The Megyn Kelly Show - Tucker Carlson on if RFK Will ENDORSE Trump, and Tim Walz's Weak Masculinity, plus Monica Crowley, Hogan Gidley, and Rep. Adam Smith

00:00:00.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.720 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:14.900 The final day of the Democratic National Convention is finally upon us.

00:00:20.200 Vice President Kamala Harris' coronation is nearly complete.

00:00:23.980 As we await the big event, there is a fascinating and potentially big development coming on the left.

00:00:31.860 You see, they, well, they are now starting to worry, as they should, about RFKJ and what he's about to do.

00:00:42.380 Because it looks, according to reports, like he's about to drop out and endorse Trump.

00:00:48.320 And while his numbers have shrunk pretty dramatically since Harris became the nominee instead of Joe Biden,

00:00:55.480 he'd been polling just around double digits, and now he's down more around four, in some places five, in some places more like three.

00:01:03.060 That could make the difference in the swing states.

00:01:06.320 And one of the people reportedly behind this potential deal is my first guest, my friend Tucker Carlson.

00:01:14.860 He's host of The Tucker Carlson Show.

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00:02:31.180 And before we get to that, I want to tell you while I have you all that I'm going to be joining Tucker on his live tour next month.

00:02:38.640 He's going on tour around the country, and he and I will be together in Kansas City, Missouri.

00:02:43.880 So if you're listening to us any place in the Midwest or beyond, if you want to get on a bus or a plane or your car and come join us there,

00:02:50.560 we will be together September 12th at the T-Mobile Center.

00:02:54.620 All right?

00:02:55.460 T-Mobile Center, September 12th.

00:02:57.840 Tucker Carlson and yours truly, Kansas City, Missouri.

00:03:00.780 You can buy tickets right now at tuckercarlson.com slash events.

00:03:06.760 And Tucker, this is going to be super fun.

00:03:08.760 I love that you're doing this and getting out there, and thank you so much for inviting me.

00:03:13.160 Are you kidding?

00:03:14.040 Thank you for doing it.

00:03:15.500 I couldn't believe you agreed.

00:03:17.460 I was thrilled.

00:03:18.820 And I think this is, I mean, it's live events are the most, as you well know, they're the most fun because you can see the people and you can feel the energy.

00:03:27.880 And it can't be censored.

00:03:30.280 It's just the best.

00:03:31.540 So thank you.

00:03:32.500 Exactly.

00:03:33.200 I can't wait.

00:03:33.920 Okay.

00:03:34.080 So the reports are that you and Don Jr.

00:03:38.480 And maybe one other have been working behind the scenes to convince RFK, Jay, that there's no path forward for him in this particular race, which is, I mean, whether you tried that or not, that appears to be the case.

00:03:49.480 And that he should drop out and endorse Donald Trump and potentially get a role in his administration.

00:03:56.640 He has announced that he's going to be making an announcement on Friday.

00:03:59.920 And when asked about this, he just refused to confirm or deny for now, but did say, I'm not going to say anything about Donald Trump when asked to condemn some of Trump's comments on climate change.

00:04:10.660 So what would you like to say about these reports?

00:04:13.500 Well, I mean, I, I definitely didn't broker anything.

00:04:17.580 That's not my role in life.

00:04:19.080 I'm not good at that.

00:04:21.340 I would never, I just wouldn't do it, you know, go to Bobby and say, you know, you can get this and go to Trump and say, you should do that.

00:04:30.540 I mean, you know, my only role just in general is knowing a lot of people, liking a lot of people.

00:04:38.200 Um, I always try to connect people just in general, you know, you should meet so-and-so, you know, so that, but I am not a political actor, not good at it.

00:04:48.340 I don't really understand politics.

00:04:50.040 Most of my political predictions are wrong.

00:04:53.920 You know, I stay at 35,000 feet, which is the only place I'm comfortable or competent.

00:04:58.980 And the second, you know, I've been lured into saying, oh, this race and this state is going to go that way.

00:05:06.140 I get humiliated because I don't really understand it for you.

00:05:08.700 Same.

00:05:09.220 Same.

00:05:09.860 So, no, I didn't, I didn't broker anything.

00:05:12.460 I, I know them both well, and I really like Bobby Kennedy.

00:05:16.320 I always have.

00:05:17.020 I don't agree with him on everything, obviously, but I like his spirit, which is, um, inquisitive, pretty honest.

00:05:26.040 I would say, actually, for a politician, very honest, brave.

00:05:30.220 Um, I have a lot of the, I share a lot of the concerns he's articulated about health and the environment.

00:05:36.460 I really care about the environment.

00:05:37.880 I think climate change is not human caused.

00:05:40.480 I disagree on that.

00:05:41.580 I think that's ridiculous, actually.

00:05:43.380 Um, climate is changing, but we're not doing it.

00:05:46.000 Uh, but I'm very concerned about the quality of the air and water and the soil.

00:05:51.240 Very concerned.

00:05:51.920 I think we all should be.

00:05:52.740 And the more, you know, the more you are concerned.

00:05:54.220 I'm really concerned by some of the drugs people put in their bodies as a 22-year-long sober person.

00:06:01.480 Um, I really love sobriety.

00:06:03.780 I, you know, went to an AA meeting recently with Bobby Kennedy, had the best time ever.

00:06:07.720 So we have a lot, and I, and I'm a sportsman.

00:06:10.180 I love hunting and fishing, and so does he.

00:06:12.300 So we have just a lot in common personally.

00:06:14.760 And, um, that's the basis of our friendship and of my affection, uh, for him.

00:06:19.520 On the political question, I've already said I have no idea what I'm talking about, and I really don't.

00:06:23.980 But this is my one insight, which I do think is true, is I have no idea if he does endorse Trump.

00:06:29.520 And these are two big personalities, so I'll kind of believe it when I see it.

00:06:32.920 But if that happens tomorrow, um, I think it'll help Trump probably.

00:06:37.740 I don't really know.

00:06:38.600 But I know for a fact that Bobby running third party would hurt Trump because there is a big overlap in their voters.

00:06:45.060 And it's not on all the issues.

00:06:46.560 They disagree on a bunch of issues.

00:06:48.520 But anyone who thinks the current system is corrupt, um, is gonna, is not voting for Kamala Harris because she is, of course, the physical embodiment of corruption.

00:06:58.620 And so you're voting for Bobby Kennedy or Donald Trump.

00:07:01.580 That's the bottom line.

00:07:02.660 And so I think if he stayed in the race, it would definitely hurt Trump.

00:07:06.040 That's my analysis for what it's worth.

00:07:07.780 There's a New York Post report out today that, or is it, well, no, two days ago it hit, uh, talking about where, how Bobby Kennedy's affecting this race between Harris and Trump.

00:07:19.540 And it's very telling.

00:07:21.080 Um, they're looking at some, some recent polling and saying that, take Arizona.

00:07:26.080 Trump leads, uh, Kamala Harris by one point in Arizona and Bobby Kennedy, they're taking 5%.

00:07:33.680 So, I mean, important enough that he could definitely sway that race in Michigan, um, showing Trump, uh, it's basically tied 45 to 44.

00:07:45.000 Kennedy drawing 4% of the vote, um, Nevada, another nail biter saying Trump leads Harris there, 43 to 42, 6% behind Bobby Kennedy, North Carolina, um, 47 to 44 in Trump's favor, 2% backing RFKJ.

00:08:05.760 So, it is really interesting how tight it is Pennsylvania.

00:08:11.300 Harris reads, leads Trump by two points and Wisconsin.

00:08:14.960 She leads him by four points.

00:08:16.760 Kennedy's at 4% and 3% respectively.

00:08:19.560 So, this guy, he may not have the votes that he had maybe, you know, six months ago when he was polling more like 11%, but he truly could swing this election if the people getting ready to vote for him did what he asked them to do and voted for, let's say in this case, Trump.

00:08:38.740 Um, yes, I think that's right and there's, there's a whole kind of demographic in this country, um, that's meaningful in numbers and it's non-liberal nature people, kind of old-fashioned hippie types.

00:08:51.420 They're not all into neoliberalism, actually.

00:08:54.860 A lot of them still believe in civil liberties.

00:08:56.920 They appreciate nature.

00:08:58.520 They don't want to see it despoiled with chemicals.

00:09:01.020 They don't think Monsanto is like a great company necessarily.

00:09:03.760 Um, and they look at Kamala Harris and, and who's not even a real person.

00:09:09.560 I mean, it could be anybody, but they look at that machine financed by the banks and pharma and they think to themselves, you know, I don't have anything in common with these people.

00:09:19.180 And they maybe look at Trump and they're like, who's that guy?

00:09:21.620 He's weird.

00:09:22.180 I don't like him either.

00:09:23.620 But there are a lot of like right-wing hippies actually, particularly in rural areas.

00:09:28.180 They have guns.

00:09:28.960 They, they live in rural areas.

00:09:30.100 Of course they use guns.

00:09:31.100 And so I think those are all potential Trump voters.

00:09:35.580 There are some style problems that turn them off to Trump, but they're definitely not on the side of like black rock at all.

00:09:43.580 And Bobby Kennedy, and I live near a lot of people like this.

00:09:47.480 I share a lot of their views.

00:09:48.780 So I, I'm very familiar with this demographic.

00:09:51.440 And I think that Bobby Kennedy is a, is a pretty good way in to voting for Trump for them.

00:09:58.180 He has credibility with them and for good reason.

00:10:01.980 I share your concerns about what's happening with the environment and the toxins and the food supply and all that.

00:10:06.520 And I, it's funny, Tucker, you'll laugh because I, I, so I recently decided that I was going to stop getting pedicure.

00:10:15.940 Like I get a pedicure, but I don't get toe polish.

00:10:18.120 I don't get toenail polish.

00:10:19.900 And I'm like that, you know, I don't want the top.

00:10:21.740 Would you look at me?

00:10:22.540 Would you look at the number of toxins I have on me right now in my hair?

00:10:27.140 I'm like, not to mention the Botox.

00:10:29.560 Like what a charlatan I am.

00:10:31.360 But you know, it's like around the edges, Tucker, we do what we can to try to minimize the toxins coming in.

00:10:36.420 That's totally right.

00:10:37.760 That is where I draw the line.

00:10:38.600 No, I mean, if I'm being honest, I come from a family like that.

00:10:43.860 Like what's in your toothpaste?

00:10:45.680 What's in your deodorant?

00:10:46.620 I mean, I, you know, I'm 55.

00:10:48.520 I grew up in California in the seventies where people were really concerned about this stuff.

00:10:53.420 A lot of them were kind of dippy liberal people that we made fun of.

00:10:58.420 And, you know, I still make fun of them.

00:11:00.740 On the other hand, those concerns turned out to be absolutely real.

00:11:05.180 And if you look at the rates of chronic illness in this country, I mean, it's destroying the country.

00:11:11.900 And I got a conversation last week with a woman called Casey Means, who's a physician.

00:11:16.960 She's Callie's sister, right?

00:11:19.180 Callie's sister, Callie's a friend of mine and a wonderful guy, a wonderful guy.

00:11:23.260 But his sister is one of the most powerful people I've ever interviewed in my, you know,

00:11:26.820 in 33 years of interviewing people, I've met very few people like Casey Means.

00:11:31.980 First of all, she has the credibility, the authority.

00:11:34.300 She's top of her class at Stanford Medical School.

00:11:36.180 She's a surgeon, okay, which is the highest level of medicine, obviously.

00:11:40.380 And she left it all because she thought the system was so corrupt.

00:11:43.480 But the compelling part of the interview for me was just the litany of health statistics that she threw out there.

00:11:50.460 And the country's actually dying.

00:11:52.500 And I sense that.

00:11:53.860 I've read about it before.

00:11:54.980 But I've never seen those stats collected in one place in the way that she did.

00:11:59.440 And it's an emergency.

00:12:01.380 It's an emergency that I would say supersedes all other emergencies.

00:12:04.740 Sperm counts are down to zero in a lot of men.

00:12:07.580 Like you can't continue the species.

00:12:09.480 So what is causing this is the obvious question.

00:12:11.780 Autism rates out of control to a much higher level than I ever realized.

00:12:15.920 And so for all the people who said, you know, how dare you speculate about what causes autism?

00:12:21.780 Okay, I don't know what causes autism.

00:12:23.900 I will freely concede that.

00:12:25.480 But something is causing autism, actually.

00:12:27.720 It's not just that the measurements have changed.

00:12:29.440 We're counting autism cases.

00:12:30.680 Like, no, no.

00:12:31.220 The absolute number of autism cases is to an emergency level.

00:12:35.700 And that's true for a lot of chronic conditions.

00:12:39.580 And nobody cares.

00:12:41.700 And so I'm just saying as a political matter, there are a lot of people who care.

00:12:44.540 And we put that interview up the other day.

00:12:47.300 It's kind of an obscure topic.

00:12:48.460 It has nothing to do with the election or the Ukraine war or inflation.

00:12:52.060 And the response that we got suggested to me that a lot of people sense this is going on

00:12:57.360 and they want someone to talk about it.

00:12:59.560 And I hope if Bobby endorses Trump, and of course, I hope he does,

00:13:04.020 that he'll spend the next couple of months talking about this stuff in public because somebody needs to.

00:13:08.420 This is one of his favorites.

00:13:09.700 I mean, for sure.

00:13:10.240 This is he's come on the show many times.

00:13:12.480 And I've argued with him about why he doesn't pick up my favorite culture issue issues.

00:13:15.940 And he tells me what his favorite issues are.

00:13:17.680 And that's that's important, too.

00:13:19.380 You know what I mean?

00:13:19.720 What he's pushing?

00:13:21.100 He's right.

00:13:21.760 Nobody else is really talking about.

00:13:23.500 And so it would be fascinating to see him come into a Trump administration with his unique views and experience.

00:13:31.220 I mean, he made his bones as an environmental lawyer, and he's a true expert on that stuff.

00:13:36.960 And I think Trump would listen to him on the things that he really is an expert on.

00:13:40.720 And maybe we would have a different approach on some of this stuff.

00:13:42.860 So we'll know soon.

00:13:44.340 I think it would be a great move for him.

00:13:47.020 Well, we got 24 hours or so to figure it out.

00:13:49.760 OK, I got to talk to you.

00:13:51.460 So much has happened since you last came on.

00:13:54.560 J.D. Vance became Trump's running mate.

00:13:56.360 I also heard you had something to do with that.

00:13:59.060 That is brilliant.

00:14:00.720 And I totally support that move.

00:14:02.940 I know some Republicans are still they have their noses in a joint, but hopefully they're seeing what a great pick he was now when he's so deftly handling the media.

00:14:10.840 He's everywhere.

