The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump Warns Iran and Israel on Ceasefire, MAGA Divide, and NYC's Potential Socialist Rapper Mayor, with The Fifth Column ｜ Ep. 1094

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00:00:42.000 Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

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00:00:45.220 The news on Iran and Israel and President Trump's involvement in brokering a ceasefire deal has been quickly developing.

00:00:52.580 I mean, like, don't leave your phone if you want to stay up on the latest because it changes every 60 seconds, it seems.

00:01:00.040 President Trump announced last night on Truth Social that Israel and Iran agreed on a, quote, complete and total ceasefire that would take effect in six hours.

00:01:09.960 But shortly after that was set to take effect, Iran launched a wave of missiles at Israel, reportedly killing at least four.

00:01:17.140 OK, so it hadn't yet kicked in, but it was about to kick in and Iran decided to do it to do a bunch of killing before it officially kicked in. 0.93

00:01:23.800 What the F?

00:01:25.880 Israel responded by targeting the sites from which those bombs had been launched. 0.90

00:01:30.700 They've got four dead in Israel, 26 wounded as a result of those pre-ceasefire, you know, for good, good old time's sake, bombings by Iran again, WTF. 0.92

00:01:42.400 So Israel responded before the ceasefire.

00:01:46.140 And then there was a couple of collateral incident.

00:01:51.000 There were a couple of collateral incidents right after the ceasefire kicked in where.

00:01:57.680 Iran, question mark, launched two separate missile barrages at Israel, none of which hurt anybody and both of which appear to have been stopped by Iron Dome or in some other way by Israel.

00:02:09.780 And. And that's Trump is unhappy, he's unhappy because Israel responded to those two bombing those sites and the ceasefire.

00:02:21.440 Look, in the Middle East ceasefire, it's basically it's paused and there might be a few, you know, extra bombings we have to wait to find out.

00:02:33.960 But like you could still be in a ceasefire, but they just love bombing so much.

00:02:37.400 I mean, truly, they just bomb, bomb, bomb. This is like what it's like.

00:02:41.140 I mean, it's so so many of my friends, my Israeli friends or my Jewish friends are like, hey, do you want to go to Israel?

00:02:47.780 We'd love to take you. I don't know. I do not want to go to Israel. Thanks. 1.00

00:02:50.880 But no. Why would I want to go to Israel right now?

00:02:53.980 I'm sorry. I love the Israeli people, but I have zero desire to go to Israel, just like I have zero desire to go to the Iranian nuclear sites.

00:03:01.960 Right. I don't want to go places where people are getting bombed.

00:03:04.620 And what I do at night is pray. I pray for my friends in Israel.

00:03:08.100 I have dear friends who have family there. But like this is no way to live.

00:03:14.360 And Israel's been trying to stop it for many, many years. They can't stop it. 0.97

00:03:18.400 There's many nations around them and factions that want them dead and wiped off the face of the earth.

00:03:23.320 And it's going to be really hard to talk Iran out of it. The best we can do is get them to at least on paper, maybe say that they'll stop, which Trump has achieved. 1.00

00:03:34.620 But, you know, there's obviously a question as to is it worth the paper it's printed on?

00:03:39.000 President Trump signaling he's not happy with Israel and he's not happy with Iran.

00:03:44.740 I have to say what you're going about to hear. You'll hear it here. And then we have a longer soundbite in a minute with him taking aim at Israel, too, is very unusual for U.S. president.

00:03:52.300 But it's good. It's good for Trump because he understands in order for this deal to have support, he needs he needs Middle Easterners to be behind it. 0.60

00:03:59.940 He needs some of our Middle East allies to be behind it. And it can't always be just a knee jerk, reflexive.

00:04:05.620 We're with Israel. We're with Israel. We're with Israel. And they can do no wrong.

00:04:09.000 That's what Trump is trying to signal here. So he's not happy with either party.

00:04:14.740 And here he was on the White House lawn this morning, just about to take off for a NATO meeting.

00:04:21.020 Not mincing words.

00:04:23.380 We have we basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't. 0.99

00:04:29.940 know what the fuck they're doing. Do you understand that? 0.98

00:04:38.060 I mean, those are terms you might hear on the Megyn Kelly show, but it's very rare to rare to hear the president drop an F-bomb.

00:04:45.300 Very rarely he'll do it like in one of his comedy bits at one of his rallies.

00:04:50.080 But I don't remember him doing it when, you know, commenting on a serious policy matter before.

00:04:55.820 And he knows what he's doing. I mean, he's expressing his frustration at the way things go in the Middle East and the way these players respond.

00:05:05.840 And he also really wants the ceasefire.

00:05:10.460 You know, it's kind of like Trump thinks this deal is done and that should be it.

00:05:14.240 You know, he should hang the deal toy off the ceiling at the 21 Club and have a steak.

00:05:20.280 21 Club is no longer thanks to covid.

00:05:22.600 In any event, that's how deals used to get done here in New York.

00:05:25.500 And actually, if memory serves, is Trump featured in Wall Street when they go into the 21 Club?

00:05:31.340 He might be. He's in so many he's in so many of New York movies featuring New York.

00:05:36.320 Anyway, my point is he's frustrated and who could blame him?

00:05:39.440 Aren't we all? It's like.

00:05:40.680 They're never going to stop fighting.

00:05:43.940 That's how this feels.

00:05:44.880 They're just never going to stop fighting.

00:05:47.180 Look, we did our part.

00:05:48.460 He did our part.

00:05:49.560 He protected the United States.

00:05:51.060 He bombed the nuclear facilities.

00:05:52.780 It's what every president has said needs to be done in terms of stopping them. 0.99

00:05:56.680 Only Trump had the balls to do it. 0.96

00:05:58.760 Matthew Continetti, who's a great writer, he's writing over the Free Press, among other places now, and he's on the commentary podcast. 0.99

00:06:05.100 Um, he had this post and here's part of it.

00:06:09.460 He writes, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Donald Trump and Joe Biden all said a nuclear Iran was intolerable.

00:06:15.700 Yet only Trump paired words with deeds.

00:06:18.460 Only Trump sent Ayatollah Khamenei reeling.

00:06:21.760 The promises were clear enough.

00:06:23.620 Quote, I take the threat of Iran with a nuclear weapon very seriously. 0.58

00:06:26.820 Bush, 2007.

00:06:28.580 Quote, we will not Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon, period.

00:06:32.140 Biden in a vice presidential debate 2012.

00:06:35.740 Quote, the goal for these negotiations is to reach a mutually agreed long term comprehensive solution that would ensure Iran's nuclear program will be exclusively peaceful.

00:06:43.820 Obama, 2015.

00:06:46.440 Um, Kamala Harris.

00:06:48.580 Just last year when she was running as president, I will never allow Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon.

00:06:54.680 Continetti goes on.

00:06:55.360 And how have Trump's living predecessors and his 2024 rival reacted now to Operation Midnight Hammer?

00:07:02.720 Crickets.

00:07:03.120 Not one has issued a statement at this writing on the most significant foreign policy action in a generation.

00:07:11.180 Why?

00:07:12.100 Too busy at Huma Abedin's wedding to Alex Soros?

00:07:16.380 Great point.

00:07:17.460 All right.

00:07:19.000 Trump did what was necessary to protect the United States of America.

00:07:24.460 Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.

00:07:26.680 All those statements were not just because we care about Israel, which we do.

00:07:30.500 We care about ourselves.

00:07:32.260 We care about our troops in Middle East posts, not far from Iran.

00:07:37.120 And it was very clear across partisan lines that Iran could not have a nuclear weapon, but only Trump actually did something about it.

00:07:44.700 But in terms of actually stopping these two from fighting and launching missiles at each other and bombs, I'm not hopeful.

00:07:53.300 I'm sorry.

00:07:54.360 I wish I were.

00:07:55.120 I'm not.

00:07:56.400 I think it's still a major win that the conflict that was starting between us and Iran appears to be off for now.

00:08:07.160 They launched those attacks on our bases in Qatar and one in our base on our base in Iraq yesterday when we were on the air together and then they stopped.

00:08:17.120 That was it.

00:08:17.800 It was symbolic.

00:08:18.440 They gave us a heads up.

00:08:19.560 Trump later in his true social laid it out saying thanks for the heads up so that nobody got killed.

00:08:24.260 We understand you sent 14 bombs, 13 of which we intercepted and one of which we allowed to land because it wasn't going to hit anything or anyone.

00:08:33.340 And nobody was hurt or killed.

00:08:34.860 Thanks.

00:08:35.240 We appreciate it.

00:08:35.880 And nothing else has happened with respect to the United States for us, at least now, given the posture we were in 72 hours ago.

00:08:44.520 That's very good news.

00:08:46.460 So Trump now is off on a long flight to the Netherlands.

00:08:50.120 He has his phone and he's truthing away.

00:08:52.800 So we'll bring you some updates on what he's saying.

00:08:55.660 Plus, the New York Democratic primary for mayor is today.

00:08:58.780 And by the poly market odds, it appears that socialist candidate Zoran Mamdani may beat disgraced former governor Cuomo.

00:09:08.420 I mean, I never thought I'd say these words, but go Governor Cuomo.

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00:09:16.940 Janice Dean is just she's got a shiver down her spine somewhere. 0.98

00:09:20.000 But we can't have this lunatic Mamdani. 1.00

00:09:22.640 We cannot have him running the world's greatest city. 0.94

00:09:26.520 New York City is the greatest city in the world, even as hobbled as it's been by years of Democrat control.

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00:09:49.740 So that's what we're going to be watching today as the poll results come in.

00:09:53.720 First, we're going to be joined by our guests here to discuss it all and more.

00:09:57.680 Camille Foster, partner at Freethink.

00:09:59.880 Michael Moynihan, host of the Moynihan Report on Two Way.

00:10:02.320 And Matt Walsh, editor at Large for Reason.

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00:11:16.200 Guys, welcome back.

00:11:17.920 How are you having us?

00:11:19.240 Great to see you. 0.96

00:11:20.000 All right, let's just start with before we get to Mondami, because there's a lot to talk about with that lunatic.

00:11:24.780 And, you know, two out of three of you are still in New York.

00:11:26.860 So, like, really have a dog in this in this race.

00:11:29.820 But let's talk first about what I said at the top about the Middle East and the ceasefire.

00:11:34.720 Is it on? Is it not off?

00:11:35.980 Trump dropping the F-bomb at these two out of frustration.

00:11:38.980 You know, I what do you just let's just kick it off with what you make of my take on it, which is like we should just be happy.

00:11:45.520 They're no longer launching bombs at us and that the retaliation for our drum bomb dropping appears to be done and that they're back to sort of launching these mini bombs at each other or not.

00:11:55.980 And maybe pausing and maybe not unclear.

00:11:59.080 Your take.

00:12:00.540 Well, let's start.

00:12:01.920 Go ahead.

00:12:02.220 Well, let's start with this, Megan.

00:12:04.160 I mean, the response from the Iranians, there's two things about this.

00:12:09.780 One is that they telegraphed it to everybody.

00:12:13.820 They sent out, like, this is what we're going to do.

00:12:16.160 And by this is what it's going to happen.

00:12:17.740 This is how many missiles because they don't really want to provoke us.

00:12:21.080 But they want to symbolically say we're going to attack one of your bases in Qatar.

00:12:25.680 The Qataris are, of course, not an ally, but as close as you can be to an ally with Iran in the region.

00:12:33.800 And the Qataris, by the way, responded by shooting them all out of the sky and saying, well, we leave open the possibility to respond to this, which was pretty remarkable. 0.99

00:12:43.560 So what they did was what they could do, which was not much.

00:12:47.700 So that's pretty reassuring.

00:12:49.220 As you pointed out, Megan, down the road, we'll see what happens.

00:12:51.900 The Iranians have been hitting Americans and American citizens and American military targets since 1979 from, you know, taking hostages the second they took over in the American embassy in Tehran in 79. 0.69

00:13:05.600 So they have a long history of doing this.

00:13:07.580 But right now they are absolutely defanged.

00:13:09.960 And when you have somebody like Brett McGurk, who was the Biden White House's coordinator for the Middle East or something, saying that this is the best possible place that we could be in and congratulating President Trump for managing this crisis.

00:13:25.860 Good Lord.

00:13:26.880 I mean, talk about, you know, when you're getting Brett McGurk to say you're doing a good job.

00:13:30.740 These are people that never say anything positive about Trump.

00:13:33.640 And one final thing is that I think you're absolutely right about something that I, for one, who have been incredibly critical of Trump.

00:13:41.800 I mean, the podcast has been incredibly critical of Trump for where we think he deserves it.

00:13:45.900 I'm been praising him for this.

00:13:49.300 But I think that you're right in the thing that people don't understand.

00:13:52.640 You have to keep so many people in the Middle East on board. 1.00

00:13:55.040 Everyone is pointing out that so many of these countries in the Middle East, like the Saudis, like the Qataris, and like the Jordanians, are quietly saying, go Trump, but not doing it publicly because they have a, you know, restive population that are not huge fans of the Israelis. 0.93

00:14:09.760 That that moment when he's like, these guys, they don't the fuck they're doing, which is like, I don't know exactly what he's saying. 0.75

00:14:15.700 But when he's telegraphing to those people that, look, we're going to criticize Israel, too. 0.98

00:14:20.520 We're not on board entirely.

00:14:21.880 You guys have been been lovely and quiet about this, not criticizing us.

00:14:26.400 We're going to kind of reciprocate.

00:14:28.040 I think that was a yeah.

00:14:29.840 Is he mad at Netanyahu?

00:14:31.180 But as you pointed out, Megan, that was a response to the Iranians breaking a ceasefire that, first of all, everyone said that they didn't really agree to and then said that they did.

00:14:39.300 But yeah, I think that that was definitely a wise decision because of the way Trump presents so many things.

00:14:45.740 We just tend to think that he's flying, you know, the seat of his pants and just, you know, you know, kind of ad libbing.

00:14:52.580 I think that that stuff is is very well calibrated to say, let's throw a little dart at the Israelis. 1.00

00:14:58.640 Make sure that everyone understands where we are here.

00:15:01.040 We're not doing this on behalf of Israel, but on behalf of us and for you guys, too, in the Middle East who actually don't love the Iranians.

00:15:06.700 My fingers are crossed that all of this is true and good and we're in a good place and the bad things didn't happen.

00:15:16.180 But I would really caution everybody not to get too optimistic about this because we have been similarly in moments of temporary euphoria about the exercise of American power in the Middle East.

00:15:27.740 And then things didn't go out so well in August of 2011.

00:15:32.260 A lot of Democrats over the opposition of Republicans were crowing that they got rid of the Gaddafi regime in Libya.

00:15:39.820 And wasn't that the use of American power at its best?

00:15:43.500 In Hillary Clinton's words, we were a bit triumphant in March of 1991.

00:15:47.640 My God, we won the Gulf War so fast.

00:15:49.780 People's heads snapped and wasn't it great?

00:15:52.580 And then that led to a thing that we should think about now, which is for the rest of the 90s, more or less, the U.S. created no-fly zones over Iraq.

00:16:01.900 So it was just sort of this low-level kind of war.

00:16:04.480 We kind of control this.

00:16:06.460 What is Israel going to do in Iran right now?

00:16:08.860 Israel controls the airspace of Iran and doesn't want them to get a nuclear weapon and doesn't want them to develop missile technology.

00:16:15.080 Are they going to patrol that with the U.S. help over the next stretch?

00:16:19.160 We don't know because you don't know what is going to happen next, either in the Middle East or after a big war.

00:16:25.420 There's a lot of things to be concerned about going forward.

00:16:27.920 I'm less convinced, as you are and Michael are, that the use of U.S. power in this case was the correct one.

00:16:35.200 I think that we should be more skeptical in general about the use of U.S. force against people who haven't attacked us this week or any time recently.

00:16:45.320 Because we have the biggest, most powerful military in the world, and when you are using it against sovereign, crappy countries that are nonetheless sovereign, you open up a lot of potential downstream effects that you can't predict for now, but that could be negative.

