The Megyn Kelly Show - Truth About Tennessee Expulsions, and Anti-Speech Activists on College Campuses, with Dennis Prager and Ian Haworth

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.060 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.260 Happy Good Friday and Passover to all who celebrate.

00:00:19.980 In just a bit, I'm going to be joined with Dennis Prager.

00:00:22.560 I'm so glad to have him here. My goodness, we need somebody with his brilliance

00:00:27.380 to help us sum up this historic week.

00:00:30.000 As we look at the state of America, not just after the arrest of former President Trump,

00:00:34.380 but the insanity with what is happening coast to coast now when it comes to free speech

00:00:39.800 and shutdowns of attempted speech and the Republicans in summonses trying to push back.

00:00:47.920 On that note, we begin today with a broadcast exclusive interview with Ian Howarth.

00:00:53.160 Ian was on a college campus this week from my own hometown

00:00:57.200 to talk about how free speech is being destroyed on college campuses.

00:01:00.740 It is not being respected, to put it mildly.

00:01:03.820 That is, before he was interrupted and shut down by angry protesters.

00:01:09.400 Ian is a columnist for The Washington Examiner and host of Off Limits.

00:01:13.760 And he joins me now. Ian, thank you for being here.

00:01:16.280 Thank you so much for having me.

00:01:17.140 So, you go to SUNY Albany.

00:01:19.360 That is where my dad taught for many years of my young life.

00:01:24.160 That's why we moved from Syracuse to Albany, so he could take that job.

00:01:27.220 I grew up a stone's throw from there in a small suburb called Del Mar

00:01:29.860 for my middle school and high school years.

00:01:33.380 And I'm appalled, appalled at how the people in this university that my dad loved behaved.

00:01:41.440 It was absolutely disgusting.

00:01:43.400 So, before we roll the tape, set it up for us.

00:01:46.140 Why were you there?

00:01:47.900 Well, I was there, ironically, to speak about the merits of free speech

00:01:51.060 and why free speech is dying on campus.

00:01:53.620 And so, honestly, if you were trying to demonstrate exactly what I was warning about,

00:01:56.660 you couldn't have planned it any better.

00:01:58.040 So, ironic, but really, really sad to see, as you said.

00:02:01.700 So, you go to speak about free speech.

00:02:03.400 And were you there on behalf of Turning Point USA or with TPUSA?

00:02:08.580 Yes. Yeah, I was invited by the Turning Point USA chapter at the University of Albany.

00:02:13.400 So, do you think that was what flagged for them that you'd be a fun person to protest?

00:02:20.300 Yeah, I think it's one of many things.

00:02:21.800 One is, obviously, there's a lot of attention around TPUSA because they dare to go on college

00:02:25.700 campuses and speak vague truths sometimes.

00:02:29.180 And people on the left don't tend to like that on campus.

00:02:32.240 There's also the idea that I'm a transphobe.

00:02:34.100 I think a lot of people saw signs with my face on it, did a very, very quick Google search,

00:02:38.020 and saw that I, for example, support biological reality and I oppose the mutilation of children.

00:02:44.060 And that really is all it took to set people off.

00:02:46.120 I think the transgender issue is what they claim to be at the center of this protest.

00:02:50.840 I think a lot of it is they simply don't like any idea that goes against theirs.

00:02:54.120 And this is just one of many examples that we're seeing on college campuses today.

00:02:57.420 Sometimes it seems to me they don't know what they're protesting.

00:03:00.240 They want to be like the civil rights protesters, but they really have no beef.

00:03:04.820 So, they show up there and they chant some vague slogan and somehow they feel powerful.

00:03:10.720 You got up there, tried to speak to, who invited you?

00:03:13.920 Like, what group were you speaking to?

00:03:16.040 It was the Turning Point USA group.

00:03:18.240 Okay, so it was that chapter on the college campus.

00:03:20.940 So, they're there.

00:03:21.800 And how many people were in the room, would you say?

00:03:24.220 Oh, I'd say well over 100.

00:03:26.660 It was packed to capacity.

00:03:28.440 I think they were worried about the fire code at one point.

00:03:30.620 But it was also hard to know how many were protesters and how many people were there,

00:03:33.580 not who necessarily agreed with me, but just wanted to hear me speak and ask questions.

00:03:37.060 The Q&A is always the fun bit once I'm done talking.

00:03:39.380 And I'm very open and ask people who disagree with me to come forward and ask questions.

00:03:43.140 And so, there are a lot of people there hoping to actually engage in debate.

00:03:46.640 I got a lot of messages afterwards of people apologizing for the behavior,

00:03:49.700 but also saying how disappointed they were that they couldn't actually engage in the debate

00:03:53.280 that I think is so sorely needed.

00:03:55.900 So, this is just a bit of video of what happened to you

00:03:59.140 by these so-called activists who tried to shut you down.

00:04:02.120 This is one free speech.

00:04:15.080 I'm sorry, just an anecdotal observation, but why are the people who do this almost universally unattractive?

00:04:39.660 I'm sorry, but it's true.

00:04:41.100 Well, I think what's so strange is that they all rely on just either empty threats or really ad hominem attacks.

00:04:48.160 Nothing else.

00:04:48.680 There was no substance.

00:04:49.660 The only thing that was even vaguely ideological was the fact they were saying trans rights are human rights,

00:04:53.400 but no one could explain what trans rights are.

00:04:56.000 Honestly, I think the funniest chant was no cops, no KKK, no TPUSA when I'm a Jewish immigrant.

00:05:01.320 And I don't think the KKK are exactly falling over themselves who invite me to be in any way affiliated with them.

00:05:07.220 And so, there was just no basis to truth in anything they said, but it was just all fueled by anger.

00:05:12.300 But also, if we're all Nazis, as they say we are, they didn't exactly pause when they were shoveling the pizza provided by TPUSA down their throats.

00:05:21.320 And so, really, there was no basis of reality to anything they were pushing.

00:05:25.400 It was just children having a tantrum.

00:05:27.260 And I think it says a lot about really the college environment that they are allowed to behave this way and get away with it.

00:05:33.020 I don't think anything is actually going to happen from this.

00:05:35.120 It's just another example of shutting down free speech.

00:05:37.180 And in some ways, they were successful.

00:05:39.780 I'm sorry.

00:05:40.220 Some of those people could have used a break from pizza.

00:05:42.680 They did not need extra calories.

00:05:44.360 I'm just going to call it out.

00:05:45.940 It's universal.

00:05:47.360 They're always unattractive.

00:05:48.780 They're bitter.

00:05:49.380 It's the same people who are the masked Nazis who wanted us to cover up our faces forever.

00:05:53.660 And they're working out their issues on people like you who are trying to spark good faith debates on very difficult issues, which is exactly how we historically have worked through those issues.

00:06:04.480 I understand that in addition to their pizza shoveling, they decided it might be a good idea to burn or tear up a Bible.

00:06:12.380 What did they do to the Bible?

00:06:14.020 Yeah, so one of the TPUSA members had a Bible with them.

00:06:17.320 And one of the protesters decided to tear it up because that's what free speech means to them.

00:06:22.380 I think it just shows really at the core of it.

00:06:24.080 They don't care about free speech.

00:06:25.460 This is just about bullying people off campus.

00:06:27.340 Again, destruction of property is a crime, but I doubt anything will happen here.

00:06:31.340 One can only imagine what would happen if it was, say, a different religion and their prayer books were being torn up.

00:06:37.200 I think it just demonstrates so many levels right now.

00:06:40.060 Right.

00:06:40.180 If something had happened to the Koran, can you imagine?

00:06:42.120 We've seen that in the past.

00:06:43.080 They say students attended the event as a peaceful demonstration of queer solidarity and joy and that their rights to free speech were denied when authorities later removed them so the event could continue.

00:06:56.780 That they were the ones disenfranchised, Ian, once the authorities said, get out.

00:07:01.440 I mean, it's just the victim card, isn't it, is that they present themselves as victims because they're victims of speech.

00:07:08.660 Speech and violence emerge together so they can use really violent threats, violent actions to defend themselves supposedly against speech.

00:07:15.320 And then when consequences come down upon them, as they do for any adult behaving this way, then suddenly they're the victims.

00:07:21.880 They fundamentally don't really know what free speech is, but even if they did, they do not care.

00:07:26.240 It doesn't matter what kind of person I am.

00:07:27.800 It doesn't actually matter whether or not any of their accusations of me are true or false.

00:07:31.480 Anyone who is invited by a college chapter to a public school specifically as well has the right to speak.

00:07:37.960 And they don't have to listen.

00:07:39.660 They certainly have the right to protest.

00:07:41.820 I actually supported their right to protest.

00:07:43.340 I think it's great that anyone is engaged in the political space with any passion.

00:07:46.800 The problem is, is when they try to use the heckler's veto to really threaten people, bully people into not speaking, into not hearing other ideas.

00:07:54.100 That's when they cross the line.

00:07:55.200 Did you try to speak at the microphone and this is what you were met with?

00:07:59.160 No, actually, we were talking about that.

00:08:02.000 I was backstage this whole time listening to one of the many glorious insults.

00:08:05.660 I've heard better ones since I was five years old, honestly.

00:08:07.720 So it wasn't all that offensive.

00:08:09.360 But we were speaking with the law enforcement there and various administration.

00:08:13.640 They didn't want me to go out because they just thought it would rile people up more.

00:08:16.640 They were trying to calm the situation down.

00:08:18.320 But really, the horse had bolted on that issue.

00:08:21.120 I've been in other college campuses where protests have tried to happen.

00:08:23.920 And University of New Mexico is a clear example where they had a lot of protection before the speech.

00:08:29.840 And that's really what you've got to do.

00:08:30.940 Once you've got people dancing a conga line around the room, spitting in people's faces, all these kind of things, you can't really bring that back.

00:08:38.980 And so the horse had bolted.

00:08:39.960 I think it was quite clear that the speech wasn't going to go ahead in that room.

00:08:42.560 And so we were forced to go to a different room under police escort and police protection during the second event, which was just ridiculous.

00:08:49.680 This has to happen on a college campus in the United States.

00:08:52.000 It's just absurd.

00:08:53.960 How many security guards did it take to get this thing under control ultimately?

00:08:57.780 I don't actually know.

00:08:58.920 It wasn't that many.

00:09:00.180 We only, I think, had, I would say, under a dozen police officers in the end.

00:09:04.660 I certainly wasn't sufficient.

00:09:05.900 I think questions need to be asked of the college in terms of preparation and looking forward to the future, this happening elsewhere.

00:09:13.520 Because if things had gotten more out of hand, I'm not sure there were enough people to really hold it back.

00:09:17.180 And that's the danger here.

00:09:18.360 It's very easy for me.

00:09:19.420 I fly in, I give a speech, and then I was out the next day.

00:09:22.240 But a lot of these conservative students, not even conservative, students who just want to engage, they are these people's neighbors.

00:09:27.920 They share dorm rooms and dorm buildings with these people.

00:09:31.140 They're under threat.

00:09:31.960 Every single day, we had multiple people in the chapter reaching out to me saying they'd been threatened online, that they were harassed after the event.

00:09:39.220 This is an ongoing problem.

00:09:40.500 It's all very well talking about the videos that get a lot of attention on social media.

00:09:44.040 But this is an ongoing daily reality for so many people on college, and it needs to get really addressed.

