The Megyn Kelly Show - Truth About Media Indictment, and Harris Still Complaining About Debate Rule, with Joel Pollak, Dave Aronberg, Xavier Durousseau, Britt Mayer, and RCP

00:00:00.600 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.040 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. My God, do we have a lot to get to today.

00:00:17.180 We begin with some legal news that's making major, major waves overnight.

00:00:23.700 Actually, before we get to that, you should know that there's even bigger news, and that is that

00:00:26.940 Hunter Biden has now agreed to change his plea to guilty in this tax charges case against him

00:00:35.960 in order to avoid trial. So that is big. He was about to go to trial. You know this case out in

00:00:42.260 Los Angeles on some of these tax evasion charges that, I mean, honestly, they were just a light,

00:00:48.080 pathetic version of what ought to be brought against him, but it's all that was left under

00:00:52.100 the statute of limitations. And it only was brought because those whistleblowers came forward

00:00:56.300 and the U.S. attorney in this case, who was actually wound up being special counsel,

00:01:01.460 was forced to try the case after the judge caught him trying to give Hunter an enormous

00:01:05.300 sweetheart plea deal. And so they were forced to go forward. And finally, now Hunter caved at the

00:01:10.620 last minute. I'm sure he'll be getting a pardon from daddy. I realize Joe Biden says he won't.

00:01:15.220 We'll see. We'll see. Okay, back to the other news. Can I just start? Let me just start with this.

00:01:21.480 We knew yesterday that the DOJ was going to be making some sort of an announcement

00:01:27.700 about Russian influence in this election. And we talked about that. We talked about how Russia

00:01:34.800 has been a stalking horse for Democrats for some time when it comes to this is why we lost the 2016

00:01:39.820 election. And this is what Trump did in order to get ahead. And Russia, Russia, Russia. And indeed,

00:01:45.720 they do love to wave this flag as an excuse for virtually everything. Well, the DOJ we knew was

00:01:51.980 coming out yesterday with a major announcement. And when we closed the show yesterday, we said,

00:01:55.680 we'll cover it for you. And our guest tomorrow will be Dave Rubin. Well, imagine our surprise when

00:02:01.820 later that day, the DOJ announced that its case is not against Dave Rubin. Maybe I need to be perfectly

00:02:08.700 clear about that, nor is he accused of doing anything criminal or wrong. He, in fact, is one

00:02:14.580 of the victims of this scheme that the DOJ alleged in great detail yesterday. He, Tim Poole, Benny Johnson,

00:02:23.340 and other conservative media personalities you likely know well. They've all been swept up in this

00:02:30.980 Department of Justice indictment announced last night, not against them, but against two Russians,

00:02:36.920 a male and a female, for their involvement in creating an independent media company that used

00:02:44.620 the podcast feeds and services of these big names in order to amplify their own channel called Tenant

00:02:52.240 Media. And the whole thing turned out to be covertly funded by Russian media organization RT, so alleges the

00:03:01.140 Department of Justice. It's a complicated case that is unsurprisingly not being covered, honestly.

00:03:05.960 So far by the corporate press, or I'm just going to lay it out for you quickly, relatively quickly.

00:03:13.020 Okay, so here's the deal. The DOJ is alleging that these two Russians who worked for RT, I mean,

00:03:19.840 that does matter, but it's really the fact that they're in Russia and they're Russian and they're

00:03:23.300 pushing Russian interests. What they did was they called their friend Lauren Chen. Now, she is a

00:03:30.620 Canadian citizen who's living and working in America, I believe living here too, but definitely working

00:03:36.240 in America for, among others, the Blaze. And she's a relatively well-known conservative personality

00:03:43.120 online. I will say she's a troll. I unfollowed her a while ago because it was obvious this is not a person

00:03:50.760 worth listening to on X. So they contacted Lauren Chen because, unbeknownst to me, she had worked for RT

00:04:01.140 for a year as a commentator, apparently on the air, but at least writing articles for them. So openly

00:04:08.440 affiliating with this channel. Now, it's not the RT. It's definitely state-run media. It is with Russia.

00:04:14.920 I mean, good luck finding them doing anything critical of Vladimir Putin. Trust me. They try

00:04:21.220 to get more and more influence in the United States. They've had people reach out to me

00:04:24.800 many times to try to get me to do something. It's a no. Okay. They know that by this point.

00:04:31.940 But in this case, they did reach out to Lauren, according to this indictment, and said,

00:04:37.720 help us form a new independent media company and help us find influencers who will work for it.

00:04:43.820 And according to the indictment, she did. She and her husband both did that and recruited guys like

00:04:50.300 Dave and Tim Pool and Benny and three others I never heard of. And she, according to the indictment,

00:04:57.640 knew that the Russians would be funding this and editing content. But the influencers, the conservative

00:05:05.880 podcasters did not. And that's according to the indictment. That's why none of them has been

00:05:10.960 indicted. The feds are saying Rubin, Poole, Benny, they didn't know. They were not told. In fact,

00:05:17.300 they were given misinformation by Lauren because they allege she knew they would never do this if

00:05:24.340 they understood it was being funded by the Russians. Um, she told them that it was all being funded by

00:05:29.020 some French businessman, Edward Gregorian. And the indictment alleges that both Tim and Dave,

00:05:37.220 I don't know about the others, tried to kick the tires a bit, obviously not enough on who this is,

00:05:43.940 who's Edward Gregorian. And they wanted to see like a profile of the guy. All that was forwarded

00:05:49.860 was a LinkedIn, which appears obviously to have been fake. And then Dave Rubin is, according to the

00:05:54.880 indictment, the guy who pushed more and said like, this isn't enough. And then they created this whole

00:06:00.060 fake profile of this guy, Edward Gregorian. That's like pretty fancy. I'm holding it up for

00:06:07.720 the listening audience. And you can see, frankly, it looks a little, obviously stock picture at the

00:06:14.200 top of some vaguely attractive man looking out a window of a private jet. And then it's got all sorts

00:06:20.140 of fawning descriptions about the guy. And Dave apparently did push back even after that saying,

00:06:26.520 I'm not sure about this guy. It says he's into social justice. Why is he looking for me?

00:06:30.960 Anyway, there was some pushback, but here's the bottom line. They were offering eye popping sums

00:06:37.480 to these influencers and they took the deal. According to the indictment, Dave was offered some

00:06:47.240 number and he went back and said, I'm not getting involved with this. And he didn't do anything really

00:06:51.860 extraordinary for them. He was doing something like viral videos and aren't they funny? Ha ha ha for a

00:06:58.320 few months. But for that, they were willing to pay him $400,000 a month, every month for a year,

00:07:08.060 plus a signing bonus, plus another bonus. So we're talking about, you know, between five and six

00:07:13.140 million dollars for one year. Um, and Tim pool reportedly, well, according to the indictment

00:07:20.500 was charging $100,000 per video per, per week. He would post something, I guess, once a week,

00:07:27.160 which would be in a similar ballpark. I will tell you in the podcast world, those are jaw dropping

00:07:34.520 sums. And I'm sure people will make the argument. They should have known. Um, my friend Jim Garrett,

00:07:41.380 he's making that argument right now over at national review and others will make that same

00:07:44.680 argument. But I can tell you personally that I've known Dave for a long time. And there is

00:07:51.340 zero chance that he knew anything about this. I, we had a conversation a year ago, he and I,

00:07:59.960 and I can disclose this in which he mentioned this in passing. This wasn't like our main point,

00:08:05.060 but he mentioned this and he told me, I said, who's funding this? And he said, it's a French

00:08:11.580 businessman. And Dave would have no reason to lie to me that he said that explicitly and not for

00:08:18.040 nothing, but the conversation went on. And I will tell you that I told him not to do it. And that was

00:08:22.680 not necessarily because I knew anything about the funding. We didn't get into that more than him

00:08:25.800 saying it was his French guy, but I don't have good feelings about this Lauren Chen. And I was right.

00:08:31.340 And I'm sorry that Dave got swept up in this and I'm sorry, Tim did. I don't know Benny, but you

00:08:37.480 know, I do think these guys are right that they were the victims in this scheme. And sure, you can

00:08:42.080 say they should have known, I get it. But you guys know, I did that fraud series over, um, our,

00:08:49.000 my June vacation. And I too was almost defrauded. It was a totally different scheme. It was,

00:08:55.620 it was like some guy trying to convince us that my mother-in-law trying to convince her that, uh,

00:09:00.080 her daughter had been in a car accident, pay money and all that. You should check the episode

00:09:03.520 out. It's actually really good, but I understand it's very easy with 2020 hindsight to say they

00:09:09.280 should have known. Anyway, the question now is what does this indictment mean? Because they claim

00:09:16.320 that there's a wider reach than just this podcast network. And they also don't say that Lauren and

00:09:27.980 her husband, Liam Donovan, not to be confused with the Liam Donovan, who's very prolific on Twitter,

00:09:33.380 who's all out there saying that it's not me. It's different Liam Donovan. What about them?

00:09:39.300 They are not indicted per this document, though. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened in secret

00:09:45.200 and that they've potentially turned against these two Russians and are cooperating with them. But I

00:09:50.860 will tell you when you read this indictment, for sure, these two Russians seem like the villains

00:09:55.320 and Lauren and her husband do not come off much better. We'll see what their defense is. So far,

00:10:02.640 they've said nothing. And I'll get more into detail on what the podcasters are saying in their own

00:10:07.300 defense in one second. Okay. Joining me now to discuss Joel Pollack. He's author of the new book,

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00:11:48.140 So Dave, you're an actual criminal prosecutor in Palm Beach. So I'll ask you first, what do you make of

00:11:54.120 my summary of these allegations and how troubling do you find them? Troubling. And I think you're spot

00:11:59.660 on, Megan, especially when you're talking about Lauren Chen. You know, Lauren Chen was pretty normal

00:12:04.540 for a while and then she started taking money from Russia, apparently around 2021. And then all of a

00:12:10.900 sudden she started complaining about the influence of Jews in political life and AIPAC and how they

00:12:16.440 were controlling the agenda. What sounds like projecting to me, right? The whole dual loyalty

00:12:20.840 thing. All of a sudden she started being one of the more prominent anti-Semites on social media. So

00:12:26.400 I have no sympathy for her and hopefully she'll be held accountable in all this. And you're right to call

00:12:32.200 her out. As far as the others, you know, I worry about like with Tim Poole, for example,

00:12:37.600 he was issuing broadsides against Ukraine, saying Ukraine was the biggest enemy of the United States.

00:12:42.960 You're wondering, where did this come from? Well, you have to wonder, you know, was he a useful

00:12:46.900 idiot for Russia? I, the, the government said he wasn't a Russian agent. They didn't indict him for

00:12:52.820 anything, but they're sort of accusing him being useful idiots where they are promoting Russian

00:12:57.840 propaganda. And now all of a sudden I've seen social media where he's backing down from that

00:13:02.020 and saying, well, you know, I've switched on Ukraine. I don't know if that's real or not,

00:13:06.180 but it's really suspicious. And I'm glad the government's doing this and that they were

00:13:10.520 unafraid to do this, this close to the election. I'm actually a little surprised because Merrick

00:13:14.780 Garland is not known for his courage. He's known for his timidity. And here we are with this. And

00:13:21.020 for those who think this is political, they could have indicted people, perhaps if they really

00:13:25.800 wanted to get political, they did not. You were correct, Megan, how you phrase this.

00:13:29.980 So it's, it's an important issue. It is troubling. And we should all be talking about it today as you

00:13:34.580 are. But before I get Joel's reaction to that, Dave, is it, it's very odd that Lauren and her

00:13:39.820 husband are not named as, you know, two of the targets to the indicted defendants. So, and there's

00:13:46.760 no way the government doesn't think it has the ability to do that against them. If you read the

00:13:51.020 indictment, they're, they're really among the top villains. And they make very clear that they

00:13:57.060 believe Lauren and her husband, they have, they have them dead rights. They believe on knowing this

00:14:01.660 was Russian money and that they were acting as agents of Russia and that they were hiding it from

00:14:06.000 the podcasters. So you tell me as a DA, what do you think is happening behind the scenes here?

