The Megyn Kelly Show - Truth About Shooting in Minneapolis, and Shock Anti-ICE Network Details, w⧸ James O'Keefe, Dave Aronberg, and Andrew Branca ｜ Ep. 1238

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00:01:30.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:36.060 Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. We begin with the shooting of

00:01:46.620 a 37-year-old man in Minneapolis and what President Trump should do about it. I mean,

00:01:51.400 what he should do about his mission, his ongoing mission and the country's to rid the United States

00:01:58.040 of criminal illegal aliens, which is exactly what he was elected to do. He was elected with majority

00:02:04.060 support to get rid of all the illegals here, all of them. The country was united, at least a majority 1.00

00:02:11.280 of it was, in getting rid of the illegals who are here, never mind the worst, the worst ones, 0.98

00:02:17.340 the ones who have committed additional crimes. Of course, everyone, the majority, was united in that.

00:02:23.480 And that's what he's been trying to do. And he has gone city after city trying to do it

00:02:26.860 with very little problems, except in Minneapolis, where he has a true insurrection at hand. I mean,

00:02:33.380 he does. He has an insurrection at hand. And it's evident in the streets there day after day after

00:02:37.840 day. And the question is, what do we do about it? On Saturday, a 37-year-old man, Alex Preddy,

00:02:43.660 was shot by Border Patrol agents there after a confrontation. Alex Preddy was there being

00:02:50.700 subversive. He was there trying to interfere with the traffic, trying to direct traffic into an ICE

00:02:56.240 operation from the look of it. He was not there to help. He was not there to assist law enforcement

00:03:01.080 or make things easier for them. He was there with a loaded gun looking to cause trouble for the Border

00:03:08.060 Patrol agents. And that trouble came back on him. We'll get into the specifics and the frame by frame

00:03:13.540 and all of that in a minute. But I just want to say, like, I don't personally, I'm so sick of this

00:03:18.140 bullshit. I like these are organized agitators who train to disrupt and in some cases hurt law

00:03:26.940 enforcement. They go out there looking for confrontations that they can make go viral on their

00:03:32.980 social media or that they can use as propaganda to turn people against the good guys, the ones who

00:03:39.320 are trying to rid us of the scourge of child molesting illegals. That's what they want to do. 1.00

00:03:45.260 They want to paint themselves as noble and the ICE or the Border Patrol agents as awful and get some sort

00:03:51.180 of confrontation on camera or something that'll make them look silly or bad or brutal. And then

00:03:57.300 when things turn actually bad and brutal and dangerous, and in the case of Renee Good and now

00:04:04.140 this Alex Pretty, all of their remaining enablers rush to social media and the cameras to say,

00:04:11.380 you see, see, we told you. No, no. Even if I, Megan Kelly, went to interrupt law enforcement

00:04:20.220 conducting lawful arrests and law enforcement operations with a loaded gun, it tucked into the

00:04:26.800 back of my pants, and then I engaged in a physical confrontation with them, physical, where I'm

00:04:32.720 shoving and they're shoving, I'd be in grave danger, grave danger. Yes, the gun is definitely going to amp

00:04:40.260 up the police officer's reasonable fear for their own safety, but even without me having a gun in this

00:04:45.980 scenario, I'd be in grave danger because resisting arrest can lead to very bad things.

00:04:51.260 Just ask George Floyd. Like, you don't do it. Bad things can come. You don't resist arrest. You

00:04:58.960 don't antagonize cops in the middle of the street in a law enforcement operation, and then when they've

00:05:03.860 got hands on you trying to place you under arrest, you submit. That's it. Submit. Haven't we all had

00:05:11.520 this conversation with our children? I've told my boys and my daughter this, my husband too. We've

00:05:15.700 all talked to our kids about it, and I know some, you know, back during BLM, they wanted to say only

00:05:19.560 black people have this conversation with their kids. Bullshit. Every normal parent tells their 0.99

00:05:24.740 children, if you get pulled over by a cop or find yourself interacting with a cop, you submit. If they

00:05:31.960 are being a prick, a racist, a bully, overbearing, if they're wrong, if they don't actually have the 0.76

00:05:38.820 right person, we will deal with it later. Because you don't antagonize a law officer

00:05:46.140 with a gun. It's just, they face too many threats that are deadly to them. We have to

00:05:52.560 be the ones to be extra careful about not antagonizing. We do. Especially in Minnesota,

00:06:00.200 in Minneapolis, because of what they're doing to the Border Patrol and the ICE there. I'm sorry,

00:06:04.640 but there's actually a greater, ironically, responsibility on those protesters, they're

00:06:09.460 terrorists in my view, to behave well and submit immediately than there is on anybody else because

00:06:16.100 they have put these guys on the razor's edge. I mean, as Alex Preddy is getting shot,

00:06:25.780 an ICE officer was getting elsewhere in Minnesota, his finger bitten off by one of these terrorists.

00:06:32.880 Like, I know I'm supposed to feel sorry for Alex Preddy, but I don't. I don't. Do you know why I

00:06:41.380 wasn't shot by Border Patrol this weekend? Because I kept my ass inside and out of their operations.

00:06:48.680 It's very simple. If I felt strongly enough about something the government was doing that I would go

00:06:54.240 out and protest, I would do it peacefully on the sidewalk without interfering via a whistle,

00:06:59.840 via shouting, via my body, via any other way. I would make my objections known by standing there

00:07:06.340 without interfering because interfering is where you go south. And laying hands on a police officer

00:07:14.460 trying to, or Border Patrol officer or ICE officer trying to conduct a law enforcement operation is a

00:07:19.740 felony. And now you are going to get arrested. And if you do anything, anything that resembles

00:07:25.580 resisting, you're in serious trouble. It doesn't give them the quote, right to shoot you. It amps up

00:07:34.860 the situation and the danger such that they may be found in reasonable fear of their safety if they do.

00:07:41.960 I sent out, I sent out, I sent out a, a post on X over the weekend saying, you know, maybe it's time

00:07:49.880 for President Trump to just pull ICE out of Minnesota. Pull them. Not, not as a cave to these

00:07:56.120 lunatics, but to teach them a lesson. Let's pull all of ICE and all of Border Patrol and then say, you know

00:08:04.920 what world, there's going to be zero federal immigration enforcement anywhere in this state.

00:08:11.200 In fact, if you're a criminal, illegal alien anywhere in the United States, here's your

00:08:16.380 invitation to move to Minnesota, where we are telling you, you will be safe. You will be safe

00:08:22.280 there from federal immigration officials to commit crimes, no matter how destructive or disgusting it may

00:08:28.000 be. Go ahead. Have at it. Have at the people of Minnesota. I'm sorry. If you're a Republican,

00:08:33.420 you're going to have to leave. You're going to have to get out. I know it's inconvenient. I had to

00:08:37.580 do it. Look, we fled New York. We had to, had to do it for the good of our, our kids. We went to a blue

00:08:42.880 state, Connecticut, which is a little bit more purple in certain pockets. Um, but I'm sorry, you're,

00:08:50.020 you're, you've chosen to live in a state that is just too insane. And honestly, like we,

00:08:56.620 all the illegals should go there and we should also tell me you could set up a fraudulent business 0.97

00:09:00.760 there and it will flourish unchecked with the help of Minnesota taxpayers, not federal. Cause we're

00:09:05.180 going to have to find a way to cut off federal taxpayer money to Minnesota. That's obvious. Um,

00:09:10.040 they're basically seceding from the union and also every single asylum seeker in the USA. Trump has

00:09:16.440 done a good job of shutting down asylum seekers because it was just so abused under Biden. But let's

00:09:20.620 say we reopen that spigot or we allow some to pursue it. Every single one must live in 0.96

00:09:26.420 Minnesota. If they want to apply for asylum, we are not considering any asylum applications

00:09:30.380 that come from anybody from a state other than Minnesota. Let's get them all into Minneapolis 0.98

00:09:36.840 and St. Paul. Get them all there. You love the illegals so much. Go there. Welcome them into 0.97

00:09:46.680 your community with the open arms you purport to have as they're being deported and shipped out.

00:09:51.280 I mean, as they're being shoved out, you're suddenly super welcoming. Okay. I mean, they're

00:09:57.500 committing forcible sodomy on children, but I guess that, you know, you'll just handle it. Maybe

00:10:03.200 you'll just give them a cup of chamomile tea and talk them out of their lawless ways. Good luck.

00:10:09.920 I honestly, like I'm, I'm tongue in cheek here, but I'm like something dramatic must be done.

00:10:14.940 Like if this is how it's going to go, if they don't want any help from the federal government,

00:10:19.740 who's, who's got sole responsibility for immigration enforcement, sole, the states have

00:10:24.980 none. It is up to president Trump to deport the illegals and to secure the border. If they don't 0.96

00:10:31.060 want anything to do with it, they don't want the feds doing their job, which is not for them to say.

00:10:34.480 I mean, it is, it is subversive, unlawful, and you could argue now insurrection-y what they're

00:10:41.480 doing. Maybe the answer is, okay. Okay. Have them. Remember when Texas governor Greg Abbott,

00:10:52.600 Florida governor Ron DeSantis shipped the illegals who had been crossing the border north to Chicago,

00:10:59.020 to New York, to Martha's vineyard, it changed everything. Changed the entire conversation.

00:11:05.220 All those rich progressives in Martha's vineyard couldn't get those illegals out of their island 1.00

00:11:08.740 fast enough. Remember? I mean, it was like literally less than 48 hours. Governor DeSantis sent 50,

00:11:16.260 50 of them to the island. Less than two days later, they'd been shipped off to mainland Massachusetts.

00:11:21.640 Remember? And then, and then somebody said, somebody was interviewed and said, oh, we missed them.

00:11:25.320 We're going to go visit them at the facility to which they've been shipped. Sure. Sure, Jan.

00:11:32.440 How'd those visits go? Probably lost. It's like, you know, adopting a hamster. You lost interest after

00:11:38.620 the first week, I'm sure. Honestly, but they felt the pain that previously only Texas had felt.

00:11:46.480 And maybe what we need to do is let Minneapolis, they love the illegals so much, let's ship them all 1.00

00:11:50.480 there. We've got detention facilities all over the country. Maybe they all need to be in Minneapolis

00:11:55.300 now. Sorry, they do. I'm sure we've got some federal land, some federal parks that we can fill

00:12:01.220 with ICE detention facilities. And then we can incentivize the other illegals. Maybe we'll tell 0.85

00:12:06.980 them we're going to implement E-Verify everywhere in the union, all 50 states except one, except one,

00:12:13.780 Minnesota. You can get a job there. You can work with the state government. Let's just create every

00:12:19.100 single incentive we can. I'm sorry for our normal people in Minnesota. I really am. I realize this is

00:12:23.600 completely F you over. You're going to have to move. You're going to have to get out. There are other

00:12:28.120 states that are also like Minnesota, like Michigan, but slightly less crazy. I, again, I'm tongue in

00:12:36.280 cheek, but I'm also genuinely trying to think of ways to respond to this other than just amping up

00:12:43.340 law enforcement, because the downside of amping up the law enforcement or actually invoking the

00:12:47.780 insurrection act, which many are saying it's time to do is president Trump is going down in the polls

00:12:53.480 day by day. As a result of all of this, the media has lost its mind. It's even more biased and

00:12:59.780 disgusting than normal. And it's doing its level best to completely tank Trump and all Republicans

00:13:04.780 on this. And it's working. It's working. The polls keep showing eroding, like rapidly eroding support

00:13:11.940 for president Trump's immigration efforts, which are completely noble and well-intended and the

00:13:18.220 right policy, but losing support because of the media, because of David Muir and others like him.

