Tucker Carlson - The FULL Interview ｜ RFK Endorses Trump, Creepy Walz Vibes, and More
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On this weekend's episode of The Megyn Kelly Show, host Meghan Kelly sits down with her good friend Tucker Carlson to discuss Bobby Kennedy Jr.'s possible decision to endorse Donald Trump, the possibility of Bobby and Trump joining forces, and whether Tim Walls is creepy.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to this weekend special episode. Today we are bringing
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you my full conversation this week with my pal Tucker Carlson. We got into some very important
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topics like RFKJ and Trump, potentially joining forces, and whether Tucker played a role in
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making that connection and whether Tim Walls is creepy. And I want to tell you that I am joining
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Tucker on his live tour next month. I would love to see you all. He and I are going to travel to
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Kansas City, Missouri together on September 12th at the T-Mobile Center, Kansas City, Missouri. Okay.
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Buy tickets now at tuckercarlson.com slash events and see yours truly and Tucker there on September
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12th. Enjoy. And I'll see you Monday. The reports are that you and Don Jr. and maybe one other
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have been working behind the scenes to convince RFKJ that there's no path forward for him in this
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particular race, which is, I mean, whether you tried that or not, that's appears to be the case
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and that he should drop out and endorse Donald Trump and potentially get a role in his administration.
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Um, he has announced that he's going to be making an announcement on Friday. And when asked about
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this, he just refused to confirm or deny for now, but did say, I'm not going to say anything about
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Donald Trump when asked to condemn some of Trump's comments on climate change. Uh, so what would you
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like to say about these reports? Well, I mean, I, I definitely didn't broker anything. Um, that's not my
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role in life. I'm not good at that. Um, I would never, I just wouldn't do it, you know, go to
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Bobby and say, you know, you can get this and go to Trump and say, you should do that. I mean,
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you know, my only role just in general is knowing a lot of people, liking a lot of people. Um, I always
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try to connect people just in general, you know, you should meet so-and-so, you know, so that, but I am not
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a political actor, not good at it. I don't really understand politics. Most of my political
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predictions are wrong. You know, I stay at 35,000 feet, which is the only place I'm comfortable or
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competent. And the second, you know, I've been lured into saying, Oh, this race and this state is going
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to go that way. I get humiliated because I don't really understand it for it. Same. Um, so no, I
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didn't, I didn't broker anything. I, I know them both well, and I really like Bobby Kennedy. I always
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have, I don't agree with him on everything obviously, but I like his spirit, which is, um,
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inquisitive, pretty honest. I would say actually for a politician, very honest, brave. Um, I have a
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lot of the, I share a lot of the concerns he's articulated about health and the environment. I really
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care about the environment. I think climate change is not human caused. I disagree on that. I think
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that's ridiculous actually. Um, climate is changing, but we're not doing it. Uh, but I'm
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very concerned about the quality of the air and water and the soil. Very concerned. I think we all
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should be in the more, you know, the more you are concerned. I'm really concerned by some of the drugs
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people put in their bodies as a 22 year long sober person. Um, I really love sobriety. I, you know,
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went to an AA meeting recently with Bobby Kennedy had the best time ever. So we have a lot and I,
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and I'm a sportsman. I love hunting and fishing and so does he. So we have just a lot in common
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personally. And, um, that's the basis of our friendship and of my affection, uh, for him on
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the political question. I've already said, I have no idea what I'm talking about. And I really don't,
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but this is my one insight, which I do think is true is I have no idea if he does endorse Trump
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and these are two big personalities. So I'll kind of believe it when I see it, but if that happens
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tomorrow, um, I think it'll help Trump probably. I don't really know, but I know for a fact that
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Bobby running third party would hurt Trump because there is a big overlap in their voters and it's
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not on all the issues. They disagree on a bunch of issues, but anyone who thinks the current system
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is corrupt, um, is going to, is not voting for Kamala Harris because she is of course the physical
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embodiment of corruption. And so you're voting for Bobby Kennedy or Donald Trump. That's the bottom
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line. And so I think if he stayed in the race, it would definitely hurt Trump. That's my analysis
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for what it's worth. There's a New York post report out today that isn't, well, no, two days ago,
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it hit, uh, talking about where, how Bobby Kennedy is affecting this race between Harris and Trump.
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And it's very telling. Um, they're looking at some, some recent polling and saying that take
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Arizona, Trump leads, uh, Kamala Harris by one point in Arizona and Bobby Kennedy, they're taking
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5%. So, I mean, important enough that he could definitely sway that race in Michigan, um, showing
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Trump it's basically tied 45 to 44 Kennedy drying 4% of the vote, Nevada, another nail biter saying
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Trump leads Harris. They are 43 to 42, 6% behind Bobby Kennedy, North Carolina, um, 47 to 44 in Trump's
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favor, 2% backing RFKJ. So it is really interesting how tight it is. Pennsylvania, Harris reads, leads
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Trump by two points and Wisconsin, she leads him by four points. Kennedy's at 4% and 3% respectively.
