Join Megyn Kelly and Tucker Carlson as they discuss the latest on the latest in the Iran crisis, including the possibility of a deal between the US and Iran to end the war, and the reaction from the neocon reaction.
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00:03:36.160other than what they think netanyahu wants but if you were to ask shapiro or ask mark teeson
00:03:43.020whoever that is or ask mark levin like how does this play out exactly um they don't have any clue
00:03:49.540i mean there was a the i see the american intelligence community reached the assessment
00:03:56.120yesterday and it was leaked today to the washington post in a john hudson piece that
00:04:01.380Iran has three or four months of basically stability left in it. There's no imminent
00:04:09.560collapse of the Iranian regime. That's just not true. The blockade is not toppling this
00:04:16.560government. And so what are three or four more months of a closed strait look like for the rest
00:04:22.160of the world? Well, for Asia, for Africa, for Europe, for North America, for the United States,
00:04:27.880it's a pure disaster do they have a response to that of course not they don't care they probably
00:04:33.220don't even know nothing matters to the people you just mentioned other than the political fortunes
00:04:39.080of the prime minister of israel by the way it's not even good for israel how is this good for
00:04:43.280israel in no sense is it good for israel but bb wants it so they repeat it and i just i really
00:04:49.680pray that the u.s government the administration will stop listening to these people they're the0.58
00:04:54.040same ones who got us into the Iraq war. Trump used to know that. I don't know how they went up in
00:04:58.320charge again. Yeah. There's an article in the Free Press, Barry Weiss's publication, by Amit Siegel,
00:05:08.540who's the chief political correspondent for Israel's Channel 12, arguing that, geez, you know,
00:05:14.360the reports are that we're closer to a deal than at any point during this war. And it's unfortunate
00:05:19.340timing, writing that if the status quo blockade remains, the Islamic Republic will not survive
00:05:26.3002026 and saying that the, but however, this entire strategy relies on that big if of the
00:05:32.980blockade continuing. So if Israel hopes to sustain the blockade through the end of 2026, Tucker,
00:05:40.720through the end of 2026, Israel hoping, no, it's, we are the ones doing the blockade.
00:05:45.720Well, of course, there is the unavoidable matter of the American midterm elections to contend with and trying to refocus the president, arguing that Iran will be his legacy pushing.
00:05:56.540Now, that's the first we've heard someone openly say the blockades got to go on through the end of 26 post the midterms.0.54
00:06:04.340tucker israel could not sustain a blockade or defend itself for 24 hours without the 1.5 trillion
00:06:14.100dollar u.s military backstopping it and enforcing the long-standing defense guarantee that we have
00:06:20.680with israel if that were to go away israel would have two choices it would either suffer elimination
00:06:26.860or would use nuclear weapons so that's where we'd be without the united states government
00:06:32.520backstopping Israel, period. So anybody who tells you Israel's going to do this, Israel's going to0.83
00:06:37.340do that, Israel has no capacity to defend itself, period. And anyone who works at the Pentagon,
00:06:42.840who will speak to you honestly off the record, will explain it to you in great detail,
00:06:46.460we wouldn't, Israel would have done none of this. It wouldn't have a six or eight or ten front war
00:06:50.660or whatever kind of multi-headed war they're now waging. None of that would have been possible
00:06:55.800without the U.S. military, U.S. service members being killed on their behalf, U.S. tax dollars
00:07:00.280paying for the whole thing so there's that but there's this weird kind of tunnel vision
00:07:05.260and i do think it begins with trump where all that matters is iran and making sure they don't
00:07:12.200have nuclear weapons and degrading them toppling the regime in tehran it's like that's something
00:07:19.160that you might want to do i guess in a perfect world but that's like number 417 on your to-do
00:07:26.280list if you're the american president the number one thing you have to do is make sure your own
00:07:30.180country doesn't degrade. Its people don't become poor. Your OD rate for young men doesn't rise as
00:07:36.660it is rising. There are jobs for your kids. You have some kind of plan when AI eliminates half
00:07:43.740of all white collar jobs in the United States in the next three years. You need to think about your
00:07:48.580own country. And so the idea that the purpose of the US government is to somehow keep the world
00:07:55.660safe from Iran is insane. And so if you begin there, of course, you wind up like Mark Thiessen0.97
00:08:01.080and all you care about is Iran. There is a world that's pretty easy to imagine where you would
00:08:07.140just live with a sovereign Iran, which is a regional power. It always has been for thousands0.96
00:08:12.580of years. It will remain a regional power. Sorry. And that's just the world that we're going to live
00:08:17.480with. It's not the ideal world, but we don't get an ideal world. We have a world in which we create
00:08:22.280priorities, and the U.S. government has to put its own people at the top of that list, and it's not.
00:08:28.440A case in point, the argument over whether we should continue to provide the subsidies for
00:08:34.280Obamacare recipients that we just went through over the latest closing of the government was
00:08:39.280saying these people, I mean, through no fault of their own, Barack Obama took away their health
00:08:43.120care that they had and they liked and their doctors and replaced it with a government-run
00:08:47.240program called Obamacare. And it was so expensive and ridiculous, the government had to
00:08:52.260subsidize it so that the people didn't realize how much more it was costing them for the first
00:08:56.78010 plus years. And now here we are with the bill coming due, the subsidies going away.