00:14:11.500 Last night he was in five different networks, you know.

00:14:14.180 And meanwhile, Tim Walsh will only go in front of the golden microphone with her, as you say, not even real people.

00:14:20.440 So what do you make, though, of the media pile on against J.D.?

00:14:26.640 Started with an interview he gave to you a couple of years ago or with a childless cat lady.

00:14:31.060 Right.

00:14:31.460 Comment.

00:14:32.380 Nobody wanted to report the context, you know, a snarky remark.

00:14:35.500 But, you know, we went back and played the whole context of the original remarks that he'd made, what you guys were discussing.

00:14:42.540 Nobody does that, though.

00:14:43.500 So now they've demonized this guy as a woman hater, even though all his major role models and, you know, mentors and the people, the loving people in his life have been women.

00:14:53.020 And as you say, he hates IVF, even though he's on record as saying he's pro IVF, he's against the ban.

00:14:58.680 Like all the stuff that they've been doing to him has been particularly nasty.

00:15:03.120 So what do you think of it?

00:15:05.040 Well, I mean, the childless cat lady thing I felt bad about.

00:15:08.240 I'm pretty sure I haven't looked at the tape again, but I'm pretty sure I egged him on to say something like that.

00:15:13.860 And I think it's a mean thing.

00:15:15.540 I think I'm responsible for that.

00:15:17.240 And I have a tendency to get way over my skis and get mean.

00:15:22.460 And I regret that.

00:15:23.500 You know, it's very ugly.

00:15:24.560 And I'm ashamed of the many, many times when I've said nasty things like that.

00:15:29.300 I feel sorry for childless people, whether they have cats or not.

00:15:32.020 And I mean it as someone who has four children who are the root of my happiness.

00:15:35.980 You know, I really feel compassion.

00:15:38.580 And the whole point, well, the intended point, I may have distorted it in, you know, getting cable newsy and being nasty to people.

00:15:46.260 But the whole point is we should be encouraging people to experience the things that make them the happiest.

00:15:52.740 And I think any parent will tell you, as hard as it is having kids, like that is one of the main sources of happiness for people from the beginning of time.

00:16:00.340 And if we're discouraging that or making it impossible for people to have kids, that's on us.

00:16:04.680 That's a major sin.

00:16:05.600 And we should try to make it better.

00:16:07.580 So I just want to say that, that I felt bad about that.

00:16:10.120 And many other nasty things I've said over the years where I diminish people or make fun of their appearance.

00:16:14.340 That's totally wrong.

00:16:15.800 So I'm sorry.

00:16:16.700 But I would say of J.D. Vance, it was hilarious because he's so weird.

00:16:21.260 He hates women.

00:16:22.080 He's like one of the only politicians I know, and I know a lot of politicians, who has a happy normal marriage.

00:16:27.860 He actually cares what his wife thinks.

00:16:29.260 She's his partner, like actual partner.

00:16:30.820 She's very smart and a really nice person, a cool person.

00:16:34.120 And he isn't like a normal happy marriage.

00:16:36.100 If you brought, and I've actually been around it in private, if you brought a camera into J.D. Vance's household, you would see like a husband who loves his wife, a father who loves his children.

00:16:46.660 Like you really would.

00:16:47.940 You can't say that for almost any other politician on either side.

00:16:52.300 And I don't want to be mean.

00:16:53.840 I've already said I don't want to be mean.

00:16:54.960 But like that, that Walls guy is a creep.

00:16:57.740 I'm just telling you that as someone who went to boarding school in the 80s.

00:17:00.340 Like I know exactly who that guy is.

00:17:02.280 And I'm sorry.

00:17:03.280 It's just, you know, I hope I'm wrong.

00:17:05.360 I don't think I am.

00:17:06.660 And honestly, Tucker, why is he so obsessed with transing children, making it possible for them to separate from their parents and have their body parts chopped off?

00:17:16.000 Hello?

00:17:17.020 Yeah.

00:17:17.220 Well, I lived in a boy's dorm in a New England boarding school in the 1980s with a lot of guys like Tim Walls, okay?

00:17:24.040 So I saw that guy, and I'm like, oh, wow.

00:17:26.580 I know exactly you're a creeper, as we used to call him, for sure.

00:17:30.900 And, you know, I guess I probably shouldn't.

00:17:33.540 I definitely shouldn't suggest what I'm suggesting without evidence.

00:17:37.560 I don't have evidence beyond what I've seen.

00:17:38.980 So I just want to say that I'm probably, again, over my schemes.

00:17:41.400 You mean like a pervert?

00:17:42.440 Like, I don't, when you say creeper.

00:17:43.320 I just, there's something wrong with that guy.

00:17:44.820 He's a weirdo.

00:17:45.580 He's a weirdo.

00:17:46.420 And you can tell watching him.

00:17:48.360 And I'm sorry.

00:17:49.500 I just lived long enough that I know that your gut level perceptions are rooted in truth.

00:17:54.420 They're not always precisely true.

00:17:56.120 I've gotten many things wrong.

00:17:57.400 Like, the details are unknown to me.

00:17:59.000 But I look at that guy, and I'm like, you're a weirdo.

00:18:01.440 And everyone's like, no, he's so normal.

00:18:03.140 No, not normal.

00:18:04.480 Sorry.

00:18:05.400 And so.

00:18:05.960 Well, there's another thing.

00:18:07.240 There's another thing about Tim Walls that hasn't gotten as much airtime, and it's true.

00:18:10.700 He actually did remove, they were coming up with the Minnesota human rights law and revising

00:18:16.940 it, renewing it.

00:18:18.240 You know, this class is protected.

00:18:19.980 You can't discriminate against these people, and you can't discriminate against gays and

00:18:23.300 lesbians.

00:18:24.040 And the law had said, to be clear, pedophiles get no protection under this law.

00:18:30.560 Pedophiles do not fall under the definition of a protected class.

00:18:34.120 And they removed that language.

00:18:36.340 They removed that language under Tim Walls.

00:18:39.600 That the pedophiles, so it made it more ambiguous.

00:18:42.760 Now, some of the LGBTQ community said, well, we removed that because we don't want to be

00:18:46.280 associated with it.

00:18:46.940 We don't even need to say that right after you're talking about gay people.

00:18:49.680 We shouldn't even be in the same breath as pedophiles.

00:18:52.320 But it did make it more ambiguous.

00:18:54.160 And some objected, saying, why would we take this out and make it less clear that we're not

00:18:58.240 trying to protect pedophiles?

00:18:59.520 In any event, it remained out, and Tim Walls signed that bill.

00:19:02.080 I'm not saying he's a pedophile.

00:19:03.380 I'm just saying, you don't hear about this stuff from the mainstream media because they're

00:19:06.140 so determined to tell us he's our dad.

00:19:08.940 And by the way, what is he doing in a high school setting with children talking to them

00:19:13.900 about their sex lives?

00:19:15.220 Like, that's just prima facie wrong.

00:19:17.060 It's totally wrong.

00:19:17.980 And a healthy society would not tolerate that.

00:19:20.120 You are not allowed to have teachers talking to kids about their sex lives.

00:19:23.340 And I don't care if you're saying, oh, they're bullied.

00:19:25.600 OK.

00:19:26.660 You know, but you're still adults are not allowed to get involved in the sex lives of children

00:19:31.340 unless they're the parents of those children.

00:19:33.380 Period.

00:19:33.880 He started the LGBTQ alliance.

00:19:35.040 I just disagree with the entire thing.

00:19:37.080 The Gay-Straight Alliance.

00:19:38.180 Like, are you an anti-gay bigot?

00:19:39.580 Well, of course, I'm not an anti-gay bigot.

00:19:41.780 I am just against, across the board, creepy teachers talking to other people's children

00:19:47.320 about those children's sex lives.

00:19:48.840 That is totally wrong.

00:19:50.320 And that is, I think that's criminally adjacent.

00:19:53.540 Actually, I think it's a crime.

00:19:54.660 And I don't think any normal father would put up with that.

00:19:57.760 And you sort of wonder, like, where are the dads here?

00:19:59.820 Saying, you talk to my child about his sex life one more time.

00:20:03.720 I'm going to, you know, I'm going to hurt you.

00:20:05.520 That's the healthy response.

00:20:06.720 Like, no.

00:20:07.860 And I've just been around a lot.

00:20:09.400 And again, I went to boarding school.

00:20:10.620 I've seen this stuff.

00:20:11.740 That is totally wrong.

00:20:12.940 And who would do that?

00:20:14.440 If somebody said to me, you know, there are kids in our school being bullied because of

00:20:19.000 their sex lives.

00:20:19.700 They'd be like, well, I'm totally opposed to bullying and cruelty and meanness.

00:20:22.480 Yes.

00:20:23.500 But no, I'm not going to sit around and talk to children about who they have sex with.

00:20:28.720 Because that's creepy.

00:20:30.420 It's totally creepy.

00:20:32.120 And no one can say that.

00:20:33.180 Who wants to introduce that topic to children?

00:20:36.220 I agree.

00:20:36.840 Even in a private setting, it's difficult enough when you have a parental obligation at

00:20:39.680 some point to discuss it.

00:20:41.120 In the school setting, when it's somebody else's kid?

00:20:43.700 I mean, such a disgusting line to cross.

00:20:46.200 But yes, he's-

00:20:46.940 I totally agree.

00:20:47.860 And the guy's like, oh, no, I'm proud of that.

00:20:50.000 No, you should be ashamed.

00:20:51.020 It should not be allowed.

00:20:53.060 It is the standard now in all schools where the school therapist or the nurse or some

00:20:57.360 creepy football coach like Tim Walls gets to talk to your kids about their sex lives.

00:21:02.820 And I would just say, no, they're not doing that in Romania.

00:21:07.000 They're not doing that in China.

00:21:09.000 Like, and those are not countries I want to live in.

00:21:11.520 But they're countries that are rooted in, like, age-old common sense, which is that crosses

00:21:16.740 a line.

00:21:17.680 That line ends with, like, if you allow that line to be crossed, adults will have sex with

00:21:22.680 kids.

00:21:23.200 Okay?

00:21:23.640 That is true.

00:21:24.340 I'm not accusing Tim Walls of doing that.

00:21:25.940 I have seen that personally.

00:21:27.680 Again, being in a boarding school where that happened.

00:21:30.320 You know, I'm just going to mentor you and talk to you about your sexual identity struggles.

00:21:33.960 And you end up sleeping with a kid.

00:21:35.280 Like, that's why we don't allow that.

00:21:36.800 That's why I would never allow-

00:21:38.320 No, there's no question.

00:21:39.420 There's no question that inappropriate sexual discussions with children is grooming.

00:21:43.320 It just is.

00:21:44.440 It's true.

00:21:44.940 And I realize they say, oh, they're bullied and we want to talk to them about sex.

00:21:47.120 It's not for you to do.

00:21:48.160 It's not for you to do.

00:21:48.880 And certainly not at the younger ages.

00:21:51.280 That's for the parents to do, if at all.

00:21:53.140 I mean, like, that's up to a mom and dad to discuss when and in what way those topics

00:21:57.700 are discussed.

00:21:59.000 Exactly.

00:22:00.200 This gets me to something that happened when Obama was speaking the other night.

00:22:03.760 Now, the reason I think this is interesting is because Obama is such an elitist, like,

00:22:10.300 just prick.

00:22:11.340 He doesn't realize how off-putting this kind of comment is.

00:22:16.800 But I was like-

00:22:17.380 I love that summary, though.

00:22:19.020 That's so good.

00:22:19.940 It just is.

00:22:21.640 And so I was jarred by the comment.

00:22:24.280 Then you showed up wearing a flannel shirt.

00:22:27.760 And these two things made me pull this soundbite.

00:22:30.400 And it ties in beautifully to the discussion we're having right now.

00:22:33.100 Listen to him.

00:22:34.920 Tim is the kind of person who should be in politics.

00:22:39.540 Born in a small town.

00:22:42.300 Served his country.

00:22:43.760 Taught kids.

00:22:45.100 Coached football.

00:22:46.740 Took care of his neighbors.

00:22:49.900 He knows who he is.

00:22:52.620 And he knows what's important.

00:22:55.520 You can tell those flannel shirts he wears don't come from some political consultant.

00:23:00.340 They come from his closet.

00:23:01.960 And they have been through some stuff.

00:23:12.120 They have been through some stuff.

00:23:13.800 It's like the inability to wrestle with who Tim Walz is when he's done in policy, one.

00:23:23.180 And number two, like, look at the flannel.

00:23:26.540 I mean, he's middle America, all right.

00:23:28.920 Look at him in his flannel.

00:23:30.460 This is Obama in his $4,000 suit.

00:23:32.860 It's also silly and superficial.

00:23:36.340 So Obama likes his clothes.

00:23:38.320 Okay.

00:23:39.840 What?

00:23:40.920 You know what I mean?

00:23:41.700 This is a guy who let the biggest city in his state burn, whose wife said she enjoyed it.

00:23:46.480 And she breathed deeply of the burning rubber, kept the windows open to do it.

00:23:50.260 These are sick people.

00:23:52.220 But more than that, like, if that's true, if the Democratic Party is the party of working

00:23:57.540 people, then how come none of the working people are voting for Democrats anymore?

00:24:01.460 You know what I mean?

00:24:02.180 They have to vote for Republicans.

00:24:03.920 And by the way, I would, from my perspective, they shouldn't have to vote for Republican.

00:24:07.700 Republican Party, you know, Mitch McConnell could care less about the opioid crisis, obviously.

00:24:12.500 I don't think the Republicans represent them very well, but the Democrats have such contempt

00:24:17.780 for them, such hatred for them, that rural people have had no choice but to vote Republican.

00:24:24.960 I mean, the Democratic Party has gone out of its way to hurt them, actually, the white

00:24:29.200 working class.

00:24:29.860 That's just a fact.

00:24:31.000 Put them at the bottom rung of medicine distribution during COVID, discriminated against them on the

00:24:37.800 basis of, like, health care because of their skin color.

00:24:42.500 And their socioeconomic status, like, they are truly hated by the Democratic Party.

00:24:48.860 And, you know, I don't know Obama well enough to know what he actually thinks of them, but

00:24:52.800 their policies have really hurt these people.

00:24:55.960 And again, I live in an area that was Democrat because there was milts.

00:24:59.820 And these are not people who wanted to vote Republican.

00:25:02.480 They didn't grow up voting Republican.

00:25:04.180 Their grandparents didn't vote Republican.

00:25:05.820 They're union members.

00:25:07.160 And now they're mostly voting Republican because they have no choice.

00:25:10.780 So, like, some lecture about Tim Walz's wardrobe that, you know, Obama thinks is very snazzy.