00:09:50.100 In a minute, Dennis Prager is going to come on.

00:09:51.380 We're going to talk about what just happened to Riley Gaines, the swimmer who came in.

00:09:55.180 She tied Leah Thomas at the NCAA event.

00:09:58.300 And what just happened to her was similar, only, I dare say, even worse.

00:10:01.520 She was physically assaulted, say, Riley and her team.

00:10:05.960 This university, again, SUNY Albany, again, you point out taxpayer funded.

00:10:11.000 I mean, my mom still lives in the state of New York.

00:10:12.880 That's my mother's tax dollars paying for them to shout you down.

00:10:17.960 And on behalf of my mother, I think I can safely say we object.

00:10:21.780 I grew up my whole life in New York.

00:10:23.220 This is absolutely disgusting.

00:10:25.320 And New York has got a healthy collection, by the way, of conservatives in it.

00:10:28.140 Both upstate New York is more red-leaning, Staten Island, Long Island.

00:10:32.100 It's not all.

00:10:32.840 And western New York is more right-leaning.

00:10:34.940 This is not a universally blue town.

00:10:38.140 And so how dare they just drown out the voices of half the state?

00:10:41.680 That's why New York used to have Republican governors.

00:10:43.440 So the university is saying, in a statement given to Fox News, we expect members of our community to be able to voice their views in a manner that promotes constructive dialogue and honors the University of Albany's commitment to freedom of expression.

00:10:56.900 That, to me, sounds like a box check, right?

00:10:58.640 Like, okay, we want to honor the commitment to freedom of expression.

00:11:03.320 They go on to say, we are equally committed to fostering an environment in which all students feel safe and included and that the right to protest is also protected.

00:11:15.920 What do you make of that, Ian?

00:11:16.840 To me, it sounds like weak sauce.

00:11:19.440 Yes.

00:11:19.780 I mean, they're also making a strong argument.

00:11:21.560 No one is arguing against their right to protest.

00:11:23.400 That was never the issue.

00:11:24.780 No one, as part of the TPSJ chapter, and certainly not me, said that these people should not be protesting.

00:11:30.280 Many of them welcomed it.

00:11:31.120 Many of them thought it was good that we were actually engaging in a debate on an important issue.

00:11:34.660 And so I think the college is engaging in a lot of the protesters' rhetoric by claiming that they are under threat, that they don't feel safe.

00:11:41.520 Words do not make you feel unsafe when you're just talking about a political issue.

00:11:44.600 And certainly not someone who's really not that controversial.

00:11:47.380 People seem to think I'm an evil, transphobic, hateful person.

00:11:51.960 I'm really not.

00:11:52.440 If you actually listen to a lot of my speeches, I've talked in favor of compassion for a lot of transgender people in this political issue.

00:11:59.140 But again, it doesn't matter.

00:12:00.980 This isn't about making people feel safe.

00:12:02.820 It's really about, as you said, ticking the box so that these protesters won't push any harder.

00:12:07.120 And a lot of these colleges are being held hostage by these students.

00:12:09.500 And that needs to change.

00:12:10.860 Otherwise, they're just being rewarded for this.

00:12:12.780 If they can get away with shutting down speech, making people feel uncomfortable.

00:12:16.280 We're talking about feeling safe.

00:12:17.500 Do you think these conservative students on campus feel safe?

00:12:19.900 I don't think so.

00:12:20.400 Right. What about them?

00:12:21.140 Right. Exactly right.

00:12:21.780 So was there a dean?

00:12:22.660 You know, we saw in the Stanford protests, there was that dean who got up and tried to lecture the judge about, is the juice worth the squeeze?

00:12:29.900 Was there any sort of faculty presence here trying to rein in these protesters?

00:12:35.340 There were a couple of members.

00:12:36.640 I didn't really get to speak to them.

00:12:38.200 They were working with TPUSA and law enforcement.

00:12:40.920 But again, they didn't really do much.

00:12:44.120 We talked a couple of times about, were they like, they asked me if I wanted to move rooms.

00:12:47.740 I said, not really.

00:12:48.400 I don't want to move anywhere.

00:12:49.540 I don't want to really give an inch to these people.

00:12:52.220 Eventually, we were forced to under advisement of law enforcement.

00:12:54.540 But beyond trying to find solutions, the solution was removing the students who were being disruptive.

00:12:59.700 In my mind, that was the solution.

00:13:00.960 But it was quite clear they didn't want to do that.

00:13:02.600 And I think that's, again, the issue is that conservatives and people in the middle who just want to engage in discussion always have to make a step back.

00:13:10.440 And that just encourages the people who are being violent, the people who are being aggressive, to keep stepping forward.

00:13:15.080 That's the issue.

00:13:16.460 Moving to another room, yeah, solves it in the short term.

00:13:19.220 But half the people left because they felt under threat.

00:13:21.900 And I understand quite considerably why they felt under threat.

00:13:25.140 People were spitting in their faces, swearing at them, flipping them off.

00:13:28.060 It was really awful to watch.

00:13:30.320 And so the damage was done.

00:13:31.820 They achieved their goal.

00:13:33.480 And so having the speech carry on afterwards is good, yes.

00:13:37.200 But again, they achieved their ultimate mission was to shut down speech and to limit the distribution of that speech.

00:13:42.020 And if that doesn't change, then I don't see this issue really.

00:13:45.120 I see this issue growing, and we'll see it on more campuses every single day.

00:13:48.640 As we are.

00:13:49.360 Yeah, well, you could hear some of the profanity, some of the vulgarity, just the classless base behavior that these people were engaging in.

00:13:57.020 I'm glad that unlike in some instances, you finally were able to speak.

00:14:00.620 But by that point, as you point out, some of your people who wanted to hear you had gone home.

00:14:04.460 They were under threat.

00:14:05.340 The event was not what it was meant to be.

00:14:07.500 Now, here's the perfect irony.

00:14:09.020 I mean, it's perfect, Ian.

00:14:10.000 Now, these students are upset.

00:14:15.280 This is from the Daily Mail.

00:14:17.280 After quoting a number of rules in the student handbook, they claimed were violated in the removal of themselves, these dancing and screaming students from this lecture.

00:14:25.700 The group demanded that the university install a number of gender-affirming measures.

00:14:31.540 Here we go.

00:14:32.360 Here it is.

00:14:32.940 They also asked that any pictures or videos of them at the protest be removed from the Internet.

00:14:39.140 So, on that note, let's please run the video again so we can get yet another look at these whiny babies who put themselves out there and now don't want their faces and bodies seen for very clear reasons.

00:14:51.660 We'll put it on the screen again.

00:14:52.740 Let's watch it one more time so that these children can understand the consequences of their actions.

00:14:57.320 We'll put it on the screen.

00:15:27.300 Let's hire people like this.

00:15:28.740 These are people who are going to be going out into the workforce in the not-too-distant future and even in the face of this behavior want to paint themselves the victims, Ian.

00:15:36.360 Well, I don't think we have to worry about them going to the workforce.

00:15:38.860 I'm not sure they really qualify for much except doing this and eating pizza and screaming about it.

00:15:43.360 But, again, just the fact that they say this is what queer rage looks like, this is what queer joy looks like, they're very proud of it when they feel like they're safe, when they're behind the shield of the campus or the shield of the situation.

00:15:52.960 But the moment someone shines even the smallest light on their behavior, they're embarrassed.

00:15:57.760 They want to really recede back into the shadows.

00:16:00.420 They want to claim themselves to be a victim.

00:16:01.820 You can't have both.

00:16:02.860 Either you enter the public space and you engage in this behavior and you have to face the consequences.

00:16:06.840 I was told by the TPUSA chapter that one of the students that was arrested slapped a cop.

00:16:11.220 There are consequences for what you do in life.

00:16:13.700 And if you assault a police officer, that's going to come to consequences.

00:16:16.480 These people are just children who have been coddled into the idea that they can do quite literally whatever they want.

00:16:20.500 I mean, ultimately, we've seen Democrats endorse burning down cities and being called mostly peaceful.

00:16:25.600 So I'm not really surprised that people are describing this as peaceful.

00:16:28.520 The whole notion of peace doesn't really have any real definition anymore.

00:16:31.780 But, again, they're just children who are used to getting away with anything.

00:16:34.760 And when someone even gives them the smallest slap on the wrist, they really quiver in fear.

00:16:38.600 They just can't quite believe it.

00:16:40.820 This reminds me of one of the protests at Northwestern.

00:16:43.840 It was either undergrad or law school.

00:16:45.480 And it was a member of the Bush administration who went to speak there.

00:16:48.400 And all these people came out to protest and shut the person down.

00:16:52.440 It might have been Condi Rice.

00:16:53.260 I'm trying to test my memory.

00:16:54.860 And they went to try to shut down the speech and protested.

00:16:59.000 And the journalism school at Northwestern, that's what it was.

00:17:03.360 It was Medill, went out there, covered the protests, did interviews with people, took shots of people who were out there doing the protest.

00:17:09.960 And then they complained that they were being photographed and that their pictures were in the newspaper.

00:17:16.020 And that the quotes they gave actual journalists trying to document the event were used in the newspaper.

00:17:21.400 And Medill, the journalism school at Northwestern, backed down, apologized.

00:17:26.800 They were sorry that they put the people's public behavior out in front of the public eye.

00:17:31.140 I mean, the infantile mentality that we are dealing with here needs to be absolutely eradicated.

00:17:39.040 No one can take the knee.

00:17:40.380 They need to be fought.

00:17:41.280 They need to be defeated.

00:17:42.700 This is absolutely disgusting behavior.

00:17:44.460 And that's why I'm glad you stood up to them.

00:17:45.880 I'm glad you ultimately did get to give some remarks to some people who are there.

00:17:50.040 And happy to have hosted you this morning so that we can get the good word out.

00:17:53.260 Thank you for fighting the good fight.

00:17:55.360 Thank you so much for having me.

00:17:56.160 I really appreciate it.

00:17:57.720 Unbelievable.

00:17:58.040 All right.

00:17:59.060 When we come back, Dennis Prager is here.

00:18:01.000 And we are going to get into not only what happened to Riley Gaines, which is disgusting,

00:18:05.260 but what happened with these lawmakers down in Tennessee who the mainstream media right now

00:18:10.020 is painting as these poor, innocent victims who got expelled from the Tennessee legislature.

00:18:16.980 Well, we'll take a deep dive in exactly why they got the boot.

00:18:20.120 And it had nothing to do with skin color.

00:18:22.260 Stay tuned.

00:18:22.720 My guest now, Dennis Prager, host of the Dennis Prager Show and co-founder of PragerU, one

00:18:32.980 of my favorite, favorite people on earth to talk to.

00:18:35.380 Always full of unique insights and wisdom.

00:18:38.000 Dennis, great to have you.

00:18:39.340 I'm so fired up.

00:18:40.660 We begin the show with what happened at SUNY Albany, State University of New York at Albany,

00:18:44.900 my hometown, with these disgusting students shouting down Ian, who was just there to talk

00:18:51.220 about free speech.

00:18:52.500 They say he's a transpho because, as he points out, he believes in biological reality and he's

00:18:56.680 against the medical mutilation of children.

00:18:59.780 So he's not allowed to speak.

00:19:01.320 And their profanity, their vulgarity.

00:19:03.860 But what happened to Ian, with respect to him, pales in comparison to what happened to

00:19:08.840 poor Riley Gaines.