00:09:01.540And the argument by the Democrats was we need like some $25 billion in subsidies in order to
00:09:07.520keep this going. The government said, are you crazy? We can't afford that. Guess what? We just0.93
00:09:11.600spent a minimum on this Iran war. The price tag was $25 billion. Of course, it's much more than0.55
00:09:18.420that but that's what the pentagon's willing to admit so we've spent it on iran but we wouldn't
00:09:22.900spend it on our own people to save them the pain from this bill that was shoved down their throats
00:09:27.440by barack obama and now we find out that though president trump said that we're going to have this
00:09:33.380this ballroom built and it's going to be completely free it's going to be privately funded
00:09:38.620no it turns out they slipped a hundred million dollars into the budget a billion um not openly
00:09:45.560yes, sorry. Okay. Not openly owning what that was going to actually cost people. So yes,
00:09:50.960the priorities are definitely not on the pocketbooks of the American people and they know it.
00:09:54.940But wait, I want to get back to what the pressure that they're putting on Trump not to enter into a
00:09:59.640deal. And I agree with you. I have no idea whether there's a 14 point deal or not. None whatsoever.
00:10:03.240I don't trust a word President Trump says about this anymore. He's told us 31 times that the
00:10:07.880Iran war is over. Okay. Only to then tweet about how we're going to bomb them into oblivion.
00:10:12.660So what we're seeing is, yes, I mentioned the free press and, of course, Mark Levin.0.56
00:10:21.080Now you've got this Israel first think tank, the Foundation for Defensive Democracies out there, actually saying that the Iran war presents Trump with an opportunity more transformative than the collapse of the Soviet Union.0.87
00:10:35.840talking about how the window for regime change remains open as Iranians still await the call0.78
00:10:41.780from the president to take to the streets like they they want every last thing. We want regime1.00
00:10:46.480change. We want to annihilate what's left of the regime. And that brings me to my next soundbite,0.99
00:10:51.140which is Hugh Hewitt hosting John Podoretz, Sot 2. Up until now, it was the Supreme Court,
00:10:59.780But if he actually crushes the Iranian nuclear threat, that's a world historical achievement.0.96
00:11:07.200This deal is not that, is it, John?0.67
00:21:46.580We could hit other energy resources inside the country.
00:21:48.640We could take down another layer of the IRGC.
00:21:50.920We'll probably have to do at some point another kinetic action against missile facilities that have been uncovered over the course of the last few weeks.
00:21:57.840But anybody who believes at this point that Iran is winning this war is missing the boat.
00:22:03.760I mean, this is just an example of the pressure that Trump is under from Shapiro, Levin, I'm sure, Lindsey Graham, Mark Thiessen, General Jack Keene, Rupert Murdoch, and many, many others to pedal to the metal.
00:22:19.320Don't settle with a 14 point deal. Don't settle at all. Keep going militarily until there's nothing left of the people who used to be in charge in Iran or even the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, which, as I point out, is tens of thousands strong.
00:22:33.920You wonder where the pressure is coming from. I mean, those are clearly the spokesmen for the coalition applying pressure, but they're not in themselves powerful figures.
00:22:43.480I mean, Mark Levin has almost no viewers. Ben Shapiro is going out of business.
00:22:47.180No one. You look at his videos on his website, Tucker, on like his YouTube channel. Each one
00:22:51.380has like 500 views. Well, exactly. I mean, these are the this is the outer fringe of the outer
00:22:57.480fringe. Nobody watches this stuff. There's no audience for this. There's no constituency for
00:23:01.900it. This is totally divorced from the actual problems Americans face. It's it's hurting our
00:23:06.960country measurably. Six dollar gasoline is the result of these policies. These are the people
00:23:13.100got us in the Iraq war like nobody is for this and these are not major figures in American media
00:23:18.380they're tiny I mean your average porn video has a thousand more views than any of these people get
00:23:24.860so they're a joke I don't think these are the people applying the pressure I do think this
00:23:30.540is coming from donors I think it's coming from Miriam Adelson and Paul Singer and the people who
00:23:34.860totally huge players in Republican politics because they fund it they fund a lot of it
00:23:40.520maybe a plurality, possibly a majority of it, all of it, not just at the federal level,
00:23:44.880but also state level. They're the ones funding the opposition to Thomas Massey in a Republican
00:23:49.940primary in Kentucky, $10 million. So these are people who have a huge influence over American
00:23:54.840politics, and they're acting on behalf of the government of Israel, not on behalf of all0.50
00:23:58.460Israelis, much less all Jews in the world. Hardly. They want you to believe that. It's a lie.
00:24:04.400Plenty of Jews hate them for good reason. But they're acting on behalf of the Netanyahu1.00
00:24:09.580government on behalf of foreign power. And I do think that's where the influence is coming. Like
00:24:15.100Mark Levin, Trump does not take Mark Levin seriously. Nobody likes Mark Levin. Ben Shapiro,
00:24:21.180I don't think he knows Trump. He's always hated Trump. Trump doesn't like him.
00:24:25.120These people are just irrelevant. They're a sideshow. Mary Madelson is not irrelevant.
00:24:30.160Paul Singer is not irrelevant. These are serious.
00:24:32.360Paul, you give Trump $200 million and you get his attention.
00:24:40.040You mentioned Thomas Massey. I know you had him on your show just the other day. And amazingly, even though he is incredibly popular in his home state, that campaign against him, he revealed to you, is working. Trump's trying to primary him. He's been against the Trump agenda on a couple of items.