00:17:01.320 So my fingers are crossed, and you can see the window into how this would work.

00:17:06.060 Everyone seems to be kind of de-escalating right now.

00:17:09.300 It's possible that the mullahs are so terrified that they are willing to make some kind of deal to protect their survival.

00:17:15.640 They don't have allies, really, and that's part of it.

00:17:18.900 Where are their friends?

00:17:20.800 Not many friends.

00:17:21.600 And Israel, you're a little bit pessimistic, Megan, about the state of Israel or its ability.

00:17:27.700 Israel has absolutely, not absolutely, but has very impressively defanged the ring of fire, and I know that's a mixed metaphor, around it that Iran has created through proxies over time. 0.85

00:17:39.520 It's been kind of an amazing tactical success on their part.

00:17:43.340 So fingers can be crossed on this, but I'm not optimistic.

00:17:46.500 I'm not skeptical about Israel's ability to fight, not even a little. 0.96

00:17:50.860 I'm skeptical about the prospects of a lasting ceasefire in the Middle East, that Israel will stand down, that Iran will stand down, that one of Iran's proxies will remain down.

00:18:03.520 Like, someone's going to keep launching bombs into Israel, and Israel always responds. 0.86

00:18:08.060 So that's what I'm saying.

00:18:09.440 Like, I know Israel can do it.

00:18:11.020 What their military has done over the past couple of years has been spectacular.

00:18:14.560 It's been actually, I mean, I'm not endorsing the level of, you know, death. 0.52

00:18:19.180 I'm saying they're very, very competent at killing their enemies.

00:18:22.820 That we've seen.

00:18:24.060 So I have no doubt there.

00:18:25.120 I just, it's like, it's nonstop.

00:18:26.920 It's nonstop violence in the Middle East. 1.00

00:18:29.280 This is why I don't really want to go to Israel.

00:18:31.340 This is why I think a lot of people don't want to go to Israel.

00:18:34.020 And it's why, like, I think a lot of us who have been paying attention to the Middle East for a long time feel exactly how President Trump felt this morning. 0.99

00:18:40.440 What the fuck? 0.99

00:18:41.160 These people don't know. 1.00

00:18:41.840 What the fuck? 1.00

00:18:42.240 It's like, right? 0.99

00:18:43.600 Like, that's the right attitude when it comes to the Middle East matters.

00:18:47.660 Sorry, Matt.

00:18:48.100 Go ahead.

00:18:49.040 No, just that they've defanged Hezbollah from firing those 100,000 rockets over the northern border.

00:18:56.760 That's a huge change.

00:18:59.120 Hezbollah is a completely Iranian-created subsidiary.

00:19:02.500 And they're like, ah, we're going to sit this one out.

00:19:03.700 So that's a sign that they have actually made progress in having fewer missiles go at them, even though they had missiles kill people yesterday.

00:19:12.320 I mean, progress in this part of the world is awkward and incremental at best.

00:19:17.900 But there has been meaningful progress.

00:19:19.700 And I'm a little bit surprised here because I think I might be not the least skeptical person about whether or not the Trump administration made the right decision.

00:19:28.700 It seems like they made a pretty pragmatic calculation that at this particular time, given the pressure Iran was under, given the fact that they didn't have anyone who was likely to come to their defense here, that the Americans could sneak in and carry out a pretty devastating attack on these nuclear facilities that have long been a concern.

00:19:47.380 And it is not yet clear how much, how effective those bombings were.

00:19:52.060 And we'll learn more about that in the days and weeks to come, we hope.

00:19:54.780 But what is pretty clear is that there was a concerted effort on the part of the administration to broadcast to Iran this could be it and that that message was well received by the Iranians.

00:20:08.600 And even the kind of calibrated use of profanity this morning, because it did seem like a pretty deliberate choice on the president's part, the fact that he's directing some of the criticism at Israel as well.

00:20:18.940 I mean, they seem to be navigating this very difficult situation pretty well.

00:20:25.740 All of that said, I will say that once it gets to the point where you're lobbing bombs at people as opposed to using the tools of diplomacy, this is, I suppose, by definition, something of a failure if someone hasn't lobbed a bomb at you already.

00:20:39.180 But they do seem to be making some progress here, and one has to hope for a good outcome.

00:20:46.200 And again, a really difficult, protracted situation that we suspect this is probably an interregnum as opposed to a durable, lasting peace.

00:20:54.740 But it could be a really useful interregnum.

00:20:57.520 And it could very well be the sort of thing that creates substantial problems for the Iranian machine. 0.83

00:21:03.220 And it's one of those things where it's like, it's not our job to create peace in the Middle East.

00:21:07.720 It's really not.

00:21:09.160 Right.

00:21:09.680 And it is our job to protect American interests and the American people.

00:21:14.900 And I think Trump, consistent with all those other presidents, as I just went through, citing the Continetti piece, and we did some of this yesterday, too, on the show, believes truly that Iran cannot get a nuclear weapon. 0.91

00:21:25.120 They're too crazy. 0.98

00:21:26.980 They're too jihadi. 1.00

00:21:28.540 They're too, they're a little too keen on killing the Western infidels. 1.00

00:21:31.700 In order to trust that, so given how weak they've been, they are right now, Trump's opportunity, and he took it, and was also given intel, yes, by the Israelis, that's got an asterisk on it, as always, but also by the IAEA's assessment that they'd reached 60% uranium enrichment, and that there had been an acceleration in the number of centrifuges over the past seven, eight months.

00:21:53.860 So he did have data in front of him, and who knows what else?

00:21:56.620 We don't get to see what President Trump gets to see in terms of intel.

00:22:00.540 So I trust him that he thought that it was a valid intelligence assessment, that they were speeding up toward the nuclear bomb, and it makes sense to me, too, given how weakened they were.

00:22:13.260 I mean, when you corner an animal, it lashes out.

00:22:15.580 It doesn't usually just fold and ask for peace.

00:22:18.980 It will tend to bite you from that corner, and so it makes sense to me.

00:22:23.200 In any event, but the larger question of peace in the Middle East, I mean, like, okay, how many presidents have tried that?

00:22:30.900 Some have gotten Nobel Peace Prizes only for the whole region to wind up under missile fire again.

00:22:37.160 It's just, that's just too big.

00:22:39.020 I applaud him for trying.

00:22:40.940 You know, when we were talking about possibly a deal yesterday, I was saying to Emily Jashinsky, like, what is the deal?

00:22:46.740 What's the deal?

00:22:47.380 Like, we said, stop trying to develop a nuke.

00:22:50.080 They slow rolled us.

00:22:52.280 Then we bombed their nuclear facilities.

00:22:54.220 It's kind of done.

00:22:55.480 We got what we wanted.

00:22:57.120 And the big announcement was ceasefire between the other two.

00:23:01.600 Great.

00:23:02.180 I mean, I care about that, too.

00:23:04.180 But that's really between them in the same way, like, the fighting since 10-7 has been between Israel.

00:23:10.520 And it's many, many haters over there.

00:23:12.880 And I, on this show, we haven't really covered the day-to-day battles because it's really not America's fight.

00:23:17.860 But, look, I understand Israel's our ally.

00:23:20.420 Iran's not. 0.98

00:23:21.760 Its proxies aren't.

00:23:23.120 But it's really not exactly our fight.

00:23:24.960 Go ahead, Michael.

00:23:26.280 Well, a couple things about this.

00:23:28.780 I mean, to your point about Trump's intelligence and what he has and what we haven't seen.

00:23:34.160 And, you know, just kind of bouncing off of what Matt said, there are a lot of lessons to learn from Iraq and to be skeptical.

00:23:41.640 And I agree with Matt, by the way.

00:23:42.860 It's like this is a momentary success, but let's not think this is a lasting success.

00:23:48.600 There should be no spiking the ball in the end zone relating to anything in the Middle East. 1.00

00:23:55.740 No.

00:23:56.140 If you defeat Grenada in 1983, spike the ball.

00:23:59.900 If you're spiking any break in the Middle East, no spiking. 0.82

00:24:03.040 But the difference is this, is that in 2003, 2003, leading up to the Iraq war, you couldn't find a lot of Republicans who disagreed with the Bush administration's desire to go into Iraq and dislodge Saddam Hussein.

00:24:18.280 Trump, you know, is doing something that is actively going to fracture part of his coalition or runs the risk of fracturing his coalition.

00:24:26.760 And he did it anyway, which is pretty interesting and pretty impressive.

00:24:32.020 And, you know, look, there's a couple of political points here.

00:24:35.540 I mean, he put on Truth Social something about some congressman who had nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize.

00:24:41.780 It just, and by the way, to get nominated, you just need somebody from a legislature anywhere in the world can nominate.

00:24:47.480 Right. So he, I think that's how he sees this.

00:24:49.900 And that's perfectly fine to see it that way.

00:24:52.320 Because what happened in 1995, Congress passed a bit of legislation.

00:24:58.040 What was the, I think it was the Jerusalem Embassy Act.

00:25:01.100 And what was it, 23 years later after, as you said, Megan, according to the great Matt Continetti, who's a friend and I think he's brilliant,

00:25:07.500 is that everyone said they were going to do it.

00:25:09.300 And then 2018, Trump does it.

00:25:11.900 Everyone says they cannot have a nuke.

00:25:14.760 And people are shocked that Trump has done this.

00:25:17.640 It was pointed out, and I hadn't even realized this, that golden escalator speech, the very speech,

00:25:23.520 he said that evening that Iran can't get a nuclear weapon.

00:25:28.480 So he's pretty consistent on this issue.

00:25:30.620 And I think it's, you know, to his incredible credit, again, as someone who's been very critical of him,

00:25:35.780 I think it's to his credit that he's actually said, this is what I'm going to do.

00:25:40.440 And I did it.

00:25:41.900 And I've seen a lot of, we saw someone this morning saying, you know, it is a right,

00:25:47.080 why isn't it not their right to enrich uranium and create a nuclear weapon?

00:25:52.520 And it's the same thing as the Israelis done, et cetera, the United States, the Pakistanis. 1.00

00:25:57.240 They're too crazy. 0.99

00:25:57.860 Well, that is what you said. 0.99

00:26:00.180 And that's right.

00:26:00.560 It reminded me of what William F. Buckley once said.

00:26:03.300 He said, if you see someone pushing an old woman out of the way of the car and another one pushing a woman into a car,

00:26:09.300 they're not both people who push old ladies around.

00:26:12.220 This is a different thing where they have a nuclear weapon.

00:26:16.080 And so, look, I don't in any way, I'm not celebratory about this.

00:26:21.720 I am happy.

00:26:22.420 But as you point out, this is the most important point for everyone to realize is that what Israel tries to do is to push back the capabilities of people trying to destroy them.

00:26:35.720 The people of Hezbollah, the leadership has been destroyed.

00:26:38.780 The IRGC leadership in Tehran has been destroyed.

00:26:42.000 The Assad regime has been destroyed.

00:26:43.820 Assad is now in Moscow.

00:26:45.800 These are great victories.

00:26:47.340 It has not changed the idea of the people that followed Assad, the people that signed up for Hezbollah, the people that are allies of the regime in Iran, that Israel must be destroyed.

00:26:56.740 That is something that you cannot necessarily bomb into submission.

00:27:00.620 So when people say, like Trump said the other day, what's the problem with regime change?

00:27:04.280 They're a bad regime.

00:27:05.160 I'd like to see them change.

00:27:06.120 It's like, me too.

00:27:07.480 I oppose us getting involved in that and trying to dictate things.

00:27:11.640 But if it precipitates the failure of the disgusting, horrible, murderous regime in Tehran that has been oppressing its own people since 1979, great. 0.86

00:27:23.480 But I don't want to be involved in that.

00:27:25.220 I mean, Trump, as you guys know, we've discussed, Trump actually proposed Gaziera, Mara Gaza.

00:27:31.680 You know, Trump looks his region like anything's possible.

00:27:36.180 Yeah.

00:27:36.580 Let's say let's make everybody rich and we'll build instead of destroy and things will be so much better.

00:27:42.160 Like, just let's just do that.

00:27:43.620 And it's like he's a sunny optimist in so many ways. 0.99

00:27:47.860 And then when people don't live up to his optimistic vision and like version of them, he's like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:27:55.480 What's wrong with you people? 0.94

00:27:56.560 I mean, I bought a timeshare in con units because I was like, this is going to be amazing, but probably a bad investment.

00:28:02.620 I think there's one problem or at least one caveat we should think about in terms of the Matt Continenti perplex, which is you could you could make the exact same clip job of statements by U.S.

00:28:15.740 presidents, every single one saying that about North Korea.

00:28:19.300 And we didn't press the do something button.

00:28:22.000 We have the mother of all do something buttons, which is the U.S.

00:28:24.660 military. We didn't do that.

00:28:26.360 So should we have should we now?

00:28:28.880 That's a difficult question.

00:28:30.500 I think my answer being sort of a constitutionalist, libertarian, semi-peace Nick is no, we shouldn't bomb North Korea.

00:28:38.880 North Korea is arguably more psychopathic, but has much less reach than Iran.

00:28:44.740 Iran has been been an active menace in the Middle East for the last half century. 1.00

00:28:49.740 North Korea has thrown some cannon fodder into the Russia to Ukraine war, but otherwise is pretty ineffectual, generally speaking.

00:28:55.940 But whenever, you know, part of diplomacy is say, well, you shouldn't have this.

00:29:01.040 We refuse to have that.

00:29:02.440 But do you really mean by that that if the other actor doesn't abide by those words that we're going to press this incredibly lethal, destabilizing, do something button against a sovereign country?

00:29:16.340 I recognize that diplomacy and especially diplomacy between people who are antagonists is absolutely frustrating, messy, ineffectual and bad.

00:29:26.940 That is what it's always been.

00:29:28.820 That's kind of the point of it is that people who disagree with each other are trying to come up with some kind of way to coexist without shooting each other.

00:29:35.880 But it is kind of a failure of diplomacy when you end up in a war situation.

00:29:40.120 And we should be skeptical.

00:29:41.660 I think we should be reticent to hit that do something button, even when psychopathic regimes are developing nuclear weapons.

00:29:49.560 But I have no love for Pakistan. 1.00

00:29:51.820 Don't.

00:29:52.280 They sheltered Osama bin Laden last time I looked for quite some time.

00:29:55.780 There is a lot of problems with that country.

00:29:57.880 And I'm going to start with my.

00:29:59.480 I agree.

00:30:00.120 You don't go around bombing the bad countries.

00:30:02.160 I know.

00:30:02.740 But but the situation is much more layered than that.

00:30:06.200 You know, I mean, what happened?

00:30:07.940 I'm not going to go through the whole thing.

00:30:09.200 I did at this top of the show yesterday.

00:30:10.440 But the short version is the thumbnail version is Iran attacked Israel on 10 seven through its proxy Hamas.

00:30:17.740 They were they funded Hamas.

00:30:19.320 I mean, Iran was funding Al Qaeda.

00:30:21.460 I mean, Iran has been funding a lot of deaths of Americans and people Americans love for a long, long time now. 0.87

00:30:28.120 So Iran funded that attack. 0.69

00:30:30.120 Against Israel and through Hamas. 0.78

00:30:31.720 So Israel gets attacked and Israel spent the next two years taking down everyone who attacked it.

00:30:37.000 You know, mob style, like everyone that you the entire family, like the godfather style, like him, his entire family, dead, dead.

00:30:45.880 And they did it both Hamas and then Hezbollah and then the Houthis. 0.98

00:30:49.440 And then we helped with the Houthis and so on.

00:30:50.760 And then the Assad regime falls.

00:30:52.240 And then you have all these Iranian proxies that are now gone or their heads have been chopped off.

00:30:58.500 And at this point, there's some intel saying Iran is now accelerating its bomb because I think because it's like a cornered animal and it's starting to panic.

00:31:08.900 And I actually believe the reports that it was ramping up.

00:31:11.680 And I said yesterday, Bibi is not really he has no credibility for me.

