The Megyn Kelly Show - Tucker's 1⧸6 Footage, Fauci's Lies, and Chris Rock's Special, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson

00:00:00.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.940 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.320 Tucker Carlson releases new footage of January 6th this week and causes an absolute meltdown.

00:00:22.540 I mean, a meltdown.

00:00:24.640 Also, Prince Harry and Meghan Markle decide they don't hate the royal family enough to keep from referring to their daughter as a princess for the first time.

00:00:33.620 Also, little Archie, you'll be very relieved, is now called a prince.

00:00:39.080 Remember how worried she was on Oprah that the racist royal family wasn't going to let him have his proper title.

00:00:46.780 What does she say now? Are they less racist?

00:00:51.020 We'll see. We'll get into it.

00:00:52.360 And yours truly comes face-to-face with Margot Robbie, one of the actresses who starred in the Fox-inspired movie Bombshell.

00:01:01.700 I'll tell you all that happened.

00:01:03.820 There's a lot going on today.

00:01:04.960 Today is the perfect day for the EJs to join us.

00:01:07.360 Emily Jaschinski is culture editor at The Federalist and host of The Federalist Radio Hour.

00:01:11.940 And Eliana Johnson is editor-in-chief of the Washington Free Beacon and co-host of the Ink Stained Wretches podcast.

00:01:20.200 Ladies, great to have you here. How are you doing?

00:01:22.360 Good to see you, Megan.

00:01:23.640 Good to see you.

00:01:25.000 Likewise.

00:01:25.860 All right, so we'll get the Margot Robbie thing out of the way.

00:01:28.640 I was at a media conference out in Deer Valley, Utah, and it was great.

00:01:32.980 Had a wonderful couple of days out there, I have to say.

00:01:35.720 It's one of those things, just for the record, that I didn't really want to go to.

00:01:39.540 I agreed to go to it, but then I didn't want to go to it because I am a little, like, socially averse.

00:01:45.620 You know, I just, I'm not, people think I'm skilled socially because I'm decent at this job, but the two things do not lead to the same results.

00:01:54.060 And I always feel uncomfortable and I never, I'm not a very good glad hander.

00:01:58.540 And I usually try to avoid those things because I don't do very well at them.

00:02:01.820 But I was like, you know, I'm going to go.

00:02:03.360 It'll be a chance to meet some new people and have a nice time and ski a little.

00:02:06.540 And I did.

00:02:07.020 And I had a great time.

00:02:08.420 I really did.

00:02:09.060 I met a woman named Catherine Winnick, who stars in Vikings and Big Sky.

00:02:15.400 Delightful.

00:02:15.980 Love this woman.

00:02:17.660 And then I did manage to say hello to Margot Robbie, who was there as one of the presenters.

00:02:22.500 And can I tell you, she was very sweet.

00:02:24.840 I wanted to say hi because she starred in this movie, Bombshell, in which the Fox News Roger Ailes story was depicted.

00:02:30.560 She did not play me.

00:02:31.740 Charlize Theron did.

00:02:32.440 But she played a composite character of the women of Fox News.

00:02:37.240 And for Margot, this was, you know, an acting job.

00:02:39.640 And if she did great, I mean, I don't know if you know Margot's history, but like I, Tanya, is one of the greatest movies of all time.

00:02:45.120 She was amazing.

00:02:45.720 Wolf of Wall Street.

00:02:46.580 She's done a lot of great films.

00:02:47.680 But she did a wonderful job in this.

00:02:49.560 And so many women have talked to me about that movie, Bombshell, that it was nice to shake her hand and say, tell her the praise that I had received from women who actually lived it about her portrayal of it.

00:03:02.740 You know, some of those scenes in the fake Roger Ailes office were so disturbing.

00:03:07.300 They're still like frontal lobe for me watching her do it.

00:03:10.280 So anyway, it was nice to shake her hand.

00:03:11.560 She was very nice.

00:03:12.660 You never know with the Hollywood types whether they're going to be nice or not because, you know, 13 years at Fox News and I'm more on the other side of the political aisle for most of them.

00:03:20.880 You know, and some of them hold your politics against you.

00:03:23.040 She was not one of those people.

00:03:24.460 She was super nice.

00:03:25.720 And she said when she met me, oh, my gosh, she said it's the real Megyn Kelly.

00:03:31.480 She goes, I'm used to Charlize Theron as Megyn Kelly.

00:03:35.420 She's like, but it's the real you.

00:03:37.260 And we had a delightful exchange.

00:03:38.880 So good for her.

00:03:40.100 Good for Lionsgate for calling attention to that issue through the form of that movie.

00:03:44.200 I didn't approve of everything in it.

00:03:45.440 My husband did not approve of a scene that Margot was in, but Margot did not write that scene where the fake, you know, character she plays blamed me for her harassment.

00:03:56.560 So he was he was against the meeting.

00:03:58.960 No, he's just kidding.

00:04:00.960 He didn't really hold it against Margot.

00:04:02.260 But in any event, it was cool to meet her.

00:04:03.740 And I was happy to see there's a Hollywood type who is kind and warm and friendly and not holding politics as stakes in any sort of nice momentary meet and greet.

00:04:13.820 OK, that's the Margot Robbie story.

00:04:15.980 Moving on to bigger and more significant news.

00:04:19.720 Tucker Carlson.

00:04:20.980 So he drops the January 6th bomb on Monday night.

00:04:25.740 And this is footage that he's called through from Kevin McCarthy.

00:04:29.420 It was given to Tucker exclusively.

00:04:31.760 And it's all the videotapes that McCarthy had from Jan 6th.

00:04:37.240 Notably, the Jan 6th committee had this footage, but we didn't see a lot of the things that were shown on Tucker.

00:04:43.000 So I think McCarthy's goal is to sort of get some counter narrative out there, show the public some of the stuff that Jan 6th committee did not show us.

00:04:51.280 And it was interesting.

00:04:52.500 I think it's actually very interesting.

00:04:53.780 You know, I think Tucker downplayed some of the overall sense of what happened on January 6th.

00:05:00.920 He kind of did the mostly peaceful thing that CNN did during the BLM riots, which is not accurate.

00:05:05.420 But he did break a lot of news on sort of what was happening behind the scenes in some of these instances.

00:05:11.800 And I think overall, we're better off having seen this footage than not having seen it.

00:05:16.020 I'll start with you, Emily.

00:05:17.380 What do you think?

00:05:17.780 Yeah, I would agree with you that there's different language I would have used from Tucker, but that's such a small issue compared to the fact that his footage suggests the panel that House Democrats created, the select committee on January 6th that they impaneled to look into this, seems to have hid evidence from defendants' attorneys.