00:14:11.480 Because those are like the only two who haven't issued a statement.

00:14:14.620 Right. Well, that is telling. That could mean they're cooperating or in discussions to cooperate.

00:14:20.600 I don't know if they've been issued a target letter. The feds keep things close to the best.

00:14:24.300 Could they have been indicted? Could they already have been indicted secretly and cut a deal to work

00:14:28.760 with the feds? They could have cut a deal. I think that a secret indictment is unlikely. I think that

00:14:35.080 they could have cut a deal. Yes. The feds are uniquely private about these things. This is something

00:14:40.580 that we're different at the state level. We're public about everything. The feds do

00:14:44.560 work in secret. But you have to wonder, why would they do a secret indictment? They would

00:14:48.640 go ahead and they would indict or they would be talking to them, issuing them a target letter

00:14:53.300 and then negotiating with them. Perhaps they have flipped already because it is very conspicuous

00:14:58.280 by her silence. So you don't need to indict them, is your point, to get them to cooperate.

00:15:03.280 The DOJ, the FBI shows up and says, you're going to be indicted. And here's all the evidence

00:15:08.940 we have against you. And clearly they've been monitoring their emails and their communications

00:15:12.200 for months now. It's like they know where this is leading. And most people would probably cut a deal

00:15:18.600 because they'd be terrified. Yeah, exactly. You know, the feds usually get their person because

00:15:24.700 unlike the state, they've got really draconian penalties, unlimited resources, limited discovery

00:15:31.020 for defendants. And that's why they win about 98 percent of their cases. And unless your name is Mark

00:15:35.840 Cuban, you're likely going down. So it's probably good to cooperate early on.

00:15:39.860 Okay, Joel. So what do you make of everything we've just discussed? Because I'll just say this

00:15:44.760 one thing. I know Dave is saying that like Tim Pool was shilling on Ukraine. You and I both know that

00:15:52.180 in the conservative sphere in particular, being against our involvement, our support of Ukraine

00:15:57.860 is not that controversial a position. Oh, shoot. You know, we're having trouble with Joel. All right,

00:16:03.740 I'm going to keep it on you then, Dave, while we restore Joel's connection. So it's not that unusual,

00:16:08.540 right? There are a lot of people who are not shills for Russia who think we shouldn't have

00:16:12.980 anything to do with Ukraine. The Republican Party in general is becoming more isolationist

00:16:16.760 under Trump. And you don't have to think much of Russia at all to have that position. And here's as

00:16:22.700 far as the indictment goes. It reads in paragraph two, while the views expressed in the videos are not

00:16:29.940 uniform, the subject matter and content of the videos are often consistent with the government of

00:16:37.420 Russia's interest in amplifying U.S. domestic divisions in order to weaken U.S. opposition

00:16:42.140 to core government of Russia interests, such as its ongoing war in Ukraine. I mean, that is quite a

00:16:49.360 thin read, Dave. They're not uniform, but the subject matter and content of the videos are often

00:16:55.080 consistent with Russia's interest in amplifying U.S. domestic divisions. I mean, you could say that

00:17:01.540 this show is consistent with a desire to amplify domestic divisions because we talk about controversial

00:17:07.040 things. We don't we're not all about unity and rainbows and unicorns like this. This seems like a

00:17:12.600 thin read. I hear you. It's just the content of Tim Pool. He didn't just say, you know, I disagree with

00:17:19.680 our policy towards Ukraine. He actually said Ukraine is the greatest threat to the United States. Stuff that

00:17:24.000 is so preposterous. Like you're like wondering, did Vladimir Putin write that himself? And now I don't know if

00:17:29.420 this is true because I saw on Twitter. I don't like calling it the other name, but on Twitter that

00:17:33.780 he's now changed his position. I don't because I don't know what to believe anymore if there's it's

00:17:38.360 a deep fake or not. But if he changed his position overnight because of that, that's also telling

00:17:42.220 one more thing on that. Remember, there was that attack on the concert venue in Moscow in March.

00:17:47.380 It was an ISIS attack. And yet the Russians who were involved with this operation told the folks

00:17:54.140 a tenant to push the narrative that it was Ukraine behind it. And apparently some of the folks that

00:17:59.680 were eager to do so. So, you know, that's why it's like it's a little more than just saying we

00:18:04.080 disagree. Let's be specific. That's let's be specific. I saw that same allegation. It's and

00:18:09.000 it's probably the worst, the worst allegation in here about what they did. But it's not them.

00:18:15.700 It's not like, first of all, I want to reiterate on Tim Pool because you're saying, OK, he was maybe

00:18:19.880 he was shilling, but he's not even alleged to have known that the Russians were here like we're

00:18:24.120 paying him. So there would have been no reason for him to change his position, position to be

00:18:27.980 pro-Russia. He may he may have just been pro-Russia. He may have just been anti-Ukraine. I think that he

00:18:32.600 was anti-Ukraine and I think he could have come by that and did come by that totally organically

00:18:36.400 without knowing he was getting Russian money. That's what the indictment says. But here's the thing

00:18:41.420 that you're referring to that does bear some discussion. And that is on page 24 and 25 of the

00:18:46.720 indictment. They write that on or about February 14th, 2024, one of these Russians, she goes by

00:18:54.520 a couple of different names, but one of them is Helena Shudra shared with Tenet. They don't say

00:19:00.560 Tenet. They say U.S. Company One, but we know it's Tenet. A video of a well-known U.S. political

00:19:05.420 commentator visiting a grocery store in Russia. That's obviously Tucker. Helena posted the video

00:19:11.840 on the producer's Discord channel. That's an internal, that's like how you communicate in

00:19:18.300 like a more protected way internally as producers at Tenet. Later that day, producer one, and we don't

00:19:25.460 know who that is, privately messaged founder two, that's Liam Donovan, Lauren's husband,

00:19:30.960 on Discord. They want me to push this, right? So this producer, again, we don't know who it is,

00:19:35.660 referencing this video of Tucker. But it just feels like overt shilling. Founder two, meaning,

00:19:41.580 again, Liam Donovan, replied that founder one, that's Lauren Chen, quote, thinks we should put

00:19:46.940 it out there. Producer one acquiesced, responding, all right, I'll put it out tomorrow. Then the next

00:19:52.620 example. As another example, on or about March 22nd, 2024, Helena, the Russian, shared in the

00:20:00.240 producer Discord channel a video of the March 22, 2024 terrorist attack on a music venue in Moscow,

00:20:05.700 which killed approximately 145 people and injured hundreds more. Producer one privately messaged

00:20:11.440 founder one, meaning Lauren Chen, writing, I don't know if you saw it, but they want me to post

00:20:15.880 some footage from an attack in Moscow today. There's a watermark in the middle of the page

00:20:20.580 that's blurred, which looks bad. And it's also pretty graphic. You can see people getting shot,

00:20:26.140 albeit from far away. That's a very normal producer email descent. It's got a watermark,

00:20:30.960 meaning somebody else owns it. And there's excessive violence. Is that something we're going to put on

00:20:34.980 the air? Founder one, Lauren Chen, did not push back on the content of the clip,

00:20:38.700 but replied in the producer Discord channel, quote, I'm not sure. Uh, it's, it's a good idea

00:20:46.320 to blur out someone's modern watermark. Then weighs in the Russian, Helena, assuring the group that,

00:20:52.880 quote, it's fine. No worries. It falls under fair use. Producer one and producer two found a video clip

00:20:59.100 of the attack without the watermark and posted the clip to X. The next day, Helena privately messer

00:21:05.700 messaged founder one, Lauren Chen on discord asking that quote, one of our creators record something

00:21:12.140 about the Moscow terror attack. Despite public reporting that the foreign terrorist organization,

00:21:16.860 ISIS had claimed responsibility for the attack. Helena requested that tenant media blame Ukraine

00:21:22.340 and the U S writing quote, I think we can focus on the Ukraine slash U S angle. The mainstream media

00:21:28.040 spread fake news that ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack. Yet ISIS itself never made such statements.

00:21:33.120 All terrorists are now detained while they were headed to the border with Ukraine, which makes

00:21:37.960 it even more suspicious why they would want to go to Ukraine to hide and quote founder one, meaning

00:21:44.180 Lauren Chen responded that she would ask commentator three. We don't know who that is. And the next day

00:21:53.040 confirmed that commentator three said, quote, he's happy to cover it. That's the entirety of getting

00:22:00.320 one of the hired podcasters or influencers to directly shill. We don't know who commentator three

00:22:07.540 is, but it's not Ruben and it's not Tim pool. And it's not the woman who's been mentioned,

00:22:12.460 not Lauren Chen, but the other podcaster. And this person, all this person would have known was that

00:22:18.960 Lauren Chen was asking him to push this message. And there's no, not even an allegation that he would

00:22:26.800 have known. It was a Russian request, just that Lauren Chen who brought him into this company

00:22:31.780 thought this was a good angle to pursue. That's as far as it goes. I think we have Joel now, Joel,

00:22:38.080 welcome your take on all of this. Thanks, Megan. And hi, Dave. You know, I just want to say Dave's

00:22:43.280 one of the most fair-minded people out there. It's great to hear his take. And I remember watching in

00:22:49.020 2016 when he came out with the decision not to prosecute Corey Lewandowski over the incident with my

00:22:55.560 former colleague, Michelle Fields, and we all expected him to prosecute Lewandowski because

00:22:59.280 he's a Democrat and it's Palm Beach County. And he didn't, he looked at the facts and he called it

00:23:04.860 as he saw it. So he's a real great person to meet here, at least virtually. I think that this is,

00:23:11.300 I think this is a case where there are different people who are swept up in this. I mean, I think

00:23:18.000 it's funny to call people who've received millions of dollars victims. You know, usually when you talk

00:23:22.160 about victims of fraud, they're the ones who lost millions of dollars. So, you know, maybe I wouldn't

00:23:27.040 mind being a victim who got paid millions of dollars, but, but anyway, look, I think they are

00:23:32.380 going to suffer a little bit through this controversy. The only two that I know are Tim Poole and Lauren

00:23:37.820 Chen. And Tim Poole, I've been on his show a couple of times. I was there last week and he's always struck

00:23:44.440 me as a straight shooter. Nobody should assume that because he had sponsorship from this organization or

00:23:50.900 that person that he's taking their view. He has strong views. He has views against our foreign

00:23:57.800 policy in Ukraine and so forth. And I don't think anybody could have bought him either way.

00:24:03.580 Lauren Chen, I don't know very well, but I got to know her sort of through X or Twitter back in

00:24:09.680 October, where she came after me out of the blue. When I said some things about Israel that were pro-Israel,

00:24:15.760 admittedly quite strident and emotional after October 7th, but she was pretty hostile and she

00:24:23.380 was the first influencer or person with any kind of following that I really noticed who was

00:24:28.120 representing what surprised me as a kind of anti-Israel strain of thought on the online right.

00:24:35.560 You know, we've all seen the left explode in the streets and on campus. And there's always been some

00:24:41.040 anti-Semitism on the right and the left, especially online where people can comment anonymously.

00:24:44.900 But Lauren Chen represented this very passionate and quite rehearsed strain of thinking that was

00:24:53.900 very anti-Israel. She dialed it back over the months as these mobs emerged on campus. And I think she

00:24:59.820 took exception to that. But it now seems to me that we have to take every manifestation of some of this

00:25:07.240 online anti-Semitism or bigotry or weird commentary of any sort with a grain of salt, because we don't know

00:25:13.700 who's being paid to say what. And if that's where this came from, if this new resurgent anti-Semitism

00:25:22.100 online is coming from people who are paid to do it, I think on the one hand, it should make us feel

00:25:27.260 better because I don't think Americans are innately anti-Semitic. On the other hand, we really have to

00:25:32.860 be concerned about how much this sort of thing is affecting our discourse.

