The biggest obstacles to Trump s second term agenda have not come from Congress or the media, but from the courts. Judges have been slapping down injunctions after injunction after injunction that stop the Trump agenda in its tracks. Today, Mike Solana is back with me in studio to debate with me.
00:01:09.780They have halted his deportations of Venezuelan gang members under the Alien Enemies Act.
00:01:16.300Those cases have raised fascinating legal and political questions.
00:01:20.400And there are so many others that they have tried to stop him on his DEI agenda, on his gender agenda, on cleaning up our federal employee ranks and firing dead weight.
00:01:33.860I mean, you name it, they've stopped it.
00:01:36.020And this appears to be how we're going to be living for the next four years.
00:01:39.440The only question is whether the Supreme Court's going to start doing its job and sending a message to the lower courts that no one elected them to do anything.
00:01:46.840Literally nobody elected federal district court judges.
00:01:51.720And they have a role, absolutely, they have a role in when there's overreach.
00:01:57.080But in certain lanes, they actually don't.
00:01:59.440Courts are not allowed to decide, quote, political questions.
00:02:05.140Political questions from the dawn of time have been left to the other branches because those political branches are directly answerable to us.
00:02:15.240So if they screw up a political question, we will fire their asses.
00:02:19.740But we cannot fire federal district court judges.
00:02:24.120And so that's just part of why it's been so controversial what they've been doing to stop Trump.
00:02:30.900I mean, the whole Trump second presidency in its crib.
00:02:34.220Joining me now to debate, Dave Ehrenberg, former state attorney general, state attorney, I should say, for Palm Beach County, Florida, and now managing partner of Dave Ehrenberg Law, as well as a frequent contributor to the Legal AF YouTube channel.
00:02:47.940And Mike Davis, founder and president of the Article 3 project, he lives his life saying Legal AF.
00:02:57.140You can see, you can see Dave on MSNBC, you can see Mike on Fox, but this is the only place you will see them together.
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00:04:19.240So we've got to kick it off with the trend to Aragua deportations.
00:04:23.860And yesterday there was this hearing on in the court of Judge Boasberg, which is in the D.C. federal district court.
00:04:33.520And he's trying to decide whether the Trump administration committed contempt of court because a month ago, after Trump put three plane loads of suspected Venezuelan gang members on planes, at least one plane of which had already been ordered to be removed by a federal district judge and said,
00:04:53.220get out of here, you're going to El Salvador, the ACLU ran into court, said, Judge Boasberg, Judge Boasberg, please stop it.
00:05:05.560Stop those planes and said to the Trump administration, if those planes are in the air, you turn them around right now.
00:05:11.980I don't care if they've left U.S. airspace.
00:05:14.000Tell them to turn their asses around, get those illegals back to America.
00:05:17.100And with respect to two of those planes, they'd already left and they did not comply with an order to turn the flights around.
00:05:26.620And with respect to the third plane, it had not yet left, but it did not have any illegals on it who were being deported under the controversial law that was in front of Judge Boasberg, which is the Alien Enemies Act.
00:05:40.080So the Trump administration didn't feel like they had to do anything on that plane because they were like, these people have been ordered removed.
00:05:45.200We're not using the Alien Enemies Act.
00:05:46.960You really have no jurisdiction to say anything about those illegals, Judge.
00:05:50.580So this judge is pissed off about the fact that we didn't turn those planes around and bring them back.
00:05:55.880And he might hold the Trump administration in contempt.
00:05:58.440But before we even get to that, Mike Davis, this judge did issue an injunction a month ago saying, and no more deportations under the Alien Enemies Act.
00:06:10.080You turn those planes around and no more using the Alien Enemies Act to deport Venezuelan gang members, period, until I've decided whether there's really an invasion or a predatory incursion, which is what's required under the Alien Enemies Act for the president to be able to deport them in the way he has.
00:06:29.840I will decide. And the Trump administration said, no, you won't.
00:06:34.880You will not, because the jurisprudence interpreting this act has said there is no judicial review of that call.
00:06:41.960And things didn't change in the past 250 years.
00:06:45.320You didn't find new executive authorities as a district court judge.
00:06:49.360You will not determine whether there's been a predatory incursion.
00:13:54.940And it is telling that the Supreme Court has not jumped in.
00:13:56.920They never questioned our declaration of war after 9-11.
