The Megyn Kelly Show - January 18, 2024


Truth About Kamala Harris's Rise and Relationships, and Gender Identity Reality, with Charlie Spiering and Billboard Chris | Ep. 705


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Amateur Hour: Kamala Harris in the White House is a new book by political journalist Charlie Spearing filled with juicy, never-before-told stories about the former California attorney general, former Vice President Joe Biden's running mate.

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00:00:00.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:00:12.480 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Oh, we have a great show lined
00:00:16.600 up for you today. I'm excited for our guests. Later, we're going to be joined by somebody I
00:00:20.580 really admire, and he is very brave. He goes by the name Billboard Chris on X, and you may be
00:00:27.640 familiar with him. He's a father who has dedicated his life to spreading the truth about gender
00:00:32.520 ideology and the harm it does to children. His personal story is amazing. This guy has guts,
00:00:40.100 and he's going to walk you through the latest insanity when it comes to legislation and policies
00:00:45.280 and what you don't know about why we do need these bans. We do need these bans on these cross-gender 1.00
00:00:51.640 procedures, whatever you want to call them. But we begin today with an exclusive interview
00:00:55.920 with a longtime journalist just out with a new book about Vice President Kamala Harris.
00:01:02.260 It is filled with juicy, never-before-told stories. Have you ever wondered how Kamala actually ascended
00:01:09.520 to the second highest office in the United States? How she was plucked from a failed 2020 presidential 1.00
00:01:15.540 race to become President Biden's running mate? Any idea that there is a rift between Vice President
00:01:23.320 Harris and the first lady that does not sound all that healable? Well, political journalist Charlie
00:01:30.000 Spearing has it all in his new book. It's called Amateur Hour, Kamala Harris in the White House. It's
00:01:36.980 available for pre-order, and it is out next week. Get your copy now. Charlie, welcome to the show.
00:01:44.780 Thanks, Megan. It's great to be here.
00:01:46.860 Great to have you. Okay, so it's about time somebody did this book.
00:01:49.880 Um, I'm fascinated by her relationships present day in the White House, but just set up for us
00:01:57.720 before we get there. Like, how did this person come on the national scene? I vaguely remember
00:02:02.600 when she was AG in California and people were paying some attention to her. She was like diverse.
00:02:07.980 She was back then this sort of law and order person, you know, she was considered tough on crime.
00:02:13.240 And before he knew it, she was vice president. So just take us through a little bit of her, 0.88
00:02:16.540 her background, how she became this political star.
00:02:20.880 Yeah, you know, a big part of it is her relationship with Willie Brown. She doesn't
00:02:25.900 like to talk about it, but it very much kicked off her political career, sort of put her on the path
00:02:31.420 to show up and demand from these progressive Democrats, I deserve a place on the stage,
00:02:37.320 elect me and I'll put you and I, you know, deserve to be your leader. And so a lot of people saw that.
00:02:43.720 And obviously, with the advance of Obama, you had a lot of national Democrats looking for the next
00:02:49.640 Obama. And that's kind of how she broke onto the national scene. As Attorney General of California,
00:02:55.300 people started talking about her as the next Obama, you know, it's she was almost insulted by it a 0.99
00:03:01.600 little bit. She's like, I'd rather be known as the Kamala Harris. But that's how sort of the national 1.00
00:03:07.240 media and the national donors kind of were first introduced to her.
00:03:12.320 Okay, so talk about that relationship and how that came about.
00:03:17.620 The relationship with Willie Brown, absolutely. You know, she had a choice, you can date the most
00:03:23.880 powerful, can date the most powerful person in California politics, for a certain amount of time,
00:03:31.520 and then you'll be rapidly successful. So she made that choice. She dated him for about a year
00:03:37.240 when he was running for mayor. And through that process, she was introduced to the entire
00:03:43.280 three pronged control of California, you know, the biggest businessmen, biggest stars,
00:03:50.020 the biggest donors, especially in San Francisco. And that sort of launched her social career,
00:03:55.780 you know, if we can call it a career, social and political career, the two go hand in hand so
00:04:00.240 well in California. And when she first decided to run for district attorney of San Francisco,
00:04:06.020 she kind of she already had a leg up. Right. Okay. So she was smart in getting, I mean, 1.00
00:04:13.680 literally in bed with someone in a position of power, who could power broker her way around San
00:04:20.100 Francisco and introduce her to all the right people. And she was beloved because even then in
00:04:26.480 progressive circles, you somehow get extra points as a human being, if you are black and of Indian
00:04:33.460 descent as she is. So, you know, you're somehow worth more in their eyes because this is the new
00:04:38.840 racist attitude on the left. Human beings have varying values based solely on skin color or
00:04:44.680 ethnicity. And so she fell into the right boxes for those people. And she'd been raised by some
00:04:50.500 radical leftists, Marxists even. So her policies were spot on for these folks, too.
00:04:59.300 Yeah, absolutely. She was, you know, her parents were, you know, she likes to talk about how she
00:05:03.740 grew up in the civil rights movement with her parents marching and shouting for justice. But in all
00:05:09.180 honesty, her parents were academics. They were more focused on the ideas of politics. And they were
00:05:15.620 members of the Afro-American club in Berkeley. And they, you know, did all have had all these meetings
00:05:21.720 and talked about Marxist ideals and, and people that they admired were definitely on the Marxist side
00:05:27.760 of things. Her father was described as a Marxist professor in Stanford. And so she definitely had the
00:05:34.180 sort of intellectual underpinnings. But when she got to start campaigning, she almost ran as a centrist when
00:05:41.780 there was already a radical progressive prosecutor, Terrence Hollen on it in San Francisco, who was,
00:05:47.760 who was really sort of the anti-Rudy Giuliani, who was very progressive. And Connell Harris kind of
00:05:53.280 showed up and campaigned to the right of them a little bit. You know, her famous thing was, 0.57
00:05:58.860 it's not about being soft on crime or hard on crime. It's about being smart on crime. So that's
00:06:03.720 kind of her way of selling her little more centrist position as she first ran for office in front of, 1.00
00:06:10.160 you know, the San Francisco elite.
00:06:14.140 So it was to the point you point out in the book, like she, she started off kind of tough on crime
00:06:18.320 and to the point where she gets elected, but then she, she's not going for the death penalty 0.98
00:06:27.140 in the murder of young cops. And it was so bad that Dianne Feinstein was completely opposite her.
00:06:35.820 So what Feinstein was what the mayor of San Francisco and was Kamala, the DA or the AG at
00:06:40.580 the time? Yeah, she was the DA of San Francisco. And during the funeral for this police officer that
00:06:47.240 was shot and killed, you know, Kamala had already made a statement that she was not going to,
00:06:51.940 you know, prosecute that you're not going to seek the death penalty in this case,
00:06:56.060 which really angered San Francisco police officers. You know, her, the police officer's mother later told,
00:07:03.000 you know, she made that decision before my son was even in the ground. So, you know,
00:07:07.760 you had the situation where at the funeral, you had San Francisco police officers turning their backs
00:07:12.520 to her and Feinstein stood up and was, and specifically, you know, pointed out that that's,
00:07:19.060 this is the reason why the death penalty exists. So it really took a kind of a shot at Kamala and 0.99
00:07:24.660 she did it for political reasons, but it was really a rare moment of political courage for Kamala Harris.
00:07:30.000 And she was definitely a little more cautious about taking hard stances on these issues and
00:07:34.820 subsequently. And then of course, when she ran for president, she tried to totally disavow 1.00
00:07:40.220 any times she was tough on crime and embrace the softer version of herself because this is in a
00:07:46.260 different era where we had different priorities and it was 2020 and so on. So, all right, next thing
00:07:52.120 you know, what the biggest stepping stone was AG of California, then U.S. Senator. And then before we
00:07:57.680 know it, she's running for president. Like this is may sound like a strange question, but what made
00:08:02.960 her think she should run for president? Well, she kind of saw herself as, as a democratic superhero. 1.00
00:08:09.600 She, she was one of the few candidates that actually won their race. Granted it was in liberal
00:08:13.960 California, but she was victorious while Hillary fell. And so she kind of viewed herself as kind of
00:08:19.900 the superhero for the anti-Trump movement. And that's why when she got to the Senate,
00:08:24.400 she didn't really waste time doing, you know, the sort of hard work of the Senate. She really got
00:08:29.200 out there right away and just started to be this figurehead of this anti-Trump, this anti-Trump force
00:08:36.400 in the Senate to sort of create these viral moments in the Senate to prove herself as a champion of the 1.00
00:08:41.600 left. And certainly she had the idea of Obama in the back of her mind, right? All you need to do is
00:08:47.120 serve a couple of years in the Senate and then you can run for president and win. How many senators have
00:08:50.860 had this same delusion that somehow you can be the next Obama and just do it for two years and then
00:08:56.400 run for president? Yeah, it doesn't work out well for people who don't have his retail politics skills
00:09:04.480 and that would include her. So one of the things people remember from her run for president, which
00:09:10.500 was disastrous, she got no support, was on stage at one of the debates. She called Joe Biden a racist.
00:09:18.300 She accused him of being a racist. I'm going to now direct this at Vice President Biden.
00:09:25.920 I do not believe you are a racist, but I also believe and it is personal and I was actually very it was hurtful
00:09:32.760 to hear you talk about the reputations of two United States senators who built their reputations
00:09:41.800 and career on the segregation of race in this country. And it was not only that, but you also
00:09:50.480 worked with them to oppose busing. And, you know, there was a little girl in California who was part
00:09:57.980 of the second class to integrate her public schools and she was bused to school every day.
00:10:03.920 And that little girl was me. And I actually didn't realize this until I read the refresher in your
00:10:10.840 book that he was actually offended by this for obvious reasons, but also because he had been
00:10:18.220 pretty good to her. He had considered her a friend and it was a personal backstab. I mean, it was it was
00:10:26.000 low. It was a low personal blow. It wasn't just politics. At least that's how he saw it.
00:10:31.040 Yeah. Kamala was friends with Beau Biden and and so he she had a relationship. She went to his funeral
00:10:38.120 and Beau Biden was really an important part of her relationship with Joe Biden. Certainly she made
00:10:44.820 that, you know, leverage that to her advantage. And for her to sort of turn on him really personally
00:10:51.580 hurt the president, but most of all hurt the first, you know, hurt Joe Biden. And she was not happy with
00:10:58.120 it. And certainly behind the scenes that any friend of Beau, any any member of the family was
00:11:04.260 furious at Kamala for sort of deploying this clearly calculated attack on Biden. And it was the reaction
00:11:11.060 was very fierce. And nonetheless, he made her his running mate, which I mean, truly everybody was
00:11:19.920 stunned by because that moment went viral in the campaign when she called him racist. And then he turns
00:11:25.820 makes her his running mate. So that was pure identity politics. I mean, the way you write about
00:11:29.880 in the book, he was truly just checking a box. He had promised Clybourne he'd do it. He did it.
00:11:36.480 And before you know it, he stuck with her. But the way I read the story from you, he's never really
00:11:43.260 embraced her. He kind of checked the box, moved on. It doesn't seem like a very good relationship.
00:11:48.760 Yeah. When they first were inaugurated and they, you know, when they first won the election,
00:11:54.640 they did these interviews with people like CNN and Jake Tapper. And they'd really try to sell this
00:12:00.520 version of how close they were, how personally tight they were, how they were going to work as
00:12:05.900 true partners in the White House. But wow, when they got to the White House, what a change.
