Trump signals that he s not happy with either party, Iran or Israel. Megyn kelly talks about it and why it s a good thing Iran isn t happy with the deal President Trump reached with Israel and Iran on a ceasefire.
00:00:45.220The news on Iran and Israel and President Trump's involvement in brokering a ceasefire deal has been quickly developing.
00:00:52.580I mean, like, don't leave your phone if you want to stay up on the latest because it changes every 60 seconds, it seems.
00:01:00.040President Trump announced last night on Truth Social that Israel and Iran agreed on a, quote, complete and total ceasefire that would take effect in six hours.
00:01:09.960But shortly after that was set to take effect, Iran launched a wave of missiles at Israel, reportedly killing at least four.
00:01:17.140OK, so it hadn't yet kicked in, but it was about to kick in and Iran decided to do it to do a bunch of killing before it officially kicked in.
00:01:25.880Israel responded by targeting the sites from which those bombs had been launched.
00:01:30.700They've got four dead in Israel, 26 wounded as a result of those pre-ceasefire, you know, for good, good old time's sake, bombings by Iran again, WTF.
00:01:42.400So Israel responded before the ceasefire.
00:01:46.140And then there was a couple of collateral incident.
00:01:51.000There were a couple of collateral incidents right after the ceasefire kicked in where.
00:01:57.680Iran, question mark, launched two separate missile barrages at Israel, none of which hurt anybody and both of which appear to have been stopped by Iron Dome or in some other way by Israel.
00:02:09.780And. And that's Trump is unhappy, he's unhappy because Israel responded to those two bombing those sites and the ceasefire.
00:02:21.440Look, in the Middle East ceasefire, it's basically it's paused and there might be a few, you know, extra bombings we have to wait to find out.
00:02:33.960But like you could still be in a ceasefire, but they just love bombing so much.
00:02:37.400I mean, truly, they just bomb, bomb, bomb. This is like what it's like.
00:02:41.140I mean, it's so so many of my friends, my Israeli friends or my Jewish friends are like, hey, do you want to go to Israel?
00:02:47.780We'd love to take you. I don't know. I do not want to go to Israel. Thanks.
00:02:50.880But no. Why would I want to go to Israel right now?
00:02:53.980I'm sorry. I love the Israeli people, but I have zero desire to go to Israel, just like I have zero desire to go to the Iranian nuclear sites.
00:03:01.960Right. I don't want to go places where people are getting bombed.
00:03:04.620And what I do at night is pray. I pray for my friends in Israel.
00:03:08.100I have dear friends who have family there. But like this is no way to live.
00:03:14.360And Israel's been trying to stop it for many, many years. They can't stop it.
00:03:18.400There's many nations around them and factions that want them dead and wiped off the face of the earth.
00:03:23.320And it's going to be really hard to talk Iran out of it. The best we can do is get them to at least on paper, maybe say that they'll stop, which Trump has achieved.
00:03:34.620But, you know, there's obviously a question as to is it worth the paper it's printed on?
00:03:39.000President Trump signaling he's not happy with Israel and he's not happy with Iran.
00:03:44.740I have to say what you're going about to hear. You'll hear it here. And then we have a longer soundbite in a minute with him taking aim at Israel, too, is very unusual for U.S. president.
00:03:52.300But it's good. It's good for Trump because he understands in order for this deal to have support, he needs he needs Middle Easterners to be behind it.
00:03:59.940He needs some of our Middle East allies to be behind it. And it can't always be just a knee jerk, reflexive.
00:04:05.620We're with Israel. We're with Israel. We're with Israel. And they can do no wrong.
00:04:09.000That's what Trump is trying to signal here. So he's not happy with either party.
00:04:14.740And here he was on the White House lawn this morning, just about to take off for a NATO meeting.
00:04:23.380We have we basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't.
00:04:29.940know what the fuck they're doing. Do you understand that?
00:04:38.060I mean, those are terms you might hear on the Megyn Kelly show, but it's very rare to rare to hear the president drop an F-bomb.
00:04:45.300Very rarely he'll do it like in one of his comedy bits at one of his rallies.
00:04:50.080But I don't remember him doing it when, you know, commenting on a serious policy matter before.
00:04:55.820And he knows what he's doing. I mean, he's expressing his frustration at the way things go in the Middle East and the way these players respond.
00:05:05.840And he also really wants the ceasefire.
00:05:10.460You know, it's kind of like Trump thinks this deal is done and that should be it.
