The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump Tells Israel ＂Enough is Enough,＂ PLUS Truth About Carbs, Peptides, and Foot Health, with Dr. Paul Saladino and Mark Sisson ｜ Ep. 1298

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00:00:45.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show,

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00:00:51.300 hey everyone i'm megan kelly welcome to the megan kelly show and happy friday we've got a big health

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00:01:09.720 life but we've got to start with the latest on iran because there's breaking news here

00:01:14.180 and increasing signs that we may be getting close to a deal to end this thing permanently

00:01:19.360 Thank God.

00:01:20.560 Yesterday, a very upbeat President Trump saying Iran had already agreed to give up its pursuit of a nuclear weapon.

00:01:27.740 Watch. 0.78

00:01:28.620 The big thing we have to do is we have to make sure that Iran does not have a nuclear weapon,

00:01:32.580 because if they do, you want to talk about problems, you'd have problems.

00:01:36.500 So very important is that Iran does not have a nuclear weapon, and they've agreed to that.

00:01:42.680 Iran's agreed to that, and they've agreed to it very powerfully. 0.59

00:01:46.760 They've agreed to give us back the nuclear dust that's way underground because of the attack we made with the B-2 bombers. 0.82

00:01:53.160 So we have a lot of agreement with Iran, and I think something's going to happen very positive. 0.98

00:02:00.440 Well, since then, more this morning, Iran announcing that the Strait of Hormuz is back open, sending the price of oil down to about $88 a barrel.

00:02:09.920 So hopefully we can all get some relief at the pump soon, although that's not exactly how it works.

00:02:14.180 There's going to be a hangover effect, they say.

00:02:16.120 from these prices being jacked up for so long and the oil being backed up for so long.

00:02:21.120 President Trump posting on Truth Social, quote,

00:02:23.500 The Strait of Hormuz is completely open and ready for business and full passage,

00:02:29.160 but the naval blockade will remain in full force and effect as it pertains to Iran only

00:02:33.560 until such time as our transaction with Iran is 100% complete.

00:02:37.240 That's Mark's, that's our pressure point.

00:02:38.980 This process should go very quickly in that most of the points are already negotiated.

00:02:43.160 Thank you for your attention to this matter.

00:02:44.580 Iran saying that it opened the strait due to the ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon, which finally our dear close best ally agreed to, and that the ships still had to use Iran's designated routes.

00:02:59.880 In other words, you can't just go through the state of Strait of Hormuz yet.

00:03:03.740 You've got to go through the designated routes issued by Iran.

00:03:08.520 That ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon was brokered by the U.S.

00:03:12.140 and announced last night by President Trump.

00:03:14.240 Mr. Trump adding on True Social, quote, the USA will get all nuclear dust. 0.56

00:03:19.020 You heard him mention it in the soundbite, too, created by our great B-2 bombers. 0.78

00:03:22.940 No money will exchange hands in any way, shape or form. 0.89

00:03:25.660 This deal is in no way subject to Lebanon either, but the USA will separately work with Lebanon and deal with the Hezbollah situation in an appropriate manner.

00:03:36.120 So they're disagreeing on whether that had something to do with it.

00:03:38.400 But Iran is expressly saying they wouldn't have agreed to this if Israel had continued bombing Lebanon.

00:03:43.660 Trump goes on, Israel will not be bombing Lebanon any longer.

00:03:46.980 They are, in all caps, prohibited from doing so by the USA.

00:03:52.300 Enough is enough.

00:03:53.840 Thank you.

00:03:55.660 he writes, enough is enough. They're the reason we got into this war. They're the reason we were 0.73

00:04:02.560 not able to end it. Now, finally, they've agreed to stop bombing Lebanon. Thanks. So we can actually 1.00

00:04:11.320 try to wrap this thing up. Here's Steve Bannon reacting to that post, especially that last part

00:04:17.420 from President Trump. Watch. Israel will not be bombing Lebanon any longer. They are prohibited

00:04:25.640 from doing so by the United States of America.

00:04:30.600 Enough is enough.

00:04:33.960 America's greatest ally just got put on a report.

00:04:37.880 Let me repeat that.

00:04:40.060 And Tel Aviv Levin and Benji Shapiro,

00:04:44.100 the entire Israel First crowd,

00:04:46.260 the commander-in-chief of the United States military

00:04:49.280 had to go on a social media platform

00:04:52.500 to tell the world that we're not playing games anymore

00:04:56.420 with America's greatest ally.

00:04:58.940 If properly executed by the United States military

00:05:04.140 and the United States government,

00:05:05.020 it could be a landmark moment.

00:05:07.320 And of course, Tel Aviv Levin and Benji Shapiro

00:05:09.940 and all their acolytes and Miriam Adelson

00:05:12.680 and everybody, they're all up in arms.

00:05:14.140 They're all gonna be over President Trump.

00:05:15.860 He had to go out.

00:05:17.980 Enough is enough.

00:05:19.200 president trump as i say when he says no more games no games so he just put bb on notice no games

00:05:26.760 gotta tell you couldn't be more humiliating everybody on the israel first project all

00:05:35.180 your pom-poms nothing could be more humiliating than what the commander-in-chief was forced to do

00:05:41.500 on his social media platform so all the world saw it at the same time he told you

00:05:47.460 because they've said it behind the scenes and trying to be nice about it,

00:05:52.180 trying to be accommodating, and you just won't listen.

00:05:54.840 And Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz and that entire cabal in D.C.

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00:06:01.420 We're not doing this anymore.

00:06:03.160 You're not going to jeopardize the national security interests of our nation,

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00:06:14.780 And Lindsey Graham should pay for that. If the good folks in South Carolina really look at the

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00:08:17.080 by Supersure Insurance Agency, LLC, a licensed insurance agency. Axios is reporting this morning

00:08:23.980 that the U.S. and Iran are hammering out a three-page memorandum of understanding that

00:08:28.020 would formally end the war. That includes a voluntary moratorium on nuclear enrichment by

00:08:33.520 Iran. Talks are expected in Islamabad on Sunday with negotiations on what happens to Iran's

00:08:39.600 nuclear stockpile, the so-called nuclear dust. There's a back and forth, you know.

00:08:47.280 We wanted to take it. Iran wanted to keep it and dilute it. We may now send it to a third party. 0.99

00:08:53.520 Like, OK. They weren't anywhere close to having a nuclear weapon. Don't believe me.

00:09:00.660 That's what Tulsi Gabbard reported based on all the intelligence agency's best assessments just prior to our bombing Iran.

00:09:09.820 They weren't close to having a bomb. 0.89

00:09:12.860 We pretended that they were because we wanted to please Israel. 0.95

00:09:17.000 And Bibi Netanyahu talked us into believing that we could go in there, Venezuela style, and take out the Ayatollah. 0.92

00:09:22.640 And President Trump would be treated like a hero. And he could, you know, have that same feeling he had after Venezuela and after the June bombing of the three nuclear sites. And we have I don't know who leading Iran. I really keep saying it's regime change. No, it isn't. It's the same regime. It's a different person, but it's the same regime. 0.87

00:09:41.900 and we'll see. We'll see what happens with these people. President Trump is saying he may even

00:09:49.080 attend himself if a deal is reached over in Pakistan. Okay, great. And he'll wave some sort

00:09:55.220 of victory flag saying we all have to thank him for making the world a safer place. And it's not.

00:10:02.080 No one's rooting for Iran. We can't stand Iran. We know Iran is terrible, but you just wait 1.00

00:10:06.620 because we've created a lot more enemies there. 0.99

00:10:08.900 And domestic terror is how this group of people

00:10:12.040 responds to that kind of anger.

00:10:16.180 Whatever, I'm just glad it's ending.

00:10:17.940 I hope it's ending.

00:10:19.080 I don't really trust that it actually

00:10:20.860 is going to be honored by Israel or Hezbollah in Lebanon.

00:10:26.000 Do you?

00:10:27.380 I mean, President Trump says

00:10:29.820 he's ordered Israel not to do it. 0.98

00:10:33.040 So it's like, okay,

00:10:34.600 We'll see whether Netanyahu takes orders the way he gives them.

00:10:39.620 And then we'll see if Hezbollah, which is a terrorist organization, honors the truce.

00:10:45.560 All of that still hanging in the balance.

00:10:49.320 Axios is reporting that there are discussions now on whether the U.S. is going to release $20 billion in frozen Iranian funds.

00:10:56.180 If Iran does give up its stockpile of enriched uranium, President Trump, as we showed you earlier,

00:11:01.480 wrote on Truth that no money will exchange hands as part of the deal. That's a sleight of hand.

00:11:05.440 Something's going to exchange. There's been no iteration of this deal that didn't discuss

00:11:10.920 some sort of sanctions relief or monetary payment to Iran. So we'll see what the number is. Earlier,

00:11:18.200 it was just we were negotiating over the number. They wanted something like 25. We wanted to give

00:11:22.820 six. Then it landed at 20. So we'll see what the actual number is and how this thing winds up.

00:11:30.300 let's just get it wrapped up. That's all I care about. Stop the loss of life. Stop the

00:11:35.040 unintended consequences. Stop the economic pain that is raining down on Americans who are already

00:11:40.640 hurting as a result of oil over $100 a barrel, a log jam in the Middle East that was about to lead

00:11:49.980 to oil tankers having to dump the oil. After a while, if they can't pass through the strait,

00:11:54.920 there's nothing they can do with it. And by the way, it's still slow today. Here's what we're

00:11:58.280 seeing at the moment. The Wall Street Journal is reporting a maritime security company is advising

00:12:03.540 clients not to cross the Strait of Hormuz after Iran opened the waterway, or announced at least

00:12:10.020 that it was open. Chris Long, intelligence director at Neptune P2P Group, said two customers who were

00:12:16.500 considering sailing through the strait have been told to wait for guidance from regional and

00:12:19.740 maritime authorities. Iran was still asking vessels to go through a designated route. Long, a former

00:12:24.460 British Navy officer in the Persian Gulf said there was a risk Iran would have mined the area

00:12:29.460 outside of this trajectory. So let's see how quickly it gets going, because you got to be

00:12:34.560 a little concerned if you are the first to use it. Like last we heard, Iran didn't know where

00:12:41.680 the mines were. They weren't really sure where they'd left them. The U.S. military was trying

00:12:46.120 to demine the strait. By the way, President Trump in one of his posts today called it

00:12:49.880 the Strait of Iran, which is probably, you know, the best Freudian slip he's had in weeks. Yeah,

00:12:57.780 it wasn't really before. It was an open Strait of Hormuz used by everybody in the Middle East and

00:13:01.960 beyond. Now it's the Strait of Iran. Now they've realized they've got an economic pressure point

00:13:06.280 they can unleash on us. And we're keeping our ships there now to make sure that they don't

00:13:11.460 do anything, you know, no funny business while we wrap this thing up. But at some point,

00:13:15.960 our destroyers are going to leave. And we'll see how many times we have to go through this now with

00:13:21.780 Iran as things ratchet back up, because they've realized that they have a very powerful tool 0.99

00:13:26.160 that hurts us that they never used or realized before. This is brand new. So now, yay, we're 0.95

00:13:34.440 ending the war by getting them to open up the strait, which was open before we even started the 0.86

00:13:38.780 war. Great. And we're getting them to promise that they're not going to pursue a nuclear weapon,

00:13:43.580 which was something that the now dead Ayatollah

00:13:47.060 had already issued a fatwa against. 0.81

00:13:49.600 And we're getting them to give their nuclear dust,

00:13:52.700 which President Trump himself told us

00:13:54.240 was buried several feet underground

00:13:56.360 as a result of our bombing of the three nuclear sites

00:13:58.620 to maybe a third party, possibly back to us. 0.80

00:14:02.040 That's what we want.

00:14:03.480 He told us we didn't have to worry about it

00:14:05.140 because we have eyes on it via satellite

00:14:06.880 and it's all buried deep in the ground.

00:14:08.580 But now it's a huge deal point

00:14:10.120 that they're gonna give it to a third party.

00:14:11.900 They're gonna dig it up and give it to a third party.

00:14:13.380 So, okay, great, great, terrific. And they're going to be a lot richer as a result of either direct payments we're going to make to them for these agreements or the lifting of sanctions, which has been one of their main points all along, something they could only have dreamed about prior to the bombs being dropped.

00:14:28.540 So that's where things are. That's the honest truth. Let's be glad it's ending. That's that's what I care about. In the meantime, we have a problem back here at home with Haitian immigrants who continue to be rewarded for their illegal lawbreaking and coming into this country and staying here and taking advantage of taxpayers by Republicans, by Republicans.

00:14:50.320 First, it was Democrats, because what happened was under Joe Biden, he let 350,000 Haitians have temporary protected status in the United States. 1.00

00:15:00.860 And as soon as Trump got in, he revoked that, saying, Haiti is no longer a danger.

00:15:05.660 You have nothing you need to be protected from. Go home.

00:15:09.020 Well, the Democrats sued. And of course, they got a federal district judge to say, Trump was out of line.

00:15:14.820 You can't enforce that. And that's a case that's about to go up to the U.S. Supreme Court at the end of April.

00:15:19.560 But in the meantime, just in case the Supreme Court does the right thing, the Republicans decided to try to get in the way of that relief being provided to us and the Trump administration.

00:15:34.100 And some 20 of them sided with Democrats in the House last night to pass a bill that would continue the temporary protected status for the Haitians.

00:15:46.640 It passed the House thanks to Republicans who thought this was a good idea.

00:15:51.660 It's such a betrayal.

00:15:53.180 I mean, it's it is a betrayal.

00:15:55.080 They understand exactly what the Trump agenda was and why he was put in office, why they're in office.

00:16:01.640 And it's certainly not to make it easier on illegals.

00:16:05.340 So multiple, multiple Republicans, including Maria Salazar, our friend down in Florida, Republican, who's pushing the amnesty bill right now.

00:16:15.380 Of course, she voted for this. Don Bacon, Brian Fitzpatrick, Carlos Jimenez, Nicole Maliotakis, Mario Diaz-Bollart, Mike Lawler of New York, Mike Turner, Rich McCormick of Georgia, Mike Carey, Ohio, Kevin Kiley of California.

00:16:35.960 Democrats broke out into applause after it passed. And here here was the rationale given by the Republicans.

00:16:41.940 This really makes my blood boil. 0.94

00:16:44.680 Nicole Maliotakis of New York.

00:16:47.780 She has the same rationale that Mike Lawler of New York have.

00:16:50.720 Okay, this is my state for the vast majority of my life.

00:16:54.500 I'm only a recent convert over here to Connecticut.

00:16:57.480 This is their justification.

00:17:01.100 Maliotakis tells Fox News she voted yes on the temporary protected status extension because,

00:17:06.000 look, she says, I have a lot of healthcare workers in my district that are of Haitian

00:17:09.760 descent that are on temporary protected status. And my nursing homes, my healthcare facilities

00:17:15.800 have said that they're going to lose skilled staff at a time when there is a shortage. So it's the

00:17:20.500 right thing to do for my district. Lawler says basically the same. It'll cause a huge crisis in

00:17:24.600 our healthcare system, especially in an area like mine, where a lot of our Haitian temporary 0.99

00:17:28.520 protected status holders are nurses. Okay. This is so infuriating. And let me tell you why. Let me

00:17:33.940 tell you why. I've told you about my sister, right? My sister was seven years older than I am

00:17:39.540 she died a couple of years ago at age 58. And she'd had a very tough life. You know, it's like

00:17:47.280 my brother, my sister and I are all very different. And I, maybe you feel the same

00:17:52.580 based on your family. Like I'm convinced people come into this world with a certain

00:17:56.660 like temperament and like default personality nature. And it's, it can't really be changed

00:18:02.620 by parents or much. And my sister just always had it tough. She had a lot of challenges thrown her

00:18:11.360 way. And while she was very funny and very loving, very much a caretaker, she was convinced she had

00:18:18.380 bad luck. And it's bad to be convinced you have bad luck because it tends to become a self-fulfilling

00:18:23.240 prophecy. In any event, I loved her dearly and I miss her every day. And her three children who

00:18:29.720 are now grown do as well. But my sister, after having been thrown some major curveballs by life, 0.54

00:18:38.120 one thing she was always great at, as I said, was taking care of people. Her background was in 1.00

00:18:41.600 early childhood education. She was a stay-at-home mom for many years. She taught little kids for

00:18:46.300 many years. And then she tried to get into this kind of healthcare where you could go work in 1.00

00:18:53.340 like a nursing home. This is after, you know, the kids were older and she needed to pay her bills. 1.00

00:18:59.180 She had gotten a divorce.

