The Megyn Kelly Show - Tucker Carlson on His Exit From Fox, What He's Building Now, and America's Free Speech Reckoning

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00:00:30.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show,

00:00:32.540 live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.080 Hey, everyone.

00:00:43.060 I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.820 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.120 Happy Monday.

00:00:45.920 Hope you had a great weekend.

00:00:47.420 I'm excited to bring you today's show.

00:00:49.660 Back in April,

00:00:51.480 the top-rated cable news host, Tucker Carlson,

00:00:54.740 was suddenly removed from his Fox News show,

00:00:58.540 sidelined at the height of his career,

00:01:00.480 and we had no idea why.

00:01:02.180 To this day, Fox News has not said.

00:01:05.700 That's how much it respects its audience.

00:01:08.000 We've talked about it many times on the show.

00:01:09.880 We've brought you the truth about what was really happening behind the scenes

00:01:12.560 and what they were doing to him in the press thereafter,

00:01:15.600 while so many others just went with a spin being offered by that network's communications person.

00:01:22.280 Tucker and I have known each other for a long time.

00:01:24.200 We've talked many times since April, off the air and off the record.

00:01:27.300 But today is our first conversation on the air since that seismic moment earlier this year.

00:01:34.360 Since he left Fox, Tucker has been putting our videos,

00:01:37.700 out videos, I should say, on the platform formerly known as Twitter.

00:01:41.260 Now it's called X with his successful Tucker on X show.

00:01:45.460 But as we're going to discuss today,

00:01:47.640 there's a whole lot more Tucker coming your way,

00:01:51.180 starting right here.

00:01:52.200 Tucker Carlson, welcome back to the show.

00:01:56.840 It's great to see you.

00:01:57.820 When you said, Fox News is still not divulged,

00:02:00.200 literally the first thing that came to my mind was,

00:02:02.740 I bet he's guilty of human trafficking.

00:02:04.500 And then I thought, wait, it's me.

00:02:07.140 I'm trafficking.

00:02:08.340 It just sounds so bad.

00:02:09.900 To this day, we don't know why they did it.

00:02:12.680 You and I thought, though, if Irina thought she could get away with that lie,

00:02:15.500 she would have planted it.

00:02:16.780 Sure.

00:02:17.560 I've never trafficked anybody, I will say.

00:02:19.500 I've had a long and varied life, but that has not been part of it.

00:02:23.000 Let's thank God for that.

00:02:24.540 Well, that's as good a place to start as any.

00:02:26.320 And we're going to get to very shortly.

00:02:27.800 You have a big announcement about what you're doing next,

00:02:29.700 which is what people want to know.

00:02:30.980 But let's just spend a minute on the Fox termination

00:02:32.900 because it was such a huge story.

00:02:34.480 We covered it for months here on this show, as you know.

00:02:37.480 And I've heard you talk about it in other forums,

00:02:39.100 but you and I have got to have this discussion.

00:02:42.040 First of all, how are you doing?

00:02:43.280 Here we are, what, seven months after it happened?

00:02:45.900 You seem better than ever.

00:02:47.340 You seem very excited about the new adventure.

00:02:49.500 When it first happened, though, you were reeling.

00:02:52.840 And there's that moment of finding your footing, like,

00:02:54.800 wait, what does this mean for me?

00:02:56.400 Well, actually, I mean, I'm great.

00:02:59.060 I wasn't expecting it at all.

00:03:01.740 But I also felt, and I expressed this in the conversation I had

00:03:04.440 when I got the news, kind of not my company.

00:03:07.180 And I always knew that.

00:03:08.000 And I've been in the business since I was in my 20s.

00:03:10.400 I'm now 54, so that's a long time.

00:03:12.340 And I knew that this is kind of how the end comes.

00:03:15.220 Very few people leave voluntarily.

00:03:16.840 In fact, you're one of the only people I've ever met

00:03:19.060 who made it to the top and then left.

00:03:21.540 And that's not the course of events for most people on TV.

00:03:24.560 So I actually felt like I got out pretty well.

00:03:27.860 I mean, I didn't do anything bad.

00:03:31.120 I mean, bad other than have, you know, naughty opinions.

00:03:33.760 But I didn't, community crimes, I didn't harass anybody,

00:03:36.740 and they didn't accuse me of that.

00:03:38.000 So I actually felt pretty good about it.

00:03:39.980 I was shocked for, like, the first eight minutes.

00:03:43.960 And then I called my wife.

00:03:45.280 She was thrilled.

00:03:47.340 And then, you know, our staff came with us.

00:03:49.600 So I wound up living and working with the same people

00:03:53.080 that I had been with for the, you know,

00:03:54.460 previous number of years, and I loved them.

00:03:56.360 And so that was great.

00:03:58.060 And then we got to go travel.

00:03:58.860 That was such a blessing.

00:03:59.980 Oh, such a blessing.

00:04:01.200 That was such a blessing, Tucker.

00:04:02.240 Oh, yes.

00:04:02.580 And, like, and such a credit to you,

00:04:04.000 because your staff does not follow you

00:04:05.600 if they don't love you.

00:04:07.180 And, of course, Fox had no love for them either, I'm sure.

00:04:10.480 But it was a testament to you.

00:04:11.820 And they're still with you, helping you in the new venture.

00:04:13.320 Well, they were the best people there.

00:04:15.120 That was the weird part.

00:04:16.040 I mean, they were literally the best people there.

00:04:17.820 Much more, I've never been particularly knowledgeable about

00:04:20.720 or good at TV.

00:04:21.860 I just sort of stare at a camera and say what I think.

00:04:23.880 But these are people who really understand television

00:04:25.900 and were super smart, loyal,

00:04:28.060 and they're all, every single one of them is a good person.

00:04:31.240 All of them stay at my house all the time.

00:04:32.940 I mean, they're, like, friends of mine.

00:04:34.120 So, yes, that was amazing for me.

00:04:37.180 But what's amazing about the departure from Fox is, yes,

00:04:40.100 you do serve at the pleasure of, you know, the Murdochs, of course.

00:04:43.360 But unlike, and I know you sort of laughed about having been fired

00:04:46.760 from all these other networks

00:04:47.740 because you've been in the business for a long time.

00:04:49.720 But you were succeeding.

00:04:51.860 They don't normally fire you when you're at the top of your game,

00:04:55.780 when you are the ratings king, when you're making news.

00:04:58.400 You had just had a huge interview with Elon Musk.

00:05:00.880 You had just done Kanye.

00:05:02.560 I mean, there's just been, you've been making huge news

00:05:05.180 and you were the most relevant thing on Fox.

00:05:07.960 That's unusual.

00:05:09.100 I mean, that's why everybody was like, what?

00:05:11.340 It wasn't like low-rated show on whatever network.

00:05:14.780 This was a powerhouse that they ended what felt,

00:05:19.200 to most of us, like clear out of the blue.

00:05:21.180 Well, I mean, I should just say what I've said before,

00:05:23.940 which is I sincerely don't know why they canceled the show.

00:05:26.780 And I would absolutely say so if I did know,

00:05:30.480 because I want to be as honest as I can be.

00:05:32.580 But I don't.

00:05:34.040 But you could flip it around if you were speculating

00:05:36.040 and imagine that maybe being the top show is not a strength,

00:05:40.800 but potentially a weakness.

00:05:43.000 Maybe that's a problem if you're saying things

00:05:45.100 that people don't like and who knows who those people are.

00:05:48.020 But if they're unpopular with people who have more power than you do

00:05:50.900 and you have a big audience,

00:05:52.760 then it's not so good to be the top-rated show.

00:05:54.880 If you're languishing at 2 p.m. on the weekends

00:05:57.300 and you've got naughty thoughts, they can put up with it.

00:06:00.460 But if you have a much larger audience,

00:06:03.260 then they're hearing about it a lot.

00:06:05.240 And it really is one of those mysteries

00:06:07.540 that I'll probably never get to the bottom of,

00:06:10.120 and I've stopped even thinking about it at all.

00:06:12.980 But it could be a lot of different things.

00:06:15.160 I had a lot of different opinions that some people didn't like.

00:06:19.640 And I should say Fox never tried to tell me what to say,

00:06:21.900 and I wouldn't have put up with it for a minute anyway,

00:06:23.760 but they didn't.

00:06:24.880 And good for them.

00:06:25.740 But, you know, it could have been,

00:06:27.100 I had heterodox views on Ukraine.

00:06:29.760 I had heterodox views on the COVID vaccine,

00:06:32.000 immigration, January 6th.

00:06:33.660 As you said, I interviewed Kanye.

00:06:35.720 I interviewed Trump.

00:06:36.880 I interviewed Elon.

00:06:37.920 I mean, you know, who knows who you offend?

00:06:41.100 And I guess the only thing I would say is,

00:06:42.860 it's not even aimed at Fox, really.

00:06:44.240 It's kind of aimed at the many other people,

00:06:47.140 some of whom are actually loathsome,

00:06:49.200 particularly in politics,

00:06:50.120 who were complaining not to my face.

00:06:52.280 Everyone's got my text.

00:06:53.000 Everyone on the planet has my text.

00:06:55.080 So you can always text me or call me or say,

00:06:57.140 you know, I think you're awful.

00:06:58.060 I disagree with you on this and here's why.

00:07:00.040 But rather than do that,

00:07:01.320 they took this much more feline,

00:07:03.440 stealthy and dishonorable approach,

00:07:04.880 which is, you know, bitch to your boss.

00:07:06.320 And those are the people,

00:07:07.940 and I can imagine who a couple of them were,

00:07:09.760 and they're exactly the people you would imagine.

00:07:11.940 You know, Mitch McConnell or that weird guy from Wisconsin

00:07:15.140 who was speaker for a while, people like that.

00:07:17.580 You know, they, instead of saying it to my face,

00:07:20.520 they, I think, went to others.

00:07:22.280 And I don't respect that at all.

00:07:23.580 I mean, I really don't.

00:07:24.380 Paul Ryan, and he was on the Fox board,

00:07:28.060 so definitely had the ear.

00:07:30.240 And as we understand it, was not a fan.

00:07:32.340 But, you know, that's, that's what happens

00:07:34.680 when you make it to the top of cable news primetime.

00:07:36.940 You have a lot of detractors.

00:07:38.460 Can I just say one thing?

00:07:39.580 If you don't like somebody, Megan,

00:07:40.980 and I know, I know you pretty well.

00:07:42.660 If you don't like somebody, you say things like,

00:07:44.480 hey, I don't like you.

00:07:46.020 And here's why.

00:07:47.060 You know what I mean?

00:07:47.920 Like you, you're pretty straightforward

00:07:49.340 about what you think.

00:07:50.920 And first of all, there's freedom in that.

00:07:52.420 And there's dignity in that.

00:07:53.660 You're not lying to somebody's face.

00:07:55.200 And that's what bothers me on a human level

00:07:56.920 is if you don't like what I think, say it to me.

00:07:59.900 But they never will because they're cowards.

00:08:03.560 This is, this, this is the thing that bothered me

00:08:05.600 about the whole thing, Tucker.

00:08:06.640 You're right.

00:08:06.980 It's a, it's a brutal, toxic business.

00:08:08.660 And anybody can be axed for whatever reason at any time.

00:08:11.380 Right.

00:08:11.620 But the disrespect they showed to the audience

00:08:13.480 and in my view to you,

00:08:15.240 in not giving you an answer, a reason,

00:08:18.580 was unforgivable.

00:08:19.420 I, you're, you're nicer than I am,

00:08:21.240 which I think most people would say.

00:08:23.320 You're way nicer than I am.

00:08:24.600 I'm still pissed off about it.

00:08:25.860 It was so wrong.

00:08:27.620 You didn't get a reason.

00:08:28.960 Your wife, Susie, didn't get a reason.

00:08:30.420 Your family didn't get a reason.

00:08:31.720 And then they spent weeks in the press

00:08:33.940 trying to disparage you.

00:08:35.440 I see, I'm bitter about it.

00:08:36.520 You're not bitter.

00:08:37.160 I'm bitter on your behalf.

00:08:38.240 Well, it's funny you say that

00:08:39.260 because I was mad at NBC

00:08:41.640 when they called you a racist

00:08:42.920 for talking about Halloween costumes.

00:08:44.660 I was like, what?

00:08:45.460 And, of course, they called me a racist, too.

00:08:48.840 But I'm not a racist.

00:08:50.020 That's the thing.

00:08:50.640 And I do have weaknesses.

00:08:53.200 I definitely have a weakness for Oreos

00:08:55.040 and related Nabisco products.

00:08:56.640 And, like, that's sort of obvious to everybody.

00:08:59.520 And, you know, there are definitely things

00:09:01.000 that you could say.

00:09:01.540 I've been wrong about some things

00:09:03.120 in a public way.

00:09:04.160 And you could say that.

00:09:06.040 But calling me a racist,

00:09:07.360 I was like, yeah, I'm a racist.

00:09:08.420 Okay.

00:09:08.980 I mean, it's just so dumb.

00:09:10.080 It didn't even bother me.

00:09:11.120 And I don't think at this point,

00:09:12.500 like, that's a meaningful attack

00:09:13.880 when it's untrue.

00:09:14.680 And it's pretty clear that it is untrue.

00:09:16.440 So I wasn't, I don't really care.

00:09:18.600 And I also, I feel happy.

00:09:19.760 And I feel liberated.

00:09:21.560 And I, you know,

00:09:23.240 I wouldn't want to be in that business.

00:09:24.340 And I did my turn, as you did.

00:09:26.260 I spent decades in that business.

00:09:28.800 And I'm 54.

00:09:30.440 It's like, what, are you going to be

00:09:31.160 in cable news till you're 74?

00:09:32.780 I don't think so.

00:09:33.420 And there's so much other interesting stuff to do

00:09:35.780 that, like, you can't really be mad.

00:09:38.180 Like, on what grounds could I be mad?

00:09:39.560 I don't know.

00:09:40.060 Like, some corporate person didn't like me.

00:09:42.300 Well, I don't like corporate people.

00:09:43.540 So we're even.

00:09:47.700 All right.

00:09:48.180 So that leads me to the really relevant question,

00:09:50.540 which is, did they ever fire you?

00:09:53.200 Are you still working there?

00:09:54.540 Are you still getting a paycheck?

00:09:56.160 Well, I never, the thing is,

00:09:57.640 I mean, I'm not, of course,

00:09:58.620 I'm not working there.

00:10:00.200 But I didn't violate my contract.

00:10:02.400 And no one ever claimed that I did.

00:10:05.520 Which, and, you know,

00:10:06.360 it's so hard to know where the,

00:10:07.680 you know, I don't read,

00:10:08.440 you can ask my producer, Justin,

00:10:10.000 if I, I don't think I've ever read

00:10:11.240 anything about myself.

00:10:12.060 Like, anything.

00:10:13.360 At all.

00:10:13.720 Not one word.

00:10:14.460 Because I know who I am.

00:10:15.400 That's how you stay sane.

00:10:16.440 Well, yeah.

00:10:16.860 And I care about what my family

00:10:18.220 and friends think.

00:10:18.760 And that's kind of it.

00:10:19.380 So, I don't really know

00:10:20.960 what they said about me.

00:10:21.840 But I kept hearing, you know,

00:10:22.940 oh, they're saying you're a racist

00:10:24.440 because of your text messages

00:10:26.040 or whatever.

00:10:26.660 Well, there were no racist texts.

00:10:27.820 I'm actually not a racist.

00:10:28.900 So, they didn't find,

00:10:30.140 I'm not having an affair.

00:10:31.180 I don't have a secret drug problem

00:10:32.640 or whatever.

00:10:34.080 And so, you know,

00:10:36.780 that, I don't,

00:10:37.560 but it's hard to know exactly

00:10:38.600 how that made it into the press.

00:10:42.120 So.

00:10:43.360 No, it's not.

00:10:44.320 It's not hard at all.

00:10:45.780 Well, we have our suspicions,

00:10:49.800 don't we?

00:10:51.540 We do.

00:10:52.660 Yeah.

00:10:53.080 But also, I would say that

00:10:54.240 anyone who does that

00:10:56.420 is living in hell.

00:10:56.560 How did it ever resolve?

00:10:57.640 Because they canceled the show.

00:10:58.920 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:10:59.900 But they didn't fire you.

00:11:00.440 I'm so distressing.

00:11:01.240 Because they wanted you

00:11:01.400 to stay in limbo.

00:11:02.560 Right.

00:11:03.120 So, this is what it's like

00:11:04.000 to have dinner with me.

00:11:04.620 We can never stay on a topic.

00:11:06.000 I beg your pardon.

00:11:06.740 You asked a direct question.

00:11:07.580 I'll give you a direct answer.

00:11:08.580 I didn't violate my contract.

00:11:09.880 I'm not working there, obviously.

00:11:12.120 But I did not violate my contract.

00:11:13.780 So, there was no,

00:11:14.780 there were no grounds

00:11:15.440 to end my contract.

00:11:16.700 So, there you go.

00:11:18.200 Contract enforced.

00:11:19.480 But their plan was clearly

00:11:20.540 to keep you under the thumb

00:11:22.000 for the next, you know,

00:11:22.960 throughout the election cycle.

00:11:24.220 And then when your deal expired

00:11:25.580 post-November of 24

00:11:27.540 to say, okay, now you're free.

00:11:29.380 Right.

00:11:29.680 And usually people at Fox

00:11:31.060 will take that deal

00:11:31.960 because they need the money.

00:11:33.460 Now, you don't really need the money

00:11:35.700 and you've never really cared

00:11:36.780 about money anyway.

00:11:37.700 So, they're miscalculating

00:11:38.540 your value system.

00:11:40.100 Yeah.

00:11:40.620 So, to me, this is interesting

00:11:42.260 as an industry person

00:11:43.180 because this is what

00:11:44.480 these big corporations do

00:11:45.540 is they, in order to work there,

00:11:47.740 they make you sign a non-compete

00:11:49.080 and they make you say,

00:11:50.540 if you get fired,

00:11:51.240 even without cause,

00:11:52.640 you're going to,

00:11:53.240 you can't work for anybody else.

00:11:54.860 You can't do anything else

00:11:55.940 until the expiration date

00:11:57.760 of the contract.

00:11:58.660 Well, your case challenged that

00:12:00.040 because you said,

00:12:01.300 on your money,

00:12:02.660 I don't care about your money.

00:12:03.940 I'm going to launch a show.

00:12:04.780 Now, today,

00:12:05.440 you're going to launch

00:12:05.900 a whole new network,

00:12:06.700 which we're going to talk about

00:12:07.320 in a minute.

00:12:07.600 And it really put Fox

00:12:09.500 in a difficult spot

00:12:10.240 because if they let you do it,

00:12:11.960 it challenges their whole system,

00:12:14.140 their whole setup

00:12:14.820 for everybody else

00:12:15.840 who's still laboring there

00:12:17.700 who may have to face

00:12:18.960 the same decision.

00:12:20.480 So, what's the status of that?

00:12:22.240 Do they ever sue you?

00:12:23.620 No, no, no, no, no.

00:12:25.060 And I mean,

00:12:25.640 I'm not into legal action.

00:12:28.240 I'm a simple man

00:12:29.300 and I don't like

00:12:31.260 a lot of the trappings

00:12:32.000 of the modern world.

00:12:32.940 And one of the main ones

00:12:34.380 I dislike

00:12:34.820 is the impulse

00:12:35.900 to take everything to court.

00:12:37.240 And so, you know,

00:12:38.280 anything I can do

00:12:38.780 to avoid that.

00:12:39.800 But, you know,

00:12:40.620 my position,

00:12:41.540 you know,

00:12:41.780 I've used social media

00:12:42.880 and had a digital presence

00:12:44.440 for the entirety

00:12:45.600 of my work at Fox

00:12:47.740 and my previous job.

00:12:49.920 So, like, that's,

00:12:50.700 and many people

00:12:51.520 at cable news networks,

00:12:53.320 you know,

00:12:53.560 have digital presences.

00:12:54.740 Many of them sell things

00:12:55.780 on the side.

00:12:56.780 You know, like,

00:12:57.560 it's not,

00:12:58.440 there's a long precedent

00:12:59.680 for that.

00:13:00.360 I really think

00:13:01.200 what it comes down to.

00:13:01.880 Bill O'Reilly.com.

00:13:02.540 Well, exactly.

00:13:03.280 I think what it comes down to is.

00:13:04.680 Roger used to say,

00:13:05.320 he may want to sell doormats.

00:13:07.400 I saw him the other day.

00:13:08.740 He was so much happier.

00:13:10.500 It was interesting.

00:13:11.240 I don't want to speak for him,

00:13:12.120 but, you know,

00:13:12.920 there is a world out there.

00:13:14.740 So, no,

00:13:15.440 I don't anticipate

00:13:16.140 any problems with them.

00:13:17.900 I'm not mad at them.

00:13:19.660 And I also think

00:13:20.460 if I'm being totally honest,

00:13:22.480 you know,

00:13:22.900 it's,

00:13:23.220 there's something

00:13:23.740 a little bit gross

00:13:24.740 about, you know,

00:13:26.140 holding a grudge

00:13:27.020 or whatever.

00:13:27.400 I'm not,

00:13:27.820 on your own behalf.

00:13:29.020 I'm happy to hold grudges

00:13:29.940 on behalf of other people,

00:13:31.100 but I,

00:13:31.480 I don't want to hold them

00:13:32.620 on my own behalf

00:13:33.540 because that does seem

00:13:34.560 a little narcissistic.

00:13:35.980 But I do think

00:13:36.780 it's a huge problem,

00:13:37.680 not simply for that channel,

00:13:39.200 but for all the channels

00:13:40.140 and for, in fact,

00:13:41.380 a lot of corporate America.

00:13:42.600 If it's clear

00:13:43.400 that there's a pathway

00:13:44.220 out of it,

00:13:45.260 if you can rise

00:13:46.200 to the top at Fox,

00:13:46.960 go to NBC

00:13:47.600 and have them call you a racist

00:13:48.780 over a Halloween conversation

00:13:50.200 and then emerge

00:13:52.960 as like a big force

00:13:54.340 in American politics

00:13:55.320 and life

00:13:55.820 and host a debate,

00:13:57.180 then you're a living symbol

00:13:59.820 that actually,

00:14:00.640 you know,

00:14:00.780 there's some things

00:14:01.300 you don't have to put up with.

00:14:02.740 And so I do think

00:14:03.420 that's threatening,

00:14:04.240 again,

00:14:04.500 not just to Fox

00:14:05.340 or MSNBC,

00:14:06.280 but to Citibank

00:14:07.160 or whatever,

00:14:08.260 or any corporate overlord

00:14:10.600 who is mistaking himself

00:14:11.820 for God

00:14:12.300 as so many of these people do.

00:14:13.940 You know,

00:14:14.160 if people can get out

00:14:15.100 and like be happier

00:14:16.060 and prosperous

00:14:16.760 and still have a role

00:14:18.100 in the public conversation,

00:14:19.740 it's really a threat

00:14:21.560 because the whole system

00:14:22.600 is based on the idea

00:14:23.620 you're nothing without us.

00:14:25.400 And that's just not true

00:14:26.860 because you have inherent value

00:14:28.220 because God created you.

00:14:29.140 That's my feeling.

