The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump Takes On Big Pharma with Historic Drug Prices Exec Order, and Michelle Obama's Bitterness, with Walter Kirn ｜ Ep. 1070

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00:00:31.200 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.540 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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00:01:12.040 More on that in just a bit.

00:01:13.580 It's another day of deals for President Trump.

00:01:16.140 I mean, it's really insane what just happened at the White House, truly.

00:01:20.520 Like, what just happened with the prescription drugs is, it is earth-shattering.

00:01:26.120 We're going to talk about it in just a minute.

00:01:29.320 Also, a sort of trade deal with China.

00:01:33.240 We're going to pause the retaliatory tariffs on one another for 90 days while we work it out.

00:01:37.180 But it seems like they have the framework for a deal.

00:01:40.420 And, you know, people like Charles Gasparino, who's been defensive of President Trump, saying,

00:01:45.660 look, he had to do this because of the bond markets, because of what was happening.

00:01:51.280 There's just a trade war with China is not winnable, is what he was saying, given our economic status right now.

00:01:59.400 Our debt and how much we need to service it and so on.

00:02:04.060 And so his take on why we have this pause with China was we had to.

00:02:09.260 That smart people went to Trump and said, you've got to stop this.

00:02:13.500 The United States economy cannot handle it.

00:02:16.080 We need them as badly as they need us.

00:02:18.780 And so the White House is sort of saying, see, I'm playing chess and I'm winning.

00:02:23.480 And smart guys like Charles, who doesn't have TDS, he's a Trump fan, actually, are saying, look, the reality is this was not a winnable war.

00:02:32.040 So whatever, it's good that it's paused.

00:02:34.760 That's his take for what it's worth.

00:02:36.880 Also, I mentioned this new executive order on prescription drug prices.

00:02:40.700 I'm going to get to that.

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00:02:51.040 And then there's this issue of an Air Force One gift, which he spoke to Trump did when he had a presser this morning at 930.

00:02:58.900 We're going to get into all of it.

00:03:00.040 Joining me for the full show today, Walter Kern, editor at large for County Highway and co-host of the America This Week podcast.

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00:04:10.000 Walter, welcome back to the show.

00:04:12.760 Great to have you.

00:04:13.660 Great to be here.

00:04:14.860 Okay, so let's start with this prescription drug thing because this is huge.

00:04:20.220 Like, this one's actually really big.

00:04:22.520 Just as a way of history, for those who haven't been following this, Trump, in his first term, tried to take this on.

00:04:31.900 The fact that Big Pharma won't negotiate with our government, our government won't negotiate with Big Pharma to protect us on the prices that we have to pay.

00:04:41.120 Trump tried to do it and got sued.

00:04:44.520 He tried to do it just with respect to Medicare.

00:04:47.320 He got sued by Big Pharma and he lost because technically it's Congress's job to negotiate these prices.

00:04:55.140 And so it's a question of constitutional authority.

00:04:58.020 So Big Pharma sued, saying you don't have the authority as president to do an end around Congress.

00:05:03.020 And they won because of separations of powers. 0.99

00:05:06.460 Big Pharma doesn't give a shit about separation of powers. 0.98

00:05:08.780 Big Pharma wants to charge us a lot of money. 0.98

00:05:10.640 But they used the Constitution to shut down Trump's effort in term one.

00:05:14.960 Then comes Joe Biden.

00:05:17.100 Okay, so now there was an attempt, and this one was successful, to make us negotiate on, I think it was first eight,

00:05:24.960 and then it was ten drugs for Medicare only.

00:05:28.340 So the government could negotiate with Big Pharma on these now ten drugs.

00:05:32.780 That's it out of the universe of drugs.

00:05:36.460 It's not a lot, and it's only under Medicare.

00:05:39.480 And now Trump comes in.

00:05:41.020 And by the way, this has always been more of like a Democrat thing, and Republicans have bought it.

00:05:44.460 Well, I mean, they've both been in the pocket of Big Pharma, to be honest. 0.99

00:05:47.040 Both sides are totally in the damn pocket of Big Pharma. 0.97

00:05:49.880 And we don't hate Big Pharma. 0.99

00:05:51.660 Big Pharma comes up with drugs that can help us, you know, not die.

00:05:55.480 And they come up with miracle drugs like Ozempic, which is helping a lot of very, very obese people get down to much more healthy weights.

00:06:03.560 So it's not to demonize Big Pharma, but they're also disgusting. 0.83

00:06:08.020 They're disgusting in so many ways. 1.00

00:06:10.180 They're absolute pigs when it comes to exploiting especially the American consumer. 0.99

00:06:14.140 And Anna Kasparian, who's with the Young Turks, she's a Democrat, she's a liberal, she's great, she's very reasonable, she's been on this program a number of times, and this has been one of her main issues. 0.99

00:06:27.420 She's the one who first got my attention on it, trying to say, what the F?

00:06:31.860 Why aren't we doing this?

00:06:33.100 Why aren't we, as a government, more protective of our own people?

00:06:36.940 And why are we allowing Big Pharma to charge Americans $1,000 a month for some drugs that the same manufacturers charge people in Denmark $50 a month for?

00:06:52.120 So the same drug, you could be paying $50 for it if you live in Denmark, and you could pay $1,000 for it if you live in the United States.

00:07:02.220 And do we have Anna Cutt?

00:07:03.520 Do we, she was going off on this.

00:07:07.380 Okay.

00:07:08.500 In any event, she was showing the bullet points in particular on Ozempic.

00:07:14.760 And I realize that's a very popular drug, but you could do this with a lot of other drugs where you go around the world, and we, the suckers in America, are subsidizing the world's cheap use of these drugs. 0.99

00:07:28.840 And it's bullshit. 0.98

00:07:30.300 She played a soundbite of Bernie Sanders, and as you know, Bernie and Trump kind of are at the horseshoe ends of the same ideological spectrum. 0.99

00:07:38.520 You know, Trump got there from the right, Bernie got there from the left, and they wound up kind of close to each other in a number of issues.

00:07:44.460 And the crossover amongst fans is kind of interesting with those two.

00:07:48.720 She played this Bernie soundbite where he was asked, because he's been pushing for the ability for us to negotiate on drug costs for a while, where he was asked by an MSNBC anchor about it.

00:07:59.060 Watch.

00:08:00.520 Why does Nova Nordis, in your opinion, charge so much more for Americans to get this drug?

00:08:07.480 I know exactly why, and so does everybody else.

00:08:11.160 Throughout the entire world, there are national health programs, which, by the way, in most cases, guarantee health care to all of their people.

00:08:20.120 And they sit down and they negotiate with the drug companies.

00:08:24.700 And they say, you know what, you can't charge us any price you want.

00:08:27.820 Let's sit down and talk about a reasonable price.

00:08:31.080 Here in the United States, until last year, you had the insane situation where the drug companies could charge any price they wanted for any reason.

00:08:42.120 Second of all, let's not kid ourselves.

00:08:45.420 The pharmaceutical industry is enormously powerful.

00:08:49.080 They have over 1,800 well-paid lobbyists in Washington, D.C. right now, former leaders of the Republican Party, the Democratic Party.

00:09:00.060 They're very nonpartisan.

00:09:01.540 They will give money to anybody.

00:09:03.040 Okay, and here's just to put some more meat on those bones, Walter.

00:09:08.960 She was showing a map that was from the MSNBC segment with Bernie on this, just for the example, Ozempic.

00:09:16.100 That costs about $1,000 per month in the United States before insurance.

00:09:21.840 In Canada, it goes for $147, $59 in Germany, $96 in Sweden, $103 in the Netherlands, $144 in Switzerland, $83 in France.

00:09:33.800 Why did the Americans have to pay $1,000 for the exact same drug that she points out can be manufactured for less than $5 a month per a study performed by Yale and King's College Hospital in London?

00:09:53.280 This is what Trump is trying to get at with this extraordinary executive order.

00:09:57.880 He now says, on all drugs, not just Medicare, we're going to start negotiating.

00:10:03.960 We're not going to be the world's piggy bank where they make all their money in the United States and then sell it cheaply to everybody else.

00:10:11.180 And that he says this could save people up to 80% on their drug costs.

00:10:17.980 Number one, there's likely to be another lawsuit by Big Pharma saying this is an inappropriate end around Congress.

00:10:23.500 And number two, it'll be really interesting to see how the Democrats react to Donald Trump pushing this kind of Bernie-blessed program when it comes to pharmaceuticals.

00:10:36.380 There you go.

00:10:36.740 You take it, Walter.

00:10:38.140 Is this a country of politics or a country of issues?

00:10:41.480 Because in this case, Bernie and Trump agree.

00:10:44.380 And Bernie has been loud on this matter for a long time.

00:10:48.420 He should get his butt over to the White House and show some solidarity on this because they're going to need it against the greatest lobby in American life next to the, I suppose, military-industrial complex.

00:11:00.980 The fact is that drugs like Zempic, and this one in particular, are not that complex. 0.93

00:11:06.340 It's a peptide called semaglutide.

00:11:09.020 It can be bought cheaply as the peptide itself.

00:11:13.020 In its patented drug form, it's made more expensive.

00:11:16.040 But the excuse that the U.S. has to pay higher prices, vastly higher prices, in order to subsidize the research and development of these drugs so that the rest of the world can benefit from lower prices is ridiculous.

00:11:31.260 But it has been the fig leaf, the massive fig leaf that they have used to cover their profiteering for decades.

00:11:37.620 Really, under Obamacare, there was a real conspicuous omission because the supposed aim of the bill, of the legislation, was to lower prices for American health care.

00:11:52.700 But it did not include negotiation with drug companies for, you know, lower prices.

00:11:59.440 Everybody noticed that at the time, that carve-out, as it were.

00:12:02.660 And now Trump's ending it.

00:12:04.360 And frankly, this is a demolition job on mere partisanship because, just as you quoted the Young Turks person, if we can't get together on this, then we can't get together on anything.

00:12:17.800 Mm-hmm, yes.

00:12:19.540 So it's, what's been happening in Congress is they're bought and paid for.

00:12:24.280 I mean, that's really the bottom line.

00:12:25.900 Big Pharma, as the audience knows and experienced firsthand during COVID with Pfizer, is, it owns the U.S. Congress.

00:12:33.780 They make tons of money, and then they buy congressmen and women so that they won't do anything to change the piggy bank system. 1.00

00:12:44.260 And they don't.

00:12:45.460 Neither side is innocent.

00:12:47.800 Megan, you and I both attended the RFK Jr. confirmation hearings, I happen to know.

00:12:54.160 I was only one row away from you.

00:12:57.080 And I think we saw there both Bernie and Elizabeth Warren, hectoring the man who wanted to pressure Big Pharma and challenge them on all sorts of fronts,

00:13:09.480 from the effectiveness of their drugs to testing drugs like the vaccines and so on, and prices.

00:13:15.560 And they were acting like they were lawyers for Pfizer.

00:13:19.840 Well, everybody's a lawyer for Pfizer if they're getting paid by them.

00:13:23.540 And I'm afraid Bernie, you know, he, you know, makes it a little complicated.

00:13:27.520 He gets a lot of money from them.

00:13:29.880 He gets it from their employees, and he claims that he gets it, you know, one little bit at a time, and it doesn't represent management contributing to his cause.

00:13:38.620 But he, he, it's a massive set of donations to him and to the Democrats.

00:13:44.940 And he can prove his independence, if you'd like, by coming together with Trump.

00:13:50.800 And if they think there are some problems with this executive order, the particular way that it's going to happen, that's fine.

00:13:57.960 But the principle has been agreed on, as you say, by the horseshoe for a while.

00:14:02.800 So it's time to do something for the American people.

00:14:05.440 And we must transcend TDS in certain cases.

00:14:09.980 I wish we did in most cases or all.

00:14:12.760 But if we can't do it here, I don't know where we're going to start.

00:14:16.100 Yeah, yeah, so, so Bernie is there, you know, he's in Congress, obviously, he's a sitting U.S. senator.

00:14:24.040 But good luck convincing your fellow congressmen to actually do this once and for all.

00:14:29.120 And that's the reason why Trump tried to do an end around the do-nothing Congress, because he's, he isn't bought and paid for by Big Pharma, but failed because the court said, sorry, sir, this is not within your remit.