00:19:01.000 There are all sorts of issues there.

00:19:02.900 And she really wanted to make a better life for herself 0.88

00:19:05.700 by getting a job in one of these nursing homes

00:19:07.400 and helping old people.

00:19:09.200 Well, it's a long story,

00:19:10.400 but as a result of some of her addiction problems

00:19:12.680 earlier in her adult life,

00:19:14.760 which I've talked to you about when she died,

00:19:17.320 she couldn't get a job in one of these facilities. 0.99

00:19:19.320 They're so hardcore, she couldn't get a job.

00:19:22.820 So this, I have to tell you, I deeply resent this.

00:19:25.760 So what are they doing? 1.00

00:19:26.580 They're hiring all these Haitian immigrants who are not even here lawfully. 1.00

00:19:30.740 I mean, technically, they're not breaking the law because we've given them temporary protected status. 1.00

00:19:34.940 But they don't belong here. 0.95

00:19:36.260 They're not citizens. 0.94

00:19:37.020 They don't have green cards. 1.00

00:19:38.120 We give them this temporary status.

00:19:40.740 And then we put them throughout these places like the nursing homes. 0.73

00:19:42.980 And then we won't deport them when a new president comes in to say, you got nothing if you're in Haiti.

00:19:47.320 You're going home.

00:19:48.460 That's not what TPS is for. 0.91

00:19:50.280 Because we say, oh, we need them in the nursing homes.

00:19:52.300 I guarantee you that there are thousands, tens of thousands of hurting Americans just like my sister who would love those jobs, who would give anything for those jobs.

00:20:05.160 And you tell me, do we have any idea whether any one of them has a problem similar to my sister's back in Haiti?

00:20:14.720 Do we know anything about their young adulthood and mistakes they made?

00:20:20.900 In my sister's case, through no fault of her own, she got swept up in the opioid crisis as a result of a doctor who told her this drug was not going to be addictive.

00:20:28.640 And it was like so many other people in America.

00:20:31.620 In any event, my point is simply, what do we know about them?

00:20:35.660 We know it's nothing. 0.98

00:20:37.120 Even in the height of COVID, when we all couldn't go out to dinner unless we proved we had a damn vaccine. 0.98

00:20:42.300 they were letting all these illegals in without any proof of vaccination. It's rules for thee, 0.97

00:20:47.220 but not for me. And it's the same damn thing. You know it very well. Do we know what their 0.98

00:20:51.900 criminal background is? Do we know what their addiction background is? Have we done any sort

00:20:56.900 of screening with the Haitian authorities on these people? And even if we had, would we believe two

00:21:03.020 words of it? But they can add total unfettered access to our elderly in these nursing homes. 0.99

00:21:08.640 and then that becomes the reason that we can't then deport them. 0.64

00:21:14.260 And they pretend at every turn that there are not Americans who want these jobs.

00:21:19.320 I'm here to tell you there are.

00:21:22.180 There are.

00:21:23.760 I've known and loved some of them. 1.00

00:21:26.220 So fuck you and your bullshit excuses, Representative Lawler and Nicole Maliotakis, 1.00

00:21:33.140 because I am a lifelong New Yorker, as was my sister. 1.00

00:21:36.920 And I know the truth. This is a shame, shameful thing to do. So they passed it. Now, the Senate is saying no dice over here, that this thing is not this attempt to, by law, extend the temporary protected status for them, that the Senate's not going to do it.

00:21:56.860 I don't I don't think President Trump will do it.

00:21:58.980 I certainly hope not if it were to get past the Senate. 0.89

00:22:01.860 But these lawmakers deserve to be named and shamed because this is a shell game by them of trying to satisfy a need that, in fact, should be satisfied by red blooded Americans. 0.96

00:22:17.440 who you've already thrown out, cast aside, and declared useless to you 0.90

00:22:25.260 for things that you would never hold against the Haitians.

00:22:31.220 There are strong lawmakers still in there, still in the U.S. Congress,

00:22:38.220 including one of our very favorite, and that's Brandon Gill.

00:22:41.140 He's a hero. This guy is awesome.

00:22:43.960 You know, we always show you the Brandon Gill soundbites where he cross-examines like nobody's business on Capitol Hill, and he's an honorable, honorable House of Representatives member.

00:22:53.760 It's so hard to find them, you know?

00:22:56.640 Truly, like, do you really want your kid to grow up to be a congressman?

00:23:00.560 Ugh.

00:23:01.720 Ugh, right?

00:23:03.060 That's how I feel.

00:23:04.220 Senator, maybe.

00:23:05.560 That's tougher.

00:23:06.920 The bar's a little higher.

00:23:08.280 But Brandon Gill makes me feel differently.

00:23:11.700 Brandon Gill still gives me something, someone to hold up on a pedestal for my kids to look at.

00:23:17.180 Like, you know what, there are honorable men in Congress, and he's one of them.

00:23:21.480 And here he is speaking out against this here in SOT1.

00:23:26.460 Temporary protected status, as its name implies, was originally designed to be just that, temporary.

00:23:33.380 And yet it's metastasized into what is effectively a permanent amnesty program for unvetted foreigners all over the globe.

00:23:43.760 There's roughly 350,000 Haitians covered under temporary protective status in the United States.

00:23:51.040 Of those, an estimated 91% entered this country illegally.

00:23:56.920 69 percent came in and estimated under the Biden administration. Does mass migration from Haiti

00:24:06.220 benefit the American people? The answer is obviously no. 65 percent of non-immigrant

00:24:15.980 Haitian-headed households are on welfare. Does that make America stronger or more prosperous 1.00

00:24:21.760 or more wealthy in any way?

00:24:24.020 Of course it doesn't.

00:24:26.280 Mr. Speaker, the central thesis

00:24:28.300 of the last election cycle

00:24:31.120 was the American people rejecting mass migration. 0.99

00:24:36.220 Right on.

00:24:38.020 And what of the communities 1.00

00:24:39.200 that are having to deal with these Haitians 1.00

00:24:40.720 who are not of our culture, 1.00

00:24:43.000 not of our shared values?

00:24:45.380 They come into these communities

00:24:46.860 and in many cases upend them 0.96

00:24:50.080 to a place where the residents

00:24:52.460 don't recognize their own communities.

00:24:55.380 Let me read you a letter

00:24:56.540 that was written to the editor

00:24:58.200 of the Dayton Daily News in Ohio,

00:25:01.100 February 16th, 2026.

00:25:04.060 Okay, and we've got, yeah, Mike Turner,

00:25:08.320 Republican from Ohio.

00:25:09.440 He voted for this.

00:25:10.800 He might wanna talk to the residents of his home state

00:25:13.200 because here's a letter

00:25:14.480 that was just written two months ago.

00:25:17.200 I'm tired of reading a one-sided view

00:25:18.900 of the Haitian influx in Springfield.

00:25:21.020 Their presence in Springfield and all of Ohio 1.00

00:25:23.000 has been detrimental,

00:25:24.260 but the only people the media interviews are pro-Haitian.

00:25:27.800 Our political leaders are not advocating

00:25:29.840 for the majority of the citizens.

00:25:32.160 There are some that work, but at lower wages,

00:25:34.940 less or no benefits and no complaints. 1.00

00:25:38.200 TPS Haitians have been treated better 0.98

00:25:40.100 than the citizens of Springfield.

00:25:42.060 There are many complaints of how rude

00:25:43.820 and entitled these people are

00:25:44.980 because they know they have the support of people

00:25:46.660 who are benefiting from their presence in some way.

00:25:48.900 financially, boosting self-importance or increasing congregations in church.

00:25:53.840 But no media interviews workers anonymously in the fields that deal with these problems,

00:25:59.420 like teachers, police, nurses, cashiers, workers at the Social Security office,

00:26:03.820 DMV, or the health department. The pro-Haitian media coverage has fueled the fire.

00:26:10.180 Think of it. These lawmakers are living in their nice communities, driving their BMWs,

00:26:16.640 shuttling back and forth as part of the Acela media group up and down between New York and

00:26:23.680 Washington or in Ohio's case, I guess they get on the planes and they don't they don't have to deal

00:26:30.580 with it. They want to pretend it's this magic, wonderful thing where we've filled this need and

00:26:35.440 there are no consequences to the communities or to those who are out of work and would like

00:26:39.980 to find a job. Here's more of that. This is a Springfield woman here in Satu from an August

00:26:46.680 community meeting. I was looking at the giant holes in some of our buildings. I noticed all

00:26:52.660 of the old familiar spots bearing new signs in an unfamiliar language. I watched as groups of

00:26:58.660 strangers walked around the city like lost tourists, and it was like a punch in the gut.

00:27:04.020 A terrible sadness came over me, and I began to cry. I immediately started to think back to when

00:27:09.720 i was little walking from my grandma's house on south fountain through downtown and all the way

00:27:14.940 to snyder park going to ren's to get new school clothes and shoes the excitement of the mall for

00:27:20.440 lunch at the blue fox or even better to see santa riding down high street admiring the beauty of

00:27:26.500 those stately homes and their amazing architecture dropping pennies in the fountain and making wishes

00:27:32.080 and now all those warm memories are becoming fuel to the fire of anger inside of me i feel like we

00:27:39.020 have been invaded by some sort of pest. I'm angry that my friends and family are packing up and

00:27:44.320 moving away. I'm angry that foreigners are using up the resources that were set up for the Americans 1.00

00:27:50.540 that reside here. I'm angry that another country's flag was being flown in our city. I'm angry when I 1.00

00:27:57.580 see our businesses and recreational areas littered with garbage left by people that do not know or

00:28:03.180 understand our laws and culture and are making no attempt to learn about them and let me be clear 0.81

00:28:09.500 this is not about race this is about people being given the privilege of coming here from another

00:28:15.340 country and having no respect for our people our land or our life's work people living their life 1.00

00:28:22.120 here the way they did in haiti angry stealing polluting living in filth and acting like animals 1.00

00:28:28.220 these are not civilized people opening containers in our grocery stores helping themselves to what's 0.85

00:28:34.680 inside and throwing the rest onto the shelves and floors pulling off of the highway to publicly

00:28:39.520 clean and gut the roadkill lying there in front of anyone that passes by stealing animals from

00:28:45.520 farmers and leaving their severed heads at the site of an old school where children play

00:28:49.720 relieving themselves in public making some barbaric stew out of the birds that live in our

00:28:55.920 park. This is insanity, and it has to stop. It was August 13th, 2024, before the election,

00:29:04.420 and it was one of the things that drove the election, was President Trump's promise to put

00:29:09.660 an end to this insanity allowed by Joe Biden. The consequences of his open borders and his

00:29:15.820 temporary protected status for Haitians and others continue to be visible day after day after day.

00:29:25.920 Was it last week that President Trump posted the horrific video on True Social of the temporary protected status Haitian murdering a clerk at a gas station?

00:29:42.280 It was horrifying.

00:29:45.280 Viewer warning.

00:29:46.240 This is disturbing. 0.97

00:29:48.520 He murders her with a hammer. 0.98

00:29:51.300 Oh, God. 0.90

00:29:52.240 Oh, it's awful.

00:29:53.400 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:29:54.120 It's awful.

00:29:55.540 It's awful.

00:29:57.880 It's so brutal.

00:30:01.540 Oh, my God.

00:30:02.540 It's so brutal, you guys.

00:30:04.680 She worked there at the convenience store.

00:30:06.900 I don't know what he was doing, but she came outside to tell him to stop,

00:30:09.640 and he beat her to death with a hammer in cold blood.

00:30:16.440 By the way, she was a store clerk inside the gas station there

00:30:20.160 saying that he has confessed to the murder.

00:30:23.600 He's been charged with murder as well. According to the Miami Herald, she this this perpetrator first entered the United States in August 2022 under Joe Biden.

00:30:32.800 He was released into the country under the Biden administration. A federal judge issued a final order of removal still in 2022.

00:30:39.900 But the Biden administration granted him temporary protected status, which expired in 2024.

00:30:47.020 So, of course, he didn't honor that.

00:30:50.700 Haitian migrant allowed temporary protected status.

00:30:56.080 The victim has not been identified.

00:30:57.420 Otherwise, I'd be saying her name.

00:31:00.000 They're not all murderers.

00:31:01.680 It doesn't matter.

00:31:03.080 They're not from our culture.

00:31:04.360 They don't share our values. 1.00

00:31:07.120 The United States and Haiti have virtually nothing in common, okay? 1.00

00:31:12.060 This is absurd. 0.96

00:31:13.480 And there are Americans who are still hurting and still need jobs.

00:31:16.400 shame on you we expect this from the democrats this is openly part of their platform to allow 0.80

00:31:22.620 as many illegals here as possible through any means possible but you republicans you were

00:31:27.700 elected to do something else shame on you for not living up to that i want to keep going um

00:31:35.120 there's more to discuss here there is a concern about the the approach that we've settled on in

00:31:42.620 the Trump administration these days on illegal immigration. We opened our show with these

00:31:46.900 concerns the other day. And we said that effectively the nutcases in Minneapolis had

00:31:53.220 won that war. DHS ICE got out of Minneapolis. We did not reverse Minneapolis' sanctuary city

00:32:01.620 status. Tom Holman was not able to talk them into that. So they are not cooperating when they have

00:32:07.680 an illegal who is in jail there who gets arrested on some petty anti-crime, they will not call ICE

00:32:14.400 before they release that person back out onto the streets, though Tom Homan has tried.

00:32:18.440 He's managed to do it in a couple of other cities in Minnesota, but not Minneapolis.

00:32:23.520 So we lost that battle, and we lost it in more ways than just when it comes to Minneapolis. Of

00:32:28.160 course, we've changed the entire immigration approach. As we discussed, you know, Christy

00:32:33.260 Noam and Greg Bovino, who were in there before, were hardline and really were very determined to get rid of everyone and to make a showing of it in order to deter more people from thinking about coming.

00:32:46.640 Tom Homan is more worst first, period, and he's an honorable man and will do what the Trump administration tells him.

00:32:53.760 But he was sent into Minneapolis and other cities now to take a different approach, to not go as hardline.

00:33:01.140 And we reported this to you the other day. Some people said, no, it's not true. It's true. It's trust me. It's true. And now we hear basically exactly that from the new DHS secretary, Mark Wayne Mullen, who in an interview yesterday with CNBC said the following. Take a listen.

00:33:21.240 We do have a different leadership style. 0.93

00:33:24.380 We're still enforcing immigration laws. 1.00

00:33:26.100 We're still deporting illegals that shouldn't be here. 1.00

00:33:28.120 We're still going after the worst of the worst. 0.96

00:33:30.420 But we're doing it in a more quiet way because my goal in six months is to not have DHS on the lead story every day.

00:33:38.780 We want to make sure people understand we're here working for the people, not against you.

00:33:44.600 Going after the worst of the worst.

00:33:46.260 How about all the others?

00:33:47.240 The mandate was everyone.

00:33:48.880 The mandate was everyone.

00:33:50.500 That's what we wanted. That's what we voted for. And by the way, that's what we were promised by President Trump himself.

00:34:00.240 Now we're going to go after the worst of the worst. Again, that's all he mentions.

00:34:03.760 But we're going to do it in a more quiet way, in response to which Greg Bovino, who's no longer commander at large of the Border Patrol, says, quote, on X.

00:34:12.380 How exactly does the quiet way cause mass deportations or the use of the CBP home app, which is never mentioned anymore?

00:34:21.140 It's called taking ownership of a mission, not dodging it.

00:34:24.980 Mass deportations is what we are after, not being quiet.