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So this guy, he may not have the votes that he had maybe, you know, six months ago when
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he was pulling more like 11%, but he truly could swing this election. If the people getting
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ready to vote for him did what he asked them to do and voted for, let's say in this case,
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Trump. Yes, I think that's right. And there's, there's a whole kind of demographic in this
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country, um, that's meaningful in numbers and it's non-liberal nature, people kind of
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old fashioned hippie types. They're not all into neoliberalism. Actually, a lot of them
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still believe in civil liberties. They appreciate nature. They don't want to see it despoiled
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with chemicals. They don't think Monsanto is like a great company necessarily. Um, and they
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look at Kamala Harris and, and who's not even a real person. I mean, it could be anybody,
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but they look at that machine financed by the banks and pharma. And they think to themselves,
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you know, I don't have anything in common with these people. And they maybe look at Trump and
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they're like, who's that guy? He's weird. I don't like him either. But there are a lot of like
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right-wing hippies actually, particularly in rural areas. They have guns. They, they live in rural
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areas. Of course they use guns. And so I think those are all potential Trump voters. There are some
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style problems that turn them off to Trump, but they're definitely not on the side of like
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black rock at all. And Bobby Kennedy, and I live near a lot of people like this. I share a lot of
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their views. So I I'm very familiar with this demographic. And I think that Bobby Kennedy is a,
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is a pretty good way in to voting for Trump for them. He has credibility with them and for good
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reason. I share your concerns about what's happening with the environment and the toxins and the food
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supply and all that. And I, it's funny, Tucker, you'll laugh because I, I, so I recently decided
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that I was going to stop getting pedicure. Like I get a pedicure, but I don't get toe polish.
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I don't get toenail polish. And I'm like that, you know, I don't want the top. Would you look at me?
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Would you look at the number of toxins I have on me right now in my hair? I'm like, not to mention
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the Botox, like what a Charlotte and I am. But you know, it's like around the edges, Tucker,
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we do what we can to try to minimize the toxins coming in. That's where I draw the line.
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No, I mean, if I'm being honest, I come from a family like that. Like what's in your toothpaste,
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what's in your deodorant. I mean, I, you know, I'm 55. I grew up in California in the seventies
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where people were really concerned about this stuff. A lot of them were kind of dippy liberal
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people that we made fun of. And, you know, I still make fun of them. On the other hand,
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those concerns turned out to be absolutely real. And if you look at the rates of chronic
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illness in this country, I mean, it's, it's destroying the country. And I got a conversation
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last week with a woman called Casey means who's a physician. She's Callie's sister, right?
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Callie's sister. Callie's a friend of mine and a wonderful guy, a wonderful guy, but his sister
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is one of the most powerful people I've ever interviewed in my, you know, in 33 years of
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interviewing people. I've met very few people like Casey means. First of all, she has the
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credibility, the authority. She's top of her class at Stanford medical school. She's a surgeon. Okay.
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Which is the highest level of medicine, obviously. And she left it all because she thought the system
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was so corrupt. But the compelling part of the interview for me was just the litany of health
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statistics that she threw out there and the country's actually dying. And I sense that I've read
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about it before, but I've never seen those stats collected in one place in the way that she did.
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And it's an emergency. It's an emergency that I would say supersedes all other emergency sperm
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counts are down to zero in a lot of men. Like you can't continue the species. So what is causing this
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is the obvious question. Autism rates out of control to a much higher level than I ever realized.
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And so for all the people who said, you know, how dare you speculate about what causes autism?
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Okay. I don't know what causes autism. I will freely concede that, but something is causing
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autism. Actually, it's not just that the measurements have changed. We're counting
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autism cases. Like, no, no, the absolute number of autism cases is to an emergency level. And that's
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true for a lot of, of, of chronic conditions and nobody cares. And so I'm just saying as a political
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matter, there are a lot of people who care. And we put that interview up the other day. It's kind
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of an obscure topic. It has nothing to do with the election or the Ukraine war inflation. And the
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response that we got suggested to me that a lot of people sense this is going on and they want
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someone to talk about it. And I hope if Bobby endorses Trump, and of course I hope he does,
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that he'll spend the next couple of months talking about this stuff in public because
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somebody needs to. This is one of his favorites. I mean, for sure, this is,
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he's come on the show many times and I've argued with him about why he doesn't pick up my favorite
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culture issues. And he tells me what his favorite issues are. And that's, that's important too.
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You know what I mean? What he's pushing? He's right. Nobody else is really talking about. And so
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it would be fascinating to see him come into a Trump administration with his unique views and
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experience. I mean, he made his bones as an environmental lawyer and he's a true expert on
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that stuff. And I think Trump would listen to him on the things that he really is an expert on. And
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maybe we would have a different approach on some of this stuff. So we'll know soon. I think it would
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be a great move for him. Um, well, we got 24 hours or so to, to figure it out. Okay. I got to talk to
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you. So much has happened since you last came on. Um, JD Vance became Trump's running mate. I also heard
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you had something to do with that. Uh, that is brilliant. And I totally support that move. I know
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some Republicans are still, they have their noses in a joint, but hopefully they're seeing what a great
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heck he was now when he's so deftly handling the media. He's everywhere. Last night he was in five
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different networks, you know? And meanwhile, Tim Walsh will only go in front of the golden microphone
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with her, as you say, not even real people. So what do you make though of the media pile on
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against JD started with an interview he gave to you a couple of years ago or with a childish cat lady,
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right? Comment. Nobody wanted to report the context, you know, a snarky remark, but it, you know,
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we went back and played the whole context of the original remarks that he'd made,
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what you guys were discussing. Nobody does that though. So now they've demonized this guy
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as a woman hater, even though all his major role models and mentors and the people,
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the loving people in his life have been women. Um, and as you say, he hates IVF,
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even though he's on record as saying he's pro IVF, he's against the bay. Like all the stuff that
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they've been doing to him has been particularly nasty. So what do you think of it?