00:31:16.420 I mean, I just I've watched him every year say there's six weeks away.

00:31:19.160 There's six months away in 2012.

00:31:20.320 I was on the air when he held up his little picture of the bomb that you'd see, like in a Disney cartoon, as like the round bomb with the little fuse at the top, trying to show us that they were about to have it within months.

00:31:31.920 That's 2012.

00:31:33.220 He is to the bomb claims what the leftist Greta Turnberg's are to the climate catastrophe claims.

00:31:40.660 That's true.

00:31:41.480 I'm sorry, but that's true with with Netanyahu. 0.68

00:31:43.760 His defenders will say, oh, but Israel intervened to slow it all down.

00:31:46.880 I OK, I don't really believe that that's what stopped.

00:31:49.240 I think he overstated time and time again how close they were.

00:31:53.380 That's my point.

00:31:56.420 I'm just simply saying that that it was more complicated than this because Israel had created conditions in fighting back that made this an ideal time to take to achieve the goal that all these other presidents agreed we needed to do.

00:32:10.380 Go ahead.

00:32:10.740 Yeah, well, first off, I want to make sure that no matter how much you hate Benjamin Netanyahu, please don't compare anyone to Greta Thunberg, because that's just like a slap in the face.

00:32:21.760 I mean, like, I don't know why he's I mean, he's going to give a speech to the Knesset that Megan Kelly in America compared me to Greta Thunberg.

00:32:29.320 Yeah, a couple of things like, you know, to slightly disagree with my co-host here, Matt.

00:32:36.220 I mean, the thing about about the North Korea comparison.

00:32:39.780 And I get the idea that, you know, there's different times for this when you say no one's done anything in the way that that that Matt Continetti wrote.

00:32:48.280 But if there is a moment in which the South Koreans were in an active war with the North Koreans and the North Koreans had lost all of its allies, couldn't do anything, was totally defanged.

00:32:58.820 And at the same time, you could actually liberate the people of North Korea who have been living under the most oppressive regime on Earth at the last kind of Stalinist dictatorship.

00:33:08.440 It's a slightly different scenario.

00:33:10.320 Right. I mean, the fact that Brett McGurk is saying this and some other people, Mark Rutte, the secretary general of NATO, who's sending Donald Trump a signal message, which Trump then posts on True Social this morning, which might be the most hilarious thing he's ever done.

00:33:25.940 It was like this sycophantic message, like, we love you, President Trump.

00:33:30.020 But the reason they're saying this is that is that this is a moment to do it.

00:33:33.540 I mean, can you imagine this this horrible regime that we've all been so afraid of and rightfully so, too, can't even control its own skies, hasn't thrown up a single plane against not the B2s, but any, you know, American made Israeli plane. 0.92

00:33:51.340 And it's the time in which you do something like this or consider something like this, especially if the intelligence is saying, as I tend to believe, I don't have all the evidence of this.

00:34:02.720 I've talked to some people about it.

00:34:03.900 Megan, I'm sure you have, too, that this was an actual serious point.

00:34:07.900 But when you do this, you have a thing that so many people, Matt says, I'm a half peacenik.

00:34:14.140 I think that's probably true.

00:34:14.960 Matt's about a half peacenik.

00:34:16.000 He sometimes loves war.

00:34:17.480 But Matt, the peacenik, the people who say blowback, this is something that you hear from the Noam Chomsky's of the world.

00:34:23.980 People used to be just on the left, but you hear it on the right, too.

00:34:27.000 This is also blowback.

00:34:28.980 Blowback is bidirectional.

00:34:30.600 They have been doing this for so long, intimidating, attacking.

00:34:34.700 Look, you can think that America shouldn't have been involved in the war in Iraq.

00:34:39.040 I, unfortunately, and I criticize myself for this, took too long to get to that conclusion.

00:34:43.920 But I did, and it was a bad thought that I had, but I was much younger.

00:34:48.160 But regardless of whether or not we should have been there, we do understand that the Iranians killed 600, 650 Americans.

00:34:55.320 That's the kind of estimate through Iranian proxies that they were funding and arming, roadside bombs that were built by the IRGC, IRGC people on the ground in Iraq, Soleimani also killed by Trump.

00:35:07.720 Where?

00:35:08.460 In Iraq.

00:35:09.400 I mean, so they've been fighting a direct war against us.

00:35:12.660 Should we have been there?

00:35:13.800 No, we shouldn't have. 0.76

00:35:14.820 But do we say, because we shouldn't have been there, kill American troops with abandoned hundreds of them?

00:35:21.180 This is blowback.

00:35:22.840 You guys got, you got, you know, overstretched and you left yourself open. 0.75

00:35:28.300 And the Trump administration responded not by killing Iranians, not by killing Iranian scientists.

00:35:33.760 The Israelis did that. 0.98

00:35:35.100 Blowing up your nuclear program in various places.

00:35:38.440 So, you know.

00:35:39.260 You effed around and eventually you found out.

00:35:41.580 You found out.

00:35:42.240 You know, to quote Colonel Jessup, you effed with the wrong Marine.

00:35:46.560 You know, you had Donald Trump in there.

00:35:48.940 Joe Biden's gone.

00:35:50.360 Right? 1.00

00:35:50.760 We didn't have some feckless loser leader with no spine. 1.00

00:35:55.580 He tried. 0.99

00:35:56.480 He loves peace.

00:35:57.520 He went, Ghazi era. 0.99

00:35:58.980 You know, and he looked at you folks in Iran and said, let's have a great relationship and stop all the killing. 0.98

00:36:04.460 And then he started to realize, as any good deal maker does at some point, when he's getting stiffed.

00:36:09.400 You know, when somebody's slow rolling you and doesn't really mean to be there in good faith.

00:36:13.800 And then he dropped a bomb on their nuclear facilities.

00:36:15.960 That's how it went down.

00:36:16.860 Wanted to offer this.

00:36:17.600 I didn't get to it yesterday.

00:36:19.080 But a guy named Jamie Metzl posted this.

00:36:21.240 You mentioned Brett McGurk as follows.

00:36:23.500 Quote, I served.

00:36:24.700 This is on X.

00:36:25.240 I served on the National Security Council under President Clinton.

00:36:29.320 I was Joe Biden's deputy staff director of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

00:36:33.680 I voted for Kamala Harris and I've been a vocal critic of many dangerous and undemocratic actions taken by President Trump.

00:36:39.140 But I'm not a blind tribalist and imperfectly comfortable praising President Trump for bold and courageous actions in support of America's core national interests as he took Saturday night.

00:36:49.240 Iran has been at war with the United States for 46 years.

00:36:51.340 Its regime has murdered thousands of American citizens.

00:36:54.040 Its slogan, Death to America, was not window dressing, but core ideology.

00:36:57.340 It was racing towards a nuke with every intention of using it to threaten America.

00:37:01.080 Our allies are the Middle East region as a whole.

00:37:02.820 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:37:03.500 And then he goes on to say, although I believe electing Kamala would have been better for our democracy, society and economy,

00:37:08.460 as well as for helping the most vulnerable people in the U.S. and around the world.

00:37:11.780 I also believe V.P. Harris would not have had the courage or fortitude to take such an essential step as the president took last night.

00:37:20.180 Wow.

00:37:20.920 I mean, it's remarkable.

00:37:22.320 That's and credit to him for saying it, Camille.

00:37:25.540 And he might be right.

00:37:26.520 And, you know, if I were trying to paint an alternative scenario here where the Trump maybe achieves the same ends without necessarily having to carry out the military strike,

00:37:38.220 it would have involved him going to Congress very formally and loudly and dramatically and theatrically seeking authorization to use force and broadcasting to Iran very clearly.

00:37:48.960 If we don't get a deal, a deal where we get to come in, thoroughly inspect these sites with our personnel, then a strike is coming.

00:37:58.200 But get congressional approval.

00:38:00.200 Do things the right way.

00:38:03.120 Totally disagree.

00:38:03.800 Literally, I think that there's a possibility, at least, that you could have achieved a very similar outcome.

00:38:09.320 In fact, what would have been better is that you wouldn't have had to have the expense of the bombing,

00:38:13.020 but you'd also have the knowledge of exactly what was in that facility and who was in the facility and be able to go in there and dismantle things in a very direct way.

00:38:24.480 I mean, it's at least a possibility, but that is definitely different.

00:38:29.020 And it's more complicated and it requires a lot of strategery that they might not have been able to pull off.

00:38:35.820 But at the same time, I do think that at least getting Congress involved in the decision is something that is worth flagging them for.

00:38:42.240 But the outcome does seem quite good overall.

00:38:45.440 Congress doesn't help with anything ever.

00:38:48.400 Congress is the problem.

00:38:49.900 Congress is not the solution to anything and certainly not military action.

00:38:53.760 Yes, if you're going to declare a war, you need them.

00:38:55.840 But the whole goal, read John Hughes piece over at National Review today.

00:38:59.580 He's so smart.

00:39:00.400 This guy's been so brilliant.

00:39:01.900 Yes, he justified some of the torture under George W. Bush.

00:39:05.080 But I'm going to be right about that, too.

00:39:07.580 I'm sorry.

00:39:08.340 Anyway, no, I'm fine with it.

00:39:10.160 I defended the torture when it was happening, too.

00:39:11.940 We thought we were going to get attacked every every next week.

00:39:14.340 We wanted to do anything necessary to protect ourselves and our children.

00:39:17.020 It's like, fine, judge it now all these years later.

00:39:19.260 But OK, anyway, John, you has got a great piece up today about the founding fathers and about Alexander Hamilton and about why they created the structure they did with an emboldened executive who could make split second decisions, who could make in the moment decisions on how to protect the homeland and how Congress, of course, is a much more deliberative body.

00:39:41.640 And they understood that.

00:39:43.420 And that's got its place.

00:39:44.220 But it's not when it comes to warfare in the moment, like where actual decisions need to be made and they need to be made fast.

00:39:50.220 That's why you have an executive who's commander in chief, too.

00:39:52.760 He did not need to go to Congress.

00:39:54.420 You can argue about whether he should have.

00:39:55.640 I still don't think he should have.

00:39:56.680 Like, if you want to, whatever.

00:39:57.920 OK, but no, Congress fucks things up. 0.97

00:40:00.380 They don't fix things.

00:40:01.240 Sorry.

00:40:01.620 Go ahead.

00:40:02.760 The Hamilton and Madison agreed on nothing.

00:40:06.020 They didn't agree on what color the sky was, but they both agreed that the power to declare war should rest in the Congress because they didn't want to declare war.

00:40:16.840 Yeah, that's not what happened.

00:40:18.720 We're now in the Obama 2011.

00:40:21.220 Like, oh, it's just a kinetic military action.

00:40:23.740 That's not a war.

00:40:25.160 And I don't think you really think we started a war with Iran.

00:40:28.180 I mean, you think we did.

00:40:29.220 J.D. said that we that we declared war on Iran's nuclear program, which is not on the Iranian people, not on the.

00:40:36.020 The country of Iran.

00:40:37.000 It's different.

00:40:37.460 It's not.

00:40:37.920 It's not.

00:40:38.480 It is not the same.

00:40:40.240 I think it's not exactly the same.

00:40:42.040 It's narrower.

00:40:43.340 You're doing a war like.

00:40:44.820 Totally disagree.

00:40:45.800 I disagree with you.

00:40:46.420 And also, like the the of course, there is the power invested in the president to respond to attacks.

00:40:52.760 This isn't a response to an attack to prevent attacks.

00:40:55.460 This is a preventative attack.

00:40:57.120 Yes, it is.

00:40:58.440 But that's it.

00:40:59.080 That's OK.

00:40:59.660 That's not like, oh, gosh, 24 hours.

00:41:01.800 It's OK.

00:41:02.680 To notify anybody.

00:41:03.720 It doesn't have to be imminent.

00:41:04.500 It's not constitutionally.

00:41:06.860 It does not need to be imminent.

00:41:07.880 No, it doesn't, Matt.

00:41:08.560 What's your authority for that?

00:41:10.320 My it's not my authority.

00:41:12.860 It is for me.

00:41:13.960 I think that when you say that you should.

00:41:15.960 I think the dropping of a bomb is an engagement in a warlike activity.

00:41:19.780 And if you're doing that, you should be doing that in defense and not.

00:41:23.200 So you're talking about should not must.

00:41:25.780 I mean, I'm trying to defend the president's power to do what he did.

00:41:28.640 There is no question, as these people talk about impeachment, et cetera, that it's utter folly.

00:41:33.300 He 100 percent had the legal authority to do what he did.

00:41:36.080 My side would lose because successive Supreme Courts have given the president broad authority

00:41:41.940 and the war making power, to be clear.

00:41:44.240 But I think to look honestly at the intention of the founders, including Alexander Hamilton,

00:41:49.420 I don't think it was the president should have the ability to go out and wage preemptive

00:41:54.660 war farther along.

00:41:56.800 They they understood that having a president with that much war making power would be a

00:42:00.840 temptation towards power and lead to more.

00:42:03.160 And I think we've lived through this over the last he did was try to prevent a war.

00:42:06.600 He tried to prevent a war.

00:42:08.000 That's what he did.

00:42:08.500 He dropped a bomb on a nuclear facility that could have killed us all with intel that they 0.85

00:42:12.680 were ramping up and getting ready to use it.

00:42:14.840 So, I mean, like we can we can go round and round on this all day.

00:42:17.960 But number one, the AOC calls for impeachment, which Trump and she are arguing back and forth

00:42:23.200 on right now online are absurd.

00:42:25.680 There's zero grounds for impeachment.

00:42:27.860 He's taunting her now saying, go ahead and do it.

00:42:29.800 Make my day.

00:42:30.600 He's given her one of those.

00:42:32.680 And I also think now, you know, then we're spilling over into, OK, well, even if he had the

00:42:37.700 power, should he have exercised it?

00:42:39.560 And we definitely have a disagreement on that.

00:42:41.260 But people can make up their own minds.

00:42:43.540 I want to play you.

00:42:44.520 I said I'd play the longer soundbite of him dropping the bomb because he actually gets

00:42:47.940 into a couple of other subjects.

00:42:49.020 And I want to do that now.

00:42:49.960 Here it is.

00:42:51.660 I'm not happy that Israel is going out now. 0.99

00:42:53.960 There was one rocket that I guess was fired overboard.

00:42:57.340 It was after the time limit and it missed its target.

00:43:01.900 And now Israel is going out.

00:43:03.740 These guys got to calm down. 0.99

00:43:05.560 Ridiculous. 0.95

00:43:06.000 I didn't like plenty of things I saw yesterday. 0.97

00:43:08.580 I didn't like the fact that Israel unloaded right after we made the deal. 0.61

00:43:12.440 They didn't have to unload.

00:43:14.360 And I didn't like the fact that the retaliation was very strong.

00:43:18.400 But in all fairness, Israel unloaded a lot.

00:43:21.500 And now I hear Israel just went out because they felt it was violated by one rocket that

00:43:26.740 didn't land anywhere.

00:43:28.180 That's not what we want, I'll tell you.

00:43:29.980 And I'm telling you, I'm not happy about that Israel either. 1.00

00:43:32.320 I think they both violated it.

00:43:34.540 I don't think they, I'm not sure they did it intentionally.

00:43:37.200 They couldn't rein people back.

00:43:38.480 But I don't like the fact that Israel went out this morning at all. 0.87

00:43:42.160 And I'm going to see if I can stop it.

00:43:44.100 Yeah, I do.

00:43:44.840 They violated it.

00:43:45.940 But Israel violated it too. 0.67

00:43:47.660 Israel, as soon as we made the deal, they came out and they dropped a load of bombs,

00:43:51.800 the likes of which I've never seen before.

00:43:53.820 The biggest load that we've seen.

00:43:55.480 I'm not happy with Israel. 0.99

00:43:57.260 So I'm not happy with them.