00:12:10.160 It seemed like Biden's top advisors had little to didn't, you know, didn't necessarily want anything
00:12:15.500 to do with her. Biden barely had lunch with her in the beginning. And certainly as things got more
00:12:21.060 contentious, they's had fewer and fewer lunches. And Kamala was kind of kind of pushed aside and to
00:12:27.460 sort of fill these boxes for Biden when he needed her. But she certainly wasn't a true partner as they,
00:12:33.440 as he promised. Are you right about how he's literally kept her masked, you know, during the
00:12:39.160 COVID events when he had to give a speech, she'd be in the back of the room masked. She'd be like his
00:12:43.500 little nanny trying to say, like, don't forget to pull up your mask and never really wanted her to 1.00
00:12:50.200 play a front and center role. But he has given her some toads, at least toads for Democrats like,
00:12:57.700 hey, you'll be in charge of root causes of immigration. You know, if Trump said that to
00:13:02.540 a VP named Vivek Ramaswamy, we'd get something done. But in the Biden administration, which has no
00:13:08.820 desire to do anything about immigration to make her the front person on immigration is to humiliate 0.99
00:13:14.720 her. Yeah, she famous after she was appointed, you know, to be addressed the root causes. She was 0.99
00:13:21.240 furious at the idea when Republicans sort of ran with the idea that she was the immigrations are.
00:13:25.600 So she took every chance available to be like, I'm not the immigrations are. This is not my issue. 1.00
00:13:31.320 I'm just focusing on the root causes. And when she went to Guatemala and that she she was set up to 0.99
00:13:36.440 deliver the message, like, do not come, do not come, which angered a lot of progressives.
00:13:41.320 But wow, ever since she sent that message, it seemed like everybody's coming at this point. So
00:13:47.340 really
00:13:47.880 kind of backfired. Yeah, like do the opposite of what she says. Yeah, it's a serious problem. And
00:13:55.420 she whatever she's done, it hasn't done a single thing to help. It seems to have only hurt.
00:14:00.120 Um, you write about in the book, not only her frosty relationship with the president,
00:14:05.740 but also the first lady. So is that all a hangover from when she called Joe a racist or the problems 0.99
00:14:13.440 with Jill? Yeah, I think it is. Um, she famously writes in her own memoirs, Joe, Joe writes in her
00:14:19.960 memories that, you know, she's able to forgive, but she will never forget. And you definitely see that
00:14:25.460 kind of take place as she has, they have events together. Look on the surface, they're going to
00:14:30.880 share the warm rhetoric and praise each other and, and praise, you know, everything that they're
00:14:36.240 doing. But behind the scenes, you certainly don't see that kind of friendship developing between the
00:14:40.900 first lady and the first woman vice president. There's no, there's no power of the sisterhood.
00:14:45.740 There's no new connection there. It's, it's very much you, you are here, you serve my husband.
00:14:52.520 I will appreciate you, but I don't think I'm necessarily going to fall in love with you as,
00:14:57.960 as someone, as a, as a pal, you know, there's just, I don't have to like you.
00:15:02.300 What happened when they both wanted to go to Ukraine?
00:15:05.700 Yeah, this is very interesting. Uh, back when everybody was sort of trying to be,
00:15:10.420 all the leaders were trying to rush to Poland to demonstrate their support for Ukraine. Um,
00:15:17.040 Joe Biden and her team were planning an event to go during her spring break because Dr.
00:15:22.120 Biden's teaching at a community college. So she wanted to spend spring break going to Poland. Well,
00:15:27.180 it turned out Kamala Harris had the same idea and Kamala ended up winning out that race. 1.00
00:15:33.220 Um, so not to be outdone later, Joe Biden actually went to Ukraine for mother's day,
00:15:38.800 met with the first lady there and sort of one-upped her in this sort of, maybe it's not a complete power 0.97
00:15:45.180 struggle, but there's a little bit of behind the scenes, um, competition there.
00:15:50.940 Do, is there any chance based on what you've written and researched that he wants to,
00:15:56.700 or would find a way to get her off the ticket on his reelection big bid?
00:16:01.020 Yeah, I think he's stuck. I don't, I don't think that he personally is ready to move. He remembers
00:16:08.100 how insulting it was when Obama was sort of shopping this idea of replacing him on the ticket
00:16:13.240 with Hillary. So he'll never publicly say that or never, never even behind the scenes. He's not
00:16:18.080 even going to tell his advisors that he does not want that to leak. If anything like that leaks,
00:16:22.480 that's devastating because he can't get rid of her because if he does, it's admitting he made a huge
00:16:27.300 mistake and will also anger. It's a very political decision made on identity. So he'll also anger all
00:16:33.500 those constituencies he was trying to, you know, help and promote by simply by putting her on the
00:16:38.720 ticket. She has a, according to the latest USA Today, Suffolk University poll, which was late in
00:16:44.520 December. She has an approval rating of 33%, disapprove 57%. That's even worse than his.
00:16:53.800 Does she have delusions that she actually could run for president and win? 1.00
00:17:00.680 Well, that's the, that's the point of the book is like, maybe she doesn't have to run for president
00:17:05.400 again, right? If, if Biden wins reelection, there's a very good chance she could be the next president
00:17:11.160 without having to go through another election, not having to go to Iowa where she was so miserable
00:17:15.260 spending her Thanksgiving in Iowa. And she won't even have to do that anymore because it's now in
00:17:20.220 South Carolina, but there's a very good chance that she never has to run for real for election. 1.00
00:17:25.900 She'll just be the next president. If Joe Biden steps down. 0.64
00:17:30.420 That's why we need to be paying a little bit closer attention to her in advance of this next
00:17:34.220 election. I mean, they always say like a heartbeat away from the president. And sadly, in this case,
00:17:39.260 it's actually true. We all know Joe Biden's condition doesn't look good. He does not look vibrant
00:17:44.300 and he's a genuine, genuinely elderly man. So, you know, good health or not, anything can happen
00:17:49.560 when you're in your eighties. God bless. Um, what's the story with how, forgive me, but how dumb she 1.00
00:17:56.000 sounds, but she just does. She's like, is she not a smart person? Well, she certainly as vice president, 0.99
00:18:04.680 she's become a little, a little nervous and a little bit coached, right? They've, they,
00:18:09.500 when they brought her in, she, it was in very much need of lots of media training. And a lot of that
00:18:16.080 is, is showing up where she, she can continues on with these run on sentence, so many dependent
00:18:22.180 clauses. And it seems like her, you know, say a word, then define the word and then open up warmly
00:18:29.420 to your audience. None of those coaching things are working. She, you find herself sort of spinning
00:18:34.740 around in circles, throwing in more dependent clauses, defining terms that everybody knows,
00:18:39.500 trying to, you know, connect with people. And so at this point, she's sort of resulted into a
00:18:46.080 basically semi-competent rehearser, uh, of talking points. I think on the view yesterday,
00:18:52.680 she was very much focused, very much coach spewing out the talking points for the next,
00:18:58.580 for the election campaign. And there really wasn't any personal moment there. It was very much, uh,
00:19:04.180 rehearsed. Yeah. All right. We have examples of all this, which I really want to get into. Okay.
00:19:08.420 She was on the view yesterday being universally praised in the left-wing press, but you know,
00:19:12.820 how amazing and powerful she was, which are words you never hear about Kamala Harris.
00:19:16.680 Here she is talking about, uh, the, her feelings about Trump winning sound, but one.
00:19:22.560 Now, are you scared? First of all, what could happen if Trump ever became God forbid president
00:19:27.960 again? And what are you going to do to stop the crazies?
00:19:32.920 I am scared as heck.
00:19:36.640 Yeah. Which is why I'm traveling our country. You know, there's an old saying that there are only two
00:19:40.960 ways to run for office, either without an opponent or scared. So on all of those points, yes, we should
00:19:48.400 all be scared. We don't run away from something when we're scared. We fight back against it. We have to
00:19:53.960 earn the reelect and we have to communicate what we have achieved. We've done a lot of good work.
00:19:59.740 We need to net, let people know who brought it to them.
00:20:03.940 Just in case you're wondering here, she is over on ABC, uh, that same day or the next day
00:20:09.140 with a very similar message. Take a listen. Stop six.
00:20:13.460 You've been confident. Your campaign has been confident. Some are concerned. You all may be a
00:20:17.180 little too confident. Why not go out and attack Donald Trump? Go after his legal challenges. What are you
00:20:21.860 guys waiting for? Well, let me just tell you something. I am of the school that you either
00:20:26.540 run without an opponent or you run scared. Oh my God. She went on, I think in that same
00:20:33.860 sound bite to say the thing about brung you it's it's, these are lines. A lot of politicians use lines
00:20:39.560 uses they use lines, but it's not because they have to that. That's the thing with her. When she gets 1.00
00:20:44.540 off script, you're right. It's always word salad or inanity. You called our attention to this clip. And I
00:20:51.760 think it, it's a great example of what we're talking. This should have been a home run.
00:20:56.620 The, if, if you could be a, uh, superhero, what power would you like to have? Like what,
00:21:03.340 what would be your favorite power? Right. I mean, like I'd love to fly.
00:21:06.200 It'd be so cool.
00:21:08.000 She was in a zoom with all the marvel stars and she's asked this simple question.
00:21:15.760 Okay. So this is a no brainer. And so it's, and it's incredibly foreseeable. You will be asked that
00:21:19.980 in that particular setting, but I mean, pick any of them or anything I would like to see. I'd like
00:21:26.940 to be invisible. I'd like to be able to see through things. I'd like superhuman strength or speed,
00:21:31.880 whatever, pick something. Here's what she said in South 11.
00:21:36.440 Lots of superpowers. I would love to have that you all have. Um, but I think that, you know,
00:21:42.240 when we think of the princess of Wakanda, um, that incredible sister, um, Shuri, I think that,
00:21:49.120 you know, the ability to like come together and develop new technologies and tackle climate change
00:21:56.500 and invest in, you know, I, I often say that the, the ability that we should all have to be able to
00:22:04.160 see what can be unburdened by what has been right. Um, I think that's such an incredible superpower.
00:22:14.840 That is her favorite platitude. She always goes there. She doesn't know what to say. She never
00:22:21.320 has anything insightful or profound to offer. That's a great example of it. She climate change
00:22:28.020 hero. Who's that? Which, which super power is that? Yeah. It's almost like she takes her own
00:22:36.000 line, her own superhero line that you did such a great montage of it in a show the other day.
00:22:41.000 It's, it's her favorite line. She really wants it to be her hope and change. It still hasn't caught
00:22:46.180 on and keeps using it in this instance. She tried to horn her, her unburdened by what has been into a 1.00
00:22:53.160 Marvel superhero and then say that that's suddenly her. She's the superhero. And it's funny how
00:22:58.660 she has this idea of superheroes because she wrote a children's book right before she ran for president.
00:23:05.140 Um, and it has a lot of videos of her sitting on this couch, telling all these children how they
00:23:09.700 are superheroes. I'm a superhero. You're a superhero. Everybody's a superhero. So it's kind of funny.
00:23:14.680 She she'll talk about how she's been married, but she really just can't answer a simple question.
00:23:19.920 We clearly need to see that song. But again, her unburdened by what has been nonsense. Here it
00:23:24.960 is. I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by what has been, you know, what can be unburdened
00:23:33.860 by what has been, what can be unburdened by what has been, what can be unburdened by what has been,
00:23:43.360 what can be unburdened by what has been, what we can see, what we believe can be unburdened by what
00:23:52.500 has been, what can, oh my God, unburdened by what has been, what can be unburdened by what has been.
00:24:00.620 Oh my Lord. I can't.
00:24:02.400 What a great shot of Bill Clinton sitting there kind of slumped in his chair. Like, I can't believe I'm
00:24:07.300 listening. And I, the thing that makes it especially noxious to me is her acting, you know,
00:24:15.820 like unburdened by what has been, you know, like, like she's going to take you there.
00:24:23.620 She doesn't have it. She, she doesn't have it. The it factor that the thing, it, the thing that
00:24:29.500 penetrates the lens, the thing that makes people want to listen to you, that makes you a dynamic
00:24:33.760 speaker. You know, she thinks she's Rush Limbaugh. She's not. It's just, and it's so obvious. So
00:24:40.700 there's, there's a couple of examples. I do think, what is it about her? Is it that she's a simpleton
00:24:47.560 because she tries to quote, explain things to people all the time as though she's talking to 0.88
00:24:54.020 a two-year-old. And look, I talk to my audience about complex things all the time. And I never assume
00:25:00.820 anybody understands, you know, a complex thing. I always give a couple of lines of explanation
00:25:06.100 because people are living their lives and they're not following politics day and night. Like I am,
00:25:10.020 but I don't treat them like they're idiots. I have a respect for my audience's intelligence 0.99
00:25:15.840 that they deserve because I talked to my audience. They call in all the time on Sirius XM. They write in
00:25:21.160 at megankelly.com. She talks to the people listening to her. Like she thinks they're on the short bus,
00:25:28.040 forgive me, but she does. So here is an example of what I'm talking about in Saad 8.
