The Megyn Kelly Show - Tucker Carlson Says He’s Leaving GOP, Far-Left Mamdani-Backed Candidates Win NYC Primaries, How World Cup Renewed American Patriotism, w⧸ Halperin & Palihapitya ｜ Ep. 1346

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00:01:00.880 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.560 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Happy Wednesday. We have a great show for you today.

00:01:17.660 the thief has been identified. We now know who stole that New York Knicks trash can in the viral

00:01:24.660 video from the championship parade. Who steals the trash can? I mean, how much of a low life do

00:01:29.540 you have to be to pick up a full trash can, dump all of the trash on the sidewalk of the city

00:01:36.440 you're supposed to be celebrating, and then steal the trash can? You're not going to believe who it

00:01:43.220 was. Actually, you will totally believe it, but you're going to eye roll. Plus, Chamath Palahapitiya

00:01:49.600 is here. I never say it right, but we are French math from the All In podcast. He's going to be

00:01:54.880 here to tell us what we need to know about the latest with AI, and he's got some really helpful

00:02:00.660 insights on it. But we begin today with the Democratic Party taking a giant leap to the left

00:02:06.120 last night in New York City as voters rejected the establishment candidates and delivered

00:02:11.620 victories for the three candidates backed by socialist mayor Zoran Mamdani in primaries

00:02:18.420 for House seats. Okay, this was not the general election, but New York being what it is,

00:02:23.220 it might as well be. And boy, are we going hardcore left in Manhattan. It's very interesting

00:02:30.400 to me because when Mamdani got elected, I know tons of Republicans who are actually operatives

00:02:36.200 within the party who were saying they couldn't wait to make him the face of the Democrat party.

00:02:41.900 And they thought that would be very good for Republicans. Depends on where you are,

00:02:46.820 because in New York, he's, he's a hero. I mean, he's becoming extremely strong and formidable

00:02:55.400 as a kingmaker within the Democrat party. And, you know, New York is not considered extreme

00:03:03.040 by most Democrats. Like it's how they see their own party and how they see the world and generally

00:03:09.480 where they'd like to take their own party. The far left is ascendant within team blue. And there

00:03:15.780 are some key reasons why that's so. Let me just give you a couple of the updates. And I'm going

00:03:20.260 to bring in Mark Halperin to talk about what this all means. In New York house district, uh, seven

00:03:26.700 state assembly woman, Claire Valdez, defeating Brooklyn borough president Antonio Reynoso after

00:03:32.740 campaigning on her staunch opposition to Israel. In New York 10, former city comptroller Brad

00:03:40.480 Lander defeating incumbent Dan Goldman, who's been such a thorn in the president's side and so

00:03:46.020 blindly loyal to Joe Biden and was trying to tell us that he did so great at the debate. I mean,

00:03:51.620 that's how much of a loyalist he was. A lot of good it did him. He lost by more than 30 points

00:03:56.300 last night. Lander saying, we need to reset our relationship with Israel. Now he wasn't quite as 0.98

00:04:03.580 extreme on the issue of Israel as some of these other candidates, but Dan Goldman was super pro

00:04:07.560 Israel. So the contrast was stark. Um, and that, but the candidate who takes the cake last night

00:04:16.000 is, all right, this is a tough one. I got to, it's helpful if I can see it written down. Okay.

00:04:22.280 it's dara it's very tough dariliza oliva chevalier and she beat a five-term incumbent chevalier we're

00:04:36.000 going to go with she beat a five-term incumbent who's also chair of the congressional hispanic

00:04:41.060 caucus but not woke enough for mom donnie's new york city and once again israel was key here she 1.00

00:04:50.040 hates Israel and AIPAC. And it was not afraid to say it. And she wasn't afraid to say a bunch of

00:04:57.800 other crazy shit either. I mean, like this woman is out there. If this is the future of electoral 1.00

00:05:03.560 politics in Manhattan, thank God we moved and it cannot spread. I mean, honestly, like my own views

00:05:11.420 on Israel have changed, but my God, this person, she wants to abolish the police, prisons, ICE,

00:05:20.540 the US Senate, the Supreme Court. This is as radical as you can go. And she just won

00:05:30.800 the Democrat primary in New York for New York 13. Now, if she's elected as she is expected to be

00:05:40.380 in her deep blue district. They're not going to go with a Republican in the general. 0.99

00:05:44.700 She will be one of, if not the most radical far left candidates in the history of Congress. 0.85

00:05:49.980 Someone described her as AOC, but left, like as if AOC is not left. They're both Democrat

00:05:56.720 socialists, a party that really should, should be in the dustbin of history, but instead is

00:06:03.080 ascendant. This woman's a 32 year old community organizer. Cause we needed another one of those 0.94

00:06:08.180 in electoral politics, and a PhD candidate at the at CUNY City University of New York.

00:06:14.180 Chevalier is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America and a recent convert to Islam at age

00:06:18.300 32. You'll be shocked, shocked, shocked to hear she went to Columbia University. Not only are

00:06:23.780 they making you an anti-Semite if you come out of Columbia University, they're making you actually 0.77

00:06:28.160 convert to Islam. I mean, they've really gone next level at Columbia. I would never send my 0.78

00:06:35.760 child there. I've told my children, you want to go to Columbia? You can pay for it yourself. No,

00:06:39.540 we're not paying for that. You're not going there. Not that they want to, but I'm just saying it's

00:06:43.340 like in New York, which is close to us. You'd think we'd normally like take a look at a school

00:06:47.060 like that. It's a hard, hard pass on that place. Uh, she calls the notorious protester at Columbia,

00:06:54.380 Columbia university, Mahmoud Khalil. Remember that guy, a friend and her campaign website

00:06:59.280 says that she quote provides legal aid to victims of police brutality for the public

00:07:05.080 defender's office in Harlem. Now that last part, that's kind of standard Democrat fare.

00:07:10.440 It's this other crazy stuff that has her standing out in a field of wackos. All right, here's just 0.94

00:07:16.100 a sampling of her now deleted social media posts dug up by the New York Post and by CNN. In June

00:07:21.620 of 2020, she responds to a tweet about what it means to abolish the police. Quote, it means ending

00:07:27.720 police, full stop, period. No more police at all, ever. I love her honesty. It's very harmful

00:07:35.680 to the work black abolitionists have been doing for decades to dilute this movement. 0.89

00:07:41.320 If you are not fully on board yet, it's fine to just say that, unquote. Full, no more cops. She 0.84

00:07:48.640 wants to abolish policing. December 23rd, 2019, quote, I forgot to get napkins, so I just wiped

00:07:55.620 my hand on the American flag behind me, unquote, just lovely. Why is it like, if you're a Democrat

00:08:02.380 socialist, why do you have to hate America too? And why is in this faction on the left that's

00:08:08.560 growing, that's like got questions about Israel. I mean, they really, the left really can't stand

00:08:12.760 Israel. Why do you have to hate America too? Like that I don't get. Even I get why Israel's

00:08:17.640 extremely controversial now, even within a large faction of the Republican party. But like,

00:08:21.460 How does that take you to America hatred? For the leftists, at least the extreme ones, it does.

00:08:28.560 And she's exhibit A. In June 2021, when Kamala Harris encouraged migrants from Central America 0.54

00:08:34.460 to stop making the dangerous trek to the U.S., Chevalier wrote, quote, I have no nuance to add. 0.99

00:08:42.500 Fuck Kamala Harris. Well, in that week and all, I mean, she's, is she all wrong about everything? 1.00

00:08:48.480 maybe there's like some piece on Kamala's Venn diagram on which we can find common ground with

00:08:54.940 our soon to be new elected congresswoman from New York. There's a lot more, but I want to bring in

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00:10:20.400 Megan. Mark, your reaction on kind of the bombshells that happened in these three races in

00:10:26.460 New York last night. Well, I think it's easy to overstate it, but it's easier to understate it

00:10:32.260 because it's not just New York, it's Michigan with Maine with Graham Plattner. It's probably

00:10:36.260 going to be Michigan with Dr. El-Sayed. And the energy and power in the Democratic Party is with

00:10:42.360 this wing of the party. It's not it's Israel. It's anti-establishment. It's anti-ice. It's 0.90

00:10:48.160 pro-radicalism. And Democrats have ignored this for 10 years. For 10 years, since Bernie Sanders

00:10:56.680 had the nomination stolen from him by the establishment in 2016, the parties pretended

00:11:02.060 it as best they could, that they weren't being dominated by the energy and power of the radical

00:11:06.380 wing of the party, the progressive wing. They speak for tens of millions. It's not like they

00:11:10.800 don't have followers. But I don't think they're a majority of the party, but they're the loudest

00:11:14.900 and angriest on the national town square. And what we saw last night with these three winners

00:11:20.020 backed by Mondami, two incumbents beaten and one open seat, is they can win primaries in New York.

00:11:26.640 As you said, that's a special beast. But they also want a primary in Michigan with Graham

00:11:30.460 Plattner in Maine, rather. They may win a primary in the Michigan Senate race. And it's going to be

00:11:36.280 fascinating in the context of the midterms and then the presidential to see if the wing of the

00:11:40.700 party that says, we don't want to be a socialist party. We don't want a hostile takeover of the

00:11:46.920 Democratic Party by the Socialist Party. We're going to have to stand up to that wing of the

00:11:51.120 party. We'll see if anybody does it. Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries have known for a decade what's

00:11:55.920 happening and they do not have the nerve and the courage and the skill to stand up to that wing of

00:12:02.320 the party so we saw yesterday a specific new york city manifestation of it but it's happening

00:12:08.260 everywhere within the party and it has been for a decade the the i've i've read a lot of analysis

00:12:14.780 today as i'm sure you have too and people from both sides of the aisle seem to be coming to the

00:12:18.740 same conclusion which is there was no issue that was more front and center in these races than

00:12:23.860 Israel. And if you are running as a Democrat, like the conclusion, Jeremy Carl of the Hoover

00:12:32.040 Institute in Claremont wrote as follows. Israel and in particular, AIPAC are absolutely toxic

00:12:38.040 in a Democrat primary, especially anywhere vaguely progressive. Israel was arguably the 0.83

00:12:43.980 central issue in all three of these primaries. And the candidate that was more hostile to Israel,

00:12:48.500 one in each expect a lot of Democrats to swing much harder against both AIPAC and Israel going

00:12:55.460 forward. Do you agree with that, Mark? Well, I largely agree, although in Maryland last night

00:13:00.380 in a less watched primary, a Democrat who got tons of money from AIPAC, who was the establishment

00:13:05.980 choice of Steny Hoyer, the retiring leader whose district it is now, that guy won. And so it's not

00:13:15.940 and maryland's not a you know a conservative state it's a very liberal state so it's not a

00:13:20.520 hundred percent but i agree that uh israel and and and american jews and apac have very quickly

00:13:28.560 become in both parties a very a very emotional issue and i agree that uh it's it's it takes a

00:13:36.780 lot there's some exceptions like congressman godheimer of new jersey it takes a lot for an

00:13:41.400 official to go out of his or her way to speak out against this some of them maybe choose to hide

00:13:47.740 and not speak out for or against this this trend but there's no doubt now that if you were to say

00:13:55.100 in any democratic primary almost anywhere in the country if there's a if there's a single litmus

00:14:00.320 test if there's a single emotional issue that could make or break candidacy it would be this

