The Megyn Kelly Show - Truth About Benefits of HRT For Women, and COVID Lies Uncovered, with FDA Commissioner Dr. Marty Makary

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00:00:30.860 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.520 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.960 Earlier this week, the FDA hosted a panel on menopause and the benefits of hormone replacement therapy for women.

00:00:54.000 For years, women have been scared into thinking that HRT was linked to breast cancer because of a misleading study from 2002.

00:01:04.340 Well, Dr. Marty McCary spoke with us about this back in episode 881.

00:01:08.560 That was before he became FDA commissioner and he was sounding the alarm on that study back then.

00:01:17.600 He's done the same thing to his credit now as the big boss over at FDA so he can share his message with women across the country.

00:01:25.460 Dr. McCary joins me now.

00:01:27.400 Mr. Commissioner, great to have you. Welcome back.

00:01:30.340 Great to see you again, Megyn.

00:01:32.460 You as well.

00:01:33.120 Thanks for doing this because there's so much misinformation on this, on HRT.

00:01:37.560 And even amongst my friends, they don't know what to do because there is a general belief it's bad for you.

00:01:43.320 You shouldn't do it.

00:01:44.200 And then women, there are other women who say, well, I don't have hot flashes, et cetera, so I'm not going to do it. 1.00

00:01:50.380 And what I gleaned from your panel and your book for that matter is there are other reasons.

00:01:55.960 It's not going to cause breast cancer in these numbers that we were told in 2002.

00:02:02.220 It's a very, very minimal risk.

00:02:04.400 And secondly, it's got a lot of really good benefits.

00:02:08.020 Well, that's right.

00:02:09.480 Look, women have been confused for a good reason. 1.00

00:02:11.620 The medical establishment has, doesn't even, they're not even all on the same page.

00:02:16.060 And the misunderstanding around the studies has created a lot of dogma that you should not take hormone replacement therapy because of an increased risk of dying of breast cancer.

00:02:27.400 Now, it turns out when you look under the hood, no clinical trial has ever shown that hormone replacement therapy for perimenopausal women increases the likelihood of dying of breast cancer.

00:02:39.180 Now, there are importantly two different areas of benefit.

00:02:43.620 And I should just point out that there are contraindications.

00:02:47.520 Some women cannot take hormone replacement therapy. 0.94

00:02:49.940 But the vast majority of women going through perimenopause can have not only short-term benefits, but long-term health benefits.

00:02:58.960 And often when people talk about how it alleviates hot flashes and night sweats and helps with mood swings and better sleep quality and helps prevent some of the weight gain associated with perimenopause, they're really only talking about the short-term benefits.

00:03:16.480 Now, I'm not here to say they're more important or less important than the long-term health benefits.

00:03:21.680 I'm not a woman.

00:03:23.020 But look at the studies on the long-term health benefits, cutting the risk of heart attacks in half in some studies or 25% to 50% reduction in other studies.

00:03:34.440 That's the number one cause of death in women. 1.00

00:03:37.500 And it may prevent Alzheimer's, reduces the risk of cognitive decline by up to 64%, reduces osteoporosis risk and the risk of bone fractures, cutting that risk in half.

00:03:49.720 Those are some of the serious long-term risks that can take the life of an older woman is risks of bone fractures and hip fractures.

00:03:56.720 So there may be no other medication in the history of modern medicine that can improve the health outcomes of women on a population level than hormone replacement therapy when started within 10 years from the onset of perimenopause.

00:04:11.480 Maybe with some rare exceptions, I might cite antibiotics as one of those exceptions.

00:04:15.800 But the incredible health benefits of hormone replacement therapy described by the experts at the FDA expert panel just recently have been in the bucket of things in modern medicine that have been underappreciated, underrecognized, and underfunded, probably because it deals with women's health and that it is something that needs to come to the surface.

00:04:39.460 Every woman needs to know about the real data on this topic and not follow dogma for dogma's sake. 1.00

00:04:46.280 The thing that's great about, I mean, preventing dementia, hello, everybody wants to prevent Alzheimer's or dementia.

00:04:51.940 But the thing about HRT too is it's estrogen and progesterone and progesterone helps you sleep better in the short term even, which if you have terrible sleep, we've talked about this with a number of experts, that actually increases your risk of getting some form of dementia.