00:25:34.620 So Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger 0.64
00:25:44.320 country. Russia is a powerful country. Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine.
00:25:50.460 So basically that's wrong. This issue of transportation is fundamentally about just
00:25:56.560 making sure that people have the ability to get where they need to go.
00:26:00.660 Space is exciting. It spurs our imaginations and it forces us to ask big questions.
00:26:12.220 Space, it affects us all. And it connects us all.
00:26:17.860 It gives us a sense of the magnitude of it all. Earth is kind of small.
00:26:27.140 Earth is like a speck.
00:26:33.120 Yeah. Earth is small.
00:26:35.960 Yeah. There's some other ones where she talks about how hard hats are actually unisex.
00:26:42.620 And one time trying to make a joke and nobody laughed. And then there's another incident where
00:26:47.240 she talks about how, what it was like. She's telling a group of audience, she's telling an
00:26:52.280 audience of people connected to NASA, what it's like to launch into space and goes on and
00:26:58.000 climbed into the rocket ship and they sat down and they put on their helmet and they launched.
00:27:04.520 So she's been through a number of speech writers. This is not a job that too many people want. And I
00:27:11.780 sort of outlined that in a chapter of the book talking about her staff overturn and how high it
00:27:16.400 is. Yes. But I feel like at one point there was a speech writer that told her, bring it down to the
00:27:22.500 simplest terms and then connect with your audience on those terms. I don't think she really got the
00:27:27.360 lesson because even in her, even in her teleprompter speeches, she can't quite make it work. And 0.87
00:27:33.040 certainly in roundtables, it's a disaster. Yes. So do we think this is those examples? Is that
00:27:39.780 her or is that speech writers? It doesn't really matter because in the end, she's the one delivering
00:27:45.360 it. If a speech writer ever wrote a speech for me as vice president and it read like that, I'd tear
00:27:51.020 it up and I'd fire that person. So it kind of doesn't matter. But I am curious if you know the answer.
00:27:55.380 Yeah, a big part of it is her. There has been so many stories about how terrible she has been on
00:28:03.460 just even delivering the most scripted lines. There's a lot of stories of people who just quit
00:28:07.940 in frustration, knowing that even that famous interview she did about the border set, you know,
00:28:16.000 that that one where she talks about how she hasn't been to the border, but she hasn't been to Europe
00:28:20.560 either. Um, that was after significant meeting training, media training, and they had prepared
00:28:26.160 her to answer that question. And when it came time to answer that question on live television,
00:28:29.920 uh, she came up with her own thing and it was just totally astonishing.
00:28:34.780 It's amazing. Like as a, as you're, as a politician, I would imagine the Bill Clintons of the world,
00:28:39.220 the Trumps of the world, trust your instincts is a good moniker. Like when you don't know, or,
00:28:43.960 you know, thing to remember, if you don't know the answer, trust your instincts. If you're one of
00:28:48.080 those guys with her, it's exactly the opposite. Whatever your instincts are telling you do the
00:28:53.600 opposite, do the George Costanza, do not trust your instincts. Here she is the other day talking
00:28:59.440 to, um, university of South Carolina women's basketball team. This was just on Monday. Watch
00:29:04.340 this. When the people are in these stands, watching you be they parents or students or kids,
00:29:12.680 you're lifting them up. When people are out here saying, Oh, are they saying yay? Or they say all
00:29:19.300 of the things that they say in response to the game, you're lifting them up with a sense of joy
00:29:26.580 about being a part of a community. And we need that. Oh my God. She doesn't know how to connect
00:29:35.720 with people. What, what is she saying? You're making the audience feel good when you, when you
00:29:40.620 play well, duh, there's nothing additional in anything she says. Go ahead, Charlie.
00:29:47.300 Yeah. Let me explain to her, to you what it's like to be a basketball player. Let me explain what you
00:29:52.300 should be feeling, what you're supposed to do. And so no, I don't need you to explain Kamala. I need
00:29:58.980 you to, you know, pretend I'm actually here and actually, uh, thank me for what I do and just move
00:30:06.040 forward and make me feel human when I'm talking to you and don't give me the kindergarten speech.
00:30:11.600 That's, that's the problem. They're just kindergarten speeches where she's looking down at you, um,
00:30:17.060 trying to explain, uh, a concept that kind of everybody knows. Right. All I feel is insulted.
00:30:23.740 I've, my intelligence is insulted. I'm bored by you. I'm offended by you. And you know,
00:30:29.500 the thing is, it almost makes me think of Oprah. So Oprah actually was full of profundities when she 0.96
00:30:35.920 did that show. You know, I realize I have different feelings about her today too, when she's gone
00:30:40.540 political, but back in the day, you know, when I was young in law school and you turn on the Oprah
00:30:44.260 Winfrey show, you would hear something that would give you, Oh, that's good. That's like something.
00:30:48.340 She's the one we got aha moment from, you know, she had these little catchphrases where you're like,
00:30:52.260 Oh yeah, that's something to think about. And her team would set it to music, you know,
00:30:57.180 and they'd slow down the interaction. They put in slow-mo, like her hug with a firefighter or
00:31:02.660 something. And you'd be moved. You'd think, Oh, I feel inspired. She thinks she's Oprah. She thinks
00:31:08.680 we're going to add a little twinkly music. I'm going to say it like this. And even though it's total
00:31:15.460 inanity, it's going to move people. Wow. That's such a good point, Megan. I never connected her with
00:31:22.120 Oprah. You know, early in her career, she was sort of selected as one of the rising young women
00:31:26.940 politicians. And she did get a feature on the Oprah channel way back in the day, but I never really
00:31:31.880 got the, I never really thought about that, how maybe she's just trying to be Oprah. Maybe she's
00:31:36.980 trying to be a healer. Maybe she's trying to empower and encourage women. At this point, I'll, 0.96
00:31:44.920 you know, I've spoken to a lot of women about her. A lot of them don't feel the same way. 1.00
00:31:48.820 Yeah. It's a no. Um, it's a no, including like her approval rating so low. Okay. I mean,
00:31:56.520 33% there, there are more women in America than that. Um, she also in her attempt to inspire 0.51
00:32:03.640 and tell her own inspirational story, whether it's her role as a superhero, because she's
00:32:09.320 unburdened by what has been, um, or whether it's with the basketball team, like, you know,
00:32:14.900 you throw the ball, people feel good. She tells this personal story about herself that it's
00:32:21.660 come into question just this week on whether this is her story or someone else's story.
00:32:28.860 So she told the story on Fallon. She also gave it to Elle magazine. It's appeared a couple
00:32:34.600 of other places. I'll give you the example. It resurfaced this week on X, um, SOT 12.
00:32:40.380 You get that energy from your, uh, your parents or the, the thought of, Hey, I have to fight
00:32:47.840 for what's right. And, um, I'm going to get out there. And I mean, when, when were you out
00:32:51.960 there protesting? Well, I was in a stroller and so I was out there. And in fact, my mother
00:33:01.040 used to have a very funny story, but I was fussing and, and, and she said, Kamala, what do you
00:33:06.660 want? And I said, and this is how she would say it. And she said, Kamala, what do you want?
00:33:11.660 And I said, tweet them. Oh, come on. It was a much cuter story when she would tell it, but
00:33:21.060 that's the story. Okay. Um, in January, 1965, Martin Luther King gave an interview to Playboy
00:33:31.640 Magazine. The quote is as follows. I never will forget. This is MLK. I never will forget
00:33:38.760 a moment in Birmingham when a white policeman accosted a little Negro girl, seven or eight
00:33:44.880 years old, who was walking in a demonstration with her mother. What do you want? The policeman
00:33:51.380 asked her gruffly. And the little girl looked him straight in the eye and answered freedom.
00:33:57.060 She couldn't even pronounce it, but she knew it was beautiful. I mean, it's almost word
00:34:03.800 for word that, that looked me right in the eyes. What do you want? Couldn't pronounce
00:34:10.860 it. And I said, freedom. I I'm calling bullshit on it. I, there's just, I don't believe her.
00:34:20.680 Yeah. Barry wise was one of the ones that pointed out a lot of people on X or Twitter at the times
00:34:25.840 sort of called her out on that is what's funny about that story is that when she told it to L
00:34:29.860 Magazine, she told the story about how she had fallen out of the stroller and her parents went
00:34:35.080 on without her. And then later for her vice presidential nomination speech, she changed
00:34:39.900 the story to, I went to protest strapped tightly in my stroller and sort of left the falling out of
00:34:45.120 the stroller out entirely. But yeah, I think a lot of people are right to call out this moment.
00:34:50.640 Yeah. That little girl appears to, you know, she appears to that little girl was me.
00:34:57.220 She's stolen somebody else's story. That's how it sounds. She stole the story from the MLK interview,
00:35:04.300 inserted herself into it to make herself sound like she had some greater purpose and knew it right from
00:35:10.000 a young age. And honestly, like if a white person had done this, can you imagine the blowback? It
00:35:17.840 doesn't make it any better that she did it. It's not her story. It's obviously not her story.
00:35:23.560 There's a reason why she says, and so many events, she says, you never let anyone else tell your story.
00:35:29.640 You be the one to tell your story. And of course, if you're telling the story, then you'll be the hero of
00:35:34.220 your own story. You'll be the, you know, it's all part of the civil rights narrative. Like I grew up
00:35:39.000 marching and shouting for justice in Berkeley, California. Like somehow I was pushing for
00:35:44.420 change that was already there, but you definitely noticed that she likes to tell her own story and 0.91
00:35:51.280 she will take any advantage in any license to sort of make it appear more, you know, better than what 1.00
00:35:57.060 it is. And meanwhile, wasn't she raised for the most part up in Canada, going to some Tony French
00:36:02.400 school? Like how much time did she spend on the streets of Berkeley chanting and marching?
00:36:09.820 Yeah, she lived in Berkeley or she lived in Montreal up in Canada when she went to high school. And so
00:36:15.160 she didn't really have much of an experience as an American, let alone somebody in the deep South. So
00:36:20.240 her identity is very much tied up with sort of the elite upbringing of a child of academics.
00:36:26.060 Makes perfect sense. All right, stand by. Uh, we're going to take a quick break and come right back.
00:36:31.760 Charlie. This is fascinating. Great stuff. Don't forget by the book. Now it's called appropriately
00:36:37.000 amateur hour. Okay. By support, Charlie amateur hour. I think you'll laugh, you'll cry,
00:36:43.800 and probably you'll be sure to vote. It is not just, you know, mean people on the center right
00:36:55.280 who have noticed that Kamala Harris is all too easy to laugh at. It's also folks like the daily show,
00:37:04.220 which, you know, they're committed leftists, but she's just too rich in the material to ignore.
00:37:10.800 And even they saw the opportunity to pick it up. Here's a bit they aired in October of 22.
00:37:17.640 My fellow Americans, words have many meanings. And sometimes instead of conveying our meaning,
00:37:23.920 they can suggest other meanings. When we talk about the children of the community,
00:37:28.120 they are the children of the community. Well, we are the United States of America because we are
00:37:34.060 united and we are states. I'm talking about the significance of the passage of time.
00:37:40.800 Right. The significance of the passage of time. So when you think about it, there is great
00:37:46.100 significance to the passage of time. Obesity is a serious disease and it needs to be taken
00:37:51.800 seriously. You need to get to go and need to be able to get where you need to go to do the work
00:37:57.020 and get home. I hope that clarifies the issue. And this can be the last word on those words.
00:38:02.960 Certain issues are just settled. Clearly we're not.
00:38:05.160 No, that's right. And that's why I do believe that we are living, sadly, in real unsettled times.