00:25:36.260 I think there's no evidence of that. There's no evidence. I've definitely seen her anti-Israel

00:25:43.180 tweets. I mean, she's been as aggressive as anybody. But there's no evidence. There's not

00:25:49.340 even an allegation in here. How is that, you know, that she was doing that to satisfy these Russian

00:25:54.920 handlers of hers, the people who are—because she was also making banks. She wasn't making as much as

00:25:59.860 Tim and Dave. But she was making thousands of dollars. I think they allege she made $750,000

00:26:05.040 in the not quite one year that this tenant media was operating. So she was getting paid a lot. But

00:26:11.460 it seemed like it was mostly to be pro-Russian, not anti-Israel. I'm going to defend her, Joel,

00:26:18.000 by saying she came by that one honestly. I think she just genuinely doesn't like the, you know,

00:26:23.800 the country of Israel or those who support it. But in any event, let me just ask—let me say this.

00:26:27.840 Okay, so I want to get to a little bit of their—what the guys are saying in their defense.

00:26:31.780 I take your point that they've made a lot of money. And there are many people online saying,

00:26:34.940 are they going to give it back? Are they going to give it back? Well, that's sticky because I'm sure

00:26:38.540 they paid people to help them with like—I mean, Dave was doing this show on viral videos. I'm sure

00:26:44.740 he had somebody he paid. I don't know where that's going to go. But here's what Dave says.

00:26:48.840 He says, these allegations clearly show that I and other commentators were the victims of this scheme.

00:26:53.040 I knew absolutely nothing about any of this fraudulent activity, period. People of the internet,

00:26:57.560 that was the name of his show, was a silly show covering viral videos, which ended four months

00:27:02.420 ago. The DOJ has never contacted me regarding this matter. He put this out last night, and I have

00:27:07.060 no intention to comment further. This screenshot directly from the indictment speaks for itself.

00:27:12.440 And there is—there's an explicit admission by the DOJ that these podcasters did not know that

00:27:20.740 Lauren, they say, knew, and her husband knew, and they kept it a secret and misled these guys into

00:27:25.720 thinking this Edouard guy, this Parisian, was really the money behind it. And again,

00:27:30.360 I can tell you myself, that's what Dave told me. Taylor Hanson, he's another one of the faces.

00:27:37.120 He says, these allegations are a complete shock. I want to be as clear as possible. I was never

00:27:41.140 directed a report on any topic. I had complete freedom and control over my reporting at all

00:27:44.660 times. I would never agree to any arrangement where I'm not the sole person in charge of the stories.

00:27:48.740 Matt Christensen, he's another one. At no point has anyone ever directed me what to say or what not to

00:27:52.860 say. I would never agree to anything otherwise. My videos and streams for Tenet are exactly the

00:27:56.900 same as my videos and streams for my personal channels. Every word's from me and me alone.

00:28:00.540 Tim Poole, we have him on camera because he reacted on his show today. Here's what he says

00:28:04.520 in part. Did you read the indictment? It clearly says that I, as well as the other personalities,

00:28:10.380 were victims. We were deceived by people intentionally to trick us into licensing our content to them.

00:28:16.560 I will add, I have a statement about this, which, you know, we'll launch the full segment,

00:28:20.420 but we never produced anything for them. We had an existing show that was already in production

00:28:26.000 that they licensed distribution for, which meant that the show that we already produced

00:28:30.020 appeared on their network. That was the gist of the deal. So there's no one from their company

00:28:36.700 involved with ours. Their company paid a license fee to broadcast a show that we produce, that we run,

00:28:41.580 that our employees are involved with, and they have nothing to do with. I don't know what,

00:28:45.200 I mean, like politically, you're going to see a bunch of Democrats making claims and all this other

00:28:48.400 stuff. I can't speak for anybody else involved in the company because I don't know what they do

00:28:52.080 or what their jobs are or anything like that. I can just tell you plainly, Culture War existed

00:28:57.180 well before the license agreement. It will exist well after the license agreement,

00:29:00.960 and they licensed it for a set period, and that meant that the show appeared on their channel.

00:29:04.920 That's it. Go ahead, Joel.

00:29:09.840 Well, it's just interesting. You mentioned that the fictitious French businessman was named

00:29:13.580 Edouard. His last name, I think, was Gregorian. It had one too many Ns. I think the double N at the

00:29:19.120 end of the last game was to tell that this was not really a well-thought-out person or persona.

00:29:25.740 But look, I have actually been in a similar situation. I don't know if you remember,

00:29:29.520 but the late Larry King had a show on a network called Aura.TV. And I used to go to his studio,

00:29:36.100 and he was still very sharp, well into his 80s or however old he was. He had a huge staff and so forth.

00:29:41.080 And then Russia Today, which is the network involved in this indictment, they bought Aura or they bought

00:29:49.040 whatever parent company was running this. And so I would go to film with Aura.TV, but then

00:29:54.300 my interviews would be replayed on Russia Today. I would never have gone to Russia Today,

00:30:00.120 but this content was, I guess, licensed to them. And I think that's what Tim Poole is saying,

00:30:05.120 that he was producing this and it was licensed to them anyway. So again, different people may have

00:30:10.640 been involved at different levels. But I think the explanation for this is pretty simple. Russia

00:30:15.820 saw people who were against the war in Ukraine, and that was their fundamental interest, or at least

00:30:21.860 skeptical of the war in Ukraine. And that was their interest in amplifying those voices for purely

00:30:26.940 strategic reasons. They want the American political discourse to shift away from support

00:30:32.600 for Ukraine. And I'm skeptical of the war in Ukraine in some ways. Nobody has made me a victim.

00:30:39.240 I am too, at this point.

00:30:40.400 Yeah. I'd like to be a victim. Maybe not at the price of my integrity. But look, this is going to

00:30:48.240 happen. We do have to be very careful about where funding comes from. And my former Breitbart

00:30:53.780 colleague, who went on to serve in the Trump administration and now has his own media show,

00:30:57.820 Sev Gorka, he had a lengthy post on X about how Lauren Chen had approached him to do content for

00:31:04.680 her company. And he said, well, where's the money coming from? And she couldn't answer him. And then

00:31:10.220 she sent him this information about Gregorian with the extra end. And he said, this doesn't look right.

00:31:14.720 And you walked away from it. So I do think it was possible to ask some more questions about this.

00:31:21.620 And I think, unfortunately, in the world we're in, where this is not just cute social media content,

00:31:27.340 this is seen by important people as very powerful. You have to be careful about who you're

00:31:32.200 dealing with. Here she is, just to give you a visual. I'm just going to run a quick soundbite

00:31:36.560 of Lauren Chen talking about repealing the 19th Amendment, because it's so annoying when the women

00:31:42.100 vote. It's not too. Democracy, all it means at its core is mob rule. And yeah, you have institutions

00:31:49.300 like the UN who like to tack on these other aspects of it. Oh, it's only a democracy. There's a

00:31:53.920 certain amount of freedom of the press. You can have opposition parties without any issues.

00:31:58.780 Like all these other things are really at its core. Democracy simply means mob rule,

00:32:03.420 majority rule. And I'm sorry to burst your bubble, guys, if you're watching this,

00:32:07.240 but there is nothing at all that says that mob rule is conducive or synonymous to freedom and

00:32:13.140 individual liberty. The 19th Amendment specifically, more so than any other law or provision out there,

00:32:19.100 solidified the concept of universal suffrage in our collective conscience. When you look at the

00:32:25.440 language of the 19th Amendment, it makes it clear that voting isn't just a civil liberty. It is

00:32:30.540 essentially a human right, no different than the right to free speech or the right to bear arms.

00:32:35.780 It talks about how the government should not be able to deny the right to vote to someone

00:32:39.740 instead of how I believe we should view voting as a privilege, something that needs to be actively

00:32:45.780 granted to someone. I am somewhat saying that women shouldn't have the right to vote in the same

00:32:51.360 way that I'm thinking that just men should not have the right to vote. Genders, entire groups of

00:32:57.280 people should not be given control of our government. All right. She's an idiot. She is just a fucking

00:33:05.800 idiot. I just, it sounds like it's no, it's no accident. They targeted her. It is no accident.

00:33:12.300 They thought I got a live one right there. The blaze TV has just fired her. That just hit. She

00:33:17.920 was an independent contractor says Tyler Carden blaze media CEO. And, uh, her contract has been

00:33:24.220 terminated. We'll see what happens to her in this legal case. Just because you're an idiot doesn't

00:33:29.940 mean you go to jail. She's not indicted by the way. I forgot to read Benny Johnson's denial. He says

00:33:35.280 a year ago, we were pitched by this startup media company to provide content as an independent

00:33:40.280 contractor. Our lawyers negotiated a standard arms Lake deal. It was later terminated. We're disturbed

00:33:44.540 by these allegations, which make clear that myself and others were victims in this scheme. My lawyers

00:33:48.500 will handle anyone who states or suggest otherwise. Got to leave it at that. Cause I know Dave's got

00:33:52.420 to run. You guys, thank you. Thank you both so much for being here. Thank you. Unbelievable, right?

00:33:58.760 I'm just like, I, it's very annoying. The whole thing is annoying because let me tell you why it's

00:34:06.700 annoying. Let me, let me play you the soundbite from morning, Joe. Look what the left is going

00:34:11.260 to do with this shit. This is what they're going to do. Not, not because of Dave, not because of

00:34:15.580 Tim, not because of Benny, because of you, Lauren, according to this indictment, we'll hear your

00:34:20.300 denial. I'm open-minded to your denial. Let's hear it. So far, she said nothing. I think we know why

00:34:25.320 she's probably working with them. Um, listen to how the people over at morning, Joe, and I'm sure

00:34:31.140 the entire left today is already spinning this. We've all seen it for several years. There are

00:34:37.860 people who are deliberately or unknowingly or unknowingly promoting Russian propaganda,

00:34:45.480 propaganda that comes straight from the Kremlin. Of course, one of the great ironies about this is,

00:34:51.460 uh, not really an irony. It's just cynicism and it's, and it's just unfortunately un-American.

00:34:57.620 These are the same people, uh, that get out, a lot of them, that get out and talk about the

00:35:04.080 Russian hoax. Oh, there's a Russian. Oh, there's a, there's no, come on. What are you talking about?

00:35:09.800 There's no connection between, you know, this and Russia and Russia is not trying to, but always

00:35:16.660 apologizing for Russia, always apologizing for Putin. Yeah. These are the people online, like you say,

00:35:22.420 Joe, who have condemned what they call the Russia hoax, despite all the information we had in front of

00:35:27.280 us from the Mueller report and now from this indictment, but also who are perceived as truth

00:35:33.040 tellers outside the mainstream media. You're not getting the real story. You're not getting the true

00:35:37.320 story. Come to my YouTube channel and I'll tell you the truth. Well, it turns out some of those

00:35:41.360 prominent among them were complete dupes for the Russian government. That's where they're going to

00:35:47.760 go with this. They're not going to read the indictment. They're not going to see that the feds

00:35:51.140 do not even allege in particular that Tim and Dave had any knowledge whatsoever that any of them

00:35:58.920 had any knowledge whatsoever that the Russians, other than Lauren and her husband, were actually

00:36:03.100 paying the salaries. Uh, and in, except for that one instance, I just read you with commentator

00:36:08.960 number three and it's a, he, so I, it's either Benny Johnson, Matt Christensen or Taylor Hanson.