00:14:40.940 But today, Trump spoke to that at the end, he had a presser at 930 talking about this and the Chinese deal.

00:14:48.720 And it was at this presser that he signed the executive order and he had his health team with him, Jay Bhattacharya of NIH, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. of HHS, Mehmet Oz of Medicare.

00:14:59.500 Obviously, he's going to be involved in this, too.

00:15:01.140 And I think Marty McCary was there of FDA.

00:15:04.320 So Trump got up there and said, basically, I dare you, I dare you now, Democrats in Congress, to defy me on this.

00:15:14.160 So Trump seems pretty clear.

00:15:15.880 I'm sure he's been told.

00:15:17.060 You tried this in Trump 1.0 and you got sued successfully as, you know, you don't have this executive power.

00:15:22.820 Because, once again, he's using executive power, which is probably going to get stopped by a court just as soon as Big Pharma files a lawsuit.

00:15:29.000 But Trump's already baking that in, saying, I dare the Democrats in Congress to not pass this in the big, beautiful bill that they're working on right now, the big money bill that's going to raise taxes or lower taxes or whatever.

00:15:44.860 They're working it out.

00:15:45.560 Because he said, how are you going to look at your constituents and say, you finally had the chance in legislation that would have Republican support in the Congress and the support of the sitting president ready to sign it to finally give the government this power to negotiate on the drug prices.

00:16:04.640 And you refused to do it, which is very clever to put this in the big, beautiful bill and frame it that way.

00:16:13.200 Well, it's not only clever.

00:16:14.980 It's absolutely essential in a time of budget cutting, particularly, to do something like this.

00:16:22.260 Because the biggest client, the biggest patient in the United States, so to speak, is the United States government.

00:16:28.400 It's the taxpayer who pays for these drugs in so many cases, you know, through all kinds of programs.

00:16:35.360 And it's going to save us collectively a lot of money and individually, you know, untold amount of money in family budgets.

00:16:45.240 I just think that it was time that Trump really held their feet to the fire on the social issues and the populist programs that they claim to support.

00:16:57.800 And I think it's a it's a masterstroke.

00:17:00.520 I did a little reporting on it last night.

00:17:02.840 They've kept it very close.

00:17:04.120 We were all taken by surprise.

00:17:07.160 I'm shocked that it didn't leak.

00:17:09.700 And pharma's counterattack is going to be interesting because it will be somewhat deceptive.

00:17:15.160 Already, they're trying to argue that somehow this is a blow against the third world, which will no longer, you know, have the benefit of our subsidized drug research.

00:17:26.220 And I've even seen people say, well, they're trying to solve immigration by killing all the people that would immigrate here.

00:17:32.620 I mean, it's going to be hysterical like you haven't seen.

00:17:39.360 Meanwhile, it's like the Democrats are the ones who claim that they've been for this.

00:17:44.740 You know, so let's let's see.

00:17:46.620 I mean, Robert Kennedy, RFK, Jake got out there today and was he seemed genuinely stunned.

00:17:51.540 I mean, he knew it was coming, obviously, but he I think even he didn't have hopes this high that Trump would do something like this.

00:17:57.640 Here he was earlier this morning, too.

00:17:59.280 This was the fulcrum of Bernie Sanders' runs for presidency, that he was going to eliminate this discrepancy.

00:18:07.920 And it's one of these promises that politicians make to their constituents, knowing that they'll never have to do it.

00:18:14.700 As they know that Congress is controlled in so many ways by the pharmaceutical industry.

00:18:20.320 Chris, we now have a president who is a man of his word, who has the courage.

00:18:28.040 President Trump was taking money from the pharmaceutical industry, too.

00:18:31.400 I think they gave you a hundred million dollars.

00:18:33.780 But he can't be bought.

00:18:35.640 There's writers like Elizabeth Warren or Robert Reich who are saying that President Trump is on this side of the oligarchs.

00:18:43.440 There has never been a president more willing to stand up to the oligarchs.

00:18:49.460 I never thought that this would happen in my lifetime.

00:18:52.940 I have a couple of kids who are Democrats or big Bernie Sanders fans.

00:18:58.760 And when I told them that this was going to happen, they had tears in their eyes.

00:19:04.280 Wow.

00:19:06.400 Frankly, I have tears in my eyes, not this moment, but I did, because I'll tell you why.

00:19:11.360 The price of drugs, especially drugs that are for limited or sort of small diseases that don't create a big market, you know, where the cost can't be spread across a lot of patients, can be absolutely ruinous.

00:19:27.440 You say $1,000 a prescription.

00:19:29.720 Let's talk $200,000.

00:19:31.800 I mean, there are drugs for things like hepatitis and for various cancers and so on that are, you know, shocking.

00:19:39.540 There are Rolls Royce and we're going to change lives here.

00:19:45.120 We're going to prevent families from going into bankruptcy.

00:19:47.620 We're going to cut the budget.

00:19:49.400 And lastly, there has been talk about pharma ads on TV.

00:19:55.500 It is not just Congress that pharma controls, Megan.

00:19:58.320 And it's MSNBC and CNN and Fox and the other cable news networks that we're all familiar with through carrying about 70% of the weight with their advertising in some cases.

00:20:11.540 Now, that influence totally deformed our COVID response and maybe guided it to some extent if you really want to be serious about it.

00:20:21.500 That influence is gone.

00:20:23.640 You can't advertise if you don't have the money and that money, that big giant pot of profits that was on a $5 drug, you know, $995 a dose or whatever is not going to be poured into these influence operations going forward, except in the short term, because there's no way they want this to come to pass.

00:20:47.740 Mm-hmm, that's right.

00:20:49.460 So he, the executive order, I'll just read a bit from the beginning of it.

00:20:55.500 He says, it says purpose.

00:20:57.580 The U.S. has less than 5% of the world's population and yet funds around three quarters of global pharmaceutical profits.

00:21:06.460 This egregious imbalance is orchestrated through a purposeful scheme in which drug manufacturers deeply discount their products to access foreign markets and subsidize that decrease through enormously high prices in the U.S.A.

00:21:20.480 The U.S. has for too long turned its back on Americans who unwittingly sponsor both drug manufacturers and other countries.

00:21:27.480 These entities today rely on price markups on American consumers, generous public subsidies for research and development primarily through the NIH, and robust public financing of prescription drug consumption through the federal and state healthcare programs.

00:21:44.680 Drug manufacturers, rather than seeking to equalize evident price discrimination, agree to other countries' demands for low prices and simultaneously fight against the ability for public and private payers in the U.S. to negotiate the best prices for patients.

00:21:57.740 The inflated prices in the U.S. fuel global innovation while foreign health systems get a free ride. 0.98

00:22:05.140 This abuse of Americans' generosity, who deserve low-cost pharmaceuticals on the same terms as other developed nations, must end.

00:22:12.980 Americans will no longer be forced to pay almost three times more for the exact same medications often made in the exact same factories.

00:22:21.580 As the largest purchaser of pharmaceuticals, Americans should get the best deal.

00:22:26.580 And while I need to pour over this thing more closely because it's several pages long, single-spaced and pretty dense, he's saying that he's addressing Kennedy and Medicare, which would be Dr. Oz, to negotiate with the drug companies saying, you better give us.

00:22:48.260 You know, like, if you're going to, again, just to stay on the Ozempic, because it's easy to understand.

00:22:52.720 Okay, you're charging Germans $59 for that drug, because this is by Novo Nordisk, which is a company from Denmark.

00:23:02.200 Okay, Novo, you're charging Germans $59 for this medication and you're charging Americans $1,000.

00:23:10.860 It's a no.

00:23:12.520 And to start the negotiation with them directly, like, we are not going to allow you to pay, to charge that in the United States.

00:23:19.760 And then this thing also says, and if you cannot reach a new agreement, then there's going to be basically a price set by the United States without your buy-in.

00:23:31.180 That's what his executive order says.

00:23:33.260 Like, we'll try to work it out with you.

00:23:35.000 If you don't want to strike a deal, we'll just do it.

00:23:37.880 So it's in your interest to strike a deal with us.

00:23:39.700 Again, this will be subject to a legal challenge.

00:23:42.000 Go ahead, Walter.

00:23:42.380 Well, here's a case of a non-American company, a Danish company, that's stiffing the United States, but not the country next door, Germany.

00:23:52.000 Why is that?

00:23:53.400 It's because-

00:23:53.860 They're not poor and developing.

00:23:55.880 They've got plenty of money.

00:23:57.440 Well, but, Megan, they have been acting poor and developing almost since World War II.

00:24:02.320 And for a while, they were.

00:24:03.760 They were devastated by war, you know, for several decades and trying to get back on their feet.

00:24:09.320 But the truth is, we have been subsidizing European socialized medical programs.

00:24:15.340 Yes.

00:24:16.300 In other words, and in so many ways, we've been doing that.

00:24:20.080 Our military payments and our undue support of NATO has allowed them to not have militaries of their own and pour money into social programs.

00:24:30.780 The social programs themselves have been subsidized in ways like this, where they negotiate, they get good prices from companies, and we don't.

00:24:40.560 In other words, we're carrying the weight for the world.

00:24:43.580 And this, in this case, has nothing to do with development.

00:24:48.160 The recent certain development isn't going on in the United States.

00:24:51.260 We're simply paying for it.

00:24:53.000 Now, how they got that deal and through what influence is, you know, something we should investigate later, but that it should go on is something we need to deal with yesterday.

00:25:06.160 Yeah.

00:25:06.680 Okay.

00:25:06.880 So staying on the weight loss drug, because it's just easy to understand.

00:25:10.840 No vote.

00:25:12.620 So the defense by Big Pharma is always, we spend so much money on research and development.

00:25:18.600 You know, like, you can't start pinching us on the profits because they go not only to just, you know, our bottom line, but they are a reward for the billions in R&D that went into developing these drugs.

00:25:32.040 And here's the numbers.

00:25:33.120 But they can still have their profits, Megan.

00:25:35.820 It's just that the subsidies for them will be more evenly distributed between countries and customers.

00:25:41.940 That's right.

00:25:42.820 Okay.

00:25:43.080 So here's what they say, that Novo Nordisk, they declined to provide production costs for Ozempic and its weight loss drug counterpart, Wegovi.

00:25:52.300 But the Danish drug maker noted that it spent almost $5 billion on R&D last year and will spend more than $6 billion on a recent deal to boost manufacturing to meet the demand for these drugs.

00:26:06.320 So they're crying that they have to manufacture.

00:26:08.540 It's in such demand that they have to pay $6 billion to develop even more of it.

00:26:13.620 No one's crying any tears for you over that.

00:26:15.700 But they're crying about the $5 billion that it took to develop it.

00:26:19.500 However, their profits for 2023 and 2024 equal, no, for one year, it's one year, one year operating profit.

00:26:30.100 I think it was either 2023 or 2024, was equivalent to $15 billion U.S. dollars, their largest profit since 1989.

00:26:42.740 So they profited in one year, $15 billion, largely off of that drug.

00:26:48.100 And they want us to cry and pay $1,000 a month because it cost them $5 billion to develop it.

00:26:54.580 It all has to fall on the Americans, and we're supposed to feel sorry for the drug company that's only going to net, what, like $8 billion instead of $15 billion if they charge us a fair price versus everybody else?

00:27:07.980 Listen, I don't understand why they're still paying development costs and research costs on a drug that they've already developed and, frankly, which is a rather simple substance compound.

00:27:19.360 And as far as manufacturing and gearing up to make more of it because of overwhelming demand, well, what other industry tells you that in order for us to gear up to meet the demand, we need crazy, almost unlimited ability to charge you?

00:27:39.640 You know, if Ford had a hit car and it said, we've got to build new factories to turn out the number of cars that people want to buy, and we've got to keep those prices really high in order to do that, that's the opposite of what I just heard.

00:27:56.780 Isn't there something called economies of scale?

00:27:58.920 The more you sell, the cheaper and the more you have to make, the cheaper it is to manufacture each unit?

00:28:06.900 Yes. So here's Dr. Jay Bhattacharya talking about how they're not anti-drug company.

00:28:14.120 You know, they understand it's an important industry in the United States and to the American people, and he runs NIH. Here's what he had to say.