00:14:29.760 And so I don't care

00:14:31.340 how many times,

00:14:32.880 you know,

00:14:33.520 the PR people are,

00:14:34.580 you know,

00:14:35.060 you suck without us

00:14:36.020 and you need us to manage you.

00:14:37.320 It's like,

00:14:37.760 no,

00:14:38.140 I don't.

00:14:38.980 I feel better about myself

00:14:40.120 than that.

00:14:41.160 You're like sad and miserable

00:14:42.740 and like,

00:14:43.380 please leave my office now.

00:14:45.680 You know,

00:14:45.980 it gives you a whole new sense

00:14:47.220 of your value,

00:14:49.420 kind of.

00:14:50.400 Yeah,

00:14:50.700 no,

00:14:50.940 it's entirely true.

00:14:52.200 And that's the one blessing

00:14:53.220 of separating from that system,

00:14:55.720 whether it's voluntarily

00:14:56.540 or involuntary.

00:14:57.840 Yeah.

00:14:58.000 It's you're free.

00:15:00.040 You're free.

00:15:00.640 You are kind of forced

00:15:01.920 if you want to stay doing

00:15:02.820 what we do

00:15:03.380 to find a new way,

00:15:05.160 right?

00:15:05.360 Like to,

00:15:06.020 it's like Darwinism.

00:15:07.480 And before you know it,

00:15:08.980 you've,

00:15:09.340 you've risen again.

00:15:10.340 You found a new

00:15:11.260 and better way

00:15:12.100 of delivering your message

00:15:13.440 and the news.

00:15:14.320 And lo and behold,

00:15:15.300 as I know has happened

00:15:16.380 with you,

00:15:17.000 the audience comes,

00:15:18.360 they find you,

00:15:19.120 even if it's hard,

00:15:19.740 even if it's on X

00:15:20.640 to begin with,

00:15:21.260 and now it's going

00:15:21.740 to be much bigger,

00:15:22.640 they find you.

00:15:24.420 I think that's right.

00:15:25.360 And I think especially now,

00:15:27.240 well,

00:15:27.460 first of all,

00:15:28.000 in speaking for myself,

00:15:28.820 I don't have any other talents,

00:15:31.240 you know,

00:15:31.540 and if they start paying you

00:15:32.920 to quail hunt or trout fish,

00:15:34.360 I'll get rich.

00:15:35.000 But other than that,

00:15:36.000 you know,

00:15:36.220 I'm just,

00:15:36.680 I've been in journalism

00:15:37.200 my whole life.

00:15:38.180 And so that's what I'm doing.

00:15:39.700 But I think now,

00:15:41.960 you know,

00:15:42.500 there's a need for people

00:15:43.620 who are honest,

00:15:44.260 not always right.

00:15:45.400 I mean,

00:15:45.820 I'll speak for myself.

00:15:46.620 I've been wrong a lot.

00:15:47.880 I have some views that on,

00:15:49.420 in retrospect,

00:15:49.880 are not to be stupid.

00:15:50.860 I know I'll have more of those.

00:15:52.380 But the audience can tell

00:15:54.120 if you're trying

00:15:54.700 to tell the truth.

00:15:56.200 And that's kind of

00:15:57.300 the main thing they want,

00:15:58.680 I think,

00:15:59.140 is just your commitment

00:16:00.260 to honesty,

00:16:01.100 as imperfect as it may be.

00:16:02.760 And if they see

00:16:03.580 other news organizations

00:16:04.900 who, like,

00:16:05.420 aren't even trying,

00:16:06.420 whose whole existence

00:16:07.520 is about manipulating you,

00:16:09.020 the public,

00:16:09.500 you, the public,

00:16:10.520 into joining some program

00:16:11.860 that's bad for you

00:16:12.620 and your family,

00:16:13.260 that really is where we are now.

00:16:14.900 Then, of course,

00:16:15.460 there's going to be

00:16:15.960 a massive hunger

00:16:16.680 for something better than that.

00:16:17.980 It doesn't take much

00:16:18.660 to be better than that.

00:16:19.520 Oh, by the way,

00:16:20.160 because I would say

00:16:21.880 one other thing

00:16:22.460 is the second

00:16:23.200 you start to see

00:16:24.240 your mission

00:16:24.760 as shaping

00:16:25.460 the public's views

00:16:26.500 on something

00:16:27.060 or getting everyone

00:16:27.840 on board

00:16:28.340 to whatever dumb project

00:16:29.360 they've dreamed up

00:16:30.000 this week,

00:16:30.780 you lose all curiosity

00:16:32.220 because you're so mission-driven.

00:16:34.120 Like,

00:16:34.220 we've got to get them

00:16:34.760 to support this stupid thing.

00:16:36.980 And that really is

00:16:37.640 the way they see the world,

00:16:38.800 all these companies.

00:16:40.280 Then you miss

00:16:40.980 all the other amazing stuff

00:16:42.160 that's going on

00:16:42.680 around the world.

00:16:43.640 Like,

00:16:43.880 you stop being curious.

00:16:45.540 And that is the thing

00:16:46.200 that strikes me

00:16:46.760 about corporate media

00:16:47.560 is they're in curiosity.

00:16:48.800 their total disinterest

00:16:50.900 in anything,

00:16:51.520 their lack of interest

00:16:52.300 in anything that's happening.

00:16:54.520 And so much is happening.

00:16:55.380 The whole world is resetting

00:16:56.740 and exploding in some places.

00:16:58.060 And it's just a fascinating time.

00:16:59.840 And they miss all of it.

00:17:01.220 It's the same story

00:17:02.140 on a loop,

00:17:02.740 just like North Korea

00:17:04.100 just beating you

00:17:04.800 into submission.

00:17:05.520 Dear leader,

00:17:05.980 dear leader,

00:17:06.460 dear leader.

00:17:06.980 And even if I like

00:17:07.980 the dear leader,

00:17:08.740 comma,

00:17:09.040 which I don't,

00:17:10.260 but even if I did,

00:17:11.220 I'd be like,

00:17:11.600 okay,

00:17:11.860 got it.

00:17:12.360 Love the dear leader.

00:17:13.120 What else is going on?

00:17:14.180 Nothing.

00:17:14.600 Just dear leader.

00:17:15.160 And I just think

00:17:16.800 that that's so tiresome

00:17:18.060 that it demands,

00:17:19.760 you know,

00:17:20.980 an alternative.

00:17:23.280 Well,

00:17:23.720 this is why

00:17:24.340 they were so wrong

00:17:25.460 on COVID

00:17:25.960 and they were so wrong

00:17:27.500 on Russiagate.

00:17:28.420 And they have,

00:17:29.140 yes,

00:17:29.360 there are ideological

00:17:30.000 biases there too,

00:17:31.020 but they drive the mission

00:17:32.020 of what dear leader

00:17:32.980 is going to say.

00:17:33.720 What is the message?

00:17:35.520 They're not driven by truth.

00:17:37.060 And even at Fox,

00:17:37.960 you know,

00:17:38.160 you were there,

00:17:38.640 I think you were there

00:17:39.200 when this happened.

00:17:39.800 I know I was there

00:17:40.580 when after Romney lost

00:17:42.600 in 2012,

00:17:43.160 Roger did the complete reset,

00:17:45.700 including with Paul Ryan

00:17:46.900 and some others on,

00:17:48.480 now we're going to be

00:17:49.660 pro-illegal immigration.

00:17:51.240 Now we're going to be pro-finding a path

00:17:53.900 to amnesty.

00:17:55.020 Like we're going to do a 180.

00:17:56.720 And I remember watching like Hannity,

00:17:58.620 who I think we both like,

00:17:59.900 you know,

00:18:00.380 on the air,

00:18:01.020 who had been pushing

00:18:01.740 exactly the opposite

00:18:02.760 up until like the night of election,

00:18:05.440 have to try to do a 180

00:18:07.120 because the message

00:18:08.000 had come down from above.

00:18:09.800 Marco Rubio,

00:18:10.680 that's actually the name

00:18:11.560 I was looking for.

00:18:12.080 Or they were all on board

00:18:14.000 with this sort of gang of eight.

00:18:15.260 This was the new,

00:18:15.880 and it was like,

00:18:16.700 how is this honest,

00:18:18.900 right?

00:18:19.120 It's like,

00:18:19.480 it feels like a surrender

00:18:20.720 as opposed to just reporting

00:18:22.640 what's real,

00:18:23.660 what the real problems are

00:18:24.580 and letting the viewers figure out

00:18:25.780 what the right solution is.

00:18:26.800 That's exactly right.

00:18:27.960 And I do think

00:18:28.960 you sap your credibility over time

00:18:31.240 if you do something like that.

00:18:33.000 And I should just say again

00:18:34.040 that my arrangement

00:18:34.700 with that company

00:18:35.340 was super simple

00:18:36.120 for the whole 14 years

00:18:37.600 I was there,

00:18:38.140 which was,

00:18:38.860 you know,

00:18:38.960 it's your company.

00:18:39.840 If you don't like what I'm saying,

00:18:41.000 please take me off the air.

00:18:42.320 Because that's your prerogative

00:18:43.380 because you own it

00:18:44.080 and I don't.

00:18:45.120 But as long as I'm on the air,

00:18:46.360 I'm going to say

00:18:46.820 exactly what I think.

00:18:48.120 And they were totally okay with that.

00:18:50.160 And that's one of the reasons

00:18:50.940 I was pretty much okay

00:18:52.240 with being taken off the air

00:18:53.300 because that kind of was the deal.

00:18:54.940 You know,

00:18:55.180 don't tell me what to think.

00:18:56.240 I will never stand.

00:18:57.120 I will die first.

00:18:57.960 Okay?

00:18:58.480 And I mean that.

00:18:59.220 But if you don't like it,

00:19:01.140 just pull the plug.

00:19:02.420 And I do think

00:19:03.400 that's the more honorable way

00:19:04.820 to do it.

00:19:06.020 Just like,

00:19:06.660 again,

00:19:06.960 it's your channel.

00:19:08.460 And if you don't,

00:19:09.400 but I'm not going to say things

00:19:11.440 that I don't believe ever.

00:19:13.220 And once you start doing that,

00:19:14.220 once you start lying,

00:19:15.880 you become,

00:19:16.760 it changes you as a person.

00:19:18.140 And the opposite is also true.

00:19:19.120 The second you decide

00:19:19.800 to tell the truth,

00:19:20.460 not just in public,

00:19:21.240 but in your personal life,

00:19:22.260 really tell the truth,

00:19:23.720 then you become strong.

00:19:25.640 But if you don't,

00:19:26.440 if you go along with their lies,

00:19:27.840 it hollows you out inside

00:19:29.240 and you become

00:19:30.180 this kind of desiccated,

00:19:32.020 desperate, fearful person.

00:19:33.280 And boy,

00:19:33.580 you see that on the faces

00:19:34.680 of so many people on television.

00:19:36.960 I look at Joe Scarborough,

00:19:37.940 who I knew really well,

00:19:39.220 and I always thought a lot of him,

00:19:41.040 I didn't always agree with him,

00:19:41.700 but he's smart.

00:19:42.320 He's quite smart.

00:19:43.260 I mean,

00:19:43.420 that is true

00:19:44.060 because I know him really well.

00:19:46.060 And then he starts to go along

00:19:47.500 with these lies

00:19:48.120 and all this.

00:19:48.580 I'm not going to beat up

00:19:49.120 on Joe Scarborough,

00:19:49.640 but you look at him

00:19:50.200 and you're like,

00:19:50.500 this is a man

00:19:51.200 who was on the run

00:19:52.740 from himself,

00:19:54.200 from everyone around him.

00:19:55.680 He's just like desperate

00:19:56.660 to play this role.

00:19:59.160 And that's just hell.

00:20:00.240 Like,

00:20:00.360 I would never live like that.

00:20:01.740 And there's no reason

00:20:02.540 ever to live like that.

00:20:05.500 What's interesting

00:20:06.180 to the audience,

00:20:06.920 I think,

00:20:07.260 is they can relate to this

00:20:08.420 even if they've never worked

00:20:09.460 for a media company

00:20:10.240 because they're being forced

00:20:11.280 to do this

00:20:11.800 in their own life

00:20:12.860 on all this woke nonsense.

00:20:13.880 That's right.

00:20:14.200 They're being forced

00:20:14.760 to go to these DEI trainings

00:20:16.340 and say the things

00:20:17.700 and not fly their American flag

00:20:20.020 in some instances.

00:20:20.980 Otherwise,

00:20:21.320 they're considered controversial

00:20:22.480 and accept that there can be

00:20:24.300 more than two genders

00:20:25.540 and two biological sex.

00:20:27.160 Like,

00:20:27.460 they're being forced.

00:20:28.440 Otherwise,

00:20:28.760 they're being fired

00:20:29.460 or they're getting

00:20:30.140 hauled down to HR,

00:20:31.320 right?

00:20:31.460 So it's like,

00:20:32.080 even if you're a civilian,

00:20:33.180 you know exactly

00:20:33.920 what we're talking about.

00:20:34.920 You feel it.

00:20:35.680 Oh,

00:20:36.020 I mean,

00:20:36.360 just,

00:20:37.120 and it's almost literally

00:20:38.520 in the water.

00:20:39.420 I mean,

00:20:39.640 it's so pervasive

00:20:40.660 that you don't even

00:20:41.300 think about it.

00:20:42.100 But,

00:20:42.680 I mean,

00:20:43.020 for 20 years,

00:20:43.700 they've been telling us

00:20:44.300 that the single greatest threat

00:20:45.340 to our internal security

00:20:46.740 is white Christians.

00:20:48.520 It's like,

00:20:49.020 what,

00:20:49.200 no one has Google?

00:20:50.020 No one has,

00:20:50.540 you know,

00:20:50.760 no one can read numbers?

00:20:51.620 Like,

00:20:51.740 that's just a lie.

00:20:52.360 I mean,

00:20:52.540 whatever,

00:20:52.920 you could,

00:20:53.340 maybe you don't like white Christians,

00:20:54.200 that's totally fine.

00:20:55.480 But,

00:20:56.520 to tell us that they're

00:20:57.420 the great threat

00:20:58.280 to,

00:20:59.720 you know,

00:21:00.640 peace and harmony

00:21:01.320 in America

00:21:01.820 is like,

00:21:02.220 literally insane.

00:21:03.400 There are no data

00:21:04.540 that show that to be true.

00:21:06.040 It's the inverse

00:21:06.840 of the truth.

00:21:07.900 And people just kind of

00:21:09.180 accept that they're supposed

00:21:10.080 to nod along

00:21:10.820 and listen to that.

00:21:11.480 That and like

00:21:11.920 a hundred other lies

00:21:12.960 that form the basis

00:21:14.100 of our civic life.

00:21:15.060 Like,

00:21:15.200 it's kind of all a lie,

00:21:16.260 actually.

00:21:16.660 The propaganda's been

00:21:17.540 so thick for so long

00:21:19.160 that people internalize

00:21:20.080 this stuff

00:21:20.340 that's the mirror image

00:21:21.460 of the truth

00:21:22.000 and they don't even know it.

00:21:23.540 And I do think

00:21:24.280 as people start to be like,

00:21:25.240 wait a second,

00:21:25.760 that's not true.

00:21:26.340 Is that true?

00:21:27.180 Do we know that that's true?

00:21:28.500 Once they start to say that out loud,

00:21:29.980 wow,

00:21:30.520 you know,

00:21:30.740 heads explode

00:21:31.360 and you hear it all the time.

00:21:32.440 I'm sure you do as well.

00:21:33.520 People you know are like,

00:21:34.420 oh my gosh,

00:21:35.460 you know,

00:21:35.740 this is freaking me out.

00:21:36.900 You know,

00:21:37.280 I believe in things

00:21:38.080 that used to be called

00:21:38.740 conspiracy theories,

00:21:39.500 but they're true.

00:21:40.520 I do think

00:21:41.320 if you start to get

00:21:42.400 critical mass

00:21:43.120 of people thinking like that,

00:21:44.380 and I pray to God

00:21:45.280 it stays peaceful,

00:21:46.580 but I do think

00:21:47.260 you've got big change ahead

00:21:50.080 that's a lie

00:21:51.020 and I'm not going along with it

00:21:52.640 because guess what?

00:21:53.160 I'm a free man,

00:21:53.760 not a slave.

00:21:56.360 You're seeing more

00:21:57.260 and more of that today.

00:21:59.160 And I'm going to talk

00:21:59.900 about your media company,

00:22:00.660 but just to your point,

00:22:01.840 one of the things

00:22:02.460 I wanted to talk to you about

00:22:03.460 was there's an Axios piece

00:22:04.940 out right now on Trump

00:22:06.100 and what his second term

00:22:07.240 might look like.

00:22:08.120 And there are many,

00:22:09.200 many alleged threats

00:22:10.940 that we all need

00:22:11.500 to fear deeply.

00:22:12.620 But one of them

00:22:13.660 that Axios wanted us to know

00:22:14.960 was his alleged

00:22:15.800 second term cabinet

00:22:16.960 is mostly white men.

00:22:19.120 Oh my God.

00:22:19.620 Are you serious?

00:22:20.780 He's going to be

00:22:21.120 bringing in white men.

00:22:21.480 The ones you founded

00:22:22.140 the country,

00:22:22.800 get them out of here.

00:22:24.640 Like what?

00:22:26.320 They're still putting

00:22:27.200 that into articles

00:22:27.880 like we're supposed

00:22:28.380 to be alarmed.

00:22:29.600 But it's kind of crazy

00:22:30.700 if they said,

00:22:31.400 well, it's mostly Jews

00:22:32.500 or it's mostly Filipinos

00:22:34.000 or there are way too

00:22:34.620 many black guys here.

00:22:35.820 Everyone would be like,

00:22:36.320 wait, what?

00:22:37.260 You're attacking people

00:22:38.320 on the basis of their race.

00:22:40.040 Universal principles

00:22:40.920 apply always.

00:22:42.100 And that is always wrong.

00:22:43.660 So no, you can't do that.

00:22:44.780 I'm not saying

00:22:45.100 you should be put in jail

00:22:45.860 or fired for it,

00:22:46.560 but like the copy editor

00:22:47.520 should say,

00:22:47.900 are we attacking people

00:22:48.980 on the basis of their race?

00:22:50.560 Let's take that out

00:22:51.560 because we don't do that

00:22:52.480 in this country

00:22:53.140 because we don't want

00:22:53.860 to be Rwanda.

00:22:55.020 But it's just great.

00:22:56.620 And I do hope

00:22:57.460 that people push back

00:22:58.360 in a gentle,

00:22:59.740 firm, principled way

00:23:00.680 against that.

00:23:01.560 You know, no.

00:23:02.140 How about no?

00:23:03.440 You know?

00:23:05.420 Yeah, well,

00:23:06.120 you're doing it.

00:23:06.840 All right.

00:23:06.980 So that leads me

00:23:07.600 to the big announcement today.

00:23:08.860 So tell us what you're doing.

00:23:10.920 The headline that

00:23:12.040 that we got from your team

00:23:13.360 is you're launching

00:23:13.980 a streaming service.

00:23:15.180 And then I will be honest.

00:23:16.680 I was like,

00:23:17.520 what is a streaming server?

00:23:19.440 Like, is that like Hulu

00:23:20.960 when I go to my TV

00:23:22.380 or Apple or Netflix?

00:23:24.980 Or like explain what it means

00:23:26.580 and describe the scope of it.

00:23:28.720 I'm about to make a river joke.

00:23:30.940 There's nothing to do with streams.

00:23:32.200 And as a trout fisherman,

00:23:33.240 that makes me sad.

00:23:34.840 No, it's simply bringing programming

00:23:37.020 to you by subscription digitally.

00:23:39.620 And we're going to be doing that

00:23:41.360 for two reasons.

00:23:42.840 One, X,

00:23:44.340 which has just been

00:23:45.120 an amazing venue for us

00:23:46.660 and will continue to be our venue.

00:23:50.100 And Elon Musk has been

00:23:51.320 really great to us.

00:23:53.820 It's not set up

00:23:55.340 for searching previous videos,

00:23:58.380 for example.

00:23:58.820 If you put out a lot of content...

00:24:00.260 For subscription.

00:24:00.820 That's exactly...

00:24:01.440 Or for subscriptions.

00:24:02.460 I think it will be.

00:24:03.660 I mean,

00:24:03.980 there's a subscription function

00:24:05.280 on X

00:24:05.940 and I think it's...

00:24:06.640 They're fine tuning it

00:24:07.480 and I think we're going to

00:24:08.980 participate in that

00:24:09.540 at some point,

00:24:10.260 et cetera, et cetera.

00:24:10.960 But just the way

00:24:11.520 that it's structured,

00:24:12.260 the nature of the app

00:24:13.520 doesn't lend itself

00:24:15.040 to like putting a big library

00:24:16.940 right in front of you

00:24:17.940 on one page.

00:24:19.000 And we want to do that

00:24:20.000 because we have a lot of stuff.

00:24:21.560 And so it's a subscription model

00:24:23.540 just like any other

00:24:24.920 streaming service

00:24:25.960 or one of these companies

00:24:26.680 with plus at the end.

00:24:29.480 And the point is really simple.

00:24:31.400 It's twofold.

00:24:32.160 One, you know,

00:24:33.320 you want to bring

00:24:33.840 a lot of material.

00:24:34.700 I hate the word content.

00:24:35.740 I'm trying to think of an option.

00:24:36.460 And a lot of material,

00:24:37.860 a lot of news,

00:24:38.860 a lot of facts,

00:24:39.800 a lot of thoughtful opinions

00:24:41.320 to people.

00:24:42.120 You want a library, okay?

00:24:44.060 We had a huge library

00:24:45.540 where we worked before.

00:24:46.800 We lost the whole thing.

00:24:47.720 So we want to rebuild that.

00:24:50.380 And second,

00:24:51.280 you need some scale.

00:24:53.080 I'm not a money person,

00:24:54.080 as you said correctly.

00:24:55.600 I probably should be

00:24:56.240 a little more,

00:24:57.000 but we live pretty simply actually.

00:24:58.700 So we don't...

00:24:59.200 But anyway,

00:24:59.720 but you need to have

00:25:00.980 a lot of people work for you

00:25:01.940 if you want to

00:25:02.840 gather the information.

00:25:04.420 There are just too many

00:25:05.280 things going on.

00:25:06.460 And so in order to have

00:25:07.980 a staff capable

00:25:10.000 of bringing a lot

00:25:11.380 of information

00:25:12.100 about what's happening

00:25:12.860 right now,

00:25:13.360 particularly in the next 12 months,

00:25:14.520 which will reshape the world

00:25:15.660 in my view,

00:25:16.800 you need to pay them

00:25:18.260 and you need to have

00:25:18.860 a real company.

00:25:20.340 And the downside is,

00:25:21.300 of course,

00:25:21.600 once you have a real company,

00:25:23.120 then the stakes rise.

00:25:25.260 If you're a lone person,

00:25:26.720 whatever,

00:25:27.400 you're more cat-like.

00:25:29.000 You're like the Viet Cong.

00:25:29.800 You can march 20 miles

00:25:30.620 and sleep in a tree.

00:25:32.000 But if you're a company,

00:25:33.940 you're more a fixed position

00:25:35.020 and a fixed target.

00:25:36.260 So there is a downside to it.

00:25:37.360 But we felt that

00:25:38.160 we needed to do it

00:25:39.740 because there's just

00:25:40.940 a lot going on.