00:34:29.260 This, as the head of ICE, Todd Lyons, who's been a key factor in Trump's mass deportation agenda, is resigning effective end of May.

00:34:39.340 Why?

00:34:40.540 What's forcing him out?

00:34:42.200 I'd love to know more.

00:34:43.940 I hope he gives some sort of an interview

00:34:45.300 on the record or off

00:34:46.560 because I'll bet you there's more to that story.

00:34:49.160 This is what the American people care about. 0.99

00:34:51.880 This, we don't give a shit about the Strait of Hormuz, 0.98

00:34:55.880 but we do care about what happened to that woman 0.98

00:34:58.440 at that convenience store

00:35:00.300 and TPS status for 350,000 Haitians 1.00

00:35:04.640 who have absolutely no shared culture or values with us. 1.00

00:35:08.260 Not to mention the millions. President Trump is the one who put it at 20 million. Our numbers were closer to 9 million that Joe Biden let in. But take your pick. It almost doesn't matter where we've deported. What, like maybe a total of two and a half with the ones who left voluntarily and the ones that we actually managed to deport.

00:35:28.580 The Democrats have fought at every turn to keep the numbers low and to stop the effort.

00:35:33.140 We continue to fight these battles in court.

00:35:35.300 What we don't need is Republicans giving an assist to the other side, and we don't need Republicans pulling back with the new, softer, gentler sounding Stephen Miller, with the new DHS secretary talking about only worst of the worst and a quieter, more gentle approach, whatever he said.

00:35:54.080 We don't need that.

00:35:55.360 We need pedal to the metal.

00:35:56.420 And it just doesn't feel like that's where our energies or our focus are right now.

00:36:04.040 OK, let's keep going.

00:36:06.880 There's Gavin Newsom, who we've discussed this week as the number two contender for the Democratic nomination.

00:36:13.040 The polls show that Kamala Harris is double digits ahead of him amongst Democrats when you ask who they want their nominee to be.

00:36:18.980 So thumbs up on that.

00:36:22.540 But Gavin Newsom is not going to go down without a fight.

00:36:26.420 Many people see him as their best hope because he's a white, straight, Christian guy, and the Democrats really just want to win.

00:36:35.020 And if they think, notwithstanding their adherence to identity politics, if that's what's going to help them win, then they're going to go with Gavin Newsom.

00:36:40.900 We'll see. Plus, Kamala Harris is an idiot, which they know, but we'll see if they make the same mistake twice. 1.00

00:36:46.960 You know what they say? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. 1.00

00:36:52.420 Gavin Newsom is still out there doing his little tours,

00:36:57.000 trying to gin up support for himself

00:36:58.460 by saying it's just his book tour,

00:37:00.000 but we all know what this is.

00:37:01.040 It's like a soft launch to his presidential campaign.

00:37:03.460 And one of the ways, as I say,

00:37:05.660 that he's doing it is pushing his book

00:37:07.240 and going on all these book appearances and podcasts

00:37:11.260 and book talks and so on.

00:37:13.980 And his book is doing rather well.

00:37:15.640 It hit the New York Times bestseller list.

00:37:18.040 And do you remember what I've told you before?

00:37:21.720 thanks to my husband, Doug, who is an author who actually writes his own books and sells them and

00:37:26.540 they do well. And he earns whatever accolades he deserves with sales or, or not, you know,

00:37:32.820 depends on the book, um, the old fashioned way by creating a relationship with an audience that

00:37:38.300 loves the books or doesn't. And, um, by the way, the, his new book is coming out in May and you've

00:37:44.700 got to check it out. It's, uh, the, I always forget the first, the prelude to it, the last

00:37:49.520 case of Emanuel Nobel. No, Nobel, the lost empire of Emanuel Nobel. Nobel as in, you know, Nobel

00:37:55.220 prizes. That was his uncle, Alfred Nobel. Emanuel built the family's huge fortune in Russian oil.

00:38:02.140 He's like the guy who built the biggest oil industry in the world, bigger than Rockefeller,

00:38:08.520 bigger than Rothschild, bigger than anyone. And unfortunately for Emanuel Nobel, as he was doing

00:38:14.800 that, there was another man coming up in Russia, and that man's name was Joseph Stalin. And the

00:38:22.580 clash of these two titans is the subject of Doug's latest book, The Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel,

00:38:28.720 How It All Went Down, is a great story. Anyway, you can pre-order it now. I digress.

00:38:35.860 Gavin Newsom has a bestseller too, and Gavin Newsom bought his way onto the New York Times

00:38:41.960 bestseller list. We now know, as I've told you in the past, thanks to Doug's knowledge of the

00:38:46.300 New York Times list, you get a little dagger next to your name if you buy your way onto the list

00:38:53.260 with bulk sales. And that's what Newsom did with his book. It's now come out in the New York Times.

00:39:02.960 They would know. They're the ones who talk about how they gave him a dagger.

00:39:06.040 They did it because they saw the bulk sales.

00:39:09.440 And how did he do it?

00:39:10.680 They write that he rolled out this intriguing offer to his formidable email list of supporters.

00:39:17.480 Donate anything to my political group, and I will send you a copy of my book, Young Man in a Hurry, a memoir of discovery.

00:39:26.760 Make a contribution of any amount today, and I will send you a copy, he wrote.

00:39:30.200 It turned out about 67,000 supporters did just that.

00:39:33.560 That's two thirds of all his sales. Two thirds of his sales were via this scheme where he said,

00:39:46.180 make a donation of even a dollar and I will send you my book. It was his PAC, his political action

00:39:52.880 committee that paid over $1.5 million to buy all those books and then distribute them through this

00:40:00.680 donation program. This is unbelievable. So they bought his way onto the list. They tried to give

00:40:05.620 him a feather in his cap that he could brag about to talk about how he's got a New York

00:40:09.700 Times bestseller now. And it was all a scam just to make him look good and try to force his book

00:40:16.800 on people who, you know, they wanted to read his sob story about how he's allegedly born a poor 0.98

00:40:22.080 black child. Maybe not black, but poor child who was raised basically by the Gettys and had 0.94

00:40:28.740 millions of dollars foisted on him by that very rich family, which effectively adopted him. 0.97

00:40:33.680 So he's a dishonest person, this we knew. And if you want an example of that, I'm going to show

00:40:39.620 you the following clip. It comes from March 25th. It is from Oak Park, California, and it is at a

00:40:46.720 press conference where Governor Newsom appeared to kick off a new program to recruit 10,000 young

00:40:52.560 men who he wanted to step up for their communities to work on things like volunteer for things like

00:40:58.640 Disaster response, climate action, education, community service, and so on.

00:41:04.700 And here was Gavin Newsom in his speech to the California young people that day.

00:41:13.080 This is one of the most interesting places I've ever been in.

00:41:21.360 ADHD Avenue.

00:41:23.420 I mean, everything about this is, I feel like I'm home.

00:41:27.680 you know dyslexics that are surrounded by you know these special folks particularly the young

00:41:35.880 folks there so i'm grateful um i'm also what weird um you are sharon i'm you know

00:41:45.580 forgive me you know this is embarrassing you can turn all that off

00:41:50.860 just because all the noise

00:41:55.860 you know that we just need to turn off

00:41:57.960 and this is

00:41:59.140 wiping his eyes

00:42:00.380 this is it man this is it

00:42:04.060 you want to fix all this

00:42:06.180 stuff this is it

00:42:07.280 listen to these guys

00:42:08.620 we're all just sitting there yelling and screaming

00:42:12.000 at each other everybody's getting each other's

00:42:13.920 throats and trying to tear everybody down

00:42:16.160 and you know how are we going to get out of this

00:42:18.200 this is it

00:42:19.540 okay hoda it's three wipes of the eyes with no tears he's like what what kind of a man

00:42:28.960 fakes crying don't most men want to hold back the crying don't they the ones with the testosterone

00:42:34.980 like generally you try like not to cry you don't fake cry um and what are you fake crying over

00:42:42.360 did he just call everybody dyslexic he did didn't he i mean just because you are dyslexic does not

00:42:49.640 mean everyone is always dyslexic who needs a job i'm not sure what went down there but this is what

00:42:57.500 we're in for folks we're gonna get many many months and possibly years of gavin newsom with

00:43:02.700 his fake emotions and trying to be like the guy who like feels their pain you know like a bill

00:43:08.220 Clinton type. Only Bill Clinton was a good actor. Really good. You're going to have to work on your

00:43:13.440 routine. Remember how we heard that when Kamala Harris came out and gave that speech at the

00:43:18.500 Democratic National Convention, that all these like the heads of Creative Artist Agency, the

00:43:24.420 biggest Hollywood talent agency there is, and others like top actors, too. Like I think Meryl

00:43:31.760 Street might have been one of them, trained her on how to speak, like how to deliver the speech. 1.00

00:43:38.680 And she delivered a fine speech. She was fine. Like she did. She didn't do terribly in that

00:43:42.740 speech because she had so much Hollywood help. That's what he needs. And that's what he's likely

00:43:47.200 to get because he's a Democrat and he's from California. So we'll watch the making of Gavin

00:43:54.660 Newsom as he gets closer to this contest. They'll do it, you know, when he's closer to locking up

00:44:00.860 the nomination. They won't give him the advantage over his fellow Democrats. But once it's if it's

00:44:06.380 Gavin versus J.D. Vance or Marco Rubio, you watch. He's going to get polished and he'll learn like

00:44:11.220 my friend Melissa Francis, who starred on Little House on the Prairie and then worked with me at

00:44:14.420 Fox News. It does not count unless you produce real water. Real water has to come out of your

00:44:19.460 eyes or we don't buy it. Gavin Hoda, Gavin Kotb. OK, going back, my team actually just updated

00:44:29.740 my information here on that horrific murder that we watched. The man, the Haitian TPS guy,

00:44:36.440 killing the mom at the convenience store. And they tell us the following from Southwest Florida.

00:44:43.800 The president of the Bangladesh Association, identifying the victim as Niloufa Isman,

00:44:50.320 a mother of two daughters and member of the group. Isman was a devoted mom who worked tirelessly to

00:44:55.700 provide for her two young daughters. Tragically, her life was cut short while she was at work in

00:45:00.620 Fort Myers, Florida, leaving her family and friends heartbroken. The loss of Eastman has

00:45:04.940 created an unimaginable void in the lives of her daughters, said Samir Udada Syed in a GoFundMe

00:45:11.940 that he organized in support of her daughters. That is awful. I mean, think about it. You know,

00:45:19.200 I talked about my sister who couldn't get a job at one of these facilities, but these Haitians can. 1.00

00:45:24.060 think about this poor woman. Like where, where's like the NAACP, right? Like, don't you care about 1.00

00:45:30.320 Americans of color? What, like, what about her? It's like the left is so concerned about identity

00:45:36.640 politics and grievance and all this is like, what? So you care about these guys from Haiti

00:45:41.060 because the white black thing, okay, we get it. You know, you're always going to go with people 1.00

00:45:45.000 of color. What about her? This is a black woman who's a mom to two black daughters.

00:45:49.720 Where's your empathy for them?

00:45:51.740 Do you care about them? 0.62

00:45:53.240 Certainly, I know you wouldn't care if it were a white woman. 0.97

00:45:55.520 No, God forbid it were a white man. 1.00

00:45:58.000 This would get absolutely no coverage,

00:45:59.600 which is basically what happened until Trump tweeted it out.

00:46:02.800 How about her? Do you care?

00:46:04.980 Now we learn the accused killer,

00:46:06.740 Robert Joaquin,

00:46:09.120 just pleaded not guilty this week,

00:46:10.820 despite reports that he admitted to killing her,

00:46:13.580 and he's on camera doing it.

00:46:16.480 Enjoy prison, sir.

00:46:19.120 Thankfully, it's in Florida, so God forbid he gets any sort of a short sentence when he's found guilty and then ultimately possibly gets out, which will be in the distant future since it's Florida.

00:46:30.320 Ideally, never.

00:46:31.860 ICE would work with the federal authorities to get him deported, or I'm saying the local authorities would work with ICE to get him deported after the fact.

00:46:40.240 Okay, what else is in the news today?

00:46:42.940 Well, there is Eric Swalwell and the latest on him.

00:46:47.700 The left is having buyer's remorse.

00:46:49.960 They're feeling very sad that their hero and the Trump slayer, who they very much thought

00:46:55.100 was going to be the next president of the United States, remember he ran in 2019, they

00:46:58.780 thought he had presidential ambitions and a future there, but at least at a minimum

00:47:03.140 would be like the main antagonist who said all the terrible things to Trump that they

00:47:07.040 wanted to say. 0.99

00:47:07.800 They're very disappointed that he turns out to be an alleged sexual predator.

00:47:12.400 I'm going to give you Kathy Griffin, kind of parlays off of what I just said about why Gavin Newsom might be the nominee, on how disappointed she is here in SOT7.

00:47:23.740 He was running for governor of California, and he got caught with many, many R-word allegations and even R-word under the influence, meaning the survivor was—

00:47:38.280 pop it's there's a chance that her drink was spiked uh we're not going to go into those

00:47:45.120 details but i am going to be honest and say that until this i was actually supporting swalwell 0.90

00:47:51.880 because i thought we're in this era of only freaking white straight guys can win the other

00:48:00.220 thing that sucks about the swallow situation is nobody's going to want his team so it's not like 0.56

00:48:05.660 oh swalwell can give his amazing team to the next person because their whole campaign missed it as 0.95

00:48:13.140 well so the how's that possible what oh i because we've all known that guy let's just be honest we've

00:48:23.140 all known that guy who's that weird lady on the right who's talking like this what's wrong with

00:48:28.760 these people. Is that possible? Who watches these shows? So Kathy Griffin is upset because

00:48:37.960 she was supposed to like freaking white straight guys. And she did. And he turned out to be an 1.00

00:48:43.820 alleged monster. Okay. She's going to have to lick those wounds for a long, long time. Cause 0.90

00:48:48.300 I don't think we're done with the news about Eric Swalwell. Here's Rosie O'Donnell. She too is

00:48:52.180 upset. Like spoke to him on the phone a couple times, donated money to him, I believe.

00:49:00.040 Talked about him in some public appearances years ago about how I believed in him and

00:49:05.320 his cute little family and two kids and standing up to all those people when he,

00:49:12.100 you know, berates them for their moralist behavior. And then all this comes out

00:49:18.800 about him. It's heartbreaking to me, you know, and I wrote him, I wrote him a little message.

00:49:27.940 And I said, you know, Bill Clinton broke my heart. Now you did too. You know, the conclusion

00:49:34.220 I've come to men suck. How will he ever recover? By the way, she's got blue hair. She's wearing 0.99

00:49:39.980 Santa pajamas. Last I checked, it's April and I think she lives in Florida. Why does she talk

00:49:46.500 only out of her mouth. She doesn't move anything on her face. Not like her chin doesn't move. Her

00:49:52.000 cheeks do not move. She lifts her eyebrows occasionally, but she only talks out of the

00:49:57.960 lips. That's it. Nothing else moves on the face. It's very odd. By the way, this is a habit for

00:50:03.380 Rosie. She wrote me a nasty little note on X. She DM'd me when she read in my book that I never 0.99

00:50:10.860 would have asked Trump that debate question if the only one he had said the horrible things about

00:50:16.820 had in fact been Rosie O'Donnell. But in fact, it had been a pattern and therefore I thought

00:50:22.000 that question was fair game. She was incredibly disappointed in me that I wouldn't have asked

00:50:27.140 that question if it had just been Rosie who had sparred with him. She didn't realize how hateful

00:50:34.240 she is. Like truly, she doesn't, she sees herself as like a really sympathetic person and just

00:50:38.760 Trump's victim, does not realize that is not how the rest of us see her. So they're really

00:50:44.220 disappointed in Eric Swalwell, and I'm not sure how he's going to reconcile with that. It really

00:50:48.320 will be an adjustment for him not to be a hero of the left. I don't know what Eric Swalwell's

00:50:54.320 future holds, but at this point, he'll be lucky if it doesn't include criminal charges.