00:19:10.720 Riley's done nothing wrong, even arguably.

00:19:14.900 Riley is a competitive swimmer who was in college and was racing in the NCAA tournament

00:19:21.420 against man Leah Thomas.

00:19:25.340 Leah Thomas, who is a man who is masquerading as a woman.

00:19:28.180 The Daily Wire has done great reporting on how Leah Thomas's real issues relate to getting

00:19:32.220 off on the feeling of being in women's clothing.

00:19:34.960 So it's a sex thing for Leah Bell, as Jason Whitlock calls Leah.

00:19:39.780 Yeah. And Leah raced against Riley, who's an actual woman, and they tied in third place

00:19:47.060 in one of the one of the NCAA races.

00:19:49.660 They did not let Riley have the trophy for the photo op.

00:19:54.400 They didn't explain it.

00:19:55.700 They just said, we want Leah to have it.

00:19:57.400 So Riley, the biological woman, gets shoved to the sidelines without the trophy and Leah

00:20:01.640 gets all the glory.

00:20:02.580 And that was just the one race.

00:20:03.760 I mean, Leah went on to win and set records as a, quote, woman in several others.

00:20:09.940 So now Riley Gaines has gone from university to university, and she's finding her voice

00:20:14.060 speaking out about this, saying this is wrong.

00:20:17.040 What what is happening to women's sports?

00:20:19.480 And one of the places she just went was San Francisco State University.

00:20:23.280 Good to her.

00:20:24.080 Good for her.

00:20:25.040 I'm sure she knew there'd be some pushback, but she's brave.

00:20:27.900 She goes and not only was she shouted down, Dennis, but the reports by by Riley, her husband

00:20:37.600 and others, the Independent Women's Forum, who was supporting her there, say she was hit

00:20:43.740 multiple times by a guy in a dress that she was physically assaulted.

00:20:50.200 Riley says, I was ambushed, physically hit twice by a man and violently accosted and ambushed.

00:20:57.180 Here is the videotape, in part, of Riley trying to get out of there under police protection.

00:21:02.240 It's just me.

00:21:03.240 I'm good.

00:21:04.240 I'm good.

00:21:05.240 I'm good.

00:21:06.240 I'm good.

00:21:07.240 I'm good.

00:21:08.240 I'm good.

00:21:09.240 I'm coming.

00:21:10.240 I'm good.

00:21:11.240 I'm good.

00:21:12.240 I'm good.

00:21:13.240 I'm good.

00:21:14.240 I'm good.

00:21:15.240 I'm good.

00:21:16.240 I'm good.

00:21:17.240 I'm good.

00:21:18.240 I'm good.

00:21:19.240 You're crying.

00:21:20.240 You're fucking crying, bitch.

00:21:21.240 Fuck you.

00:21:22.240 Transwomen are women.

00:21:33.240 Dennis, it's infuriating. And it makes me want, as you always say, to fight. I mean,

00:21:48.480 not just to comment on these cases, but to fight, to actively fight these lunatics.

00:21:55.320 Well, it's great to be with you, Megan. There is so much to be said. We could actually do the

00:22:00.720 entire time together on this because it is enormous. Let's begin with the end. Trans women

00:22:06.500 are women. So they are stating that something profoundly false is true. And the society is

00:22:17.900 supposed to accept that. I read much of Orwell. He would be shocked at what has actually transpired

00:22:26.700 in the West, that there are students at a university with the backing, I would say,

00:22:31.060 of most of their professors, that biological men are women, that men give birth, men menstruate.

00:22:37.480 I don't know if you know this, Megan. You'll get a big kick out of this. I was on Bill Maher's show

00:22:41.660 in the fall of 2019, right before the lockdowns. By the way, I never say before COVID. I say before

00:22:48.320 lockdowns, after lockdowns. COVID is not the issue. The lockdowns are. I was on the show. By the way,

00:22:54.400 all of your viewers and listeners can watch this. It's on YouTube. It's gone viral.

00:22:59.580 And he, I, he was talking about Donald Trump as a liar. And I said, it doesn't compare to the left's

00:23:04.800 lies. And he said, like what? I said, like America is systemically racist. That is a, that is a grand

00:23:10.320 lie, a big lie. So is that men menstruate. And he started laughing. The panel I was with started laughing

00:23:18.800 and the entire audience started laughing. And he looked at me. You, anyone can watch it. It's on

00:23:24.640 YouTube. Just do Dennis Prager, Bill Maher, uh, men menstruate. And he said, who says that?

00:23:33.460 To say that men can menstruate is a lie. And that is now, that is what is said.

00:23:39.540 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, where did that? I never heard it. You never heard it. Okay. Check

00:23:44.760 it out folks. This is 2019. This is three and a half years ago. And now if you don't say that

00:23:53.760 you are a transphobe within two years, it went from absurd to absurd. If you deny it, that is the

00:24:02.280 impact, uh, of, of leftist, uh, new speak, uh, on the American people. Another comment, Riley Gaines

00:24:11.280 is a hero. Good cannot be accomplished without courage. And it is the rarest of the human traits

00:24:18.760 courage. There are many nice people. There are many kind people. There are many honest people.

00:24:23.500 There are extremely few courageous people, but good is not dependent upon people being nice as nice as that

00:24:30.140 is. It depends on people being courageous. Hmm. She's young. She, it took a lot. You remember

00:24:37.800 they told the students who were at UPenn on Leah Thomas's swim team, you go to therapy. If you can't

00:24:45.480 get behind Leah Thomas, you need therapy. You're not, Leah is not the problem you and your mental

00:24:51.040 faculties are. So most of those women stayed silent. And if they spoke out at all, they did so anonymously.

00:24:56.780 They were worried about not getting jobs after graduation, if they spoke up for themselves. So

00:25:01.040 for her to do this is very brave. And maybe you expect you're going to get some shouting,

00:25:06.440 some protesting. You don't expect you're going to be physically assaulted by some trans activist

00:25:13.140 who is a man, who's a man assaulting a woman for standing up for women's rights.

00:25:18.480 That's correct. She is the outlier. All good is done by outliers. These kids are as scary as it gets.

00:25:30.060 I'm going to say something which will probably get picked up by the left. But like you, you and I are

00:25:37.720 kindred spirits. One has to say what is true and let the chips fall where they may. These kids remind

00:25:45.000 me of Soviet and Nazi youth groups. I'm not comparing them to concentration camp guards

00:25:50.500 or saying they want to open up an Auschwitz. But if you look at, uh, at what Hitler youth did prior to

00:25:58.180 1939 in the thirties, when there still was no Holocaust taking place, the way they would disrupt

00:26:04.200 anyone who spoke against Hitler, the, you would, if, if, if I showed people that video without sound

00:26:11.660 and said, Oh, you know, this is taking place at San Francisco state. Nobody would think a second

00:26:18.480 about, Oh yeah. Oh, the only odd thing would be, they, they were probably dressed a little more

00:26:22.920 formally than those today. By the way, you commented on, on those in the video, uh, who were screaming and,

00:26:29.680 you know, uh, doing the F you with their finger, their middle finger at the camera. Uh, I, I would

00:26:38.060 like to make another point on this that I wrote about and I documented the disproportionate role of

00:26:44.080 women in hurting this society. Uh, uh, they are the major activists among physicians and psychologists,

00:26:52.500 uh, uh, for, uh, uh, the castrating of boys, uh, the, uh, hormone blockers and the, uh, even the,

00:27:00.260 the mastectomies with regard to girls. Uh, they are, uh, overwhelmingly the DEI, uh, administrators

00:27:08.260 at colleges. And if you saw the demonstration again, it was overwhelmingly female. There is a, uh,

00:27:15.860 I would, I would say this when I was at college, when I was at college, late sixties, early seventies,

00:27:23.180 long time ago, that's when they came up with the slogan, a woman without a man is like a fish

00:27:29.320 without a bicycle. Well, it turns out that to a large extent, a woman without a man is not a fish

00:27:36.020 without a bicycle, but a fish without water. And if people think that sexist, let me make something

00:27:41.580 very clear. I think that a man without a woman is like a fish without water. So, uh, we need each

00:27:49.060 other and that is not acknowledged. Uh, but if you look at the damage being done disproportionately by

00:27:56.180 women in academia and in medicine and on college campuses, somebody needs to explain something.

00:28:03.140 You know, this is one of the reasons why I really object to what's happening in schools,

00:28:09.040 especially girls schools like my own. I I'm fighting actively against any of this trans

00:28:15.320 indoctrination because I do think that young girls, prepubescent tweens into teens are very

00:28:23.440 empathetic creatures. They just are in it's sweet and it's to their credit. And I actually like that

00:28:29.440 women tend to be more emotional human beings. It's one of the things that makes us beautiful,

00:28:32.700 but these activists and in many cases, activist teachers exploit it to shove their own agenda down

00:28:40.600 the throats of these girls, whether it's on the trans stuff or allegedly saying you're a bad person

00:28:44.760 unless you see America is racist things along those lines. And so I almost feel like where the boys are

00:28:50.600 a little tougher, they come into the world just a little, I don't know, maybe it's the way they're

00:28:53.600 raised from the beginning. Maybe it's thousands of years of evolution. Uh, but I, I feel like they're a

00:28:57.900 little bit better at just being like, whatever. And the girls are more tenderhearted and need to be

00:29:03.300 protected against this nonsense indoctrination vigilantly. Otherwise they turn into these DEI

00:29:09.620 directors you're talking about. I've been saying for all of my life that parents made a terrible

00:29:16.100 mistake only teaching their sons self-control. Every parent teaches virtually every parent. There's no

00:29:22.560 such thing as every virtually every parent teaches their son to control two parts of his nature,

00:29:29.500 his sexual predatory nature, which comes naturally to males and his aggressive nature, physically

00:29:36.580 aggressive. So I've asked people on my radio show, my call, my radio show of 40 years, my laboratory

00:29:43.560 of humans. That's where I study humans. People call me and I talk to them and I've asked many times.

00:29:50.620 So you all taught your sons to control their natures. Did you teach your daughters equally

00:29:57.260 to control their natures? And I get a sort of a blank stare. Why do girls have to control?

00:30:04.880 Well, just as much as boys do in their case, the ability of emotions slash feelings to dominate them.

00:30:13.060 It's not good for the girl and it's not good for society for two or three generations since world war

00:30:19.480 two. Parents have focused only on boys controlling their natures, not on their girls.

00:30:25.620 It's so true. I talk to my daughter about this all the time. She's a tender heart. She's tough,

00:30:30.000 but she's a tender heart. And I'll talk to her about the difference between having empathy for

00:30:34.080 someone who's going through something and taking it on as your own. You know, I'll say that's not your

00:30:40.020 upset, honey. That is not your upset. Life will deal you plenty of upset that is yours,

00:30:45.460 that you don't have to start borrowing it from other people. Um, and you know, having a moral

00:30:51.240 code is important in figuring out what is warrant, what, what deserves your upset and what doesn't

00:30:57.140 as well. Who are the real victims here? Is Riley gains the victim or are these activists with the

00:31:02.500 middle finger saying you fucking cry and you've, I'm sorry, but this, um, that's, that's, you've

00:31:06.940 fucking cried like interface because you know, you're not allowed to have the so-called white tears.