00:05:14.240You know, he should hang the deal toy off the ceiling at the 21 Club and have a steak.
00:06:28.580Quote, we will not Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon, period.
00:06:32.140Biden in a vice presidential debate 2012.
00:06:35.740Quote, the goal for these negotiations is to reach a mutually agreed long term comprehensive solution that would ensure Iran's nuclear program will be exclusively peaceful.
00:07:56.400I think it's still a major win that the conflict that was starting between us and Iran appears to be off for now.
00:08:07.160They launched those attacks on our bases in Qatar and one in our base on our base in Iraq yesterday when we were on the air together and then they stopped.
00:08:19.560Trump later in his true social laid it out saying thanks for the heads up so that nobody got killed.
00:08:24.260We understand you sent 14 bombs, 13 of which we intercepted and one of which we allowed to land because it wasn't going to hit anything or anyone.
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00:11:35.980Trump dropping the F-bomb at these two out of frustration.
00:11:38.980You know, I what do you just let's just kick it off with what you make of my take on it, which is like we should just be happy.
00:11:45.520They're no longer launching bombs at us and that the retaliation for our drum bomb dropping appears to be done and that they're back to sort of launching these mini bombs at each other or not.
00:11:55.980And maybe pausing and maybe not unclear.
00:12:04.160I mean, the response from the Iranians, there's two things about this.
00:12:09.780One is that they telegraphed it to everybody.
00:12:13.820They sent out, like, this is what we're going to do.
00:12:16.160And by this is what it's going to happen.
00:12:17.740This is how many missiles because they don't really want to provoke us.
00:12:21.080But they want to symbolically say we're going to attack one of your bases in Qatar.
00:12:25.680The Qataris are, of course, not an ally, but as close as you can be to an ally with Iran in the region.
00:12:33.800And the Qataris, by the way, responded by shooting them all out of the sky and saying, well, we leave open the possibility to respond to this, which was pretty remarkable.
00:12:43.560So what they did was what they could do, which was not much.
00:12:49.220As you pointed out, Megan, down the road, we'll see what happens.
00:12:51.900The Iranians have been hitting Americans and American citizens and American military targets since 1979 from, you know, taking hostages the second they took over in the American embassy in Tehran in 79.
00:13:05.600So they have a long history of doing this.
00:13:07.580But right now they are absolutely defanged.
00:13:09.960And when you have somebody like Brett McGurk, who was the Biden White House's coordinator for the Middle East or something, saying that this is the best possible place that we could be in and congratulating President Trump for managing this crisis.
00:13:49.300But I think that you're right in the thing that people don't understand.
00:13:52.640You have to keep so many people in the Middle East on board.
00:13:55.040Everyone is pointing out that so many of these countries in the Middle East, like the Saudis, like the Qataris, and like the Jordanians, are quietly saying, go Trump, but not doing it publicly because they have a, you know, restive population that are not huge fans of the Israelis.
00:14:09.760That that moment when he's like, these guys, they don't the fuck they're doing, which is like, I don't know exactly what he's saying.
00:14:15.700But when he's telegraphing to those people that, look, we're going to criticize Israel, too.
00:14:31.180But as you pointed out, Megan, that was a response to the Iranians breaking a ceasefire that, first of all, everyone said that they didn't really agree to and then said that they did.
00:14:39.300But yeah, I think that that was definitely a wise decision because of the way Trump presents so many things.
00:14:45.740We just tend to think that he's flying, you know, the seat of his pants and just, you know, you know, kind of ad libbing.
00:14:52.580I think that that stuff is is very well calibrated to say, let's throw a little dart at the Israelis.
00:14:58.640Make sure that everyone understands where we are here.
00:15:01.040We're not doing this on behalf of Israel, but on behalf of us and for you guys, too, in the Middle East who actually don't love the Iranians.
00:15:06.700My fingers are crossed that all of this is true and good and we're in a good place and the bad things didn't happen.
00:15:16.180But I would really caution everybody not to get too optimistic about this because we have been similarly in moments of temporary euphoria about the exercise of American power in the Middle East.
00:15:27.740And then things didn't go out so well in August of 2011.
00:15:32.260A lot of Democrats over the opposition of Republicans were crowing that they got rid of the Gaddafi regime in Libya.
00:15:39.820And wasn't that the use of American power at its best?
00:15:43.500In Hillary Clinton's words, we were a bit triumphant in March of 1991.
00:15:49.780People's heads snapped and wasn't it great?