00:24:56.900I mean, he usually votes with the Trump agenda, but he's definitely been outspoken on Epstein and on Israel, to name two.
00:25:04.500And now these outside groups, like Marianne Adelson's money, have swooped in to help try to defeat him.
00:25:12.120And it was news to me, because I hadn't been watching it that carefully, that it's working.
00:25:16.540Here's a soundbite from his interview with you yesterday, SOT14.
00:25:21.480Full-on blowouts in the Republican primary in your district in Kentucky.
00:25:24.760And now it's within a couple of points and you could lose.
00:25:28.500And the difference is they have spent $10 million against you.
00:33:34.700And so now he's commander in chief. He's seeing how impressive and amazing our military is and they truly are and they can do heroic and amazing things. And he's at the top of the command. And I truly believe he thought I can do this. BB says they're going to be above ground. I can take out the Ayatollah and his top emissaries. It's four days. I'm in. I'm out. I'm lauded as a hero.
00:33:58.700I'm going to have these people writing things like it's the greatest thing since, you know, whatever, the Russian revolution, the fall of the Soviet Union.0.55
00:34:06.600And he bought it because he is a narcissist.
00:34:09.880They all are when they become president.
00:38:31.180a bipartisan resolution condemning the rise of anti-Semitic hate-filled rhetoric
00:38:37.100disseminated by prominent online personalities.
00:38:41.240The two they name specifically, but it's not limited to them.
00:38:45.020It's just including Hassan Piker, he's of the left, and Candace,
00:38:49.220and calling on social media platforms and public leaders.
00:38:53.120So all the social media platforms and government leaders to take a stronger action,
00:38:58.660quote, against hate. This is an obvious push to censor opinions about Israel. That's what this
00:39:07.840is. Okay. And they go through saying, and Tapper mentioned you as well, but they say that they're
00:39:14.180dangerous. Their rhetoric and their conspiracy theories, I'm reading from the resolution for
00:39:19.820the actual text of it, are dangerous and contribute to a climate of hatred and intolerance.
00:39:25.520Individuals with online platforms have a responsibility to refrain from promoting or
00:39:31.020amplifying anti-Semitic narratives and disinformation. Now, this is our government
00:39:36.100telling all of us who are in the digital space, we have a responsibility to refrain from hate
00:39:42.820speech. No, we don't. No, we don't. Actually, we can engage in as much hate speech as we want.
00:39:49.040That's America. That's the beauty of being an American. You don't like it?
00:39:52.600There's this wonderful imaginary thing that you apparently don't know about called the dial.
00:39:57.860And if you press the dial, you can go right down the lane to listen to Rachel Maddow or Kara Swisher or somebody who's saying what you like.
00:40:06.320Here they write, social media and streaming platforms should take appropriate steps to enforce their policies against hate speech and prevent the spread of anti-Semitic content.
00:40:19.040Public officials and community leaders should unequivocally condemn anti-Semitism,
00:40:23.400including when it's propagated by high-profile media figures and influencers.
00:41:14.280She's from CBS, Margaret Brennan, saying the Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of the press, the freedom of speech like their little First Amendment advocates, Tucker, just reminding everybody they don't want government interference.
00:41:28.740OK, this is great. It's on. These two guys have this insane resolution, which is basically calling for censorship against anybody with criticisms of Israel.
00:41:37.160And they go on with the free speech advocate himself. He's so important to put it in a pocket square, Tucker.
00:41:41.940OK, and this is how that went. I don't have it in front of me, but my team knows what I'm looking for. Is this top five? Let's hear it.
00:41:50.320We have seen a rise of anti-Semitism, especially on social media, and a lot of it at the voice
00:42:00.080of people like Hassan Piker and Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson, among others, who are
00:42:07.720promoting anti-Semitic hate speech, who continually seem to engage in long-standing anti-Semitic
00:42:19.920First Amendment says Congress shall make no law establishing the freedom of speech or of the
00:42:24.280press. What do you say to somebody who wonders, are you not risking running afoul of that?
00:42:29.660Hassan Piker, Candace Owens, this is hate speech intended to incite violence. And our resolution
00:42:35.100is really focused on we've got to take the temperature down. This kind of hate speech
00:42:39.680is unacceptable. People like Hassan Piker and Candace Owens shouldn't be out there
00:42:44.460campaigning with elected officials and being used and propped up as heroes when you have,0.99
00:42:51.760you know, Piker saying things like Jews are bloodthirsty pig dogs and inbred and saying0.98
00:42:58.120that 9-11, America deserved 9-11. Your thoughts on that? It's just amazing to see Jake Tapper0.99
00:43:05.440abetting something like this, encouraging. I remember when he was a lobbyist for Hooters,
00:43:10.060thinking about becoming a journalist he was literally a lobbyist for hooters i i knew him
00:43:15.480well at the time oh yeah oh absolutely uh yeah he was traveling around america with the hooters
00:43:22.240girls promoting hooters um i mean he's like i think i'm gonna go into journalism uh and you
00:43:27.860know he did and unfortunately didn't do as well as he'd hoped to do but i still thought he was
00:43:33.780like a journalist um and there he is saying things like well do you think passing a law
00:43:40.600trying to get people scrubbed from the internet might be brushing up against the limits of the
00:43:45.700first amendment what it's completely in contravention first amendment it's the most
00:43:49.500obvious violation of the first amendment and he knows that but he doesn't care because he
00:43:54.440like the two guys on the set cares more about the fortunes of the netanyahu government he's an agent
00:43:59.460for a foreign country in this specific case and has been for a long time obviously but what's so
00:44:04.980interesting and mind-bending is that those three are accusing other people of hate speech those
00:44:12.900three have spent the last almost three years making excuses for ethnic cleansing the murder0.70
00:44:19.140of children the killing of people because they have impure blood the killing of palestinians
00:44:25.140in Gaza and the West Bank, the murder of civilians in Lebanon, now the killing of civilians in Iran,0.97
00:44:31.200all because of the way they were born. These are people who are daily encouraging violence. Now,0.62
00:44:38.660I can't speak for the other two they're attacking. I'll speak for myself. I'm totally opposed to
00:44:42.400violence. I'm a Christian. I believe in the Sermon on the Mount. I think it's wrong to kill people,
00:44:47.240and I think it's totally unacceptable to kill people who did nothing wrong, to kill innocents.