00:43:58.940 I'm not happy with Iran either. 0.99

00:44:00.620 But I'm really unhappy if Israel's going out this morning because the one rocket that

00:44:05.540 didn't land, that was shot, perhaps by mistake, that didn't land.

00:44:09.440 I'm not happy about that.

00:44:12.520 You know what?

00:44:13.420 We have, we basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that 0.99

00:44:19.000 they don't know what the fuck they're doing. 0.96

00:44:21.160 Do you understand that? 0.99

00:44:21.960 It never gets out in the voice.

00:44:26.040 There's always a good tell for him.

00:44:27.700 You're going to, you're going to miss him when he's gone.

00:44:29.880 I know this.

00:44:31.500 I love the, uh, the classic Trump overstatement that the response was the biggest response.

00:44:37.320 I've never seen anything like it.

00:44:38.980 It's like, well, it was just kind of a response.

00:44:40.620 I'm not sure about that.

00:44:42.000 Can we just be clear on that, Moynihan?

00:44:44.140 I just want to, cause like my information, this is what I think happened via Fox News and

00:44:48.680 the New York Times.

00:44:49.700 The ceasefire was about to take hold.

00:44:51.060 Five waves of missiles came at Israel before it had kicked in.

00:44:55.660 One got through the Israeli defenses and hit, hit, um, a target in an Israeli town of, uh,

00:45:02.620 called Beersheba.

00:45:04.060 Yeah.

00:45:04.920 Then that's the one that killed four people at least and injured 26 Israelis.

00:45:09.040 After that missile strike, Israeli fighter jets located the launchers that had launched those

00:45:14.580 missiles over Iran and fired on them.

00:45:17.840 Now, so far the ceasefire hasn't kicked in.

00:45:20.200 So no one's violated it though.

00:45:22.040 Not a classy move by Iran. 1.00

00:45:24.440 Later, later the ceasefire is four hours old and the IDF says two Iranian missiles flew into the north of Israel, but that they were intercepted with no injuries.

00:45:37.680 Iran is denying that they were the ones who launched those missiles.

00:45:40.400 But Israeli intel is usually pretty good on who's firing the rockets at them.

00:45:44.620 Okay.

00:45:44.760 So I think when Trump's, when Trump says they, they, they, and they dropped a bunch of bombs, I think he's talking, I don't know what he's talking about, to be honest.

00:45:53.780 Because what then happened was Israel was flying a bunch of planes, according to the Trump tweets, uh, in retaliation.

00:46:03.260 I think they were about to drop bombs and Trump sent out a bunch of tweets saying, you better not do that.

00:46:08.760 I don't want to see that.

00:46:10.520 Um, he, from air force one, he said he spoke to Netanyahu.

00:46:14.240 Um, and he said, he told Netanyahu, bring back those military aircraft that Trump indicated were on the verge of attacking Iran.

00:46:21.900 He also declared that the last thing on Iran's mind now is a nuclear weapon.

00:46:25.420 And then you had a Trump tweet at 728 AM today saying Israel is not going to attack Iran.

00:46:32.060 All planes will turn around and head home while doing a friendly plane wave to Iran.

00:46:39.880 Nobody will be hurt.

00:46:41.300 The ceasefire is in effect.

00:46:43.100 Thank you for your attention to this matter.

00:46:45.060 Donald J.

00:46:45.540 Trump, president of the United States.

00:46:46.760 Go ahead, Moynihan.

00:46:48.460 Thank you for your attention to this matter.

00:46:51.000 It's the greatest punctuation of that ever.

00:46:54.040 Yeah.

00:46:54.380 Look, to what we were saying before, there's obviously some serious telegraphing going on here.

00:46:59.220 God knows what was said in that call between Trump and Netanyahu.

00:47:04.180 I mean, we all know the relationship that Obama and Netanyahu had, which was incredibly bad, particularly when Netanyahu came and addressed Congress.

00:47:12.620 It all sort of fell apart after that.

00:47:14.920 It had already been tattered before.

00:47:17.020 But the relationship that the two of these guys have, we're going to wait for the reporting and for the historians in a couple of years on this because it seems, you know, not the easiest one.

00:47:27.160 It seems contentious because Trump is a huge personality and knows what he wants and usually gets it, and particularly in foreign affairs.

00:47:35.720 And so you see these people out there that drive me absolutely bananas and say, oh, look, America's B2s are in the air.

00:47:42.360 Israel controls American foreign policy. 0.68

00:47:44.720 Israel does not control American foreign policy.

00:47:46.900 And this is, you know, I think not proof of that in Trump saying go turn around.

00:47:51.660 If that happened, I imagine it's very likely that it did.

00:47:55.880 I do, though, very much disagree with the idea that, well, Iran did this, but Israel shouldn't have responded. 0.62

00:48:03.280 What the Israelis do is when they launch those missiles and, you know, four people killed in Beersheba and, you know, buildings destroyed and lots of people grievously injured, too, 0.81

00:48:13.440 is that they respond because they can very quickly target where those are coming from, and then they blow up those missile launchers, which I think is a completely fair thing to do.

00:48:24.660 So I think that what's happening here is Trump is rounding on the Israelis when it seems to me and to any, you know, observer, as you said, Fox.

00:48:32.860 I read both the Fox and the New York Times account, Wall Street Journal on the account of this, too, which seems like you're telling of this from multiple sources seems to be what happened.

00:48:40.860 But I think he's being not very charitable to the Israelis, but I suspect there's something else going on here that we don't know about,

00:48:46.920 that he's trying to, you know, put Netanyahu in a very particular position.

00:48:52.180 Maybe it's a broader thing.

00:48:53.220 Again, this is total speculation, a broader thing that, like, you know, because they were resistant.

00:48:57.200 Both sides were resistant to the ceasefire.

00:48:58.760 It wasn't as if everybody came to the table.

00:49:00.300 They had a round of negotiations in, you know, UAE or Oman or something.

00:49:03.980 This was kind of a diktat from Trump.

00:49:06.100 So there might be some sort of difficulty about what this entails.

00:49:09.920 And this is him firing a warning shot at the Israelis, because when it comes to how they responded, I don't think they responded in an unreasonable way at all.

00:49:19.940 Yeah.

00:49:20.120 When he says they came out, Israel, as soon as we made the deal, they came out and they dropped a load of bombs, the likes of which I've never seen before. 0.88

00:49:27.340 The biggest load we've seen.

00:49:28.960 I'm not happy with Israel. 0.99

00:49:30.060 I don't know what he's talking about, because what Israel did is they responded to the to the one that had been launched in Beersheba and in the way that we just discussed.

00:49:41.360 And then they were about to respond to the possibly errant being very charitable to missiles that had been intercepted post ceasefire.

00:49:51.680 But then Trump said they didn't actually do it.

00:49:54.000 He got the planes to turn around after his conversation with Bibi. 0.70

00:49:56.920 So, I mean, I don't exactly know what Trump is referring to there, but I'll say this.

00:50:00.960 I have 28 seconds till the break last night.

00:50:03.460 You know, we do a.m. update the morning podcast that we drop, which is news headlines for the audience.

00:50:09.100 And we I mean, we went back and forth hour after hour.

00:50:12.480 We met again to update a.m. update because it was like the Iranians agree there's a ceasefire.

00:50:17.560 The Iranians just told CNN there is no ceasefire.

00:50:20.320 Oh, wait, no, they say there is a ceasefire.

00:50:21.740 All the Iranian TV is reporting.

00:50:23.800 There's no ceasefire.

00:50:24.420 It was like, oh, my God, that we put we put it to bed.

00:50:26.860 There is a ceasefire.

00:50:27.640 We wake up, of course, it's like everyone's violated the ceasefire.

00:50:30.200 OK, so it's not going that well.

00:50:32.200 All right.

00:50:32.500 Stand by.

00:50:33.160 Got to take a quick break.

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00:51:46.040 So, guys, Emily Jashinsky launched her MK Media show last night after party with Emily, which has like a fun bonus of sounding kind of naughty, but it's totally above board.

00:52:01.140 Anyway, she launched it last night.

00:52:03.680 It's live on YouTube at 10 p.m.

00:52:06.260 two nights a week.

00:52:07.120 And her inaugural guest was Tucker Carlson.

00:52:11.140 And it's a great time to get Tucker Carlson.

00:52:13.460 Of course, he's in the news every day because he's in the interesting position of being one of Trump's main supporters and yet very, very critical of really all war.

00:52:24.160 But this one, yes, including and had tried to talk Trump out of it to the point where Trump, when I was on vacation last week, referred to him as kooky Tucker Carlson and then made a shot of like, well, if he's going to credit something like.

00:52:38.500 What does he have to say? He should he should go buy a television network so somebody would listen to him, maybe somebody would listen to him, something like very cutting.

00:52:45.960 I was like, whoa.

00:52:46.920 And then they talked and Trump says Tucker apologized to him for going a little hard on him.

00:52:55.800 And so I don't know what exactly happened.

00:52:57.720 I haven't spoken to either one of them.

00:53:00.100 But Tucker's been under a lot of fire from people who now say, and on top of all that, you were wrong because Trump nailed it.

00:53:07.300 And so all your doom and gloom predictions were wrong.

00:53:09.700 Again, like just don't make predictions either way in the Middle East, like don't say his doom and gloom predictions were wrong.

00:53:15.500 It's only been about two minutes and don't don't say they were right.

00:53:20.420 Like, let's just just don't predict anything in the Middle East.

00:53:23.420 Like that's that's a golden rule.

00:53:26.080 Anyway, he went on with Emily and they had a couple of interesting discussions.

00:53:31.540 Let me give you the overall in which he responded to some of the attacks he's been facing from guys like he had an extraordinary interview with Ted Cruz, which I highly recommend you listen to.

00:53:40.460 Very entertaining on a number of levels.

00:53:42.020 And he's been fighting with Mark Levin of Fox News.

00:53:46.220 Anyway, take a listen to Sot 11.

00:53:48.400 I don't really care what people think of me at this point.

00:53:50.840 I'm 56.

00:53:52.120 You were wrong.

00:53:53.200 Well, yeah, I've been wrong many, many times.

00:53:56.080 I'll be wrong many, many more times.

00:53:57.940 But the one thing I am is sincere.

00:54:00.000 I really mean it.

00:54:00.780 I don't care about the effect on me.

00:54:02.240 I just I don't want to relive Iraq. 1.00

00:54:04.720 And I know the people who did it.

00:54:06.040 I've lived among them.

00:54:07.120 I defended it.

00:54:08.020 I repeated their talking, but not doing that again. 0.97

00:54:09.760 And we came really close to doing that again because of Mark Levin and Laura Loomer and the rest of these morons who've never even left New Jersey. 0.98

00:54:17.060 Like they don't know anything about the world. 0.99

00:54:18.120 That's the other thing. 1.00

00:54:18.600 They're dumb. 1.00

00:54:19.560 They don't know. 1.00

00:54:19.980 They don't know the population of Iran.

00:54:22.900 They don't know anything.

00:54:23.960 They don't know the nations that border it.

00:54:25.480 They just don't know anything.

00:54:26.740 And I'm not making an argument for expertise or having been there, but I am making an argument for being responsible when you demand that the U.S. military do certain things.

00:54:37.800 Because we were just in a crisis for a week, we saw who people are.

00:54:41.500 We saw what they cared about.

00:54:43.460 And I've got nothing against Ted Cruz personally.

00:54:46.140 I feel sorry for Ted Cruz.

00:54:47.120 He's obviously a totally hollow person taking instructions, but I do think we learned this is not someone who should be influencing wars because he just doesn't know anything.

00:54:58.500 He doesn't care.

00:54:59.260 And he's not putting America's interests anywhere near the top of his priorities.

00:55:04.200 Okay, so that's Tucker on Ted Cruz.

00:55:09.800 By the way, she's on at 10 p.m. on Mondays and Wednesdays, so you can check her out tomorrow night.

00:55:15.460 She's got Rand Paul, who's one of the detractors that the president's seeing on this front in the U.S. Senate.

00:55:21.620 So what do you make of what's unfolded within the Republican Party over the past 10 days or so?

00:55:27.580 I just think it's really, you know, it's kind of a low blow from Tucker to assume that Ted Cruz has dual loyalty with Canada.

00:55:34.700 Just because a guy is born there doesn't really mean taking instructions in the great white north.

00:55:41.060 I'm 56 too, Tucker, and I don't care what anybody thinks either.

00:55:45.400 And also, if I had done what he did in Moscow, I wouldn't be telling people, like accusing people of not having been to a place.

00:55:54.500 Very, very far.

00:55:56.820 The grocery store?

00:55:58.600 Moynihan will point.

00:56:00.680 Yeah, the grocery store, the subway is the cleanest in the world.

00:56:04.200 It makes you feel like America's dirty and bad.

00:56:07.240 Russia is bigger than the nicest grocery store in Moscow.

00:56:12.460 And also, there's a comparative dollar.

00:56:14.140 There's just a whole bunch of stone obvious things that he could have learned from his father.

00:56:17.640 I do.

00:56:18.240 I've got to just say quickly.

00:56:19.500 I'm going to give you back.

00:56:20.640 Just flying in the JFK on the way home.

00:56:23.460 It's Calcutta. 0.97

00:56:24.940 It's disgusting. 1.00

00:56:26.060 It's mad. 0.93

00:56:26.560 It does make you want to say, like, why?

00:56:28.820 Why are we so bad at this?

00:56:30.120 Sorry.

00:56:30.340 Go ahead.

00:56:31.760 No, Moynihan will tell the story about Steve Bannon that I think is interesting.

00:56:35.260 I think the bottom line is that Trump is correct when he says, at least as a matter of politics, that MAGA is whatever he says it is.

00:56:42.800 It's not whatever Tucker Carlson says.

00:56:44.500 I'm actually heartened that some people, like Tucker, even though I disagree with him about many, many things, I enjoyed his Ted Cruz interview.

00:56:52.500 You're right.

00:56:52.800 People should seek it out.

00:56:54.100 Like, the exchanges were valuable, as was just the spirit of them from both sides.

00:56:58.500 Like, just going at each other.

00:57:00.080 There should be more exchanges like that.

00:57:01.620 I think it was a useful thing.

00:57:02.860 And I'm heartened that there are people who have been MAGA who are bummed out by this use of U.S. military force.

00:57:12.260 At least they're hewing to some amount of principle.

00:57:14.800 I think among the broader pro-Trump and also Republican electorate, I think Trump will be broadly correct as a matter of politics.

00:57:20.820 But I know Moynihan's been following Steve Bannon on this, among other things, for a while.

00:57:24.780 Well, I like what you said.

00:57:26.000 I think that's right, too.

00:57:27.000 I think it's it's to Tucker's credit that he didn't abandon what appears to be a sincerely held belief of his just because his friend got elected.

00:57:34.600 He voted for him and wanted it and disagrees with him on this.

00:57:36.720 Like, it would be worse if he just suddenly said, OK, all that stuff I was saying, forget about it.

00:57:43.140 Like, that would be that would be a lot of this week as well.

00:57:47.060 Yeah, we absolutely have.

00:57:48.280 I mean, look, I can I understand the Tulsi's of the world and the J.D. 0.96

00:57:52.460 Vance's of the world who I think probably secretly share Tucker's beliefs.

00:57:55.680 I'm going along because they they're in the administration like what there there's no option.

00:58:01.940 You can't be out there as the vice president being like, this is so wrong. 0.91

00:58:05.440 God, this is like that would be absolutely foolheaded. 0.79

00:58:08.180 But anyway, go ahead. Go ahead, Moynihan. 0.91

00:58:09.680 I want to hear your statement.

00:58:10.260 Yeah, I think that's I think that's right.

00:58:11.900 I think that J.D. Vance probably is much closer to Tucker than he's letting on.

00:58:16.520 I think that also those people in the MAGA universe as commentators and people who make a good deal of money off of it.

00:58:24.100 A lot of them, no naming any names, have softened their very isolationist rhetoric when Trump did this and said, well, I guess he must be right.

00:58:34.340 I think a lot of it's about about audience capture, but I will agree with Matt and I disagree with Tucker on a lot of things, almost everything these days.