00:14:00.660They didn't question our declaration of war with respect to Iraq or Afghanistan.
00:14:04.520The courts have typically been reluctant to go anywhere near that kind of political declaration because they understand when you're talking about political questions, the president is at the apex of his powers.
00:14:15.680And the courts, to say they're at their nadir, they have nothing.
00:14:23.720Right, but this is something different.
00:14:25.560Well, remember, the Alien Enemies Act says declaration of war, or as you correctly said, there has to be an invasion or a threatened invasion.
00:14:31.860And the president doesn't have the unlimited, unchecked power to interpret that act to say, I'm going to decide there's an invasion.
00:14:38.600Because if you give the president that kind of power, then Katie bar the door, there is no limit to executive power now.
00:14:45.560Let me read to you from Ledecky v. Watkins, 1948, interpreting the Alien Enemies Act.
00:14:53.700They say, accordingly, we hold it, the full responsibility for the just exercise of this great power under the Alien Enemies Act and the declarations may validly be left where the Congress has constitutionally placed it, on the president of the United States.
00:15:05.900The founders, in their wisdom, made him not only the commander-in-chief, but also the guiding organ in the conduct of our foreign affairs.
00:15:13.200He who was entrusted with such vast powers in relation to the outside world was also entrusted by Congress almost throughout the whole life of the nation.
00:15:21.820With the disposition of alien enemies during a state of war, such a page of history is worth more than a volume of rhetoric.
00:15:29.680And they go on to say, all systems of government, this is quoting from an earlier case, suppose they are to be administered by men of common sense and common honesty.
00:15:37.960In our country, as all ultimately depends on the voice of the people, they have it in their power.
00:15:44.820And it is to be presumed they generally will choose men of this description.
00:15:48.580But if they will not, the case, to be sure, is without remedy.
00:15:52.300If they choose fools, they're talking about as leaders, they will have foolish laws.
00:15:56.040If they choose knaves, they will have knavish ones.
00:15:58.660But this can never be the case until they are generally fools or knaves themselves, which, thank God, is not likely ever to become the character of the American people.
00:16:05.780The whole thing is about how if we effed up in picking the wrong leader, politics is the remedy, not courts.
00:16:14.260Megan, there are several laws at play here.
00:16:19.060It's the Alien Enemies Act, which we've already discussed.
00:16:21.660And then there are the conventions against torture.
00:16:24.220The ACLU is resting a lot also on the fact that this prison where they're sending these folks to violate federal law on torture.
00:16:31.900I don't think that's their best argument, quite frankly.
00:16:33.680I think the Alien Enemies Act is a better argument.
00:16:35.760But because of these outstanding questions, the judge has a right to weigh in and to make that decision and impose an injunction.
00:16:43.520And then it goes to the Circuit Court of Appeals, which it did.
00:16:48.680They said the judge did not act improperly.
00:16:51.780And now it goes to U.S. Supreme Court.
00:16:53.280So to me, this is happening the way it should be happening.
00:16:56.640And the fact that U.S. Supreme Court has not jumped in already tells you that this is not an easy question where the president just gets unlimited and unchecked.
00:17:10.860John Roberts could have said by himself he had the power to say, no, that temporary injunction that was just upheld by the Court of Appeals is lifted.
00:17:26.620But the Supreme Court should ASAP issue an order slapping down the district judge and the Court of Appeals for not understanding the difference between a legal question and a political one.
00:17:37.320Yeah, we're in very dangerous territory when you can have a district court judge in America sabotage an ongoing military operation, order the president to turn around planes, bring back 200 of the worst terrorists in the Western Hemisphere back to America.
00:17:55.260Without knowing if we have the security capability in place like they did in El Salvador.
00:18:00.680This is very dangerous when judges weighed in to these commander in chief powers of the president.
00:18:06.360So I would say this to the chief justice, John Roberts, and I would say this to Justice Amy Coney Barrett.
00:18:12.340They failed to do their job when Judge Ali on the D.C. District Court ordered the president ordered the president to issue two billion dollars in checks in foreign aid without the president being able to do a national security review to make sure that we're not funding, for example, Hamas terrorist under the guise of Gazan humanitarian relief.
00:18:38.420Right. And so all that did was embolden these activist judges.
