The Megyn Kelly Show - Truth About Terrorist's Killing, and Media Lies vs. Mistakes, with Victor Davis Hanson and Adam Carolla

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.160 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Talk about a big news day.

00:00:17.240 One hour ago, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi arrived in Taiwan. It is the highest level visit

00:00:23.400 by a U.S. official in 25 years. China has warned the U.S. that we are, quote, playing with fire

00:00:31.060 and likely to, quote, get burnt by allowing this visit to take place. But, you know,

00:00:37.500 co-equal branches of government and so on. So she did it over the White House's objections.

00:00:42.440 So what happens next? This story is just beginning. Plus, as we close in on the one year anniversary of

00:00:48.160 the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal, the U.S. military has killed al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri.

00:00:55.580 Good news, right? Well, yes. But after the Biden administration declared al-Qaeda gone from

00:01:01.580 Afghanistan last year, saying the Taliban was no longer harboring any terrorists, a lot of people

00:01:07.020 wondering what the hell the guy was doing there walking around like it was not a thing in Kabul.

00:01:12.020 He was killed in a drone strike as well while he was standing in a balcony in downtown Kabul.

00:01:17.960 in a house that he and his family had been staying in. It was walking distance from the U.S. embassy.

00:01:23.900 So what are the consequences of that drone strike as opposed to precision strike like we did with

00:01:29.900 bin Laden, where we sent in the Navy SEALs and we were able to gather intelligence? Joining us now to

00:01:35.460 discuss these stories and more, one of our favorites, the extremely brilliant Victor Davis Hanson,

00:01:40.880 senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.

00:01:47.420 Victor, pleasure to have you back. What do you make of the news that we've killed the new

00:01:52.720 bin Laden? He took over al-Qaeda once we killed bin Laden in 2011. We haven't been able to get him

00:01:57.960 since. He was walking around like it was, you know, the boardwalk at the Jersey Shore in Kabul,

00:02:03.260 feeling totally free and safe there. And then we got him with a drone. What do you make of it?

00:02:10.960 Well, I think we're happy if he's gone. I mean, 50 years ago when he was in his 20s,

00:02:15.060 he was one of the people who was responsible for killing Amor Sadat. He tried to kill Mubarak.

00:02:21.360 He was involved in the Tanzania bombing. He was involved in the USS Cole. His fingerprints are all

00:02:28.640 over where either allies of the United States or Americans were killed in terrorist attacks. So

00:02:33.800 we're happy about that. But you hit it right on the nose when you announced that there was no longer

00:02:40.920 a reason to be in Afghanistan at all. That is, forget the $80 billion we left behind, the billion-dollar

00:02:48.140 embassy that who knows what the future of that is. And the $300 million Bagram Air Force Base that we

00:02:54.400 refitted, the idea was, well, there's nobody there. And now we find out he's not only there,

00:03:01.100 but he's prominently there and without worry. So it's good that we got rid of him. He was at one

00:03:08.240 time in his life, if you remember, he was the ideological architect of Islamic Jihad that kind of merged

00:03:14.260 with Al-Qaeda. Raymond Ibrahim's bin Laden reader that had all of the texts of bin Laden's speeches

00:03:22.720 and writings were mostly written by Zawahiri. And the thing about him, Megan, he was a keen student of

00:03:29.360 the United States. If you read what he was writing, say, 15 years ago, he was talking about climate change

00:03:34.880 and campaign finance reform and that the United States was an illiberal actor. So he digested the

00:03:42.380 American left and then he regurgitated it back as criticism to us, almost the way we do it,

00:03:48.160 the left does, the China does as well. So we're glad that he's gone. He was ineffective and not in

00:03:54.980 control as Baghdadi had been. There is one irony, though, Megan. When Trump got rid of Soleimani and

00:04:03.240 Baghdadi, Joe Biden was one of the fiercest critics of those operations and said that either Trump didn't

00:04:10.500 deserve credit for it or that it was provocative or that he shouldn't have done it. And so it is

00:04:20.920 ironic now that he did the same type of operation. I'm glad he did. But that's about all I can say on

00:04:29.980 that. Yeah. My team told me about this last night. My first reaction was great. That's great news.

00:04:35.980 I mean, I think those of us who lived through 9-11 as adults and had the right perspective on it and

00:04:41.520 the aftermath of it could only do one thing but celebrate the demise of an Al Qaeda leader.

00:04:46.940 But you do have to ask why. Why was he strolling around Kabul so freely and why, as President Biden

00:04:54.440 said last night, was he, according again to to the president, making videos, including in recent weeks,

00:05:03.000 calling for his followers to attack the United States and our allies? Mark Thiessen had a great

00:05:08.580 piece in The Washington Post saying that means this guy was planning and inciting external operations

00:05:13.460 against the United States from Afghanistan, possibly under protection of the Taliban, which might not

00:05:18.620 have been possible if Biden had just listened to his military commanders and left a residual U.S.

00:05:24.340 force in Afghanistan to begin with. You know, when when Biden pulled out the troops so

00:05:29.440 disastrously a year ago, he was so cavalier about doing so, the consequences of it, the manner in

00:05:37.160 which he did it. We pulled a soundbite that underscores a bit of that. It's number one. Listen.

00:05:42.800 Look, let's put this thing in perspective here. What interest do we have in Afghanistan at this point

00:05:50.580 with al Qaeda gone? We went to Afghanistan for the express purpose of getting rid of al Qaeda in

00:05:58.880 Afghanistan, as well as as well as getting Osama bin Laden. And we did. Well, there there was an

00:06:08.240 ongoing interest. And this is this was on the other side of the ledger for any president making the

00:06:13.300 decision in how to do this and how to handle the ongoing terror threat. And while it's great that we

00:06:18.260 got Zawahiri, it underscores the other point, which is there is an ongoing threat there. And

00:06:23.860 the Taliban, which has been assuring us that they're not harboring terrorists, including al Qaeda,

00:06:28.260 has been lying to us all along. Yeah, I think it's part of a general symptom and knowledge

00:06:33.440 symptomology that. I mean, there was no accident that Vladimir Putin went in to Ukraine after the

00:06:41.260 Afghanistan disaster, which was the greatest humiliation in American history in the last 50 years,

00:06:46.860 not since 1975 on the Saigon roof, had we been so humiliated. And it's no accident that Japan is now

00:06:54.580 worried about more missile tests over its territories by North Korea. And it's no accident that Iran keeps

00:07:00.780 boasting that it almost already has a bomb. And it's no accident that China, for the first time in 30

00:07:07.460 years, is openly talking about attacks on Taiwan. It's all part of the loss of deterrence that this

00:07:14.840 administration is responsible for. And you can see how they did it. I mean, with the Afghanistan, yes,

00:07:20.860 but they have turned also the military into the perception abroad is it's becoming a social justice

00:07:27.900 institution. And its primary mission is no longer to deter enemies or kill bad people and help good

00:07:33.960 people. And we can see that whether polls from the Reagan Foundation says that only 45% have great

00:07:41.200 confidence in our military, that's way down from the normal levels of support. And then in addition,

00:07:46.920 they've only met, Megan, 40% of their army recruitment. And I lay that at the feet of Mark

00:07:54.740 Milley and Lloyd Austin in those congressional testimonies when they, without any data or supporting

00:07:59.840 evidence, just suggested that an entire demographic white males were somehow under a cloud of suspicion of

00:08:06.560 white rage or white supremacy, when that particular demographic, and I don't like talking about

00:08:11.780 demographics in tribal terms, but they do. And if you're going to do it, then you should look at

00:08:17.160 who died in Afghanistan and Iraq, and they died at twice their numbers in the general population.

00:08:22.000 So there was a general sense abroad that the United States either can't or won't react in the way that

00:08:27.960 it had in the past. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's why he was there. That's why he was there.

00:08:32.960 Yeah, he was there because he thought, you know what, they're not going to do anything.

00:08:36.700 That's right. These military families who now have to say, okay, so I'm going to send my son or

00:08:41.400 daughter into the US military to fight potentially and die for their country while being lectured about

00:08:46.620 their white rage, while being shamed for their white skin. I don't think so. And you're right.

00:08:51.760 I read your piece and there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that the lower recruitment success is linked

00:08:58.540 to the woke leadership and their insistence on taking a role in the social justice movement,

00:09:04.660 which they never should have touched with a 10 foot pole. But wait. But just one other point on

00:09:09.480 on Zawahiri in Afghanistan. Two other points. Teeson says the following, and I agree with this.

00:09:16.420 You know, Kabul was a city that had been liberated. It had been liberated from Al Qaeda and its Taliban

00:09:22.320 allies. Teeson points out with the blood of courageous American service members. And now to think of the guy

00:09:28.720 walking around downtown Kabul, setting up operations, doing his videotapes. And we're supposed to skip

00:09:34.700 over that point. We're supposed to go directly to we killed him. What was he doing there? It's not

00:09:39.640 like he was some low level, no name terrorist who they never would have known was running Al Qaeda.

00:09:43.960 Al Qaeda. They did know. Right. And this guy was allowed safe harbor there for some time and was

00:09:50.660 actually releasing propaganda videos. And the other piece of it, Victor, is.

00:09:55.240 What about the drone strike? If we had had some people on the ground, perhaps we could have gone

00:09:59.960 in there, Navy SEAL like Rob O'Neill like and taken him out as opposed to doing a drone strike where we

00:10:06.240 got no intelligence. That is how it appears. And Teeson raises that point, too. He was a security

00:10:12.100 official in the Bush administration. And he's talking about how we didn't use U.S. Special Operations

00:10:17.280 Forces. We didn't get pocket litter, computers, hard drives, cell phones, documents or other material

00:10:22.580 intelligence. None of it. I think we didn't get any of that, Megan, because the attitude of this

00:10:28.540 administration is therapeutic. We saw that in Anchorage, Alaska, one of their first things in

00:10:32.860 March of 2021, when they sort of gave a sort of kind of lecture to the Chinese who just insulted

00:10:39.980 them about everything from black lives to racism. And they shut up. We saw that when Secretary Blinken

00:10:46.660 said, oh, my gosh, they broke the Doha Accords. They're not supposed to have al-Qaeda people there.

00:10:52.620 And the problem with all of this is that what they think is magnanimity that's going to be

00:10:57.780 reciprocated by kindness or reciprocal good feelings is interpreted, unfortunately, as weakness to be

00:11:03.880 exploited. And that's what happens across the globe now. And this is, again, this is a symptom of

00:11:09.000 what is going to get worse and worse and worse. People, I don't think this administration

00:11:13.740 understands that China watches things like this. They watch the Afghanistan humiliation. They watch

00:11:19.920 this attack. They don't think, wow, the Americans are really adept at taking out Zawir. They do feel

00:11:26.420 that, but they also feel, my God, they allow that guy to be right next to the U.S. embassy and they

00:11:31.520 didn't say a word. And so we saw that with the logistic, when Milley said, well, it was a strategic

00:11:38.060 failure, but a logistical success. Or when one of the generals who was fleeing Afghanistan said,

00:11:44.320 we have culturally appropriate food for the refugees when they land in Virginia. And so

00:11:50.020 they just, they can't help it, but send these messages that to other people who are not in the

00:11:55.040 same wavelength, continue to reinforce the message that Joe Biden and his people around him either

00:12:00.980 can't or won't do anything to protect American interests.