00:58:43.900 But I do appreciate the fact that he doesn't back down and say, well, you know, MAGA is MAGA and he's the one, as he said, who decides MAGA.

00:58:51.480 So I'm going to I'm going to carry water for whatever he does.

00:58:54.400 I think he's wrong.

00:58:55.180 I love the fact that Tucker's always like Ted Cruz is and it doesn't matter who it is.

00:58:59.300 Like Ted Cruz is a nice guy. 1.00

00:59:00.340 He's a, you know, hollow eyed devil who's an idiot. 1.00

00:59:03.560 But like he doesn't always say that, which I totally and it'll be like, he's a friend of mine. 1.00

00:59:07.880 Is that is actually a friend of mine?

00:59:10.580 He's like Jeffrey Epstein and probably a Nazi, but whatever. 0.81

00:59:14.180 People are friends.

00:59:15.800 No, he didn't say that.

00:59:16.740 I said that.

00:59:17.280 But like and also like Matt, I think that it was a good interview because when Tucker's the problem with Tucker's show has been it's been so many people since he left Fox.

00:59:31.700 It's just been kind of an echo chamber of this is what I think MAGA should be.

00:59:35.060 This is kind of my version of the MAGA ideology and it's a bit of an echo chamber.

00:59:39.120 So to see him in that combative role, I don't want to ever agree with Ted Cruz.

00:59:44.580 I'm not a fan of his at all.

00:59:45.640 But also, I think that it was actually people had that interview a bit wrong because the clip that was played and they put it out before where Ted Cruz didn't know the exact or he didn't he didn't offer any population number.

00:59:58.240 I think you, by the way, you can say that Iran shouldn't have a nuclear bomb and think they have 50 million people rather than 92 million people.

01:00:04.180 I don't think it's the real knockout punch that people thought it was.

01:00:07.440 But the entire interview is actually quite good.

01:00:09.600 I mean, they they they gave it as good to each other.

01:00:12.380 It was very hostile in certain places.

01:00:13.740 It was certainly very enlightening.

01:00:15.520 And I encourage Tucker to do more of those in fewer people he agrees with, because I get kind of bored by the echo chamber stuff.

01:00:23.000 And I think he's very, very good when he's debating people.

01:00:26.380 So but it's very funny to listen to him be like, you know, oh, really?

01:00:29.960 That's what you think?

01:00:30.440 And then Ted Cruz goes a little less snark.

01:00:34.240 And Tucker goes, yeah.

01:00:35.020 Yeah, I was like sitting across from somebody like fighting at a restaurant.

01:00:42.400 I was like, oh, this is getting interesting now.

01:00:43.880 Listen.

01:00:44.680 But the thing about it, I think, is also this fracturing of the MAGA movement is if you look at Donald Trump's true social feed in the past 24 hours, you would you would see somebody who most of people, these people, including Tucker, would probably call a neocon.

01:00:59.420 I mean, oh, my God, Moynihan, did you see what just just my producers just sent this to me, including Jeb Bush?

01:01:08.800 Yes.

01:01:09.460 Jeb Bush put out a tweet saying President Trump's decision to neutralize Iran's regime's nuclear program is a watershed moment.

01:01:18.580 It reasserts U.S. strength, restores deterrence, sends an unmistakable message to rogue regimes.

01:01:23.460 The era of impunity is over.

01:01:25.100 My full statement here.

01:01:26.320 And then Trump retweeted it saying thank you to Jeb Bush.

01:01:30.580 Very much appreciated, which is like.

01:01:34.800 If some of you out there listening in Megyn Kelly land or getting your political education, I don't remember 2016.

01:01:41.980 Go watch those exchanges between Donald Trump and Jeb Bush, where he is absolutely hammering him, particularly on the Iraq war and his brother.

01:01:49.900 But this is the interesting thing about Trump.

01:01:52.140 No one should be surprised by this.

01:01:53.380 Who in Trump's cabinet, first time around, this time around, has not, including J.D.

01:01:58.460 Vance, called him like Hitler?

01:02:00.220 And he does not care.

01:02:01.720 He's like, if you're on my side now, great.

01:02:03.880 We're good.

01:02:04.080 He does not.

01:02:04.480 I mean, one of his great qualities is that he doesn't hold these endless grudges, which I think is pretty, pretty fascinating.

01:02:10.980 But he also tweeted this guy, this young American Jewish Instagram stars, like a pro-Israel guy, like humiliating this woman in a keffiyeh at like a pro-Palestine protest.

01:02:24.140 That's something that you would be like, you know, I know, Megyn, you listen to, skeptically listen to and like the guys at the commentary podcast.

01:02:31.180 That's something that those guys would retweet.

01:02:33.420 And I saw that on Trump's Truth Social today.

01:02:36.320 There's a lot of stuff there that if you took that from all the people who have been trying to direct MAGA, like this, I think, and one final thing, not to go on too long, but there's two types of this.

01:02:46.300 There's people who believe this is what MAGA is, and there are people who are trying to direct MAGA.

01:02:51.440 I think that's what Trump, that's what Tucker does.

01:02:53.840 But there's a lot of people that say like, oh, he never, you know, no foreign wars.

01:02:57.680 That's not what he's interested in.

01:02:58.820 It's like, I think that's a fundamental misunderstanding of Trump and how Trump views American power.

01:03:05.800 He does not want to start new foreign wars.

01:03:08.180 He does not want an Iraq situation. 1.00

01:03:09.920 But that does not mean that he's going to, you know, let's dismantle the B2s. 1.00

01:03:13.460 Let's put all this stuff away.

01:03:14.280 We don't need it.

01:03:15.020 We have no business anywhere in the world.

01:03:16.640 That's not how he sees the world.

01:03:18.120 In the first administration, they went after Syria.

01:03:20.860 They, 75 Tomahawk missiles into Syria.

01:03:23.840 Yeah, it wasn't a huge war, but this was not, this was not some, you know, peacenik.

01:03:28.020 They killed Soleimani.

01:03:29.420 And that was at the same time going to usher in the hell that all these people expected.

01:03:34.340 I mean, Tucker said that this might, and again, we have to wait on this, that this will probably

01:03:37.900 result in thousands of American deaths.

01:03:41.160 So, I mean, I think Tucker is trying to directionally push MAGA somewhere.

01:03:45.380 And I think he's had some success at that, but it kind of falling apart at the moment.

01:03:48.520 And I think that there's other people who believe that MAGA has always been a kind of

01:03:53.100 Lindbergh, Taft, old school Republican isolationist movement, which it isn't.

01:03:57.580 It just simply isn't.

01:03:58.720 The evidence doesn't show that.

01:04:00.360 I have to say, I know Tucker's against what's happening in the Middle East right now, and

01:04:04.500 I understand it.

01:04:05.260 He was right about Ukraine. 0.97

01:04:07.820 Tucker was right about Ukraine. 1.00

01:04:09.340 He took a lot of heat.

01:04:10.400 That war has been lost for a long time.

01:04:12.660 It's been stuck in this unsolvable intransigence, and it needs to be ended.

01:04:17.800 Trump's not wrong.

01:04:18.980 There's just so much death on both sides.

01:04:22.040 It just, we need to admit reality.

01:04:24.600 I know you guys may feel differently, but I think Tucker was right about Ukraine and deserves, 0.99

01:04:28.940 yeah, but I think he deserves a fair listen on his predictions, though.

01:04:33.040 Again, don't make predictions about the Middle East, because it's just folly for anybody. 0.95

01:04:35.780 What do you guys make of it?

01:04:36.580 Because it's not just Tucker.

01:04:37.600 He's now warring with Laura Loomer, who's, you know, she's been out there attacking him,

01:04:43.380 and he fought back, but Tucker and Levin are really, really going at it.

01:04:50.020 He's both as good as they get it, and that is like, and then they both, not only do they

01:04:55.740 argue their points when it comes to Israel, then they both one-up each other on whether

01:05:00.960 they actually love Trump.

01:05:03.820 You know, like Levin's bringing up those texts that were unearthed from Tucker that he sent

01:05:08.700 somebody within Fox News after the election in 2020 when he lost, saying, I can't stand

01:05:14.520 Trump and I can't wait until we can't, we don't have to talk about him every night.

01:05:17.080 Something for which I think Tucker did apologize to Trump.

01:05:19.440 They made up.

01:05:19.920 They definitely talked about those texts and Tucker explained them, and Trump was fine

01:05:23.300 with everything.

01:05:24.040 Anyway, you know, you can see these two factions of the Republican Party, Matt, really fighting.

01:05:28.680 And the one that thought it had Trump is not winning, and the ones who hated Trump and were

01:05:37.520 brought along kicking and screaming to vote for him over Kamala Harris are doing okay.

01:05:43.180 They've had a couple setbacks.

01:05:44.440 They'd like regime change, but they're, I mean, I heard my friends over at National Review

01:05:49.140 praising Trump in a way I, and commentary too.

01:05:53.420 I try to get my news from everybody, so I have all sides represented.

01:05:56.920 And it's been amazing to hear, like, the more dejected side that thought they had Trump

01:06:02.700 as their isolationist buddy in their tone, and then, like, the guys at commentary, like

01:06:07.980 Cotton Eddie, he's on commentary. 0.99

01:06:09.520 Like, they're elated.

01:06:11.380 Rich Lowry, who I love, he's actually been fair to Trump, but he has a piece right now

01:06:14.900 up on National Review called President Badass.

01:06:17.260 I mean, it's like, something's happening.

01:06:19.960 Let's remember, though, that, you know, this is the same Trump who, was it two months ago?

01:06:24.940 We certainly talked about on the show with you, Megan, was in Saudi Arabia, and he gave

01:06:29.380 a speech that that exact same crew, the Continental Wing, was not so happy with, where he called

01:06:36.080 neocons out by name on foreign soil in Saudi Arabia, which I think, last time I looked, was

01:06:41.740 the country from which 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9-11 came from.

01:06:47.260 And he used that as an opportunity to denounce the Bush family and the neocon wars and the

01:06:51.500 nation-building and all of this, and saying that we are not sitting in judgment of all

01:06:54.500 of you.

01:06:54.820 We just want peace and et cetera.

01:06:56.320 So there is always, you know, it's the whims of one very politically talented and interesting

01:07:02.660 person.

01:07:03.640 But when you do what you kind of understandably want, Megan, which is to tell Congress to go

01:07:09.760 take a long walk off a short pier, you end up with one man deciding what things are.

01:07:15.460 And that man's win, depending on who he last talked to.

01:07:20.980 So yes, it's a good day to be an artist formerly known as a neocon. 0.52

01:07:26.340 But I predict that in the sooner rather than later future, that group of people, there's

01:07:32.400 not going to be a lot of Jeb exclamation point tweets in favor of Trump as he drops more

01:07:38.280 F-bombs at Bibi Netanyahu.

01:07:39.740 As he says, look, this ceasefire is the most important thing, which is not what the most

01:07:44.140 important thing is for Israel at all, as they figure out who gets to control the airspace 0.80

01:07:48.560 under what terms, what America is going to allow and not allow in terms of the use of

01:07:54.180 the American supplied weapons and network systems, which, you know, Israel needs American

01:07:59.020 tacit support for.

01:08:01.180 I think we're going to be seeing a lot of different versions of what Trump's Middle East

01:08:06.260 foreign policy is going to be and pushing for expanding the Abraham Accords into countries

01:08:11.140 and doing, you know, making deals with countries in order to do that.

01:08:14.560 And I think the Abraham Accords was a great triumph in his in his first administration 0.98

01:08:18.400 among the handful of the best things that that happened under him.

01:08:21.800 So what does it mean now?

01:08:23.060 Who gets next?

01:08:23.840 And under what conditions?

01:08:25.400 What is what kind of deals are America is America going to do with Saudi Arabia to get

01:08:29.020 them into the Abraham Accords?

01:08:30.360 I think Commentary Magazine might not be as stoked a couple of months.

01:08:34.260 They might not love that.

01:08:35.280 Yeah.

01:08:35.400 So you say they're going to be upset as he drops more F bombs on Netanyahu and the corollary

01:08:40.560 is fewer actual bombs on Iran.

01:08:43.660 So that's probably the future.

01:08:45.880 Camille, what do you make of it?

01:08:46.800 Because I do think the internal war on the right is interesting.

01:08:51.400 Of course, the left is loving it.

01:08:53.160 They're bathing in it.

01:08:54.180 They're rubbing it all over themselves.

01:08:55.720 They love the war.

01:08:57.200 I don't know.

01:08:57.980 I think it's healthy to have these these debates.

01:09:00.080 I don't think they need to get super personal and nasty.

01:09:02.460 Um, I'm not sure why they always have a tendency to do that, but I find it really fascinating

01:09:07.780 to listen to the different positions that I would look.

01:09:10.500 There's always a few exceptions who are just nutcases or out there saying like, you should

01:09:15.260 be impeached over this. 0.98

01:09:16.480 And then there's the people who always go to how evil the Jews are like those people. 0.95

01:09:20.640 I just write off and I try not to even mention them. 0.95

01:09:22.680 It's not worth it.

01:09:23.480 But like mainstream, smart, invested, America loving commentators are interesting to me.

01:09:29.780 You know, they're interesting to me.

01:09:31.040 And I think we're learning from like the Tucker Ted debate, the Tucker Levin debate now.

01:09:37.420 Um, and some of the back and forth we've seen on X from lesser known players, but probably

01:09:42.300 everybody who you, you know, everybody on this screen knows.

01:09:44.760 Yeah.

01:09:45.220 I think since the beginning of this administration, there's always been a lot of questions about

01:09:49.400 how this very diverse cast of characters manages to get along with each other over the

01:09:54.160 long run.

01:09:54.640 Um, and we certainly saw a lot of this, um, consternation around the Elon Musk fallout,

01:10:00.500 um, and the just broader kind of tech bro faction of MAGA, which is a third kind of element

01:10:05.900 of the story that a moment ago, we were talking a lot about that things quieted down.

01:10:10.480 And now we have the kind of foreign policy tensions that have, that have come to the forefront.

01:10:14.740 Um, as, as Welch pointed out, the fact that the president can give a speech that seems

01:10:21.160 to point in one clear direction and then take an action that points in what seems to be

01:10:26.180 the polar opposite direction makes it hard for any of these factions to think that they

01:10:30.280 own him completely.

01:10:31.200 It probably does.

01:10:32.640 I think, um, make people a little more reluctant to imagine that they can push the cart in one

01:10:38.960 direction or another.

01:10:39.600 So it'll be interesting to see if there's another opportunity for say Tucker Carlson to 1.00

01:10:43.880 have to take a position publicly that is in sort of strident opposition to the president.

01:10:49.020 I think a lot of Republicans have kind of had to hold their nose while supporting certain

01:10:53.520 things like the great big beautiful bill, which, you know, is supposed to curtail spending,

01:10:57.180 but also it contains a hell of a lot of spending.

01:10:59.440 It doesn't really seem to be curtailing it.

01:11:01.740 Um, it's, it's been interesting to see how they've had to navigate all of these different

01:11:05.200 tensions and how they've managed to survive them, um, unscathed.

01:11:09.480 Certainly if the current circumstance with Iran and Israel, if that manages to hold, that's 0.95

01:11:14.920 great.

01:11:15.220 Um, it certainly seems like we've, uh, kind of insulated ourselves from any kind of potential

01:11:20.540 fallout from the strike, at least in the short run.

01:11:23.260 Um, but had things been protracted a bit longer, um, had there been more, uh, kind of looming

01:11:29.520 questions about whether or not the United States would get deep, more deeply involved, then

01:11:33.420 perhaps, um, there'd be even more tension.

01:11:35.700 But at the moment they seem to be weathering this storm, um, and the folks are falling back

01:11:40.760 in line and I suspect that'll probably continue to be the case, um, irrespective of what happens

01:11:46.080 going forward.

01:11:46.980 Well, we'll see.

01:11:48.000 I'm sure there'll be polling out any day now on, on how Trump's doing.