00:36:17.620 Cause we know, uh, Rubin and pool are one and two. There's no specific allegation that anybody ever

00:36:24.780 actively covered or changed their coverage of something in the news at the request, not of,

00:36:31.320 not of the Russians, but of Lauren. That's as much as they've been able to allege. So even commentator

00:36:37.220 number three thought this was coming from Lauren and according to the indictment did change or at

00:36:42.280 least agreed to cover a story. I don't know whether he would have otherwise, but that person's going to

00:36:46.620 need to speak out and should speak out. Uh, and this is, this does not undo years of false Russia gate

00:36:54.740 allegations, but that's where the left is going to go with it. Shame on all of the people who push this

00:37:00.960 on us. And I'm talking to you, you two Russians who allegedly work for RT and if Lauren and her

00:37:07.040 husband, Liam actually did what's alleged in this indictment, I realized it's a DOJ. I realized the

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00:38:26.380 A major about face by a quote unquote Republican. Well, she's a Republican. She just, she's never

00:38:32.980 Trumper. Hardcore never Trumper. Who just a few years ago was very anti-Kamala Harris. Yes,

00:38:38.820 Liz Cheney. She has now publicly endorsed the vice president. And the left is very,

00:38:43.980 very excited about this because they think it's going to persuade who again. Joining me now,

00:38:51.160 the guys from Real Clear Politics. Find them across the dial on SiriusXM every night. They're

00:38:56.140 on the POTUS channel and we've got them all. Tom Bevan, co-founder and president of RCP,

00:39:01.820 Carl Cannon, Washington Bureau chief, and Andrew Walworth, chief content officer. Guys,

00:39:07.680 I hope this isn't too personal, but I love the podcast and I listen to it all the time.

00:39:11.460 And sometimes like if I wake up in the middle of the night or whatever, I'll put on a podcast and

00:39:16.560 I'll listen to it. And last night I, I was, it was like four 30 in the morning and I was listening

00:39:23.300 to the RCP show and you'll be happy to know it did not put me back to sleep. It did not.

00:39:30.180 Great news. So thank you. Thank you for that. Um, okay. So let's start with Liz Cheney. Tom,

00:39:35.780 I bet team Trump is quaking in its boots. This is the ultimate, uh, you know, dog bites man story.

00:39:44.440 Like what, what is the news here really? Right. We know Liz Cheney is, is not a fan of Donald Trump.

00:39:50.940 That's obvious. And so the idea was, I mean, she made this big announcement that she'd thought

00:39:56.020 deeply about this and she was going to go ahead and vote for Kamala. I mean, I just don't know what

00:39:59.740 to, obviously it gets play in the media and on MSNBC because it's bad news for Trump or it's,

00:40:06.180 it's, you know, it's a bad headline for Trump or whatever. But to your point, Megan, like,

00:40:10.200 who's this going to convince how this is, this is really not much of the story at all, in my opinion.

00:40:16.500 And yet people are excited about it. I don't know. Here she is. Here's Liz Cheney explaining her

00:40:21.240 reasoning. Sot 10. I think it is, it is crucially important for, for people to recognize not only

00:40:32.520 is what I've just said about the danger that Trump poses, uh, something that should prevent people

00:40:39.960 from voting for him. Um, but I don't believe that we have the luxury of writing in candidates' names,

00:40:48.200 particularly in swing States. And as a conservative, as someone who believes in and cares about the

00:40:54.700 constitution, uh, I have thought deeply about this. And because of the danger that Donald Trump

00:41:01.280 poses, uh, not only am I not voting for Donald Trump, but I will be voting for Kamala Harris.

00:41:10.080 All right. And yet, Carl, you've got tweets all over the internet, including this one from August,

00:41:14.620 2020, where Liz Cheney wrote, Kamala Harris is a radical liberal who would, who would raise taxes,

00:41:19.780 take away guns and health insurance and explode the size and power of the federal government.

00:41:23.280 She wants to recreate America in the image of what's happening on the streets of Portland and

00:41:27.280 Seattle. We won't give her the chance. So which, which constitution is governing right now in Liz

00:41:33.500 Cheney's mind? Well, Megan, I understand why some of these establishment Republicans dislike Trump.

00:41:39.540 They, you know, people like, you know, you know, the names, Bill Kristol and Liz Cheney and other

00:41:44.820 people, some people, some of them are my friends, you know, Donald, it was like a hostile takeover

00:41:49.200 their party in their minds. So some, the way some of them talk about Trump is, is angrier than the

00:41:55.560 Democrats. I understand that. But so then you think, are they, some of them want Trump to lose so that

00:42:02.500 they can reconstitute, you know, bring back what they would call the norms or whatever, you know,

00:42:06.780 bring back the old coalition? Maybe. And, but she didn't say that. What she said was that

00:42:13.860 Donald Trump is a threat to the constitution. They, you know, that this will be the last election

00:42:17.720 we ever have. The, these, you know, these ideas about that Donald Trump is a, an authoritarian,

00:42:23.920 that the democracy is actually on the ballot. There's no evidence for that. And the Democrats ran on that

00:42:30.440 in 2020 in the midterms and it helped them. They're running on it again. I, I don't, I don't

00:42:36.240 understand why people believe that, but that's what Liz Cheney said. And so it, you know, once

00:42:41.980 you get to that point, I guess, then you think, gee, Kamala Harris would be a terrible president

00:42:46.320 and the Democrats are, their policies are awful, but I'm doing this to save my country. I think

00:42:50.600 they've convinced themselves of this. I just don't think that this is going to have influence over

00:42:55.520 a single American. Absolutely not one, not one. All the people who are going to vote for Kamala

00:43:00.900 will say, great, Liz Cheney's on board. And all the people who are going to vote for Trump will say,

00:43:04.440 who cares? We know Liz Cheney hates Trump and the undecided four people who live in these swing

00:43:09.160 states will say who, what? I don't. Okay. And they're going to move on. Um, like Mike Pence

00:43:15.060 is not supporting Trump. That didn't seem to have some massive impact. I don't know why Liz Cheney

00:43:19.920 would. Um, but let's talk about the, the biggest news that's coming in the next week or so. And

00:43:25.940 that's the debate. Apparently Andrew, there will be Mike's turned off during the other person's

00:43:34.280 turn. So while Trump is speaking, her white Mike will be off while she is speaking. Trump's Mike

00:43:38.980 will be turned off. This was the subject of debate for weeks. And, uh, the reports are that her team

00:43:46.700 is very disappointed about this because she was looking to have what they're calling a, um, a Brett

00:43:54.320 Kavanaugh moment with her, where she, she got up and Brett Kavanaugh's face during the confirmation

00:43:59.820 hearing. So how big an impact if any, will this have on our experience of this debate on Tuesday

00:44:05.560 night? Well, I guess marginally, uh, people are saying it's a victory for Trump. I don't think it

00:44:11.140 makes any difference at all. Uh, I think they were going to debate no matter what they both need the

00:44:16.560 debate. Um, Trump has been practicing and practicing for this. Uh, every time he goes out and speaks to

00:44:23.040 someone on a podcast or a town hall or, uh, within with a press conference, he's practicing. So I think

00:44:30.780 he's ready for the debate. The big question is, is she ready? Um, there'll be no notes, uh, that you can

00:44:36.760 bring. It's a standup debate, I believe still. So it will be all the rules that applied during Joe

00:44:43.720 Biden's debate. And we saw how that ended up for Joe Biden. So, um, if, if, if, if I had to bet,

00:44:50.200 I think he probably will have a good night and, uh, she's going to be, the bar's pretty high for her

00:44:54.780 because she has not been doing any press talk to anybody been challenged in any way other than that

00:45:01.540 CNN interview. Um, so we'll see what happens, but every, you know, the stakes are pretty high,

00:45:07.560 I guess. Yeah. Well, in the meantime, NBC news reporting earlier this week, that this is how

00:45:12.380 she's preparing that she's being coached to avoid being pulled into Trump's personal attacks by

00:45:17.320 remaining calm. She and her team are focusing on how to needle Trump and rattle him in that sense.

00:45:24.840 The source said it's going to be less about substance and more about showcasing Harris as a

00:45:30.720 woman who is not scared. Okay. So that's what we're looking for to president. Now, a woman,

00:45:36.620 she's a woman. So check who is not scared of Donald Trump that will earn you the presidency

00:45:42.640 in the eyes of her team, Tom Bevin, but the plan to rattle and needle Trump is a good one.

00:45:51.320 And we'll see whether they're able to do it. That was what they did throughout

00:45:54.680 the DNC, making fun of him, not being a billionaire, his money, the criminal cases against him.

00:46:02.660 And he held his fire. He did not start spouting off on truth social in the middle of the night,

00:46:08.720 face to face across from her. Can he do it? Yeah, we'll find out. I mean, look,

00:46:14.940 the reason she wanted these mics on is she wanted to pull that same shtick that she did with Mike Pence

00:46:19.220 in 2020. You know, excuse me, excuse me, I'm speaking, stop speaking over me, sort of,

00:46:24.140 you know, that, that whole thing. Totally. And there was a report by, I think, CNN,

00:46:29.620 who had a source that ABC News saying that, or that the campaign, Kamala Harris's campaign had

00:46:37.040 gotten assurances from ABC that if there was some crosstalk, that the mics would be turned on

00:46:43.020 and that the moderators would help inform the public about what, what was being said. So,

00:46:48.100 you know, that was sort of a curious report. I'll be interested to see when, when this actually goes

00:46:53.540 down, whether those mics are fully turned off the entire time or whether they, you know, they might

00:46:58.840 be left on on occasion or, or how, how they handle the crosstalk between these two candidates. But

00:47:03.740 you're certainly right that, you know, she's going to try and get in his head and say some things and,

00:47:09.540 you know, try and get him to overreact and then, you know, play, perhaps play the victim or whatever

00:47:16.080 the situation is going to be. And Trump has to be aware of that and, and has to basically not fall

00:47:21.860 for it. And we'll see whether he's able to do that or not. You never know. I suppose it, it'll depend

00:47:26.080 on the, you know, the mood he's in on the night of the debate. He's had far more experience with

00:47:31.740 adversarial media than she is, which is to his advantage, Carl. Well, yeah. And you've reminded me of

00:47:38.080 something. The first person who showed on a presidential debate staff, uh, the debate stage

00:47:44.000 that they could be simultaneously a woman and unafraid of Donald Trump was Megyn Kelly.

00:47:51.900 So I guess you for president, I think it does. And, and in terms, in terms of that microphone,

00:48:00.540 I'll take you guys back when a couple of elections, even earlier, Al Gore's debating George Bush

00:48:06.220 and there, and Al Gore, Bush is talking and Gore was sighing so loudly into the microphone.

00:48:12.140 Those of us who were in the hall there couldn't hear Bush. And I was sitting next to Frank Bruni

00:48:17.240 of the New York times. I said, Frank, is the air conditioning broken? What's going on? And he

00:48:21.440 turned to me and said, I think that's Gore. And the neck and on TV, it wasn't as bad, but the next day,

00:48:27.920 Barbara Bush and then, and then Gore, you know, stalked across the stage, um, at Bush and Bush kind of

00:48:34.020 smirked at him. Like he was, you know, bring it on boy. And the next day, Barbara Bush was clutching

00:48:39.380 her pearls and on one of the morning shows. And she said, I thought he was going to hit George.

00:48:44.160 And, you know, so some of these histrionics get these subtle movements. And, you know,

00:48:50.020 when Bush's father looked at his watch during debate, they can matter. And so I, I, you know,

00:48:54.740 so I think the Mike's turned, I guess I'd kind of prefer him just to be on all the time.

00:48:59.240 You guys remember when, when moment in the New York, in the New York Senate race,

00:49:03.220 New York Senate race, go ahead, Tom. No, Rick Lazio marched across the stage with a piece of

00:49:08.160 paper and sort of waved it in Hillary Clinton's face. But that, but that's what Gore did.

00:49:12.220 That fired on him. Gore did that two weeks after you thought, you thought he would have been warned.

00:49:16.840 Yeah. He just figured because he was up against a male opponent, he could get away with that.

00:49:20.520 But certainly that male female dynamic will play. And given the rate, the gender divide in this

00:49:26.080 election, Trump does have to be careful. Like he can't do anything too aggressive,

00:49:30.180 even though she'll be aggressive against him. She's called him a predator.

00:49:33.420 She's gotten as aggressive rhetorically as you can. He, there's just a dynamic. I'm sorry. It's

00:49:38.700 there. He would be completely reckless to get in her face physically in any way. And I don't think

00:49:46.320 he'll do that. All right. You guys have to get us up to speed on what these polls are saying,

00:49:50.800 because we had three big polls at least come out this week. And I know it's tight, super tight,

00:49:56.520 but some of them say she's got a little bit more of the advantage in the swing states.