00:28:22.520 What we're going to do is make sure that those prices become much closer to equal, like a competitive market you'd expect.

00:28:30.880 Right now what's happening is the American people are subsidizing at a large fraction the research and development efforts for drug companies around the world by the higher prices that we pay.

00:28:42.400 With this new order, Europe will share the burden of that.

00:28:48.340 And in fact, if you may think of it as like somehow it's going after drug companies, actually it's helping drug companies.

00:28:55.700 Because what we're also going to do with this order, what President Trump has done with this order, is he's said to European governments,

00:29:03.180 look, if you are taking advantage of the drug companies by forcing them to charge very, very low prices, we're going to defend American drug companies.

00:29:10.180 And that, I think, Walter, is why the pharma stocks went up after Trump's presser.

00:29:20.400 Dr. Bhattacharya explained that, and Trump explained it too, which was,

00:29:24.440 if these foreign countries continue, that can afford these drugs at a higher level,

00:29:29.780 continue to act like they're paupers and not pay at least the American drug companies a fair price for the drugs,

00:29:37.020 then I don't know what Trump's going to do, tear off them.

00:29:40.540 He's going to do something to try to exact a penalty on these countries that have deep pockets,

00:29:47.440 but have been grifting off of us for too long.

00:29:50.700 And that's why I was watching CNBC this morning, something I very rarely do.

00:29:54.460 And the big pharma stocks were down.

00:29:57.440 Then Trump held his presser.

00:29:58.720 And immediately they all started to climb because I think they heard that there is some measure of comfort being built in there,

00:30:06.100 at least for the American big pharma companies.

00:30:09.580 Let me launch a rather elaborate metaphor, but a colorful one.

00:30:14.800 The United States is like a member of a family who hits it big in Hollywood.

00:30:19.560 And they suddenly become rich and they have a big house and, you know, money coming in.

00:30:25.320 And all of a sudden, all the relatives say, hey, man, can you help me with my car payment?

00:30:31.080 Hey, my son just got sick.

00:30:32.880 Can you help with his hospital bills?

00:30:34.460 And then after a while, that arrangement becomes institutionalized.

00:30:39.540 Meanwhile, all the greedy relatives are doing quite well,

00:30:42.340 but they decide we have to cry poor in order to keep living off, you know, our movie star cousin.

00:30:49.260 At this point, the movie star is about to lose his mansion.

00:30:53.480 He's mortgaged it 10 times and he's got problems of his own.

00:30:58.840 And it's time for the rest of the family to step up.

00:31:03.320 If we go down to paying 400 per dose and they go up from 90 to paying 400,

00:31:11.200 the pharmaceutical company actually hasn't lost.

00:31:14.260 They can go do its precious development and research all day long.

00:31:19.020 But what's happened is that there is once again some sort of fairness in the family.

00:31:25.160 I love that.

00:31:26.540 That is so good.

00:31:28.040 I've got it that I love analogies.

00:31:30.920 They help me understand.

00:31:32.280 Here's Trump trying to explain the weight loss drug disparity because that one is just so obvious

00:31:38.020 and in a way that only Trump can.

00:31:40.540 Take a listen to that one.

00:31:42.640 I mean, I'll tell you a story.

00:31:43.800 A friend of mine who's a businessman, very, very, very top guy.

00:31:49.360 Most of you would have heard of him.

00:31:51.220 A highly neurotic, brilliant businessman, seriously overweight. 0.98

00:31:56.120 And he takes the fat shot drug. 0.95

00:32:01.420 And he called me up and he said, president, he calls me, he used to call me Donald.

00:32:07.740 Now he calls me president.

00:32:08.860 So that's nice respect.

00:32:10.060 But he's a rough guy, smart guy.

00:32:12.780 Very successful.

00:32:14.020 Very rich.

00:32:15.060 I wouldn't even know how we would know this. 0.93

00:32:16.680 Very fat.

00:32:17.240 He said, president, could I ask you a question? 0.60

00:32:19.560 What? 1.00

00:32:20.080 I'm in London and I just paid for this damn fat drug I take. 0.99

00:32:25.100 I said, it's not working. 0.99

00:32:27.000 He said, he said, I just paid $88.

00:32:32.980 And in New York, I pay $1,300.

00:32:36.020 What the hell is going on?

00:32:39.780 Only Trump. 0.94

00:32:40.980 Only Trump, Walter.

00:32:42.240 Is he going to go on Broadway after he finishes his presidency?

00:32:46.360 Because I saw I saw Jackie Mason on Broadway back when and he had nothing on Trump.

00:32:52.340 This story.

00:32:53.600 But this storytelling side of him is really effective, just like I just tried to use a colorful

00:32:58.680 story to explain things.

00:33:01.300 Trump, from tax from no tax on tips to other policies, often seems to come to his brilliant,

00:33:08.380 uncontroversial, outrageous ideas by talking to people who are affected by the policies.

00:33:15.180 Yes.

00:33:15.400 Oh, my Lord.

00:33:16.640 What a revolutionary way to do politics and to research policy, not go through a $10 billion

00:33:24.320 think tank, but ask the waitress if she gets to tax too much on her kids. 1.00

00:33:30.280 That's right. 0.63

00:33:30.980 Or ask his very fat friend who's on the fat drug, the fat shot. 0.87

00:33:35.280 He's on the fat shot.

00:33:36.120 What I love is that embedded in that, Megan, is he took a shot at the drug itself.

00:33:41.420 He said, it's not working.

00:33:43.220 It's not working.

00:33:45.720 It's so amazing.

00:33:47.080 So here's the other thing.

00:33:48.840 Now, it's going to be very interesting this week to see how this plays out, because this

00:33:56.060 is not one of those things that the sides are going to immediately know, you know, the

00:34:01.960 sides that don't think for themselves, how to handle it, right?

00:34:05.200 It's like normally it's like, well, the Republicans are against, quote, price controls, which Trump

00:34:13.300 denies that that's what this is.

00:34:14.800 And so they would normally bash somebody in this position.

00:34:17.520 They would definitely bash a Bernie Sanders type.

00:34:19.620 But it's Trump.

00:34:20.680 So what are they going to do?

00:34:21.800 And then the Democrats would normally be in favor of something.

00:34:24.100 Bernie Sanders?

00:34:25.300 How will he go over to the White House?

00:34:26.900 Will he say, I applaud him and I applaud this?

00:34:29.340 Or will his TDS win out where, like, he just can't support this because it was suggested

00:34:34.900 by Trump?

00:34:35.500 And same for the media, right?

00:34:37.120 The media should like this because they're left leaning.

00:34:41.360 They should want something like this.

00:34:43.380 But not only is it Trump, but they are controlled by big pharma.

00:34:48.680 That's who's paying all of their million dollar salaries. 0.98

00:34:52.020 Just give you one example.

00:34:54.100 Who could forget Stephen Colbert during the COVID nightmare with this little bit on his show?

00:35:01.380 He's dancing with people dressed like the shot and tons of little cartoon shots and a graphic

00:35:19.140 that reads the Vax, V-A-X, scene, S-C-E-N-E.

00:35:24.480 And he's dancing.

00:35:25.040 Oh, my God.

00:35:28.900 OK, I've seen enough.

00:35:31.380 And he should be dancing because they made him a very rich man.

00:35:34.780 That's a cross between cabaret and the Hunger Games, what we just saw there.

00:35:39.440 That is truly a man singing for his supper.

00:35:43.060 And his supper is provided by Pfizer.

00:35:46.540 And if you go over to the actual news channels, right up in the corner, it will say sponsored

00:35:51.740 by Pfizer.

00:35:52.840 You know, the COVID death count sponsored by Pfizer.

00:35:56.420 Anderson Cooper is not going to like this.

00:35:58.740 Rachel Maddow is not going to like this.

00:36:00.580 None of those people.

00:36:02.040 But they're going to have to be very creative in finding a way to question it or oppose it.

00:36:06.720 So I make a prediction.

00:36:08.540 At first, they'll try to have their cake and eat it, too.

00:36:11.380 They'll applaud the sentiment, the goal, the idea in general.

00:36:15.980 But they'll tell us the execution is terrible and is going to lead to disastrous consequences

00:36:21.220 for the very poorest among us.

00:36:23.880 I mean, especially they'll set the damage in places you and I won't ever go, you know,

00:36:29.500 East Africa and so on.

00:36:31.280 And tell us over there it's just, you know, wreaking devastation.

00:36:35.740 But the fact is that finally they're going to have to come down on one side or the other,

00:36:41.160 especially the politicians.

00:36:42.880 And they're going to come down on Farmer's side if that's who's supporting them. 0.89

00:36:46.840 I mean, this is a kill shot against the rhetorical hypocrisy of Democrats and Republicans who

00:36:55.760 always can be for something that will never happen.

00:36:59.240 It's easy to be for lower drug prices when you happen to know from the meetings back at

00:37:04.680 your office with the, you know, Merck president that it's never going to happen.

00:37:09.260 Now it happened.

00:37:11.560 Big Pharma hasn't said anything yet.

00:37:13.380 They've been quiet all morning.

00:37:15.200 I'm sure they're getting their their, you know, next move in line.

00:37:19.640 And I think it's going to be clothing themselves in patriotism.

00:37:24.440 Like, I'm sorry, this is very sad, but it's beyond the president's authority.

00:37:28.720 And we believe in separation of powers and, you know, he just can't do this.

00:37:33.020 We've already obtained a court decision saying this is outside of his, you know, his power.

00:37:38.200 So sadly, we're going to have to sue him again.

00:37:41.380 We'd love to lower prices for Americans, but the Constitution won't allow us. 0.95

00:37:45.640 So just shoot me.

00:37:48.660 It's not it's it's not going to work this time.

00:37:51.200 This is a slightly different deal to Megan.

00:37:53.340 This isn't exactly what he tried before.

00:37:55.520 This has to do with other organizations that set drug prices.

00:38:00.320 These these intermediaries that raise that raise the price.

00:38:05.340 It's a little bit subtler and a better in.

00:38:08.180 It's more gamed out than it was before.

00:38:12.660 I think you're right.

00:38:13.620 They definitely learned from Trump point point.

00:38:15.220 Oh, we've seen that on the immigration front and have no reason to doubt it on this front as well.

00:38:19.740 So it'll be really fun over the next coming days to watch where things settle.

00:38:24.120 OK, let's talk about the Trump plane, which is interesting.

00:38:27.840 Now, this one is also a little complicated.

00:38:31.960 If if you listen to a.m. update, you know about this story because the Kelly Brunt children told you all about it.

00:38:42.020 Let me just explain what that means.

00:38:43.860 For Mother's Day, my three children read my script for a.m. update, the morning news headline podcast that we put out on our feed.

00:38:51.200 It's a 15 minute news update to get you started in case you guys have not yet listened to it.

00:38:56.100 I think you'd enjoy it.

00:38:56.740 And I think you'd especially enjoy it today where the three children, Yates, 15, Yardley, 14 and Thatcher, 11, read the news of the day.

00:39:05.800 I edited the script along with my producer, Julia, and then they tracked it and it was so fun.

00:39:12.400 They did it so that I wouldn't have to do it.

00:39:14.220 Although, truth be told, I was there for most of their tracking and we had so much fun.

00:39:17.860 It was hilarious.

00:39:18.460 And we decided for people who listened to it and loved it because the feedback's been so fun online.

00:39:24.700 Thank you all for commenting that it might be fun to play some of the outtakes, some of the some of the bloopers, including the moment you will hear it here where a bee invaded the studio and there was an errant attempt to kill it while it was still flying, which, you know, never really works out.

00:39:42.400 But take a listen to some of the outtakes here.

00:39:46.880 Good morning, everyone.

00:39:48.460 Well, hold on.

00:39:50.120 It's kind of late.

00:39:51.760 I'll do it.

00:39:52.980 The mayor of Newark arrested amid a clash between ICE officials and Democrat lawmakers with DHS saying more cha...

00:40:00.300 Sorry, there's a really big B.

00:40:05.620 Oh, my God.

00:40:06.760 It got really close to it.

00:40:07.700 Oh, here.

00:40:09.660 It's a jello jacket.

00:40:11.360 Jello jackets are the ones that stink you out.

00:40:14.040 Mom.

00:40:14.940 Mom.

00:40:15.780 Wait, just try to get it out of your...