00:38:17.060 What a closer. Because that clip of Costa, he is asking her about abortion and she has this
00:38:23.140 reputation of being such a great fighter on abortion. But when she first started out,
00:38:27.120 she really struggled on the issue and really struggled to explain to women exactly what the 1.00
00:38:31.080 Biden administration was going to do after Roe was overturned.
00:38:34.760 The one thing she does seem to care about legitimately is anything involving race. I mean,
00:38:39.580 she is one of the first people to tout it, exploit it, rush in to make a political moment out of it.
00:38:45.500 She flew right down to Tennessee when those lawmakers had their hissy fit about not getting their way on 1.00
00:38:51.020 the floor in South Carolina. She injected herself into the Jacob Blake when he resisted arrest and
00:38:57.980 tried to attack police and then got shot. I could go down. There's there's many other examples during
00:39:03.460 the Black Lives Matter protests. If she sees anything having to do with race, she's the first 0.98
00:39:09.720 to raise her hand and say, let me let me. So is that sincerely held? Is that political? Both.
00:39:17.820 A little bit of both. Absolutely. The Biden team sees her. That's her biggest value on the ticket,
00:39:23.840 right? Is to go down there, pull out your best Al Sharpton, and then make the issue very much all
00:39:30.240 about race and and how racist the Republicans are. You know, she talks so much about being unburdened
00:39:35.280 by what has been, but she actually likes to burden everybody with what has been. And she likes to 0.88
00:39:39.920 remind people constantly. So we're it's really it's really a big reason why they chose her. They chose
00:39:48.800 her during the riots, the George Floyd riots over the summer when Biden promised that he would select
00:39:55.440 a woman vice president in a debate. It became very obvious that it could not just be a woman
00:40:01.280 vice president, had to be a black woman vice president, because when they when people looked 1.00
00:40:06.000 back at why they lost to Trump, they realized that without Obama on the ticket, they could not appeal to
00:40:12.000 enough Democrats to get him across the finish line. Hillary famously chose Senator Tim Kaine as her running 1.00
00:40:17.280 mate, most vanilla white guy ever. So that was not a success. So advisors, Biden's advisors knew that
00:40:26.320 he had to select a black woman, even though he didn't necessarily want to. Biden wanted to choose 0.98
00:40:32.480 Gretchen Whitmore more than anybody else. He really wanted to do it. He even admitted to Clyburn during
00:40:37.680 the decision that had a hard time, you know, making a decision between his heart and his head.
00:40:42.080 Well, his advisors eventually conjoled, especially Barack Obama, who's also a big Kamala advocate,
00:40:49.280 you know, convinced him that this was the best choice to beat Trump. And they were kind of scared.
00:40:53.600 So they kind of had to do that, do that. And wow, that's really what she has become a spokesman
00:40:59.200 for anything involved, you know, involved on race, because Biden can't do it. We saw him so many times
00:41:05.200 during the debates where he would start talking about race issues and people would leftists would
00:41:09.360 groan and, you know, shake their heads like, what are you doing talking about segregationists? What
00:41:14.000 are you doing talking about, you know, black kids, poor folks being just as good as white kids, 0.93
00:41:19.440 you know, and making repeated gas on race. So they knew they had to have somebody that could do it
00:41:26.320 better. It's amazing. That's that's an actual Joe Biden quote, poor folks, just as good as white 1.00
00:41:30.880 it was white folks are just as smart, whatever. We know what you mean. We get it. OK, there are 0.64
00:41:35.360 a lot of white kids who are poor, too. Hello. Hello, Joe Biden. So, yeah, she's supposed to erase
00:41:40.160 his racial insensitivity because he's now he's got like the insurance card. Like, hey,
00:41:45.440 what do you mean? I made the vice president a black woman. She just the other day when I mentioned that 1.00
00:41:51.680 ABC interview, which she had the exact same language as she had with The View. Once again,
00:41:59.200 with the word salad. Now, you would think the one thing because I remember when Ted Kennedy ran
00:42:03.360 and one of the problems in his run, the reason they didn't believe that he made it was he didn't
00:42:08.480 have a clear reason for running like he didn't make it 100 percent clear. This is my mission.
00:42:12.000 This is what I stand for. And this is why I'm running. And this moment kind of reminded me of
00:42:16.240 that. She doesn't have it either. She was asked. And it's thought five. Take a listen.
00:42:21.920 Do you think Donald Trump at this point is a foregone conclusion?
00:42:25.120 I don't know. But look, if it is Donald Trump, we've beat him before and we'll beat him again.
00:42:32.160 When you again look at all of the issues that are at stake, including our standing in the world,
00:42:37.760 I think that the people of America want more in terms of
00:42:45.120 the outcome of this election and charting the course for the future of our country.
00:42:49.760 It's just a bunch of nothing. It's she's an air sandwich. And I'll tell you what she reminds me
00:42:56.960 of. I just said this to my team. Do you remember it was back in 2006? We covered this on my show at
00:43:02.960 the time on Fox or on Fox. Was it six, 2006, Deb? How can that be? Anyway, it must have been seven
00:43:10.480 because I didn't get my show until 2007. She she ran for Miss Teen USA. Remember this girl? She was
00:43:19.360 asked. We found the question. Some something about why some Americans can't find the United States
00:43:27.600 on a map. Why do you think that is? And here's how this gal answered. 0.82
00:43:31.280 I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because some people out there in our nation
00:43:42.800 don't have maps. And I believe that our education, like such as South Africa and the Iraq everywhere, 0.97
00:43:50.960 like such as. And I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S.
00:43:58.960 or should help South Africa. It should help the Iraq and the Asian countries. So we will be able to 0.99
00:44:05.440 build up our future. That's our vice president. It's the same person.
00:44:12.720 You know, you're a trained broadcaster, so you immediately notice the the cues when she doesn't
00:44:17.680 know what she said. And you see this with Kamala, too. She'll like look down and then look back up at
00:44:21.360 the camera and then look down and look back up and then look furtively around it if she doesn't
00:44:25.760 know what she's saying. So, yeah, still need to work on the media training if you definitely think
00:44:31.440 before you speak, but do some more. That deep comparison by The Daily Show is spot on. And
00:44:38.960 honestly, this this young gal, like it would be like this young gal going on to be vice president.
00:44:43.600 The other problem with Kamala Harris is and look, you know, I'm sure, you know,
00:44:46.720 her husband loves her and she's a nice stepmom to her two daughters. Look,
00:44:51.760 the American people feel differently about her. And the truth is her staff doesn't like her because
00:44:57.520 she cannot retain staff. And this has been a story from the time she became vice president. 0.95
00:45:03.600 The media loves to report on how Ron DeSantis is super PAC has had all these problems internally.
00:45:08.800 Take a look at Kamala Harris because she cannot keep speechwriters or anyone else for that matter. So why is that? 1.00
00:45:16.240 Well, a big part of when she came in, she made a very big point of hiring a very diverse staff.
00:45:20.960 That seemed to be the number one priority. And then when she got in the office with everybody,
00:45:25.360 she realized that they they it was really hard to work together with each other.
00:45:29.440 And certainly DC professionals are very smart and they're very focused on, you know, creating a career.
00:45:36.800 And when they ended up at the VP's office, they probably thought, hey, this is a good
00:45:41.040 moment for my career and I can leverage this up to something bigger. But when that is going nowhere,
00:45:46.640 you and I know that DC professionals tend to leave pretty quickly if it doesn't look like
00:45:51.840 that this person is going to take you far into success. So there was definitely a major overturning
00:45:59.040 that happened. I think it was 13 people in in the first year or the first couple of years
00:46:05.040 in the first 18 months, I think it was. And so many people just leaving and even senior people leaving,
00:46:12.400 you know, famous, famous people like her press secretary left for a show on MSNBC.
00:46:20.480 Her speech writers left and so many others just even her advanced people were leaving
00:46:25.920 very, very early on. Like they were just not happy there.
00:46:30.320 You write in the book about again, uh, the book out, uh, next week it called amateur hour.
00:46:37.920 You write in the book about she's got this thing about a specific kind of pen. And when I first
00:46:42.560 started to read it, I was like, well, I like, I like a certain kind of pen. I actually like these
00:46:45.680 pens right here. They are uniball vision elite. I like these little pens because they have like a
00:46:52.880 fine point in the, they never break. They never like, they're not expensive. You can get them
00:46:57.040 right now. It goes beyond that with her. Right. A staffer would, you know, so much reporting was
00:47:03.760 done about a staffer who would come up. She'd be like, not this pen and demand that the staffer 0.98
00:47:08.640 will get the right pen. Uh, so many incidents of where she would, you know, show up unprepared for
00:47:14.720 an interview and then, and then yell at the, yell at the staffer that briefed her on it as,
00:47:19.360 as, as making the mistakes, blaming it all on her or on, on the staffer rather than taking
00:47:23.520 responsibility herself. And so you're not very much, you're, it's very clear. She's not a very
00:47:28.400 good leader of people. So if she can't even lead her staff, how is she going to lead the country? 0.99
00:47:33.440 How is she going to lead even her cabinet when it's all been previously by Joe Biden? She's going
00:47:39.520 to be kind of running the zombie camp cabinet. If she becomes president that was picked by Joe Biden,
00:47:44.560 how is she going to make that happen? I think there's a lot of questions and there's people on the
00:47:48.720 right and the left that are concerned and they're not racist or sexist just for being concerned and
00:47:53.600 pointing that out. Yeah. She expects you to have her pen. If you work for her in your office,
00:48:00.240 just in case she comes by and needs to write something. See how good you have it, Abigail
00:48:04.960 Finan. I never do that to you. You can have your own pens. It's absurd. The book is very interesting.
00:48:13.200 You've gotten some great nuggets in here. Thank you so much for doing the work, Charlie Spearing.
00:48:17.680 Please come back. Again, everyone buy it. It's called Amateur Hour. It's available for purchase
00:48:22.560 January 23rd, but get your copy now because you know how these things go. They sell out. You don't
00:48:26.160 want to be on the end of that list. Amateur Hour. Get it now. All the best to you, sir.
00:48:30.800 Thank you so much, Megan. What a great platform you've created. And I'm really happy to debut the
00:48:35.120 launch of the book here on the show. Oh, thank you. It's our honor. We'll be right back with Billboard Chris.
00:48:40.400 Now we are joined by someone I have been wanting to talk to for the longest time.
00:48:48.560 His name is Chris Elston, also known as Billboard Chris. If you're on X at all, you've probably seen
00:48:55.680 pictures or little snippets of Billboard Chris. He's been doing more than virtually anyone to call
00:49:02.880 attention to the gender insanity that we have unleashed on our children, both here and, 0.99
00:49:09.120 as Knowles calls it, our evil top hat Canada, where Billboard Chris does a lot of his work.
00:49:14.800 Now he travels all over North America spreading the truth about the very real harms of this radical
00:49:22.000 new push. Chris, it's great to have you here. Welcome.
00:49:24.800 Thank you so much, Megan. It's a huge honor to be here. Who would have ever thought that in my 40s,
00:49:30.720 I'd be traveling the world talking about why we shouldn't be sterilizing kids and cutting off their 0.99
00:49:36.140 body parts. We live in a crazy world. You know what? Thank you for saying that. Can I tell you,
00:49:40.940 there's something that's been on my mind is here as people are discussing why Ron DeSantis did not
00:49:47.960 resonate more with the GOP electorate. They're actually saying things like, well, the trans stuff,
00:49:54.040 you know, he was too, he was too radical for the moderates on the trans stuff. I completely reject
00:50:01.100 that. Completely reject. These are Republican moderates. These aren't Democrat. These are
00:50:05.520 Republican moderates. And secondly, I don't care. Even if that is a reason he didn't resonate with
00:50:12.240 them. Good for him for fighting the fight. We're talking about the sterilization of children, Chris.