00:13:23.160 I was talking to my mom. My mom somehow fell over into watching ABC evening news. She started to sound 0.70

00:13:28.320 like a leftist. I said, mom, what the hell, what are you doing? So I've been, I've been out during the

00:13:32.700 day. So I've just been popping on David Muir at night. I said, mom, I insist that you stop that.

00:13:37.040 I insist. She said, oh, you know, if I just want like a half an hour update, like, no. Now she's

00:13:43.900 watching special report. If she needs to watch news in the six o'clock hour, she's getting back on

00:13:47.320 track. But this is like the, the manipulation of people, even people who should know better is

00:13:55.200 ubiquitous. It's ubiquitous. It's ABC. It's NBC. It's CBS. It's CNN. It's MSNBC. It's the New York

00:14:01.800 Times. It's the Washington Post. It's Chicago Tribune. It's the Minneapolis Star Tribune. It's

00:14:05.820 everywhere. It's everywhere. And so President Trump is losing on this issue. Don't kid yourself. I say

00:14:12.900 this as a supporter who doesn't want him to, but this is going to turn into an absolute bloodbath

00:14:17.120 come the midterms. I mean, we're talking about possibly using, losing Senate seats, losing the

00:14:20.820 Senate and control, Republican control. So something needs to be done. So do we, do we just invoke the

00:14:30.180 Insurrection Act and say we're tough and like F you and this is what we do? I mean, it's, I'd be

00:14:36.020 happy with it, but I have to think about the rest of the nation and I have to think about what's going

00:14:41.160 to play long-term. And I just don't know that sending the actual military there to, to keep

00:14:49.840 matters in hand is going to do it. And I also don't want to see law enforcement continue to risk their

00:14:53.900 lives. I mean, I honestly, like I'm really Renee good and Alex Petty. They died because of their

00:15:00.660 own terrible decision-making. That's that, that's the truth. Um, the rest of us are alive right now

00:15:07.380 because we didn't do that, but I'm worried about the ice agents. I'm worried about the border patrol

00:15:12.740 agents who actually are just trying to enforce the law. And it's just a matter of time before one of

00:15:17.440 them gets killed. You know, we've already seen several injuries. We've already seen them shot.

00:15:21.660 It's just a matter of time before one of them gets killed. On Sunday, vice president J.D. Vance

00:15:28.800 wrote on X quote, this level of engineered chaos is unique to Minneapolis. It's the direct consequence

00:15:34.340 of far left agitators working with local authorities. He's right. According to data collected by the

00:15:39.880 nonpartisan transactional records, access clearing house, ice arrests, um, and detains far more illegals

00:15:48.120 in Texas than any other state around 17,000 makes sense given its border state location. And NBC news

00:15:55.180 tracker finds there are around 1,700 detainees in Minnesota. Think of it, not 17,000, just 1,700 in

00:16:06.520 Minnesota, but all the attention in Minnesota right now. Why? Why? Reporters at Fox News reviewed a

00:16:15.060 sophisticated database of coordinated web chats by far left groups in Minneapolis. On Saturday, followers

00:16:22.020 were told to swarm glam doll donuts where this shooting of Alex Preddy just so happened to go down. In

00:16:31.180 minutes, we're going to be speaking with independent reporter James O'Keefe, who's in Minneapolis. He posted on

00:16:36.760 X over the weekend saying he's covered the cartels operating around the Southern border and beyond,

00:16:42.060 but even he is struck by how organized and evil these agitators in Minneapolis are. He said they

00:16:51.160 have spotters on most street corners, even 30 minutes outside of the downtown going into the suburbs. He said

00:16:58.940 there's an autonomous zone being set up like a no-go zone for law enforcement period. He went there and

00:17:05.560 said he identified himself as press and they said they will kill press. At one point, they patted

00:17:10.320 him down like they were the authorities, patted James O'Keefe down for weapons like they were the

00:17:15.260 authorities. We don't know if Alex Preddy was sent to that area specifically by these anti-ice agitators

00:17:22.160 or whether he was officially part of the group. But some on that street were because they had the

00:17:28.200 telltale signal of whistleblowing, which is their favorite thing. And by the way, that needs to stop.

00:17:32.520 Okay. Now some are saying that's fine. That actually is interference. You, if you came out

00:17:39.080 on your front lawn and just whistle blew a coach's whistle at the top of your lungs all day, you would

00:17:44.540 be cited by the police under the local noise ordinances. It would be a disturbance of the

00:17:49.160 peace. That's what these people are doing. And no doubt they contributed to the chaotic atmosphere

00:17:53.900 that ultimately led Alex Preddy to die on Saturday. The cops aren't a hundred percent at their best when

00:18:01.360 they can't hear anything. People are screaming in their ears and blowing whistles in their ears.

00:18:06.640 It increases the likelihood of a bad shoot. No doubt by now you've probably seen at least one of the

00:18:13.600 videos of the shooting on Saturday. We're going to walk you through some of the key ones. So you know

00:18:17.740 what we actually know. Not bullshit. It's very, very dangerous to go online right now. It's not

00:18:21.920 full of bullshit. Fucking AI everywhere. I mean, truly like you don't, there's so much AI out there

00:18:28.240 trying to show Alex Preddy with the gun in his hand, which did not happen. Or a police officer like 0.53

00:18:36.820 pointing it at Alex Preddy's head, which is not available on the tape. Be careful. Like now more

00:18:43.840 than ever go to a trusted news source. Keep it right here. We have a team of producers that goes

00:18:48.160 through all these videos. It's not that we're in, it's, it's impossible for us to make a mistake, but

00:18:52.600 we're honest and we have a whole team dedicated to not making them. If we make them, we'll correct them.

00:18:58.600 So there's still many unanswered questions about what happened. That's the truth.

00:19:02.460 For example, where, where exactly on Alex Preddy did the agents find the gun?

00:19:07.180 Why did DHS claim in its initial tweet that Preddy quote, wanted to do maximum damage and massacre

00:19:14.080 law enforcement? Right now you have reporting by Bill Malusian of Fox saying that's all bullshit.

00:19:20.540 And that internally, uh, ICE agents are, they've had it with Kristi Noem and DHS and these overstatements

00:19:29.120 about what happened. They don't want that. They want just state what happened. And they seem to be

00:19:33.300 saying that's all bullshit. There was no intent to massacre. We didn't see that. I think they're

00:19:38.540 ready to defend their guy, though. Many are saying it was a bad shoot off the record, you know, not,

00:19:43.060 not attributable, but, but a bad shoot doesn't mean that cops going to jail. It means it could

00:19:49.260 potentially mean he is, he made a mistake. Um, interpretations of what happened vary because

00:19:55.260 there were so many agents involved in the tussle with Preddy. So there's a body covering critical

00:20:00.200 angles from virtually every camera we have. The incident started with Preddy seen on camera,

00:20:05.720 holding his own cell phone, recording agents who DHS says were sent to the area to arrest an illegal

00:20:12.000 with a violent criminal history. Cool. That's what they should have been allowed to do.

00:20:17.000 DHS says that person remains at large this morning. I mean, not for nothing. Jesse Kelly's always saying

00:20:22.200 it's always the nurses, like you can take it to the bank. This is one of the groups that you're

00:20:25.780 going to see out there. Boy, things have changed. You know, my mom spent her life as a VA nurse.

00:20:30.400 She helped veterans. She helped with PTSD. She helped with mental health counseling. She helped with

00:20:35.580 drug addiction. Never in her wildest dreams would she consider going out there to impede law

00:20:40.340 enforcement in the evenings while she saved lives during the days. So, I mean, like it's great.

00:20:46.780 This guy spent his days helping veterans. He spent his evenings hurting a lot of them. A lot of vets

00:20:52.220 do join law enforcement for obvious reasons. And then he went back to the scene. So you hear whistles

00:20:58.260 going off as these two women yell at a border patrol agent. Again, they're there to arrest a criminal 0.99

00:21:04.160 illegal. And this is what the agitators do not want. They treat every single person who's about to get

00:21:09.360 arrested as though they're just some innocent little child. But I mean, in fact, over 70% of

00:21:14.960 those who ISIS nabbed in Minneapolis have been violent criminal illegals. Illegals who already 0.82

00:21:21.160 have a conviction for a violent felony or have been arrested for a violent felony. Criminal illegals

00:21:26.320 who are violent. Okay. But that they don't want that. They want to get in the face of those trying to do

00:21:31.640 the arrests here. It's border patrol, distract them, terrorize them, harass them, pollute them

00:21:38.080 with the noise pollution and the screaming and the yelling and the, and the, and the whistles.

00:21:42.720 And you'll hear some of that here. This video was obtained by DropSite News. Watch.

00:21:55.760 Sorry for the listening audience. It's deafening. This is what they have to deal with.

00:21:59.320 What the fuck? What the fuck is wrong with you?

00:22:15.560 Okay. What you're seeing there at one point, Alex Preddy was in the middle of the road.

00:22:22.260 They said that he was directing traffic and there were reports that he was directing traffic,

00:22:25.560 like right in the way of ice. He did not, it wasn't like, oh, let me be a good Samaritan.

00:22:29.540 This is what we've, we've been told, but that he was agitating. In any event, he was doing something

00:22:35.760 with the traffic. That much is definitely clear. And then he approaches the woman and the border

00:22:41.780 patrol agent. In this next video, you're going to see the agent shove one of the women and use a 0.85

00:22:48.220 chemical irritant as he tries to get these two women and Alex Preddy off of the road.

00:22:55.560 At one point, the agent yells, get back. Watch.

00:23:04.400 A woman's been shoved to the ground. Alex Preddy now is in between that woman and the border patrol.

00:23:10.380 The whistles nonstop fucking agitators. There's a scuffle now unfolding.

00:23:16.280 And somebody doing running commentary, which is not helpful. She's doing more harm than good. That 1.00

00:23:24.280 woman, what the fuck is wrong with you? Honestly, she's endangering Alex Preddy and everybody else 0.88

00:23:28.760 there. Why would you try to obscure the clear hearing of the border patrol agents making the

00:23:34.040 arrest? What kind of risks do you think you are creating, madam? Now we saw in that video for the

00:23:40.500 listening audience that Preddy's now in a scuffle with some six agents surrounding him. Now, what does

00:23:45.560 the reasonable person do? What do they do? They say, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I surrender.

00:23:50.720 I surrender. I surrender. That's what they say. I didn't hear any of that on the tape. Did not hear

00:23:56.100 any of that. Amid the chaos, you do hear one agent say he's got a gun or gun several times. It is

00:24:04.620 important to point out before the agent says that we do not see any officer with their guns drawn,

00:24:11.680 not one. It was not until after the one agent yelled, he's got a gun that we do see the others

00:24:18.900 draw their guns. After hearing the warning, at least one other officer, one officer grabs his own

00:24:27.780 gun from his side holster. We count two to three seconds at most between gun being screamed. Again,

00:24:35.500 it could be he's got a gun or gun, which they're trained to yell when they see it on a perp for all

00:24:41.460 intents and purposes. That's how they were treating Alex Preddy, which he was at that point because he

00:24:44.660 had committed a felony by shoving a federal agent. In any event, we count two to three seconds between

00:24:49.760 gun being screamed and the sound of gunfire. A warning this video is disturbing.

00:24:55.700 What the fuck is wrong with you? Honestly.

00:25:15.420 What the fuck did you just do? What the fuck did you just do? What the fuck?