00:05:37.420 Someone was on Laura Ingram's show, one of the attorneys for the defendants last night, said that there was footage Tucker has released that they were never given access to despite asking the DOJ.

00:05:46.700 That's a huge story.

00:05:48.040 The January 6th committee seems to have deceivingly kept evidence about the case of Jacob Chansley, the so-called QAnon shaman.

00:05:55.360 Whatever people think of the Ray Epps theories, they also seem to have misled the American people about Ray Epps' timeline of where he was in and around the Capitol.

00:06:04.000 And so those, to me, are much, much, much bigger stories than whatever Tucker's take on the event may be.

00:06:10.680 And even his take on it has been misrepresented by the media.

00:06:13.520 There was a tweet from David French that said, you know, there's so many people who haven't seen violent clips like this one.

00:06:20.080 And he linked to a clip of real violence happening at the Capitol that day.

00:06:23.440 I went and looked at the first five minutes of Tucker's show on Monday and pulled screenshots of him showing the violence.

00:06:29.560 His narrative is basically that, yes, there was violence.

00:06:33.120 You didn't see the full story, though.

00:06:35.060 And as somebody who was reporting on the ground at the Capitol on January 6th, I still insist that was the strangest thing, is that there were different things happening on different parts of the Capitol.

00:06:44.420 I don't think you need to be a conspiracy theorist.

00:06:46.780 I think it's just incompetence, as so many conspiracy theories actually are.

00:06:50.900 The sad reality is that our government and the law enforcement in this case just had layers of incompetence.

00:06:55.620 And that's the real story, you know, QAnon shaman, Eliana, is one of the interesting ways in and out of this story and its latest developments, because QAnon shaman is shown by Tucker walking around the Capitol.

00:07:07.480 And it does look like he's being escorted by police.

00:07:09.700 At one point, he walks by seven to eight of them and they're kind of letting him walk around.

00:07:14.520 And Tucker points to this is like, I thought he was a violent insurrectionist.

00:07:19.060 You know, I thought he was one of the most fundamental threats to democracy since the Civil War.

00:07:23.020 This is what we keep getting told.

00:07:24.220 Then why isn't anybody reacting to him accordingly?

00:07:27.120 Now, the Capitol Police have responded and Democrats have responded.

00:07:30.120 It's called de-escalation.

00:07:31.980 That's what they say.

00:07:32.860 You know, and the Capitol Police are mad that Tucker didn't check in with them for their narrative, though it's been given many times in the Jan 6 hearings.

00:07:39.460 They say it's de-escalation.

00:07:41.040 We were outmanned.

00:07:42.020 We're outnumbered.

00:07:42.960 And it doesn't make sense to really go after any particular individual under those circumstances.

00:07:48.240 Well, OK, it is a little strange that we have seven to nine officers in one instance and they're not going after him.

00:07:54.220 And if he's if they really believed he posed a threat, I can see, you know, like, look at this.

00:07:58.560 It's it is a little strange.

00:07:59.620 And if I were QAnon shaman's lawyer and and I presume that they have all this footage, they would have had to receive it during his trial at which he pleaded guilty.

00:08:09.880 He didn't actually have a trial, but he pleaded guilty.

00:08:12.080 So I'm sure they had this video.

00:08:13.860 But I do wonder why QAnon shaman's lawyer didn't lawyers didn't get more into his state of mind to say the guy didn't believe that he was actually committing a felony because he did have an armed escort through half of his journey inside.

00:08:26.500 That's what I would have argued.

00:08:27.860 So as a lawyer, raise some questions for me.

00:08:29.860 And I don't think the Capitol Police and the de-escalation thing like I get it in general, but it is weird.

00:08:35.940 There are so many cops opening the doors for him, letting him have a total pass.

00:08:40.240 It does make you stop and wonder.

00:08:43.860 Well, I think we know the Capitol Police from January 6 weren't the most competent force in the country.

00:08:52.180 But to zoom out a little bit, I think one of the main problems that we're seeing here is we've only seen this footage filtered on the one hand through the January 6 panel, which had the former president of ABC News selecting and editing clips that were then shown to the country.

00:09:07.520 And on the other hand, it's now being filtered through Tucker Carlson.

00:09:10.840 And I think what really needs to happen is all of the footage should be released and interested people should be able to go and see it all without these partisan filters.

00:09:18.840 I'm pretty sure we know the politics of the former president of ABC News and we know Tucker Carlson's politics.

00:09:25.100 Look, bottom line is whether these the January 6 protesters were violent insurrectionists or whether they were peacefully disrupting proceedings of Congress, these guys were not supposed to be inside the Capitol.

00:09:38.640 They weren't supposed to be in Nancy Pelosi's office putting their feet on her desk and they were disrupting lawful proceedings of Congress.

00:09:46.300 And I think to try to whitewash that is distasteful.

00:09:50.100 Sure, you can argue it wasn't as bad as some people made it out to be.

00:09:54.480 But, you know, if if one or two or five people did that today, walked into the Capitol and went on to the House floor where they weren't supposed to be, that would be a major event.

00:10:03.440 And so I think we should release all the footage and not try to say, like, you know, this this wasn't so bad.

00:10:09.360 It's not good. You know, Emily, I think I get why it's controversial to release it to Tucker.

00:10:16.140 But I also feel like that January 6 committee was so disgusting in its partisanship and there was no defense.

00:10:23.760 It was a it was a clown show. It was a it was a circus trial.

00:10:28.940 There was no defense. Adam Kinzinger is about as much of a Republican at this point or certainly a Trump defender as Jennifer Rubin, you know, or Nicole Wallace.

00:10:37.460 It's a joke. And Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger, right?

00:10:41.580 He's what? Yes. CNN contributor. Liz Cheney is a Republican, but nowhere near a Trump defender or somebody like a Jim Jordan who would have been poking holes appropriately in some of the things the Jan 6 committee did.

00:10:53.560 And so it was so one sided. I think McCarthy probably chose, you know, a partisan, you know, and I somebody who is more of a pundit as opposed to a straight news journalist like Tucker for a reason.

00:11:05.000 Here here he was. McCarthy got approached by CNN on whether he regrets it.

00:11:09.860 You know, Chuck Schumer is very bad. Do you regret giving the tapes to Tucker?

00:11:14.320 This is just yesterday. Here's how McCarthy responded.

00:11:17.920 You regret giving him this footage so he could whitewash the events of that day?

00:11:21.700 No, I said at the very beginning, transparency. What I just want to make sure is I had transparency because I know in CNN, I mean, I had here where you guys actually broke where we were.

00:11:33.100 This was a secret location, Fort McGlare. I don't know if you got concerned by that.