00:50:18.680 Yes. So first of all, any commentators saying that, that's complete nonsense. I've had more
00:50:25.100 conversations all around the world on this subject than probably anyone with people on the street and
00:50:30.260 at university campuses. And even from day one, when I first started doing this, more than 90% of the
00:50:36.060 population supports this message. Because obviously, we all know instinctively that our children are
00:50:42.820 beautiful just as they are. They don't need drugs and scalpels to find their true selves. And the one
00:50:48.660 issue that Republicans should be hammering away on is this one, because they'll get support all day
00:50:54.520 long from every Republican voter, almost every centrist. And they're also going to pick up a lot
00:51:01.080 of the moderate Democrats, especially people from demographics they don't historically do very well
00:51:07.080 with the black community, the Hispanic community, and the Asians and all the immigrant groups. None 0.61
00:51:12.440 of them support this. There was, of all the candidates, Ron DeSantis was, I think, perfect on
00:51:19.700 this issue. Vivek Ramaswamy, I'd also say he was perfect. I did see you agree with that, but you
00:51:25.800 called Vivek out on one thing in a nice way. And I think it's something I'm still struggling to
00:51:30.820 understand, too. So I'm going to play this sound, but you can explain where his language was off in
00:51:36.880 your view and educate us all on how we should be talking about the word gender. Here's Vivek and
00:51:43.140 Sat, 22. And you know how we're doing it? We're doing it by speaking the truth at every step of the
00:51:50.920 way. There are two genders in this country. Period. That is the truth. For the listening audience, 1.00
00:52:00.740 that was Vivek the other night when he was endorsing Trump in New Hampshire. So explain your thoughts on
00:52:05.580 the use of that word. Yeah. So if this were five years ago, I'd say that language is fine.
00:52:10.460 And I get what he's saying. And of course, he's right. But the word we should be using is the word
00:52:14.880 sex. Because this word gender has been really co-opted by the left, and they use it to mean
00:52:22.020 something else. Essentially, for them, your gender is a feeling inside. And it means your gender identity.
00:52:29.040 Well, there's no such thing as a gender identity. We don't have gendered souls inside. I have this 0.52
00:52:33.500 expression that there are two sexes, there are zero genders, and there are infinite personalities.
00:52:38.880 Because that sums us all up. And we all knew this for the longest time, of course. And for a long time,
00:52:44.340 we used gender as a polite synonym for sex. But the word has come to mean too many different things.
00:52:50.460 And we need to take back this language. And we should just talk about there being two sexes. 1.00
00:52:56.460 Because for the left, your gender is just a feeling. It's total nonsense. It's confusing
00:53:01.920 children. So we should just get back to the very basics of this.
00:53:06.080 So do you take that as far as to what do you do about using the term gender when you're saying
00:53:10.360 gender ideology or the gender madness? Do you still use it there? Or do you like, 0.94
00:53:15.560 should it never be used if we're saying it's not a thing at all?
00:53:18.760 So I realize, you know, what I'm pushing for, this is a big ask. But yes, I do use the words
00:53:25.900 gender ideology. And essentially, this ideology really started in the late 50s, with a doctor
00:53:30.140 from Johns Hopkins University named John Money, who coined the term gender identity. And this theory
00:53:36.780 of gender identity was floating around academia for decades, in obscure corners of these universities.
00:53:42.200 And that was okay. It wasn't affecting the large society in a whole. But it's really emerged
00:53:48.300 from these universities into the mainstream, where we're now teaching children that they
00:53:51.940 all have a gender identity. And you've got three kids. Of course, you understand if you teach
00:53:56.640 something to children, and you're some authority figure, you're a teacher, they're going to believe
00:53:59.540 that. And if you tell children they have a gender identity, what's the next thing that goes through
00:54:03.900 their mind? It's, well, what is my gender identity? And how do you determine what it is? Right? And how do
00:54:11.600 you determine what that is? No one can define this. I ask this question all the time, no one can tell me
00:54:15.660 what it is. But if you look at all of the materials that these trans activists make, 0.99
00:54:19.620 essentially, it's all based on stereotypes. So if you're a tomboy, well, maybe you're an actual boy.
00:54:26.320 Or if you're an effeminate little boy, does this mean he's a girl? He's somewhere on the spectrum
00:54:30.600 between being a boy and a girl? This is all complete nonsense. There's no right way to be a boy or girl. 1.00
00:54:35.740 This is the message we should be sending. And so I just want to get rid of the word altogether.
00:54:39.280 Together. Because we have two sexes. It's the way it's always been. It's the way it's always going to 1.00
00:54:43.900 be. And for now, especially, this word gender is just confusing a generation of kids.
00:54:49.500 It's gotten so crazy. You know, we went from being tolerant of a very small sliver of the population
00:54:55.980 that had, I think, back then, you know, 15 years ago, was suffering with a genuine mental
00:55:02.280 illness or problem related to their gender and like what what body they were supposed to be in,
00:55:09.240 quote unquote, into this radical fad that is spreading like the plague. It's like a contagion
00:55:17.380 that we can't seem to contain. And to the contrary, we're we're fostering it. We're fanning it. We it's
00:55:22.920 like we want everyone to catch it. Just before I came in the show, I was scrolling on X and somebody
00:55:29.180 had posted that they brought their cat in to the vet and they had to fill out one of those forms.
00:55:35.440 You know, this is the name of my cat. This is why I'm this is what kind of cat it is. This is why I'm
00:55:39.880 bringing him in. And they had gender. They wanted male, female, non-binary or other for his cat.
00:55:49.520 We've lost our minds. This is a great point. And I bring this up sometimes in these conversations
00:55:54.940 I have on the street. I say, do dogs have gender? Do chimpanzees have a gender? Why is it only humans 0.68
00:56:01.180 who have a gender that might be different than your sex? And what does it mean for a girl to be a boy?
00:56:06.600 Nobody can ever answer these questions. But, you know, I think when people are having these
00:56:12.000 conversations, a lot of people don't know how to talk about it. And so the number one thing you can
00:56:16.180 do is really this Socratic method of debate. It's asking questions. For most people, this isn't
00:56:20.960 complicated. If people know nothing about this and you tell them what's going on, you tell them
00:56:24.380 we're blocking puberty and perfectly healthy children. Right away, they're horrified. But
00:56:28.720 for the people who are on the fence, or maybe a bit aggressive or hostile, just ask them questions.
00:56:34.080 What does it mean for a girl to be a boy? And then pause, because they have no answer. And say 0.98
00:56:38.780 things that they agree with. It's a very successful strategy, because people will come at me on the
00:56:43.400 street, for example, thinking I'm some terrible bigot. And they're really amped up. They have this
00:56:47.380 adrenaline dump. Sometimes they're literally shaking. And I'll just say, look, first of all,
00:56:52.140 children are beautiful, just as they are. If a girl is a tomboy, fine. If the boy's more 0.75
00:56:56.480 effeminate, whatever. And every single leftist, no matter how far left they are, will agree with
00:57:02.800 that statement. So in that moment, you've done this beautiful thing. You've created this moment
00:57:07.660 of cognitive dissonance, where there's now two ideas going on in their brain. They came in this
00:57:11.700 conversation thinking you were evil. Now you said something they can't help but agree with. And
00:57:17.440 hostile people are never going to agree with you in that moment. But they're going to go home and
00:57:20.860 they're going to have to make sense of this. Because ultimately, we have a huge percentage of
00:57:24.720 our youth who have been deceived. And a lot of the people pushing this are not evil. They've just
00:57:30.400 been lied to. And we just need to get truth to them. And you don't do that by hammering away at
00:57:35.700 them. You do that by finding sources of agreement and getting them to think about their own beliefs.
00:57:41.280 It's so dark, because what has happened in most of these cases is that these people with an agenda,
00:57:47.740 and in some instances, it's the money people, you know, like whether it's the Pritzkers or it's the
00:57:53.480 hospitals that stand to earn millions of dollars thanks to these procedures, they push this narrative
00:58:00.660 and the schools sign on and they exploit children's, I think oftentimes women's, but also men's natural
00:58:10.740 desire to be tolerant, to be kind, to want to understand and like open up the tent for people
00:58:20.060 who are other and try to make things easier for them. And they don't, they haven't, it's maybe a
00:58:27.420 good thing in general that their instincts aren't, I distrust somebody telling me to do this. I reject
00:58:34.140 your assertions that this person needs my support. I think I'm being misled. Those are not our
00:58:41.040 instincts, but in this lane, they need to be. That's right. So the left has been very successful
00:58:48.160 with language. All the terminology they use is the exact opposite of what this is. It's not gender
00:58:53.540 affirming care. This is child abuse. It's not top surgery. It's a radical elective double mastectomy.
00:58:59.360 It's not bottom surgery. It's creating a lifelong medical patient. These boys have to dilate this
00:59:03.980 wound that gets created for the rest of their life. And these children are now reliant on some
00:59:08.220 exogenous source of hormones for the rest of their life. They're cutting out the wombs of teenage 1.00
00:59:12.640 girls and sending them into menopause. None of this is kind. And I say all the time, whether you
00:59:17.780 believe in God or evolution, this ideology makes no sense. Because if you believe in God, this ideology
00:59:22.120 teaches that we are made wrong by our creator. And if you believe in evolution, this ideology is
00:59:28.280 teaching that somehow 1 billion years of the process of natural selection has failed. And we
00:59:34.460 now need a pharmaceutical company to help our children be their true selves. It's total madness.
00:59:41.200 This whole thing is experimental. Yet you can't even bring this to the quality of being a legitimate
00:59:49.400 experiment. Because with actual experiments, there are guidelines to follow. There are rules. There are
00:59:53.840 objectives you're trying to achieve. All of this is just the Wild West. They found out that this drug,
00:59:59.380 which is used on sex offenders to chemically castrate them, it's a drug used to stop prostate
01:00:04.420 cancer and endometriosis in women. But they found out that this drug also stops puberty. It stops girls 0.92
01:00:11.820 from releasing estrogen. It stops boys from producing testosterone. So this stops them from going into
01:00:17.260 puberty. Their secondary sex characteristics won't develop. Girls' breasts won't grow. Their hips won't get 1.00
01:00:21.860 wider. Boys' penises don't grow. They're suffering loss of bone density. A girl in Sweden was on this 1.00
01:00:27.580 drug for three years. And she has osteopenia. She suffered spinal fractures. She's in chronic pain.
01:00:32.820 A mom I talked to in California, her daughter was also on this for three years. They did bone scans
01:00:36.860 each year. She lost 11% of her bone density when they should have been getting stronger.
01:00:41.220 Some small studies show that this is causing children to lose IQ points. A study with sheep showed there
01:00:46.960 was cognitive decline. We're playing God with children's bodies and calling this progress
01:00:51.800 because they're being taught that they're born wrong. What a psychologically abusive thing to say
01:00:58.000 to a child that they're born wrong and they need to be something they're not. And that's all. All those
01:01:05.560 things you just listed are the effects of the so-called harmless pause of puberty blockers. And we'll get
01:01:13.200 into what happens when you do puberty blockers into cross-sex hormones. But you're talking about
01:01:17.760 just puberty blockers, which are pushed on us by everyone, all the medical societies, the pediatrics
01:01:26.360 groups, the endocrine groups. It's a nothing. It's a harmless pause to give your little one time to figure
01:01:33.760 out what he or she really is. And you do not get the list of she may have osteoporosis or penia by the
01:01:42.940 time she's 18 because she didn't develop the right strength of bones. She may lose IQ points. Your son
01:01:51.040 is going to be taking the same things they give to convicted child molesters to stop him from feeling
01:01:57.120 anything that is normal during puberty. That's that's what you're signing up for.