00:25:22.980 Oh, now, now you have the proper appreciation for what messing with the federal agent can lead to

00:25:29.960 lady on the side. Any sane person fully understands that before the confrontation starts,

00:25:39.320 we all understand that everyone knows that law enforcement's armed law enforcement has been

00:25:45.940 screamed at harassed and is dealing with some very bad hombres every day. Do not F with law

00:25:52.700 enforcement. It's really simple. After that, you hear at least 10 gunshots. Here's that same video,

00:26:02.380 but shorter. So you're going to hear the agent scream. He's got a gun or gun several times.

00:26:08.760 Did you hear it right at the beginning? Can we re-rack that? Let's just play that one one more time.

00:26:22.780 Listen, right at the top, as soon as you start playing it, you can hear.

00:26:24.860 We're going to slow that down for you in one second, but it's still unclear how many agents

00:26:35.340 fired their weapons. Amid the scuffle, agents recovering a nine millimeter handgun and additional

00:26:40.200 loaded magazines. The next video we're going to show you is very graphic. We did not blur it

00:26:46.020 because it's already hard to see who is making what movement. This is the same video obtained by

00:26:51.040 DropSiteNews, but an account on X called AFStreamWatch took that video and stabilized it so it

00:26:58.300 does not move around so much. They also slowed it down. All right, going to show this video. In it,

00:27:04.820 you see more clearly that the agent wearing a gray coat has his hands near Preti's backside,

00:27:10.780 near his belt area. It appears that he grabbed something, likely the gun, but another agent blocks

00:27:16.360 the camera shot at that exact moment. So he can't say for sure. An agent screams, he's got a gun or

00:27:21.500 gun. The agent in green goes for his own holster and draws his own sidearm. The agent in the gray

00:27:28.400 coat turns around and runs from the scene with Preti's gun. The agent in green, who's drawn his

00:27:34.200 own gun, moves behind Preti, who's now trying to get up on his knees. It's then you hear the first

00:27:38.400 gunshot. And now here is a slowdown soundbite of the agent screaming about a gun. Listen.

00:27:46.360 You heard it, right? First they yelled gun gun. Then you hear a gunshot quite clearly. We'll play

00:28:03.120 it again. Quite clearly the warning that the man they were trying to arrest and they were wrestling

00:28:08.140 with had a gun came before anybody pulled their gun, much less fired it. Here it is.

00:28:16.360 God, the whistling is so annoying. Truly like think, think of you had to do your job. I sit at

00:28:30.040 this desk, you know, I do interviews for a living and deliver news. I don't think I could function

00:28:34.840 like that. I really don't. I get like, wasn't that so annoying? And I apologize to my SiriusXM

00:28:39.340 audience, which is trying to drive their cars. This is like piercing through their car radios right now.

00:28:45.040 Uh, we're done with that. But you imagine if it's, it's all around you in person and you're

00:28:50.960 trying to affect an arrest. All right. So we've made clear it's, it's not clear to us where the

00:28:57.760 first gunshot actually came from a guy named Rob door, who's a lawyer for the Minnesota gun owners

00:29:03.300 caucus telling the New York post that he believes Preti's gun went off after the agent grabbed it,

00:29:08.300 leading the other agent to open fire. Here's a photo of the agent with the gun,

00:29:15.800 Preti's gun after leaving the fight. So he, it looks like he retrieved Preti's gun and left the

00:29:22.040 fight. And this is the video. The agent is involved in the tussle. He can then be seen running away

00:29:28.180 from the huddle with a gun in his hand. He briefly looks back when the gunfire rings out. Some have

00:29:33.140 determined that this could have been an accidental discharge with Preti's weapon. There are reports

00:29:40.140 of this happening with this particular weapon multiple times that apparently it's known to do

00:29:46.220 this kind of thing, which is not great, not great in a firearm. Don't know if that's what happened

00:29:50.060 here, but it's one of the possibilities that they're going to look into. President Trump did

00:29:54.700 not initially weigh in on what happened, but he told the wall street journal last night, quote,

00:29:58.840 I don't like any shooting. I don't like it, but I don't like it when somebody goes into a protest

00:30:03.100 and he's got a very powerful, fully loaded gun with two magazines loaded up with bullets. Also

00:30:07.300 that doesn't play good either, said the president. Fair take measured actually. Unlike Minnesota

00:30:14.480 governor, Tim Walz, who immediately went for the cameras claiming ice is not law enforcement. And I

00:30:20.600 guess border patrol too. And Preti was shot just trying to buy a donut. This federal occupation of

00:30:28.180 Minnesota long ago stopped being a matter of immigration enforcement. It's a campaign of

00:30:33.020 organized brutality against the people of our state. And today that campaign claimed another life.

00:30:39.480 Donald Trump, I call on you once again, remove this force from Minnesota. They are sowing chaos and

00:30:47.420 violence. We've seen deadly violence from federal agents again and again and again. And I call on all

00:30:54.460 Americans to see the decency that this state is exhibiting and the horrific, cruelty, unprofessional,

00:31:03.520 absolute abomination that is passing for what these ICE agents are doing on our streets. And quit

00:31:10.800 referring to these people as law enforcement. They are not law enforcement. You ask us for peace and we give

00:31:15.940 it and we get shot in the face on the streets coming out of a donut shop.

00:31:19.220 I mean, I'm sorry, but that is so irresponsible. I know there's loose talk. Listen to podcasting.

00:31:27.960 You're going to hear that. You're going to listen, you know, cable news pundits. You're going to hear

00:31:30.820 that. He's the sitting governor of the state. He has an obligation to the citizenry to be more careful

00:31:37.980 with his words. He truly does. And don't even get me started on Barack Obama and Bill Clinton and Hillary

00:31:45.580 Clinton and Kamala Harris, who I swear to God, if you wanted to get someone killed in Minneapolis, 0.96

00:31:52.120 you wouldn't do anything differently from what they are doing. That the words that they have chosen

00:31:57.220 are extremely insurrection. Bill Clinton looking at you in particular. But this is it's exploitation.

00:32:04.300 There is no trust me. There's no actual caring. They don't care. They're not actually upset at all

00:32:10.280 about what happened to Alex pretty there. They see no good crisis is wasted. Use every good crisis

00:32:16.840 as an opportunity. That was Rahm Emanuel's words to Obama. They see an opportunity. They see an

00:32:23.440 opportunity to finally make Democrats popular again, which they haven't been for over two years.

00:32:29.020 They see an opportunity to make the Republicans look like the bad guys. And they know if they just

00:32:34.240 keep amping up the things on the street corners of Minneapolis, there'll be another one. And they can

00:32:39.720 just come out there and look forlorn. Just so, so sad and exasperated. You saw how quickly they

00:32:46.700 moved on from the little five-year-old boy with the sweet little dog hat. Oh, like they moved on

00:32:53.000 real quick once it became very clear that the dad wasn't an asylum seeker. He was just a regular old

00:32:57.920 illegal with a deportation order, removal order. And he ran. That's why he ran, leaving his five-year-old

00:33:03.500 alone. And that's why his wife would not open the door for ICE authorities trying to give her her son.

00:33:08.320 And so the father had no choice once they caught him. Do you want us to give your son to somebody

00:33:13.360 like your wife inside? Or do you want to take him? And he said, I'll take him. That's what happened.

00:33:18.460 Oh, they moved on right quick from that little boy, didn't they? Because their narrative, it's like

00:33:22.080 darts at a board. And I bet they view Alex Preeti, if you want to be pretty, whatever, honest about it,

00:33:29.180 as a, you know, a sacrificial lamb, as like a soldier who did his duty. Like it was, he was

00:33:36.780 martyred basically for the cause of proving how terrible Trump is. It's not even necessarily about

00:33:42.100 immigration. It's proving how terrible Trump is so that Democrats can be restored to power.

00:33:45.880 And the best way they want to be restored to power is by part one, which was opening the border and

00:33:52.820 letting somewhere between 10 and 20 million illegals come into the country. Part two, having zero voter

00:33:59.400 ID requirements at the ballot box on voting day so they can show up and they can vote and they can

00:34:05.560 keep Democrats in office. I'm sorry, but this like Governor Walz is out of control. So is his

00:34:12.060 lieutenant governor? She's a sicko, that Peggy Flanagan. Something's really wrong with her. 1.00

00:34:18.740 Kamala, awful. The mayor, terrible. This one's still Governor Walz. I'm about to play with you

00:34:24.860 where he compared ice to Nazis. Great. That's our favorite thing. But for good measure, he brought 0.98

00:34:30.040 in Anne Frank. We have got children in Minnesota hiding in their houses, afraid to go outside.

00:34:38.140 Many of us grew up reading that story of Anne Frank. Somebody's going to write that children's

00:34:44.960 story about Minnesota. And there's one person who can end this now.

00:34:53.540 I just want to tell you what the polling is to which I'm referring. Here's just one

00:34:57.440 via Axios. Internal GOP polling, which alarmed some Trump insiders, was completed at the end of

00:35:03.640 December, days before Renee Goode was killed in Minneapolis. 60% of independent voters and 58%

00:35:11.160 of undecided voters said Trump was too focused on deporting illegals. Again, this is a poll by Trump's

00:35:18.540 team. 33% said Trump was primarily deporting law-abiding people as opposed to criminals. So

00:35:25.100 one third of the populace believes he's just going after law-abiding people as opposed to criminals.

00:35:30.960 I mean, that's shocking. New York Times, do you think, this is their poll, do you think the

00:35:36.760 tactics used by immigration customs enforcement have gone too far, not gone far enough, or been

00:35:41.620 about right? Too far, 61% overall. 61%. Only 26% say it's about right. 11% say not far enough.

00:35:52.940 Democrats, 94% against the president. Independents, 71% against the president.

00:35:59.580 Even Republicans, 19% against the president saying things have gone too far. That's how

00:36:06.860 you get to 61% saying it's gone too far. I have to say, to be perfectly honest, I'm in

00:36:14.420 the 11%. I just am. I don't think they've gone far enough. We've made very little progress 1.00

00:36:20.380 in getting these illegals out of the United States. We've tried. They've tried so hard. 1.00

00:36:23.940 God bless Tom Homan. He's a hero. But the numbers aren't great. We have so many more to get out.

00:36:31.940 And like, I don't know. I think maybe what we needed to do right from the get-go was send in,

00:36:37.380 the way he did in LA, the National Guard to protect these ICE agents so they could get in and get out

00:36:42.620 faster without this kind of thing happening. There would have been a legal challenge and it probably

00:36:48.720 would have been sustained if the National Guard's presence there hadn't been proven totally

00:36:53.120 necessary. But we're there now. We're there now. I mean, he can send in the National Guard to

00:36:57.800 protect ICE without invoking the insurrection. Will he do it? I don't know. I mean, that's what

00:37:05.760 happened in LA. That's what he's doing in Chicago or trying. ICE right now, I'm sorry, National Guard

00:37:13.460 right now has been deployed by Governor Walz. And we don't know what, why, what exactly are they

00:37:19.720 doing? We reported on an AM update today. They're passing out coffee and donuts to people wearing

00:37:25.160 different like reflective vests to try to make themselves look different from border enforcement.

00:37:29.180 But like we cannot have a situation where the National Guard's on one side and the border

00:37:33.540 protection and the ICE guys are on another side. That's a hard no. I don't know what Governor

00:37:37.940 Walz has up his sleeve on this, but he needs to be watched carefully. This morning, there was some

00:37:42.320 progress. Trump sending out a tweet. This is what it reads. Hold on a second. That's

00:37:56.440 Kristi Noem's. I don't want that. I want this one. Okay, Donald Trump. I'm sending Tom Homan

00:38:02.120 to Minnesota tonight. Wait, this is last night. I'm sending Tom Homan to Minnesota tonight. He's

00:38:06.760 not been involved in that area, but knows and likes many of the people there. Tom is tough

00:38:10.600 affair and will report directly to me. Separately, a major investigation is going on with respect

00:38:14.860 to the massive $20 billion plus welfare fraud. And he goes on from there about Ilhan Omar

00:38:19.400 and others. And then this morning, Trump announced the following. Governor Tim Walz called me with

00:38:26.440 the request to work together with respect to Minnesota. I mean, Trump had been asking him

00:38:31.320 to do this for weeks. It was a very good call. And we actually seem to be on a similar wavelength.