00:11:37.660 I don't even know from a point of view of security if we could ever be taken there again.

00:11:41.860 But when you broke that, it's CNN.

00:11:45.020 So he's pointing out because one of the objections the Democrats are raising is there are secret roots inside the Capitol that could be exposed in these videos.

00:11:52.940 I don't think they're actually saying they were exposed in the Tucker videos.

00:11:56.280 And Tucker says all the stuff he's okayed for air has been run by congressional authorities, presumably from McCarthy's office, to make sure no secret routes or locations were disclosed, as CNN did, according to McCarthy.

00:12:12.220 So he's trying to play the holier than thou card.

00:12:14.500 Like, I couldn't trust you people at CNN, so I went to somebody I could.

00:12:17.180 What do you make of it?

00:12:18.220 Well, yeah, and contrast that with how Mitch McConnell handled similar questions.

00:12:21.400 He came out talking to reporters with a prop, totally prepared to criticize Tucker, not to criticize the problems in the Democratic Party that Tucker's reporting seems to be exposing.

00:12:31.740 The same thing is true of Kevin Kramer, of Tom Tillis, of Lindsey Graham, of Mitt Romney.

00:12:35.940 These are all Republican senators who took this bait, what I would consider bait, asking if it's okay to whitewash January 6th from Tucker's perspective.

00:12:44.300 What Republicans should be laser focused on is evidence here.

00:12:47.260 This is new evidence, and it's evidence that Democrats acted poorly.

00:12:51.920 So the small story of whether Tucker is a partisan, I would just say that priorities should be more in one direction instead of on that partisan bickering front.

00:13:00.180 And I remember sitting down with Kevin McCarthy in September, I think it was, and talking to him about the Democrats' committee, which they said was bipartisan because, to your point, Megan, it had Kinzinger and Cheney on it.

00:13:09.500 Wouldn't seat Jim Banks and others, but he's basically trying to make a point that that committee was so partisan in its nature that it has forever changed relationships between both parties in Washington, D.C.

00:13:23.680 because it shattered precedent.

00:13:25.040 They subpoenaed phone records from members of Congress, et cetera, et cetera.

00:13:28.500 And that is when you see Kevin McCarthy turning around and fielding a question so differently for Mitch McConnell, that's where that's coming from, is how, for House Republicans, this was like a fundamental event that reshaped their mindsets in a different direction, basically.

00:13:44.880 So I think it's really interesting to see how everybody's reacting to this.

00:13:47.380 And I agree with that, Liana.

00:13:48.160 I'm going to put it all out there because it is partisan filtering in either direction on a very important consequential tragedy, one of the ugliest days, I think, in American history, not worse than 9-11, like Steve Schmidt said on MSNBC.

00:14:02.300 But we should be able to just adjudicate the evidence for ourselves at this point.

00:14:06.400 He's an idiot.

00:14:07.080 Anybody who compares this to 9-11 is an idiot and should be written off immediately.

00:14:11.440 I made this point early on, and I was attacked as like a truther on January 6th.

00:14:15.460 It's like, would you take a seat?

00:14:16.540 But you can say it was terrible and that there was terrible violence that day without saying it was worse than 9-11, you morons, you partisan ideologues who are trying to mislead us.

00:14:27.900 Those are the ones who get us in trouble.

00:14:30.220 Tucker's trying to sort of show the other side right now, which we haven't seen because there was nobody representing the Trump side or the, I don't know, the protesters side, if you will, because there's always a defense at that committee hearing.

00:14:42.540 But I agree with you fully, Emily, that one of the interesting things about this story, and we'll get to the Fox Dominion updates, too, that story as well, is who's landing where?

00:14:52.200 Who's saying what about it?

00:14:53.840 And what are they saying?

00:14:54.940 Because these intra-party squabbles are interesting on a Republican level.

00:14:59.360 And then this one, this Jan 6th, is more complex than that.

00:15:02.460 It's Dems versus Republicans, but it's also Republicans versus Tucker to some extent.

00:15:06.840 And that's the Mitch McConnell quote you just mentioned.

00:15:09.240 Here's what he said, Eliana.

00:15:10.900 I wonder, why do you think he did this?

00:15:13.180 Listen, Sot 3.

00:15:15.280 My concern is how it was depicted, which is a different issue.

00:15:22.460 He's holding a police statement.

00:15:23.360 Clearly, the chief of the Capitol Police, in my view, correctly describes what most of us witnessed firsthand on January 6th.

00:15:36.160 It was a mistake, in my view, for Fox News to depict this in a way that's completely at variance with what our chief law enforcement official here at the Capitol thinks.

00:15:51.780 Wow.

00:15:52.620 What's that about?

00:15:54.360 I don't actually think it's that puzzling.

00:15:57.280 You know, first off, these Republicans were there that day.

00:16:01.840 And I think that the statements are colored by their own experience.

00:16:05.440 If a crowd of protesters stormed your office and disrupted your workplace, I think that would be jarring and, you know, you'd be shaken up by it.

00:16:16.760 But second of all.

00:16:17.360 Abby would never allow that.

00:16:18.400 She would, Abby would throw down.

00:16:20.220 She would never let them pass the gate.

00:16:22.180 You're in good hands.

00:16:22.760 But more importantly, I think McConnell and the other Republicans who are taking on Tucker have come to see that point of view, the kind of, oh, January 6th wasn't that bad.

00:16:35.120 They saw those arguments play out on the campaign trail in 2022 in the midterms.

00:16:40.740 And they think that carrying on, like advancing those arguments is a political liability for they really the Republican Party.

00:16:47.920 And they are trying to tamp down the crazy ahead of 2024.

00:16:52.660 OK, so that leads me to sort of a second interesting point on this, Emily, which is according to media.

00:16:59.140 And already I can see their report is half wrong.

00:17:01.820 They say that the rest of Fox is not covering this.

00:17:04.940 I think they also said Hannity and Ingram ignored it, which isn't true.

00:17:09.200 Ingram, you know, as you point out, did have somebody on as a follow up.

00:17:13.340 But I think it's true that most of the Fox Day side is not covering it.

00:17:17.360 Brett Baer did one report using their Capitol Hill producer, Chad Pergram, which included some of the criticism.

00:17:24.820 But it's not like I mean, trust me, I worked at Fox for many years.

00:17:27.800 If somebody gets a big, big scoop, you know, you you ride it.

00:17:31.580 You ride the wave.

00:17:32.300 You've you blanket the channel with it. You have it exclusively. It's yours.

00:17:35.240 Nobody else has it.

00:17:36.760 The fact that it's not ubiquitous across the channel definitely says something.