01:02:02.820 Yes. And you just hit on one of the two objections that these trans activists will give you. They only 0.52
01:02:08.380 have two things that they can say. One is that puberty blockers are reversible, that these are
01:02:13.460 harmless, that it buys the child time to explore their gender identity. This is a sales pitch. 0.91
01:02:20.880 What they're really saying is that, sure, if you went to if you put a kid on puberty blockers for three
01:02:25.180 months, took them off, yes, puberty is going to resume. But that's not what happens. We know from
01:02:31.620 gender clinic statistics themselves, that once you start a child on puberty blockers, 98% of them
01:02:37.800 will go on to the opposite sex's hormones. Whereas if you left these kids alone, we know from all of 0.95
01:02:44.960 the academic studies that were done before they gave kids puberty blockers, the last one completed in
01:02:49.020 2004. And since then, they've been giving these kids these drugs. But all of the previous studies,
01:02:53.880 the most recent one followed 139 boys from when they were five years old all the way into their
01:02:59.160 20s. 87.8% of them saw their gender dysphoria, this extreme distress about their sex. They saw it
01:03:08.100 just go away. They grew out of it. 63.6% grew up to be gay. And all these previous studies show a 0.97
01:03:15.760 similar thing. You had all these really effeminate little boys, some of them would grow up to be gay. 0.98
01:03:19.460 But the cure, Megan, for their gender dysphoria was puberty itself. Now we block the cure. 0.98
01:03:28.300 And instead of their own hormones helping them to feel comfortable, we're giving them the opposite
01:03:33.300 sex's hormones. It's the exact opposite thing we should be doing. So that's one objection. The other 0.96
01:03:38.800 one is that kids are going to kill themselves if they don't transition. And this is just a manipulative,
01:03:44.920 coercive lie designed to silence debate and to shut up parents. Parents are told at these meetings
01:03:51.920 with these gender ideologues in these children's hospitals that you got two options, mom and dad. 1.00
01:03:56.660 You can have a dead son or a live daughter. And so these parents who know nothing about this,
01:04:01.720 they're afraid. Of course, they don't want to lose their child. And they go along with this. But
01:04:05.800 there's absolutely no evidence to support it. In fact, the only evidence we do have points to the
01:04:09.420 opposite. The trans people, their advocates always have some study, Chris. It's like, oh, no, 1.00
01:04:16.300 this study proves our line of thinking. And my anecdotal observation is anybody who's a legitimate
01:04:23.880 scientist can spend two minutes looking at these, quote, studies that they put up and see that they
01:04:30.080 were done by activists, people with a thumb on the scale so that they could get to the conclusion that
01:04:37.640 the trans activists want to see. And if you come to an objective conclusion, you're a real scientist
01:04:43.640 or social scientist, and you come up with an opposite result of the one they want, they will
01:04:48.560 try to ruin you in your career. That's right. So to be honest, you don't need a study to know the
01:04:57.340 girls are girls and boys are boys and her kids are beautiful just as they are. And that's the message
01:05:01.160 we should be sending them. This whole ideology teaches that if they're having discomfort in puberty,
01:05:05.400 well, maybe they're trans. I give these speeches all the time. And I'll ask the women in the audience, 0.97
01:05:11.080 who here loved going through puberty growing up? Not one arm has yet gone into the air.
01:05:16.400 Right.
01:05:17.020 And then I say, congratulations, you're all transgender. Because essentially having 1.00
01:05:20.600 discomfort with puberty now means you're somewhere on the spectrum of being trans.
01:05:25.400 And if you're a tomboy, oh my gosh, maybe you're an actual boy. Well, guess what? Being a tomboy is
01:05:30.640 just more fun. It can be more fun to climb trees and play in the dirt and have short hair. And maybe
01:05:35.980 you don't want to wear a dress. Puberty is a hard time. Girls are getting sexualized by men. 1.00
01:05:39.800 Their bodies are changing. Of course, there's going to be some distress. But throughout the
01:05:43.320 long history of humanity, kids weren't killing themselves because they were going through
01:05:46.160 puberty. I even get people coming up to me on the street saying, because I wear this sign saying
01:05:50.380 children cannot consent to puberty blockers. And these people will say to me, if children can't
01:05:55.220 consent to puberty blockers, how can they consent to puberty? I mean, it's just totally insane. I
01:06:01.780 don't need to be engaged because it's hilarious. But that's like saying, how can you consent to
01:06:05.040 having your hair grow or to your heartbeat? To breathing.
01:06:07.560 These are natural processes. Exactly.
01:06:11.100 You know, I think about this, and I've told my audience this before, Chris, but I show this
01:06:16.140 picture for a reason. When I was growing up, I was a tomboy. I never wore anything other than
01:06:21.720 my little Levi's jeans, a t-shirt that was usually dirty. My hair, I got it cut like a boy. I liked
01:06:27.980 the way it looked. I liked the way it made me feel. I didn't want long hair. I certainly never
01:06:33.380 wore a dress. This is my favorite picture of myself. If you saw this without knowing,
01:06:37.820 you probably think that's a boy. That's me. It's my favorite picture of myself in my dirty
01:06:42.640 sweatshirt with my jeans and my sneakers with my boy hair on a tire swing, smiling from ear to ear.
01:06:48.720 I hate tire swings, by the way.
01:06:53.000 That's the only way to go on them. You've got to go on them like that.
01:06:55.000 I have nightmares about those things.
01:06:56.220 But then they would take that girl today and tell her she's a boy. You're a tomboy. You like
01:06:59.280 sports. I was the only girl on the all boys baseball team. That's what I wanted. My mom's
01:07:04.200 like, fine, you can play. They would say, she's a boy. Let's pause the puberty. Anyone can see I am
01:07:10.560 all woman. I'm actually quite feminine. It's absurd. It's scary to me. Right. That version of me,
01:07:17.200 had I been born to some leftist parents in 2024, could be considered a quote, they be that suddenly
01:07:24.760 was like, well, we will figure it out. OK, you like baseball. You like jeans. You like dirt. You
01:07:29.380 don't like dresses. You like toy guns. You're probably a boy.
01:07:33.980 Right. So let's talk about who these kids are who are transitioning. These typically aren't 0.98
01:07:39.660 the quarterbacks of the football team and the cheerleaders. These are kids who are struggling,
01:07:45.440 who are having body image issues. About half of these kids are on the autism spectrum.
01:07:51.040 We know from the Tavistock, which is the biggest gender clinic in the world, being shut down now
01:07:55.400 in England. But we know from their own statistics from 1038 kids, 35 percent had moderate to severe
01:08:03.720 autism. Never mind the more mild cases. These are kids in many instances who've suffered trauma,
01:08:09.560 abuse, family problems. Kids in state care are overrepresented 10 times. Back where I'm from in
01:08:17.500 British Columbia, we've got one psychologist who works for the British Columbia Ministry of Children
01:08:22.440 and Family Development. He's transitioning more than a thousand kids, including more than 500 in
01:08:28.760 state care. His name's Wallace Wong, and he gave a talk where he admitted to all this at the Vancouver
01:08:33.600 Public Library. He even told these kids and their parents who were present that if you're not getting
01:08:39.760 the drugs you want, the puberty blockers or the hormones quickly enough, say you're suicidal.
01:08:45.360 It works every time. So these are just kids who are struggling. Yeah. Let's go back to the puberty 0.93
01:08:51.580 blockers for one second. Yes. And I do want to talk about it because they're I've seen so many who
01:08:55.780 are someplace on the autism spectrum. Of course, Chloe Cole has talked about how she is.
01:08:59.620 They tried to make her into a boy, cut off her breasts. She can't breastfeed her future babies. 1.00
01:09:05.420 But on the puberty blockers, they do say it's all reversible. Like, again, forget moving over to 0.92
01:09:11.420 the cross sex hormones. That's that is not going to be a reversible problem for you. But is the pause
01:09:16.980 is the calcium deficiency? What else happens to you? And is it all reversible?
01:09:21.680 So none of your secondary sex characteristics will develop. And the question here is,
01:09:29.540 is time reversible? Is there a time machine where you get to go from 16 back to 11 again,
01:09:35.160 and go through all these changes? Of course, there's not. Now, I don't want anyone to take
01:09:39.280 my word for this. We've got the president of WPATH, which is the World Professional Association
01:09:44.880 for Transgender Health. They write what are called the standards of care that these gender clinics
01:09:50.360 can follow. They really do whatever they want. But according to Marcy Bowers, a man who says he's
01:09:55.760 a woman, he admitted last year on a zoom call, that none of the boys, literally zero, he said,
01:10:02.600 who started on puberty blockers at Tanner stage two, this is the beginning of puberty. For girls, 0.99
01:10:08.100 this is probably two years before their breasts first started to form. So these kids are going to
01:10:12.000 be 9, 10, 11, 12 years old. None of the boys as adults have ever been able to have an orgasm.
01:10:17.720 So what 10 year old, 11 year old boy, just with the puberty blockers?
01:10:23.120 I thought that was, oh my, I thought that was puberty blockers straight into cross sex hormones.
01:10:26.920 I didn't realize just the puberty blockers. Oh my God.
01:10:29.400 Yes, because they're, you know, their sex organs never develop. And it's obviously impossible for
01:10:36.300 a 10 or 11 year old boy who doesn't even understand what that is, to consent to throwing
01:10:40.780 that away for the rest of his life as an adult. But he started spitballing during this conversation.
01:10:48.300 Johanna Olson Kennedy was on the call. She runs the gender clinic at the Children's Hospital of Los
01:10:52.040 Angeles, where she, by the way, received a grant from the NIH for $5.7 million to give cross sex 0.73
01:10:58.700 hormones to eight year olds. So these people are ghouls. But anyway, obviously no child can 0.97
01:11:08.520 understand that. That's just one of the things that's happening. I tweeted out a video just a
01:11:12.760 couple of days ago where this person is also admitting... I think we have it. I think we have
01:11:20.420 actually. Hold on. I'm going to play it. Okay. And then you can comment on the back end.
01:11:24.320 SOT 21. Sure.
01:11:27.440 In the... So one of the biggest issues is that if you think about... We haven't probably heard
01:11:33.180 lots about surgery, but if you think about vaginoplasty, the creation of a vagina in an 1.00
01:11:37.200 assigned male, you need tissue, genital tissue to create that vagina. And if we are taking a 11 year 1.00
01:11:45.240 old boy who does not have a lot of genital tissue and blocking puberty right there, we're preventing 0.94
01:11:52.400 the growth of the vagina for down the road. Go ahead. 1.00
01:11:59.000 So no growth. What they do... And I'm sorry we get gruesome here. I'll try to use more
01:12:04.800 family-friendly language. No, it's okay. We have to.
01:12:08.580 Yeah. So for these boys, once they've become adults, or not even then, they're doing these
01:12:13.260 vaginoplasties on 16 year olds. I've got Kellen Lackhart, who is this psychiatrist at Kaiser
01:12:19.240 Permanente in Oakland, California, admitting that they have done these vaginoplasty procedures on 16
01:12:24.780 year old boys, having started the process at 15. But anyway, they create a fake vagina. So they 0.92
01:12:32.140 castrate the boy completely. They slice open the penis and they invert it. But because it never grew, 1.00
01:12:37.760 there's not enough tissue to do the surgery properly. So they have to find that tissue from
01:12:42.380 somewhere. What they do is they take out a piece of the child's colon, or they'll take out some of
01:12:47.020 his stomach lining, the peritoneum. And they use that to line the interior wall of this fake vagina, 1.00
01:12:53.360 which is really just a wound. And they have to dilate it for the rest of their life because 0.99
01:12:57.100 it's always trying to close up. So these are the same people that say puberty blockers are
01:13:00.560 reversible. Well, if they're reversible, why don't they just take a year or two and let the reverse
01:13:05.320 happen? And then they don't have to do these gruesome surgeries like that. Of course, they're not
01:13:09.080 reversible. Once those years of puberty are gone, they're gone.