00:38:35.820 I told Governor Walz that I would have Tom Homan call him and that what we are looking

00:38:39.840 for are any and all criminals that they have in their possession. The governor very respectfully

00:38:44.040 understood that. And I will be speaking to him in the near future. He was happy that Tom

00:38:48.220 Homan was going to Minnesota. And so am I. We've had such tremendous success in Washington,

00:38:52.480 D.C., Memphis, Tennessee, and New Orleans, Louisiana, and virtually every other place that

00:38:56.180 we have touched. And even in Minnesota, crime is way down. But both Governor Walz and I

00:39:00.940 want to make it better. President Donald J. Trump. So we're looking for any and all criminals that

00:39:09.800 they have in their possession. Okay, that's what we've been asking for for quite some time. The reason

00:39:14.280 we don't get them is because it is a sanctuary state, not officially, but by default. And Minneapolis

00:39:19.940 is a sanctuary city. So they don't cooperate in handing over those criminals to the feds, even if

00:39:25.340 there's an ICE detainer on them. So is he, is Walsh ready to sacrifice the sanctuary city policies?

00:39:32.240 Great. That actually would be a W. We'll see. I think we all know Governor Walz is very, very,

00:39:40.820 very interested in distracting from his massive fraud scandal. And he has no real interest in

00:39:47.400 stopping the bedlam that's on the streets of Minneapolis right now. One of the people who was

00:39:52.240 right in the middle of it was our friend, James O'Keefe. He's the founder of Project Veritas

00:39:56.740 and is now the CEO of O'Keefe Media Group, cleverly referred to as OMG.

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00:40:36.560 the thick of all this over the weekend. Tell us about your experience. Hey, Megan. Yeah, I was actually in

00:40:42.760 Minnesota for a different reason on Friday and Saturday morning, and I was in an undercover

00:40:48.300 journalism, doing some undercover journalism, and I was there when the shots were fired. Just

00:40:52.920 absolute coincidence. So I walked over to the location in what appeared to be like the suburbs

00:40:58.180 of Minnesota, a relatively nice neighborhood. People need to understand that what's so shocking to me is

00:41:02.740 that this is not like a bad neighborhood. This is just a suburban place. And this is before the

00:41:08.480 autonomous zone was formed, I don't know, about 11, 12 a.m., I was walking. We parked our vehicle,

00:41:13.580 got out of our vehicle. We did have undercover people in the mob. But what was striking to me

00:41:17.980 is right when I parked my vehicle, as soon as I got out, it's negative 12 degrees, so every part of

00:41:22.840 your skin is completely covered. They can't identify you. Immediately, five women who are white 0.98

00:41:28.860 began interrogating me and asking me who I am and what my identity is. I've never experienced anything

00:41:33.340 quite like this. I actually told them I was press, and it was almost like they were going to do a

00:41:38.860 citizen's arrest on me unless I identified myself, showed them my ID. So I told them, you know...

00:41:44.800 James, forgive me. You guys have given us a couple of videos exclusive to you. People can check them

00:41:50.060 out at your website. So we'll play a couple of them as you tell the story, and there is one of the

00:41:54.500 moment I think you're referring to where they're demanding you show your press badge in SOT 9A. Here it is.

00:41:59.700 Keep going, James.

00:42:27.660 So we'll tell the story about a sequence, but what happened there is they started yelling,

00:42:32.600 shame, shame, shame. And again, this is not yet even an autonomous zone. I'm somewhere

00:42:38.680 a mile away from the shooting. They followed us to our car. They started throwing things at us.

00:42:44.440 Now remember, negative 12 degrees, a bottle of water will freeze in like 20, 30 seconds. And it's a

00:42:49.280 weapon. And they started throwing objects at me and my security guard. In fact, they actually

00:42:55.840 padded my security guard down. They are the authority. I've never experienced anything like

00:43:01.120 this. I mean, if you have a gun, what are you going to do, fire it at them? I mean, that's

00:43:05.020 not going to work. So they confiscated the weapon off of my Marine security detail, followed us

00:43:12.660 to our...

00:43:12.860 Wait, a gun?

00:43:13.400 Well, he left his gun in the car, but he had like a knife or something on him and they confiscated,

00:43:19.260 they patted him down like they're the police. Now the police in Minnesota have left. The police

00:43:25.140 have left this area completely. So you're completely on your own. And I'm shaking. Megan, you have me on

00:43:32.100 to talk about my film, Line in the Sand. I've ambushed the cartel. They run away from me. They

00:43:36.600 don't like the cameras. These people will kill you. I've never quite experienced like, I guess I would

00:43:42.600 call it communism up close. I've never experienced anything like this. So we go to the car and they

00:43:48.620 start throwing projectiles at us, rocks, ice bottles, what appeared to be a knife. I'm still

00:43:55.660 going through all the footage. I'm wearing a bulletproof vest. You saw it in the video. It was

00:43:59.360 terrifying. And we have a couple of clips we've given you, but I've never... I'm honestly a little

00:44:06.380 bit shaken. I wouldn't say I'm scared, but I'm shaken. And I guess we'll unpack all this.

00:44:12.060 But what struck me is how organized these people are. Every car...

00:44:17.300 Hold on. Hold on. Hold the thought on the organization because I do want to get into

00:44:20.300 that. Let me show the audience a little bit of what you were subjected to. Let's hear 10A

00:44:25.300 and 10B together.

00:44:26.060 The crowd's following James. Now, now you can see the projectile hit James in the back.

00:44:41.840 James! James! James! James! James! James! James! James! James! James! James! James! James!

00:44:48.560 They're everywhere. Shut the fucking doors. Shut the door. Shut the fucking doors.

00:44:54.060 Go, go, go, go! We're pressed. We're pressed. You know what the First Amendment is?

00:45:00.820 ...yes or go? They threw a frozen...

00:45:03.960 ...ice brick at the car.

00:45:07.280 Take off your vest. Get in quickly.

00:45:08.860 yeah it's um is you know it's pretty terrifying and the reason why uh is because

00:45:17.400 there's no one there to help like there's no police the police have stood down um

00:45:23.460 i mean you know and you tell them they're oppressed we have more footage they'll kill you

00:45:28.520 they don't care anybody who's not them is their enemy if you are a journalist you're a fed and i

00:45:35.180 was trying to reason with them megan i was trying to like talk to them rationally like i'm not here

00:45:39.240 i'm not i'm not taking a position for against ice i'm here just i'm a reporter they said they'll kill

00:45:44.920 me so that was kind of um um perhaps a glimpse into the future i suppose of what we're up against

00:45:52.020 there's more to the story here i can i can tell you what happened next um we go to we try to go

00:45:57.280 back to our hotel megan we're staying downtown and the the person at the hotel signals to one of them

00:46:03.620 and we then realized that we're in danger we have to leave our hotel so we go to a second hotel

00:46:09.380 and we've got someone what what do you mean he's signaled he told them that you were staying there

00:46:13.820 yeah yeah these people have spotters everywhere they have spotters in every street corner they have

00:46:20.060 people working at the hotels they somehow got they they got our license plate rental car they

00:46:26.540 the my driver got a text message a death threat uh from a burner number on his phone which i posted

00:46:35.840 it i did i did post that the death threat yes it reads we know you're in minneapolis you're with

00:46:41.700 o'keefe and his crew of nazis you're in a white ford license plate and then you blocked it out from

00:46:46.360 florida you have one hour to leave or you're dead that was to your driver yeah that that was not to

00:46:51.920 my cell phone that was to the the driver of the vehicle who rented the car i don't we don't know

00:46:57.740 we i've had the fbi reach out to me i think the attorney general the united states actually dm'd me

00:47:03.180 uh bondi dm'd me this morning and we're trying to figure out if we can trace it but that was not to

00:47:09.660 my cell phone that was to the driver of the car which i speculate they ran the tags and found out

00:47:15.160 who rented the vehicle and um and they they followed us to the hotel and usually i wrote in my

00:47:21.420 my tweet there my post that usually i'm able to lose a tail like they give up you just drive down

00:47:26.000 the freeway we go to a second hotel in a town called wyzata minnesota which is kind of a rich

00:47:31.500 suburban town on the lake where they do ice fishing and a guy walks in black block looks like antifa he

00:47:39.680 just stares at me as i'm checking into the hotel and then i then realized i can't actually lose

00:47:45.080 these people i have to like leave the state of minnesota do we drive to chicago like what are we

00:47:50.020 going to do and my my team was honestly pretty pretty pretty scared and that's when i went to the

00:47:55.500 parking garage and posted a video of me reading the death threat as we then proceed to go to our

00:48:00.100 third location and and try to just extract my team out of there because we they feel like their lives

00:48:07.740 are in danger yeah and that your security team gets to the point where they they realize they

00:48:13.480 cannot keep you safe and it's not just you it's not just you james we there was an extraordinary

00:48:18.620 piece of tape um at a minneapolis this is posted on the new york post but we found it on x originally

00:48:25.380 where anti-ice protesters violently swarmed a minneapolis hotel they're big on swarming the

00:48:31.260 hotels where they think press like you or ice or border patrol are staying they believe federal

00:48:37.300 officers were staying there um they began hurling items quoting here from the new york post at people

00:48:42.860 inside smashing in windows graffitiing f-u-c-k ice across the building's facade on sunday the large

00:48:50.600 mob descended on the home two suites by hilton hotel last sunday uh they shoved and hurled objects

00:48:57.300 at a minneapolis police department officer and others just inside the hotel's lobby and attempted to

00:49:04.040 push their way in we're showing some video of it now forcing those inside to use two large vending

00:49:09.460 machines to physically block the rowdy demonstrators um we're all locals it's all locals one man shouted

00:49:15.060 as he tried to ward off the protesters and then we see this piece of tape with a federal agent who's been

00:49:21.420 guarding the hotel come out and scream not scream but like yell with the people stand at the people

00:49:27.680 standing there where is the local pd let's listen to it stop 12

00:49:32.940 is everyone press we're all members of the press we're all pressed here okay um this officer

00:49:44.380 appears to be bleeding for the mouth um oh my god are you okay i'm fine are you okay i'm fine

00:49:52.180 says he's all right where's the local pd that's my question for the press okay where is the local pd

00:50:02.600 what's your message to the local pd sir no okay well the mayor very chaotic

00:50:12.440 sir while you're getting messages what would your message to the protesters that want you out be

00:50:17.360 this guy is bloodied uh from the nose and the mouth james and asking you know basically where

00:50:28.540 the hell is the backup this is a federal yeah i mean there's no incentive the incentives are not

00:50:32.060 aligned you can't hold them accountable you can't defend yourself you can't shoot back you can't fight

00:50:36.260 back you know they you can use mace or something or spray but if you did that as you're being attacked

00:50:42.920 they'll they'll use force against you they'll they'll they'll kill you and so the only thing 0.83

00:50:47.960 the numbers are just too great the only thing that we could do and and i and i was you know i don't

00:50:52.060 i'm not a very fearful person but i recognize when i'm in danger there's a difference between fear

00:50:55.400 and dangers the only thing you can do is just walk away and not engage them that's what i had to