00:05:08.600 So it's got like double protection there where you start to get better sleep immediately and then long-term it can have, I guess maybe for other reasons, the effect of helping prevent some forms of dementia.

00:05:19.800 Yeah, it's pretty cool how the importance of good quality sleep is now being recognized as a central component to so many aspects of health.

00:05:30.280 And poor sleep may help drive some of these chronic diseases, including dementia and perhaps even Alzheimer's in some studies, including one study I was a part of at Johns Hopkins in my previous career.

00:05:43.720 So we're learning more and more that good quality sleep, a healthy microbiome, and what we eat is so central to health.

00:05:53.140 We have had a healthcare system, Megan, entirely focused on drugs and operations.

00:05:58.540 And we've got to ask, why is Alzheimer's going up every year?

00:06:02.720 It's not just because we have older people in America.

00:06:05.280 As I was taught in medical school, we have early onset Alzheimer's that has tripled in the last few decades.

00:06:13.680 What's going on here?

00:06:14.780 Two-thirds of the cases are in women.

00:06:16.840 What's going on here?

00:06:17.740 It turns out there may be an association with the hormonal access.

00:06:21.400 When a woman takes estrogen, starting around the time of perimenopause, that risk of Alzheimer's goes down by up to 35% in some studies.

00:06:30.740 So I'm not in the business of being someone's teledoctor or telling them what to do.

00:06:39.340 But the data on this area of medicine has been so massively misunderstood and misrepresented.

00:06:48.080 And you saw the fear machine come out 23 years ago talking about such a sensitive topic like breast cancer to women demonizing hormone replacement therapy.

00:07:01.320 People need to know the facts.

00:07:02.480 And one place to help get good information, in my opinion, is the FDA expert panel that's available online for women to watch.

00:07:09.340 Yes.

00:07:10.200 So you talked about this when you came on before your new job.

00:07:14.440 And in your book, you get into this about how all the misinformation was rooted in this 2002 study called the Women's Health Initiative.

00:07:23.580 The lead author was Dr. Jacques Rousseau.

00:07:26.620 And you, when writing your book, went to him to say, I don't, I've looked at your information.

00:07:34.440 I don't see this, the correlation between what you said was HRT and breast cancer.

00:07:41.200 Because he came out in the middle of doing that women's health initiative and said, the risk is so high for breast cancer from HRT.

00:07:48.060 We need to stop the study right now.

00:07:50.580 We need to stop doing this to women. 1.00

00:07:52.200 And women all across America said, I'm out.

00:07:54.880 And threw away their hormones, the estrogen and the progesterone.

00:07:59.180 But you actually went to him and found some remarkable, I mean, got some remarkable admissions.

00:08:04.960 Well, the most amazing thing, Megan, was that he acknowledged to me that the little tiny bump in breast cancer cases that they observed in the study was not statistically significant.

00:08:17.700 You have to run statistics in these large trials to know whether or not something is a random occurrence, whether or not it's noise in the data, or whether or not it's a true association.

00:08:27.920 If you don't run statistics, then we don't have science.

00:08:31.640 All of a sudden, snake oil works and cures cancer, and we don't have science anymore.

00:08:36.940 So he actually acknowledged to me that the observation of breast cancer in one of the looks of the data was not a statistically significant finding.

00:08:46.520 And by the way, subsequent studies have found no statistically significant increase in dying of breast cancer.

00:08:52.020 So what does that tell you?

00:08:53.760 It is amazing.

00:08:54.920 It really is amazing because when that announcement hit, and, you know, he feels that the media got ahead of his results when I had talked to him.

00:09:03.740 But when those headlines hit that hormone therapy causes breast cancer, man, women flushed their pills down the toilet. 0.99

00:09:10.600 Doctors were calling and scaring all the patients in their practice saying, get off of this.

00:09:14.780 There's been new data.

00:09:15.700 And honestly, I don't even know if some of them had actually read the numbers in the study and noticed that there was no statistical significance.

00:09:23.760 So this is from your book.

00:09:25.280 It's amazing.

00:09:26.020 You write, I asked Dr. Rousseau point blank, was the breast cancer link in his studies statistically significant?

00:09:31.220 He answered, quote, it touched on significance, but wasn't quite significant.

00:09:36.520 It was nominally significant.