00:17:42.560 And Chuck Schumer came out yesterday and basically challenged Rupert Murdoch to not let Tucker air this stuff anymore, which as J.D. Vance tweeted, what are you doing?

00:17:51.780 Like, what is the media doing not pushing back on this like attempt from a senator to to threaten or not threaten, but I guess pressure a media outlet?

00:18:01.480 Let me forgive the interruption. We have that. Let's play it. And then I'll let you finish your thought.

00:18:05.040 Here's Chuck Schumer.

00:18:05.580 Last night, millions of Americans tuned into one of the most shameful hours we have ever seen on cable television.

00:18:16.060 Fox News host Tucker Carlson ran a lengthy segment last night arguing the January 6th Capitol attack was not a violent insurrection.

00:18:26.660 I don't think I've ever seen a prime time cable news anchor manipulate his viewers the way Mr. Carlson did last night.

00:18:35.800 I don't think I've ever seen an anchor treat the American people and American democracy with such disdain.

00:18:44.520 He's going to come back tonight with another segment.

00:18:47.080 Fox News should tell him not to. Fox News, Rupert Murdoch, tell Carlson not to run a second segment of lies.

00:18:58.040 I urge Fox News to order Carlson to cease propagating the big lie on his network and to level with their viewers about the truth, the truth behind the efforts to mislead the public.

00:19:11.400 Conduct like theirs is just asking for another January 6th to happen.

00:19:19.920 Go ahead, Em.

00:19:20.720 I mean, that's just completely like a great example of how I think so many people criticizing the package that Tucker aired on Monday did not watch the full package.

00:19:30.880 And that's where I think there are a lot of other people like me that feel like they're in between a rock and a hard place on this question.

00:19:36.760 Like it sucks when people downplay January 6th.

00:19:39.820 It was ugly.

00:19:40.660 It was horrible.

00:19:41.340 It was dangerous and it was tragic.

00:19:44.100 On the other hand, it has been exploited and mistreated by people who claim that they should be the censors of information and by people who claim that they have the moral high ground as reporters or as politicians.

00:19:55.760 And so it is if you watch the full segment, if you watch the full episode of Tucker Carlson tonight from Monday and from last night, again, there is language that I would have used that is different.

00:20:06.260 But at the same time, I don't really think it was that focused on downplaying so much as raising questions about things Democrats had in their possession that they did not show.

00:20:16.480 So Mitch McConnell's version of what Tucker did, Chuck Schumer's version of what Tucker did, I think is just discordant with what viewers actually saw, which to Chuck Schumer's point, you know, it wasn't really as bad as you think.

00:20:28.540 If you if you watch the full segment of Mitch McConnell, watch the full hour, which I doubt they did.

00:20:32.800 Maybe they did, but I doubt it.

00:20:34.240 I just don't think it was as like whitewashing and downplaying.

00:20:38.380 And there are people who do whitewash.

00:20:40.100 There are people who do downplay January 6th.

00:20:42.740 But I just don't think that's what Tucker did.

00:20:44.780 I don't think that's what Fox did.

00:20:46.000 I agree with you, Megan.

00:20:46.920 It's interesting that Fox isn't picking it up, but it might be because on the news side, they are getting a lot of pressure.

00:20:53.580 And some of the leaks that have come out of the Dominion lawsuit show that they're very sensitive and they're probably spooked by the lawsuit in and of itself.

00:21:01.700 But that's that's no excuse not to ride your own reporting.

00:21:04.940 Either you stand by it or you don't.

00:21:06.260 Either it belongs on the channel or it doesn't.

00:21:08.260 You know, either if Tucker airs it, it's it's fair game for the channel.

00:21:11.940 You can't just have like run and hide once he breaks this big story.

00:21:15.800 It's like, oh, it's not happening.

00:21:16.940 That that makes no sense to me, to your point about not not showing all the footage.

00:21:24.440 Brian Sicknick is a great example of that.

00:21:26.440 So Tucker has footage of the police officer, Brian Sicknick, walking around after he was allegedly attacked.

00:21:36.060 And in the in the words of the leftists who covered this, including The New York Times and The Washington Post early on, murdered that they were accusing the writers of murdering Brian Sicknick prior to this point where we see him walking around with a fire extinguisher.

00:21:52.200 Now, that's not true.

00:21:53.800 The New York Times had to retract its reporting a month after it dropped it because some, you know, not as well known sites.

00:22:03.100 I think like Revolver News came out saying your reporting's bullshit.

00:22:07.820 New York Times.

00:22:08.880 Brian Sicknick was not killed with a fire extinguisher.

00:22:11.160 He was walking around the Capitol and people who knew him saw it.

00:22:13.640 So Tucker has the footage, which he says, and I haven't gone back and looked at all of it as I'm taking his word on this, was not aired by the January 6th committee.

00:22:22.000 Now, since then, we know thanks again to that initial report by Revolver and then others who followed up.

00:22:27.420 Glenn Greenwald did great reporting on this in April of 2021.

00:22:30.660 Brian Sicknick was not murdered.

00:22:32.820 Brian Sicknick was a police officer there that day who was sprayed by bear spray by two guys, one of one of whom unleashed it on him, we're told.

00:22:41.080 And then later that night, late that night or the next day, had a blood clot.

00:22:47.500 He suffered from two strokes, which the medical examiner said, you know, the whole all of the events of January 6th may have contributed to his death, but it's unclear.

00:22:58.600 And the medical examiner also refused to reveal whether Brian Sicknick had a preexisting condition that that made that blood clot and stroke, those two strokes, more likely.

00:23:07.500 No one's been able to say the bear spray caused the stroke.

00:23:09.940 The medical examiner just suggested that certainly the day's events, a stressful day and so on, didn't help.

00:23:15.940 I'll get the exact language of what he said.

00:23:17.980 But my point is, why wouldn't the January 6th committee set the record straight?

00:23:21.820 Because what we had instead was people like Raskin and others continuing to push the lie that Sicknick was murdered or that he was killed as, you know, that day as a result of the insurrection.

00:23:33.100 That's too strong based on what the medical examiner said.

00:23:37.280 And to this extent, what Tucker's doing is a public service, Eliana.

00:23:41.020 Well, the goal of the January 6th committee was not to set the record straight.

00:23:46.180 It was to lay the groundwork for a referral to the Justice Department for a prosecution of President Trump.

00:23:52.900 And Megan, I laughed a little bit earlier when you said that everybody's worried.

00:23:56.840 You know, the Democrats are worried that Tucker Carlson showing this footage has exposed the Capitol to a security threat.

00:24:02.080 And I'm saying this tongue in cheek, but we all know it's kind of true.

00:24:05.300 There is nothing the Democrats would like more than another raid insurrection at the Capitol, because this has been a political goldmine for them.