00:25:16.220 It's, like, so stupid, actually.

00:25:18.140 Well, maybe he wants them to vote for you, too, because you got the checkered flannel.

00:25:21.660 It looks flannel.

00:25:22.400 I mean, I grew up in La Jolla, California in an affluent family.

00:25:26.920 I never pretend I'm the voice of the working class.

00:25:29.080 I'm the opposite of the...

00:25:30.100 I spent my whole life in D.C., you know, living in Northwest D.C. in an expensive house and

00:25:35.320 having, you know, lunch with senators every day.

00:25:38.020 So, I mean, I'm hardly a representative of America's, you know, dying working class at

00:25:44.320 all.

00:25:44.760 I just...

00:25:45.400 I like the people.

00:25:47.220 I like the country.

00:25:48.040 And I'm just trying to be honest about what I see.

00:25:51.780 But the fraudulence there is so transparent.

00:25:55.080 Like, who would fall for that, actually?

00:25:56.780 Well, now, I mean, they're trying to style him, as I said, into our dad.

00:26:02.540 That was actually, I think, a Politico tweet.

00:26:04.600 You're America's dad.

00:26:05.800 I mean, it's like, no, we're good.

00:26:08.440 And they're calling her Momala, our dad and our momala.

00:26:11.700 I'm like, these Democrats, like, really seriously looking for new parent figures in the absence

00:26:16.780 of good ones of their own, I suppose.

00:26:18.880 And I do wonder, like, what's wrong with us?

00:26:21.760 Because most of us don't need new parents and aren't looking to some politician to step

00:26:26.760 into the breach.

00:26:27.460 And now, today's line, in the wake of the Tim Wall speech, is he is the definition of

00:26:36.080 the non-toxic male.

00:26:37.460 He's the anti-you, Tucker.

00:26:39.860 He's the anti-Trump.

00:26:41.380 He's the anti-J.D. Vance.

00:26:42.980 He's like the soft man who still coaches football.

00:26:47.800 I'll give you Dana Bash making this point last night on CNN.

00:26:51.860 But they are doing so in trying to put forward male figures, Tim Walls being one of them,

00:27:02.100 Doug Emhoff last night, who can speak to men out there who might not be the sort of testosterone

00:27:11.980 laden, you know, gun-toting kind of guy who wants to listen to Hulk Hogan and the kind

00:27:20.160 of players that came out at the RNC, or might want to listen to that.

00:27:25.360 But also, in addition, understand that it's OK in 2024 to be a man comfortable in his own

00:27:33.360 skin.

00:27:33.800 What we saw at the Trump convention, which was, as you know, somebody, I forget exactly who

00:27:39.080 said it, Testosterone, with Kid Rock and the ultimate fighting champion guy.

00:27:43.800 Yeah, that guy.

00:27:44.560 And Hulk Hogan.

00:27:46.460 Dana White.

00:27:47.520 Yeah.

00:27:48.040 Remember, Hulk Hogan actually ripped off his shirt, and he had another shirt underneath,

00:27:51.360 which I think is not exactly what the rip-off the shirt thing is supposed to be.

00:27:54.360 But in any case, I digress.

00:27:57.980 What do you mean, I give it?

00:28:00.180 Well, it's just weird to me as someone who spent almost a decade at CNN that that's their

00:28:03.680 A-team now.

00:28:04.740 It's like sad, you know.

00:28:07.040 Really?

00:28:07.400 Those Dana Bash is like doing political analysis.

00:28:11.220 It's like, if you live long enough, you see how absurd things really are.

00:28:15.260 That's someone who knows Dana Bash.

00:28:16.420 But leaving that aside, I think they're absolutely right.

00:28:19.200 If you want weak men and the angry women around them, that's the party for you, for sure.

00:28:26.540 Men who hate themselves.

00:28:27.740 But I don't think that most people want that, actually.

00:28:31.260 And they've spent 50 years trying to convince us that masculinity is dangerous.

00:28:35.480 And so we live in a world with very little of it.

00:28:38.080 And the society has become much more violent and much more unhappy and much more chaotic,

00:28:42.340 actually.

00:28:44.100 Masculinity, like femininity, is a product of nature.

00:28:46.480 It's a good thing.

00:28:47.300 We should never be against nature, the natural order.

00:28:50.500 And of course, there are horrible men who are violent.

00:28:53.680 You know, all violence basically comes from men.

00:28:55.740 That's bad.

00:28:56.900 But that doesn't mean masculinity is bad.

00:28:58.540 And if you want to know what happens without it, look around at modern America.

00:29:01.960 It's a miserable country with angry people in it.

00:29:04.320 And if you want more of that, you know, vote for Tim Walls, who I just want to say once

00:29:09.520 again, I'm totally convinced is creepy.

00:29:11.500 I think I'll be vindicated.

00:29:12.900 I hope I'm wrong.

00:29:14.260 But I think he is.

00:29:15.040 But whatever.

00:29:15.640 He's clearly weak.

00:29:17.540 And Doug Emhoff, his daughter, comes out on stage.

00:29:21.120 Again, I'm trying not to be mean.

00:29:22.360 But like, I look at Doug Emhoff's daughter, miserable, covered in tattoos.

00:29:26.900 And I'm like, anyone who was a child like that should not have political power.

00:29:29.800 Because you've messed up enough.

00:29:32.820 Do you know what I mean?

00:29:33.520 I mean, like, I do think that your personal life really matters.

00:29:37.980 If you don't have a spouse who loves and respects you, if you don't have children who

00:29:40.780 love and respect you, I feel sorry for you.

00:29:43.360 But you definitely can't have control over my life because you have not done a good job.

00:29:48.460 So he's the one.

00:29:49.620 I mean, yes, there's a million articles calling Tim Walls our new dad and saying he's the kind

00:29:53.120 of guy who would fix your flat tire for you.

00:29:55.100 But political, the most recent one was about Doug Emhoff.

00:29:57.700 That's who it was.

00:29:58.580 And they called him meet.

00:29:59.840 The headline was meet Doug Emhoff, dad in chief.

00:30:03.380 This guy who cheated on his first wife by banging the nanny, impregnating her.

00:30:09.640 And there was either an abortion or an abandoned child.

00:30:12.460 And they actually want us to swallow him as our dad.

00:30:16.340 You know what?

00:30:17.000 My dad was a good dad who never cheated on my mom, who never impregnated another person,

00:30:22.540 who never had an abortion with an affair.

00:30:24.700 I mean, he could have a lot.

00:30:26.120 This is sick.

00:30:27.020 Why are they looking at these men as like their new daddy figures?

00:30:30.760 Well, because that's the whole program of the party.

00:30:33.320 I mean, the party is the most important thing.

00:30:34.940 That's really the story of Kamala Harris.

00:30:36.700 I don't spend a lot of time beating up on Kamala Harris because I don't think she's a

00:30:39.940 significant figure.

00:30:40.760 She just happened to be there that what we've seen over the past six weeks is what actually

00:30:45.720 matters in the Democratic Party, which is not individuals, their charisma, their ideas,

00:30:49.980 their program.

00:30:50.660 It's the party itself.

00:30:52.440 The party itself is more important than any single person in the party.

00:30:55.680 The individual doesn't matter.

00:30:57.340 It's the collective.

00:30:58.380 And that collective, in their view, should replace everything else and should be the subject of

00:31:06.560 your first and primary loyalty.

00:31:08.780 In other words, you know, your parents violate COVID law.

00:31:12.640 Your brother violates COVID law.

00:31:14.120 You rat them out to the party, to the state, because the party is the most important thing.

00:31:19.020 So, of course, they think that whoever runs the party should be mom or dad, because the

00:31:24.680 party is more important than the church, than the family, to your friendships, to your work.

00:31:32.320 I mean, it's got to be the center of your loyalty.

00:31:35.620 And this is just the totalitarian worldview.

00:31:37.420 It's always been the same.

00:31:39.400 It was the same in the Soviet era.

00:31:41.460 It was the same during the revolutionary era in France and Spain.

00:31:44.780 In every country that's ever had a revolution, whether it's communist or whatever they call

00:31:48.740 it, the names don't mean anything because it's the same idea.

00:31:51.800 It's the party replaces God and family and personal loyalty.

00:31:57.160 And so, yeah, of course, it could be, you know, it doesn't matter who's the head of the party.

00:32:02.000 That person should be dad.

00:32:03.320 And that's why the Democratic Party spends so much time trying to destroy all of their

00:32:07.980 pre-existing loyalties, primarily the family and the church.

00:32:10.780 That's why they've got a vasectomy lab at the DNC.

00:32:15.480 Because, of course, having kids makes you realize, like, my kids are more important than

00:32:21.200 anything else, obviously.

00:32:22.620 And women parading down the street as Mifepristone abortion pills, literally in costumes that are

00:32:30.580 the abortion pill.

00:32:31.360 Yeah, I mean, you really realize it's actually been an amazing and instructive experience to

00:32:38.220 watch this and just to watch the last couple of years because they've admitted what's really

00:32:42.520 important.

00:32:43.100 Like, I always thought they were for abortion because, I don't know, they felt sorry for

00:32:47.660 the 14-year-old who got raped, which I do too, of course.

00:32:50.580 So I get that.

00:32:51.660 But it had nothing to do with that.

00:32:53.240 They like abortion for its own sake because it prevents childbirth, because it prevents new

00:32:58.280 life from coming into the world.

00:32:59.680 But they're for it on its own terms.

00:33:02.360 It's a positive good to them.

00:33:04.580 Now, you can be as pro-choice as you want and still think that's the most grotesque attitude

00:33:09.540 possible.

00:33:10.480 Like, they're just for human sacrifice.

00:33:11.800 They're for killing for its own sake.

00:33:13.200 They're opposed to children.

00:33:14.820 Like, what's the other explanation?

00:33:16.120 Honestly, there are some.

00:33:17.340 They're not all that way.

00:33:18.320 But there are some.

00:33:18.960 No, no, they're not.

00:33:19.600 And that's why they run around with, I'm proud of my abortion.

00:33:22.800 I love my abortion.

00:33:24.480 And they're touting the fact that they've killed 25 in utero babies just this week alone.

00:33:29.360 They're proud of it.

00:33:30.220 25 abortions have taken place outside of the DNC.

00:33:33.160 As they're talking to us about joy, they're literally killing babies outside and then bragging

00:33:38.520 about it.

00:33:39.740 So how is that not a religion?

00:33:41.380 I mean, that's a religion.

00:33:42.360 That's not a political movement.

00:33:43.860 Obviously, it's nothing to do with politics, actually.

00:33:46.220 That's a religion.

00:33:46.640 They're worshipping something.

00:33:47.700 They're worshipping the death of human beings.

00:33:50.320 So that's the oldest religion there is, actually, is the religion that tells you by killing,

00:33:57.040 you get joy.

00:33:58.740 I mean, that's, I mean, this is like age old.

00:34:01.220 The beginning of recorded history, every civilization has practiced human sacrifice, every single

00:34:06.280 one, and on every continent.

00:34:09.380 And you can ask yourself, like, why?

00:34:11.380 What is that exactly?

00:34:12.340 Which is a whole nother conversation.

00:34:13.500 But that's just factually true.

00:34:14.640 And that's what we're seeing here.

00:34:16.220 This is not political.

00:34:17.560 It's religious.

00:34:19.600 Why do you think that in the past week, when the Democrats have controlled the airwaves

00:34:26.380 and their ratings have been very good for this Democratic National Convention, the betting

00:34:31.080 odds on who's going to win this election have swung 10 points to Donald Trump's favor?

00:34:38.420 Let me give you the rundown.

00:34:39.520 June 28th, post the disastrous debate for Biden, they showed Trump up 33 points over Joe Biden.

00:34:46.520 This is the betting odds.

00:34:48.040 June 15th, after the attempted assassination, Trump up 48 points over Joe Biden.

00:34:54.380 July 22nd, the day it became obvious Harris was going to be subbed in, Trump up 26.

00:34:59.380 So he's starting to fall.

00:35:00.180 August 16th, which was last Friday, Harris up 8.6, which had been a huge swing in her favor,

00:35:08.480 reflecting what happened in the media and the coronation and her not speaking to anybody.

00:35:12.920 And then in the past week, Trump is now up to a 10 point swing in his favor as she has dominated

00:35:22.160 the airwaves and all the Democratic all-stars, Tucker, Michelle, Barack, Oprah, Tim Walls,

00:35:30.260 Nancy, and the numbers are going like this, at least on the betting odds.

00:35:34.620 You know, it's hard to understand the collective wisdom of markets.

00:35:39.620 I often don't understand it.

00:35:41.560 I can only guess.

00:35:42.760 I think those are amazing numbers, though.

00:35:44.540 Thank you for reading those.

00:35:46.500 But my sense is that people know this is as good as it's going to get for the Democratic

00:35:52.220 Party.

00:35:52.660 I mean, they literally have control of the airwaves for a full week in a stage managed production,

00:35:59.140 a propaganda show, which is what all conventions are.

00:36:01.620 And it's probably not going to get better than what it is right now.

00:36:06.800 Like, what else can they do?

00:36:08.520 Like, have more abortions between now and November?

00:36:11.400 Like, you know what I mean?

00:36:13.200 Like, what else is there?

00:36:14.400 There isn't actually a program that uplifts or helps people.

00:36:18.640 I do think there's the sense that the economy is in actual peril, that we're just kind of

00:36:23.540 holding it together with masking tape until the inevitable collapse.

00:36:27.380 And what's their answer for that?

00:36:30.100 You know what I mean?

00:36:30.900 Like, higher capital gains tax or unrealized gains tax?

00:36:35.620 Like, they don't have an answer, actually.

00:36:37.720 They're just putting pressure on Powell.

00:36:40.560 I mean, like, our entire economic program in the United States seems to be manipulating

00:36:45.740 the Federal Reserve on interest rates.

00:36:47.180 Like, that's it.

00:36:47.720 There's no other answer.

00:36:49.220 And that's obviously an inadequate answer.

00:36:51.460 So, I mean, that would be my guess, that people looking at the fundamentals know that they're

00:36:57.960 out of tricks.

00:36:59.620 You know, and maybe abortions in the parking lot won't be enough in the end.

00:37:03.420 Mm-hmm.

00:37:04.040 Yeah.

00:37:04.420 I mean, maybe they're starting to feel the economic pain that's hitting the news day by

00:37:07.940 day.

00:37:08.120 You saw the report yesterday that they had to revise the jobs report downward, almost

00:37:12.740 a million, 818,000.

00:37:15.060 They had overstated, new jobs created.

00:37:17.360 This is all puffery.

00:37:18.580 And now the truth is coming out.