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00:52:41.000 My next guests are two leading voices in the health and wellness space,

00:52:44.340 known online for promoting a back-to-basics lifestyle by prioritizing animal-based nutrition,

00:52:49.880 whole foods, and simple habits like walking, sleep, and natural movement. We've got a lot

00:52:55.420 to get to, including some of your questions. Joining us now, double board certified doctor

00:53:00.100 and founder of Lineage Provisions and Heart and Soil, Dr. Paul Saladino, and with him,

00:53:06.560 New York Times bestselling author, founder of Primal Kitchen, and most recently, the footwear

00:53:11.820 brand Paluva, Mark Sisson. Mark, Paul, welcome. Thanks for having us. Yeah. Great to see you

00:53:18.620 both. Mark, you've been on the show before, and I have to tell you something very funny.

00:53:22.380 So you, of course, created Primal Kitchen, which I love, and we get at Whole Foods.

00:53:26.900 And I'm not much of a chef in the kitchen, but every time I cook a steak, which is now

00:53:31.780 like at least once a week, we do have help in the kitchen. But when I have to do the kitchen

00:53:35.720 cooking, I cook a steak, and I literally every time, because I'm not a good learner,

00:53:41.360 I pull up a video. It's the same video of you making the same steak every time. I can't seem

00:53:47.560 to recall it. So you are in my kitchen with me at least once a week teaching me over and over

00:53:52.320 and over again how to make a steak. So thank you for that. No, it's my pleasure. And by the way,

00:53:55.440 is that the mayonnaise steak or just a regular steak? No, it's just a regular steak. It's one

00:54:01.080 where you've got, there's a Primal Kitchen marinade

00:54:03.720 that's like a balsamic that I can use.

00:54:06.240 But there's another video I use of you.

00:54:07.720 It's just salt and pepper and in a butter.

00:54:09.420 Great, love it.

00:54:12.120 Okay, so doc, it's great to see you too.

00:54:15.360 We haven't yet spoken,

00:54:16.620 but I like a lot of what you're saying here.

00:54:19.020 So let me start with you

00:54:19.840 because one of your talking points relates to cholesterol.

00:54:23.260 And this is still, I think,

00:54:24.560 something that's very misunderstood.

00:54:27.020 You know, every doctor,

00:54:28.960 every doctor, wants to put their patients on a statin now. Even my own doctor said he thinks

00:54:33.800 that statins should be in the water supply. But my hormones doctor said, absolutely not.

00:54:41.500 Cholesterol is actually very good for you, for your brain and for your hormones.

00:54:45.220 So where do you stand on the issue of cholesterol?

00:54:48.780 It's such a controversial topic, Megan. I think we have a lot of unanswered questions. Though

00:54:53.940 Western medicine and mainstream lipidology makes it seem like this is a case closed. Like you said,

00:55:00.740 statin should be in the drinking water. When you look at the evidence and when you look at some

00:55:04.740 really interesting recent studies, there are some really profound questions about how cholesterol

00:55:11.360 affects the risk of human cardiovascular disease in certain contexts. And what I mean by that is

00:55:17.240 when I think about cholesterol as a doctor, I'm thinking about it in the context of your metabolic

00:55:23.620 health, rather than just looking at your cholesterol numbers in the vacuum. And I've

00:55:28.580 seen this over and over, whether I'm reading posts on X, I find these anecdotes on X particularly

00:55:33.520 interesting. And I see this over and over. People will say, my doctor missed a heart attack. My

00:55:39.840 cholesterol was actually normal. So your LDL level on these people was normal, but the doctors

00:55:44.560 didn't check blood markers that can easily indicate metabolic health or lack thereof.

00:55:50.120 things like a fasting insulin. Most doctors will look at things like a fasting glucose or a

00:55:55.320 hemoglobin A1C, which are just blood markers. But a lot of doctors don't think about the overall

00:56:01.120 context of your metabolic health, even looking at thyroid hormone markers when they're evaluating

00:56:06.360 your lipids. And so it's important, I think, on both sides of the spectrum. So even at quote

00:56:11.920 unquote low or acceptable levels of LDL cholesterol, which is the main molecule that

00:56:17.460 doctors get worried about. We have to be thinking about metabolic health, and you can miss

00:56:21.940 cardiovascular risk if you're not looking at things like thyroid labs and fasting insulin,

00:56:27.880 fasting glucose, hemoglobin A1C. And then at the other end also, a lot of us, I think,

00:56:34.640 if we're eating reasonable amounts of animal foods, which we'll talk about this in this show

00:56:39.560 today, I think are very important for humans, we might see the LDL cholesterol go above levels that

00:56:44.920 most doctors would like it to be under. For instance, my LDL cholesterol is probably around

00:56:50.160 120 or 130 milligrams per deciliter. But I think that we have a long way before we can fully say

00:56:57.140 that this represents an increased risk of cardiovascular disease for humans,

00:57:00.780 especially without the context of your metabolic health. And like I said, there's been some recent

00:57:04.720 studies that came out showing people with even much higher levels of cholesterol who were

00:57:09.780 generally metabolically healthy, and they showed absolutely zero correlation. So the connection

00:57:15.980 between the level of LDL and the incidence of cardiovascular disease was essentially zero.

00:57:20.860 So it's a much more complicated picture than most people are led to believe. And I think

00:57:26.000 it gets to what you were hinting at earlier and something that I think Mark and I both believe,

00:57:29.740 which is it's not just one lab marker, right? It's the entirety of your health,

00:57:35.000 which must be interpreted together if we're looking at labs and we're looking at cholesterol.

00:57:38.740 So how metabolically healthy are you?

00:57:40.880 That's the key question.

00:57:42.180 And very few doctors are thinking about that.

00:57:45.140 Mark, when you were on last, we talked about diet

00:57:47.460 and you're a big fan of the steak, and we all are here.

00:57:50.760 And you said something that stuck with me,

00:57:53.880 which was, you know, you're big on the steak.

00:57:57.380 Some vegetables, you said almost none.

00:58:00.260 Like you were actually rethinking it

00:58:02.200 because of all the chemicals that the vegetables are grown in

00:58:07.280 how hard it is to find ones that haven't been poisoned, basically. So where do you stand today

00:58:12.040 on vegetables? Same. I sort of arranged my diet around protein first, and typically that's red

00:58:19.720 meat, but there's fish there too. And not a lot of poultry, but mostly red meat. And then I've

00:58:26.660 added fruit back in a little bit. But in terms of vegetables, I'm not eating that much. Not because

00:58:31.840 you know i'm afraid of these phytochemicals these plant toxins that that paul actually has written

00:58:38.120 a lot about uh that that you know plants really don't want to be eaten that's their natural

00:58:42.000 defense uh but mostly because i'm um i'm i'm pairing my diet down i i did a thought experiment

00:58:49.020 a bunch of years ago which was um not to see what's the most amount of food i can eat and

00:58:53.180 not gain weight but what's the least amount of food i can eat and maintain muscle mass or build

00:58:57.000 muscle mass have all the energy i want not get sick and most importantly not be hungry

00:59:01.320 So if I arrange my diet starting with protein first and then add in a little bit of maybe starchy carbs and then know that I'm going to have some fruit later on in the day, I don't want to fill up my sections with vegetables if I've got a better use of that space.

00:59:19.660 So, you know, I don't try to stay away from vegetables.

00:59:23.780 I like the crunchiness of vegetables once in a while.

00:59:26.020 I like a decent, you know, broccolini or I like, you know, brussel sprouts once in a while.

00:59:31.540 You like the mushroom.

00:59:32.920 That's what you're in your video.

00:59:34.380 I watch all the time.

00:59:35.760 Yeah.

00:59:36.120 Mushrooms.

00:59:36.600 Sure. 0.96

00:59:37.380 But but I'm not you know, there was I spent 10 years talking about the big ass salad. 0.98

00:59:41.400 Right.

00:59:41.680 And I had this giant salad every day for the main part of my diet.

00:59:45.580 And, you know, as I've evolved my own way of eating over the years, that sort of fell by the wayside in service to this this idea that I want to see, like, what's the sort of I don't want to make it sound like I'm, you know, some ascetic and I'm living a monk like lifestyle where I'm trying to, you know, avoid food.

01:00:05.700 But just what's the least amount of food it takes for me to be happy and healthy and productive and lean and fit?

01:00:11.300 So do you skip breakfast now? You just do lunch and dinner? And if so, what do you do at lunch?

01:00:16.240 Yeah, so I skip breakfast, sure. So I think that's one of the important aspects that I've

01:00:21.460 developed over the last 10 years in developing what I call metabolic flexibility, which is the

01:00:25.360 ability of the body to extract energy from your own stored body fat at rest when you're not eating.

01:00:30.600 A lot of people assume they have to eat every three hours or whatever to maintain their energy

01:00:35.320 throughout the day. If you develop this metabolic flexibility, you can extract energy from your own

01:00:39.900 stored body fat. Well, what that looks like to me is I wake up in the morning, I have a cup of

01:00:43.460 coffee, but I'm not hungry. I don't feel like I need something to get the day started. I do a

01:00:49.500 workout at 10 or 1030. I'm fasted. I have all the energy I need for that workout. So my first meal

01:00:54.400 is typically around one o'clock or 130 in the afternoon. So yeah, I eat two meals a day. Actually,

01:01:00.740 I wrote a book called Two Meals a Day. I have it. I have audio and actual book.

01:01:05.880 Right. Great. And, you know, again, it's it's sort of this idea that I think generally people assume that they need 3000 calories a day to get through life.

01:01:15.840 And and it's probably 30 or 40 percent less than that. If you if you develop not just metabolic flexibility, but efficiency, if you if you're really efficient with how you how you consume your calories and how you train and don't, you know, don't like I wrote a whole book last year called Born to Walk,

01:01:32.060 which sort of ragged on the running boom of the last 50 years as being inappropriate for people

01:01:37.220 who think they want to lose weight by running. So it's really, it comes back to this developing

01:01:42.940 metabolic flexibility through a combination of selecting protein as sort of the main basis of

01:01:49.700 the diet, certainly accommodating your hunger needs throughout the day, but also just being

01:01:55.600 able to go long periods of time, very comfortable not eating. And that's kind of what, and then as

01:02:01.540 as paul would talk about like for instance your your fasting insulin that'll lower your fasting

01:02:06.460 insulin because you become very insulin sensitive and you know you find that um you're circulating

01:02:12.360 insulin lowers as a result of there not being a lot of food around on a regular basis and that

01:02:17.760 all develops this again this cardiometabolic uh health in addition to just basic metabolic

01:02:24.260 flexibility which allows you to arrive at your ideal body composition so it all kind of works

01:02:28.320 are you doing two steaks a day what are you doing for your for your lunch so i mean normally like

01:02:33.180 it'll be a piece of fish maybe some salmon for lunch and it's by the way it's not a big lunch

01:02:37.080 it's it's i mean i i look at my i look at the pundits now in the space speaking of protein

01:02:42.880 who talk about a gram per pound of of body weight i'm like jeez i mean i don't know anybody who

01:02:50.040 could do that i know you know getting so much protein it's a ton of protein yeah so so for me

01:02:56.040 it's like, I think if you're a man, you probably don't, there's probably no context in which you

01:03:00.140 need more than 120 grams of protein in a day. And what that looks like for me is if I can get,

01:03:04.960 you know, 40 at lunch through some fish, um, and, um, you know, whatever else I'm having,

01:03:11.420 and then maybe a protein shake, by the way, in the middle of the day, and then, um, you know,

01:03:16.020 a decent sized steak at night, and that'll cover all the bases for me.

01:03:21.480 Yep. What do you make of that, Paul?

01:03:22.660 I think that there's a lot there. We covered a lot. So I've had my own interesting path with

01:03:27.360 vegetables. I think that when you look at this from a botanical perspective, vegetables definitely,

01:03:34.420 which are the non-fruit parts of plants, so like leaves and stems and roots and seeds,

01:03:38.540 they definitely have defense chemicals. And some people, myself included, can be uniquely sensitive

01:03:43.480 to them. I think that for most people, vegetables are not going to be a major issue. If you like

01:03:48.640 them. They're certainly a healthy addition to the human diet, especially when they're prepared

01:03:52.780 properly with attention to their potential plant defense chemicals. But most of us can probably

01:03:58.620 eat vegetables without much issue. For those people out there listening that may have autoimmune

01:04:03.780 issues, and this is a wide variety of things, this is where I think you need to start to question

01:04:08.900 whether all of the foods you're eating are actually serving you or interacting with your

01:04:12.360 immune system in the proper way. So this is my story. And through sharing it over the last seven

01:04:16.660 to eight years, I've met now hundreds, if not thousands of people who have had similar stories

01:04:21.460 and reversed things. I mean, my own eczema is very sensitive to foods and not even junk foods.

01:04:26.340 I'm talking about foods we might consider to be healthy can trigger my eczema, like nightshade

01:04:30.980 vegetables, things like white potatoes sometimes do, or tomatoes, which are technically a fruit,

01:04:35.920 but often considered a vegetable. So this idea that like all unprocessed foods work for all

01:04:41.300 people is interesting. I think it's a great start to the diet, but if you have autoimmune issues,

01:04:45.400 could be skin issues, eczema, psoriasis. A lot of these gut issues are very responsive to

01:04:50.140 intentional selection of certain foods in the human diet, some permutation of an elimination

01:04:55.520 diet. You see ulcerative colitis, Crohn's, IBS. And again, it's very individual and it doesn't

01:05:01.560 work for everyone, but there's something there. And I think that's a useful tool for people who

01:05:05.940 are not finding answers and they have persistent chronic health issues or autoimmune disease that

01:05:10.200 is unresolved. And then you can end on, you can end up on long-term medications with major side

01:05:15.160 effects. Some of these medications for psoriasis or eczema or inflammatory bowel diseases are quite

01:05:20.580 problematic for a lot of humans. I've even met people who said that their doctors wanted to

01:05:25.280 remove their whole colon, colon, you know, in ulcerative colitis, it's often to have a colectomy,

01:05:30.640 a total colectomy or a partial colectomy resulting in a colostomy bag. And for a lot of these people,

01:05:35.120 simply changing what foods they were eating was able to reverse their condition, which is

01:05:39.760 interesting to me. On the protein front, I think Mark is right. When you look at the data,

01:05:46.360 even in like bodybuilders, 0.8 grams of protein per pound of body weight is basically more than

01:05:52.380 anyone needs. And this is assuming someone is not taking performance enhancing drugs or steroids.

01:05:56.960 Once you start doing that, who knows, everything's out the window and you're certainly playing with

01:06:01.560 fire from a health perspective. But yeah, I think for most people, 0.6 to 0.8 grams of protein at a

01:06:06.680 functional level is probably going to be plenty of protein. And as Mark- Per pound of you.

01:06:12.740 Yes, yes. Sorry. Thank you. 0.6 to 0.8 grams of protein per pound of body weight.

01:06:18.240 As Mark is saying, the animal protein is important here because when you look at the

01:06:23.300 bioavailability of protein, there's a big drop off here. There's a big divide between plants

01:06:28.920 and animal protein. And so if you want to eat predominantly plant protein, you're going to

01:06:34.140 miss out on unique nutrients that occur in animal foods and you're going to have to eat more of it

01:06:38.680 if you make the majority of your protein or a significant amount of the protein in your diet

01:06:42.960 from animal foods if you want it to be red meat or fish or chicken that's fine sourcing matters

01:06:47.360 that's going to be better from a protein perspective for humans and this is important

01:06:52.780 for muscle maintenance repair tissue stability right the laxity of joints or the repair of

01:06:59.320 injuries and overall longevity. I mean, there are good studies in humans that can directly relate

01:07:06.320 animal food consumption to longevity. They're just not the studies we hear about because the

01:07:10.320 mainstream political or media machine doesn't want to tell us these things. But I mean, there's

01:07:15.220 large studies showing that even when we account or correct for GDP or other aspects of countries,

01:07:25.360 across 175 countries, the meat was directly correlated with longevity,

01:07:30.720 perhaps representing 90% of the world's population.