00:09:38.980 It was not significant.

00:09:40.320 After being adjusted for multiple looks at the data.

00:09:43.160 What?

00:09:43.400 And based on this, people ran for the hills.

00:09:47.720 And I know this is personal for you because you feel like your own mom could have benefited from this, but didn't.

00:09:54.440 Look, my mom is one of the 50 million women over the last 23 years never offered hormone replacement therapy or the many potential health benefits associated with it because of this study.

00:10:07.100 And it became dogma in the medical field.

00:10:09.360 And, man, they pounded this message into primary care doctors and doctors all over the medical field.

00:10:14.560 It just became this dogma that it causes breast cancer. 1.00

00:10:17.120 Therefore, don't prescribe it.

00:10:19.080 And, by the way, medical schools never even taught about menopause because why teach about all the symptoms of menopause if there's nothing you can do to treat them so you don't even need to teach about menopause?

00:10:32.140 So we got almost no educational menopause.

00:10:34.860 There was this dogma.

00:10:36.120 But my mom was one of the 50-plus million women never offered it. 1.00

00:10:41.220 She should have been offered it.

00:10:42.300 She would have been a great candidate. 1.00

00:10:43.660 And, you know, HRT reduces the chance that you're going to break a bone if you're in a car accident.

00:10:49.680 Or if an 80-year-old woman falls later in life, there's like a 50% increase. 0.99

00:10:55.220 The risk of breaking a bone is cut in half if you're on hormone therapy.

00:11:00.420 Well, my mom broke her bones twice in two different falls.

00:11:05.300 You know, in one of them, I remember showing the x-ray to an orthopedic surgeon friend of mine.

00:11:10.160 And I said, does she really need surgery with screws and pins? 1.00

00:11:13.740 And, you know, my mom is not, you know, you put an older woman through something like that, it sets them back.

00:11:22.120 It's debilitating.

00:11:23.600 They're non-ambulatory.

00:11:24.740 And sometimes that sets up older Americans for a cascade of events that can result in their demise.

00:11:31.320 So I didn't want to see her non-ambulatory. 0.98

00:11:33.640 Well, the orthopedic surgeon said, it's really on the border as to whether or not these fractures require surgery.

00:11:40.720 But in my opinion, I think she does need surgery. 0.99

00:11:45.000 Well, if it was that much of a, you know, borderline call, certainly hormone replacement therapy would have helped her avoid that bone fracture. 0.99

00:11:54.640 And all of the cost and pain and debilitation associated with that long, lengthy, lengthy physical therapy.

00:12:01.500 And she's, that's just my mom.

00:12:03.500 And I'm putting these pieces together from what I've done for my research.

00:12:07.500 Think about the 50 plus million women.

00:12:11.500 An 80-year-old woman has a one in three chance of having a hip fracture.

00:12:16.040 And a quarter of women die within a year of a hip fracture.

00:12:18.880 So these are real issues that are never talked about, even if hormone replacement therapy slightly increased the risk of developing breast cancer, as was kind of conjectured.

00:12:32.600 The other massive health benefits would far eclipse any harm from the breast cancer issue. 0.98

00:12:43.000 I'll tell you another piece of this that I've noticed just as a woman.

00:12:46.180 And there is, and of course, all my doctors are in New York City, where I've been living for the past 17 years.

00:12:51.280 Now I've moved to Connecticut, but my docs are still back in New York.

00:12:54.520 And they're all lefties.

00:12:56.420 So it's not, this is not a political thing.

00:12:58.860 But I will tell you, there's a political line that you may not even know about.

00:13:01.900 But some of my top women's health care docs, I'm not going to say who, because I don't want to embarrass anybody.

00:13:06.640 But some of my top women's health care docs have said to me, you know, menopause, it's not a disease. 0.98

00:13:14.760 You know, there's no, it's nothing, it's not something to be cured.

00:13:17.260 You don't have to go on drugs to solve menopause.

00:13:20.220 And there was like a sort of a lefty woman's bias of like, these men who are trying to get us to tap into some fountain of youth so they can enjoy sex with us more.

00:13:30.080 Don't understand that this is like a normal progression of a woman. 1.00

00:13:32.500 And it's to me, I was like, wow, that's so crazy.