00:18:42.960And now we see Judge Bosberg taking the judiciary to the brink by threatening to hold in contempt of court Trump administration officials for not abandoning a military operation and not endangering the lives of American and their allies and landing those damn planes, which is what they had to do in this circumstance.
00:19:06.800And so Judge Bosberg is going to take us to the brink. And this could be stopped and this could be stopped today if the chief justice, John Roberts, would do his damn job and get his judicial house in order and get these judicial saboteurs, these activist judges in line.
00:19:24.020There was an amazing, amazing piece posted to National Review this week, co-authored by John Yoo and Robert J.
00:19:33.020Delahunty, both of whom are very well respected attorneys.
00:19:37.280John Yoo was instrumental in the Trump administration.
00:19:39.500My friend, Grant Greenwald, Greenwald would really want me to tell you that his defense of some of the overreaches on torture and so on were inexcusable.
00:19:48.620That is some people's view of John Yoo.
00:19:50.580I think he's brilliant. And in this co-authored piece on National Review, they lay out they lay it out so clearly.
00:19:59.000I urge everybody to go and read it. The title of it is standby.
00:20:03.300The courts overstep in the messy clash with Trump over Trend de Aragua.
00:20:07.580And here is what they say in part. OK, I'm going to read from it.
00:20:10.580The two to one decision by the Court of Appeals upholding Bosberg intrudes into the province of the elected branches of government over war and national security.
00:20:17.340A federal court has never before overruled the decision of a president or Congress that the United States has suffered an attack or an invasion.
00:20:25.020They go on to say judicial review does not extend to every constitutional question.
00:20:30.560The Supreme Court itself has long recognized that there are certain political questions which the Constitution itself has committed to the final decision of the president or Congress or which have no legal standards that the courts can apply.
00:20:43.700That's the problem here. There's no Judge Bosberg does not know better than Trump whether an invasion has happened.
00:20:51.980He doesn't. There are no legal standards for him to use in determining that.
00:20:56.640That is a call by the chief executive, by the commander in chief who is getting intelligence briefings, who has classified information coming to him on a daily basis of what the Venezuelans are doing.
00:21:06.980And as we pointed out in another piece that we discussed earlier this week, which we mentioned by Bart Marquois, there is evidence that the Venezuelan government works with Trenda Aragua and has intentionally sent them here.
00:21:21.480Quoting here from the piece, the Venezuelan, this is from this is from a law enforcement high level investigator who is actually on the ground saying, quote,
00:21:29.980The Venezuelan regime has assumed operational control of Trenda Aragua, has trained 300 of them.
00:21:35.800They've given them paramilitary training, training them to fire weapons and how to conduct sabotage.
00:21:40.580They have given them all a four to six week course.
00:21:43.360They put these 300 guys through that course and then they were deploying them into the United States at 20 separate states in 20 separate states.
00:21:51.160And by the way, the Alien Enemies Act, Dave, only requires that there be an attempted, an attempted predatory incursion.
00:22:01.920How how do you say Judge Bozberg is better positioned with zero, zero presidential daily briefs, zero access to classified information that he gets from Tulsi Gabbard and all those around him who head up the Pentagon and the national intelligence branches
00:22:18.120to make a call on whether we're suffering from an attempted predatory incursion.
00:22:23.020How is he better suited than the commander in chief?
00:22:25.240Well, I'm thankful that there is a judge out there and judges in the appellate court who actually are trying to constrain the unlimited power of the executive branch,
00:22:34.100especially when you have these intelligence folks who apparently aren't such so good at their jobs that there are people out there who are sent to this prison who are not gang members.
00:22:43.340And so that's where the judge should be stepping in to at least to check the power of the federal government to make sure that they're complying with the law of the people.
00:23:14.000And once that's a win for President Trump, we can nitpick about whether an individual guy gets a habeas review, et cetera.
00:23:19.460But it's a huge win for the Trump administration.
00:23:21.380And it's very important one because what the left is to ACLU right now is trying to do is clip the wings of our sitting commander in chief.
00:23:28.600Well, I'm glad that he's targeting this dangerous gang, but I'm not glad that there are individuals who have been deported who are not members of the gang without any due process.
00:23:39.260And so I actually like the fact that there are judges out there who are trying to slow down this process to make sure they get it right.
00:23:45.980And that Alien Enemies Act is not absolute.
00:23:49.120It doesn't give the president unlimited authority without any check.
00:23:52.160There's still Marbury versus Madison judicial review.