00:24:14.860 Climaxing in the January 6th hearings at the Capitol.

00:24:19.360 So, you know, give me a break.

00:24:21.320 Just in the mainstream media, by the way, which completely distorted the Brian Sicknick's death.

00:24:27.580 Both the Democrats and the mainstream media, to the extent there's any distinction between the two groups, have been milking this event for everything it is worth and treating it as a political football from the moment it happened.

00:24:42.860 Yes. OK, so just to tell you exactly what the medical examiner said, they said Sicknick's participation in defending the Capitol that day, quote, all that transpired, played a role in his condition.

00:24:56.180 That's what he said. That is a far cry from he was murdered that day.

00:25:00.620 That is what the left has been saying about Brian Sicknick.

00:25:03.280 And you know what else they've been saying is that five people were killed that day.

00:25:07.320 Five people were killed.

00:25:08.720 That's not true either.

00:25:10.620 Two Trump supporters who were at the Capitol that day had heart attacks.

00:25:15.700 That is not like that's not what they're trying to imply.

00:25:19.340 They want us to believe that the Trump supporters were the one causing the heart attacks, causing people to die.

00:25:24.340 Two Trump supporters had heart attacks.

00:25:26.420 One person OD'd on amphetamines, who was, again, a Trump supporter, part of the crowd.

00:25:31.440 Then there was Ashley Babbitt, who was a Trump supporter trying to break into.

00:25:36.380 I think it was Nancy Pelosi's or one of the secure parts of the Capitol.

00:25:40.820 She was shot by police, though she was unarmed.

00:25:43.140 I'm not one of those people who says she was murdered.

00:25:45.340 She was breaking the law.

00:25:46.240 And I understand why she got shot.

00:25:48.160 Would not use the term murder for her either.

00:25:50.040 But that's number four.

00:25:52.560 And they count Brian Sicknick, who died the next day of two strokes caused by a blood clot.

00:25:58.940 And the strongest thing we have on him is all that transpired at the Capitol played a role in his condition.

00:26:05.740 And to be perfectly honest with you, I don't know whether that's true or not.

00:26:09.240 I do know that a lot of these cases, sometimes the medical examiner will say something like that so that you can get death benefits saying the person died in the line of duty.

00:26:17.500 It's a lot more beneficial for the police officers, survivors, his his next of kin.

00:26:22.140 Not saying I know that that's what happened here.

00:26:24.180 But let's be honest.

00:26:25.840 Two strokes the next day after the man was walking around post the attack is not does not support the murder line or killed in the insurrection that we've been fed.

00:26:35.840 So anyway, we were not shown that footage and it's important to show it.

00:26:41.020 And and even today, you've got people out there with the five people were killed that day, you know, misleading lies because to Eliana's point, Emily, they want to play it up.

00:26:52.680 It was bad enough as it was.

00:26:54.860 We've seen the footage of the cops getting beaten.

00:26:57.240 Right.

00:26:57.720 That's bad enough.

00:26:58.620 And the people hanging and desecrating the Capitol.

00:27:01.460 It's disgusting.

00:27:02.120 And defecating in the Capitol.

00:27:03.940 Disgusting.

00:27:04.420 And I believe lawmakers were scared.

00:27:06.380 I've heard from Pence's people personally that they were genuinely scared inside the Capitol that day.

00:27:11.800 I get all of that.

00:27:13.420 But that January 6th committee was propaganda.

00:27:15.660 And this is the answer to it.

00:27:17.880 Yeah, I do think it was personal for Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer in ways that are like emotionally understandable and resonant.

00:27:23.080 Because if you watch the documentary that Nancy Pelosi's daughter Alex made, there's actually some really interesting footage of Republicans and Democrats in congressional leadership working together to try to solve the situation.

00:27:32.880 And that brings us to exactly the point you just made, Megan, is that when we're litigating how all of these people died tragically, we are our inability to have any sense of unity as a country over what happened on January 6th.

00:27:45.580 And to just come together and agree, things have gone way too far out of control.

00:27:49.540 A lot of that is because people in regular America are responding to the fact that corporate media and the Democrats did get a lot of this wrong.

00:27:59.820 I was going to say lie to them, but I don't think it was all intentional.

00:28:02.260 I think a lot of it is just incompetence, ignorance, arrogance, all of that combined.

00:28:07.260 And so you have average Americans reacting and saying, so why didn't they show this footage of Jacob Chansley being escorted around the Capitol building by police officers?

00:28:17.800 Why did they get the timeline on Ray Epps wrong?

00:28:20.200 What are they hiding from us?

00:28:21.760 And so then we have to relitigate this over and over again.

00:28:24.540 I immediately, after walking off Capitol Hill that day, took so much shit from some people on the right, who had good reason, by the way, not to believe any of the reporting that was coming out of the Capitol because they have been lied to by the media for years, saying that was leftists, that was Antifa.

00:28:39.640 I saw a guy screaming at people who jumped up on statues.

00:28:42.600 You know, you're making us look like a bunch of effing leftists.

00:28:44.900 Like there were even those divisions among the people that were there.

00:28:48.220 But it is just the fact of the matter.

00:28:50.080 There were real Trump supporters.

00:28:51.600 There were people who were very angry that day, fully believed the election was being stolen out from under their noses, which it was not, but fully believed that and were angry enough to riot.

00:29:00.500 That's the real story.

00:29:01.420 And the fact that we have not been able to handle this with any sense of unity or seriousness for the last two years is a tragedy as well.

00:29:10.320 You know, the other thing is, once again, I know we want to focus on, you know, OK, was was Tucker right about like these were sightseers?

00:29:20.300 I think he might have used the word sightseers.

00:29:22.240 I'll go back and check that.

00:29:23.360 But no.

00:29:24.500 OK, some of them were.

00:29:26.480 But the dishonest, like these same people who are playing holier than thou right now, Eliana, are the same people who literally use the term mostly peaceful in describing the BLM protests.

00:29:36.680 I mean, literally use that exact term.

00:29:38.400 It was on a CNN chyron and who won't acknowledge the fact that 2000 cops got injured in the BLM protest.

00:29:45.580 2000. That's according to law enforcement groups that have actually taken the numbers, not to mention the number dead, which is way higher than five.

00:29:53.920 And they weren't they didn't die by heart attack in those protests and the arsons and the hell that they unleashed on our country post George Floyd.

00:30:01.480 I mean, you could go back to just May and June post George Floyd.

00:30:04.340 Seven hundred cops were injured just in that period alone.

00:30:07.180 Then none of these people gave a shit.

00:30:08.280 Lent. Sorry, they didn't lent anyway.

00:30:12.220 They didn't care.