00:51:00.240 do in that moment as they're throwing projectiles just walk don't don't pass go do not collect

00:51:05.860 $200 not look back at them actually and just get the hell out of there but you realize there's

00:51:10.440 nowhere for you to retreat to and my assumption is these police officers aren't going to do anything

00:51:14.760 because they don't end up like derek chovin they don't want to be in prison for the rest of their

00:51:17.640 lives or in front of a jury that'll convict them so i i think you have to experience this megan

00:51:22.320 you're a reporter i'm on the front lines every week i think you have to experience this for yourself

00:51:27.260 to fully understand what you're dealing with i think this is a continuation of 2020 we paused it we

00:51:31.480 now are playing it and it's moving progressing into the future it's it's crazy we're going to pause and

00:51:36.720 then come back with you james but it's very important to keep this in mind because

00:51:39.860 this is what james got as a reporter imagine what the actual border patrol and ice officers are

00:51:44.640 getting daily before they walk into a confrontation with a guy like alex preddy more with james when we

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00:53:05.000 back with me now james o'keefe ceo of o'keefe media group and i know one of the pieces of your reporting

00:53:16.040 james and it matches the reporting of cam higby who's been on the ground there and uh azra nomani

00:53:21.920 who's been posting for fox that there are these like very well attended uh for lack of a better word

00:53:29.600 signal chats where immense planning takes place and they're they're very well coordinated and it's the

00:53:37.360 network by which they i mean that's this is the real signal gate pete hegseth got in trouble for for

00:53:42.560 using signal for comms with some of his top emissaries this is like planned lawlessness on

00:53:48.520 the streets of minneapolis via signal yeah they're very they're as i said to you when i got on your

00:53:52.980 show and i've got the cam higby report he was on the ground with me he's done an unbelievable

00:53:58.820 exceptional reporting he got access to these signal chats uh moments ago as i was on the show with you

00:54:04.220 shows protesters organizing and and i i am shocked and amazed at how organized they are i've never seen

00:54:13.140 anything like this every vehicle downtown they're able to track run the plates confirm who they are

00:54:21.600 get their id like they did in my case they ran my license plate we're trying to figure out how

00:54:27.200 they're able to do that where they have someone on the inside of a rental car company etc

00:54:29.960 and communicate with each other about it and when i got out of my vehicle um this is like 11 30 in the

00:54:37.700 morning just after the shooting and before the autonomous zone within seconds there were five of

00:54:43.640 them standing outside of a relatively uh inconspicuous vehicle interrogating me asking to see my

00:54:49.980 identification so i gotta give the them credit megan i've never seen any anything in my life i don't

00:54:57.560 think any of us have ever seen a group of people more organized and i and i and i warn people because

00:55:02.720 people are tempted to say well this is funded and and honestly megan what i think and what i believe

00:55:06.600 to be true is there isn't some one boogeyman funding all of this it's it's a it's a loose

00:55:11.780 network of ngos some of which indirectly get funds from our government but they people actually 0.79

00:55:16.720 really believe in their cause and it's a cause that it appears to me that they're willing to live

00:55:22.120 and die for which is i think more terrifying than than one guy funding them in a transactional way

00:55:28.320 you mentioned just how how violent they were and how you you felt definitely under threat and

00:55:36.660 potentially like your life was in danger that tracks with what we've been seeing um this is just

00:55:42.300 one but we could spend all day playing them this is an antifa member whose name is kyle wagner

00:55:46.780 who's making his threats explicit again this is like a day ending and why there are so many

00:55:52.620 these on the internet but this one uh came to our attention and we're gonna show you why sat 22

00:55:57.040 my name is kyle i'm antifa and there's so much rage in me that i've had to record this like 15 times

00:56:02.940 trying to get the message out it's time to suit up show up ready to go okay no not talking about

00:56:10.280 peaceful protests anymore we're not talking about having polite conversations anymore i am talking

00:56:15.760 specifically to my fucking followers this is everything i have fucking talked about and this 0.98

00:56:20.580 is exactly what i said was gonna happen this is exactly what i said was gonna fucking come 0.96

00:56:25.340 when we didn't fucking go and march on fucking whipple with guns sorry but welcome to america 2026 0.97

00:56:33.360 where second amendment is the only thing that's gonna keep you fucking protected from literal fucking 0.92

00:56:38.580 nazi gunmen that are killing innocent people in the street with impunity get your fucking 0.95

00:56:45.440 guns and stop these fucking people yeah so kyle doesn't always look like such a tough guy we 0.97

00:56:53.180 pulled his social media he's got an instagram account with over a hundred thousand followers

00:56:57.220 and this is how kyle normally appears on it yeah he's a i guess transvestite uh he's appears to be

00:57:06.980 wearing women's garb a women's wig i can't even like yeah like rainbow long haired uh there's obviously 1.00

00:57:16.340 something deeply wrong with kyle i think we can all agree on that um yeah there's he's with in like

00:57:21.880 women's high boots with high heels showing off his rear end kyle uh to be honest these these photos are

00:57:29.960 are more terrifying than your i'm a tough guy video was like you want to prove me that you're there's

00:57:35.880 something wrong with you you just show me those pictures you didn't have to go through all the

00:57:38.660 theatrics of trying to sound so tough and you're gonna get your guns in the second amendment welcome

00:57:42.980 to the second amendment loving by the way yeah it's great to have you here go ahead james well

00:57:47.320 irrationality can be the most dangerous thing and i and i witnessed you know it's like witnessing

00:57:51.860 communism where there's no rule of law there's no logic it's it's it's dangerous and those are the

00:57:57.820 types of people that some say killed charlie kirk so it's it's it's it's dangerous i mean as i sit

00:58:02.160 here megan with you i'm getting death threats constantly um and i intend to name every single

00:58:06.800 one of these people um but you do i do i mean i'm working on it right now doing the open source

00:58:13.000 intelligence trying to name the dms are coming in you know it's threatening my life why like i have 0.88

00:58:19.120 to say i never name my threateners i just never do it i just like they want infamy most of them just

00:58:25.040 want attention they don't actually want it's a it's a fair point but i think sunlight is the best

00:58:29.940 disinfectant and i think the only thing that these people actually fear is exposure itself

00:58:33.900 they certainly don't fear accountability there's there's no no one's been arrested uh and and the

00:58:38.880 reason no one now even the three church disturbers who went into the city's church last sunday not

00:58:45.080 yesterday but last sunday are already back out like they i want to talk to you about i want to talk to

00:58:50.600 you about this this is i have only a few words to say about it but every one of your audience members

00:58:55.320 is all thinking the exact same thing is why isn't anybody arrested and i think the reason why is is

00:59:01.000 because there's no money in holding people accountable there's no money in it there's a lot

00:59:05.740 of money in corruption there's a lot of money in fraud and and i've said this publicly and i mean i am

00:59:12.360 dead serious and i and i and i will do this if the prosecutors do not arrest the people then i'm going

00:59:18.940 to hold the prosecutors accountable i'm going to do investigative journalism you're talking about

00:59:22.780 minnesota i'm talking about federally state everything in other words the feds are bending

00:59:28.620 over backwards right now to arrest those people who went into that church they're being stymied at

00:59:32.420 every level that that's in the news today they went into the magistrate judge he said no for everybody

00:59:36.380 but three then they tried now we know harmeet was on the show on friday they tried to go to the chief

00:59:41.580 district judge to overrule that guy he said no just go to a grand jury and get get a an indictment the

00:59:48.620 old-fashioned way one we are told is uh beginning tomorrow tuesday they said no we want this before

00:59:54.640 sunday so no more masses are just our services are disrupted so they tried to go up to the eighth

00:59:59.100 circuit and the eighth circuit uh three judge panel two of whom were trump appointees said no

01:00:03.960 there's nothing so extraordinary happening that you require this quick relief um they weren't real

01:00:10.060 persuaded by the fact that they had to have all these arrests made before sunday but just to have the

01:00:15.380 doj do all of that james is extraordinary so they are trying it's just a lot harder especially at the

01:00:21.520 federal level to bring and they don't have enough prosecutors and and good lawyers at the doj probably 0.88

01:00:26.640 that can be trusted but i this is this is a different level now when and i've and i've had

01:00:32.400 the attorney general i've had them reach out to me this morning trying to get the identity of the

01:00:36.880 people and i and i hope they mean well but generally speaking no one's been arrested nobody i mean

01:00:42.320 i've been arrested megan as you know the fbi's raided me yes the fbi raided my news yeah harmeet

01:00:48.200 was your lawyer so they they didn't have any trouble arresting well that's why it's so crazy

01:00:52.320 what do you make of that james because it's like james o'keefe has a conversation with someone who

01:00:58.600 has stolen ashley biden's diary about possibly paying her for it and possibly printing it but james

01:01:05.940 o'keefe decides i'm not going to do that and then james o'keefe gets the fbi at his home at five in

01:01:12.780 the morning along with several employees who get the same treatment um as the fbi raids you and

01:01:18.440 conveniently just i mean it's a miracle i don't know how they did it but somehow the new york times

01:01:22.360 figured out what's going to happen and published two minutes later but don lemon physically goes into

01:01:29.420 a church terrorizing all of these civilians just trying to observe a woman so scared we just read

01:01:37.280 the police affidavit on her running out of the church she she broke her arm now they're talking about

01:01:43.600 the terror that the children were feeling and neither don nor several of the others who weren't

01:01:48.960 the ringleaders can can get indicted can get an arrest warrant issued against them for some reason

01:01:54.900 these federal judges out in minnesota want to protect them no one no one wanted to protect you

01:01:59.200 other than her meat i i understand the dynamics megan and and it's a it's a it's a serious problem

01:02:05.440 it's it's gotten to the point where the the the lack of arrests is the story and and and i i actually

01:02:11.680 think it's not just you know megan you know what you're talking about in minnesota i i think it's

01:02:17.160 something more i think that the people in charge have to have the will and the courage to hold them

01:02:24.260 accountable accountability like leadership is a liability let me give you a more

01:02:28.940 specific example i get sued once a month megan once a month for for reporting what people say

01:02:35.640 for for exercising my first amendment rights if i just talk and not do investigative journalism i

01:02:42.220 probably wouldn't get sued but i get i get sued because i hold people accountable and therefore

01:02:48.200 it becomes a liability for me in other words it's very expensive i have to raise millions of dollars

01:02:52.860 it's hard so i don't think it's just that there's these obstacles i think that the people in charge

01:02:59.480 the people in washington have to have the balls and the will to expose themselves to liability

01:03:06.560 and to threats and they have to say i don't care i'm going to do it anyway and and and that's where we

01:03:13.380 are right now and if there are threats against them and if they are being bribed i will i will expose

01:03:18.700 that i will i will show that to the america can you get more specific because like what harmeet has

01:03:24.280 done in the church protest i don't i'm not i'm not talking about harmeet specifically i'm talking

01:03:29.720 about other so you're going beyond i'm talking about other reporting yeah as you know i have

01:03:33.460 undercover people in washington and elsewhere and and and people tell me things and and people

01:03:37.560 inside the fbi tell me things and they they they say the reasons why we're not we're not arresting

01:03:44.700 people and what i'm saying is that i think it might be time for me to bring that to the american

01:03:48.780 people because as a reporter megan you know you have to balance the relationships you have with

01:03:53.760 these people you probably have a relationship with harmeet i don't know but i'm assuming you do

01:03:56.740 your relationships with the rapport you build with your sources and also guys i'm gonna have to put you

01:04:02.520 on blast like it's time to to show the world the way it is and i'm just saying that i think i will

01:04:09.320 say for the record it's been very interesting to me because i i have more friends in this