00:23:54.900There are still Article three judges out there.
00:23:57.920But also, can I just say, I'm reading here again from the John Yoo piece.
00:24:02.260OK, recognizing these limits to the judicial role is no dereliction of duty.
00:24:08.220In Marbury versus Madison, the very case that first declared the power of judicial review, in that case, the court said, we say what the lies.
00:24:14.480The courts are the ones who say what the law is.
00:24:17.320Chief Justice John Marshall used his own discretion, quote.
00:24:21.320Quote, OK, he says for his decisions, quote, he, the president, is accountable only to his country in his political character and to his own conscience, end quote.
00:24:33.700His choices cannot be questioned in court because, quote, the subjects are political, end quote.
00:24:38.560These issues, quote, respect the nation, not individual rights and being entrusted to the executive.
00:24:44.480The decision of the executive is conclusive.
00:24:46.900They, too, understood, Dave, that if it's a political question, it is not the courts that have the final say.
00:24:53.160The unitary executive theory, where pretty much the president is the most powerful of the three branches of government.
00:25:00.780And I get it. And John Roberts seems to agree with that, that he was the one who authored the immunity ruling.
00:25:05.040So it is telling that that same John Roberts is not moving to protect President Trump from judicial review because he knows what the lower courts know.
00:25:14.680And that is the executive branch's domination is not absolute here.
00:25:18.480The executive branch does have power, but they are checked by the other two co-equal branches of government.
00:25:23.820And this is the first time in history that Congress has stepped back and emasculated itself and given all of its power to the presidency, to the executive branch.
00:25:30.940So I'm glad that there are judges out there who are at least doing their job to slow down this unquestioned.
00:25:36.660I mean, it was the Congress of 1798 that did that, Dave.
00:25:40.700He makes it sound like it's Mike Johnson, Mike Davis.
00:25:44.620You know, like it was the Congress of 1798 that said we are choosing to give the executive these extraordinary powers and without judicial review.
00:25:52.680And the Supreme Court in interpreting that act said there's no judicial review of this.
00:25:59.140It's a political question that we are out of our lane if we try to take on.
00:26:02.740Mike, let me get you to weigh in on it.
00:26:04.180Let me just read you just another little snippet from the John UPs.
00:26:08.720He goes on to say, courts have studiously avoided second guessing the decisions of the elected branches of government.
00:26:15.320Federal judges refused to rule on the legality of not just the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, but every war in American history, even the Guantanamo Bay cases.
00:26:22.600There they deferred to the decision of President George W. Bush, etc.
00:26:28.000In the case by the D.C. Circuit that affirmed the temporary restraining order against Trump's deportation powers under alien enemies, he says the D.C. Circuit ignored the judiciary's traditional deference on questions of war.
00:26:48.040She displayed little modesty in rejecting the claim that Trenda Uragua's conduct qualified as an invasion.
00:26:54.380Based on her review of the history of the 1798 Act, she concluded that an invasion, quote, required far more than an unwanted entry to constitute an invasion.
00:27:18.200On this ground alone, the Supreme Court should grant emergency review of this case.
00:27:21.620Federal judges do not have the capability, the understanding or access to information to make sensitive decisions on whether a foreign actor represents a national security threat, nor can they judge the harms that could arise from action or inaction.
00:27:39.440Courts are not designed to make policy decisions involving probabilities and risks, which are characteristic of war and national security.
00:27:47.400I would say, Mike, I would say this judge, Karen Henderson, lovely lady, but she's like this 80 year old judge, Republican appointed judge who hires all these liberal law clerks, all these liberal law clerks, not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer.
00:28:06.460And it's time for Judge Henderson to step down, and it's time for Judge Henderson to step down and retire.
00:28:16.340She's just clearly wrong here, and she's dangerously wrong here.
00:28:21.240When you have judges taking on the president's commander in chief role and trying to second guess the president when he's trying to expel foreign terrorists who are working with enemy countries to sabotage America.
00:28:36.440That is his constitutional duty as commander in chief to get these terrorists the hell out of our country.
00:28:42.900And any judge who thinks that they have the power to second guess and get in the way should not be on the bench.
00:28:50.680OK, now let's talk about the individual rights.
00:28:53.120I really feel very strongly, contrary to what you say, Dave, contrary to the argument I had with Charles C.W. Cook on this podcast two weeks ago.