00:40:17.080 Get away from me.

00:40:18.120 Get away from me.

00:40:19.440 Oh, my God.

00:40:20.080 It almost landed on me.

00:40:21.440 Since being chosen to head the Catholic Church.

00:40:24.980 The Pope calling for peace around the world, saying we are facing the tragedy of a, quote, third war...

00:40:31.400 You can just pick it up with And On All.

00:40:36.740 And On All podcast platforms.

00:40:39.940 Good job.

00:40:43.780 Gates.

00:40:44.380 Can you not do that?

00:40:45.280 So they're normal kids.

00:40:49.440 There's some back and forth, and they had a couple of stumbles, but not many.

00:40:53.140 My favorite, it didn't make the real, but was when my little guy was reading a story about the Pope and said something like,

00:40:59.140 The papal vestments.

00:41:01.180 We redid it and did papal.

00:41:03.020 But he...

00:41:03.480 I'll tell you, they nailed it.

00:41:04.500 They understood the pronunciations, and I was very proud of them, and I appreciated their sweet...

00:41:08.980 One of their Mother's Day gifts.

00:41:10.280 They also gave me a baseball cap that reads Gulf of America, right on, and a big, cozy, like, snuggie, because I'm always cold,

00:41:19.480 and also a mug that reads astronaut, which they understand I am, and listeners of the show know what I mean.

00:41:27.880 So that's a long way of getting into the Trump airplane saga.

00:41:32.100 So, Walter, Trump has been offered a $400 million 747 by the Qataris, and the thing looks sick. 0.77

00:41:43.440 I have to say, the pictures online make it look, like, spectacular.

00:41:47.500 I mean, it's so wide.

00:41:48.720 I'm like, can this thing fly?

00:41:50.460 The living room, and it looks like something out of a skyscraper living room, which I guess this is the ultimate skyscraper.

00:41:57.940 Yeah, here are some of the pictures.

00:41:59.040 Trump went and took a look at this jet, and it was to his liking, apparently, and says, I'd love it.

00:42:08.020 Now, at first, that does sound terrible, that our president will be taking a $400 million gift from the Qataris,

00:42:14.540 because there is something under the Constitution called the Emoluments Clause, and we're not allowed...

00:42:19.200 Any official in a position of public trust is not allowed to take a gift.

00:42:23.520 They're really...

00:42:23.980 They're not allowed to.

00:42:24.700 But Pam Bondi has said he can get around that, because this isn't a gift to Trump.

00:42:30.240 It's a gift to our Pentagon.

00:42:33.220 And then, when the refurbished Air Force Ones that Boeing has been working on for 10 years are finally done,

00:42:43.060 10 years from now, this Qatari plane will be gifted to the Trump Presidential Library.

00:42:50.420 So it's not a gift, and an emolument, which is...

00:42:55.380 That's when you perform a service for a fee.

00:42:58.360 Sure.

00:42:58.640 That Pam Bondi's saying, that's not this, because he's not performing any service for the Qataris.

00:43:03.040 This is a gift, so...

00:43:04.320 And it doesn't...

00:43:05.320 And it's not to a person.

00:43:06.460 Anyway, this is going to be a fight, legally.

00:43:09.620 Someone's going to file lawsuits.

00:43:10.860 And the Qataris are saying, it's not yet settled.

00:43:13.240 Both sides' legal departments are looking into whether this can fly, so to speak.

00:43:18.000 But Trump's bitching about it, and today was pissed, because he's like,

00:43:25.840 they're offering a $400 million expense that we would otherwise have to pay.

00:43:32.100 Air Force One is a mess.

00:43:33.960 We have two planes that are Air Force One.

00:43:35.920 In my first term, I went to Boeing and said, here are billions of dollars for you to fix these planes,

00:43:42.820 which are 40 years old, Trump says.

00:43:44.880 And not only does Trump win, again, multiple years later, and they're still not done,

00:43:51.080 but again, they are projected to be done no sooner than 2035,

00:43:56.600 which would be 20 years after Trump contracted with Boeing to redo them.

00:44:04.440 Here is a little bit of Trump explaining it today in Sot 5.

00:44:08.900 And I think this was just a gesture of good faith, and I don't get it.

00:44:15.600 Someday it'll be like Ronald Reagan.

00:44:17.660 They decommission them.

00:44:18.700 You know, they get to a certain age, they decommission them.

00:44:21.200 It'll go to my library.

00:44:22.720 They're talking about going to my library in years out.

00:44:26.580 But I thought it was a great gesture, and it's something that was done by Ronald Reagan.

00:44:31.720 They actually decommissioned the plane, and he put it in his library,

00:44:34.300 and it actually has made the library, I think a Boeing 707,

00:44:39.200 it's actually made the library more successful.

00:44:42.280 So it was good.

00:44:42.980 Do you plan to use the plane after you leave office?

00:44:46.720 No, I don't, no.

00:44:47.640 It would go directly to the library after I leave office.

00:44:51.400 I wouldn't be using it.

00:44:53.840 Now, that's an important addendum that we didn't know yesterday,

00:44:57.300 that he doesn't plan on using it for personal use after he leaves office,

00:45:01.180 which does support the argument that it's a gift to America, not to Trump, per Pam Bondi's logic.

00:45:07.500 And I'll just give you one more, Walter. 0.99

00:45:08.800 Here's Trump trying to explain how stupid his critics are on this particular issue, Sot 5B. 0.99

00:45:16.720 I could say, no, no, no, don't give us, I want to pay you a billion or 400 million or whatever it is. 1.00

00:45:23.300 Or I could say, thank you very much.

00:45:25.160 You know, there was an old golfer named Sam Snead, did you ever hear?

00:45:29.840 He won 82 tournaments, he was a great golfer.

00:45:32.720 And he had a motto, when they give you a putt, you say, thank you very much.

00:45:37.100 You pick up your ball and you walk to the next hole. 1.00

00:45:39.320 A lot of people are stupid. 1.00

00:45:40.800 They say, no, no, I insist on putting it. 1.00

00:45:42.980 Then they putt it, they miss it.

00:45:45.520 And their partner gets angry at them.

00:45:47.340 You know what?

00:45:48.340 Remember that, Sam Snead.

00:45:50.200 When they give you a putt, you pick it up and you walk to the next hole and you say, thank you very much.

00:45:56.160 So what do you make of it?

00:45:58.120 Because I should say, sorry, one other thing.

00:46:00.040 I should say a lot of conservative blowback against the president, even from non-Trump derangement syndrome people saying, this is not good.

00:46:07.280 We should not be taking gifts from the Qataris who are not the best people. 1.00

00:46:11.940 Do they not yet know how Trump works?

00:46:15.020 Have they not yet cracked his algorithm?

00:46:17.240 Every week, every few days, in case we run out of outrages, Trump does something that I call throw the media a chew toy.

00:46:26.800 This is a chew toy.

00:46:28.200 It allows them to sit by the fire and bite, lick, slobber at some non-issue, which causes total distraction while he does something like end a war.

00:46:42.200 Now, we'll be talking about this Qatari plane all week, I can tell you.

00:46:47.400 And by the end of the week, we'll find out that the Ukraine-Russia war ended or something while we were on our, you know, slobbering over our chew toy.

00:46:55.260 But, you know, so in a way, it doesn't matter the specifics because they're always outrageous.

00:47:01.820 To be a chew toy, it has to sort of be borderline bad taste and is it legal and is it constitutional?

00:47:08.500 And in some ways, it has to be gauche, too, because it's Donald Trump, right?

00:47:12.620 I mean, the plane has to be over the top.

00:47:15.620 People will be looking at, oh, my Lord, you know, solid gold toilet paper holders.

00:47:22.280 Yeah.

00:47:22.500 First of all, he's going to guarantee more attendance at his library if he gets that thing parked in back than any other president in history.

00:47:32.020 He may also not have to build a whole wing on it.

00:47:34.380 People will just – it's a 747.

00:47:36.200 People will just use that as – that could be the library.

00:47:39.420 It could be the library.

00:47:40.900 But it gets us talking about issues that, in a weird way, in the same way – remember how he did an AI or somebody did of him dressed as the pope a week before we got an American pope?

00:47:53.220 And it got us talking about the pope and thinking about it in all sorts of ways.

00:47:57.640 And just because that was the chew toy that week, it was that AI of the pope.

00:48:02.140 And then it gets us ready for the main course.

00:48:04.960 Now, Gutter, whose name I can never pronounce.

00:48:08.560 I know.

00:48:09.040 No one can.

00:48:09.640 You know, it's going to be in the news and part of a lot of negotiations probably coming up.

00:48:16.020 You know, it's, for better or for worse, a power player in the Middle East and in the United States.

00:48:22.000 And suddenly we know who it is.

00:48:23.860 We know what Gutter is.

00:48:25.460 Most Americans without this plane wouldn't – they still can't place it on a map and they still can't pronounce it.

00:48:32.360 Look at me.

00:48:33.160 But at least they're aware it exists.

00:48:36.000 Yeah.

00:48:36.280 And they're aware it exists suddenly.

00:48:37.880 How interesting is that, Megan?

00:48:40.040 Yeah.

00:48:40.260 I'll make a prediction.

00:48:42.280 Two weeks from now, for reasons other than the plane, Gutter will be in the news.

00:48:46.840 But Americans will already recognize that they're talking about a country when they hear that.

00:48:54.480 Well, we'll see whether anybody actually tries to sue, to stop it.

00:48:58.980 I don't know.

00:48:59.540 You know, my main concern would be, can we please make sure that there are absolutely no listening devices or other things left on board that plane?

00:49:08.700 Because this is our president, our national security officials in the air.

00:49:12.860 Like, we definitely don't trust Qatar.

00:49:15.060 I mean, we definitely do not.

00:49:16.840 We cannot.

00:49:17.900 And, Megan, that's what I first thought, too.

00:49:21.900 What he's really doing is he's trolling Boeing. 1.00

00:49:24.280 You can't finish your damn planes. 0.99

00:49:26.400 And he just trolled Boeing in the past. 1.00

00:49:29.380 You can't get your astronauts down off your space stations.

00:49:32.660 They're a mess.

00:49:34.020 Why do we have to keep bailing you out?

00:49:35.800 This is really aimed at Boeing.

00:49:37.760 There should be a massive class action lawsuit against Boeing by the United States people, by the American people,

00:49:44.760 for all the money we've given them to get, what, nothing, according to Trump, and nothing for another 10 years on top of it.

00:49:51.440 This is actually an epic fail.

00:49:54.760 You get tasked by the federal government to refurbish two existing planes, and you still can't do it.

00:50:00.620 I mean, it's absolutely disgusting.

00:50:01.640 They're apparently way over budget and way behind the deadline.

00:50:05.660 What a shock.

00:50:06.260 Okay, so that's Qatar, Qatar, whatever.

00:50:10.460 You guys got it.

00:50:11.320 There is a lot going on, though.

00:50:12.980 I mean, we kind of sort of stopped the budding war between India and Pakistan.

00:50:19.100 We kind of sort of reached a deal with China to stand down on the tariffs.

00:50:23.980 We're bringing home an American hostage. 0.99

00:50:26.620 And, yes, the media is very focused on this chew toy.

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00:52:32.560 That is unbelievable.

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00:52:39.400 And welcome back to the Megyn Kelly show.

00:52:41.320 We're with Walter Kern, editor-at-large of County Highway.

00:52:45.440 That's really, that underlines the problem, does it not?

00:52:48.560 They own everyone.

00:52:51.640 Not us.

00:52:52.640 Not you.

00:52:53.700 But in media, 99% of media is getting paid by Pfizer.

00:52:58.580 And that's just one of them.

00:52:59.720 That's just one drug company.

00:53:00.700 That was like a satire, like Running Man or something like that, you know, where they have

00:53:07.400 everybody in the game show, where they, you know, somebody dies.

00:53:11.180 Brought to you by Pfizer.

00:53:12.540 And not just by Pfizer, because I always look at the subliminal message.

00:53:16.340 Brought to you by the oval blue pill that Pfizer is famous for, Viagra.

00:53:21.680 I mean, in other words, that's the subtle message there.

00:53:27.040 Pfizer helping America, you know, get it on.

00:53:30.700 But I mean, that is a helpful drug, I'm sure.