00:12:03.760 Well, on the subject of China, they're in the news today very much because of Nancy Pelosi's visit to

00:12:09.120 Taiwan. And, um, and just a little primer for people not familiar with Taiwan and China and the

00:12:17.480 issue. My belief as a news anchor is people who understand, we'll forgive you a moment's explanation

00:12:21.740 and people who don't totally follow this kind of thing will be grateful just for a one minute

00:12:26.400 explainer. Um, so Taiwan has been, been governed independently of China since 1949. Uh, but China

00:12:33.740 still sees it as part of China and, and Beijing has vowed to unify Taiwan with the mainland.

00:12:41.100 And most people who live in Taiwan just kind of want the status quo to keep going. They don't want

00:12:45.220 a massive push for independence. They don't want China to come invade and, and sort of officially

00:12:50.340 reclaim them. They just kind of want status quo to keep going. And they, they kind of have their

00:12:54.120 independence. They have their own government, um, democratically elected. They have 23 million

00:12:59.020 people. Um, and so as far as the United States goes, we've recognized one Chinese government,

00:13:05.660 that's Beijing. And we have formal ties with Beijing, not, not with Taipei, but it also,

00:13:11.660 we, the United States has pledged to supply Taiwan with weapons if necessary. Okay. Joe Biden has

00:13:16.480 specifically said that we will defend the Thai Taiwanese militarily. If China invades, that is

00:13:22.080 not consistent with our strategic ambiguity. That's our official policy saying, so we're going to stay

00:13:26.860 out of it. We're not going to take a position. We don't want to saber rattle or upset China,

00:13:31.100 but Joe Biden says what he's going to say. And then the white house continues to try to walk it

00:13:35.020 back. So that's the tension going on between Beijing and China. I'm sorry, Beijing and Taiwan.

00:13:40.640 And in the midst of this, Nancy Pelosi, I have to say for reasons I haven't totally understood right

00:13:45.500 now, decided she needed to go to Taiwan. And I get it. She's got a long history of going over there.

00:13:51.000 And, uh, and she was in Tiananmen square after it happened and she cares about the human rights

00:13:55.460 rights issues over there, but why now? And some online likes, uh, Sager and Jetty was saying,

00:14:01.360 this is like her Yas queen moment. And was it necessary at this particular moment when we're

00:14:08.480 already in, you know, sort of a proxy battle with Russia? And do we really need to be poking the bear

00:14:14.680 in China? Um, at a time when we've been asking them, you know, don't arm the Russians, don't backfill

00:14:22.640 the Russians military supplies right now as we backfill the Ukrainians. And so far it looks like

00:14:27.360 China has been complying with that. So is now really the time to go poke the, poke the bear,

00:14:34.740 right? Anyway, these are the arguments for and against her trip just now. I think it was 26. Um,

00:14:40.620 was it senators? Dev, my producer, Debbie, uh, came out and said, we're in favor of Nancy Pelosi going

00:14:46.180 there. 26 U S senators came out and said, we're in a bipartisan thing. We're in favor of what she's

00:14:50.380 doing. Even though the white house had said, Oh, 26 GOP senators said it, even though the white

00:14:54.920 house had said, don't do it. The military had said, don't do it. And now she's doing it. So

00:14:58.920 what's your take on it? You are a military expert. I should tell the audience.

00:15:02.420 Yeah. I think all of those considerations that you talked about are valid. And I don't think there

00:15:07.860 was any coordination between the speaker, the white house and the Pentagon. And so she just felt that

00:15:14.160 she's, uh, in the lacuna of presidential leadership and there is a lacuna. There's,

00:15:20.960 there's not really a force there in the white house that she's taking on increased foreign affairs

00:15:26.300 responsibility. And she thought it would not be a problem, except for accepted that the Chinese had

00:15:31.720 much more goodwill toward the left than they did to Donald Trump, et cetera. So she didn't coordinate

00:15:36.540 it, but all of that is in the past. Now the question is once China said, not only can't you not

00:15:43.860 go, but if you do go, there's going to be military perhaps, possibly military consequences. Then she

00:15:49.960 has to go. I mean, it's sort of like that often quote, quoted thing from Napoleon about the siege

00:15:55.300 of Vienna that later became, if you're going to take Vienna, take Vienna. If you're going to go to

00:15:58.840 Taiwan, then go to Taiwan. Don't back out now, because if you do, you've, uh, ceded veto power over

00:16:05.760 US foreign diplomatic travel to Beijing. And we got to put this in a larger context. This is a government

00:16:11.740 that officially, uh, had a virus that leaked out of a lab. And I think that's pretty clear now that killed

00:16:22.140 officially 10 million people worldwide, but people suggest maybe 20 or 30 or 40 million and has been

00:16:28.360 absolutely non-transparent, whether it was that phony Lancet investigation, they will not let anybody. And

00:16:34.380 that's a long other story, but they show no contrition. They're not contrite about it at all. And so you're in the

00:16:40.940 situation where China is responsible for destroying an American administration, destroying an economy,

00:16:48.040 giving us, uh, all sorts of social, psychological, cultural problems from this crazy two-year lockdown.

00:16:55.660 And then after doing all that, not apologizing, then they're telling the United States, your third

00:17:02.260 ranking official can't go to an independently governed Taiwan. And so she's got to go now and we've got to be

00:17:10.660 prepared for the worst and hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst. And because they didn't

00:17:16.520 coordinate it, they're almost blaming each other. You know, they're saying, well, I didn't want to do

00:17:19.620 the Pentagon. Pentagon said, well, we didn't have anything to do with that. That's crazy. They should

00:17:23.000 all be in the same front. They should have rallied around her and privately, they should have said,

00:17:27.220 what the blank is she doing? But publicly, they should have said, the Speaker of the House of

00:17:32.920 Representatives is a US official. She's in charge of funding US foreign policy. She has a primary role that's

00:17:39.700 independent of the White House as a legislative branch. And we support her efforts to, for their

00:17:45.340 diploma. That's all they had to say. And they didn't do it. Mm-hmm. Good point. I mean, cause

00:17:49.720 there's, there's the two questions of should she have done it in the first place? And what should

00:17:54.040 she have done once threatened by China, by China and national review had a piece out saying once

00:17:58.780 threatened, she had to go. You're saying once threatened, she had to go because it's about more

00:18:02.500 than Nancy Pelosi at that point. It's about us, the United States. But was it a good idea for her to

00:18:07.880 pick now to go in the first place? Different question. I want to pick up on what you just

00:18:12.520 said. So President Biden and President Xi just had a phone call and the White House press corps got the

00:18:18.800 chance to ask Corrine Jean-Pierre, the terrible press secretary. She just, she's just not effective

00:18:25.020 at her job at all about whether our president raised the issue of, of COVID origins with the Chinese

00:18:33.960 leader. Like, did we have the guts to raise it in what was like a two and a half hour phone call?

00:18:39.640 Just raise it. And here's a little bit of how that went in soundbite four.

00:18:45.240 Did President Biden ask President Xi anything about getting to the bottom of the origins of COVID?

00:18:52.040 So on the origins of COVID, the two presidents did discuss the health security and transparency

00:19:02.360 as key part of that. That's pretty vague. Did President Biden tell Xi to start cooperating

00:19:09.960 in the investigations into the origin of COVID that killed at least a million Americans?

00:19:14.920 I am just not going to go beyond what I just laid out.

00:19:17.640 You can't tell us whether or not the president pressed Xi to be more cooperative.

00:19:21.640 I'm just not going beyond, I am not going to go beyond the readout that I just gave you.

00:19:27.640 We don't get to know.

00:19:30.280 Well, I think that's a big no. And when she talks in the third person abstract,

00:19:36.120 about the question of transparency, not an abstract question, transparency, it's a Chinese will,

00:19:41.320 will not tell the truth about the type of research gain of function that was going on in that lab.

00:19:47.320 And it escaped. And we know that now. And people, I mean, there was a great op-ed by Dr. Stephen Quay,

00:19:54.680 and I think it was Richard Mueller from UC Berkeley's Lawrence Laboratory. And they were summarizing

00:20:00.280 what was the consensus, not extraneous opinion, not people who were right a year ago that were

00:20:05.880 demonized. But pretty much the genetic sequence is now accepted by the majority of scientists that this

00:20:13.560 thing does not appear in nature on its own like this, and it doesn't function like it has, and it

00:20:18.920 doesn't mutate like it has. And it was, and they're not saying that it was deliberate. They were saying

00:20:23.960 that it was released from a sloppily conducted lab that had leaks in the past. But the point is that

00:20:30.600 that they're responsible for destroying the world economy and millions of people. And they did it out

00:20:36.920 of negligence or laxity at best. And we don't want to get into what the worst scenario was that the lab

00:20:42.920 was run by the Chinese People's Liberation Army. But nevertheless, they have, they show no contrition at

00:20:48.200 all. And just to forget that is crazy. And that's what emboldened them to get on their hind legs and tell

00:20:54.920 us what we can do and what we can't do. At some point, Megan, some administration is going to have to

00:21:00.520 have symmetry. And by that, I mean, they're going to have to tell the Chinese, you've got 380,000 students

00:21:08.120 here, we have 2,500 in your country. Most of your students are children of party members. And we're no,

00:21:14.280 we're not going to allow that to happen. And we're going to build down. And we're going to have a reciprocal

00:21:19.640 number in each country. And we're going to have to go through trade, we're going to have to do

00:21:24.520 commerce, we're going to have to do every single issue and say, we're not provocative.

00:21:29.240 But whatever your policy is toward us, we're going to reciprocate in kind. So if Americans cannot go

00:21:35.800 over and buy farmland within a particular radius of a military base in China, if at all they can buy it,

00:21:41.640 then you can't hear. Because it's clear after 30 years that every time these asymmetrical

00:21:47.080 issues arise, they see it as weakness to exploit. And they get emboldened. And that's their way of

00:21:53.480 thinking. And the only thing they understand is deterrence. So I hope we can be symmetrical and

00:21:58.520 just review every aspect of this relationship. It's one of the downsides, one of the many downsides

00:22:04.600 of the Putin invasion into Ukraine, which has made us focus on him and not China, right? And we've

00:22:11.240 sort of taken our eye off of that ball and made China more necessary in our lives, where we're

00:22:16.600 kind of trying to get a more equal footing with them on certain of these issues. And we're doing

00:22:21.880 exactly the opposite. Something you said reminded me of a piece that you wrote. So Biden,

00:22:28.440 his poll numbers dropped precipitously when he did the disastrous pullout from Afghanistan a year ago.

00:22:34.680 He's never recovered. And now he's got the lowest average polling for his entire presidency of any

00:22:40.600 president in the modern era, Trump, anybody. But it all started with Afghanistan. And you had a piece

00:22:47.560 recently saying, OK, so we understand the polls are low, but the left should be happy with Joe Biden.