00:13:37.160 This, you don't have to be looking for a fountain of youth to go on HRT.

00:13:42.220 You can be looking for all these other benefits.

00:13:44.360 But I have heard more than one doctor talk about it.

00:13:47.320 Like they resent it.

00:13:49.940 Yeah, look, this issue is polarized in medicine, just like society is polarized around politics.

00:13:56.140 And there's a lot of misunderstanding.

00:13:58.280 Hormone replacement for perimenopausal women is exactly what it says.

00:14:03.080 You're replacing your body's natural hormone production.

00:14:07.420 And there are actually hormone replacement forms that are similar to the exact molecule that your body produces.

00:14:14.880 And there was an observation at the Mayo Clinic in the 1950s that when a woman had their ovaries removed in their 20s, that is, young women had their ovaries removed, say, for cancer or some other reason, they were developing early heart disease.

00:14:29.660 And that data showed, including one woman who developed, had a fatal heart attack at age 28.

00:14:37.620 Well, what does that tell you?

00:14:38.640 It suggests the profound cardioprotective effect of a woman's estrogen level.

00:14:45.500 And so when you remove the ovaries, and basically this happens functionally in menopause, the body's natural production of estrogen goes way down.

00:14:56.860 We're talking about continuing the body's natural levels.

00:15:00.740 And progesterone is recommended to add to estrogen if a woman has a uterus. 0.64

00:15:06.440 A third of adult women do not have a uterus. 0.88

00:15:08.960 It's been taken out for some reason.

00:15:10.540 But if a woman has a uterus, it's recommended you take both estrogen and progesterone by doctors out there. 0.86

00:15:17.200 Again, the doctors at the FDA expert panel, I thought, did an amazing job.

00:15:22.140 The stuff everybody should know.

00:15:24.300 Yeah, because the progesterone protects you from uterine cancer.

00:15:29.660 So you have to take that too, in addition to the estrogen.

00:15:33.160 And the other thing is, by the way, I've talked about this with women's health doctors who have come on this show.

00:15:37.260 So sometimes when you get older as a female, your sex drive can start to go down. 1.00

00:15:42.720 And HRT can help with that too.

00:15:45.060 Getting your levels back up to just sort of normal, for lack of a better term, is helpful in that regard.

00:15:51.480 So it can be, you know, it can lead to other good things, marital health and all that.

00:15:55.320 I do want to play, speaking of the doctors who are at the panel, Dr. Joanne V. Pinkerton, she was there.

00:16:00.420 And she's as frustrated as you are about the fact that if you get hormone replacement therapy, there's still what's called a black box warning on it right now, which will scare the bejesus out of most people.

00:16:14.320 Here she is lamenting.

00:16:15.740 That's not one.

00:16:16.420 I am begging the FDA, and all of us are begging, please remove the box label.

00:16:22.200 Put a warning.

00:16:22.760 If you bleed, you need to be evaluated for that rare risk of endometrial cancer.

00:16:26.300 If you've had an estrogen-sensitive cancer, please include your oncologist, and please stop harming women. 0.99

00:16:34.460 Because you see that black box label on anything you're going to take, and you're like, it's a no.

00:16:39.380 Yeah, look, when I came to the FDA as the commissioner just over 100 days ago, and we looked under the hood, I was shocked at some of the stuff we learned.

00:16:50.180 There was still a black box warning on vaginal estrogen cream and systemic estrogen.

00:16:55.720 We learned that the FDA had just approved Americans to have their cells gene-edited in China, literally cancer patients having their cells shipped to China, where they would manipulate the gene of those cells and then ship them back to be infused back into Americans.

00:17:11.780 We put the halt on that, illegal Chinese vaping.

00:17:14.660 I mean, there's all kinds of stuff we learned about.

00:17:16.680 But this is something that I had heard about from many women, because the issues in women's health have long been ignored. 0.90

00:17:24.960 Some say it's been a male-dominated medical establishment in a prior generation that resulted in this.

00:17:31.600 And some say we've never really recognized what perimenopause is in the medical profession.

00:17:38.760 I was kind of taught, well, some women go through it, and some women have, or sorry, all women go through it, but some have symptoms, and the symptoms are usually mild.

00:17:50.280 Well, that's not true.