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Well, I mean the childless cat lady thing I felt bad about, I'm pretty sure I haven't went looked
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at the tape again, but I'm pretty sure I egged him on to say something like that. And I think
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it's a mean thing. I think I'm responsible for that. And, um, I have a tendency to get way over
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my skis and get mean. Um, and I regret that, you know, it's very ugly. And I'm, I'm, I'm ashamed of
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the many, many times when I've said nasty things like that. I feel sorry for childless people,
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whether they have cats or not. And I mean it as someone who has four children who are the root
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of my happiness, you know, I, I really feel compassion and the whole point. Well, the
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intended point, I may have distorted it in the, you know, getting cable newsy and being nasty to
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people. But the whole point is we should be encouraging people to experience the things
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that make them the happiest. And I think any parent will tell you as hard as it is having kids,
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like that is one of the main sources of happiness for people from the beginning of time. And if we're
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discouraging that or making it impossible for people to have kids, that's on us, that's a major
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sin and we should try to make it better. Um, so I just want to say that, that I felt bad about that
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and many other nasty things I've said over the years where I diminish people or make fun of their
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appearance. That's, that's totally wrong. So I'm sorry, but I would say of JD Vance, it was hilarious
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because he's so weird. He hates when he's like one of the only politicians I know. And I know a lot
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of politicians who has a happy, normal marriage. He actually cares what his wife thinks. She's his
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partner, like actual partner. She's very smart and a really nice person, a cool person. And he isn't
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like a normal, happy marriage. If you brought, I've actually been around it in private. If you brought a
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camera into JD Vance's household, you would see like a husband who loves his wife, a father who loves his
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children. Like you really would. You can't say that for almost any other politician on either side.
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And I don't want to be mean. I've already said, I don't want to be mean, but like that,
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that walls guy is a creep. I'm just telling you that as someone who went to boarding school in
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the eighties, like I know exactly who that guy is. And I'm sorry. It's just, I, you know,
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I hope I'm wrong. I don't think I am. And honestly, Tucker, why, why is he so obsessed with
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transing children, making it possible for them to separate from their parents and have their body parts
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chopped off? Hello? Yeah. Well, I lived in a boy's dorm in a New England boarding school in the
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1980s with a lot of guys like Tim Walz. Okay. So I, I saw that guy and I'm like, oh, wow. I know
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exactly. You're a creeper as we used to call him for sure. And, you know, I, I guess I probably
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shouldn't, I definitely shouldn't suggest what I'm suggesting without evidence. I don't have evidence
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beyond what I've seen. So I just want to say that I'm probably again, are you mean like a pervert?
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I got it. When you say creep, I just, there's something wrong with that guy. He's a weirdo.
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He's a weirdo. And you can tell watching him and I'm sorry. I just lived long enough that I know that
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your gut level perceptions are rooted in truth. They're not always precisely true. I've gotten
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many things wrong. Like the details are unknown to me, but I look at that guy and I'm like, you're a
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weirdo. And everyone's like, no, he's so normal. No, not normal. Sorry. And so, and there's another
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thing. There's another thing about Tim Walz that hasn't got as much, gotten as much airtime.
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And it's true. He actually did remove, um, they were coming up with the Minnesota human
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rights law and revising it, renewing it. You know, this class is protected. You can't discriminate
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against these people and you can't discriminate against gays and lesbians. And the law had said
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to be clear, pedophiles get no protection under this law. Pedophiles do not fall under the definition
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of a protected class. And they removed that language. They removed that language under Tim
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Walz that the pedophiles. So it made it more ambiguous. Now some of the LGBTQ community said,
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well, we removed that because we don't want to be associated with it. You don't, we don't need to
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say that right after you're talking about gay people, we shouldn't even be in the same breath
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as pedophiles, but it did make it more ambiguous. And some objected saying, why would we take this out
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and make it less clear that we're not trying to protect pedophiles? In any event, it remained out.
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Tim Walz signed that bill. I'm not saying he's a pedophile. I'm just saying you don't hear about
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this stuff from the mainstream media because they're so determined to tell us he's our dad.
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And by the way, what is he doing in a high school setting with children talking to them about their
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sex lives? Like that's just prima facie wrong. It's totally wrong. And a healthy society would
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not tolerate that. You were not allowed to have teachers talking to kids about their sex lives.
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And I don't care if you're saying, oh, they're bullied. Okay. You know, but you're still adults are not
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allowed to get involved in the sex lives of children unless they're the parents of those
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children, period. He started the LGBTQ alliance. I just disagree with the entire thing. The gay
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straight alliance, like, are you an anti-gay bigot? Well, of course I'm not an anti-gay bigot.
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I am just against across the board, creepy teachers talking to other people's children about those
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children's sex lives. That is totally wrong. And that is, I think that's criminally adjacent.
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Actually, I think it's a crime. And I don't think any normal father would put up with that. And you
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sort of wonder like, where are the dads here saying, you talk to my child about his sex life
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one more time. I'm going to, you know, I'm going to hurt you. That's the healthy response. Like,
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no. And I've just been around a lot. And again, I went to boarding school. I've seen this stuff.
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That is totally wrong. And who would do that? If somebody said to me, you know, there are kids in
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our school being bullied because of their sex lives. I'd be like, well, I'm totally opposed to
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bullying and cruelty and meanness. Yes. But no, I'm not going to sit around and talk to children
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about who they have sex with because that's creepy. It's totally creepy. And no one can say
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Even in a private setting, it's difficult enough when you have a parental obligation at some point
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to discuss it. In the school setting, when it's somebody else's kid? I mean, such a disgusting
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I totally agree. And the guy's like, oh no, I'm proud of that. No, you should be ashamed.
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It should not be allowed. It is the standard now in all schools where the school therapist
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or the nurse or some creepy football coach like Tim Walls gets to talk to your kids about
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their sex lives. And I would just say, no, they're not doing that in Romania. They're
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not doing that in China. And those are not countries I want to live in, but they're countries
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that are rooted in age-old common sense, which is that crosses a line. That line ends with,
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like, if you allow that line to be crossed, adults will have sex with kids. Okay? That
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is true. I'm not accusing Tim Walls of doing that. I have seen that personally. Again,
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being in a boarding school where that happened, you know, I'm just going to mentor you and
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talk to you about your sexual identity struggles and end up sleeping with a kid. Like, that's
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why we don't allow that. That's why I would never allow-
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No, there's no question. There's no question that inappropriate sexual discussions with
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And I realize they say, oh, they're bullied and we want to talk to them. It's not for you
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to do. It's not for you to do. And certainly not at the younger ages. That's for the parents
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to do, if at all. I mean, like, that's up to a mom and dad to discuss when and in what
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Exactly. I, this gets me to something that happened when, when Obama was speaking the
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other night. Now, the reason I think, I think this is interesting is because Obama is such
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an elitist, like just prick. He doesn't realize how off putting this kind of comment is, but
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I was like, I love that summary though. That's so good.