00:53:32.700 Like that and their weight loss drug. 0.96

00:53:34.620 And I'm sure there are a lot of other Pfizer drugs that are helpful.

00:53:37.200 It's just they shouldn't own our politicians or our media.

00:53:40.600 Well, here's the thing.

00:53:43.560 It's been pointed out that pharmaceutical advertising isn't really to the customer.

00:53:47.560 Because you and I can't go out and buy those things, can we?

00:53:50.620 We have to go through a doctor.

00:53:52.680 Those are influence ads.

00:53:55.280 Those are ads meant to own the media so that in the general flow of events and issues,

00:54:01.520 Pfizer's lobbying and Pfizer's agenda are at the top of the news.

00:54:07.560 Mm-hmm.

00:54:08.120 That's exactly right.

00:54:08.940 It's really, it's bad.

00:54:10.000 One other follow-up to our discussion on the fat drug.

00:54:14.840 What do you call it?

00:54:15.580 The fat, the fat shot?

00:54:17.020 The fat drug shot? 0.95

00:54:17.700 The fat shot.

00:54:19.560 The Jason Calacanis, a J-Cal of the All In podcast, who's, he comes on this show and

00:54:25.360 is very funny.

00:54:26.460 He tweeted out in response to that soundbite I played where he, Trump was like, I talked

00:54:32.080 to my fat friend and investor.

00:54:34.200 He's made a lot of money about the fat drug.

00:54:37.180 And Jason retweeted it saying, Mr. President, this was a private conversation.

00:54:42.100 Next time, check with me first.

00:54:43.800 Well, I thought he was talking about Pritzker the whole time.

00:54:49.600 Me too.

00:54:50.720 That's what I was picturing.

00:54:52.600 Yes, exactly.

00:54:54.320 Well, Trump has that magical ability to put pictures in your head, even if they're not

00:54:58.300 the ones that are intended.

00:55:01.300 But-

00:55:01.520 That's so true.

00:55:02.100 Like when he said it didn't work, and he took sort of shots at it, and he said his

00:55:07.040 friend's neurotic, he painted a picture that's just indelible. 0.54

00:55:12.620 And I don't think America now has a better comedian, salesman, troll, and politician than 0.99

00:55:22.460 Donald Trump. 0.94

00:55:23.060 He's taken all four hats.

00:55:24.700 Yeah.

00:55:26.080 So, by the way, then Debbie Murphy, my producer, told me Jason Calacanis used to be heavy, and

00:55:33.900 apparently first became famous-ish for becoming a weight loss blogger.

00:55:40.860 They said that in 2007, he was credited with starting an internet trend after he called fat

00:55:47.260 blogging, that he called fat blogging after being fed up with being overweight via the LA

00:55:51.680 Times in 2007.

00:55:53.480 They said about 10,000 people visit his website each day to read his business ideas, musing

00:55:57.560 on tech, and pot shots at rival entrepreneurs.

00:56:00.100 Then he pulled an Oprah on his audience and became the guru to a budding movement of fat

00:56:05.200 bloggers.

00:56:05.760 He decided he was fed up.

00:56:07.160 He used to be a spelt 165 pounds, and then ballooned to 207 after working night and day

00:56:13.860 at his desk.

00:56:15.360 And as he lost the weight, he blogged about it.

00:56:20.940 So, it's a funny joke.

00:56:23.020 It wasn't actually him because he's slim now, but very funny.

00:56:25.940 Okay.

00:56:26.900 Moving on.

00:56:28.280 The China deal.

00:56:29.580 I do think this is interesting.

00:56:31.320 I don't know whether this is a win or a loss.

00:56:33.460 I haven't understood the tariffs from the moment Trump started them.

00:56:37.800 But I just want to tell the audience this is what he's announcing today.

00:56:41.680 He has said that the reciprocal tariff—this is Scott Besson who announced it—the reciprocal

00:56:46.900 tariff on China, where we jacked ours up to 125 and then they jacked theirs up on us to 0.74

00:56:54.000 125 for all goods, is now going to 10%.

00:56:57.120 Beijing is going to cut its retaliatory levies on U.S. goods to 10% too.

00:57:02.480 So, we're both going from 125 to 10%.

00:57:05.640 A separate 20% tariff that Trump imposed for China's role in the fentanyl problem will remain.

00:57:15.480 We're not removing that, and that's good because fentanyl is a scourge on our nation.

00:57:19.780 U.S. said the reductions will last for 90 days while the talks continue.

00:57:24.180 Wall Street Journal pointing out, of course, this tariff rate is still much higher than when

00:57:28.240 Trump took office, where it was 11%.

00:57:30.840 And now, if you do 10% plus the 20, it's at 30.

00:57:34.280 But they're saying overall, if you factor in all those sort of increases for this, that,

00:57:39.340 or the other, it's about 39% right now, according to the Citibank team.

00:57:43.700 So, it's higher.

00:57:44.640 We're definitely charging more for Chinese goods to come into this country.

00:57:49.300 But Besson says the consensus, as the U.S. met with China over the weekend, was that we

00:57:55.340 will reach a fuller trade agreement that, quote, neither side wants a decoupling.

00:58:00.140 Stocks are surging all over the board now.

00:58:02.460 In response to this, the market's thrilled.

00:58:05.080 And I'll just read you what Charlie Gasparino said, because I trust him.

00:58:08.820 He does not hate Trump at all and has been defending him on most things.

00:58:13.120 He's the business reporter, senior business reporter at Fox.

00:58:16.000 Every major trader slash investor I spoke to today said markets are ripping, not because

00:58:21.220 Trump crafted some great new art of the deal with China on trade.

00:58:24.620 Rather, we're back to square one with the country and kicking the tariff war can down

00:58:29.260 the road.

00:58:29.980 That averts stagflation in the short term and maybe longer if we get a deal after 90 days.

00:58:34.720 Yes, markets love trade capitulation.

00:58:37.660 And he went on to say that Trump was really forced to do this.

00:58:41.920 I mean, he went on to say it's like it had to happen.

00:58:45.240 The markets were just too bad.

00:58:46.420 The bond market in particular, there was no way for him to keep this rolling and that

00:58:53.180 Trump promised a lot.

00:58:54.600 But the truth is, the bond market in particular responded so negatively to this war with China

00:59:00.160 that we had to wave the white flag and China had to wave for the white flag.

00:59:04.260 And there's a lot of white flag waving that Trump's going to take credit for.

00:59:08.280 But I think the idea is he created the problem and now he's solving the problem.

00:59:13.880 But like, does he get credit for solving the problem he created?

00:59:17.880 Others are saying, no, something had to be done about this and getting the world's attention

00:59:23.020 on this trade imbalance and what China's been doing is a win in and of itself.

00:59:27.300 I don't know.

00:59:27.640 Any thoughts on tariffs?

00:59:30.460 Well, if I don't have any thoughts on tariffs, that means I'm the only person in America who

00:59:36.680 doesn't because we had more experts grow up overnight on tariffs than almost any other

00:59:41.820 issue in my lifetime.

00:59:44.400 So you were humble enough to say, I don't understand what this has all been about since

00:59:50.120 the beginning.

00:59:51.000 I sort of understand it.

00:59:52.760 My job is to educate myself on these things.

00:59:55.780 And I'll say this.

00:59:57.080 Have you ever negotiated anything?

00:59:59.440 Of course you have, Megan.

01:00:00.660 You've negotiated salaries.

01:00:02.240 You've negotiated contracts, book contracts.

01:00:04.860 Even I have done that.

01:00:06.020 And at the beginning of negotiations, a lot of things are said that cause people to go,

01:00:12.020 oh, no, it's going to break down.

01:00:14.240 This is going to destroy everything.

01:00:15.960 I won't get a book published at all.

01:00:17.960 Oh, I won't get in the movie if I play too tough.

01:00:21.500 But negotiations are the beginning of a game and a rough game when it involves China and

01:00:27.940 the US and trillions of dollars.

01:00:29.880 That we're doing it at all is a plus, you know, that we're examining this at all, that

01:00:35.040 we're at the table, that we're playing this rather rough, you know, contest, I think is

01:00:40.480 good.

01:00:41.140 Number two, both Trump and China have one thing in common.

01:00:46.500 They like to save face.

01:00:48.940 It's thought to be a perennial feature of certain Asian cultures that saving face is almost more

01:00:55.700 important than actually winning things.

01:00:59.160 And in Trump's case, being able to brag and thump his chest and beat Donald Trump is also

01:01:05.200 very important.

01:01:06.520 So you've got two very proud and very vain partners in this negotiation who are finding

01:01:12.900 a way for each other to save face.

01:01:15.100 But they both have real objectives.

01:01:18.140 On Trump's part, he wants to bring back manufacturing to some extent.

01:01:22.160 He wants to reduce this trade deficit.

01:01:24.320 And he wants to kind of bring back especially very vital industries, chip making, various

01:01:32.780 defense technologies and so on.

01:01:35.740 I think we're closer to getting those things than we were before.

01:01:40.260 And you said both sides are waving the white flag.

01:01:43.240 Well, that's logically impossible.

01:01:46.720 You can't have double surrender.

01:01:48.460 Well, can I just say this?

01:01:50.660 Another tweet from Charles said, breaking, economists still trying to figure out what

01:01:55.540 concessions on trade China agreed to.

01:01:58.520 He said, I know this sounds sarcastic, but it's true. 1.00

01:02:02.620 Megan, it was only years after the Cuban Missile Crisis that we found out that Kennedy made a

01:02:08.460 deal with the Russians to withdraw missiles from Turkey.

01:02:13.480 The Cuban Missile Crisis for many years was portrayed as a total American win.

01:02:18.560 We backed down the Soviet Union and they took their missiles out of Cuba. 0.63

01:02:22.880 We later found out that we made a huge concession in order to get that.

01:02:27.300 So the thought that we can look behind the curtain and know who's won what, who's getting

01:02:31.680 what and where it's leading at this early date is, is folly.

01:02:37.320 But I think it's important for both sides that the things that they do concede, they're

01:02:42.320 not embarrassed by.

01:02:44.920 No, I think that's, that's clear.

01:02:47.420 He goes on to say this, I think that this is another one, a good one from Charlie.

01:02:51.180 And it makes some sense to me.

01:02:53.460 This is from this morning.

01:02:55.380 Breaking, in talking to sources who run small businesses, the pause with China came just as

01:03:00.300 their companies, I think he's talking about American companies, were on the precipice of

01:03:04.840 disaster since they sourced so much of their material from China and the containers coming

01:03:09.840 from China were coming back empty.

01:03:12.160 If you want to know why we were as desperate for a deal as the Chinese, it's because small 1.00

01:03:16.920 businesses, a key MAGA constituency was about to get crushed.

01:03:20.920 So I guess, you know, time will tell, uh, where, whether this was a good idea or a bad

01:03:27.680 idea, but a, a reset, uh, seemed in order because the trade disparities were pretty severe

01:03:34.760 between us and many other countries.

01:03:36.160 And I know we're not supposed to care.

01:03:37.620 It's not supposed to be a thing.

01:03:38.960 But the other thing is if Trump really wanted to use tariffs to raise money, which was one

01:03:43.280 of the debates, is he just doing this to raise money or does he actually want to fix

01:03:46.980 trade disparities?

01:03:48.800 Um, I'd like to see the receipts on it, right?

01:03:51.780 Have we?

01:03:52.360 Trump keeps saying that we've earned all sorts of money.

01:03:54.800 We've made all sorts of money on these.

01:03:56.280 I'd love to see the accounting on it.

01:03:58.760 I've seen some of it, whether it's accurate or not.

01:04:01.600 And it's pretty modest given the, the, the voracious needs of the U S treasury, you know,

01:04:08.840 and spending, uh, it's not something that's going to replace the income tax certainly tomorrow.

01:04:14.820 Um, but at the same time, the principle of raising money off of people who want to trade

01:04:22.700 with us and just as in the drug, uh, pharmaceutical drug issue, creating a little bit more of a

01:04:29.780 level playing field after, you know, years of what Trump contends is being taken advantage

01:04:34.740 of.

01:04:35.220 You can be content with marginal gains if you're moving in the right directions.

01:04:39.240 And also this negotiation isn't over.