01:13:13.780 My God. When you add in the cross-sex hormones, and as you just pointed out, the vast, vast majority, 1.00
01:13:20.920 almost no one sticks with just the puberty blockers and then goes back to their actual sex. 0.53
01:13:26.160 They're on this path and they do it. They, quote, transition. They start taking cross-sex hormones, 0.71
01:13:33.700 meaning if you're a girl, you start taking testosterone. If you're a boy, you start taking
01:13:36.800 estrogen. And now the horse has really left the barn. I mean, you are creating changes that are
01:13:43.520 undoable. One of them is atrophy of your genitals, of even like your uterus. And the biggest thing is 0.92
01:13:54.580 infertility. You are rendering yourself sterile. And as you point out, even the trans doctors, 1.00
01:14:01.940 activists, admit this, this is not a controversial claim. I'll tell you what, Chris, I was going to
01:14:07.660 ask about this. And I did ask about this in the presidential debate. And on that point of,
01:14:13.100 you know, it causes sterility. And I wanted to make crystal clear, 100% going to ask it at the
01:14:18.500 debate. Is it true? Is it true? Is it true? All my authorities that I had there that were from
01:14:22.880 trans activists. This is admitted. So this is not harm-free. If you do this for your kid, 1.00
01:14:30.600 starting with the puberty blockers, understanding that 98% of them are going to go right to cross 0.77
01:14:34.560 sex hormones, you're choosing to sterilize your minor. That's right. I've tweeted out the consent 0.99
01:14:39.900 form that patients at Fenway Health sign. And it says right on there that this leads to sterility.
01:14:45.160 I've talked to all sorts of doctors. I was just at the Heritage Foundation last week with a bunch of
01:14:48.220 doctors there. They all agree with this, of course. This is not controversial. This is not
01:14:52.140 anything that's not widely known. For the girls, it causes vaginal and uterine atrophy, 0.99
01:14:57.120 as you said. And so they will cut out the uterus. And sometimes they're cutting out the ovaries as 1.00
01:15:02.260 well. It's called an oophorectomy. So now you've got this teenage girl who for the rest of her life
01:15:07.100 can never produce estrogen. And when she gets to the ripe old age of 22 and says, my gosh, 0.63
01:15:12.260 what have I done? Actually, what have you done to me? Well, now she can never produce estrogen again. 0.99
01:15:18.400 Either way you slice it, she's a lifelong pharmaceutical patient buying testosterone 1.00
01:15:22.420 or estrogen. Never going to be able to have kids. The love bombing as a teenager where she said she 0.80
01:15:28.880 was trans and she got all this attention. That's all over because everyone's grown up now and
01:15:32.540 starting their own families. And she's left lonely, unable to have kids. Dating pool is dramatically
01:15:37.360 reduced. And that's when a lot of these young people start to really get depressed. That's when
01:15:42.180 suicides start to peak is several years after these transitions. And that's when many of them start to
01:15:46.880 have their regrets. So people say all the time, you know, the detransition rate is very low.
01:15:50.500 Well, that's not true. We have over 50,000 members in a detrans group on Reddit. Now they're not all 1.00
01:15:56.120 strictly detransitioners. Some of them have just desisted. They don't now identify as the opposite 1.00
01:16:02.740 sex anymore. But it's a huge number. Most will never go public because when they do, they get
01:16:07.600 attacked by their previous so-called community. Because these people don't want you to be your true
01:16:13.120 self. They just want you to be trans. Yeah. And that's how you know it's a cult. 0.99
01:16:19.280 That's right. You took the words right out of my mouth. So I call this a cult all the time.
01:16:25.320 And when you look at the characteristics of all cults, they all have the same things in common.
01:16:29.320 The people who push the cult, they self-police their own thoughts. They won't allow themselves
01:16:33.640 to look at the truth. Because if they were to do that, they would lose their entire social circle.
01:16:38.020 And it would upset what they've believed so fervently for all of these years. Most people can't
01:16:42.400 confront that in the moment. That's why it's important to say things they agree with and ask them
01:16:46.020 questions to get them thinking. Because nobody ever comes out of a cult on their own, just because
01:16:50.440 you told them that they were wrong. They have to come out of it after over the years, they start to
01:16:55.180 question this themselves. Those doubts start to creep in. And one day they finally get to a point
01:16:59.820 where they're willing to take that leap and leave it. But this is absolutely a cult. Gender identities 0.97
01:17:05.860 don't exist. Personalities exist. And we need to get back to reality. There's no such thing as being
01:17:12.320 transgender. Transition is something you do. It's not something you are. And if an adult wants to do 1.00
01:17:19.260 this, that's a different conversation. But we still have all these 18 and 19 year olds who just a few
01:17:24.180 years later say, what the heck did you do to me? Because they'd suffered abuse or trauma. Sexual 0.54
01:17:28.240 abuse is extremely common. I talked to Dr. Quentin Van Meter last week. He's a pediatrician with the
01:17:35.700 American College of Pediatricians. Those are the good pediatricians. And he thinks that sexual abuse is
01:17:40.780 prevalent in about 60% of these cases. So there's always something else going on, which we should
01:17:46.360 be screening for and treating first. We should be treating the mental health comorbidities first, 0.81
01:17:50.320 not treating gender as though it's the source of all their underlying problems.
01:17:54.740 It's just so dark to think of these poor girls in particular without their body parts, without their
01:18:00.540 ability to have children, nurse a child, and even the absence of estrogen. That really does change
01:18:06.900 your experience in life. It changes the way your hair is, the way your skin is. You know,
01:18:12.380 ask any postmenopausal woman who doesn't go on HRT. It's a natural life process, but it definitely 0.99
01:18:17.780 brings on a lot of change that is insane to put on a 16 year old who doesn't need it, who's been just
01:18:25.560 confused by a family divorce or a sexual abuse situation. And all of that goes unaddressed because
01:18:32.580 we've decided to focus on something completely unrelated, this gender dysphoria that isn't
01:18:38.540 really the cause of her problems. All right, stand by, Chris. I'm going to take a quick break.
01:18:42.320 There's much more to discuss, including I'd love to get your backstory because wait until you hear
01:18:45.580 how Chris got into this. The reason we call him Billboard, Chris, is fascinating. Stand by.
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01:19:51.000 So before there was Billboard, Chris, there was just Chris. And so explain that evolution and
01:20:02.320 how, you know, you got to be the guy who I first saw on Twitter, X, with the sandwich board in front
01:20:09.140 of you and in back of you, roaming around Canadian parks with messages like the ones you're delivering
01:20:16.020 today. Truths like the ones you're delivering today. The one for the listening audience we're
01:20:19.960 looking at here is children cannot consent to puberty blockers.
01:20:24.400 Yes. So unbelievably, I wasn't always a human billboard. I used to have a normal life. I was
01:20:29.260 a financial advisor most of my adult life. So I've taken the traditional career arc from investment
01:20:34.100 advisor to crazy sandwich board guy standing out on the street. But the first thing I did was put up
01:20:39.500 actual billboards. This was where the nickname first came from. I followed the lead of this fantastic
01:20:44.660 woman in the UK named Kelly J. Keene. She's known as Posey Parker.
01:20:49.580 Yes.
01:20:49.880 Yes. So she did something very controversial. She put up this sign at the Edinburgh train station
01:20:55.280 that said, I love J.K. Rowling. I heart J.K. Rowling. And some people on Twitter complained that it was
01:21:02.660 hateful because, of course, J.K. has spoken up for women's rights and she's also spoken out against
01:21:07.940 this child abuse. And she's a lifelong feminist, a leftist, by the way. So this isn't really a left 0.90
01:21:13.240 right issue on the street. It only is at the political level. But that sign only lasted a day
01:21:18.180 because some people on Twitter complained. And I got tired of our freedom of speech coming under
01:21:22.180 attack. I'm a dad of two girls. The only thing that matters to me is the life I live for them.
01:21:28.440 I've had all my young, fun years. When you become a parent, your primary job becomes taking care of
01:21:34.360 your kids and leaving a better world for them. And I'm not going to look back at my life in 40 years
01:21:38.220 and say, I knew all about this child abuse and I did nothing about it. I'm not going to send my girls
01:21:42.000 into a world that doesn't even know what a woman is. So everyone was afraid to talk about this.
01:21:46.680 And now you can't even put up a sign saying, I love J.K. Rowling. I rejected that. So I put up
01:21:50.540 that big billboard you just showed in Vancouver, Canada. It also lasted one day. They got paint
01:21:55.640 bombed overnight. And then a Vancouver politician named Sarah Kirby Young said it was hate speech.
01:21:59.540 She pressured the sign company and they took it down. I was ready for that.
01:22:02.680 Just a pause. Expressing your love for an extremely well-known public figure is hate. That's the world
01:22:11.680 we're in now. Just saying I love her is hateful. The world's greatest children's author. And I happened
01:22:18.020 to be reading the Harry Potter books with my little one at night every night back then. But it got taken
01:22:24.160 down. I was ready for that. I leveraged all the outrage online into a quick little fundraising campaign.
01:22:28.740 And a week later, I had the same billboard up in San Francisco, and then Portland, Los Angeles,
01:22:33.440 all throughout Utah, all throughout the metro in Washington, D.C., and then Times Square. So that
01:22:37.800 was my September of 2020. I ran out of money. No sign companies in Canada would work with me. And I had
01:22:43.400 this vision to start conversations. I knew that if we started enough conversations about this,
01:22:47.680 that once people learned what was going on, we would put a stop to it, as we are doing. And I'll get to
01:22:52.440 that in a minute. But here I am, the end of September 2020, saying, what can I do? Well,
01:22:58.440 if they won't let me put a sign up, I'll become a sign. So I had some signs made. I wear them because
01:23:03.180 it's just easier than holding them. And I started going outside. And I always say good things happen
01:23:07.760 when you go outside. And I have conversations. I don't approach anybody. I don't have a bullhorn or
01:23:13.580 anything like that. People just come up to me. They'll ask what are puberty blockers, and I have a
01:23:17.620 conversation. And I wasn't filming them or anything to start with. And I was happy because I was
01:23:22.460 reaching parents. And I knew that in the future, they'd be able to protect their kids from this
01:23:26.740 harmful ideology. And I was living a purpose driven life. But then I started recording these
01:23:30.820 conversations, posting them online. It helps to educate people about this subject. And I just knew
01:23:36.640 if I kept going, and I took all the abuse and the attacks and all those things that happen.
01:23:40.440 I've had my arm broken. I've been assaulted 40 times. I've been arrested by the police twice after
01:23:44.480 getting assaulted. All sorts of crazy things happen when you go outside.
01:23:47.620 But mostly great things happen. And all sorts of amazing people have come into my life.
01:23:52.280 I've made great friends with Moms for Liberty. I'm now working with Turning Point. And so for all
01:23:56.920 the college kids watching this, I would love you to invite me to your campus. I'm working with
01:24:01.160 Turning Point. Let's come and reach these kids because that's where this ideology is really being
01:24:05.380 taught. That's where it's hitting a fever pitch. And that's where we need to change the conversation.
01:24:09.540 And just by showing up on a campus, as I do all the time, I might only talk to 20 kids.
01:24:14.520 But it starts 1000 conversations across the campus.
01:24:17.620 And that's how we end this by getting the truth out there. But I just keep going outside. I knew
01:24:22.920 this would inspire other people to take action. And I frequently quote this speech these days by
01:24:28.140 Javier Mille, the new president of Argentina, where he said he's not here to guide sheep.
01:24:32.780 He's here to awaken lions. And that's the same thing I'm trying to do. Because I know for every
01:24:37.260 thousand people I talk to, a few of them are going to get activated. They're going to take action.
01:24:41.360 And things like this new law firm in Texas are going to start up. We have four dads who started
01:24:47.500 a law firm. They have 17 children between them. They all left their previous law firms and started
01:24:52.780 one just to sue for these detransitioners. And they're even suing the American Academy of Pediatrics 1.00
01:24:58.160 now. So I'm super optimistic. I always have been because we have the people on our side. It just takes
01:25:03.960 time to reach enough of them. But we're going to put a stop to this child abuse way quicker than most
01:25:07.580 people think. Oh, my God. I loved everything you said. I agree with all your friends. I like your
01:25:13.500 selections. I love Kelly J. Keene. She, she, among others, but she is definitely one of the principals
01:25:19.760 who awakened this lion to this fight. And Turning Point is amazing. Moms for Liberty, amazing. 0.74
01:25:28.020 Javier, he's been spectacular. I didn't hear that quote, but I love it. And you know what? Texas,
01:25:33.280 the Texas-based firm is where I began my legal career. And they, you know, don't mess with
01:25:37.420 Texas is true. Like once you awake, awaken that sleeping giant, you're going to deal with it for
01:25:41.820 a long time. God bless those guys. This kind of thing makes me want to hang up my, my legal shingle
01:25:46.300 again. I did that for 10 years before I was doing this. I would go back to the practice of law. If
01:25:50.420 it were something like that, 100%, I would do it. I'm so inspired to hear that. So if you wind up on
01:25:57.100 the wrong side of somebody's gender ideology, cult behavior, what's the name of this firm? How do you
01:26:04.300 get in touch with them? How do you get help? So it's Campbell Miller Payne. And the fourth member
01:26:11.360 of the law firm is a former Superbowl champion with the Pittsburgh Steelers as well. These are
01:26:17.440 just four great guys. Campbell Miller Payne. You can DM me on Twitter. You can email me through my website
01:26:21.500 and I'll help to connect you with them. I think they have about 10 lawsuits currently going.