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It just is. And so I was jarred by the comment. Then you showed up wearing a flannel shirt and
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these two things made me pull this soundbite and it ties in beautifully to the discussion
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Tim is the kind of person who should be in politics. Born in a small town, served his country,
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taught kids, coached football, took care of his neighbors. He knows who he is and he knows
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what's important. You can tell those, those flannel shirts he wears don't come from some
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political consultant. They come from his closet and they have been through some stuff.
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It's like the, the inability to wrestle with who Tim Walz is when he's done and policy one and
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number two, like, Oh, look at the flannel. I mean, he's, he's middle America. All right. Look at him
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in his flannel. This says Obama in his $4,000 suit. It's also silly and superficial. So Obama
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likes his clothes. Okay. What? You know what I mean? This is a guy who let the biggest city in his
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state burn, whose wife said she enjoyed it. And she breathed deeply of the burning rubber,
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kept the windows open to do it. These are, these are sick people. But more than that, like if that's
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true, if the democratic party is the party of working people, then how come none of the working
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people are voting for Democrats anymore? You know what I mean? They have to vote for Republicans.
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And by the way, I would, from my perspective, they shouldn't have to vote for Republican Republican
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party. You know, Mitch McConnell could care less about the opioid crisis. Obviously I don't think
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the Republicans represent them very well, but the Democrats have such contempt for them, such hatred
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for them that rural people have had no choice, but to vote Republican. I mean, the democratic party has
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gone out of its way to hurt them. Actually, the white working class, that's just a fact put them at
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the, at the bottom rung of medicine distribution during COVID discriminated against them on the basis
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of, of like healthcare because of their skin color and, and their socioeconomic status. Like they are
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truly hated by the democratic party. And I, you know, I don't know Obama well enough to know what he
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actually thinks of them, but their policies have really hurt these people. And again, I live in an
00:22:25.280
area that was Democrat because there was milts and these are not people who wanted to vote Republican.
00:22:30.660
They didn't grow up voting Republican. Their grandparents didn't vote Republican. They're
00:22:34.180
union members. And now they're mostly voting Republican because they have no choice. So like some
00:22:40.040
lecture about Tim Walz's wardrobe that, you know, Obama thinks is very snazzy or it's like so stupid
00:22:45.520
actually. Well, maybe he wants them to vote for you too. Cause you got, you got the checkered flannel.
00:22:49.880
It looks flannel. I mean, I grew up in La Jolla, California in an affluent family. I never pretend
00:22:55.980
I'm the voice of the working class. I'm the opposite of the, I spent my whole life in DC,
00:23:00.360
you know, living in Northwest DC in an expensive house and having, you know, lunch with senators every
00:23:05.920
day. So, I mean, I'm hardly a representative of America's, you know, dying working class at all. I just,
00:23:13.320
I like the people, I like the country and I'm, I'm just trying to be honest about what I see,
00:23:19.400
but the fraudulence there is so transparent. Like who would fall for that? Actually.
00:23:25.000
Well, now, I mean, they're trying to style him, as I said, into our dad. That was actually,
00:23:31.520
I think a Politico tweet. You're America's dad. I mean, it's like, no, we're good. And they're
00:23:36.880
calling her mom, momala, our dad, like really seriously looking for new parent figures in the
00:23:44.760
absence of good ones of their own, I suppose. And I do wonder like, what's wrong with us?
00:23:49.980
Because most of us don't need new parents and aren't looking to some politician to step into
00:23:55.180
the breach. And now today's line in the wake of the Tim wall speeches, um, he is
00:24:01.940
the definition of non-toxic male. He's the not, he's the anti you Tucker. He's the anti Trump,
00:24:09.160
the anti JD Vance. He's, he's like the soft man who still coaches football. I'll give you a
00:24:16.800
Dana bash making this point last night on CNN, but they are doing so in trying to put forward,
00:24:26.000
um, male figures, Tim walls being one of them, uh, Doug Emhoff last night who, um, can speak to
00:24:34.940
men out there who, um, might not be the sort of testosterone laden, you know, uh, gun toting
00:24:43.420
kind of guy who wants to listen to Hulk Hogan and the kind of, um, players that came out at the RNC
00:24:51.440
or might want to listen to that, but also maybe in addition, understand that it's okay in 2024 to
00:24:59.140
be a man comfortable in his own skin. What we saw at the Trump convention, um, which was, as you
00:25:05.640
know, somebody, I forget, I forget exactly who said it testosterone, uh, with kid rock and the
00:25:10.580
ultimate fighting champion guy and, uh, Hulk Hogan, uh, Dana White. Yeah. I'll remember Hulk Hogan
00:25:16.880
actually ripped off his shirt and he had another shirt underneath, which I think is not exactly what
00:25:20.920
the rip off the shirt thing is supposed to be, but in any case, I digress.
00:25:26.200
What do you make of it? Well, it's just weird to me as someone who spent, you know, almost a decade
00:25:30.820
at CNN, that that's their aid team. Now it's like sad, you know, really those Dana bash is like doing
00:25:38.160
political analysis. It's like, if you live long enough, you, you see how absurd things really are
00:25:43.380
to someone who knows Dana bash. Um, but leaving that aside, I think they're absolutely right. If you,
00:25:47.840
you know, if you want weak men and the angry women, um, around them, like that's the party for you for
00:25:53.780
sure. You know, men who hate themselves, but I don't think that most people want that actually.