01:11:50.620 Going into this, like, you know, like last Friday, he was, I think at 56%.

01:11:55.140 He's crushing it in the polls right now, higher than Obama was at this point in his term.

01:11:59.660 He's definitely higher than Biden.

01:12:01.160 Like his approval ratings have been extremely strong, higher than they ever were for Trump.

01:12:04.640 So, um, we'll see whether this is increased or decreased the numbers.

01:12:08.720 I think it's going to increase, even though people are not in favor of war with Iran and

01:12:14.420 in advance of the dropping of the bomb, we're not in favor of dropping the bomb.

01:12:18.260 So, but Trump is so transparent about everything.

01:12:20.540 And I think it's going to go well.

01:12:22.440 I just want to say one other thing.

01:12:24.040 The Jeb Bush thing is, I have a personal connection to this because when he was running

01:12:30.520 for president against Trump in 1516, he gave me his first interview.

01:12:35.920 I believe we were at Liberty University and, um, we sat down and I asked him knowing what

01:12:43.220 we know now, would you have authorized the invasion of Iraq?

01:12:46.920 Like your brother did.

01:12:48.980 And he said, yes, and didn't say that, you know, it was a mistake.

01:12:54.420 And I mean, I, I, many people would later say at that point, he, his, his candidacy was

01:13:02.720 killed in its crib because that was the wrong answer by 2016.

01:13:07.220 It was very clear to most Americans by 2016 that the Iraq war was a mistake and that it

01:13:12.800 shouldn't have been undertaken anyway.

01:13:14.720 So then he went out on the presidential debate stage and Trump, you know, this outsider comes

01:13:18.840 in from nowhere and starts hammering him on it.

01:13:23.980 You shouldn't, you couldn't say it was a mistake.

01:13:25.860 It was an obvious mistake.

01:13:27.440 And Jeb Bush was really caught there because he'd given me that terrible answer, which he

01:13:31.160 tried to clarify a couple of days later saying he'd misunderstood me, even though the question

01:13:34.780 was super clear and, um, it's his brother's war.

01:13:37.620 So he doesn't want to throw him under the bus and it's Trump.

01:13:40.080 So no one wanted to bend the knee to him and say this outside weird guy with a weird hair,

01:13:43.820 he's right.

01:13:44.500 And I'm wrong.

01:13:44.940 And my brother was wrong.

01:13:45.500 So it was like, it was totally fraught.

01:13:47.600 Obviously the war in Iraq was a big fat mistake. 0.82

01:13:53.440 All right.

01:13:54.200 Now you can take it any way you want.

01:13:55.940 And it took, it took Jeb Bush.

01:13:58.520 If you remember at the beginning of his announcement, when he announced for president, took him five

01:14:02.820 days, he went back.

01:14:04.000 It was a mistake.

01:14:04.980 It wasn't a mistake.

01:14:05.960 Took him five days before his people told him what to say.

01:14:09.640 And he ultimately said it was a mistake.

01:14:12.220 The war in Iraq, we spent $2 trillion, thousands of lives.

01:14:16.040 We don't even have it.

01:14:17.580 Iran is taking over Iraq with the second largest oil reserves in the world.

01:14:21.820 Obviously it was a mistake.

01:14:23.080 I could care less about the insults that Donald Trump gives to me.

01:14:27.120 It's blood sport for him.

01:14:28.380 He enjoys it.

01:14:28.960 And I'm glad he's happy about it.

01:14:30.400 But I am sick and tired of him going after my family.

01:14:35.280 While Donald Trump was building a reality TV show, my brother was building a security apparatus

01:14:41.720 to keep us safe.

01:14:42.740 And I'm proud of what he did.

01:14:47.680 He's had the gall to go after my mother.

01:14:49.120 The World Trade Center came down during your brother's reign.

01:14:52.000 Remember that.

01:14:52.900 He's had the gall to go after my mother.

01:14:54.440 That's not keeping us safe.

01:14:55.300 And that really helped propel Donald Trump, that debate and him hammering Jeb Bush straight

01:15:02.520 to the nomination and then the presidency.

01:15:04.060 So it is kind of a remarkable full circle moment now to see Jeb Bush praising Trump for

01:15:10.540 an aggressive military action in the Middle East and Trump accepting the compliment and,

01:15:16.160 you know, sort of glad handing with now what is clearly a high energy Jeb.

01:15:20.780 And where was that debate?

01:15:22.800 It's important to point out it was in South Carolina, a big military state of all places

01:15:27.840 to go after the Bush family, to go after John McCain.

01:15:30.860 You're going to do it in South Carolina.

01:15:32.340 And Trump said, yes, F yes.

01:15:36.320 I think that one of the things that annoys me most about some of these debates is the, 0.98

01:15:41.580 you know, endless stupid use of the word neocon, which suggests that anyone who wants 0.98

01:15:48.500 to have any military action or any military response to anything is a neocon. 0.97

01:15:52.580 So I don't think there's actually, yeah, or like a warmonger or the, you know, when

01:15:58.440 Tucker's, I really disagree with him, that, you know, Mark Levin enjoys when people blow

01:16:03.240 up.

01:16:03.620 That's what his like, you know, guiding ideology is watching people die in the battlefield.

01:16:08.440 I think that this is both crazy and wrong.

01:16:11.740 And I also think that Trump like acknowledges that he can go to Saudi Arabia and denounce

01:16:17.780 neocons and neoconservatives and do what he did in Iran and actually, you know, keep

01:16:24.200 those two thoughts in his head at the same time, mostly because when Tucker is on Emily's

01:16:28.660 show and congratulations to Emily, who's great on her new show and everyone should watch and

01:16:32.380 listen.

01:16:32.580 And I think that the thing that's when he brings up Iraq, much of the way Matt did earlier

01:16:38.040 and I did too, is that, yeah, there's lessons to be learned from that, a million lessons

01:16:42.700 to be learned from that.

01:16:43.980 But I think that what, how Trump sees foreign policy as a neocon thing or not a neocon thing,

01:16:49.960 this specific thing, and again, you don't want to get into a boring definitional argument

01:16:53.400 about what a neoconservative is, but it's, it's that we can come in and, you know, create

01:16:59.160 democracy.

01:16:59.700 We can install things that people are just desperate in waiting for democratic institutions

01:17:04.460 to be created by the Americans.

01:17:06.460 What Donald Trump is saying in Iran is that we're going to blow up your nuclear facilities

01:17:11.540 that are in Fordow under a mountain.

01:17:14.440 We're not going to go in there and try to create a new parliament.

01:17:17.420 We're not going to try to come in and create elections.

01:17:19.700 I think that's a very, very-

01:17:21.160 We don't want to stay.

01:17:22.440 We don't want to stay.

01:17:23.440 We don't want to be there at all.

01:17:24.660 I mean, so the boots on the ground is the thing that Iraq is all about. 0.94

01:17:29.260 There's no threat.

01:17:30.800 I think there's a 0% chance of boots on the ground in Iran-American boots on the ground. 0.96

01:17:35.580 Totally agree.

01:17:36.740 Nobody, no Americans would, I mean, as you pointed out, it's such an important thing to

01:17:40.940 point out.

01:17:41.320 The polling suggests that people weren't psyched about this, mostly because there are a lot

01:17:45.500 of people that aren't psyched about Trump in certain ways, particularly amongst Democrats.

01:17:48.640 But if you look at the polling, and our pal Harry Enten was breaking this down the other

01:17:52.820 day, amongst, and this shows you something about the supposed split between the kind

01:17:56.940 of isolationists and the more traditional Republicans or so-called neocons, that's a

01:18:02.060 kind of Twitter debate in a lot of ways.

01:18:03.380 Because if you look at the polling that Harry showed, it was like 75% of Republicans were

01:18:08.420 on board with the strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities.

01:18:11.820 I don't know if those polls, how accurate they are, if they'll stay, but it suggests

01:18:17.240 that the people that are not interested in neoconservatism, not interested in American

01:18:22.040 adventurers in the broad, or installing new governments, are okay with what Trump did,

01:18:27.480 because Trump isn't acting like a neoconservative in that traditional sense that we can overthrow.

01:18:32.600 And he doesn't sound like one. 0.98

01:18:34.140 Like, you'd know if he were.

01:18:35.700 You'd have a different feel.

01:18:37.000 He's just so direct on everything.

01:18:39.060 He doesn't try to hide anything.

01:18:41.140 It's like Hannity said to me many years ago, the problem with Trump is not that he lies

01:18:44.500 too much.

01:18:44.960 It's that he tells the truth.

01:18:46.300 Like, it's all out there, just, you know, good, bad, or ugly for the beholder.

01:18:50.300 And he's been retweeting Hannity all day.

01:18:52.400 And Hannity is the one in the kind of Tucker universe who's, you know, one of the bad guys

01:18:57.640 at Fox who's pushing for war.

01:18:59.300 And Trump has been retweeting, retruthing, whatever you say, his stuff in the past 24 hours.

01:19:04.940 So it tells you something.

01:19:05.860 Um, okay.

01:19:07.660 We have to talk about the mayoral race and there's another thing we have to talk about

01:19:11.480 what's happened with the Supreme court.

01:19:12.480 I really hope I can get this in there. 0.97

01:19:13.500 It's this crazy ass Boston judge tries to defy the U S Supreme court. 1.00

01:19:16.960 He's about to get his ass handed to him. 0.99

01:19:19.160 Um, so I'll do them in that order because I really want to get to the mural thing and 0.99

01:19:23.900 that the other one can hold if we needed to.

01:19:26.340 First of all, is it 110 degrees in New York city today?

01:19:30.500 It is 170 degrees.

01:19:34.280 And because of your audience, I want them to be happy.

01:19:37.280 And I don't want them to hear the, the zooming and the buzzing of the, of the air conditioner.

01:19:41.680 So I am literally in like a Finnish hot, like it's the, I've never been as hot as I am right

01:19:47.380 now.

01:19:47.920 So if I say that we should bomb, you know, Alaska, just 110 degrees in New York.

01:19:53.760 It's unbelievable.

01:19:54.340 It's so hot here down at the beach.

01:19:58.340 It's a lot, it's like 10 degrees cooler and it's, I don't know, low eighties here, but

01:20:02.000 in New York, in New York, what is it today?

01:20:04.800 It says it's going to be a hundred degrees.

01:20:07.300 Go ahead, Matt.

01:20:07.960 Yeah.

01:20:08.500 And, uh, just Albert Brooks and broadcast news, you know, when he goes on.

01:20:11.940 Yes.

01:20:11.960 Flop sweat.

01:20:13.920 The little continent map is going to start to wave behind us.

01:20:18.120 Uh, it's, and it's a great day to go out and vote, uh, for people who belong to the 0.98

01:20:21.940 democratic parties.

01:20:22.660 Thank God that's not me.

01:20:24.700 Uh, but yeah, it's the democratic primary today.

01:20:26.680 I've seen pictures, uh, actual pictures of people lining up enthusiastically ahead of

01:20:31.500 time to vote.

01:20:33.220 What people need to understand about New York too, is those concrete buildings hold the

01:20:38.040 heat, right?

01:20:38.940 It's like, it's like walking next to an oven, you know, it gives off heat.

01:20:43.060 And so just be standing there waiting to vote.

01:20:45.100 And for what, for this democratic socialist, which is a nice way of softening socialist who

01:20:53.320 looks like he's going to win. 0.96

01:20:55.860 I, I, we have to talk about this crazy guy. 0.79

01:20:59.640 His name is Zoran, uh, Mo, Mo Donnie.

01:21:02.780 I keep messing up his last name.

01:21:04.780 I don't know.

01:21:05.820 Mom, Mom Donnie.

01:21:07.160 Mom Donnie.

01:21:07.920 And he, uh, is a strange man who wants a $30 minimum wage.

01:21:13.940 It's all, it's just over half that right now.

01:21:16.520 He wants a $30 minimum wage.

01:21:18.240 He wants no more police.

01:21:19.940 He wants social workers.

01:21:20.780 Instead, he wants free bus rides, which would cost almost a billion dollars, um, for New

01:21:28.400 Yorkers or somebody, I don't know who's going to pay that.

01:21:31.400 Um, he wants to make sure rent stabilized departments can't have any increase in their

01:21:36.420 rent.

01:21:37.000 Not sure who's going to pay for that either.

01:21:39.280 He wants a lot of government handouts.

01:21:41.240 He basically, uh, when it comes to police and law and justice, it looks like Chesa

01:21:45.700 Boudin, the booted out of office DA in San Francisco.

01:21:49.820 And when it comes to his philosophy on running a city, when it comes to, uh, cops and social

01:21:54.200 safety net, and also just give up giveaways, he looks like, just like Brandon Johnson in

01:21:58.300 Chicago. 0.97

01:21:58.960 Uh, he's terrifying and the New York community, pathetic as it is, just rolled over and let 0.99

01:22:06.360 it have, they rolled over. 0.97

01:22:07.560 Charles Gasparino has a great piece in the post today, New York post about how these

01:22:11.080 feckless M efforts who run New York business, you know, what a town they're too afraid. 0.99

01:22:17.840 They're like, you know what?

01:22:18.580 He's probably going to win.

01:22:19.180 So I have to keep my mouth shut because I need to kiss the ring and have favors done

01:22:22.840 for me.

01:22:23.420 And this guy, according to the latest polls is steamrolling toward the W today, because

01:22:28.580 if somebody doesn't get over 50% of the vote and it's between him and Cuomo, then they

01:22:33.860 go, it's ranked choice.

01:22:35.240 So they eliminate the lowest person on the list in terms of vote, get it, vote getters

01:22:40.060 and all those people who vote for that person, their second choice gets their votes, which

01:22:45.740 could put and is predicted to put this guy over the top, this mom, Donnie and mom, Donnie

01:22:52.040 is such an odd duck.

01:22:54.260 He wasn't born here.

01:22:55.240 I think he was born in Uganda and lived there for the first seven years and then came here.

01:22:59.160 But I mean, you come to a country at age seven and now you're 33, you sound like American.

01:23:06.220 You don't sound like a Ugandan at that point.

01:23:09.140 I mean, it's been 25 years plus, but listen to him.

01:23:12.820 This hit today as he was doing an interview with, forgive me, I don't know who it was.

01:23:18.660 Looked like local news to me.

01:23:20.280 And listen to what a faker this dude is with his, he's Kamala Harris in his switcheroos,

01:23:26.800 NBC4's Melissa Russo.

01:23:28.320 Listen to this.

01:23:30.380 Because I think that New Yorkers, more than they hate a politician they disagree with,

01:23:34.200 they hate a politician they can't trust.

01:23:35.740 On the subject of trust, you've adopted different speaking accents in different scenarios.

01:23:40.480 But they go to their local bodega.

01:23:42.280 Is there one that's real and one that's affected?

01:23:45.300 What I would say is, as any immigrant knows, having been born in Kampala, Uganda, and then

01:23:50.280 raised in South Africa and moving here when I'm seven years old, is there different parts

01:23:54.040 of my life?

01:23:55.160 Worldwide tour is a worldwide tour is a worldwide tour.

01:23:57.760 Mom Donnie was talking about a worldwide press tour back when he was a rapper.

01:24:03.320 Bring the flavor to the fish, bring the flavor to the rice.

01:24:07.160 In a Disney movie directed by his mother.

01:24:11.820 Nepotism and hard work goes a long way.

01:24:14.180 Here in New York City, this is how I speak.

01:24:16.740 This is how I am.

01:24:18.280 Oh, my God.

01:24:20.740 If I switch that accent, it's a real thing.

01:24:23.960 It's a real thing.

01:24:25.000 Do you think I'd get in trouble if I did his accent?

01:24:27.500 Like, if I was, like, in different shows?

01:24:29.740 Oh, with this column.

01:24:30.140 Well, I do it on the fifth column, actually.

01:24:32.460 That's true.

01:24:33.920 Yet another reason to tune in.