00:25:42.000 So yeah,

00:25:43.020 it's a subscription service.

00:25:45.580 Okay.

00:25:46.100 So,

00:25:46.460 and to get it,

00:25:47.300 people need to go to

00:25:47.980 TuckerCarlson.com right now.

00:25:49.880 Yes.

00:25:50.400 And as I understand it,

00:25:51.240 they can sign up

00:25:52.100 and they can have

00:25:53.300 this subscription relationship

00:25:54.520 with you for $9 a month

00:25:55.880 or $72 a year.

00:25:58.140 Something like that.

00:25:58.900 And in addition,

00:26:00.440 they can still get all the free,

00:26:01.720 they can still get

00:26:02.420 all the free content on X

00:26:04.780 and on an audio podcast

00:26:07.520 that you're dropping.

00:26:08.920 Exactly.

00:26:09.580 And the X stuff

00:26:10.540 is not going away.

00:26:11.980 And I've just been amazed

00:26:13.200 by what a great platform it's been.

00:26:16.020 And the main thing

00:26:16.760 that I've noticed

00:26:17.340 is not just the scale of it.

00:26:18.500 I'm sure coming from television,

00:26:19.980 you see this too.

00:26:20.680 It's like the number of people

00:26:21.440 who watch this show dwarfs

00:26:23.260 anything that's happening

00:26:24.180 on linear television.

00:26:25.360 It's crazy.

00:26:26.020 A different world.

00:26:26.640 I know it's amazing.

00:26:27.300 But the thing that I really notice

00:26:29.240 is how international it is.

00:26:30.480 I mean, it truly is,

00:26:31.580 you know,

00:26:32.360 kind of the world's last

00:26:33.640 big free speech platform.

00:26:36.360 I mean, it is that.

00:26:37.440 And so there's something

00:26:38.880 very appealing about that.

00:26:40.080 The international,

00:26:40.640 we took seven international trips

00:26:42.340 this summer around the world.

00:26:44.300 And I wanted to do that

00:26:45.500 because I've been stuck

00:26:46.080 in the studio

00:26:46.520 for all these years

00:26:47.280 and I hadn't done it

00:26:48.140 in a long time

00:26:49.040 since the beginning

00:26:49.940 of the War on Terror, actually.

00:26:51.120 And it just confirmed my belief

00:26:53.440 that everything is changing

00:26:54.820 so fast,

00:26:55.440 particularly America's role

00:26:56.300 in the world.

00:26:57.280 And so we've got,

00:26:58.420 you know,

00:26:58.640 this winter,

00:26:59.240 we're traveling around the world

00:27:00.940 to a bunch of different places.

00:27:02.080 We've got a bunch

00:27:02.500 of different interviews

00:27:03.160 and stories that we're doing

00:27:04.340 in various countries.

00:27:06.640 And that's a huge feature of it.

00:27:08.580 And that, you know,

00:27:09.620 a lot of that will appear on X.

00:27:11.080 But you also sort of wonder,

00:27:12.520 like, I like long form.

00:27:13.760 You now do it for a living

00:27:14.960 and you know how satisfying it is

00:27:16.120 to talk to someone

00:27:16.720 for more than eight minutes.

00:27:18.080 You sort of wonder, like,

00:27:19.500 there's got to be a place

00:27:20.640 that's easier to view

00:27:21.700 than, you know,

00:27:23.120 social media are right now.

00:27:24.620 And so some of that

00:27:27.040 will go on X.

00:27:27.780 And then if you're interested

00:27:29.100 in more in some other features

00:27:31.360 and documentaries,

00:27:32.020 we're doing a bunch

00:27:32.900 of documentaries.

00:27:34.440 All of that is

00:27:35.520 in the subscription service.

00:27:37.840 So we think it's worth it.

00:27:38.860 You know what this reminds me of,

00:27:39.700 Tucker?

00:27:39.840 I appeared at some media conference

00:27:42.900 a year ago

00:27:43.920 and one of the main featured speakers

00:27:46.180 was Mr. Beast.

00:27:48.200 And Mr. Beast, you know,

00:27:50.600 he's incredibly, incredibly successful.

00:27:53.080 Yes.

00:27:53.460 He's figured out

00:27:54.320 the YouTube algorithm.

00:27:55.700 Like, the head of YouTube

00:27:56.640 was there talking about

00:27:57.580 how he's spoken to this guy, Jimmy,

00:27:59.320 and how he's not just some kid

00:28:01.400 who got lucky on YouTube.

00:28:02.420 Like, he figured out the algorithm

00:28:03.820 and started programming to it

00:28:05.500 and just everything exploded.

00:28:06.780 I think he's got

00:28:07.280 200 million subscribers now.

00:28:08.960 But one of the ways

00:28:10.200 in which he did it

00:28:11.080 was he appeals

00:28:13.360 to a worldwide audience.

00:28:15.380 He's gone beyond

00:28:16.500 the United States of America

00:28:17.940 and he produces content

00:28:19.560 that could be interesting

00:28:20.720 across cultures,

00:28:22.600 across languages,

00:28:23.660 and so on.

00:28:24.800 And that's kind of

00:28:25.720 what I see you doing.

00:28:27.000 You're like becoming

00:28:27.900 the Mr. Beast of news.

00:28:29.740 Well, I would say,

00:28:30.340 I mean, that's a huge compliment

00:28:31.540 because he's been

00:28:32.180 so remarkably successful

00:28:33.420 in the medium.

00:28:34.280 I would just say two things.

00:28:35.000 He works with YouTube.

00:28:36.400 OK, so he's he's very

00:28:38.720 he's actually sort of

00:28:40.100 part of their business

00:28:41.060 in a way.

00:28:42.020 I'm not attacking that,

00:28:43.180 but that's a little bit

00:28:44.160 different from what we're doing.

00:28:45.020 And I would also say

00:28:45.820 that he's very self-consciously,

00:28:47.660 you know, non-offensive.

00:28:49.540 He's trying to appeal

00:28:50.180 to his wife.

00:28:50.680 You know, he's Disney

00:28:51.500 trying to sell a movie

00:28:52.340 in China.

00:28:52.720 And you're the opposite.

00:28:54.080 Well, a little bit.

00:28:55.000 I mean, just by

00:28:55.580 not that I seek

00:28:57.080 to offend people.

00:28:57.780 I really don't.

00:28:58.640 In fact, I think it's wrong

00:28:59.700 to offend people

00:29:00.340 for its own sake.

00:29:01.620 I'm not giving the finger

00:29:02.640 to old ladies at crosswalks.

00:29:04.100 You know what I mean?

00:29:04.480 I actually don't like

00:29:05.340 to offend people.

00:29:05.880 However, no,

00:29:06.960 but truth telling

00:29:07.680 in modern day America

00:29:08.660 can be offensive.

00:29:09.560 Well, in the modern day world,

00:29:10.720 I mean, you know,

00:29:11.580 what's happening in America

00:29:12.600 looks very much like

00:29:13.540 what's happening

00:29:14.100 in half a dozen

00:29:15.200 other countries

00:29:15.940 I've been to

00:29:16.420 in the last couple of months.

00:29:17.360 I mean, it's the same template.

00:29:19.060 The countries are becoming

00:29:19.720 less democratic.

00:29:20.740 They yelp about democracy,

00:29:21.920 constantly democracy.

00:29:22.540 We're defending democracy

00:29:23.480 when, in fact,

00:29:24.520 they're creating

00:29:25.060 permanent oligarchies

00:29:26.360 with the help of technology.

00:29:27.940 That's exactly what's happening.

00:29:29.140 And again, not just here.

00:29:30.500 The Anglosphere,

00:29:31.300 they put people

00:29:31.800 in concentration camps

00:29:33.020 in Australia.

00:29:33.560 They ended free speech

00:29:35.220 in New Zealand

00:29:35.880 and any right

00:29:37.560 to self-defense.

00:29:38.340 Like, these are countries

00:29:39.040 who are becoming authoritarian.

00:29:40.860 Canada killed, like,

00:29:42.640 in the last few years

00:29:43.240 has killed over 40,000

00:29:44.940 of its own citizens

00:29:46.080 through state,

00:29:48.060 you know,

00:29:48.800 state-administered suicide.

00:29:50.020 Like, there's all this

00:29:51.080 amazing stuff going on

00:29:52.160 around the world.

00:29:52.740 And so to push back

00:29:54.820 against any of it

00:29:55.760 immediately means

00:29:56.700 you're going to be called,

00:29:57.460 let me guess,

00:29:57.940 a racist.

00:29:59.800 Racist!

00:30:00.440 And a bunch of other things, too.

00:30:02.980 And so it's kind of

00:30:05.060 baked in the cake.

00:30:05.920 Like, you're going to

00:30:06.720 make people mad

00:30:08.000 if you call them out

00:30:09.080 on what they're doing.

00:30:10.400 That's wrong.

00:30:11.260 But that's kind of

00:30:12.580 the whole point

00:30:13.200 is because we don't...

00:30:14.440 I mean, and that really

00:30:15.020 is the whole point

00:30:15.500 of the subscriptions.

00:30:16.400 It's like,

00:30:17.640 I mean, I don't know

00:30:18.300 how honest...

00:30:18.740 You know, I should

00:30:20.000 probably be here,

00:30:20.620 but, like, I didn't...

00:30:22.320 Elon never offered me

00:30:23.200 any money or anything

00:30:23.940 or to hire me

00:30:24.660 or anything like that.

00:30:25.640 But it...

00:30:26.060 And I love him.

00:30:26.960 I think he's wonderful.

00:30:28.100 But it never occurred to me

00:30:29.540 to ask to work for him

00:30:31.300 because the whole point

00:30:32.980 is not working for anybody.

00:30:34.240 That's, like, the whole point.

00:30:35.500 And we turned down

00:30:36.840 a couple of opportunities,

00:30:38.280 very generous and kind,

00:30:39.820 and I think they were meant

00:30:41.260 in the best spirit.

00:30:42.540 But just the nature

00:30:43.900 of that arrangement

00:30:44.800 is something that

00:30:45.680 at this stage of my life

00:30:46.520 I just don't want.

00:30:47.700 I want to wake up

00:30:48.600 and say to myself,

00:30:49.720 you can say

00:30:50.860 whatever you want,

00:30:52.300 you know,

00:30:52.540 within the bounds

00:30:53.180 of what you think is true,

00:30:54.880 your own conscience,

00:30:56.020 whatever.

00:30:56.560 But I'm going to make

00:30:57.100 those calls

00:30:57.740 and I'm going to do it

00:30:58.540 without interference.

00:31:00.700 Period.

00:31:01.320 And I'm going to tell

00:31:02.060 the unadorned truth

00:31:03.220 and I hope gently

00:31:04.760 and, you know,

00:31:05.620 in as least offensive way

00:31:06.720 as I possibly can.

00:31:08.140 But I'm going to tell

00:31:09.040 that truth

00:31:09.620 until the day I die.

00:31:10.800 And I really mean that.

00:31:11.980 And I'm going to try

00:31:12.460 to do it in my personal life, too.

00:31:13.740 It's one of my things

00:31:14.800 that I've resolved to do

00:31:15.720 until I die

00:31:16.320 because I think

00:31:16.800 that's the answer.

00:31:17.520 I really do.

00:31:17.960 So this is the only way

00:31:20.300 for you.

00:31:20.820 This is the only way forward

00:31:21.940 in the if you zoom out

00:31:23.300 and then we looked

00:31:23.820 at 94 at Tucker Carlson's

00:31:26.300 career when we look

00:31:27.040 back at 53,

00:31:28.540 which I think you were

00:31:29.280 when the Fox decision

00:31:30.340 came down.

00:31:31.180 It will be the best thing

00:31:32.200 that ever happened to you.

00:31:33.000 It'll be a great thing

00:31:33.700 for America.

00:31:34.720 You know,

00:31:35.160 you look at the stats.

00:31:36.040 We just had numbers

00:31:36.640 out today.

00:31:37.020 In fact,

00:31:37.240 my team pulled these

00:31:37.920 for me and I thought

00:31:38.480 they were very interesting

00:31:39.260 on what cable's doing,

00:31:41.420 what broadcast is doing

00:31:42.480 right now.

00:31:42.860 And I know you know

00:31:43.640 that, you know,

00:31:44.220 it's a dying business,

00:31:45.620 but the stats actually

00:31:47.160 show it.

00:31:47.680 Just not for nothing,

00:31:48.920 but take a listen to this.

00:31:51.600 The headline at The Verge

00:31:52.660 is it's official.

00:31:53.440 People are not watching TV

00:31:54.380 as much as they used to.

00:31:55.380 Linear TV now accounts

00:31:56.520 for less than 50%

00:31:58.320 of all TV usage.

00:32:00.820 So, you know,

00:32:01.220 you've got a TV

00:32:01.720 in your house.

00:32:02.480 You turn it on.

00:32:03.340 You have all sorts of options.

00:32:04.300 You can turn on cable.

00:32:05.180 You can turn on your broadcast

00:32:06.100 television networks,

00:32:06.980 ABC, NBC, CBS,

00:32:08.060 or you can turn on

00:32:09.860 or you can go to Apple.

00:32:11.120 You can go to Hulu.

00:32:11.760 You can go to Netflix

00:32:12.260 and go to Amazon Prime

00:32:13.200 or you can go to YouTube.

00:32:14.520 You can like,

00:32:14.900 you have all different rumble.

00:32:16.220 You have different options

00:32:17.360 there now.

00:32:18.320 And those different options

00:32:19.940 are now dominating

00:32:21.700 the more than 50%

00:32:23.720 cable and linear television

00:32:26.120 entirely.

00:32:27.040 Never mind news

00:32:27.840 are dying,

00:32:29.380 you know,

00:32:30.080 so you've left a dying animal

00:32:31.860 and you've,

00:32:32.640 you've gotten on top

00:32:33.920 of this new exciting horse

00:32:35.120 and you're,

00:32:36.300 you're going to ride it off

00:32:37.200 into the sunset

00:32:37.700 all the way

00:32:38.300 to your dying day,

00:32:39.000 Tucker.

00:32:39.200 And I think you're going

00:32:39.660 to be an important voice

00:32:40.860 even more so than you were.

00:32:41.960 All right,

00:32:42.200 stand by

00:32:42.600 because I got to pay my bills.

00:32:44.080 This is not a subscription service.

00:32:45.820 We depend on the advertisers.

00:32:48.620 What's coming up right now?

00:32:50.240 More with Tucker Carlson

00:32:51.340 who stays with us

00:32:52.160 for the show.

00:32:54.840 They told you

00:32:55.600 the guys torching Wendy's

00:32:57.020 in 2020

00:32:57.600 were mostly peaceful.

00:33:00.800 They said that mask worked.

00:33:03.000 They told you

00:33:03.660 the facts was safe.

00:33:05.440 They tried to convince you

00:33:06.800 that Russia

00:33:07.560 blew up its own pipeline.

00:33:09.920 The corporate media

00:33:10.740 lied too much

00:33:11.860 and it killed them.

00:33:13.980 We're driving to see

00:33:15.220 join the song.

00:33:16.100 Believe me when I tell you.

00:33:17.080 Wait, wait, wait.

00:33:17.300 I should be boycotting,

00:33:18.640 but like.

00:33:18.920 Fantastic job.

00:33:19.820 Thank you.

00:33:20.380 Oh, that was amazing.

00:33:25.460 Tucker Carlson Network

00:33:27.060 in the background

00:33:27.980 is like a red pill,

00:33:30.040 which I love.

00:33:31.440 That promo was exciting.

00:33:33.080 And by the way,

00:33:33.720 once again for the audience,

00:33:34.600 it's Tucker Carlson dot com

00:33:36.080 to sign up for their subscriptions

00:33:37.260 and the Tucker Carlson podcast

00:33:39.200 available free and everywhere.

00:33:40.880 First episode with

00:33:42.060 our mutual friend,

00:33:43.080 Kid Rock just came out.

00:33:44.580 Love it.

00:33:45.260 He's so entertaining

00:33:46.140 to talk to.

00:33:47.560 The best.

00:33:49.120 I love.

00:33:49.460 Is it meant to be

00:33:50.180 a red pill in the background

00:33:51.060 or is that just

00:33:51.680 am I imagining that?

00:33:52.620 As hard as it may be

00:33:53.860 to believe it's true,

00:33:55.020 I had never seen

00:33:55.780 any of that before.

00:33:57.060 I just saw it all now

00:33:58.580 for the first time.

00:33:59.320 You've never seen any?

00:34:00.260 No, no, no.

00:34:00.840 What?

00:34:00.960 No, I have a weird style of,

00:34:03.340 I've got producers

00:34:04.120 in the studio right now

00:34:05.240 who are nodding,

00:34:06.020 but yeah,

00:34:07.000 I have a weird style

00:34:08.020 where I just,

00:34:08.780 I'm like totally

00:34:09.380 in my own world

00:34:10.180 and I stay there

00:34:11.520 and I don't ever

00:34:12.940 kind of venture out

00:34:14.000 and the people

00:34:14.940 that we have

00:34:15.820 who we've worked with,

00:34:16.880 I've worked with

00:34:17.380 for many years now

00:34:18.760 are so good

00:34:19.980 that I never ask like,

00:34:21.280 oh, what did the promo look like

00:34:22.540 or what's the design look like?

00:34:24.700 I mean, I've never asked

00:34:25.300 and I've never seen any of it.

00:34:26.860 So I like it though.

00:34:28.140 Wasn't that exciting?

00:34:28.720 I would sign up.

00:34:29.340 Yeah, it was great.

00:34:30.000 I like it too.

00:34:30.560 I love it.

00:34:31.600 Yeah.

00:34:31.940 It really was.

00:34:32.640 Those are all ad-libbed,

00:34:33.960 by the way.

00:34:34.460 That promo,

00:34:36.140 we just made it up.

00:34:38.440 I made it up as I was talking

00:34:39.860 because it seemed true.

00:34:41.500 But yeah, no,

00:34:42.140 so I don't think anybody

00:34:44.100 from HBS

00:34:45.100 is going to be studying

00:34:45.880 my management style

00:34:46.920 and trying to replicate it

00:34:48.020 because it's probably not

00:34:49.940 not the most conventional.

00:34:52.200 Replicatable.

00:34:52.780 Yeah, maybe.

00:34:53.920 No, I've said,

00:34:54.680 I've said,

00:34:55.320 and forgive me

00:34:55.960 because I like Vivek

00:34:57.200 and I know you like Vivek too,

00:34:58.940 but one of my criticisms

00:34:59.940 of Vivek in this race

00:35:01.140 has been he's trying to be you,

00:35:02.620 but there's only one you

00:35:03.620 and it's not imitatable.

00:35:05.280 Like he's got to do his own thing.

00:35:07.200 There's only one Vivek.

00:35:08.420 He should stay in that lane.

00:35:09.360 There's no imitating Trump,

00:35:10.500 but there's no imitating Tucker,

00:35:12.160 period.

00:35:12.780 Well, it's interesting.

00:35:13.700 I know you've noticed,

00:35:14.700 I mean, this is neither here

00:35:15.400 nor there,

00:35:15.660 but it's just,

00:35:16.040 I've always noticed it

00:35:16.760 that candidates

00:35:17.760 during the course of a campaign,

00:35:18.960 particularly if it gets intense,

00:35:20.800 they do change.

00:35:22.380 I mean, they reach,

00:35:23.480 they become different people.

00:35:25.000 I've seen this,

00:35:25.960 I've covered a lot of candidates

00:35:27.200 and, you know,

00:35:28.300 known a lot of presidents

00:35:29.340 and everything,

00:35:30.000 and they,

00:35:30.500 by the end of the campaign,

00:35:32.160 they really are a different person.

00:35:33.620 So I feel like

00:35:34.500 when you watch people

00:35:35.500 at debates

00:35:36.260 or on the stump

00:35:36.920 or whatever,

00:35:37.360 you're watching someone

00:35:38.680 in the process

00:35:39.420 of becoming something different,

00:35:40.760 and I really notice it

00:35:42.020 with Vivek.

00:35:42.600 He is changing in real time.

00:35:44.820 He's, you know,

00:35:45.880 candidates try and teach

00:35:46.920 their audience

00:35:47.460 and convince their audience,

00:35:48.540 but they're also learning

00:35:49.420 from the experience

00:35:50.300 of being in front of audiences,

00:35:51.500 I have noticed.

00:35:52.900 And he is changing,

00:35:54.560 and I have to say,

00:35:55.720 I mean, that debate,

00:35:56.480 I should have said this

00:35:57.080 at the outset,

00:35:57.580 was amazing.

00:35:58.640 It was the only interesting one

00:35:59.720 we've had this cycle.

00:36:01.800 Congratulations on that.

00:36:03.340 His hostility

00:36:04.520 toward Nikki Haley,

00:36:06.300 I mean,

00:36:06.460 you're in the room,

00:36:07.040 you tell me,

00:36:07.800 that seemed completely real.

00:36:09.160 That did not seem

00:36:09.700 manufactured at all.

00:36:11.140 Was it?

00:36:11.600 Did you think?

00:36:11.980 Oh, it's legit.

00:36:12.920 Yeah.

00:36:13.560 I completely think it's legit,

00:36:15.300 and I think he's,

00:36:16.200 it's fine.

00:36:16.840 He's representing a segment

00:36:17.920 of the GOP base

00:36:18.900 that can't stand her,

00:36:20.500 that thinks she's too hawkish,

00:36:22.020 that thinks she's too tied

00:36:22.980 to the establishment.

00:36:24.380 That's, like,

00:36:25.380 people got offended

00:36:26.120 by his little sign.

00:36:26.820 I like the prop.

00:36:27.660 I want more props.

00:36:28.880 I think they're going to fall.

00:36:29.560 Oh, I agree.

00:36:30.120 Like, the visuals kind of help people

00:36:31.360 remember what your message is.

00:36:32.620 They don't have to agree with it.

00:36:34.700 Completely.

00:36:35.480 But it wasn't fake, though,

00:36:36.740 because I hear people say,

00:36:38.120 and I'm kind of,

00:36:38.660 I don't cover,

00:36:39.280 follow politics that closely,

00:36:40.560 honestly, electoral politics,

00:36:41.500 but I hear the main rap

00:36:43.260 against Vivek

00:36:44.060 is that he's manufactured.

00:36:46.120 You know,

00:36:46.260 this is, like,

00:36:46.800 some McKinsey scheme

00:36:48.280 to become president,

00:36:49.240 but that,

00:36:50.420 just watching the tape,

00:36:51.260 and I'm just interested,

00:36:51.840 since you were literally there

00:36:53.120 in the room

00:36:53.900 doing the moderating,

00:36:55.420 that seemed, like,

00:36:57.460 truly how he feels.

00:36:58.760 Like,

00:36:58.920 that did not seem

00:36:59.460 like an act at all.

00:37:00.220 Oh, yeah.

00:37:01.540 I think those two

00:37:02.360 can't stand each other.

00:37:03.320 And even in the breaks,

00:37:04.140 you see Christy

00:37:04.900 and Nikki Haley

00:37:06.000 sort of together

00:37:07.180 and cracking jokes,

00:37:08.780 and they seem very friendly

00:37:09.500 with one another.

00:37:10.600 And a little bit more this time,

00:37:12.120 DeSantis and Vivek,

00:37:13.260 like,

00:37:13.480 they were a little bit

00:37:14.100 more friendly.