00:25:59.300
And they've spent 50 years trying to convince us that masculinity is dangerous. And so we live in a
00:26:04.680
world with very little of it and the society has become much more violent and much more unhappy and
00:26:09.780
much more chaotic. Actually masculinity, like femininity is a product of nature. It's a good thing. We should
00:26:15.740
never be against nature, the natural order. And of course there are horrible men who are violent and
00:26:22.080
you know, all violence basically comes from men. That's bad, but that doesn't mean masculinity is
00:26:26.400
bad. And if you want to know what happens without it, look around at modern America. It's a miserable
00:26:30.700
country with angry people in it. And if you want more of that, you know, vote for Tim Walls who I just
00:26:37.100
want to say, once again, I'm totally convinced is creepy. I think I'll be vindicated. I hope I'm wrong,
00:26:42.040
but I think he is, but, but whatever, he's clearly weak. And Doug Emhoff, his daughter comes out on
00:26:48.920
stage. I, again, I'm trying not to be mean, but like I look at Doug Emhoff's daughter, miserable,
00:26:54.240
covered in tattoos. And I'm like, anyone who was a child like that should not have political power
00:26:57.680
because you've, you've, you've messed up enough. Do you know what I mean? You, I mean, like, I do think
00:27:04.280
that your personal life really matters. If you don't have a spouse who loves and respects you, if you don't
00:27:08.340
have children who love and respect you, I feel sorry for you, but you definitely can't have
00:27:12.860
control over my life because you have not done a good job. So he's the one, I mean, yes, there's a
00:27:18.520
million articles to calling Tim Walls, our new dad and saying, he's the kind of guy who would fix your
00:27:22.180
flat tire for you. But political, the most recent one was about Doug Emhoff. That's who it was. And
00:27:26.880
they called him meet the headline was meet Doug Emhoff dad in chief, this guy who cheated on his first
00:27:34.140
wife by banging the nanny, impregnating her. And there was even either an abortion or an abandoned
00:27:40.260
child. And they actually want us to swallow him as our dad. You know what? My dad was a good dad who
00:27:46.920
never cheated on my mom, who never impregnated another person who never had an abortion with an
00:27:52.380
affair. This is sick. Why are they looking at these men as like their new daddy figures?
00:27:58.900
Well, because that's the whole program of the party. I mean, the party is the most important thing.
00:28:03.100
That's really the story of Kamala Harris. I don't spend a lot of time beating up on Kamala Harris
00:28:06.740
because I don't think she's a significant figure. She just happened to be there.
00:28:10.940
What we've seen over the past six weeks is what actually matters in the Democratic Party,
00:28:15.220
which is not individuals, their charisma, their ideas, their program. It's the party itself.
00:28:20.860
The party itself is more important than any single person in the party. The individual doesn't matter.
00:28:25.780
It's the collective. And that collective, in their view, should replace
00:28:31.180
everything else and should be the subject of your first and primary loyalty. In other words,
00:28:38.340
you know, your parents violate COVID law, your brother violates COVID law, you rat them out to
00:28:43.380
the party, to the state, because the party is the most important thing. So of course,
00:28:48.240
they think that whoever runs the party should be mom or dad, because the party is more important
00:28:54.080
than the church, than the family, to your friendships, to your work. I mean, it's got to be
00:29:01.920
the center of your loyalty. And this is just the totalitarian worldview. It's always been the same.
00:29:07.740
It was the same in the Soviet era. It was the same during the revolutionary era in France and Spain.
00:29:12.980
In every country that's ever had a revolution, whether it's communist or whatever they call it,
00:29:17.080
the names don't mean anything, because it's the same idea. It's the party replaces God and family
00:29:23.800
and personal loyalty. And so, yeah, of course, it could be, you know, it doesn't matter who's the head
00:29:29.160
of the party. That person should be dead. And that's why the Democratic Party spends so much time
00:29:34.140
trying to destroy all of their pre-existing loyalties, primarily the family and the church.
00:29:38.820
That's why they've got a vasectomy lab at the DNC, because, of course, having kids
00:29:45.720
makes you realize, like, my kids are more important than anything else, obviously.
00:29:50.920
And women parading down the street as mifepristone abortion pills, literally in costumes that are the
00:29:58.920
abortion pill. Yeah, I mean, you really realize it's actually been an amazing and instructive
00:30:05.800
experience to watch this and just to watch the last couple of years, because they've admitted
00:30:10.140
what's really important. Like, I always thought they were for abortion because, I don't know,
00:30:15.100
they felt sorry for the 14-year-old who got raped, which I do too, of course, so I get that.
00:30:19.880
But it had nothing to do with that. They like abortion for its own sake, because it prevents
00:30:23.980
childbirth, because it prevents new life from coming into the world. They're for it on its own terms.
00:30:30.580
It's a positive good to them. Now, you can be as pro-choice as you want and still think,
00:30:36.040
that's the most grotesque attitude possible. Like, they're just for human sacrifice.
00:30:40.020
They're for killing for its own sake. They're opposed to children. Like, what's the other
00:30:43.620
explanation? Honestly, there are some. They're not all that way, but there are some. No, no,
00:30:47.480
they're not. And that's why they run around with, I'm proud of my abortion. I love my abortion.
00:30:52.480
And they're touting the fact that they've killed 25 in utero babies just this week alone. They're
00:30:57.800
proud of it. 25 abortions have taken place outside of the DNC. As they're talking to us about joy,
00:31:04.320
they're literally killing babies outside and then bragging about it.
00:31:08.000
Well, so how is that not a religion? I mean, that's a religion. That's not a political movement.