00:17:51.820 Eighty percent of women go through it, and it can last five to eight years or longer. 1.00

00:17:57.420 And for many women, those symptoms are severe, you know, things like dryness. 0.76

00:18:02.860 Now, dryness can have a lot of implications.

00:18:07.360 Vaginal dryness can make sex much more difficult. 0.81

00:18:09.640 There have been divorces stemming from this issue in one's nasal mucosal cavities, eye dryness, skin dryness, hair thinning.

00:18:19.400 So, I mean, things like that were ignored.

00:18:22.920 And instead, when a woman came in with symptoms of perimenopause, be it the mood swings, weight gain, night sweats, or the dryness, whatever the symptoms were,

00:18:32.380 a woman was more likely to be prescribed an antidepressant than hormone replacement therapy. 0.91

00:18:38.260 Jeez, those are so typical.

00:18:40.500 That makes perfect sense.

00:18:41.780 Now, wait.

00:18:42.400 And perimenopause is the period right before actual menopause, right?

00:18:46.300 Like, actual menopause is when you haven't had a period for a year, and perimenopause is a number of years, like, leading up to that,

00:18:53.380 where you're not quite, you know, on the schedule you used to be, but you can feel yourself crossing over.

00:18:57.440 The change, the change is coming upon you.

00:19:00.000 So that's like the, but it's all time where you could be getting the HRT.

00:19:03.440 And you're saying you need to be doing it within the first 10 years of, what, the onset of perimenopause?

00:19:10.180 Yeah, the, for example, the cardiovascular benefits flip if you start it too late.

00:19:15.700 If you go roughly, and this is just sort of a general rule that some doctors use,

00:19:20.420 if you go 10 years without it, or you start it after age 60, as a rule of thumb, some doctors use.

00:19:25.680 Again, I'm not telling people what to do, but this is what some doctors say.

00:19:29.480 Then you go too long without it.

00:19:32.160 The blood vessels sort of narrow and harden, and then the cardiac benefit flips into a risk.

00:19:39.040 And because, of course, hormone therapy, as with oral contraception, has an ever so slight risk of blood clots,

00:19:46.440 and so that creates a risk of harm.

00:19:49.260 So that benefit turns to a potential risk of harm if you start it too late.

00:19:53.900 And that's why people who are, you know, more than 10 years after the onset of menopause,

00:19:59.240 there's really, I mean, there are really no options that many, you know, many doctors will say there's no options at that point.

00:20:05.320 And, of course, they're angry, and they have a right to be angry.

00:20:08.600 They were misled by a medical establishment.

00:20:11.540 Do you stay on HRT forever?

00:20:14.580 Like if you do start it early.

00:20:16.560 Yeah, you know, I'm learning in this job.

00:20:17.980 I have to be careful what I say here as FDA commissioner, but many doctors do keep their patients on it for life.

00:20:25.860 Wow.

00:20:26.480 All right.

00:20:26.940 Well, this is all very helpful information.

00:20:28.500 Now, I want to ask you about something else that you guys are working on, which is equally important to a lot of women on the younger side, though.

00:20:34.680 Now we're moving from, like, the 50 and 60 set down to the 20s, 30s, and 40s.

00:20:39.160 And that is women who take antidepressants, SSRIs, while pregnant.

00:20:44.660 You guys are about to have a panel on that.

00:20:47.280 Why?

00:20:47.940 What's the concern?

00:20:50.160 Yeah, look, we've been busy at the FDA on Monday.

00:20:52.700 We're going to have a panel on SSRIs and pregnancy.

00:20:56.900 You know, almost a quarter of middle-aged women in the United States take an antidepressant.

00:21:03.960 And many of them take it right through pregnancy.

00:21:08.160 About 5% of pregnant women roughly are taking an SSRI, one of the types of antidepressants,

00:21:14.080 even though one of the antidepressants has been identified by the FDA to potentially be associated with birth defects.

00:21:22.360 And there are also concerns about harm to the mother.

00:21:26.180 So we need to get the experts in the room, get this straight.

00:21:30.380 Again, update the labels if we need to do that.

00:21:33.600 Do whatever we can to try to address this, because we don't want to see birth defects that are entirely avoidable

00:21:39.680 if people would have had the right information.

00:21:43.160 That's terrifying.