01:26:26.640 And the big one is they're suing the American Academy of Pediatrics because
01:26:29.800 the current policy from the AAP was written by a man named Jason Rafferty when he was just a medical
01:26:36.300 resident. And it's a total joke, this policy, but Rafferty was involved in the case of a girl
01:26:43.140 in Rhode Island who is suing for the harm that was done to her. And he was part of that case. So
01:26:48.720 because he was directly involved in her medical abuse, they're able to link in the AAP because he wrote
01:26:55.580 their policy statement. So good luck to the AAP. You're going to lose because you have no evidence
01:27:02.900 to support this child abuse whatsoever. And I know we've talked about a lot of dark stuff,
01:27:08.360 but there's so many positive things going on in the world as well. 22 states have passed legislation
01:27:13.700 to stop this child abuse. A year and a half ago, I was meeting with some members of Congress
01:27:17.500 because that's what Canadians wearing a sign do. This whole adventure of mine is crazy.
01:27:22.020 No members of our parliament in Canada will talk to me yet. I've got all these members of Congress
01:27:27.620 that I work with. But 22 states have stopped this now. In Missouri, we have a whistleblower
01:27:34.440 named Jamie Reid who worked at the Washington University Transgender Clinic. She describes
01:27:39.360 herself as a queer woman married to a trans man politically left to Bernie Sanders. But she says all 0.55
01:27:43.940 the exact same things I'm saying here today. She submitted an affidavit to the Attorney General.
01:27:47.980 They've stopped this in Missouri. And as part of this new legislation, this is really interesting.
01:27:53.160 The existing children at that gender clinic, they could have still kept going and received their 0.99
01:27:58.360 puberty blockers and hormones. But because of the legislation, one aspect was it extended the
01:28:04.440 statute of limitations for suing. Previously, in all 50 states for medical malpractice, the statute
01:28:10.060 of limitations was one to three years. But that's been extended now past 20 years. So because of the
01:28:15.560 legal liability, the lawyers for the gender clinic said, nuh-uh, too much liability. We're shutting
01:28:22.460 it all down. And they won't see any of these kids anymore. Because they know they're going to get
01:28:27.820 sued. Because deep down inside, they know this is wrong. So the lawyers are putting a stop to this.
01:28:33.640 Oh my god. You know, it just dovetails with what's in the news right now. On X, you've probably seen
01:28:38.100 these reveals now that the risks of myocarditis after taking the vaccine were identified. I mean,
01:28:45.200 from the beginning. From the beginning. The drug companies knew. The CDC knew and suppressed the
01:28:51.800 message to the American public. Kids have died. Kids have died because they refused to disclose
01:28:58.660 what happened with myocarditis. And if you don't think that big pharma does what it needs to do to
01:29:07.060 pad its own pockets, you haven't been paying attention. And if they would do it in the COVID
01:29:12.780 vaccine lane, they would 100% do it in the gender ideology lane. The only thing that stops people like 1.00
01:29:18.500 that in America is lawyers and huge bet your business lawsuits. I've lived that life as a
01:29:27.400 lawyer. It's the only thing they'll listen to. So this is the only way because our legislators
01:29:32.560 aren't really going to do it in the blue states. They're not going to do it. They're going the other
01:29:36.320 way. They're making state sanctuaries for trans procedures in some of the far left states like
01:29:41.760 California. That's right. And Maine right now has legislation on the books, just like California.
01:29:46.880 California. A child could run away from home from Texas and go to Maine. They won't return the child
01:29:52.000 home. Or let's say a spouse, not even a spouse with custody, they could take the child to Maine
01:29:57.180 or California. And they will ignore court orders, subpoenas, arrest warrants, and custody agreements
01:30:03.820 from the home state so that the child can be transitioned. In California right now, they're even
01:30:08.120 making it a law so that insurance companies can't increase the cost of coverage, because that could
01:30:15.180 shut down this abuse as well. But there is light over that horizon. In California right now, this is
01:30:22.220 huge. And for me, this should be what everyone fighting this should be focused on. There's a
01:30:25.960 ballot initiative underway. So that when people go to the polls in November to vote for anyone not named
01:30:31.240 Joe Biden, there will be three things on the ballot if they get enough signatures. It'll be getting boys out 0.56
01:30:37.600 the girls sports. It'll be making it so that teachers cannot keep it a secret from their child's
01:30:44.700 own parents that a child has a new name and pronouns, what we call social transition. It should
01:30:49.700 more accurately be called psychological transition. We have teachers doing psychological interventions on
01:30:55.400 children with absolutely no training. They have no idea what they're doing. And really quickly, I just
01:31:00.800 want to say a thing about pronouns. People think what's the big deal? Using the other pronouns, just be nice.
01:31:07.960 What message are you sending? When you call a girl he him? You are telling that little girl that she needs to be
01:31:15.620 something she's not. That there's something wrong with her. And then when every other kid in school and the
01:31:21.460 teachers and the administrators go along with this, they're reaffirming thousands of times that this girl needs to be
01:31:27.960 something she's not. That is psychological abuse. Never play the pronoun game. But this ballot initiative will 1.00
01:31:35.460 also stop this child abuse. Because we know they had Rasmussen do independent polling. Even among the
01:31:44.820 Democrats, there is support to stop this child abuse. I went to a street fair in Oakland, California last year.
01:31:50.740 There were probably two, 3000 people there. 99% of them were black. Every single black person supported
01:31:58.100 me. Seneca Scott, I ran into this man, he was running for mayor. He supported me, he posed for a picture
01:32:03.480 with me. And then of course, he got a whole bunch of hate. But the only people who gave me a hard time
01:32:07.660 that day were four white feminists, you know, and this does not have wide support among any of the 1.00
01:32:16.840 population, except the far left. It's primarily pushed by white women, unfortunately, where it 1.00
01:32:21.860 preys on their natural agreeableness. And they want to be kind. They've been deceived.
01:32:26.820 But unfortunately, the problem is the medical capture that you just referenced. Because
01:32:31.200 when you tell most moms, the American Academy of Pediatrics supports this. This is what they say is
01:32:35.920 right for your child. They'll do it. They feel like, oh, that's the gold standard. I have to do it.
01:32:40.300 That must be true. They don't understand any of what you just said. And that's the same group saying
01:32:45.120 when your doctor, your pediatrician says, you mom now need to leave the medical examination room 1.00
01:32:51.060 so I can have alone time with your teen. You know, it's something mom doesn't need to be party to. 1.00
01:32:58.140 You do not consent. Don't go. There's no secrets between your kid and the doctor. You want to have
01:33:04.760 the sex talk with my kid? I'll take care of that. So you have to do your parental duty. Have the sex 1.00
01:33:10.540 talk. Tell your kid this is how you protect yourself. But they don't get to talk about gender 0.95
01:33:15.080 ideology, which is also on their list with your child. Period. Period. But I know we're short for
01:33:23.180 time here. People need to go to protectkidsca.com. Californians, you can sign this ballot initiative.
01:33:30.380 And I would also encourage people to, oh, one last thing. You just said the American Academy of
01:33:37.600 Pediatrics, they're pushing this. They've conducted a systematic review. They've started one. So we'll see
01:33:41.740 what they say. But England, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, they all put a stop to this. And they
01:33:46.480 didn't legislate it away. Those countries conducted a systematic review of the evidence. And shocker,
01:33:51.360 they found there was no evidence to support this child abuse. And just yesterday, even the terrible
01:33:56.560 World Health Organization said the evidence base for children and adolescents is limited and variable
01:34:01.940 regarding the longer term outcomes of gender affirming care for children and adolescents. And
01:34:05.940 they've decided not to make any recommendations on this subject. So even the who knows that this is
01:34:10.680 nonsense. We are going to get this put a stop to, but it requires us fighting. Because if you rely
01:34:16.900 on someone else to stop this, it's never going to happen. You can't rely on the government to do
01:34:21.280 anything to stop this child abuse. It's up to us. We're the ones who change the culture and make it
01:34:26.700 safe for these legislators to find some courage. I couldn't agree with you more. This is why I just
01:34:31.380 keep saying they're sterilizing children. They're sterilizing children. Children are being abused
01:34:35.520 by misguided parents and teachers and the psychiatric and psychological community. And we're all
01:34:43.360 standing by. And I care about other issues. I care about the economy. I care about immigration. But
01:34:49.080 they're sterilizing our children. Like, what could be more important? They're chopping off children's
01:34:55.100 body parts without their consent. Stop. Hold the presses. Drop everything. Be a squeaky wheel. I mean, 1.00
01:35:02.180 what is the best way to do that, Chris, for people who are feeling inspired right now? You mentioned
01:35:05.960 the California website. In Maine right now, they're considering a similar bill, I know, that
01:35:10.300 would allow the state to take away custody for any parent who doesn't, quote, affirm. They're going
01:35:16.680 to be having a hearing on that later in January. But, you know, people are going to be overwhelmed if
01:35:20.460 they have to go to the California website. They got to go to the Maine website. Like, what is the best
01:35:23.740 thing to do? Well, most people like someone to work with in these fights. So, you know,
01:35:29.360 for the moms and the dads, I would encourage you to go to Moms for Liberty website. Go to one of
01:35:34.700 their chapter meetings. These are normal moms and dads. The left attacks them more than anybody
01:35:39.040 because they know they're effective. I know these moms. Don't listen to any of the hate. They're all 1.00
01:35:43.520 just normal and beautiful. They're warrior mamas fighting for our kids. I need help. You can go to
01:35:48.200 my website, billboardchris.com. You can click on the donate button. I've got big plans. But whatever
01:35:53.080 you do, you just got to do something. You've got to get off the couch and do something. This is like
01:35:56.760 the laws of physics. An object in motion stays in motion. You've just got to get in motion. And
01:36:02.480 once you do that, other great people are going to come into your orbit and you're going to find new
01:36:07.120 friends that you can fight alongside. And you won't have to do this on your by yourself. That's what's
01:36:11.780 happened with me. I've made the best friends of my life in my mid 40s. But we're just going to keep
01:36:16.280 going because there's nothing more important than our kids. And the left made a big mistake trying to
01:36:21.780 get in between us and our children. So we're going to kick their butts. 1.00
01:36:27.260 Amen. I'm so glad you're in the fight, Chris. God bless you in all you do. Follow Chris on X. It's 1.00
01:36:33.540 how we found out about him. It's how we've been following a lot of the information that he posts,
01:36:37.800 which is spot on. This is not an X account that's off. You know, like a lot of people I like,
01:36:42.360 but I follow them and then I realize they've tweeted out a bunch of nonsense. It's not the truth
01:36:46.360 with you. I get the actual facts about what's happening. So much appreciate your advocacy. God bless you.
01:36:52.200 Thank you so much. I really appreciate you having me on. Thank you, Megan.
01:36:55.680 Oh, please let us know if there's anything you need that we can help promote or get the word out
01:37:01.220 on. We're here, Chris. All the best. Wow. We're going to tell our audience tomorrow. We've got
01:37:05.220 an update on some of the craziest legal cases. Mark Garagos will be here along with John
01:37:09.300 on a special Kelly's Court. You're not going to want to miss.
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