00:30:13.340 So please just like spare me.

00:30:15.340 I like it's still for me is very irritating to listen to people like Chuck Schumer try to pretend he cares when he couldn't have cared less about the violence that was going on to the cops that got hurt in places like Kenosha.

00:30:27.640 That's where CNN had the mostly peaceful chyron.

00:30:30.360 Right. So it's like, could you just take a seat?

00:30:32.780 And by the way, Chuck Schumer, too.

00:30:34.480 Here's the other thing.

00:30:35.040 I don't think I've ever seen a primetime cable news anchor manipulate his viewers the way Mr.

00:30:39.400 Carlson did.

00:30:39.960 Do you watch Rachel Maddow?

00:30:42.820 Did you take in one minute of her Russiagate coverage or her Trump tax return nonsense?

00:30:47.320 Give me a break.

00:30:49.260 Oh, it's ridiculous.

00:30:50.800 I mean, Chuck Schumer is acting as the partisan that he is.

00:30:54.920 The guy is the Senate majority leader and behaving as the Democratic chief.

00:31:00.600 There's a Megan, you know, from having spent time there, there is nothing Democrats like to do more.

00:31:05.040 Then invade against Fox News because it has an enormous audience.

00:31:08.820 It's what, three times, four times the audience that Rachel Maddow has.

00:31:12.120 It clobbers their cable news channels in the ratings every single day.

00:31:16.820 And this is a purely political exercise on the part of Chuck Schumer and the Democrats who are bashing Fox News.

00:31:24.280 And I think the sad part about this is, and this gets into the Dominion stuff a little bit, is that the devolution of Fox News over the past few years has made, you know, for a long time, everything they said about Fox News was a load of crap.

00:31:38.940 But some of the things that have happened over the past few years, like Fox News has fulfilled some of the criticisms that they've had of it.

00:31:45.880 And that is painful for those of us who are conservatives.

00:31:48.700 Hmm. We'll get to that in our next block.

00:31:52.180 But here's the Tucker quote.

00:31:53.680 Overwhelming majority were not causing damage.

00:31:56.120 These were not insurrectionists.

00:31:57.360 These were sightseers.

00:31:58.840 Well, so we did use the term sightseers.

00:32:00.680 So it is true.

00:32:01.480 That is true of some sight.

00:32:03.060 Some some were sightseers and some were rioters.

00:32:05.880 And I don't believe that this was an insurrection at all, legally or in any other way.

00:32:11.320 But it was a riot.

00:32:12.640 I mean, I don't think there's much doubt about that.

00:32:14.620 You don't have to you don't have to understate it or overstate it to stay truthful on this.

00:32:19.440 And someone should tell Chuck Schumer that because he was way off in those comments.

00:32:24.440 And to suggest that, like, you shouldn't run it.

00:32:28.340 The Fox has this scoop and they shouldn't do anything with it is just totally disingenuous.

00:32:32.620 I mean, no news organization that got this leak would not do anything with it.

00:32:37.040 That's absurd.

00:32:38.100 And that's also why it's weird.

00:32:40.040 Fox isn't doing more with it.

00:32:42.100 I mean, to not do more with it is an indictment by Fox of Tucker, which is irritating.

00:32:47.900 If I were Tucker, I'd be mad.

00:32:50.200 You know what?

00:32:51.060 For Chuck Schumer, he can stay in his lane.

00:32:53.320 He can stick to governing and the news organizations can stick to figuring out what to broadcast.

00:32:58.600 But it does suggest to me that in the Dominion filings get to it, too.

00:33:02.460 I know we're not there yet, but like, uh, who's in charge over there at Fox?

00:33:06.480 Because when I work there, I'm going to leave.

00:33:11.140 I'm going to leave.

00:33:11.760 That's the that's your tease for the next block.

00:33:14.000 Yeah.

00:33:14.240 Who's in charge over there?

00:33:15.840 More with the EJs right after this.

00:33:21.720 OK, Eliana, here we go.

00:33:23.260 Who's in charge over there?

00:33:24.440 The reason you're asking that about Fox News is there's just been a torrent of bad news for them

00:33:30.660 over the past couple of weeks in the context of the Dominion defamation lawsuit against Fox.

00:33:36.640 They're also suing Newsmax.

00:33:37.900 They're suing OANN.

00:33:40.140 They're smartmatic is a separate group.

00:33:43.040 They've got lawsuits against people like Janine Pirro, Maria Bardo Romo, like all the people who

00:33:48.400 platformed the election lies about Dominion being a Hugo Chavez operation that meant to turn the votes

00:33:56.320 that people cast for Trump into Biden votes are getting their asses sued.

00:34:01.540 And it's a good lawsuit.

00:34:02.960 In other words, like it's smart to bring it, whether they're actually going to win it is a different

00:34:09.240 question. For those who want to deep dive on that, go see our Friday episode where we had on the New

00:34:14.660 York Times reporter who's been covering this, Jeremy Peters, and then we did two really smart

00:34:18.980 defamation lawyers on how else is going to shake out.

00:34:21.400 For those who missed it, I'll give you the bottom line.

00:34:23.460 If if the case comes down to what an individual's anchor said at an individual time,

00:34:29.360 Dominion is probably going to lose.

00:34:30.800 If Dominion can cast the suit as about the tone on Fox for three weeks versus what Fox executives

00:34:38.960 and many talent actually thought of the Dominion allegations at the time, then Dominion is probably

00:34:44.140 going to win. That's the summary.

00:34:46.240 But today, there's more reporting over the weekend.

00:34:49.460 There's been more reporting.

00:34:50.300 Jeremy Peters, same guy, follows up, had a report over the weekend.

00:34:55.760 I'm not going to lie, Eliana made me really sad.

00:34:57.960 But the report over the weekend made me really sad.

00:35:01.740 I did not know until I read that report that Bill Salmon had been fired

00:35:05.520 from Fox because of the Arizona call.

00:35:10.360 I knew our friend Stierwald had been.

00:35:12.480 That was horrible enough.

00:35:14.520 I thought I thought Bill Salmon quit in disgust.

00:35:17.360 Because they're they're buddies there.

00:35:19.160 They work together.

00:35:19.900 I work with these guys for a decade plus.

00:35:22.720 They are honorable men.

00:35:24.900 They are good, honest reporters, both of them who care.

00:35:28.800 And I think people would be surprised if they knew the truth about their politics.

00:35:32.280 You know, you can't figure out what the politics of that decision desk are.

00:35:35.060 You really don't.

00:35:35.740 Took me years and getting to know them very well to figure out where they stood and who

00:35:39.660 they voted for.

00:35:40.340 You'd be shocked.

00:35:40.880 Um, but they're all across the board.