00:21:44.320 I don't think most people know that, that if they're on antidepressants and they're taking them while pregnant,

00:21:49.760 you could be leading to a birth defect situation for your child.

00:21:53.360 Why isn't that a black box warning?

00:21:54.860 So it is on the label of one antidepressant.

00:21:58.960 And so should it be on the label of more?

00:22:01.600 Even if we don't have data, should we err on the side of safety?

00:22:04.080 That's exactly why we're convening experts on Monday.

00:22:08.300 And look, we just can't.

00:22:10.160 Some people say, look, you should do a six-month review and go through the normal government FACA process,

00:22:17.160 which is a long bureaucratic process to convene experts.

00:22:20.320 We're just inviting them in, state their disclosures, and talk passionately about these issues on which they are experts.

00:22:27.940 We cannot, you know, work at government speed.

00:22:31.140 We have to work at real person speed.

00:22:33.520 So how do you do that?

00:22:34.540 Because I played that Joanne Pinkerton, she's a doctor,

00:22:37.700 that sought about, please, for the love of God, get rid of the black box label.

00:22:40.900 I mean, you're FDA commissioner, so can you just do that?

00:22:43.960 Or what does that process look like?

00:22:45.780 Yeah, so the process is that we petition, we ask the company for a label change,

00:22:51.580 if there's label changes with anything.

00:22:53.520 And we're doing this right now with OxyContin.

00:22:55.860 That label change still does not match the data, believe it or not.

00:23:01.620 Even after all the lawsuits against the Sacklers and all that?

00:23:05.600 They made one small modification, but it's not good enough.

00:23:08.600 That drug was approved for chronic pain on the label based on a 14-day study.

00:23:13.620 So, look, like I said, we're busy, we're looking at that.

00:23:16.300 And what we do is the process is we tell the companies we'd like to see this change

00:23:21.360 and we propose the change.

00:23:23.100 And then there's a, so it takes a couple months, sometimes six months.

00:23:26.180 But we want in the meantime to let the experts have a platform to talk about these issues

00:23:31.380 from both sides of the issue.

00:23:32.840 I believe in a civil discourse and we should have people who are pro and against come and hash it out.

00:23:38.580 That's exactly what science is.

00:23:40.460 And honestly, we didn't see a lot of that during COVID, right?

00:23:43.840 It was more a homogeneous group of like-minded friends that were gathering

00:23:47.540 and all put a rubber stamp on COVID vaccine boosters for 17-year-old boys.

00:23:54.040 We need a civil discourse.

00:23:56.220 If we're going to win back public trust, that's what we're doing at the FDA, at the NIH, at CMS.

00:24:01.660 And this is the charge we have for radical transparency and restoring gold standard science.

00:24:07.060 I have to ask you a question in a second about Francis Collins.

00:24:10.480 That's coming.

00:24:11.480 But can I just double back to something you said about Chinese gene therapy,

00:24:15.720 where people are sending their, what, cells over to China?

00:24:19.140 And then you're stopping this.

00:24:20.720 But what was going on there?

00:24:22.600 Yeah.

00:24:22.760 The companies who were offering a gene editing sort of therapy for individuals,

00:24:29.360 something called CAR-T therapy, they were drawing the blood cells of Americans in the United States,

00:24:35.880 then shipping them off to outsource the gene editing to labs in China.

00:24:40.860 This is all recent.

00:24:41.800 It was just approved in the last administration.

00:24:43.880 And then they're shipped back to infuse into Americans. 0.99

00:24:46.280 And I thought, oh, my God, do people not understand the potential national security risk?

00:24:52.880 And I wonder if these patients were even informed what's going on.

00:24:58.120 Were they just told, hey, we're going to do this therapy.

00:25:00.440 We're going to draw your blood.

00:25:01.460 Did they even really understand what was happening?

00:25:04.920 Holy cow. 0.89

00:25:05.640 I didn't even consider that national security risk.

00:25:08.020 Like, what are the Chinese putting in there? 1.00

00:25:10.620 They could.

00:25:11.720 It's possible.

00:25:13.240 You're right.

00:25:13.960 I'm glad you're thinking about that.

00:25:15.060 I do want to ask you about Francis Collins, who used to have the job at the top of the NIH,

00:25:21.380 which our friend Jay Bhattacharya now has.

00:25:23.600 Thank God.