00:15:52.580And then that led to a thing that we should think about now, which is for the rest of the 90s, more or less, the U.S. created no-fly zones over Iraq.
00:16:01.900So it was just sort of this low-level kind of war.
00:16:06.460What is Israel going to do in Iran right now?
00:16:08.860Israel controls the airspace of Iran and doesn't want them to get a nuclear weapon and doesn't want them to develop missile technology.
00:16:15.080Are they going to patrol that with the U.S. help over the next stretch?
00:16:19.160We don't know because you don't know what is going to happen next, either in the Middle East or after a big war.
00:16:25.420There's a lot of things to be concerned about going forward.
00:16:27.920I'm less convinced, as you are and Michael are, that the use of U.S. power in this case was the correct one.
00:16:35.200I think that we should be more skeptical in general about the use of U.S. force against people who haven't attacked us this week or any time recently.
00:16:45.320Because we have the biggest, most powerful military in the world, and when you are using it against sovereign, crappy countries that are nonetheless sovereign, you open up a lot of potential downstream effects that you can't predict for now, but that could be negative.
00:17:01.320So my fingers are crossed, and you can see the window into how this would work.
00:17:06.060Everyone seems to be kind of de-escalating right now.
00:17:09.300It's possible that the mullahs are so terrified that they are willing to make some kind of deal to protect their survival.
00:17:15.640They don't have allies, really, and that's part of it.
00:17:21.600And Israel, you're a little bit pessimistic, Megan, about the state of Israel or its ability.
00:17:27.700Israel has absolutely, not absolutely, but has very impressively defanged the ring of fire, and I know that's a mixed metaphor, around it that Iran has created through proxies over time.
00:17:39.520It's been kind of an amazing tactical success on their part.
00:17:43.340So fingers can be crossed on this, but I'm not optimistic.
00:17:46.500I'm not skeptical about Israel's ability to fight, not even a little.
00:17:50.860I'm skeptical about the prospects of a lasting ceasefire in the Middle East, that Israel will stand down, that Iran will stand down, that one of Iran's proxies will remain down.
00:18:03.520Like, someone's going to keep launching bombs into Israel, and Israel always responds.
00:18:26.920It's nonstop violence in the Middle East.
00:18:29.280This is why I don't really want to go to Israel.
00:18:31.340This is why I think a lot of people don't want to go to Israel.
00:18:34.020And it's why, like, I think a lot of us who have been paying attention to the Middle East for a long time feel exactly how President Trump felt this morning.
00:18:59.120Hezbollah is a completely Iranian-created subsidiary.
00:19:02.500And they're like, ah, we're going to sit this one out.
00:19:03.700So that's a sign that they have actually made progress in having fewer missiles go at them, even though they had missiles kill people yesterday.
00:19:12.320I mean, progress in this part of the world is awkward and incremental at best.
00:19:17.900But there has been meaningful progress.
00:19:19.700And I'm a little bit surprised here because I think I might be not the least skeptical person about whether or not the Trump administration made the right decision.
00:19:28.700It seems like they made a pretty pragmatic calculation that at this particular time, given the pressure Iran was under, given the fact that they didn't have anyone who was likely to come to their defense here, that the Americans could sneak in and carry out a pretty devastating attack on these nuclear facilities that have long been a concern.
00:19:47.380And it is not yet clear how much, how effective those bombings were.
00:19:52.060And we'll learn more about that in the days and weeks to come, we hope.
00:19:54.780But what is pretty clear is that there was a concerted effort on the part of the administration to broadcast to Iran this could be it and that that message was well received by the Iranians.
00:20:08.600And even the kind of calibrated use of profanity this morning, because it did seem like a pretty deliberate choice on the president's part, the fact that he's directing some of the criticism at Israel as well.
00:20:18.940I mean, they seem to be navigating this very difficult situation pretty well.
00:20:25.740All of that said, I will say that once it gets to the point where you're lobbing bombs at people as opposed to using the tools of diplomacy, this is, I suppose, by definition, something of a failure if someone hasn't lobbed a bomb at you already.
00:20:39.180But they do seem to be making some progress here, and one has to hope for a good outcome.
00:20:46.200And again, a really difficult, protracted situation that we suspect this is probably an interregnum as opposed to a durable, lasting peace.
00:20:54.740But it could be a really useful interregnum.
00:20:57.520And it could very well be the sort of thing that creates substantial problems for the Iranian machine.