01:24:35.980 The best detail of that is, like, in the rap video directed by his mother, which is really

01:24:43.240 hot tracks that are dropping.

01:24:45.760 I know Matt has a lot to say.

01:24:47.000 I'll just say quickly that it is interesting today.

01:24:50.240 As you point out, Megan, it's 40,000 degrees in New York, and it feels like Cuba, and people 0.99

01:24:56.420 are going to go vote to make it more like Cuba in almost every way, and it's, like, super

01:25:01.920 depressing.

01:25:03.460 But, yeah, you missed a few ones, like, where he suggested using empty spaces and disused

01:25:11.500 train stations, and actually, I think some that are actually used train stations, to house

01:25:16.280 the homeless, which, if you know anything about New York, and you ride the subway in New York,

01:25:21.040 as I do, know that that's not a problem.

01:25:23.840 That's already happening.

01:25:25.420 And also, the same thing is true about the free buses, because we have to make the buses

01:25:31.300 are already free.

01:25:32.080 Nobody pays for the bus in New York, and nobody pays for the subway.

01:25:35.140 And one of the great things is, like, how incompetent and feckless the government in

01:25:39.180 New York is.

01:25:39.960 They've now spent billions of dollars to have this allied international, whatever the company

01:25:45.080 is, that provides guards there who don't do anything.

01:25:49.800 They're just a guy getting paid to watch people go through the subway and not pay for it every

01:25:53.520 day.

01:25:53.800 So I don't know where they think this stuff is going to come from, where the money's going

01:25:57.440 to come from, who's going to pay for it.

01:25:58.660 Free childcare, rent freezes.

01:26:02.160 Like, this is a collection of voodoo economics that every economist on Earth knows doesn't work.

01:26:10.300 So, yeah, I mean, if they-

01:26:12.020 I have another objection.

01:26:13.280 I don't think that's a Ugandan accent, anyway.

01:26:16.460 That sounds like an Indian accent to me.

01:26:18.340 World War II, after World War II.

01:26:20.180 That's- so it's cultural appropriation on top of all the other problems.

01:26:24.840 He's also an exploiter, because remember that the Indians in Uganda, many Indians came from

01:26:29.700 Uganda, because in 1971 or 72, Idi Amin, the dictator, when he took over Uganda, kicked

01:26:34.920 all the Indians out. 1.00

01:26:35.860 And the reason being is they were about 1% of the population, and they controlled like 60% 0.87

01:26:39.540 of the wealth, because there was a huge population of Indian doctors, et cetera.

01:26:43.180 So that's why he is Indian, and he was actually born in Uganda, because in the sort of DSA,

01:26:49.160 Democratic Socialist view of the world, he was a horrible exploiter.

01:26:52.680 So, yeah, that's-

01:26:53.640 So do we have to give him a pass?

01:26:54.700 Maybe we have to give him a pass on that.

01:26:55.840 But I don't give him a pass on that, because he's an American who sounds like an American

01:26:59.880 in every other interview he gives, right?

01:27:02.520 It's only when he needs it, like Kamala Harris, have you no empathy, man, that-

01:27:07.400 It's my sorrow.

01:27:09.540 Camille, you know how to coach, Rich. 1.00

01:27:11.380 I mean-

01:27:11.800 We're having-

01:27:12.340 Well, it happens, but it doesn't usually happen in contexts where I'm doing media.

01:27:17.620 If I'm around family, and everyone has the heavy patois, I might slip into it a little

01:27:22.760 bit, but for the most part, because they will ridicule me, because I don't do it well, I

01:27:26.400 try my best to police it.

01:27:29.480 I'm usually aware of it when it's happening.

01:27:31.880 I don't make a conscious choice, but I at least know that I'm doing it.

01:27:36.100 And I don't know.

01:27:37.560 I think for both him and Kamala, you can kind of see the switch almost take place.

01:27:42.540 You know the context in which they're about to go into this particular style of oration

01:27:47.560 for persuasive purposes.

01:27:49.880 Camille, can I interrupt you?

01:27:50.860 I frown on that.

01:27:51.740 I can't deal with this lying on one of the greatest podcasts in America.

01:27:55.860 It might be true that when you are amongst your Jamaican family, you're like, oh, you 1.00

01:28:01.480 lazy, blood clot, and you do stuff like that. 0.58

01:28:03.600 Fine.

01:28:04.140 But I have seen you on the New York subway in a different situation, code switch into a

01:28:10.660 different accent.

01:28:11.640 Is that not true?

01:28:13.180 Camille Foster.

01:28:14.200 Let's hear it.

01:28:14.780 Let's hear it right now.

01:28:15.660 I know that you don't.

01:28:16.440 Yeah.

01:28:16.580 So if someone steps on your brand new Yeezy's, what are you going to say, Camille?

01:28:21.600 Well, yeah.

01:28:22.240 You want me to slip into my urban vernacular.

01:28:24.520 Yeah.

01:28:25.280 Right.

01:28:25.560 I understand.

01:28:26.140 Let's hear that.

01:28:26.600 And I do have to do that sometimes.

01:28:29.680 But that is under particular circumstances.

01:28:33.060 And it is not usually to confront someone who stepped on my shoes.

01:28:37.000 Yeah.

01:28:37.200 Sometimes it's to evade detection in circumstances.

01:28:41.740 Correct.

01:28:41.940 I would rather you not know that I'm very clean and articulate.

01:28:45.600 Yes.

01:28:46.260 Yes.

01:28:46.760 For people to call you like you are, you look like my uncle, my Uncle Thomas.

01:28:52.100 Like, for instance, when I've heard people say that.

01:28:54.020 I've heard that.

01:28:54.700 I've heard that before.

01:28:55.520 I've never met the man, but I've heard that.

01:28:56.840 You've never met the man.

01:28:57.600 Yeah.

01:28:58.020 But then you're like, yeah.

01:28:59.140 But a lot of people say you were mine now.

01:29:00.500 You were mine now.

01:29:00.520 She was voting.

01:29:01.280 Yeah.

01:29:01.880 We're cross-examining Camille.

01:29:03.320 Can we get a vote, Camille, on Mom Donnie's rapism? 0.62

01:29:07.200 How is this rhyming over there?

01:29:09.280 Well, Matt, I was watching your face.

01:29:10.880 Had you not seen the clips of him rapping before?

01:29:13.360 No.

01:29:13.620 Oh, it's so bad.

01:29:15.020 It's so bad.

01:29:15.620 But also, I will say this.

01:29:17.040 Afrobeats is kind of a big thing.

01:29:19.060 And it is interesting.

01:29:21.100 And there are great Afrobeats artists, but he is not one of them.

01:29:24.700 So it's good that he gave that career up.

01:29:27.000 It's unfortunate that he's decided to run for mayor.

01:29:30.060 Yeah, exactly.

01:29:31.120 Wait, Steve Krakauer wants us to take a look at another clip.

01:29:34.320 I don't know what it is.

01:29:34.920 Just roll it.

01:29:35.440 Let's see.

01:29:35.980 Oh, no.

01:29:37.480 Our future will not be different until we make a different choice.

01:29:42.560 We have to fill out the entire ballot and do not rank Andrew Cuomo.

01:29:48.060 New York City, we need a new day.

01:29:50.840 We deserve a chance.

01:29:52.720 A New York City that centers working people.

01:29:57.340 All these concepts are just ideas in the clouds if we do not bring them home.

01:30:03.540 Let's elect Zofra for mayor.

01:30:06.100 Leave them in the clouds.

01:30:09.000 Did you hear her doing the Obama thing? 0.65

01:30:11.080 Yeah, she's another code switcher. 1.00

01:30:12.740 Yeah.

01:30:13.220 I was waiting to see which one of those affects she was going to bring.

01:30:17.060 I expected the wise Latina, but we didn't get that in that particular ad.

01:30:20.640 But you know what?

01:30:21.200 I hate this idea of working people like the only people who work just do like jobs that

01:30:27.020 don't pay very well.

01:30:27.960 And it's like manual labor.

01:30:28.880 The rest of us don't work.

01:30:29.820 We're not working people.

01:30:31.040 But one of the things that the reason I don't know about the rapism in his code switching 0.96

01:30:36.860 is that I've been paying attention to his outrageously shitty ideas. 0.62

01:30:41.080 And one of them- 1.00

01:30:42.560 That's what makes you racist.

01:30:44.380 Yeah, well, clearly, because I don't want to give my money to the MTA to set on fire,

01:30:50.060 which they already do.

01:30:51.580 But you see guys like John Katsimatidis, who's like a perennial candidate in New York.

01:30:57.280 He has a show on, I think he owns WABC.

01:31:00.020 WABC.

01:31:00.500 And he owns, yeah, he owns Gristidi's supermarket.

01:31:03.180 He had a comment the other day, which is true.

01:31:04.860 He's been talking to his fellow rich people who definitely don't work because they're not

01:31:07.980 working people.

01:31:08.860 And about, particularly in like the financial services industry, this stuff is portable,

01:31:13.860 man.

01:31:14.480 They don't have, they don't have shops.

01:31:16.420 They don't have like, you know, we have a store on the corner.

01:31:18.760 Can we move?

01:31:19.340 Like they can move to Miami as so many people during-

01:31:22.700 Very easily.

01:31:23.600 Very easily.

01:31:24.320 So I know you hate those guys, but it's your tax base.

01:31:27.540 And the number of people who say, well, they got to pay their fair share.

01:31:29.660 Look who pays the taxes in New York City. 0.99

01:31:31.640 And on top of it, people should know this, who don't, don't live in this, as you point

01:31:35.820 out, Megan, the best city on earth, but also the worst at times too, is that we don't pay

01:31:40.460 federal tax only.

01:31:41.480 We don't pay state tax only.

01:31:42.540 There's a city tax in New York, which is also punishing.

01:31:45.900 And you increase that on people.

01:31:48.600 The number of people who are not working-

01:31:50.280 We paid over 50% taxes easily.

01:31:52.760 Yeah, of course.

01:31:53.220 Between federal, state, city.

01:31:54.620 Then they lob on extra taxes, like just if you're rich enough, just like extra random fees

01:31:59.360 that you have to pay, that's an additional, like your rent tax and all that.

01:32:02.120 Like there is so much taxation already in New York.

01:32:05.940 So much.

01:32:06.720 And people are fleeing.

01:32:07.780 They've already been fleeing.

01:32:09.640 There's only so many people Ron DeSantis can house.

01:32:11.900 I just, I'm not sure what the plan is here because it's insane.

01:32:15.900 So we'll watch.

01:32:17.060 He has to house.

01:32:17.860 Well, we'll see.

01:32:19.640 How about the center?

01:32:20.640 You know how we hate platform?

01:32:21.980 Isn't centering also equally annoying?

01:32:24.000 Oh my God.

01:32:24.480 Worst verb.

01:32:25.520 Ugh.

01:32:26.000 It's not a verb.

01:32:26.760 It's true.

01:32:27.200 You can't.

01:32:28.560 They make fun of rich people for saying they summer places, right?

01:32:32.540 Yes.

01:32:33.600 Centering is worse than summering.

01:32:35.840 Okay.

01:32:36.180 Years ago, we knew this family and the woman who was like, we saw these boats lined up

01:32:41.360 and we're like, oh wow, that's really cool.

01:32:43.260 It's like this big motorboat.

01:32:44.600 And she goes, I prefer a sailing vessel.

01:32:47.840 And that's the same kind of person who's using the term center.

01:32:51.280 Sailing vessel.

01:32:51.960 Um, I'm glad you mentioned Brandon Johnson in Chicago, Megan, because, um, it's a, it's

01:32:58.300 a good example.

01:32:59.060 I think that, uh, mom, Donnie is trying to Chicago, New York, um, where really, really

01:33:04.580 awful, uh, democratic and democratic socialist, uh, governance treats, uh, an existing, you

01:33:11.340 know, great city.

01:33:12.160 Chicago is a wonderful city, um, that still throws off a lot of wealth.

01:33:15.540 They just treat it as something to act as a predator on like, okay, cool.

01:33:20.340 We've got a guaranteed revenue stream.

01:33:22.140 I'm going to get more of it, uh, use it to accumulate power and use it to enrich my buddies,

01:33:27.260 uh, in usually in some kind of public sector union context.

01:33:31.440 And in the process, you're going to, uh, uh, have levels of debt and obligations to pensions.

01:33:37.500 People are going to run fleeing because the combined taxation of the place is just insane.

01:33:41.660 Um, that's what's happening here.

01:33:43.580 It's what, what's happening to way, way, way too many large cities in this country.

01:33:48.260 I know there's a couple of guys out with a book called the abundance agenda, you know,

01:33:51.760 trying to, to convince Democrats to be more, I don't know, uh, useful on public policy

01:33:58.720 heathered to results.

01:34:00.100 And they're getting tons of pushback by the way, uh, from the left, like, how dare you,

01:34:04.800 how dare you say the government work?

01:34:06.820 Um, uh, it's a, a really bad sign that there is a large number of people in New York who

01:34:11.680 look at a guy who's never worked a day in his life.

01:34:13.520 As far as I can tell in the private sector, uh, he's been working for his mother, rep,

01:34:18.120 wrapping his hard work there.

01:34:19.420 Come on.

01:34:19.800 My kids do that in front of me all the time.

01:34:23.560 I had no idea it was a natural job.

01:34:25.240 Um, I want to say this back to the Tucker Ted Cruz debate.

01:34:29.360 Tucker said, and he said this many times, like, I want my country to be nice.

01:34:33.140 And he was, he was talking with him about how disgusting Washington DC is back to my

01:34:37.080 JFK thing.

01:34:38.000 You know, like it is true.

01:34:39.340 You have a lot of moments, sadly, if you live in a blue state in particular, where you look

01:34:42.360 around and you're like, ew, what's, this is disgusting. 0.64

01:34:45.020 How is there this much trash on the way to the airport?

01:34:48.560 Where are the, where are the sanitation workers? 0.99

01:34:51.260 You know, it's, it's like a slow crumble that we're seeing in blue controlled cities 0.84

01:34:57.340 in often blue controlled states, but it can happen in red controlled states too.

01:35:00.800 Usually it happens in the blue controlled cities of those states.

01:35:05.020 And this is why like Tucker wants us to take the money we gave to Ukraine and spend it on,

01:35:09.820 you know, America.

01:35:10.520 I just don't believe that if the federal Congress to kept the money that we gave to Ukraine,

01:35:14.660 I don't believe they'd well spend it.

01:35:15.960 I don't believe they'd clean anything up.

01:35:17.700 I feel like it'd be somehow it'd wind up in Nancy Pelosi's next mansion.

01:35:21.620 However, I do think local leaders are to blame.

01:35:25.620 And that's why it's so upsetting to see this happen in New York city.

01:35:28.140 Like we just keep electing far left Democrats who are ruining the country.

01:35:34.260 They're ruining the country with their terrible open border policies and leftist economic policies.

01:35:41.140 Mayor Bill de Blasio ruined New York.

01:35:45.460 He ruined it.

01:35:46.460 We were thriving under Giuliani and then Bloomberg, who was a Republican slash independent.

01:35:52.860 And then, you know, he called himself an independent and eventually not.

01:35:55.820 But my point is they were right leaning.

01:35:58.460 And that's really the solution to Tucker's problem and our problem.

01:36:02.080 We need responsible fiscal leadership in there.

01:36:05.500 We need people who understand what that kind of taxation will do to the actual money earners.

01:36:10.040 They will flee.

01:36:10.980 There is a free country.

01:36:12.140 You can go to other states.

01:36:13.200 And this guy, Mamdani, is exactly the opposite of what we need, who has a very good shot of taking over as the mayor of our our biggest and one of our best cities.

01:36:22.540 Go ahead.

01:36:23.300 Which is why the Bannons of the world drive me crazy when, you know, you can. 1.00

01:36:28.040 I like debates within the Republican Party, as we're talking about, particularly when it comes to foreign policy.

01:36:32.900 And but people like Steve Bannon, who are Democratic socialists in their own way, they, you know, hate the financial industry.