00:22:55.480 The truth is that they they should really like this guy. So we'll get to why they don't. But can you make

00:23:03.800 the case for why the left should be celebrating him as their leader?

00:23:07.720 Well, can you think of one policy issue that he's disagreed with with the left? I mean,

00:23:13.560 he destroyed the border. They wanted that. They don't like us overseas at all. He got out.

00:23:18.840 They contextualize crime as sort of the fault of society. He agrees with that.

00:23:24.520 He stopped all new federal leases on oil and gas. He shut down Anwar. He canceled Keystone.

00:23:30.200 He's done everything they wanted. And so now when their their own agenda blew up and the people

00:23:36.520 despised it, they're attacking the messenger, not their own message. And they think, you know what,

00:23:41.080 if we had a glib young Gavin Newsom, just think of it, he might be more articulate and he could

00:23:46.200 repackage. No, it's not the problem. It's not the messenger. It's the message. And so I'm if you're

00:23:51.960 a Republican or a conservative, you're kind of, you know, not happy what they're doing to the United

00:23:56.840 States, but you're thinking they don't learn. So they're going to go double down on this message

00:24:00.920 and it's going to get worse and worse for them. And we can see that with a lot of these minority

00:24:05.400 communities losing their support. But it's the message. It's not Joe Biden. He's the point.

00:24:11.320 Megan, right now, if they had just taken the policies they inherited on the border, on the

00:24:15.880 economy, on foreign policy, on crime, on energy, you and I would be talking about good old Joe Biden

00:24:22.200 from Scranton. You know, he kind of forgets things, but my gosh, the border is secure.

00:24:26.040 We've got, we're pumping up to 15, 16 million barrels. We've got that force in Afghanistan.

00:24:32.440 Crime is still low. GDP is coming back. We don't have the inflation. That's what we'd be talking.

00:24:37.880 We'd be kind of laughing that Joe Biden seems to be non-complice Memphis at times,

00:24:42.760 but we wouldn't see that as a serious liability that we do now because he's a force multiplier,

00:24:49.640 but he's not the catalyst for the message. So it was such a good point when I was reading

00:24:55.320 your issues, you know, statement of each issue and what he's done. Yeah. I mean,

00:24:59.240 we know he's governed from the far left. So where's the love? You know, where's the beef?

00:25:03.480 Where's the love? Why? Why do they so desperately two thirds of Democrats, according to the New York

00:25:09.640 Times poll a couple of weeks ago, want him gone? They don't even want him on the ticket for his second

00:25:14.600 run. I think part of it is that they feel that their message is unchangeable, that it's part of

00:25:22.520 their Bible, their doctrine, and they want an effective mouthpiece, a megaphone, and they look

00:25:27.160 at him and they don't see it. And they really put a high premium on that. The media, academics,

00:25:32.360 on rhetoric and glibness. That's why they love Barack Obama. He could have a terrible message,

00:25:38.200 but he was glib. And they think that if Joe Biden was as glib and as rhetorical as Obama, then their

00:25:44.680 message would not be unpopular. And then the second thing is they put a high-prime, uh,

00:25:50.440 primacy on, well, everybody does, but they especially on looks and attitude, kind of JFK,

00:25:57.000 youth, Clinton youth, Obama, forward-looking, all that. And when they see an age of Joe Biden

00:26:04.360 that looks decrepit to be, I mean, I'm being cruel, but I'm being accurate, then they, they get

00:26:09.160 embarrassed. They said, that's not our, that's not who we are. We're not, we're not an 80-year-old

00:26:13.880 that can't finish a sentence. We're the party of JFK and Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. And so

00:26:21.800 it's a psychological mechanism, but not confronting reality that this is one of the rare times in

00:26:26.680 American political history that the left got the presidency, the house and the Senate, and they had a

00:26:32.760 green light and they basically destroyed the economy and then destroyed foreign policy and

00:26:37.560 they just destroyed cultural life in our major city. And they can't, they can't come to grips with

00:26:43.400 that reality. One of the issues you mentioned was crime. And that continues to be an ongoing problem

00:26:49.320 in most of our major cities of skyrocketing murder rates, assault rates, robbery rates. I could go down

00:26:55.800 the list and, you know, many people who analyze this for a living. And also those of us who just

00:27:02.040 report on a day after day, believe this is in part the fault of the soft on crime prosecutors and soft

00:27:06.920 on crime policies that have been put into place in these cities, including things to the likes of George

00:27:12.200 Soros, who has invested some 40 plus million dollars in getting soft on crime DAs elected like Chesa Boudin,

00:27:20.840 who was just recalled in San Francisco, the LA prosecutor, the Philly prosecutor,

00:27:26.120 the New York prosecutor, all these DAs got elected in part thanks to Soros money.

00:27:31.080 So he comes out with an op-ed this past weekend in the Wall Street Journal.

00:27:36.200 And I mean, it was like an alternate universe, his take on how this, he says,

00:27:43.160 okay, some people try, have tried to blame these recent spikes in crime on the policies of

00:27:47.000 reform-minded prosecutors. The research I've seen says otherwise, quoting now,

00:27:52.360 the most rigorous academic study analyzing data across 35 jurisdictions shows no connection,

00:27:58.680 none, no connection, he writes, between the election of reform-minded prosecutors and local

00:28:03.400 crime rates. You will not be surprised to hear, Victor, he did not specify the study or research

00:28:09.400 to which he was referring. So we're just going to have to take his word for it,

00:28:13.960 despite the fact that you've got unprecedented levels of murders in Philadelphia and LA saw 46%

00:28:22.760 increase in homicides during George Gascon's first year in office and so on and so forth it goes.

00:28:28.920 Soros goes on to say he has no intention of slowing down his financial support of these liberal

00:28:34.600 prosecutors and says, the funds I provide enable sensible reform-minded candidates to receive a

00:28:39.480 hearing from the public, quote, judging by the results, the public likes what it's hearing.

00:28:46.280 Yeah, well, you know, he did say, what he did, I think the subtext is he did admit that he funded all

00:28:51.080 these people. He's from, he thinks it's good, but before all of these candidates, at least in

00:28:55.880 California with Gascon and Boudin, they were denying that Soros gave him money because he filtered

00:29:01.000 to do third and fourth party pacts. But now he at least says, I'm responsible for these people,

00:29:07.000 and they're good. And he doesn't quote what their doctrine is, and we know what it is. It's critical

00:29:14.040 legal theory that says that laws don't reflect moral values or innate human nature. They reflect

00:29:20.440 constructs by white male heterosexual Christians that have positions of power. So if you go into a

00:29:26.760 store and you steal a candy bar, they have constructed that as illegal because wealthy

00:29:33.000 people, white male wealthy people don't steal candy bars. Therefore, what they don't do,

00:29:37.640 they make it legal. That's sort of a nutshell of what they believe. As far as when he says,

00:29:42.280 I studied, you're right. He didn't mention any, but even if he did, he could probably drag up one of

00:29:47.560 these. But we live in an age, Megan, when 50 experts with all sorts of letters after they assured us

00:29:54.200 that Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation. Our 1,200 healthcare professionals, remember them

00:30:00.360 who said it's innate to Black Lives Matter, mental health to go out and violate quarantine and masking

00:30:06.920 right in the middle of the COVID lockdown. I think those 15 Nobel Prize winners who assured us

00:30:13.240 that Joe Biden's Build Back Better, our earlier Recovery Act was not inflationary.

00:30:17.960 So I don't have any confidence in these people anymore. I think they're all warped and absorbed

00:30:24.520 by ideology. And so I work in that field. I'm in an academic field. I can tell you firsthand that when

00:30:31.080 I see somebody say something who's a PhD or an MBA or a JD, I don't have any more credence or any less

00:30:38.760 credence than I do a person out here on my farm that does tractor mechanics. In fact, probably less,

00:30:45.080 because I think the academic world has been perverted and subverted by ideology. And you can

00:30:51.480 get anybody to do any study for ideological reasons now. I saw that with the research about the origins

00:30:58.600 of COVID. When the Lancet investigation came back, sent them all, Peter Daszak's hand-picked

00:31:04.120 ECHO Health nominees, they went over there, they made a routine, cursory examination. Chinese said,

00:31:11.160 you're not going to get any. They came back and said, wow, all of our expertise show us this was

00:31:15.400 a pangolin or a bat. And now that's all been refuted, repudiated. They've all been shamed. And

00:31:23.320 they were the best, supposedly the best people in the world.

00:31:26.920 They're at it again this week. We're going to get this to this tomorrow in great detail, but

00:31:31.560 they're at it again. Two of these same authors just came out with another piece in Science Magazine,

00:31:37.160 which is being hailed by, you know, people who refuse to take a look at the lab leak theory

00:31:42.040 with any seriousness, saying, no, it really looks like it came from an animal. Like,

00:31:46.440 would you just stop? We know about the nearly $10 million you got from Anthony Fauci.

00:31:51.560 We know you were on record saying this looks very much man-made prior to him giving you that money

00:31:57.480 or promising you that money. Like, the graft, the lies, they go on. And that's why it's so infuriating

00:32:05.720 to see our president talk to the Chinese government. And we know the Chinese government has subsidized

00:32:09.880 a lot of medical journals and research. And it's very hard to find anybody in the corporate world,

00:32:16.920 sports, academic world, scientific research that has not had some experience with Chinese

00:32:23.480 subsidies, subsidies, whether, you know, a grant or a visit, or, I mean, there's American names on

00:32:29.640 virology labs in China and the lungs, the lungs that were genetically engineered to resemble in mice,

00:32:37.480 to resemble humans came from an American researcher. So what we're basically looking at is

00:32:44.840 they compressed 100 years of careful, steady, steady virology research in the West that had developed

00:32:53.800 an entire protocol of safety mechanism, not always in the best way, but they had. And then they just

00:33:01.160 stole it, or they were given it, or they bought it. And they compressed that 100 years into about 20 years.

00:33:07.400 And basically, they got people doing the most dangerous research in the world that's almost

00:33:12.680 analogous to a bioweapon without any expertise. It's like giving a child, you know, instead of giving

00:33:21.400 a child a BB gun, you give them a .30-06 with a scope and say, go out at eight years old. What do you

00:33:26.840 think would happen? With no supervision? None. No supervision whatsoever. We talked about politics

00:33:33.240 just a bit. It's still looking, according to most pollsters, like the Republicans have a lock on winning the

00:33:37.960 House come the midterms, which are now 98 days away. The Senate could be as well. And so if the

00:33:44.040 Republicans take over both Houses of Congress and perhaps even the White House in 2024, Victor,

00:33:50.680 with a provocative question this week, asking, is turnabout fair play?

00:33:59.960 Before we get to your piece on are the new progressive rules reciprocal? Because I really,

00:34:09.800 I like this piece a lot. And you raise very good questions in it. Can we spend a minute on immigration

00:34:15.400 and the wall? Because the Biden administration has been criticized this week for rebuilding Trump's wall.

