The Megyn Kelly Show - Tucker Carlson on Neocons vs. Trump's Iran Peace Deal, and ＂Hate Speech＂ Censorship, Plus Lindsey Graham's Primary Challenger ｜ Ep. 1312

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00:00:29.180 connexontario.ca. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at

00:00:35.640 New East. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Boy, do we have a show

00:00:46.220 for you today. Senator Lindsey Graham's primary opponent is coming on. Can he defeat the longtime 0.96

00:00:52.680 senator next month. But we begin with the news. Axios reporting yesterday that the U.S. and Iran

00:00:59.680 are potentially closing in on a deal to end the Iran war. And the neocons are most unhappy about

00:01:07.540 it. Mark Levin even writing, I have to believe the Axios report is largely fake. Mark Thiessen

00:01:13.980 writing that Iran senses weakness and does not think President Trump will bomb them again.

00:01:19.520 and Ben Shapiro making the case that the best move the U.S. can make now is to bomb Iran's

00:01:25.860 Karg Island, the country's primary oil export terminal. Joining me now on everything that's 0.63

00:01:32.040 happening fresh off of his big New York Times sit down with our friend Lulu is Tucker Carlson.

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00:02:45.680 Great to see you.

00:02:47.080 Hey, Megan.

00:02:48.180 You're shocked, shocked by the neocon reaction

00:02:50.920 to the possibility of ending this thing, I'm sure.

00:02:54.940 I mean, I hope the possibility of ending it is real.

00:02:58.240 I noticed that every time Axios announces

00:03:00.800 an imminent end to the war,

00:03:02.400 a lot of people make huge bets on oil futures

00:03:04.860 right before it comes out

00:03:05.960 and presumably make a lot of money on that.

00:03:07.860 and then it never happens.

00:03:10.360 It's my hope that the United States gets out

00:03:12.960 as soon as possible.

00:03:14.520 There will be damage.

00:03:15.760 There already is damage.

00:03:16.800 A lot of people have died.

00:03:18.000 12 countries have been bombed.

00:03:19.280 Many thousands have been killed.

00:03:21.360 The U.S. economy has been hurt.

00:03:23.380 Lots of countries' economies are wounded by this.

00:03:26.000 But I don't see a future where it gets better

00:03:28.880 by staying in longer.

00:03:29.940 And by the way,

00:03:30.860 neither do any of the people you just mentioned

00:03:32.820 who don't know anything about the region

00:03:34.520 or know anything in general

00:03:36.160 other than what they think netanyahu wants but if you were to ask shapiro or ask mark teeson

00:03:43.020 whoever that is or ask mark levin like how does this play out exactly um they don't have any clue

00:03:49.540 i mean there was a the i see the american intelligence community reached the assessment

00:03:56.120 yesterday and it was leaked today to the washington post in a john hudson piece that

00:04:01.380 Iran has three or four months of basically stability left in it. There's no imminent

00:04:09.560 collapse of the Iranian regime. That's just not true. The blockade is not toppling this

00:04:16.560 government. And so what are three or four more months of a closed strait look like for the rest

00:04:22.160 of the world? Well, for Asia, for Africa, for Europe, for North America, for the United States,

00:04:27.880 it's a pure disaster do they have a response to that of course not they don't care they probably

00:04:33.220 don't even know nothing matters to the people you just mentioned other than the political fortunes

00:04:39.080 of the prime minister of israel by the way it's not even good for israel how is this good for

00:04:43.280 israel in no sense is it good for israel but bb wants it so they repeat it and i just i really

00:04:49.680 pray that the u.s government the administration will stop listening to these people they're the 0.58

00:04:54.040 same ones who got us into the Iraq war. Trump used to know that. I don't know how they went up in

00:04:58.320 charge again. Yeah. There's an article in the Free Press, Barry Weiss's publication, by Amit Siegel,

00:05:08.540 who's the chief political correspondent for Israel's Channel 12, arguing that, geez, you know,

00:05:14.360 the reports are that we're closer to a deal than at any point during this war. And it's unfortunate

00:05:19.340 timing, writing that if the status quo blockade remains, the Islamic Republic will not survive

00:05:26.300 2026 and saying that the, but however, this entire strategy relies on that big if of the

00:05:32.980 blockade continuing. So if Israel hopes to sustain the blockade through the end of 2026, Tucker,

00:05:40.720 through the end of 2026, Israel hoping, no, it's, we are the ones doing the blockade.

00:05:45.720 Well, of course, there is the unavoidable matter of the American midterm elections to contend with and trying to refocus the president, arguing that Iran will be his legacy pushing.

00:05:56.540 Now, that's the first we've heard someone openly say the blockades got to go on through the end of 26 post the midterms. 0.54

00:06:04.340 tucker israel could not sustain a blockade or defend itself for 24 hours without the 1.5 trillion

00:06:14.100 dollar u.s military backstopping it and enforcing the long-standing defense guarantee that we have

00:06:20.680 with israel if that were to go away israel would have two choices it would either suffer elimination

00:06:26.860 or would use nuclear weapons so that's where we'd be without the united states government

00:06:32.520 backstopping Israel, period. So anybody who tells you Israel's going to do this, Israel's going to 0.83

00:06:37.340 do that, Israel has no capacity to defend itself, period. And anyone who works at the Pentagon,

00:06:42.840 who will speak to you honestly off the record, will explain it to you in great detail,

00:06:46.460 we wouldn't, Israel would have done none of this. It wouldn't have a six or eight or ten front war

00:06:50.660 or whatever kind of multi-headed war they're now waging. None of that would have been possible

00:06:55.800 without the U.S. military, U.S. service members being killed on their behalf, U.S. tax dollars

00:07:00.280 paying for the whole thing so there's that but there's this weird kind of tunnel vision

00:07:05.260 and i do think it begins with trump where all that matters is iran and making sure they don't

00:07:12.200 have nuclear weapons and degrading them toppling the regime in tehran it's like that's something

00:07:19.160 that you might want to do i guess in a perfect world but that's like number 417 on your to-do

00:07:26.280 list if you're the american president the number one thing you have to do is make sure your own

00:07:30.180 country doesn't degrade. Its people don't become poor. Your OD rate for young men doesn't rise as

00:07:36.660 it is rising. There are jobs for your kids. You have some kind of plan when AI eliminates half

00:07:43.740 of all white collar jobs in the United States in the next three years. You need to think about your

00:07:48.580 own country. And so the idea that the purpose of the US government is to somehow keep the world

00:07:55.660 safe from Iran is insane. And so if you begin there, of course, you wind up like Mark Thiessen 0.97

00:08:01.080 and all you care about is Iran. There is a world that's pretty easy to imagine where you would

00:08:07.140 just live with a sovereign Iran, which is a regional power. It always has been for thousands 0.96

00:08:12.580 of years. It will remain a regional power. Sorry. And that's just the world that we're going to live

00:08:17.480 with. It's not the ideal world, but we don't get an ideal world. We have a world in which we create

00:08:22.280 priorities, and the U.S. government has to put its own people at the top of that list, and it's not.

00:08:28.440 A case in point, the argument over whether we should continue to provide the subsidies for

00:08:34.280 Obamacare recipients that we just went through over the latest closing of the government was

00:08:39.280 saying these people, I mean, through no fault of their own, Barack Obama took away their health

00:08:43.120 care that they had and they liked and their doctors and replaced it with a government-run

00:08:47.240 program called Obamacare. And it was so expensive and ridiculous, the government had to

00:08:52.260 subsidize it so that the people didn't realize how much more it was costing them for the first

00:08:56.780 10 plus years. And now here we are with the bill coming due, the subsidies going away.

00:09:01.540 And the argument by the Democrats was we need like some $25 billion in subsidies in order to

00:09:07.520 keep this going. The government said, are you crazy? We can't afford that. Guess what? We just 0.93

00:09:11.600 spent a minimum on this Iran war. The price tag was $25 billion. Of course, it's much more than 0.55

00:09:18.420 that but that's what the pentagon's willing to admit so we've spent it on iran but we wouldn't

00:09:22.900 spend it on our own people to save them the pain from this bill that was shoved down their throats

00:09:27.440 by barack obama and now we find out that though president trump said that we're going to have this

00:09:33.380 this ballroom built and it's going to be completely free it's going to be privately funded

00:09:38.620 no it turns out they slipped a hundred million dollars into the budget a billion um not openly

00:09:45.560 yes, sorry. Okay. Not openly owning what that was going to actually cost people. So yes,

00:09:50.960 the priorities are definitely not on the pocketbooks of the American people and they know it.

00:09:54.940 But wait, I want to get back to what the pressure that they're putting on Trump not to enter into a

00:09:59.640 deal. And I agree with you. I have no idea whether there's a 14 point deal or not. None whatsoever.

00:10:03.240 I don't trust a word President Trump says about this anymore. He's told us 31 times that the

00:10:07.880 Iran war is over. Okay. Only to then tweet about how we're going to bomb them into oblivion.

00:10:12.660 So what we're seeing is, yes, I mentioned the free press and, of course, Mark Levin. 0.56

00:10:21.080 Now you've got this Israel first think tank, the Foundation for Defensive Democracies out there, actually saying that the Iran war presents Trump with an opportunity more transformative than the collapse of the Soviet Union. 0.87

00:10:35.840 talking about how the window for regime change remains open as Iranians still await the call 0.78

00:10:41.780 from the president to take to the streets like they they want every last thing. We want regime 1.00

00:10:46.480 change. We want to annihilate what's left of the regime. And that brings me to my next soundbite, 0.99

00:10:51.140 which is Hugh Hewitt hosting John Podoretz, Sot 2. Up until now, it was the Supreme Court,

00:10:59.780 But if he actually crushes the Iranian nuclear threat, that's a world historical achievement. 0.96

00:11:07.200 This deal is not that, is it, John? 0.67

00:11:09.380 A deal is not that.

00:11:10.440 Now, the problem here is that, say it's July 17th, and Israel bombs Hezbollah site, and

00:11:23.020 the Iranians say, we don't like this, so we're going to close the strait for 48 hours.

00:11:29.780 What are we going to do with that? 0.92

00:11:33.540 I mean, it will always be conditional.

00:11:37.740 Because Hormuz became the card that they played, he kind of has to go for regime change now.

00:11:46.700 The regime that is standing cannot remain standing because it has closed the strait

00:11:53.580 and it now has that as its trump card, if you will.

00:11:58.540 So he's actually deepened the necessity for a successful military conclusion to the war

00:12:06.380 that has a regime change effect.

00:12:10.360 That's not where this was six weeks ago, I don't think.

00:12:14.280 Your thoughts?

00:12:15.540 It's just embarrassing.

00:12:17.300 It's embarrassing to see public intellectuals in the country I was born in and love reveal 1.00

00:12:22.680 themselves as ignorant and dumb. 1.00

00:12:24.880 you can't administer a global empire unless you understand the world and almost none of the people 1.00

00:12:30.820 who are weighing in on we should do this we should do that have any understanding even of geography

00:12:34.840 iran controls the strait of or moves because that is the majority of the coastline along it

00:12:41.240 it always has again it's geography iran is an economic power first and foremost because

00:12:48.560 the commodities that flow through that aperture at the at the eastern end of the persian gulf

00:12:54.580 are necessary for the global economy. So Iran is an economic power. We have spent the last 40 years

00:13:00.880 focusing on its various weapons programs, including its WMD program, its nuclear program. 0.76

00:13:06.080 But we've completely missed the fact that Iran is not going anywhere. There will always be Persians 0.99

00:13:12.740 on the other side. They have problems with the Arabs on the GCC side. These are longstanding 0.96

00:13:20.760 conflicts, but they're not going to change. So Iran has always had control over the Strait 0.99

00:13:27.360 of Hormuz. By definition, they've just decided not to invoke that power. And that's not going

00:13:36.000 away. And so any kind of settlement, if you were to nuke Iran, the remaining survivors would still 0.94

00:13:42.240 have the ability to block the Strait of Hormuz with mines or with boats. Somali pirates harass 0.90

00:13:49.920 shipping off the Horn of Africa. It's an asymmetrical problem. So the best case scenario

00:13:55.600 is you have a coherent government in Iran. It probably is not going to be pro-Western, sorry,

00:14:00.620 but that you can reach some terms with that government sufficient to get shipping through

00:14:05.160 that straight so the world economy can function as it did on February 27th.