00:14:05.860 and and opponents of apac would say well yeah the guy in maryland won but they had to spend millions

00:14:10.980 of dollars to get him the nomination. Why do you say American Jews too? Because I see that Israel's

00:14:17.160 clearly an issue and AIPAC is clearly an issue, but I think only, you know, weird bigoted people

00:14:25.740 extend it to American Jews as part of the issue. Yeah. It's a very difficult thing to discuss

00:14:30.820 because, um, it's uncomfortable and there's not a lot of polling data on it because posters don't

00:14:35.920 want to poll on it. Um, I'm, I'm writing a piece of that. Like, what do you mean? Like,

00:14:39.980 how do you like the Jews? Yeah. Yeah. Do you know, do you feel favored? And it's a tough 1.00

00:14:44.620 thing to pull. It's an awkward thing to ask. And are people going to be honest? Here's what I

00:14:49.600 draw on. If you look at human history, as long as there have been Jews, how have the Jews been

00:14:56.060 treated? Not that well. A lot of people don't like Jews. So I just, I don't think you can take

00:15:02.120 it out of the equation. Now, I've got relatives who are Jews who are very angry at Israel. So

00:15:08.420 it's not it's not that everyone with a strong position about israel is anti-semitic of course

00:15:14.280 and and the point of view of being of questioning netanyahu of questioning israel's activities of

00:15:20.400 questioning apex activities those are all legitimate conversations to have and the views

00:15:25.280 of tens of millions of people but you can't you can't ignore human history you can't ignore that

00:15:31.620 some of this you can't quantify it some of it for some people and i would say not an insignificant

00:15:37.440 significant number of people is driven by this. Let me give you something that falls in the cracks

00:15:42.040 between just a public policy view of Israel and anti-Semitism. The Democratic Party has become a 0.60

00:15:48.240 very secular party. The polling data is quite clear on that. Jews, some people say it's an

00:15:54.060 ethnicity, but it's also a religion. And so I think you're going to see some people say,

00:16:00.280 well, I've had negative feelings towards Jews because they're religious. That's not quite

00:16:06.960 anti-Semitism, but it is a point of view that I think animates some of this for some people.

00:16:13.220 It can't just be about Israel and Netanyahu. It just can't be because it's far too powerful and

00:16:18.980 far too emotional. There are plenty of public policy issues that involve human rights, that

00:16:24.100 involve violence. Why don't they feel this way about China? Why don't they feel this way about 0.97

00:16:30.980 Putin. So I don't think you can ignore for some people that this is a, this is an element within

00:16:37.960 the, within the party. And I'd say for some people within the Republican party as well.

00:16:43.400 I mean, I think, unfortunately, there are some people who conflate those two things,

00:16:47.300 but I think the vast majority of people in America who are critical of Israel have come

00:16:50.440 to it. Honestly, they watched what happened in Gaza for two freaking years. They've,

00:16:54.300 they've watched them drag us into this Iran war. They're, they're mad about it. You know,

00:16:58.700 it's like they don't want to fight Israel's battles. They don't want them getting us into 0.96

00:17:02.220 trouble. They don't want AIPAC having this much control over our lawmakers. Get out. Go back to

00:17:08.480 your own country and lobby your lawmakers. Get out of ours. And they're having feelings like that.

00:17:12.740 Even people like me, who had been very pro-Israel, have turned on it because of things like that. 0.73

00:17:17.500 It has nothing to do with Jews. All of my best friends are Jewish. And honestly, they feel the

00:17:24.220 way i do like my closest friend in the world who's who's jewish culturally religiously and all that

00:17:29.920 she couldn't care less about how you feel about israel you know it's like there's only like a

00:17:35.120 certain strain of american you could be jewish you could be christian that makes israel like the

00:17:40.520 stakes for which the relationship plays you know like you can't we can't be friends any longer if

00:17:46.080 you're not going to support israel that's it's a very and and it doesn't it's not based at all on

00:17:49.920 whether that person is Jewish. I agree with you 100% that that's the dominant thing and that

00:17:55.120 those positions are perfectly reasonable, well within intellectual understanding and political

00:18:01.580 discourse. I'm just saying that there's some of this, can't quantify it. You look at how Jews

00:18:09.000 have been treated through human history, you just can't say, well, America's the first country in

00:18:13.240 the world that doesn't have anti-Semitism. That just, it's got to be part of it. 0.82

00:18:17.600 Oh, no, we haven't. We do. We haven't. But I just I would submit that is not what this is about, because look what's happening within the Republican Party. Was the Republican Party 20 percent anti-Semitic all along? And now it just happens to dovetail with their opposition to Israel. They were just latently like keeping their anti-Jew feelings quiet. I don't I don't believe that.

00:18:38.240 What could it be? Like what else has happened in the world over the past couple of years that we saw directly affect Democrat support go right down, independent support go off a cliff?

00:18:49.360 No more independent support, Israel. And even Republicans start to turn. Could it could it be Gaza? Could it be Iran? 0.84

00:18:56.380 You know, it's like whatever. OK, let's keep going with it. Because one thing that is absolutely on the ascendance is Democratic socialism, which is, you know, we thought that was. 0.98

00:19:06.140 I don't know. I thought Mom Donnie was more of a one off because New York's been going further and further left.

00:19:13.160 And I was among those people who thought, oh, he'll be a great poster boy to run against for Republicans.

00:19:19.440 Well, I don't know. Here's Harry Enten, your pal of whom I am a fan, talking about the Democrat socialists versus the regular Dems in Congress and popularity.

00:19:33.380 Watch this clip. Stop 52.

00:19:34.880 Among Democrats themselves, the Democratic Socialists of America have a higher net favor

00:19:40.440 than the Democratic Party does, at least those who are members of Congress. I mean,

00:19:44.200 just take a look here. Dem Socialists of America, plus 17 points. Democrats in Congress,

00:19:49.320 plus four points. No wonder that Dem Socialists are getting nominated across the political map 0.74

00:19:54.420 in different primaries, because simply put, they are more popular than the Democrats currently in

00:19:58.720 charge. OK, I'm just thinking back to when I was sitting here and Zora Mamdani was sitting there

00:20:02.680 when he was running and I asked him about capitalism. Yes. And he had no problem saying

00:20:07.800 that he had real issues with it. OK, he wasn't afraid to say it. By the way, he ended up winning.

00:20:12.600 It didn't hurt him. How do Democrats today view socialism compared to capitalism? There's a reason

00:20:18.960 why it didn't hurt him. And that is simply because this is one of the biggest political changes I've

00:20:22.900 seen during my lifetime. Match up socialism, capitalism among Democrats. You go back 16 years

00:20:29.040 ago, 2010, capitalism and socialism right there. Favorable rating, 51 percent, 50 percent. Look at

00:20:34.500 it now. Socialism clearly in the lead among Democrats. Sixty six percent of them view

00:20:39.420 socialism favorably. Just 42 percent view capitalism favorably. No wonder Mom Donnie had

00:20:43.820 no problem blasting it. Oh, my Lord, Mark. Sixty six percent view of the Democrat Party

00:20:51.260 views socialism favorably. Only 42 percent view capitalism favorably. So like you get out of the

00:20:58.520 Israel thing. And the differences become really, really stark on where we all stand, even within

00:21:05.560 the Democrat Party. So what's what's a Democrat to do? You not only have to be against Israel

00:21:10.400 and AIPAC, which most of them are over on Team Blue, but you also have to be against capitalism

00:21:15.460 now. This is where the media being liberally biased for Democrats, ironically, does not do

00:21:21.360 Democrats any favors, because this has been growing, as Harry's data showed, for a couple

00:21:27.820 decades. In the post-Bill Clinton era, the Democratic Party has moved further to the left

00:21:32.960 than it has ever been in our lifetimes, at least. And the press doesn't cover it. The press doesn't

00:21:37.640 say, well, you know, they can't be distracted from attacking Donald Trump and the Republican Party,

00:21:42.980 pointing out the flaws there. They don't cover this. But this is an incredible development

00:21:48.480 to have a party move this far to the left and have most of its leaders either ignore it or cater to

00:21:54.860 it and um you know you you when when democrats wonder why donald trump has been able to win

00:22:01.620 uh two presidential elections and get very close in the third um they don't really do any soul

00:22:07.260 searching to say well maybe it's because we've become a party of social of socialists uh a

00:22:12.940 religious socialists and it's it's right there they're leading in it's right there in the data

00:22:18.540 And and it'll be interesting to see if anybody stands up to them in the midterms, if anybody within the party or if anybody stands up to them within within the context of the 2028 presidential election.

00:22:31.620 But they have moved really far to the left on economics, on law enforcement, for those who say abolish ICE, on cultural issues like on trance.

00:22:42.000 And no mystery why Donald Trump, who's got his own deep flaws as a candidate in terms of unpopular positions, no mystery why he's able to win.

00:22:52.500 Because they have, as was said in the previous era, they're so left, they've left America on a range of important issues.

00:23:00.240 Here is this Chevalier who was asked recently about some of her very controversial deleted tweets, some of which we read at the top.

00:23:09.580 Take a listen to how she answered.

00:23:10.840 It's not 53.

00:23:11.820 I want to still ask about two tweets specifically because I think they are relevant to the race.

00:23:16.960 The first is all deportation is wrong.

00:23:19.500 Now, in Congress, obviously, that comes with a lot of questions about immigration enforcement.

00:23:24.500 And even as Democrats might agree with calls that you have shared to things like abolish ICE.

00:23:28.840 I don't know if they're necessarily there on things like all deportation is wrong.

00:23:32.940 Is that something you still believe? 0.96

00:23:34.620 That phrase, yes.

00:23:35.660 I still believe that all deportations are wrong.

00:23:37.780 Even if we're talking about illegal entry to the country or someone who may have committed a crime?

00:23:42.600 So when we're talking about things like illegal entry, we're actually talking about administrative laws, right?

00:23:48.380 We're not talking about criminal law.

00:23:49.820 Let me concede the question of people who have not committed a crime.

00:23:53.480 Because I think that that's not really the question.

00:23:56.760 like if we're saying all deportation is wrong though that would seem to also include people

00:24:01.360 who were convicted of breaking u.s criminal law is the deportation of those people wrong yes okay

00:24:07.760 so they're all going to get asked these questions now any democrat running for office

00:24:11.800 she's for open borders against all policing against incarceration she said the u.s is an 0.99

00:24:19.340 effing disgrace. Her party, the DSA, they just recently revised and re-released their leadership

00:24:27.460 platform. They want to defund the Pentagon, abolish the U.S. Senate. They want universal

00:24:32.480 amnesty. They want ownership of major corporations to be transferred to the public.

00:24:37.300 They want to replace the president and the Supreme Court with an executive and a judiciary

00:24:42.360 that would be subordinate to Congress. They want all police budgets to go to zero, courtesy of

00:24:48.320 John Fund writing for National Review there. It's pretty extreme, Mark.

00:24:52.820 Megan, I would bet you almost anything that that's going to be the tip of the iceberg.

