'm a Democrat.

01:45:07.360 I don't, not even a Republican.

01:45:08.720 Okay.

01:45:09.380 I, I was the one that brought the case.

01:45:12.320 Nobody else.

01:45:13.280 I brought it.

01:45:14.280 Who did you bring it to, Sam?

01:45:15.900 What?

01:45:16.800 Who'd you bring it to?

01:45:17.620 Well, first of all, look at my history.

01:45:19.120 I trained law enforcement for over 20, 30 years after Crazy Eddie's.

01:45:24.160 I've done whistleblower cases for major law firms.

01:45:27.280 I've helped them prosecute class action lawsuits, et cetera.

01:45:31.780 People read my blog and they follow it.

01:45:34.580 And sometimes they'll call and ask questions or sometimes they'll have an email and I'll explain further, just like when your people contacted me.

01:45:41.920 So this is not something that, you know, I pick up the phone.

01:45:45.780 Hey, Donald, guess what?

01:45:47.320 I got a fraud for you.

01:45:48.920 I got to Letitia James. 0.68

01:45:50.140 That's not what happened.

01:45:51.200 This is part of a process.

01:45:52.720 This is what I do.

01:45:54.020 I solve puzzles.

01:45:56.160 Did you, did you contact anybody though in the administration?

01:45:59.140 What?

01:46:00.220 Did you contact anybody?

01:46:01.260 I don't have contact with the administration, but I have had contact with law enforcement within the government dealing with this case.

01:46:09.420 As they should have contact with me.

01:46:11.860 Well, yeah.

01:46:12.580 I mean, you're an expert witness on this, you know, for reasons we discussed.

01:46:15.920 I don't have to be an expert witness.

01:46:17.480 The documents speak for themselves.

01:46:19.780 Yeah.

01:46:20.320 The documents speak for themselves.

01:46:22.980 The problem is it's confusing.

01:46:25.440 It's confusing if you don't understand, you know, fraud.

01:46:27.800 It's confusing because the media makes it confusing.

01:46:30.900 Okay.

01:46:31.280 When you get in front of a jury and you lay it all out, it won't be confusing because you won't have to deal with the spin and the this and the that.

01:46:39.720 That's why we have trials.

01:46:42.000 Yeah.

01:46:42.540 Well, I think the bottom line here is don't believe what the media is telling you.

01:46:45.740 This actually is more complicated a case than it looks.

01:46:49.040 It's not some simple open and shut in Tish James's favor, if anything.

01:46:53.040 To summarize, she wasn't allowed to rent it out for more than 182 days, right?

01:47:01.300 That's what the mortgage clause says.

01:47:03.180 The mortgage clause says a failure to do that is material.

01:47:07.700 They claimed it was immaterial.

01:47:09.200 That's something we didn't bring up.

01:47:11.480 Her insurance policy contradicts her mortgage.

01:47:17.040 She said she was going to be the primary occupant.

01:47:21.560 Okay.

01:47:21.680 The Schedule E on her tax return also contradicts her mortgage.

01:47:28.860 So what do you want to do?

01:47:30.120 Take your pick.

01:47:31.160 Which fraud do you want?

01:47:32.520 She's in an inescapable position and she knows it.

01:47:35.420 So what is she trying to do?

01:47:37.100 She's trying to try it in the press. 0.95

01:47:39.540 Go ahead and try it.

01:47:40.480 You know, what kind of behavior is it for a state attorney general?

01:47:45.480 You have to get through all of us.

01:47:46.960 She's not a mob boss. 1.00

01:47:48.860 She's an officer of the court and she should know better.

01:47:51.560 She should conduct herself with class.

01:47:55.020 She's got no class. 0.82

01:47:56.700 And that's what I have to say.

01:47:59.680 Okay.

01:48:00.720 I should note, of course, denied the charges.

01:48:02.800 She says she is totally innocent of the charges and that she looks forward to proving that in court.

01:48:06.540 You know, when they came after me, I was totally innocent too.

01:48:10.800 Until you were at it.

01:48:12.000 How long did you serve for?

01:48:14.380 Oh, I had a very, very rough time.

01:48:16.400 Six months of house arrest.

01:48:17.720 So no prison jokes.

01:48:19.420 Oh, okay.

01:48:20.060 Okay.

01:48:20.400 Nothing.

01:48:20.780 I won't.

01:48:21.180 I'll keep it to myself.

01:48:22.320 Well, thank you for writing the piece.

01:48:23.700 It gave me a lot to chew on and I really appreciate it, Sam.

01:48:26.100 You ever need me on again?

01:48:27.340 Let me know.

01:48:28.660 Thank you very much.

01:48:29.700 I have a feeling we will.

01:48:31.340 All the best to you.

01:48:32.640 So hopefully that was clarifying to you that at a minimum, it's a lot more complicated than the mainstream media wants you to believe.

01:48:38.400 This mortgage law and insurance law and tax law is no joke.

01:48:41.360 And even if these terms have different meanings, you know, like I asked myself, does, you know, personal use days, does that have a different meaning with the IRS than it does in real estate law?

01:48:49.760 And I actually think it does, does have a different use, but I don't see how she gets around the fact that this keep the property available primarily as a residence for your personal use and enjoyment appears to mean, according to the case law interpreting the Fannie and Freddie mortgages,

01:49:04.200 appears to mean that the, that the borrower is not allowed to spend zero time there and that the borrower is saying that they will occupy the property for more than half the calendar year if it's a second home.

01:49:16.040 And she just didn't do that. 1.00

01:49:17.400 Like, I don't even see her claiming that she did that.

01:49:19.620 At best, she's claiming she spent days down there from time to time.

01:49:22.900 That's not going to do it.

01:49:24.960 So all I'm asking is keep an open mind.

01:49:27.680 Okay.

01:49:27.900 Keep an open mind on this and we'll see how it goes.

01:49:30.640 If it's just as clear as some others say, then this will get dismissed on the papers.

01:49:34.600 And if it's not, we're going to have a trial.

01:49:36.660 Okay.

01:49:36.880 We are back tomorrow live on the Megyn Kelly channel.

01:49:40.480 It's our first day of channel 111 on Sirius XM being the Megyn Kelly channel.

01:49:46.000 And we will kick it off with Matt Walsh and VDH.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 03, 2025

Trump Storms 60, Michelle's Racial Complaints, and Legit Case Against Letitia James, with Walter Kirn and Sam Antar ｜ Ep. 1185

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