00:14:10.180 That's just a fact that's not ever changing. So I don't understand people like, well, you just

00:14:15.080 just topple the regime what happens then do failed states make for secure shipping lanes

00:14:22.320 just the opposite only a coherent state whether you like that state or not can guarantee a shipping 0.91

00:14:28.880 lane so like the the dumbness on display just boggles my mind and the rest of the world

00:14:34.000 watching this is like really these people are running the globe like they're not they're not 0.93

00:14:39.980 equal to the task. They really talk about this. They really talk about this. Like if they just

00:14:45.140 kill enough top Iranian leaders, they're going to get to Jeb Bartlett. Jeb Bartlett is sitting there 0.98

00:14:50.260 waiting to run Iran. And that's a guy we can work with. And it's just what is the evidence of that? 1.00

00:14:56.600 How many members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard are we going to kill? There are tens of

00:15:01.280 thousands of them. Are we going to get rid of all of them? Like who exactly is this imaginary leader

00:15:06.420 who is gonna have the support of the Iranian people

00:15:09.180 and work with us to make Iran

00:15:11.340 this Western democracy-like province

00:15:14.660 that we can work with on everything forever.

00:15:17.360 That, I don't know,

00:15:18.420 I genuinely don't know what they're thinking.

00:15:20.480 And I will show you-

00:15:21.180 Okay, but I do actually.

00:15:22.060 Here's the difference.

00:15:22.920 We have different goals, okay?

00:15:24.400 So from an American perspective,

00:15:26.520 you want stability

00:15:27.680 because you want commerce to function

00:15:29.840 because you don't want your country to be poor

00:15:31.900 and you don't wanna lose your special privilege

00:15:35.340 of having the world's reserve currency

00:15:37.340 because that means your debt comes due

00:15:39.020 and your country collapses.

00:15:40.220 So that's the American perspective.

00:15:42.020 So economic shocks are the real threat to us.

00:15:44.480 Bigger than terror attacks, bigger even than wars

00:15:47.240 is the idea that we go bankrupt

00:15:49.320 and we can't make good in any of our outstanding debts

00:15:52.100 to our public.

00:15:53.060 So you can't keep the welfare state alive

00:15:54.480 and you have some kind of real turmoil in our country.

00:15:56.960 That's our goal.

00:15:57.800 The Israeli goal is not putting in a pro-Western regime.

00:16:01.340 They know that's impossible. 0.99

00:16:02.360 They're not stupid. 0.99

00:16:03.440 The Israeli goal is chaos. 0.99

00:16:05.340 The Israeli goal is to pull off in Iran what they pulled off with our help in Syria and 0.86

00:16:10.580 Lebanon and Libya, and that's just have a permanent civil war where their enemies are 0.57

00:16:14.960 fighting each other, okay? 0.98

00:16:16.500 And then you have the refugee crises, not in Israel because they're never letting anyone 0.99

00:16:20.540 in Israel, but Europe will continue to be destroyed. 0.92

00:16:22.900 The United States will bear the brunt of that refugee crisis, et cetera, et cetera.

00:16:25.640 So the goal from the perspective of John Putharitz and Ben Shapiro and Netanyahu and Mark Levin 0.90

00:16:32.240 and all the rest of them were speaking with one voice, is Israel's goal.

00:16:36.120 And I'm not even attacking it. 0.87

00:16:37.460 Like, that's their goal.

00:16:38.180 I get it.

00:16:38.640 They have different national interests, but it bears no resemblance to ours.

00:16:41.900 Zero.

00:16:42.900 And no one will admit that.

00:16:45.400 There's more.

00:16:46.560 I have a Ben Shapiro, but I'll get to him in one second.

00:16:48.740 First, Hugh Hewitt, who I really like.

00:16:51.180 It's sad to me to see him go this far out there.

00:16:54.980 But it's fine.

00:16:55.920 I disagree with him, but I still like him.

00:16:58.100 I do, too.

00:16:58.440 But here is here. Here's what he said with Noah Rothman, formerly of commentary, which is where Podorets is now.

00:17:04.640 Noah is with National Review and Hugh Hewitt is an independent radio host in Sat One.

00:17:10.280 J.D. Vance told me on this show when he was a senator or running for vice president.

00:17:14.440 I can't remember that nations have their own interests and they have to follow their own interests.

00:17:20.880 We don't control Israel. Israel doesn't control us.

00:17:23.300 at this point, I think it's in Israel's interest to act against Iran in a way that blows up this 0.74

00:17:30.020 deal. What do you think? Well, yeah, I tend to agree. So that's an American openly calling

00:17:39.120 for Israel to queer the deal that an American president says he's about to strike with Iran

00:17:46.480 to end a war, Tucker. I mean, the problem with propaganda is people believe it, even smart

00:17:52.300 people and Americans have been told for 50 years that Israel is kind of fighting its own battles

00:17:57.440 in the Middle East. It's a scrappy little country surrounded by enemies. And the truth bears no

00:18:02.180 resemblance to that at all. Israel is a proxy state of the United States. Israel has no meaningful 0.61

00:18:07.360 military. Israel has 9 million people. Iran has almost 100 million. There are hundreds of millions

00:18:13.080 of enemies right around Israel. And the only reason that country still exists is because it 1.00

00:18:18.360 has the backstop of the U.S. military. Israel cannot act independently. It doesn't have the 0.73

00:18:23.520 material. It doesn't have the planes. It can't even drop some of the munitions that we have used

00:18:27.940 on its behalf because it doesn't have the planes. It doesn't have the pilots to fly the planes.

00:18:30.800 So the Israeli military is not a meaningful military. They can't act alone. And people

00:18:38.240 just don't seem to understand this. They haven't taken the time to just learn like what exactly is

00:18:43.040 the idf well it's a reserve army in a tiny country it would be eaten in 20 minutes by iran and by a

00:18:51.440 lot of other increasingly hostile actors in the region so like this is all just fantasy it's just

00:18:55.900 dumb well i mean do you dispute that they could queer the deal like they've been trying to do

00:19:01.800 they have in lebanon during our yeah so i mean that they are capable of doing that but only to 0.96

00:19:07.600 the extent that we allow them. So the truth is, you know, there are all kinds of levers of control

00:19:13.240 that are obvious having to do with money. There are probably some that are much less obvious and

00:19:17.420 possibly more sinister. And I can't speak to those precisely, but there is some reason that

00:19:24.220 this tiny country has such profound control over our country, supposedly the dominant country in

00:19:29.440 the world. I don't exactly know what that is, but at least academically, it would be possible for

00:19:34.120 you as president to say you know what we've reached the end of our ability to help you this

00:19:38.500 is actually counterproductive to our interests it's hurting us and good luck and get along with

00:19:43.320 your neighbors in the way that every other country is forced to get along with their neighbors every

00:19:46.680 person has to you may have super annoying people living next door to you you can't just shoot them

00:19:51.840 you don't want them to live there but there's nothing you can do about it there's literally

00:19:55.400 nothing you could do you have to look at our evil top hat canada big well thank you we've had you 1.00

00:20:00.560 know the threat from mexico is so much more profound than the threat from iran how many 0.65

00:20:05.180 americans die every year as a result of decisions made by the government of mexico many thousands

00:20:10.940 and how many die because of iran zero until we declared war on iran so like these are the

00:20:18.500 problems that you deal with in this very flawed world that we live in you have to deal with 0.74

00:20:22.920 hostile neighbors and you have to come to terms with them israel hasn't had to behave like a 0.71

00:20:27.160 normal country because it has the United States government basically cleaning up every single mess 0.80

00:20:32.180 and allowing it to overextend dramatically. Israel's way overextended. You can't fight this 0.88

00:20:38.000 many wars, even if you're a large country with a massive standing army. Israel's in major trouble

00:20:42.900 and no one can even conceptualize that. The people who hate Israel don't care because they want it 0.54

00:20:47.980 to be destroyed. The people who love Israel can't imagine Israel being weak. But the truth provable

00:20:53.580 in the numbers about Israel is that it's in a very dangerous place right now, super dangerous. 0.91

00:20:59.060 And no one sees that clearly. I'd be worried if I lived in Israel right now. 0.85

00:21:04.660 Remaining on the topic of the neocons trying to push Trump not to settle this deal, to instead

00:21:09.520 go nuclear on Iran and take it next level. I mean, no one's openly calling for a nuclear bomb. That

00:21:15.320 was a figure of speech, but you and I both know it could happen.

00:21:17.800 Levin has called for that. Levin has called for nuclear strikes on Iran.

00:21:22.000 That's true.

00:21:22.780 Okay, I stand corrected. 0.55

00:21:24.700 Here's Ben Shapiro on Tuesday, Sot3.

00:21:27.480 The easiest move for the United States to make right now

00:21:30.020 would be to just blow up Harg Island.

00:21:33.040 Harg Island, you could do an amphibious operation there.

00:21:36.080 It's a lot riskier.

00:21:37.200 Or you could just blow it up.

00:21:38.180 And that means that Iran has no refinery capacity.

00:21:40.540 And that means their economy is basically sunk.

00:21:42.900 For the foreseeable future, we have a lot of things that we can do.

00:21:45.540 We could blow up Harg Island.

00:21:46.580 We could hit other energy resources inside the country.

00:21:48.640 We could take down another layer of the IRGC.

00:21:50.920 We'll probably have to do at some point another kinetic action against missile facilities that have been uncovered over the course of the last few weeks.

00:21:57.840 But anybody who believes at this point that Iran is winning this war is missing the boat.

00:22:01.640 I mean, totally missing the boat.

00:22:03.760 I mean, this is just an example of the pressure that Trump is under from Shapiro, Levin, I'm sure, Lindsey Graham, Mark Thiessen, General Jack Keene, Rupert Murdoch, and many, many others to pedal to the metal.

00:22:18.160 Do not settle.

00:22:19.320 Don't settle with a 14 point deal. Don't settle at all. Keep going militarily until there's nothing left of the people who used to be in charge in Iran or even the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, which, as I point out, is tens of thousands strong.

00:22:33.920 You wonder where the pressure is coming from. I mean, those are clearly the spokesmen for the coalition applying pressure, but they're not in themselves powerful figures.

00:22:43.480 I mean, Mark Levin has almost no viewers. Ben Shapiro is going out of business.

00:22:47.180 No one. You look at his videos on his website, Tucker, on like his YouTube channel. Each one

00:22:51.380 has like 500 views. Well, exactly. I mean, these are the this is the outer fringe of the outer

00:22:57.480 fringe. Nobody watches this stuff. There's no audience for this. There's no constituency for

00:23:01.900 it. This is totally divorced from the actual problems Americans face. It's it's hurting our

00:23:06.960 country measurably. Six dollar gasoline is the result of these policies. These are the people

00:23:13.100 got us in the Iraq war like nobody is for this and these are not major figures in American media

00:23:18.380 they're tiny I mean your average porn video has a thousand more views than any of these people get

00:23:24.860 so they're a joke I don't think these are the people applying the pressure I do think this

00:23:30.540 is coming from donors I think it's coming from Miriam Adelson and Paul Singer and the people who

00:23:34.860 totally huge players in Republican politics because they fund it they fund a lot of it

00:23:40.520 maybe a plurality, possibly a majority of it, all of it, not just at the federal level,

00:23:44.880 but also state level. They're the ones funding the opposition to Thomas Massey in a Republican

00:23:49.940 primary in Kentucky, $10 million. So these are people who have a huge influence over American

00:23:54.840 politics, and they're acting on behalf of the government of Israel, not on behalf of all 0.50

00:23:58.460 Israelis, much less all Jews in the world. Hardly. They want you to believe that. It's a lie.

00:24:04.400 Plenty of Jews hate them for good reason. But they're acting on behalf of the Netanyahu 1.00

00:24:09.580 government on behalf of foreign power. And I do think that's where the influence is coming. Like

00:24:15.100 Mark Levin, Trump does not take Mark Levin seriously. Nobody likes Mark Levin. Ben Shapiro,

00:24:21.180 I don't think he knows Trump. He's always hated Trump. Trump doesn't like him.

00:24:25.120 These people are just irrelevant. They're a sideshow. Mary Madelson is not irrelevant.

00:24:30.160 Paul Singer is not irrelevant. These are serious.

00:24:32.360 Paul, you give Trump $200 million and you get his attention.

00:24:35.440 That's exactly, nicely put. That's exactly right.

00:24:40.040 You mentioned Thomas Massey. I know you had him on your show just the other day. And amazingly, even though he is incredibly popular in his home state, that campaign against him, he revealed to you, is working. Trump's trying to primary him. He's been against the Trump agenda on a couple of items.

00:24:56.900 I mean, he usually votes with the Trump agenda, but he's definitely been outspoken on Epstein and on Israel, to name two.

00:25:04.500 And now these outside groups, like Marianne Adelson's money, have swooped in to help try to defeat him.

00:25:12.120 And it was news to me, because I hadn't been watching it that carefully, that it's working.

00:25:16.540 Here's a soundbite from his interview with you yesterday, SOT14.

00:25:21.480 Full-on blowouts in the Republican primary in your district in Kentucky.

00:25:24.760 And now it's within a couple of points and you could lose.

00:25:28.500 And the difference is they have spent $10 million against you.

00:25:33.420 Where'd that money come from?