00:24:56.840 I bet you we're going to find for all for these candidates, for her, for Chevalier,

00:25:02.900 I think we're going to find more videos, more statements, more social media posts that she's

00:25:07.060 failed to fully scrub from human history. And it's going to be fascinating to see Democrats

00:25:12.400 get asked about this stuff. And now that there is their programs like ours and conservative media,

00:25:17.380 they won't be able to rely on the legacy media to just kind of brush it away and say, well,

00:25:23.720 she's already the nominee. Of course, she's going to win. And this is this is what we saw with

00:25:28.840 Mendami. He wasn't scrutinized either, but it's it's going to happen and it's going to be a very

00:25:35.060 interesting case. I go back to Maine with Plattner and Michigan with El Saad if he's a Senate nominee

00:25:41.800 need there because they're running in in competitive states. They're running in purple

00:25:46.140 states. They're running having to defend these kind of positions and pass statements in a in a

00:25:53.280 before an electorate who is going to look at it very differently than a lot of New Yorkers will.

00:25:58.460 What's the story with the guy in Michigan? Have they not yet had their primary?

00:26:01.880 Primary is not till August. It's not till August. So we got a long way to go. Republicans have a

00:26:06.580 good candidate in mike rogers and right now uh el saeed is the most likely to be the nominee and

00:26:12.860 and i think the establishment wants to stop him because they do have the good sense to say that

00:26:18.180 he is the least electable in the general election but as we saw in maine when the establishment now

00:26:23.800 mobilizes to stop it only it only makes it worse it only makes it harder to push to to um control

00:26:32.020 the grassroots strength and that guy has the grassroots strength even though you know you

00:26:37.440 look at his record and he's he's far to the left on a range of issues of anybody may and is elected

00:26:43.680 statewide even tish james uh in new york is now criticizing mandami who she endorsed uh and and

00:26:51.640 the nominees uh like chevalier who he she supported he supported because even tish james who's pretty

00:26:57.680 far left knows how dangerous this is for her party. There was some good news as I see it

00:27:06.060 coming out of the electoral results last night, namely the vile, bizarre, I think mentally unwell

00:27:14.120 Jack Schlossberg lost. He will not be continuing the Camelot legacy as I heard some discussing it

00:27:22.360 Today, he's out, and the voters of New York saw right through his slick act.

00:27:28.260 He refused to campaign.

00:27:29.920 He had a sense of entitlement.

00:27:31.620 He's never accomplished anything, Mark.

00:27:33.180 I mean, literally, he's never accomplished anything other than going to school at prestigious

00:27:36.680 universities, which being a Kennedy will, you know, happen every time. 1.00

00:27:41.420 And to their credit, look at this moron. 0.99

00:27:44.140 The New York people said, no, we're not falling for this again. 1.00

00:27:47.780 This is not the mood we're in at all.

00:27:50.140 What do you make of it?

00:27:50.760 Jack, we hardly knew you.

00:27:51.800 You know, he got he got screened. He didn't come close. And remember, he got the endorsement of Nancy Pelosi. He got a ton of favorable press coverage. He was from the start an unserious person. It's my congressional district. It's filled with very serious people. And the guy who won is a perfectly serious establishment candidate.

00:28:10.540 But I was dubious about his prospects from the start, and I don't know exactly why he failed, but I'm certain that part of why he failed was because he was a clown and had no business thinking he should be a member of Congress.

00:28:24.400 And this generation of Kennedys maybe is not as distinguished as some of the previous ones.

00:28:30.760 Here is the New York Times headline.

00:28:34.600 Schlossberg's defeat dampens dream of a renewed Camelot.

00:28:39.640 Okay, no, wrong.

00:28:41.320 And let me give you some highlights just for fun.

00:28:43.700 Why not?

00:28:44.160 It's a Wednesday.

00:28:44.820 Let's have some fun.

00:28:46.360 For a first-time candidate, Mr. Schlossberg seemingly had it all.

00:28:50.040 A scion of the Kennedy family, once America's most famous political brand,

00:28:54.600 young and handsome, much like his grandfather, the progenitor of Camelot.

00:28:59.840 He was well-connected, earning endorsements from Democratic royalty,

00:29:04.380 like former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and old money rich,

00:29:07.680 able to pour his own fortune into a campaign he said was in part about the evils of money

00:29:13.000 in politics. And in an age in which Democrats have often played catch up with Republicans online,

00:29:20.000 Mr. Schlossberg had a vibrant and social media presence presenting an oddball and decidedly

00:29:26.700 opinionated persona that drew attention whenever he posted. He literally was talking about, forgive

00:29:32.380 of me, jizz cocktails. All right. There was nothing vibrance and just oddball, just a little oddball.

00:29:39.820 Yeah. Oddball's a good euphemism. Two more. When early polls showed him in front of a crowded

00:29:45.200 field of candidates in New York City's 12th congressional district, it seemed the race

00:29:48.460 was his to lose. As it turned out, he lost it. Schlossberg's defeat also comes as the Kennedy

00:29:54.320 family has also grappled with the defection of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Mr. Schlossberg's cousin

00:29:59.880 to a Republican administration where he serves as the health secretary under President Trump. 0.52

00:30:05.680 Even People Magazine's headline wasn't as ridiculous as this New York Times one.

00:30:09.680 The People Magazine headline was Jack Schlossberg loses his first election

00:30:12.900 in heated Manhattan congressional primary. New York, the defeat dampens dream of a renewed

00:30:18.680 Camelot. This guy was never going to be delivering a renewed Camelot, Mark Halperin.

00:30:23.200 No, he's a cuckoo Kennedy. He's not like, there's literally nothing about,

00:30:28.620 to extent anybody sees anything appealing about him and i did not there's nothing kennedy-esque

00:30:33.740 about his appeal he's he's just kind of like was kind of like a quirky kooky outsider and young

00:30:40.940 but he's not a good candidate and he was not kennedy-esque he was just happened to be named

00:30:45.420 uh you know be a member of the kennedy family but man what a what a misguided thing you know

00:30:51.340 there's all these democratic consultants now like the people who got platner in the race

00:30:55.100 who and Mondami's consultants who are just they're just enablers of candidates who don't

00:31:00.480 necessarily think through whether the person can actually win. In the case of this guy,

00:31:04.680 I mean, they they should they should refund his money.

00:31:09.140 Well, the man who showed up at President Trump's State of the Union this past year

00:31:14.560 with a sign that read black people aren't apes, as if President Trump needed to be told that 0.99

00:31:22.960 al green has lost his seat in the u.s congress he's out finally mark he was sort of a shitster 0.98

00:31:29.860 at a lot of these state of the union addresses for republicans that is he's out nancy mace 0.85

00:31:35.860 she's out too she lost um jasmine crockett's going are all the shitsters going um matt gates

00:31:43.700 is already gone um he's already gone yeah mtg's gone it's a good point we're losing a lot of them

00:31:50.220 uh Bobert still there uh uh you know uh Jamie Raskin you count him in the same category 0.58

00:31:57.560 he's a bit of a shit stir I don't know I mean we've we've lost a lot of them we've lost a lot 0.67

00:32:03.300 of them true we have yeah we've lost gone but not forgotten um wait who's the other one that 0.99

00:32:11.180 was going to talk about who did you just say Deb or I've heard oh George Conway George Conway

00:32:16.700 didn't make it either did even worse than he was running for that he did worse than even the uh

00:32:20.680 the quirky kennedy yeah and he was running for the same seat now last but not least

00:32:25.440 i saw you tweet out this morning post on x you know just when i thought i couldn't be shocked

00:32:32.340 in in politics president trump manages to shock me um because today he was all set to have this

00:32:41.000 big signing ceremony for a new signature piece of legislation on affordability, attacking the

00:32:48.120 housing market inequities, trying to, among other things, ban big firms like BlackRock from swooping

00:32:54.200 in and buying up big blocks of houses, making it tougher for some people to buy affordable housing.

00:33:00.080 And this was going to address some affordability concerns. And more importantly, in politics,

00:33:07.780 going to make it look like he was addressing affordability concerns for average Americans.

00:33:13.800 They're going to have the big signing ceremony. And President Trump just canceled it and said he

00:33:19.380 won't be signing it. So he's got he it's it's passed, but he's not going to sign it because

00:33:26.680 he says he's insisting that they push through the Save Act, which is going to require universal

00:33:32.780 voter ID and tighten screening procedures before you can vote in an election. And I get it. Almost

00:33:40.640 all of his party wants the SAVE Act passed, but it has zero chance of passing Mark Halpern. It's

00:33:47.280 not going to get, it won't get a vote. If it did get a vote, it wouldn't pass. They don't have the

00:33:53.060 votes to pass it, even if they could get it past a filibuster. So it has, so he's tanking legislation

00:34:00.820 that actually could be good for people and for him and Republicans politically in the name of

00:34:05.780 a different piece of legislation that's very popular on the right, but has zero chance of

00:34:09.240 going anywhere. What do you make of it? Well, they could get it passed if they could get it

00:34:12.420 passed the filibuster. They just can't get it passed the filibuster and they can't get Republicans.

00:34:16.140 I don't think so. They don't have the votes. They have 50 votes to pass.

00:34:19.980 No, they don't. No, they do not. They don't. No, Collins is against it. Murkowski is against it.

00:34:26.980 Tillis is against it. And so is McConnell. That's what they could pass.

00:34:29.960 a, they could pass a version of it, not the version they voted on previously. They could

00:34:33.520 get a lot of what he wanted, I believe, but they can't do it because they can't get, they

00:34:38.580 can't break the filibuster. You know, maybe he'll change his mind again, but this was

00:34:45.240 kind of, there was going to be a bipartisan signing ceremony. This bill is an incredible

00:34:49.160 piece of legislation. Policy experts love it. The left loves it. MAG is fine with it

00:34:53.820 or enthusiastic. It lost five Senate votes and very few House votes. And the president

00:34:59.900 was going to be able to go up to Capitol Hill and say, I'm signing into law a bill that will help

00:35:05.660 with affordability on housing, which is one of the, as you know, one of the big areas people

00:35:09.760 really care about. And he's chosen to scuttle it for, as you said, a piece of legislation that

00:35:14.220 cannot pass. So it's confusing. It's confusing why he did it. But the president likes leverage,

00:35:22.380 and I guess he thinks he has leverage here, but he doesn't. And maybe they'll reschedule it. But

00:35:26.960 it's just a very odd decision that caught many Republicans on Capitol Hill by surprise.

00:35:33.300 It's the old cutting off the nose to spite the face routine. Like, this is a win. Like,

00:35:38.740 go take your win. You can't get the thing you're threatening. Like, we wish you could,

00:35:44.420 but you can't. It's very odd. So why not take a win? The president has had a rough news cycle.

00:35:49.720 I mean, people are behind the settlement of this around war, but the past few months have

00:35:54.360 been rough, rough on the president's poll numbers. This is a win. Maybe he'll change his mind and

00:35:58.780 sign it, but it's not, it's going to, it's going to not get the same kind of coverage it would

00:36:02.580 have gotten. It was going to get triumphal coverage. Donald Trump goes to Capitol Hill,

00:36:06.760 signs a popular piece of legislation on affordability and housing, uh, with massive

00:36:11.400 bipartisan support. And he's just, for now, at least he's choosing to put a damper on it.

00:36:18.040 It's confusing. I don't get it. It's very confusing. All right. But as we close out

00:36:23.140 the segment. We're glad Al Green is gone. We're glad Schlossberg and Conway did not make it.

00:36:28.640 We're not so grateful for these weird, radical Democrat socialists ascending into New York

00:36:35.840 politics because it's probably a harbinger of things to come on a nationwide level. Do we agree?

00:36:41.400 Good summary. Outstanding. All right. We agree. There's something for everyone in that one.