01:04:42.700 It'll probably be going on in some fashion for the first half of it is his administration.

01:04:49.660 Mm-hmm.

01:04:50.780 Okay.

01:04:51.400 So let's keep going.

01:04:52.540 Um, there was this big skirmish over the weekend in Newark at an ice facility, uh, where

01:04:59.960 federal officials arrested Roz Bakara, the democratic mayor of Newark and a candidate for governor

01:05:05.440 of New Jersey after a confrontation that also involved three members of Congress, um, at a new

01:05:10.360 immigration detention facility in Newark.

01:05:13.500 They went there.

01:05:14.580 They say we were just innocently there.

01:05:16.480 We just want to take a look at the facility.

01:05:18.140 That's part of our oversight, uh, responsibilities.

01:05:22.180 And it resulted in ice officials trying to stop them.

01:05:26.400 A confrontation ensued.

01:05:27.680 You can see them getting aggressive.

01:05:29.320 And I mean, what looks like an assault, I don't, it looks like pretty aggressive behavior by

01:05:36.360 the lawmakers.

01:05:37.240 They say it was aggressive behavior by the ice officers.

01:05:40.740 Uh, in any event, now the, uh, democratic mayor of Newark is, has been arrested and Democrats

01:05:47.020 are freaking out, including AOC who came out and spoke to this today.

01:05:51.220 I think we have the AOC sod, Dewey.

01:05:55.360 DHS is allegedly looking into arresting members of Congress who were showing up for their legal

01:06:04.920 and constitutional obligation to conduct oversight.

01:06:08.660 If anyone's breaking the law in this situation, it's not members of Congress.

01:06:13.180 It's the Department of Homeland Security.

01:06:15.440 It's people like Tom Homan and Secretary Kristi Noem.

01:06:19.660 You lay a finger on someone, on Representative Bonnie Watson Coleman, on Representative, or any

01:06:27.520 of the representatives that were there.

01:06:29.480 You lay a finger on them.

01:06:30.800 We are going to have a problem.

01:06:33.680 Okay, then we do because they were forced to lay a finger on them because they behaved 0.99

01:06:39.260 like brutes. 0.86

01:06:40.720 Let me show you, this is released by DHS, Representative LaMonica McIver. 0.86

01:06:44.880 You can almost see AOC almost list her name and then stop herself because the video of

01:06:51.460 this woman does not reflect some sweet, peaceful little congressional overseer there just to 1.00

01:06:57.420 take a look at things and not cause problems.

01:06:59.780 Here she is in this video making physical contact with ICE officers in a scrum after the mayor's

01:07:04.960 arrest on Friday, Sod 8.

01:07:11.580 She's in red.

01:07:12.460 Look at her shoving, shoving forward through an ICE agent. 1.00

01:07:20.920 She's bothering that ICE agent. 1.00

01:07:23.640 Not the other way around.

01:07:28.900 Look, she's shoving. 1.00

01:07:30.120 She's actually like almost punching. 1.00

01:07:32.040 Look at that.

01:07:33.320 Shoved another police officer.

01:07:35.240 That's assault.

01:07:36.600 She too should be in jail.

01:07:37.720 So much for AOC's warnings and protestations about who the real offender is here, Walter.

01:07:44.600 Don't wear red if you plan to be an aggressive rioter.

01:07:49.180 I mean, I could follow-

01:07:49.980 This is writing 101.

01:07:51.600 I could follow every move.

01:07:53.500 Everybody else was in dull green and uniforms and so on.

01:07:57.620 And here's this big, you know, scarlet cardinal throwing her weight around. 0.72

01:08:02.200 And I mean, we've been talking about weight loss drugs, but she had a lot of heft to throw 1.00

01:08:09.600 around.

01:08:10.200 And, you know, that matters in fighting.

01:08:12.660 That matters.

01:08:13.400 They do.

01:08:14.000 It's true.

01:08:14.660 You know, arrange fighting by weight class.

01:08:17.440 And I've been running.

01:08:18.760 Yeah.

01:08:19.040 She was in the upper classes of the weight class thing there. 1.00

01:08:22.360 Uh, okay.

01:08:23.940 So, you know, since January 6th, uh, we've been told that any form of unruly behavior on

01:08:32.240 the part of people who, uh, you know, are protesting government policy is, it's terrible.

01:08:40.560 Insurrection tantamount to overthrowing the constitution.

01:08:44.220 But of course, this isn't, um, they, they want a special, uh, category for this.

01:08:50.840 They're just doing oversight.

01:08:52.360 It looked like black Thursday, Megan, everything in American politics is starting to look like 0.98

01:08:57.440 black Thursday, you know, as people try to get that cheap Walmart TV before the rest of

01:09:03.020 the people that are, that, that our civic life and, and Congress people are adding to

01:09:09.560 this has degenerated into some kind of Donnybrook that you'd see outside, you know, a Best Buy

01:09:15.520 on black Friday is, is really sad.

01:09:18.680 And I, and, and I, I hate to be, I don't mean to be conspiratorial, but they were there knowing

01:09:24.600 this was going to happen.

01:09:25.920 They wanted the attention.

01:09:27.620 They were there to get in people's faces and she wore red for it the same way you wear red 0.99

01:09:32.400 to an awards dinner.

01:09:33.440 And, and, and, and AOC's, uh, you lay a finger, all this kind of Jenny from the block, you

01:09:42.520 know, I'm just Bronx girl telling you, you know, what's going on this, this, I, I hate

01:09:49.260 to put it this way, but this kind of, you know, streetification of our politics where

01:09:54.380 everybody's acting like, you know, they're a Crip or a blood or a, you know, Latin King 1.00

01:09:59.060 or whatever.

01:10:00.300 Yeah.

01:10:00.820 Jasmine Crockett is, it's not an orchestrated plan, but it seems to be something.

01:10:09.140 It's, it seems to be a, a, a temptation that they're all giving into, you know, maybe this

01:10:15.100 kind of works on TV.

01:10:16.220 Maybe American voters are at the point where we can just turn this into, you know, wrestling,

01:10:22.320 not, not like wrestling, but wrestling.

01:10:25.800 Actual.

01:10:26.620 Yeah.

01:10:27.240 Your comment about don't wear red to the protest, if you don't want to, you know, be seen reminded

01:10:32.300 me of one of my favorite moments on Twitter ever, where it was one of those situations

01:10:37.460 where two people committed a crime and then one called the other and got them on tape admitting

01:10:42.360 the crime and the P the piece of advice was, you know, pro pro tip when you have committed

01:10:48.720 a crime with another person and that person calls you up after the fact and tries to go

01:10:54.380 over every detail of the crime you committed together.

01:10:57.420 The only proper response is no, that is not a thing.

01:11:03.260 That's, that's it.

01:11:05.880 There's, you know, exactly what's happening.

01:11:08.540 That is not a thing.

01:11:09.820 Do not wear the cardinal red to the protest unless you wish to be caught on camera.

01:11:14.420 And here's more of representative La Monica McIver, Democrat of New Jersey, verbally berating 1.00

01:11:20.660 the ICE agents on the scene.

01:11:22.300 She's touching the ICE agent.

01:11:35.540 He assaulted me.

01:11:50.380 So there she plays the victim. 0.96

01:12:10.180 You have the nerve to put your hands on me.

01:12:11.580 After the video we just saw where she was actually physically touching and pushing and assaulting. 1.00

01:12:17.420 It's right there on the videotape, multiple ICE agents and law enforcement agents.

01:12:21.540 There's more video of it.

01:12:22.620 We'll show you here.

01:12:24.400 This is video one.

01:12:25.840 This is released by DHS appearing to show her making physical contact with more ICE officers

01:12:30.400 in the scrum.

01:12:33.060 There's a lot of this.

01:12:34.420 This woman's going to be in a lot of trouble. 1.00

01:12:35.680 She's physically, obviously, this is assault. 0.91

01:12:38.740 This is legal assault.

01:12:40.300 And yet to read the mainstream media coverage of this, of course, would have you think it's

01:12:46.840 just the mean, evil ICE agents who assaulted these poor, sweet members of Congress who are 0.54

01:12:53.480 just going there to look over what was obviously an inappropriate and disgusting ICE facility because

01:13:00.260 we don't care about migrants. 0.89

01:13:01.640 Ultimately, they were allowed in and their tour resulted in them saying, oh, it's actually

01:13:08.680 really clean and nice in there.

01:13:10.840 Even they, even these loons had to admit it.

01:13:14.100 So I think we're going to get a lot more of these.

01:13:15.820 Do you not?

01:13:17.300 Oh, obviously it got attention.

01:13:20.180 This is the Democrat version of Trump's chew toy.

01:13:23.720 They're going to have to stage a Donnybrook, a free for all, you know, hit each other with

01:13:28.220 chairs on the stadium floor every couple of weeks because they use it to illustrate social

01:13:35.100 problems.

01:13:35.820 They think that they get the best of this because they send an anti-authoritarian message.

01:13:41.920 But from what I just saw there, the ICE agents, the last thing they want to be doing is getting

01:13:47.840 body checked by big ladies in red dresses. 0.58

01:13:50.540 They are not acting aggressively.

01:13:53.920 Their job is not to go after Congress people.

01:13:57.220 It's to act as police and guards in this facility.

01:14:02.820 Unless you're going to question the right of the facility to exist, then why come bashing

01:14:08.420 in there?

01:14:08.980 America has institutions which are policed, prisons, detention facilities, all kinds of

01:14:20.820 things.

01:14:21.500 And you come running in there and trying to start something.

01:14:28.820 And I don't think the first thing that the ICE agent wants to do is come out of that the

01:14:34.200 bully.

01:14:35.260 They seem to be backing up all over the place.

01:14:37.820 And when you look at the crowd shots, they're in the minority.

01:14:40.760 They're outnumbered.

01:14:43.120 The spokesperson for ICE comes out, for DHS, I should say, comes out and says that there

01:14:54.540 will be more arrests, which I would expect.

01:14:56.920 I think that that woman we've been looking at, Ms. LaMonica McIver, is probably going to 0.97

01:15:02.600 get the cuff slapped on her soon. 0.96

01:15:04.060 And the Democrats are going to treat it like they treated the arrest of that one judge in

01:15:10.380 the Midwest who escorted the illegal right out of her courtroom after she threw ICE out.

01:15:16.360 You know, like the Democrat behaves badly, even unlawfully, and then faces the natural

01:15:23.160 consequences of that behavior.

01:15:25.360 And then they cry victim.

01:15:27.640 Oh, boo-hoo, poor me, the mean, mean ICE agents, the mean, mean Republicans, the mean, mean Trump

01:15:33.500 administration.

01:15:34.140 So I think the public's kind of used to this.

01:15:36.780 They're getting used to this behavior.

01:15:38.500 I don't know how many dividends this is going to pay.

01:15:42.960 Oh, I think it pays no dividend at all.

01:15:45.500 One of the talking points for the Democrats has been that Trump ushers in chaos.

01:15:49.760 And so in order to, you know, reaffirm that with the people, they have to keep stirring

01:15:56.620 chaos.

01:15:57.540 So expect this to keep going on.

01:15:59.700 That's right.

01:16:00.320 That's a good point.

01:16:00.840 You know, but going back to the Luigi killing, what we've seen since Trump was elected was

01:16:07.560 an inability to prevail at the ballot box, followed by this kind of renaissance in direct

01:16:14.580 to action at the street level, civil disobedience, all the way to David Brooks writing in the

01:16:19.980 New York Times, it's time to have an uprising, or J.B.

01:16:23.280 Pritzker the other day saying, you know, it's time for civil disobedience.

01:16:27.320 They've been calling for this directly, and we're seeing it now.

01:16:31.160 So for them to suddenly proclaim themselves innocent, passive victims after their leaders 0.99

01:16:36.240 have been saying, get out there, do what you can, get in their face is ridiculous. 0.96

01:16:42.500 Yeah, it's a bit rich. 0.95

01:16:45.280 And speaking of people who continue to play the victim, even though they're not, here is

01:16:51.220 today's Daily Dose of Michelle Obama, who has been out there trying to promote her terrible

01:16:57.520 podcast that has absolutely no fan following.

01:17:01.140 And she decides everything she says and does is a complaint, everything.