01:07:33.440 No, there was just one out of Scandinavia.

01:07:36.940 It was Denmark, I think, showing one serving of red meat a day,

01:07:43.120 although they wound up saying it didn't necessarily have to be red meat,

01:07:45.660 but meat a day significantly lowered the risk of Alzheimer's

01:07:51.160 for people who have the gene.

01:07:53.600 Like it lowered their risk down to the same risk

01:07:57.260 as somebody who doesn't have the gene.

01:07:59.260 Like that's so crazy.

01:08:00.660 And of course, when we grew up,

01:08:02.260 it was all red meat was so stigmatized.

01:08:04.560 It was like, you're gonna have a heart attack.

01:08:06.540 All they cared about was that LDL.

01:08:08.680 It's very hard to let go of those narratives, right?

01:08:10.960 Because we don't wanna die of a heart attack.

01:08:13.200 But it turns out all that stuff

01:08:15.540 that they were stuffing down our throats in the 90s

01:08:17.780 is what causes heart attacks.

01:08:19.160 All that processed foods.

01:08:21.120 I mean, this is something you guys are both big on.

01:08:22.760 I love your videos on X, Paul, where you walk us through the store and you're like, don't drink

01:08:27.120 this. And by the way, the paper cup has a plastic lining. All the things that we're taking in that

01:08:32.040 we think are better for us or at least harmless that aren't. It's difficult. Yeah. In that study,

01:08:38.700 which I think was really cool, people who have the APOE4 variant did show a decreased risk of

01:08:45.060 dementia when they had some servings of red meat and it was the unprocessed red meat. And this is

01:08:50.180 the problem with a lot of the data we see coming out bacon what's that yeah well maybe probably

01:08:54.660 not bacon in other words not bacon not bacon steak unprocessed grass bed ground beef right

01:09:00.660 chicken breast grilled fish you know a stew with beef these kind of things not deli meat

01:09:06.940 right not not hot dogs not bacon and for a variety of reasons but what we know is that

01:09:13.640 when you take these processed meats they often add various types of nitrates as preservatives

01:09:18.900 And then before you eat them, there are compounds called N-nitroso compounds that can be formed.

01:09:24.680 And then in your body, these N-nitroso compounds can be formed as well.

01:09:28.300 And so that's potentially damaging for the human gut.

01:09:31.740 And there's studies that show that when you eat the processed meat, that is more likely

01:09:35.460 to damage the DNA of your gut epithelial cells.

01:09:39.020 And that's probably the beginning of the path to precancerous lesions.

01:09:43.080 Red meat that's unprocessed doesn't really do that to the same degree, if at all.

01:09:46.560 And then there's lots of evidence that if you're eating your red meat, if you're concerned about red meat because you grew up in the 90s like I did, then you can eat it with fruit, vitamin C, acidic marinades, you can eat it with vegetables, and that significantly mitigates the formation of any of these potentially carcinogenic compounds.

01:10:05.340 So we're kind of back to this, I think, very reasonable, very sensible perspective that, hey, look, these are foods that humans have always eaten throughout our history.

01:10:15.500 Like, eat some plants, eat some meat, and eat very few processed foods, and you're going to do fine.

01:10:21.180 And a lot of the narratives to the contrary are just, they're concerning, and they're just not based in actual scientific fact, and they don't make sense historically, and they lead humans to be unhealthy.

01:10:32.020 it's like, I can't remember who said it, but it was eat real food. Not too much.

01:10:38.740 Yeah. Like, yeah. So the other thing that you say, Mark, I know is like, as you're coming up

01:10:45.680 with your guidelines, the one, like the, the, there is a boogeyman. It's not red meat. It's

01:10:50.840 sugar. It's very, it's sugar. It's addictive and it's in everything, you know? So it's very hard

01:10:59.960 to cut out. And once it's in there, you got the Jones for it, very hard to break free of it. So

01:11:05.380 walk us through the sugar problem. Well, you know, I would say if I've been asked in the past,

01:11:11.480 you know, like, what's the one thing you would change about your diet that would

01:11:14.160 maybe decrease your risk for pretty much all cause mortality? And it would be

01:11:18.680 getting sugar out of your diet. But, you know, when we talk about sugar, we're talking,

01:11:22.100 there are a lot of variants of this. There's, you know, obvious pies, cakes, candies, cookies,

01:11:27.780 sweetened beverages, sweetened drinks, and then sugar added to everything else. There's also,

01:11:32.280 by the way, the concept that most processed grains convert to glucose almost immediately

01:11:37.860 in the body. So whenever you eat some flour-based processed food, whether it's pasta, breads,

01:11:45.080 cereals, those convert to glucose. Glucose is sugar. So this reliance that we've had on

01:11:51.260 carbohydrate as the basis of the human diet, or at least the basis of the American diet for

01:11:55.460 the last 50 years, and somehow suggesting that we get 300 grams a day of carbohydrate in,

01:12:02.000 when you understand that carbohydrate, almost all of it converts to glucose, and then what do you do

01:12:07.100 with that glucose? You don't need that much glucose. So the body either stores it as fat,

01:12:11.640 maybe stores some as glycogen, but also it creates this requirement the brain has for

01:12:17.580 living on glucose. I mean, the brain expects glucose now every couple of hours. And again,

01:12:22.720 if you haven't developed this metabolic flexibility, if you haven't developed this

01:12:25.840 ability to extract energy from your own stored body fat, if you haven't become what I call fat

01:12:29.600 adapted by restricting carbohydrate or restrictive eating, timing your meals like two meals a day or

01:12:38.480 intermittent fasting as they call it, you continue to rely on this intake of glucose. The brain

01:12:43.700 continues to rely on glucose. And when you don't get glucose or sugar, you have this craving for

01:12:50.140 sweets all the time. And it's one of the reasons that people, when I say people who embark on a

01:12:56.080 running program to lose weight, they go out and they burn off all the glycogen in their muscles

01:13:00.620 because they're not good at burning fat because they run too hard for what they're trying to do.

01:13:05.640 So they burn the glycogen. They get home from their run. Now they're sitting on the sofa going,

01:13:09.460 oh my God, that was such a valuable workout. I sweated. I melted off all this fat. Well,

01:13:13.540 you didn't. You burned off the glycogen. And now the brain is going, wait, wait, wait. If we're

01:13:17.500 going to do this again tomorrow, we have to eat more glucose. And glucose, again, and sugar are

01:13:21.800 pretty much synonymous. And so now we're going for the sweetened, you know, the Gatorade or whatever

01:13:28.280 the sports drink is. And there's a tendency over time to overcompensate. And actually, the brain

01:13:33.760 says, you know, if we're going to do this again tomorrow, I better be sure we're ready. And so

01:13:38.100 over time, you see people have been running for 10 or 15 years, not running the right way,

01:13:44.140 not running with the right, you know, sort of strategy for zone two training.

01:13:48.940 And they don't gain, they don't lose weight.

01:13:50.820 They stay the same weight, except now they, because running is catabolic,

01:13:54.500 they burn off a little bit of extra muscle.

01:13:56.340 And now some of that same weight has become more fat.

01:13:58.980 So they become what we call skinny fat.

01:14:00.680 Again, if you get rid of-

01:14:01.880 That's the cardio bunny too.

01:14:03.180 Pardon me?

01:14:04.600 What's that?

01:14:05.000 That's the cardio bunny too that we see in the gym.

01:14:07.220 No, 100%.

01:14:08.180 And it's this idea that if one soul cycle workout a day is good, two must be better.

01:14:14.140 and then you know four days a week or five days a week uh and and you see it it becomes catabolic

01:14:19.480 and it becomes this um it's it's it's very unhealthy and and you know we could segue into

01:14:25.020 that at some point but wait mark give them the good news because you're not you're not a complete

01:14:29.160 teetotaler when it comes to sugar we are allowed to have a little dark chocolate oh it has to be

01:14:35.400 what over 80 sure any you know so a little bit of anything is okay we're still now we're talking

01:14:40.960 about dosage, right? So when I say if you can develop metabolic flexibility, if you develop

01:14:46.900 this ability to become good at going long periods of time without eating and not have it affect

01:14:51.640 your mental capacity, your mood, your hunger levels, then a little bit of sweets every once

01:15:00.800 in a while, not a bad thing. I could even make an argument that it might be a good thing, a little

01:15:05.720 bit. But so I'm... Can I just interject? So what you're saying is for those of us who get like

01:15:11.040 brain fog when we haven't eaten or, you know, you get that, you feel weak, you're saying that

01:15:16.540 that can be overcome with practice of having longer stints without eating. 100%. This is what

01:15:22.600 I've been teaching and preaching for the last 15 years is this idea of metabolic flexibility. And

01:15:26.560 it started out with, you know, my book, The Keto Reset Diet, which showed people how to use a

01:15:30.840 ketogenic diet to reset the metabolism, not to live the rest of your life in a keto. I mean,

01:15:37.280 I just think that's not just fun, right? But to use these tools and strategies like restricted

01:15:42.560 eating and cutting back on the carbs and exercising appropriately, you can actually

01:15:47.980 develop some of this metabolic flexibility by doing a lot of walking and then a little bit

01:15:52.420 of sprinting or a little bit of lifting weights. But ironically, you can't really develop it by

01:15:58.960 running 30 or 40 miles a week metronomically at 10 minute miles. So there's, there are specific

01:16:05.520 strategies that encourage your body to be, to develop, literally to upregulate the enzymes

01:16:10.540 and the gene systems that, that help you burn more fat and increase the amount of mitochondria

01:16:16.240 in your muscles so that you're burning fat at rest. I mean, it's a beautiful thing because not

01:16:20.620 only do you trend toward an ideal body composition, but your life is not run by you being tethered to

01:16:26.280 some eating schedule or by your hunger. Paul, can you speak to, because I noticed

01:16:35.700 one of the things you like, and I know that organ meat is big, but most of us can't stomach it,

01:16:42.000 but you actually have a pill that we can take. So I want to know about the pill. I want to know

01:16:46.520 if it tastes like testicle, because that's what's in there. And what else we should be taking that 0.99

01:16:56.000 supplemental. Yeah. Can I just say a couple of words about sugar and then I'll get into that.

01:17:01.020 Totally. This is super interesting to me. I completely agree with Mark and I just wanted

01:17:04.740 to add for people, there's a really interesting dichotomy between natural sources of sugar,

01:17:11.840 fruit and honey that's raw and preferably organic and processed sugar. So with processed sugar,

01:17:18.120 which is what Mark is describing, you have sucrose on your table as a disaccharide of

01:17:23.200 glucose and fructose. And there are other monosaccharides like galactose found in lactose

01:17:30.000 and milk. But generally, we're looking at fructose and glucose. What's so interesting to me when you

01:17:35.000 look at this research is that glucose and fructose in isolation appear to be harmful for the human

01:17:41.340 body, table sugar. Like Mark is describing, processed grains in which the phytochemicals

01:17:47.860 in the grains have been stripped away. There are polymers of glucose, amylose and amylopectin that

01:17:52.680 get broken down into pure glucose in your body and past your stomach it looks like a glucose bolus

01:17:58.060 and so these are harmful for humans probably at the level of your gut flora because when these

01:18:04.000 monosaccharides these simple sugars arrive to these trillions of bacteria that live in your

01:18:09.340 small intestine and in your colon they just cause overgrowth it's just like you're pouring gasoline

01:18:14.860 on the fire and these bacteria kind of grow without any sort of check but what's fascinating

01:18:20.020 is that when you consume fruit,

01:18:22.420 it doesn't lead to the same dysbiosis,

01:18:24.600 which is this pathogenic overgrowth

01:18:26.580 to the wrong type of bacteria in your gut.

01:18:28.020 And the same is true with honey

01:18:28.940 because these foods are complex.

01:18:30.800 There are hundreds, if not thousands of chemicals

01:18:32.980 and phytochemicals.

01:18:34.520 I mean, there's some fascinating analyses of honey.

01:18:37.540 It's probably six to 700 chemicals just in honey.

01:18:40.320 We think, oh, that's just sugar,

01:18:41.660 but it's so complicated.

01:18:43.100 And then we're disrespecting the bees,

01:18:44.640 which are incredible creatures.

01:18:45.740 We shouldn't do that.

01:18:46.700 And the same with the mango or an apple.

01:18:48.600 This is a complex food.

01:18:50.020 with fiber, but with hundreds of chemicals that appear to mitigate pathogenic dysbiosis of the

01:18:56.760 bacteria in your gut. So I just want people to understand that moderate amounts of fruit

01:19:00.840 or a good quality honey can totally be a part of a healthy diet for humans. I think you should eat

01:19:05.620 them in proportion. What is good quality honey? How do we find that? What store do we go to and

01:19:10.340 what do we look for? Good quality honey is a little tricky. So when you go to the grocery

01:19:14.720 store and you're looking for honey, you want it to be preferably organic, which means that

01:19:18.400 the bees are in a radius of three to five miles where there's no crops sprayed with pesticides

01:19:23.780 and they're not using pesticides in the hive and then you want the honey to be raw you don't want

01:19:29.000 them to heat the honey in the processing and then there's you probably want the honey to be packaged

01:19:33.120 in glass and if you can get the honey from a local producer that's great one of the things i'm proud

01:19:37.760 of is that lineage we source the honey from the yucatan peninsula in mexico and we tested it's

01:19:42.800 glyphosate free it's pesticide free it's organic and it's raw and so if you haven't had that honey

01:19:48.680 i'll send you some megan and i gotta send you some too mark if you haven't tried it's really good but

01:19:52.020 that's what you want in a honey is basically as close as you can to putting on a bee suit which

01:19:57.520 is an incredible experience and getting the honey out of the hive from the bees that's what you want

01:20:01.480 for good honey the honey in the plastic bears is not what you want so there's a real dichotomy

01:20:05.840 there that's different right as literally what's in everybody's cabinet yes you do not you do not

01:20:10.640 want that. And so that's the spiel on honey and fruit. When it comes to things that's in no one's

01:20:16.180 cabinet, we can talk about the organs. So anthropology is fascinating to me. I spent

01:20:21.600 a couple of weeks with the Hadza, some of the last hunter-gatherers left on the planet a few 1.00

01:20:25.580 years ago in Tanzania. And I mean, these men and women live in thatched huts. They're migratory. 1.00

01:20:30.660 They're nomadic. They have no phones. They have no running water. They have no money. It's

01:20:35.760 incredible. But you see this across our predecessors and historical humans. When animal

01:20:43.000 foods are eaten, they're eaten from nose to tail. Now, if you go to Whole Foods or Sprouts or any

01:20:47.680 grocery store, we don't see liver or heart or intestines in the butcher counter for a variety

01:20:52.820 of reasons. I don't think any of us would buy them. And they're just not, they offend our

01:20:56.180 delicate sensibilities, which is fine. But there are unique nutrients in those organs that can be

01:21:01.220 beneficial for humans. And so if we can get them, that's a great thing. But if we don't want to eat

01:21:07.300 them fresh, then one of the first company that I built was hardened soil. And I thought of my mom

01:21:13.280 and my sister and my dad, as I was learning about the unique nutrients in organs and the way they

01:21:18.380 complement animal muscles and muscle meat. And I thought they're never going to eat organs. So let

01:21:24.040 me just build a company where you can take these organs, you freeze dry them, you get them from

01:21:28.700 grass-fed cattle that are raised in New Zealand, you know, super clean cattle. And then you put

01:21:32.940 them in a gelatin or a collagen capsule. So when you take them, Megan, it doesn't taste like liver,

01:21:37.080 you just, it's just a collagen capsule. And this is, it's a great, it's a great sort of

01:21:41.740 stepping stone, right? I would prefer that people try to eat fresh organs, either in a pate. You can

01:21:47.720 now find some producers like Force of Nature, I know, will do organ grinds, or you can find some

01:21:53.480 of these farmer's market ground meats where they have these primal blends and they'll grind in

01:21:57.180 a little heart or a little liver into the ground beef, which is a great thing. But

01:22:00.720 I'd rather people eat fresh organs. But if you can't, getting the desiccated or the freeze-dried

01:22:05.720 organs can be really helpful for people. And so, yeah, there are- What do you eat? Do you eat liver?