00:37:19.860 And then the Commerce Department head goes on with ABC, and she gets asked about this

00:37:28.360 downward revision by the Department of Labor.

00:37:30.900 They played her a soundbite of Trump saying there'd been a downward revision of 800,000

00:37:35.540 plus.

00:37:36.500 And they asked her, you know, how about it, lady?

00:37:40.200 And listen, listen to Gina Raimondo.

00:37:43.300 I'm curious as to your thoughts on today, the Bureau of Labor saying that more than 800,000

00:37:48.920 fewer jobs were actually created than initially reported.

00:37:52.440 And we have a soundbite here just to play.

00:37:54.320 We can listen to it together because Donald Trump is already addressing this on the campaign

00:37:58.080 trail.

00:37:58.620 Let's take a listen to that one together.

00:38:00.760 The administration padded the numbers with an extra, listen to this one, 818,000 jobs that

00:38:10.400 don't exist.

00:38:11.860 So they said they existed, and they never did exist.

00:38:15.980 They built them up so that they could say what a wonderful job they're doing.

00:38:21.500 So when you hear that, do you potentially think that this new numbers could be a liability

00:38:25.720 for this campaign?

00:38:26.980 No.

00:38:27.280 When I hear that, first of all, I don't believe it because I've never heard Donald Trump say

00:38:31.580 anything truthful.

00:38:32.540 It is, though, from the Bureau of Labor.

00:38:34.360 I don't, I'm not familiar with that.

00:38:38.760 She's not familiar.

00:38:39.700 Here, two additional points.

00:38:41.740 She's been reportedly considered for treasury secretary in the Kamala Harris administration.

00:38:48.000 It's just treasury.

00:38:48.820 This woman who's never heard of the Bureau of Labor report.

00:38:52.140 And that story was ignored by all of the big three media last night on their evening

00:38:58.320 news, except ABC gave it 10 seconds.

00:39:00.120 It's just crazy to me that Gina Raimondo, who was the governor of Rhode Island, a state

00:39:05.420 I used to live in, I'm pretty familiar with it, that she was rewarded with a cabinet seat

00:39:10.120 after what she did in Rhode Island.

00:39:11.960 Like, there's no connection between achievement and advancement anymore.

00:39:16.280 Like, the meritocracy really is dead in the United States, which is the core problem.

00:39:18.900 Like a Kamala.

00:39:20.320 Well, exactly.

00:39:21.400 But Gina Raimondo was a governor.

00:39:23.060 Like, you can, you know, she did not help Rhode Island at all.

00:39:25.980 And I think she's smart and she was famously moderate and all this stuff.

00:39:29.660 And like, she was pretty promising as a, as a governor.

00:39:31.940 I thought she Democrat, I didn't vote for her or anything, but I, you know, she could have

00:39:35.540 made that state much better and she didn't, it got worse.

00:39:38.100 So how the hell did she get in Biden's cabinet?

00:39:41.140 Right.

00:39:41.460 First thing, second thing, you know, it's not about Trump.

00:39:44.680 Notice she just like, oh, he's a liar.

00:39:46.880 Okay.

00:39:47.860 Um, whatever, but you're lying about basic economic stats.

00:39:53.560 And that is really the problem.

00:39:55.300 That's the crucial problem.

00:39:56.300 If you can't even trust the numbers coming out of the government, if everything is a

00:40:00.280 lie from how Trump almost got assassinated to how Kamala Harris got the nomination to

00:40:06.300 Joe Biden's health, to, to basic numbers on employment or the CPI or whatever, if all

00:40:12.440 the numbers are cooked, if everything is political, then you just don't have a functional society

00:40:17.580 actually at that point.

00:40:18.740 Like, I think we're really tampering with the formula here.

00:40:22.060 Like the secret service cannot be a political instrument.

00:40:24.640 Neither can the FBI or DOJ.

00:40:26.640 No, you can't lie about every fundamental number.

00:40:30.160 Something as simple as how many people have jobs.

00:40:32.260 You can't do that or else the whole thing will fall apart.

00:40:36.360 You know, 250 years of effort to build this society and you could lose it if you do stuff

00:40:41.240 like that.

00:40:41.800 And they are.

00:40:42.560 And everyone kind of knows it.

00:40:44.280 It's freaking me out watching this.

00:40:46.980 You mentioned FBI.

00:40:49.720 One of the things, of course, that going back to our earlier discussion, RFKJ has been railing

00:40:53.920 about is the, you know, intelligence community and how corrupt he thinks they are.

00:40:58.480 Don Jr. was on with Glenn Beck yesterday and said he loves the idea of RFKJ like as head

00:41:04.900 of CIA or doing something to take apart these organizations and start rebuilding them.

00:41:10.680 What do you make of that idea?

00:41:11.800 Like if you, if you, Tucker Carlson, could wave a magic wand and say, this is what I would

00:41:15.640 use RFKJ for, what would it be?

00:41:18.620 Well, I'd give him declassification power immediately.

00:41:21.160 I, you know, I don't even know if that's legal under federal law, but I would, I would try to

00:41:25.660 Oh, I, I would look, I think one of the biggest, I mean, I think one of the reasons we have

00:41:32.360 such a corrupt society at this point is because secrecy makes it possible.

00:41:37.320 You know, secrecy is that we don't, we have no privacy.

00:41:39.700 It's so interesting.

00:41:40.340 We have no privacy.

00:41:41.500 You keep your iPhone in your bedroom and someone can listen to you, you know, talking to your

00:41:45.940 spouse.

00:41:46.320 Okay.

00:41:46.820 No privacy at all, but we have more secrecy than ever.

00:41:50.560 The people in charge have created a system where nothing they do can ever be evaluated because

00:41:55.640 you're not allowed to know what they're doing in your name, with your money over a billion

00:41:59.560 classified federal documents.

00:42:01.480 That means by definition, it's a corrupt system.

00:42:04.140 So I do think going forward, if we're going to save the country, fix the system, have a

00:42:08.980 government that we can believe in, be proud of sort of anyway, you need to declassify a

00:42:15.260 lot beginning with nine 11.

00:42:17.060 Like, I'm sorry, everyone attacks the nine 11 conspiracy theories.

00:42:20.060 I have no idea the truth, by the way, I'm not suggesting I do, but I do know that 23 years

00:42:24.260 later, if we have, you know, the bulk of the documents still classified, the question

00:42:28.040 is why it's not to preserve sources and methods.

00:42:31.020 That's not relevant.

00:42:31.960 It's to protect the guilty.

00:42:34.280 Same with the JFK files.

00:42:36.040 Same with the UAP.

00:42:36.780 I was going to say, let's go back further than nine 11.

00:42:38.540 Well, that's exactly right.

00:42:39.740 So like, there's no justification.

00:42:41.740 And people like Pompeo, who in my opinion is evil, but you know, we can disagree on that.

00:42:46.840 But Pompeo, it was absolutely part of that.

00:42:49.540 I mean, Pompeo is the reason the JFK files weren't declassified.

00:42:53.040 The reason we still don't really understand a lot about nine 11 that happened in my lifetime.

00:42:57.100 I had three kids on nine 11.

00:42:58.500 This just happened.

00:42:59.300 Like I have a right to know this changed our country.

00:43:01.840 How do I not have a right to know what the truth is?

00:43:04.920 And so if you got someone like Bobby Kennedy in there who, you know, his uncle was definitely

00:43:10.600 murdered with the knowledge of CA.

00:43:12.520 I can say that conclusively.

00:43:14.640 There are questions about how his father was murdered and by whom, you know, he is a

00:43:19.380 personal sort of mission to declassify the stuff.

00:43:23.960 And I would love to see that.

00:43:25.160 I think his life would be in peril if he tried that.

00:43:27.400 I think you'd do it anyway, which speaks to his courage.

00:43:30.860 So yeah, I love the idea of him running CIA or at least having the power to declassify.

00:43:36.160 And last thing I'll say, if Trump gets elected, it's absolutely essential that a tool of permanent

00:43:43.460 Washington doesn't take a job like CIA director.

00:43:46.680 Like you need to have someone who cares about the country more than the federal agency.

00:43:51.380 That's absolutely essential.

00:43:52.640 And the people I see in the running for CIA director, you know, some of whom I like and

00:43:57.220 I know them all, but you know, they're people who absolutely don't think you have a right

00:44:01.380 to know what your government is doing, who would continue to hide basic facts.

00:44:05.640 Mike Pompeo, when he was CIA director, plotted an assassination of Julian Assange.

00:44:10.960 That's a fact.

00:44:12.000 He plotted the assassination.

00:44:13.720 Now he's a federal appointee.

00:44:15.140 Julian Assange hadn't even been charged with a crime in the United States.

00:44:18.240 You are not allowed to murder people in my name with my money.

00:44:23.200 That's a crime.

00:44:24.040 Of course, he's never going to be indicted for it.

00:44:25.520 He should be today.

00:44:26.740 He never will be.

00:44:27.960 But we didn't even know that.

00:44:29.660 There's so much stuff that we don't know.

00:44:30.860 We have a right to know.

00:44:31.540 This is our government.

00:44:32.720 It does not belong to Mike Pompeo or to Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or anybody.

00:44:37.780 It belongs to all of us.

00:44:39.280 That's what democracy is.

00:44:40.460 And if we allow this to continue, then let's just stop calling it democracy.

00:44:46.560 Let's just call it the autocracy that it demonstrably is.

00:44:48.920 That's I mean, that's my view.

00:44:51.040 All right.

00:44:51.540 Now, speaking of Trump, I got to ask you about him.

00:44:53.820 They almost killed him since the last time you and I spoke on the air and you did a wonderful

00:45:00.820 job at the Republican National Convention.

00:45:02.760 I said I said even before you came on that you were the best one.

00:45:05.980 I love that you spoke extemporaneously without notes from the heart.

00:45:09.280 It's so much better than these scripted speeches, which are just so painful to listen to.

00:45:13.140 No matter how compelling the figure is, it's like, just talk to me.

00:45:15.880 Talk to me like a human.

00:45:16.780 But most people are incapable of doing it.

00:45:18.460 So hats off.

00:45:19.280 But one of the things you said was that you believe Trump had changed in the wake of that

00:45:24.700 horrible event.

00:45:26.160 And then Trump got out there himself and said, well, here's Trump shortly thereafter in SOT

00:45:34.400 17.

00:45:35.840 It'd be nice.

00:45:36.620 They all say, I think he's changed.

00:45:39.560 I think he's changed since two weeks ago.

00:45:42.560 Something affected him.

00:45:44.460 No, I haven't changed.

00:45:45.980 Maybe I've gotten worse, actually, because I get angry at the incompetence that I witness

00:45:50.960 every single day, the way millions of people are pouring into our country.

00:45:59.780 What do you make of that?

00:46:02.160 He just cracks me up.

00:46:04.060 I mean, I just should say with the caveat that I I'm charmed by Trump.

00:46:07.000 Personally, I like Trump.

00:46:08.200 I can't help myself.

00:46:09.700 He just makes me laugh.

00:46:10.820 But, you know, I would just I was just noting the obvious, which is you can't go through

00:46:18.420 something like that without being changed.

00:46:20.200 I've never been shot.

00:46:21.220 But, you know, like every person I've been through, every person who makes it to his or

00:46:25.420 her 50s goes through like unexpected events.

00:46:27.720 Well, that's kind of shocking.

00:46:29.180 And at first, you know, you think, well, I'm fine.

00:46:31.500 I'm totally the same person.

00:46:32.480 And then over time, you realize, no, that that really that changed me.

00:46:36.040 That changed my perceptions of things, my assumptions about things, my reaction to things.

00:46:40.580 I'm thinking thoughts I had never thought before.

00:46:42.580 I mean, it's just it just kind of inevitable.

00:46:45.240 And, you know, nobody could go through that without being changed.

00:46:48.620 How will he be changed?

00:46:51.020 You know, my sense at the convention, just because I talked to him every day when I was

00:46:55.320 there, was that he was thinking a lot more about eternal questions, which I think is

00:47:00.200 really important for all of us to be brooding on every day personally.

00:47:03.580 But I think he was thinking about that more.

00:47:05.480 How will it change him long term?

00:47:07.000 I don't know.

00:47:07.640 But I can just say, again, I've never been shot or anything like that.

00:47:10.940 But every traumatic, unexpected thing that's ever happened to me, things I didn't want

00:47:15.280 to happen, including getting fired a bunch, they've all been great.

00:47:19.220 Like, it's good for you.

00:47:21.060 It's good for you to have your cage rattled.

00:47:23.700 I think it's been great for me.

00:47:25.420 I can tell you that.

00:47:27.080 Yeah.

00:47:27.700 I mean, I think he's right when it comes to the political fight, right?

00:47:31.380 It's like, how can he be super sweet and nice when they're calling him Hitler?

00:47:36.840 They're calling him a racist every day, a misogynist every day.

00:47:39.820 This is this from the Democratic National Convention.

00:47:41.680 This is from the nice people, Michelle Obama.

00:47:44.220 He's a racist.

00:47:45.280 He's a misogynist.

00:47:46.220 But it's really important to be respectful.

00:47:48.180 Same person, same speech.

00:47:50.420 Right.

00:47:50.860 So I personally don't see how Trump is nice in trying to win the presidency.

00:47:55.580 No one is.

00:47:56.860 This is not a situation where niceness wins.

00:47:59.040 And that leads me to my last question, which is a lot of Republicans are starting to feel

00:48:02.700 a little blue, maybe less blue today than they were a week ago, because I think you can feel

00:48:08.200 the bloom coming off the Kamala Rose, you know, like she was anointed and she was a second coming.

00:48:13.100 And now it's kind of like, well, it's not just the betting odds, but the polls are starting

00:48:16.640 to correct, too.

00:48:17.780 And it's a very, very tight race.

00:48:18.980 And you heard Michelle, Barack, everybody's starting to say that now, encouraging their

00:48:22.340 base to get out.

00:48:22.980 But for Republicans who are feeling down because they were soaring when he was against the declared

00:48:28.880 Democratic nominee, the one who was actually voted on, and now things have shifted.

00:48:33.800 What say you?

00:48:34.740 How do you how do you see this thing going from over the next 70 days?

00:48:37.460 Well, I think the the outcome is unknown.

00:48:39.860 I mean, I think you summed it up really well.

00:48:42.020 You know, you can't know what is really close or all kinds of other factors that, you know,

00:48:46.960 no one wants to talk about including me, but, you know, you've got a totally different population

00:48:50.460 by over 10 million people from the one you had in 2020.

00:48:55.920 So that's kind of hanging in the air.

00:48:58.080 Will these non-citizens here legally breaking our laws yet fully federally subsidized?