00:34:23.640 And Biden had said when he was running that he was not going to build this wall. He wasn't going to

00:34:29.400 touch this wall. He said, there will not be another foot of wall constructed in my administration.

00:34:33.400 That's number one. He published an op-ed in the Miami Herald saying the slogan, build the wall,

00:34:38.680 is divorced from reality. A wall won't stop the flow of illegal narcotics or human trafficking.

00:34:46.040 He halted new wall construction after he took the office. He's anti-wall. That's true. He's anti-wall.

00:34:50.840 However, wait, there's a section of the border wall, wall, I say, near Yuma, Arizona.

00:34:58.760 And they are they are going to complete a section of it. The Biden administration,

00:35:03.480 the plan includes filling four major gaps. This is the third busiest crossing for migrants who can

00:35:08.840 easily just walk across the river to surrender to board officials there or just get across.

00:35:12.600 Unclear when construction will begin. But the administration has decided rather than explaining

00:35:18.680 what's really happening or the fact that they've now come to believe walls do work.

00:35:23.800 Why else would we be fixing it to kind of go into denialism? Here's again, Karine Jean-Pierre.

00:35:30.440 Sound by the Biden.

00:35:31.320 Why is the Biden administration building a border wall in Arizona?

00:35:36.200 So we are not we're not finishing the wall. We are cleaning up the mess the prior administration

00:35:45.480 left behind in their in their failed attempt to build a wall.

00:35:49.320 But President Biden, when he was a candidate, said there will not be another foot of wall

00:35:54.760 constructed in my administration. So what changed? We are not finishing the wall.

00:35:59.480 Okay. Okay. What do you what do you make of it?

00:36:06.280 Yeah, she's Orwellian. I mean, they they always knew walls work. That's why they didn't like them.

00:36:12.840 They knew they worked too well and they want open borders for a variety of reasons. They want a new

00:36:17.800 demographic. They want to flip states from red to blue. They want a large tribal constituency and

00:36:25.400 ethnic constituent vote on their superficial appearance. That's what they like. That's who

00:36:30.680 they are. Well, so they know walls worked and they and they didn't want them. And so when she said

00:36:36.520 that was very laughable to clean up the mess, well, the mess was that Donald Trump was sued every day

00:36:41.400 of the week by left wing lawyers to stop the wall and even had insurrection activity within the so-called

00:36:48.680 administrative state that tried to stop it. And the only reason that we have any of the wall,

00:36:53.320 and he rebuilt, he started on new sections, but he mostly rebuilt the decrepit old section was that

00:36:59.480 he just was obsessed with it. And so when she says that he left the mess, what she's meaning is that

00:37:04.520 we were able to stop him through lawsuits at key points and junctures. And now we find out that

00:37:11.000 people are pouring through here. We have no problem with that, except there's an election in Arizona.

00:37:15.560 And one of these Trump senator candidates, to take one example, Blake Masters is going to win,

00:37:21.720 and Kelly is going to lose. And one of the issues that's hurting us is this open space

00:37:28.840 influx of illegal aliens. So we're going to build a wall and hope that for temporary fix,

00:37:35.000 it doesn't look too bad by November. And then we're going to deny that we're doing it. And that's all she's

00:37:39.400 doing. I don't know. I don't know quite their strategy because people are not stupid. And when

00:37:45.560 they hear that and say that, you know, we're not building a wall, we're not doing one foot of a wall,

00:37:50.600 we're cleaning up a mess. They don't believe that. They know that that's a lie.

00:37:55.080 Of course.

00:37:55.880 So it's insulting. It's insulting to people. And it's insulting to a lot of, we've talked about this

00:38:02.040 before, but one of the reasons, and they think this is counterintuitive, but one of the reasons the

00:38:07.800 Hispanic vote is peeling off from Democrats is that they are ground zero. Even I'm six miles,

00:38:15.160 six hours from the border, but here in my hometown, we're having an influx of people who are illegal.

00:38:21.160 And you can just predict what's happening. They go into the schools, they go into the federal and

00:38:27.240 state dialysis clinics, ERs, they need legal help, they need more nutritional and housing help. And that

00:38:35.240 all comes at the expense of either city budgets that are adjudicated by Mexican American politicians

00:38:42.920 and officials or recipients who are poor that are citizens or legal residents. So why would anybody

00:38:49.160 be for that? And, and especially the insulting idea that we're going to put these immigrant communities,

00:38:55.560 uh, we're going to have immigrant communities, second and first, third generation be

00:39:00.600 the reason on the receiving end of illegals. There's another subtext that nobody talks about,

00:39:05.800 Megan. And that is that, uh, for the first time, a large, uh, percentage of these immigrants are not

00:39:13.160 even Spanish speaking. They're from the Caribbean Haitians or from the Arab world or from Asia. And that,

00:39:20.040 that has changed the attitude in the Hispanic community enormously.

00:39:23.160 Mm. That's a good point. Yeah. One of the other consequences of this open border,

00:39:27.560 we talked about it last week on the show or the week prior to my vacation, which is, um,

00:39:31.880 when, when chased, they bail out of these cars and make a run for it. And it happened in places like

00:39:38.680 Uvalde, Texas, to the point where the school was just immune from any sense of emergency.

00:39:45.400 When this happened on their property, they were used to these bailouts where these illegal immigrants

00:39:49.320 would just be running across their school property and may not have perceived the danger,

00:39:54.280 according to the reports, when this guy first showed up on school on school campus. I mean,

00:39:59.640 there's just all sorts of unforeseen consequences to an open border. And, and by the way, now that's

00:40:06.920 why the Texas governor and the Arizona governor are, are busing illegal immigrants to Washington,

00:40:14.280 D.C. And Mayor Bowser is beside herself. She's begging now for the Biden administration to do

00:40:22.360 something. She says the pace has reached the tipping point. Um, these are abhorrent operations.

00:40:30.360 The situation is dire. It's a humanitarian crisis, one that could overwhelm our social support network.

00:40:37.560 We need immediate and sustained federal intervention. Oh, you know, it's not so pleasant,

00:40:43.240 is it? When you feel this, uh, when you're not a border state or city.

00:40:47.400 Yeah. When people in Arizona and Texas said just that almost literally, her talking points were

00:40:53.800 borrowed from people on the border in Texas and Arizona. She and other people, uh, on the left

00:40:59.320 said they were racist, but she should celebrate diversity. And, and that, according to the left's

00:41:04.120 own logic, this is a bonanza. You have a diverse group of people coming in more diverse than any other

00:41:08.600 group of illegal aliens. And she has an opportunity to celebrate it. And she should. And, you know,

00:41:15.560 I, I admit, I wrote, I mentioned in a column of not too long ago that we have about 2 million vacant

00:41:21.560 dormant for is right now on our, our university colleges or colleges and university campuses.

00:41:28.280 They have many of them have med schools, law schools. Uh, they have student interns, they have a dormant,

00:41:35.720 not just dormitory, but cafeteria. They're the ideal place for temporary residents for these people.

00:41:42.520 So you could bus them into Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Duke, uh, University of Texas, let them live there

00:41:47.720 for two months and get acculturated. And then when school starts, they could leave. But

00:41:52.760 the left is very funny because it's always in the abstract, the performance art and virtues

00:41:57.640 signal in the abstract. And then when they're subject to the consequences of their own ideology,

00:42:02.120 rather than somebody that they call a clinger or deplorable, but them, then they get outraged.

00:42:08.120 And that really kind of begs the question, what, what is their ideology if they're not

00:42:13.480 comfortable in the, in the concrete? So they, they, they talk about open borders and they love

00:42:17.720 diversity, but yet they don't want anybody that is diverse from south of the border anywhere near them.

00:42:24.040 And you almost think it's a psychological mechanism to hide their own on discomfort

00:42:29.640 with diversity, or they don't feel, they don't feel exactly right. Or, or how they don't,

00:42:33.960 they don't care that their defund the police pushes and, and their black lives matter messaging

00:42:38.920 has hurt black and Brown communities more than anybody. They don't care. They don't want to get

00:42:41.800 to that part of the story. And this is why I loved your piece. Are the new progressive rules

00:42:46.280 reciprocal? Because you raise some very interesting questions. If Republicans take control of both

00:42:52.920 houses and or the white house, some of this stuff could be done just with control of the house

00:42:56.920 alone. Um, give us some of the examples you think, you know, they, they might consider trying

00:43:03.240 on the progressive to see if they really meant in principle that it was okay, for example, to protest

00:43:10.040 at the homes of Supreme court justices. Yeah. I mean, do they really want to live in a world and I'm,

00:43:15.960 I'm not, I'm not rhetorical where, um, when the Republicans take charge that conservatives

00:43:22.760 march up to Sotomayor's house, Justice Sotomayor, or they swarm her in a restaurant or every once in

00:43:29.240 a while, Mitch McConnell says, we're going to pack the court. We need 15 judges. Or he leads

00:43:34.120 a group of people out to the Supreme court doors and says, uh, Sotomayor, Kagan, you sow the wind,

00:43:42.040 you're going to reap the whirlwind. You have no idea what's going to hit you. Do they want to live,

00:43:45.960 do they want to have, um, a president in 2025 go across, go overseas and trash the Supreme court

00:43:53.080 when they make a liberal ruling? Do they want conservative, uh, legal clerks to leak, leak, uh,

00:44:00.520 opinions on liberal judges rulings in advance to mobilize opposition to them? But there's a lot of

00:44:07.000 things that they have destroyed the protocols that I don't think they're going to like if they were

00:44:11.400 boomerang back. And even in the, in the Congress, do they really want a congressional impeachment in

00:44:17.000 the first term and say a year from now where they go to the Joe Biden, they say, you know what? He

00:44:22.760 didn't even force. He didn't even make an attempt to faithfully execute the laws on the border. And

00:44:28.040 we're going to impeach him, even though we don't think we'll have the votes in the Senate. And then,

00:44:31.480 you know what, maybe when he's on his way out, we're going to impeach him a second time for his

00:44:35.640 family, uh, leveraging quid, quote, quote, grifting. And even if he's a private citizen,

00:44:40.920 we'll go after him. And do we want to have Kevin, um, McCarthy to tear up the state of the union

00:44:47.080 address when Joe Biden has another state of union address? It's untrue and exaggerates. He's so angry,

00:44:52.760 national television, he tears it up. And so there's all these protocols that they have destroyed on

00:44:59.160 the assumption that they're so morally superior. Nobody would ever in that fashion, uh, play it

00:45:05.880 back on them. And I, that's a good question though, Megan, that I'm not saying they're antithetical,

00:45:11.320 but when the Republicans take over, they're going to have an old versus new Testament question. Do you

00:45:16.760 reply in kind? Uh, do you tell the squad, you know what, we, you, you're not going to be on any

00:45:22.600 committees. If the speaker in this new way of thinking, this new protocol paradigm can veto the

00:45:28.280 minorities selections and nominations for a year. No squad member is going to be on a

00:45:33.000 congressional committee. We just want to let you know that is that, is that necessary to teach them

00:45:38.600 not to do these things or is it sort of, well, let's move on and have an agenda. Maybe you can

00:45:44.200 have agenda and do both. I don't know, but I'm getting kind of to the point where if they don't

00:45:49.320 feel some of the boomerang, they're going to do it again. And so they need, they need to know the

00:45:56.120 consequences of what they're doing. Well, look at, look at how well that worked

00:45:59.800 out for them with Supreme court filibusters being eliminated. First, they said lower court, just

00:46:05.160 judges, we're going to get rid of the filibuster just for them under Harry Reid. Mitch McConnell

00:46:09.400 said, you will rue the day. We'll be in charge of this chamber. One day he changed it for Supreme

00:46:13.800 court justices and now Roe versus Wade has been overturned. So turnabout is fair play.