00:37:15.260 But it was,

00:37:16.140 for me,

00:37:16.440 it was fascinating

00:37:16.960 because you saw,

00:37:17.600 like,

00:37:17.760 the old school Republican Party

00:37:19.340 and more the new school

00:37:20.480 Republican Party

00:37:21.160 on stage

00:37:22.440 in a way that was,

00:37:23.340 you know,

00:37:23.660 pretty indicative

00:37:24.180 of where we've been

00:37:25.000 and where we're going.

00:37:26.460 Yeah,

00:37:26.840 they don't like each other.

00:37:28.200 But I think Vivek,

00:37:29.260 the criticism of him,

00:37:30.420 which I tried to get to

00:37:31.180 in my electability question

00:37:32.300 for him is,

00:37:33.260 you know,

00:37:33.440 I was joking on the air

00:37:35.720 that he was,

00:37:36.880 like Sybil

00:37:37.520 at these debates.

00:37:38.520 Like,

00:37:38.860 the first debate,

00:37:39.840 he was like,

00:37:40.720 he came out of nowhere.

00:37:41.700 He was,

00:37:42.080 everyone's bought and paid for.

00:37:43.240 And then the second debate,

00:37:43.920 he's like,

00:37:44.420 everyone's a good person

00:37:45.480 and I hate personal insults.

00:37:47.380 Debate number three was like,

00:37:48.780 he's wearing high heels.

00:37:50.720 Jesus.

00:37:52.700 So good.

00:37:53.600 Was it different for you,

00:37:55.640 host,

00:37:55.960 because obviously

00:37:56.380 you've done this before,

00:37:57.680 but to do it

00:37:59.060 with,

00:37:59.600 not as an employee

00:38:00.780 of a big television network?

00:38:02.900 Yes,

00:38:03.420 it was liberating,

00:38:05.160 Tucker,

00:38:05.560 because it was like,

00:38:06.400 I don't know how,

00:38:09.300 certainly NBC,

00:38:10.860 but maybe even Fox

00:38:12.160 would have reacted

00:38:12.900 to my question

00:38:14.760 on COVID vaccine injuries.

00:38:16.400 And I really have questions

00:38:17.340 about how Fox

00:38:18.000 would have reacted

00:38:18.560 to my question

00:38:19.220 on trans and kids

00:38:21.420 and what we're doing

00:38:22.820 to the children.

00:38:23.500 They're not so great

00:38:24.300 over at Fox News

00:38:25.060 on this thing.

00:38:25.760 So it was great to be,

00:38:27.820 and to their credit,

00:38:28.840 News Nation,

00:38:29.480 which was not in charge of me,

00:38:30.620 we were equal partners

00:38:31.580 on that whole thing.

00:38:32.840 They didn't give me

00:38:33.740 one bit of guff.

00:38:35.120 Like,

00:38:35.360 at no point

00:38:36.180 did anybody say,

00:38:37.200 hey,

00:38:37.400 are you sure

00:38:37.820 you want to ask that

00:38:38.720 with the look of terror

00:38:39.760 in their eyes?

00:38:40.520 That was totally right.

00:38:41.000 And that was one

00:38:41.340 of the reasons

00:38:41.660 why it was important

00:38:42.180 to me to be,

00:38:42.760 not just an anchor of it,

00:38:43.820 but a co-sponsor

00:38:45.180 of the whole thing.

00:38:45.940 Like,

00:38:46.140 I'm going to ask

00:38:46.680 what I want to ask,

00:38:47.520 and I had full editorial

00:38:48.200 control over my questions,

00:38:49.360 which I never would have

00:38:51.000 at Fox or NBC.

00:38:52.580 But see,

00:38:53.020 that's what's great

00:38:53.620 about our news system.

00:38:54.560 I'm just thinking,

00:38:55.300 like,

00:38:55.580 and I'm sure everyone

00:38:56.200 at News Nation,

00:38:56.920 I don't know them,

00:38:57.800 but I'm sure they were,

00:38:58.780 obviously,

00:38:59.180 they wouldn't have partnered

00:38:59.740 with you if they didn't like you.

00:39:01.520 However,

00:39:02.560 because you're really

00:39:04.280 kind of beholden

00:39:05.100 just to yourself,

00:39:06.300 they can't try

00:39:07.720 and control you.

00:39:08.840 Because in the back

00:39:09.640 of their minds,

00:39:10.140 if they're like,

00:39:10.640 Megan,

00:39:10.940 you can't say that,

00:39:12.020 you just go on your show

00:39:12.780 and say,

00:39:13.100 you know,

00:39:13.220 News Nation was trying

00:39:13.900 to tell me what to say.

00:39:15.440 And do you know what I mean?

00:39:16.440 It's like,

00:39:16.940 once people get free,

00:39:18.400 everybody's more free.

00:39:19.580 Because you actually have

00:39:21.560 watchdogs,

00:39:22.500 real watchdogs,

00:39:23.620 not the fake fact check watchdogs.

00:39:25.980 But like,

00:39:26.360 if you try and get

00:39:28.260 Megyn Kelly to lie,

00:39:29.360 she'll just go in public

00:39:30.340 and reveal you.

00:39:31.880 And that keeps people

00:39:33.080 more honest,

00:39:33.640 I think.

00:39:34.540 It's so,

00:39:35.540 it's empowering to you

00:39:37.260 as a truth teller.

00:39:38.300 Like,

00:39:38.460 you can just keep

00:39:39.140 telling more truth.

00:39:40.120 And for me,

00:39:40.460 I love it on this show

00:39:41.080 because I've said before,

00:39:43.000 and I know I watched you

00:39:44.220 on Fox go after Sidney Powell,

00:39:46.460 that whole Dominion thing,

00:39:47.740 saying she's lying to you,

00:39:48.760 this is bullshit.

00:39:49.580 So you do it too.

00:39:50.600 You're not all about

00:39:51.800 whispering the sweet nothings

00:39:53.440 to your audience.

00:39:54.500 No.

00:39:54.760 Even like,

00:39:55.540 you know what they want.

00:39:56.720 The audience did not want

00:39:58.240 to hear you say,

00:39:59.240 Sidney Powell is a fraud.

00:40:00.620 Don't believe her.

00:40:01.740 I'm telling you,

00:40:02.760 this is bullshit.

00:40:03.620 The crack in

00:40:04.300 and the voting machines.

00:40:05.800 And,

00:40:06.600 but you said it,

00:40:07.760 you said it.

00:40:08.600 And that's how I feel here.

00:40:10.000 Like,

00:40:10.520 I have to say what I know

00:40:11.800 is real based on what I've seen.

00:40:13.220 Can we be,

00:40:13.860 you know,

00:40:14.380 omnipotent?

00:40:15.060 Can we see everything?

00:40:16.100 No,

00:40:16.340 we can do the best we can

00:40:17.460 without having an agenda.

00:40:19.800 And that's all anybody

00:40:21.200 can ask of us,

00:40:22.180 right?

00:40:22.320 That's literally the best

00:40:23.220 we can do.

00:40:23.880 And people can feel it,

00:40:24.900 I think.

00:40:25.440 I mean,

00:40:25.740 they may not know

00:40:26.620 what all the details are.

00:40:27.680 Sometimes I don't know

00:40:28.320 what all the details are.

00:40:29.760 But they can tell

00:40:31.280 if you're,

00:40:32.560 A,

00:40:32.820 not controlled,

00:40:33.800 if you're really trying

00:40:34.460 to follow your conscience,

00:40:35.580 and B,

00:40:36.540 if you're trying to tell

00:40:37.400 the truth

00:40:37.760 as you understand it.

00:40:38.860 And I do think

00:40:39.960 admitting fault

00:40:41.260 is a huge part

00:40:42.260 of maintaining that trust.

00:40:44.400 That's one thing

00:40:44.960 I notice about the people

00:40:45.800 who run the country

00:40:46.460 and the world.

00:40:47.200 The one thing

00:40:47.660 they'll never do

00:40:48.180 is admit they were wrong.

00:40:49.500 And you wonder why?

00:40:50.600 Is it really so hard

00:40:51.320 to admit you were wrong?

00:40:52.340 It's the basis

00:40:52.920 of all the Abrahamic religions.

00:40:54.580 You can't be a religious person

00:40:56.640 without first admitting

00:40:57.600 you were wrong.

00:40:58.620 You can't recover

00:41:00.080 from drug and alcohol addiction

00:41:01.360 until you do the same.

00:41:02.220 I mean,

00:41:02.360 it really is a prerequisite

00:41:03.380 for living a happy,

00:41:04.540 balanced,

00:41:04.900 decent life.

00:41:05.780 And it's the one thing

00:41:06.640 that they can't do

00:41:07.720 under any circumstances.

00:41:08.960 They'll never admit,

00:41:09.840 like, wow, you know,

00:41:10.840 we thought Saddam

00:41:11.620 had weapons of mass destruction.

00:41:12.820 Turn out he did it.

00:41:13.300 I'm really sorry.

00:41:13.900 And we're doing our best.

00:41:15.140 If they'd done that

00:41:16.260 20 years ago,

00:41:17.280 this country would be

00:41:18.040 in such a better place.

00:41:19.500 Even if they continued the war.

00:41:20.900 If they just admitted

00:41:21.660 their own wrongness

00:41:23.660 and culpability in that,

00:41:25.940 in misleading the public,

00:41:27.580 I mean, you know,

00:41:28.780 it would have just been

00:41:29.600 a much better place.

00:41:30.460 Much better place.

00:41:31.580 But they didn't.

00:41:33.180 It's not really in the DNA

00:41:34.520 of most politicians.

00:41:35.940 And I mean,

00:41:36.640 let's be honest,

00:41:37.320 it's not in the DNA

00:41:38.380 of the two politicians

00:41:39.260 who are likely to be

00:41:40.080 the GOP and Dem nominees

00:41:41.480 right now either.

00:41:42.660 No, I don't remember

00:41:43.440 either of them having that.

00:41:45.360 But on that subject,

00:41:46.420 I've got to ask you

00:41:46.960 and I want to talk politics too.

00:41:49.600 This is very interesting.

00:41:51.500 Trump went on

00:41:51.980 the Clay and Buck show.

00:41:53.200 I know you've heard about this

00:41:54.380 and he, well,

00:41:55.060 maybe you haven't

00:41:55.600 because you don't really

00:41:56.320 tune into the news

00:41:57.000 and listen to the following

00:41:58.360 exchange, top three.

00:42:00.540 So would Tucker Carlson

00:42:02.280 be on your list

00:42:03.380 of potential VPs?

00:42:04.980 I like Tucker a lot.

00:42:06.420 I guess I would.

00:42:07.320 I think I'd say I would

00:42:08.320 because he's got

00:42:10.180 great common sense.

00:42:12.360 Oh, I know you get

00:42:14.120 asked this all the time.

00:42:15.640 But I mean,

00:42:16.560 if asked,

00:42:17.340 would you serve?

00:42:18.880 Well, it's just,

00:42:19.660 it's just so unimaginable.

00:42:21.260 I mean,

00:42:21.400 I haven't led a life

00:42:22.700 that prepares a person

00:42:23.740 for politics.

00:42:24.400 As I said,

00:42:25.220 I don't think I have

00:42:26.060 any like horrible skeletons

00:42:27.180 or anything.

00:42:29.000 It's not that.

00:42:30.020 It's just that

00:42:30.500 that's not how my brain works.

00:42:31.800 I've never done

00:42:32.340 anything like that.

00:42:33.660 I can't imagine

00:42:34.600 spending time

00:42:35.300 with politicians.

00:42:36.540 I'm a total sucker

00:42:37.740 for Trump.

00:42:38.320 I think he's,

00:42:39.640 you know,

00:42:39.900 personally,

00:42:40.520 I get along with Trump

00:42:41.280 really well.

00:42:41.780 The closer I am

00:42:42.840 physically to Trump,

00:42:43.860 like if I'm with him

00:42:44.720 in the room,

00:42:45.260 I always love Trump.

00:42:46.300 And I think it's impossible

00:42:47.060 not to.

00:42:47.700 And you know the experience.

00:42:48.820 He's just charming.

00:42:49.740 Okay.

00:42:50.020 And he's funny as hell.

00:42:51.320 Yeah.

00:42:51.600 And he's brave

00:42:52.240 in his way,

00:42:52.700 I think.

00:42:53.360 So I really appreciate that.

00:42:54.680 And I agree with fundamentally

00:42:55.680 with his views,

00:42:56.660 you know,

00:42:56.920 maybe fewer wars,

00:42:58.560 maybe have a border.

00:42:59.460 Like those are not crazy things

00:43:00.560 and I support them wholeheartedly.

00:43:01.820 And I'm appalled

00:43:02.920 and terrified

00:43:03.680 by the use of the DOJ

00:43:05.980 to rig an election,

00:43:07.180 which is what's happening now.

00:43:08.180 So all those factors

00:43:09.820 make me kind of psyched

00:43:11.640 to vote for Trump.

00:43:12.880 But serving in politics

00:43:14.940 with anybody,

00:43:15.860 I mean,

00:43:16.100 that's just,

00:43:16.620 that's a,

00:43:17.260 it's a lot for me

00:43:18.480 to think about

00:43:19.000 because I just don't think

00:43:20.220 I'm really suited for that.

00:43:21.660 I mean,

00:43:21.840 do they,

00:43:22.320 would anyone want to see a guy

00:43:23.880 like me run for office?

00:43:25.600 And people are like,

00:43:26.000 oh yeah,

00:43:26.480 not really actually.

00:43:28.100 I'm kind of,

00:43:28.860 not really.

00:43:30.080 And I don't know

00:43:30.700 that I'd be good at it all.

00:43:31.940 If I had you

00:43:32.860 on that debate stage,

00:43:34.100 Tucker,

00:43:34.440 I actually thought about this.

00:43:35.640 If you were out

00:43:36.340 on that debate stage last week

00:43:37.640 as one of the candidates,

00:43:39.320 it would be so fun

00:43:40.700 because you really would be

00:43:42.260 just saying what's real.

00:43:43.600 There'd be no massaging

00:43:45.120 of message

00:43:45.780 and everyone would respond

00:43:47.700 so well to you.

00:43:48.520 Like it's just so rare.

00:43:49.760 And when you,

00:43:50.520 when someone is,

00:43:51.400 is as authentic as you are,

00:43:53.960 the people know,

00:43:55.600 they,

00:43:56.040 I just don't think they're,

00:43:57.180 you're not going to end your life

00:43:58.060 without having been

00:43:58.840 probably president,

00:43:59.800 maybe vice president.

00:44:01.160 It's interesting though.

00:44:02.440 Like I've known a couple people,

00:44:03.960 I've known everyone

00:44:04.580 who's run for president

00:44:05.340 pretty much

00:44:05.880 in the last 30 years,

00:44:06.800 but I've had a couple people

00:44:08.060 that I really like

00:44:08.960 and stayed at my house

00:44:09.960 run for president

00:44:10.700 just from another life

00:44:11.860 and then they get into it.

00:44:13.420 And you always think,

00:44:14.660 wow,

00:44:14.820 this is the person

00:44:15.520 who's just going to be

00:44:16.240 completely honest

00:44:16.960 and say what he really thinks

00:44:18.040 and not in a way

00:44:19.200 to inflame people.

00:44:20.240 I don't think

00:44:20.640 you should do that,

00:44:21.300 by the way.

00:44:21.600 Don't inflame people on purpose.

00:44:22.600 There's no virtue in that,

00:44:23.960 but just tell the truth.

00:44:25.140 And then you see them subverted.

00:44:26.780 I mean,

00:44:27.000 it's crazy.

00:44:28.060 Even,

00:44:28.400 and I would never name names

00:44:29.560 because I don't want to hurt

00:44:30.080 anyone's feelings,

00:44:30.780 but like you see these people

00:44:32.420 run for president

00:44:33.160 and all of a sudden

00:44:33.580 an issue will pop up

00:44:34.720 and they're,

00:44:35.520 it's like,

00:44:36.020 where did that come from?

00:44:37.380 Well,

00:44:37.540 because they're getting leaned on

00:44:38.840 or blackmailed,

00:44:39.920 which is real.

00:44:41.160 Let me just say that

00:44:41.960 without being more specific.

00:44:42.880 That's real.

00:44:43.640 I have seen it.

00:44:44.900 You know,

00:44:45.040 we found out this about you.

00:44:46.880 Cool it on that.

00:44:48.060 I've seen that happen.

00:44:49.420 So if you suspect

00:44:50.640 that it's kind of rigged

00:44:52.280 by,

00:44:53.340 you know,

00:44:53.660 people with more power

00:44:54.580 than the candidates,

00:44:55.500 you're absolutely right.

00:44:57.220 And so,

00:44:57.840 I don't know.

00:44:58.920 I mean,

00:44:59.200 that whole world is,

00:45:00.540 is,

00:45:01.040 you know,

00:45:02.040 repugnant to me,

00:45:02.860 to be honest with you.

00:45:04.840 So it's,

00:45:05.560 it's,

00:45:06.000 it's a no for now.

00:45:07.140 You can't envision it,

00:45:08.120 but the door's not totally shut.

00:45:09.980 I mean,

00:45:10.260 who knows what happens

00:45:11.260 in the coming year?

00:45:11.980 I think we're in

00:45:12.480 for real volatility

00:45:13.380 and if there's some way

00:45:14.120 that I could help.

00:45:15.340 But,

00:45:15.980 you know,

00:45:16.440 I'm not bragging

00:45:17.280 and it's not just

00:45:18.440 a function of money.

00:45:19.280 No,

00:45:19.440 I don't have a mortgage.

00:45:20.320 I'll admit that.

00:45:21.400 But,

00:45:22.040 you know,

00:45:22.300 I live in a 2,000 square foot house.

00:45:23.860 I don't live in luxury at all.

00:45:25.400 But I live very happily,

00:45:27.120 like very,

00:45:27.540 very happily,

00:45:28.060 my wife and I.

00:45:28.780 And boy,

00:45:29.780 with our many,

00:45:30.500 many dogs

00:45:30.960 and our many,

00:45:31.960 many children.

00:45:32.560 So I,

00:45:33.020 I would,

00:45:33.780 the idea of disrupting that is,

00:45:35.420 I mean,

00:45:35.640 it would,

00:45:36.040 I'd really need to feel like,

00:45:37.100 gosh,

00:45:37.900 you know,

00:45:38.160 I have to do this or something,

00:45:39.580 which,

00:45:40.060 and the idea that I

00:45:41.360 would have to do something,

00:45:42.740 you know,

00:45:42.880 it comes down to me to say,

00:45:44.220 you know,

00:45:44.780 my job is not to save people.

00:45:46.920 I don't imagine

00:45:47.700 that I'm like some superhero.

00:45:49.460 I'm just a hack journalist

00:45:50.760 who somehow endured

00:45:52.480 in this business

00:45:53.160 longer than most people.

00:45:54.540 I'm really grateful

00:45:55.380 for what I have,

00:45:56.320 but I don't think like

00:45:57.560 America needs me.

00:45:59.320 And I don't want to become

00:46:00.660 an egomaniac

00:46:01.900 or a solipsist.

00:46:03.300 And that's what you become

00:46:04.220 when you start thinking that way.

00:46:05.300 So I'm not thinking

00:46:06.220 that way at all.

00:46:07.540 Do you know what I mean?

00:46:08.360 But this is exactly

00:46:09.080 why you need to run.

00:46:09.860 I do.

00:46:10.360 This is exactly

00:46:11.080 why you need to run

00:46:11.860 because everybody who does run

00:46:12.860 tends to be narcissistic

00:46:13.880 and you're not.

00:46:14.500 So it's fine by me

00:46:15.460 if they drag you

00:46:16.120 across the finish line

00:46:16.960 as opposed to you

00:46:18.080 skipping willingly over it.

00:46:19.100 But can I just ask you a question?

00:46:20.180 What I read in the papers.

00:46:21.720 When was the last time

00:46:22.820 you've been around

00:46:23.480 every politician

00:46:24.080 you know them all?

00:46:24.900 When was the last time

00:46:25.780 you were around

00:46:26.360 a big time politician

00:46:27.640 who listened

00:46:28.820 when you talked?

00:46:30.620 Who asked you a question

00:46:32.080 and was sincerely interested

00:46:33.460 in the answer?

00:46:34.300 Who was interested

00:46:34.960 in anybody but himself?

00:46:36.280 I mean,

00:46:36.620 maybe you've met people like that.

00:46:37.900 I've met very, very few.

00:46:39.100 That business corrupts people.

00:46:40.500 Yeah, no one's coming to mind.

00:46:42.440 And you're right.

00:46:43.100 I've met them all

00:46:43.600 and I've seen them all

00:46:44.440 and I've seen them all recently.

00:46:46.080 I mean, you know,

00:46:46.860 as your journalist

00:46:47.620 you don't really

00:46:48.180 it's like the relationship

00:46:49.840 is sort of

00:46:50.320 it's not subservient

00:46:51.320 but it's more like

00:46:52.040 pursuer and pursue.

00:46:53.900 It's transactional.

00:46:54.500 I'm not expecting them

00:46:55.280 to want to know things about me.

00:46:56.840 But yes,

00:46:57.340 no, you're not wrong.

00:46:59.120 I think

00:47:00.000 what I read in the papers

00:47:00.860 is that Melania wants you

00:47:01.960 to be Trump's running mate.

00:47:03.200 So just, you know,

00:47:03.740 you may have the inside.

00:47:04.660 Well, I like her.

00:47:05.240 She's Eastern European

00:47:06.100 so we're on the same page.

00:47:07.520 All right, stand by.

00:47:10.760 I'm going to do another

00:47:11.300 one of the quick breaks.

00:47:12.400 We're going to come back

00:47:13.000 and we're going to talk

00:47:13.520 about the latest poll numbers

00:47:14.300 on Trump

00:47:14.760 among many other things.

00:47:16.320 Do you hear what's happening

00:47:16.980 at Harvard?

00:47:17.740 Now you pen this

00:47:18.940 the head Liz McGill is out

00:47:20.660 and it looks like

00:47:21.340 the head of Harvard

00:47:22.000 may be out soon too

00:47:23.620 unconfirmed

00:47:24.400 but now she's embroiled

00:47:25.860 in an alleged plagiarism scandal

00:47:27.720 in addition to her answers

00:47:28.940 on Israel.

00:47:29.460 We'll get into all of it.

00:47:30.540 So much more to go over

00:47:31.440 as Tucker stays with us.

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00:48:31.480 So can I ask you,

00:48:37.940 Kid Rock was seen

00:48:38.800 drinking a Bud Light

00:48:40.720 at an event recently

00:48:41.980 and we've been told

00:48:43.800 Bud Light's like

00:48:44.520 reaching out to him

00:48:45.780 as person number one

00:48:46.760 to try to win him back over.

00:48:48.360 Did you guys get into

00:48:49.260 Bud Light at all?

00:48:51.000 Yeah, and it's interesting.

00:48:53.580 I mean, I have mixed feelings.

00:48:54.980 I mean, obviously,

00:48:56.640 I don't like big companies

00:48:57.760 in general

00:48:58.320 and I know some of the people

00:49:00.360 who used to own the company

00:49:01.420 and they're great people

00:49:02.280 and they sold it

00:49:03.160 to this foreknown conglomerate,

00:49:05.640 which is obviously run by morons.