00:50:00.460 And some say, okay, but he's winning slightly in Pennsylvania. So that does, that erases those

00:50:04.960 other advantages. These guys will talk straight to us after we take this break and tell you what

00:50:10.380 you need to know. Don't go away. The RCP guys stay with me more ahead.

00:50:13.820 So guys, let's just start with this. Apparently the God of predictions, the Karnak of elections

00:50:24.160 has come out to tell us that he knows who's going to win. It's American university professor,

00:50:30.560 Dr. Alan Lickman, who has correctly predicted nine of the last 10 presidential elections.

00:50:35.860 He gave his final verdict today about the 2024 race. The only one he's gotten wrong out of the last

00:50:42.380 10 elections was Bush v. Gore. He must've been confused by all the sighing, Carl. It also could

00:50:49.520 have been the very tight hanging Chad race that we saw there, but he's right almost always. And he says

00:50:57.540 vice president Kamala Harris will defeat former president Donald Trump and keep the white house

00:51:03.500 in democratic hands. Well, what do you guys think of the good professor?

00:51:09.380 Well, listen, we'll see. Uh, we'll see whether, you know, his track record isn't as, as Sterling,

00:51:16.520 I think as most people make it out to be. Um, but look, this is a close race. It could go either

00:51:21.220 way. I mean, that's the truth. And, you know, he's got his 13 keys that he uses and that's fine.

00:51:26.160 But, you know, we go by what the poll show and right now the poll show, this is a very,

00:51:30.000 very close race. Politico put it at, um, what did they say? Knife fight in a phone booth.

00:51:37.200 That's how tight it is right now. And we've had a couple of polls come out over the past few days.

00:51:43.520 Uh, ABC and Ipsos released a poll on Tuesday showing no post DNC bounce for her showing that

00:51:53.020 they pulled registered voters before and after the convention. And she was up plus four in both of

00:51:59.640 them. It does show that when you zero it down to likely voters, she's up six, but that's, you know,

00:52:05.100 a national poll. And then you get into this Politico state of the race as of Monday. And this is the one

00:52:10.140 I wanted to ask you guys about, because they go through all of the swing States and they take your

00:52:14.400 average, the RCP average, the five 38 average, that's Nate Silver's old organization, which he's got

00:52:20.480 some issues with now and the way they're trying to implement his old model. And then there's the

00:52:24.780 actual Nate Silver, which he calls the silver bulletin average. And they compared all three of

00:52:30.080 them in all of the seven swing States. And what they showed is that it is extremely tight, but I will

00:52:38.240 tell you, there's a lot of Harris leads. They're slim, but she, this is my armchair take on what I'm

00:52:45.960 looking at here. Like in Arizona, again, this is going at the three of your averages compared to

00:52:51.520 each other. Here's Arizona. She's plus 0.2 plus 0.5 plus 0.5 Georgia. She's plus 0.4. Then Trump plus

00:53:03.780 0.2 Harris plus 0.1 Michigan. She's plus 2.4 plus 1.1 plus 1.9. And that's kind of how it goes

00:53:13.960 throughout except North Carolina, which shows Trump plus 0.4 0.6 0.3. I know from listening to

00:53:23.040 you guys that you think Pennsylvania in particular is tighter than this comparison is showing,

00:53:28.320 which shows her plus 1.2 plus 0.5 plus 1.2. And as somebody who has said, she's going to vote for

00:53:34.800 Trump. I don't like these numbers. It's tight, but she seems to be leading in all of them. And I know

00:53:39.480 that these polls have margins of error, but you guys are always pointing out. That's why you do

00:53:43.760 averages of all the polls. So what am I missing here, Andrew? I like, is there something that's

00:53:49.660 wrong with looking at it this way? No, I think, I think that's a good way to look at it. Um, and I

00:53:55.480 think you're right to point out that, uh, the national averages are not that important. What's

00:54:00.840 really matters is the swing States. Um, Pennsylvania is the tightest of the tight. I've

00:54:07.840 never seen anything like this before. Tom may know better, but the last three polls that went into

00:54:13.660 the RCP average were all tied. So we have Pennsylvania totally tied up. That rarely happens,

00:54:20.120 um, with that kind of consistency. So I think it will come down to Pennsylvania. Um, that's what 19

00:54:26.000 electoral votes. So that's pretty important state, uh, for Trump to win. But as you know,

00:54:31.840 as, as we know, this is about as tight a race as it could be right now, I would, uh, you know,

00:54:40.600 I think we'll just have to wait and see. Um, that's the thing. We don't know. It's frustrating.

00:54:44.900 We want to know. We want the predictor that's going to show us how, and it's just not there.

00:54:48.860 Like this is going to be a nail biter, isn't it, Carl? Yeah. And I, I don't want to know. I look

00:54:53.620 forward to election night. Megan, here's the, here's the thing. Tom and I have been talking about

00:54:58.000 this going back and forth on our own podcast in 2016. And again, in 2020, six of these seven

00:55:03.720 States broke the same way for, for Donald Trump. And then for Joe Biden, there's nothing written

00:55:09.660 in, you know, in stone or in the heavens that they have to break that way. It could be four to three.

00:55:13.960 We could look at, we could be looking piecing together and trying, you know, more like 2000,

00:55:19.080 the, the one that, uh, professor Lector missed, you know, we're, we're looking for two or three

00:55:23.440 electoral votes here or there. But the, the other big question that I have going into this

00:55:29.000 as have the, have these pollsters fix the problems that had caused them to undercount

00:55:35.700 Donald Trump, both in both of those elections. Uh, they, they think they have, they say they've

00:55:40.980 tried, but we won't know till election night, because remember, if this thing is tied in all

00:55:45.660 these swing States, it wasn't, it wasn't close four years ago. Biden had a significant lead

00:55:50.580 in all these States. And then they were much closer. So if the pollsters are wrong again,

00:55:55.720 two, three, four points off, then Trump's going to win. So that's, that's the other thing we'll

00:56:01.760 know election night, because these are real clear politics and Nate Silver and five 30,

00:56:06.460 they're not doing their original polling. They are aggregating these polls. And then

00:56:10.040 political is aggregating the aggregators. But the big question people know, and I was talking to

00:56:15.120 Doug rivers, who does the you gov poll. I had dinner with him Sunday night. And he, he says that he

00:56:20.460 hopes they fixed it, but he won't know. Hmm. The other thing that we're not talking about

00:56:25.440 much at all, Tom is they get out the vote operation and Trump has been dumping on vote

00:56:31.700 by mail for four years now. Yeah. You know, you can tell when somebody smart gets in his

00:56:37.980 ear and says, stop saying that we need to bank early vote. He'll have like one interview where

00:56:42.760 he's like, yeah, okay. Vote by mail. And then left to his own devices. He's back to no,

00:56:47.060 I don't know. Could be fraud, but they're going to start banking vote, especially on the Dem side,

00:56:51.960 starting on September 16th in Pennsylvania, right? 16th or 13th. Anyway, soon. And on the Republican

00:56:58.040 side, I don't really know what the get out the vote operation is other than Charlie Kirk or pal

00:57:03.480 Charlie over at turning point USA. I like the RNC seems to have outsourced it to him and he's great,

00:57:11.020 but I, is he enough? Yeah. You know, I had a discussion with Sean Trendy, who's our senior

00:57:17.500 elections analyst, and he's one of the smartest guys, you know, in the country on politics. And we

00:57:21.780 were talking about this and he was saying, you know, he doesn't buy that. It's, you know, the,

00:57:25.520 the, the hardcore voters are going to vote, you know, whether they vote early, whether they vote

00:57:30.740 on election day, it's still a vote for the candidate. It's, it's really finding those marginal voters

00:57:35.340 and chasing down those marginal voters that is going to end up making the difference in these

00:57:40.600 states. But just to go back to the polling for a second, Megan, because I think it is important.

00:57:44.740 I mean, we just, we just did a video. It's called a real clear quick take, and you can go find it on,

00:57:49.800 on social media where we analyzed the 2016 and the 2020 by state in these seven battleground states,

00:57:57.720 how badly the pollsters undercounted Trump's vote in 2016 and 2020. And it was obviously worse in

00:58:04.140 Wisconsin. They missed by seven points in 2016, and then six points in, in 2020. So on average,

00:58:11.260 about six and a half points over the last two cycles, Kamala Harris is up 1.4 in Wisconsin right

00:58:15.740 now. So if they do, in fact, get it wrong by this, by the way, the same amount they have averaged

00:58:21.160 over the last two cycles, Trump would be ahead in Wisconsin. And you go down these, you go down

00:58:25.840 these states like Arizona and Georgia, for example, in 2016, 2020, those were the two most accurate

00:58:31.320 states. Pollsters hit, hit them within half a percentage point. And right now, Trump's got a

00:58:36.060 1% lead in Arizona. And Kamala Harris has a one 10th of 1% lead in Georgia. So, you know, you just

00:58:43.920 go and look at these, you look at how close these states are, and then you look at, you know, past

00:58:48.940 performance of these pollsters. And then you also look at the national average, right? Hillary Clinton

00:58:53.160 won by 2.1% and lost that election in the battleground states. Joe Biden won by 4.5% the

00:59:01.280 national popular vote and just barely won. So, you know, Kamala Harris right now is at two points

00:59:06.420 in our national average, two and a half points in the five-way race. So she's on the lower end of

00:59:10.940 that range where if that's, if the polls were actually accurate, she would probably be come up

00:59:17.960 short in these battleground states. If she can move that nationally to three, four or five points,

00:59:21.980 then you're looking at a situation where she should be comfortably enough ahead in enough

00:59:27.040 battleground states to win this election. But right now, it is absolutely a jump ball,

00:59:31.260 in my opinion, when you look at these numbers. It's almost like when you go to the doctor and

00:59:35.440 they take your temperature and you're like, what are you doing? I have a stomach ache. Why are you

00:59:39.380 taking my temperature? It's like, well, if your temperature is high, it tells me something's

00:59:43.080 wrong with you on the inside. If your temperature is normal, it tells me something else about what's

00:59:46.960 happening. And the national vote is like the temperature. Like it doesn't tell us what the actual

00:59:51.680 thing is, but it gives us a clue as to how things are going. And she needs to get those numbers up

00:59:57.540 in the national vote for us to believe she's going to carry the swing states. That's, and that's what

01:00:02.460 she's been saying. You know, that it's going to be tight. We need to win. We need to win by a lot.

01:00:06.220 Then they will have a strong get out the vote operation. Here's Steve Kornacki the other day,

01:00:10.740 talking about how Democrats feeling good about seeing those numbers. I just ticked off with you guys

01:00:15.500 showing, you know, Harris up more than Trump. And some of these states need to need to take a breath

01:00:20.020 and take a beat. If you take a look at the paths, the easiest path for each candidate, we'll start

01:00:26.000 with Kamala Harris. All of the state polling is very tight, but the best polling, relatively speaking,

01:00:33.200 for Harris and the Democrats has been in, talk about them all the time, these great lake states,

01:00:37.580 big 10 states, whatever you want to call them, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Now, if Harris

01:00:42.740 could win those three states, just for the sake of argument, turn them blue there, exactly 270

01:00:49.180 electoral votes for her. Now, if she slips up, Pennsylvania in particular is one Republicans of

01:00:55.120 these three think they have a good shot at here. Let's say she were to slip up, Harris did, and lost

01:01:00.200 Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is the biggest of all the swing states, 19 electoral votes. Harris would have

01:01:06.120 to compensate by winning at least two from the Sun Belt here. And for Trump's easiest path quickly here,

01:01:11.800 it's to get Pennsylvania, it's to hold North Carolina like he did in 20, and it's to win back Georgia,

01:01:18.000 which he very narrowly lost. That would get him to exactly the magic number.

01:01:23.940 Wow. It's when you see that, you start thinking, Andrew, why did she go with her emotional support

01:01:32.420 governor? Why didn't she pick Josh Shapiro?