01:17:05.440 And so she winds up talking to Tina Knowles, also better known as Beyonce's mother, about

01:17:14.280 marriage and divorce, which is Michelle's favorite topic, one of them at least.

01:17:20.720 Number one is how much she hates her time as First Lady. 1.00

01:17:23.340 She hated it.

01:17:24.120 And number two, I mean, because you could go either way, how racist the country is and

01:17:28.040 how much she can't stand it.

01:17:29.100 And then we're coming in, at least in the top three, is her negative comments about her

01:17:35.000 husband and her marriage.

01:17:36.540 Here she is talking with Tina Knowles about number three, sort of.

01:17:41.600 I love the way you talk about the need to get your independence because your marriage wasn't

01:17:52.580 always what it should have been.

01:17:55.480 Right.

01:17:55.740 OK, so she's going right in like independence is what it's about. 1.00

01:18:02.000 Of course, you know, you had a shitty marriage. 0.99

01:18:04.720 I can totally relate. 0.99

01:18:05.780 And then can I just show you one more?

01:18:08.200 Look at SOT 23.

01:18:09.940 No, no, no, no, no.

01:18:10.920 I'm sorry.

01:18:11.320 It's the VO, VO six, where the two of them get up and they start dancing.

01:18:17.140 And this is part of the Michelle Obama attempted reinvention.

01:18:20.840 I'm sorry, but I'm not impressed to make herself into something cool.

01:18:25.920 Here she is again.

01:18:27.060 Make herself into something cool, Walter, that like we can relate to.

01:18:30.920 She's a cool girl because she was first lady and that she can get up there and dance with 1.00

01:18:35.860 Beyonce's mom.

01:18:37.220 I'm sorry. 0.99

01:18:38.060 But all I can think is you hate the country, you hate your husband and a couple of lame

01:18:44.660 steps to the left, steps to the right ain't going to cure it.

01:18:48.180 The whole dancing thing, of course, crested during COVID with all those propaganda nurse 0.65

01:18:54.960 orchestrated dances that were meant and teachers and teachers and so on.

01:19:01.380 We really have gotten the body, the human body into American politics and the way the

01:19:06.240 rest of the world must be just looking at.

01:19:08.700 I mean, is there any other country in the world where they do this much dancing?

01:19:13.160 Um, the reason they do all this dancing is because they don't have any arguments.

01:19:18.360 They can't speak.

01:19:19.520 They can't converse.

01:19:20.620 They can't argue.

01:19:21.740 So the person who are we going to have a dance off for the U.S.

01:19:25.600 president next time?

01:19:26.520 I mean, it looks like it might come at least in the next 20 years.

01:19:30.480 I don't think she's going to win.

01:19:31.500 I think Trump will win that one, too.

01:19:33.760 But but OK, so the other night I was I was on the Greg Gutfeld show and we were doing a

01:19:39.520 bit about how the press is complaining that Melania isn't spending enough time in the 1.00

01:19:44.840 White House.

01:19:46.260 She's only been there for 14 days during this whole term so far.

01:19:50.620 But what happens with every first lady after they get out of there is they tell you how 0.99

01:19:55.480 much they hated living in the White House, what a trap it is, what a prison it is, how

01:20:01.280 how absolutely suffocating the role of first lady is.

01:20:05.100 You know, here's Melania just saying, I got other things to do and other houses to live

01:20:08.720 in and they're criticizing her.

01:20:10.980 But, you know, on the other hand, we have Michelle telling us about this long incarceration 0.99

01:20:15.960 and her marriage and her role and her White House and so on, while she dances finally free

01:20:22.560 of the dude, of the house, of the place.

01:20:27.600 And no wonder she has no audience because nobody likes to tune into a podcast to hear somebody's 0.99

01:20:36.320 sad stories about themselves.

01:20:38.940 Yes.

01:20:39.360 Yes.

01:20:39.860 All her whining. 0.94

01:20:40.920 Here she is again.

01:20:42.180 This this woman, Tina Knowles.

01:20:45.220 OK, I don't know what she's done in her own right.

01:20:47.440 I'm sure she's accomplished some things.

01:20:49.000 But being Beyonce's mother is interesting.

01:20:51.580 So, of course, a good interviewer would make it all about that, frankly.

01:20:55.680 But Michelle, typical, makes it all about one other thing. 1.00

01:20:59.500 Michelle, here is an example.

01:21:01.620 How does it feel to share your story with the world?

01:21:05.300 Because let me tell you, when I wrote Becoming, I shared this.

01:21:11.100 It's not about me, but what I'm saying is that, you know, I was all confident writing the book.

01:21:16.000 Yeah.

01:21:16.400 And then the day it was coming out, I could not sleep because I thought, oh, my God, I

01:21:22.380 told everybody everything.

01:21:23.960 Everything.

01:21:24.320 OK, and by the way, she dials up her like accent, you know, her street accent. 1.00

01:21:32.160 I told everybody everything.

01:21:33.720 She doesn't talk like that.

01:21:35.720 She didn't used to talk like that. 1.00

01:21:37.720 And and they call it code switching.

01:21:40.260 And they've given it, you know, this big rationale that you have to, you know, when you're a member

01:21:46.200 of a certain community, be able to talk to the street and be able to talk to the, you know,

01:21:50.760 ambassador and go back and forth.

01:21:54.540 All of that tells me you have no self.

01:21:57.280 What we used to call that was chameleonism.

01:21:59.980 And it meant that you are completely driven by impressing whoever you're trying to sell

01:22:05.600 something to such that you'll completely change your personality.

01:22:08.780 The idea that she is an AOC does this and a lot of politicians do this. 0.57

01:22:16.540 Oddly, Trump doesn't.

01:22:17.780 Trump always talks like Donald Trump, no matter how inappropriate, no matter how inappropriate

01:22:23.020 it is.

01:22:23.680 Trump could be out in the woods talking to loggers and he's still Donald Trump.

01:22:29.000 And frankly, I and I think that's one of his great advantages in this era of code switching

01:22:34.460 and chameleonism and, you know, targeted personalities.

01:22:39.340 And the problem with Michelle Obama is that she has no natural constituency.

01:22:44.820 You know, where's Barack?

01:22:47.940 He made her famous and now she's turning on him. 0.99

01:22:51.080 She's obviously on some really long runway to divorce or a breakup. 1.00

01:22:56.000 Maybe maybe their fortune is such that they can't get divorced in the way you and I can

01:23:01.200 by just walking out the door and saying, hey, buddy.

01:23:04.260 But they don't you know, she doesn't have to soften us up forever.

01:23:07.960 If she wants to go spread her wings, just do it, you know? 0.99

01:23:12.300 Well, every comment.

01:23:13.640 I mean, truly, this audience knows who we've been watching them about marriage, about Barack,

01:23:18.300 about relationships is comes from a dark place.

01:23:21.040 You can tell this woman is got a lot of issues. 1.00

01:23:23.660 She's bitter, bitter about being his wife, about the career I guess she never had.

01:23:29.440 By the way, she was only first lady for eight years. 0.95

01:23:31.800 You can go have a legal career.

01:23:32.940 I could resume my legal practice tomorrow.

01:23:36.220 I'd have to fire up, back up my bar licenses.

01:23:38.160 I'd be fine.

01:23:38.740 You'd have to take some continuing legal education to get there.

01:23:41.240 You can do it.

01:23:42.120 Stop bitching and moaning about it. 1.00

01:23:43.860 Fucking do it. 1.00

01:23:44.920 Stop. 1.00

01:23:45.700 Instead, she wants to be loved in the podcast lane.

01:23:48.700 She's failing and she's getting progressively more bitter.

01:23:52.460 Here she is, listen here, talking about, oh, now it's everyone's problem.

01:23:56.460 It's not just her problem in her relationship.

01:23:58.080 It's what we do to girls. 1.00

01:23:59.680 You see, we're sending the wrong messages to girls. 0.51

01:24:02.340 Watch, 23.

01:24:03.800 I'm trying my best because I know that when it comes to raising daughters and women,

01:24:10.740 you know, we're socialized to think that we aren't good enough.

01:24:15.260 We're socialized to think that we need somebody else to make us whole.

01:24:20.180 And that starts so young.

01:24:22.000 I mean, it starts with Barbie dolls and Ken and the wedding dress and the questions that

01:24:28.240 we ask our daughters.

01:24:29.460 I'm trying to figure out how to not program that in my girls and the girls in my life

01:24:35.440 because, you know, if you ask somebody, are you dating somebody?

01:24:39.380 You know, they might be happy, but then you're asking them, well, you're happy, but are you

01:24:44.640 dating somebody?

01:24:46.000 And then they're dating somebody and then it's like, oh, you're dating somebody when you're

01:24:49.340 getting married.

01:24:50.060 Right.

01:24:50.400 And then it's when you have a baby and when you're going to have a baby.

01:24:54.520 And that's not for everyone.

01:24:55.760 It's not for everyone.

01:24:57.880 It's definitely not for Michelle Obama.

01:24:59.860 It's a basically an F the patriarchy segment saying because there's a Ken doll, we're socializing

01:25:06.900 little girls to think they're not whole without a man, which is insane. 0.99

01:25:12.620 And by the way, most of us think cruising the institution of marriage and finding a life

01:25:18.620 partner is something that's a laudable goal that actually will make your life happier,

01:25:24.500 Michelle.

01:25:25.120 And it doesn't have to come at the expense of a woman's independence.

01:25:28.940 Only you think that.

01:25:31.960 Misery loves company, Megan.

01:25:33.940 And if you've ever been in a small town when somebody gets divorced, you know, if a woman 0.92

01:25:39.600 initiates a divorce, she wants all her friends to get divorced too, you know? 1.00

01:25:43.580 And then the, and then the minute she is, she's telling everybody how great it is and what

01:25:47.740 a good time it is.

01:25:48.760 And now she's got all this time on her hands.

01:25:50.960 Listen, Michelle, if you don't believe in women attaching themselves to powerful men, 0.67

01:25:57.280 then why did you attach yourself to one of the most ambitious Chicago politicians with

01:26:02.980 national ambitions ever?

01:26:05.820 I mean, we would not know your name.

01:26:08.480 I'm sorry if it were not for the fact that you married Barack and now you want to become

01:26:14.240 the spokesmodel for doing it your own way without a man.

01:26:18.800 It's so true. 0.84

01:26:21.400 It's just, she's so clueless. 0.72

01:26:23.760 And again, she's not nearly as self-aware as I thought she was.

01:26:27.480 She's one of those people who was much better off when she was behind the veil, when she 1.00

01:26:32.760 was benefiting from this over the top favorable media coverage of her as the second coming.

01:26:39.640 And now that she's insisting we get to know her better, her approval ratings, I guarantee

01:26:44.820 you are falling and she has absolutely no fan base.

01:26:48.040 And she's learning the hard way that, yeah, the real Michelle is actually not as quote becoming

01:26:53.280 as the image of Michelle Obama.

01:26:56.540 That was a fortune was spent on cultivating.

01:27:00.360 You know, I can't believe that as recently as last fall, people were hoping for the coming

01:27:05.520 of the democratic presidential Messiah, Michelle.

01:27:09.900 Oh, they're going to sweep her in at the last minute at the convention, you know, over and

01:27:14.660 over as though she was going to come down like the second coming and rescue everybody. 0.94

01:27:18.920 Well, I think we know why that is, because the more you see of her, especially in these

01:27:23.600 kind of public settings and doing her thing and, you know, trying her different masks on,

01:27:30.240 she's not a very persuasive or compelling person.

01:27:34.040 No, it's like she can read a speech.

01:27:36.280 That's what she can do.

01:27:37.140 She can read a speech. 0.95

01:27:38.380 Well, that's written for her by someone else.

01:27:40.880 And that's really seems like the alpha and omega of Michelle Obama's public talents.

01:27:45.800 All right.

01:27:46.100 We're going to take a quick break and then we're going to come back and I am going to

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01:31:05.080 I told this audience a couple of weeks ago, I guess it was last week after the Met Gala,

01:31:09.700 that Holly Berry had another entertainer say about her that she's bad in bed, 1.00

01:31:17.720 that this woman had been told by one of Holly Berry's ex-boyfriends that she's bad and boring in bed. 0.95

01:31:25.000 Now, negative things get said in public life, and nine times out of ten, you just ignore them.