00:25:34.720 It's come from billionaires and 95% of it,

00:25:37.840 at least 95% has come from the Israeli lobbies,

00:25:41.520 the RJC, which is the Republican Jewish Coalition,

00:25:44.840 AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee,

00:25:48.640 Miriam Adelson, Paul Singer, and John Paulson went together.

00:25:51.340 They funded a PAC called MAGA Kentucky,

00:25:54.180 which is neither MAGA nor Kentucky. So she's trying to buy a congressional seat in Kentucky 0.89

00:25:59.760 along with the rest of these groups. There's also another interesting faction

00:26:03.480 called Christians United for Israel. They're really just another wing of AIPAC and RJC that's

00:26:10.400 been used to co-opt Christians into supporting their position. And their position is more war, 0.88

00:26:17.920 It's more strife.

00:26:19.900 It's more bombs.

00:26:21.460 It's send more foreign aid.

00:26:23.600 And those are the things that I've been voting against.

00:26:26.960 So is that it, Tucker?

00:26:28.240 Is it just a matter of money?

00:26:30.020 She bought and paid for Trump, and now he's doing her bidding?

00:26:32.580 Well, there's no question about it.

00:26:34.100 It's literally that simple.

00:26:35.840 I would say Thomas Massey is not an opponent of the Trump agenda.

00:26:39.660 Thomas Massey is one of the very last proponents of the Trump agenda,

00:26:45.220 defenders of the trump agenda the agenda that donald trump ran on a year and a half ago that's

00:26:50.000 what thomas massey still believes that's what he votes for that would include transparency

00:26:54.900 and into corruption no more wars trump ran on these things just the other day i campaigned for

00:27:00.680 i remember very well and so massey still believes those things he's never stopped believing them

00:27:05.740 the break came when massey described how apac controls members of congress and i should just

00:27:11.840 say, Massey reminds me of you in a way. He's never been against Israel. Massey likes Israel.

00:27:17.020 He's certainly not against Jewish people. He likes Jewish. I mean, there's nothing anti-Semitic or

00:27:21.580 anti-Israel about Thomas Massey. He just made the mistake of describing out loud what it's like to

00:27:28.860 have a foreign lobby show up in your office and demand that you vote a certain way. And he said

00:27:33.260 to them, as he has to all lobbies, foreign and domestic, I'm voting the way I think my constituents

00:27:37.700 want me to vote consistent with my principles and i'm not playing along and because he said that

00:27:43.940 trump's donors decided we have to take this guy out because if we don't not that massey is going

00:27:48.500 to like change the system single-handedly but if we don't take mass yet if we don't punish him

00:27:52.740 publicly for telling the truth about what we're doing others may follow so as an example to the

00:27:58.260 rest down the line they have to crush thomas massey and then all of these all the goons the

00:28:04.340 paid consultants in Republican politics, and all consultants are the same Republican and Democrat,

00:28:09.440 a lot of them are vicious people, and they're all only about the money. This guy, La Savita,

00:28:15.680 who is the head consultant for Donald Trump, rather than just work against Massey in the

00:28:21.840 primary, he's taking money from these three Israeli lobbyists, basically, Paulson, Singer,

00:28:27.940 and Adelson. He starts attacking the guy personally, calls him garbage. Garbage? Thomas 0.99

00:28:34.220 Massey is one of the most decent members of the Congress. One of the most honest, sweet-tempered,

00:28:40.020 kind, totally opposed to hate Christian. Called him garbage. Then they start attacking his wife, 1.00

00:28:46.000 his new wife. His wife passed away two years ago. He got remarried. And the consultants

00:28:50.220 start attacking the guy's wife. And then the president attacks his wife. It's like,

00:28:54.880 why go scorched earth on a man who's done nothing wrong other than stay consistent

00:29:00.200 to his own principles to the president's own stated policies he's doing the right thing he

00:29:06.660 this is what democracy is supposed to look like a citizen legislator it's really unbelievable how

00:29:11.600 the president has not only uh massey's remarriage after he lost his wife but joe kent's uh remarriage

00:29:19.380 four years later after his wife was killed i mean it's insane killed by who donald trump killed by

00:29:25.660 donald trump's administration joe kent's wife was killed the mother of his two sons was killed as a

00:29:32.180 ci officer in syria by a suicide bomb what was she doing there she was sent there by the trump

00:29:37.000 administration to fight another one of israel's wars so it's a decision that donald trump made

00:29:42.180 that got joe kent's wife killed that's a fact it's not interpretation it's a fact and now trump

00:29:47.940 is attacking the guy for getting remarried

00:29:50.380 after that wife is killed serving his administration?

00:29:55.060 It's almost too much.

00:29:56.440 Four years later.

00:29:57.780 Yes.

00:29:58.400 No, I mean, like, not to put too fine a point on it,

00:30:01.800 but Donald Trump cheated on his wife, Ivana Trump,

00:30:05.680 with Marla Maples.

00:30:07.040 It was extremely infamous.

00:30:08.840 And all over the papers.

00:30:10.840 How dare he criticize these honorable men

00:30:13.500 who lost their wives for finding love years later?

00:30:16.720 It's truly galling. It's way below the belt. But okay, it's just one example. I mean,

00:30:24.320 this is like the stuff that all of us kind of overlooked on Trump for many years because he's

00:30:29.880 not a particularly moral man. I think we've known that. It's just right now he's spiraling because

00:30:36.340 he knows, Tucker, that his numbers are spiraling down the drain. He sees what we see. It's so bad

00:30:42.820 he can't even come out and attack the polls as he normally would because it's every poll he's at

00:30:48.740 the lowest approval rating he's ever been at in the history of his two terms across the board

00:30:54.680 on the economy, on this war, on inflation, on whether they trust him with white working class

00:31:01.580 voters, with men, with young voters. I mean, of course, he's already lost women and so on,

00:31:06.260 but like every single constituency, there is one tiny constituency that still seems pro Trump

00:31:12.300 And that is the self-described MAGA over 65 Fox News viewers.

00:31:16.680 That's it.

00:31:17.740 Yep.

00:31:18.900 And he knew this was going to happen.

00:31:21.120 I mean, Trump didn't want to start this war.

00:31:24.100 He was fully informed about the consequences of it.

00:31:28.100 I talked to him about it.

00:31:29.400 He had no enthusiasm for it whatsoever. 0.99

00:31:32.040 He just kept repeating the world's dumbest talking point. 0.86

00:31:34.260 Do you want Iran to have nuclear weapons? 0.99

00:31:36.320 Well, no, I guess. 0.90

00:31:37.900 Don't care that much. 1.00

00:31:39.080 Pakistan has him. 0.99

00:31:40.460 North Korea has him. 0.76

00:31:41.440 Israel has him. A lot of lunatic countries have nuclear weapons. I don't want more countries to 0.98

00:31:45.500 have nuclear weapons. I don't like nuclear weapons. On the other hand, is that a priority for me? No,

00:31:50.740 it's a priority for Israel. But that was his only line. Do you want Iran to have nuclear weapons?

00:31:55.000 No. Okay. But I don't really care. And most Americans don't really care. What they care

00:32:01.480 about is the condition of their own country. And Trump knew that. He ran on it three times.

00:32:05.520 He actually felt it. He knew that he risked his presidency, his legacy, the country itself,

00:32:11.440 by starting a regime change war with Iran. He knew that fact. And he did it anyway, 0.85

00:32:17.820 because he clearly felt he had no choice. That is my read from talking to him extensively on

00:32:21.860 this topic before the war began. And so I think it's incumbent on all of us to figure out what

00:32:26.380 exactly was the pressure applied to Trump to make him do something he knew was going to hurt him

00:32:32.640 and his party and his legacy and his country. What could possibly compel a man to hurt himself?

00:32:39.240 and i don't know the answer i i well i've heard you talk about that and the suggestion you know

00:32:45.300 by joe kent and others might be somebody held something over him somebody threatened him you

00:32:49.280 know did he believe the lives of his family or his own life might be in jeopardy if he didn't do

00:32:53.780 this thing my own belief just you know having watched trump for many years now is it was just 0.98

00:32:59.320 hubris tucker he he got drunk on his own wine after the damn venezuela strike and then the 0.97

00:33:05.900 June strike in Iran and thought he was talked into, you know, this sort of cowboy persona. 0.98

00:33:12.220 You know, I heard Jane Fonda talking about Ted Turner because he died yesterday and how

00:33:16.640 what a badass the guy was.

00:33:18.080 And he won the America Cup and he founded CNN.

00:33:21.320 He had all these billions.

00:33:22.400 He had swagger.

00:33:23.300 He had personality.

00:33:24.300 That's how Trump wants to see himself.

00:33:26.740 And those two military operations let him do it.

00:33:30.540 He, of course, dodged the Vietnam War. 0.55

00:33:33.160 He never actually served himself.

00:33:34.700 And so now he's commander in chief. He's seeing how impressive and amazing our military is and they truly are and they can do heroic and amazing things. And he's at the top of the command. And I truly believe he thought I can do this. BB says they're going to be above ground. I can take out the Ayatollah and his top emissaries. It's four days. I'm in. I'm out. I'm lauded as a hero.

00:33:58.700 I'm going to have these people writing things like it's the greatest thing since, you know, whatever, the Russian revolution, the fall of the Soviet Union. 0.55

00:34:06.600 And he bought it because he is a narcissist.

00:34:09.880 They all are when they become president.

00:34:11.180 But Trump's in a special league.

00:34:12.620 And he bought it because his ego needed him to buy it.

00:34:15.780 And it's easy to win Trump over with that kind of flattery and false praise.

00:34:20.300 He had tried it.

00:34:21.260 Netanyahu had on Obama.

00:34:22.720 He was just out confirming that the other day.

00:34:24.440 And on many other presidents.

00:34:25.900 he just found the one who was really susceptible to that kind of talk. That's my own belief.

00:34:31.820 I thought that, but I pushed him hard on this. And I said, look, Netanyahu hates you. You know

00:34:38.720 that. They don't like each other at all. And he has contempt for you. He's shown that. He does

00:34:44.380 not have your best interests at heart. The people pushing you toward this would include Rupert

00:34:48.860 Murdoch, who despises you. Trump knows that, of course. Mark Thiessen has always hated you. Ben

00:34:53.480 Shapiro, they hate you. Mark Levin hates you as always hated you. Yes. The people pushing you to 0.93

00:34:59.360 I said this right to his face. The people pushing you to do this want to destroy you. And they're 0.88

00:35:05.120 doing it on behalf of Israel, whose goals include getting the United States out of the Middle East. 0.82

00:35:10.300 They don't want the U.S. in the Gulf because it strengthens the like our friendships there.

00:35:15.520 They don't like our friendships there at all because Qatar and UAE and Saudi, but also Bahrain

00:35:22.600 Oman and Kuwait, but mainly those three countries are a massive rival to regional hegemony. You

00:35:29.560 can't run the Middle East with strong Gulf states. And so they want the U.S. out. Israel wants the 0.99

00:35:36.220 U.S. out of the Middle East, and they want to degrade those Gulf states. And I said that right 1.00

00:35:40.820 to his face. And he said, yeah, I know. So that happened. Now, maybe he was lying to me. I don't

00:35:47.820 know why he would he did not seem at all enthusiastic about this at all he seemed like

00:35:53.000 he dreaded it and i think he retreated into his happy place as all of us do like maybe it'll be

00:35:57.680 finals roll the dice we'll kill the ayatollah the whole thing will collapse it'll just be like the 0.99

00:36:01.860 maduro operation i think he allowed himself to think that but he's not stupid he's very smart 0.99

00:36:07.200 in his weird way it's weird right he's not conventionally brilliant but in his specific

00:36:12.440 way. Well, you know him. He has a brilliance to him, obviously. He is gifted for sure. And he

00:36:17.580 knew exactly how bad this could be. And I think within like 24 hours, he knew it was bad. And

00:36:23.900 that's why he sent, I believe he sent Rubio out there to blame Israel for it, to say, well, we

00:36:28.680 had to do it because they were moving first. And like, then they were going to be exposed and our

00:36:32.700 assets in the region would be exposed. Like, I think that was on purpose. I can't prove it,

00:36:37.320 but I believe it because Trump was enraged at the Israelis.

00:36:41.140 The second this happened and the regime didn't fall,

00:36:44.220 he knew, oh, wow, how do you get out of it now?

00:36:46.800 He knew he was shafted.

00:36:47.960 And I think he's known it for two months.

00:36:50.080 Now, the main thing we're negotiating over

00:36:52.160 is the thing that we had prior to launching this war,

00:36:54.460 which is opening the Strait of Hormuz.

00:36:56.240 That's so great.

00:36:57.160 I mean, terrific.

00:36:58.640 There's really no winning for us at this point.

00:37:00.680 There's no winning.

00:37:02.040 There's just getting out, stemming the tide of losses

00:37:05.220 and trying to save face.