00:49:03.120 Will they be able to vote?

00:49:04.680 You know, I don't know the answer.

00:49:05.900 I certainly hope not.

00:49:06.760 Um, so I don't know.

00:49:09.280 I'm, you know, I'm praying for a return to a country that's defined by justice, fairness

00:49:15.160 and civil liberties.

00:49:15.980 I definitely am praying for that every day.

00:49:18.640 But I so I don't want to pass the question.

00:49:20.880 I just don't know the answer.

00:49:21.880 But I would say it's really important to remember is you're outwardly focused that what matters

00:49:28.500 first and foremost is how the people around you are doing.

00:49:31.360 You know, the people you love that you come into contact with every day, if you're blessed

00:49:35.100 enough to have children and a spouse, them, but everyone has relatives, everyone has co-workers,

00:49:40.180 everyone has friends or people they care about.

00:49:42.080 How are they doing?

00:49:43.320 I do think that's so important.

00:49:44.620 We kind of externalize a lot of our lives.

00:49:48.500 Like I meet people all the time who are way more pissed about what's happening politically

00:49:53.420 on both sides than they are about like a nephew who's got a drug addiction or whatever,

00:49:58.620 or about a bad marriage that they're in.

00:50:00.160 What matters is how actual people are doing, beginning with the people in your orbit.

00:50:07.220 And so I just think in general, it's especially during election season, it's really important

00:50:12.120 to remember that.

00:50:13.120 And I see political extremists, most of them on the left, not entirely, but mostly who

00:50:17.920 externalize to such an extent that they're way more worried about the climate or Donald

00:50:23.780 Trump or Darfur or Palestine than they are about actual people.

00:50:28.980 And that is a sin.

00:50:30.400 Like we're required to care about actual people, beginning with the ones put in our path for

00:50:36.180 a reason, like people around you for a reason, actually.

00:50:40.860 And just remember that.

00:50:42.660 And so before you fret about politics, try and serve someone next to you, not a theoretical

00:50:49.320 person in a faraway place, but the kind of annoying, complicated person you're not getting

00:50:54.360 along with right next to you.

00:50:56.260 I got to leave it at that because we're out of time, Tucker.

00:50:58.320 So great to see you.

00:50:59.720 And more.

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00:52:21.200 We're going to spend a little time on Last Night at the DNC.

00:52:24.500 Joining me now, Monica Crowley.

00:52:25.800 She's host of the Monica Crowley Podcast and former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury

00:52:30.680 and Hogan Gidley, former Trump National Press Secretary and Vice Chair of the Center for

00:52:36.440 Election Integrity.

00:52:38.740 Great to have you both here.

00:52:40.260 Thank you so much for coming on.

00:52:42.140 All right.

00:52:42.540 So Tim Walz was the big keynote speaker last night.

00:52:46.880 I'll give you a little flavor for how he sounded.

00:52:50.520 Sot2 to kick it off.

00:52:51.880 I wound up teaching social studies and coaching football at Mankato West High School.

00:53:01.060 Go Scarlets.

00:53:03.540 But it was those players and my students who inspired me to run for Congress.

00:53:09.260 So there I was, a 40-something high school teacher with little kids, zero political experience,

00:53:17.360 and no money running in a deep red district.

00:53:22.840 But you know what?

00:53:25.060 Never underestimate a public school teacher.

00:53:28.720 Never.

00:53:30.820 What do you guys make of it?

00:53:32.040 Monica, welcome back to the show.

00:53:33.200 Let me start with you.

00:53:34.740 Hi, Megan.

00:53:35.580 It's so good to be back with you and to see my good friend Hogan Gidley on here today.

00:53:40.860 Look, my impression last night, first of all, they're taking all of the main speakers

00:53:45.520 and they're pushing them well past 11 p.m. Eastern time, which is a huge strategic mistake

00:53:51.000 when it comes to communications, because you want your main speaker speaking in prime time.

00:53:55.880 That's number one.

00:53:56.940 Number two, they have taken the most radical vice president in American history

00:54:01.640 and paired her with the most radical choice for her running mate in U.S. history.

00:54:07.140 This is by far the most radical ticket.

00:54:09.580 And what they, I think, have done a very good job this week is whitewashing both of them.

00:54:13.820 And we'll get more of that tonight with Kamala Harris.

00:54:16.480 But in terms of Tim Walz, he's trying to whitewash his background by trying to portray himself

00:54:21.400 as an average American, an average American dad, sort of the paternal kind of symbolism

00:54:27.400 that goes along with it.

00:54:28.940 I was a coach.

00:54:29.680 I'm a father.

00:54:30.760 Loved my country, et cetera.

00:54:32.200 And that's all to be expected.

00:54:33.960 But it's all sort of wrapped into a bigger narrative, Megan, that's wholly untrue.

00:54:39.260 When he talks about how he had zero experience in politics and really wanted to run for office,

00:54:45.300 what he doesn't tell you is he actually left his army unit that was being sent to Iraq.

00:54:51.680 He abandoned them because he wanted a political career.

00:54:55.380 There are details like that that are not included.

00:54:58.020 And obviously, anybody standing before a convention is going to want to put the best gloss on themselves.

00:55:03.200 But there are so many missing elements to his story.

00:55:07.260 And I think the American people are going to learn more and more about Tim Walz and how

00:55:11.240 absolutely radical he is, which makes him the perfect running mate for Kamala Harris.

00:55:15.880 But it has very little to nothing to do with a man he portrayed himself as last night.

00:55:21.480 You know, Hogan, it was weird for me because I saw him get up there and I saw his kids crying

00:55:27.420 and clapping for him and it was touching.

00:55:30.240 It was sweet, you know, in the same way I thought it was sweet when Ashley Biden and

00:55:34.040 Joe Biden hugged and he cried when he hugged his daughter.

00:55:37.440 Like those human moments, they do tug at the heartstrings.

00:55:40.820 You'd be inhuman not to feel it.

00:55:42.520 And yet when he started speaking, all I could think was, it's very nice that your children

00:55:47.140 support you and I'm happy for you that you have this beautiful family.

00:55:50.220 However, you're literally making it as easy as possible for healthy kids to chop off their

00:55:56.580 healthy body parts and sterilize themselves for life away from their loving parents as

00:56:01.780 your state allows for custodial hearings that yank them out of their loving homes so your

00:56:07.180 Minnesota doctors can chop them up.

00:56:09.500 I stopped feeling warm and fuzzy about that point.

00:56:14.100 No question.

00:56:15.440 And our friend Michael Knowles, I think, characterized it after he went through everything that Tim

00:56:19.700 Waltz had done to children in his state is Minnesota being the windowless white van of

00:56:24.600 the Midwest, kind of showcasing all the problems.

00:56:27.580 He's so good about giving you the images.

00:56:29.200 It was so funny.

00:56:30.700 But interestingly enough, Kamala Harris wishes she could do all of the things that Tim Waltz

00:56:37.420 actually did in Minnesota.

00:56:39.800 So all the radical checkboxes that she talks about, Tim actually did those things in his

00:56:46.740 state.

00:56:47.920 And 15 minutes was all we got from him.

00:56:50.980 I tweeted after, wait, that's it?

00:56:52.780 That's all we got?

00:56:54.280 Because I kept waiting for him to kind of wrap in all the things they wanted to do or

00:56:57.820 all the ways they were going to improve our lives or at least promise to.

00:57:01.180 What we didn't hear was this whole notion that his flannel is going to somehow wrap around

00:57:09.320 the nation and warm us all in our hearts and do so much good for us.

00:57:14.100 This Midwestern values and the thought that he could use his Midwestern bona fides to get

00:57:20.160 more votes for her.

00:57:22.320 No one in the Midwest thinks it's OK to mandate putting tampons into boys' bathrooms in high

00:57:28.760 school.

00:57:29.440 No one in the Midwest thinks it's OK to use taxpayer dollars to give illegal aliens free

00:57:36.440 health care or free college tuition.

00:57:39.900 No one in the Midwest thinks it's OK to set up a snitch line during COVID.

00:57:44.020 So if you see your neighbor doing something outside of their home, call the government.

00:57:47.900 And then on top of that, he sends in the National Guard to shoot paintballs at people

00:57:52.520 standing on their front porch.

00:57:54.100 So all this freedom he's talking about obviously doesn't exist in his state unless you want

00:58:00.440 the freedom to burn down the city.

00:58:02.800 Then it's OK, because had those people on the front porch with the video we've seen of

00:58:06.740 being fired upon by National Guard troops in Minnesota, had those people just waved their

00:58:10.960 heads and said, no, no, we're part of BLM.

00:58:13.000 We're going downtown to burn down the city.

00:58:15.320 They would have said, sure, right this way.

00:58:16.900 Go ahead.

00:58:17.380 This whole week is problematic messaging for their side because they are the ones in charge

00:58:24.920 and have been in control of this government now for four years.

00:58:28.160 And they act like they can fix it all when they're the ones who broke it.

00:58:32.360 And if they have the prescriptions to fix it, they're waiting five months to do so while

00:58:36.340 you let the people suffer.

00:58:37.880 The whole thing is a scam.

00:58:40.020 And I think after this is all said and done, it will be a messaging war to the finish and

00:58:44.060 defining who this ticket is, the most radical in history.

00:58:46.900 She is more radical than Joe Biden and less likable, will be incumbent upon the Trump

00:58:51.540 campaign to do just that.

00:58:53.960 You know, what's so dark is like the whole mind your own damn business.

00:58:56.540 And by the way, I'm from upstate New York.

00:58:58.160 That's where I spent all my formative years in Syracuse and Albany.

00:59:01.280 And it's very Midwestern in its in its tenor, in its culture.

00:59:05.120 We have a lot in common with our friends of the Midwest.

00:59:07.580 And if if if they had any idea in a place like upstate New York that they were that their

00:59:14.520 government was pushing the kind of things that the Biden Harris administration is pushing

00:59:17.940 and that the Harris Walls administration is going to push, they would run, run to vote

00:59:22.400 Republican.

00:59:23.080 One of the things that's gone under the radar and it's really bothering me because they're

00:59:26.440 like, mind your own damn business, mind your own.

00:59:28.000 Yes, that does appeal as a message.

00:59:29.660 But what they mean is when I send a boy into your daughter's locker room naked, then then

00:59:35.920 into her sport so he can win and she can't mind your own damn business.

00:59:39.700 Keep your mouth shut.

00:59:40.500 But that's none of your business as a parent.

00:59:43.000 Stay out of it.

00:59:43.860 And if you don't believe me, we talked a lot on the show about Title nine and the crazy

00:59:48.400 revisions that Biden Harris just pushed through.

00:59:50.560 And thank God the U.S. Supreme Court has has stayed them for now because there's been so

00:59:54.880 many legal challenges because it's totally unconstitutional.

00:59:57.140 But at the same time, Monica, what the Biden Harris administration did was they went to the

01:00:01.660 EEOC and they said for all corporations, you need to make sure that any man who wants to

01:00:08.020 use the women's bathroom at work is able to and you need to make sure everybody in your

01:00:13.580 office place is using the preferred pronouns of whatever trans person declares themselves

01:00:19.260 to be in your workplace.

01:00:20.120 So it is mandated government speech, which is totally unconstitutional.

01:00:25.240 And I'll tell you right now, I'm my own boss.

01:00:27.740 But if I were ever working in a place where they tried to make me call a man a female and

01:00:31.920 refer to him as she her, I wouldn't.

01:00:34.980 And I'd take my case all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court.

01:00:37.660 But that's the sort of, quote, freedom this ticket is talking about.

01:00:42.880 Yeah.

01:00:43.420 And you know what, Megan Orwell really warned about this about 100 years ago, right?

01:00:48.020 When he wrote Animal Farm in 1984 and he based those books are warnings.

01:00:53.680 They're based on the totalitarian systems of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.

01:00:58.420 And again, they're meant to be warnings.

01:01:00.440 They're not meant to be instruction manuals.

01:01:03.120 And yet here we are.

01:01:04.140 So what they do in this Orwellian twist is they completely upend the narrative and they

01:01:10.580 completely upend the language.

01:01:13.140 This is what all dictatorships do.

01:01:15.300 We're in a tyranny right now.

01:01:16.740 I hope everybody really understands what we're up against here.

01:01:20.300 But what you're describing, Megan, is a critical part of it.

01:01:23.760 This has been a rolling Marxist revolution for a long time.

01:01:26.900 And the gender agenda that you describe, and I know you feel so passionately about it,

01:01:31.880 like all of us do, you have children, so many of us have kids, grandkids, whatever the case

01:01:36.760 might be.

01:01:37.260 This is a cornerstone of cultural Marxism.

01:01:40.620 It is about smashing the nuclear family and having the government step in as literally

01:01:47.360 everything, your family, your job, your community, your spiritual nourishment.

01:01:52.740 That's what it is.

01:01:54.420 But the gender part of this is a critical element of this kind of cultural Marxism.

01:01:59.680 Then they take the language, as you've heard all week, and they got the big slogans, freedom.

01:02:05.000 They are the most anti-freedom people that we've ever seen at the top of our government.

01:02:10.280 You can call them communists, you can call them Marxists, you can call them globalists,

01:02:14.720 whatever label, the result is the same, that they are delivering this kind of tyrannical

01:02:20.580 system of government and messaging and control over your life to an extent that we have never

01:02:27.860 seen in America.

01:02:29.260 And I'll tell you this, Megan, this has been going on for almost a century, that this project

01:02:34.580 to infiltrate and undermine and destroy the United States from within, which is why when

01:02:41.280 you hear people say this is the most important election of our lifetimes, that's true.

01:02:46.000 But this is why, because everything feels accelerated, that the whole vibe, the whole

01:02:51.960 energy in the country is off.

01:02:54.720 Whether you're a believer or not, people just sense that something is not right here.

01:03:00.080 And it's because these revolutionaries are in their endgame.

01:03:04.580 And because they did their long march through the institutions, which is what the communists

01:03:09.380 called it, not what I call it, long march through the institutions, they now control

01:03:14.000 the government, academia, news media, the culture, movies, television, music, and now

01:03:20.380 big tech.

01:03:21.140 They literally control all of the levers of power and the flow of information.

01:03:25.480 So when they talk about freedom, they're relying on big tech and the news media and Hollywood

01:03:30.740 to amplify that lie.

01:03:32.880 It's a complete inversion of the language.

01:03:36.180 And they're hoping enough people fall for it that will get them across the finish line.

01:03:41.620 We have examples of this every day.

01:03:44.060 Hogan, let me bring it to you.

01:03:45.920 Just today, we have Judy Woodruff on PBS.

01:03:50.080 This was yesterday.