00:21:03.220And it's one of those things where it's like, it's not our job to create peace in the Middle East.
00:21:09.680And it is our job to protect American interests and the American people.
00:21:14.900And I think Trump, consistent with all those other presidents, as I just went through, citing the Continetti piece, and we did some of this yesterday, too, on the show, believes truly that Iran cannot get a nuclear weapon.
00:21:28.540They're too, they're a little too keen on killing the Western infidels.
00:21:31.700In order to trust that, so given how weak they've been, they are right now, Trump's opportunity, and he took it, and was also given intel, yes, by the Israelis, that's got an asterisk on it, as always, but also by the IAEA's assessment that they'd reached 60% uranium enrichment, and that there had been an acceleration in the number of centrifuges over the past seven, eight months.
00:21:53.860So he did have data in front of him, and who knows what else?
00:21:56.620We don't get to see what President Trump gets to see in terms of intel.
00:22:00.540So I trust him that he thought that it was a valid intelligence assessment, that they were speeding up toward the nuclear bomb, and it makes sense to me, too, given how weakened they were.
00:22:13.260I mean, when you corner an animal, it lashes out.
00:22:15.580It doesn't usually just fold and ask for peace.
00:22:18.980It will tend to bite you from that corner, and so it makes sense to me.
00:22:23.200In any event, but the larger question of peace in the Middle East, I mean, like, okay, how many presidents have tried that?
00:22:30.900Some have gotten Nobel Peace Prizes only for the whole region to wind up under missile fire again.
00:23:56.140If you defeat Grenada in 1983, spike the ball.
00:23:59.900If you're spiking any break in the Middle East, no spiking.
00:24:03.040But the difference is this, is that in 2003, 2003, leading up to the Iraq war, you couldn't find a lot of Republicans who disagreed with the Bush administration's desire to go into Iraq and dislodge Saddam Hussein.
00:24:18.280Trump, you know, is doing something that is actively going to fracture part of his coalition or runs the risk of fracturing his coalition.
00:24:26.760And he did it anyway, which is pretty interesting and pretty impressive.
00:24:32.020And, you know, look, there's a couple of political points here.
00:24:35.540I mean, he put on Truth Social something about some congressman who had nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize.
00:24:41.780It just, and by the way, to get nominated, you just need somebody from a legislature anywhere in the world can nominate.
00:24:47.480Right. So he, I think that's how he sees this.
00:24:49.900And that's perfectly fine to see it that way.
00:24:52.320Because what happened in 1995, Congress passed a bit of legislation.
00:24:58.040What was the, I think it was the Jerusalem Embassy Act.
00:25:01.100And what was it, 23 years later after, as you said, Megan, according to the great Matt Continetti, who's a friend and I think he's brilliant,
00:25:07.500is that everyone said they were going to do it.
00:26:22.420But as you point out, this is the most important point for everyone to realize is that what Israel tries to do is to push back the capabilities of people trying to destroy them.
00:26:35.720The people of Hezbollah, the leadership has been destroyed.
00:26:38.780The IRGC leadership in Tehran has been destroyed.
00:26:47.340It has not changed the idea of the people that followed Assad, the people that signed up for Hezbollah, the people that are allies of the regime in Iran, that Israel must be destroyed.
00:26:56.740That is something that you cannot necessarily bomb into submission.
00:27:00.620So when people say, like Trump said the other day, what's the problem with regime change?
00:27:07.480I oppose us getting involved in that and trying to dictate things.
00:27:11.640But if it precipitates the failure of the disgusting, horrible, murderous regime in Tehran that has been oppressing its own people since 1979, great.
00:27:23.480But I don't want to be involved in that.
00:27:25.220I mean, Trump, as you guys know, we've discussed, Trump actually proposed Gaziera, Mara Gaza.
00:27:31.680You know, Trump looks his region like anything's possible.
00:27:56.560I mean, I bought a timeshare in con units because I was like, this is going to be amazing, but probably a bad investment.
00:28:02.620I think there's one problem or at least one caveat we should think about in terms of the Matt Continenti perplex, which is you could you could make the exact same clip job of statements by U.S.
00:28:15.740presidents, every single one saying that about North Korea.
00:28:19.300And we didn't press the do something button.
00:28:22.000We have the mother of all do something buttons, which is the U.S.
00:29:02.440But do you really mean by that that if the other actor doesn't abide by those words that we're going to press this incredibly lethal, destabilizing, do something button against a sovereign country?