01:01:36.040 I think that will be a real question that will be asked the day after the election. And we'll know

01:01:42.840 then whether it was a good choice or a bad choice. But there certainly is a lot of people or are a lot

01:01:48.200 of people who think that Josh Shapiro might have been the wiser choice, because I personally feel

01:01:53.260 that Pennsylvania is going is the most important state. Everyone else is saying it as well. But

01:01:57.660 one thing I'm looking at is McCormick, the Senate race there, because McCormick is doing surprisingly well.

01:02:03.140 And that is another indicator. If McCormick does well, there may be some reverse coattails in

01:02:11.480 Pennsylvania. He wins the Senate race. That would be amazing, right? You guys have been talking about

01:02:16.060 it. No one's really talking about Pennsylvania. McCormick is a possible GOP pickup. That hasn't

01:02:21.080 really been at the front of the tongue. No, but Tom, you keep a better eye on the polls than I do. But

01:02:28.400 he's done well in the last two polls that I saw, at least. The CNN polls that just came out had that

01:02:32.860 race tied. And he has been, excuse me, he has been, you know, pounding Bob Casey with these ads,

01:02:40.160 basically of Kamala Harris, her own words, talking about wanting to ban fracking and the like. So

01:02:44.300 he's run a very, very smart campaign thus far, and it seems to be paying off. And he is doing better

01:02:49.860 than a lot of the other Republican Senate candidates around the country.

01:02:52.120 I hear a lot of talk about the Senate. And, you know, the analysis is basically that the

01:02:56.580 Republicans are going to get the West Virginia seat, that Joe Manchin is giving up, you know,

01:03:01.100 by retiring, and that they look good in Montana. Although, man, they're throwing everything they

01:03:06.180 can at that Republican right now, trying to say he doesn't like Native Americans and all this stuff

01:03:10.580 that, like, they're doing all their tricks to try to take him down. I own property in Montana. I think

01:03:15.720 he's going to win. I think the Republicans have got that one. We'll see. I could be wrong.

01:03:18.540 Um, but Pennsylvania, like, that would be huge. But here's my question. There's less talk about

01:03:25.180 the House. What? How? How's that looking? Because right now, people are starting to get a little

01:03:31.300 worried that we could have unified control over on the Democrat side if this doesn't go the way

01:03:37.020 the Republicans want. They could lose the House. They could lose. They could continue to stay out of

01:03:42.260 power in the Senate, and they could lose the White House. So how's the House looking?

01:03:45.360 Well, I, the general rule that I always think about at the House is that whoever wins the White

01:03:52.760 House will probably win the House. It's very hard to predict the House because there's so many

01:03:57.320 factors involved. But if Trump wins the White House, he'll probably win the Senate. If he wins

01:04:05.020 the White House in the Senate, I would say he's likely to win the House as well. We'll see. But I just

01:04:10.880 came back to the Senate for a second. There is a scenario that Larry Hogan pulls it out in Maryland.

01:04:18.040 Oh, wow.

01:04:19.120 And then, I mean, this would be someone's dream scenario, that Larry Hogan is sort of the controlling

01:04:25.200 vote in the Senate.

01:04:27.680 That's not Trump's dream scenario.

01:04:29.400 Not Trump's dream scenario. But it would certainly be, it'd be a lot of fun to see

01:04:34.880 someone like Hogan have that much power in the Senate right now. He would be the Joe Manchin

01:04:40.360 of the next decade or so. So anyway, but I'm not sure I helped you on the House there, but

01:04:47.540 that's what I think. Whoever wins the presidency will take the House.

01:04:52.980 Go ahead, Carl.

01:04:53.440 Well, there's always a Senate race that we didn't see coming. And Andy said it might be Larry Hogan

01:05:01.120 in Maryland. It might be in Ohio. Sherrod Brown is well-liked there. He's sort of pulled a Joe

01:05:06.100 Manchin. He's kept his popularity up while the state's become increasingly Republican. But, you know,

01:05:12.020 if you had a scenario where Donald Trump did better than we think in some of these polls and ran up

01:05:18.360 these numbers in the Republican states, Sherrod Brown, Ohio might be in play as well.

01:05:23.440 Hmm. I mean, it's, it's so crazy how much could change after this election. If one of the,

01:05:31.440 the nation's so divided, like they said, knife fight in a phone booth. And yet we could wind up

01:05:36.840 giving total power to one side or the other, which I'm just going to say as a news woman has me saying,

01:05:44.680 I will not be planning any vacations for right after November 5th. You know, you guys shouldn't

01:05:50.060 either. We don't know what's going to happen even after the vote is in and counted.

01:05:55.540 Well, Megan, there's some evidence that the voters like divided government. They don't quite know how

01:06:00.540 to assure it. You know, you can't vote strategically that way. You get one vote and most of these states

01:06:05.500 are not even in play, but one, one party in control of all three, all three branches of government.

01:06:12.860 So it's, it's a little worrisome to swing voters. I don't, I don't know what, how they're, how they're

01:06:17.540 supposed to process that. How are they going to hedge against it? Go ahead, Tom.

01:06:21.200 I was just going to say not to be a Debbie Downer, but I do, you know, it looks like we're headed for,

01:06:25.480 you know, 2016 on steroids where, you know, we've already got the Russia interference stories

01:06:31.580 planted out there. And the, you know, I mean, uh, whoever loses is going to contest this election

01:06:37.700 and they're going to say it was stolen. There were fraudulent votes. There was voter suppression.

01:06:42.000 There was whatever, there will be lawsuits in all of these states, um, that will go on for weeks and

01:06:47.680 months. Mark Elias and the Democrats have already got lawyers on the ground in these states. I mean,

01:06:51.500 if it, if it does turn out to be as close as the polls suggest it is, and maybe it won't, but if it

01:06:58.380 does, um, we're going to be looking at, you know, sort of a rerun of 2016. It could be even worse

01:07:05.180 in a lot of these states. And obviously in an evenly divided country, that's, that's not going

01:07:09.660 to, uh, it's not going to be great. You know, I forgot to say this when we were discussing the

01:07:14.480 whole tenant media, Russian thing in our a block. So this doesn't directly involve you guys, but

01:07:19.000 they, they allege this is Russian influencing in our election that they're meddling in our election.

01:07:26.280 That's not what the indictment shows. The indictment shows meddling in our opinions about issues

01:07:31.540 in this country. You know, for example, who attacked Russia, was it Ukraine or was it ISIS?

01:07:37.740 There's not anything in this indictment that would suggest they were trying to actually influence

01:07:41.980 the election, though. I'm sure Russia would love to do that, but that's not in this indictment.

01:07:45.860 And this media organization for all of its, you know, news coverage in this indictment

01:07:50.760 and around this indictment got 16 million views on its YouTube channel, which is where it existed.

01:07:57.400 It's 16 million in 10 months. I mean, we got that last week. It's, it's, this is not a player

01:08:04.100 in the national conversation at all. Nobody even heard of these guys. So I, you know, we shouldn't

01:08:10.420 overstate the, the reach of this organization. Go ahead, Tom.

01:08:14.980 And yet you played the clip of Joe Scarborough. I mean, look, the left is going to use this. If Kamala

01:08:20.100 Harris loses the selection by a whisker, you can bet that there will be folks on the left that are going

01:08:25.640 to say that it was Russian meddling and that, that caused this. And, and conversely, if Trump loses

01:08:31.820 by a whisker on election night, you know, his folks will say it was stolen. There were, you know,

01:08:36.700 fraudulent votes here or there, whatever. So it's just, I'm, the only point I was trying to make is

01:08:40.860 just that we're, I think we're headed toward another really traumatic election and election aftermath

01:08:47.780 that may last, you know, weeks and months. But I think Megan, I think Megan, you make a really good

01:08:54.780 point, which is the fact that two things can be true. The Russians could be trying to meddle in

01:08:59.360 our election, uh, as the Chinese could, but, uh, the, their influence is so limited that it doesn't

01:09:06.420 really matter the way the left would like us to think it matters. Yeah. They're annoying and they

01:09:11.920 have a goal and they continue to try to pursue that goal, but this is a very big country. And it's,

01:09:17.420 I mean, it's very hard to actually influence an election. If your name is not Donald Trump or

01:09:23.960 Kamala Harris, it really is. I learned this when I was at Fox news and I would watch people with very

01:09:30.100 powerful voices, especially when I was younger, go out there and really try to make like the strongest

01:09:35.780 argument possible. And then we got Barack Obama anyway, right? It's like the, I think the

01:09:41.900 media personalities or outlets like to convince themselves that they really drive the national

01:09:47.600 conversation and they drive votes, but they don't, you can inform people. You can keep them better

01:09:52.460 informed about the news and that's a service, but to presume that you can actually influence them and

01:09:57.800 change a national vote. In my experience, just, it's not true. And it's certainly wouldn't be true

01:10:03.020 from some desk in Moscow where you're posing as Helena, trying to like edit random videos in some

01:10:10.520 no name news site. Nobody's ever clicked on, on use youtube.com guys. Thank you.

01:10:16.900 Thanks Megan. Thanks Betty. A pleasure as always. Okay. When we come back, our old pal Britt Mayer

01:10:23.000 joins us and a first time guest on this show. And there's plenty more to discuss. Don't go away.

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01:11:31.480 Joining me now for more on the wild ride that is the 2024 electoral cycle and some of the cultural

01:11:36.300 craziness going on today. Britt Mayer, founder of Rooted Wings and independent researcher and

01:11:42.240 analyst. And for the first time, Prager you personality, Xavier DeRusso. Great to have you

01:11:48.740 guys. Thanks for having me. Hey, Megan. All right. So at any point, did someone named Lauren Chen come

01:11:55.600 to you and ask you to work for her special channel? And if so, did you say no, thank you. That was the

01:12:04.460 right move. Isn't this the wildest story? It's so wild. I can clearly say on my honor, Lauren Chen never

01:12:11.760 came to me and offered me a position with tenants. So I'm, I'm clear I'm safe.

01:12:17.680 It's so annoying though, Xavier. I know that's how you pronounce it. Isn't it so annoying though,

01:12:22.280 because to our guest last point, this is going to be used like this one small operation is going to

01:12:28.940 be used by the left for the next several months, maybe even years as like, you see Russia, Russia,

01:12:35.760 Russia. It's like, okay, show me the video. They edited show me all the videos that, that changed

01:12:42.680 people's minds about this election in a profound way or at all, at all. That's not alleged even in

01:12:48.720 the indictment. And yet, you know what the narrative will be. Oh yeah. We're never beating the Russia

01:12:53.720 allegations after this. And it's crazy because we can actually trace how infiltrated the left is with

01:12:59.400 China. I feel like all the energy that they are trying to put on us with Russia, we should be putting

01:13:03.360 right back to them with their comfortability, letting China just run rampant and our politics

01:13:07.980 and our society corrupting Gen Z and all the fentanyl that they're shoving over here. And nobody wants

01:13:14.580 to talk about that, but now we are all supposed to be held accountable because Russia apparently paid

01:13:20.560 a few people that they didn't even know they were being paid by Russia. So I'm not too concerned about

01:13:26.040 it. I'm hoping that the left doesn't make much room with this, especially after losing so much

01:13:30.520 credibility. The last time they tried to overexpose the Russia issue, but we'll see what ends up

01:13:35.400 happening. Well, I mean, that's a good point because you've got Max Boot of the Washington

01:13:40.340 Post. His wife got indicted for being a Chinese agent. I mean, he writes for the Washington Post.

01:13:45.180 The Washington Post has barely covered this. This week you have Kathy Hochul, the governor of New York,

01:13:50.640 her deputy chief of staff, and the same thing exposed. And I believe indicted as an agent of the

01:13:57.660 Chinese government. You've got Iran trying to hack into Trump's campaign successfully,

01:14:02.540 they said, through Roger Stone's email account, which they hacked, and possibly also Kamala Harris's

01:14:07.600 to try to interfere with our election. There's a lot of people, a lot of bad actors out there that

01:14:11.960 would like to interfere with American elections. It's just one country, Britt, that gets all of the

01:14:18.720 ink because it reaffirms the priors of the people who buy ink by the barrel in this country.