00:25:24.800 He went on late night the other night and said this.

00:25:29.600 Listen to this, Doc.

00:25:31.320 Stephen, we have other deficits that politics aren't going to solve.

00:25:35.340 Maybe they're making it worse.

00:25:36.960 There's a truth deficit.

00:25:38.980 We're in a place now.

00:25:40.520 Yeah.

00:25:40.720 There seems to be no real penalty for saying something that's demonstrably false.

00:25:46.420 It just, it's okay.

00:25:47.780 No, it's not.

00:25:49.000 We have a trust deficit.

00:25:51.920 We're because people don't know if they can be sure somebody's telling the truth.

00:25:55.960 Why should I trust that person?

00:25:57.180 So we stop trusting each other most of the time.

00:25:59.940 And that's dangerous also for our future.

00:26:02.260 There seems to be no real penalty for someone saying something that's demonstrably false.

00:26:10.540 I mean, preacher, heal thyself is what I think when I hear Francis Collins say that.

00:26:17.160 But what do you think as somebody who's been very honest about the COVID overreaches and now is in a position of authority?

00:26:22.920 Well, I don't know what he's referring to.

00:26:26.260 Are we supposed to blindly trust whatever the government tells us?

00:26:30.700 I mean, that's kind of what they did.

00:26:32.260 I mean, they were involved in censoring scientific dissent among experts.

00:26:37.460 So I do find it relatively arrogant for him to be out there on the sort of the truth bandwagon.

00:26:44.280 You know, we are trying to restore public trust.

00:26:46.160 It was damaged.

00:26:46.740 They lied to us about natural immunity, COVID boosters in young, healthy individuals, myocarditis, vaccine mandates in healthy subjects, about schools being closed for 18 months.

00:26:57.080 They lied to us about so many issues.

00:26:59.360 That's why trust is down.

00:27:00.620 We're trying hard to rebuild it.

00:27:02.900 And in order to do that, we have to have civil discourse.

00:27:05.980 So I hope we can get to a better place.

00:27:08.420 You know, my interest is not in sort of rebutting Francis Collins as he goes on The Colbert Show.

00:27:16.740 My interest is in delivering at the FDA more cures and meaningful treatments for the American public and healthy food for children.

00:27:24.920 We have a very exciting agenda that Secretary Kennedy has laid out.

00:27:30.020 We are delivering.

00:27:31.180 We've got wins on the board.

00:27:32.620 We're moving fast.

00:27:33.580 And we're just going to keep going.

00:27:35.280 I love it.

00:27:36.480 It's so great to hear.

00:27:37.420 Two questions on that.

00:27:38.740 Is there anything to be released?

00:27:41.160 Or like, are you even looking at that on what they did to us during COVID?

00:27:44.180 That would be potentially at FDA, potentially at NIH, and then Fauci's subset of NIH.

00:27:50.780 You know, I would imagine those guys, frankly, scrubbed the record of whatever bad documents there were before they left.

00:27:57.700 But have you guys looked at all to see if there's, you know, evidence of what they were doing?

00:28:03.520 Yes, we have.

00:28:04.400 They were sitting on data on myocarditis from the vaccine in young, healthy subjects.

00:28:09.440 And so we found out they were sitting on it, and they should have acted on it the second they had that data.

00:28:16.700 We responded by issuing a strong warning on myocarditis.

00:28:21.800 And as you know, we have told the companies, we're not going to rubber stamp blindly vaccines for young, healthy kids every year.

00:28:29.040 Show us a clinical trial.

00:28:30.200 Because, look, 85% of health care workers said no to the last COVID booster.

00:28:35.380 So we are taking action.

00:28:38.240 Honestly, I'm not interested in looking back.

00:28:41.420 I'm interested in success.

00:28:42.420 And I think that'll be the best statement on that issue.

00:28:46.140 You mentioned the wins you're racking up.

00:28:48.500 What's, like, every company practically is rolling over on the food dyes.

00:28:52.900 We just had an announcement from the ice cream industry, was it Turkey Hill, saying we're voluntarily pulling artificial food dyes out of our ice cream.

00:29:03.240 Another win for our public health, including RFKJ.

00:29:06.860 What do you make of that?

00:29:08.040 And do you think more and more companies are now going to go along with this?