00:35:43.540 It's a it's a mishmash match.

00:35:45.220 So these are not like never Trumpers or pro Trumpers or just honest guys.

00:35:49.760 They made the call in Arizona.

00:35:51.100 I realized it was controversial.

00:35:52.140 It wound up being very, very tight, probably tighter than the decision that decision desk

00:35:55.460 anticipated.

00:35:56.420 But they did get it right.

00:35:58.320 And Stierwald and Salmon were fired for making that right call.

00:36:03.260 And Stierwald went out on the air to defend it because Fox asked him to.

00:36:06.200 So, I mean, I don't know how you lose your job for that, but it happened.

00:36:09.480 And the article shows that that went right up to the top, Rupert and Suzanne, all of

00:36:14.320 them, and that they had this conference call with the anchors about what to do that I have

00:36:19.120 separate thoughts on.

00:36:20.140 But the reporting today is now about Carlson, Tucker Carlson behind the scenes.

00:36:25.920 I don't know.

00:36:26.460 This stuff doesn't bother me as much.

00:36:27.760 I have to say he's like he hates Trump.

00:36:30.100 All right.

00:36:30.800 I mean, how do you know how a news anchor feels about anything?

00:36:33.560 Right.

00:36:33.700 It's like the question is not how Tucker feels about Trump.

00:36:36.800 It's how he covers him.

00:36:37.700 Like the question is not how any news reporter feels about Trump or Biden.

00:36:41.860 It's how they cover them on the air.

00:36:44.200 They're allowed to have their own private feelings, not to diminish the overall scandal

00:36:48.060 that they're embroiled in.

00:36:49.040 So what are your thoughts on it, Eliana?

00:36:51.360 I was struck by a couple of things.

00:36:53.260 The first is that the Arizona call was controversial.

00:36:55.800 And I saw when The New York Times put this article up that a lot of the data gurus, Nate Silver

00:37:00.660 and the others were saying, well, the call was actually wrong.

00:37:03.400 It was too soon to call it and they couldn't have known.

00:37:05.700 And OK, maybe I don't know.

00:37:08.680 I don't have the expertise to know whether the call was too soon.

00:37:11.680 But I was struck by in the internal conversations that are in these filings, the arguments against

00:37:18.880 the Arizona call were not on the merits.

00:37:22.400 They weren't saying, oh, it was too soon.

00:37:24.140 They were saying, we're getting blowback from the viewers, the pro-Trump, you know, MAGA

00:37:27.980 types are mad.

00:37:29.500 And Brett Baer, of all people, saying, we're just taking so much heat.

00:37:34.100 I think we need to walk this thing back.

00:37:36.260 None of it was none of the arguments against it were based on the actual merits and the

00:37:42.500 mechanics of the call.

00:37:44.420 And then they tossed two people overboard because of it.

00:37:48.000 And beyond that, I was also struck by the extent to which Suzanne Scott was doing, A, being

00:37:56.960 bossed around by Rupert, which, OK, he's her boss.

00:37:59.740 But I was at Fox from 2008 to 2011.

00:38:03.320 This was very much Roger Ailes' Fox News.

00:38:06.840 And, you know, everything we know was that he pushed back and kept Rupert Murdoch at bay.

00:38:12.120 And on the other hand, being bossed around by her primetime angers, which suggests that

00:38:17.640 and by the way, those guys, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingram and Tucker Carlson brag about the

00:38:23.020 fact that they're not accountable to anybody over there.

00:38:26.120 And so I think internally, the job of running Fox News is a talent management job.

00:38:34.280 And that's what I picked up in my three years there.

00:38:36.880 And I was a very junior person over there.

00:38:38.840 But you can pick up a lot of things being pretty junior.

00:38:41.040 It was very clear that like Roger's role there, a lot of it was like reminding talent that

00:38:47.080 you work for me, like I give you this slot on the air.

00:38:50.280 And that is clearly gone by the wayside.

00:38:52.840 There's no management up by Suzanne Scott.

00:38:55.980 And there's no management down from Suzanne Scott to talent.

00:39:00.120 You're you're you're 100 percent right.

00:39:02.040 I'm sorry, but that's exactly it.

00:39:03.960 And you can't lead an organization with the approach of I am going to keep my head down

00:39:09.440 and my mouth shut enough to maintain my executive role.

00:39:12.680 That's not trying to keep everybody happy.

00:39:14.900 Yeah, I just I just don't want to be I don't that that could be my head in a basket is not

00:39:18.900 leadership.

00:39:19.700 That's not leadership.

00:39:20.900 And the egos and the stars that, you know, cable news produces grow so big that they do

00:39:26.440 need to be managed.

00:39:27.380 And and that's like Roger got that.

00:39:29.800 I mean, back in the Roger days, he had Bill O'Reilly.

00:39:32.400 Can you imagine managing Bill O'Reilly's ego?

00:39:35.660 He's a very strong personality and he was a big star and he was our number one star and

00:39:41.420 our number one show.

00:39:42.660 And Roger understood that he had built that.

00:39:45.660 You know, Roger had built that and allowed that to be built.

00:39:48.480 Not like Bill had nothing to do with it.

00:39:49.780 I'm just saying, you know, it was under Roger's leadership.

00:39:51.960 But when he laid down the law on Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Greta Van Susteren, yours truly,

00:40:00.800 any of us, we knew it was the law that he was the boss and we had to do what he said.

00:40:08.960 And since he's he left and he was forced out, of course, that's lead me back to the beginning

00:40:14.060 of the show and bombshell and that whole story.

00:40:15.680 Since he left, they haven't had that strong leadership with somebody who's got 10 and

00:40:20.980 two on the steering wheel and does not let the thing pull too far right or left.

00:40:26.400 I was Roger's genius and never letting it pull too far left.

00:40:29.820 Yes, of course, because news tends to be left and young people you hire tend to be left or

00:40:34.960 too far right.

00:40:36.020 People don't give Roger enough credit for that.

00:40:38.000 He understood where the American people were, where the audience was.

00:40:41.960 And there that takes genius, it takes strength, it takes the gall, the guts of a true leader.

00:40:50.920 And I do think that the absence of that is what has led to a lot of these problems that

00:40:55.400 the the primetime anchors, of course, they're going to do what they're going to do.

00:40:58.460 Of course, they're going to, you know, they're running their own individual fiefdoms.

00:41:02.100 I blame them less than I blame the management, to be perfectly honest with you.

00:41:05.340 Like, Tucker, what's his job is to put numbers on the board.

00:41:07.900 He's an opinion guy.

00:41:08.800 I totally agree.

00:41:09.540 You know, it's like, I get what he's doing.