00:36:45.720 Mark Halperin, a pleasure as always, my friend. Great to see you, Megan. Thank you.

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00:38:50.520 So we've been talking with Mark Halperin about what happened in New York last night with

00:38:55.300 these three, I mean, far left Democratic socialists winning in these three key congressional races,

00:39:02.800 which means they're going to they're going to Congress because there's no real meaningful

00:39:06.360 Republican opposition in New York.

00:39:08.440 And the radical the radical nature of these three.

00:39:12.200 I'm just going to play another soundbite from this woman, Chevalier, who take a listen to what she said here in SOT54 comparing Israel and the United States.

00:39:23.980 And I've seen a lot of similarities, not just in the way things are done, but also in the very institutions that are enacting that violence.

00:39:31.180 The tear gas that was being dropped on Palestinians in Gaza in 2014 was the same tear gas that was being dropped on black protesters in Ferguson in 2014.

00:39:39.420 And that memory, that summer for me, was incredibly formative because it showed me that connection is not only one that is like, but it is the very same system.

00:39:49.220 Your thoughts on this gal, Shamath?

00:39:51.860 I think if I take a step back, I think we have to take this really seriously.

00:39:56.220 When you look at candidates like her or candidates like Mamdani, what is the through line?

00:40:04.380 They're all incredibly articulate.

00:40:06.860 it. They're generally very good looking and presentable. And they're incredibly nuts in

00:40:13.940 terms of their perspectives. They present these things in an extremely approachable way. They're 0.84

00:40:21.760 built for the moment in terms of social media. And so I think you have to take these folks

00:40:27.060 extremely seriously because they know how to capture the algorithmic intentions of the

00:40:34.320 mechanisms that get their message to people. And it's landing with enough people that then they

00:40:40.220 are going out and voting in a direction that I never thought we would even come close to touching

00:40:46.660 in the United States. So I think it's really concerning. I think that if I had to give you

00:40:52.260 a pet theory on this, though, I do think that we're going to turn the tide. And I would give

00:40:58.760 you the example of canada the uk and australia the thing that those countries had i grew up in

00:41:05.100 canada i think you know that um it was an incredibly liberal place and when i was growing up in canada

00:41:10.340 it was much more liberal uh than even the united states was you know we would look at dan quail

00:41:15.720 railing on rap lyrics and we thought what is the big deal like this is freedom of speech or

00:41:20.780 you know past a certain amount of time on tv there was some relatively racy television and

00:41:26.260 We were all just kind of looked the other way.

00:41:28.000 Everybody was a live, let live culture.

00:41:30.580 But then what happened?

00:41:32.260 When social media really started to proliferate and the currency became about attention, the outrage machine and the attention you could get from that trumped everything else.

00:41:46.120 It just cascaded through all of society.

00:41:48.940 and now what you're seeing is the next generation of that which is a much more refined form of

00:41:54.040 outrage that i think like when you unpeel what they're saying beyond the articulate words and

00:41:59.420 the well-presented nature is really scary and this is the kind of insidious thing that i think

00:42:04.860 we have to confront so what has happened in those three countries they have veered so far off course

00:42:12.000 over many years of allowing this outrage to build up and they've manifested in completely

00:42:18.620 open borders, economic policy that didn't make sense. A lot of the things that people are talking

00:42:23.640 about now have been experimented in those countries and have turned out clearly to be a

00:42:28.100 pretty abysmal failure. But what have those countries interestingly done in the last six

00:42:34.380 months? All three have instituted a ban on social media for kids 16 and under. And I think this is

00:42:44.480 a huge thing. Why? Because we, you look, Megan, you have children same age as my children. We all

00:42:51.020 know habits engender behavior. If you want kids to eat well, you can't feed them candy when they're

00:42:57.360 kids. If you want kids to learn how to sleep well and manage their body and exercise, you have to

00:43:01.600 teach those habits as a kid. If you want them to speak a second language, you have to speak that 1.00

00:43:06.080 language at home. There are just basic rules that then guide these children as adults. I think if

00:43:12.020 you deprive an entire generation of social media, I think you'll see the incentives change because

00:43:18.040 their desire to be fed by this attention outrage machine will be less than this current generation

00:43:26.360 of people that live on it. And I think in that, they'll hopefully be able to sort through

00:43:31.340 what is normal and what is clearly crazy. Even when it's presented by people that look and sound

00:43:38.820 like very articulate, presentable

00:43:40.800 people. And I think that

00:43:42.820 that ability to distinguish has

00:43:44.780 been lost by this last generation of people

00:43:46.940 that are now at voting age.

00:43:48.720 You see it in the polls.

00:43:50.720 And so I suspect if you see Canada, the UK,

00:43:52.620 and Australia flip, it is time

00:43:54.760 and by the way, Florida's already done this.

00:43:57.380 It's time to probably look

00:43:58.780 at this and say, hey, hold on a second. We need to reset

00:44:01.040 how people actually process

00:44:02.620 information because you can have totally derelict

00:44:04.860 outcomes here if you let this stuff

00:44:06.760 fester too long.

00:44:08.820 A couple of thoughts on that. One, I hope you're right on the social media. I'm concerned it's more like you had no cocaine your entire life and then you had cocaine and you're like, holy crap, this stuff's amazing. Watch me go. Thank God this is finally introduced to me. That worries me about the social media thing.

00:44:28.940 um secondly on what's happening on the left i actually think what we saw last night in new

00:44:35.860 york is not that far afield from what we saw with trump's election and then re-election

00:44:40.640 where there is a segment of the population that is just so

00:44:44.440 done with the systems as they are now this feels so unserved by government by the choices that

00:44:53.080 their you know predecessors have made they can't buy a house they can't get a meaningful job

00:44:58.120 they can't take a vacation that they're just willing to try something different and so even

00:45:02.900 though maybe they knew maybe they didn't that this this woman's party for example the chevalier but

00:45:08.360 all three of them are democratic socialists as i said a moment ago wants to defund the pentagon

00:45:13.240 abolish the u.s senate he wants universal amnesty wants uh to replace the president and the supreme

00:45:18.300 court with something else wants no no more policing no more incarceration it's uh kind of 0.60

00:45:24.680 like it's like a dystopian version of idiocracy meets the handmaid's tale it sounds insane

00:45:30.040 yes but they're like that socialism stuff in the middle of all that sounds good well this is where

00:45:37.540 i don't want to read one more article about sam altman or elon and his trillion dollars sure i

00:45:43.500 want to take a vacation sure uh this is where i think you're you're bringing up something really

00:45:48.880 important. I don't want to completely dismiss where they're coming from in their rhetoric,

00:45:55.260 because to your point, what they're also able to do beyond capture the outrage to get distribution,

00:46:01.760 that's a lot of, you know, a lot of the stuff that they say initiates that way. But then underneath,

00:46:07.140 what are they speaking to the economic insecurity of a plurality of Americans, clearly, and they're

00:46:12.480 able to exploit it and take advantage of it and give their version of what should happen,

00:46:16.900 which is essentially some version of let's dismantle and take from people that are making

00:46:22.240 things and redistribute that which on you know we know doesn't work and it's never worked and

00:46:28.680 i think it never will work so what can we take away from them to your point that is actually

00:46:33.640 worth taking away it is that we are at this moment where people have been beating the drum

00:46:39.880 since Trump won around economic insecurity.

00:46:44.440 The first wave was about saying,

00:46:47.480 we have hollowed out all of the United States

00:46:49.800 except the coasts,

00:46:51.440 and nobody is going to do anything about it

00:46:53.360 except Donald Trump, so we're going to elect him.

00:46:56.340 To your point, I think that that's very accurate.

00:46:58.860 This next wave looks like something

00:47:00.600 that's much more subtle,

00:47:01.880 but equally powerful potentially,

00:47:03.940 which is how do I get a chance

00:47:05.980 to get to the starting line?

00:47:07.040 and very smart candidates like these guys are perverting that desire and instead saying well

00:47:14.480 let me just even the finish line for all of us and some people can't tell the difference they're

00:47:19.280 like starting line finish line whatever i just i just want more uh the problem is if you just even

00:47:25.420 the finish line you become a ward of the state uh i i think you know this but like i grew up on

00:47:31.040 welfare my you know my parents had very little money um i am telling i i will just scream from

00:47:37.380 the mountaintops you do not want this life i've lived that life it is horrendous it is horrible

00:47:43.260 it is uh dehumanizing um and anybody that tells you otherwise hasn't lived in those conditions

00:47:50.140 you don't want to be a ward of the state getting a check because the finish line was set for you

00:47:54.780 by somebody else you don't want to stand in line and wait four years in a free free hospital

00:48:00.940 that doesn't work. You want to have an even starting line. You want to be able to have

00:48:06.660 the economic mobility to go where you want to go. You want to know that the game isn't rigged

00:48:10.980 against you. Those are completely reasonable desires. So I think we have to address those

00:48:16.000 issues. And we have to make sure that we dismantle some of these arguments because

00:48:22.400 the idea of just taking is reductive, but it sounds really nice to some people at some point.

00:48:30.940 I mean, I do wonder how much can a politician do to help people economically?

00:48:36.860 I do think Trump's deregulation, Trump's keeping the taxes, I mean, they're not low,

00:48:43.080 but they're lower than they would have been had he not won re-election and gotten an extension

00:48:48.340 of his tax cuts passed.

00:48:51.060 That helps.

00:48:52.280 That helps.

00:48:53.060 Like, honestly, the people who are suffering in New York City, this woman Chevalier,

00:48:57.140 what's she going to be able to do for them? 1.00

00:48:58.560 nothing but she's going to be able to create a lot of chaos and slow things down and gum up the

00:49:03.840 system and you know i mean you talked with mark about the housing bill that just passed

00:49:08.880 there is the potential for government in moments to do some really useful and good things

00:49:16.400 there was an enormous amount of upside i think in the one big beautiful bill it cleaned up a

00:49:25.280 bunch of regulation, it cleaned up a bunch of grifty, you know, tax credit schemes that were

00:49:30.900 just bogging down the economy and just wasting money. In this housing bill, I read, I don't know

00:49:37.060 much about it, but I read one very clever feature, which I thought, wow, this makes so much sense.

00:49:41.740 You know, everybody rails about how hard it is to get local state governments to do anything,

00:49:47.380 you know, to get a permit to do anything. And they had two things, Megan, that I thought was

00:49:50.520 brilliant. One was, if you have a building to the left of you and a building to the right of you,

00:49:54.680 You don't need an economic and environmental review because clearly these two buildings had to go through all of this for years. So just build what you want to build. And second, if I'm just buying from a home builder and I'm just taking a pattern that they've built 10 times, why do I need all these extra permits?

00:50:09.700 So there are ways that governments can just step in in very tactical, precise ways to just get out of our own way.

00:50:19.020 And what it turns out is other Americans are very clever and industrious and are then able to make things for you that you want.

00:50:27.540 That's where I think government plays a huge role.

00:50:29.960 And I think when you whack back regulation and regulatory capture, you generally allow you and me and all of the other people in this country to just take care of ourselves and each other.

00:50:42.040 And it always works out better that way.

00:50:45.820 Unfortunately, they've been sold a bill of goods on what the next gen DSA candidate can do for them.