00:29:16.340I recognize that diplomacy and especially diplomacy between people who are antagonists is absolutely frustrating, messy, ineffectual and bad.
00:29:28.820That's kind of the point of it is that people who disagree with each other are trying to come up with some kind of way to coexist without shooting each other.
00:29:35.880But it is kind of a failure of diplomacy when you end up in a war situation.
00:30:52.240And then you have all these Iranian proxies that are now gone or their heads have been chopped off.
00:30:58.500And at this point, there's some intel saying Iran is now accelerating its bomb because I think because it's like a cornered animal and it's starting to panic.
00:31:08.900And I actually believe the reports that it was ramping up.
00:31:11.680And I said yesterday, Bibi is not really he has no credibility for me.
00:31:16.420I mean, I just I've watched him every year say there's six weeks away.
00:31:20.320I was on the air when he held up his little picture of the bomb that you'd see, like in a Disney cartoon, as like the round bomb with the little fuse at the top, trying to show us that they were about to have it within months.
00:31:56.420I'm just simply saying that that it was more complicated than this because Israel had created conditions in fighting back that made this an ideal time to take to achieve the goal that all these other presidents agreed we needed to do.
00:32:10.740Yeah, well, first off, I want to make sure that no matter how much you hate Benjamin Netanyahu, please don't compare anyone to Greta Thunberg, because that's just like a slap in the face.
00:32:21.760I mean, like, I don't know why he's I mean, he's going to give a speech to the Knesset that Megan Kelly in America compared me to Greta Thunberg.
00:32:29.320Yeah, a couple of things like, you know, to slightly disagree with my co-host here, Matt.
00:32:36.220I mean, the thing about about the North Korea comparison.
00:32:39.780And I get the idea that, you know, there's different times for this when you say no one's done anything in the way that that that Matt Continetti wrote.
00:32:48.280But if there is a moment in which the South Koreans were in an active war with the North Koreans and the North Koreans had lost all of its allies, couldn't do anything, was totally defanged.
00:32:58.820And at the same time, you could actually liberate the people of North Korea who have been living under the most oppressive regime on Earth at the last kind of Stalinist dictatorship.
00:33:10.320Right. I mean, the fact that Brett McGurk is saying this and some other people, Mark Rutte, the secretary general of NATO, who's sending Donald Trump a signal message, which Trump then posts on True Social this morning, which might be the most hilarious thing he's ever done.
00:33:25.940It was like this sycophantic message, like, we love you, President Trump.
00:33:30.020But the reason they're saying this is that is that this is a moment to do it.
00:33:33.540I mean, can you imagine this this horrible regime that we've all been so afraid of and rightfully so, too, can't even control its own skies, hasn't thrown up a single plane against not the B2s, but any, you know, American made Israeli plane.
00:33:51.340And it's the time in which you do something like this or consider something like this, especially if the intelligence is saying, as I tend to believe, I don't have all the evidence of this.
00:34:30.600They have been doing this for so long, intimidating, attacking.
00:34:34.700Look, you can think that America shouldn't have been involved in the war in Iraq.
00:34:39.040I, unfortunately, and I criticize myself for this, took too long to get to that conclusion.
00:34:43.920But I did, and it was a bad thought that I had, but I was much younger.
00:34:48.160But regardless of whether or not we should have been there, we do understand that the Iranians killed 600, 650 Americans.
00:34:55.320That's the kind of estimate through Iranian proxies that they were funding and arming, roadside bombs that were built by the IRGC, IRGC people on the ground in Iraq, Soleimani also killed by Trump.
00:36:25.240I served on the National Security Council under President Clinton.
00:36:29.320I was Joe Biden's deputy staff director of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
00:36:33.680I voted for Kamala Harris and I've been a vocal critic of many dangerous and undemocratic actions taken by President Trump.
00:36:39.140But I'm not a blind tribalist and imperfectly comfortable praising President Trump for bold and courageous actions in support of America's core national interests as he took Saturday night.
00:36:49.240Iran has been at war with the United States for 46 years.
00:36:51.340Its regime has murdered thousands of American citizens.
00:36:54.040Its slogan, Death to America, was not window dressing, but core ideology.
00:36:57.340It was racing towards a nuke with every intention of using it to threaten America.
00:37:01.080Our allies are the Middle East region as a whole.