00:31:11.080 That's what joy read tells us. Um, if you're a white woman crying in response to vicious activism,

00:31:17.360 that's a no, no as well. Uh, is she the victim, right? Is the, is, is the aggressor and, and really

00:31:23.180 the moral code requires your children to make that distinction really clearly. So here's an interesting

00:31:29.100 question in light of, of all of this. I pose this often on my radio show. Does the left make you

00:31:36.140 meaner or do mean people naturally gravitate to the left? I'm not talking liberals. I always make

00:31:43.360 a distinction between liberalism and leftism. And I believe the answer is both. I think that

00:31:50.380 when you are a leftist, you are more likely to be cruel. And I believe that the cruel are more likely

00:31:58.060 to gravitate toward leftism. Obviously there are cruel people all over the political spectrum,

00:32:02.860 but I'm making a generalization that I believe holds true. When I speak, uh, to young people

00:32:10.840 who've seen PragerU videos or on their own or, or watched me or Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro or you

00:32:18.320 or so many others, and they get influenced and they, and they move toward conservatism. Every single one,

00:32:26.040 this is fascinating, has said to me, I became a better human being when I left the left.

00:32:32.860 Hmm. You know, on your point about the women, Clay Travis and I were having an exchange about this

00:32:40.020 the other day, just privately. I don't, I'm sure he won't mind me sharing it. He probably wound up

00:32:44.780 tweeting about it, but he was saying, why, why is it only like, why have we lionized all these men

00:32:54.300 who masquerade as women? They declare themselves trans. They come over into our lane, like Dylan Mulvaney

00:33:00.060 and women just allow it.

00:33:02.860 Women sit back and say, yay, yay, good. You got the Drew Barrymore down on the knee and it never

00:33:07.860 happens the other way. So forget even take sports out of it, right? Like women who transitioned to

00:33:13.600 male, like a Chaz Bono, right? Formerly Chastity. Yes. Chaz Bono went on dancing with the stars,

00:33:20.820 did a little stint and that was done, but you can't really name anyone other than that. Who's

00:33:26.980 transitioned the other way and been totally lionized by men and had brand sponsorships showered upon them

00:33:36.420 the way we see every day with this Dylan Mulvaney. So why do women allow it? The thing with Dylan

00:33:43.000 Mulvaney has crossed over into minstrelsy, right? Is that the word? It's now a minstrel show by a man

00:33:51.920 masquerading as a woman and we are allowing it and even cheering it.

00:33:58.920 Why women allow it is, is very clear. Uh, leftism has dictated that you cannot take a stance against

00:34:05.720 this. I have also said this all of my life. Uh, feminist groups as a general rule, couldn't care

00:34:12.160 less about women. Feminist groups care about women as much as the communists cared about workers.

00:34:18.840 Every, every left-wing group uses a group for power and to undo society. They don't really give a

00:34:26.960 damn about the group. Most feminist groups don't give a damn about women. This is proof. This is not a

00:34:32.760 hint. This is not an implication. This is a proof. Most black groups don't give a damn about blacks

00:34:39.100 and you, you go down the line. They are leftists. That's all they are. And they use the group in

00:34:46.320 whose name they speak to further their power. Why don't more women speak up? Well, because they're

00:34:55.480 afraid and fear is the most powerful human emotion. Look at how people accepted the ruining of their

00:35:02.480 children for two years because damn experts and damn teachers unions said they shouldn't go to

00:35:08.540 school and they, they accepted it. And they're not angry at the schools or teachers or teachers unions

00:35:15.460 to this day. By the way, in that regard, teachers unions care about students as much as black groups

00:35:23.660 care about blacks and feminist groups care about women. It's, it's, it's a universal of the left.

00:35:29.880 Just, just, just a personal note. This was my field of study. I was at Columbia university school of

00:35:36.080 international affairs. My specialty was communism in the entire university. There were seven of us,

00:35:42.000 I believe who majored in, in what was called communist affairs. I've been studying the left all of my life.

00:35:48.660 I never, never even imagined it. It wasn't even raised as a possibility that my background in reading

00:35:57.140 Pravda and in studying communism would prepare me for what is happening in the United States of

00:36:02.760 America. We are moving. And I mean this literally, I would happily take a lie detector test. Dennis

00:36:09.280 Prager, do you think you're exaggerating? We are moving to being like the Soviet union.

00:36:14.240 Victor Davis Hanson is saying the same thing. And he's as studied as you are. I mean, he's seeing

00:36:20.800 a lot of the same parallels and people like you who have actually studied history are, are jumping up

00:36:26.440 and down saying, trust me, like there's a precedent for this. It doesn't end well. So let me pivot to

00:36:32.600 what's happening in Tennessee because it folds perfectly in line with what we're discussing. In Tennessee,

00:36:38.300 this story is going to be all over the news today and over the weekend. And already, you know, David

00:36:45.060 Marcus, who I like, he's a writer. He writes for daily wire and New York post and other publications.

00:36:49.820 He he's been saying the left will pump this up and the right will ignore it. I don't think this should

00:36:54.340 be ignored by anybody. This is an outrageous story and it's about pushback on out of bounds behavior by

00:37:00.840 protesters in the Tennessee case. Those protesters happen to be lawmakers. And what happened in Tennessee

00:37:07.500 was a group of three lawmakers. They're calling themselves the Tennessee three because they want

00:37:14.480 notoriety. Two black men and a white woman, all Democrats, hijacked the proceedings in the Tennessee

00:37:22.340 state house a day after the mass murder that took place there last week at the hands of a transgender

00:37:30.680 activist. Right. This transgender person went into a school and shot up three nine year olds and killed

00:37:39.620 them and three administrators or workers at the school. The story has been largely buried by the

00:37:45.480 media once they figured out that it was a trans person. And the next day they started having hearings

00:37:51.120 in Tennessee about what should we do? What do we do? Is it about guns? As the left was claiming,

00:37:55.840 is it about mental health? Is it about fortifying schools? Which was generally the approach taken by

00:38:02.080 the Tennessee lawmakers, which it's a Republican majority. So nobody's surprised. So not getting

00:38:08.780 their way on guns. Right. They wanted to make it all about guns. They wanted an assault weapons ban.

00:38:13.420 It's not going to happen. Get out of Tennessee if that's super important to you, because it's not

00:38:17.380 going to happen. It could happen potentially in another state, but not there. They weren't getting their

00:38:21.540 way. And these two black men and one white woman, Democratic activists who were in the Tennessee

00:38:28.480 state house as elected representatives, hijacked the proceeding and took to the lectern in the middle

00:38:35.460 of the well without being allowed. They were out of order. They violated procedure. And one of them,

00:38:41.040 a Mr. Jones, had hidden a bullhorn under his coat. This is a lawmaker. He's 27 years old. He'd been an

00:38:48.680 activist before they elected him. He hid in the bullhorn under his coat, went up to the podium.

00:38:53.840 And here's a bit of what happened.

00:38:55.700 No action, no peace. No action, no peace. No action, no peace. No action, no peace.

00:39:11.840 Stop!

00:39:14.640 No action, no peace.

00:39:15.900 No action, no peace.

00:39:16.360 We're talking about the protects of the second amendment, but we are not saying

00:39:18.660 you are no alcohol because we are not saying you are контрelshazz than enough until

00:39:23.720 theinity of the journal законment. Just something.

00:39:25.620 Do something.

00:39:26.680 mediocre resources. We're talking about providing them guns. Instead of stopping your NRAs legislation

00:39:30.540 So this is what's happening here, right? This is what happened. These lawmakers hijack the

00:39:47.340 proceedings, Dennis, work with the protesters in the balcony, start screaming. Nothing can be said.

00:39:52.800 Nothing can be done. It's just an expression of anger and ego. Ego, I would submit. The lawmakers

00:39:58.920 are Representative Pearson, a Democrat from Memphis, Representative Jones, who had the bullhorn

00:40:03.040 from Nashville, and then Representative Gloria Johnson. She's the white woman, obviously,

00:40:08.880 a Democrat from Knoxville. Now, here's what happened. They were expelled. The two black

00:40:16.460 men were expelled as lawmakers. You can expel somebody who behaves in a huge breach of decorum

00:40:21.960 or commits a crime, et cetera, as the rest of the legislature. They did so. They did not expel

00:40:25.900 the woman, Gloria Johnson. And now today, the narrative is they're racists because they kicked

00:40:32.720 out the black guys, but not the white woman. And this was a, quote, shocking assault on democracy

00:40:38.920 and speech, right? The ones who stood up for decorum, the ones who tried to control the proceeding,

00:40:45.320 shut down the hijackers of the conversation who are out of order. They're the ones who assaulted

00:40:49.680 speech, not the perpetrators. L.A. Times, I'm quoting with that quote. They went on to say they,

00:40:55.640 meaning the GOP majority, have no right to silence their opponents, Nashville, Memphis,

00:41:01.620 and Knoxville voters. OK, they have no right to silence them and the people they elect to

00:41:06.600 represent them, not in a functioning democracy that thrives on speech and debate. And they accuse

00:41:13.700 the Republicans of disenfranchising those three representatives, many thousands of voters.

00:41:20.760 So we'll get to the race thing in one second. But let's just start with the complete turn

00:41:24.800 of the narrative. Their voters were disenfranchised, not the seven million Tennessee citizens who whose

00:41:32.320 representatives were not able to debate things like fortifying the school with more security

00:41:36.060 or mental health because Bullhorn Man thought his one voice was more important.

00:41:42.080 That's exactly right. When they stop people from speaking at colleges, it is unreported and unknown

00:41:50.480 on the left. And then when we asked for decorum, nobody said he couldn't speak. But you can't bring

00:41:57.700 a bullhorn into your state legislature and start using it and screaming into it, hijacking the proceedings

00:42:05.240 and interacting with a mob that is in the visitor's gallery. Had this been other, let us imagine for

00:42:12.820 a moment that pro-life members of the Tennessee legislature had smuggled in a bullhorn and started

00:42:20.940 screaming pro-life messages to a balcony filled with pro-life activists. And then this happened,

00:42:28.720 let us say, in what we call a blue state. And they had been expelled as members for doing that.

00:42:37.540 Do you think the LA Times would have editorialized against it? There is no moral truth. There is no

00:42:46.260 truth on the left. Again, something I've said my whole life because I remember studying it when I

00:42:51.860 studied Pravda, the Soviet communist newspaper. Truth is not a left-wing value. It is a liberal value.

00:42:59.420 It is a conservative value. It is not a left-wing value. And so they will say whatever they can say

00:43:05.040 to win. That is the only question that really plays a role on the left. What should have been done

00:43:12.080 to these people? And as regards the question of race, why didn't they expel the white woman?

00:43:19.760 Well, she missed expulsion by one vote. People should know that. They tried to expel her.

00:43:28.040 She was stripped of committee chairmanships or memberships in the Tennessee legislature.

00:43:35.460 And she did not use the bullhorn. That was the reason that she was not expelled. But whenever

00:43:43.800 possible, they will say racism. But of course, had she been expelled, they just would have said,

00:43:48.860 misogyny. So it doesn't matter. They got you coming and going.

00:43:54.740 Here's the crazy thing. She got up there along with her representatives in arguing against her

00:44:00.080 expulsion and made those same points. She didn't use the bullhorn, the megaphone. She didn't yell.