00:46:19.160 They're just, they're talking about the filibuster because they're not sure they can always get,

00:46:23.320 you know, they're not sure they can override because of the closest in the Senate. And so

00:46:30.120 they're talking about eliminating the filibuster again. Barack Obama had said, you know, at the

00:46:35.080 funeral, John Lewis had been the racist relic of Jim Crow, et cetera. So when, maybe when the

00:46:40.600 Republicans say, if they win the Senate with 53, 54 seats, they might say, you know what,

00:46:46.200 they had a great idea. Let's eliminate the filibuster. And they would go crazy if anybody did that.

00:46:50.840 Yeah. It'll be, it'll be fascinating to see what the press writes after being so pro these,

00:46:55.640 you know, very normal norms. I got an answer. Oh, sorry. Yeah. No worries. We're up against a

00:47:01.720 hard break. Other I'd, I'd like, I'd keep this going forever. It's wonderful talking to you as

00:47:06.200 always, Victor Davis Hanson. You've got to check them out, read them, listen to him and thank him

00:47:10.280 because we're lucky to have him. Uh, all the best to you up next. Adam Carolla is here. Love him too.

00:47:15.800 We'll have some laughs and go over his latest musings on his book on life and on this controversy

00:47:21.080 that's breaking over at the view. Welcome back to the Megan Kelly show. Our next guest is our good

00:47:30.400 friend, Adam Carolla, host of the Adam Carolla show and author of the brand new book. Everything

00:47:36.520 reminds me of something advice answers, but no apologies. Welcome back, Adam. So great to have

00:47:43.320 you here. Another book. I'm excited about this and this is where I want to kick it off. One of the

00:47:49.080 great points you raise in the book, which I couldn't agree with more, uh, is as follows. I would argue

00:47:55.540 in today's climate news is more harmful than alcohol, internet porn, or any thing you would give up any

00:48:02.000 other thing you would give up for lent. Uh, and you make the point that a network should not have

00:48:06.620 positions on things like do masks work? Does ivermectin work? Does hydroxychloroquine work?

00:48:13.140 And so on, but they do take positions. They do. They're getting more and more opinionated and it's

00:48:18.900 mostly all on the left side. And I've got a couple of examples that I want to go over with you on. Um,

00:48:26.120 so first of all, the view stepped in it late last week, they were covering turning points, uh, having

00:48:32.700 its sort of young people summit down in Florida. This is a right-leaning organization. And, um, they saw

00:48:39.100 neo-nazis protesting, whatever they do outside of the event. And this is where joy and whoopee went

00:48:47.300 with that video. Watch.

00:48:49.540 Neo-nazis were in the front of turn out there in front of the conference, uh, with anti-semitic,

00:48:55.920 um, slurs and, um, you know, the Nazi swastika and a picture of a so-called Jewish person with

00:49:03.840 exaggerated features, just like, like Goebbels did in the Hitler in during the Third Reich.

00:49:10.040 It's the same thing, right out of that same playbook.

00:49:12.040 I think it's important that every single person that attended that turning point,

00:49:17.040 every Republican speak up against the swastikas, against the Nazi, uh, flags that were waved.

00:49:23.320 You let them in. You let them in and you knew what they were. So you are complicit.

00:49:29.680 You are an idiot. They didn't let them in, Adam, at all. But these, and I'll get to their

00:49:36.200 backtracking one second, but these women can't help themselves. They see an organization like

00:49:41.500 Turning Points holding a youth summit and they automatically think neo-nazi.

00:49:46.160 Yeah. It's, uh, it's a weird, it, first off, just the concept of 2022 and recusing people of

00:49:55.560 being fans of the biggest atrocity that was ever perpetrated in the world. You know, like the most

00:50:02.480 heinous thing that's ever taken place in human history. And they accuse every third American of

00:50:10.000 like being a big fan of it. It's, it's, it's kind of just conceptually bizarre, like on its face.

00:50:17.120 You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. That's where their mind goes. They don't say, oh,

00:50:21.240 it's a bunch of agitators out there. We've seen this many times. They say, oh, Trump supporters,

00:50:26.840 they're all neo-nazis. You let them in. Nobody was let in. They were, Turning Points had security

00:50:33.200 try to get rid of these people, but it turned out that they were on public properties. And so there's

00:50:37.060 only so much you can do. And I've seen, I've seen this happen before. Whoopi clearly had a phone

00:50:42.500 call during the break from what they have at ABC, what they have at NBC, CBS called standards and

00:50:47.880 practices, which is a bunch of like old people sitting around a conference table who get paid

00:50:52.880 to just watch what is said and, and, and call you up to say wrong, wrong, try to fix it before we

00:50:58.880 close out. So we don't get sued. And so here was Whoopi's attempt at cleanup before the show ended,

00:51:04.560 though it wasn't exactly contrite. Watch clarification about the neo-nazis at the

00:51:11.220 turning point event. They were outside protesters. My point was more metaphorical that you embrace

00:51:18.000 them at your thing. I felt so. I just, they were not in the building. You're an idiot. Wrong again.

00:51:25.580 You did not embrace them metaphorically either. Right. All right. So let's see if we can break it

00:51:30.920 down. First off, it's confusing to me. If you have neo-nazis protesting outside, aren't they protesting

00:51:40.520 what's going on inside? So when a bunch of trans activists show up at a Dave Chappelle concert,

00:51:49.340 they're protesting Dave Chappelle because they think he's anti-trans, right? Or when the Westboro

00:51:57.220 Baptist church shows up to Kathy Griffin's standup show, they're protesting her because what she says

00:52:06.960 goes against what they say. So just the fact that you're saying a bunch of Nazi protesters showed up,

00:52:16.220 mathematically there's an, there's a problem, right? In your logic.

00:52:21.000 Turning Point. Yes. Right. Protesting what? Well, then the people at Standards and Practices got a

00:52:27.540 nasty letter from Turning Point's council, which makes perfect sense to me because you got a bunch

00:52:33.000 of young people, innocent college people who want to hear the expression of conservative ideas

00:52:37.300 discussed in a way that doesn't diminish or mock them like you see on every mainstream media offering,

00:52:44.600 including The View, and they get called neo-nazis. And you know what? That's defamatory.

00:52:50.520 And so here was the more full-throated, the lawyers have now gotten to us,

00:52:56.320 apology by Sarah Haynes on The View a couple days later, on Monday.

00:53:01.760 On Monday, we talked about the fact that there were openly neo-nazi demonstrators outside the Florida

00:53:06.200 Student Action Summit of the Turning Point USA group. We want to make clear that these

00:53:10.740 demonstrators were gathered outside the event and that they were not invited or endorsed by

00:53:16.180 Turning Point USA. A Turning Point USA spokesman said the group, quote, 100% condemns those ideologies

00:53:22.220 and said Turning Point USA security tried to remove the neo-nazis from the area but could not because

00:53:27.600 they were on public property. Also, Turning Point USA wanted to clarify, wanted us to clarify that this

00:53:33.460 was a Turning Point USA summit and not a Republican Party event. So we apologize for anything we said

00:53:39.440 that may have been unclear on these points. They had them dead to rights.

00:53:44.720 Yeah. Well, okay. So let's really break it down. Do they not, before they come out and make these

00:53:52.320 statements, whether it's about Turning Point or whether it's about Nicholas Sandman or whether it's about

00:53:58.720 Kyle Rittenhouse, or it's about Hunter Biden's laptop, do they not have access to the information that we seem to

00:54:07.580 have access to? You know what I mean? These are news outlets. So you're going after Nicholas Sandman for

00:54:15.040 rushing in front of the elderly Indian. Do you not have the video footage that shows the Indian guy

00:54:22.380 walking up to him? Because I've seen it. Everyone else has seen it. Do you not have access? Do you not

00:54:29.420 know what went on inside of that? Do you not know they were out on the sidewalk? Do you not know they

00:54:36.000 weren't let into the building? Do you not have statements from Turning Point? Do you not have

00:54:41.160 access to this information? You're a news outlet. Do you not know where Kyle Rittenhouse's dad lives

00:54:48.340 or mom lives or her mom was working that night or the gun wasn't transported? Do you not have access

00:54:55.440 to that information? Or Hunter Biden's laptop? Do you not vet it? Do you not have access to the

00:55:02.640 information? Your news outlet? My argument is you do. You choose not to ingest it, but you do have

00:55:11.600 access to the facts because everyone else sees them the next day or the same day.

00:55:18.180 Well, it's two, the problem's at least twofold. The first is when the information is not yet

00:55:23.640 at your fingertips, you've just seen a viral clip online, on Twitter, or perhaps right before you

00:55:29.980 go on the air, your bias fills in the gaps, the void, right? That's why you see Nicholas Sandman

00:55:37.100 immediately as the villain and the Native American guy as the victim when it was exactly the opposite.

00:55:43.020 That's why, conversely, you see Jussie Smollett and you believe every word he says,

00:55:48.220 and it doesn't, you don't pause to just use your common sense before you get more information of

00:55:53.020 what the hell would two MAGA guys be doing walking down Chicago in the middle of the polar vortex at

00:55:59.640 2.30 in the morning, attacking somebody with a subway sandwich while they just happen to be

00:56:04.260 carrying a noose and bleach, right? Like you check all your normal reporter skepticism because it's

00:56:10.100 going to confirm your pre-existing belief that Republicans, I mean, really, this is the answer

00:56:15.080 to all of it, are terrible, racist, white supremacists. This is the underlying sin and

00:56:20.580 virtually all of the stories you just mentioned. And once they get the information, they're unwilling

00:56:26.840 to reassess. And that's how you know it truly is bias, because if it were just innocent mistakes,

00:56:31.280 like, oh shit, I saw the wrong thing and I said the wrong thing, they would just correct it instead

00:56:36.000 of keep making it. Well, you're 100% correct. So when people say like, how come, you know, as it

00:56:43.660 pertains to COVID, how come nobody has circled back and apologized or said they were wrong? Or

00:56:50.140 Hunter Biden's laptop, you know, okay, they all got that wrong. How come there's no corrections? And

00:56:56.160 my statement is, is there is a correction when you got something wrong, but there's not a correction

00:57:02.360 when you lied. And that's why there are no corrections, because they were lying from Jump Street.