00:37:26.520And, you know, if I were trying to paint an alternative scenario here where the Trump maybe achieves the same ends without necessarily having to carry out the military strike,
00:37:38.220it would have involved him going to Congress very formally and loudly and dramatically and theatrically seeking authorization to use force and broadcasting to Iran very clearly.
00:37:48.960If we don't get a deal, a deal where we get to come in, thoroughly inspect these sites with our personnel, then a strike is coming.
00:38:03.800Literally, I think that there's a possibility, at least, that you could have achieved a very similar outcome.
00:38:09.320In fact, what would have been better is that you wouldn't have had to have the expense of the bombing,
00:38:13.020but you'd also have the knowledge of exactly what was in that facility and who was in the facility and be able to go in there and dismantle things in a very direct way.
00:38:24.480I mean, it's at least a possibility, but that is definitely different.
00:38:29.020And it's more complicated and it requires a lot of strategery that they might not have been able to pull off.
00:38:35.820But at the same time, I do think that at least getting Congress involved in the decision is something that is worth flagging them for.
00:38:42.240But the outcome does seem quite good overall.
00:38:45.440Congress doesn't help with anything ever.
00:39:10.160I defended the torture when it was happening, too.
00:39:11.940We thought we were going to get attacked every every next week.
00:39:14.340We wanted to do anything necessary to protect ourselves and our children.
00:39:17.020It's like, fine, judge it now all these years later.
00:39:19.260But OK, anyway, John, you has got a great piece up today about the founding fathers and about Alexander Hamilton and about why they created the structure they did with an emboldened executive who could make split second decisions, who could make in the moment decisions on how to protect the homeland and how Congress, of course, is a much more deliberative body.
00:40:02.760The Hamilton and Madison agreed on nothing.
00:40:06.020They didn't agree on what color the sky was, but they both agreed that the power to declare war should rest in the Congress because they didn't want to declare war.
00:45:24.440Later, later the ceasefire is four hours old and the IDF says two Iranian missiles flew into the north of Israel, but that they were intercepted with no injuries.
00:45:37.680Iran is denying that they were the ones who launched those missiles.
00:45:40.400But Israeli intel is usually pretty good on who's firing the rockets at them.
00:45:44.760So I think when Trump's, when Trump says they, they, they, and they dropped a bunch of bombs, I think he's talking, I don't know what he's talking about, to be honest.
00:45:53.780Because what then happened was Israel was flying a bunch of planes, according to the Trump tweets, uh, in retaliation.
00:46:03.260I think they were about to drop bombs and Trump sent out a bunch of tweets saying, you better not do that.
00:46:54.380Look, to what we were saying before, there's obviously some serious telegraphing going on here.
00:46:59.220God knows what was said in that call between Trump and Netanyahu.
00:47:04.180I mean, we all know the relationship that Obama and Netanyahu had, which was incredibly bad, particularly when Netanyahu came and addressed Congress.
00:47:17.020But the relationship that the two of these guys have, we're going to wait for the reporting and for the historians in a couple of years on this because it seems, you know, not the easiest one.
00:47:27.160It seems contentious because Trump is a huge personality and knows what he wants and usually gets it, and particularly in foreign affairs.
00:47:35.720And so you see these people out there that drive me absolutely bananas and say, oh, look, America's B2s are in the air.
00:47:42.360Israel controls American foreign policy.
00:47:44.720Israel does not control American foreign policy.
00:47:46.900And this is, you know, I think not proof of that in Trump saying go turn around.
00:47:51.660If that happened, I imagine it's very likely that it did.
00:47:55.880I do, though, very much disagree with the idea that, well, Iran did this, but Israel shouldn't have responded.
00:48:03.280What the Israelis do is when they launch those missiles and, you know, four people killed in Beersheba and, you know, buildings destroyed and lots of people grievously injured, too,
00:48:13.440is that they respond because they can very quickly target where those are coming from, and then they blow up those missile launchers, which I think is a completely fair thing to do.
00:48:24.660So I think that what's happening here is Trump is rounding on the Israelis when it seems to me and to any, you know, observer, as you said, Fox.
00:48:32.860I read both the Fox and the New York Times account, Wall Street Journal on the account of this, too, which seems like you're telling of this from multiple sources seems to be what happened.
00:48:40.860But I think he's being not very charitable to the Israelis, but I suspect there's something else going on here that we don't know about,
00:48:46.920that he's trying to, you know, put Netanyahu in a very particular position.
00:49:06.100So there might be some sort of difficulty about what this entails.