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00:52:27.280 so chamath palihapitiya is still with us of the all in podcast which if you're not already

00:52:34.960 listening to you should be go and subscribe now so chamath um there's you know we'd be remiss if

00:52:41.200 we didn't acknowledge what's happening on the left with respect to israel has creeped over into the

00:52:45.160 right and the the right wing the independents no longer support israel in overwhelming numbers

00:52:50.720 they're against it now i mean they disapprove of it they don't approve of its behavior it's

00:52:55.660 its government, its leadership and the decisions they've made. Now that's happening more and more

00:53:02.140 within Republican politics as well. And I just think, you know, we started the show by reading

00:53:08.320 from one political pundit who said every Democrat now is going to swing much harder against both

00:53:15.120 AIPAC and Israel going forward as a result of last night. But the truth is Republicans are

00:53:20.340 going to have a really serious decision to make too when it comes to positioning on Israel.

00:53:24.940 And I'm going to play the soundbite from Tucker, who announced to a podcast I've never heard of earlier this week that he's left the GOP.

00:53:34.780 Now, I haven't been a member of the GOP in 20 plus years.

00:53:37.920 I'm a registered independent.

00:53:39.360 And that's I'm very happy where I am.

00:53:41.320 But it's over this issue.

00:53:43.080 And he he speaks for others, too.

00:53:44.960 I wanted to get your reaction.

00:53:46.340 Watch this.

00:53:47.440 I would not support the Republican Party.

00:53:48.960 There's no chance I would support the Republican Party.

00:53:51.020 Not going to support the Democratic Party.

00:53:52.660 I don't know what I'm going to do.

00:53:53.860 But at this point, you know, how could you support how could I or any American voters support a political party that's not loyal to the United States that puts the interest of a foreign country above those of its own citizens like that's that's you know, it's not possible to vote for people like that.

00:54:09.900 that I'm not going to. And I think I voted Republican my entire life. I worked at Fox

00:54:14.840 News, CNN, MSNBC. I've been a consistent defender for 35 years of the Republican Party. I mean,

00:54:23.160 very consistent defender. But there's no defending this because it's immoral. And it's exactly the

00:54:28.540 opposite of what a political party in a democracy is charged with doing, which is representing

00:54:34.700 its own voters, its own citizens, its own nation. And they're not doing that. So no, I'm out. And

00:54:40.400 if I'm out, then I think a lot of other people are out. Wow. It's the can't be censored podcast.

00:54:46.820 Yeah, pretty extraordinary. There is a growing wing within the GOP that I think feels the way

00:54:51.660 Tucker does. But what do you see happening here on on the red team as we go into these midterms

00:54:58.640 and then beyond? Because, you know, right now there's there are thought pieces out on how,

00:55:02.860 for example, over on the blue team, Josh Shapiro's out. The Democrats are not going to vote

00:55:08.360 for even a Jewish man, never mind a Jewish man who supports Israel. That's extreme. But I do

00:55:15.960 wonder what it's going to do to Republican politics going forward. Yeah, I share these

00:55:20.060 same concerns with you. I find this incredibly concerning. Many of my closest friends are Jewish

00:55:25.920 And I love Israel. I had the honor of working there very early in my career. I would spend time in Tel Aviv, spend time in Jerusalem. The people are unbelievable. Frankly, most of the people I've ever met in the Middle East have been unbelievable.

00:55:43.860 like in every country there, UAE, Israel, particularly those two countries have spent

00:55:48.220 more time than any place else. So this idea that, you know, we have an issue with Israel needs to

00:55:56.660 be separated from, do we have an issue with the current leadership of Israel versus Israelis

00:56:02.440 versus Jews? And I think that's a really important distinction that we have to make.

00:56:07.480 I think that people are hitting a level of exhaustion with BB. And I think it's important

00:56:18.540 to acknowledge that and then ask the question, is it time for what more does BB need to accomplish

00:56:26.880 at this point where he can sort of say, okay, in his view, not defending it, but in his view,

00:56:32.540 whatever he felt needed to be done, maybe he can say he can declare victory and step to

00:56:37.460 the side so that Israel can find a firmer footing on the global stage. Because I think what is 0.77

00:56:43.200 happening, unfortunately, is that that leadership is creating a schism where it's forcing us to

00:56:52.340 make very difficult decisions. I don't know if you've been watching, but America versus Europe

00:56:58.360 is sort of falling along these lines as well about what's happening. I think it's very complicated

00:57:05.500 and it's super concerning but i think if i could tell people that are watching um please think

00:57:12.080 about whether you're actually anti-israel or anti-jew or whether you're just very frustrated

00:57:17.340 with bb and i think that's a very reasonable claim to have but i would encourage you to not

00:57:23.080 project that onto jews particularly jews in america uh jews at large or israelis at large

00:57:29.300 These are, by and large, incredible human beings and people. And you can be upset with a leader, and that's allowed. And I think that that's reasonable. And there's enough fodder there where, you know, you can not be super happy with Bibi. But I would just try to make that distinction because it needs to be made.

00:57:49.380 But it's a little more than Bibi because I'd be thrilled to see Bibi go. 0.84

00:57:53.480 I think he's done so much harm.

00:57:54.800 And you look at the tens of thousands of civilians dead in Gaza, among one thing.

00:58:00.040 And then he started it again in Beirut.

00:58:01.680 He seems very determined to queer the deal that Trump struck to end this war.

00:58:06.380 So that's all bad.

00:58:07.380 But it's beyond him because the AIPAC thing is real, too.

00:58:10.980 And it's not just AIPAC.

00:58:11.740 I've been a critic of CARE for many, many, many years.

00:58:15.040 By the way, no one ever gave me a hard time over that.

00:58:16.880 But you become a critic of AIPAC and you get flooded with trolls in your in your ex account.

00:58:21.940 But these foreign lobby groups, I mean, these these groups that are lobbying basically on behalf of a foreign country and their interests.

00:58:29.000 And AIPAC is I mean, they are like NRA level in terms of their influence and control and how ubiquitous they are and how many politicians they've touched with their money that it's like now that's long. 0.74

00:58:41.260 That predates Bibi and it'll go on after Bibi.

00:58:43.460 And that that's something people hold against Israel.

00:58:45.740 Like, stop. Stop with the constant interference in our politics.

00:58:49.040 You're bringing up a really important historical example when you make the comparison of AIPAC to NRA.

00:58:55.800 In what way? Both of those organizations were incredibly sophisticated.

00:59:01.280 They had huge ground games. They had an incredible fundraising apparatus.

00:59:07.280 But what happened ultimately to the NRA?

00:59:09.380 It became an organization.

00:59:14.300 Sorry about that, Megan.

00:59:15.740 focused on its own power, more than it was focused on advancing, you know, gun rights,

00:59:22.060 necessarily? How do we know that? Because of what ultimately then happened in the NRA?

00:59:28.960 Issues of fraud or issues of corruption, and then the dismantling of the NRA that's happened now.

00:59:36.220 So what I would say is, AIPAC is probably no different than any large organization,

00:59:41.660 which is you start with a virtuous mission, right?

00:59:44.820 You think that you're fundraising

00:59:46.180 on behalf of something virtuous.

00:59:48.280 And I just think human nature has demonstrated

00:59:50.820 that beyond a certain amount of influence and capital,

00:59:54.260 these types of organizations tend to fold itself inward

00:59:58.600 and lose the script.

01:00:00.700 So I think if you want to criticize AIPAC,

01:00:03.020 again, fair enough.

01:00:04.160 I think there's probably enough material there to point to.

01:00:09.280 And again, I would just say the same thing 1.00

01:00:10.960 not to be repetitive, but that is so different than Jews and Israelis. So great. You can put, 1.00

01:00:18.160 you know, AIPAC and its operations under scrutiny. I think it's fair to do that. We can put,

01:00:23.680 you know, Southern Poverty Law Center under scrutiny. We should do that. NRA has already

01:00:27.920 been under scrutiny. So there are examples here when these lobby organizations beyond a certain

01:00:32.380 amount of scale lose its way. I think it's fair to critique AIPAC and see whether that's happened

01:00:37.540 there i don't know the story well enough to to judge but i would just say it could have happened

01:00:42.020 and maybe that's where a lot of people's anger comes from entirely different than an entire

01:00:47.640 class of people or religion that is just totally different yeah yeah that is important distinction

01:00:55.100 to keep in mind all right from apac to ai which is right up your alley yeah uh where do you stand

01:01:01.080 on it are you part of the doom the doomer crowd uh predicting you know i sort of made a joke before

01:01:07.080 Like, we're going to solve every disease that can kill man, and then we're going to get bombed by the machines that solved it.

01:01:13.680 So where do you stand on AI?

01:01:15.940 Where do you see it going?

01:01:18.780 Look, when I was an early executive, I helped build Facebook.

01:01:24.160 I think that that's well known.

01:01:25.560 A lot of what I did there was the early table setting of AI.

01:01:30.080 And then this next phase of my life, I was an investor and invested in a lot of AI related efforts and space and other things. But two years ago, I started a business in AI and I've spent most of my time. Now, maybe the question is, I didn't have to do that at 50 years old. I'm tired, exhausted, quite honestly, but why do I do it?

01:01:51.220 I'm being really honest with you, not hyperbolic when I say this. It is the most important and

01:01:56.840 powerful economic leveler I've ever seen. What does that mean? Going back to how we talked about

01:02:04.360 we want to even the starting line, not even the finishing line. What is the most incredible thing

01:02:10.600 that you could do to even the starting line? Well, imagine you and I, Megan, had to run the

01:02:14.020 100-meter dash against Usain Bolt, but we were both given an exoskeleton that allowed us to run

01:02:19.920 as fast as he did. That is an example of just trying to analogize what AI is in your pocket

01:02:28.040 or in my pocket or any of your viewers' and listeners' pockets. It's not about knowledge

01:02:32.900 anymore. It is about literally taking all of the expertise and intellect of the smartest humans

01:02:39.460 that have ever lived and compacting that in a way where you can have that beside you effectively as

01:02:46.600 your partner, as your analyst, as your doctor, as your co-founder, as your co-parent. So it allows

01:02:54.140 you to do things that, frankly, we weren't able to do before. The reason we're here and why so

01:03:01.100 many people have a negative view on AI has nothing to do with the product itself. It has everything

01:03:06.120 to do with the personalities and the insecurities that have spilled out into the open amongst the

01:03:11.400 players in this play and i think it's important to make sure we tell that story honestly because

01:03:18.120 it would be a shame if this technology got negatively painted because of infighting and

01:03:25.440 rancor and the kind of stuff that we're dealing with now you have for example like you talked

01:03:30.300 about it with mark you know in the race where george conway got crushed and schlossberg was

01:03:35.520 a nothing burger the real two candidates in that race was a pro ai person that was funded in a way

01:03:43.020 from organizations that wanted to see progressive approaches to ai progressive i define as like

01:03:49.040 let a thousand flowers bloom and then a bunch of doomers and the doomers said lock it all down

01:03:55.740 let the government decide who gets it and how could you imagine if the government

01:03:59.880 decided how you got access to healthcare information. Is that insane as it sounds?

01:04:06.780 Because that's exactly what they're saying. And yet that organization, funded by NPROPIC,

01:04:13.600 raised $21 million than they spent in that election. And they still lost. Thank God.

01:04:20.660 So we have to now take the narrative back. We have to paint the reality. There's going to be

01:04:27.080 some initial dislocation, but there's some huge pockets of wins right now that are happening

01:04:32.140 economically. There are construction foremen, managers, engineers, plumbers, electricians.