01:36:40.640 That's fine.

01:36:41.820 Trump has been skeptical of them, too.

01:36:43.460 But the idea that New York City needs more money is insane. 0.96

01:36:47.900 It's completely ridiculous.

01:36:49.320 All you have to look at is focus in on the MTA, which is the transit authority that runs the buses and the subways and the trains, and then go to a place that has insanely high taxation, like Sweden, and ride those subways and trains and be like, wow, this is amazing.

01:37:05.360 You do not get that feeling flying into Arlanda Airport in Stockholm that you got, Megan, flying into JFK.

01:37:10.920 It's like we are we have these like strangleholds of the MTA union.

01:37:15.380 And, you know, you look at these people, there's a story the New York Times did like five or six years ago, maybe even longer, that was really good reporting about the insanely inflated salaries of everybody who works for the MTA.

01:37:27.460 I mean, they're like a couple hundred thousand dollar salaries for just like these these not very impressive jobs.

01:37:32.540 Look at the Second Avenue subway.

01:37:33.900 How long has it taken to try to build the Second Avenue subway?

01:37:36.500 What are we on?

01:37:36.960 Fifty years now?

01:37:37.940 I'm not even joking.

01:37:38.680 It's like insane.

01:37:39.540 Like as if the money is not there.

01:37:41.800 There is bureaucracy.

01:37:43.280 There is union, truculent union members and union bosses.

01:37:47.960 It's impossible to get anything done in the city.

01:37:50.180 Buy an apartment.

01:37:50.840 I've never bought an apartment in the city.

01:37:52.040 Camille has.

01:37:52.720 And try to get anything done because there's layers and layers and layers of red tape.

01:37:57.480 Oh, God forbid.

01:37:58.320 God forbid you need a rent out.

01:38:00.900 This government's the problem here.

01:38:02.200 It's not money.

01:38:02.680 My recommendation to anyone, if you want an easy comp, is first look at a chart of the average level of taxation or government expenditure in Florida and in New York State.

01:38:13.580 Don't even like use New York City, although they have the extra income tax.

01:38:16.560 Florida and New York State.

01:38:17.700 It's completely lopsided.

01:38:19.900 Next, get into your car in both places and drive for two hours.

01:38:25.000 Starting in New York City and you can take it upstate.

01:38:27.260 Starting in Miami, take it anywhere.

01:38:28.920 The roads in Florida are great.

01:38:31.920 Highways are fantastic.

01:38:33.780 You can take high-speed train in Florida, believe it or not.

01:38:36.900 And in New York, soon, especially when you cross into the border of New York City, your tires are going to be shredded after driving for like 30 minutes.

01:38:45.620 They haven't fixed any road as far as I can tell.

01:38:48.180 They've just done construction forever, but they haven't fixed anything for decades.

01:38:53.280 And you know what's so annoying, too?

01:38:54.840 It wasn't always like this.

01:38:56.440 Like when I lived in Chicago in the mid-1990s, they were under Democrat rule.

01:39:00.200 It was Bill Daley.

01:39:01.400 And he was a very famous, well-known mayor.

01:39:04.220 You know, Daley was like responsible for Chicago.

01:39:07.320 And you could eat off the sidewalks.

01:39:09.120 It was so clean.

01:39:10.220 But the Democrat Party has lost its mind and doesn't understand what to prioritize anymore.

01:39:15.140 They're much more worried about pronouns and putting the homeless people, taking them out of the subway car and putting them on the subway platform as a real solution than they are about solving real people's problems.

01:39:27.100 So that's what needs to happen, better leadership in the cities and the states.

01:39:32.520 Standby.

01:39:33.060 I'm going to take a break.

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01:39:38.440 I'll get to that tomorrow.

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01:42:46.580 Are you guys practicing your accents without me?

01:42:50.100 What are you talking?

01:42:51.280 Don't talk, Megan.

01:42:53.160 Are we on the air?

01:42:54.280 I can't do accents.

01:42:55.640 The only accent I can do well is just a drunk accent.

01:42:59.880 I can't just be drunk. 0.81

01:43:00.840 Yeah, that's because you're an alcoholic.

01:43:02.920 It's because I spent so many years covering Kamala Harris, so I nailed it.

01:43:09.580 I don't know if we're on the air because if we were, I would do a lot of accents, but I can't.

01:43:13.400 We are.

01:43:13.740 Let's hear it.

01:43:14.560 Yeah.

01:43:14.860 No.

01:43:15.080 One, two, and three.

01:43:16.380 We're back on.

01:43:16.960 Let's go.

01:43:17.620 You have to subscribe to The Fifth Column because there are free episodes.

01:43:20.820 I don't even do them.

01:43:21.880 You have to pay to get me canceled.

01:43:24.280 I feel like you did one.

01:43:25.240 Do you have a favorite that you've done?

01:43:27.060 Because you've definitely done one for me that I liked.

01:43:28.680 I can't remember what it was.

01:43:31.020 Jesse Jackson is a fan favorite.

01:43:32.660 Jesse Jackson is a fan favorite.

01:43:34.120 My daughter always asked me to do an Indian accent, but she once did an Indian accent because

01:43:39.780 she loves The Simpsons, and she was like seven years old.

01:43:42.660 And I said, darling, you cannot do that accent. 0.64

01:43:45.600 In her response, I swear to God, one of the funniest when I knew that my daughter was the best,

01:43:50.020 she looked at me and she said, Papa, why?

01:43:52.180 That's how they talk.

01:43:53.780 And I said, well, yes, that is true.

01:43:55.840 But you just can't.

01:43:56.980 I don't know why.

01:43:57.720 You can't.

01:43:57.760 I don't make the rules.

01:43:58.880 I'm just trying to protect you.

01:44:00.440 No.

01:44:02.140 But you did exactly right.

01:44:03.220 That's a very good job.

01:44:03.980 Very good job.

01:44:04.440 The Moynihan's Melania accent is a...

01:44:08.160 I do a lot of Melania accent.

01:44:10.120 Unless you're a little of that.

01:44:11.280 That's my favorite.

01:44:11.920 The Melania accent is not a real accent.

01:44:15.120 It is always like if there's like Melania is doing some, you know, fundraiser and she

01:44:20.460 would be like, I love the children.

01:44:22.340 They are so great.

01:44:23.420 And it's not based on Melania.

01:44:25.240 It's just a totally...

01:44:26.320 No, it doesn't sound anything like her.

01:44:27.960 Nothing.

01:44:28.260 Nothing.

01:44:28.620 But the best one is when Barron, the video of him as a child, where he sounds Slovenian

01:44:36.940 exactly like her.

01:44:38.360 Because his father clearly has never talked to him.

01:44:41.620 I love that.

01:44:43.460 When he's saying like, mommy, where is my suitcase?

01:44:47.320 I love that video so much.

01:44:48.920 It's so great.

01:44:49.980 It's so fantastic.

01:44:51.900 Melania obviously was very, very attached to Barron and was a great and is a great mom.

01:44:57.180 We quote her all the time with our kids.

01:45:00.240 This is from some interview they gave and how they talked to Barron.

01:45:04.000 We quote them all the time at the dinner table.

01:45:05.960 It happens almost once a night.

01:45:07.460 Small bites, Barron.

01:45:09.060 Small bites, Barron.

01:45:11.360 This is Trump and Melania.

01:45:13.840 I guess he kept saying that to him.

01:45:16.200 Like most teenage boys or young boys, he's like trying to shovel the whole thing in his

01:45:20.000 face.

01:45:20.540 Small bites, Barron.

01:45:21.580 I say it to all three of my kids because they're also big biters of food.

01:45:24.920 Okay, I needed to discuss this very important tweet I sent out that has gotten some hilarious

01:45:30.580 responses.

01:45:31.420 So I'm at the beach for the summer and we're in a rental.

01:45:35.840 It's a long story, but our house had to have some renovations.

01:45:39.320 And this is now the second summer that we had to be in a rental because this reno is taking

01:45:45.460 forever.

01:45:46.500 So we're in a rental and the rental doesn't come with any linens.

01:45:51.100 So you get here, there's nothing, there's no sheets.

01:45:54.900 We're here for two months.

01:45:56.580 There's no sheets.

01:45:57.760 There's no beds.

01:45:59.060 There's beds, but there's no comforters.

01:46:01.300 And there's no towels, which I'm sure somebody told me in advance and then I just forgot.

01:46:05.960 That's what you mom got his house.

01:46:07.360 So I'm running around getting linens and getting like, you know, all the stuff that you need.

01:46:13.980 And I go to Target.

01:46:15.420 Thankfully, there's a Target.

01:46:16.260 So I go to the Target and I decided to get a little rug for the bathroom because the bathroom 1.00

01:46:22.880 floor is too cold.

01:46:24.980 And I like the bathroom floor to have a little heat on it.

01:46:28.320 And so I bought a little area rug.

01:46:31.640 I went a little crazy at Target.

01:46:33.100 I'm not going to lie.

01:46:34.200 It's not the prettiest rug I've ever seen.

01:46:35.880 I'm going to show you a picture of it, but it's fine.

01:46:38.000 It's a rental and it was cheap.

01:46:39.600 It was like 25.

01:46:41.000 No, not this.

01:46:41.680 Show the picture of the actual rug.

01:46:43.720 Stand by.

01:46:45.280 It was like $25.

01:46:46.740 It was relatively inexpensive for a big rug.

01:46:49.900 Okay, there it is.

01:46:50.740 Can you see it?

01:46:52.180 It's fine.

01:46:53.020 It's not terrible.

01:46:53.280 Right?

01:46:53.700 It's not terrible.

01:46:55.400 It's fine for a few months.

01:46:56.620 Then I'm sure we can find a place for it after that.

01:46:58.440 But I get it home and I'm pulling all the tags off of it and I take a look at the one

01:47:04.520 tag and it.

01:47:05.880 It caused me some alarm, fellas, because it reads as follows.

01:47:10.660 Fiber, colon, made of miscellaneous scraps of undetermined fiber content.

01:47:19.820 What's that?

01:47:22.580 Miscellaneous scraps of undetermined fiber content.

01:47:29.020 What are you hiding?

01:47:30.520 Yeah.

01:47:30.880 What's in there?

01:47:31.640 Where is it made?

01:47:32.260 Where is it made?

01:47:33.200 In India. 0.51

01:47:34.760 Oh.

01:47:35.900 It says made in India.

01:47:37.260 Have you seen Slumdog Millionaire?

01:47:38.980 I have.

01:47:39.480 You could maybe watch that movie.

01:47:41.140 I'm concerned.

01:47:41.920 Probably.

01:47:42.020 Then it says vacuum regularly.

01:47:45.880 Do not use beater brush.

01:47:47.800 Blot spills promptly.

01:47:49.560 Spot clean with mild cleaning solution.

01:47:52.520 Do not bleach.

01:47:54.420 Professional rug cleaning.

01:47:55.880 Now, what does that mean?

01:47:57.640 Do have a professional rug cleaning?

01:48:00.300 Or vacuum regularly?

01:48:01.580 I don't understand.

01:48:02.280 What is in the scraps that makes it.

01:48:05.920 Don't use beater brush.

01:48:09.260 And I have to tell you.

01:48:10.280 Is it because it will fall apart?

01:48:12.000 Is that if you hit it with a stick?

01:48:14.420 Yeah.

01:48:14.800 I know.

01:48:15.240 But I have to tell you something very bad.

01:48:17.100 Very bad.

01:48:17.700 I was standing on it doing my makeup and my feet started to itch.

01:48:24.240 Something's in the rug.

01:48:25.660 Yes.

01:48:26.240 Do you know why they use the word undetermined?

01:48:30.340 Because they don't know what it is.

01:48:32.540 So maybe put it out.

01:48:34.300 You're in New Jersey, right?

01:48:35.280 Just put it out on the beach.

01:48:36.560 Just put it out.

01:48:37.100 It's got to go.

01:48:37.560 Someone will take it.

01:48:38.260 Yeah.

01:48:38.540 I don't think I can keep the rug.

01:48:39.980 Do you?

01:48:40.840 No.

01:48:41.400 Get rid of the $25.

01:48:42.320 I want to send you some links, Megan.

01:48:46.220 Buy like a nice.

01:48:47.460 By the way, when the reno is done, Megan, you can take the nice one and bring it to the

01:48:52.980 new one.

01:48:53.380 You don't have to buy a cheap garbage one. 0.96

01:48:55.400 That occurred to me too late. 0.94

01:48:56.940 I did.

01:48:58.120 I think there's a possibility.

01:49:00.020 Rugs are portable.

01:49:00.620 There's a possibility that what's going on is that it's recycled fibers, in which case

01:49:05.100 they would actually combine a bunch of stuff.

01:49:08.460 Well, you don't see that warning anywhere else where you get recycled stuff.

01:49:12.160 Well, maybe it's the tariffs they have to label this stuff as what it is.

01:49:17.380 I'm telling you, fingers and toes are in my rug.

01:49:23.020 Well, that seems like a strong possibility.

01:49:25.360 I know.

01:49:25.860 I bet the rug's got to go.

01:49:27.240 Not only am I having an allergic reaction, I'm allergic to penicillin.

01:49:30.100 Do you think there's penicillin in there?

01:49:31.400 Why are my feet itching when I'm standing on it with naked feet?

01:49:34.620 Something's very wrong.

01:49:35.540 One of the craziest things, Megan, is that you're still questioning whether you should

01:49:39.440 get rid of the rug.

01:49:40.580 I know.

01:49:41.020 It's like a hassle to get there.

01:49:43.300 Don't cost fallacy.

01:49:44.500 Don't breathe, close to rug.

01:49:47.300 That's odd.

01:49:48.620 You don't want that.

01:49:50.880 Maybe I'll send it to you guys.

01:49:52.060 We could have a rotation.

01:49:53.880 It could be like on a visiting.

01:49:55.160 You know how a museum sends out a museum piece?

01:49:57.600 Everybody could have a week with it, and then the next time you're on, we could debrief.

01:50:00.800 You think it's going to be just more than two weeks?

01:50:02.980 No, no.

01:50:03.980 We would frame it.

01:50:05.840 We would mount it, frame it, and we would put it up in the new studio.

01:50:08.940 Why don't you have an auction for this?

01:50:10.500 Let's do an auction for this rug, and whoever gave the money to charity.

01:50:16.020 That's a great idea.

01:50:17.600 It should come with a warning, though.

01:50:18.960 Do not mount it.

01:50:20.200 Don't mount it.

01:50:20.700 There's probably another tag that says don't send through the mail, so maybe don't have a...

01:50:27.460 I don't feel like I'd get through TSA.

01:50:29.900 I'm not sure, but there's something deeply wrong with my rug.

01:50:32.520 I just thought you guys could help me diagnose this, and I think we've come to a conclusion.

01:50:36.120 It needs to go.

01:50:37.080 It needs to go.

01:50:37.840 Guys, thank you.

01:50:39.400 It was a pleasure, as it always is, and we'll see you after we know which terrible person is running New York.

01:50:45.460 Great.

01:50:45.840 Sounds good.

01:50:47.300 Stay cool.

01:50:48.680 Bye.

01:50:48.880 All right.

01:50:49.300 Thanks, Megan.

01:50:49.780 Bye.

01:50:50.160 Thank you.

01:50:51.180 And thanks to all of you for listening today.

01:50:53.000 The guys from The Fifth Column never disappoint.

01:50:55.500 Tomorrow, tune in.

01:50:56.040 We've got Charlie Kirk.

01:50:57.000 That'll be fun, too, right?

01:50:57.960 He's one of the MAGA faithful.

01:50:59.500 What does he think of the whole civil war inside of the Republican Party?

01:51:04.600 Lots to discuss.

01:51:05.520 We'll talk to you then.

01:51:07.820 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

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01:51:12.440 We'll see you then.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - June 24, 2025

Trump Warns Iran and Israel on Ceasefire, MAGA Divide, and NYC's Potential Socialist Rapper Mayor, with The Fifth Column ｜ Ep. 1094

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