00:44:09.320 They were distinguishing her behavior. And seven Republicans crossed party lines to say

00:44:15.960 she doesn't deserve to be expelled. And yes, by one vote, because they needed a certain number to

00:44:20.620 get rid of any of them. She wasn't expelled after she distinguished her own behavior as being different

00:44:26.640 from the others. So, yeah, there is a difference between smuggling in a bullhorn and being the chief

00:44:31.500 ringleader of the people up in the balcony and just being a supporter who stood there and didn't

00:44:35.940 yell, but stood next to the guys and supported them in solidarity. And, you know, you should take

00:44:41.220 it up with her because she pointed out her behavior was different now. No, she's out there, too, saying

00:44:47.840 it's because I'm white and they're black. Here she is. Again, her name is Representative Gloria

00:44:54.740 Johnson. Why were those two expelled and you weren't? Well, I think it's pretty clear. I'm a 60-year-old

00:45:06.540 white woman and they are two young black men. I am listening to the questions and the way they were

00:45:14.700 questioned and the way they were talked to. I was talked down to as a woman, mansplained to,

00:45:23.040 but it was completely different from the questioning that they got. There you go.

00:45:30.260 Mansplained, talked down to as a woman. She was getting ready to play that card. Let's face it. The

00:45:34.220 truth is she would have loved to have been expelled. She would have said misogyny and this is just as

00:45:38.880 good. Now we can claim racism and play the victim all over again. I have pointed out again for so many

00:45:46.800 years. The charges of racism are almost always false, like in this case. And that is proof of how

00:45:57.380 little racism actually exists in America. I wrote a column, I write a weekly column I have for 20 years

00:46:05.740 and about, I don't know, about a year ago, I listed more than a dozen race hoaxes on campuses where if

00:46:14.600 you see racial graffiti, racist graffiti on a college dorm door of a black student, let's say,

00:46:22.760 generally speaking, you can assume either a black student did it or a white leftist. Usually a black

00:46:29.180 student has done it. Why are there so many race hoaxes? The Jussie Smollett is only the best known.

00:46:35.360 Why are there so many? This, for anyone who cares about truth, is proof of how little racism there is

00:46:43.920 in the United States that you need these hoaxes. Here's a question. Were there any anti-Semitic hoaxes

00:46:50.400 in Germany in the 1930s? Did Jews ever make up an anti-Semitic hoax to show how anti-Semitic Germany was?

00:46:59.920 Jews would have been blessed if they needed to make up hoaxes.

00:47:04.040 Good point. On that very point, let's go back to this Representative Jones, the one from Nashville.

00:47:13.180 He's the one who admitted sneaking in the bullhorn under his coat and was a longtime activist before

00:47:17.240 he got elected. He's 27 years old. This guy may be misleading us on an alleged racist incident that

00:47:24.640 happened on the floor right now. So he went out there. Keep this in mind as I play this soundbite.

00:47:33.100 All right. He went out there earlier this week and accused a Republican named Gino Bolso

00:47:39.380 of calling him Jones a damned disgrace in a private conversation. He said Gino called him a damned

00:47:47.420 disgrace. And that was in the papers. Now, let me ask you if Gino had called Representative Jones

00:47:55.300 an uppity Negro. I think the papers would have printed that right after damned disgrace.

00:48:02.280 That might have even been a headline. But weirdly, Representative Jones didn't appear to mention

00:48:08.940 uppity Negro in those earlier newspaper interviews. He only mentioned the charge of he called me a damned

00:48:16.820 disgrace. Same guy. We're talking about Representative Gino Bolso. Then Representative Jones goes on with Joy

00:48:23.160 Reid last night. And look how the story changed. He's talking about Bolso here. Watch.

00:48:29.740 The world was watching Tennessee, which is why they were on their best behavior. But even under their

00:48:33.360 best behavior, you saw the disdain, the arrogance, you know, that basically I had a member on the floor

00:48:40.560 calling me an uppity Negro. I mean, this is this is the behavior of our body. And so even with the

00:48:45.320 nation watching them, even the world watching them, you see the assault on the marks that happened.

00:48:49.320 And the most extreme example was my expulsion, because it's what it's doing. It's not about

00:48:54.060 me, but it's about the 78000 people I represent. And later they made clear they were talking about

00:48:59.000 Bolso. So it's it's a little strange, Dennis, that somehow the remark has morphed or he buried the

00:49:07.300 lead for several days. I got to say, I always think I'm I'm not using any hyperbole. I always think

00:49:16.400 we've reached the nadir with regard to the left. And then, by golly, I'm always proven wrong.

00:49:23.940 Who says uppity Negro? Oh, my God. And he says, basically, he basically called me.

00:49:30.720 What does that mean? An actual anchor would have said, what is what is basically mean?

00:49:34.340 What specifically did he say? He didn't. That's what it means.

00:49:39.340 There was another moment underscoring that Jones is incredibly focused on race and has made this an

00:49:47.620 issue time after time. I'm going to pick it up right there, right after the break, and then we'll

00:49:51.920 move on to Trump and some other news. But this story is just unbelievable. Stand by Dennis Prager

00:49:57.260 comes right back after this short, short break.

00:49:59.720 This guy Jones and his two colleagues are playing the race card with every publication and any interview

00:50:11.760 they can. But an interesting moment. It turns out that Jones is very fond of calling the entire

00:50:19.000 chamber of Republicans white supremacists. It can wind up alienating people, as it turns out.

00:50:24.700 So he didn't have a ton of support after his little bullhorn maneuver. But he thinks all the

00:50:30.060 Republicans in Tennessee are white supremacists. That's not an uncommon belief amongst leftists

00:50:35.320 when it comes to Republicans in today's day and age. Well, there is one

00:50:40.620 person of color on the Republican side who stood up and said, actually, Representative Jones,

00:50:50.020 it may be the other way around. Listen to Representative Kumar, the Republican who took on

00:50:54.660 Jones on this charge.

00:50:56.220 In those 53 years in America, I have never encountered a racial slur. I'm really not

00:51:04.800 aware that any of that applies to me. I live a good life. Yet, you, on tape, call me a brown

00:51:14.020 face. Yes, sir, it's on tape.

00:51:17.060 And what I told you was what you just exhibited. As the only member of their caucus who was not

00:51:22.700 of the Caucasian persuasion, I said that you put a brown face on white supremacy.

00:51:28.080 Oh, see, that that makes it OK, Dennis. You see, he's not the racist. He's the victim of the evil

00:51:34.000 white supremacists, including this man. I must say the great moment of that statement

00:51:41.840 was a term which I admit is new to me, the Caucasian persuasion.

00:51:48.140 Is it a choice?

00:51:53.040 Did you ever hear of that before? That race is a persuasion? If race is a persuasion,

00:52:00.700 then anybody could be a Caucasian or anybody could be a black. Incidentally, just parenthetically,

00:52:06.400 if we are as we identify, why can't I identify as another race? Why can't I say I am black?

00:52:15.120 I'm this is not meant to be cute. If you can identify with something that is as ephemeral as

00:52:22.500 color. If you if you know, if you can identify with something that is biologically stated as

00:52:30.420 different male or female, then so much more so you should be able to identify with something

00:52:35.640 that is not as biological, which is race. But anyway, I love that Caucasian persuasion.

00:52:41.580 Mm hmm. Uh, uh, by the way, Larry Elder was called in the Los Angeles Times by one of its black

00:52:48.700 columnists, the black face of white supremacy. This this is what they do. If you are a black who

00:52:57.960 is not a leftist, you are the lowest form of creature known to the human race on the left,

00:53:04.600 because it has nothing to do with morality or or anything else that is noble. If enough blacks see

00:53:14.840 good people who are black and who are Republican, it could shatter the most important voting block for

00:53:22.940 the Democrats. If you must keep black America in a frenzy of fright over whites.

00:53:33.340 And and this is why the major newspapers today are spinning this as an example of racism and white

00:53:42.540 supremacy. They will not tell you that the white woman who didn't get expelled loss was not expelled

00:53:48.220 by one vote. They will not tell you that she did not use a bullhorn, that she did not yell, that she

00:53:52.980 was not the main perpetrator of the chaos as the other two gentlemen were. They won't tell you that

00:53:58.520 because they prefer this narrative. The president himself, Dennis, out today with a statement calling

00:54:04.000 the expulsions of these men shocking, undemocratic and without precedent. Uh, his he's horrified

00:54:12.400 that these two men were expelled for the breach of decorum. Um, it wasn't so long ago I heard people

00:54:19.420 like Joe Biden absolutely horrified at the breach of decorum we saw on January 6th, not just the

00:54:25.380 violence. Take, take the violence out of it. They were upset that protesters stormed the Capitol,

00:54:30.780 that protesters were in the Capitol without permission in an, in a shocking breach of decorum.

00:54:35.240 I get it. It wasn't just about the violent protesters. They weren't the only ones who were the

00:54:39.460 subjects of their ire, but this, this is wonderful. What these three people were doing, the Tennessee

00:54:45.200 three rock on America. You stand up to them. You're a bigot. It's a very, very, uh, dark time

00:54:53.960 in American history. Anyone who would observe the, what those three did, and especially the two expelled

00:55:01.180 ones. If let's say they had been, as I said, the opposite, had they been pro-life people with a

00:55:08.900 megaphone with a, with a bullhorn shouting to the gallery, which was shouting back, of course they

00:55:16.340 would have supported their expulsion. Yeah. And, and by the way, so would I just for the record, you

00:55:23.060 don't act that way in a state legislature or any other legislature, but chaos, this, I, this was one of

00:55:32.480 the most important moments in my intellectual inner life. I have been wondering, what does the left

00:55:41.280 want? When you say men give birth, men menstruate America, systemically racist and other enormous

00:55:47.700 lies. What is your ultimate aim? What is the aim of the left? And here is one answer that I do believe

00:55:55.280 chaos. Their lives, you pointed this out in, in, at least implicitly with regard to those, uh,

00:56:04.360 state university, uh, uh, of New York at Albany kids, their lives are in chaos. People with chaotic

00:56:13.600 lives, almost everyone watching us knows this from some relative where there is a relative whose life is

00:56:20.060 in chaos. And they want to make family life chaotic. The, the, those who are at peace with life and

00:56:28.580 themselves don't do this. The chaotic bring chaos and their lives are chaotic. Why are they chaotic?

00:56:38.860 Because of a loss of meaning that, and that, that can drive people crazy, which is exactly what is

00:56:46.260 happening between affluence and secularism. And you could be an atheist and acknowledge this Douglas

00:56:52.440 Murray is not a believer in God. And he wrote a fantastic book about this. We live in the post

00:56:58.840 Judeo Christian world and a quote, which is attributed to Chesterton, but we can't prove it,

00:57:05.480 but it's not my quote. So I, I just have to say, it's not my quote, but it's brilliant. When people

00:57:11.080 stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing. They believe in anything where we are

00:57:17.980 living through that. As I have pointed out over and over only secular people say, men give birth.

00:57:25.000 There are secular people who don't say it, but of those who say it, they're all secular.