00:37:06.720 but I don't even care about saving face at this point, Tucker, right?

00:37:08.940 It's just like, just get out and let's try to stop this from spiraling into a nuclear war.

00:37:13.860 Meanwhile, there is, you know, I hate to be too, you know, big in my rhetoric here,

00:37:19.900 but there is sort of a parallel war happening domestically in the battle over narratives

00:37:26.900 around this war. And the pro-Israel side is out for blood. They are crazed right now in their

00:37:35.480 attacks on people like you, like Candace Owens, like me as well now, anybody who is openly

00:37:43.140 critical of Israel or raising questions about Israel or not pro this war. I mean, the number

00:37:49.760 of hit pieces you're going to get, the number of like very nasty names. Like, I don't mean just

00:37:54.840 like, I know nothing. I'm talking about Nazi, which Mark Levin has been calling all of us,

00:38:01.180 but especially you and Ben Shapiro and all of them, okay?

00:38:04.580 So that's happening.

00:38:06.240 And in the midst of this, we get yesterday

00:38:09.460 two congressmen going on Jake Tapper's show,

00:38:15.080 Representative Gothheimer and Mike Lawler of New York.

00:38:18.740 Josh Gothheimer is from New Jersey.

00:38:21.500 He's a Democrat, Lawler's a Republican.

00:38:24.420 And they introduced, this is so galling,

00:38:27.460 a bipartisan resolution.

00:38:28.980 They went on Tapper to discuss it

00:38:30.160 and I'll show you what happened.

00:38:31.180 a bipartisan resolution condemning the rise of anti-Semitic hate-filled rhetoric

00:38:37.100 disseminated by prominent online personalities.

00:38:41.240 The two they name specifically, but it's not limited to them.

00:38:45.020 It's just including Hassan Piker, he's of the left, and Candace,

00:38:49.220 and calling on social media platforms and public leaders.

00:38:53.120 So all the social media platforms and government leaders to take a stronger action,

00:38:58.660 quote, against hate. This is an obvious push to censor opinions about Israel. That's what this

00:39:07.840 is. Okay. And they go through saying, and Tapper mentioned you as well, but they say that they're

00:39:14.180 dangerous. Their rhetoric and their conspiracy theories, I'm reading from the resolution for

00:39:19.820 the actual text of it, are dangerous and contribute to a climate of hatred and intolerance.

00:39:25.520 Individuals with online platforms have a responsibility to refrain from promoting or

00:39:31.020 amplifying anti-Semitic narratives and disinformation. Now, this is our government

00:39:36.100 telling all of us who are in the digital space, we have a responsibility to refrain from hate

00:39:42.820 speech. No, we don't. No, we don't. Actually, we can engage in as much hate speech as we want.

00:39:49.040 That's America. That's the beauty of being an American. You don't like it?

00:39:52.600 There's this wonderful imaginary thing that you apparently don't know about called the dial.

00:39:57.860 And if you press the dial, you can go right down the lane to listen to Rachel Maddow or Kara Swisher or somebody who's saying what you like.

00:40:06.320 Here they write, social media and streaming platforms should take appropriate steps to enforce their policies against hate speech and prevent the spread of anti-Semitic content.

00:40:19.040 Public officials and community leaders should unequivocally condemn anti-Semitism,

00:40:23.400 including when it's propagated by high-profile media figures and influencers.

00:40:28.960 And they go on from there.

00:40:30.120 So now these two, now it sounds all pie in the sky, right?

00:40:32.340 Like, we're against hate.

00:40:34.680 Hate against racial groups, hate against religious groups.

00:40:37.660 Okay, in theory, yes, people don't like that.

00:40:40.360 This is the government calling on social media platforms and other government officials

00:40:44.840 to, quote, condemn hate and stop the hate.

00:40:49.240 What does that mean?

00:40:50.260 That means censorship. 0.93

00:40:51.420 That's directly antithetical to the First Amendment.

00:40:53.940 So they go on with Jake Tapper.

00:40:55.520 And I just want you to know, I know you don't watch TV,

00:40:59.740 but they recently had the White House Correspondents Dinner.

00:41:02.280 And Jake Tapper and others like Margaret Brennan of CNN

00:41:06.620 were wearing these little virtue signaling pocket squares

00:41:10.280 or arm bandages, whatever they were.

00:41:14.280 She's from CBS, Margaret Brennan, saying the Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of the press, the freedom of speech like their little First Amendment advocates, Tucker, just reminding everybody they don't want government interference.

00:41:28.740 OK, this is great. It's on. These two guys have this insane resolution, which is basically calling for censorship against anybody with criticisms of Israel.

00:41:37.160 And they go on with the free speech advocate himself. He's so important to put it in a pocket square, Tucker.

00:41:41.940 OK, and this is how that went. I don't have it in front of me, but my team knows what I'm looking for. Is this top five? Let's hear it.

00:41:50.320 We have seen a rise of anti-Semitism, especially on social media, and a lot of it at the voice

00:42:00.080 of people like Hassan Piker and Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson, among others, who are

00:42:07.720 promoting anti-Semitic hate speech, who continually seem to engage in long-standing anti-Semitic

00:42:16.400 tropes.

00:42:17.580 And we are pushing back against it.

00:42:19.920 First Amendment says Congress shall make no law establishing the freedom of speech or of the

00:42:24.280 press. What do you say to somebody who wonders, are you not risking running afoul of that?

00:42:29.660 Hassan Piker, Candace Owens, this is hate speech intended to incite violence. And our resolution

00:42:35.100 is really focused on we've got to take the temperature down. This kind of hate speech

00:42:39.680 is unacceptable. People like Hassan Piker and Candace Owens shouldn't be out there

00:42:44.460 campaigning with elected officials and being used and propped up as heroes when you have, 0.99

00:42:51.760 you know, Piker saying things like Jews are bloodthirsty pig dogs and inbred and saying 0.98

00:42:58.120 that 9-11, America deserved 9-11. Your thoughts on that? It's just amazing to see Jake Tapper 0.99

00:43:05.440 abetting something like this, encouraging. I remember when he was a lobbyist for Hooters,

00:43:10.060 thinking about becoming a journalist he was literally a lobbyist for hooters i i knew him

00:43:15.480 well at the time oh yeah oh absolutely uh yeah he was traveling around america with the hooters

00:43:22.240 girls promoting hooters um i mean he's like i think i'm gonna go into journalism uh and you

00:43:27.860 know he did and unfortunately didn't do as well as he'd hoped to do but i still thought he was

00:43:33.780 like a journalist um and there he is saying things like well do you think passing a law

00:43:40.600 trying to get people scrubbed from the internet might be brushing up against the limits of the

00:43:45.700 first amendment what it's completely in contravention first amendment it's the most

00:43:49.500 obvious violation of the first amendment and he knows that but he doesn't care because he

00:43:54.440 like the two guys on the set cares more about the fortunes of the netanyahu government he's an agent

00:43:59.460 for a foreign country in this specific case and has been for a long time obviously but what's so

00:44:04.980 interesting and mind-bending is that those three are accusing other people of hate speech those

00:44:12.900 three have spent the last almost three years making excuses for ethnic cleansing the murder 0.70

00:44:19.140 of children the killing of people because they have impure blood the killing of palestinians

00:44:25.140 in Gaza and the West Bank, the murder of civilians in Lebanon, now the killing of civilians in Iran, 0.97

00:44:31.200 all because of the way they were born. These are people who are daily encouraging violence. Now, 0.62

00:44:38.660 I can't speak for the other two they're attacking. I'll speak for myself. I'm totally opposed to

00:44:42.400 violence. I'm a Christian. I believe in the Sermon on the Mount. I think it's wrong to kill people,

00:44:47.240 and I think it's totally unacceptable to kill people who did nothing wrong, to kill innocents.

00:44:51.640 That is a red line that you cannot cross. And I sincerely believe that. So I'll just again,

00:44:57.180 I'm not being defensive. I'm just noting what is I say every single day. I am opposed to violence

00:45:03.620 against innocents. It's the main thing I oppose. It's why I oppose Jake Tapper and that Lawler,

00:45:09.540 that shill for Israel Lawler guy and the Gottheimer from New Jersey. It's not that I dislike them

00:45:14.680 personally. I feel sorry for all three of them. It's that I don't agree with their program of

00:45:19.640 hate and violence and it's just so interesting that they whip it around like no no anyone who

00:45:24.020 criticizes ethnic cleansing in gaza is guilty of hate and abetting violence it's like come on i'm

00:45:31.540 not falling for it'll work by the way they're absolutely going to censor the internet of course

00:45:36.240 at the urging of the israeli government using our tax dollars there's no doubt that people are going

00:45:41.500 to be i mean i really hope that the social media companies have learned their lesson because we

00:45:45.020 Remember, they were censoring all talk about, you know, the trans issue for years.

00:45:50.300 They were censoring. You couldn't say that it's a sickness.

00:45:53.120 It's you're unwell. If you have this gender confusion, you couldn't say that a man cannot become a woman.

00:45:58.880 YouTube was censoring as well. And it took years for us to get them to the point where you can you you can call Leah Thomas a he because that's what he is. 0.96

00:46:09.360 years, but they got there and they eventually got, came around on COVID too. So like this 0.87

00:46:14.460 cannot become the new one where this powerful lobby comes and holds this cudgel over the,

00:46:19.860 you know, heads of the social media companies saying that's the new hate speech. Like this

00:46:25.240 whole thing about hate speech is very dangerous because I, I was also told for years, you can

00:46:30.580 criticize Israel, you can criticize Israel and not be called an anti-Semite. You know, that's

00:46:34.680 different from Jews, which is the latter part is true to your point earlier. There are a lot of 1.00

00:46:40.020 Jews who don't like Netanyahu. I know from our mutual friend, Melissa Francis, who's been over

00:46:44.940 to Israel a lot, that there's, there's some very controversial opinions about some of these figures

00:46:49.080 like Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin. They are not universally beloved over there because they're

00:46:53.960 so divisive. And there are a lot of Israelis who are like, just stop. You're not helpful, 1.00

00:46:57.740 not to mention american jews but that pro-israel first crowd does conflate the two and that's what

00:47:04.940 this resolution is conflating the two that if you say hateful things about israel or this war

00:47:11.460 these guys want to censor you and it's hard to imagine that happening right now but the second

00:47:18.580 there's a domestic terror attack and i i'm very concerned that there will be in which innocents

00:47:23.940 are murdered whether it's a real one or a false flag those are common not all terror attacks are

00:47:30.680 false flags some are we know that but how whatever the cause whoever the perpetrator innocence if

00:47:38.000 they are murdered in the united states will be used as a pretext an excuse for shutting down

00:47:44.120 criticism of the people in charge that's always the way it works in every authoritarian regime

00:47:49.500 well in every regime that's that's why it's the first amendment because the framers understood

00:47:52.820 human nature very well. And they knew that people with power will always want to stop criticism

00:47:57.920 of themselves. And let's be super clear, American policy toward Israel, it's American tax dollars

00:48:04.920 that allow the ethnic cleansing going on in Israel's neighbors. That's the result of votes 0.87

00:48:10.620 taken in the U.S. Congress, which is not majority Jewish. It's not just about the Jews. It's about 0.63

00:48:15.320 everybody in charge has been four square behind this stuff, has been backing it,

00:48:21.980 has been allowing it to happen in some cases in the case of mike huckabee for example has been

00:48:26.280 enthusiastically cheering it on so it's again it's not about criticizing jews or anti-semitism

00:48:33.000 it's about criticizing the policies of the united states government which are deeply held by our

00:48:40.640 leaders and they don't want criticism of that at all and they will do everything they can to shut

00:48:45.140 down that criticism you watch i mean we've spent the first hour criticizing a president we both

00:48:50.940 campaigned for. We can criticize our leaders. We are free to criticize whatever political leader

00:48:57.780 we want, domestically or foreign. I mean, this is like the notion that, oh, that's a bridge too far

00:49:04.060 when you take it over to Israel. It's just absurd. It's so antithetical to being an American.