00:44:51.640That is a red line that you cannot cross. And I sincerely believe that. So I'll just again,
00:44:57.180I'm not being defensive. I'm just noting what is I say every single day. I am opposed to violence
00:45:03.620against innocents. It's the main thing I oppose. It's why I oppose Jake Tapper and that Lawler,
00:45:09.540that shill for Israel Lawler guy and the Gottheimer from New Jersey. It's not that I dislike them
00:45:14.680personally. I feel sorry for all three of them. It's that I don't agree with their program of
00:45:19.640hate and violence and it's just so interesting that they whip it around like no no anyone who
00:45:24.020criticizes ethnic cleansing in gaza is guilty of hate and abetting violence it's like come on i'm
00:45:31.540not falling for it'll work by the way they're absolutely going to censor the internet of course
00:45:36.240at the urging of the israeli government using our tax dollars there's no doubt that people are going
00:45:41.500to be i mean i really hope that the social media companies have learned their lesson because we
00:45:45.020Remember, they were censoring all talk about, you know, the trans issue for years.
00:45:50.300They were censoring. You couldn't say that it's a sickness.
00:45:53.120It's you're unwell. If you have this gender confusion, you couldn't say that a man cannot become a woman.
00:45:58.880YouTube was censoring as well. And it took years for us to get them to the point where you can you you can call Leah Thomas a he because that's what he is.0.96
00:46:09.360years, but they got there and they eventually got, came around on COVID too. So like this0.87
00:46:14.460cannot become the new one where this powerful lobby comes and holds this cudgel over the,
00:46:19.860you know, heads of the social media companies saying that's the new hate speech. Like this
00:46:25.240whole thing about hate speech is very dangerous because I, I was also told for years, you can
00:46:30.580criticize Israel, you can criticize Israel and not be called an anti-Semite. You know, that's
00:46:34.680different from Jews, which is the latter part is true to your point earlier. There are a lot of1.00
00:46:40.020Jews who don't like Netanyahu. I know from our mutual friend, Melissa Francis, who's been over
00:46:44.940to Israel a lot, that there's, there's some very controversial opinions about some of these figures
00:46:49.080like Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin. They are not universally beloved over there because they're
00:46:53.960so divisive. And there are a lot of Israelis who are like, just stop. You're not helpful,1.00
00:46:57.740not to mention american jews but that pro-israel first crowd does conflate the two and that's what
00:47:04.940this resolution is conflating the two that if you say hateful things about israel or this war
00:47:11.460these guys want to censor you and it's hard to imagine that happening right now but the second
00:47:18.580there's a domestic terror attack and i i'm very concerned that there will be in which innocents
00:47:23.940are murdered whether it's a real one or a false flag those are common not all terror attacks are
00:47:30.680false flags some are we know that but how whatever the cause whoever the perpetrator innocence if
00:47:38.000they are murdered in the united states will be used as a pretext an excuse for shutting down
00:47:44.120criticism of the people in charge that's always the way it works in every authoritarian regime
00:47:49.500well in every regime that's that's why it's the first amendment because the framers understood
00:47:52.820human nature very well. And they knew that people with power will always want to stop criticism
00:47:57.920of themselves. And let's be super clear, American policy toward Israel, it's American tax dollars
00:48:04.920that allow the ethnic cleansing going on in Israel's neighbors. That's the result of votes0.87
00:48:10.620taken in the U.S. Congress, which is not majority Jewish. It's not just about the Jews. It's about0.63
00:48:15.320everybody in charge has been four square behind this stuff, has been backing it,
00:48:21.980has been allowing it to happen in some cases in the case of mike huckabee for example has been
00:48:26.280enthusiastically cheering it on so it's again it's not about criticizing jews or anti-semitism
00:48:33.000it's about criticizing the policies of the united states government which are deeply held by our
00:48:40.640leaders and they don't want criticism of that at all and they will do everything they can to shut
00:48:45.140down that criticism you watch i mean we've spent the first hour criticizing a president we both
00:48:50.940campaigned for. We can criticize our leaders. We are free to criticize whatever political leader
00:48:57.780we want, domestically or foreign. I mean, this is like the notion that, oh, that's a bridge too far
00:49:04.060when you take it over to Israel. It's just absurd. It's so antithetical to being an American.