01:04:38.780 These folks are making hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

01:04:43.220 Those economic benefits spill into the communities in which they're in. The taxes that are paid on

01:04:48.200 these things are funding hospitals and schools at a level that hasn't happened before.

01:04:53.540 the data centers you're talking about building and paying taxes on yeah all of this stuff is

01:04:59.280 happening but where none of it gets told uh instead what it's being told is hey watch out

01:05:05.240 the sky is falling and the problem with chicken little is you you don't believe him after a while

01:05:10.180 because it turns out that the sky doesn't actually ever fall what is actually happening is he is

01:05:15.840 projecting his insecurities into the public light to essentially gatekeep this technology

01:05:22.120 by saying, it doesn't matter, you know,

01:05:25.060 how much value I make at this point.

01:05:26.560 What really matters to me is I'm on the inside,

01:05:29.140 looking out, deciding who gets to use this and how. 0.83

01:05:32.060 And I think that is fundamentally un-American 0.86

01:05:34.220 and it's very concerning to me.

01:05:37.380 So I think that we have to let this technology breathe,

01:05:43.980 let great people who have great intentions

01:05:47.060 make things for people.

01:05:49.400 And we have to have enough circumspection so that you understand the incentives of the

01:05:56.140 doomers.

01:05:56.860 The doomers want control. 1.00

01:05:59.260 They want the handmaid's tale.

01:06:01.080 They want to decide who gets to use things and how.

01:06:04.820 And I think gatekeeping this kind of power is incredibly irresponsible.

01:06:11.060 They use the exact opposite word.

01:06:13.000 They say it's responsible.

01:06:14.260 It is not.

01:06:15.020 It's deeply irresponsible.

01:06:16.480 You don't worry about putting a generation out of work. That's what worries me. I think the details we're we're marching toward eliminating millions of white collar jobs. I don't think so. Without a whole lot of thought about it. I'll give you one. Here's Citadel CEO Ken Griffin in an interview in May. Listen to this at 45.

01:06:38.600 Let me just share a few thoughts with you on this.

01:06:42.840 Number one is, in the last few months, there has been a step change function in the productivity of the AI toolkit.

01:06:53.080 It is profoundly more powerful than it was just nine months ago.

01:06:59.580 And for us at Citadel, that has allowed us to unleash a much broader array of use cases for AI.

01:07:08.600 And it has been really interesting to watch, to be blunt, work that we would usually do

01:07:15.320 with people with masters and PhDs in finance over the course of weeks or months being done

01:07:21.920 by AI agents over the course of hours or days.

01:07:26.900 So these are not mid-tier white-collar jobs.

01:07:31.120 These are like extraordinarily high-skilled jobs being, I'm going to pick a word, being

01:07:38.560 automated by agentic AI. And I got to tell you, I went home one Friday actually fairly depressed

01:07:47.720 by this. What do you make of it? I think that Ken Griffin is an incredibly brilliant investor

01:07:55.320 and businessman. I think he's built an incredible business. And I think if you date stamp what he

01:07:59.700 said and look 18 months from now, I will bet any amount of money, two things are true. One is that

01:08:07.840 he actually has more people working at Citadel, not less. And two, his assets under management

01:08:12.700 have gone up, not down. And on the margin, I suspect three, he's made more profits.

01:08:18.260 What does that actually show? I think it's very reasonable for people to look at something that's

01:08:24.960 incredibly powerful like this and not fully understand its totality. And I understand that.

01:08:30.580 And I think it's extremely prudent for someone like Ken Griffin, who is very trustworthy,

01:08:34.180 to actually paint a balanced approach. But I suspect when you ask him how to refine his opinion,

01:08:43.460 you know, and as he refines his opinion, if you, you know, are able to ask him this exact same

01:08:47.320 question, Megan, in a year and just ask precisely, did your business grow or shrink? Did the number

01:08:52.180 of people go up or down? Did your AUM go up or down? And the people in your organization making

01:08:57.020 more or less, I suspect the answer is more on all counts. And the reason I know this is in my

01:09:03.540 business, that's what I see. I don't see myself displacing engineers or product managers or

01:09:11.060 designers. Our business, 8090, we go in and we work with the largest organizations in America,

01:09:19.140 the Global 1000, the most prestigious, big, complicated businesses, and the US government.

01:09:26.200 In all of these cases, when we go in and we work with them and we use AI to improve their business,

01:09:32.140 they grow more. They end up hiring more. They end up paying these people more. And you're right

01:09:39.400 that people move up the stack in their capability in terms of the skills that they offer. Like I

01:09:45.340 suspect when the Megyn Kelly show implements AI, using AI to maybe make short form clips for you,

01:09:52.100 using AI to help market your show better, to sell ads, I suspect what happens is you will grow more,

01:09:58.400 even more. I mean, you've had incredible success, but you'll be even more successful

01:10:01.960 it'll auto translate you into umpteen languages now people all over the world will watch you

01:10:07.040 your team will get bigger they're invariably going to ask that you pay the more you're going

01:10:12.840 to have to do that um it's going to be a win and i think that there are going to be umpteen examples

01:10:19.180 of this is why i'm saying we're in a moment in time where there's a vacuum and this vacuum has

01:10:23.960 been filled by misdirection and misinformation by a small cohort of people that need two things

01:10:31.800 They want absolute control, and they want all of the money because the way that they've approached this technology is extremely expensive.

01:10:41.360 What do I mean by that?

01:10:43.960 We have a company, Anthropic, that launched a model.

01:10:46.560 It's exceptional.

01:10:47.280 We use it.

01:10:48.320 I mean, this is an incredibly talented team.

01:10:50.800 Politics aside, all of these other tactics aside, they're technically superior.

01:10:54.680 I'm glad they're American.

01:10:55.540 But let's just say it costs you $100 an hour to use their latest model.

01:11:03.220 A Chinese competitor launched a model basically a few weeks later, and it's $10 an hour.

01:11:10.460 I'm just using those numbers as a comparison.

01:11:12.700 It's one-tenth the cost.

01:11:15.100 So for whatever set of decisions that Anthropic has made, they need all the money, all of it.

01:11:20.560 So, when they talk to investors, they're trying to present this picture of this is going to be cataclysmic. You need to be on our side. And also, we need to make sure that we stage gate this because a bevy of competitors makes their access to capital harder.

01:11:36.500 I think if everybody understood those incentives and at least thought about them for one second when you heard the Doomer narrative, you would probably balance what they're saying and say, maybe they're saying what's right, or maybe this is a very fancy soundbite to advance their agenda and take a second to understand their agenda and judge for yourself.

01:11:56.520 Is it true that Anthropic went from $1 billion to $44 billion in revenue in 17 months?

01:12:07.780 So this is a very complicated question. And the reason why is they're very opaque in how they

01:12:17.560 report revenue. And they have every right to. So let me be clear. They're not a public company.

01:12:22.520 they're not subject to public reporting standards. They publish what they feel like they should

01:12:27.420 publish. And frankly, they publish what, you know, the minimum that they can get away with

01:12:32.760 to their investors. It is very hard to really know underneath the hood what that revenue means.

01:12:39.660 Meaning, is it actually recurring where you and I are on the long-term contract and we have to pay

01:12:44.960 this? Is it one-time revenue? Is it coming from a handful of folks? Is it coming from a long tail?

01:12:50.660 What is true is that their revenue is going absolutely parabolic, again, because the quality of their business is undeniable. The quality of what they've built is undeniable. And so they've had enormous success. I can't speak to the actual numbers because there's a level of opacity that, you know, for a person like me.

01:13:10.120 Well, let me get at it a different way, because it seems to me the level of investment in

01:13:18.120 companies like Anthropic and beyond has, I don't know, triple, quadruple?

01:13:23.840 We're talking about hundreds of-

01:13:24.780 Oh my gosh, it's 200 basis points of GDP now.

01:13:27.180 It's five, six, seven, eight hundred billion dollars a year. 0.98

01:13:30.940 That's insane, Chumai.

01:13:31.800 It's insane. 1.00

01:13:32.360 So if I were to ask you, separate apart from whether it's good or bad, if I were to ask

01:13:35.760 you you take any industry in america and inject it with five six hundred billions in in investments

01:13:43.200 what's going to happen to that industry i mean it's a great question okay it's about to take

01:13:46.840 over so let's let's let's postulate this so or let's hypothesize i think we people hate going

01:13:53.140 back and looking at history but i think history is sometimes a very useful teacher here um you know

01:13:58.700 the level of investment that we're seeing is probably most reasonably approximated to two

01:14:04.800 different parts of the business life of the United States. The first was there was an incredible

01:14:11.380 investment cycle that we Americans went through when we were building transportation infrastructure

01:14:18.160 in the 1800s and the 1700s, everything from canals and then canals that transitioned to,

01:14:23.380 you know, major railroads with the invention of steam engines and whatnot. And that was on the

01:14:28.720 scale on an inflation adjusted basis of what we're talking about. Another example is the

01:14:34.780 you know, major highway infrastructure system, also on the same order of magnitude of this.

01:14:40.080 So to your point, one of the things that's so odd this time around is we've transitioned from

01:14:45.160 public support and public investment, right? By the way, many of the canals that were built in

01:14:50.140 the United States were underwritten by private investors. However, they had state backstops.

01:14:55.960 Same thing for some railroads. But this time around, it's all privately financed.

01:15:00.720 And so you're looking at a level of investment and you're wondering, well, how do we make this thing equitable and fair?

01:15:07.000 Because the canals and the railroads were ultimately available to everyone.

01:15:11.800 The highway system in the United States is available to everyone.

01:15:16.060 This is why, again, I go back to if we're making this level of investment and I thank the private actors in America that are stepping up and our partners abroad who are stepping up.

01:15:27.460 How do we make sure that it's available to everybody?

01:15:29.940 Like this is the last thing we should gatekeep. Could you imagine if the highways could only be used by certain people at certain times that were judged by a private company? That is insane. And so we're making the investment. The jobs are being created. The profits are being spread out. All of that is good.

01:15:46.060 And what is scary is that now we may marry that with gatekeeping. And that's to the benefit of the few that are making the system. And I can understand it logically in the sense that that's a capital incentive. Okay, reasonable. But we have to be smart enough to see through that, not fall for the doomerism, balance the perspective and say, you know what, it's great that you're doing it, you're going to build a great business, you're going to be rewarded, but we're going to keep this thing fundamentally open.

01:16:14.400 And I think we have to do that. And we have to make sure we draw the line and see the forest from the trees. Do not fall for the doomer narrative. It is laced with their own personal incentives.

01:16:24.580 i'm worried about the computers eliminating a bunch of jobs number one so our kids don't have

01:16:33.080 meaningful places to go because i hear you saying that the companies are going to add jobs but like

01:16:36.280 that's not what a lot of other people are saying and i i see i can see it i can see i was a lawyer

01:16:40.840 for almost 10 years first second third year lawyers their work is getting eliminated i mean

01:16:47.500 a computer can do that now ai can do that now but then how do you become a senior lawyer without

01:16:51.820 having been a first second and a third year lawyer like you can't have but that's just one field like

01:16:56.040 graphic design gone no no a lot of the pieces of the medical industry can we pick can we pick these

01:17:02.300 these are not true can i debunk these let's let's give you i'll give you a couple examples yeah yeah

01:17:06.120 okay so i'll give you three examples and i'll end with lawyers but let me start with animators

01:17:11.200 there's an incredible story that jeffrey katzenberg tells jeffrey katzenberg is

01:17:15.020 famous incredible entrepreneur executive investor ran dreamworks he was at disney he was the

01:17:21.680 number two person at disney uh working for michael eisner who was the ceo at the time and he flew up

01:17:26.600 to silicon valley from los angeles and he uh went to meet steve jobs this was after steve was you

01:17:33.980 know sort of deposed from apple and started this company called next computer and he had bought a

01:17:39.880 small company called pixar and steve was working to make a movie but didn't have enough capital

01:17:45.380 so jeffrey says i'll finance you let's do it first he said i want to buy you and steve said no

01:17:52.220 And so Jeffrey says, great, let me finance you

01:17:54.120 and let's do a three or four picture deal.