00:57:08.240 Mm hmm. Well, now you have, I don't know, I guess he's still a member of the media. But

00:57:16.740 Chris Cuomo is out there trying to get back on the air and trying to sort of play the role of

00:57:24.400 impartial news anchor. Now, like he had some questions about whether the January 6th committee

00:57:29.020 was fair. I mean, please just spare me. OK, just spare me because we all saw what you did night

00:57:34.560 after night on CNN primetime. And now actually on with Bill Maher had actually went out there and

00:57:42.040 defended CNN as not being an opinion operation. Here he was the other night.

00:57:50.740 I think that is addressing the need of serving people's interests. We were faced with something

00:57:58.140 that the media has never seen in this country before. Yes. Where somebody weaponized the truth

00:58:04.700 and won pretty much every fight he got into by ultimately blaming a system that people have

00:58:11.480 rejected, including the media and unprecedented risk is going to require an unprecedented effort.

00:58:19.360 I don't think it was about moving to opinion, meaning not relying on facts and analysis,

00:58:22.900 but they had to take it on. I felt very much that way. Not everybody did it to the degree

00:58:28.160 that I did. It was very risky to do what I did. God, first of all, with the he needs another button

00:58:35.560 done on that shirt. Nobody needs to see Chris Cuomo's chest. And second of all, the self aggrandizing.

00:58:42.460 I mean, he gets it into every single thing he says, whether it's his stupid weightlifting muscle

00:58:47.300 videos or him talking about the Me Too movement, saying, do I look like a guy who'd have to do

00:58:52.800 that? Well, yes. And now this he's got to land it with. Oh, no, not me. You know, like I had to

00:58:58.320 I did the right thing. I never bullshit. Bullshit. CNN turned fully into an opinion network under Trump.

00:59:03.680 It was all anti Trump. And now he's just trying to do a hindsight is 20, 20 cleanup in aisle seven

00:59:09.580 because he's out of a job. Yeah, I agree. And, you know, it's like they they a lot of these news

00:59:16.700 outlets did this with covid. They went. Nobody knew at the time. Nobody. It's like, OK, nobody

00:59:23.160 knew. But you shut the beaches. You shut the schools. You didn't have epidemiologists who

00:59:28.480 could have told you that going outdoors and being in the sunshine and exercising was the

00:59:33.640 best thing you could do for a virus. Like they hide behind this. Nobody knew. And then my argument

00:59:39.860 is always. All right. Well, then, if nobody knew, why are we listening to you?

00:59:44.320 Hmm. Right. Well, what do you make of the it's not even in that case? It's it's unprecedented

00:59:51.120 threat. You know, Trump, unique figure. We had to do it. We had to go full bore against

00:59:56.100 him. It's a very interesting, you know, kind of psychological dynamic, which is, look, you

01:00:03.380 could do it with the president of the United States or you could do it with your roommate,

01:00:07.340 which is once you label the person as Hitlerian and evil, then all options are on the table.

01:00:16.080 And as a matter of fact, you wouldn't be patriotic and you wouldn't be a good American if you weren't

01:00:22.180 fighting against it. So it's this thing that Democrats do, whether it's turning point or

01:00:29.740 whether it's Trump, decide that they're evil, decide that they're Hitlerian, decide that they

01:00:34.720 side with the fascists and the anti-Semites and the homophobes and the racists. And now

01:00:42.240 it's fair. Take the gloves off. Guerrilla warfare. Do whatever you want. Say whatever you want. Lie

01:00:49.080 as much as you want. You know, the French underground had a bunch of forged documents

01:00:56.140 and papers and passports. They were lying. But they're heroes for lying and forging papers and

01:01:06.120 doing all the covert actions they did. So once you decide that whoever opposes you is evil versus

01:01:14.620 just having a separate opinion, then you're allowed to do whatever you want. And that's

01:01:20.220 where all the ad hominem stuff comes in. The view, CNN, whomever, you just decide that the other side

01:01:28.700 is evil. And that's why they spend so much time making the other side evil. The right says to the

01:01:36.380 left, you know, these are bad policies, raising taxes or having a porous border, whatever the policy

01:01:43.560 is. These are bad policies, but they don't call the people homophobic, racist and neo-Nazis.

01:01:52.840 Well, I mean, we've played the clip before of Don Lemon and his panel saying anybody who voted for

01:01:58.000 Trump is a racist. Anybody, you know, that's what you voted for. Racism. That's what you are. Racist.

01:02:03.640 That's opinion. I hate to break it to you. And I could give you 25 more examples like that.

01:02:09.360 They, they, on a nightly basis, showed their hatred, hatred for the right half of the country.

01:02:16.680 And I don't think it's going to be any easier for Chris Cuomo than it's going to be for CNN,

01:02:21.320 his old network, to try to convince the American people that that wasn't real. It looked real. It

01:02:27.140 felt real. And people understood on a nightly basis how deep the loathing ran. Right. It says you can't

01:02:33.720 fix it by just trying to rewrite history. Now, speaking of racism, Sesame Street under fire

01:02:41.060 for alleged racism. We've had like three of these stories in the past week. There's like a Sesame

01:02:47.200 Street place outside of Philadelphia where you can go and you can, you know, see the Sesame Street

01:02:52.700 characters walk by in like a parade. And there was an incident showing a Sesame Street character

01:02:59.060 blowing off a little child who was African-American, who was clearly trying to get the attention of

01:03:06.340 one of the characters. Forgive me. I can't remember the name of the character. It's not in front of me

01:03:10.600 right now. But my, my crack team will get, we'll get the news to you of which, oh, it's Rosita.

01:03:16.620 Okay. Rosita, who now is being accused of intentionally, intentionally ignoring two girls,

01:03:25.440 two young girls. Um, the congressional black caucuses weighed in on this. Benjamin Crump is

01:03:30.980 involved. Here is the videotape. There comes Rosita clapping, waving. The two girls have their

01:03:40.760 hands up for a high five and Rosita clearly says no. She Rosita shakes her head. No, I think it's a her

01:03:46.820 and does like the, you know, the flat hand waving like no. Now, I don't know what was going on with

01:03:53.860 Rosita there, but Benjamin Crump tweets out. This is absolutely heartbreaking. These two young queens

01:04:00.580 did not deserve to be blatantly singled out and ignored by this Sesame Street character. Sesame

01:04:06.320 Street, Sesame Place must address their staff's disgusting behavior. Congressional black caucus

01:04:13.440 wants a meeting with Sesame Place's president about the park's practices. And, um, net then

01:04:21.260 apparently there, that image brought up a memory for a second family that had its own incident.

01:04:27.920 We've got videotape of that too earlier. And this second family we're about to show you the video

01:04:33.220 of, uh, this is from father's day has filed a class action for $25 million against Sesame Place.

01:04:40.740 Here's that one. It's Ernie, Ernie waving. And there's a black girl putting out her hand for a

01:04:50.420 high five and he did not give her a high five. He had already passed by her. Now she's still got her

01:04:57.280 hand up and Ernie's moved on to the other side of the crowd. I don't know, Adam, I gotta tell you,

01:05:01.020 um, this is going to be an uphill legal, legal battle. Uh, they're saying that they've violated

01:05:07.800 the contract not to discriminate on the basis of race when purchasing a ticket for Sesame Place.

01:05:13.360 How you are going to prove that Rosita and or Ernie scorned the girls because of skin color

01:05:21.180 is beyond me. But Sesame Place is now on its heels. First, they said Rosita did not intentionally

01:05:28.140 ignore those girls. This was all a big misunderstanding. The character was gesturing

01:05:33.120 no at someone else who was asking Rosita to hold their child. So basically saying Rosita

01:05:38.860 didn't even have her eyes on the child, the two girls in question. Then, you know, where this is

01:05:43.640 going. The second statement, we sincerely apologize to the family. We know this was not okay. Vowing to

01:05:49.960 conduct, conduct additional employee training. Then the third apology, we sincerely and wholeheartedly

01:05:55.600 apologize to the families. It's our responsibility to improve, to be very clear what the two young

01:06:00.820 girls experience, what the family experience is unacceptable. It happened in our park with our

01:06:04.360 team. We own that on and on it goes. So what's your take? Well, you know, again, like the motivation,

01:06:14.580 like here's where we're kind of losing it as a society. There is always going to be somebody

01:06:22.660 in an outfit with very limited vision. You know, you're in a mascot outfit. You have a big cardboard

01:06:29.940 head on. You're looking through your mouth, you know, like that's your field of vision is very

01:06:37.920 limited. So you could probably find hundreds of thousands of hours of footage of people in mascot

01:06:43.800 outfits, ignoring people trying to high five them. If you just pull out the black kids, then it's going

01:06:50.500 to look racist. But you could probably find another hundred thousand hours of little white kids

01:06:56.000 holding their hands up and being ignored if you wanted. But the bigger picture is whether it's

01:07:02.000 Sesame Place or the person, possibly the young lady, possibly the black young lady. I don't know who

01:07:10.620 decided to go out for the Rosita fitting or Charlie Kirk. What would be in it for them to be Nazis or

01:07:21.660 racists? Like, how would that even work? What's the economics behind it? Is Sesame, it's got to be

01:07:29.040 one of the most progressive places on the planet. Yes. Half their clientele are people of color.

01:07:35.600 The person that's in those, the people in those mascot outfits are mainly college students who

01:07:43.800 are in the area who may be of color as well. What is in it for them? Like, let's just say you're a

01:07:51.340 racist. You go, I want to do some real damage. I'm going to get a job as a, as a mascot for Sesame

01:07:59.520 Place. Like, what are you really saying? Are you, you know, is Crump saying this came down? Like, are you

01:08:07.680 going to find some smoking gun decrees, some paperwork from a pie telling the employees to ignore

01:08:15.600 or abuse black people, patrons to come to the park? Like, what do you really, what do you say? If you're

01:08:22.280 saying, I'm saying is, is you're driving on the freeway, you slow down and somebody hits you from

01:08:31.580 behind. That's because they were texting or not paying attention. You're trying to accuse them of

01:08:37.940 ramming you and trying to hurt you. And my argument would be what's in it for them. Yeah. Well, I mean,

01:08:45.440 why would they do that? It's not that they need to gain from it. It's just that they have hatred in

01:08:49.280 their heart and they don't see people of color. Well, we'll see because there's going to be more

01:08:54.040 videotape and you're, I guarantee you, we're going to see tape of Rosita high-fiving other black

01:08:59.980 children and ignoring other white children. And it doesn't matter. Sesame street is just on its heels.

01:09:07.760 It's, it's afraid it's been, it doesn't defend its employee. I'm sure this employee is mortified.

01:09:13.600 I mean, I guess I like it could turn out. This person is a raging racist and just said,

01:09:17.440 I need to play Rosita and, and show the world who deserves a high five, right? It could be,

01:09:22.240 uh, but the odds are more likely that the Rosita dissed the children because Rosita can't see very

01:09:28.100 well inside of the big costume. And there's this pretty specific explanation that somebody was

01:09:32.840 wanting the character to hold their child. If you want, if you were racist and we're trying to reject

01:09:37.040 children because they were black, would you really be looking down at the black girls being like,

01:09:41.300 Oh no, not you. Right. It's just not that plausible. But again, it's just Benjamin Crump's

01:09:47.960 got to rush in. He's got yeah. Yes. Queen, right? Like they don't deserve this. This is wrong. He's

01:09:52.780 got an agenda. He likes to get hired for the congressional black caucus to weigh in. They,

01:09:57.100 they need, they've got too much time on their hands. This is absurd. This is a private matter,

01:10:01.360 you know, play out in a civil court and it will be thrown out soon.