01:14:25.340 Yeah. The game is if they repeat it long enough, if they tweet it enough times, then the public

01:14:33.240 scoops it up and believes it. So they are going to run with this. They're going to run with it all

01:14:37.640 the way through January. It's going to be Russian interference, Russian collusion. I am guessing

01:14:42.660 the story is going to only grow because they're going, this is their linchpin. This is what they

01:14:47.300 are going to cling to, to prove that once again, Russia, Russia, Russia. It's what was the Brady

01:14:54.420 Bunch? What was the Margaret? Marsha, Marsha, Marsha. That was before your time, but I lived there.

01:15:00.000 Russia, Russia, Russia. I mean, that's the game. It's lazy, it's boring, but it works. So I think

01:15:06.120 we should all be prepared to hear a lot more of it. Max Boot's wife was an agent for South Korea,

01:15:13.180 so just correcting myself. But I mean, you know, we've got so much Chinese spying, I can't keep

01:15:16.520 track of it all. Okay. So let's talk about, does this, do any of these issues filter down,

01:15:22.240 do you think? Like what's driving the Gen Z vote right now, Xavier? Because there's a real question

01:15:27.900 about what's going to happen with the youth vote. The Democrats usually get very excited about it,

01:15:31.640 and it almost never turns out for them. And right now, if you look at the youth vote,

01:15:36.020 more and more young men are pro-Trump and young women, because single women across the country

01:15:42.340 are pro-Harris by some like 72% of single women are pro-Harris. So what do you think is going to

01:15:48.080 happen with them? You know, I think there's two drastic sides of that. You have the social side,

01:15:53.060 and then you have the fiscal side. Socially, you know, young people are inherently rebellious. We

01:15:57.420 don't like being told what to do, what to think, and all of that. And for years now, being a part

01:16:01.620 of Gen Z, we have been hammered down, being told, oh, you are not allowed to ask too many questions.

01:16:06.660 You're not allowed to support Trump. You're not allowed to support these policies. You can't have

01:16:10.500 conservative ideology. And how dare you even question the notion that you're supposed to address

01:16:15.940 yourself by your preferred pronouns every time you have a conversation. Gen Z is sick of that.

01:16:21.580 So we have been rebelling against that. And that's why you see so many prominent Gen Z

01:16:25.740 influencers and media personalities who are coming out and speaking against that entire narrative and

01:16:32.140 are being more unapologetic in their belief systems. And then also asking the questions of,

01:16:36.660 am I supposed to be comfortable with the fact that nobody can afford a home? The fact that there are

01:16:41.940 illegal immigrants creating so much crime in our cities that our border is wide open,

01:16:47.240 we're being told for, we've been told for way too long that we're not allowed to question that.

01:16:51.960 And now that has, it's the Barbra Streisand effect. By trying to take our attention away from the

01:16:57.280 issues that matter most to us, it has made us hyper-focused on these issues. And it's waking

01:17:01.520 a lot of members of Gen Z up. Okay. Britt, on the subject of illegal immigration,

01:17:07.240 I know this is a cause near and dear to your own heart, living in California and the People's

01:17:11.200 Republic. And we actually this week saw Kamala Harris release an ad describing herself as somehow

01:17:20.220 pro-tough border enforcement. And in that ad, she uses imagery of Trump's border wall.

01:17:28.360 She wants us to believe she's pro-wall now. Here, it's a quick clip, but look at this.

01:17:36.860 As a border state prosecutor, she took on drug cartels and jailed gang members for smuggling

01:17:42.600 weapons and drugs across the border. Okay. She's all over the record as calling this

01:17:50.740 Trump's vanity project, saying it's utterly useless, making clear in no uncertain terms how

01:17:56.620 against it she is. And now she's strolling up. I said this the other day, like the thumbs in the

01:18:01.980 belt loops, like I'm here and I'm ready to take on that border. Like a John Wayne, you know, cowboy,

01:18:08.000 I'm going to get them all. It's such nonsense, but that's the messaging they're going with.

01:18:13.300 I'm just laughing, picturing her actually using the John Wayne accent since she, you know,

01:18:17.800 she picks up a different accent wherever she goes. So I pictured it when you did that. I could,

01:18:22.360 I could hear it in my ear. Okay. So what we're seeing is the, the obvious recreation of Kamala

01:18:30.940 Harris. Now, the interesting thing is we have 20 years of receipts on who Kamala Harris is. And she

01:18:37.600 started for my state. She started up in San Francisco, then DA of California. And so when you

01:18:43.160 go back to her early policies in 2004, when she was the DA in San Francisco, she was championing

01:18:48.920 sanctuary cities. She has always been for open borders that bring in illegal foreigners that we

01:18:55.980 then give sanctuary status to. And then they don't stay in California. We ship them to neighborhoods

01:19:01.500 all over the United States. So for her to now say, Oh, look at me, I'm tough on the border. Well,

01:19:07.620 your 20 years of receipts and track record says that you've completely failed at the border to the

01:19:12.540 point of where in San Diego right now, our account, but just from October is that I think we're

01:19:18.260 over 253,000 illegal foreigners coming in through San Diego. So how is that being tough on the border?

01:19:27.300 She has been in office now for almost three and a half years. But on top of that, where we've seen

01:19:33.400 millions of illegal foreigners come through her broken border, we have 20 years of history that

01:19:37.780 shows that she championed the exact policies that have now brought us to this place, but they are lying

01:19:44.040 liars and they push propaganda to make the public believe that she built that wall. She is tough on

01:19:52.360 border. She's not, she's not. When you actually dig in, you realize that she created the mess that we

01:19:58.040 are in right now. We just saw Britt, Nancy Pelosi saying what she really wants, uh, is to make all the

01:20:07.240 illegals documented. She wants them. She went on Bill Maher and made this very clear because they're

01:20:12.120 now pushing to help the illegals get homes there. They want the California taxpayers to help illegals

01:20:18.380 get homes, which correct me if I'm wrong, but that could be considered a magnet.

01:20:24.920 Absolutely a magnet. So California legislature in their psychotic pushing of bills that are aimed

01:20:31.560 against California citizens just passed. It's on, it's going to be on Newsom's desk yet until September

01:20:37.300 30th. And now to sign it, they passed, which means that our politicians agreed and said, yes, we think

01:20:44.220 this is a good legal idea to give illegal foreigners an opportunity to a $150,000 taxpayer paid. We paid for

01:20:54.020 it. It's our money, $150,000 loan that may never need to be paid back. It's the writing is so

01:21:01.080 ambiguous in this law. And here you have Nancy Pelosi asked about it on Bill Maher. And she goes

01:21:07.640 so far to not only defend the $150,000 home loans for illegal foreigners, and we can't even afford

01:21:13.540 homes in California as Californian citizens, but she goes on to not only defend that, but then she says,

01:21:20.060 you know, I think that all these undocumented should be documented. That literally saying the quiet part

01:21:26.980 out loud. This is how deranged California is. And we spit out insane politicians like Kamala Harris, who is now

01:21:34.460 championing herself as something that she, she never was. She'll California, the United States.

01:21:40.800 She sent out the tweet in 2017 saying there, there's no such thing as an illegal, undocumented

01:21:46.100 person. She doesn't believe that they've committed any sort of a crime. And indeed there is such a thing. Um, she

01:21:52.760 doesn't, I guess, know that the law does not allow unauthorized entry. And if you cross that border

01:21:59.280 without permission and conscious caught waltz into the country and try to stay here, you have committed

01:22:04.520 a crime on the subject of her fakeness, Xavier. She does do, I haven't heard the John Wayne yet,

01:22:10.820 but she has been busting out the accent depending on who she's talking to. We cut these soundbites the

01:22:17.120 other day and played them. Uh, and it sounds very different, right? She's front of a largely black audience in

01:22:21.500 Detroit and she's got, she's dropping the R's at the end of her words. And then she goes to

01:22:26.160 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and she sounds like her normal self. Again, here are two examples with

01:22:30.980 those butted soundbites showing the difference. Let's just get through the next 64 days.

01:22:36.460 So friends, 64 days until the most election of our lives. You better thank a union member

01:22:47.580 for sick leave. You better thank a union member for paid leave. You better thank a union member for

01:23:00.780 vacation time. You may not be a union member, but thank unions for the five day work week.

01:23:10.180 Oh my God. I have secondhand embarrassment. For the eight hour work day.

01:23:19.160 Thank unions for sick leave and paid family leave and vacation time.

01:23:27.840 What do you make of it?

01:23:29.760 You know, I've never seen someone rebrand in every single room quite as well as Kamala Harris. She is

01:23:36.180 going to change her dialogue, her accent, her backstory. It's all going to cater to who she's

01:23:41.460 trying to pander to that day. And I don't know why she thinks that works. We don't care at this

01:23:46.860 point what you sound like or what your accent is sounding like. We don't need to hear your black

01:23:51.300 scent, quote unquote. We want to know what you're going to do for our economy. We want to know what

01:23:56.140 you are going to do to actually turn our country around. But instead, you want to try to act like this

01:24:01.360 sister girl, auntie Kamala and talk about how you're cooking collard greens like it is insulting

01:24:08.500 to us at this point. I feel like America has moved far beyond being tolerant of all of this pandering,

01:24:15.260 especially after the whole Hillary Clinton debacle, because it reminds me of when Hillary was saying

01:24:19.280 she has hot sauce in her bag because all of a sudden she's this huge Beyonce fan. It's mortifying.

01:24:25.080 It's and she's a chameleon and it reflects in her lack of but really the policies that she claims to

01:24:30.060 stand behind. Every time she's in a different room, she seems to have a different set of values

01:24:33.760 and that is continuously exposing itself, especially because Kamala Harris has social anxiety.

01:24:39.240 I don't think enough people have broken that down. Kamala Harris, if you look at the reports,

01:24:43.260 because we all remember how she had over 90 percent staff turnover. And if you look at what

01:24:47.840 so many of her former staff members said about her is that she's extremely insecure. She would have

01:24:53.180 to do rehearsals anytime that there was a meeting or a dinner or she was supposed to be around

01:24:57.180 someone powerful. She had to do these rehearsals because she does not know who she is and she is

01:25:03.760 insecure. So what she does is she tries to pander and cater to the audience because she's so desperate

01:25:09.200 for people to like her. And throughout her entire career, that has never been the case because she's

01:25:13.520 a wildly unpopular, untalented politician. That's so interesting and well said because it's not just

01:25:20.300 her, but she's she's whatever her issue is, got anxiety or just anxiety that she's going to be

01:25:25.420 exposed as a know nothing. And then you've got her her running mate who he's just as scared as she is.

01:25:33.200 He also hasn't given any interviews. And I'm sure you saw this the other day, but somebody asked him

01:25:38.800 at the Minnesota State Fair. He was taking like fun questions about the fair and they asked him about

01:25:44.660 the American hostage and the Israeli hostages who were killed at the hands of Hamas. And he ran,

01:25:51.940 he ran like a chicken on the farm. Watch.

01:25:57.560 He heard it. He said, thanks, everybody. He turned and he got the heck out of there.

01:26:10.560 Only later did he then release a paper statement. It was a post on X acknowledging how awful that this

01:26:19.400 murder was of an American hostage, not to mention the five Israelis.

01:26:24.680 He he it's shameful. He is a shameful person. He is unfit to be in it. Holding public office

01:26:34.080 certainly is unfit to hold the office of vice president of the United States of America.

01:26:38.900 And it's the same thing that he did to the soldiers. He turned his back and left in a crisis

01:26:45.820 moment when he was most needed in that moment at the fair where he's talking about. I don't even know

01:26:50.340 he's talking about a chicken leg or something. Apparently, that, too, is Walls Harris's campaign.

01:26:55.680 Is there a cooking show, food show? That's what they talk about. They still have no policies on their

01:26:59.900 website. So he could not be interrupted to talk about a kid, an American citizen who had been held

01:27:07.320 hostage for one year by Hamas and was found brutally murdered with a bullet to the back of his head.