01:31:31.840 Holly Berry felt the need to respond to that by saying at the time, like,

01:31:37.840 oh, just ask my man if you don't think I'm good.

01:31:40.940 It was like, what?

01:31:42.640 Who would do that?

01:31:44.620 And then provide references, you know, like, sure, ask my current man whether I'm boring in bed.

01:31:49.520 All right.

01:31:50.000 And then ever since then, I'm telling you, I've watched it happen.

01:31:53.160 She's gotten more and more inappropriate in her public behavior. 0.99

01:31:56.420 Like, more and more weird sex kitten photos, nude photos, sex posts. 0.99

01:32:01.140 I think Holly Berry has truly been on a downward spiral since that moment to, like, prove to us just what a sex kitten she is. 1.00

01:32:08.860 And I said this. 0.95

01:32:09.920 The audience knows I said this after the Met Gala last week.

01:32:12.640 And what do I wake up to today?

01:32:14.560 But this weird video that Holly Berry posts from her bed in Cannes, France, with her boyfriend, Van Hunt, advertising her Let's Spin Intimacy Gel in travel size.

01:32:34.480 For the listening audience, they're in bed, apparently naked.

01:32:38.740 Listen in.

01:32:39.280 So, I showed y'all how my day started, how my mother's day started.

01:32:46.000 And now, I'm going to tell you about, I'm not going to show you, I'm going to tell you about how my mother's day is going to end.

01:32:54.000 Isn't that right, man?

01:32:54.820 Yes.

01:32:55.480 I wish you'd hurry up, too.

01:32:59.260 First of all, we got our Let's Spin, because Let's Spin just came out in this cute little travel size.

01:33:04.980 And so, since we're in Cannes, France, I travel with it for the first time, and we're about to give it a spin.

01:33:11.400 You're about to Cannes with your van.

01:33:18.580 Happy Mother's Day once again, everybody.

01:33:21.040 I hope all of you are somewhere spinning.

01:33:25.080 Oh, my God.

01:33:25.760 I ain't never been so happy to have Mother's Day come to an end.

01:33:28.160 Oh, my God.

01:33:32.080 She looks like she's on drugs with that weird laughter.

01:33:35.240 She looks very bizarre. 0.98

01:33:37.820 Who celebrates Mother's Day by talking about how to lube up their vag with their boyfriend in bed from Cannes? 0.98

01:33:44.940 This is so bizarre, Walter. 0.99

01:33:46.760 Well, let's hope it's her vag. 0.99

01:33:48.560 And number two, let's hope it's her. 0.99

01:33:58.900 Oh, no.

01:33:59.940 We lost Walter in a critical moment.

01:34:02.940 What happened?

01:34:05.200 Holly Berry boomed into the podcast and cut him off. 0.99

01:34:08.520 He froze.

01:34:09.660 What's number two?

01:34:10.600 We have to know.

01:34:12.220 We've got to get Walter reestablished.

01:34:15.480 We all need to know what number two is.

01:34:20.400 What?

01:34:21.120 What, Steve?

01:34:22.860 Oh, yes.

01:34:23.460 We have to.

01:34:23.920 We have to.

01:34:24.580 We have to get him.

01:34:25.560 Wait.

01:34:25.900 Do we have to take a break?

01:34:26.820 Can I just I'll move on to something?

01:34:28.880 Yeah.

01:34:29.280 I'm going to work on something else, a different subject while you work to reestablish, Walter,

01:34:32.920 since we all have to know what number two is on Holly Berry.

01:34:36.760 Let's hope it's her vag was number one. 0.99

01:34:39.540 We don't know what number two is, but we're going we're going to find out. 0.94

01:34:42.760 We're looking forward to that.

01:34:43.780 OK, before we before we go back, I want to point to let's see.

01:34:49.400 There's a bunch of things here.

01:34:51.000 Dylan Mulvaney has partnered with Versace to be, I guess, a new spokesmodel.

01:34:57.440 Take a look at Dylan in his Instagram post from last week.

01:35:02.280 So twenty nine.

01:35:03.920 I think this is the best I've ever looked.

01:35:05.460 Pretty sure.

01:35:06.200 I'm pretty sure headed to a Versace event.

01:35:09.760 And yeah, I think I think this is it.

01:35:14.140 Right.

01:35:14.900 OK.

01:35:15.820 OK.

01:35:16.900 Love you. 0.98

01:35:17.300 There he is again, cosplaying, being a woman with an enormous fake boob. 0.93

01:35:27.820 He's obviously had breast implants, which is new, I think. 0.86

01:35:31.360 And he's wearing a Versace dress because he's celebrating the fact that he has been,

01:35:36.000 I guess, hired by Versace to endorse Versace's clothing.

01:35:41.060 And he's wearing last season's dress.

01:35:43.860 I just want you to know that it's a dress that was brought to me back in the fall for

01:35:48.620 me to possibly wear to the Al Smith dinner.

01:35:51.260 But I rejected it.

01:35:52.560 And it's a dress that Melania Trump wore on New Year's Eve as only Melania Trump could and

01:36:01.020 actually did look spectacular in it.

01:36:03.940 Here she is.

01:36:05.140 I mean, we should really do a who wore a best kind of side by side with Melania Trump as 0.99

01:36:10.940 one of my followers on Twitter put it, not just a woman, but the woman versus Dylan Mulvaney.

01:36:19.580 And what another colossal blunder for Versace, whose brand is already hemorrhaging.

01:36:25.400 They've already kind of gone down.

01:36:27.020 They're already kind of known as more of like a, it's not one of the top couture brands anymore.

01:36:32.100 It used to be.

01:36:32.740 But because of asinine moves like this, they've suffered. 0.93

01:36:36.060 And I'll be really surprised if I ever see Melania Trump wear Versace. 0.95

01:36:39.860 Again, you had literally one of the most beautiful women in the world wear your dress. 0.99

01:36:44.120 And you decided to counter that by putting a man who poses as a woman and gets off on 0.75

01:36:50.120 diminishing women by acting like a four-year-old as he claims he is one, wear the same dress. 0.56

01:36:56.440 It's a fail.

01:36:57.480 Still working on Walter.

01:36:58.860 Then I wanted to get to this from Chelsea Handler, who seems like an absolutely disgusting 1.00

01:37:06.640 person talking very casually about her many abortions.

01:37:11.840 Take a listen to her on the Burnouts podcast from me, from May.

01:37:18.140 Got pregnant a couple of times when I was a teenager and got abortions.

01:37:21.680 Thank God my parents had the sense to make sure that that happened.

01:37:25.280 And thank God I, as I got older and more mature, I understood that that's not what I'm cut out

01:37:30.420 for.

01:37:30.700 That's not my lifestyle.

01:37:31.840 And I'm good at a lot of different things, but that's just not one of them.

01:37:35.460 And that's okay.

01:37:36.260 Thank God my parents encouraged me to have my multiple abortions while I was in high school. 0.99

01:37:43.320 Where were those parents encouraging you not to have premarital sex or sex as a teenager 0.68

01:37:48.220 or unprotected sex or irresponsible sex and understand that you were making a very serious 0.63

01:37:54.300 choice in doing so?

01:37:55.400 Where were your parents then?

01:37:56.820 Again, you might be, instead of thanking God for those parents, on your hands and knees

01:38:00.980 praying to God to try to help you see the way, because you've clearly been raised by

01:38:05.100 people who are errant in their parental responsibilities.

01:38:09.040 I don't care whether you're pro-choice or you're not.

01:38:11.180 Every sane parent says to their child, please don't do this.

01:38:14.840 And if you are going to do this and you're going to go your own way, for the love of God,

01:38:18.920 please use protection.

01:38:20.460 Use multiple forms of protection.

01:38:21.800 Here are the weaknesses of the protection that are available so you know exactly what you're getting

01:38:25.680 into, and please, God forbid, if anything happens, you bring it to me, and we can help find our

01:38:31.820 way through it.

01:38:32.480 I'm disgusted by her, and I'm disgusted by her parents.

01:38:35.580 Back to Walter, thank God.

01:38:36.880 What is number two that Holly Berry, that we need to know about the Holly Berry segment?

01:38:41.980 Well, yeah, I'm sorry for the interruption. 0.93

01:38:46.660 I get one-on-one time with Megyn Kelly in front of the country, and then the damn internet goes 1.00

01:38:51.660 out. 0.99

01:38:52.140 What terrible luck.

01:38:54.460 Halle Berry.

01:38:55.880 She looked terrible.

01:38:57.200 She's trying to prove she's sexy and not a robot. 1.00

01:38:59.820 That means she is.

01:39:00.860 That means she's very anxious about her appeal.

01:39:04.120 I stood in line with her once at a seafood joint in Malibu.

01:39:07.500 She was a beautiful, flawless woman, just absolutely radiant.

01:39:13.100 She looked terrible there.

01:39:14.540 The guy who participated in that should be ashamed of himself.

01:39:19.520 I mean, what an exploitative thing to do.

01:39:22.100 It reminded me of Star 80, one of those movies about a model who goes downhill because a boyfriend

01:39:29.240 wants to get famous.

01:39:31.060 What an awful way to get his mug shown around the world.

01:39:34.920 That was sad.

01:39:39.880 I'm sorry she's so anxious about her sex appeal.

01:39:42.680 She's one of the most beautiful women in the world.

01:39:45.060 If she's not good in bed, that doesn't matter. 0.84

01:39:47.760 A woman doesn't have to be good in bed. 1.00

01:39:49.960 She just has to be beautiful, lie there, and available with nice lighting. 0.99

01:39:55.040 And say you're good in bed.

01:39:57.540 The secret of a woman being good in bed is to tell the guy he is. 0.99

01:40:02.880 No guy has ever complained that some beautiful woman just radiated her sex appeal and what 1.00

01:40:12.220 she's supposed to do.

01:40:13.680 Climb around, swing from the ceiling.

01:40:16.600 That's his job.

01:40:17.660 That is so true.

01:40:20.900 That's like Andrew Schultz, who's so funny, crass, but in a great way, who's like, all

01:40:26.120 you women, they're so worried about like this noise or this, you know, sort of fat, whatever. 1.00

01:40:31.120 We don't care. 0.91

01:40:32.340 We don't care.

01:40:33.600 We don't care about any of it.

01:40:35.280 Just as long as you're willing, we're cool.

01:40:38.420 Right.

01:40:39.220 And just say, I've never seen a man like you before.

01:40:42.520 And you're the best in bed we've ever had.

01:40:46.500 Then suddenly he's feeling the same about you.

01:40:48.680 You don't have to humiliate yourself and diminish your brand.

01:40:52.920 And as Walter points out correctly, you're sending exactly the opposite message of the

01:40:56.860 one you intend to convey about like, see how sexy I am.

01:40:59.600 I'm in bed.

01:41:00.460 No one would actually do that.

01:41:01.740 No one actually has to do that.

01:41:03.280 Who actually believes that they have sex appeal, like bring the lover in the bed and have

01:41:08.800 him keep commenting about how he can't wait to get on me. 0.97

01:41:11.780 It's so classless and gross. 0.98

01:41:14.940 And yes, she looks terrible.

01:41:16.660 But also, why do they need lube?

01:41:18.920 Why do they need lube? 0.97

01:41:20.840 They're both, you know, in other words, unless there's something really unnatural going on,

01:41:26.760 they shouldn't need lube.

01:41:28.740 She's getting older now, Walter.

01:41:31.140 But isn't that, isn't it the exact message that she doesn't want to send?

01:41:35.840 I mean, she was, she was telling us that she's a sex goddess a minute ago, and now she's 1.00

01:41:41.100 telling us she needs lube.

01:41:42.460 I want to know what flavor it was.

01:41:44.360 That's all I want.

01:41:45.140 Oh, good God.

01:41:45.940 I got to go.

01:41:47.200 Okay.

01:41:47.580 Big pleasure.

01:41:48.500 Big, not that big, but it was a pleasure.

01:41:50.600 Walter Kern.

01:41:51.540 Okay.

01:41:51.920 See you soon.

01:41:52.820 Kelly's Court tomorrow.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - May 12, 2025

Trump Takes On Big Pharma with Historic Drug Prices Exec Order, and Michelle Obama's Bitterness, with Walter Kirn ｜ Ep. 1070

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