00:49:07.600 And so you do want to see

00:49:08.860 companies like that

00:49:09.880 and my list is very long.

00:49:11.640 Like, I could bore you all day

00:49:12.520 with all the companies

00:49:13.140 I would like to see

00:49:13.700 really brought low

00:49:14.420 and punished

00:49:14.920 for what they've done

00:49:15.520 to our society.

00:49:16.700 But you also want to be alive

00:49:18.360 to the possibility

00:49:19.160 that your criticism

00:49:19.960 is improving people,

00:49:21.540 in other words.

00:49:22.620 So I've been, you know,

00:49:24.080 brought low several times

00:49:25.040 in my life

00:49:25.580 and every time

00:49:26.360 it's made me a happier,

00:49:27.560 better, more grounded person.

00:49:29.380 And so maybe that's happening here.

00:49:31.040 I mean, look, I don't know,

00:49:33.120 but I think it's pot.

00:49:34.940 Look, if you spank

00:49:36.740 one of your kids

00:49:37.900 for lying or stealing

00:49:39.920 or committing some moral crime

00:49:41.440 and the kid stops lying

00:49:43.380 or stealing

00:49:43.760 or committing moral crimes,

00:49:44.880 you count that a win, right?

00:49:46.380 You don't keep spanking the kid.

00:49:47.980 You're like,

00:49:48.560 this is my job as a parent.

00:49:49.680 I improved you

00:49:50.400 through punishment.

00:49:51.520 And if that's what's happening

00:49:52.920 with Bud Light,

00:49:53.560 if they've, you know,

00:49:54.580 woken up and realized,

00:49:55.780 like, actually,

00:49:57.320 our consumers

00:49:58.680 don't want to be lectured

00:50:00.000 about their kid's sexuality

00:50:01.320 or whatever.

00:50:02.020 They don't want to, like,

00:50:03.420 repeat lies about science

00:50:06.120 and we're going to stop doing that,

00:50:08.640 then, I don't know,

00:50:09.700 shouldn't we be happy about that?

00:50:11.360 Well, I would accept that

00:50:13.660 if we had had

00:50:14.260 any kind of an apology from them,

00:50:15.940 but we haven't.

00:50:16.500 That's a fair point.

00:50:17.240 The CEO needed to go.

00:50:18.360 So he needed to go out there

00:50:19.920 and say,

00:50:20.480 I hear you.

00:50:21.540 This was some lunatic

00:50:22.620 in the marketing department

00:50:23.760 who completely misread our base,

00:50:25.800 calling them to fratty,

00:50:27.100 partnering with this

00:50:27.780 controversial trans figure,

00:50:29.280 and so on.

00:50:30.200 And I think people

00:50:31.140 would have been quick to forgive,

00:50:32.360 but he hasn't.

00:50:33.700 He hasn't.

00:50:34.160 That's what you're saying

00:50:35.180 is totally fair.

00:50:36.140 I agree with that.

00:50:36.760 So they haven't said

00:50:38.340 anything like that?

00:50:39.180 They just acted

00:50:39.720 like it didn't happen?

00:50:40.940 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:41.880 And this is why

00:50:42.680 you've got Michael Knowles

00:50:44.440 calling them Transheiser Bush.

00:50:46.820 Well, they, I know this.

00:50:48.700 They closed two facilities

00:50:50.400 because of that boycott.

00:50:51.780 That's, I mean,

00:50:52.320 someone who works there

00:50:53.080 told me that.

00:50:54.640 So it had.

00:50:55.580 Well, they're being punished,

00:50:56.340 of course.

00:50:56.840 Oh, they're being punished.

00:50:58.060 The audience is punishing.

00:50:58.400 Then they should just do,

00:50:59.240 why is that so hard?

00:51:00.780 I mean, why is that hard?

00:51:01.960 I know.

00:51:02.200 How many times

00:51:02.820 have you apologized in public?

00:51:04.140 I've seen you do it.

00:51:05.280 I mean, there's,

00:51:05.960 it actually is liberating

00:51:07.440 to do that.

00:51:08.100 Nothing makes you freer

00:51:09.200 than a sincere apology

00:51:11.040 because then it's off you.

00:51:12.620 You're unburdened by it.

00:51:14.100 That's why people are wary

00:51:15.920 that maybe they're not sorry.

00:51:17.380 They're sorry

00:51:18.080 that they got punished,

00:51:19.240 but that maybe

00:51:20.360 they would do it again.

00:51:21.640 And it's like,

00:51:22.520 what I'm feeling,

00:51:23.920 because as you know,

00:51:24.580 I'm very active on this issue,

00:51:25.700 is they're afraid

00:51:27.040 of the vicious trans lobby.

00:51:29.280 Well, I want them

00:51:29.980 to care about me

00:51:31.020 and my area of the world,

00:51:33.760 which is people who believe

00:51:34.960 there are two genders,

00:51:37.000 more than they carry

00:51:38.200 about blowback

00:51:39.000 from the Dylan Mulvaney's

00:51:40.280 of the world.

00:51:40.940 You know,

00:51:41.240 that's what I want to see.

00:51:42.240 It's bad for the country

00:51:43.620 because if you allow lunatics

00:51:46.360 to control your public conversation

00:51:48.140 or your public policy,

00:51:49.340 and we are,

00:51:50.080 we do do that,

00:51:51.340 then you empower the lunatics.

00:51:52.660 If one of your kids says,

00:51:53.700 I want this,

00:51:54.920 no,

00:51:55.760 and then punches you in the face,

00:51:57.720 you can't let that stand.

00:51:59.100 You can't let the kid know

00:52:00.600 that punching you in the face

00:52:01.760 gives him a reward

00:52:02.860 or else he'll keep

00:52:03.440 punching you in the face.

00:52:04.900 And so the trans people,

00:52:07.100 not the trans people,

00:52:07.980 but the trans activists,

00:52:09.060 the professional trans people,

00:52:10.640 and the many rich people

00:52:13.280 who pay their bills,

00:52:14.960 I mean,

00:52:15.240 these are the unhappiest,

00:52:16.760 most destructive people on earth.

00:52:18.100 They hate our civilization

00:52:19.600 and we should not empower them

00:52:22.660 in any way.

00:52:23.620 I'm not saying

00:52:23.880 we should throw them in prison,

00:52:24.760 but we should say,

00:52:25.580 I'm sorry,

00:52:26.460 no,

00:52:27.180 you have no control

00:52:28.180 over our society at all.

00:52:29.120 You're the last person who should

00:52:30.380 because you're so obviously unbalanced.

00:52:32.740 Go over there

00:52:33.500 and go do your trans thing,

00:52:34.480 but leave the rest of us alone.

00:52:35.580 That's my personal view.

00:52:36.580 And so if you let them

00:52:38.380 control a multi-billion dollar company,

00:52:40.700 you're making things much worse.

00:52:42.820 I totally agree with you.

00:52:44.220 Yes.

00:52:45.540 How about Chris Christie's answer

00:52:46.860 to that question

00:52:47.440 I asked him the other night

00:52:48.760 about why he's the only one up there

00:52:50.380 who supports,

00:52:51.540 you know,

00:52:52.280 the possible sterilization

00:52:53.940 and cutting off

00:52:54.720 of healthy body parts

00:52:55.780 on children,

00:52:56.420 on minors.

00:52:57.300 And he said,

00:52:58.020 well,

00:52:58.100 it's a parental rights issue.

00:52:59.100 And he stood by that

00:53:00.260 on the national debate stage.

00:53:01.960 Well,

00:53:02.140 he's just,

00:53:02.740 you know,

00:53:03.000 like so many candidates,

00:53:03.940 but more than most,

00:53:05.520 Chris is just a pure tool

00:53:07.400 of his donors.

00:53:08.300 And it tells you

00:53:09.060 who his donors are.

00:53:10.080 I mean,

00:53:10.420 they're,

00:53:10.840 you know,

00:53:10.980 he's taking money

00:53:11.600 from the worst people,

00:53:12.840 most destructive people

00:53:13.560 in our society.

00:53:14.120 I mean,

00:53:14.200 I knew him in 2010,

00:53:16.080 2011,

00:53:16.620 2012,

00:53:17.120 when he was thinking

00:53:17.400 about running for president.

00:53:18.580 What a talented guy he was.

00:53:20.960 Really talented.

00:53:21.640 He's wildly articulate,

00:53:22.980 as you know,

00:53:23.280 very smart.

00:53:24.480 He's weird,

00:53:25.140 but so were a lot of people,

00:53:26.260 you know?

00:53:26.580 And I like Chris Christie

00:53:27.680 and I thought that he could

00:53:28.520 have made a difference.

00:53:29.140 He at some point made a turn

00:53:31.440 where he's just a mouthpiece

00:53:33.660 for really,

00:53:35.280 really dark interests.

00:53:36.100 And you hate to see a guy do that.

00:53:38.000 Like,

00:53:38.600 how does your wife respect you?

00:53:39.980 How do your kids respect you?

00:53:41.060 How do you sleep?

00:53:41.740 Seriously,

00:53:42.220 how do you sleep?

00:53:42.880 It's not,

00:53:43.380 in other words,

00:53:43.720 it's not just that Chris Christie's wrong

00:53:45.180 or he's like wildly pro child castration.

00:53:48.420 I doubt he is.

00:53:49.740 He's being told to say that.

00:53:51.880 And that's worse,

00:53:53.180 much worse,

00:53:53.880 in my opinion.

00:53:54.560 And the trans,

00:53:57.200 you know,

00:53:57.600 lobby is backed by some very,

00:53:59.780 very powerful money forces.

00:54:01.160 I know that you've talked about this

00:54:02.760 on your show.

00:54:03.380 We've talked about it on ours.

00:54:04.540 Yeah,

00:54:04.760 the Pritzkers,

00:54:05.500 among others,

00:54:06.100 who are like funneling these campaigns

00:54:08.180 and these agendas in schools.

00:54:09.880 That's right.

00:54:10.180 And we just have to stand up

00:54:11.440 because basically we're being told

00:54:12.860 that we can't have our spaces anymore.

00:54:14.880 We can't have our sports anymore

00:54:15.800 by a bunch of biological men

00:54:16.960 who are not well.

00:54:18.080 And women and men too

00:54:20.300 need to stand up against it.

00:54:21.800 And maybe just because I'm middle age,

00:54:23.300 but the first thing I think

00:54:24.220 we're being told

00:54:24.620 we can't have grandchildren.

00:54:25.940 I mean,

00:54:26.220 seriously,

00:54:27.180 which trust me,

00:54:28.240 at some point you want grandchildren.

00:54:30.120 You just,

00:54:30.480 I mean,

00:54:30.660 I'm at that stage.

00:54:31.320 So you're like,

00:54:31.720 it's like,

00:54:32.380 that's the,

00:54:32.920 no,

00:54:33.040 but that's the thing

00:54:33.740 that is encoded in us.

00:54:35.080 You want to see your family

00:54:36.840 continue beyond your death.

00:54:38.360 You want your genes to march on.

00:54:39.940 That's the most basic desire

00:54:41.380 that people have.

00:54:42.380 And the trans thing

00:54:43.620 is a direct threat to that.

00:54:45.800 And I just don't understand

00:54:46.940 why people don't wake up to that.

00:54:47.900 It's like,

00:54:48.280 basically,

00:54:48.940 they're telling you

00:54:50.220 that your family

00:54:50.780 has to commit suicide.

00:54:51.780 That's really what it is.

00:54:53.820 This whole thing,

00:54:54.840 this anti-fertility thing,

00:54:56.140 they're saying to the people

00:54:57.560 at whom it's aimed,

00:54:58.480 go kill yourself.

00:54:59.660 Like,

00:55:00.140 a hundred years from now,

00:55:00.920 there'll be no one

00:55:01.660 who's related to you.

00:55:02.940 And everybody

00:55:04.220 from the beginning of time

00:55:05.240 since we lived in caves

00:55:06.400 has wanted to see

00:55:07.440 his or her family

00:55:08.940 continue past his death.

00:55:10.280 And that's now,

00:55:11.200 I mean,

00:55:11.460 that's in jeopardy

00:55:12.160 for a lot of people.

00:55:12.940 I don't think we get

00:55:13.540 the stakes here at all.

00:55:15.500 And so it's,

00:55:16.900 it's darker just than

00:55:18.380 destroying individual children.

00:55:19.820 That's dark enough.

00:55:20.880 It's destroying

00:55:21.760 an entire society.

00:55:23.480 And we have to,

00:55:24.040 we have to really,

00:55:25.180 I think,

00:55:25.900 push back against that

00:55:26.820 very hard.

00:55:27.660 Let's do,

00:55:28.460 let's do Trump

00:55:29.340 and politics here

00:55:30.060 because there's,

00:55:31.360 there are two polls

00:55:31.940 out today.

00:55:32.360 They're,

00:55:32.740 I mean,

00:55:33.980 I guess they're not shocking,

00:55:35.620 but I don't know.

00:55:37.120 This thing feels

00:55:38.060 very much like it's over.

00:55:39.740 We haven't had the votes yet,

00:55:40.940 so it's not officially over.

00:55:42.660 But Des Moines Register

00:55:44.200 poll comes out.

00:55:45.440 Trump was at 43%

00:55:46.620 in the Iowa October poll

00:55:48.440 for Des Moines Registered.

00:55:49.980 He's now at 50.

00:55:51.520 He's gone up

00:55:52.540 seven percentage points.

00:55:54.820 Next closest is

00:55:55.520 DeSantis at 19.

00:55:57.140 Haley did not get benefited

00:55:58.460 in this poll

00:55:59.060 from the last debate.

00:56:00.280 She's at 16.

00:56:02.140 He's up 50.

00:56:03.700 His next closest challenger

00:56:05.100 is DeSantis at 19.

00:56:07.940 This,

00:56:08.960 as a CNN poll comes out,

00:56:11.240 showing a general election

00:56:12.360 matchup between

00:56:13.000 Trump and Biden

00:56:13.980 in two of the states

00:56:14.800 that Trump lost.

00:56:16.260 Michigan,

00:56:17.000 he lost by 10.

00:56:17.820 I mean,

00:56:18.300 he lost,

00:56:18.740 that's a big margin.

00:56:21.300 Sorry,

00:56:21.800 he's up right now by 10.

00:56:23.100 So,

00:56:23.260 but Michigan,

00:56:23.840 he lost by a healthy margin.

00:56:25.340 And,

00:56:25.980 and now he is up

00:56:27.580 over Biden

00:56:28.320 by 10 percentage points.

00:56:31.080 Georgia,

00:56:31.780 he lost to Biden,

00:56:33.900 though he disputed it.

00:56:35.160 And he's up in Georgia

00:56:37.340 by five percentage points.

00:56:39.480 And then last but not least,

00:56:40.860 there's a Wall Street Journal

00:56:41.700 poll out,

00:56:43.000 Trump v. Biden.

00:56:44.120 Trump's up

00:56:44.680 four percentage points

00:56:45.980 over Biden

00:56:46.500 in this one

00:56:47.120 just released

00:56:47.540 over the weekend.

00:56:48.800 Back in April,

00:56:50.100 Biden had been up

00:56:50.880 three percentage points.

00:56:51.960 So it was a seven point swing

00:56:53.500 in favor of Donald Trump.

00:56:55.520 And I'll give you

00:56:55.900 one more thing.

00:56:56.780 Listen to this.

00:56:58.620 Have Trump's policies

00:56:59.640 helped or hurt you personally?

00:57:01.200 This is in the

00:57:01.680 Wall Street Journal poll.

00:57:03.280 49% say they helped me personally.

00:57:05.820 Just 37% say

00:57:07.040 they hurt me personally.

00:57:08.120 So Trump's above water on that.

00:57:10.200 Have Biden's policies

00:57:11.200 helped to hurt you personally?

00:57:12.240 Helped 23%.

00:57:15.860 Hurt 53%.

00:57:18.260 My God.

00:57:19.560 I mean, that's it.

00:57:20.520 Like, that's...

00:57:21.340 I don't see how Biden

00:57:22.380 overcomes those numbers.

00:57:23.960 I don't think he does.

00:57:25.420 And I think he'll be swapped out.

00:57:26.860 I mean, Joe Biden

00:57:27.460 only exists

00:57:28.680 because he's useful

00:57:29.520 to the Democratic Party

00:57:30.520 in the moment he's not.

00:57:31.780 The Democratic Party,

00:57:32.920 and not just the Democratic Party,

00:57:34.240 but the, you know,

00:57:34.880 the corporate business community,

00:57:37.180 Jamie Dimon,

00:57:38.140 everyone, you know,

00:57:39.360 BlackRock,

00:57:40.140 I mean, sort of everyone

00:57:41.120 with power in our society

00:57:42.620 has decided now

00:57:44.620 for six or seven years

00:57:46.400 that the one thing

00:57:47.400 they can't handle,

00:57:48.080 open borders, wars,

00:57:49.500 inflation, opioid deaths,

00:57:50.880 it's all fine.

00:57:51.820 One thing that's not fine,

00:57:53.180 the thing that's not fine

00:57:54.420 is having Donald Trump

00:57:55.740 become president again.

00:57:57.940 And at the same time,

00:57:58.780 they've been lecturing us

00:57:59.580 for three or four years now

00:58:00.580 about the sacred importance

00:58:02.380 of democracy.

00:58:03.060 We're fighting war

00:58:03.700 in Eastern Europe

00:58:04.260 on its behalf.

00:58:05.940 So you can't square that circle.

00:58:08.020 You can't say

00:58:08.580 we're for democracy,

00:58:09.520 but Trump isn't allowed

00:58:11.180 to be the president

00:58:12.080 if the people want him.

00:58:14.020 So I just think,

00:58:15.180 I mean,

00:58:16.000 we're moving towards something

00:58:17.120 very, very intense

00:58:18.340 because, you know,

00:58:19.540 the people who organize

00:58:20.680 their lives around hating Trump

00:58:22.340 don't represent,

00:58:23.940 you know,

00:58:24.280 maybe more than 20%

00:58:25.760 of the population.

00:58:26.580 Maybe half the country

00:58:27.300 doesn't like him,

00:58:27.960 but only 20% wake up

00:58:29.180 in the middle of the night

00:58:29.680 dreaming about killing him.

00:58:31.060 But that 20%

00:58:32.420 has all the power.

00:58:34.460 So this is a test,

00:58:36.580 literally a test of democracy.

00:58:38.040 If the majority of people

00:58:39.040 want Trump,

00:58:39.640 and as of today,

00:58:40.380 then polls you read,

00:58:41.920 they do,

00:58:43.140 do the people

00:58:43.820 who have all the power

00:58:44.940 stand aside

00:58:46.060 and allow that to happen?

00:58:47.140 And I just don't think

00:58:47.920 they will

00:58:48.340 because I don't think

00:58:48.980 they believe in democracy.

00:58:50.040 I don't think they care

00:58:50.620 about the country.

00:58:51.300 I don't think

00:58:51.620 its systems are meaningful

00:58:52.700 to them.

00:58:53.620 I think they'll do

00:58:54.200 whatever it takes

00:58:54.900 to prevent that

00:58:55.440 from happening.

00:58:56.160 So that's a crisis.

00:58:57.600 We're describing a crisis.

00:58:59.460 Yeah.

00:58:59.560 This is one of the reasons

00:59:01.260 why I said

00:59:01.740 if this Judge Chutkin

00:59:03.520 in D.C.,

00:59:04.760 this federal judge,

00:59:06.360 because we assume

00:59:07.180 Trump's going to get

00:59:07.880 convicted in that case.

00:59:08.920 I mean,

00:59:09.180 the smart bet would be

00:59:10.060 this D.C. jury convicts him

00:59:11.300 because they hate him politically.

00:59:12.400 92% voted for Joe Biden

00:59:13.880 and she hates him.

00:59:16.200 That if they,

00:59:17.300 if she puts him in jail

00:59:18.580 pending appeal

00:59:19.820 before the election,

00:59:22.060 the country's going to burn.

00:59:23.680 And then all this blowback,

00:59:24.740 you know,

00:59:24.840 all these people say,

00:59:25.300 oh my God,

00:59:25.700 she's calling for violence.

00:59:26.640 I'm not calling for violence,

00:59:27.640 but there is no way

00:59:29.640 the Trump base

00:59:31.040 is not going to be

00:59:32.540 beside itself

00:59:33.880 with anger

00:59:34.800 at that level

00:59:36.160 of deprivation

00:59:37.200 of being able

00:59:38.740 to simply vote

00:59:39.860 for the candidate

00:59:41.180 of choice.

00:59:42.200 That's what's being

00:59:43.140 taken away here.

00:59:44.420 Like,

00:59:44.720 to your point.

00:59:45.740 Well,

00:59:45.880 yeah,

00:59:46.240 and,

00:59:46.800 you know,

00:59:46.940 speaking of violence,

00:59:47.780 that's what you're going to get.

00:59:49.160 And speaking

00:59:49.920 as someone

00:59:50.900 who detests violence,

00:59:52.420 and I've seen war,

00:59:53.620 that's why I detest violence,

00:59:54.580 so I spend a lot of

00:59:55.480 my career

00:59:56.920 trying to argue

00:59:57.780 against more wars

00:59:59.040 because I think

00:59:59.680 violence is the worst thing.

01:00:01.540 But,

01:00:02.120 I'm just being honest here,

01:00:03.340 if you leave people

01:00:04.300 no alternative,

01:00:06.300 then what do you think

01:00:07.060 is going to happen?

01:00:07.900 I mean,

01:00:08.020 the whole point

01:00:08.680 of electoral democracy

01:00:10.280 is that it's a pressure

01:00:11.560 relief valve

01:00:12.560 that takes people

01:00:14.540 who are very frustrated

01:00:15.440 with the way things are going

01:00:16.440 and gives them a way

01:00:17.500 to express themselves,

01:00:19.160 have their desires heard,

01:00:20.960 and ultimately

01:00:21.620 their will done

01:00:22.680 to be represented

01:00:23.860 in a peaceful way.

01:00:26.340 And if you take that away,

01:00:27.780 if you haven't staged

01:00:28.740 an unfair election,

01:00:29.840 which 2020 was,

01:00:31.520 you know,

01:00:31.680 if you suppress information

01:00:33.260 that voters need

01:00:33.880 to make an informed decision,

01:00:35.220 you're rigging the election,

01:00:36.100 and they did that.

01:00:37.320 So,

01:00:37.660 if you keep doing that,

01:00:39.460 and people are like,

01:00:40.120 wait,

01:00:40.260 I have no economic power,

01:00:41.440 you've devalued my currency,

01:00:42.660 so it's like $11

01:00:44.060 for a dozen eggs,

01:00:46.500 and my vote

01:00:47.580 doesn't matter anymore,

01:00:49.420 well,

01:00:49.680 then what do I have?

01:00:50.920 Like,

01:00:51.080 what power do I have?

01:00:53.080 And,

01:00:53.800 you know,

01:00:54.880 you're going to get violence

01:00:55.800 if you keep the shit up,

01:00:56.820 and that's just the truth.

01:00:57.840 And I am very upset about that.

01:00:59.600 I don't want that to happen.

01:01:00.780 I think the counterviolence

01:01:01.860 will be much more extreme

01:01:02.840 than the violence,

01:01:04.260 but any rational person

01:01:06.780 can see what's coming.