01:10:04.180 I agree, but it also obviously, and sadly shows that we are turning over every rock looking for

01:10:14.280 racism in this country because it's at such a premium for these people and actual acts of racism

01:10:21.060 are few and far between. So they have to conjure them. But it also, I think whether it's the view

01:10:29.660 or whether it's the national black caucus, do they ever just go this beneath us? Like, nah,

01:10:37.940 nothing to see here. We're not, we're not getting involved. We're not weighing in on this. So it just

01:10:41.940 doesn't seem to be, you know, like what if the national black caucus said, you know what? We're

01:10:46.740 looking for actual cases of racism, not crap that took place on an amusement park parade. Like that's,

01:10:53.220 this isn't, we have real issues to deal with. Right. So refreshing.

01:10:57.600 They don't know what happened and neither do we, but it'll play out. And my prediction based on what

01:11:04.380 I've seen so far is, is not going anywhere. Unless Rosita's got some long history or Ernie of doing

01:11:10.180 this kind of thing. Uh, it's not going anywhere. Okay. Much, much more with Adam Carolla right after

01:11:15.340 this quick break. Don't go away. Uh, so many more fun things to discuss that are in the news and in his

01:11:20.220 book, he's got strong thoughts. Like where the hell is Canada's contribution to the great cuisine of

01:11:27.040 North America. Welcome back to the Megan Kelly show here with us today. Adam Carolla, author of

01:11:34.440 the brand new book. Everything reminds me of something advice answers, but no apologies. I have

01:11:41.840 to tell you, this book makes me laugh out loud and reminds me of why, um, Mark Garagos, your cohost on,

01:11:47.740 on your legal podcast is always saying like you're, you're something about you. You got like this sort

01:11:51.880 of sage ability to cut through all the, the BS and just encapsulate an issue or a fact pattern

01:12:01.040 like nobody else, Adam. So if people will laugh and they will learn, uh, in when reading this book

01:12:06.160 about more things than why Canada hasn't given a shit and Mexico gave us tacos, America gave us burgers

01:12:12.820 and the North American, uh, region, nothing from Canada, nothing. Yeah. Well, somebody posed the

01:12:19.640 question, you know, which is better burgers or tacos. And I was thinking about it. I said, that's a pretty

01:12:24.960 tough question, but then it got me to thinking, yeah, we do the burgers. Mexico does the tacos, but where's

01:12:32.080 Canada's contribution to our cuisine? And it's, it's, it's silent. There's nothing. I mean, I, you know,

01:12:40.460 people bring up poutine or putting mail on fries, like you said, but that's, that's not a contribution.

01:12:45.680 No. And what a utopia we'd be living in if Canada offered as much from a cuisine standpoint as Mexico.

01:12:55.800 Could you imagine the options we'd have in this country? I mean, Mexico, you know, okay. We have a

01:13:03.380 porous border and we have a situation with folks coming into California and Texas and Arizona, but

01:13:08.780 you can't argue with the food. They've really contributed from a, from a cuisine standpoint,

01:13:16.040 more than any other country. The drinks too, not just the food, the drinks as well. I, my honeymoon

01:13:21.880 was in Mexico. It was like one of the greatest times of my whole life. Not just because I was on

01:13:25.540 my honeymoon. Yes. Canadian Debbie, let's step it up a notch. Uh, or as Adam puts it in the book,

01:13:32.000 what the fuck Canucks? I can't think of a worse neighboring country. He writes, I'd rather be next to

01:13:37.500 Hungary or Poland, or even a country in the middle East and at least get some kebab going.

01:13:43.920 All right. Uh, among Canada's many problems is it's crime. And well, in particular, it's attitude

01:13:50.120 towards guns. They have crime just like any other country and they have disarmed their entire country.

01:13:55.900 Well, the reason we like our second amendment here in America is because of incidents like the one we saw

01:14:02.540 in your state of California. I don't know if you've seen this, Adam, but it's in the town of Norco and

01:14:09.040 it's a convenience store of the same name. This thing's gone totally viral today. Uh, it, the store

01:14:15.920 clerk who is 80, sees three men come up to the store in a car. And when the one gets out, he is wearing a

01:14:24.580 mask and has a gun. It's very clear what the intention is as the guy enters his store. And the 80 year old

01:14:31.440 clerk is like stone cold box. I mean, he doesn't blink. And here's what happened next.

01:14:48.260 Mm hmm. It was four men. And, uh, the 80 year old Kirk saw him coming in. He grabbed a shotgun.

01:14:53.340 When he saw the guy coming in with the mask and the gun, the guy comes in and says, put your hands up.

01:14:56.760 The criminal says, put your hands up. And instead, you know, he put his hands up. All right. And then

01:15:00.700 he blew the guy's arms, arm off, according to the defendant who's now in the hospital and everybody's

01:15:06.120 been apprehended. Sadly, the 80 year old man had a heart attack after it was over. So screw those guys,

01:15:12.540 but is going to be expected to be okay and handled himself like a boss. Um, what do you make of it?

01:15:19.780 Well, I mean, obviously if you asked any criminal, would you like the person in that store or in that

01:15:29.680 school or in that shopping mall to have a gun versus not have a gun? The answer would be,

01:15:37.020 they would hope that nobody has a gun, but them. I mean, that's how criminals work. Um,

01:15:44.320 if the other side has a gun, if the good guys have a gun, then your gun is nullified. So why not just

01:15:52.340 do the opposite of whatever the criminals want? Do you know what I'm saying? I mean, like when

01:15:58.000 criminals are robbing a house, do they want bars on the window of the house that they're trying to

01:16:05.300 rob? Do they want a deadbolt on the front door? Do they want an alarm system low or forget it? Do they

01:16:12.860 want a German shepherd that would be trained to attack anyone who came to the front door? So if

01:16:18.200 you said to a criminal, would you like this, would you like that house on that side of the street with

01:16:23.880 no German shepherd or this house on this side of the street with a German shepherd, which house would

01:16:29.220 you like to rob criminal? They'd go, well, I'll take the house without the German shepherd. Thank you.

01:16:35.000 And if you said to him, okay, one house has a, has an owner and he has a gun. Would you like that

01:16:41.880 house? Would you like the other house? Would you like to have the liquor store with the guy with

01:16:45.860 the shotgun or liquor store with the guy without the shotgun? Well, whatever it is, they don't want.

01:16:52.060 That's what we should give them and taking away all the guns. That's what they do want.

01:16:58.940 Yeah. And this guy, I mean, I'm very happy that he managed to defend himself and he wasn't hurt.

01:17:04.940 And if you watch the whole videotape, so the whole thing's only about 40 seconds long that I saw

01:17:08.220 after he shoots the guy and he goes running out, by the way, one of his co-criminals was getting out

01:17:15.980 of the car in his mask with his gun as he saw the friend run out and say, he shot my arm off and he

01:17:20.520 got back in the car. But the point is they were about to gang up on this guy very clearly. And the

01:17:25.400 older gentleman, after firing the shot to defend himself, he stands there. He doesn't cower behind

01:17:32.660 the counter. He doesn't run. He stands there with that shotgun in case they come back in.

01:17:38.300 I have to say, I mean, I was I marveled at his nerves of steel. I'm sad to learn about the heart

01:17:44.280 attack after the fact, but he's going to be OK. And he's been running the store. I think it's his

01:17:48.260 store for 55 years. Now he's got to deal with this nonsense. And I do believe it's because of

01:17:53.400 soft on crime prosecutors in places like L.A. and San Francisco. Now they're doing better in San Fran.

01:17:58.360 But these criminals think it's open season and they know that most of these DAs aren't really

01:18:03.580 going to do anything to them. And also, it'll be funny when the ladies from The View turn on the

01:18:09.460 80 year old guy with the shotgun and accuse him of being a racist or something like just remember

01:18:16.400 they turned on that guy at the shopping mall at the food court like someone was going to commit

01:18:22.100 commit a mass shooting and that guy killed him with his gun. And they won after the guy, the hero,

01:18:32.380 the young man who killed the guy who was about to perpetrate the mass shooting. Criminals do what

01:18:40.340 they're going to do. What do we let them do? I mean, just think about the drug cartels in Mexico.

01:18:48.160 What do they do? Well, they deal pot. Well, what do we do? Well, we legalize pot. All right. So they

01:18:55.240 stop dealing pot. They start dealing fentanyl and they start doing human trafficking. Like

01:18:59.980 they're very fluid. Criminals just do what we let them do. And that's basically what they're in the

01:19:07.680 business of doing what we let them do. And so in a lot of blue states, especially California,

01:19:14.560 we have decided to go easy on them, which is then created more criminal behavior. It's it's a pretty

01:19:23.060 simple equation. I don't know how it could go any other way.

01:19:27.900 Now, everything reminds me of something to quote somebody really smart who once said that.

01:19:32.920 And this conversation is reminding me of another crime. It was the crime of assault.

01:19:37.240 And we all witnessed it at the Academy Awards this year when actor Will Smith, right before he won for

01:19:45.340 Best Actor, assaulted Chris Rock, who was hosting the Academy Award ceremony and in a in a blow that

01:19:53.020 was seen around the world, embarrassed himself and been trying to apologize ever since. Chris Rock has

01:19:58.980 yet to really squarely address it. He's made a couple of small quips here or there. But now for the first

01:20:04.420 time, Will Smith comes out in a six minute video on YouTube and almost six and really goes straight at

01:20:11.580 the issue and again, apologizes directly to Chris, to his family. But here's a little bit of what he's

01:20:16.440 done. I will say to you, Chris, I apologize to you. My behavior was unacceptable.

01:20:30.980 And I'm here whenever you're ready to talk. I spent the last three months replaying and understanding the

01:20:44.820 nuances and and the complexities of what happened in in that moment. Jada had nothing to do with it.

01:20:53.420 I'm sorry, babe. And say sorry to my my kids and my family for the heat that I brought on. All of us

01:21:07.160 disappointing people is my central trauma. I hate when I let people down. So it. It hurts.

01:21:20.640 Uh, it hurts me psychologically and emotionally to know I didn't live up to, uh, people's

01:21:29.720 image and impression of me.

01:21:34.260 All right. Well, he has a movie coming out. Apple's set to release a film starring Smith in December.

01:21:39.440 And Chris Rock. The only response we've heard so far was the night Will Smith released this while

01:21:45.940 performing in Atlanta's Fox theater. Chris Rock, not directly responding, but saying,

01:21:51.000 if everyone claims to be a victim, then no one will hear the real victims. Even me getting smacked by

01:21:56.760 Shug Smith, which appears to be a reference to Marion Shug Knight, um, co-founder of Death Row

01:22:02.620 Records, who's currently serving 28 years in prison. He, he said, I went to work the next day.