01:03:50.900 She did it, but it's in the news this morning.

01:03:52.200 Going out there and actually having the nerve to report on the air that Donald Trump is trying

01:03:59.940 to stop a negotiated ceasefire in Israel, in Gaza, because he doesn't want a win on the

01:04:09.780 record that might help Kamala Harris.

01:04:11.940 Listen to Judy Woodruff.

01:04:13.660 The reporting is that former President Trump is on the phone with the prime minister of

01:04:20.740 Israel, urging him not to cut a deal right now because it's believed that would help the

01:04:28.080 Harris campaign.

01:04:28.920 So, um, I don't know, uh, where, where that, I don't know, who knows whether that will come

01:04:35.660 about or not, but I have to think that, um, the Harris campaign would like for president

01:04:41.520 Biden to, to do what president to do, which is work on that one.

01:04:46.320 That was so grossly irresponsible.

01:04:50.580 It led to NetYahu's office directly issuing a statement, calling that a complete lie.

01:04:57.040 Um, then she tried to blame it on Axios and Reuters.

01:05:03.340 She comes out in an apology, quote unquote, yesterday via X.

01:05:06.880 I want to clarify, clarify.

01:05:09.120 No, the word you're looking for is retract, retract and apologize.

01:05:13.760 Not there's not a clarification.

01:05:15.140 That's an ass covering word.

01:05:17.720 My remarks on the PBS news special on Monday about the ongoing ceasefire talks in the Middle

01:05:21.960 East.

01:05:22.320 As I said, this was, this was not based on my original reporting.

01:05:26.540 I was referring to reports I had read in Axios and Reuters about former president trunk, Trump

01:05:31.280 having spoken to the Israeli prime minister in the live TV moment.

01:05:35.240 I repeated the story because I hadn't seen later reporting that both sides denied it.

01:05:39.100 If this was a mistake, I apologize for it.

01:05:42.500 But here's the thing.

01:05:43.380 We've gone back.

01:05:44.980 We've tried to find the Axios and Reuters report on which she allegedly based this misinformation,

01:05:50.660 and we have been unable to do so.

01:05:54.240 Now, Axios has only an updated report in which they say a call took place between Trump and

01:06:00.220 Netanyahu.

01:06:00.780 And their updated report says Netanyahu office didn't office denies the call and they actually

01:06:08.140 report in this thing that the call was intended by Trump to encourage Netanyahu to take the deal.

01:06:14.300 It has exactly the opposite intent and message and substance of what she reported.

01:06:19.720 Reuters, as far as we can see, only had a report that cited the Axios report, not any of its own

01:06:27.180 original reporting.

01:06:28.760 Now, does that mean there never was one?

01:06:31.280 And Axios, you know, maybe they they they clarified and they scrubbed their earlier report.

01:06:37.080 I haven't seen that.

01:06:38.180 And I've on line directly asked both Axios and Reuters for clarification, because if they're

01:06:44.120 to blame, they should raise their hands and say, we we screwed it up, too.

01:06:46.900 So far, they haven't.

01:06:48.360 So but the point is these mistakes only ever run in one direction, Hogan, and that is to

01:06:54.060 make Donald Trump look bad.

01:06:56.200 Right.

01:06:56.500 I'm so glad you put it that way, because we used to always talk about the algorithms and

01:07:00.600 the failures of big tech.

01:07:01.800 They never cut in favor of our side.

01:07:04.440 It's always against us.

01:07:05.480 Listen, the Biden debate really exposed the media in a way that I don't think they've really

01:07:11.240 been laid this bare in a long time.

01:07:13.580 This is more than a hatred for Donald Trump or a biased against Donald Trump.

01:07:18.260 This is now an investment in Kamala Harris.

01:07:21.460 They're protecting her because they don't want her to be exposed.

01:07:24.460 And then they themselves be exposed again for lying about her.

01:07:30.040 Remember, this is the same media that said the Russia collusion was real, that the Hunter

01:07:34.140 Biden laptop and the Ashley Biden diary were fake.

01:07:37.100 The same media that said behind the scenes, Joe Biden's really a triathlete.

01:07:40.540 You just don't see it, of course.

01:07:42.340 This is the same media that told us, hey, by the way, Kamala Harris should really be off

01:07:47.320 this ticket.

01:07:48.000 She's a drag on the ticket.

01:07:49.260 No one likes her.

01:07:50.140 The staffs are at war.

01:07:51.160 They don't they don't respect her.

01:07:52.840 She berates her staff.

01:07:53.740 She's horrible.

01:07:54.460 Now they're saying she's the best vice president ever and would be the best president ever.

01:07:59.760 The media's decline is so obvious because they do things like this all of the time.

01:08:06.960 And I'll give you just one quick story about myself here in Washington, D.C.

01:08:10.620 I got invited to something that they have all the time.

01:08:13.320 And I walked in the room and I remember seeing people in the room, a lot of journalists.

01:08:17.440 And one of them was largely responsible for the Russia collusion lie.

01:08:22.500 He was getting back slapped and handshake handshakes all over the room.

01:08:29.960 And people are looking at me like I'm the jerk.

01:08:32.160 And I'm thinking this is the guy who did who took y'all on all the wrong journeys, who gave

01:08:37.820 you all the wrong information that you parroted and now has ruined your reputation.

01:08:41.460 And somehow I'm the one who's persona non grata in the room.

01:08:44.920 Not that I care because it's the media elite.

01:08:47.920 But the point is, the American people are now on to this, that in large part, as I like

01:08:53.300 to say, the media's popularity is between Congress and COVID because they continue to lie to us

01:08:57.760 all of the time.

01:08:58.640 And running with stories like this, they don't care if it's not true.

01:09:03.080 They just want it in the ether so that it's reported many times.

01:09:07.160 It's retweeted.

01:09:08.420 And so that that's what sits in people's mind.

01:09:11.140 So at the very least, it kind of makes those middle of the road voters waver a little bit,

01:09:16.480 whether they know it's true or not doesn't matter.

01:09:18.480 And they don't get punished for it.

01:09:19.540 They don't get fired for it.

01:09:20.620 They get awards for it.

01:09:22.080 So there is no incentive to stop that behavior.

01:09:24.180 Mm hmm.

01:09:25.340 No, exactly right.

01:09:26.180 And if as long as they're bashing Trump, they're in good standing with their elite cocktail

01:09:31.320 party circles.

01:09:32.640 That's really the only sure all quote mistakes will be forgiven.

01:09:36.500 All, you know, malpractice as a journalist will be forgiven.

01:09:40.600 Just as long as it hurt Trump, your heart was in the right place.

01:09:44.220 There's a Washington Post report out today talking about how we really need to examine Joe

01:09:51.320 Biden's health like he really did need to step down.

01:09:53.620 And after having seen him on Monday night, the Washington Post editorial board is now

01:09:58.360 seeing the light.

01:09:59.600 Oh, really?

01:10:00.400 Now you really are?

01:10:01.940 Because here's what they here's what they tweeted out.

01:10:04.880 Here it is.

01:10:05.580 Hold on a second.

01:10:06.140 The opinion by the editorial board is Joe Biden's DNC speech shows the wisdom of him stepping

01:10:12.600 aside.

01:10:13.660 Now they're starting to see it.

01:10:15.120 But here they are.

01:10:15.800 So wise.

01:10:16.820 Just last month.

01:10:18.080 OK, just last month.

01:10:19.100 Here's this is June 15th.

01:10:22.700 Cheap fake Biden videos enrapture right wing media, but deeply mislead.

01:10:28.880 And this it goes on to read as follows.

01:10:31.160 A particularly effective attack on a political candidate can come in the form of a video snippet

01:10:35.080 that appears to reinforce an existing stereotype.

01:10:37.080 The social media feed of the RNC regularly churns out misleading clips of President Biden.

01:10:43.080 Eighty one intended to show that he is too old for the job.

01:10:47.640 So misleading.

01:10:48.960 And yet now that he's out and she's doing well in the polls, it's a totally different opinion.

01:10:55.100 Monica there.

01:10:56.300 They see it very differently.

01:10:57.760 Now he really needed to go.

01:10:59.940 By the way, here's another thing.

01:11:02.060 In May of twenty twenty three, they had an opinion piece in WAPO.

01:11:06.340 Joe Biden's 80 at his age.

01:11:08.240 Should he be running in twenty twenty four by the editorial board?

01:11:11.220 What's the right way to think about his unique situation?

01:11:13.480 First, voters need to maintain a sense of perspective.

01:11:15.420 Don't compare me to the almighty.

01:11:16.700 He always says compare me to the alternative.

01:11:18.800 He's got a point, particularly if the alternative is four more years of Mr.

01:11:23.720 Trump.

01:11:24.040 Mr. Biden's physicians have declared him credibly in good physical and mental shape relative to

01:11:30.600 his years.

01:11:31.420 So we're all good to go.

01:11:33.320 And now today, yeah, second thought he really needed to go.

01:11:40.840 Yeah, I mean, it would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic and frankly dangerous to

01:11:45.840 the health of our republic, Megan, what you just laid out.

01:11:49.040 Look, they all knew that he was essentially senile back in twenty twenty.

01:11:53.160 They protected him because of his age and because of covid.

01:11:56.660 They allowed him to run his campaign from the basement.

01:12:00.180 But, you know, here's a bigger point.

01:12:01.680 The imperial media, as President Nixon called them.

01:12:04.740 And I love that phrase.

01:12:06.000 The imperial media.

01:12:07.600 Yeah.

01:12:07.980 Right.

01:12:08.280 With no checks or balances on them, unlike a presidency, which has a million checks and

01:12:13.720 balances on on the presidency.

01:12:15.780 But the imperial media has always been biased to the left.

01:12:19.500 The difference in the Trump era is that the level of activism and intensity has gone off

01:12:27.360 the charts.

01:12:27.960 So whereas they always had an agenda and they always had some bias to them.

01:12:32.720 Now they are the enforcement arm of the propaganda of the system, not just the Democrat

01:12:38.920 Party, not just the left, but the system, the security state, law enforcement, et cetera.

01:12:44.360 You know, sort of the dark, shadowy powers that actually run this country.

01:12:47.660 They are the propaganda enforcement arm for them.

01:12:51.440 So they will flat out lie.

01:12:53.580 They will not pursue stories if they're inconvenient or damaging to their side, to the overall

01:12:59.360 narrative and the overall movement of the country toward this kind of leftist cliff that

01:13:05.740 we're being driven off of now.

01:13:08.080 You know, I remember President Nixon and he was my very first boss in his last years, Megan.

01:13:12.980 And I remember him saying to me, you know, they will, they will try to protect Democrats

01:13:18.980 at all costs, but they will never straight up ignore a story.

01:13:23.400 And this was in the context of sort of Bill Clinton and the early days of Whitewater and

01:13:28.540 before Monica Lewinsky.

01:13:30.440 And he was saying they'll never ignore a story because they want the ratings, they want the

01:13:35.000 eyeballs, they want their papers being sold.

01:13:37.800 So they'll always in the end go for the story.

01:13:40.600 That's no longer true.

01:13:41.740 They will not do that.

01:13:43.280 They will bury stories.

01:13:44.640 We saw with the Russia hoax, they'll amplify lies.

01:13:47.700 They're being fed by the CIA.

01:13:49.340 They're being fed by the FBI.

01:13:50.980 And they just take the stories and run with them.

01:13:53.360 They don't question them.

01:13:54.880 And in fact, they're not stupid people.

01:13:57.340 They're activists.

01:13:58.220 So they know very well that what they're being fed is part of a narrative and they don't

01:14:03.500 care.

01:14:04.020 There's not now there are exceptions to the world.

01:14:05.740 They got so burned by those Hillary emails.

01:14:08.260 They were like, oh, and they were never, we're never helping a Republican get elected again.

01:14:11.240 Heaven forbid.

01:14:12.620 And the point she's making, Hogan, about the media and the way they're running cover here

01:14:15.940 and talking about this convention, like, oh, my God, no fact checking whatsoever.

01:14:19.740 I talked about this yesterday.

01:14:20.900 Those three women who got up there to talk about their abortions and the one girl at the

01:14:24.820 end who was like, you know, God love her.

01:14:27.000 She was the victim of incest under Donald Trump.

01:14:29.640 I would have had to have the baby.

01:14:31.920 He's made clear umpteen times that he's in favor of exceptions.

01:14:36.900 He's not even for the early bans that people like DeSantis are pushing.

01:14:40.500 But put that to the side.

01:14:41.560 He's made clear from the beginning he would always include an exception for rape, incest

01:14:46.200 or health of the mother, life of the mother.

01:14:48.080 He has said that anyway.

01:14:49.560 No fact check going there.

01:14:50.780 So the the reason they're so rabid about protecting her now her and going after Trump is because

01:14:59.120 this is how they think.

01:15:00.040 Listen to Nancy Pelosi.

01:15:01.800 The Trump war room actually just tweeted this out.

01:15:04.300 Listen to her.

01:15:05.780 It can't tell which media outlet she's on here, but we'll see it in the clip.

01:15:09.280 This is the stakes, according to Nancy.

01:15:10.620 We have to defeat a person who is a threat to our democracy of the kind that we have

01:15:18.700 not seen at the beginning of our country.

01:15:23.120 Thomas Paine said the times have found us to declare war, establish a new nation.

01:15:30.320 Abraham Lincoln took up that charge to keep our country together years later, decades later.

01:15:35.980 And now the times have found us to save our democracy.

01:15:39.260 That is what we are here to do.

01:15:42.500 It's a Thomas Paine moment.

01:15:44.420 He's the British crown.

01:15:46.080 And I guess the Democrats are the revolutionaries.

01:15:49.560 Yeah, Democrats always accuse Republicans of things they themselves are guilty of actually

01:15:55.700 doing.

01:15:56.440 You'll remember the person from the stage.

01:15:58.400 I don't remember what state she's from.

01:16:00.220 I don't remember what office she holds.

01:16:01.540 But I remember they made fun of her because the way she used her tongue during her speech.

01:16:05.860 But there you go.

01:16:08.300 But she was saying, can you imagine if Trump gets elected?

01:16:12.420 He's going to he could use the FBI to go after political opponents.

01:16:16.240 He could weaponize the DOJ and go after us.

01:16:19.980 And all the tweets are like, who's going to tell her like this is exactly what you guys

01:16:23.180 are doing.

01:16:24.040 Someone like Nancy Pelosi understands that.

01:16:27.360 And as you said, the media doesn't check her.

01:16:30.220 They don't ask a tough question.

01:16:31.740 They don't ask a follow up because they don't care about truth.

01:16:36.240 The incuriosity of the media today is fascinating to me.

01:16:41.080 And I used to be a journalist.