00:49:08.240I think I have time to get a second soundbite in from this representative Lawler, and I'm going
00:49:12.080to try for it, SOT7. Well, Congressman Lawler, what do you say to somebody who might say, look,
00:49:16.440it's very easy to take on Candace Owens. It's very easy to take on Hassan Piker. But what about
00:49:21.420the politicians who campaign with them or the politicians who, well, Tucker Carlson spoke at
00:49:28.140the Republican National Convention in 2024, that by going after these individuals and not the folks
00:49:33.380who enable them, the people who join them on the campaign trail or such, you're doing something
00:49:40.040easier than what would need to be done. First of all, these folks are grifters and they foment
00:49:47.040this hate to make money. I've called out people in my own party like Marjorie Taylor Greene,0.94
00:49:52.640one of the dumbest people to ever serve in Congress, who talked about Jewish space lasers0.99
00:49:57.280and continues to engage in anti-Semitic tropes. The fact is, in both parties, we need to call out0.99
00:50:05.300this extremism. We need to demand better of our elected officials and really hold these
00:50:11.540individuals that foment hate to account. So there's the push to punish the politicians
00:50:17.780who associate with the Israel critics. Marjorie Taylor Greene never said a word about Jewish
00:50:23.700space lasers. That's a lie. But what's so funny is their grifters says the guy, Mike Lawler,
00:50:29.420who's taking all this money from a foreign lobby, an unregistered foreign lobby. I mean,
00:50:34.480it's all just inversion as it always is. I would just say censorship is coming and it's coming
00:50:41.000because the people in charge failed. Their failures are really obvious and it's too painful
00:50:44.800for them to be reminded of that. So they will use whatever pretext they need to shut down that
00:50:49.760criticism. But I don't think it's going to work long term. Yes, I hope you're right. All right,
00:50:54.720we have much more to discuss. We're going to take a quick break. We are back on the opposite side of
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00:57:38.060Because with these terrible approval numbers, with the midterms all but lost already to the Republicans, he basically becomes a lame duck after those midterms one way or another because the 2028 presidential election gets into full swing after midterms and all the focus goes on the new person, not on the one who's holding the office.
00:57:59.400and especially if he's got a democrat controlled house god forbid a democrat controlled senate too
00:58:04.500he's there's nothing there's no legislation that's going to get through not that any did
00:58:09.440his first year you know we had one piece of big legislation well two we had the taxes uh extended
00:58:15.280and tax cuts and we had the lake and riley act but in any event so what happens to trump now
00:58:20.360you know on inauguration day i got up really early and i went to church with trump and charlie kirk
00:58:26.960I sat with Charlie Kirky right behind Trump in church, and I had a whole, and I said my prayers,
00:58:32.340and I had a lot of thoughts about what this new world was going to look like, and all of them
00:58:37.200were wrong. So it's so important to remember that, that we're just not good at predicting
00:58:43.280the future. You know, we imagine like this is going to happen in November in the midterms.
00:58:47.460Maybe, maybe not. Like, we don't really know. I do believe it's clear that volatility is coming
00:58:54.460for sure. And there's going to be a lot of change. And it doesn't mean everyone's going to get hurt.
00:58:58.100Some people will thrive in the middle of it. Bill Ackman will be just fine. He'll be richer than
00:59:01.200ever. We know that. But a lot of us will be fine, too. But some people are going to get hurt. I just
00:59:06.200feel that really strongly. And I feel really sad about it. And I just hope that we can keep our
00:59:10.600heads one way or the other. And just remember that Trump turns 80 next month, you know,
00:59:15.520and I hope he has a great birthday. I don't wish Trump ill. I never will wish Trump ill. I always
00:59:19.640have a gut level affection for Trump. That will never change. However, he will be gone relatively
00:59:26.160soon and we'll still have this country. And after 10 years of thinking and talking about him all
00:59:31.520day, every day, I just wonder if we're prepared for what that's going to look like. I don't think
00:59:35.800things are going well. I think they could be a lot worse. I think there, I can think, imagine
00:59:39.340other leaders who are both malicious and competent. Trump is incompetent. So that's a good thing in1.00
00:59:44.820some ways. I mean, Gavin Newsom is not incompetent. He's far more malicious than Trump. I think he's
00:59:52.740far less transparent than Trump. Like, I don't know, we just need to keep our wits about us
00:59:57.340and not ping pong from one bad idea to another bad idea. There is a kind of sensible way forward
01:00:04.680where we minimize the losses, where we strengthen the country to the extent we can, where we find
01:00:08.720something that every American has in common with every other American, that would be a good start.
01:00:12.440I don't know. I think we can manage this if we stay calm. And just because this version of
01:00:19.900capitalism is clearly fake and the markets are clearly being manipulated and, you know, a lot
01:00:24.800of what we think is real is not real doesn't mean that we need the state to run the economy,
01:00:30.380for example. Just because this war is insane and counterproductive doesn't mean we need to
01:00:35.860disband the military. I mean, like, there's a way to think about this that's measured and thoughtful
01:00:40.800and not just reactionary and i hope that we do the um those trades that you made reference to
01:00:47.180are now the subject of an uh doj and um commodities future trading commission investigation just for
01:00:54.540the listening audience we've been talking about this a little show they're probing the 2.6
01:00:59.460billion dollars in oil trades related to the iran war abc news obtaining the data that they're
01:01:06.560looking into from the London Stock Exchange Group. They include on March 23rd, 15 minutes
01:01:11.680before Trump announced he would delay the threatened attacks on Iran's power grid.