00:57:30.860 The irony is the world of reason has been abandoned in the post Christian world. And I'm a religious

00:57:36.960 Jew saying this to you. That, that is a big part of this movement toward chaos. Men and women are

00:57:45.860 interchangeable is chaos. The double standards, the, you know, refusal to adhere to any singular

00:57:54.040 principle. Like remember the outrage over Josh Hawley lifting his fist on January 6th at the,

00:58:01.440 at the protesters who were there, they treated him like he was the devil incarnate, but the

00:58:06.960 lawmakers can go in with the bullhorn cheering on, egging on, inciting the protesters inside the

00:58:14.040 house chamber. That is democracy in action and any attempt to silence it or maintain a protocol for

00:58:21.840 debate. So the 7 million Tennesseans can be heard or have their opinions heard that that's, that's

00:58:28.500 totally different, right? The inconsistency is glaring and we all know it. And frankly, we've seen it

00:58:35.480 earlier in the week on the whole trans issue to begin with the murderer in Nashville, Tennessee

00:58:42.080 was a trans person. It was a biological girl who was now 28 years old and had recently decided that

00:58:50.720 she was going to use he, him pronouns and was transitioning to male that we still haven't seen

00:58:58.960 the manifesto. We don't know the full story. They won't release it. Uh, and within days instead of

00:59:05.840 trans person attacks, Christian students and kills three Christian nine-year-olds, not to mention their

00:59:12.540 three teachers, it turned into the trans communities under attack. The white house within days talking

00:59:19.320 about, we need a day to celebrate trans people. We're with the trans community. It's, it's not,

00:59:24.240 it's about the Christian. They're angry about the Christian and the right wing outrage at what

00:59:29.400 happened. They're not angry at what happened. And the people down in Tennessee felt the answer to

00:59:35.740 these school shootings is not crack down on the guns, which by the way, were used to kill the shooter.

00:59:42.560 The answer, uh, they believe is to fortify the schools. That debate was had. They were having it.

00:59:47.780 They lost. The Democrats were losing. They were mad. So they acted like children and hijacked the

00:59:54.820 debate. And once again, the leftist media turns the narrative to, to foster one of their other

01:00:00.320 favorite things, which is racism. Now we're back to rape. Everything gets turned because the left

01:00:05.520 controls all these methods of discussing these issues. Yeah. They would never headline what,

01:00:12.440 what is the truth. First of all, I, I'm not up on this. Uh, are you, did they release the report,

01:00:21.500 uh, on the, on the murders in, in Nashville or not? No, the manifesto. No, it's not. Yeah. The manifesto.

01:00:28.180 So that's an interesting question. Why they didn't my suspicion. I don't obviously don't know this,

01:00:33.780 but my suspicion is it's filled with hatred of Christianity of Christians. And for good reason,

01:00:40.480 because the only organized opposition to men give birth, men menstruate, girls should choose at 18

01:00:47.920 or even younger, whether to have their breasts cut off. If they say they're boys, the only organized

01:00:53.100 opposition, there are individuals all over the place is coming from within the religious world.

01:00:57.820 And in America, that generally means the Christian world. You mentioned earlier, by the way,

01:01:03.460 that at the state university in Albany, they ripped up a Bible. Is that, did I get that correctly before

01:01:11.740 I came on? They did. So here's a, here's a thought. Would anybody rip a Quran? And I'll give you an

01:01:22.640 example. There's a very famous or infamous, if you will, art piece by some American artist of a crucifix

01:01:33.460 in a jar of his urine. It's called Christ. Yeah. It's very famous. Can you imagine anybody doing

01:01:41.700 the same with a Quran or an image of Muhammad? Oh boy. Among the other traits of the left is

01:01:48.880 cowardice. They pick on people they know won't hurt them. Christians won't hurt them. So they can do

01:01:56.060 whatever they want. They can say whatever they want. They can hate as much as they want at no price.

01:02:03.860 There's all but a blackout of yet another incident of planned trans violence, a trans person planning

01:02:10.440 yet another school shooting. The daily wire is reporting it, but it's not everywhere as it would

01:02:16.080 be if this were a MAGA supporting guy planning an attack on trans facilities or trans group. Uh,

01:02:23.420 this off the daily wire, Colorado law enforcement arrested a transgender person with a manifesto

01:02:28.640 planning multiple shootings at schools and churches. The arrest took place on March 31st,

01:02:35.440 but, um, it was just now made public, uh, right at, it was just a few days after the transgender

01:02:41.320 terrorist attack in Nashville. This is a biological male who was going by a female name and she,

01:02:48.040 her pronouns and wrote down, uh, his plans to shoot up specific. I've omitted the names here,

01:02:55.100 but a specific middle school, a specific elementary school, a specific high school,

01:02:59.340 and wait for it. Multiple churches. The only reason we know about it is because a family member

01:03:05.100 turned him in, and this will not be everywhere for the reasons we just discussed. And that leads me to

01:03:12.640 this person, Rebecca Jones, Rebecca Jones may ring a bell, but most people couldn't pick her out of

01:03:20.900 a lineup. She's this activist down in Florida who hates Ron DeSantis. And she styled herself as a

01:03:29.520 whistleblower during COVID and said, Oh, you know, I've got all these real data about the death toll and

01:03:37.280 the disease and so on that Ron DeSantis won't share with you. Long story short, she turned out

01:03:42.900 to be a serial liar. She, in the words of Charles CW cook, a national review became famous for raising

01:03:48.760 hundreds of thousands of dollars off the back of a series of brazen deceptions about Florida's

01:03:53.380 response to COVID. She's been arrested for threatening. And she was actually, she struck a

01:03:58.780 plea deal, uh, that agreed she had access computers illegally. And actually that plea deal required her to

01:04:04.860 pay restitution and get the mental health help. Rebecca Jones clearly so desperately deserves.

01:04:10.240 Why am I mentioning her? Because Rebecca Jones has a 13 year old son who was arrested this week.

01:04:18.420 I think it was yesterday for threatening to shoot up a school. Here's the Pensacola news journal

01:04:24.560 with the story, uh, an incident report released Thursday afternoon by the Santa Rosa Sheriff's office

01:04:30.160 alleged alleges the 13 year old made repeated threats to shoot up Holly Navari middle school

01:04:35.540 and to stab students who had angered him. Uh, investigators interviewed multiple students

01:04:40.440 who spoke with the teen, as well as those who saw messages he posted to social media and messages to

01:04:45.060 his friends. He made the following statements. I want to shoot up the school. If I get a gun,

01:04:49.400 I'm going to shoot up, shoot up, Hmm's LOL. Uh, I'm getting, it must've been an abbreviation about

01:04:56.000 the school. I'm getting a wrath and natural selection shirt. So maybe I don't think many

01:05:00.860 people know what the Columbine shooters look like. Okay. So it's been like three or four weeks since

01:05:05.900 I got my new antidepressants and they aren't working, but they're supposed to by now. So I

01:05:09.540 have no hope in getting better. So why not kill the losers at school? He told one of his friends

01:05:13.940 that he planned to shoot up the school the Thursday before spring break, but there were too many

01:05:16.860 things going on. So he postponed it to March 31st. The students reported the claims to the school

01:05:21.280 prior to that date, the investigation was launched. And now yesterday, Rebecca Jones comes out

01:05:27.420 playing the victim. My family is not safe. She tweeted. My son has been, has been taken on the

01:05:36.920 governor's orders and I've had to send my husband and daughter out of the state for their safety.

01:05:42.100 This is the reality of living in DeSantis' Florida. There's no freedom here. Only

01:05:48.180 retaliatory rule by a fascist who wishes to be king. Now it'd be bad enough if she tweeted

01:05:55.920 that given these circumstances. Enter the Miami Herald, right? With about 30 seconds of research,

01:06:04.560 they could have figured out what had happened here, but instead they ran with this headline.

01:06:09.720 13-year-old son of Rebecca Jones, whistleblower who clashed with DeSantis, arrested over memes.

01:06:20.920 Memes? Dennis, I just went through the 10 statements this kid made threatening to shoot up

01:06:27.920 schools, specifically the schools, to his friends, online, in person. Exactly why? Columbine. We could go

01:06:35.180 through the list. And that's the headline, which now that it's been publicly shamed, the Miami Herald

01:06:41.000 has finally changed to son of Rebecca Jones, Florida whistleblower, arrested in probe of threatening

01:06:48.080 internet posts. This is what we're up against. This is what we, the American people, are up against.

01:06:53.640 There is no distinction in left-wing papers between the editorial pages, opinion pages, and news pages.

01:07:04.120 And that is just another example. I'll give a trivial one, but it's very, very indicative.

01:07:10.680 So, I get Google alerts on my name. I want to see what hate has been directed to me on any given day,

01:07:19.100 where, what they say. I find it fascinating. I sleep very well, but I find it fascinating.

01:07:24.920 At any rate, whenever I'm described, or for that matter, anybody equivalent,

01:07:31.120 in my, anyone similar to me in talk radio, or in podcasting, or whatever, conservative radio talk

01:07:40.060 show host, or right-wing radio talk show host, Dennis Prager. And I would then Google, did that

01:07:46.780 newspaper ever say liberal talk show host, or broadcaster, or leftist? The norm for American

01:07:57.400 newspapers, the norm is leftism. Therefore, there's no reason to cite that you're a leftist.

01:08:05.200 But the other is always noted, and as I gave in the case of conservative. There's one more factor

01:08:12.840 here on this, on the Christian issue. I, I've written a book, among my books is a book on

01:08:20.360 anti-Semitism. It's called Why the Jews. It's in its third printing. It's been out for decades. It

01:08:26.060 explains anti-Semitism. I taught Jewish history on the college level at Brooklyn College, my first,

01:08:31.900 my first job, basically. And I have an interesting question to ask. How come there's a name for

01:08:40.760 Jew hatred? There's a name for Islamo hatred, or Islamic hatred. There is a name for race hatred.

01:08:50.900 How come there's no name for Christian hatred? Are there no people who hate Christianity?

01:08:57.080 It is without question the most hated group in the world today, with the possible exception of the

01:09:02.160 Uyghurs in, in China. And, but there is, it doesn't even have a name. So I'm reacting to your

01:09:10.280 pointing out the Miami Herald. We bathe in dishonesty with the American media.

01:09:15.360 Yeah. Yeah. They won't be honest about what happened in Nashville. Who was the target of

01:09:22.640 the trans person who shot up that school? Let's talk about it. Why, why was it a Christian school?

01:09:28.280 Why was it Christian children? And more stories like this get buried because they're inconvenient

01:09:34.140 to the narrative. The killer of the Jews at the Pittsburgh synagogue, forgive me, I just want to say

01:09:39.720 this. The killer of the Jews at the Pittsburgh synagogue is correctly called an anti-Semite,

01:09:46.460 but killers of Christians are not called anti-Christian. The issue was guns, not the

01:09:52.940 anti-Christianity. In the case of Pittsburgh, the issue was the anti-Jewish aspect.

01:09:59.000 Yep. Let's see the manifesto. Maybe it's not in there. Maybe it is. Either way, the FBI is reviewing

01:10:03.000 it. They never take this long in other cases. I don't know what's taking so long here,

01:10:06.940 but I'll be really interested to see it when it finally comes out. I do want to tell the audience,

01:10:12.200 just as an update, the Biden administration has just moved to eliminate state bans on letting

01:10:19.560 trans kids play sports in their selected gender. So there are, I think, 19 states in the union that

01:10:27.340 have issued bans for trans girls. That's usually the way it becomes problematic to play sports against

01:10:35.600 biological girls. It's not safe. It's not fair, et cetera. Now the Biden administration has acted by

01:10:41.960 proposing a new federal rule. It's like an amendment to an interpretation of Title IX to say, you can't

01:10:48.920 have those bans. Those bans are unlawful. You have to decide it on a sport by sport basis. You could

01:10:55.800 potentially limit certain sports, but you cannot have a ban because we, the admin people within the

01:11:03.060 Biden administration know better. And if this goes through, it's going to preempt state law.