01:17:56.920 And Steve says, great, go back to LA, get the deal done.

01:18:00.780 And Jeffrey goes back and says,

01:18:01.800 guys, we're doing this deal with Pixar.

01:18:03.940 The animators are up in arms

01:18:06.380 because what they see is a computer

01:18:08.400 that's trying to replace their job.

01:18:10.380 Sound familiar, right?

01:18:11.800 It's like, I animate by hand

01:18:13.700 and now this computer is going to make these graphics.

01:18:16.160 It's going to be much better than my graphics.

01:18:18.200 I'm going to lose a job.

01:18:19.420 They were up in arms.

01:18:21.120 Jeffrey and Michael sit in a room.

01:18:23.100 Jeffrey says, I thought through this.

01:18:24.960 It is going to be okay.

01:18:25.960 We're going to look back and we will have more animators.

01:18:29.360 He walked through his logic.

01:18:30.740 Michael says, okay, the deal gets done.

01:18:32.300 The first movie they release is Toy Story.

01:18:34.160 Okay, fast forward a decade.

01:18:36.940 The number of animators inside of Disney has gone up by 10x.

01:18:42.380 It didn't shrink.

01:18:43.560 It didn't go away.

01:18:44.880 In fact, what it did was it opened the aperture for what was possible.

01:18:48.100 Second example, we had all of this dumerism in the medical field around doctors and radiologists specifically. And it's this idea that using AI, you can get to absolute precision. Why do I need a doctor visually inspecting with their eyes, whether I have a tumor or not? Oh my God, give it to a computer. The computer will absolutely know with surety.

01:19:13.340 Lo and behold, what turns out to be true?

01:19:15.960 We implement these systems, and the computer needs the human judgment to sit on top of it.

01:19:22.480 The human is the operator.

01:19:24.880 And now, what has happened in radiology?

01:19:28.400 The number of jobs have far exceeded the number of jobs before AI.

01:19:35.580 So AI, now in two markets, have grown the pie of jobs.

01:19:40.680 I'll give you a third example now, which is we'll end with lawyers. Unless humans stop populating the earth and passing laws and politicians seeking power, unless that happens, the body of law is only growing. There's this positive entropy where it just keeps growing. I'm not saying it's right. In fact, I think it's wrong, but it just happens.

01:20:02.500 even when you feed it into an AI, you need more human supervision and human judgment.

01:20:09.500 So you're right. The tedium of the lawyer goes away. And there's a lot of tedium in a lot of

01:20:15.600 jobs. But that's what AI does really well. It deals with the tedium. And now imagine if you're

01:20:20.380 a second and third year associate, instead of having to like sit there and like grind out

01:20:24.660 T's and C's deep into page 98 of a contract, that tedium is done for you. And instead your

01:20:30.440 partner is saying, all right, Megan, frame up this deal. Tell me the broad strokes. That's how

01:20:34.060 we shape this thing. And then you're like, well, look, these two laws conflict with each other.

01:20:38.380 What's our interpretation? What's our human judgment? That's what's happening. And if you

01:20:42.480 look inside of the best law firms, and I'm fortunate to get to work with many of them,

01:20:47.240 the number of people that they're hiring is going up. And in fact, the amount that they're charging

01:20:52.040 me is going up. And I'm just like, what choice do I have? And so in all of these examples,

01:20:59.160 what i see on the ground all the places where people say the jobs are going away it's just not

01:21:04.520 true i think that we have to also take a step back and say why do we think this is true and i think

01:21:13.360 this speaks to a very different thing silicon valley for many years had these kind of like

01:21:20.880 quirky nerds you know we kind of toiled in obscurity every now and then we would poke our

01:21:28.000 had you would point at us and say look at this exotic animal at the zoo and then we would we

01:21:32.680 would go back to you know you know my office in menlo park and palo alto and redwood city and

01:21:37.980 mountain view you know these are these little quaint towns and we would just grind away in

01:21:42.140 obscurity that's what it used to be i think in this last cycle we have done two things that have

01:21:48.760 really hurt us one is we've become deeply unserious in how we manifest our character outside of

01:21:55.380 Silicon Valley. We have built, by and large, except for a few people, a lot of unserious

01:22:01.700 things. Some people specifically have done things that have completely collapsed trust

01:22:08.700 and respect. We've lost our last generation of leaders who were incredible, like people like

01:22:14.520 Steve Jobs. Everybody would have followed him everywhere. And the vacuum is being filled,

01:22:20.820 but it's few and far between we have that next generation but a few of them jensen huang who

01:22:25.940 runs nvidia unbelievable elon musk who obviously who runs spacex unbelievable but there's a vacuum

01:22:32.200 you know mark benioff who runs salesforce unbelievable so we have a few but not nearly

01:22:37.640 as many as we had before and the rest of them are a little bit kind of goofballs and you know 0.97

01:22:42.200 they're the decisions they make are just dumb and you know how they show behind the scenes kinds of 0.98

01:22:46.960 people. Yeah. And like the things that they've allowed to happen inside of their companies, 1.00

01:22:51.180 the stealing of the information, it's all bad. So I think a lot of why people also mistrust AI

01:22:58.180 is they say, well, hold on. If the next generation of leaders of this technology

01:23:02.440 look like this last generation, I don't like that. I don't want to see this next generation

01:23:08.040 of those folks. I want to go back to the 2000 to 2010 era. I want Mark Benioff, Steve Jobs,

01:23:14.920 Jensen Huang, Elon Musk. I want those people. Fundamentally earnest, good, honorable people,

01:23:21.720 predictable, consistent. And that's what we need. We need a reset. And I think if we do that,

01:23:28.220 you are much more likely to believe the positive sum view of AI. Instead, again-

01:23:32.840 All right, wait, let me ask you one other question about it before we move on from this topic.

01:23:37.240 What about what about the risk of like literally AI launching like the nuclear codes, launching missiles, doing something to actually attack?

01:23:48.780 Great question. Great question. OK, let's let's break that one down.

01:23:53.860 Everything runs on software. So the missile codes, when you say, you know, let's let's figure out like some doomsday scenario where somebody gets access to the code codes.

01:24:02.640 there's not some keypad somewhere that you can get access to where you can just go and type in

01:24:08.320 a bunch of codes that are guessed by Anthropic. There's a lot of software. Now, what's incredible

01:24:15.600 today is OpenAI and Anthropic have created a level of proficiency where we are able to take

01:24:23.980 those models, point it at all of that mission-critical code, and say, inspect it line by

01:24:30.620 line, letter by letter, and tell us where all the holes are. And what would you expect that they are

01:24:36.080 finding? That, again, there is an enormous amount of tedium that goes into writing code, okay? And

01:24:42.440 as a result, humans have littered these code bases with thousands and thousands and thousands of

01:24:49.460 preventable errors. And it exists in every single code base, in every single company, for every

01:24:53.860 single use case you can imagine. All of that is slowly getting undone. So at some point in the

01:25:00.140 near future, because we're pointing these technologies at the most critical infrastructure

01:25:05.320 first, what we will know is that these things are incredibly hardened. Now, that's the point about

01:25:12.460 protecting ourselves. That's defense. What about offense? I do think that there needs to be levels

01:25:19.580 of KYC, which what is that? That means know your customer to use some of these most advanced

01:25:25.920 technologies like the best example is and and this is a horrible example but it paints the case

01:25:30.560 you know when timothy mcveigh did that act of domestic terrorism and blew up that um

01:25:36.960 federal office building in oklahoma what did we find out from that we found out that

01:25:43.540 uh we needed to have much stricter guardrails you can go and buy fertilizer but the minute

01:25:48.380 that you're trying to buy two tons of fertilizer all these you know uh red lights go off and you

01:25:54.520 have to submit your driver's license. And we write that information down. And we keep that

01:25:58.800 in storage. That's the kind of KYC that's incredibly important. Why? Because it allows

01:26:05.960 us to backtrack and say, you're allowed to have fertilizer. But beyond a certain point, that can

01:26:11.580 go from being a tool to being a weapon. Similarly, with AI, it's not unreasonable to say that there

01:26:18.380 is a class of model that you should be able to use at your home. Why? Because you want to help

01:26:23.640 manage your health, you want to help your kids, you want an AI tutor, go at it. You don't need

01:26:28.500 any identification. But there's going to be a certain class of model, to your point, Megan,

01:26:32.780 that could create a biological weapon, that has enough intelligence to maybe manufacture a bomb.

01:26:39.580 You should be forced to put your driver's license, your passport. We should know who you are.

01:26:45.720 And that's a reasonable expectation to use that class of model. We do this in many other

01:26:50.880 parts of our society today. And I think that's how we should deal with this, is just have a

01:26:57.520 reasonable know-your-client KYC infrastructure. It's a different example. If you wanted to send

01:27:03.340 me 50 million bucks, you could probably do it because you and I are known actors. You wanted

01:27:07.860 to send it to a random account in Colombia, all kinds of alarm bells go off, and you're going to

01:27:13.900 get a call from Treasury because these infrastructure says you have to identify.

01:27:18.840 We need all this tracking information.

01:27:20.920 Otherwise, you're not allowed to do those things.

01:27:22.460 That happens in so many parts of our society today.

01:27:25.640 So I think we should apply that here.

01:27:27.200 You're saying that that transaction would be shut down or labeled for extra scrutiny

01:27:33.280 by the AI companies before they would just start forming out this information that a

01:27:37.540 bad actor would want.

01:27:38.340 No, in fact, I think it's more that there needs to be almost like a third party that

01:27:42.880 sits in between all of this and says, beyond a certain class of transaction, a certain

01:27:48.180 class of prompt you have to self-identify in a way that that you know authorities as well as

01:27:54.840 those companies can go back to if anything bad were to happen or prevent something beyond the

01:28:00.060 honor system because we're not talking in this hypothetical about honor the honorable people and

01:28:04.160 this is where like the honor system won't work for a very bad actor who has an incentive to try to do

01:28:08.640 harm to the united states i get that but let's do that not gatekeep the stuff from everybody else

01:28:13.700 Because 99.999% of these use cases are reasonable and good and useful to you and me and everybody else.

01:28:21.940 And so we should just deal with it.

01:28:22.940 I mean, I'm all for curing pancreatic cancer and skin cancer.

01:28:28.180 We've been getting so many amazing updates on the health field as of late, thanks in large part to AI.

01:28:34.340 So that I get very excited about and very happy.

01:28:37.740 Just hope we can live to enjoy our wellness.

01:28:40.500 That's all.

01:28:41.420 All right, stand by.

01:28:42.480 We're going to take a break.