01:01:15.500Traders bet more than 500 million the oil prices would fall. On April 7th, hours ahead of a
01:01:19.980temporary ceasefire announced by Trump, traders bet 960 million that oil prices would fall.
01:01:25.460On April 17th, 20 minutes before Iran's foreign minister announced that the Strait of Hormuz was
01:01:31.860open. Traders bet $760 million that oil prices would fall. On April 21st, 15 minutes before
01:01:37.500Trump announced that he would extend the ceasefire, traders placed a series of bets worth
01:01:42.380$430 million that oil prices would fall. Thank God they're investigating this, Tucker. Thank God.
01:01:47.800I actually wondered and worried about whether they would ignore it.
01:01:52.660Maybe I'm too cynical. You mentioned 9-11. In the days before 9-11, someone with foreknowledge
01:01:58.780of the 9-11 attacks bet big shorts against the airlines and the banks involved in those attacks
01:02:05.180and the fbi investigated it solemnly we got to find out who knew 9-11 was coming they found out
01:02:11.440who did it and they've never to this day released the identities of the person or people who made
01:02:16.080those bets so i you know and we have a right to know we have a right to all 9-11 files declassified
01:02:23.220no one is even trying to that no one will ever do that and you have to ask well why is that why
01:02:27.620can't we know? I don't know the answer, but we can't even know that. So I'm not too hopeful that
01:02:35.240we will find out who did this and that anyone will ever be punished. I will say, if you look
01:02:39.020at the commodities numbers, for example, oil, Brent crude, a hundred bucks, really? The Strait
01:02:45.000of Hormuz has been closed for two months and oil is at a hundred bucks a barrel. It was at what,
01:02:49.600180 or something like that during the financial crisis in 2008. Like this doesn't make any sense.
01:02:54.720gold. You see the U.S. dollar is clearly in retreat. Clearly, they're settling oil in
01:03:01.640yuan, in Chinese currency. And gold, is it 4,700 an ounce? It's not rising.
01:03:09.680And you have to ask, what are the forces that are moving markets? Are they natural forces?
01:03:15.080Are these the markets that we were told they were? Supply and demand being the two forces
01:03:20.520that control the market, or are there other forces? Clearly, international markets, equities
01:03:26.780markets, commodities markets are not what we thought they were. And hopefully, they will be
01:03:31.420at some point. But one of the things I've learned in the last two months is that, whoa, there's some
01:03:36.420rigging going on here. And it's very distressing. And it doesn't make any sense. It does not make
01:03:42.820sense. If you think supply and demand drive markets, it's beyond my understanding. I'm just
01:03:49.440saying the fundamentals should be reflected in the price of these commodities and they're not
01:03:56.480fair point right so it's bizarre um on the subject of the economy an american company is struggling
01:04:03.920mightily it's called the daily wire and they've reportedly laid off as many as 50 or 60 percent
01:04:09.420of their staff they deny that uh they say those numbers are overstated but they've definitely had
01:04:14.880massive layoffs over the Daily Wire. Why do you think that is?
01:04:18.880I knew an old political consultant once 30 years ago was covering a campaign and he said,
01:04:23.000you know, propaganda works, advertising works, but ultimately reality makes the difference.
01:04:27.240You can spend a billion dollars advertising a dog food, but if the dogs won't eat it,
01:04:31.280it's just not going to sell. And I just don't think the dogs are going to eat this dog food.
01:04:35.680I mean, there's more supply than there is demand in this case. There's an awful lot of Daily Wire
01:04:41.040not a lot of people want to consume it who is the constituency for more wars hey americans shut up
01:04:47.640and stop complaining get back to work retirement as ben shapiro famously explained retirement is
01:04:53.840immoral you should be working for him and his family i guess i don't know but the contempt the
01:04:59.560pure contempt that shapiro and not all the people work at daily wire but some of them have shown for
01:05:05.440their audience like it's not a long-term play it doesn't work after a while if you hate your
01:05:09.900audience, if you hate your voters, in the end, you're going to be rewarded with failure. And
01:05:15.160that's not surprisingly what they're getting. And I'm, you know, I don't, I don't rejoice over
01:05:19.480anybody's failure, including Ben Shapiro's. I don't hate Ben Shapiro. I don't even, I don't
01:05:24.080even care enough to dislike Ben Shapiro, but I'm just, I just will say I'm not surprised at all.
01:05:28.720He should go do something else useful. He, um, a few years ago was on Bill Maher bragging about
01:05:36.340his bed made of money that he sleeps on every night and look it up it's all over the internet
01:05:41.920it was a shocking thing to say and it's what you don't say things like that right because it's like
01:05:47.260that then when something like this happens it feels like karma and he also of course famously
01:05:53.360or infamously depending on your pov tried to kick you out of the conservative movement tried
01:05:57.120to kick steve bannon out uh threw me in there for good mention in december and i do think
01:06:02.020regardless of one's feelings on the three of us, I don't think conservatives are into that kind of
01:06:07.760policing. It's pretty antithetical to what makes one a conservative, which is like hands off to
01:06:14.600each his own. We have our points of view. We may fight and disagree, but we don't excommunicate
01:06:19.540over here on team rational. No, and also money worship is bad. I just want to say it. I'm not,
01:06:25.640I'm hardly a socialist. I don't, I hate socialism, but like money for its own sake, accumulating
01:06:30.880money just so you have more money, which is very much Ben's worldview, is disgusting.