01:16:42.220 I was an anchor and reporter years ago in some small markets around this country.

01:16:46.280 And, you know, I was taught by a Marxist, atheist professor in college.

01:16:51.820 And if you put an editorialized word in the story, he failed you.

01:16:55.240 There was no question about it because he cared so much about what he would call the sanctity

01:16:59.620 of journalism and the sanctity of the written word.

01:17:01.980 They don't care about this anymore.

01:17:03.040 When you have politicians like Nancy Pelosi, who have now been exposed as frauds themselves,

01:17:09.180 no one's going to ask her about the stock genius that she is, how she's raking in millions

01:17:13.540 of dollars, suspiciously timing all of those great stock buys where no one else has that

01:17:18.480 kind of information.

01:17:19.940 This is just another in a long line of failures by the media and by Democrat politicians.

01:17:25.000 And they won't ever hold the left accountable for it.

01:17:28.660 And I think that's what's so frustrating.

01:17:30.680 It's a good window into how they think.

01:17:32.340 Like when you hear it's the welfare, it's the welfare line.

01:17:35.960 Let me give you one crazy pills.

01:17:37.940 Here's another one.

01:17:40.000 Trump had a moment at one of his route.

01:17:41.880 He did his first outdoor rally yesterday since he was shot, which takes guts.

01:17:47.860 I would not do it.

01:17:49.920 It's much easier for people to be screened at an indoor arena where the police, the Secret

01:17:54.880 Service can control who's coming in and who's not.

01:17:56.580 The outdoor rallies are they are more dangerous.

01:17:58.300 And one of the new security procedures is to put him in front of like a bulletproof glass

01:18:05.040 shield.

01:18:06.120 So there's two stories related to this involving the media.

01:18:08.720 Number one, a woman at the rally fainted.

01:18:12.300 Um, she, she was, I think, suffering from heat exhaustion or something.

01:18:16.720 And Trump left his protected space and went out and gave this woman a hug.

01:18:23.360 Watch this.

01:18:24.180 Sat.

01:18:25.180 29.

01:18:26.760 Stronger.

01:18:27.400 Oh, a doctor, please.

01:18:50.340 We will come.

01:18:51.720 We will come.

01:18:53.040 We will come.

01:18:54.000 There's a president in North Carolina.

01:18:57.180 Here's the Newsweek tweet on the story.

01:19:00.680 The tweet reads as follows.

01:19:02.520 Donald Trump suddenly stops rally and asks for a doctor, please.

01:19:08.100 But clearly they're trying to make it look like he is so old and infirm.

01:19:13.780 He had a medical incident.

01:19:16.380 It's a total lie.

01:19:18.960 By the way, Kamala Harris also had something like that happen at a rally.

01:19:21.620 She did not go and hug the person.

01:19:23.860 She just kept going.

01:19:24.900 And in fact, she used it to make a jab on Trump about something else.

01:19:27.960 So that this is the media like, oh, he needs a doctor.

01:19:32.780 Be beware.

01:19:33.800 And here's my second point on it.

01:19:36.160 BuzzFeed thought it was downright hilarious how Trump looked behind the bulletproof glass.

01:19:43.000 These people are sick.

01:19:45.980 Look at this.

01:19:47.120 It's not even correct grammar.

01:19:48.740 This picture of Donald Trump behind bulletproof glass is now a unintentionally hilarious new meme.

01:19:57.240 A unintentionally.

01:19:59.160 Okay.

01:19:59.600 Matt, Matt Stopers, you need to go back to English class.

01:20:02.920 That's number one.

01:20:03.680 Then you need to go to journalism class and figure out how to handle the sensitivity of a former president being shot in the head a month ago.

01:20:12.640 It's not a funny meme.

01:20:14.460 And this moron on BuzzFeed tweeted out all these stupid comments.

01:20:18.720 They're not even clever.

01:20:19.420 I'll give you a couple just so people understand what he was going for.

01:20:22.260 It's how I feel looking out the car window on a rainy day.

01:20:25.800 It's every London shower cubicle, one one use after cleaning the scorpion lollipop I bought in Arizona.

01:20:35.160 This is so stupid and insensitive, Monica.

01:20:38.900 I know we shouldn't have high standards for the media, but however high they are, they're still coming in under them.

01:20:45.120 However, however, however much you hate the propaganda press, the imperial media, it's not nearly enough.

01:20:51.440 These people are disgusting, and in many ways they're unhuman, Megan and Hogan, because there's no humanity to what they bring to their coverage.

01:21:04.100 Forget about journalistic principles.

01:21:05.780 That's long gone.

01:21:06.920 But just a basic sense of humanity in covering a person.

01:21:11.160 You don't have to vote for Donald Trump.

01:21:12.940 You don't have to like Donald Trump, but he's a human being.

01:21:15.920 He's a father.

01:21:16.860 He's a grandfather.

01:21:18.260 Okay?

01:21:18.540 He is a man who's trying to do his best to bring his country back.

01:21:22.980 And again, you don't have to agree with him, but the fact that he almost had his brains blown out on live TV five weeks ago, and these people can't bring themselves to express, you know, they don't even have to be sensitive about it.

01:21:36.040 Just don't cover it at all.

01:21:37.580 But they refuse to do it.

01:21:39.300 Some of these same people, Megan, are the ones who say, oh, it's too bad that he missed, that the shooter missed.

01:21:47.520 That this is exactly what we're talking about.

01:21:50.920 It's this unhuman mentality that goes along with every batch of revolutionaries that have come down the pike through American history.

01:21:59.560 Revolutionaries are generally impatient, and they're also killers, and they like to see their enemies dehumanized, discredited, smeared, attacked, and in some cases dead.

01:22:10.760 And unfortunately, Megan, I think that's where we are, and it's not just on the left, it's shot through the journalistic community where they're expressing this kind of stuff.

01:22:20.900 So they're not even just liars, which of course they are, but now they've taken it next level, where they're actively rooting for a former president, likely next president's death.

01:22:32.800 This is where we are, totally unhuman.

01:22:35.540 Some did, openly.

01:22:36.500 And, you know, all the questions about whether he really took a bullet, I mean, those went on and weren't apologized for.

01:22:42.140 It's just so dispiriting.

01:22:44.980 Guys, I got to run.

01:22:46.120 Thank you for being here, Monica and Hogan, to be continued.

01:22:48.400 We'll do it again soon.

01:22:50.740 And in one minute, we're going to do the other side.

01:22:53.460 We're going to come back with Democratic U.S. Representative Adam Smith of the great state of Washington.

01:22:59.060 He was one of the brave Democrats to say, I'm sorry, but Joe Biden does need to go.

01:23:06.000 We'll ask him about it next.

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01:24:10.200 Joining me now, U.S. Congressman Adam Smith, a Democrat representing Washington State's 9th District.

01:24:17.000 He is the ranking member of the House Armed Services Committee.

01:24:19.980 Representative Smith, welcome to the show.

01:24:22.800 Let's talk about what happened with the Joe Biden second term and, you know, him stepping down.

01:24:28.360 Because I will say, I noticed you were one of the first and only to come out and say,

01:24:33.100 no, these are legitimate concerns and he really does need to step down, which was very gutsy.

01:24:40.000 So what made you do that?

01:24:42.020 Well, my view is that it had to be done.

01:24:44.380 And I think it was obvious to me after that debate.

01:24:47.280 And I had concerns before, but those concerns were balanced with the idea that, yeah, I think

01:24:53.380 he could probably still do it.

01:24:54.740 After the debate, there was just no question in my mind that he could not effectively deliver

01:24:59.680 the message that my party needed to be delivered in this campaign.

01:25:03.340 And I also felt very strongly that we did have other candidates who could and that it would,

01:25:08.520 you know, we'd get better and get stronger.

01:25:10.520 And so I didn't really have any hesitation about it because it was just so clear to me

01:25:16.380 that it was the right thing to do for the Democratic Party and for the country to have

01:25:21.200 somebody else be the Democratic nominee in this year's election.

01:25:24.520 And I think that has clearly played out to be the case.

01:25:26.980 There is considerable enthusiasm around Kamala Harris and Tim Walls.

01:25:31.160 And I think now, you know, we're going to have a serious contested election.

01:25:35.320 And that's what I think the country deserved.

01:25:38.040 See, I totally agree with you.

01:25:39.280 And even though I understood that it would probably hurt, I've been open about the fact

01:25:44.200 that I'm going to vote for the Republican ticket this time around, that it would hurt

01:25:47.440 my preferred candidates of choice.

01:25:49.160 I didn't care because he just it was very obvious.

01:25:53.240 There's no way he could do another four years.

01:25:55.300 But I do have ongoing concerns about whether he can do another five months.

01:25:58.840 And when I look at the schedule he's keeping right now, which is just like a vacation,

01:26:03.080 it's one long vacation.

01:26:04.160 I have ongoing concerns about now through January.

01:26:07.640 Do you?

01:26:09.320 No, I really don't.

01:26:10.900 I mean, the president is running the country, I think, effectively.

01:26:14.220 He's got a good team around him.

01:26:15.740 And look, you know, certainly if you were president, it'd be great to get out and do,

01:26:21.180 you know, press conferences, talk to people, do rallies maybe.

01:26:24.680 But the really important job is to make sure you're, you know, working with your national

01:26:30.040 security team.

01:26:31.040 Obviously, it's an area I care a great deal about.

01:26:33.840 They are continuing to push to try to get a ceasefire in the Middle East and to stop the

01:26:38.780 war from spreading.

01:26:39.700 We're continuing to support Ukraine.

01:26:42.540 The AUKUS agreement is moving forward as we try to make sure that we can deter China.

01:26:47.380 So I think the job is getting done.

01:26:50.240 Campaigning is an entirely different thing.

01:26:53.020 It is an exhausting experience that I don't think the president was up to.

01:26:57.700 But yes, I think he can get us through where we're at now.

01:27:00.400 I think you're right.

01:27:00.960 Another five months as president.

01:27:02.920 And I see no evidence that the jobs aren't getting done that need to be done.

01:27:07.540 I hope you're right.

01:27:08.660 But my own objection is, I don't know who these people are, who's running the country.

01:27:11.880 But that's for another day.

01:27:13.580 Let's talk about the Democratic National Convention.

01:27:16.420 Kamala Harris, Tim Walz.

01:27:18.300 She hasn't done any interviews.

01:27:19.500 I mean, when you when you push for a substitute nominee, did you envision somebody who wouldn't

01:27:23.840 speak to the media at all, who wouldn't hold a single press conference, who wouldn't give

01:27:27.300 a single interview in now a month's time?

01:27:30.040 And all we have right now is a promise that by the end of the month, she will schedule one.

01:27:36.040 Yeah.

01:27:36.580 No, I think she's going to do a lot more interviews and a lot more press conferences.

01:27:39.760 What I don't think people appreciate is how unprecedented the situation is.

01:27:43.780 Even as we sit here today, Kamala Harris has been running for president for almost exactly

01:27:49.220 one month.

01:27:51.220 Usually when you're at the nominating process, the nominee has been campaigning for 18 months.

01:27:56.580 She had to consolidate the support of the Democratic Party around her in a record amount

01:28:02.720 of time.

01:28:03.580 And she had to get out there and deliver a message across the country telling people what

01:28:08.500 her vision was.

01:28:09.720 She had to get that right.

01:28:10.680 She had to build her campaign team.

01:28:12.300 So that was not the time to go out and start doing a bunch of interviews and a bunch of

01:28:16.800 press conferences.

01:28:17.460 Now, I'll make you a deal.

01:28:18.960 If a month from now is the case that she hasn't done them, yeah, well, then I think we have

01:28:24.380 something to talk about.

01:28:25.580 But I'm quite confident that as soon as we get out of the convention, that she's going

01:28:29.440 to do the interview, she's going to do the press conferences, and she's going to do what

01:28:32.820 all presidential candidates do.

01:28:34.380 And I've seen her do interviews.

01:28:36.100 I've seen her do press conferences.

01:28:37.500 I've seen her give speeches.

01:28:38.960 I think she's going to handle all of that just fine.

01:28:42.300 Well, I certainly hope you're right.

01:28:43.780 I mean, a month from now, early voting's already underway, so it's a little late.

01:28:46.700 I mean, the people in Pennsylvania who are going to go to the polls on September 16th,

01:28:49.820 they deserve to hear her pressed, cross-examined by skeptical reporters who ask her about her

01:28:55.540 flip-flops and positions, as we've only learned from campaign representatives.

01:28:58.420 What's happening now is not, as the Democratic Party likes to say, democratic.

01:29:02.460 It is not democratic.

01:29:04.480 Let's talk about some other issues that have come up.

01:29:06.860 Tim Walls has been accused of stolen valor by men who have served the country in good

01:29:12.120 faith and put everything on the line for the stars and stripes, 50 of whom just wrote a

01:29:17.200 letter demanding that he admit he lied about his rank and about his decision not to go to

01:29:24.440 Iraq, which he made knowing that his unit was about to be deployed.

01:29:29.000 So should he come out and apologize?

01:29:32.120 Those are just shameful lies.

01:29:34.020 I mean, there's so many aspects of that that are just completely dishonest.

01:29:37.740 Are you speaking of Tim Walls' lies?

01:29:38.700 No, I am talking about the accusations that are being made against him.

01:29:43.640 They are absolute lies.

01:29:45.260 To begin with, you talk about, well, I'm getting there.

01:29:47.980 Just give me a second.

01:29:49.440 To begin with, you talk about the 50 people.

01:29:51.960 I think it was 40, but whatever the number was, one of them was Ronnie Jackson, who put

01:29:57.360 on the letter that he was a rear admiral.

01:30:00.240 He was actually busted down to captain for misconduct.

01:30:04.180 So this is the credible source that we're going to.

01:30:07.520 That letter had to be changed.

01:30:09.240 There was also a whole bunch of people that claimed to be retirees from the military who

01:30:13.240 were not.

01:30:14.000 OK, but we've had guys from Tim Walls' unit on this show.

01:30:17.680 Like Tom Barron.

01:30:18.100 Yes, I understand that.

01:30:19.020 So speak to that.

01:30:20.180 What the actual facts are, he decided to run for Congress in February.

01:30:25.960 He got out of the military in May and his unit was called up in July and I believe didn't

01:30:31.740 deploy until like six months after that.

01:30:35.200 He left the guard unit specifically to run for Congress before the deployment orders came

01:30:42.640 in.

01:30:43.140 So it's just a lot.

01:30:45.500 No, he knew they were going.

01:30:46.900 They were going.

01:30:47.560 Yeah, he did.