01:27:13.360 He couldn't be bothered. He wanted to go back to his soft serve. And so he waved him off just like

01:27:18.540 he did to the brothers that he left behind when they went to Afghanistan. He's deplorable and very

01:27:24.000 shameful. There's no courage. That's what's so telling about that clip, Xavier. It's he has he doesn't

01:27:29.640 have the courage to just stand up in the moment. I understand Kamala Harris is the chief messenger on the

01:27:34.300 Harris Walls ticket. However, as a human, you know exactly what to do in that moment. You say,

01:27:41.220 my God, it's awful. And I have nothing but empathy and sympathy in my heart for the families of the

01:27:47.180 victims. And I'm keeping them in my prayers today. And that's it. That's all you say. The fact that he

01:27:53.280 was too afraid to even say that shows how unsteady and fearful he is, just like his boss.

01:28:00.240 Absolutely. You couldn't have said it any better. Anyone that is has any kind of American pride or

01:28:06.440 really is just a human being with any sense of emotion would know how to handle that type of

01:28:10.900 situation. But he runs away like a coward because he had to go and get a talking point approved by the

01:28:16.320 administration. And it shows how afraid these people are to stand on any sort of principle or

01:28:22.980 any foundation of values. I am so happy that Trump is going and doing these live interviews and going on

01:28:28.700 like he was just on the Lex Friedman podcast. And he is off the cuff. He's being genuine. He's

01:28:33.780 communicating for over an hour. And I guarantee he didn't have an insane amount of prep because these

01:28:38.880 are principles that he actually stands on. He's able to answer questions. Kamala and Tim Waltz,

01:28:44.220 they cannot answer questions. They can't show remorse for American citizens that are dying because

01:28:50.460 they're afraid that they're going to make the free Palestine, must-see terrorist crowd mad.

01:28:54.920 These people are cowardly. They have no core principles. And I don't know how more Americans

01:28:59.660 aren't seeing through that. If you don't stand for anything, you will fall for everything.

01:29:03.300 And that's exactly what America will do if we have four more years of Kamala Harris in office.

01:29:08.360 You know, the Lex Friedman interview is brave of Trump. This is a very smart guy. Trump's smart too,

01:29:14.180 but you just don't know where he's going to go. Sitting down with somebody who doesn't do nothing but

01:29:18.820 politics all day subjects you to like, oh, it could go anywhere. Same with Theo Vaughn.

01:29:23.200 And here is it just a little bit of how it went when he sat with Lex.

01:29:27.480 There's a lot of people listening to this, myself included, that doesn't think that Kamala is a

01:29:33.920 communist. Well, she's a Marxist. Her father's a Marxist. That's right. And she's advocating for-

01:29:40.440 It's a little unusual. Yeah. She's advocating for some policies that are towards the direction of

01:29:45.880 democratic socialism, let's say. But there's a lot of people that kind of know the way government

01:29:50.780 works. And they say, well, none of those policies are going to actually come to reality.

01:29:55.940 It could come to reality. Look, I mean, she came out with price control. It's been tried like 121

01:30:01.260 different times at different places over the years. And it's never worked once. It leads to

01:30:06.920 communism. It leads to socialism. It leads to having no food on the shelves. And it leads to tremendous

01:30:14.280 inflation. Pretty good. Gosh, dang. Trump is so good. He's so good. You could not put Kamala in

01:30:23.260 a seat like that, unscripted for over, you know, 10 minutes. Trump's sitting for hours. Didn't he just

01:30:30.480 do a live stream with another? I'm not into the whole live stream. Sean Ryan. Yes.

01:30:34.900 You know what that tells me? It tells me that Trump is real, that he knows who he is. If he's willing

01:30:44.040 to sit in a chair, unscripted for an hour with someone who's going to throw any random Gen Z

01:30:49.980 question at him, and he is fully prepared to just sit there and be who he is, it shows me that he

01:30:56.580 knows who he is. I don't think Kamala Harris knows who she really is. I think that there are handlers

01:31:02.580 behind her who have propped her up for 20 years, the same with walls. And that makes me incredibly

01:31:08.700 nervous to have a leader who does not know who they are and relies on the outsiders who handle

01:31:14.720 them. Speaking of he knows who he is. Okay. I've got to get this in. I knew you were coming and we

01:31:19.880 had to do a little culture because we haven't done any culture at all on the show for a long time.

01:31:23.620 This has been all politics. It's time. Bring it. It's time. Can we please talk about the bachelor

01:31:28.440 contestant who now says he's a woman, which we all know on this show is not possible, sir.

01:31:36.680 He is claiming that he's a woman, but some believe it's all a big troll. Okay. He has full body tattoos,

01:31:45.000 which he shows off. He has short hair, like man hair. He has facial hair. Look at this. Look at this

01:31:50.940 guy. It's unbelievable what they can call a woman these days. Josh Sider, 37, former Bachelorette star.

01:31:58.000 He was on season 11 of the TV show in 2015 from Chicago. And as of this past May claims,

01:32:04.260 he's a transgender woman. If you just substitute fake for trans, you can follow. He said he's a

01:32:10.520 trans woman, which means he's fake. And he now has revealed he's not on hormone medication and is

01:32:17.400 unsure if he will get surgery, but we're supposed to be treating him like he's a woman. Here's a little

01:32:25.420 bit of him talking about the dangerous situations he's faced now that, now that he's one of us,

01:32:32.060 Brett. It's not 34. Hi everyone. I just wanted to talk today about being aware of dangerous

01:32:38.620 situations that women can often find themselves in. Now that I'm a woman, I'm always aware of what's

01:32:45.820 going on around me and when my guard needs to go up. Um, the other day I was working out and a man

01:32:52.840 came up to me and he made a comment about my muscular physique and that just sent shock waves

01:33:00.700 through my body. Thinking back to when I used to want to look like a man and fit into heteronormative

01:33:07.920 expectations for my body. Um, and that's not good. See if I'm in a public space like a park where there's

01:33:16.560 lots of families, traditional families with kids and they're being overly touchy-feely with each other,

01:33:24.480 that can trigger my past trauma from childhood. Um, and I really have to be aware of putting myself into

01:33:31.760 situations like that. What? Brett, thoughts on that? Oh, you're coming to me hot. Okay. I saw it

01:33:41.740 and I, I fully like believed he believes he's a woman. And so I responded to it by just saying like,

01:33:49.800 this is, this is gross. And my guard is way up is what I said. And I actually posted his little video

01:33:57.620 onto my social media and right away people, it was so divided. People were coming in saying he's the

01:34:05.300 greatest troll on earth. And then other people were coming in saying, Oh my gosh, he is so deranged.

01:34:11.620 Like this is what he's pushing. It's so sad. What happened to him? I watched him when he was on the

01:34:16.680 bachelor. And then someone said something that I thought like it nails it. They said the fact that

01:34:22.800 people are torn on this underscores the insanity in modern society. We no longer know if insanity is

01:34:30.960 real or manufactured. And I thought that's it. That's exactly it. Because how is he any different

01:34:37.960 than Dylan Mulvaney? Dylan Mulvaney did his girls 360 days of girlhood, which could have been the

01:34:45.300 greatest troll on earth, but he was, he was serious. He really thought that he was spending his first year

01:34:51.120 as a girl. So how is it any different? It's, it is so detached from reality and so insane. And I think

01:34:57.120 that's the feature. It's not the bug. It's meant to completely confuse us. It's meant to make us

01:35:01.820 think, I don't even know what's real or what's not real anymore. So I can't say anything. And no,

01:35:06.780 we should, we should keep saying this is insane. It's insane. Whether he thinks that he really is a

01:35:11.960 woman or if he is trolling to show how insane it is, it is, it is insane. It's offensive. I keep

01:35:18.700 thinking back Xavier to the whole blackface discussion. It's like, okay, everyone always

01:35:24.860 knew, well, not always, but in recent history, everybody always knew that that minstrel show

01:35:28.820 blackface was a hard, no, very racist. But then some people said, well, you know, putting black

01:35:35.200 makeup on or Brown makeup to go out on Halloween, that could be something that's meant to honor

01:35:39.360 somebody that's not as offensive. How is this any different from minstrel show blackface?

01:35:46.980 The whole thing is designed to mock and diminish us. No actual trans person would look like that or

01:35:55.560 behave like that. He's making a mockery of women. And yet we're supposed to sell it. I don't give a

01:36:02.520 shit whether he's trolling or not. I don't think he is, but I, what do I know? I don't know this person

01:36:06.380 at all, but there's a totally different reaction from all those same leftists who like to lecture us

01:36:12.260 normally. So I actually have some insider information on this that I've never said publicly

01:36:17.480 because I've been trying to not give this too much attention, but Josh followed each other for about

01:36:23.720 two years. And I have seen his mental health struggles go up and down. Like one day he's super,

01:36:28.660 super pro Trump. The next day he's feeling like he wants to be liberal because he's, he's bisexual.

01:36:32.920 So he was kind of going back and forth, but I was following just for the plot because it was

01:36:36.380 entertaining and I'm a little messy. So a few months back, he posted this really cryptic message saying

01:36:41.700 goodbye. And I was concerned because I'm like, is he about to like attempt suicide or something?

01:36:45.400 So I messaged him just being like, Hey, just checking. Are you okay? Like,

01:36:48.580 please don't do anything drastic. And he told me that he was fine and that he would reach back out

01:36:53.240 to me in a few days. A few days later, he comes out as trans and told me that he was doing an

01:36:59.200 experiment to see or to showcase how the left is way more intolerant than the right. And he actually

01:37:05.860 asked me if I would be willing to be a part of his grand reveal. And I cannot verbally express

01:37:11.480 enough how quickly I close out of that DM because I do not want to be affiliated associated or

01:37:17.240 entertaining this because it is so disrespectful to women. And if anybody should be super mad about

01:37:22.280 it, it's the transgender community because he's making them look that much crazier, which I didn't

01:37:27.100 think was possible after Dylan Mulvaney, but all of this it's, it's a facade, but I will say with his

01:37:32.920 mental health issues that were preexisting, it does seem like a combination of trolling and reality

01:37:37.680 because I do believe this a hundred percent started as trolling. But then at some point,

01:37:41.800 I feel like the attention he was getting gave him the validation that he was missing because he's

01:37:45.960 always looking for attention. And now I think he's going to eventually reveal that he's never been

01:37:51.860 planning to transition, but I do think he is soaking up the embrace he's getting from the woke left

01:37:57.680 because he, he should know good and well by now, no one on the right is going to entertain that

01:38:01.980 insanity. No. Oh my gosh, Brit, that plot twist. Plot twist. Now we know we have it here on good

01:38:09.920 authority. I have the receipt. All right. I've got 40 seconds left Brit in that time. There is a

01:38:16.540 pregnant Mrs. America contestant. She made it into the top six. What do you think of it as a former

01:38:23.640 pageant queen? I know I'm so proud of her and I'm, I'm happy to see womanhood celebrated in this way.

01:38:31.500 You know, womanhood can be shown in showcased in so many different ways, but I love that we have

01:38:36.580 a pregnant mama. Who's a Mrs. America competing on the stage and just doing her thing with a big

01:38:44.220 old baby bump. I love it. It gives me a good feeling. I love it. I agree. There's probably a

01:38:48.600 different, you know, chapter of our history where she would have felt pressure to drop out or not have

01:38:54.640 that baby and to have made this choice and parade your baby bump proudly, uh, reminds us that's

01:39:01.120 actually there's nothing more beautiful. Great to see you both. You guys, thank you so much.

01:39:05.320 Thank you, Megan.

01:39:06.320 What a show. I'm exhausted. Are you exhausted from listening? My God. I hope you enjoyed it.

01:39:13.100 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - September 05, 2024

Truth About Media Indictment, and Harris Still Complaining About Debate Rule, with Joel Pollak, Dave Aronberg, Xavier Durousseau, Britt Mayer, and RCP ｜ Ep. 880

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