00:31:12.080
Obviously, it's nothing to do with politics, actually. That's a religion. They're worshiping
00:31:15.460
something. They're worshiping the death of human beings. So that's the oldest religion there is,
00:31:20.360
actually, is the religion that tells you by killing, you get joy. I mean, this is like age old,
00:31:29.300
the beginning of recorded history. Every civilization has practiced human sacrifice,
00:31:34.120
every single one, and on every continent. And you can ask yourself, like, why? What is that exactly?
00:31:40.540
Which is a whole nother conversation. But that's just factually true. And that's what we're seeing
00:31:43.700
here. This is not political. It's religious. Why do you think that in the past week, when the
00:31:52.740
Democrats have controlled the airwaves, and their ratings have been very good for this Democratic
00:31:56.920
National Convention, the betting odds on who's going to win this election have swung 10 points
00:32:04.440
to Donald Trump's favor. Let me give you the rundown. June 28th, post the disastrous debate for
00:32:11.440
Biden, they showed Trump up 33 points over Joe Biden. This is the betting odds. June 15th,
00:32:16.840
after the attempted assassination, Trump up 48 points over Joe Biden. July 22nd, the day it became
00:32:24.400
obvious Harris was going to be subbed in. Trump up 26. So he's starting to fall. August 16th,
00:32:30.040
which was last Friday, Harris up 8.6, which had been a huge swing in her favor, reflecting what
00:32:38.340
happened in the media and the coronation and her not speaking to anybody. And then in the past week,
00:32:44.180
Trump is now up to a 10 point swing in his favor as she has dominated the airwaves and all the
00:32:52.220
Democratic all-stars, Tucker, Michelle, Barack, Oprah, Tim Walls, Nancy. And the numbers are going
00:33:00.760
like this, at least on the betting odds. You know, it's hard to understand the collective wisdom of
00:33:07.320
markets. I often don't understand it. I can only guess. I think those are amazing numbers, though.
00:33:12.740
Thank you for reading those. But my sense is that people know this is as good as it's going to get
00:33:19.780
for the Democratic Party. I mean, they literally have control of the airwaves for a full week in a
00:33:25.840
stage managed production, a propaganda show, which is what all conventions are. And it's probably not
00:33:31.320
going to get better than what it is right now. Like what what else can they do? Like have more abortions
00:33:38.040
between now and November? Like, you know what I mean? Like what else is there? There there isn't
00:33:43.460
actually a program that uplifts or helps people. I do think there's the sense that the economy is
00:33:49.020
in actual peril, that we're just kind of holding it together with masking tape until the inevitable
00:33:54.720
collapse. And what's their answer for that? You know what I mean? Like capital, higher capital gains
00:34:01.840
tax or unrealized gains tax? Like they don't have an answer, actually. They're just putting pressure on
00:34:07.940
Powell. I mean, like our entire economic program in the United States seems to be manipulating the
00:34:14.240
Federal Reserve on interest rates. Like that's it. There's no other answer. And that's obviously
00:34:18.240
an inadequate answer. So I mean, that would be my guess that people looking at the fundamentals know
00:34:24.720
that they're out of tricks, you know, and maybe abortions in the parking lot won't be enough in the
00:34:30.640
end. Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean, maybe they're starting to feel the economic pain that's hitting the news
00:34:35.220
day by day. You saw the report yesterday that we had to revise the jobs report downward almost a
00:34:41.140
million eight hundred and eighteen thousand. They had overstated new jobs created. This is all puffery.
00:34:46.680
And now the truth is coming out. And then the Commerce Department head goes on with ABC and she gets
00:34:55.120
asked about this downward revision by the Department of Labor. They played her a soundbite of Trump saying
00:35:01.480
there'd been a downward revision of eight hundred thousand plus. And they asked her, you know,
00:35:06.940
how about it, lady? And listen, listen to Gina Raimondo. I'm curious as to your thoughts on today,
00:35:14.720
the Bureau of Labor saying that more than eight hundred thousand fewer jobs were actually created
00:35:19.260
than initially reported. And we have a soundbite here just to play. We can listen to it together
00:35:23.480
because Donald Trump is already addressing this on a campaign trail. Let's take a listen to that one
00:35:27.800
together. The administration padded the numbers with an extra, listen to this one, 818,000 jobs
00:35:38.080
that don't exist. So they said they existed and they never did exist. They built them up so that
00:35:46.220
they could say what a wonderful job they're doing. So when you hear that, do you potentially think that
00:35:52.460
this new numbers could be a liability for this campaign? No. When I hear that, first of all,
00:35:56.920
I don't believe it because I've never heard Donald Trump say anything truthful. It is though from
00:36:01.580
the Bureau of Labor. I don't, I'm not familiar with that. She's familiar. Two additional points.
00:36:09.940
She's been reportedly considered for treasury secretary in the Kamala Harris administration.
00:36:16.200
It's just treasury. This woman who's never heard of the Bureau of Labor report. And that story was
00:36:21.580
ignored by all of the big three media last night on their evening news, except ABC gave it 10 seconds.