00:49:08.240 I think I have time to get a second soundbite in from this representative Lawler, and I'm going

00:49:12.080 to try for it, SOT7. Well, Congressman Lawler, what do you say to somebody who might say, look,

00:49:16.440 it's very easy to take on Candace Owens. It's very easy to take on Hassan Piker. But what about

00:49:21.420 the politicians who campaign with them or the politicians who, well, Tucker Carlson spoke at

00:49:28.140 the Republican National Convention in 2024, that by going after these individuals and not the folks

00:49:33.380 who enable them, the people who join them on the campaign trail or such, you're doing something

00:49:40.040 easier than what would need to be done. First of all, these folks are grifters and they foment

00:49:47.040 this hate to make money. I've called out people in my own party like Marjorie Taylor Greene, 0.94

00:49:52.640 one of the dumbest people to ever serve in Congress, who talked about Jewish space lasers 0.99

00:49:57.280 and continues to engage in anti-Semitic tropes. The fact is, in both parties, we need to call out 0.99

00:50:05.300 this extremism. We need to demand better of our elected officials and really hold these

00:50:11.540 individuals that foment hate to account. So there's the push to punish the politicians

00:50:17.780 who associate with the Israel critics. Marjorie Taylor Greene never said a word about Jewish

00:50:23.700 space lasers. That's a lie. But what's so funny is their grifters says the guy, Mike Lawler,

00:50:29.420 who's taking all this money from a foreign lobby, an unregistered foreign lobby. I mean,

00:50:34.480 it's all just inversion as it always is. I would just say censorship is coming and it's coming

00:50:41.000 because the people in charge failed. Their failures are really obvious and it's too painful

00:50:44.800 for them to be reminded of that. So they will use whatever pretext they need to shut down that

00:50:49.760 criticism. But I don't think it's going to work long term. Yes, I hope you're right. All right,

00:50:54.720 we have much more to discuss. We're going to take a quick break. We are back on the opposite side of

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00:52:21.600 tucker carlson is back with me he is host of the tucker carlson show go and subscribe now

00:52:32.920 tucker um you got a lot of attention last week two weeks ago it's hard to keep track

00:52:38.900 uh where you said you regretted voted voting for trump you regretted recommending him to the

00:52:45.400 american public in the wake of this war and i was asked about it recently and i was explaining to

00:52:51.020 somebody that that didn't surprise me at all, because I've been watching you for years. And

00:52:54.740 for years, you've been very, very concerned about war and other countries dragging us into war,

00:53:01.000 having nothing to do with Israel, nothing whatsoever to do with Israel. I mean, I've

00:53:04.260 watched you talk to foreign leaders about like, what, how's that in our interest? You've been

00:53:08.120 very guarding when it comes to the United States against getting sucked into these things. So I

00:53:13.240 wasn't surprised at all to see when it's became clear, Israel is going to get us into this thing.

00:53:18.240 you were against it, and then were disappointed in Trump. My own position has been, I too am

00:53:25.020 against the war, but the main things I voted for Trump for wasn't about the war. It was I wanted

00:53:31.360 him to push back on the trans insanity. I'm a mother of three young kids, and I wanted him to 1.00

00:53:37.360 close the border. And he did. He did those two things. So I still would describe myself as a

00:53:43.420 supporter. You know, I'm I feel betrayed by Trump. I think, you know, what he's done, he's been pretty

00:53:49.340 grifty in the office. He has not lived up to the promise on the Middle East wars. And that's a huge

00:53:55.820 one that's going to cost us who knows how much down the line. I, too, worry a lot about domestic

00:54:00.600 terror attacks and response and a possible nuclear spiral in the Middle East. But what do you say to

00:54:07.900 people who say, well, what's the alternative? You know, like you didn't want Kamala Harris to win,

00:54:12.660 Right. Neither of us could have stood for that. So like had if you had it to do over again,

00:54:17.580 what would you have done? Well, I don't know that I feel bad about voting for Trump. I I would never

00:54:24.360 vote for Kamala. First of all, I'm never going to vote. I'm opposed to abortion. And that's just a

00:54:28.260 bottom line issue for me. Like I'm never going to change that. I really mean it. It's at the kind of

00:54:33.020 the top of my list of things I care about. So I'm never going to vote for a pro-abortion candidate

00:54:38.460 ever. I would never vote for Kamala Harrison. She was an idiot, obviously. So I don't really

00:54:43.940 feel bad about choosing Trump in that binary. What I feel bad about is getting up and saying,

00:54:48.980 you know, vote for Trump, no more wars. And that just turned out not to be true.

00:54:53.420 And by the way, I'm not a Trump hater. I've noticed my whole, I've known Trump for 25 years,

00:54:57.420 and I've noticed in the last 10 years that people who organize their lives around Trump,

00:55:01.240 pro or con, don't tend to thrive. They tend to become irrational. If you hate Trump too much,

00:55:06.060 if you love Trump too much, it's not good for you. He's a man. He's got good qualities. He's

00:55:10.900 got weaknesses. I'm happy to describe his good qualities. He's got a million good qualities.

00:55:15.740 But I've just never put Trump at the center of my life either way. And I would not recommend

00:55:20.020 doing that, again, positive or negative. It's not good to obsess over another person unless

00:55:26.160 you happen to be married to the person, unless that obsession is love. I just think it's unhealthy,

00:55:31.040 super unhealthy to treat our leaders like gods or devils. They're not. They're just people.

00:55:36.060 I'm just mad that he betrayed the country on this war.

00:55:40.760 And I do think I have a million concerns 0.64

00:55:43.000 and the trans question is definitely one of them,

00:55:44.980 for sure, and immigration too, for sure.

00:55:47.800 However, war, when you read the history of nations,

00:55:51.920 civilizations, rise and fall is determined primarily by war.

00:55:55.700 Nothing changes a civilization more quickly,

00:55:59.860 more profoundly, more permanently than war.

00:56:03.220 And so that's just my read on history.

00:56:06.060 and the nature of life. And so you got to pay attention to the wars. And because we have an

00:56:09.900 all-volunteer force, and it's kind of a cast, like people who fight our wars are usually the

00:56:15.180 children of people who fought our wars. Like it's a specific kind of world that fights our wars.

00:56:20.280 And that means, and they're great at it, of course, there are upsides to that. But it means

00:56:23.780 that most of us are so detached from the cost of war that it's very easy to support them because

00:56:30.240 you don't have a good sense of the downside. And there's also something about getting older

00:56:33.840 that tends to make some people bloodthirsty.

00:56:36.500 I don't know why that is, 0.90

00:56:37.780 but the Rupert Murdoch's and the Lindsey Graham's,

00:56:40.260 it's like people over 70, I hate to say this,

00:56:44.740 tend to be pretty cavalier about killing, 0.73

00:56:47.920 maybe because they're not exposed

00:56:49.280 or they don't love their grandchildren

00:56:50.520 or they don't care about their country

00:56:51.780 or they're on their way out.

00:56:52.680 I don't know what it is, dementia,

00:56:54.320 but there is almost a one-to-one connection

00:56:56.740 between age and a willingness to commit

00:57:00.340 other people's children to war.

00:57:02.720 You see this.

00:57:03.240 You see it in the polling.

00:57:04.020 I mean, I have a son who's almost 17.

00:57:06.300 So yeah, I'm in a different place.

00:57:08.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:57:08.640 Much different place.

00:57:09.060 That's right.

00:57:10.060 And a lot of my audience feels the same.

00:57:11.480 Like their moms who may have been more pro-war post 9-11,

00:57:14.720 it was one thing.

00:57:15.800 But we are not living in a post 9-11 world

00:57:18.400 in the way we were back in 2002, 2003, and four

00:57:21.960 when we were launching these retaliatory,

00:57:24.100 well, the retaliatory war in Afghanistan

00:57:26.320 and then the unnecessary war in Iraq.

00:57:29.820 We're not.

00:57:30.340 We're in a different place.

00:57:31.040 We have to be honest about the cost of those wars, the lies that we were told by our government and so on.

00:57:35.980 But what happens to Trump now, right?

00:57:38.060 Because with these terrible approval numbers, with the midterms all but lost already to the Republicans, he basically becomes a lame duck after those midterms one way or another because the 2028 presidential election gets into full swing after midterms and all the focus goes on the new person, not on the one who's holding the office.

00:57:59.400 and especially if he's got a democrat controlled house god forbid a democrat controlled senate too

00:58:04.500 he's there's nothing there's no legislation that's going to get through not that any did

00:58:09.440 his first year you know we had one piece of big legislation well two we had the taxes uh extended

00:58:15.280 and tax cuts and we had the lake and riley act but in any event so what happens to trump now

00:58:20.360 you know on inauguration day i got up really early and i went to church with trump and charlie kirk

00:58:26.960 I sat with Charlie Kirky right behind Trump in church, and I had a whole, and I said my prayers,

00:58:32.340 and I had a lot of thoughts about what this new world was going to look like, and all of them

00:58:37.200 were wrong. So it's so important to remember that, that we're just not good at predicting

00:58:43.280 the future. You know, we imagine like this is going to happen in November in the midterms.

00:58:47.460 Maybe, maybe not. Like, we don't really know. I do believe it's clear that volatility is coming

00:58:54.460 for sure. And there's going to be a lot of change. And it doesn't mean everyone's going to get hurt.

00:58:58.100 Some people will thrive in the middle of it. Bill Ackman will be just fine. He'll be richer than

00:59:01.200 ever. We know that. But a lot of us will be fine, too. But some people are going to get hurt. I just

00:59:06.200 feel that really strongly. And I feel really sad about it. And I just hope that we can keep our

00:59:10.600 heads one way or the other. And just remember that Trump turns 80 next month, you know,

00:59:15.520 and I hope he has a great birthday. I don't wish Trump ill. I never will wish Trump ill. I always

00:59:19.640 have a gut level affection for Trump. That will never change. However, he will be gone relatively

00:59:26.160 soon and we'll still have this country. And after 10 years of thinking and talking about him all

00:59:31.520 day, every day, I just wonder if we're prepared for what that's going to look like. I don't think

00:59:35.800 things are going well. I think they could be a lot worse. I think there, I can think, imagine

00:59:39.340 other leaders who are both malicious and competent. Trump is incompetent. So that's a good thing in 1.00

00:59:44.820 some ways. I mean, Gavin Newsom is not incompetent. He's far more malicious than Trump. I think he's

00:59:52.740 far less transparent than Trump. Like, I don't know, we just need to keep our wits about us

00:59:57.340 and not ping pong from one bad idea to another bad idea. There is a kind of sensible way forward

01:00:04.680 where we minimize the losses, where we strengthen the country to the extent we can, where we find

01:00:08.720 something that every American has in common with every other American, that would be a good start.

01:00:12.440 I don't know. I think we can manage this if we stay calm. And just because this version of

01:00:19.900 capitalism is clearly fake and the markets are clearly being manipulated and, you know, a lot

01:00:24.800 of what we think is real is not real doesn't mean that we need the state to run the economy,

01:00:30.380 for example. Just because this war is insane and counterproductive doesn't mean we need to

01:00:35.860 disband the military. I mean, like, there's a way to think about this that's measured and thoughtful

01:00:40.800 and not just reactionary and i hope that we do the um those trades that you made reference to

01:00:47.180 are now the subject of an uh doj and um commodities future trading commission investigation just for

01:00:54.540 the listening audience we've been talking about this a little show they're probing the 2.6

01:00:59.460 billion dollars in oil trades related to the iran war abc news obtaining the data that they're

01:01:06.560 looking into from the London Stock Exchange Group. They include on March 23rd, 15 minutes

01:01:11.680 before Trump announced he would delay the threatened attacks on Iran's power grid.

01:01:15.500 Traders bet more than 500 million the oil prices would fall. On April 7th, hours ahead of a

01:01:19.980 temporary ceasefire announced by Trump, traders bet 960 million that oil prices would fall.

01:01:25.460 On April 17th, 20 minutes before Iran's foreign minister announced that the Strait of Hormuz was

01:01:31.860 open. Traders bet $760 million that oil prices would fall. On April 21st, 15 minutes before

01:01:37.500 Trump announced that he would extend the ceasefire, traders placed a series of bets worth

01:01:42.380 $430 million that oil prices would fall. Thank God they're investigating this, Tucker. Thank God.

01:01:47.800 I actually wondered and worried about whether they would ignore it.

01:01:52.660 Maybe I'm too cynical. You mentioned 9-11. In the days before 9-11, someone with foreknowledge

01:01:58.780 of the 9-11 attacks bet big shorts against the airlines and the banks involved in those attacks

01:02:05.180 and the fbi investigated it solemnly we got to find out who knew 9-11 was coming they found out

01:02:11.440 who did it and they've never to this day released the identities of the person or people who made

01:02:16.080 those bets so i you know and we have a right to know we have a right to all 9-11 files declassified

01:02:23.220 no one is even trying to that no one will ever do that and you have to ask well why is that why

01:02:27.620 can't we know? I don't know the answer, but we can't even know that. So I'm not too hopeful that

01:02:35.240 we will find out who did this and that anyone will ever be punished. I will say, if you look

01:02:39.020 at the commodities numbers, for example, oil, Brent crude, a hundred bucks, really? The Strait

01:02:45.000 of Hormuz has been closed for two months and oil is at a hundred bucks a barrel. It was at what,

01:02:49.600 180 or something like that during the financial crisis in 2008. Like this doesn't make any sense.

01:02:54.720 gold. You see the U.S. dollar is clearly in retreat. Clearly, they're settling oil in

01:03:01.640 yuan, in Chinese currency. And gold, is it 4,700 an ounce? It's not rising.

01:03:09.680 And you have to ask, what are the forces that are moving markets? Are they natural forces?