01:11:10.660 You know, we're supposed to be this microcosm where the 50 states can do what they want as long

01:11:15.480 as they've not already been preempted by federal law. And he's big footing them into the elimination

01:11:20.820 of these bans. It's absolutely outrageous. If they do it, there's going to be a revolt. I don't think

01:11:25.580 the states will comply. Yeah, part of me therefore actually wants him to get away with that. This is an

01:11:34.580 issue where liberals who are unfortunately spectacularly self-induced, I might add, naive, even they

01:11:44.120 understand that this is at the best unfair. So I actually would almost welcome this as a national

01:11:54.920 debate. They can't win. The vast majority of Americans, even I would argue probably half the

01:12:02.380 Democrats, think Leah Thomas is nothing but a narcissistic cheat. That's all Leah Thomas is,

01:12:09.040 a cheat. Every one of these males, like, oh, the best example, the guy who with his beard said he was a

01:12:17.020 woman and then lifted a hundred pounds more than the best woman could lift. Do they really believe that

01:12:23.880 a biological man can compete fairly with women? Ideally, by the way, what I would really love to

01:12:30.420 see is, and this should be the policy of people who love truth and love beauty and love the country and

01:12:37.540 love its values, is to opt out. If girls simply said, you know what, if Leah Thomas swims, we don't swim.

01:12:44.480 Have a great day. Have a great day. But they're afraid. They're afraid of the repercussions. I don't

01:12:50.860 blame them for being afraid, but I've done a lot of work on the issue of fear. Again, I always, I make

01:13:00.420 reference to the Bible because I actually think it's wiser than the New York Times, and it has an

01:13:07.940 interesting little statistic. You know what God says the most to human beings in the Old Testament,

01:13:15.060 in the Hebrew Bible? Do not fear. And that should be the guiding principle. Do not fear. Girls' teams

01:13:23.000 should not compete if a guy is swimming. Let him swim alone. Or him, her, I don't care what you call

01:13:29.220 the individual. I care about the fairness to the females. And by the way, J.K. Rowling is beginning to

01:13:36.500 win. She is. She was demonized. And over time, she is being vindicated in her saying that men are men

01:13:47.980 and women are women. I think that this is the first time in my life where the left has picked an issue

01:13:56.580 which they may not win. They are winning in schools because, again, so many female teachers are teaching

01:14:04.560 six-year-olds that they can choose their sex or gender, as they have put it, which is beyond belief.

01:14:11.820 Can you imagine that? You know, they no longer say boys and girls. This has been true for at least 10

01:14:16.720 years. Most schools that I know of, at any rate, they don't say to the kids boys and girls because

01:14:24.000 they don't believe in the concept of boys and girls. In the British tube, the subway of London,

01:14:30.860 they don't say ladies and gentlemen. They say passengers because they don't believe that the

01:14:37.040 human race is divided between male and female. I mean, it is a dark time we're in. And I just

01:14:47.120 constantly tell people, do not fear. You must fight. You've got to step out of your closet

01:14:52.640 because two things happen when you step out of your closet. People who hate you will find you

01:14:59.300 and people who love you whom you don't even know will find you. You want kindred spirits?

01:15:04.780 Get out of the closet. You know, those women are afraid. The swimmers, the athletes who don't want

01:15:11.620 to be in the pool would like to stand on the side. They're afraid, as I pointed out, of not getting

01:15:15.880 jobs after graduation. The UPenn girls quietly went on the record anonymously about that and of showing

01:15:22.200 up like Riley Gaines did and getting physically attacked, reduced to tears. And then as if on

01:15:29.300 cue, your tears are mocked. You fucking crying. I'm sorry. I'm not supposed to be saying. I mean,

01:15:34.200 I realize we're closing out in the Lenten period, but it's that's how mean they are. That's how nasty

01:15:40.540 they are screaming about her tears after they assaulted her. Then comes the shame that you've

01:15:46.500 actually been reduced to tears by a physical assault by a man. That's how disgusting these

01:15:51.840 activists are. And people are rightfully worried about that happening to them. And yet Riley Gaines's

01:15:59.300 response when she regained her composure was to go online, post about it and say, that's my cue that

01:16:07.880 I'm saying the right things. And the more they try to silence me, the louder I will get. And she could

01:16:14.020 use our solidarity. She could use more voices publicly saying she's right. Right. And they're

01:16:20.860 wrong. After this, I'm going to take a quick break. I want to pick up the theme of black

01:16:26.900 conservatives who speak out and how they get labeled the black face or the brown face of white supremacy

01:16:31.720 because they've started back in on Clarence Thomas. And that's another story the left is running with

01:16:37.860 right now. I've got some thoughts as somebody who used to cover the high court and was a lawyer for many

01:16:41.760 years. More with Dennis right after this quick break. We need to talk about Clarence Thomas, who

01:16:49.860 once again is under attack by the leftists who have hated him from the day he was nominated

01:16:58.420 for his Supreme Court post. Now there's a deep dive by ProPublica, this left-leaning organization,

01:17:05.620 press organization, which is accusing him of violating ethical rules by having a rich friend

01:17:13.200 is essentially what it boils down to. This is the reporting for over 20 years. Thomas has been

01:17:18.580 treated to luxury vacations by billionaire Republican donor Harlan Crow, heir to a real estate fortune,

01:17:24.480 who is on the board of AEI. He also sits on the board of the Hoover Institution. Thomas goes on cruises

01:17:30.060 in far-flung locales on Crow's yacht. He flies on his private jet and keeps company with Crow's

01:17:36.640 powerful friends at the billionaire's private resort. They're mad that he went on yacht trips

01:17:43.240 and he's been hanging with Crow and he's been hanging with Crow's, you know, rich friends and so on.

01:17:47.820 And here's just a little bit of the ProPublica reporter trying to explain why this is so reprehensible,

01:17:54.620 Dennis. So we found that Justice Thomas has been taking, accepting luxury, lavish trips from a Dallas

01:18:04.940 billionaire Republican donor virtually every year for over 20 years. So one recent example is in 2019,

01:18:14.720 the businessman whose name is Harlan Crow flew Thomas to Indonesia on his private jet and then took him

01:18:22.160 island hopping for nine days on a super yacht. These men have spent a lot of time together over the

01:18:29.360 years. And what they've discussed and whether Crow has had any influence on Thomas, whether that's

01:18:36.900 directly or indirectly, is still unknown. What they don't tell you is that there's absolutely no ethical

01:18:43.440 prohibition in place that would stop any of this or that would require disclosure. One was passed

01:18:50.880 recently in March that updated some of the rules that might require disclosure of the private air

01:18:57.760 travel. But when Thomas was doing all of this, there was no such rule in place. And even the god

01:19:04.360 of legal ethics, the guy who wrote the book, Stephen Gillers, only the Wall Street Journal would report

01:19:10.540 this, of course. He's an NYU law professor and an expert on legal ethics. Right. He points out, quote,

01:19:18.400 quote, up until last month, Thomas had a plausible argument that he did not have to disclose that

01:19:25.820 the expenses file under the personal hospitality exception to any of the rules prohibiting judges

01:19:33.400 from taking certain monies. And by the way, most of those rules don't even apply to the U.S. Supreme

01:19:37.380 Court. But they see an opportunity to get him to make him look corrupt. And they're running with it.

01:19:42.600 That's exactly what it is. I don't know how many people even know, even on our side. Ruth Bader

01:19:49.440 Ginsburg, when she was Supreme Court Justice, was in Cairo. The Egyptians were thinking of developing

01:19:56.680 a constitution or a new constitution for their country. And she said, in effect, that the last

01:20:03.140 place they should look is to the U.S. Constitution. So here's a Supreme Court Justice who took an oath

01:20:09.320 to guard the constitution and to act according to constitutional guidelines, who advised the

01:20:17.260 country adopting a new constitution not to take the U.S. Constitution as a model. She gave the South

01:20:22.920 African Constitution as a model, which, by the way, I then dutifully looked up. It is enormous,

01:20:29.760 about 30 pages. And it's got every possible left-wing right that an individual or a society can have.

01:20:39.320 So was this news, what's more dangerous, a Supreme Court Justice who goes on a private plane and yacht

01:20:48.180 of a rich man every year on a vacation, or a Supreme Court Justice who has disdain for the U.S.

01:20:54.540 Constitution? Yeah, no, they don't care about that. But of course, any chance to jump on this guy

01:21:01.680 and the left seizes it, I go back again to Joy Reid. Watch this. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas,

01:21:10.740 who's mostly known for his scandalous sexual harassment allegations, notoriously involving

01:21:16.020 Coke cans, and for his wife being an aspiring insurrectionist. Well, he has been revealed to be

01:21:24.220 utterly corrupt, according to new reporting from ProPublica. It found that for more than two decades,

01:21:31.560 Justice Thomas has accepted luxury vacations nearly every year from Republican billionaire

01:21:37.520 mega-donor Harlan Crowe. And apparently, he failed to report them on his financial disclosure forms,

01:21:43.440 as he is required to do. No, he's not. He isn't. She's an idiot who refuses to do her homework. It is a

01:21:50.360 theme with this woman. I mean, literally on March 14th, Dennis, they passed new rules for federal

01:21:56.780 judges saying, okay, from March 14th, 2023 forward, all judges must disclose gifts and free stays

01:22:05.780 at commercial properties. Commercial. Not at the home of a rich friend. Or when gifts of hospitality are

01:22:12.480 being reimbursed by a third party who's not the person providing it. Not even arguably this case.

01:22:17.240 The law includes an exception on such reporting for food, lodging, or entertainment received as

01:22:22.600 personal hospitality. The new rule clarifies that personal means a judge has a personal relationship

01:22:30.300 with the host and should not include situations in which the invitation is merely being delivered

01:22:34.180 personally. The ethical rules, as just written, there was nothing before. Nothing. He was fine to do

01:22:39.940 what he wanted. Now they've just implemented one a month ago. And this rule is not trying to ban

01:22:45.100 gifts that are the results of friendships or kindnesses. They are trying to hobble influence

01:22:53.180 peddling. They are trying to get judges to disclose when Marriott gives them some gift that's worth

01:22:59.680 $10,000. And then Marriott has a case going up before the U S Supreme court. That's what they're

01:23:05.000 after. And now they do have to disclose gifts of transportation. So the private jet travel will have

01:23:11.000 to be disclosed, but there's not even an allegation that one of those private jet trips has been taken

01:23:16.380 in the past month. Nonetheless, now some are calling for his impeachment. Listen to AOC.