01:22:09.860 I do eat liver, yes. A couple of times a week at least. Yeah, just a little bit though. You don't

01:22:13.940 need a lot. I got to say, my nana, she lived to be 101 years old. She loved liver. She ate liver

01:22:21.040 and onions and thought it was delicious. I think you got to start eating it when you're in the

01:22:26.160 single digits. I just can't imagine like starting that at this phase of life, although I wish I

01:22:31.820 could. Okay. What about butter, Mark Sisson? Because I make my steak with butter is that's

01:22:38.480 what I see you doing on your videos. And what's the conventional wisdom on grass fed butter? Is

01:22:44.600 it killing us or is preferable to Pam spray? Look, I think it's one of the best things you

01:22:49.240 can eat is grass-fed butter so i mean it's a it's one of the the tastiest uh most delicious

01:22:56.020 compliments to any meal um yeah i mean when you're comparing it to you know oleo and margarine of the

01:23:03.340 50s and 60s when everybody thought that was the the way to go or pam or any of the spray on you

01:23:09.300 know artificial stuff there's there's no comparison at all i mean butter is really uh the gold standard

01:23:14.600 for me. And, uh, I use it very frequently, you know, I cook eggs in butter, I cook steak and

01:23:20.740 butter, um, I put butter on whatever vegetables I am having, slather it in butter, butter. I mean,

01:23:27.500 I'm just, uh, I'm a huge fan of butter. And again, you know, when we talk about fat intake,

01:23:31.920 I'm not looking to increase my fat. I'm looking to be, you know, um, I, you know, get, get that

01:23:38.300 level of fat that assuages my, you know, takes my appetite and makes me happy that I've had

01:23:46.680 something to eat. I'm not looking to add in a lot of fat, which I think in the past couple of years

01:23:51.840 we've seen some of the keto diet people go, well, you know, it's a fat-based diet. And so the more

01:23:55.860 butter you can put on, no, it's just a, it's a condiment that you add to an otherwise great

01:24:01.300 tasting piece of food that just adds that little touch to it. Unfortunately, the same is not true.

01:24:08.180 you say, Paul, of peanut butter, which is kind of heartbreaking. I know. I used to love peanut

01:24:14.080 butter too. So this is really interesting. Mark and I were talking about this before the show.

01:24:20.420 There's two types of peanut butter in the grocery store, right? The type of peanut butter that I

01:24:24.060 grew up with, which is the Jif, which we know is full of processed sugar. We've talked about that.

01:24:28.800 It's also full of a lot of hydrogenated oils and seed oils, and that's why it doesn't separate. So

01:24:33.740 Jif is basically like a candy spread, which is why we loved it so much as kids. And I don't think

01:24:40.260 anyone is going to argue that a Jif peanut butter is healthy. So then there's a healthy option for

01:24:44.800 peanut butter, right? And I'll put healthy in quotes. That's the natural peanut butter that

01:24:48.160 you find in the store and it's fresh ground peanuts and you have to mix it together because

01:24:52.540 the oil's on top. But what we're missing here is that there are actual studies looking at this oil

01:24:59.340 on top of the peanut butter, which is peanut oil. And that oil from a peanut is highly polyunsaturated,

01:25:05.900 which means it's very susceptible to oxidation or rancidity, rust. And that goes rancid with

01:25:12.720 peroxide values above 80 milliequivalents per kilogram, which is just a metric that we use to

01:25:17.740 see how rusted or rancid an oil is. And 80 is very high. It goes to that level within four weeks,

01:25:24.000 Megan. What's crazy about this is when you look at those natural peanut butters on the shelf of a

01:25:27.900 grocery store, they have a shelf life of 12 to 18 months. So many of them, and I used to eat these,

01:25:34.300 are frankly rancid, and they're going to create problems in humans when you're eating them.

01:25:39.920 So this isn't to say don't eat peanuts if you like peanut butter, but two things to consider.

01:25:45.380 You don't want moldy peanuts. We know that peanuts are high in aflatoxin, which is a known

01:25:50.960 carcinogen. It's strongly linked to liver cancer from a mold that grows on peanuts called

01:25:55.620 aspergillus. So peanut butter is often more moldy and more high in an aflatoxin than fresh peanuts.

01:26:02.540 But if you want to make peanut butter for yourself or your kids, the ideal thing to do would be to go

01:26:07.520 to the store that has one of the fresh ground peanut things or to make your own peanut butter

01:26:11.080 to take the peanuts, preferably organic, and grind them yourself and then eat that peanut

01:26:15.720 butter within a week, five days, because you know that it's going to be problematic. And then

01:26:21.460 you should not store that peanut butter on your countertop. You store the peanut butter in the

01:26:25.400 fridge. That makes it harder to spread. Oh my gosh, who knew? That preserves the peanut butter

01:26:30.680 significantly longer. So when you refrigerate the peanut butter, the path to rancidity is much more

01:26:36.180 slow. So if you grind your own peanut butter, you're starting with something that's much healthier

01:26:40.560 and safer from an oxidative stress perspective, and then you have to store it in the fridge. And

01:26:44.880 I would still eat it fairly quickly. So it's not the end of the world. You just have to be

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01:27:42.840 Talk to me about the walking and can we zero in on the sprinting? I was glad when I reviewed

01:27:50.120 your talking points to see that I only have to sprint once every seven to 10 days,

01:27:56.880 but I don't to this moment really know how to do it, how much of it to do, what it looks like.

01:28:03.300 I like the walking, but just walk us through that exercise, the exercise plan that you recommend.

01:28:07.180 Yeah. So, you know, when I, when I created the primal blueprint 20 years ago, um, I looked at,

01:28:12.380 uh, ancestral patterns that created strong, lean fit humans and there's a lot of walking. So humans

01:28:18.880 are, we are, um, you know, we're bipedal. We're, we're built to, we're born to walk. And that was

01:28:25.260 the title of my book, born to walk. So we're not, we're not, we're born to be able to run, but we're

01:28:29.920 not born to run metronomically again, day in and day out. We're born to walk a lot, like many times

01:28:35.940 a day we're upright. Um, it's the single greatest thing you could do is the quintessential human

01:28:40.500 movement is walking, but sprinting. Um, if you look at what our ancestors did once in a while,

01:28:45.560 They got chased by some beast or they had to chase after some beast.

01:28:51.320 And so sprinting is part of the expectation of the genetic recipe that we all have that wants us to be strong.

01:28:57.480 And so this requirement, this expectation that our recipe has for us to go out and do something really, really high intensity for a short burst of time, not every day, but once in a while.

01:29:08.900 And we've settled upon like if once a week you can have a sprint day.

01:29:13.060 And what does that look like?

01:29:13.840 It doesn't mean you have to run sprints at the track.

01:29:15.740 It means you could do, you know, sprints on an elliptical trainer.

01:29:19.540 You could do them on a bike.

01:29:20.460 You could do them on a salt bike.

01:29:24.000 There's lots of ways that you can find.

01:29:26.100 Treadmill.

01:29:26.500 To go all out as hard as you can for, let's say, 20 seconds or 30 seconds.

01:29:32.280 Then take a short rest, minute and a half, two-minute rest.

01:29:35.840 Do it again for 20 or 30 seconds, short rest.

01:29:39.320 And, like, I would say six of them is a good number, six work sets.

01:29:43.060 this becomes i did it yesterday i did 10 i did 10 sprints in in 20 minutes and each each sprint was

01:29:51.160 like 70 yards 80 yards in 20 minutes i was done i was what they call truly knackered i mean i was

01:29:58.420 tired to the point that i didn't feel like i needed to do anything else for the rest of the day

01:30:02.360 and i was sort of satisfied in my mind that okay i've done that i don't have to do that again

01:30:06.540 for another week and it's short enough and sweet enough that it's not grueling it's not grinding

01:30:10.640 It's not like you're having to overcome discomfort for long periods of time.

01:30:14.440 I think anybody can go 20 seconds or 30 seconds really hard, then take a break and do it again.

01:30:19.760 So now if you want to go to the track, Megan, and learn how to sprint, we can arrange that.

01:30:25.640 And it's probably the most truly effective, again, quintessential human movement is to actually sprint running.

01:30:32.180 But you can do it with other modalities.

01:30:35.360 And here's the great news about that.

01:30:37.840 there's no better way of getting a firm bottom than sprinting it's that's the thing if you want

01:30:46.560 a tight ass sprint it's better than squats it's better than lunges it's better than everything

01:30:53.320 just sprint but you probably have to do a little bit more than once a week so that's this is yeah

01:30:57.940 but you know what's funny is you're right you're 100 right and i would say sprinting as an adjunct

01:31:02.720 In addition to a day of squats and a day of lunges or have a leg day in there, I'm saying my minimum effective dose of exercise would be walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, walk, lots of low-level activity throughout the week.

01:31:17.120 Twice a week, go to the gym and lift weights, maybe upper body, maybe full body.

01:31:21.040 One of those days, make it a leg day, and then one day, go do sprints.

01:31:24.160 And you will get to 85% to 90% of your genetic potential fitness, also provided you get the diet dialed in.

01:31:32.060 Because, you know, 85% of your body composition is determined by how you eat, you know, how your body burns off its own stored body fat.

01:31:39.200 But that's the metric.

01:31:40.580 That's the minimum effective dose.

01:31:42.280 And for building a booty, absolutely, that sprinting is like – it's key.

01:31:47.900 But, you know, I'm not saying don't do lunges.

01:31:50.420 Do squats as well.

01:31:51.940 It's one day a week.

01:31:52.760 No, I'm saying.

01:31:54.560 I'm just saying.

01:31:55.500 If you look at the bodies of the sprinters at the Olympics versus the bodies of the marathon runners, you see the difference.

01:32:01.860 The sprinters have the amazing round, hard bottoms and the marathon runners are teeny

01:32:06.980 tiny skinny with no bottom, which is not exactly what John.

01:32:09.760 Okay, doc, doc, I want to get a viewer question, uh, into you here is, uh, okay.

01:32:15.600 Olga G asks, she's concerned about microplastics that seem to be everywhere.

01:32:20.360 How do you support your body and possibly detox those?

01:32:23.820 And this is related to what Leonardo S.S., which is what's the best way to detox your

01:32:27.400 whole body.

01:32:27.760 A lot of people worried about those microplastics, which is like, even if your house is

01:32:31.760 has as little of that as possible you're breathing it you're breathing it in for in the air at this

01:32:37.180 point you're drinking it so what's the best way i think the detoxing microplastics starts with

01:32:42.020 limiting your intake we we don't really know the best way that the human body can get rid of these

01:32:48.160 there's some speculation that can happen in the sauna i don't really buy it they're just not that

01:32:52.480 size of particle and it's important people understand detoxing yeah well detoxing microplastics

01:32:58.080 You know, potentially heavy metals in the sauna or other volatile compounds, which can be in the sweat.

01:33:03.600 But microplastics in the sauna, I'm skeptical.

01:33:06.000 I think that there are, you got to start with just not intaking them.

01:33:10.800 And I think that people don't understand where we're getting these from.

01:33:14.820 And that's the big problem.

01:33:15.900 Yes, you could imagine that if you're drinking out of a plastic bottle, that that's going to have microplastics.

01:33:20.780 But like you said, Megan, I was really surprised when I realized this.

01:33:25.320 And that's why I've talked about it so much that the paper coffee cups we get from any coffee store are lined with plastic.

01:33:31.140 And anytime you're putting boiling water into plastic, it is just exploding microplastics.

01:33:37.900 And let's just talk numbers, right?

01:33:39.140 So there was a study done at Columbia University, and they're using a special type of microscopy, which is really the gold standard for assaying microplastics and nanoplastics.

01:33:48.140 And the distinction is made based on the size of the plastic particle.

01:33:51.200 if you're less than one micrometer, if you're in the nanometer range, you're talking about

01:33:55.140 nanoplastics. And I think this is the major issue that most people are not talking about.

01:33:59.780 So Columbia looks at bottled water, 250,000 nanoplastics per liter, 250,000. Now, the same

01:34:08.500 could probably be said of these coffee cups when you pour boiling water into them. I'm thinking

01:34:12.880 half a million to a million micro nanoplastics per liter. There was also a study done at Columbia

01:34:20.280 looking at a can of coca-cola i don't think people realize this cans are lined with plastic

01:34:24.780 invariably soup cans soda cans energy drink cans beer cans a can of coca-cola had 3.7 million

01:34:32.640 nano plastics and this possibly is because it's an acidic drink because it has this the sulfuric

01:34:38.460 acid and these acids and the benzoic acid in the coca-cola but an acidic drink in a plastic

01:34:44.900 container is probably even more microplastics so i think we need more research because you look at

01:34:49.640 what people are drinking out of. And it's just, it's, it's all cans now or plastic bottles or

01:34:54.380 soup cans, soup cans are filled hot. So that's essentially the equivalent of a coffee cup

01:35:00.580 lined with plastic. And so if you're just thinking about, okay, don't store your food in plastic,

01:35:05.140 don't cook in plastic, don't reheat your food in plastic. But when you're drinking water or

01:35:09.360 other beverages, do your best to use glass or stainless steel, nobody's going to be perfect.

01:35:14.020 But that's the first step is really just understanding the total load that humans

01:35:18.960 are exposed to. And I think that's the biggest lack that we have in our knowledge gap right now

01:35:24.740 is that I don't think we understand how much of these we're exposed to. And then I think once you

01:35:29.860 do that, the body has mechanisms. We will detox, whether this is through the poop or the pee,

01:35:36.160 your body will figure it out as best as possible. Just stop intaking them. There's some evidence

01:35:41.380 that certain probiotics, maybe some fermented foods can help with their breakdown in the gut,

01:35:45.160 But you just, I think the best advice is just make sure that you have regular bowel movements,

01:35:49.940 hopefully every day, you know, eating healthy foods will help with that and then limit your

01:35:53.840 intake. And that's probably the best you can do beyond really extreme metrics or methods,

01:35:59.080 which are probably not something people need to know that there are some blood cleaning

01:36:02.700 procedures that might be useful, but they're just not accessible to most people today.

01:36:07.320 Mark, what about supplements? I know you, you like creatine, which is like everybody's talking

01:36:11.840 about creatine now. Is that just for guys? Is that for men and women? And what exactly is that

01:36:17.360 going to do for us? You know, creatine is probably the most benign supplement you can take. I built

01:36:23.320 a career manufacturing supplements for 30 years. Before Primal Kitchen and the foods, I was a

01:36:29.060 supplement manufacturer. So I've been in the business for a long time. I don't take that

01:36:33.420 many supplements anymore. I just realized that, again, back to this concept of minimum effective

01:36:38.220 dose of whatever it is in my life, minimum effective dose of exercise, minimum effective

01:36:42.800 dose of food, and now minimum effective dose of supplements. So I take collagen because it's sort

01:36:48.600 of a nose to tail concept that Paul talks about. And I take creatine, but I cycle it on and off

01:36:54.380 because I think the body gets used to creatine over time. And the benefits for men largely are

01:37:01.020 in terms of muscle building. If you're doing a lot of training in the gym, creatine sort of gives you

01:37:06.160 that ability to do 12 repetitions of something you could only do 10 of yesterday and in that

01:37:12.640 in that regard it's allowing you to do more work which then prompts the genes to upregulate to

01:37:17.640 build more muscle creatine is a cell volumizer which just makes the muscles look bigger so 1.00

01:37:23.820 there's there's for guys that's sort of the reason that guys use creatine women are now using

01:37:28.380 creatine and now there's a lot of studies that show that maybe creatine is assisting with brain

01:37:33.320 chemistry and brain health. So there's a good reason to do that. I think, again, I'm seeing

01:37:39.860 sort of a pendulum swinging way out to one side where if five grams of creatine was great, then

01:37:44.660 15 must be amazing and 20 must be even better. I think that's probably inaccurate. I think

01:37:49.620 you can overdo creatine and it can have an effect on kidney function, for instance, if you do too

01:37:56.040 much of it. Yeah, there's some lady all over my Twitter right now on like everybody's podcast 0.98

01:38:01.080 saying I should be taking 20 grams of creatine and that'll make me super focused. If I have a

01:38:06.380 podcast to do, I'm like, I've never taken creatine ever. And then I'm looking at like the side effects

01:38:11.400 that says bloating, which you can get off of five grams, nevermind 20. Like, okay, so I'm going to

01:38:15.380 be super sharp, but I'm going to look like I'm eight months pregnant. Well, that's the cell

01:38:19.500 volumizer that it, you know, it causes cells to retain water. So in the muscle, that's a good

01:38:24.460 thing. But, you know, throughout the body, especially if you're taking in 20 grams, I mean,

01:38:28.340 as a guy, the most I've ever taken is probably 12 grams on a regular basis. So 20 for a small

01:38:33.620 woman would be, I just, I don't, I don't understand the science behind it at all. So 1.00

01:38:37.580 like any of these things, you know, it's having its moment. By the way, creatine has been around

01:38:42.100 for 40 years. It was big in the 80s and 90s, and then it sort of disappeared. And now it's having

01:38:46.680 its moment again. And you see this with a lot of the supplements, you know, N-acetylcysteine,

01:38:52.160 you know, phosphatidine, resveratrol, they come and go over years. But in the case of creatine,

01:38:58.780 I just think it's benign. If you take it in the right amounts, I wouldn't overdo it. I certainly

01:39:04.180 wouldn't take 20 grams a day. Okay, Paul, what do you think about supplements? And also our pal

01:39:10.100 Britt Mayer writes in wanting to know your thoughts on peptides and also nicotine. Nicotine.