01:03:15.080 Are these the markets that we were told they were? Supply and demand being the two forces

01:03:20.520 that control the market, or are there other forces? Clearly, international markets, equities

01:03:26.780 markets, commodities markets are not what we thought they were. And hopefully, they will be

01:03:31.420 at some point. But one of the things I've learned in the last two months is that, whoa, there's some

01:03:36.420 rigging going on here. And it's very distressing. And it doesn't make any sense. It does not make

01:03:42.820 sense. If you think supply and demand drive markets, it's beyond my understanding. I'm just

01:03:49.440 saying the fundamentals should be reflected in the price of these commodities and they're not

01:03:56.480 fair point right so it's bizarre um on the subject of the economy an american company is struggling

01:04:03.920 mightily it's called the daily wire and they've reportedly laid off as many as 50 or 60 percent

01:04:09.420 of their staff they deny that uh they say those numbers are overstated but they've definitely had

01:04:14.880 massive layoffs over the Daily Wire. Why do you think that is?

01:04:18.880 I knew an old political consultant once 30 years ago was covering a campaign and he said,

01:04:23.000 you know, propaganda works, advertising works, but ultimately reality makes the difference.

01:04:27.240 You can spend a billion dollars advertising a dog food, but if the dogs won't eat it,

01:04:31.280 it's just not going to sell. And I just don't think the dogs are going to eat this dog food.

01:04:35.680 I mean, there's more supply than there is demand in this case. There's an awful lot of Daily Wire

01:04:41.040 not a lot of people want to consume it who is the constituency for more wars hey americans shut up

01:04:47.640 and stop complaining get back to work retirement as ben shapiro famously explained retirement is

01:04:53.840 immoral you should be working for him and his family i guess i don't know but the contempt the

01:04:59.560 pure contempt that shapiro and not all the people work at daily wire but some of them have shown for

01:05:05.440 their audience like it's not a long-term play it doesn't work after a while if you hate your

01:05:09.900 audience, if you hate your voters, in the end, you're going to be rewarded with failure. And

01:05:15.160 that's not surprisingly what they're getting. And I'm, you know, I don't, I don't rejoice over

01:05:19.480 anybody's failure, including Ben Shapiro's. I don't hate Ben Shapiro. I don't even, I don't

01:05:24.080 even care enough to dislike Ben Shapiro, but I'm just, I just will say I'm not surprised at all.

01:05:28.720 He should go do something else useful. He, um, a few years ago was on Bill Maher bragging about

01:05:36.340 his bed made of money that he sleeps on every night and look it up it's all over the internet

01:05:41.920 it was a shocking thing to say and it's what you don't say things like that right because it's like

01:05:47.260 that then when something like this happens it feels like karma and he also of course famously

01:05:53.360 or infamously depending on your pov tried to kick you out of the conservative movement tried

01:05:57.120 to kick steve bannon out uh threw me in there for good mention in december and i do think

01:06:02.020 regardless of one's feelings on the three of us, I don't think conservatives are into that kind of

01:06:07.760 policing. It's pretty antithetical to what makes one a conservative, which is like hands off to

01:06:14.600 each his own. We have our points of view. We may fight and disagree, but we don't excommunicate

01:06:19.540 over here on team rational. No, and also money worship is bad. I just want to say it. I'm not,

01:06:25.640 I'm hardly a socialist. I don't, I hate socialism, but like money for its own sake, accumulating

01:06:30.880 money just so you have more money, which is very much Ben's worldview, is disgusting.

01:06:35.280 Like, that's not, when is that, since when is that virtuous?

01:06:37.400 It's not.

01:06:38.200 It's anti-Christian, for one thing.

01:06:40.000 It's very clear.

01:06:41.500 Jesus is not for communism.

01:06:43.160 That's not the point I'm making, sorry.

01:06:45.100 But money for its own sake is a dead end.

01:06:48.600 It actually doesn't make you happy.

01:06:50.200 Debt makes you miserable.

01:06:51.600 Poverty hurts.

01:06:53.500 But accumulating money, bragging about how much money you have, measuring your value

01:06:58.240 by money. These are contemptible things. And we've lost the ability to say that on the right

01:07:05.300 because people whip around. They're like, oh, are you Ocasio-Cortez now? It's like, it's so stupid.

01:07:11.980 No, I'm not Ocasio-Cortez, whoever that is, that absurd person. No, but we do not worship money 1.00

01:07:19.780 because that's low and disgusting. In fact, our Bible calls it evil, the root of evil. And we

01:07:25.800 should just say that it's just true it's like accumulating money for its own sake is ugly that

01:07:30.000 was always been the irony and yeah is the same man is accusing you and me for that matter of

01:07:36.160 chasing clicks for the for opposing the iran war and yesterday there was a soundbite of me

01:07:44.220 on with mark halperin on his show talking about how i my understanding is that you've had an

01:07:51.120 influx of young viewers and some Muslims now that are taking another look at the Tucker Carlson show

01:07:57.940 because you've, you've been somewhat defensive of Islam, just, just the blatant attacks on it as a

01:08:03.360 religion. And I also said something that you and I talked about months ago, which was, as I now see

01:08:10.160 what Israel does to you, I mean, truly like its emissaries for sure have unleashed a vicious 0.84

01:08:15.000 campaign against yours truly on social media and elsewhere. It's fine. I mean, we're handling it, 0.99

01:08:18.840 But as I now see what they do, it does cause me to reevaluate what other propaganda has been out there that I've fallen for that's coming from a foreign government.

01:08:27.480 You know, you and I discuss this.

01:08:28.660 So I'm going to show you the soundbite and then I'll tell you what they're saying about it.

01:08:31.860 Watch.

01:08:32.760 Like he's gotten very, very popular lately.

01:08:36.240 I read with Muslim viewers because he's been standing up for Islam, you know, and I have to tell you, Mark, it's been something I've noticed just since I've gotten a sort of more clear eyed on Israel.

01:08:47.960 that a lot of the anti-Muslim rhetoric that's put out there originates with people who are

01:08:55.320 very, very pro-Israel, who kind of need us to demonize them. And I've taken a look recently

01:09:01.020 at my own rhetoric on this to say, like, have I been manipulated? I want to make sure I'm not

01:09:04.640 getting manipulated. But I think he's having a lot of Muslim viewers flock to him. I know for a fact

01:09:09.620 he has a lot of young men flocking to him. And so while he may have lost some contingent of the

01:09:15.380 Fox News audience that's very, very pro-Israel and pro-Trump and you can't say anything about

01:09:20.880 Trump. For every one of those who leaves, there is another newer, younger audience member who

01:09:28.760 does want to hear these traditional lines challenged and hear just new independent

01:09:34.180 thinking. I mean, I'm experiencing some of that myself and Tucker probably times 10.

01:09:38.560 OK, so what happened, interestingly, in response to that clip online yesterday was a torrent of demands by the Israel firsters and some regular conservatives, I mean, demanding that I, in their view, return to Muslim hate, that any deviation off of Muslims are bad, universally bad, is not acceptable and makes you of the left was the accusation.

01:10:08.560 And, you know, you're just out there for clicks. It's like nothing I've done is for clicks. If anything, my stance on the Iran war and Trump attacking me hasn't been particularly helpful, but it's sincere. And, you know, you got to be honest about who you are and where you stand.

01:10:22.880 And I have been blown away by how openly the Israel first crowd is demanding that I and others hate Muslims or else or what?

01:10:35.880 We're going to be called empty vessels or we're going to be like shamed for having said things that are questioning about Islam.

01:10:41.780 I'm not real pro on like Islamic leaders in America. 1.00

01:10:44.920 I still stand by that. 0.99

01:10:46.220 But I am reevaluating some of the things that I swallowed hook, line and sinker, Tucker, because I now see we've all been manipulated.

01:10:54.020 You have no idea how ubiquitous and powerful AIPAC, Israel, its lobby, its paid agents.

01:11:00.420 I mentioned Brad Parscale the other day, who's registered as a foreign agent for Israel now and runs Salem Media Group.

01:11:07.960 I mean, there are a lot of those folks in our nation pushing propaganda on us.

01:11:13.360 And I frankly think I've been too trusting.

01:11:16.220 Well, this was one of the concerns about immigration 100 years ago, that people would come to this 0.88

01:11:22.580 country and import with them their own ancient blood feuds and then impose them on the rest of

01:11:26.540 us. And I'm American, and I don't have to sign on to your blood feud. If you're Armenian and you

01:11:33.440 demand I hate all Turks, no, I'm not doing that. I mean, you may hate Turks, you may have good 0.83

01:11:37.040 reason to hate Turks, whatever, but I don't hate Turks. I kind of reserve the right to form my own 0.71

01:11:42.040 bigotries. And one of the reasons that I try to retreat from the world regularly in the woods or

01:11:48.360 sauna or whatever, it's just to come to center to what I believe. I'm a Christian, which is an

01:11:54.960 exclusive claim. So I believe Jesus is the son of God. I believe you get to God through Jesus.

01:12:00.200 That's exclusively through Jesus. So I'm not a Muslim. I'm not a Jew. I'm not a Hindu. I'm not 1.00

01:12:04.520 a Sufi. I'm a Christian. On the other hand, I just like reverent people. And anyone who bows

01:12:10.460 down before God and admits I'm not God five times a day, doesn't share my theology. We don't have

01:12:16.120 the same view of how you get to heaven, but that person is not by definition my enemy. People who

01:12:21.020 I have a problem with are those who espouse violence and hatred, who lie, who think it's

01:12:27.680 okay to lie. People with a point of view that is not universal. The Christian worldview, and by the

01:12:34.700 way, also the Muslim worldview, is a universal worldview. Anybody can come to this faith. That's

01:12:40.240 my worldview. I was born into it. I believe it. It's sincere. And so anyone else who has that

01:12:47.160 worldview, I'm willing to be friends with. I'm not going to hate you because your parents did

01:12:52.480 something that somebody else objects to. I'm just not playing along with that. And I knew that I

01:12:57.240 would be attacked as like a Muslim lover or whatever. I don't know. I'm not a Muslim lover.

01:13:02.500 I'm a people lover until proven otherwise. And I'm just not going to play along at all 1.00

01:13:07.780 with that kind of stuff. And at this stage of my life, I just don't care because it's not about

01:13:13.320 the money for me. Honestly, I've never taken a dollar from a Muslim or anyone else. I have no

01:13:16.740 debt. I have no investors and I don't seek to be a billionaire. So I'm not in crypto.

01:13:21.500 So at this point, it's like, what are you going to do about it? Call me a Muslim lover. Okay.

01:13:26.000 Okay. Go ahead. So what? Yeah. No, same. It's like,

01:13:32.920 Anybody who thinks I'm opposing Trump for clicks hasn't followed the history of our relationship.

01:13:39.520 Oh, I know.

01:13:40.420 And by the way, I don't think it's helping.

01:13:42.140 You and I have had our ups and downs.

01:13:42.840 Hasn't made your life easier, that's for sure.

01:13:45.680 Definitely not.

01:13:46.340 But it's like I also can't wake up in the morning and look my audience in the figurative eye and lie about how I feel on something this big, on anything.

01:13:55.980 Why would I?

01:13:56.960 Like you, I'm fine independent.

01:14:00.060 As an independent, I'm fine financially.

01:14:02.260 and I don't need to do it.

01:14:04.100 And so people will like it or they won't like it.

01:14:06.100 I think most of the audience,

01:14:07.500 even if they disagree, will forgive it.

01:14:09.300 You know, it's like,

01:14:10.320 we talk about a lot of things on this show.

01:14:11.840 That's not even the main thrust of this particular show.

01:14:15.360 It never has been foreign policy.

01:14:17.100 But it's crazy to me,

01:14:18.780 the attempts from this Mike Lawler resolution

01:14:21.320 to the online hate campaign

01:14:23.700 to silence this point of view.

01:14:26.460 Like you are not allowed,

01:14:28.500 at least as a conservative or a right winger

01:14:30.960 or somebody who's perceived to be on the right side of the aisle to be opposed to this war or

01:14:35.060 to be in any way soft on Muslims. My God is like, you know what? Fuck off. I'll be whatever I want

01:14:41.600 to be. And if I want to reevaluate any POVs at 55, I'll do it. Too bad. Amen. That's exactly right.