01:04:12.680 administration than i've ever had in an administration and some understand that i do

01:04:17.720 have a day job and like i if they do something that's controversial i'm going to report on it

01:04:22.300 and they may not like it and they take it like big boys and girls and some come crying like little

01:04:28.020 babies right honestly some are so pathetic in their like that we were friends right okay you join the

01:04:35.300 government you're fair game if you want to end the friendship because i've reported on the

01:04:39.420 controversy surrounding you that's up to you but yeah there's a vast disparity i would say between

01:04:45.220 how some respond and how others there's definitely a tension there there's definitely a tension there

01:04:50.040 but i think we reached a boiling point and i think uh the public has a right to know at this point and

01:04:55.320 by the way there's some i'm gonna just be clear to your audience i have relationships with some of

01:04:58.360 these people there are some really good people in government there are some good people trying to do

01:05:02.500 the right thing but it's the nature of it's the nature of institutions and bureaucracies it's very

01:05:07.360 hard to lead when you're in a bureaucracy individuals can like nick shirley he's an individual he can take

01:05:13.380 enormous risks i think it's challenging for a bureaucracy to take those risks but um stay tuned

01:05:19.200 yeah we will james o'keefe thank you it's great to see you my friend thank you

01:05:24.660 all right we'll see you soon um we're gonna bring in our legal legal panel in a minute but i just want

01:05:29.260 to give you guys an update on what happened with that uh the push now we've seen the affidavit

01:05:37.220 in support of arresting more people inside of that church the not the people but the protesters it's

01:05:42.500 stunning okay it's stunning it's not going well for the government right now but again this grand

01:05:47.780 jury starts tomorrow we're told and so almost certainly they're going to go before that grand

01:05:53.360 jury and try to get these charges you know will they succeed with a minneapolis it's still minneapolis

01:05:57.400 grand jurors um they tend to do a little better in federal court so we'll see but

01:06:02.280 there's absolutely no guarantee look what happened in washington dc they wouldn't indict that guy it

01:06:07.020 was on tape him throwing that subway and hitting the cop with it they didn't care so it's possible

01:06:12.860 that politics could overrule uh justice in front of the grand jury but i just want to tell you

01:06:18.400 what has come out all right first we had magistrate judge douglas micko saying prosecutors failed to

01:06:24.920 present evidence to justify these arrests that it was uh seeking among those rejected were uh the

01:06:32.060 warrants for don lemon one of his producers and some others micko did authorize arrest warrants for

01:06:38.700 three people who were described as the leaders and those people were arrested last week and we brought

01:06:42.640 that to you you remember them nakima i think it was chantelle and uh that william kelly they were

01:06:48.860 all arrested but there were several others that they tried to get and didn't the trump administration

01:06:53.560 uh then went up above micko's head to the chief district judge patrick

01:06:58.600 shilts shilts gotta be careful with that name declined to take immediate action he said it's

01:07:07.260 unprecedented for you to like run to me just go to a grand jury or improve your warrant that the

01:07:12.820 magistrate didn't find persuasive like why are you running above his head was that judge's reaction

01:07:17.200 then the doj went to the eighth circuit asking that court to issue a writ of mandamus to force

01:07:23.480 shilts shilts to grant the government's request on friday the three judge panels said no we're not

01:07:33.120 doing that as i told you one obama appointee two trump appointees um basically everybody just said

01:07:38.620 there's no rush you can present this case to a grand jury and seek an indictment or you can improve

01:07:45.360 your affidavit and submit it back to that magistrate judge but the actual like facts that were in the

01:07:53.320 underlying affidavit about what happened inside of that courthouse sorry church house were stunning

01:07:58.800 it's much worse than we realized and we knew it was bad well listen to this

01:08:01.980 uh this is an affidavit from timothy gerber special agent with the department of homeland security

01:08:07.380 ice and homeland security investigations this is when you try to go get uh you drop a criminal

01:08:14.340 complaint it has to be supported by something and they support it with the affidavit of a federal

01:08:17.920 law enforcement officer saying this is what i've gathered this is why you should issue a criminal

01:08:22.500 warrant work for those three but not the others affidavit submitted for purposes of establishing

01:08:28.400 probable cause blah blah blah okay so it was those three plus five redacted names and other

01:08:35.940 currently unknown persons for conspiracy against rights that's the clan act um and the face act

01:08:43.360 those are the two laws we discussed them last week he says they disrupted their religious services and

01:08:48.720 intimidated harassed oppressed and terrorized the parishioners including young children they caused the

01:08:53.660 service to be cut short they forced the parishioners to flee the church outside of a side door out of a

01:08:57.700 side door resulting in one female victim falling and suffering an injury they later reveal she broke

01:09:02.620 her arm some of the protesters also physically obstructed some parishioners as they attempted

01:09:07.520 to leave the church and the adjacent parking areas back to victim two she broke her arm she slipped and broke

01:09:13.780 it uh when she came out the door and was running victim two advised the police that they were terrorized

01:09:22.060 our children were weeping college students and young women were sobbing it was impactful and it will take

01:09:27.260 time to work through victims four and five were interviewed they were members of city church for at least

01:09:33.460 four years they noticed that the church was unusually full and a group of unfamiliar individuals seated

01:09:40.160 together toward the rear of the church approximately 50 members of the congregation were stuck toward the

01:09:45.960 front of the church after the protest began victim four informed the agents that the aisles which are

01:09:53.400 already narrow to begin with uh got more so as the agitators who occupied the center of the sanctuary

01:09:59.020 made it nearly impossible for the parishioners to get out and leave all this is important remember we

01:10:04.900 talked with dave about physical obstruction under the face act and what it means if you physically

01:10:09.880 obstruct a woman's walk into the abortion clinic you're going to get charged under the face act if you

01:10:14.780 physically obstruct someone's ability to leave their place of worship which you're terrorizing you can get

01:10:20.600 charged under the face act so this is what he's trying to establish here made it nearly impossible

01:10:24.640 for parishioners to get out and leave victim five later expressed fear that the agitators may have

01:10:29.760 guns underneath their jackets don't forget threats or intimidation that's what you also need to show

01:10:36.500 under threats intimidation physical obstruction um at a place of worship so all these are going into

01:10:42.080 face act violations and they also will play under the clan act too um let's see that they were shouting

01:10:48.840 and listen to this they feared that the agitators may have guns underneath their jackets when the

01:10:55.300 agitators began shouting all the parishioners could hear was shoot we've talked about this hands up don't

01:11:00.820 shoot what what makes them think that anybody who wasn't an adult in 2015 when ferguson happened would

01:11:07.360 know what that reference is and not everybody even who did know the reference could hear the whole thing

01:11:12.140 because it was loud in there with that ridiculous nakima yelling um at the pastor and then eventually he 0.82

01:11:18.160 yelled shame back at her victim four informed the agents members of their parish attempted to retrieve

01:11:22.580 their children from the child care area located downstairs you know how we put the littles

01:11:26.940 downstairs sometimes and the agitators were blocking the staircase the parents were unable to get to

01:11:32.620 their children victim four recalled one agitator was threatening aggressive and intimidating toward

01:11:37.960 the parishioners additionally this agitator was screaming and getting at people's faces to include

01:11:42.740 women and young children this agitator continued to scream in the faces of the young children 1.00

01:11:46.620 while they were crying it's got to be william kelly we've seen that victim six was joined by his

01:11:52.400 wife victim two and their other children recalled an african-american woman yelling excuse me pastor

01:11:57.160 excuse me do you know you're harboring ice agent victim one so that that one pastor i assume who they

01:12:04.060 thought was ice uh let's see recalled people shouting running children crying people singing and praying

01:12:10.600 victim six were called kelly screaming nazi in people's faces in addition to confronting children

01:12:16.500 saying do you know your parents are nazis they're gonna burn in hell threatening you think they've got

01:12:23.280 it all here victim six later stated protesters followed and surrounded them in their car as they

01:12:29.260 were trying to leave but would not let them leave um they were afraid victim six informed agents

01:12:36.820 that their face is on the website they're afraid people will try and come to their house at night

01:12:42.840 victim six recalled his child stating to him daddy i thought you were going to die victim six ended the

01:12:48.440 interview and acknowledged that his children are traumatized that's probable cause folks and it's

01:12:53.420 not going to stop at the three who are arrested at least not if this doj keeps its foot on that pedal

01:12:58.880 and if we have activist judges or grand jurors who don't allow it then we're going to have to see what

01:13:04.220 happens next because they can't get away with this a woman's got a broken bone you've got children who 1.00

01:13:08.900 are traumatized you got adults who are traumatized you got a physical taking over of a place of

01:13:15.060 worship not allowing people to leave separating people from their children who are downstairs in

01:13:19.460 the sanctuary um this is this is worth fighting over it's worth it's worth going to the chief judge

01:13:26.360 and then going to the eighth circuit and then going to the grand jury and doing everything within your

01:13:30.360 power to make sure everyone involved is brought to justice now up next a legal debate with the guy

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01:17:12.820 there are so many legal angles to break down on what's going on in minnesota and most importantly

01:17:21.640 were the federal officers justified in using deadly force saturday against alex preddy here to debate the

01:17:27.700 issue is andrew bronca an attorney who is a self-defense law expert as well as the host of the

01:17:33.080 andrew bronca show and our pal dave erenberg who's an mk true crime host is also with us today he's a

01:17:39.500 lawyer former palm beach county state's attorney as well guys uh welcome back to the show so um and

01:17:47.100 i'll kick it off with this andrew um real clear politics saying that in their 25 years you know as

01:17:55.140 an entity they have never seen an example where the new york times the wall street journal the new york

01:18:00.820 post and the washington post all agreed in their top editorial which was to call on ice to settle

01:18:07.200 down um and to potentially de-escalate in minnesota um i don't happen to agree with that i know according

01:18:15.640 to the polls i'm in the minority but it is events like what happened with alex preddy that have led to

01:18:20.540 that and so your position that this was what i mean you i don't want to put words in your mouth that

01:18:26.240 it was a valid shooting that it was a quote good shooting how would you put it yeah it was a legally

01:18:31.380 justified use of defense of force i mean whether i should should de-escalate that's a political

01:18:35.940 question right that's not my area of expertise but whether this particular shooting was justified

01:18:41.020 or not the legal question is did the officers who fired the shot have a reasonable perception that

01:18:46.340 preddy was presenting as an imminent unlawful threat of deadly force harm and a prosecutor would

01:18:51.680 have to disprove that beyond any reasonable doubt and what facts do we have here we have the ice

01:18:57.240 officers observing preddy committing a violent felony on another ice officer he's non-compliant

01:19:03.280 with the rest specifically well when he lays hands on the first ice officer that's a federal felony

01:19:07.760 that's good for eight years in federal prison he doesn't have to cause injury he just has to make

01:19:11.840 contact and it's an eight-year federal felony so he's just committed a violent forcible felony

01:19:16.020 on a nice officer they go to make his arrest he's not compliant they hear shouts of gun gun gun

01:19:22.760 then the non-compliant preddy brings his hand into view with an object in his hand that's going to get

01:19:28.440 you shot in that kind of tumultuous chaotic fracas about 99 times out of 100 because the officers keep

01:19:35.220 in mind they don't have to be correct in their perception of a threat they have to have a reasonable

01:19:40.940 perception that doesn't mean correct that doesn't mean optimal that doesn't mean best case it means

01:19:46.560 reasoned they were applying their powers of reason to the things they were seeing presented to them

01:19:51.640 in the totality of the circumstances they're not required to make perfect decisions in self-defense

01:19:56.600 they're required to make reasonable decisions in self-defense and again a prosecutor would have to