01:06:35.280Like, that's not, when is that, since when is that virtuous?
01:06:53.500But accumulating money, bragging about how much money you have, measuring your value
01:06:58.240by money. These are contemptible things. And we've lost the ability to say that on the right
01:07:05.300because people whip around. They're like, oh, are you Ocasio-Cortez now? It's like, it's so stupid.
01:07:11.980No, I'm not Ocasio-Cortez, whoever that is, that absurd person. No, but we do not worship money1.00
01:07:19.780because that's low and disgusting. In fact, our Bible calls it evil, the root of evil. And we
01:07:25.800should just say that it's just true it's like accumulating money for its own sake is ugly that
01:07:30.000was always been the irony and yeah is the same man is accusing you and me for that matter of
01:07:36.160chasing clicks for the for opposing the iran war and yesterday there was a soundbite of me
01:07:44.220on with mark halperin on his show talking about how i my understanding is that you've had an
01:07:51.120influx of young viewers and some Muslims now that are taking another look at the Tucker Carlson show
01:07:57.940because you've, you've been somewhat defensive of Islam, just, just the blatant attacks on it as a
01:08:03.360religion. And I also said something that you and I talked about months ago, which was, as I now see
01:08:10.160what Israel does to you, I mean, truly like its emissaries for sure have unleashed a vicious0.84
01:08:15.000campaign against yours truly on social media and elsewhere. It's fine. I mean, we're handling it,0.99
01:08:18.840But as I now see what they do, it does cause me to reevaluate what other propaganda has been out there that I've fallen for that's coming from a foreign government.
01:08:32.760Like he's gotten very, very popular lately.
01:08:36.240I read with Muslim viewers because he's been standing up for Islam, you know, and I have to tell you, Mark, it's been something I've noticed just since I've gotten a sort of more clear eyed on Israel.
01:08:47.960that a lot of the anti-Muslim rhetoric that's put out there originates with people who are
01:08:55.320very, very pro-Israel, who kind of need us to demonize them. And I've taken a look recently
01:09:01.020at my own rhetoric on this to say, like, have I been manipulated? I want to make sure I'm not
01:09:04.640getting manipulated. But I think he's having a lot of Muslim viewers flock to him. I know for a fact
01:09:09.620he has a lot of young men flocking to him. And so while he may have lost some contingent of the
01:09:15.380Fox News audience that's very, very pro-Israel and pro-Trump and you can't say anything about
01:09:20.880Trump. For every one of those who leaves, there is another newer, younger audience member who
01:09:28.760does want to hear these traditional lines challenged and hear just new independent
01:09:34.180thinking. I mean, I'm experiencing some of that myself and Tucker probably times 10.
01:09:38.560OK, so what happened, interestingly, in response to that clip online yesterday was a torrent of demands by the Israel firsters and some regular conservatives, I mean, demanding that I, in their view, return to Muslim hate, that any deviation off of Muslims are bad, universally bad, is not acceptable and makes you of the left was the accusation.
01:10:08.560And, you know, you're just out there for clicks. It's like nothing I've done is for clicks. If anything, my stance on the Iran war and Trump attacking me hasn't been particularly helpful, but it's sincere. And, you know, you got to be honest about who you are and where you stand.
01:10:22.880And I have been blown away by how openly the Israel first crowd is demanding that I and others hate Muslims or else or what?
01:10:35.880We're going to be called empty vessels or we're going to be like shamed for having said things that are questioning about Islam.
01:10:41.780I'm not real pro on like Islamic leaders in America.1.00
01:13:46.340But it's like I also can't wake up in the morning and look my audience in the figurative eye and lie about how I feel on something this big, on anything.
01:18:09.200He's not like a I don't really know what's the significant of significance of Fuentes other than as a tool to get other people to be quiet.
01:18:19.280And that may be the whole point of Fuentes, by the way.
01:18:22.860But anyway, the point is, what a waste.
01:18:25.120And so you throw up to The New York Times like, well, actually, I think the members of Congress who are voting for ethnic cleansing in Gaza may be a little bit more morally questionable than some podcaster who lives in an apartment in Chicago and has no power at all.0.63
01:18:41.340And like her mind was just blown like, oh, Ted Cruz could be more damaging to other human beings than Nick Fuentes, but he's a white nationalist.
01:18:51.900and I want to, I don't want to get sidetracked, but I want to be like, first of all, I'm not
01:18:55.480even sure what a white nationalist is, but I noticed that white nationalist is the only
01:18:59.580kind of nationalist that's not allowed. I mean, I believe in universal principles.
01:19:04.180Weren't they calling you a white nationalist like two minutes ago at the New York Times?
01:19:07.900I never even understood what it was. But I guess my point is
01:19:12.100either a standard applies to everybody or it doesn't
01:19:16.080apply to anybody. I just am a Christian. I believe in universal standards
01:19:20.000for all people. That's the basis of our law, as you know, as an attorney. We don't have laws that
01:19:26.120apply just to some people. Then they're not laws. They're just preferences. That's the definition
01:19:30.920of corruption. And so if it's okay to be a nationalist, an ethnic nationalist, and we can
01:19:36.220debate whether it is or should be or whatever, then it's okay for any group to be an ethnic
01:19:42.400nationalist, white, black, Hispanic, Asian, Jewish, doesn't matter. But we live in this weird world
01:19:48.220where there's only one category that's totally immoral
01:28:54.820because I just did a quick search, and Pulse Opinion Research used Rasmussen Report's licensed
01:29:02.360methodology for its poll and came up with the following result. Lindsey Graham has 41%,
01:29:08.020and you are in second with 21%, which is a big gap to close.