01:39:16.640 So what are your thoughts on supplements, peptides, and nicotine? Okay. I just want to say something

01:39:20.140 about creatine too, maybe for you specifically, Megan, but I know that a lot of women have this

01:39:25.700 concern of bloating with creatine. And this is very interesting. So creatine monohydrate, which

01:39:31.140 is probably by far the best research form of creatine that humans can take, is not very

01:39:36.300 soluble in water at room temperature. And so dry scooping creatine is a very bad idea because it

01:39:41.480 is a cell volumizer and it holds onto water. If you dry scoop creatine or you're drinking a creatine

01:39:46.300 drink, and even five grams of creatine is not going to be soluble in less than maybe

01:39:51.100 18 to 24 ounces of water, you're going to get undissolved creatine in your gut. That's going

01:39:58.780 to pull in water from the gut cells, and that's going to give you bloating and potentially even 1.00

01:40:03.300 other unpleasant GI things. So if you get bloating with lower doses of creatine, you just want to

01:40:08.420 drink it with more water or drink it with slightly warmed water where it will be more soluble. So

01:40:14.000 So creatine that's dissolved in water fully is going to be much less likely to cause bloating

01:40:20.900 when men or women take it.

01:40:22.420 But I think about this specifically because my girlfriend wanted to take creatine, but

01:40:25.760 she said it always caused bloating and doing this, adding more water was really helpful

01:40:30.340 for her.

01:40:30.900 So that's important because I think creatine can be helpful for people, but a lot of men

01:40:35.100 and women run into this bloating issue and it's just the form factor by which they're

01:40:38.120 taking it. 1.00

01:40:39.600 So for women, I mean, because most women don't want to build up their muscle bulk, but you're 1.00

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01:40:53.380 found to be valuable in red meat. And very few of us are eating two kilograms of meat per day,

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01:43:33.840 Health experts, Dr. Paul Saladino and Mark Sisson are back with me now.

01:43:38.360 So Dr. Saladino, you were speaking to peptides, nicotine, and supplements.

01:43:45.160 Keep going.

01:43:45.720 Hey, so supplements, I think, are such a wide box, right?

01:43:50.260 That's a huge landscape.

01:43:51.480 Well, I'll give you, I'll give you a place to start. Cause I saw in your, in your talking points,

01:43:56.560 fish oil. Oh yeah. I don't, I don't love that one. Yeah. So yeah, that's news to me. Yeah. So it's

01:44:02.980 kind of like, it's kind of like the rancid oil on the top of the peanut butter. So you think,

01:44:09.040 you know, fish oil is basically fish peanut butter, the oil from fish peanut butter. And it's,

01:44:13.280 it's even, it's even more rancid than, than the oil from peanuts. And so when you look at the

01:44:19.820 data on fish oils, the majority of them fail in terms of peroxide values and oxidation. I think

01:44:25.740 that omega-3s are valuable for humans. We can get them from our foods. Red meat has omega-3s. Egg

01:44:31.980 yolks have omega-3s. Fish has omega-3s. I would prefer people get the omega-3s from food rather

01:44:38.200 than fish oils because you're basically taking the single most fragile oil you could create.

01:44:44.300 The omega-3s in fish oil are long chain and they have so many double bonds, which makes

01:44:49.320 them super fragile that when you isolate them from food, they become rancid very quickly.

01:44:55.040 So I think we should be very careful about fish oil.

01:44:57.700 And I think there's too much interest in fish oil for good reason.

01:45:02.580 We need omega-3s in the human diet, but I would say get it from food.

01:45:06.800 And I think that we don't need to be getting these mega doses of fish oil, probably like

01:45:11.400 we don't need mega doses of any of the vitamins.

01:45:12.860 I think individual supplements beyond that are on a case-by-case basis if there's a nutrient deficiency for humans, and some of them have value, and some of them are probably overused without real evidence behind them.

01:45:24.600 I do think creatine is valuable for humans, both men and women, and beyond that, it's case-by-case.

01:45:31.200 The peptides stuff-

01:45:32.060 What's a peptide?

01:45:32.920 Yeah, okay, yeah.

01:45:34.000 What is a peptide?

01:45:34.700 It's a small protein.

01:45:36.320 It's a small amino acid chain.

01:45:38.640 Technically, it's less than 50 amino acids.

01:45:40.760 And so a lot of the peptides we hear about, there's so many classes today, and I know that there's been a recent move to declassify a whole range of peptides from category two to category one. I think it's interesting that we're reconsidering the safety of these peptides, but a lot of them are mimicking signaling molecules that actually occur in the human body.

01:46:00.480 and this can be useful for humans,

01:46:03.400 but I think it also comes with attendant risks

01:46:05.260 that we have to be careful of.

01:46:06.500 And so it's a long discussion that's very detailed

01:46:09.100 and it's case by case and again, category by category.

01:46:11.820 I'll just talk about a couple of the biggest categories

01:46:14.460 very quickly and then see if you wanna dive in.

01:46:16.800 The biggest ones we think about today are the GLPs.

01:46:19.040 These are peptides.

01:46:20.260 So we have Ozempic, which is a GLP-1 agonist.

01:46:23.220 And then you have Moncharo or Terzepatide,

01:46:25.560 which is a dual agonist between GLP and GIP.

01:46:29.160 And now a lot of people are talking about retitrutide, which is not FDA approved.

01:46:32.920 And that's a triple agonist, GLP, GIP, and glucagon.

01:46:36.840 And so these are being used for weight loss to great effect.

01:46:40.460 And I think that what's interesting about this is that it just signals to me that we

01:46:46.460 have a major obesity problem that is caused by our adulterated food supply.

01:46:50.660 And I'm a little bit taken aback that more people aren't asking that question.

01:46:54.780 So when peptides partially ameliorate a problem that didn't exist 100 years ago, which is

01:47:00.500 this rampant obesity epidemic, one of the most important points of this is we need to

01:47:04.700 be asking questions is why is our food so poisonous?

01:47:07.500 Because the peptides are essentially an antidote, a partial antidote, an imperfect antidote

01:47:12.460 to our adulterated ultra-processed food supply.

01:47:15.660 So if we characterize them in that way, I think we're having a more honest conversation.

01:47:19.700 like, okay, here's a poisonous or a, frankly, a frankenfood food supply. We need these partially

01:47:27.600 antidote medications to get back to reasonable levels of satiety because our satiety centers

01:47:33.180 in our brain and our hypothalamus are so broken by what we're eating. The conversation should

01:47:37.960 also include why is our food so horrible and how do we just fix it at the level of food?

01:47:43.420 I know that these medications are going to help a lot of people. And I hope that

01:47:47.460 people understand you can lose weight without these medications by simply improving the quality

01:47:51.860 of the foods you're eating. I just don't see a world in which people eating single ingredient

01:47:56.980 foods, like you said earlier, Megan, you know, eat food, nothing artificial. You could say mostly

01:48:03.000 plants if you want, or you could say a moderate amount of animal foods. But if we just eat simple

01:48:06.720 single ingredient foods, meat and plants, we will achieve the same things that Ozempic,

01:48:12.880 Manjaro, Ratatutide are giving people without the potential long-term attendant side effects.

01:48:17.720 So it's just, I see it as an incomplete discussion that is dominating the landscape now.

01:48:22.800 It's very interesting.

01:48:23.720 I'd be curious from Mark's perspective here too.

01:48:24.960 People don't realize that some of the urging or the cravings that they're having and the

01:48:28.460 inability to control their appetite is being caused by the foods they are eating when they're

01:48:32.760 eating.

01:48:33.040 So much of this is being caused by these foods.

01:48:36.640 And there was this controversial thing, Oprah came out last year, even on The View and said,

01:48:41.640 I have the fat gene and it's just not true. There's no fat gene, right? There is perhaps-

01:48:47.360 There's no such thing.

01:48:47.800 There's no such thing. Obesity is very complex. And certainly I think there are some people who

01:48:53.600 are predisposed to gaining weight more quickly than other people. We see this across genetic

01:48:58.560 lineages. I mean, I went to medical school in Tucson, Arizona, and this is a fascinating story.

01:49:03.200 So there's a group of Native Americans that are called the Pima Indians. And the Pima Indians

01:49:07.340 are today the most obese and the most diabetic population on the face of the earth. 70 to 80% 1.00

01:49:14.840 of people in the Pima Indian population are obese and about the same number have diabetes.

01:49:20.680 So we're talking, you can fact check on those numbers, but we're talking 50 to 70 plus percent

01:49:25.020 of people in a population have diabetes and the majority of them are obese. But what's fascinating

01:49:30.300 is if you look up pictures of Pima Indians from 200 years ago, they were skinny. They had six 0.99

01:49:37.180 packs, you know, they were, they were not obese. And so we don't have genetics changing in 200

01:49:42.200 years. We have a food landscape changing massively. And so that's interesting. So if we want to have

01:49:48.820 a candid conversation about these GLPs, this wide variety of triple double and single agonists for

01:49:55.200 weight loss, we also need to have a conversation about what's causing the obesity in the first

01:49:59.900 place, because that I think is the most fascinating thing that's being, that's coming out of this for

01:50:04.540 me i mean there are populations like the pima indian all over the place 200 years ago the

01:50:08.540 population is is fit and they're obese i'm today you know so what's changed not the genetics what 0.98

01:50:14.520 they're eating and so i just want people to understand it's complex to change your diet it

01:50:19.100 but it's worthwhile and what you're achieving with ozempic is also achievable by simply changing the

01:50:24.860 quality of the foods you're eating and then i'll just say this before i pause and that maybe mark

01:50:28.900 chime in here because it's such an important issue. The, the, the, the weight comes back when

01:50:34.200 you stop, right? These are not a long-term fix. They don't fix what's going on in your brain in

01:50:39.020 terms of broken satiety signals. And there are some studies coming out now, specifically with

01:50:43.920 Ozempic showing the weight comes back four times faster than stopping exercise. And that's, that's

01:50:49.180 concerning to me. So this is great for pharmaceutical companies because I fear that if people want to

01:50:56.620 keep the weight off, these are almost lifetime medications for people. And that's scary.

01:51:01.860 Yeah, no, they are. That's what Calamine says too. Mark, can you speak to, because we've talked

01:51:07.300 about this before, but can you just hit seed oils for a minute? Because I know there's somewhat of

01:51:10.260 a debate. I had on, oh God, who was it? It was one of these functional medicine doctors. He was

01:51:16.260 great. And it was Dr. Mark Hyman. And he wasn't that concerned about seed oils. He didn't love

01:51:21.640 them, but he was like, eh, you know, it's like you have to choose between this or that. Like,

01:51:26.060 I wouldn't put that high up on the list of things you need to be worried about. So where do you,

01:51:29.180 where are we on seed oils? Yes. You know, I've, um, uh, my, my thinking on this has evolved over

01:51:33.980 the last two decades. I was one of the first guys to talk about the potential harm of industrial

01:51:39.020 seed oils. And in those days we were talking about canola, we were talking about the processing,

01:51:43.580 the hexane extraction and so on. And based on that early assessment, I created a company called

01:51:49.760 Primal Kitchen, which was based on healthy oils and access to healthy fats. Now, in the ensuing

01:51:55.960 years, I've kind of realized that all these things exist on a spectrum. So, you know, oils

01:52:02.560 exist on a spectrum of like really good for you, excellent, amazing oils that are beneficial in

01:52:09.760 pretty much every way to oils that are horrible and aren't that, you know, like you stay away

01:52:14.740 from it at all costs. In between, there are a number of oils that you can use sparingly or

01:52:20.640 cook with or use in a salad dressing occasionally that probably are not going to cause any sort of

01:52:26.580 problems over any period of time. So like, for instance, high oleic sunflower oil, when extracted,

01:52:34.120 you know, cold pressed extracted, probably a great oil. It's a seed oil. So why lump that in with,

01:52:40.720 you know hexane derived rapeseed oil and canola soybean oil things like that so it's a very

01:52:47.600 nuanced topic i would agree with dr hyman which is um you know it takes this is this is this is

01:52:54.520 the problem as a consumer is you have to be educated enough to make those sorts of choices

01:52:59.320 but just the the basic answer is that these exist on a spectrum and you know avocado oil is great

01:53:05.720 i think butter is great as a you know as a natural fat um olive extra virgin olive oil great

01:53:10.640 um, algae oil, a new one on the scene, which I think is really amazing in terms of its monounsaturated

01:53:15.760 content. Um, but you know, so, so kind of limit your primary choices to those, but don't, don't

01:53:23.360 just get so, um, concerned about eliminating every type of seed oil just because it's derived from

01:53:29.100 the seed. Mark, while we're on the subject of companies you've created, Paluva is your company

01:53:35.380 around like footwear.

01:53:37.660 And I know this is like, this is important to you.

01:53:40.280 There's something about being barefoot and our footwear

01:53:44.540 and how we go through life on these two little things

01:53:47.040 we call feet that you think is being overlooked

01:53:49.540 and that is really important to our long-term health.

01:53:52.300 Huge.

01:53:52.540 I think, you know, in this last five or 10 years,

01:53:56.000 longevity has become the buzzword and the biohacking

01:53:58.600 and all the communities looking for all these ways

01:54:00.160 that we can live longer and live better.

01:54:02.280 Obviously living longer isn't that valuable

01:54:04.320 unless you can enjoy life.

01:54:06.140 Part of enjoying life is having mobility,

01:54:08.380 the ability to travel around the world

01:54:09.920 and experience the world.

01:54:13.140 And so with that in mind,

01:54:14.280 I think foot health is the lowest hanging fruit

01:54:18.040 in all of longevity. 0.89

01:54:19.620 You know, you look at people over 65

01:54:21.020 who fall and break a hip

01:54:22.320 and are either immobile or die.

01:54:24.960 Some significant percent of them die within a year

01:54:27.600 just from a fall.