00:36:29.820
It's just crazy to me that Gina Raimondo was, was the governor of Rhode Island, the state I used to
00:36:34.200
live in, I'm pretty familiar with it, that she was rewarded with a cabinet seat after what she did in
00:36:39.440
Rhode Island. Like there's no connection between achievement and advancement anymore. Like the
00:36:44.740
meritocracy really is dead in the United States, which is the core problem. Well, exactly. But
00:36:49.780
Gina Raimondo was a governor. Like you can, you know, she did not help Rhode Island at all. And I
00:36:54.640
think she's smart and she was famously moderate and all this stuff. And like, she was pretty promising
00:36:59.100
as a, as a governor. I thought she Democrat, I didn't vote for her or anything, but I, you know,
00:37:03.280
she could have made that state much better and she didn't, it got worse. So how the hell did she
00:37:07.800
get in Biden's cabinet? Right. First thing, second thing, you know, it's not about Trump. Notice she
00:37:13.260
just like, Oh, he's a liar. Okay. Um, whatever, but you're lying about basic economic stats. And that
00:37:22.620
is really the problem. That's the crucial problem. If you can't even trust the numbers coming out of
00:37:26.840
the government, if everything is a lie from how Trump almost got assassinated to how Kamala Harris got
00:37:33.560
the nomination to Joe Biden's health, to, to basic numbers on employment or the CPI or whatever,
00:37:40.120
if all the numbers are cooked, if everything is political, then you just don't have a functional
00:37:45.080
society actually at that point. Like, I think we're really tampering with the formula here. Like the
00:37:50.820
secret service cannot be a political instrument. Neither can the FBI or DOJ. No, you can't lie about
00:37:56.540
every fundamental number. Something as simple as how many people have jobs. You can't do that or else
00:38:02.520
the whole thing will fall apart, you know, 250 years of effort to build the society and you could
00:38:08.260
lose it if you do stuff like that. And they are, and everyone kind of knows it. It's freaking me out
00:38:13.820
watching this. You mentioned, um, my FBI, one of the things, of course, that going back to our earlier
00:38:20.480
discussion, RFKJ has been railing about is the, you know, intelligence community and how corrupt he
00:38:25.680
thinks they are. Don jr. Was on with Glenn Beck yesterday and said, he loves the idea of RFKJ.
00:38:31.800
Like as head of CIA or doing something to take apart these organizations and start rebuilding
00:38:38.120
them. What do you make of that idea? Like if you, if you Tucker Carlson could wave a magic wand and
00:38:43.120
say, this is what I would use RFKJ for, what would it be? Uh, well, I'd give him declassification power
00:38:48.840
immediately. I, you know, I don't even know if that's legal, uh, under federal law, but I would,
00:38:53.380
I would try to get. Oh, I, I would look, I think one of the biggest, I mean, I think one of the
00:38:59.840
reasons we have such a corrupt society at this point is because secrecy makes it possible.
00:39:05.540
You know, secrecy is that we don't, we have no privacy. It's so interesting. We have no privacy.
00:39:09.720
You keep your iPhone in your bedroom and someone can listen to you, you know, talking to your spouse.
00:39:14.540
Okay. No privacy at all, but we have more secrecy than ever. The people in charge have
00:39:20.240
created a system where nothing they do can ever be evaluated because you're not allowed to know what
00:39:24.720
they're doing in your name, with your money over a billion classified federal documents.
00:39:29.760
That means by definition, it's a corrupt system. So I do think going forward, if we're going to
00:39:35.040
save the country, fix the system, have a government that we can believe in, be proud of sort of anyway,
00:39:40.200
you need to declassify a lot beginning with nine 11. Like, I'm sorry, everyone attacks the nine 11
00:39:47.420
conspiracy theories. I have no idea the truth, by the way, I'm not suggesting I do,
00:39:50.500
but I do know that 23 years later, if we have, you know, the bulk of the documents still classified,
00:39:55.980
the question is why it's not to preserve sources and methods. That's not relevant. It's to protect
00:40:01.160
the guilty. Same with the JFK files. Same with the UAP.
00:40:04.980
I was going to say, let's go back further than nine 11.
00:40:06.760
Well, that's exactly right. So like, there's no justification and people like Pompeo who,
00:40:12.140
in my opinion is evil, but you know, we can disagree on that, but Pompeo, it was absolutely part of
00:40:17.540
that. I mean, Pompeo is the reason the JFK files weren't declassified. The reason we still don't
00:40:22.500
really understand a lot about nine 11 that happened in my lifetime. I had three kids on nine 11. This
00:40:27.000
just happened. Like I have a right to know this changed our country. How do I not have a right to
00:40:31.320
know what the truth is? And so if you got someone like Bobby Kennedy in there who, you know, his uncle
00:40:37.780
was definitely murdered with the knowledge of CA. I can say that conclusively. There are questions about
00:40:43.940
how his father was murdered and by whom, you know, he has a personal sort of mission to declassify the
00:40:51.860
stuff. And I would love to see that. I think his life would be in peril if he tried that. I think
00:40:55.860
you'd do it anyway, which speaks to his courage. So yeah, I love the idea of him running CIA or at
00:41:03.080
least having the power to declassify. And last thing I'll say, if Trump gets elected, it's absolutely
00:41:08.980
essential that a tool of permanent Washington doesn't take a job like CIA director. Like you
00:41:15.200
need to have someone who cares about the country more than the federal agency. That's absolutely
00:41:20.380
essential. And the people I see in the running for CIA director, you know, some of whom I like,
00:41:25.340
and I know them all, but you know, they're people who absolutely don't think you have a right to know
00:41:29.840
what your government is doing, who would continue to hide basic facts. Mike Pompeo, when he was CIA
00:41:35.180
director, plotted an assassination of Julian Assange. That's a fact. He plotted the assassination. Now
00:41:42.020
he's a federal appointee. Julian Assange hadn't even been charged with a crime in the United States.
00:41:46.460
You are not allowed to murder people in my name with my money. That's a crime. Of course, he's never
00:41:52.860
going to be indicted for it. He should be today. He never will be. But we didn't even know that.
00:41:57.880
There's so much stuff that we don't know. We have a right to know. This is our government.
00:42:00.640
It does not belong to Mike Pompeo or to Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or anybody. It belongs to all of us.
00:42:07.500
That's what democracy is. And if we allow this to continue, then let's just stop calling it
00:42:14.340
democracy. Let's just call it the autocracy that it demonstrably is. That's, I mean, that's my view.