00:29:02.060Trump has this power under the Alien Enemies Act, and it's really clear.
00:29:05.180And I think these judges are way out over their skis.
00:29:08.100And I actually do have hope that the Supreme Court is going to slap them and hard and remind them that they're unelected judges, that nobody elected them to do anything.
00:29:35.460And actually, if I went back and did a dive, my God helped me into other cases interpreting the Alien Enemies Act, including one that came down in 1813.
00:29:45.060Gentlemen, this is how I spent my morning.
00:29:47.7601813 cases I was looking at where the court later clarified in a case called Lockington v.
00:29:53.920Smith, that judicial review, they had said that judicial review into whether an individual is actually an alien enemy is OK.
00:30:01.900Like that that we will allow not to whether the president had the power to declare it or use it, but individual circumstances like I'm not Trenda Aragua.
00:30:22.440He did no wrong putting them on a plane and shipping them off to this El Salvadorian prison.
00:30:26.900But now, and this is why the administration is conceding it, they will have to give individual hearings where the person is claiming I'm not Trenda Aragua.
00:30:37.860And I don't exactly know how that happens.
00:31:18.480Every time there's a judge's ruling, you just send the people into international airspace and then torture them for whatever you need to do.
00:32:12.060He wasn't even the emergency judge four Saturdays ago when he opened up his courtroom, when he exposed this ongoing military operation, when he endangered American and allied lives.
00:32:23.520I mean, this was a very high-stakes operation.
00:32:27.040And separate from that, look at the foreign policy implications of this.
00:32:31.920El Salvador president takes this high risk to take these terrorists, and then he has the planes turn around.
00:32:40.220What foreign leader would want to cut a deal with the president of the United States if they're going to be humiliated because an activist judge decides that they're going to be the commander-in-chief on Saturday and sabotage and abort the operation?
00:32:55.920And you've undermined that leader in his country.
00:32:58.960I mean, separate from the security issue, you're damaging the president's ability to conduct foreign affairs.
00:33:06.920As far as we can see, nobody, including the ACLU, I raised this question repeatedly this week saying I'm looking into the legality of shipping them out.
00:33:18.940I accept he has the power, as I've just argued for the past half hour plus.
00:33:23.280But is it legal to put them in prison?
00:33:25.640Like, that to me is an interesting question.
00:33:27.160How do they wind up in prison without due process on criminal charges against them, you know, for being gang members, for committing alleged crimes?
00:33:38.000How do you—like, I get how you deport them.
00:33:40.040You can ship them back to where they came from.
00:34:11.820And they're holding their hat on the torture because that's an infamous prison where they have been put, but not on the fact that they're in a jail to begin with.
00:34:21.340So that is something I must—I guess you must have found some sort of ambiguity in the law that would allow the administration to deport people into prisons.
00:34:29.800But, you know, this is a notorious prison.
00:34:31.580And I didn't like—I don't know what you guys thought, but I didn't really love the image of Chrissy Noem standing in front with her Rolex watch in front of those—
00:34:39.720I just—it gave me North Korea vibes.
00:34:42.320I didn't like that the United States was putting out a propaganda video like that.
00:34:44.760I did not like it, and I did a big bit on it.
00:42:33.560Not only have I called for Judge Boesberg's impeachment, this is the only time I have ever publicly advocated that you ignore an order of a course, because not only is this so, so illegal, what this judge did by trying to interfere and sabotage and undermine the president during a military operation.
00:43:09.280I don't think that the law clerks that Judge Boesberg hires are Green Berets.
00:43:14.140They can't turn around planes and they're not going to be able to enforce this order.
00:43:17.600So if he holds if Judge Boesberg holds Trump officials in contempt, I think that the president, if it's criminal contempt, the president should pardon immediately.
00:43:27.000And if it's civil contempt, I would say to Boesberg, piss off, go enforce your own order.
00:43:31.720That's the danger here, Dave, is the Supreme Court, John Roberts in particular, very conscious of the fact that there's no police power by the high court.
00:43:40.980And on a question as tenuous as this, right, like, as I said before, Trump at his apex and the courts at their lowest.
00:43:49.560Do we think John Roberts would take the risk of saying.
00:43:53.740Yeah, you you have to stop deporting under the Alien Enemies Act.
00:43:58.800And, yeah, I can I affirm the contempt holding that Judge Boesberg is likely about to hand down.