01:01:08.180 So,

01:01:08.720 they have to stop this.

01:01:09.680 The charges against Trump

01:01:10.420 are not real.

01:01:11.560 They're not even

01:01:12.180 for serious crimes.

01:01:13.320 I was told Trump

01:01:14.020 was like a murderer

01:01:14.800 and had killed a bunch of people

01:01:16.120 in New Jersey or something.

01:01:17.820 He didn't even cheat

01:01:18.620 on his taxes,

01:01:19.800 and they're treating him

01:01:20.680 like a felon

01:01:21.280 at the same time

01:01:22.340 like they protect,

01:01:24.120 you know,

01:01:25.380 Epstein until they have

01:01:26.300 to murder him in his cell.

01:01:27.280 It's like,

01:01:27.600 it's insane,

01:01:28.200 and it's all on public display.

01:01:30.060 Everybody knows what's going on.

01:01:31.680 So,

01:01:32.000 I do think the people in charge,

01:01:34.060 the people who are pulling

01:01:34.780 the strings on Tanya Chutkin

01:01:36.340 or whatever,

01:01:36.940 these ridiculous front people

01:01:39.400 they hire,

01:01:40.580 those people need to

01:01:41.760 really think this through

01:01:42.620 a little bit.

01:01:43.080 You're about to wreck the country.

01:01:44.200 Don't do this, please.

01:01:45.860 Yeah,

01:01:46.240 and yet,

01:01:46.880 day after day,

01:01:48.140 we continue to get

01:01:48.960 more ridiculous think pieces

01:01:50.420 like the one I mentioned

01:01:51.640 at Axios,

01:01:52.560 which is very worried

01:01:53.260 about the white men

01:01:54.140 in Trump's imaginary

01:01:55.660 second cabinet

01:01:56.540 that are sounding

01:01:58.520 the alarm as follows.

01:02:00.380 One of the terrible things

01:02:01.280 we're going to see

01:02:01.700 under a second Trump term,

01:02:03.200 they want to target

01:02:04.460 and jail their critics.

01:02:09.120 Hello?

01:02:09.760 Hundreds of people

01:02:10.360 have gone to jail

01:02:11.160 for criticizing Biden

01:02:12.920 in the last election.

01:02:14.820 Be honest.

01:02:15.220 Not to mention

01:02:15.860 what they're doing

01:02:16.780 to Donald Trump

01:02:17.740 in four different courtrooms,

01:02:19.640 criminal courtrooms,

01:02:20.900 forget the civil,

01:02:21.940 right now.

01:02:23.020 The rest of the list

01:02:23.840 is kind of funny, Tucker.

01:02:24.780 This is what Axios

01:02:25.520 wants us to worry about.

01:02:26.960 They're also threatening

01:02:28.120 in a second Trump administration

01:02:29.240 to deport

01:02:30.560 undocumented immigrants.

01:02:33.860 Hello?

01:02:35.000 To unleash the military,

01:02:36.880 to target drug cartels

01:02:38.220 in Mexico,

01:02:39.180 or possibly crack down

01:02:40.740 on criminals

01:02:41.180 or protesters at home.

01:02:42.460 I laugh.

01:02:42.920 I'm like,

01:02:43.240 are they trying to drive

01:02:44.260 GOP turnout here?

01:02:45.260 Because this is not going

01:02:47.120 to have the effect

01:02:47.680 they intend.

01:02:48.940 You know,

01:02:49.160 you do,

01:02:49.720 I mean,

01:02:50.040 I do think that

01:02:51.200 in five years

01:02:52.020 we won't have outlets

01:02:53.240 like Axios or NBC News.

01:02:55.000 I mean,

01:02:55.120 I do think the whole

01:02:55.920 edifice is crumbling.

01:02:56.900 But in the meantime,

01:02:58.100 you would like to get,

01:02:59.560 say,

01:02:59.720 300 Haitian immigrants

01:03:00.920 and move them by force

01:03:02.060 into the home

01:03:02.540 of that reporter

01:03:03.220 or anybody

01:03:04.100 who doubts the severity

01:03:05.480 of what it means

01:03:06.580 to live in a country

01:03:07.180 with no borders.

01:03:08.280 Like,

01:03:08.480 they're immune

01:03:09.420 from the effects

01:03:10.260 of these insane

01:03:11.280 country-destroying policies,

01:03:12.560 and so they don't care.

01:03:13.900 But it would be nice

01:03:14.680 to sort of make it

01:03:15.400 a little more personal

01:03:16.020 for them.

01:03:16.480 It's like,

01:03:17.140 oh,

01:03:17.300 you care so much

01:03:17.960 about refugees?

01:03:18.840 Here's three dozen.

01:03:19.720 You're now responsible

01:03:20.420 for them.

01:03:20.720 No,

01:03:20.860 they're not getting welfare.

01:03:21.680 You're paying for them.

01:03:22.600 How's that?

01:03:23.280 You educate their kids.

01:03:24.840 You know,

01:03:25.040 you share a bathroom.

01:03:26.280 Like,

01:03:26.520 I just,

01:03:27.120 I'm totally over this.

01:03:28.900 This is the destruction

01:03:29.840 of our country.

01:03:30.440 We're watching it

01:03:30.980 in real time.

01:03:31.560 I was born here.

01:03:32.180 I have no other passport.

01:03:33.220 I'm not going anywhere else.

01:03:34.460 I'm going to have to live

01:03:35.140 with this and so are my children

01:03:36.060 and God willing,

01:03:36.840 my grandchildren.

01:03:37.420 And it's being abetted

01:03:38.760 by the news media.

01:03:40.260 They're not calling the shots,

01:03:41.220 but they're defending them

01:03:42.020 and encouraging them.

01:03:43.400 And I,

01:03:43.720 and I really do hope

01:03:44.780 that they feel the sting

01:03:46.380 of the things

01:03:47.280 they're defending

01:03:47.840 at some point.

01:03:48.560 That it's not just

01:03:49.240 working class whites

01:03:50.560 in Southern Ohio

01:03:51.520 or Vermont

01:03:52.580 who are having to live

01:03:53.500 with this crap.

01:03:54.600 You know what I mean?

01:03:55.160 It really should come

01:03:55.900 to Logan Circle

01:03:56.620 very soon.

01:03:58.020 And this is what

01:03:59.220 leads me to Israel

01:03:59.960 because there was news

01:04:01.940 about some of the positions

01:04:02.980 you took

01:04:03.420 or the people thought

01:04:04.060 you took on Israel.

01:04:05.080 They watched this interview

01:04:06.840 you did with Candace

01:04:07.660 and my take on the,

01:04:09.840 what I heard you say,

01:04:10.860 was saying,

01:04:11.400 I feel very bad

01:04:12.020 for the Israelis,

01:04:12.820 but we also have

01:04:13.780 a lot of problems

01:04:14.240 here at home

01:04:14.740 and I haven't seen

01:04:15.400 this kind of emotionality

01:04:16.420 over it was,

01:04:17.400 and I said this

01:04:18.320 to the audience

01:04:18.880 that I,

01:04:20.060 I feel like you're becoming

01:04:21.120 almost,

01:04:21.860 maybe not quite as much

01:04:22.760 as I am on the trans thing,

01:04:23.680 but almost a single issue voter.

01:04:25.520 You've been jumping

01:04:26.380 up and down

01:04:26.940 trying to set yourself

01:04:27.720 on fire

01:04:28.320 over the southern border

01:04:29.300 for years

01:04:31.020 and it's only getting worse

01:04:32.900 and you're right,

01:04:34.580 no one is shedding a tear

01:04:35.860 over the 100,000 dead

01:04:37.700 from fentanyl

01:04:38.520 other than the immediate

01:04:39.400 family members

01:04:40.160 and, you know,

01:04:40.680 it's only right now

01:04:41.560 that we see an argument

01:04:42.780 over funding in Ukraine

01:04:43.700 happening at the moment

01:04:44.900 that we've seen Republicans

01:04:46.440 even really take

01:04:47.340 a strong stand on it.

01:04:48.940 But what's your take

01:04:49.580 on that whole,

01:04:50.440 you know,

01:04:50.560 people think,

01:04:51.100 oh, is he not

01:04:51.960 on Israel's side?

01:04:52.940 Why is he saying things

01:04:53.800 that don't sound

01:04:54.540 tough on Israel?

01:04:55.360 I mean,

01:04:56.740 it was, yeah,

01:04:57.440 it just kind of had

01:04:59.240 to wait for it to pass.

01:05:00.760 I mean,

01:05:01.100 honestly,

01:05:01.560 I didn't,

01:05:02.580 you know,

01:05:02.720 my gut reaction

01:05:03.660 to what happened

01:05:04.460 on October 7th

01:05:05.760 was horror,

01:05:06.500 you know,

01:05:06.840 people were murdered

01:05:07.800 and particularly

01:05:08.420 for the kids

01:05:09.160 at the music festival.

01:05:10.180 Really?

01:05:10.660 You're at a music festival

01:05:11.380 and someone comes

01:05:11.860 and shoots you?

01:05:12.740 I mean,

01:05:12.900 it's just awful.

01:05:13.440 And I really felt

01:05:16.100 for the families

01:05:16.880 and still do.

01:05:18.920 So I didn't mean

01:05:19.740 to minimize that,

01:05:20.560 obviously,

01:05:21.160 and I said so.

01:05:23.040 But I was just amazed

01:05:24.200 that all this,

01:05:25.840 so there's that,

01:05:26.760 okay?

01:05:27.540 But ultimately,

01:05:28.880 that's a border story.

01:05:29.900 People came into

01:05:30.820 the sovereign territory

01:05:31.680 of Israel

01:05:32.200 and killed Israelis.

01:05:33.340 People came into

01:05:33.980 the sovereign territory

01:05:34.780 of Ukraine

01:05:35.340 and killed Ukrainians.

01:05:36.400 I get it.

01:05:36.940 I'm against both

01:05:37.540 of those things.

01:05:38.260 People are coming

01:05:38.680 to the sovereign territory

01:05:39.420 of our country

01:05:40.020 and killing us

01:05:40.680 and no one says a word.

01:05:42.580 And you sort of wonder why.

01:05:43.920 And in some sense,

01:05:45.000 it's like people

01:05:45.460 are displacing

01:05:46.340 their frustrations

01:05:47.620 about what's happening

01:05:48.320 here onto other countries.

01:05:49.780 So I know

01:05:50.180 really good people,

01:05:51.620 for example,

01:05:52.300 who are like

01:05:53.580 single-issue Ukraine voters.

01:05:55.320 They're Americans.

01:05:55.880 They've never been to Ukraine.

01:05:56.760 They don't speak Ukrainian.

01:05:57.740 They don't even,

01:05:58.160 they're not exactly sure

01:05:58.840 where it is.

01:05:59.760 So I'm not attacking them,

01:06:00.920 but like,

01:06:01.160 what is that?

01:06:02.120 It's because they can't say

01:06:03.420 out loud

01:06:04.120 how they feel

01:06:05.160 about their own country.

01:06:06.400 And so they sort of,

01:06:07.440 again,

01:06:07.660 they displace it

01:06:08.740 onto a foreign tableau

01:06:10.600 and it becomes

01:06:11.200 this sort of morality tale

01:06:12.500 far away

01:06:13.500 and they don't have

01:06:14.060 to understand

01:06:14.600 the nuances at all.

01:06:15.980 And I get all that.

01:06:17.100 I've seen it a lot.

01:06:17.740 I participated in it myself.

01:06:19.880 But I just,

01:06:20.840 my only job,

01:06:21.800 this is how I feel,

01:06:22.900 is just to remind people,

01:06:23.820 yeah, I get it.

01:06:24.520 Everyone has a view on that.

01:06:25.900 You know,

01:06:26.320 I'm not judging anyone

01:06:27.220 and I certainly feel terrible

01:06:28.520 for the families

01:06:29.040 of those who are murdered.

01:06:30.460 But we have a country here too.

01:06:33.260 And I think it's fair

01:06:34.060 to ask our leaders

01:06:34.880 to pay some attention

01:06:35.800 to our country

01:06:36.560 and its borders

01:06:37.320 since we've spent

01:06:37.980 hundreds of billions of dollars

01:06:39.160 defending other people's borders.

01:06:40.620 What about ours?

01:06:41.440 I don't think that's

01:06:42.080 a crazy thing to say.

01:06:43.020 I don't think it's anti-Israel.

01:06:44.480 Like, that's nuts.

01:06:45.920 You know,

01:06:46.480 I don't think I've ever said

01:06:47.660 a single anti-Israel thing

01:06:48.720 in my life.

01:06:49.180 I took my family there

01:06:49.840 on vacation.

01:06:50.460 I'm not even going

01:06:50.900 to defend myself.

01:06:51.600 It's too dumb.

01:06:52.720 It's fair for Americans

01:06:53.880 to ask,

01:06:54.960 what about our country?

01:06:56.160 And that's all I was saying

01:06:57.120 and I'll continue to say that.

01:06:58.140 And I will also say that

01:06:59.100 to people like Ackman,

01:07:00.800 who I think is doing

01:07:01.700 a really good thing,

01:07:03.080 you know,

01:07:03.380 hassling the Ivies

01:07:04.340 over their insane

01:07:05.260 DEI policies.

01:07:07.220 And good for Bill Ackman,

01:07:08.160 whom I know.

01:07:09.080 But I also have to ask,

01:07:10.500 and I tried to do it,

01:07:11.360 maybe not very particularly,

01:07:12.260 it's like,

01:07:12.980 they've been attacking people

01:07:14.180 on the basis of ethnicity

01:07:15.580 for decades.

01:07:16.620 You were funding it.

01:07:17.420 Did you not notice that?

01:07:18.700 So maybe they're-

01:07:19.560 Yeah, where were you

01:07:19.800 when we needed you

01:07:20.460 10 years ago?

01:07:21.360 Honestly,

01:07:21.980 I'm totally opposed

01:07:23.020 to attacking anybody

01:07:24.560 on the basis

01:07:25.080 of any immutable characteristic.

01:07:26.560 You'll never hear me do it

01:07:27.540 in public or private.

01:07:29.280 And you were paying

01:07:31.440 for this shit.

01:07:32.580 And so it's,

01:07:33.260 I understand.

01:07:34.000 And by the way,

01:07:34.320 I'm on your side

01:07:35.000 and I like what Ackman's doing.

01:07:36.240 I'm not attacking Ackman,

01:07:37.200 but I do think it's fair

01:07:38.120 to ask like,

01:07:39.640 okay,

01:07:40.180 these are universal principles.

01:07:41.720 They apply not just to people

01:07:42.920 you have affection for,

01:07:44.140 but to my children too.

01:07:45.440 They apply to all human beings,

01:07:46.940 all created by God.

01:07:48.120 But they only apply

01:07:49.540 to groups that you support?

01:07:51.320 Like how did that,

01:07:51.860 no,

01:07:52.240 that's not how it works

01:07:53.120 here in this country.

01:07:54.120 Let me just remind you,

01:07:55.360 this country was built

01:07:56.200 on universal principles

01:07:57.340 that apply to all people,

01:07:59.160 all people,

01:08:00.040 all created by God.

01:08:01.360 So it's not fair

01:08:02.540 to like be like,

01:08:03.400 well,

01:08:03.460 you can't hassle that group.

01:08:04.560 No,

01:08:04.660 no,

01:08:04.700 you can't hassle any group.

01:08:06.100 The same rules apply

01:08:07.260 to every group.

01:08:08.940 That's why this is

01:08:09.620 a different country.

01:08:11.200 And they don't seem,

01:08:12.120 if you say that out loud,

01:08:13.420 you're like,

01:08:13.760 how dare you?

01:08:15.540 No,

01:08:16.100 I dare say that

01:08:17.160 because I'm an American.

01:08:18.540 My ancestors have been here

01:08:19.440 for hundreds of years.

01:08:20.460 This is the country

01:08:20.960 that we built,

01:08:21.920 a country of universal principles.

01:08:23.260 We haven't always lived up to them,

01:08:24.540 but we certainly tried.

01:08:26.120 And that attitude

01:08:27.520 is destroying the principles

01:08:29.140 of the country

01:08:29.780 that I grew up in.

01:08:30.580 And I just,

01:08:31.200 I'm just not going to sit silent

01:08:32.360 as it happens.

01:08:33.120 Sorry.

01:08:34.360 That's what was so offensive

01:08:35.320 about those university presidents

01:08:36.560 trying to lie to us

01:08:37.600 and tell us that they stand

01:08:38.440 for free speech

01:08:39.100 and always have.

01:08:40.400 And they're just following through

01:08:42.080 with a long standing policy

01:08:43.720 and not cracking down

01:08:45.160 on these,

01:08:45.760 you know,

01:08:46.400 Students for Justice

01:08:47.100 and Palestine protesters.

01:08:48.400 We all knew it was a lie.

01:08:49.760 Those of us who've been

01:08:50.360 paying any attention

01:08:51.060 to the news

01:08:51.400 for the past 10,

01:08:52.100 15 years

01:08:52.620 know it's a lie.

01:08:53.540 They couldn't care less

01:08:54.560 about free speech

01:08:55.280 if you're ripping

01:08:56.160 on white people,

01:08:57.120 if you're ripping on men,

01:08:58.700 if you're ripping

01:08:59.120 on any group

01:08:59.820 other than their faves,

01:09:01.220 right?

01:09:01.480 Any other than their faves.

01:09:03.060 And so that's the,

01:09:03.940 that's the absurdity.

01:09:04.580 That's why I love to see

01:09:05.620 Miguel go down at UPenn.

01:09:07.700 I'm thrilled she's gone.

01:09:08.780 I think Claudine Gay

01:09:09.800 is going to go

01:09:10.380 because she's on the hot seat too.

01:09:11.700 And now there's

01:09:12.040 a plagiarism scandal

01:09:12.940 outlined by Chris.

01:09:13.760 Very brilliant.

01:09:15.260 Big scholar,

01:09:16.000 never written a book.

01:09:17.560 Don't you love that

01:09:18.320 she stole from Carol Swain too?

01:09:19.940 Everybody loves Carol Swain,

01:09:21.360 including Claudine Gay.

01:09:23.440 But it's,

01:09:23.880 what's crazy is that like,

01:09:25.280 I'm a like middle brow

01:09:26.840 talk show host

01:09:27.860 and I've written a number

01:09:28.820 of books

01:09:29.100 and I wrote them myself.

01:09:30.760 And like,

01:09:31.080 that's like a,

01:09:31.600 that's like a basic

01:09:32.680 prerequisite.

01:09:33.660 And she's a scholar

01:09:35.380 running the most prestigious

01:09:36.480 research university

01:09:37.540 in the world.

01:09:37.880 And she's literally

01:09:38.620 never written a single book.

01:09:40.640 How does she get that job?

01:09:41.840 Maybe we should just

01:09:42.800 begin to put

01:09:43.320 universal standards.

01:09:44.880 And if you're not allowed

01:09:45.520 to hassle people

01:09:46.620 for their religion

01:09:47.240 or ethnicity,

01:09:47.940 you're not allowed

01:09:48.320 to hassle anybody

01:09:49.420 for his or her

01:09:50.520 religion or ethnicity.

01:09:51.900 Try to be an

01:09:52.440 evangelical Christian

01:09:53.420 leading a march

01:09:54.860 for traditional marriage.

01:09:56.560 Try to be,

01:09:57.120 and I'll say something

01:09:57.740 unpopular,

01:09:58.400 try to be a Scientologist

01:10:00.000 leading a march

01:10:01.320 against psychiatric medication,

01:10:03.400 which is what

01:10:03.760 Scientologists believe.

01:10:05.180 That's a totally

01:10:05.720 fair position.

01:10:06.360 I may or may not agree.

01:10:07.120 It doesn't matter.

01:10:08.060 They have a right

01:10:08.640 to have that view.

01:10:09.680 They'd be shut down

01:10:10.880 in a second

01:10:11.860 and no one would defend

01:10:13.080 either one of those.

01:10:14.580 So I'm just sick of it.

01:10:16.180 I'm sick of it.

01:10:16.840 And the idea of like,

01:10:17.540 whoa, whoa,

01:10:18.120 we need special protection.

01:10:19.340 No, no special protections

01:10:20.640 for anybody.

01:10:21.780 If you're an American citizen,

01:10:23.400 same protections

01:10:24.120 that every other

01:10:25.280 American citizen has.

01:10:26.580 And that's why

01:10:27.220 this is a great country.

01:10:28.020 It's the only reason

01:10:28.900 it's a great country,

01:10:29.580 actually.

01:10:30.080 It's the only reason.

01:10:31.100 You take that away

01:10:31.900 and we're done.

01:10:33.640 But here's the annoying thing.

01:10:35.020 So Claudine Gay,

01:10:35.880 let's say she goes from Harvard

01:10:36.980 and McGill's gone from Penn

01:10:39.100 and maybe we'll get

01:10:40.100 the Stanford person

01:10:40.940 and maybe we'll get

01:10:41.680 some other university.

01:10:42.620 We'll see.

01:10:45.560 Like it's to your point,

01:10:46.900 it's so baked in

01:10:48.680 this DEI programming

01:10:50.420 at these universities

01:10:51.180 at every level

01:10:52.280 up and down the faculty.

01:10:53.280 They're all leftists

01:10:54.280 who love this ideology.

01:10:55.500 Like, does it do anything?

01:10:57.060 Are they going to replace them

01:10:58.100 with a Tucker Carlson?

01:10:59.020 I don't think so.

01:11:00.380 So what good does it do,

01:11:01.760 if any?

01:11:03.060 I mean, look,

01:11:04.180 until you address

01:11:05.280 the core problem,

01:11:06.660 which is a perversion

01:11:07.680 of the principles

01:11:08.440 that made Harvard

01:11:09.120 a famous and great place,

01:11:10.700 free inquiry,

01:11:11.560 honesty,

01:11:12.680 rigor,

01:11:13.560 intelligence,

01:11:14.360 you couldn't get into Harvard

01:11:15.440 even, you know,

01:11:16.580 even four generations ago,

01:11:18.380 right?

01:11:18.840 But a totally different country.

01:11:20.100 You still couldn't get into Harvard

01:11:20.920 unless you were really smart.

01:11:21.880 If you were in the Andover class

01:11:23.760 of 1960,

01:11:24.880 where, you know,

01:11:25.540 the whole class went to Ivy Leagues,

01:11:26.800 you still didn't go to Harvard

01:11:27.760 unless you were in the top quarter

01:11:29.540 for IQ in your class

01:11:30.560 because it's for smart people.

01:11:31.460 That's what it is.

01:11:32.500 And so they've totally

01:11:33.640 thrown that away.

01:11:34.720 So it's like,

01:11:35.120 what's the point of having Harvard?

01:11:36.320 Well, because they have

01:11:37.480 massive funding

01:11:38.620 from gullible alumni,

01:11:40.460 from Jeffrey Epstein

01:11:41.400 and from the U.S. government,

01:11:43.160 but they don't really

01:11:43.680 have anything else.

01:11:44.480 So if you want to fix it,

01:11:45.680 you need to say,

01:11:46.340 here are the principles.

01:11:47.960 Honesty,

01:11:48.980 scholarship,

01:11:50.860 free inquiry,

01:11:52.440 period.

01:11:52.920 We're going to follow this

01:11:54.060 to its logical conclusion.

01:11:55.460 If you disagree,

01:11:56.000 you're allowed to say so.