00:42:19.220
All right. Now, speaking of Trump, I got to ask you about him. They almost killed him since the last
00:42:24.780
time you and I spoke on the air. And, um, you did a wonderful job at the Republican national
00:42:30.620
convention. I said, I said, even before you came on that you were the best one. I love that you
00:42:34.580
spoke extemporaneously without notes from the heart. It's so much better than these scripted
00:42:38.920
speeches, which are just so painful to listen to no matter how compelling the figure is. It's like,
00:42:43.280
just talk to me, talk to me like a human, but most people are incapable of doing it. So hats off.
00:42:47.540
But one of the things you said was that you believe Trump had changed in the wake of that
00:42:52.920
horrible event. And then Trump got out there himself and said, well, here's Trump, uh, shortly
00:43:01.780
thereafter in the SOT 17. It'd be nice. They all say, I think he's changed. I think he's changed since
00:43:09.540
two weeks ago. Something affected him. No, I haven't changed. Maybe I've gotten worse actually,
00:43:15.660
because I get angry at the incompetence that I witnessed every single day, the way millions of
00:43:21.880
people are pouring into our country. What do you make of that? He just cracks me up. I mean,
00:43:32.420
I just should say with the caveat that I I'm charmed by Trump personally, I like Trump. I can't help
00:43:37.000
myself. Um, he just makes me laugh. You know, I, I would just, I was just noting the obvious,
00:43:42.900
um, which is you can't go through something like that without being changed. I've never been shot,
00:43:49.260
but you know, like every person I've been through, every person who makes it to his or her fifties
00:43:54.200
goes through like unexpected events. Well, that was kind of shocking. And at first, you know, you think,
00:43:59.340
well, I'm fine. I'm totally the same person. And then over time you realize, no, that, that really,
00:44:03.180
that changed me. That changed my perceptions of things, my assumptions about things, my reaction
00:44:07.780
to things. I'm thinking thoughts I had never thought before. I mean, it's just, it just kind
00:44:12.480
of inevitable. And, you know, nobody could go through that without being changed. How will he
00:44:17.360
be changed? Um, you know, my sense at the convention, just cause I talked to him, uh, every day when I was
00:44:23.540
there was that he was thinking a lot more about eternal questions, which I think is really important
00:44:29.100
for all of us to be brooding on every day personally. But I think he was thinking about that more. How will
00:44:33.960
it change him long-term? I don't know, but I can just say, again, I've never been shot or anything
00:44:38.620
like that, but every traumatic, unexpected thing that's ever happened to me, things I didn't want
00:44:43.500
to happen, um, including getting fired a bunch, they've all been great. Like it's good for you.
00:44:49.300
It's good for you to have your cage rattled. I think it's been great for me. I can tell you that.
00:44:55.080
Yeah. I mean, I think he's right when it comes to the political fight, right? It's like,
00:44:59.940
how can he be super sweet and nice when they're calling him Hitler? They're calling him a racist
00:45:06.200
every day, a misogynist every day. This is this from the democratic national convention. This is
00:45:10.120
from the nice people, the Michelle Obama. He's a racist, he's a misogynist, but it's really important
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to be respectful. Same person, same speech, right? So I personally don't see how Trump is nice in trying
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to win the presidency. No one is, this is not a situation where niceness wins. And that leads me to
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my last question, which is a lot of Republicans are starting to feel a little blue, maybe less
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blue today than they were a week ago. Cause I think you can feel the bloom coming off the Kamala Rose,
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you know, like she was anointed and she was a second coming. And now it's kind of like, well,
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it's not just the betting odds, but the polls are starting to correct too. And it's a very,
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very tight race. And you heard Michelle Barack, everybody's starting to say that now encouraging
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their base to get out. But for Republicans who are feeling down because they were soaring when he was
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against the declared democratic nominee, the one who was actually voted on, and now things have
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shifted. What say you, how do you, how do you see this thing going from over the next 70 days?
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Well, I think the outcome is unknown. I mean, I think you summed it up really well. I, you know,
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you can't know what is really close or all kinds of other factors that, you know, no one wants to talk
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about, including me, but you know, you've got a totally different population by over 10 million people
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from the one you had in 2020. Um, so that's kind of hanging in the air. Will these non-citizens
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here legally breaking our laws yet fully federally subsidized, will they be able to vote? You know,
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I don't know the answer. I certainly hope not. Um, so I, I don't know. I'm, you know, I'm praying for
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a return, uh, to a country that's defined by justice, fairness, and civil liberties. I definitely
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am praying for that every day, but I, so I don't want to pass the question. I just don't know the
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answer, but I would say it's really important to remember is you're outwardly focused that what
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matters first and foremost is how the people around you are doing. You know, the people you,
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you love that you come into contact with every day, if you're blessed enough to have children
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and a spouse them, but everyone has relatives, everyone has coworkers, everyone has friends
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or people they care about. How are they doing? I do think that's so important. We, we kind of
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externalize a lot of our lives. Like I meet people all the time who are way more pissed about what's
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happening politically on both sides than they are about like a nephew who's got a drug addiction or,
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or whatever, or about a bad marriage that they're in. What matters is how actual people are doing,
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beginning with the people in your orbit. And, um, so I just think in general, it's especially during
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election season. It's really important to remember that. And I see political extremists,
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most of them on the left, not entirely, but mostly who externalized to such an extent that
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they're way more worried about the climate or Donald Trump or Darfur or Palestine than they are about
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actual people. And that is a sin. Like we're required to care about actual people, beginning with the
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ones, put in our path for a reason, like people around you for a reason, actually. And, um, just
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remember that. And so before you fret about politics, try and serve someone next to you,
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not a theoretical person in a faraway place, but the kind of annoying, complicated person you're not
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getting along with right next to you. I got to leave it at that because we're out of time, Tucker.
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So great to see you and more. Oh, you're the best. Truly. Oh, you are, uh, in Kansas city,
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