01:23:26.100 I think this is an emergency. I think that this is a crisis. I think we've had a crisis for some time

01:23:35.240 on the Supreme court. I do think articles need to be introduced. If we decide strategically that the

01:23:42.780 actual author of those articles and who introduces them may not be me, that's fine. I will support

01:23:49.740 impeachment, but I just think that if no one's going to introduce it, I would certainly be open to doing

01:23:55.600 so and drafting them myself. I think this has gone far, far beyond any sort of acceptable standard

01:24:02.400 in, in any democracy, let alone in American democracy. You're too dumb to be in Congress,

01:24:08.380 too dumb to be. And that's saying something you tell us, Dennis, what is Clarence Thomas's

01:24:12.440 real offense? That I can tell you. He he's not on the left and he's black. Every time I have a black

01:24:20.780 Republican or black conservative on my radio show or at a PragerU event, every single one, or even

01:24:27.580 privately, I ask them, how do your friends and family regard you? And almost always, with a certain

01:24:38.660 sadness, they speak about the relatives who won't speak to them. By the way, did you ever notice it

01:24:46.880 doesn't work in the other direction? How many relatives don't speak to a left-wing member of

01:24:53.300 the family? It's true. Isn't it fascinating? You know that it, talk about crisis. Here's a crisis in

01:25:00.280 the country that I, I feel that I'm sort of, you know, blowing in the air or as the Hungarians say,

01:25:09.300 peeing in the ocean. But I will say it anyway. The number of adult children who do not speak to

01:25:15.460 parents in this country because of the parent voted for Donald Trump or is a Republican generally

01:25:21.300 is in the millions. I have no doubt. And it doesn't work the other way. It doesn't work

01:25:29.300 because we would have contempt for a child who said, I'm not talking to my father because he voted for

01:25:34.300 Biden. I have contempt for the vote, but I also believe honor your father and mother doesn't come

01:25:40.820 with an asterisk depending on how they voted. Clarence Thomas is hated because he's a black

01:25:46.820 Republican. I know Clarence Thomas pretty well. He's a very happy man. And I have a riddle,

01:25:54.540 believe it or not. I've made up two riddles in my life. I don't remember the other one,

01:25:59.160 but I know I made up one other. What do you call a happy black American? Answer, a Republican.

01:26:07.560 And it is so eerie how I've written a book on happiness. I take that subject very seriously.

01:26:16.580 One of my 15 hours of radio each week is the happiness hour. And I've done it since 1999.

01:26:23.780 I have a lot of thoughts on happiness. And here is one. We know from every poll, including liberal polls,

01:26:32.160 that conservatives are happier than liberals and liberals are happier than leftists.

01:26:39.680 It, it, the greatest single thing we could do is have everybody get happier. That would end

01:26:47.400 the left. Clarence Thomas is happy. Jason Riley is happy. Larry Elder is happy. These guys in the

01:27:00.120 Nashville chamber, these are not happy guys. And the, the very often the unhappy resent the happy.

01:27:09.940 And what we have here is you, the resentment, putting happiness aside, answering your question

01:27:16.540 one final time. He has violated the most important political principle of the Democrats. If you're black,

01:27:24.360 you must be a Democrat. Hmm. I know happy black Democrats, but they're not partisan. They're not

01:27:31.820 political. You know, there's, there's a difference there. Like a lot of people who make politics, their

01:27:37.320 life enter a downward spiral. And you're right there. You've named some, uh, on, you know, black

01:27:45.100 conservatives who haven't gone there. But I do think, um, if the more you touch politics and leftist

01:27:51.820 politics in particular, the less happy you get, the angrier you get, we've seen a lot of examples of

01:27:56.760 it. Let's talk about, as we saw, when you showed the video at the state university at Albany.

01:28:02.200 Yeah. Let's talk about Afghanistan because it's big in the news today and it's truly unbelievable.

01:28:10.860 The amount of denialism by this administration about their lowest moment since Joe Biden took office

01:28:17.020 is truly stunning. And it's, it's, it's hard to stun people, but they've done it. They took a look at

01:28:22.440 the Afghanistan withdrawal and how disastrous it was. And they have determined it's all Trump's fault.

01:28:28.560 Joe Biden has taken zero responsibility for any of it, which actually led a spicy press corps,

01:28:37.480 uh, to give John Kirby, the Pentagon spokesperson, a rather hard time. I mean, this was the press doing

01:28:43.740 what it ought to do. And we've pulled a bit of sampling from an extraordinary press conference

01:28:48.960 yesterday. Watch this. Does the president have any regrets about how this withdrawal was carried

01:28:53.660 out? The president's very proud of the manner in which, uh, the men and women of the military,

01:28:58.740 the foreign service, the intelligence community, I went on and on and on, uh, conducted this,

01:29:03.160 conducted this, uh, withdrawal. There were children being killed. There were people hanging off of

01:29:08.460 air force jets that were leaving. And you're saying that you guys are proud of the way that

01:29:13.340 this mission was conducted. It doesn't mean proud of the fact that we got more than 124,000 people

01:29:22.340 safely out of Afghanistan. You bet. It doesn't seem to address the $7 billion in military hardware and

01:29:28.500 technology that was left in Afghanistan for the Taliban. You know, who was responsible for that

01:29:32.900 equipment? The Afghans and the Afghan military, as I said in my opening statement, decided they

01:29:38.940 weren't going to fight for their country. Who's going to get fired over this? The purpose of it is not

01:29:43.640 accountability. Is this process and document not about accountability? You assign so much

01:29:49.240 accountability to the Trump administration and very little comparatively to your own. After action

01:29:54.080 reviews are done, uh, to as very common practice, they are not investigations. You got to look at when he

01:30:01.200 came into office, what he was walking into. He didn't negotiate with the Taliban. He didn't invite

01:30:05.880 the Taliban to Camp David. What mistakes does the president make? He made. I'm not going to speak for

01:30:11.640 the president on, uh, on that. Nobody's saying that everything was perfect, but there was a lot that went

01:30:17.400 right. And a lot of Afghans are now living better lives in this country and other countries around the

01:30:22.600 world. It goes on, Dennis. I mean, if you look at the report, it says, um, things like this during the

01:30:31.160 transition from the Trump administration to the Biden administration, the outgoing administration

01:30:34.940 provided no plans for how to conduct the final withdrawal or to how to evacuate Americans and

01:30:40.680 Afghan allies. As if Joe Biden was totally powerless to say, let's come up with a plan before we do that

01:30:49.000 thing. No, it's just Trump's fault for not spelling out exactly how we would do it. And then Joe Biden,

01:30:55.400 this feckless man was left to just wing it. When I watched this man, the spokesman of the defense

01:31:03.200 department speaking, another recurring question occurred to me. And, and I, all of this is meant

01:31:10.860 literally not, not as attack mechanisms, just as a general principle, because I write so much on,

01:31:16.800 on morality is, is, is it a lie when you believe what you say? And I, it's a very tough question

01:31:28.860 to answer. If you really believe it, are you lying? You're telling a falsehood, but is telling a false

01:31:35.720 of the same as lying? I don't even have a full answer for you. So I, I don't know whether this man

01:31:43.640 saying that this country is proud or very proud of the way it left Afghanistan, by the way, I don't

01:31:52.540 think the country should be proud about leaving Afghanistan, period. I was a hundred percent

01:31:59.100 opposed to it. Had Donald Trump done it, I would have been a hundred percent opposed to it. I don't

01:32:03.320 believe Donald Trump would have, whatever agreement he agreed to with the Taliban, given the Taliban's

01:32:09.200 behavior that it was rendered null and void in any event. But if he, if Donald Trump had in fact taken

01:32:16.120 out all of our troops and left them with an air force base and left them with all that equipment,

01:32:21.600 but I, I, I think of it more on the human level, left all these people to, to, uh, to abject poverty.

01:32:30.320 There was an article, I don't remember which source, and it was about a man who actually sold one of

01:32:38.180 his children to a richer Afghan. Yeah. I think the child was about four or five. Yes. What, what we

01:32:46.180 bequeathed to them, girls can't go to school again. Was, was, is this, was this, uh, uh, what do they say?

01:32:53.900 Uh, advanced physics. Was this brain surgery to know what would happen to women in Afghanistan if the

01:33:01.760 Taliban took over? We were losing virtually no soldiers in any given year. So let, let's, let's

01:33:09.000 make another general principles. Countries where American troops are stationed are blessed. Germany,

01:33:16.620 South Korea, Japan, just to give some examples. And a lot of conservatives who have adopted fairly

01:33:23.920 isolationist views. Don't think that's a good thing. Well, okay. That's a division among

01:33:30.100 conservatives. So be it. They're still my allies, but it is a blessing. If you think morally,

01:33:35.660 it is a blessing to have American troops on your territory.

01:33:42.280 Let's end on two things. I didn't get your reaction to the Trump arrest arraignment that's

01:33:50.280 happened. That happened this week. Um, and just sort of closing thoughts on this good Friday

01:33:56.120 and where we stand when it comes to our country, our divisions and our fear.

01:34:02.300 Very quick. Uh, the president of El Salvador really said it best. He said, had, had it happened,

01:34:08.700 I'm paraphrasing, had it happened to any other country, uh, we would have realized that that country

01:34:14.440 was not a free country. It was a dictatorship. That's why I wrote my column last week. We're

01:34:20.080 moving towards becoming like the Soviet union, or if you wish a third world banana Republic

01:34:26.340 arresting a, an ex president and the leader of the opposition. Nobody in America could have imagined

01:34:35.240 this, by the way, there's a, there is a slight silver lining, not much, but a slight one. I have

01:34:43.140 a motto for my, all of my work. I prefer clarity to agreement. This is giving people clarity that the

01:34:50.600 New York times vigorously defended what Alvin Bragg did in New York city is very helpful for people to

01:34:58.980 understand that the New York times has become our version of Pravda, the Soviet communist newspaper.

01:35:05.380 It just defends the party line. That's all that matters to it. You speak about good Friday. And

01:35:12.760 of course it's Passover. That's my, that's my basic theme of everything. The fourth volume of my Bible

01:35:20.640 commentary, the rational Bible is coming out next year. I pray that people read it. Nobody writes a

01:35:27.760 commentary on the Bible to get rich, especially five volumes, but it's all there.

01:35:34.380 This is a secular battle, even though there are many wonderful secular conservatives,

01:35:39.940 as I said before, only secular people say that men give birth the chaos in young people's lives,

01:35:47.320 the belief in nonsense. This is all a result of the lack of a belief in the God and a God and

01:35:56.420 specifically the God of the Bible and the wisdom of that book. That is the crisis in a nutshell.

01:36:02.220 We need to get back to that. And it's no better time to start thinking about it or taking that

01:36:08.960 first step. Perhaps you're a lost member of the flock. Just one step back. See how it feels. See if

01:36:16.120 you feel better. See if you feel more enriched, closer to something larger than yourself. A sacrifice

01:36:21.440 that you want to make can be inspired by surrounding yourself with people of faith. And then you feel

01:36:28.040 happier, you feel better, you feel more fulfilled, and your life is more enriched. Dennis Prager,

01:36:34.600 you're the perfect person to have had on the show today. Thank you. Happy Passover to you.

01:36:40.000 And happy Easter to you.

01:36:41.780 Oh, thank you all for joining us today and all week. It was a big, big week in news. I'm sure we'll

01:36:47.700 keep at it next week. Have a wonderful Easter weekend. We're going to be watching the Ten Commandments,

01:36:52.280 as we always do. And it always leads to the very fun Doug imitations of, you bring a warm smile with

01:36:58.840 your cool water. So I'll have that for you on Monday. All the best.

01:37:07.060 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 07, 2023

Truth About Tennessee Expulsions, and Anti-Speech Activists on College Campuses, with Dennis Prager and Ian Haworth ｜ Ep. 524

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