01:29:13.780Well, that was towards the end of March. Since then, on April 10th, the guy in third place,
01:29:20.020Paul Dans realized with the polling and his not having the funding to really do this race
01:29:28.000substantially like he wanted to endorse me, he took his name off the ballot, he endorsed me,
01:29:33.940and he was at 11 percent. And that was an awesome, humbling, unifying thing to show the Republican
01:29:40.600Party that he's still all in, his focus is still the same, to take out Lindsey Graham,
01:29:45.880And he's working with me now, supporting me to do that. And when Rasmussen did an informed ballot, it flips. Lindsay falls to 23, and I go to 34 percent with still some undecided votes. And that was when Paul was still in the polling with 11 percent. So it's very—
01:30:07.000What is an informed poll? What do you mean by that?
01:30:09.540When the voters know more about me and understand my platform.
01:30:14.460them. Well, even without the informed poll, you can see here in the numbers, you got unsure at
01:30:21.16022%. So if Paul's voters at 11% endorse you, you're potentially at 32%. And then you got unsure
01:30:28.600at 22. So if you had 32 and Lindsay had 41, you got 22% who you could still get, which is more
01:30:34.820promising. So there is a chance. I do believe there is a chance. And it needs to happen, Mark.
01:37:18.060These ideas cost us over $400 million to house for 70.
01:37:23.260what did you say? 3,000 people for 400 million? This is an absolute failure for both of them.
01:37:28.820They're a team. So the only question is whether Californians are going to respond as they
01:37:33.380absolutely should to him, to that kind of frank talk. She's going to get stabbed in the neck if0.98
01:37:38.200she goes down to these homeless camps and tries to offer them her therapy or whatever. He's exactly0.98
01:37:42.580right, as we all know. And that's why she would never go there. And none of us do. So he's talking
01:37:47.500frankly to Angelenos and they know it. They know what he's saying is real. And he's nonpartisan,
01:37:52.660this guy. He's not a Republican. He's, I think, running as an independent. And he sounded like
01:37:56.860an independent when you heard him talk last night. Here's a little bit more in SOT 28.
01:38:00.980First off, Mayor Bass and I are definitely not working together. I blame this person
01:38:06.900for burning my house and my parents' house and my town and all my neighbors down.
01:38:11.140I am not working with Mayor Bass. Second off, if I wanted to run against anybody,
01:38:14.720it would be the council member who is terrible. Mayor Bass has at least been a mayor for almost
01:38:20.220four years and has as she talked about earlier the unions all the unions endorsed mayor best
01:38:25.700you think it's easier to run against the incumbent mayor with all the unions or a random
01:38:30.620city council member who's been a failure for six years i would much rather run against0.60
01:38:35.440councilwoman ramen thank you very much so that was brilliant because he dissed the councilwoman
01:38:42.160as like a nobody which she she took issue with later you could see she was offended he didn't
01:38:46.920And he treated it like she was like not some star and also dissed Karen Bass in the same fell swoop.
01:38:52.680You could you could feel his contempt for his two adversaries in a way that was refreshing.
01:38:57.780It wasn't a turnoff. It was like, yes, I think a lot of people are feeling it.
01:39:02.140Karen Bass tried to get up there and blame the L.A. fire debacle on everyone other than herself, everyone.
01:39:09.800And he was there. He's living in a trailer after his house.
01:39:13.140he lost his house. He's saying with the receipts and he knew the facts and the figures. This is a
01:39:18.700former reality TV star, but he has studied up and he knew his facts and the figures about what was
01:39:25.000going on with the water reservoirs, what the winds were on the night. Cause Karen Bass likes to blame
01:39:29.700the winds for a reason why we couldn't have the helicopters dropping the water as opposed to the1.00
01:39:34.180reservoirs being empty. He had all of his stats and figures and was firing them off with ease.
01:39:41.200The other two were caught flat footed and looked embarrassed, frankly, that they didn't come to play.
01:39:47.480Here's the sound, but I mentioned for the listening audience and for the listening audience, you got to go to YouTube just towards the end of the show to see this.
01:39:53.740But it's worth it. Such a good clip. Watch.
01:39:57.880I'm not sure how to respond to that vision of Los Angeles.
01:40:00.900This is a MAGA Republicans idea of what Los Angeles looks like.
01:40:05.220this is, this is really not, this is. So what happens in the clip is she's like kind of shaking
01:40:14.900her head, you know, from side to side, like I'm at a loss here. And they cut to him in the middle
01:40:20.380of this is what a MAGA Republicans, which he's not, by the way, a view of Los Angeles is. And
01:40:25.280he just does a quick imitation of her with the shaking of the head. Very funny. Very good
01:40:35.320political instincts. And you know what you walk away thinking at the end of the debate is he's
01:40:39.760just likable. If you're anything other than a hard leftist, he is likable and he instills confidence.
01:40:47.000And I think there's something about somebody who's been personally affected by the incompetence of