00:49:09.920And this is him firing a warning shot at the Israelis, because when it comes to how they responded, I don't think they responded in an unreasonable way at all.
00:49:20.120When he says they came out, Israel, as soon as we made the deal, they came out and they dropped a load of bombs, the likes of which I've never seen before.
00:49:30.060I don't know what he's talking about, because what Israel did is they responded to the to the one that had been launched in Beersheba and in the way that we just discussed.
00:49:41.360And then they were about to respond to the possibly errant being very charitable to missiles that had been intercepted post ceasefire.
00:49:51.680But then Trump said they didn't actually do it.
00:49:54.000He got the planes to turn around after his conversation with Bibi.
00:49:56.920So, I mean, I don't exactly know what Trump is referring to there, but I'll say this.
00:50:00.960I have 28 seconds till the break last night.
00:50:03.460You know, we do a.m. update the morning podcast that we drop, which is news headlines for the audience.
00:50:09.100And we I mean, we went back and forth hour after hour.
00:50:12.480We met again to update a.m. update because it was like the Iranians agree there's a ceasefire.
00:50:17.560The Iranians just told CNN there is no ceasefire.
00:50:20.320Oh, wait, no, they say there is a ceasefire.
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00:51:46.040So, guys, Emily Jashinsky launched her MK Media show last night after party with Emily, which has like a fun bonus of sounding kind of naughty, but it's totally above board.
00:52:07.120And her inaugural guest was Tucker Carlson.
00:52:11.140And it's a great time to get Tucker Carlson.
00:52:13.460Of course, he's in the news every day because he's in the interesting position of being one of Trump's main supporters and yet very, very critical of really all war.
00:52:24.160But this one, yes, including and had tried to talk Trump out of it to the point where Trump, when I was on vacation last week, referred to him as kooky Tucker Carlson and then made a shot of like, well, if he's going to credit something like.
00:52:38.500What does he have to say? He should he should go buy a television network so somebody would listen to him, maybe somebody would listen to him, something like very cutting.
00:53:26.080Anyway, he went on with Emily and they had a couple of interesting discussions.
00:53:31.540Let me give you the overall in which he responded to some of the attacks he's been facing from guys like he had an extraordinary interview with Ted Cruz, which I highly recommend you listen to.
00:53:40.460Very entertaining on a number of levels.
00:53:42.020And he's been fighting with Mark Levin of Fox News.
00:54:08.020I repeated their talking, but not doing that again.
00:54:09.760And we came really close to doing that again because of Mark Levin and Laura Loomer and the rest of these morons who've never even left New Jersey.
00:54:17.060Like they don't know anything about the world.
00:54:26.740And I'm not making an argument for expertise or having been there, but I am making an argument for being responsible when you demand that the U.S. military do certain things.
00:54:37.800Because we were just in a crisis for a week, we saw who people are.
00:54:47.120He's obviously a totally hollow person taking instructions, but I do think we learned this is not someone who should be influencing wars because he just doesn't know anything.
00:56:31.760No, Moynihan will tell the story about Steve Bannon that I think is interesting.
00:56:35.260I think the bottom line is that Trump is correct when he says, at least as a matter of politics, that MAGA is whatever he says it is.
00:56:42.800It's not whatever Tucker Carlson says.
00:56:44.500I'm actually heartened that some people, like Tucker, even though I disagree with him about many, many things, I enjoyed his Ted Cruz interview.
00:57:27.000I think it's it's to Tucker's credit that he didn't abandon what appears to be a sincerely held belief of his just because his friend got elected.
00:57:34.600He voted for him and wanted it and disagrees with him on this.
00:57:36.720Like, it would be worse if he just suddenly said, OK, all that stuff I was saying, forget about it.
00:57:43.140Like, that would be that would be a lot of this week as well.
00:58:10.260Yeah, I think that's I think that's right.
00:58:11.900I think that J.D. Vance probably is much closer to Tucker than he's letting on.
00:58:16.520I think that also those people in the MAGA universe as commentators and people who make a good deal of money off of it.
00:58:24.100A lot of them, no naming any names, have softened their very isolationist rhetoric when Trump did this and said, well, I guess he must be right.
00:58:34.340I think a lot of it's about about audience capture, but I will agree with Matt and I disagree with Tucker on a lot of things, almost everything these days.
00:58:43.900But I do appreciate the fact that he doesn't back down and say, well, you know, MAGA is MAGA and he's the one, as he said, who decides MAGA.