00:44:05.500I mean, it's it's very, very thin ice.
00:44:08.760I think, Megan, that this Supreme Court is going to uphold Judge Boesberg.
00:44:13.960I think they're tipping their hand by their inaction so far.
00:44:16.760They could have acted and reversed that injunction already.
00:44:20.320I do think the interpretation that this administration is making on the Alien Enemies Act is overbroad.
00:44:25.700But we'll see what the Supreme Court says.
00:44:27.480And as far as that's very interesting what you just said, the tipping of the hand.
00:44:32.760And as far as the contempt, I actually agree with Mike on that.
00:44:35.360I don't think Judge Boesberg wants to go down that road because if he does issue contempt against administration officials, it's up to the marshal's office to enforce it.
00:44:45.860And the marshal's office is under the executive branch.
00:44:48.820Now, there is something obscure in the law that says that if the marshal's office doesn't want to do it, you can actually go to like local sheriffs.
00:45:44.840And so the Trump administration is admitting, is conceding, at least in the Boesberg case, that there is an individual habeas right for people to challenge being labeled Trenda Aragua under the Alien Enemies Act.
00:46:02.580Because what's happening is we're shipping them off to this El Salvadorian prison, which is not great.
00:46:07.580I mean, even our own State Department and others talk about what happens in these El Salvadorian prisons, and it's very unattractive.
00:46:13.440I mean, they're housed like animals, like in like a pigsty with like 100 people in a cell and no mattresses.
00:46:20.020And the cleanliness has got questions, at least reportedly.
00:46:24.440OK, so how does it happen and who offers them a hearing?
00:46:29.700And like, you know, a lot of ink has been spilled this week on this Kilmar Abrego Garcia, this guy who was found by a lower judge and then a higher appellate court in the immigration system to have ties to MS-13.
00:46:41.020But the media would just tell you he's a father.
00:46:43.140He's a father of a little boy and he's married to an American citizen.
00:46:46.120He got pulled out of obscurity and sent to this prison.
00:46:49.660It's a lot more complicated than that.
00:46:51.120But if this guy wants to have a hearing on whether he's really Trenda Aragua, how does it happen?
00:46:57.180I mean, he could file a habeas petition in Texas where the planes took off.
00:47:02.860Maybe we can come up with a good solution.
00:47:04.640Maybe we can send Judge Boesberg and his law clerks down to that El Salvadorian prison and he could be the prison lawyer and he can handle all these.
00:47:22.360Clearly, you're looking for executive authority.
00:47:24.700You know, but we do, I think, I think there needs to be some established procedure.
00:47:28.980And again, under the 1813 Supreme Court interpretation of all of this, they it's OK if they don't give him a hearing before they deport him under Alien Enemies Act.
00:47:41.060But at some point, if these individuals are saying they're not Trenda Aragua, we're going to have to hear those claims in some way, shape or form.
00:47:47.840And, Dave, the other question is what they're supposed to be paid.
00:47:51.600We paid them six million bucks to house these prisoners for a year.
00:48:15.560But right. But let's just hope that they get it right, because any person who's wrongfully detained there really is a tragedy, because that is a terrible facility.
00:48:23.720And you would hate for innocent people to be sent there.
00:48:26.900And hopefully there will be some due process where they will have hearings.
00:48:29.880But like I said earlier, it were an uncharted territory here.
00:48:32.900And and so I might guess as good as mine as to what the next step would be.
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00:52:20.520And let me make sure that I have the proper attribution so that I protect the innocent, the good reporters who are actually bringing this stuff out.
00:52:35.580So this is the Whipple book that we talked about the other day.
00:52:44.020This Whipple book is, let's see, Chris Whipple, and it's called Unchartered, How Trump Beat Biden, Harris, and the Odds in the Wildest Campaign in History.
00:52:56.920Tara Palmieri, who's got her own substack and podcast now, she's been on the show.
00:53:01.620So she got a copy and released a couple of the nuggets, and so did The Guardian.
00:53:06.800But hers was a really interesting nugget.
00:53:09.860And she's apparently in this book, they reveal that George Clooney saw Morning Joe one day right after his op-ed, and Mika Brzezinski was suggesting that Barack Obama was behind the George Clooney op-ed.
00:53:27.080That was basically making Clooney seem like Obama's puppet.