00:29:10.500 We had President Trump with Coca-Cola announcing they're going to get rid of high fructose corn syrup and go to natural cane sugar.

00:29:16.120 Are these significant?

00:29:18.120 Yeah, Pepsi just made an announcement. 1.00

00:29:19.880 We've got General Mills, Kraft Heinz, Turkey Hill is a brand I love because it's a Pennsylvania company and I grew up in central Pennsylvania.

00:29:28.940 This is amazing, you know.

00:29:30.420 This is the first step.

00:29:32.500 We're going to keep going.

00:29:33.800 We took action to remove the nine petroleum-based food dyes and do it quickly.

00:29:38.180 Everyone said we couldn't do it.

00:29:39.860 Here we are several weeks later with almost half the food industry saying that we're going to do this.

00:29:45.120 We're going to keep going.

00:29:45.960 We saw titanium dioxide voluntarily removed from one of the largest candy makers in the United States from one of their products.

00:29:54.920 We want to rewrite the food pyramid misinformation, that food dietary guideline information.

00:30:01.120 We're rewriting it right now at FDA and USDA.

00:30:04.780 It's not going to demonize natural saturated fat, which has been the dogma and bandwagon effect of the government and the medical establishment.

00:30:14.040 It is going to be evidence-based and we are going to mention ultra-processed foods, which is now 70% of the diet of young kids.

00:30:22.060 So we're going to keep going.

00:30:23.340 On the drug side, as you know, we're accelerating approvals.

00:30:26.020 We have a pilot program to get answers out in weeks instead of a year.

00:30:30.180 We are reducing animal testing.

00:30:32.560 There's no need for routine animal testing requirements in many instances.

00:30:37.180 When I told you we looked under the hood and found some shocking stuff, we were still requiring animal testing for new drugs,

00:30:43.740 even though the drug was approved in Europe and used in tens of thousands of people already.

00:30:48.300 We're going to use computational modeling.

00:30:50.700 We brought in AI.

00:30:51.760 We're moving fast.

00:30:52.620 I want to see a cure for Alzheimer's, for ADHD, for PTSD.

00:30:59.980 Our veterans deserve a decision quickly.

00:31:02.860 I don't know if these drugs will provide a cure, but they deserve a decision quickly from the FDA.

00:31:09.240 Type 1 diabetes, some types of stage 4 cancer, and maybe a universal flu shot.

00:31:14.340 That data could look promising, whereby we're not guessing every year what strain to pick.

00:31:20.220 It's a universal flu shot with long-term protection.

00:31:23.720 Wow.

00:31:24.860 You're busy.

00:31:25.720 You've got to go.

00:31:26.540 Thank you for giving us this half an hour and updating us on these amazing developments

00:31:31.060 and really important information in there, in particular, on women's health.

00:31:34.720 Dr. McCary, always a pleasure.

00:31:36.440 Thank you.

00:31:37.240 You too, Megan.

00:31:38.100 Thanks so much.

00:31:39.420 Wow.

00:31:39.820 What a guy.

00:31:40.540 Aren't you so happy he's there?

00:31:42.540 I'm so happy.

00:31:43.380 I feel so much better knowing that we've got Dr. Marty McCary running FDA.

00:31:48.800 It's like our public health is being completely revamped.

00:31:52.460 And by the way, it's one department that's just had win after win after win.

00:31:57.480 Bobby Kennedy, Jay Bhattacharya, Marty McCary.

00:32:00.580 They're completely revamping and pushing through the Maha agenda.

00:32:03.920 And there's been really like no problems.

00:32:06.980 It's been quite remarkable.

00:32:08.640 These guys are making good on the promises that they and Trump ran on.

00:32:13.020 They in service of Trump.

00:32:14.780 And it's something for which he's gotten no credit because people are focused on other 0.98

00:32:17.960 things, which 99% of which are bullshit made up by the mainstream media. 0.96

00:32:22.340 OK, so there you go, Dr. Marty McCary. 0.98

00:32:24.880 And that whole conversation should make you feel good going into the weekend.

00:32:29.220 Talk to you soon.

00:32:29.720 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

00:32:35.440 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - July 20, 2025

Truth About Benefits of HRT For Women, and COVID Lies Uncovered, with FDA Commissioner Dr. Marty Makary

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