01:11:56.840 When you take those things away,

01:11:58.100 it's not really a university,

01:11:59.740 actually.

01:12:00.280 It hasn't been for a long time.

01:12:02.040 It's a hedge fund

01:12:02.900 with buildings attached.

01:12:04.500 The whole thing is fake.

01:12:06.060 So you can't,

01:12:06.720 it doesn't matter

01:12:07.200 the personnel are even irrelevant.

01:12:08.560 What's relevant

01:12:09.260 is fealty

01:12:10.480 to the principles

01:12:11.260 that made it

01:12:11.900 an impressive place

01:12:12.860 in the first place.

01:12:13.780 And that's true,

01:12:14.420 by the way,

01:12:14.680 for every institution.

01:12:15.560 That's true

01:12:15.940 for American Airlines.

01:12:17.240 Why would you fly

01:12:17.820 in their planes

01:12:18.340 if they're letting people

01:12:19.140 become pilots

01:12:19.800 who can't really fly

01:12:20.720 or changing the standard

01:12:21.820 for air traffic controllers?

01:12:23.120 Why would you live

01:12:23.880 in this country

01:12:24.400 if the justice system

01:12:25.260 doesn't work?

01:12:26.560 I'd rather live in Italy.

01:12:28.320 They've had a bad justice system

01:12:29.580 for 2,000 years,

01:12:30.680 but at least I know it.

01:12:32.040 Do you know,

01:12:32.280 at least they have,

01:12:32.840 they have good barata.

01:12:34.200 Like,

01:12:34.560 we're,

01:12:34.860 we're wrecking

01:12:35.720 the only things

01:12:36.840 that make this

01:12:37.440 a good country.

01:12:38.340 And those are

01:12:38.940 the universal principles.

01:12:40.800 Not our military,

01:12:41.700 everyone,

01:12:42.340 the right fetishizes

01:12:43.360 the military.

01:12:43.940 Oh,

01:12:44.060 the military.

01:12:44.980 Military can be good.

01:12:46.080 It can also be a force

01:12:46.880 for evil.

01:12:47.620 I think it is one now.

01:12:49.680 It's good to the extent

01:12:51.180 that it represents

01:12:52.420 the American ideals.

01:12:54.080 It's just an instrument.

01:12:55.000 It's just a tool.

01:12:55.880 But the ideals

01:12:56.800 give it the direction.

01:12:58.300 And we're giving those up.

01:12:59.700 And nobody is saying

01:13:00.660 anything about it.

01:13:01.320 And I hear all these people

01:13:02.020 on the right like,

01:13:03.240 well,

01:13:03.480 we need to protect

01:13:04.420 this or that group.

01:13:05.720 No,

01:13:05.860 no,

01:13:05.960 no.

01:13:06.440 We need to protect

01:13:07.100 the country

01:13:07.640 by protecting all Americans.

01:13:09.620 That's the answer.

01:13:10.240 And just to be clear,

01:13:11.560 when you say you think

01:13:12.100 the military is a force

01:13:12.820 for evil right now,

01:13:13.600 you don't mean the rank

01:13:14.320 and file.

01:13:14.820 You mean the leadership.

01:13:15.920 Needless to say,

01:13:16.480 I don't.

01:13:17.060 And the military

01:13:17.800 is the saddest of all examples

01:13:19.040 because the military

01:13:20.340 is the best people

01:13:22.340 in the world

01:13:22.980 led by some of the worst

01:13:24.100 people in the world.

01:13:25.060 And I was with an NCO,

01:13:27.720 a ranking NCO

01:13:28.400 this weekend

01:13:28.960 at a wedding

01:13:29.500 who was telling me

01:13:30.560 that it just makes you so sad.

01:13:31.800 I mean,

01:13:31.960 these are people

01:13:32.360 who are literally

01:13:32.920 risking their lives

01:13:33.860 for the country

01:13:34.880 and they're led

01:13:36.040 by low IQ politicians

01:13:37.520 at the Pentagon.

01:13:38.080 It's so upsetting.

01:13:40.220 It's so,

01:13:40.860 so upsetting.

01:13:41.800 No,

01:13:42.140 I'm merely saying

01:13:43.220 the military,

01:13:44.740 like any institution,

01:13:46.700 is as good

01:13:47.900 as its principles.

01:13:50.240 And that's

01:13:52.000 kind of the whole story.

01:13:53.560 I mean,

01:13:53.980 you have a military

01:13:54.820 that dies with guns

01:13:55.620 and what is it doing

01:13:57.440 with those guns?

01:13:58.240 Is it upholding

01:13:59.140 American values

01:14:00.000 or is it not?

01:14:00.800 Or is it an instrument

01:14:01.560 of politicians

01:14:02.160 to accrue more power

01:14:03.600 and wealth

01:14:04.060 or live out some

01:14:05.500 bizarre Freudian fantasy

01:14:06.920 they have or whatever?

01:14:08.180 Or is it what it was

01:14:09.260 when I was a child,

01:14:10.440 which is pretty much

01:14:11.340 what you thought?

01:14:13.020 You know,

01:14:13.280 it's the organization

01:14:14.380 that defends our shores

01:14:15.300 from foreign invaders.

01:14:16.200 Like,

01:14:16.300 that's worth having.

01:14:17.660 Having a military

01:14:18.420 that,

01:14:18.660 you know,

01:14:18.940 We were looking up,

01:14:19.560 yeah,

01:14:20.820 I was going to say,

01:14:21.260 we were looking up reasons

01:14:22.080 for, you know,

01:14:22.880 low military enrollment

01:14:23.980 in advance of that debate.

01:14:25.440 And the top two,

01:14:26.800 you can understand,

01:14:27.640 and they've been there

01:14:28.340 for a long time,

01:14:28.920 but I guarantee you

01:14:29.820 they're higher right now

01:14:30.380 for a certain reason.

01:14:31.340 The top two reasons

01:14:32.040 people don't want to sign up

01:14:32.860 are death,

01:14:33.580 fear of death,

01:14:34.400 and fear of trauma.

01:14:36.160 I get it.

01:14:37.340 And then you can

01:14:37.980 go down the list.

01:14:38.980 But to me,

01:14:40.300 those two numbers

01:14:41.200 are even more relevant

01:14:42.740 right now

01:14:43.220 under a president

01:14:43.840 who presided over

01:14:45.620 this disastrous withdrawal

01:14:46.580 from Afghanistan,

01:14:47.720 who got another

01:14:48.180 13 service personnel killed,

01:14:50.000 who then bragged

01:14:50.960 about the withdrawal

01:14:51.780 like it was perfect.

01:14:52.660 I actually,

01:14:53.280 trying to tell us

01:14:53.780 that it was absolutely stellar,

01:14:54.660 it was outstanding,

01:14:55.300 he has no regrets,

01:14:56.520 that why would you go

01:14:57.340 sign up and fight

01:14:57.920 for that guy's military

01:14:58.660 and then get there

01:14:59.360 and be berated over race

01:15:00.680 and gender

01:15:01.260 and, you know,

01:15:02.080 the woman next to you

01:15:03.220 is there because

01:15:03.800 her mothers are both lesbians

01:15:05.440 and not because she actually,

01:15:06.720 like,

01:15:07.120 none of that makes sense

01:15:08.020 and I realize wokeism

01:15:08.840 is down on the list,

01:15:09.580 I read that too,

01:15:10.820 but my take on it

01:15:12.220 is similar to yours,

01:15:13.280 which is if we have

01:15:14.220 better leaders in the air,

01:15:15.020 people for whom

01:15:15.500 they want to fight,

01:15:16.260 people who they would trust,

01:15:17.680 I think enrollment

01:15:18.460 would be less of a problem.

01:15:20.600 Well, of course,

01:15:21.340 and the first answer

01:15:21.980 tells you everything,

01:15:22.820 they're afraid to die.

01:15:23.820 Well, actually,

01:15:25.720 and their, you know,

01:15:26.340 history is the story of this,

01:15:28.080 people are absolutely happy

01:15:29.200 to die on behalf

01:15:30.420 of things that are worth

01:15:31.220 dying for.

01:15:32.340 Death is not the scariest thing,

01:15:33.620 it's not even close

01:15:34.460 to the scariest thing.

01:15:35.840 Slavery is the scariest thing,

01:15:37.080 living in perpetual humiliation

01:15:38.440 when you're not fully human,

01:15:39.480 that's the scariest thing.

01:15:40.740 But if you give people

01:15:41.880 the opportunity

01:15:43.440 to die for,

01:15:44.860 say, their children

01:15:45.640 or their grandchildren

01:15:46.560 or their nation

01:15:47.400 to which they're

01:15:48.080 legitimately connected,

01:15:49.220 they will happily do it

01:15:50.100 and they have since

01:15:50.720 the beginning of history.

01:15:52.040 And so people who are,

01:15:53.500 who think they're doing

01:15:54.200 the right thing,

01:15:54.800 who think that they are

01:15:55.520 defending a principle

01:15:56.480 are not afraid to die.

01:15:57.720 I'm not afraid to die.

01:15:58.960 I don't want to,

01:15:59.820 but I'm not certainly

01:16:00.440 not worried about it at all

01:16:01.820 because I think it's worth

01:16:03.540 saying what you think

01:16:04.620 and if that gets you

01:16:06.480 taken out, okay,

01:16:07.440 but it doesn't make it

01:16:08.060 any less worth it.

01:16:09.280 And so the point is

01:16:10.940 that the military

01:16:11.780 is not being used

01:16:13.240 for noble ends.

01:16:15.220 If the military were being used

01:16:16.240 to defend our nation,

01:16:17.580 if it were keeping

01:16:18.240 the drug cartels

01:16:19.120 out of Texas

01:16:19.800 and saving people

01:16:20.560 from dying of drug ODs,

01:16:22.780 I don't think people

01:16:23.620 would be afraid to die for that.

01:16:24.660 I certainly wouldn't

01:16:25.660 and a lot of people wouldn't.

01:16:26.880 You would have no

01:16:27.560 enlistment problems,

01:16:28.360 but if they're telling us

01:16:29.260 we're going to go defend

01:16:30.520 the sacred democracy

01:16:31.760 of Ukraine,

01:16:32.320 which doesn't even

01:16:32.780 have elections,

01:16:33.800 are you joking?

01:16:35.580 I mean,

01:16:35.820 it's not a democracy.

01:16:36.760 It's not sacred.

01:16:37.560 This is a total scam.

01:16:38.520 Everyone knows it

01:16:39.140 and I'm not going

01:16:39.640 to die for that

01:16:40.180 and I'm not going

01:16:40.580 to encourage my son

01:16:41.380 or daughter to die for that.

01:16:42.860 And that's what

01:16:43.260 you're seeing right there

01:16:44.120 is that it's being misused.

01:16:46.220 A great thing

01:16:47.160 is being misused

01:16:47.940 and there's nothing

01:16:48.440 uglier than that.

01:16:49.760 Misusing something great.

01:16:52.160 I mean,

01:16:52.480 it's like destroying

01:16:54.700 your Ferrari

01:16:55.440 parallel parking.

01:16:56.400 It's like,

01:16:57.020 no.

01:16:58.200 You know what I mean?

01:16:59.260 It's a desecration,

01:17:01.180 I think.

01:17:02.780 What about Ukraine?

01:17:03.960 Because the news today

01:17:04.800 is Zelensky

01:17:05.960 is going to be

01:17:06.820 at the White House

01:17:07.300 tomorrow,

01:17:08.060 Tuesday.

01:17:09.240 His visit will quote,

01:17:10.420 underscore the United States'

01:17:11.620 unshakable commitment

01:17:12.660 to supporting

01:17:13.160 the people of Ukraine

01:17:14.100 as they defend themselves

01:17:15.700 against Russia's

01:17:16.600 brutal invasion.

01:17:18.260 That is from

01:17:19.380 world spokesperson

01:17:20.900 KJP,

01:17:22.000 Karine Jean-Pierre.

01:17:22.720 I will miss her

01:17:23.500 if Biden loses.

01:17:24.300 If he loses,

01:17:25.240 let's not lie.

01:17:26.420 She's the best thing

01:17:27.060 that ever happened

01:17:27.480 to the Biden administration

01:17:28.160 or to us.

01:17:29.200 In any event,

01:17:30.700 right now,

01:17:31.360 the Republicans

01:17:31.760 are finally trying

01:17:33.320 to withhold funding

01:17:34.860 on this remaining

01:17:35.960 $60 billion.

01:17:36.880 We've already spent

01:17:37.640 tens of billions

01:17:38.360 of dollars on them,

01:17:39.940 but they're trying

01:17:40.840 to hold the line

01:17:41.420 on this last $60

01:17:42.200 saying,

01:17:43.220 do something

01:17:44.220 resembling anything

01:17:45.580 at the southern border.

01:17:47.320 As I read their proposals,

01:17:48.560 I'm going to be honest,

01:17:49.300 I'm not that impressed

01:17:50.360 by what they're trying

01:17:51.420 to hijack this negotiation over,

01:17:53.220 but at least they're trying.

01:17:54.140 The one that made sense,

01:17:55.260 which Trump had in place

01:17:56.200 out of the list,

01:17:57.320 was you can't seek asylum

01:17:58.900 in the United States

01:17:59.640 if you already pass

01:18:00.360 through Mexico

01:18:00.900 to come to us.

01:18:02.720 If you're really fleeing

01:18:03.860 war and death,

01:18:05.720 Mexico's good enough.

01:18:06.940 You stop there.

01:18:07.720 You don't keep going

01:18:08.520 up to the United States.

01:18:09.800 Trump had that in place,

01:18:10.880 and that's one of the things.

01:18:11.860 But what do you make

01:18:12.340 of what they're doing

01:18:13.360 right now in the Republican Senate?

01:18:14.720 I mean,

01:18:14.920 I think it's a joke.

01:18:16.180 I mean,

01:18:16.360 again,

01:18:16.620 it needs to start

01:18:17.300 with the principle

01:18:18.020 that not one more dollar,

01:18:20.140 not simply for Ukraine,

01:18:21.040 but for any country

01:18:22.500 on the globe

01:18:23.540 to secure its border

01:18:24.780 or for anything related

01:18:26.080 to border security

01:18:27.000 until we know

01:18:28.460 the name identity

01:18:29.480 of every single person

01:18:30.520 that comes over

01:18:31.040 and we've asked them to come.

01:18:32.420 And there's a process.

01:18:33.320 No more,

01:18:33.680 not a single more

01:18:34.420 asylum seeker

01:18:35.080 in this country.

01:18:36.200 They've done an end run

01:18:37.200 around the federal law

01:18:38.100 by calling everyone

01:18:38.940 an asylum seeker.

01:18:40.040 And we've imported

01:18:41.080 tens of millions

01:18:42.000 of young men

01:18:43.140 without jobs,

01:18:44.920 in many cases

01:18:45.460 without the English language,

01:18:46.360 no means of support

01:18:47.120 into our country

01:18:47.860 and they will never leave.

01:18:48.840 And so what we now know

01:18:50.400 is that this country

01:18:51.220 will be completely different

01:18:52.220 in 10 years

01:18:53.560 and 30 years from now

01:18:54.680 will be unrecognizable.

01:18:56.140 This is all happening

01:18:57.180 with the acquiescence

01:18:58.520 of Republican leaders

01:18:59.880 in Washington

01:19:01.540 that control

01:19:02.480 the House of Representatives.

01:19:04.100 And I think the shame

01:19:05.360 that Mike Johnson

01:19:07.260 should feel

01:19:07.920 allowing any of this,

01:19:09.660 he immediately,

01:19:10.260 when he became,

01:19:11.040 and he's a very nice man,

01:19:11.900 I'm not attacking him personally,

01:19:13.060 but what he's done

01:19:13.580 is shameful

01:19:14.040 and he should be ashamed

01:19:15.040 of himself

01:19:15.920 and what he's done

01:19:16.500 to the country

01:19:17.080 that I was born in.

01:19:18.780 The first thing,

01:19:19.680 he said,

01:19:19.860 we're going to send more money

01:19:20.660 to foreign countries.

01:19:21.360 That was his first priority.

01:19:23.220 Send more money

01:19:24.020 to foreign countries

01:19:25.000 to secure their borders.

01:19:27.060 I think,

01:19:28.060 you know,

01:19:28.980 saying,

01:19:29.380 even thinking a thought

01:19:30.480 like that

01:19:30.900 disqualifies you

01:19:31.740 from leadership

01:19:32.220 in the United States

01:19:32.920 immediately.

01:19:34.000 And of course,

01:19:34.400 Republicans are just

01:19:35.220 such good little soldiers

01:19:36.240 like,

01:19:36.600 oh, well,

01:19:36.900 maybe he's okay.

01:19:38.300 It's not okay.

01:19:39.300 It's,

01:19:39.540 please leave the job

01:19:40.600 and put someone in there

01:19:41.580 who cares about the United States

01:19:42.660 and then we can have

01:19:43.620 a rational conversation

01:19:44.540 about this.

01:19:45.140 But not one more dollar.

01:19:47.120 And the last thing,

01:19:48.040 I mean,

01:19:48.180 I could talk for hours,

01:19:48.880 but just last sentence,

01:19:50.380 that war has hurt this country

01:19:52.220 in ways that most Americans

01:19:54.380 have no full appreciation of.

01:19:57.260 The international banking system

01:20:00.140 changed forever.

01:20:01.780 And what that war did

01:20:02.900 is create a massive block

01:20:05.420 against us internationally

01:20:06.760 with the largest countries

01:20:07.820 in the world

01:20:08.300 with their own financial systems

01:20:09.700 who are keen

01:20:10.880 to get away

01:20:11.600 from the U.S. dollar.

01:20:12.420 So we just screwed ourselves

01:20:14.420 in ways that our grandchildren

01:20:15.720 are going to have to deal with.

01:20:17.540 And, you know,

01:20:18.100 I don't know why Mike Johnson

01:20:19.260 and all the other geniuses

01:20:20.300 in the Republican Party

01:20:21.020 don't get that.

01:20:21.700 Maybe they can't read,

01:20:22.800 but it's very obvious

01:20:23.840 to anyone who pays attention.

01:20:25.220 And so I'm really shocked

01:20:26.520 by the response

01:20:27.300 from Republicans.

01:20:28.580 What you hear over and over

01:20:30.060 from Nikki Haley

01:20:31.000 and others defending the,

01:20:32.140 you know,

01:20:32.400 the funding of what's happening

01:20:33.620 in Ukraine

01:20:34.020 is if we don't,

01:20:36.740 then Putin's going to expand.

01:20:39.160 He's going to hit the Baltics.

01:20:40.160 He's going to hit Georgia.

01:20:40.840 He's going to hit a NATO state

01:20:42.060 that we then have

01:20:43.800 to go in and defend.

01:20:46.120 The whole,

01:20:46.380 but NATO is so,

01:20:47.120 it's,

01:20:47.320 okay.

01:20:50.020 I would say,

01:20:50.860 just in one sentence,

01:20:51.980 sum up the purpose of NATO

01:20:52.980 post-Soviet Union.

01:20:54.460 And of course,

01:20:55.100 nobody can.

01:20:56.460 NATO is a,

01:20:57.840 is a standing army

01:20:59.140 without a purpose.

01:21:00.200 Okay.

01:21:00.580 It was created

01:21:01.460 at the end of the Second World War,

01:21:03.140 46 or 47,

01:21:04.820 46, I think,

01:21:06.240 to keep the Soviets in place.

01:21:08.180 Like, no,

01:21:08.760 you can't roll across the border

01:21:10.320 into West Germany

01:21:11.060 and Poland.

01:21:12.500 Well,

01:21:12.840 they of course had Poland,

01:21:13.880 but

01:21:14.020 that threat

01:21:17.440 ended

01:21:18.000 in August of 1991.

01:21:20.640 And so,

01:21:21.800 okay,

01:21:22.360 worst case scenario,

01:21:23.520 Putin takes Belarus

01:21:24.780 or exerts more influence

01:21:27.300 in Georgia.

01:21:28.840 Okay.

01:21:30.080 I mean,

01:21:30.480 why should I care exactly?

01:21:33.040 Is there a good reason

01:21:33.800 that I should care?

01:21:35.020 I mean,

01:21:35.300 large countries exert,

01:21:37.100 I mean,

01:21:37.340 I don't know.

01:21:38.220 Am I supposed to be,

01:21:38.740 I guess I hope he doesn't.

01:21:40.320 If the Georgians

01:21:41.100 and the bellow Russians

01:21:41.880 don't want him to,

01:21:42.900 but is that a good reason

01:21:44.280 to send my kid to go die?

01:21:45.440 It's not.

01:21:46.480 And so,

01:21:46.780 like,

01:21:47.000 just tell me,

01:21:47.760 why should that keep me up

01:21:49.120 at night exactly?

01:21:50.000 Because then,

01:21:50.660 what next?

01:21:51.740 He's going to move into Poland.

01:21:53.340 Or,

01:21:53.880 no,

01:21:54.000 he's not going to move into Poland.

01:21:55.340 They can't afford it?

01:21:56.240 This whole conversation

01:21:56.980 is so stupid

01:21:57.800 and nobody in D.C.

01:21:59.360 can kind of,

01:21:59.840 like,

01:22:00.000 rise above it

01:22:01.020 long enough

01:22:01.940 to see its outlines

01:22:03.040 and just how,

01:22:04.000 it's a joke.

01:22:05.000 And historians

01:22:05.740 will rate this

01:22:06.700 as one of the dumbest

01:22:07.860 conversations adults

01:22:08.960 have ever had

01:22:09.480 with one another

01:22:10.060 in public.

01:22:11.560 Putin.

01:22:12.180 Not this conversation

01:22:13.380 that you and I are having.

01:22:14.760 No,

01:22:14.960 no,

01:22:14.980 the one that's ongoing

01:22:16.180 in Washington.

01:22:17.300 And Nikki Haley

01:22:18.080 will sort of arch her eyebrow

01:22:19.240 and be like,

01:22:19.920 well,

01:22:20.240 he could take Belarus.

01:22:22.100 Okay.

01:22:23.320 You know,

01:22:23.660 good luck to the Belarusians.

01:22:25.520 I hope he doesn't.

01:22:26.580 I guess.

01:22:27.120 Maybe they want him.

01:22:28.220 They probably do,

01:22:28.960 actually,

01:22:29.280 but whatever.

01:22:30.140 You know,

01:22:30.340 I believe in sovereign countries,

01:22:31.660 but why is that something

01:22:33.000 that I should,

01:22:33.900 I'm an American citizen,

01:22:35.500 okay?

01:22:36.160 My country is falling apart.

01:22:38.700 Why should I stay up late

01:22:39.920 worrying about this?

01:22:41.460 I don't understand.

01:22:42.560 I'm staying up literally late

01:22:44.120 worried about El Paso.

01:22:45.900 That's a legit concern

01:22:47.240 for me as an American.

01:22:48.600 Nikki Haley doesn't care

01:22:49.300 at all about El Paso.

01:22:50.480 Why is that?

01:22:51.720 I mean,

01:22:51.940 that's a fair,

01:22:52.540 that's,

01:22:52.900 next time I see her,

01:22:54.380 I plan to ask her that question.

01:22:55.520 Which is more important to you?

01:22:56.880 Latvia?

01:22:58.140 Do you know what I mean?