01:14:47.840 But did you think when you campaigned for Trump and for MAGA and all that stuff a year and a half

01:14:52.700 ago, less than a year and a half ago, that you'd be signing up for like a more rigid version of

01:14:58.460 identity politics and cancellation and censorship and basically screaming in the face of people you

01:15:06.280 disagree with rather than debating them. Did you think you were signing up for that? Because I

01:15:09.720 didn't. I thought I was signing up for the opposite. I voted against that. That's one of

01:15:13.660 the main reasons I campaigned for Trump is I can't stand that. Shut up racist. And shut up 1.00

01:15:19.120 racist turns out to be maybe not even as annoying as shut up anti-Semite. I mean, they're the same 0.99

01:15:23.900 thing. Yes. Oh, it's nowhere near. Shut up anti-Semite. It's a little harder edged. No one

01:15:28.760 ever accused me of wanting genocide when one of my main instincts in life is anti-genocide. I'm

01:15:35.440 against ethnic cleansing. That's why I'm concerned about what Israel's doing. So like this whole 1.00

01:15:40.580 thing is like not what I thought we were getting at all. Yeah, I know. And it's the fact that it's

01:15:46.580 happening on our side, you know, on the right is so stunning and upsetting. And I don't even

01:15:52.920 understand it. You know, like I going into this whole thing, even the question of what role does

01:15:57.600 Israel play in our politics and our country seems like something we should be able to debate like

01:16:03.040 gentlemen to steal a phrase, right? Like, okay, there are facts. You can be pro it. You can be 0.56

01:16:08.620 against it. Why do we have to hate each other over it? I don't, I, I certainly didn't make that the

01:16:13.480 stakes of any of my friendships with the more prominent Jewish members of the media. They did. 0.62

01:16:19.980 They all did.

01:16:21.280 You know, I mean, Mark Thiessen is very, very unhappy with me for not supporting the war.

01:16:27.660 I love Mark Thiessen.

01:16:28.800 I really do.

01:16:29.280 I care about Mark Thiessen a lot.

01:16:31.300 I'm the one who made him a star, Tucker.

01:16:32.720 I put him on the Kelly file night after night.

01:16:34.440 And I know he's a good man.

01:16:35.940 And I know he's very, very pro this war.

01:16:38.160 And I actually don't hold it against him.

01:16:40.500 He comes by it, honestly.

01:16:41.620 He's been in that place for many, many years.

01:16:43.400 But he's not somebody who's like ended a friendship over it.

01:16:46.000 There are others who really have and who have gotten so personal and vicious.

01:16:49.080 most of whom i just don't respond to i just don't even respond it's like whatever you do your thing

01:16:53.740 but i've been shocked at how vicious it's been from the right well it's to see i mean i as i said i

01:16:58.980 i was in jake tapper's wedding like i knew jake tapper really well and again i knew him when he

01:17:03.240 was a hooters lobbyist i wish he'd remained one he was i think a pretty good hooters lobbyist

01:17:07.000 but to see him like attack me as someone who should be censored because he doesn't like my

01:17:13.580 opinion on netanyahu it just shows you found the red line the thing that really matters to other

01:17:19.340 people the thing that's more important to them than friendship than love between people than

01:17:26.040 people in general like this is what they care about most and it's it's so revealing that i

01:17:31.900 think it's going to be hard to go back honestly yeah all right now speaking of um speaking to

01:17:38.280 people in the media how'd you do with lulu how did you enjoy your experience with oh i loved it

01:17:43.560 I mean, of course.

01:17:45.920 Yes.

01:17:46.400 Yeah, I mean, you know.

01:17:47.600 I like her.

01:17:47.780 Do you like her?

01:17:48.500 Oh, yeah.

01:17:49.020 I, you know, I get along.

01:17:50.520 Very few people I don't get along with.

01:17:52.140 Of course, half the thing was about Fuentes and like, who cares?

01:17:55.420 Fuentes.

01:17:55.840 There was a lot of Fuentes.

01:17:57.060 Who cares about Fuentes?

01:17:58.360 Talk about irrelevant.

01:18:00.900 And I said to her, I wish I'd never interviewed that kid.

01:18:03.540 Not that I'm, again, I don't even really have strong feelings about Fuentes.

01:18:06.460 I just don't care.

01:18:08.020 You know, he doesn't know anything.

01:18:09.200 He's not like a I don't really know what's the significant of significance of Fuentes other than as a tool to get other people to be quiet.

01:18:19.280 And that may be the whole point of Fuentes, by the way.

01:18:21.140 I don't know, but I wonder.

01:18:22.860 But anyway, the point is, what a waste.

01:18:25.120 And so you throw up to The New York Times like, well, actually, I think the members of Congress who are voting for ethnic cleansing in Gaza may be a little bit more morally questionable than some podcaster who lives in an apartment in Chicago and has no power at all. 0.63

01:18:41.340 And like her mind was just blown like, oh, Ted Cruz could be more damaging to other human beings than Nick Fuentes, but he's a white nationalist.

01:18:51.900 and I want to, I don't want to get sidetracked, but I want to be like, first of all, I'm not

01:18:55.480 even sure what a white nationalist is, but I noticed that white nationalist is the only

01:18:59.580 kind of nationalist that's not allowed. I mean, I believe in universal principles.

01:19:04.180 Weren't they calling you a white nationalist like two minutes ago at the New York Times?

01:19:07.900 I never even understood what it was. But I guess my point is

01:19:12.100 either a standard applies to everybody or it doesn't

01:19:16.080 apply to anybody. I just am a Christian. I believe in universal standards

01:19:20.000 for all people. That's the basis of our law, as you know, as an attorney. We don't have laws that

01:19:26.120 apply just to some people. Then they're not laws. They're just preferences. That's the definition

01:19:30.920 of corruption. And so if it's okay to be a nationalist, an ethnic nationalist, and we can

01:19:36.220 debate whether it is or should be or whatever, then it's okay for any group to be an ethnic

01:19:42.400 nationalist, white, black, Hispanic, Asian, Jewish, doesn't matter. But we live in this weird world

01:19:48.220 where there's only one category that's totally immoral

01:19:52.340 and the rest are encouraged.

01:19:53.480 And I just feel like those kind of- 0.96

01:19:55.880 It all starts with white. 0.94

01:19:56.660 I know. 0.98

01:19:57.080 But that's why Fuentes exists. 0.99

01:19:58.860 Who have made race everything. 0.99

01:20:00.140 Exactly, exactly.

01:20:01.620 And by the way, I think the New York Times-

01:20:03.620 They're the ones.

01:20:04.960 Lulu's paper and the left have made race everything.

01:20:09.420 They're the reason Nick Fuentes is popular, right?

01:20:11.660 Because the same generation that listens to him

01:20:13.440 has been told nothing other than race is all that matters.

01:20:16.760 You are defined by your skin color.

01:20:18.520 You know, choose your team because nobody else wants you or likes you or values you.

01:20:23.900 And unfortunately, a lot of people have believed it.

01:20:26.660 So they need to do some self-reflection over on that side.

01:20:30.160 I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.

01:20:33.660 As soon as they catch the people shorting oil futures, they're going to start to self-reflect, I think.

01:20:41.020 Right around when they release the 9-11 files.

01:20:43.260 so they're gonna they're gonna find the people who did the insider trading because i hope there

01:20:49.360 are still some honest brokers and there's a resentment of rich people and people who cheat

01:20:54.260 and trade you know on on other people's backs in the system and now unlike after 9-11 you have the

01:21:00.660 digital media you know you're right keep the story going and you know so we can ratchet up the

01:21:05.980 pressure on this in a way that the mainstream maybe wouldn't have and didn't after 9-11 i mean i hope

01:21:12.380 I hope that's what happens. All right. Now listen, I have to, I have to get this in before

01:21:15.420 you leave. Thank you so much for introducing us to Buckley Carlson, your brother. I also know

01:21:21.920 Buckley, your son, who's also awesome. But Buckley Carlson, your brother was a special treat Tucker

01:21:28.240 for the listening audience who didn't happen to catch. He's, I think you've had him on twice.

01:21:33.500 He's amazing. He's like Tucker uncensored. I mean, I know you don't censor yourself, but like

01:21:40.620 if you took away just like 10 percent of the like decorum that Tucker's learned from years of being

01:21:47.180 in the media, you have Buckley sitting there who doesn't give a flying fig what anyone thinks of

01:21:54.740 him. That became very clear. And I speak for America. We fell in love with Buckley. We pulled

01:22:00.660 this piece of the discussion, which set it off so perfectly. This is you two talking about

01:22:06.920 John McCain way back in the day

01:22:09.540 when you were young

01:22:10.260 and coming up as kids in D.C., 27.

01:22:13.400 The Republican Party was completely empty.

01:22:17.720 And I had also lived through-

01:22:19.280 Empty, what do you mean?

01:22:21.220 They had no principles

01:22:22.740 that they were willing to stand up for.

01:22:24.580 And I had seen,

01:22:25.280 probably the starkest example was John McCain,

01:22:28.540 who I had grown up really respecting.

01:22:31.200 It was at a time in America

01:22:32.280 when people actually celebrated war heroes.

01:22:34.320 I thought he was a war hero at that time.

01:22:36.040 I've subsequently learned differently, but it was when he attacked the tobacco industry early on

01:22:42.960 when I was first working for Corporate America, a big PR firm, and he had led the charge against

01:22:48.440 big tobacco and had been a grandstander and a phony. Tobacco was a great American heritage product.

01:22:57.400 And as a consumer who enjoyed tobacco, I always sort of respected it. But it tied in also with

01:23:05.360 a sense of personal responsibility, which we never see now, is there was a, you know,

01:23:09.080 you had the freedom to smoke. May it be bad for you? Yes, I think every smoker knew it was probably

01:23:13.360 bad for you. I love that. I did not see that, the John McCain thing, like what turned the

01:23:20.020 Carlsons on with John McCain? It was his war on big tobacco. But that set the tone for the rest

01:23:24.800 of the interview, and it was no holds barred. So can you just give me a couple of, give me some

01:23:30.280 insights into the wonderful Buckley Carlson? Into Uncle Buck, because he's known in our family.

01:23:34.960 Well, he's the smartest person.

01:23:36.720 Uncle Buck has probably 15 IQ points on me.

01:23:40.500 He is very intense intellectually,

01:23:43.400 reads constantly, like my father.

01:23:45.440 He keeps a book in the car to read at red lights

01:23:46.940 and has been everywhere.

01:23:49.460 You know, I spent all those years in the studio.

01:23:50.960 Uncle Buck was all around the world doing things

01:23:52.940 that was not exactly what he was doing,

01:23:54.260 but he was just everywhere all the time.

01:23:56.220 So he's just seen a lot.

01:23:57.780 And he's one of these people who's just decided,

01:24:01.140 like at age 15,

01:24:02.800 that's one of the reasons he didn't make it

01:24:03.880 through boarding school,

01:24:04.560 that he's just going to say what he thinks is true at all times, no matter what. And he loves

01:24:09.020 people. He loves dogs. He loves women. He's just a very warm person. Like my daughters love him.

01:24:13.680 In fact, one of them called me this morning about Uncle Buck and how great he is. But he,

01:24:18.120 so it's not that he's not acting out of rage or anything. He's acting out of love, but also just

01:24:22.640 an unshakable determination to say what he thinks is true at all times. And so it's just funny. He's

01:24:29.080 so famous. And doesn't care what you think in response. Oh, in my neighborhood in Northwest

01:24:32.920 usdc and in our family we have a big family uncle buck is very famous everyone talks about uncle

01:24:37.900 buck every day and it's only been in the last couple of months all of a sudden he's on the

01:24:42.100 internet i'm like what are you doing on the internet i had no idea he was on the internet

01:24:44.580 because i don't go on the internet that much his twitter game is second to none he's unbelievable

01:24:49.360 no he's the he's yeah he's my best friend and my favorite person but i just i'm amazed that other

01:24:54.380 people know who he is now it just cracks me up he's now becoming the dominant conversation in

01:24:59.000 my family too. Uh, he was just straight out of central casting Tucker with like the tan

01:25:05.280 and the cigarettes and like the suit and like just the grizzle, like, yeah, on everything.

01:25:11.500 I loved his lack of self-protection. Uh, great to see you, my friend. We'll talk again soon.

01:25:16.740 Thank you, Megan. Great to see you. Oh, lots of love Tucker. And I should point out,

01:25:21.960 we loved Buckley Carlson so much. We invited him to come on this program and he will,

01:25:25.480 He'll be on next month. I hope in person. I don't know. We're trying for that. So I can't wait for

01:25:31.660 that. Yeah, he's coming to the Red Studio. That's going to be super fun. OK, coming up next, the man

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01:28:21.320 Next, we turn to an important Republican primary race for U.S. Senate in South Carolina. 0.88

01:28:26.520 After more than two decades in his role, Lindsey Graham is facing a formidable primary challenge.

01:28:31.580 Mark Lynch is a South Carolina businessman, father, and deacon running to bring his business

01:28:36.680 skills and America First attitude to Washington.

01:28:39.640 The Republican primary is set for next month.

01:28:41.680 The question is, does he have a chance?

01:28:44.520 Joining me now, Mark Lynch.

01:28:46.800 Mark, welcome to the show.

01:28:47.760 Do you?

01:28:48.720 Oh, yes.

01:28:49.500 We sure do, Megan.