01:30:47.660 But are you familiar with the fact that that, yes, are you familiar with the fact that there

01:30:51.280 was a senior commanding officer who went on CNN and said that they were told in the fall

01:30:55.760 of 2004 that they were going to be deployed to Iraq and he had not yet filed papers for

01:31:00.760 Congress.

01:31:01.540 This is just an incredible level of dishonesty about what he was doing.

01:31:04.700 He's a liar, too.

01:31:05.400 So I need to he you keep putting words in my mouth, which I respect you.

01:31:10.740 I like you as a reporter.

01:31:13.220 Yes.

01:31:14.040 The lies are being told about Tim Balls.

01:31:16.720 He did not get he did not get out of the National Guard because he didn't want to deploy

01:31:22.160 to claim that is an absolute lie.

01:31:25.020 One hundred percent.

01:31:25.920 Yeah, it's not that's not what the facts show, but I understand.

01:31:29.300 So you have him on record somewhere saying, oh, my God, I'm going to Iraq.

01:31:33.320 I have to run for Congress.

01:31:35.340 That's not what happened.

01:31:36.840 I'll answer you.

01:31:37.740 I'll answer you.

01:31:38.520 I'll answer you.

01:31:39.200 No, you asked me a question.

01:31:40.120 So let me answer.

01:31:40.760 There's a senior commanding officer who served with Walls who said they were briefed in the

01:31:44.740 fall of 2004 and told that they were likely to get the deployment notice at any time.

01:31:49.740 Take a listen to him, sir.

01:31:50.940 Take a listen to him.

01:31:51.660 People don't really understand the concept or the chronological events as they occur.

01:31:57.580 And I'm going to kind of start back in the fall of 2004 is what we received, my commander

01:32:04.800 and myself of the 1st Brigade 34th Infantry Division Brigade Combat Team, what's called

01:32:11.240 a notification of sourcing, which is a NOS.

01:32:13.360 We were informed that we would be alerted to go to Iraq within the next upcoming year

01:32:21.180 or time period out there.

01:32:22.920 Start preparing your team.

01:32:24.260 From that going forward, we met with the one of the 125 field artillery, introduced ourselves,

01:32:31.220 talked to them and given heads up.

01:32:32.640 This is what's happening.

01:32:34.020 We don't know a full particulars, but we will get to it.

01:32:38.320 Right.

01:32:38.540 That 125 is Walls' unit.

01:32:41.280 Right.

01:32:41.500 What is 100% a lie is to say that Tim Walls got out of the military so he wouldn't be

01:32:47.700 deployed.

01:32:48.300 That is an absolute lie.

01:32:49.920 He had served his 20 years, first of all.

01:32:52.580 Well, well, OK, you know, you don't know that you don't have any evidence of it.

01:32:57.100 So we're just going to claim that Tim Walls made the decision to get out of the military.

01:33:00.500 No, I have plenty of evidence of it.

01:33:00.520 They were told in the fall of 2004 they were going to be deployed and he didn't go.

01:33:03.680 But he had served his 20 years and he made a decision to run for Congress.

01:33:08.620 So you're going to tell me that he was like, oh, my gosh, I'm going to be deployed.

01:33:12.320 I served.

01:33:12.600 He has an absolute right at 20, 20 years in particular when you've served that much time

01:33:16.600 to retire.

01:33:17.100 Listen, you're a head Democrat on armed services.

01:33:20.600 I am.

01:33:21.000 And I'm really offending people.

01:33:22.040 So speak to the upset veterans.

01:33:23.680 Don't speak to Megyn Kelly.

01:33:24.800 This isn't my issue.

01:33:26.400 I don't like it, but it's not me raising it.

01:33:28.780 It is veterans.

01:33:29.840 You represent them on this committee.

01:33:31.840 They are upset.

01:33:33.040 They say this is completely extraordinary to leave your unit when you know they're being

01:33:38.520 deployed.

01:33:39.100 That is really, really dishonest.

01:33:40.880 There are a few.

01:33:41.920 Stop saying that, sir.

01:33:42.920 They're on the record.

01:33:43.840 You're questioning the honesty now of our men and women in uniform who've gone on the record

01:33:47.920 at great political risk to themselves.

01:33:50.120 Be respectful of them.

01:33:51.260 Can I get the words out here?

01:33:51.920 I am not questioning that.

01:33:54.420 I am questioning the notion that there is all of these people who are questioning it.

01:33:58.920 There are also a ton of people who have served with Tim Walls, who have testified to

01:34:03.120 his courage, who have said, that's not true.

01:34:05.520 That didn't happen.

01:34:06.640 So, yes, there may be a few veterans.

01:34:08.980 I don't know what their motivations are.

01:34:10.540 I don't know who they are who are saying this.

01:34:12.820 But again, let's just take a step back for one second.

01:34:16.340 The accusation that Tim Walls didn't want to deploy with his unit, and that's why he

01:34:22.080 got out, that is simply not what the facts show, all right?

01:34:26.460 That's your opinion.

01:34:27.140 The facts show that he decided to run for Congress, and he served his 20 years.

01:34:32.480 Speak to the using the rank that doesn't belong to him.

01:34:35.740 How about calling himself a retired command sergeant major?

01:34:38.060 Can you defend that?

01:34:39.640 Most absolutely.

01:34:40.940 He was promoted to be a command sergeant major.

01:34:45.460 So at one point, he served in that rank.

01:34:47.700 Now, the way it works, which is not something that people who aren't familiar with the military

01:34:51.420 would be aware of, you have to do a little bit more to be able to retire at that rank,

01:34:57.940 OK?

01:34:58.480 So it is not wrong to say that Tim Walls was a command sergeant major.

01:35:02.420 He was.

01:35:02.860 Yes, it is wrong to say that he retired at that rank, and that came out a couple of times,

01:35:09.300 and they corrected it, OK?

01:35:11.340 And you can see where, OK, he's both retired, and he was a command sergeant major, but he is

01:35:18.060 not a retired command sergeant major.

01:35:20.900 That is true.

01:35:21.980 And I think that is a very innocent mistake that does not show any desire to lie about it.

01:35:26.900 But do you know, Congressman, are you aware that he's had veterans going to his office

01:35:30.860 to say, stop doing that?

01:35:33.840 You were a provisional command sergeant.

01:35:36.180 No, he didn't.

01:35:36.840 He blew them off.

01:35:37.500 This is years ago, sir.

01:35:38.600 He did not.

01:35:39.240 He continues saying it over and over.

01:35:41.020 Here he is.

01:35:41.480 Listen to him.

01:35:42.120 This is all long after he was told by veterans to stop doing that.

01:35:46.260 It's stolen valor.

01:35:47.220 Listen, here he is.

01:35:49.040 Listen.

01:35:49.340 I'm a retired command sergeant major.

01:35:51.320 I spent 24 years in the Army National Guard.

01:35:54.380 So when you first came to Washington, you were a retired command sergeant major in the

01:35:58.740 Army National Guard, so you were drawn immediately to-

01:36:01.500 As a 24-year veteran of the National Guard and the Red Bull Division and a retired command

01:36:07.280 sergeant major.

01:36:09.460 Yeah.

01:36:10.120 The Harris website had retired command sergeant major.

01:36:13.640 They had to scrub it long after veterans had been complaining to him.

01:36:17.240 Yeah, look, I understand this line of attack, okay?

01:36:22.260 If I had Donald Trump as my nominee, I would be wanting to talk about absolutely anything

01:36:27.340 else possible.

01:36:28.260 So the veterans are their political operatives?

01:36:31.000 Well, there are a whole lot of veterans who are defending Tim Walz.

01:36:36.060 Do you think they're lying?

01:36:37.480 Do you think they're dishonorable?

01:36:38.560 No one's defending the use of a title he didn't earn.

01:36:40.300 Who's defending the use of a title he didn't earn?

01:36:42.480 There are a ton of people.

01:36:43.780 They're defending the fact that that's not what he did, okay?

01:36:47.560 I just played it for you.

01:36:48.780 Do you just do that?

01:36:49.420 There's plenty more.

01:36:50.280 We could be here all day if I played them all.

01:36:51.700 There are a ton of veterans who are standing up for Tim Walz.

01:36:55.280 So you keep saying, if I disagree with a veteran, then I must be dishonoring their service.

01:37:00.300 That's ridiculous.

01:37:00.880 You're calling them liars.

01:37:01.620 You're-

01:37:01.920 You're-

01:37:02.500 You're-

01:37:02.800 You're-

01:37:03.440 You're disagreeing.

01:37:04.600 No, liars, yes.

01:37:05.700 You are disagreeing with a whole bunch of veterans, too, who stand up and defend Tim Walz.

01:37:11.540 Not true, sir.

01:37:11.560 Not true.

01:37:12.160 And I have no issue with those who say they like Tim Walz and they want to vote for Tim

01:37:16.400 Walz.

01:37:16.780 That's their business.

01:37:17.420 All of this is a distraction.

01:37:17.860 You come in the show and call these veterans liars or political operatives, we're going to

01:37:21.340 throw down.

01:37:22.720 I, yeah, okay.

01:37:24.140 That's, it was dishonest of all of these people to say, well, if they want to say, now what

01:37:30.580 do you had that one person say, which was, okay, we were given this notification.

01:37:36.240 We, we had to believe that we were probably going to be deployed at some point in the future.

01:37:40.800 That's not dishonest, a hundred percent, not dishonest, but if you want to climb, but if

01:37:46.260 you want to climb into Tim Walz's skin, into his brain and say, and if you are a veteran

01:37:53.540 and you are saying publicly that Tim Walz decided to get out because he didn't want to go to

01:37:59.440 a rock, then you are saying something that you cannot possibly know to be true.

01:38:04.180 Well, then why does he speak to that?

01:38:05.840 Why does he speak to that?

01:38:06.880 Because these veterans have come out and said, please admit you lied.

01:38:10.140 Speak to it.

01:38:10.760 He won't give an interview.

01:38:12.160 All he keeps saying is I'm proud of my service.

01:38:13.880 I'm proud of my service.

01:38:14.660 Then answer that.

01:38:16.380 Show them the dignity and the respect of responding.

01:38:19.120 Megan, let me just say this.

01:38:20.560 Okay.

01:38:20.740 He has responded on a number of occasions to this.

01:38:23.320 No, he hasn't.

01:38:23.960 And you, and you and I are trying to have a conversation here, which is not going well at all,

01:38:28.740 because I think there are some really important issues.

01:38:31.220 And look, there are some legitimate challenges.

01:38:33.220 I think your point about, you know, Kamala Harris needing to do press conferences, that's

01:38:37.820 legit.

01:38:38.560 I wish we could have a conversation to talk about, you know, what is the economic record?

01:38:43.260 What are the economic plans going forward?

01:38:45.080 What is the national security foreign policy?

01:38:48.140 You know, what is the future of democracy in America?

01:38:50.260 I think those are very important issues.

01:38:52.060 But personal attacks like this are just an easier place to go rather than having an honest

01:38:57.280 discussion.

01:38:57.860 And I think that's unfortunate.

01:38:59.120 I don't think that's worthy.

01:39:00.220 I would love to discuss all of that with you.

01:39:00.980 I mean, back to your point about Joe Biden, okay?

01:39:05.960 Yeah.

01:39:06.500 As I said up front, I wanted to have strong candidates to have a legitimate debate, not

01:39:12.780 to get into these personal attacks and go back and rewrite history about what was in

01:39:17.780 Tim Walz's mind when he decided to run for Congress in February.

01:39:21.420 I understand, sir.

01:39:22.280 And I would love to discuss all those topics with you, and you are welcome to come back

01:39:25.800 anytime when we have more time, and we'll get into all of those.

01:39:28.780 But I think you're wrong to dismiss these as personal attacks, and you should know that

01:39:32.360 as the chairman, well, ranking member of the Armed Services Committee.

01:39:35.320 And I 100% disagree with you.

01:39:36.400 The veterans of this country take this very seriously.

01:39:39.700 Indeed.

01:39:40.260 And for the record, it was not just senior commander Juleen and his allegations about

01:39:47.660 the fall of 2004.

01:39:49.920 We know that he got a notice in March of 2005 saying they were about to get a deployment

01:39:53.980 notice.

01:39:54.680 He didn't retire until May.

01:39:56.540 He knew.

01:39:57.200 When he retired, he knew his unit was going.

01:39:59.240 The guys he trained, the guys whose lives would be in his hands.

01:40:02.300 And those guys are on the record as saying they felt incredibly betrayed.

01:40:07.360 His country for 24 years.

01:40:08.080 This guy could be commander in chief.

01:40:09.960 It's irrelevant.

01:40:10.140 And decided to run for Congress in February.

01:40:13.080 OK?

01:40:13.860 And that's the decision that he made.

01:40:15.940 And there is no evidence whatsoever.

01:40:18.260 There is no evidence whatsoever that Tim Walz doesn't have the courage to stand up for

01:40:24.620 his country.

01:40:25.320 There is no evidence of that.

01:40:26.740 And I think it's a despicable charge to throw at somebody.

01:40:31.200 It just is.

01:40:31.720 Well, that's, I'm sorry you think that our servicemen are despicable.

01:40:34.420 I stand up for them and I don't think that at all.

01:40:35.680 You keep putting words about it is a despicable charge.

01:40:38.220 Who's making the charge, sir?

01:40:39.700 It is veterans who have served them.

01:40:41.360 It's the guys who didn't cut and run.

01:40:42.800 It is not despicable.

01:40:43.320 The guys who actually did go.

01:40:45.020 They got the deployment notice and they went and they fought and three of their units

01:40:47.900 died.

01:40:48.740 Those are the ones making the allegation.

01:40:50.320 Yes, they did.

01:40:50.660 You want to put it on Megan Kelly.

01:40:52.140 I'm their voice, sir.

01:40:53.320 I honor their courage.

01:40:54.980 OK?

01:40:55.700 I do.

01:40:56.300 And I support them.

01:40:56.960 And you, Megan, I like you.

01:40:58.500 You're a good person.

01:40:59.060 You are not the only person standing up for veterans and the people who serve our country.

01:41:03.940 Of course not.

01:41:04.640 I never suggested otherwise.

01:41:05.600 I got to go because the computer's going to cut us off and I don't want to have a word

01:41:08.640 goodbye.

01:41:08.780 You said you're their voice.

01:41:09.840 Thank you.

01:41:10.420 Look, you're a stand-up person for coming on.

01:41:12.280 To be continued, Representative, you're welcome back anytime.

01:41:15.100 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

01:41:19.680 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - August 22, 2024

Tucker Carlson on if RFK Will ENDORSE Trump, and Tim Walz's Weak Masculinity, plus Monica Crowley, Hogan Gidley, and Rep. Adam Smith ｜ Ep. 868

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