01:22:58.680 Or McAllen?

01:22:59.980 McAllen's,

01:23:00.340 more important.

01:23:00.880 Just spoiler alert.

01:23:02.460 Yeah.

01:23:03.500 It's so fascinating

01:23:04.260 talking to you, Tucker.

01:23:04.900 I love how you thought

01:23:05.620 these issues through.

01:23:06.400 This one in particular,

01:23:07.260 I know,

01:23:07.520 near and dear to you.

01:23:08.480 I've got to ask you,

01:23:09.420 I'd be remiss about Joe Biden

01:23:11.140 because we spent some time on Trump.

01:23:12.440 We spent a little time

01:23:13.060 in the GOP primary.

01:23:15.000 I mean,

01:23:15.180 there's a report every day

01:23:16.200 about further deterioration

01:23:17.960 in his mental well-being,

01:23:20.520 in his mental acuity.

01:23:22.320 You know,

01:23:22.520 he,

01:23:23.060 I've mentioned this a couple times,

01:23:24.100 but he was at the Kennedy Center Honors.

01:23:25.440 Those are simple.

01:23:26.040 That's an easy one.

01:23:26.660 You're not talking about world politics.

01:23:28.300 He couldn't get Dionne Warwick out.

01:23:29.820 He thought it was Dionne Warwick.

01:23:31.200 Now,

01:23:31.320 he grew up with her,

01:23:31.960 and that's his era.

01:23:32.860 He couldn't get Barry Gibb out.

01:23:33.960 He called him Billy over and over.

01:23:35.360 There were multiple mistakes.

01:23:36.500 He thinks the dead people are alive,

01:23:37.840 and he thinks the alive people are dead,

01:23:39.280 and he's falling,

01:23:40.160 and he's tripping,

01:23:40.620 and he can't seem to do it.

01:23:42.560 That's the truth.

01:23:43.240 He doesn't seem capable

01:23:44.260 of doing it right now,

01:23:45.400 and he wants us to give him

01:23:46.740 another four years of doing it,

01:23:47.940 and he still has another year

01:23:48.760 on this term.

01:23:49.860 So realistically,

01:23:51.000 when you see all that,

01:23:51.780 and then you see these polls,

01:23:53.120 Trump beating Biden 10 points in Michigan,

01:23:56.160 what are the Democrats going to do,

01:23:59.520 in your view?

01:24:01.720 Yeah,

01:24:02.120 I'm just filled with hostility,

01:24:03.180 not toward Biden,

01:24:03.940 who I basically feel sorry for,

01:24:06.720 but, like,

01:24:08.180 where's the media?

01:24:09.240 I mean,

01:24:09.560 if this were 1998,

01:24:11.680 and, like,

01:24:12.100 the biggest news was,

01:24:13.260 you know,

01:24:13.460 oral sex with an intern,

01:24:14.820 you know,

01:24:15.000 you'd be like,

01:24:15.380 okay,

01:24:15.860 you've got a non-compass men as president.

01:24:17.800 We'll probably be fine.

01:24:19.180 The world,

01:24:19.840 I just can't say this enough,

01:24:20.940 having spent a lot of time

01:24:21.740 traveling recently,

01:24:22.660 the world is up for grabs,

01:24:24.600 and to have a president

01:24:26.020 who's so obviously not there,

01:24:27.680 who really is Woodrow Wilson post-stroke,

01:24:30.460 like,

01:24:30.880 and no one mentions it,

01:24:32.220 and we're still talking about Trump,

01:24:34.120 and it's like it,

01:24:35.440 they take him out,

01:24:36.760 of course.

01:24:37.640 They take him out.

01:24:38.280 There's literally no way

01:24:39.440 he,

01:24:40.780 in his current form,

01:24:42.180 can run,

01:24:42.700 and the problem

01:24:43.640 is the vice president,

01:24:45.700 and they're reaping

01:24:47.800 I would say,

01:24:49.180 you know,

01:24:49.620 the reward of affirmative action,

01:24:51.500 which is,

01:24:51.920 like,

01:24:51.980 it's all great

01:24:52.940 as long as this is your,

01:24:54.800 you know,

01:24:55.320 head of HR or something,

01:24:56.720 but the second incompetent people

01:24:58.260 become air traffic controllers,

01:25:00.440 heart surgeons,

01:25:01.140 and vice presidents,

01:25:02.000 then your country collapses,

01:25:03.800 and so you have this person

01:25:05.800 who's despised by everybody.

01:25:07.960 Her own husband kissed her

01:25:09.360 with a mask on,

01:25:10.320 so clearly,

01:25:11.220 you know,

01:25:11.480 he's got my view on her.

01:25:12.860 He's not a fan.

01:25:13.640 What do you do

01:25:16.340 with Carmela Harris?

01:25:18.420 And I really don't know

01:25:19.700 the answer.

01:25:20.280 That's your racism.

01:25:21.760 Gavin Newsom says

01:25:22.860 that's racist.

01:25:24.020 That's what he told Ron to say.

01:25:25.340 You mispronounced

01:25:26.240 Carmela Harris's name.

01:25:27.900 You're a racist.

01:25:28.460 She can't pronounce her own name.

01:25:29.500 We have,

01:25:30.340 no,

01:25:30.560 I've been called a racist

01:25:31.380 over mispronouncing

01:25:32.340 her fake name,

01:25:33.220 but we also have her auntie

01:25:34.720 pronouncing her own first name,

01:25:37.020 her own first name

01:25:38.020 two different ways.

01:25:39.380 So,

01:25:39.700 like,

01:25:39.880 what does that reveal?

01:25:40.840 Like,

01:25:41.020 if you can't pronounce

01:25:41.660 your own first name consistently,

01:25:43.700 who are you?

01:25:45.280 You know what I mean?

01:25:46.000 At that point,

01:25:46.360 we need a blood test.

01:25:47.280 Are you fully human?

01:25:48.100 Like,

01:25:48.320 what is that?

01:25:50.180 I can defend that.

01:25:51.200 Half the time I say Megan,

01:25:52.520 the other half I say kind of Megan.

01:25:54.140 I don't know.

01:25:54.740 For some of us,

01:25:55.240 it can be confusing.

01:25:56.040 I'm not sure what my parents

01:25:56.900 are going for.

01:25:57.880 Yes,

01:25:58.300 swear to God.

01:25:59.340 So funny.

01:26:00.220 My family gets upset

01:26:01.160 if I say anything

01:26:01.920 other than Megan,

01:26:03.020 hard A.

01:26:04.180 But,

01:26:04.440 like,

01:26:04.820 Megan is too hard

01:26:05.640 the other way for me,

01:26:06.280 so I'm kind of in between.

01:26:07.400 I hate to put myself

01:26:09.360 in her camp,

01:26:09.880 but I'm also

01:26:11.100 a little confused

01:26:11.740 about my name.

01:26:12.940 I may call myself

01:26:13.860 Tuker from now on.

01:26:17.060 I don't know.

01:26:18.340 I'm not vice president

01:26:19.080 and not going.

01:26:20.580 You'd be,

01:26:21.240 you'd be great.

01:26:22.360 But can I just say,

01:26:23.380 I feel,

01:26:24.080 I feel for,

01:26:24.840 actually,

01:26:25.240 honestly,

01:26:25.800 I'm trying to be empathetic.

01:26:27.120 I kind of feel for Harris

01:26:29.060 because she's,

01:26:30.340 she's rejected.

01:26:31.360 She's been rejected.

01:26:32.240 I mean,

01:26:32.460 to the extent she cares.

01:26:33.300 I think she does care.

01:26:34.000 You can feel the insecurity

01:26:34.860 coming off her.

01:26:35.480 I think she does care

01:26:36.220 that she's so popular.

01:26:37.680 And I feel for the Democratic Party,

01:26:39.800 which thought it'd be,

01:26:40.420 like,

01:26:40.840 awesome to get a woman

01:26:41.780 you could claim

01:26:42.280 was both African-American.

01:26:43.880 She's not.

01:26:45.180 Her father's foreign-born.

01:26:46.880 And South Asian.

01:26:48.240 She is.

01:26:48.800 Her mom's Indian.

01:26:50.040 And she's,

01:26:50.960 like,

01:26:51.100 this diversity hire

01:26:52.180 for everybody.

01:26:52.980 And she's,

01:26:53.480 like,

01:26:53.520 the perfect candidate

01:26:54.180 for the emerging

01:26:54.840 Democratic coalition.

01:26:55.860 And,

01:26:56.020 like,

01:26:56.080 they overthought this stuff.

01:26:57.380 Just get someone good.

01:26:58.300 That's it.

01:26:59.180 But they didn't.

01:26:59.900 And now they're looking

01:27:00.620 with the consequences.

01:27:01.300 Like,

01:27:01.540 what do you do?

01:27:02.360 Who's going to tell Carmela

01:27:03.620 that she can't be president?

01:27:05.740 I mean,

01:27:06.000 how would you like to be

01:27:06.700 in charge of that?

01:27:07.940 And what do they give her?

01:27:08.740 No,

01:27:08.880 especially their base,

01:27:10.120 like,

01:27:10.260 the one constituency

01:27:11.060 they still have ready

01:27:11.940 to vote for Joe Biden

01:27:12.760 is black women.

01:27:14.080 So good luck

01:27:14.800 with that situation.

01:27:15.900 Getting rid of the black

01:27:16.780 woman vice president.

01:27:17.860 I mean,

01:27:18.400 that's what Sonny Hostin

01:27:19.820 over on The View was saying.

01:27:20.720 You can't do it.

01:27:21.460 We're not interchangeable.

01:27:22.720 That's going to be the voice

01:27:23.740 of the very angry Democrats

01:27:25.140 if they try to sub her out.

01:27:27.300 So they're in quite a pickle.

01:27:28.600 But can they possibly

01:27:30.840 go to November of 24

01:27:32.400 with Joe Biden?

01:27:34.480 I honestly don't think they can.

01:27:36.560 And if they attempt it,

01:27:37.840 then you'll know

01:27:38.360 it's just flat out rigged election,

01:27:40.060 like flat out.

01:27:40.800 If if they run with Biden,

01:27:42.620 then you'll know

01:27:43.220 they have other assurances,

01:27:44.640 you know,

01:27:45.660 beyond the candidate

01:27:46.680 that they're going to win.

01:27:48.700 And I don't I do think

01:27:50.440 that Republicans in Washington

01:27:52.060 are very anxious to lose.

01:27:53.380 The last thing they want is Trump.

01:27:55.140 He'll call them out.

01:27:56.380 He's a much bigger threat

01:27:57.580 to them than Biden.

01:27:58.260 They can raise money off Biden

01:27:59.640 and Biden socialism

01:28:00.720 or their stupid

01:28:01.700 Reagan era talking points.

01:28:03.360 And so they don't.

01:28:04.640 I mean, they are honestly.

01:28:06.980 Do you think Mitch McConnell

01:28:07.980 would rather have Joe Biden

01:28:09.300 or Donald Trump

01:28:10.760 become the next president?

01:28:11.700 It's not even close.

01:28:12.500 He's rooting for Joe Biden.

01:28:13.720 They're the same age, for one thing.

01:28:16.660 So you set up

01:28:18.220 a very weird dynamic.

01:28:19.580 And I and I I just honestly,

01:28:21.720 once again,

01:28:22.760 can't see how this is resolved

01:28:24.700 between now and November,

01:28:27.000 next November.

01:28:27.580 And I just would be amazed

01:28:29.560 if we were having a conversation

01:28:30.800 like this a year from now

01:28:32.180 and we look back

01:28:33.400 and we don't decide,

01:28:34.320 wow, that was a totally

01:28:35.060 different country.

01:28:35.740 Like so much has changed.

01:28:37.080 I hope that's not true.

01:28:37.920 I don't like.

01:28:38.480 But I think that's

01:28:39.300 very likely to be true.

01:28:41.040 I want to end on you.

01:28:42.600 If we can talk about you.

01:28:43.480 I know you don't want

01:28:44.120 to talk about yourself,

01:28:44.680 but we're going to do it.

01:28:46.240 You love the you love fishing.

01:28:48.220 You love shooting

01:28:49.220 the little birds,

01:28:50.360 just like Doug Brunt does.

01:28:52.340 You.

01:28:53.360 It is so great.

01:28:55.000 By the way, his new book,

01:28:56.020 I'm sorry to be and I'm not

01:28:57.380 commercially minded.

01:28:58.240 So this is sincere.

01:29:00.140 My wife read it

01:29:01.180 and just absolutely.

01:29:02.500 What I haven't read it yet.

01:29:03.620 So my bed stand.

01:29:04.500 But what a great book for real.

01:29:06.380 Oh, my wife.

01:29:08.000 Got that book.

01:29:08.480 Rudolph diesel.

01:29:09.400 If you're looking for it.

01:29:10.680 She didn't even look at the author.

01:29:12.520 She got that book

01:29:13.160 because a friend recommended

01:29:14.040 to her.

01:29:14.440 She didn't realize it was Doug.

01:29:16.560 But anyway, great book.

01:29:18.020 Oh, that's so nice.

01:29:18.960 Yes.

01:29:19.280 Well, I mean, perhaps he was inspired

01:29:20.720 by all of the shooting

01:29:21.560 of the little innocent birdies.

01:29:23.420 The way.

01:29:27.060 No, but what else?

01:29:28.400 Like, what's your life

01:29:29.060 like these days?

01:29:29.560 You're very busy.

01:29:30.320 Seven countries over the summer.

01:29:31.340 Sounds unbelievable.

01:29:32.400 I see you posting these interviews

01:29:33.800 with these world leaders.

01:29:34.860 You already did the guy

01:29:35.800 in Argentina.

01:29:36.760 Free free wins.

01:29:38.020 You got to go back there

01:29:38.720 and do Malay.

01:29:39.720 Is that how you pronounce it again?

01:29:40.920 Yeah, Malay.

01:29:41.420 Yeah, we want to know more about him.

01:29:43.680 The first thing I thought

01:29:44.380 was Tucker's going back there.

01:29:46.180 But who like what else?

01:29:47.240 Tell me what your life is like now.

01:29:48.700 Is it is it great?

01:29:50.820 My life is I mean,

01:29:52.000 it's been great for a long time.

01:29:55.880 Yeah, I mean,

01:29:56.600 I think if you saw

01:29:57.900 how we actually lived,

01:29:59.080 you'd be a little surprised

01:30:00.740 because it's like.

01:30:02.240 Pretty low key,

01:30:03.280 to put it mildly.

01:30:04.940 So, yeah, I mean,

01:30:05.780 I've been with my wife

01:30:06.560 for 40 years this year.

01:30:08.420 And and so since 1984,

01:30:11.660 September of 84,

01:30:13.520 so a little under 40.

01:30:14.560 But anyway,

01:30:15.600 so in our heads,

01:30:16.400 it's like I've been

01:30:16.880 with the same person

01:30:17.440 this whole time.

01:30:18.780 It kind of feels

01:30:19.680 a little bit like 1984

01:30:20.660 in our house.

01:30:21.660 So it's we believe

01:30:23.100 in quiet and reading.

01:30:24.700 We have a bunch of dogs.

01:30:26.040 I bird dogs.

01:30:27.180 And that's why I hunt so much

01:30:28.380 because my dogs demand it.

01:30:29.820 But I love watching my dogs work.

01:30:31.260 And we live in rural places

01:30:33.400 and, you know,

01:30:35.160 have always people

01:30:36.060 staying at our house

01:30:36.940 and having dinner at our house.

01:30:38.920 You know, a lot of stuff at home.

01:30:40.600 And, you know,

01:30:41.840 very quiet,

01:30:42.940 very, very quiet

01:30:44.220 and happy life.

01:30:46.340 I hate to say that.

01:30:47.640 I mean, we don't know strippers,

01:30:48.940 no cocaine,

01:30:49.940 no famous people.

01:30:50.940 Like we have the most

01:30:52.360 we have the calmest life

01:30:54.200 of anyone I know.

01:30:54.880 And I really like that.

01:30:55.820 And we've always lived like that,

01:30:57.160 honestly.

01:30:57.740 So, yeah, I like

01:30:58.620 by the way,

01:30:59.140 the world is so nuts

01:31:00.440 that you need to

01:31:01.800 in your private spheres

01:31:03.720 have peace

01:31:04.640 because otherwise

01:31:05.820 you can't

01:31:06.460 you just can't function.

01:31:07.280 If I had to go home

01:31:08.180 to a chaotic world,

01:31:10.380 I'm going to go home

01:31:10.860 to a world with no TV

01:31:12.340 and, you know,

01:31:13.980 no yelling.

01:31:14.620 No one ever raises a voice

01:31:16.020 and just happy,

01:31:18.100 sober.

01:31:18.740 You know, I don't know.

01:31:19.500 It sounds boring.

01:31:20.140 Maybe it is boring,

01:31:20.840 but we really enjoy it.

01:31:22.360 Really enjoy it a lot.

01:31:24.020 And how's Susie doing

01:31:24.820 with your whole transition

01:31:25.840 out of Fox

01:31:26.440 and into independent media now?

01:31:28.820 Well, she's great.

01:31:29.960 I mean, she was,

01:31:31.060 you know,

01:31:31.840 she's not a liberal,

01:31:32.660 I would say,

01:31:33.500 to put it mildly.

01:31:34.640 But she's not political at all.

01:31:36.760 She just like,

01:31:37.360 in her mind,

01:31:38.400 everything is either

01:31:39.280 like a threat

01:31:39.960 to the family,

01:31:41.220 not just ours,

01:31:42.200 but the family

01:31:43.000 as an institution

01:31:43.740 or it's not.

01:31:44.300 Like, that's the lens

01:31:45.160 through which she sees things.

01:31:46.980 And so she's,

01:31:48.800 you know,

01:31:49.300 I think she's totally supportive.

01:31:51.000 I know she is

01:31:51.780 because we talk all the time

01:31:52.780 because all four kids are gone.

01:31:54.320 So I spend a lot of time with her

01:31:55.780 and we talk things through a lot.

01:31:58.100 But no,

01:31:58.760 I think she's completely happy.

01:32:00.420 I mean,

01:32:00.620 as long as,

01:32:02.100 you know,

01:32:02.420 we don't have to live in a city

01:32:04.220 or deal with false people,

01:32:05.780 she's like really,

01:32:06.680 really happy.

01:32:07.580 Really happy.

01:32:08.360 Actually,

01:32:08.840 I would say happiest woman I know.

01:32:11.060 It must be,

01:32:12.220 it must be so much easier

01:32:13.740 to do the travel

01:32:14.460 and take on this new project.

01:32:15.980 I mean,

01:32:16.120 I'm thinking about my life right now

01:32:17.240 and my kids are 10,

01:32:18.380 12,

01:32:18.760 and 14.

01:32:19.940 And so that you can't,

01:32:21.760 but we're almost the same age.

01:32:23.020 You just had your kids a lot earlier.

01:32:24.200 You met your wife earlier

01:32:25.040 than I met Doug.

01:32:26.360 And I would tell you,

01:32:27.340 there is a reason God

01:32:28.100 cuts you off biologically

01:32:29.080 from having the children

01:32:29.920 you're around 42

01:32:30.660 because I'm tired.

01:32:31.820 I'm so tired.

01:32:32.500 And it's a nightmare

01:32:33.440 and it's lonely.

01:32:34.420 I mean,

01:32:35.080 maybe this is too personal,

01:32:36.200 but one,

01:32:37.360 maybe it was,

01:32:38.300 I've got one of my producers

01:32:39.100 looking at me and I can't remember

01:32:40.000 what it was,

01:32:40.360 but it's like maybe,

01:32:41.300 oh,

01:32:41.460 it was when our final child

01:32:42.620 went off to boarding school.

01:32:43.320 So it was like maybe five

01:32:44.300 or six years ago.

01:32:45.220 I've been on the road

01:32:46.000 my whole life,

01:32:46.800 my whole marriage.

01:32:47.980 And I said to my wife,

01:32:48.800 I'd really like it

01:32:49.540 if you would come with me.

01:32:50.500 And of course,

01:32:50.800 she didn't really want to,

01:32:51.740 but she got into it.

01:32:52.940 So I'll actually,

01:32:53.700 if I go for more than three days,

01:32:55.220 I bring her with me.

01:32:56.420 She always enjoys it.

01:32:57.960 And that's such a massive upgrade.

01:33:00.320 If you're traveling by yourself,

01:33:02.180 it's just depressing.

01:33:03.440 It's totally depressing.

01:33:05.120 So that's Justin Wells.

01:33:06.600 You're,

01:33:06.860 you're a brilliant producer told me

01:33:08.700 we saw each other

01:33:10.100 when we all met up in Florida

01:33:11.700 over the summer.

01:33:12.420 And he said,

01:33:12.740 if Tucker's without Susie

01:33:13.600 for three days,

01:33:14.180 we know what to do.

01:33:15.200 We've got to get Susie to Tucker.

01:33:16.440 He gets grumpy,

01:33:17.320 which is such a nice change.

01:33:18.860 I mean,

01:33:19.040 that's,

01:33:19.320 I think wives everywhere

01:33:20.660 are delighted to hear this about you

01:33:22.640 and having to,

01:33:23.240 I mean,

01:33:23.360 I agree.

01:33:23.980 There's not going to be a scandal

01:33:24.840 about Tucker's personal life,

01:33:26.140 much as they would love to find one.

01:33:28.260 You're a decent person.

01:33:29.480 You're a good man.

01:33:30.640 And I love talking to you.

01:33:31.700 And I'm so happy you're doing this.

01:33:33.020 So happy you're out.

01:33:34.040 You're free.

01:33:34.440 You're independent.

01:33:35.540 Free,

01:33:36.060 literally free.

01:33:36.680 If you want to listen

01:33:37.120 to the Tucker Carlson podcast

01:33:38.460 or for a small fee,

01:33:39.860 you can get his subscription content

01:33:41.480 to tuckercarlson.com.

01:33:44.060 All the best to you,

01:33:44.660 my friend.

01:33:45.020 Thanks for being here.

01:33:46.280 I'm grateful.

01:33:46.880 Thank you,

01:33:47.300 Megan.

01:33:47.600 Congrats on that debate.

01:33:48.780 It was awesome.

01:33:49.500 Oh,

01:33:50.080 thank you very much.

01:33:51.160 Thanks to Tucker and his team.

01:33:52.380 And I think to all of you,

01:33:53.820 I'd love to hear what you thought

01:33:54.960 about that interview,

01:33:56.120 about the debate,

01:33:57.600 about where this GOP primary is going,

01:34:00.620 given the latest polls.

01:34:01.700 My goodness.

01:34:02.740 And maybe by then,

01:34:03.500 we'll have an update on Claudine Gay.

01:34:05.500 It's mildly interesting,

01:34:06.420 isn't it?

01:34:06.760 I mean,

01:34:07.020 even though it's probably going to be

01:34:08.020 sort of the similar person

01:34:08.960 who goes in,

01:34:09.820 it's still mildly interesting.

01:34:11.140 Tomorrow,

01:34:11.840 Andrew Klavan,

01:34:12.560 and we'll get to it all.

01:34:13.340 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show.

01:34:21.080 No BS,

01:34:21.900 no agenda,

01:34:22.700 and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - December 11, 2023

Tucker Carlson on His Exit From Fox, What He's Building Now, and America's Free Speech Reckoning ｜ Ep. 683

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