01:28:43.400 you made a very compelling argument. We're going to be back with Chamath on the opposite side of

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01:30:47.840 Chamath, there's bad behavior in New York and you're going to be shocked, shocked to learn who

01:30:52.560 did it. A woman caught on video reporting here from the New York Post emptying a public trash

01:30:57.820 can on the street and then stealing it during the celebration of the Knicks championship parade

01:31:03.480 has since been identified.

01:31:06.060 Before I say who she is,

01:31:07.520 we're going to look at the video

01:31:08.460 where she's caught on camera

01:31:09.940 here in SOT 16.

01:31:14.160 All right, so it's a very large, 0.80

01:31:20.880 though short woman in a Knicks shirt 1.00

01:31:23.140 dumping trash all over 0.97

01:31:24.660 the New York City streets

01:31:25.600 because nothing says thank you

01:31:26.720 to the New York Knicks

01:31:27.440 like trashing their city

01:31:28.780 and then steals the specially painted 1.00

01:31:31.320 blue and orange trash can for herself. And who does it turn out to be? Well, she was,

01:31:41.200 up until this broke, a director at JPMorgan Chase. She was fired on Tuesday after this video

01:31:48.240 went viral. Her name is Angie Baez, 40, and she was promoted to executive director of community

01:31:55.940 and Industry Engagement, which is DEI. She previously served as executive director of DEI

01:32:02.760 at New York-based review website, The Infatuation, which Chase acquired. She's a DEI honcho.

01:32:10.700 I'll give you just a little bit of her bio. This is how she was described at The Infatuation,

01:32:17.160 acquired by J.P. Morgan. As a vibrant mosaic of Dominican heritage, Bronx roots, and a passion

01:32:23.940 for storytelling, creativity, and culture. Angie continues to lead the way toward a more inclusive

01:32:30.020 and equitable future for food media, leaving an indelible mark on the infatuation and everything 0.79

01:32:36.780 she touches, Chamav, including that garbage can. She also co-founded a queer, Black, Indigenous, 0.89

01:32:43.540 and people of color-owned talent agency focused on increasing representation and equity in media

01:32:48.260 and industry, which works with artists and talent on creative projects, photo shoots, strategy,

01:32:52.600 and business affairs. Now she's unemployed because she is a classless thief. This is a 1.00

01:32:59.700 made up profession. Is anybody surprised she was idle, had nothing better to do than walk around 1.00

01:33:05.500 the streets of New York stealing? Well, look, I don't know about how much the job impacted this

01:33:12.500 decision, but she's a really terrible crook. You know, you can't document your crime. You know 1.00

01:33:19.300 what i mean like that's like a really stupid idea like okay commit the crime i can understand why 0.95

01:33:23.720 look if i was in my 20s and i was it i'm not a new york knicks fan i hate the knicks uh i apologize 0.93

01:33:29.980 but uh if i was a new york knicks fan and they're so you know hard scrabble they had no chance of

01:33:37.440 winning ever and then they win obviously i would have been shocked too maybe i would have tried to

01:33:43.240 steal a garbage can in my 20s in my 20s but i would have done it under the cover of darkness

01:33:49.060 I mean, this is in broad daylight.

01:33:50.860 Somebody's filming it.

01:33:51.860 Then they're taking pictures of her on the subway with it.

01:33:53.820 She's clearly excited.

01:33:55.220 That's the mistake here.

01:33:57.500 It's insane. 1.00

01:33:58.700 Too stupid to work at J.P. Morgan Chase and good for them for canning her. 1.00

01:34:03.240 Very bad criminal. 1.00

01:34:03.640 Very bad criminal. 1.00

01:34:05.160 So dumb. 1.00

01:34:06.460 God, I hate dumb people. 1.00

01:34:08.220 My next sound bite is from someone who is not dumb but said something. 1.00

01:34:11.680 I don't know if it's dumb. 0.99

01:34:12.900 It's just so annoying. 0.97

01:34:14.380 Like speaking of DEI and wokeness.

01:34:16.460 Larry David, whose show I enjoy. I think Curb Your Enthusiasm is so clever and very funny,

01:34:22.560 but I just wish he would stop with the political over the top stuff. Here he is commenting on the

01:34:29.560 250th and the UFC celebration that Trump had at the White House. Take a listen.

01:34:35.540 This is your way of celebrating America. The White House did it much differently with the UFC fight.

01:34:40.440 what did you think about that? It was a, it was a travesty. Yeah. What else can you say about it?

01:34:49.160 It was, it was embarrassing. I was embarrassed to be an American.

01:34:54.220 Okay. There's no question. Larry lives in either Beverly Hills or Bel Air and is living it up

01:35:00.020 big and looked at these guys, Chamath, and had absolutely nothing that he could relate to on

01:35:04.800 this more of a working class American sport, turned his nose up at it and walked away saying,

01:35:10.180 I'm embarrassed to be associated with them. You know, what I find a problem with this is not the 0.80

01:35:15.860 opinion, because you're allowed in America to have opposite opinions. I just think that people

01:35:21.500 memory hole the arc of all of these things. If you remember in the Biden White House,

01:35:29.020 you know, they put rainbow flags on the beams of the South Lawn of the White House of different

01:35:39.220 colors. And there was like this kind of like parade or carnival type atmosphere during pride.

01:35:45.420 I saw Tranny's fake breasts. 0.99

01:35:47.440 Yeah. So I think that that probably made a certain class of Americans feel equally uncomfortable, 0.80

01:35:53.700 whether it's for religious or other reasons. So every president in recent memory has

01:36:00.720 essentially tried to find a part of the American culture that they want to amplify.

01:36:05.540 And it necessarily does upset other parts of the American culture. I think, though, that when you're somebody that's public, you have to have the wherewithal to see that and actually say, well, we did one thing one way and the president who's sitting now did one thing the other way.

01:36:22.420 And actually in both of these things, there's a little bit more balance and we should all just move on. What I find problematic is I think that we look at these kind of like media folks, actors, and they're not what they used to be.

01:36:40.260 And I think that we almost like ask them, like they have some sort of cultural anchoring in shaping how we should think about things.

01:36:48.580 And they used to have that power making.

01:36:50.700 They don't have that power anymore.

01:36:52.120 I think more people care what Jake Paul thinks than what Larry David thinks.

01:36:55.820 You can debate whether that's right or wrong, but that's just the nature of where we are.

01:37:00.080 And so part of it as well is you have a person that's just a little bit out of the center stage now.

01:37:05.560 And so, you know, they kind of step into this thing without thinking about it logically.

01:37:09.420 The logical thought should be there are things that happened in Biden that a lot of people didn't like, and there are going to be things that that President Trump does that other people don't like.

01:37:19.080 And in the end of it, as long as it's fair to some cohort of people that gets seen, that's what's reasonable.

01:37:24.800 And when you're the president of the United States, you have that power. 0.96

01:37:28.440 Yeah, I think, Larry David, I don't I don't see a ton of Republicans like after we had trainees on the White House lawn showing their fake boobs saying. 0.96

01:37:37.280 Well, I mean, sorry, sorry. There's nothing Joe Biden could do to make me feel un-American. I feel disgusted with his choices. 0.76

01:37:45.080 No, you're right. I mean, let me be very specific. There is somebody in nipple tassels on the White House lawn. And you have to compare that and say, what's worse, UFC or somebody exposing their bare breasts in public? And I think for me personally, the latter is much more offensive. And so without having the wherewithal to actually remember these things and just, you know, just let the TDS guide your decision, I think is very simple and reductive and I think misses the mark.

01:38:12.000 yeah i don't like ufc because i don't like violence so i don't like boxing i don't like

01:38:17.500 any violent i can't i can't handle it it's not a class thing like it clearly is for no i like box

01:38:23.020 i'm the same as you i like boxing um i get very nervous at ufc but when i see blood i get very

01:38:29.400 squeamish even when i get my blood drawn i get squeamish so i'm like not built for ufc it's

01:38:35.720 been amazing on the child your children's birth i can't even talk about i mean i can't i can't talk

01:38:42.180 about just five times okay five times i just i couldn't i couldn't deal with it it's better you

01:38:49.720 know like there's something to be said for the with the cigars in the waiting room role that

01:38:53.800 men traditionally played for for some guys i get it uh let's end it on a happy note and that brings

01:38:58.920 me to josh josh is from england and he has the following message to americas to americans in the

01:39:05.020 wake of all the World Cup celebrations that have brought so many from the UK over here.

01:39:09.000 Take a listen to Sat 17.

01:39:10.660 America, you deserve and are owed an apology.

01:39:14.260 And I'm going to say sorry on behalf of all the countries outside America and their media

01:39:19.220 and the narrative they paint about America.

01:39:22.020 Hundreds and thousands of fans for the World Cup are now seeing America through their own

01:39:27.000 eyes, realizing the narrative they've been fed is false.

01:39:30.600 And they're now realizing America is not the place that they thought it was.

01:39:34.820 And I am sorry the media in these countries outside of America paints you the way they do.

01:39:41.360 America is rich in culture, scenery, the people are amazing.

01:39:46.180 And the media in the countries outside of America paint this weird narrative that it's a place that you shouldn't go.

01:39:52.200 But now the tides are changing. There is a shift that is happening.

01:39:56.460 I'm sorry you've been painted in this light for so long, and I'm so happy America is finally receiving the flowers that it deserves.

01:40:06.360 You know what, Schmuth, hearing him and others like him, yes, it's reminding me, I think that the World Cup has done more to renew American patriotism than the 250th and the celebrations that have happened so far around.

01:40:19.680 I think people are loving the reaction from all these, you know, foreigners, our friends from across the pond coming and watching them discover America for the first time.

01:40:29.260 It's some of the best videos, Megan.

01:40:30.780 I don't know if you've seen it, but it's like you see like people from Korea or Japan who come to the U.S. for the first time, you know, very little English using a translation app.

01:40:40.380 But, you know, sampling American food or I saw this one great clip of these Norwegian fans going to Bass Pro Shops for the first time and just totally being out of control.

01:40:50.740 Germans tasting ranch sauce at like Hobie's.

01:40:55.140 I mean, they all love ranch dressing.

01:40:56.800 It's amazing.

01:40:58.260 Look, let's be clear.

01:40:59.840 This is the single best country in the world.

01:41:04.520 And he is right.

01:41:06.180 Josh is right.

01:41:06.740 We have had people push a narrative that has mischaracterized America abroad, but we've also had, you know, a media inside the United States that has pushed an error that has tried to mischaracterize it from within.

01:41:19.220 And whenever you can have a moment where people can let their guard down and see what it's truly like, what you realize is this is the most special and incredible place on earth.

01:41:31.000 and it has a set of rules that were made by men 250 years ago that were divinely inspired and i

01:41:39.820 think we should be so thankful for that and you know i owe everything to this country and i'm just

01:41:45.500 so proud to be an american and so it makes me very happy to see that and uh you know uh i hope more

01:41:53.260 people come away with that and i also hope that people in america start to think for themselves

01:41:58.220 please think for yourself it's not nearly as bad as everybody says it is it's pretty freaking

01:42:03.720 awesome yeah that's right it's it is pretty freaking awesome and i'm looking forward to

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The Megyn Kelly Show - June 24, 2026

Tucker Carlson Says He’s Leaving GOP, Far-Left Mamdani-Backed Candidates Win NYC Primaries, How World Cup Renewed American Patriotism, w⧸ Halperin & Palihapitya ｜ Ep. 1346

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