01:20:02.160 disprove that beyond any reasonable doubt the only person responsible for the death of alex preddy

01:20:07.680 is alex preddy dave do you agree with andrew's statement of the law i know you disagree with

01:20:14.540 the application of it but the statement of the law does he have it right well under the graham versus

01:20:18.720 connor decision by the supreme court megan andrew's right the officer's perception doesn't have to be

01:20:25.960 correct it just has to be reasonable at the time this was a split second decision but the decision says

01:20:33.160 it has to be objectively reasonable not subjectively so was it objectively reasonable that they started

01:20:40.160 shooting shooting 10 times in five seconds and was this guy a legitimate threat when he had seven

01:20:46.660 officers on top of him and the gun had been removed by that point i mean perhaps the officers had a mistake

01:20:53.480 of fact where they thought that the gunshot they heard was from the person who was lying face down and

01:21:00.040 they made a mistake but was it reasonable for them to make that mistake so i i would disagree not on the

01:21:07.540 standard he's using but on the facts it looks like to me that the victim here mr preddy was not a threat

01:21:16.040 the officer saw he had a phone in his hand the gun was not brandished and that is something that contradicts

01:21:24.040 what christy noem said he never brandished the gun he had the gun legally and so i think there's a

01:21:29.880 legitimate case we made i would agree with andrew that any any case by a prosecutor in this area and

01:21:34.360 i've prosecuted one of these cases uh in my office against an officer we got a conviction but they are

01:21:38.780 very hard to do it's hard to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt unanimously to convict an officer

01:21:43.420 but i do think you can take this case of the grand jury and get an indictment would you do it dave if

01:21:49.680 you were still if you were the da in this county would you do it i would i would now i the federal

01:21:54.480 government normally would cooperate with the state instead they're going to try to conceal the evidence

01:21:59.960 and so the state may have to go it alone but i would i think you have enough with the videos and witness

01:22:04.620 testimony that you can get an indictment here whether you can get a conviction it will go to federal court

01:22:08.940 this case will be removed to federal court and then the question is will the federal judge grant the

01:22:13.620 officer immunity that's a big question if he does not then it's game on and you can try him

01:22:18.600 but it's tough to get 12 jurors throughout the entire state of minnesota this is not just hennepin

01:22:23.080 county jurors these are conservative jurors and to get them all to agree to see it one way that is a

01:22:28.820 challenge for you you're talking about in federal court the grand jurors or the actual jurors the

01:22:34.580 petite jurors the 12 correct would would come from all over the state correct it's much easier to get

01:22:38.640 an indictment by a grand jury but the actual jury because this case will be removed if it does go to

01:22:43.600 trial to federal court will come from all across the state rather than just blue hennepin county

01:22:49.280 okay so what's your reaction to that andrew james dave's statement well i mean of course reasonable

01:22:55.520 people can disagree on what they see when they observe the facts right facts become a matter of

01:22:59.560 opinion that's why we have juries as the fact finders in trials i don't know if it's quite true

01:23:04.900 to say that the officer saw a phone in his hand in other words that the officer knew it was only a phone

01:23:09.700 if we assume facts like well the officers knew he was disarmed and harmless and not a threat to them

01:23:15.640 and they shot him anyway well then obviously that would be an easy conviction i suspect if we asked

01:23:19.820 the officer he wouldn't say i knew it was a phone in his hand i saw an object in his hand that i

01:23:24.080 perceived as a weapon is what i would expect him to say in terms of prosecution of these of this officer

01:23:29.500 and the officer who shot renee good i think the real risk to them is not immediate prosecution i think

01:23:34.240 if this goes to federal court um it gets dismissed under the supremacy clause i think the risk

01:23:39.540 to these officers is that minnesota does not prosecute them that minnesota just waits out

01:23:44.340 this administration hopes a democrat administration comes in next and they have a democrat department 0.98

01:23:49.580 of justice that's not interested in defending these officers in federal court and would allow

01:23:54.200 a state prosecution to go forward remember there's no statute of limitations on murder so

01:23:58.640 minnesota can just wait out this administration if whoever the next one is if president tim walls is 0.92

01:24:04.400 elected uh to the white house next time and has his own department of justice he could just tell

01:24:09.020 them listen i i don't want you to try to get this case dismissed in federal court i want the state

01:24:13.400 prosecution and go forward and then we're going to have another derek chauvin type of trial

01:24:17.540 because while trump could give these officers immunity with a pardon from federal charges he cannot

01:24:25.720 prevent he can't protect them against state correct that's correct that's scary that actually is really

01:24:32.800 scary i mean maybe that's one of the reasons why you're seeing some of the divide that's in the news

01:24:37.600 today between homin tom homin and christy noem which is being reported everywhere uh but this isn't

01:24:44.000 like just left-wing press saying oh they hate each other it's like fox news and the journal and the new

01:24:48.680 york post reporting on how there's a rift between christy noem and cory lewandowski on the one hand

01:24:54.500 and tom homin um and i think is it the ice chief or the border patrol chief uh on the other and they

01:25:01.300 homin doesn't want to be doing immigration enforcement this way and reportedly christy

01:25:07.700 noem and cory lewandowski do like they they were fine with shall i say more showy uh arrests and uh

01:25:16.840 greater sort of in your face presence and i think homin who's been doing this a long time and actually

01:25:21.740 received an award from barack obama for how he did it didn't quite approve of the way this is going

01:25:27.260 and now we get the announcement last night that homin is going to minnesota and he's taking over 0.65

01:25:32.020 and then you see a tweet from christy noem this morning saying this is great i approve of this

01:25:35.900 which is okay all right now everybody's gonna spin it however they want to spin it but i think it is a

01:25:39.960 good thing homin's going um andrew let me ask you about this so 10 times in five seconds dave points

01:25:46.480 out they they fired and i know we we just talked about this with the renee good shooting that the 0.99

01:25:51.140 supreme court has said the first shot was justified so were the remaining shots and there there'd have to be

01:25:56.420 something to change it if they were gonna if that ruling didn't hold like a pause some of the cases

01:26:00.480 where they've said okay actually shots two through 10 were not okay there was an intervening pause

01:26:07.640 like where they assessed the situation it was clear the person was dead or hurting and they kept going

01:26:13.360 but that's not do you see that as this case no i i don't uh the only pauses i think were really

01:26:19.000 between the first shot and then a series of three shots and then you get the popcorn effect of shooting

01:26:23.580 it's not at all uncommon to get a lot of shots on a suspect when you have a lot of police officers

01:26:28.800 none of the police officers are are emptying their magazines necessarily but if you have a number of

01:26:33.520 officers shooting and they each shoot two or three rounds which is generally reasonable uh pistol

01:26:38.400 bullets are not very effective they're trained to shoot more than once uh if you have three or four

01:26:42.520 officers shooting three rounds each pretty soon you get 10 12 15 rounds that have been fired

01:26:46.960 but it's all being fired in the same compressed time frame in which it's not yet clear that the threat

01:26:52.900 they're legally privileged to neutralize has been neutralized once that's apparent then they have

01:26:58.480 to make the decision to stop using force they're no longer privileged to do that that's where the

01:27:02.660 pause comes in right if there's a pause and it's apparent the person's no longer a threat and you use

01:27:07.020 force again that successive use of force would not be legally justified uh but i just don't see that

01:27:13.100 here let me play the the sound bite again where you can hear all of the shots again apologies for the

01:27:19.320 very annoying whistles blowing but here it is the fuck is wrong with you honestly 0.99

01:27:24.900 what the fuck did you just do what the fuck did you just do what the fuck 0.99

01:27:48.280 i don't see that dave as being enough of any sort of pause to change the the default rule which is

01:27:55.320 the supreme court does not care how many times the cops shoot if the first shot is okay the rest are

01:28:00.260 too megan i did hear some pauses in there and i think those pauses are where prosecutors can use it

01:28:06.980 i i agree with you that i don't think this is the strongest argument to convict the cops to say that

01:28:12.340 they should have just shot once and not 10 times but it is an argument because once a suspect is

01:28:17.020 incapacitated or the threat is removed that the justification for deadly force ends and the

01:28:22.100 continued firing into emotionless body it's tough to reconcile with any reasonable mistake of fact but

01:28:27.420 i think the stronger argument actually for the prosecutors is just that number one at no point

01:28:32.900 during that video did pretty draw the weapon pointed place his hand on the holster and so if you

01:28:38.280 want to say it's a mistake uh by the officers well only if the suspect's movements are consistent

01:28:44.540 with that action like drawing or brandishing here he was he was sprayed pepper sprayed tackled

01:28:50.160 and they were on top of him and now also the agent who shot pretty was standing next to the agent in the

01:28:58.360 gray jacket who had just removed the gun and in training in a team-based enforcement action the officers are

01:29:04.160 trained to maintain this situational awareness like 360 degrees that officers shot him was standing next

01:29:11.840 to the guy who pulled away the gun so i think all these give uh grist i know but you're you're that's

01:29:17.420 that's requiring the one officer to to have noticed that the the other officer got the gun away from the

01:29:23.920 suspect which it all happened so quickly i did not hear the officer who pulled the gun away from

01:29:28.440 preddy say i've gotten i've retrieved the gun you know like we hear gun gun gun we don't know

01:29:35.080 specifically what was correct and he should have said that uh but yes that is a fair point but also

01:29:39.580 there's my main point is that there's nothing there that would give cause for the officers to reason

01:29:44.960 believe that this guy was a threat the gun that he had was concealed well what about somebody yelling

01:29:51.000 gun gun gun which which could i mean maybe that was the wrong thing to yell to be honest i don't

01:29:56.260 know because i i my perception is this is just my perception this may all change after the

01:30:01.660 investigation they heard that and they they assumed wielding that the suspect was wielding but you

01:30:08.020 could see his hands the the guy was on his knees in front you could see his hands hands had the same

01:30:12.340 cell phone he had the entire time so that's the thing that i i can't reconcile that because someone

01:30:17.360 mistakenly yells gun you start shooting that's not what you're supposed to do so that that's my issue

01:30:21.640 what do you make of that andrew well again we don't know that the officer knew it was a cell

01:30:27.480 phone in his hand you hear gun gun gun a gunshot goes off there's an object in the suspect's hand

01:30:32.480 and the officers are allowed to rely on the actions of the other officers presumptively reasonable so

01:30:40.520 when one officer shoots the other officers you hear gun gun gun a gunshot there's an object in the

01:30:45.340 guy's hand one officer is shooting presumably because he reasonably perceives an eminent unlawful

01:30:51.100 threat of death or serious bodily injury the other officers are allowed to rely on that perception

01:30:55.520 so they're going to shoot too again they don't have to be making perfect decisions or even good

01:31:01.420 decisions they just have to be reasoned decisions and a and a prosecutor would have to disprove that

01:31:06.820 position beyond any reasonable doubt i think there's more than enough evidence here to build a

01:31:11.160 narrative that there's at least a reasonable doubt that these officers had that reasonable perception

01:31:16.480 the couple things there is a report now on this gun uh which was a sig sour p3 29 millimeter that

01:31:26.800 um this model according to rob dobar a lawyer for the minnesota gun owners caucus who believes that

01:31:32.240 this gun likely went off after the agent grabbed it and said he thinks it's highly likely the first shot

01:31:37.960 was a negligent discharge from the agent in the gray jacket um there is a report that this model

01:31:43.400 widely carried by armed civilians and u.s law enforcement has been the subject of more than

01:31:48.900 100 allegations that it has a defect that allows it to fire uncommanded this is the uh this is the

01:31:56.660 alec baldwin argument andrew right like i didn't pull the trigger no no no no i never pulled the trigger