01:54:29.260 Again, and this relates back to the health

01:54:32.380 and stability and mobility

01:54:33.440 and agility of their feet. So feet are, I think, the new sleep. This is what I'm sort of

01:54:38.720 penning this phrase. And we need to take care of our feet. We need to acknowledge that the

01:54:44.240 modern footwear has destroyed most people's feet. Most people have foot issues, like 83%

01:54:50.200 of Americans complain of foot problems or foot pain or foot health issues. That should not be,

01:54:56.100 and particularly in light of the fact that everything else we're doing, we seem to be

01:54:59.900 improving. But we cram our feet into these narrow, restrictive, overly built shoes, sometimes in the

01:55:07.460 name of fashion, but sometimes even sport shoes, which then they take away all of the ground feel,

01:55:14.020 all the feeling that our feet need to sense the temperature, the tilt, the texture of the ground

01:55:18.260 underneath. And so feet have been kind of destroyed over decades by the footwear. And so I decided I

01:55:26.340 would create a shoe company that would allow feet to become feet, to do what they were supposed to

01:55:31.140 do, to be in contact with the ground. I mean, every move you make, every time you walk or jump

01:55:37.140 or run or dance or set up for a tennis shot or whatever it is, it starts with your contact with

01:55:42.740 ground. And if you don't have strong, resilient feet, then everything up the kinetic chain

01:55:47.500 suffers as a result. So I created a shoe. It's called Paluva. This is an example of it. It's a

01:55:53.660 five-toed shoe. So it lets your toes articulate individually. For the listening audience,

01:56:02.800 it's got the five toes. The front of the shoe shows your five toes. You slip your five toes

01:56:08.500 into it. And that's the most important part. It's pretty much gloves for your feet. So the

01:56:11.880 most important part of this is to allow your toes to splay outwardly. The big toe is the most

01:56:17.180 important joint in the foot. And now we cram it against the other toes. We scrunch it into a

01:56:23.440 pointy shoe um and we take away all of this amazing uh locomotion that the that the big toe

01:56:29.920 allows us the big toe should be the last point of contact every time you push off the ground

01:56:33.480 and what we've done with paluva is we've created a shoe that allows you to uh walk with with good

01:56:40.680 form uh it sort of self-corrects your gait over time um it allows it because it's a thin shoe

01:56:47.020 it's thin enough that you could feel the cobblestones underneath or or a stick or a stone

01:56:51.580 or a divot in the ground, and it feels good.

01:56:54.880 You want your toes to accommodate to that surface.

01:56:57.640 You want your toes to move individually.

01:56:59.800 And every step you take in that context

01:57:02.140 strengthens the intrinsic muscle of the feet,

01:57:04.520 which then builds the ankles up,

01:57:06.160 which then improves the integrity of the arch.

01:57:09.280 And over time, you get stronger.

01:57:11.360 It's the next best thing to barefoot.

01:57:12.980 Pardon me?

01:57:13.800 Yeah, I mean, look, I would rather-

01:57:15.380 It's the next best thing to barefoot.

01:57:16.060 I would rather everyone go barefoot,

01:57:17.400 but look at this world we've created.

01:57:18.620 It's concrete, it's pavement, it's hardwood floors,

01:57:20.600 it's tile, it's glass and, you know, dogs. It's everywhere we, you know, navigate. It seems like

01:57:27.880 we should be wearing some form of footwear. So we've created the closest thing to a barefoot

01:57:32.840 experience possible. You know, it's so funny, Mark. When I was younger and more like a I am

01:57:39.220 woman, hear me roar kind of mood, I used to joke that high heels and skirts were all part of men's

01:57:46.960 plan to stifle women. Like we can't, we cannot run fast, can't defend. And those shoes that we

01:57:54.260 all wear are like a little pizza slice. It is, these are not fit for human feet. It's like the

01:58:02.360 high heels are the pointiest, most unbelievable thing to try to shove your foot into. No, it's

01:58:09.400 crazy. Like it's worse than anything we do to a man down there and it's truly damaging. Megan,

01:58:14.160 it's worse than anything and so not just the pointy the the number of women whose whose feet 1.00

01:58:19.060 now look like those pointy stiletto heels in other words they have a bunion the toes pointed in 1.00

01:58:24.420 but also because of the nature of the heel four inch heels will shorten the calf muscle over time

01:58:31.740 because the calf is it's just naturally shortened and then a couple things happen number one your

01:58:36.020 achilles gets too much stress on the achilles as a result of a shortened calf muscle also it throws

01:58:42.320 your center of gravity off. So now your center of balance, now your hips tilt forward, your back

01:58:46.420 moves back to accommodate that. And what we see is bad posture in women who have been wearing heels 1.00

01:58:52.700 for their career. And it's how you get bunions. 100%. I mean, look, bunions are not a genetic 1.00

01:59:00.480 disease. People tell me all the time, well, I have bunions because my mother had bunions. And so

01:59:04.500 naturally, no, bunions are 100% a result of the footwear that you've chosen. 100%. Any

01:59:11.500 indigenous peoples. I mean, Paul spent time with the Hadza. None of those Hadza have bunions,

01:59:15.900 right? They just have perfect, perfect feet with amazingly well-balanced kinetic chain.

01:59:22.420 Look, because everybody's born with perfect feet, everybody's born with a perfect kinetic chain.

01:59:28.240 It's as long as you give the input to the bottoms of the feet, as long as the feet know that as

01:59:32.700 soon as you weight that forward foot, the brain has all the information it needs on exactly how

01:59:37.740 to organize your individual kinetic chain, whether you're, you know, knock-kneed or wide-hip or

01:59:42.800 whatever, it doesn't matter. You have a perfect kinetic chain for you, provided that information

01:59:47.620 gets to the brain through the bottoms of the feet, and that's the shoes. Once that brain has

01:59:52.140 the information, it knows exactly how much to scrunch the arch around that rock, or how much

01:59:56.540 to articulate, or how much to roll the ankle to the outside because the ankle is supposed to roll

02:00:01.680 to offset so that the knee doesn't tweak because of having stepped down on something. The foot is

02:00:07.260 such an amazing appendage. It just, it makes me so sad that we've like locked it up in these,

02:00:12.320 encased it in these tombs our whole life. Yeah, no, it's a brilliant idea. You sent me a pair

02:00:16.960 of these and they took a little getting used to, but they feel great after you've worn them for

02:00:20.660 just a short time. It's like slipping into a slipper. It feels like second nature. And by the

02:00:26.460 way, so the company is Paluva. Can you spell it just because people are going to want to go there

02:00:29.440 P-L-U-V-A, Peluva, yep.

02:00:32.580 Okay, so doc, back to you.

02:00:35.000 Can we spend one minute on other things we should be doing

02:00:39.360 like sauna, cold plunge, red light?

02:00:44.880 You tell me, what comes to mind?

02:00:46.240 What are some other things we can be doing

02:00:47.900 besides diet and exercise and our feet

02:00:49.840 that we should be thinking about

02:00:51.560 and supplements and medicine, et cetera,

02:00:54.080 that we should be thinking about

02:00:55.020 in terms of longevity and wellness?

02:00:56.540 I think about sleep. And I think about all the things that go around sleep specifically. So some people are more sensitive than other people to this, but phones, screens, blue light before you go to sleep, having a consistent sleep schedule at night, getting good quality sleep, having a bedroom that's very dark, preferably very cool.

02:01:17.640 67 degrees is perhaps the best temperature and study 66 67 so like think about optimizing your

02:01:23.960 sleep and i this is really the conversation for me you know like the peptide conversation the

02:01:28.760 supplement conversation it's like all of these should start with the food and the sleep

02:01:32.920 conversations and then you go from there right nothing should be more important than optimizing

02:01:37.080 what you're eating and then your your sleep and these can be very complicated and they can

02:01:40.820 require a large amount of our attention but if you can get your sleep and your your diet dialed in

02:01:46.300 And then, yeah, you could maybe think about some supplementation.

02:01:49.120 You could think about some light.

02:01:50.300 When it comes to light, the first thing I think about is your morning sunlight.

02:01:53.780 Many others have talked about that as well.

02:01:55.260 But there is an importance to the circadian rhythm.

02:01:57.720 And going outdoors, even on a sunny or cloudy or rainy day, is going to be important.

02:02:03.400 When I walk around in the morning when I'm in Miami, I see people on their morning walk and they're wearing sunglasses.

02:02:10.260 And I think, okay, I get that in the middle of the day the sun can be very bright.

02:02:14.160 but on your morning walk, you want the information from the sunlight coming into your eyes. You want

02:02:20.620 that hitting the back of your eye. You want that in your retina. I know women get concerned. They

02:02:23.760 don't want to squint and develop the wrinkles, but spend some time, especially in the morning,

02:02:28.720 especially within the first 30 to 45 minutes of waking up outdoors without sunglasses on,

02:02:35.040 preferably without contacts in your eyes or glasses in front of your eyes, getting full

02:02:39.400 spectrum, non-flickering sunlight. You don't have to look directly at the sun, right? But just

02:02:43.200 getting ambient, bright light, more than 10,000 lux into your eyes and into your brain, into the

02:02:49.160 suprachiasmatic nucleus, that's the sort of bookmark to the beginning of your day. And then

02:02:53.720 all of your hormonal patterns, which happen on a circadian rhythm can sort of happen in concert

02:03:00.100 with that. That's really important. And then, you know, in the middle of the day, getting out in

02:03:04.060 the middle of the day, spending some time in the middle of the day on bright sunlight, even without

02:03:07.200 glasses or sunglasses, you don't have to look at the sun again, you don't have to hurt your eyes,

02:03:10.560 But getting these cues from our light environment are important. And then at night, having an absence of light is really important. There are good studies showing that the brighter our days and the darker our nights, the longer we live. And the reverse is true. There are negative impacts on longevity when your days are dark and gray, presumably you're inside, not talking Seattle here, because even outdoors in Seattle in the winter, it's brighter than it is indoors.

02:03:38.220 And if your nights are sort of not dark enough, these, this coordination of just always gray

02:03:44.560 and never bright and dark, this is bad for our longevity as humans.

02:03:48.480 And we don't think about this, but I mean, back to where we've come from as humans, bright

02:03:52.080 days outside and the nights are super dark, even a full moon.

02:03:56.200 No, wait, let me ask you a question about that.

02:03:58.680 So I, I believe I saw, I'm pretty sure it was you who took us through your home in Costa

02:04:03.160 Rica and showed us like all the crazy things that you have there.

02:04:06.500 like things that are good for health. And one of them, if memory serves, was do you not have

02:04:14.320 internet? Do you not have 5G? You don't have Wi-Fi inside? Or you had some apparatus where it was

02:04:19.020 like not in the house. Well, I can't remember, but walk me through your thoughts on Wi-Fi.

02:04:23.680 Well, Wi-Fi is interesting. So again, this gets fairly technical, but the signal that your cell

02:04:28.020 phone puts out, the signal that your Wi-Fi router puts out, these are in the radio frequency EMF

02:04:32.800 band. And there's conflicting research here. We're not sure as humans, but I take this,

02:04:38.040 I'm cautious with this. And so in, in most of my, most of the time in my house, there's no wifi,

02:04:44.620 which means I use cords. It's not very pretty, but I'll, if I can, I've sort of built the ethernet

02:04:49.400 cables into the walls and I'll use ethernet. So I don't have wifi in the house during the day.

02:04:53.460 So if you use an RF EMF meter, a radio frequency EMF meter in my house, it's essentially going to

02:04:58.380 say zero unless there's a cell phone around. Now at night, especially, I think why not just turn

02:05:04.560 the Wi-Fi off? I'm not surfing the internet at two in the morning when I'm in dreamland. I don't

02:05:08.480 need Wi-Fi in my house. And then I'm also conscientious. My cell phone is on full airplane

02:05:13.380 mode. It's not near my bed. I just, I think that over the next five to 10 years, we're going to

02:05:18.980 learn more and more research and data is going to come out about how these radio frequency and

02:05:25.400 potentially magnetic fields, which are ELF signals, can affect human biology. And I'm not

02:05:30.340 convinced at this moment that they're completely benign. Is this the most important input to worry

02:05:34.580 about? Probably not. I think, again, start with sleep and start with food. But there are some

02:05:39.840 studies suggesting that having your cell phone next to your bed can disturb sleep architecture.

02:05:43.600 We don't fully understand this yet. And I have concerns when we're wearing AirPods all day,

02:05:48.920 those are meaningfully producing a large amount of radio frequency, EMF, on the order of what

02:05:55.220 your microwave is putting out, you know, not in the microwave, but if you're standing a few feet

02:05:59.060 from the microwave, that's essentially what you're putting in your ears, a couple of centimeters

02:06:04.140 from brain tissue. And if you're wearing that all day, or if you're wearing your cell phone on your

02:06:09.160 hip, is the radio frequency EMF affecting fertility in men or women, especially for men,

02:06:16.100 is it affecting sperm production and fertility? So I'm sort of taking a cautious approach here

02:06:20.520 and doing what I can without having it be too incredibly inconvenient. And then seeing how I

02:06:25.560 feel there is this, I'm sure all three of us understand this. There is this subjective feeling

02:06:30.500 of calmness when we're in nature or we're camping. And that could be a lot of things,

02:06:34.680 right? That could be being surrounded by trees, cleaner air, but I can't help but think that

02:06:39.120 there's probably some elements of that where there is essentially zero, what we would call

02:06:44.380 non-native EMF. You know, this is something that's completely new to our biology as humans,

02:06:48.660 this level of, this is all essentially light. We just can't see these photons. So just like

02:06:54.960 visible light is a certain spectrum of light. EMF in general, whether it's radio frequency from

02:07:00.140 your phone or your wifi router, this is all a type of light. They're all photons. And I think

02:07:04.700 that they're all affecting human biology. And I just try to think about that. It's a little bit

02:07:08.220 out of the mainstream, but I'm cautious of it. Yes. I don't know if it's BS or not,

02:07:14.160 but we did have a guy come to the house and kind of measure RF, you know, like he's got some little

02:07:19.580 thing and he took a look at like how much is coming out of this outlet and that outlet. And

02:07:24.340 if you have a place in your house where like all the plugs go in, you know, that thing would have

02:07:27.480 been like going off on his little meter. And he did put some things into the outlets and around

02:07:33.940 certain outlets to like lower the amount of, again, this could be total bullshit. I just wonder, 0.98

02:07:38.740 is this like the mold industry where like there could be a real problem and, but then there's

02:07:42.520 also a lot of charlatans out there trying to like scare you anyway we did it it wasn't that expensive

02:07:47.640 it was like you say kind of a hedge like okay it's it's probably i feel a little better that

02:07:52.640 it's there we did not get rid of wi-fi in the house of course like look at me now i mean like

02:07:57.040 surrounded by electric you know modes everywhere so yeah we're hedging our bets here too this i

02:08:03.020 could keep doing this forever you guys please come back soon i was just saying my team like

02:08:06.280 we need to make this a regular segment i learned so much you're both so knowledgeable and such

02:08:10.100 good talkers. Really, really grateful to you both. Thanks for having us on. Yeah. Yeah. Lots of love.

02:08:16.460 I'll see you online before I see you here again. And I look forward to that next time. Are they

02:08:20.280 great? Dr. Paul Saldino and Mark Sisson, who, um, he's been great. I love Mark Sisson and buy all

02:08:26.020 of his books. Those two meals a day cookbooks are so helpful. Even I can do it. And trust me,

02:08:31.220 if I can do it, you can do it. There's an amazing pulled pork recipe in there that you make like

02:08:39.460 in the, um, well, it's not the pressure cooker. It's like the slow cooker. And, uh, my, my whole

02:08:46.380 family loves it. And you make it with, uh, coleslaw that you can buy at the grocery store,

02:08:53.540 along with the primal kitchen mayo that you mix in there. It is so good. All three of my kids love

02:08:59.880 it. My husband and I love it. Uh, that's just one of the many things you should buy from Mark Sisson.

02:09:04.420 And, uh, we got to check out Dr. Saladino's website too. It sounds like he's got, you can

02:09:09.000 get his testicle ridden organ pill. Apparently you can get testicles, you can get liver, 0.99

02:09:18.940 all sorts of stuff in there as our intro to eating organs, uh, which everybody says is good for you,

02:09:25.760 including most importantly, my, uh, my Nana lived to 101. So lots of love you guys. Lots to think

02:09:31.360 about as we go into this weekend, I'm going to live forever. Let's do it together. God bless you

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 17, 2026

Trump Tells Israel ＂Enough is Enough,＂ PLUS Truth About Carbs, Peptides, and Foot Health, with Dr. Paul Saladino and Mark Sisson ｜ Ep. 1298

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