01:28:50.580 Thank you for having me on today.

01:28:52.760 Sure, you bet.

01:28:53.360 So why do you have a chance?

01:28:54.820 because I just did a quick search, and Pulse Opinion Research used Rasmussen Report's licensed

01:29:02.360 methodology for its poll and came up with the following result. Lindsey Graham has 41%,

01:29:08.020 and you are in second with 21%, which is a big gap to close.

01:29:13.780 Well, that was towards the end of March. Since then, on April 10th, the guy in third place,

01:29:20.020 Paul Dans realized with the polling and his not having the funding to really do this race

01:29:28.000 substantially like he wanted to endorse me, he took his name off the ballot, he endorsed me,

01:29:33.940 and he was at 11 percent. And that was an awesome, humbling, unifying thing to show the Republican

01:29:40.600 Party that he's still all in, his focus is still the same, to take out Lindsey Graham,

01:29:45.880 And he's working with me now, supporting me to do that. And when Rasmussen did an informed ballot, it flips. Lindsay falls to 23, and I go to 34 percent with still some undecided votes. And that was when Paul was still in the polling with 11 percent. So it's very—

01:30:07.000 What is an informed poll? What do you mean by that?

01:30:09.540 When the voters know more about me and understand my platform.

01:30:14.460 them. Well, even without the informed poll, you can see here in the numbers, you got unsure at

01:30:21.160 22%. So if Paul's voters at 11% endorse you, you're potentially at 32%. And then you got unsure

01:30:28.600 at 22. So if you had 32 and Lindsay had 41, you got 22% who you could still get, which is more

01:30:34.820 promising. So there is a chance. I do believe there is a chance. And it needs to happen, Mark.

01:30:41.800 Yes.

01:30:42.340 You tell me, because it sounds to me like you're very, very pro-Trump.

01:30:45.780 There's no daylight between you and the president.

01:30:48.500 It's not like an anti-Trump thing. 0.80

01:30:49.980 But you tell me, what is it about Lindsey Graham that led you to file this challenge?

01:30:55.520 Well, his conservative lifetime voting record is 43% failing.

01:31:00.780 His constitutional voting record is 57% failing.

01:31:05.380 He claims to be pro-life, but on his U.S. Senate page, he's from murdering children up to 15 weeks

01:31:11.440 and voted on a bill that puts our tax dollars into a blood pack with Satan,

01:31:16.820 with Obamacare and Medicaid funding Planned Parenthood in nine states

01:31:21.780 to murder babies up until the moment before delivery in the ninth month.

01:31:26.100 That's not a pro-life candidate.

01:31:28.200 And our founders of this country, when they wrote the Declaration of Independence,

01:31:32.900 realized we are endowed by our creator, God, with certain unalienable rights.

01:31:38.840 And the first right is the right to life.

01:31:41.860 And he's not supporting that.

01:31:43.260 So he's not really holding up to his oath to defend the U.S. Constitution and to defend

01:31:50.720 us against foreign and domestic enemies.

01:31:53.260 And he's not really a flip-flopper.

01:31:55.440 I would call him a traitor with some of the things he does.

01:31:58.620 but he does move to the right during election season so that he looks like he's a Republican

01:32:03.940 again. And everybody's tired of it. He doesn't seem to pro the right to life if you happen to

01:32:09.100 be a civilian in Gaza or Lebanon or Iran, for that matter, either. His bloodlust, and I just

01:32:16.680 finished a segment talking about how I have dear friends who are very pro this war in Iran. I 0.99

01:32:21.160 disagree with them, but I respect their opinion and I know they come by it honestly and in good

01:32:25.720 faith. Not him. He seems bloodthirsty, Mark. What do you make of his rhetoric around this war

01:32:35.640 and his constant pushing for more of it? Right. It's just evil. I mean, even on January 6th,

01:32:44.200 he's crazy. He told the news we should have shot him all in the head. Americans expressing their 1.00

01:32:51.560 freedom of speech and grievances against the elections that happened when Trump's election

01:32:57.420 was stolen in 2020. He wanted to shoot all the people on J6 in the head, and they were all let

01:33:03.800 in. That's crazy. I didn't know he said that. Oh, yeah. Yep. So people are tired of it. With 0.99

01:33:09.800 Trump's endorsement, everybody is concerned about that. The whole country loves Trump still,

01:33:17.100 whatever respects President Trump. But they've all said in South Carolina and America, that

01:33:22.820 endorsement won't save Lindsey Graham this time because Trump's made some bad endorsements.

01:33:27.600 That's OK. We understand that. But we've seen Lindsey's patterns and it's tired. We're all

01:33:32.360 tired of it. Enough's enough. It's time for him to go. What what why is it that South Carolinians

01:33:39.360 who are very sensible people among the best people? Why do they keep electing him? One reason,

01:33:46.100 Megan, is we have open primaries of all things. So we don't require party registration. So on the

01:33:52.940 primary on June 9th, Democrats can cross over and vote in republic elections and change our

01:34:00.080 election results. That's just crazy. And we can't get it changed because there's so many rhinos in

01:34:06.000 the statehouse, they'll never vote to close the primaries. So we have stagnation and we just 1.00

01:34:11.400 have things we can't get past. So that's how Democrats are voting for Lindsey Graham.

01:34:17.960 And, you know, when we first filed in February of 25, Breitbart News Organization contacted us and

01:34:24.280 said, we don't know what you're doing, but we've never seen Lindsey move to the right this early

01:34:29.560 in a campaign cycle. So we gave them some knowledge of an article that we had, an inner

01:34:34.740 email correspondence between Obama's chief campaign pollster Paul Harstad talking to John

01:34:41.300 Podesta, they thought, on a private email. And they all agreed that Lindsey Graham would be the

01:34:46.120 greatest ally to the Democrat Party they had ever had. So that tells the whole story. That's who he

01:34:52.020 is. Wow. Well, I certainly hope you manage to pull this out because America's had enough of Lindsey

01:34:58.260 Graham. I hope the South Carolinian people do the right thing and relieve us of this burden. We need

01:35:03.820 a true conservative in there, who's not a warmonger, who's not bloodthirsty, who's just

01:35:08.460 an honest, true red conservative person. And you seem like the man, Mark. Thank you. Thanks for

01:35:14.480 throwing your hat in the ring and we'll continue to watch it. Thank you, Megan. I would tell the

01:35:18.420 voters if I can go to lynchforsenate.com. What can we do? People always say, call me, tell me what

01:35:25.500 we can do. Pray for us. This is spiritual warfare. Everybody has one of these. Contact your friends

01:35:32.540 and family and tell them about me and support our campaign because it takes y'all out there.

01:35:39.160 I'm the guy that's willing to go. Help me get there. And let's replace him and give America

01:35:43.620 a wonderful birthday present on its 250th anniversary. We'll remove a traitor in Congress. 0.58

01:35:50.720 All the best to you. Thanks for coming on.

01:35:53.560 Thank you.

01:35:55.000 Wow, that'll be a fascinating contest. I mean, if he can keep that tight at all,

01:35:58.960 he's got a shot. I realize it's a long shot, but it's there. And I do think Lindsey Graham's been

01:36:05.500 more in the news negatively than he usually has been as he approaches yet another re-election.

01:36:12.240 If you are in South Carolina, please, please consider Mark Lynch and go to lynchforsenate.com.

01:36:17.620 Like he said, check out his platform. I think you're going to be very happy if you're

01:36:20.700 a Republican or a right-leaning independent. Okay. And the time we have left, I've got to

01:36:25.760 spend a minute on spencer pratt who was a star star at the la mayor's debate last night watching

01:36:33.440 him against karen bass and that other woman uh nithya raman it was a thing of beauty this guy

01:36:41.760 was real he was raw he was authentic he was unafraid my favorite clip is when he rolled

01:36:48.340 his eyes at the one it was like he he kind of made fun of her he was funny i enjoyed him thoroughly

01:36:53.840 And it doesn't appear that my friend Tish Hyman made the stage. 0.88

01:36:57.680 That doesn't bode well for her numbers.

01:36:59.080 But I am totally behind Spencer Pratt here after listening to him last night.

01:37:03.160 Let me give you an example in SOT 29.

01:37:05.980 I will go below the Harbor Freeway tomorrow with her.

01:37:08.940 And we can find some of these people she's going to offer treatment for. 0.99

01:37:12.000 She's going to get stabbed in the neck. 1.00

01:37:13.700 These people do not want a bed. 1.00

01:37:16.220 They want fentanyl or super meth.

01:37:18.060 These ideas cost us over $400 million to house for 70.

01:37:23.260 what did you say? 3,000 people for 400 million? This is an absolute failure for both of them.

01:37:28.820 They're a team. So the only question is whether Californians are going to respond as they

01:37:33.380 absolutely should to him, to that kind of frank talk. She's going to get stabbed in the neck if 0.98

01:37:38.200 she goes down to these homeless camps and tries to offer them her therapy or whatever. He's exactly 0.98

01:37:42.580 right, as we all know. And that's why she would never go there. And none of us do. So he's talking

01:37:47.500 frankly to Angelenos and they know it. They know what he's saying is real. And he's nonpartisan,

01:37:52.660 this guy. He's not a Republican. He's, I think, running as an independent. And he sounded like

01:37:56.860 an independent when you heard him talk last night. Here's a little bit more in SOT 28.

01:38:00.980 First off, Mayor Bass and I are definitely not working together. I blame this person

01:38:06.900 for burning my house and my parents' house and my town and all my neighbors down.

01:38:11.140 I am not working with Mayor Bass. Second off, if I wanted to run against anybody,

01:38:14.720 it would be the council member who is terrible. Mayor Bass has at least been a mayor for almost

01:38:20.220 four years and has as she talked about earlier the unions all the unions endorsed mayor best

01:38:25.700 you think it's easier to run against the incumbent mayor with all the unions or a random

01:38:30.620 city council member who's been a failure for six years i would much rather run against 0.60

01:38:35.440 councilwoman ramen thank you very much so that was brilliant because he dissed the councilwoman

01:38:42.160 as like a nobody which she she took issue with later you could see she was offended he didn't

01:38:46.920 And he treated it like she was like not some star and also dissed Karen Bass in the same fell swoop.

01:38:52.680 You could you could feel his contempt for his two adversaries in a way that was refreshing.

01:38:57.780 It wasn't a turnoff. It was like, yes, I think a lot of people are feeling it.

01:39:02.140 Karen Bass tried to get up there and blame the L.A. fire debacle on everyone other than herself, everyone.

01:39:09.800 And he was there. He's living in a trailer after his house.

01:39:13.140 he lost his house. He's saying with the receipts and he knew the facts and the figures. This is a

01:39:18.700 former reality TV star, but he has studied up and he knew his facts and the figures about what was

01:39:25.000 going on with the water reservoirs, what the winds were on the night. Cause Karen Bass likes to blame

01:39:29.700 the winds for a reason why we couldn't have the helicopters dropping the water as opposed to the 1.00

01:39:34.180 reservoirs being empty. He had all of his stats and figures and was firing them off with ease.

01:39:41.200 The other two were caught flat footed and looked embarrassed, frankly, that they didn't come to play.

01:39:47.480 Here's the sound, but I mentioned for the listening audience and for the listening audience, you got to go to YouTube just towards the end of the show to see this.

01:39:53.740 But it's worth it. Such a good clip. Watch.

01:39:57.880 I'm not sure how to respond to that vision of Los Angeles.

01:40:00.900 This is a MAGA Republicans idea of what Los Angeles looks like.

01:40:05.220 this is, this is really not, this is. So what happens in the clip is she's like kind of shaking

01:40:14.900 her head, you know, from side to side, like I'm at a loss here. And they cut to him in the middle

01:40:20.380 of this is what a MAGA Republicans, which he's not, by the way, a view of Los Angeles is. And

01:40:25.280 he just does a quick imitation of her with the shaking of the head. Very funny. Very good

01:40:35.320 political instincts. And you know what you walk away thinking at the end of the debate is he's

01:40:39.760 just likable. If you're anything other than a hard leftist, he is likable and he instills confidence.

01:40:47.000 And I think there's something about somebody who's been personally affected by the incompetence of

01:40:52.180 the current ruler, Karen Bass,

01:40:54.800 that will be inspirational

01:40:56.480 and hopefully motivational

01:40:58.060 for the people who live in LA.

01:41:00.380 Please save LA, save LA.

01:41:03.100 You guys need Spencer Pratt.

01:41:05.500 Don't miss the show tomorrow.

01:41:07.900 Maureen Callahan comes back on the show.

01:41:10.780 That's gonna be fun. 0.99

01:41:13.720 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

01:41:15.840 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - May 07, 2026

Tucker Carlson on Neocons vs. Trump's Iran Peace Deal, and ＂Hate Speech＂ Censorship, Plus Lindsey Graham's Primary Challenger ｜ Ep. 1312

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