01:22:07.100 I got kids. Period. It seems to be trying to say, I'm not a victim. I'm not going to spend time on

01:22:12.400 this. I'm moving on. And it doesn't sound like it's full of forgiveness, but what's happening here?

01:22:17.900 Why, why do we get yet another apology from Will Smith? I, I don't know. You know, I would love to

01:22:26.240 really examine Will Smith's psyche because there seems to be so much going on inside his head. And he seems

01:22:34.960 so sort of tortured in, in so many ways that you don't think a guy who seemingly has it all should

01:22:43.420 feel. Um, I watched a lot of it and, you know, he did start off at the beginning of it announcing that

01:22:52.540 he was human and humans make mistakes. I never liked that. I never liked when somebody does something

01:22:58.080 wrong. And then announces, I'm just human because I'm a human. My kids are humans. You're human.

01:23:04.660 Everyone is human. You know, mother Teresa is human and Charles Manson's human. You know,

01:23:10.360 like it's kind of letting yourself off the hook when you do the, everyone makes mistakes and I'm human.

01:23:17.040 We're human. We would never walk onto the stage and assault somebody that way. So stop lumping us in

01:23:24.620 with your humanity, but he just seems so, um, haunted in a, in a weird way. I mean,

01:23:33.580 haunted is probably the wrong term, but I just mean he, it's like he has demons and I think

01:23:42.240 his wife probably helps cultivate those demons. And I feel like he should just be on top of the world.

01:23:52.500 He's good looking. He's rich. He's super talented. You know, why not just have a drink,

01:24:01.460 put your feet up, you know, have a barbecue. Like I know this sounds trite, but I mean like

01:24:07.220 at a certain point, instead of sitting around and breaking yourself down psychologically over and

01:24:14.580 over again, crack the beer and watch, watch a game. I don't blame the wife, Jada. I blame him.

01:24:22.600 I mean, there've been all sorts of rumors about their marriage for years. And if any of them are

01:24:27.660 true, uh, they both got a hand in their odd setup. Um, but I, I agree with you. He should be enjoying

01:24:35.620 life. Why is he so tortured? Why do you feel the need to make that moment about him in the first place?

01:24:40.700 And now the, I think the latest apology is he's got another movie coming out. He's gotta make sure

01:24:47.020 he's okay with everybody. And everybody knows how sorry he is and how human he is and how he's really

01:24:51.700 struggling to separate. I think it was like blame with from shame. Like I'm kind of over it. I just

01:24:57.960 like, I I'm done with his apologies. He showed us who he was and it had the exact opposite of the

01:25:03.380 effect he wanted. He's a weak person. He he's, it was about him. It wasn't about Jada. And I don't know,

01:25:09.700 Chris Rock, he hasn't forgiven him. I don't know whether the American public will, we'll find out

01:25:13.420 when his movie comes out. Um, okay. The shifting gears now the, um, Oh wait, I had to get this to

01:25:19.900 you, Adam. This just in breaking news. There has been a third incident of a character ignoring a child

01:25:29.800 in a public setting. This one comes to us out of Wayne, New Jersey. It is not a Sesame place

01:25:35.200 character. It is Chuck E. Cheese. Chuck E. Cheese is also a racist. Uh, a mother has posted a video

01:25:42.860 of Twitter of the Chuck E. Cheese mouse high-fiving numerous white children on stage, but seeming to

01:25:48.220 ignore her black daughter dancing around him on the floor. I actually saw this shortly before

01:25:52.980 air. Here is that clip. Now I don't, this Chuck E. Cheese clearly blows off this one adorable child who

01:26:17.180 happens to be black and is dancing in a sweet little pink tutu like dress right in front of him. She's the

01:26:22.440 only one from what I can see. I see that. And I think Chuck E. Cheese, who's ever inside of that

01:26:27.260 is in the wrong job. Like you do need to interact with the children. He's not like he's interacting

01:26:31.780 with white children. He's just blowing off. Everybody looks bored. I have no idea, but who

01:26:37.360 knew that there was such an epidemic of these animal puppets, uh, racism, you know, like suffering

01:26:43.720 from real and severe racism. Well, it is kind of, it's, it's interesting. Like as a society,

01:26:52.000 you know, we get, it's like every 14 years we get onto shark attacks and all of a sudden it's

01:27:02.880 in the news. It's in the zeitgeist. Sharks are sharks. Sharks are spotted shark attacks. And then

01:27:08.280 it goes away for a long period of time. And then one happens and then we get back on it again. So

01:27:14.200 maybe this will be the time with racist characters at a children's theme parks and restaurants. And

01:27:21.720 it's now we're going to get on this, but what is the bigger picture and more insidious is we are

01:27:29.180 making black people feel like they're not wanted in this society because the news gins, this stuff

01:27:38.260 up and it's really damaging to any community. If you did it to Asians or Jews or any Hispanics or any

01:27:47.500 community, it would be really damaging to that community. I mean, imagine living in a society,

01:27:54.780 growing up as a young person and being fed a diet of, they don't want you. This society doesn't want you.

01:28:02.800 And, you know, the kids are just sort of pawns in this game, but the people I blame are the people

01:28:10.880 that are, you know, CNN and a lot of news outlets that jump on this. But as people like Michelle Obama,

01:28:17.840 who write about going into get ice cream with their daughters and having a white woman cut in front of

01:28:25.480 them in line because she's black and she's invisible, she's using being cut in front of in line to get ice

01:28:34.480 cream as an example of racism in this society. And I would, who amongst us has not been in line and had

01:28:44.400 somebody cut in front of you in line, sometimes willingly or unknowingly. But this notion of seek it and

01:28:55.480 you will find it is where we're at now with racism. And I just think it's horribly damaging.

01:29:01.240 And it's, it's not gonna, it's, it's definitely not helping the people it's intended to help.

01:29:07.220 I think that's really true. And I think it's not exactly the same, but it's, it's somewhat similar

01:29:13.400 to what, let's say a conservative might feel on a college campus where they're, but in that case,

01:29:19.640 they're genuinely not wanted, you know, they're genuinely loathed. And so probably any negative

01:29:24.800 interaction they have, they attribute to the fact that people know that they're a Republican and

01:29:28.740 that may or may not be true. But, you know, once somebody gets in your head with an idea that you

01:29:32.640 are loathed for one reason or another, that idea keeps, you know, cropping up and you could be the

01:29:38.620 one doing it to yourself. People who suffer from self-loathing, you know, can talk themselves into

01:29:42.480 the fact that like, it hates me, even though the person doesn't even know you when you get cut off on

01:29:46.200 the road or, you know, road rage or something that happens to anybody. It could happen to anybody,

01:29:50.580 but you convinced yourself it's because of you, because you're terrible or because you're black

01:29:55.160 or because you're a Republican or you know, whatever it is, but you're, that's an interesting

01:29:59.280 dynamic you raised that now like we're perpetuating this belief. And so we'll see more incidents in

01:30:05.000 there and cause more pain. Yeah. Well, look, if the threshold for racism is a person in a mascot

01:30:15.020 outfit, not high-fiving you or the first lady going out for ice cream with her daughters and some white

01:30:23.680 woman staring at her phone, stepping in line in front of her, if that's the threshold for racism, then

01:30:29.680 we're never going to eradicate racism because that stuff's going to take place all day, every day,

01:30:35.780 everywhere. That's right. Cause it happens to all of us, white or black. I mean, we can all attest to that.

01:30:40.780 It's happened to every single one of us, irrespective of our skin color. Um, okay. I want to end with

01:30:45.660 this because I love this line from your book. Beware of those who are too nice. It's probably a

01:30:51.200 smokescreen. That is so true. That's a hundred percent true. When somebody's nice all the time

01:30:56.900 and they're over the top sweet to me, I'm always like, you're a bad person.

01:31:03.580 Yeah. Well, I think all you have to do, you know, I was thinking about this. Yeah. I think a lot of people,

01:31:10.200 I, you know, I don't want a nice neighbor. I want a fair neighbor. Like I want people with

01:31:15.200 character around me, but not nice and nice. It's fine. Nice and fair. Great. Nice and high character.

01:31:23.720 Great. But nice compensates for a lack of character and a lack of fairness oftentimes. And look no further

01:31:32.260 than, uh, well, I always use this as an example. There are two people that started their TV shows,

01:31:40.140 by dancing, Ellen and Bill Cosby. Go look at the opening of the old Bill Cosby show where he's

01:31:48.380 just dancing, dancing, dancing, watch Ellen and go, Hmm, were they nice? Were they trying to get us to

01:31:57.500 think they were nice? Were they overcompensating for how they felt inside? I don't trust nice. Nice is an

01:32:04.860 attempt to manipulate. It's an attempt to get you to feel a certain way about them. And the real

01:32:10.220 question is, is why are you trying to get me to think this way about you? Why not just be who you

01:32:15.740 are? And I will evaluate you based on your actions. Oh my God. Everything you just said, like, as the

01:32:23.040 kids say, shoot it into my veins. That's a hundred percent right. This is like validating my instinctive

01:32:28.560 feelings about so many people. I don't trust constantly nice and sweet and like saccharine.

01:32:34.820 It's like, I'd rather see somebody as you put in the book, be kind of douchey once in a while.

01:32:39.000 And then I would trust them. Yeah. You know, you know who they, they know who they are. They're

01:32:45.720 consistent and there's no compensation for anything. I don't trust nice. I, I know every, I, I, I know it's

01:32:54.260 everyone's goal is to be around nice people. Your goal is should be, is to be around high character

01:33:00.660 people. Yeah. I love that. It's just one of the many profundities in Adam's new book. You've got

01:33:07.420 to buy it, buy it for, uh, like somebody has a gift too, because it's a funny read and they'll thank

01:33:11.740 you. The book is called everything reminds me of something. It's out right now. Adam, such a pleasure.

01:33:17.700 All the best to you. Love you, Megan. Very excited about tomorrow's show. We've got Josh

01:33:24.160 Rogan of the Washington post here. He's the perfect person to bring on right now. Not only is he an

01:33:29.940 expert on China, we can talk about Nancy Pelosi and all that, but, and, and, you know, we'll have

01:33:35.360 an update by that point on how the trip went, but he is an expert on COVID and the lies we've been fed.

01:33:41.140 And this science piece, like this science magazine piece being touted again by the left and,

01:33:46.640 and some of the defenders of the natural origins theory. We're going to get into it. These two

01:33:52.300 guys are compromised. They've been compromised for a long time. Uh, and we'll explain it all.

01:33:57.100 Don't forget to download the show in the meantime and go to youtube.com slash Megan Kelly. Don't

01:34:00.900 watch it. Thanks everybody. And we'll see you tomorrow.

The Megyn Kelly Show - August 02, 2022

Truth About Terrorist's Killing, and Media Lies vs. Mistakes, with Victor Davis Hanson and Adam Carolla ｜ Ep. 365

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