01:32:02.500 the gun just went off but that this somehow went off uncommanded and you know if that's what happened

01:32:10.620 then my god this is a true true tragedy because somebody yelled gun the gun was retrieved it went

01:32:15.800 off uncommanded and then the other officers thought a gun had been fired which would probably lead most

01:32:22.260 cops to start firing themselves yeah that could readily be the case i mean this gun has that

01:32:25.960 reputation i don't know if it's true or not i want to make clear but uh the gun has a reputation

01:32:30.460 for uncommanded discharges the truth is if a car had backfired and it sounded like a gunshot the

01:32:37.420 officers would have been privileged to react as if there were a gunshot that was a reasonable

01:32:42.400 perception on this part this was in fact apparently a gun going off very close guns are extremely loud

01:32:48.440 it actually hurts your ears when the gun goes off uh within a few feet of you if you don't have

01:32:53.140 hearing protection on uh so it's a shocking disruptive kind of event uh that's why you see

01:32:58.580 all the officers jump create distance that's training as well you're supposed to get away from

01:33:02.920 what you think the weapon may be as quickly as possible it could be just a complete tragedy and

01:33:08.840 that the gun just went off by itself and that's what triggered made reasonable the officers perceptions

01:33:14.540 that a deadly force threat was in play can i just play this for you um cash patel said this

01:33:21.340 scott besson said something similar and uh it's getting a lot of blowback from the right from the

01:33:26.420 right sat 23 i mean thousands of people are marching through minneapolis they are targeting uh

01:33:32.560 the border patrol i mean it it feels like the rhetoric and the uh the protesting is only ramping up

01:33:40.240 what is your advice to the people right now who are outraged that this is a second killing at the

01:33:45.820 hands of border patrol in two weeks i guess christy said you cannot bring a firearm loaded with

01:33:53.740 multiple magazines to any sort of protest that you want it's that simple you don't have that right to

01:33:58.540 break the law and incite violence we will of course always protect your first amendment speech

01:34:03.320 and if you peacefully protest there is absolutely nothing wrong with that but you have seen a trend

01:34:08.300 here not just in minnesota but across the country in these protests turning into violent scenarios

01:34:13.720 and people attacking law enforcement that's when you go over the line and that's when law enforcement

01:34:18.160 steps in okay so the problem there is i'll get andrew to weigh in on this too dave but

01:34:23.220 you are allowed to bring a gun like minnesota is i think they allow concealed carry and this guy

01:34:31.860 wasn't doing anything wrong just by carrying a loaded gun i think we should be clear on that

01:34:37.080 yeah you got a rebuke from the nra on that one when the u.s attorney was saying the same thing

01:34:42.720 casper tell did and it is in direct contravention to what kyle rittenhouse was doing the same people

01:34:48.340 who are defending kyle rittenhouse are now saying you should never bring a gun

01:34:51.060 to these events well he had a permit for it so it was legal and he didn't brandish it not once

01:34:57.600 alex preddy alex preddy excuse me alex preddy never brandished it it was legal he had the permit

01:35:01.300 correct um if i could go back just to something that uh andrew said he um talked about the chain

01:35:08.980 of causation here about when the gun went off the sig because it may have a defect you can't claim

01:35:15.840 self-defense though based on a threat that you actually accidentally created so if a federal

01:35:20.560 agent was the one who mishandled the weapon or chose a firearm with a document uh documented history

01:35:26.500 of uh uncommanded discharges the resulting panic is a product of their own negligence not

01:35:32.300 preddy's actions they're not going to put officer b in jail for officer a if the officer a negligently

01:35:40.200 actually did discharge the firearm he pulled the trigger they're not going to hold that negligence

01:35:44.800 against officer b in determining what's a reasonable suspicion that you're about to be

01:35:48.840 well it could be negligence i mean in a civil suit i think that that argument would have merit in a

01:35:53.620 criminal prosecution no yep no okay so what do you what do you make of what cash patel said there

01:36:00.140 andrew because scott bessen said it too like the i do think it's kind of the issue here is not that he

01:36:05.520 had a gun on him like this is america you're allowed in virtually every place not new york city

01:36:10.480 where i spent the past 14 years uh but you're most places you can carry a gun including a loaded gun

01:36:15.840 that's not what this guy did wrong it was it went beyond and by the way the law is also generally in

01:36:21.440 the eighth circuit in particular an individual's mere possession of a firearm is not enough for an

01:36:26.120 officer to have probable cause to believe that individual poses an imminent threat of death or

01:36:29.960 seriously bodily injury the suspect suspect must also point the firearm at another individual

01:36:36.680 or take similar menacing action you heard dave use that term was he menacing um andrew and i think

01:36:44.180 that's where it's people who reduce it to oh no no he couldn't have been shot just for carrying a

01:36:50.440 loaded gun that's true that's he did more than that there was menacing well he did more than that he

01:36:57.000 committed a felony assault on the on the ice officer or their custom and border patrol officer

01:37:01.140 by by putting hands on him that's that's a federal felony you can't do that but it's not a problem with

01:37:06.000 the gun uh no no one was bothering him before he committed an attack on an officer nobody was

01:37:12.080 bothering him because he had a gun nobody shot him because he had a gun because he was exercising

01:37:17.060 a second amendment rights or had a couple spare magazines he got shot because he fought the police

01:37:21.920 he fought the law and the law won what about that dave because you know i i i know that they're

01:37:30.060 there these agitators believe some of them at least that they're doing good or they're doing some sort

01:37:34.700 of protective detail but like you as a former state's attorney know very well to interfere with

01:37:39.700 an active law enforcement operation is complete and utter folly you are endangering yourself the law

01:37:47.300 enforcement officers in the community and isn't that really what cost alex preddy his life he he

01:37:53.400 made a really foolish mistake he got in the in between law enforcement and this other woman who

01:38:00.920 was a protester that they were she was also in between them and their arrest to e that they were

01:38:06.160 trying to nab both of them inserted themselves and then he resisted arrest but he placed hands on the

01:38:11.520 officer and then resisted arrest am i wrong i could see the resisting arrest which would be a

01:38:15.640 misdemeanor under state law i don't see the felony assault against a federal agent if you look at the

01:38:22.000 video it shows pretty putting his arms around a woman who had just been shoved to the ground by

01:38:27.420 agents and he was facing the woman not the agents and so then uh then he was pepper sprayed and his

01:38:33.220 right hand was holding his his phone and the left hand was raised and so i don't think that's

01:38:38.320 assaulted behavior there it sounds like he was reacting to getting pepper sprayed for just trying to be a

01:38:43.160 good samaritan well you can't interfere with a lawful arrest and say you're doing it as a good

01:38:48.420 samaritan you're you're committing a crime if he's interfering with the arrest of the woman he's

01:38:52.440 committing a crime he puts hands on the officer that's a violation of 18 usc 111 impeding an officer

01:38:58.900 by contact that's good for eight years in federal prison but when i watched the video i didn't see

01:39:02.940 the officers arresting the woman i saw them push the woman to the ground and then he went to her aid

01:39:07.380 and then he got pepper sprayed and then it was okay well all i can do is suggest people look at

01:39:12.620 the video can we play the video again deb let's take another look at it

01:39:17.660 sorry for the whistle so they've shoved one person down to the ground

01:39:23.900 i'd narrate it better for the listening audience but it's so far away from me and it's such a tiny box

01:39:32.060 and all he has to do is lay a finger on the officer while he's obstructing all that's required

01:39:39.240 is contact not injury not injury just contact yeah well you don't see that you don't see contact

01:39:46.220 i see it as resisting which would be a misdemeanor under state law i don't see a felony assault there

01:39:52.160 because if you look at the circumstances he had just been pepper sprayed he has the phone up

01:39:56.000 and he's reacting to it yeah i think it doesn't matter like if he was if he wasn't committing a

01:40:03.660 felony but was inserting himself um in law enforcement faces and being antagonistic and

01:40:10.460 they were trying to get him out of the way and then he resisted them i mean the statutory language

01:40:16.680 the statutory language is you resist oppose or impede with contact that's all that's required

01:40:23.700 yeah but also okay even if he is it doesn't give you the license to kill there it doesn't give you

01:40:28.940 the license to shoot someone killed for that well right so that's why that's it's it's irrelevant

01:40:33.440 look i i think he did resist i do not think he committed felony assault i think if anything

01:40:38.400 it'd be a misdemeanor under state law but as far as but but just just so we're really clear on this

01:40:42.880 point he doesn't have to have committed felony assault for the police officers to be exonerated

01:40:46.600 and just just adding that in as yet another and that's that's correct because the question is as we

01:40:50.840 said from the beginning were the police officers in reasonable fear of their lives or serious bodily

01:40:56.440 harm and was it imminent and that's where i say they were not especially not the later shots but

01:41:01.640 especially when they saw his hands the whole time they were on top of him he never brandished his

01:41:05.700 weapon and they started shooting because they heard a gunfire which was because of their own doing

01:41:10.000 and so i i think you have to look at everything and that's why i think charges would be appropriate

01:41:14.300 here although again a conviction is far far from certain

01:41:18.080 how is it going to affect things if at all that christy noem is out there saying what are appear to

01:41:26.260 be untrue things about alex preddy and his presence there here's that 16b this looks like a situation

01:41:33.920 where an individual arrived at the scene to inflict maximum damage on individuals and to kill law

01:41:39.660 enforcement about hundreds of protesters then showed up at the scene they began to obstruct

01:41:46.820 and to assault law enforcement officers we saw objects being thrown at them including ice and other

01:41:52.940 objects and a rampant assault began and even an hsi officer agent's finger was bitten off

01:42:00.500 with respect to secretary noem it now looks like even ice agents are disputing that giving a statement to

01:42:07.340 bill malusion saying this is utterly unhelpful these statements have been quote catastrophic and

01:42:12.020 that they that they are fed up because overstating what's gone on you know in this case overstating

01:42:18.280 what alex preddy had intended is just undermining their credibility and now there's an open rift between

01:42:22.880 the two but does this play at all legally does this get brought up legally in any way go ahead dave

01:42:28.540 oh i think it does when it comes to the state seeking the evidence from the federal government i think

01:42:33.200 they're going to say that federal government's not acting in good faith therefore you have to order

01:42:37.320 them to turn over the evidence to us and normally when the feds say we are going to keep the evidence

01:42:43.360 and you don't get it it's because they're going to prosecute the case themselves not when they try to

01:42:47.660 protect the officer from the beginning this shows they're not trying to investigate they're trying

01:42:51.640 to cover up the actions of the officer she did not do the federal government of service or the federal

01:42:56.120 agents who i think would want the evidence to be turned over because something could be exculpatory

01:43:00.420 andrew i got 20 seconds left go ahead well i would just concur with that assessment it's

01:43:05.620 completely unhelpful it's very important for the administration to stick strictly to what is

01:43:09.580 demonstrably true and not engage in mind reading about people's motives when there's no evidence

01:43:14.500 to support it and it can lead to exactly the kind of arguments dave just raised

01:43:18.640 you can sense the frustration uh i mean i'm sure she was trying to have their back but there's a good

01:43:25.700 way of doing it and there's a not that great way of doing it we'll continue to follow it you guys

01:43:30.080 thank you learned a lot we appreciate it dave and andrew both we'll back tomorrow with ruthless we'll

01:43:34.860 see you then thanks for listening to the megan kelly show no bs no agenda and no fear

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The Megyn Kelly Show - January 26, 2026

Truth About Shooting in Minneapolis, and Shock Anti-ICE Network Details, w⧸ James O'Keefe, Dave Aronberg, and Andrew Branca ｜ Ep. 1238

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