00:58:51.480So I'm going to I'm going to carry water for whatever he does.
00:59:17.280But like and also like Matt, I think that it was a good interview because when Tucker's the problem with Tucker's show has been it's been so many people since he left Fox.
00:59:31.700It's just been kind of an echo chamber of this is what I think MAGA should be.
00:59:35.060This is kind of my version of the MAGA ideology and it's a bit of an echo chamber.
00:59:39.120So to see him in that combative role, I don't want to ever agree with Ted Cruz.
00:59:45.640But also, I think that it was actually people had that interview a bit wrong because the clip that was played and they put it out before where Ted Cruz didn't know the exact or he didn't he didn't offer any population number.
00:59:58.240I think you, by the way, you can say that Iran shouldn't have a nuclear bomb and think they have 50 million people rather than 92 million people.
01:00:04.180I don't think it's the real knockout punch that people thought it was.
01:00:07.440But the entire interview is actually quite good.
01:00:09.600I mean, they they they gave it as good to each other.
01:00:12.380It was very hostile in certain places.
01:00:44.680But the thing about it, I think, is also this fracturing of the MAGA movement is if you look at Donald Trump's true social feed in the past 24 hours, you would you would see somebody who most of people, these people, including Tucker, would probably call a neocon.
01:00:59.420I mean, oh, my God, Moynihan, did you see what just just my producers just sent this to me, including Jeb Bush?
01:01:34.800If some of you out there listening in Megyn Kelly land or getting your political education, I don't remember 2016.
01:01:41.980Go watch those exchanges between Donald Trump and Jeb Bush, where he is absolutely hammering him, particularly on the Iraq war and his brother.
01:01:49.900But this is the interesting thing about Trump.
01:02:04.480I mean, one of his great qualities is that he doesn't hold these endless grudges, which I think is pretty, pretty fascinating.
01:02:10.980But he also tweeted this guy, this young American Jewish Instagram stars, like a pro-Israel guy, like humiliating this woman in a keffiyeh at like a pro-Palestine protest.
01:02:24.140That's something that you would be like, you know, I know, Megyn, you listen to, skeptically listen to and like the guys at the commentary podcast.
01:02:31.180That's something that those guys would retweet.
01:02:33.420And I saw that on Trump's Truth Social today.
01:02:36.320There's a lot of stuff there that if you took that from all the people who have been trying to direct MAGA, like this, I think, and one final thing, not to go on too long, but there's two types of this.
01:02:46.300There's people who believe this is what MAGA is, and there are people who are trying to direct MAGA.
01:02:51.440I think that's what Trump, that's what Tucker does.
01:02:53.840But there's a lot of people that say like, oh, he never, you know, no foreign wars.
01:36:13.200And this guy, Mamdani, is exactly the opposite of what we need, who has a very good shot of taking over as the mayor of our our biggest and one of our best cities.
01:36:49.320All you have to look at is focus in on the MTA, which is the transit authority that runs the buses and the subways and the trains, and then go to a place that has insanely high taxation, like Sweden, and ride those subways and trains and be like, wow, this is amazing.
01:37:05.360You do not get that feeling flying into Arlanda Airport in Stockholm that you got, Megan, flying into JFK.
01:37:10.920It's like we are we have these like strangleholds of the MTA union.
01:37:15.380And, you know, you look at these people, there's a story the New York Times did like five or six years ago, maybe even longer, that was really good reporting about the insanely inflated salaries of everybody who works for the MTA.
01:37:27.460I mean, they're like a couple hundred thousand dollar salaries for just like these these not very impressive jobs.
01:38:02.680My recommendation to anyone, if you want an easy comp, is first look at a chart of the average level of taxation or government expenditure in Florida and in New York State.
01:38:13.580Don't even like use New York City, although they have the extra income tax.
01:38:33.780You can take high-speed train in Florida, believe it or not.
01:38:36.900And in New York, soon, especially when you cross into the border of New York City, your tires are going to be shredded after driving for like 30 minutes.
01:38:45.620They haven't fixed any road as far as I can tell.
01:38:48.180They've just done construction forever, but they haven't fixed anything for decades.
01:39:10.220But the Democrat Party has lost its mind and doesn't understand what to prioritize anymore.
01:39:15.140They're much more worried about pronouns and putting the homeless people, taking them out of the subway car and putting them on the subway platform as a real solution than they are about solving real people's problems.
01:39:27.100So that's what needs to happen, better leadership in the cities and the states.
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