00:41:11.780 I don't get why management isn't being stronger about this is our vision.

00:41:15.800 This is where we are OK and where we're not OK.

00:41:18.060 Roger would have had right after Arizona.

00:41:21.100 He would have said whatever.

00:41:22.600 Maybe he would have said it is too close.

00:41:23.980 We're going to take that back the call and we're going to wait.

00:41:27.200 And that's fine.

00:41:28.380 Maybe that's what he would have said.

00:41:29.520 But he would have had a very clear vision.

00:41:31.460 He would not have had a fucking conference call with 40 people and fired the decision.

00:41:35.720 No, that never would have happened.

00:41:37.520 It upsets me because the thing that Roger did was he protected the news division.

00:41:43.440 He always protected the news division.

00:41:45.000 Why did he do that?

00:41:45.700 Because he understood it was integral to the reputation of Fox News.

00:41:50.020 There could be no Bill O'Reilly, no primetime commentators without the news engine driving the respect for the organization as begrudging as it might have been from our critics.

00:42:00.120 And they're not doing that now.

00:42:02.480 They're not protecting the news division.

00:42:04.120 They're surrendering in these memos.

00:42:06.020 That's what it's showing.

00:42:06.680 They're surrendering to audience demand or fear of falling ratings.

00:42:11.520 That's not the way.

00:42:12.960 That's not it.

00:42:13.860 Sometimes the audience gets disappointed.

00:42:15.420 You don't think they were disappointed when Mitt Romney lost?

00:42:17.480 I was there.

00:42:18.220 Believe me, the primetime ratings went off the cliff.

00:42:21.200 But you know what happened?

00:42:22.260 They came back.

00:42:23.680 You didn't have to lie to the audience, have to mislead the audience.

00:42:26.220 They came back.

00:42:26.980 It's a long term game and they need a strong leader who understands that.

00:42:31.080 And I'm sorry, because I'm friends with I'm friendly with most of these people.

00:42:35.080 They don't have it.

00:42:36.500 So that's my two my two cents on it.

00:42:38.600 What do you make of it, Emily?

00:42:39.860 Yeah, I think there's two things going on.

00:42:41.380 First is that Roger Ailes is somebody who is basically it's impossible for anybody to step in those shoes without some like cataclysmic level of destruction for at least some period of time.

00:42:51.060 It does seem, though, that they're continuing to struggle longer than beyond what seems reasonable, beyond what you would expect.

00:42:57.880 I mean, we're we're coming up on a decade pretty soon here of the post Ailes Fox News era.

00:43:03.180 So, yes, I think that's part of it.

00:43:05.400 But secondly, I also think Fox News is caught in one of the strangest places in all of corporate media.

00:43:11.200 They're basically the one network, the one news channel that is willing to give voice to people like Tucker Carlson.

00:43:18.560 And that means, by the way, and have like Glenn Greenwald on.

00:43:21.800 You won't find him on any other corporate media network these days.

00:43:24.620 And so that means they are managing this news division with an audience that is very different from the sort of corporate bosses in New York, you know, for for good or for bad in different ways.

00:43:36.100 But there's the coming apart phenomenon that Charles Murray wrote about back in 2012, where you're looking at how different the audience is from the people who are in the Tony Manhattan skyscrapers that are trying to manage this company.

00:43:48.900 I feel like they are they are right now without Ailes's leadership struggling to know where the clear boundaries are and should be because they don't know when to give their audience the benefit.

00:43:59.620 And another thing to Eliana's point that is so disappointing from what's come out of the lawsuit is just how obsessed with like Newsmax.

00:44:07.840 They're upset about they're worried about competition potentially from Newsmax in the weeks after the election, after the Arizona call.

00:44:14.560 I mean, it is all just an obsession with money.

00:44:16.920 And of course, that's what corporate media is.

00:44:19.200 And I don't think anybody has a lack of understanding of that.

00:44:22.580 But in some of these cases, it's just like, really, really, there's a profit question at stake here, not the fact that this report might be glaringly incorrect.

00:44:33.480 So just the insight into the into the way the boardroom was sort of handling the news side of the business was really interesting.

00:44:39.600 But as somebody who grew up in Wisconsin, watching Fox News as a conservative, as somebody who went to church every week and thought differently, like I believed in the Second Amendment, like Fox News meant a lot to me growing up.

00:44:52.060 And it meant a lot to a lot of people in, you know, the so-called flyover country.

00:44:57.060 And so it's a very, very hard position, I think, for people making millions of dollars living in the New York area to to try and manage this massive corporation with the one sort of anti-establishment audience in media.

00:45:10.840 You need look, I'm biased because I love this guy, Tom Lowell.

00:45:15.060 He was my executive producer.

00:45:16.200 Um, when I first I had never even anchored a live broadcast when I was very young there and he I got thrown into like the weekend 11 a.m. spot suddenly, you know, I was like I was doing a pre-taped show for the first time as an anchor that weekend.

00:45:31.200 It was like subbing for Geraldo, but they're like, you're here and we need somebody live at 11 a.m.

00:45:35.440 I'm like, oh, God, I've never done live.

00:45:37.280 And it was Tom Lowell.

00:45:38.240 And you would think you would think that the executive producer would be like, OK, I'm just going to stick with the nice little rundown that you have.

00:45:43.760 You're going to do it your first.

00:45:45.020 No, Tom Lowell, typical Tom Lowell was like, we're throwing it out.

00:45:49.420 There's breaking news is in my ear.

00:45:51.480 I'm like, holy shit.

00:45:52.840 What is this thing?

00:45:54.480 A beautiful relationship was formed that day.

00:45:56.880 And he was my EP from that point forward.

00:45:58.680 America's Newsroom, America Live, the Kelly file.

00:46:01.260 And now he's in senior management over there.

00:46:03.500 Tom Lowell is the closest thing they have to Roger Ailes without the harassment.

00:46:07.300 He's he's he's a leader.

00:46:09.160 He's strong.

00:46:09.760 He loves the channel and he loves the news, but has his finger on the pulse of what the audience wants.

00:46:16.420 You need somebody over there who loves the channel enough to understand when the answer is no.

00:46:21.280 Right.

00:46:21.760 When you have to disappoint the audience and you have to stay within the factual bounds, but also is fearless.

00:46:27.160 You you need somebody who's going to say, I'm fine taking the risk.

00:46:31.040 Tucker has a big exclusive where he's going to do his thing.

00:46:34.400 And then the news division is going to do its thing.

00:46:36.660 And it's going to be a thing of beauty.

00:46:38.220 And the Chuck Schumer soundbite is delicious.

00:46:40.540 And we're going to run it on loop all day and defend our channel.

00:46:44.820 And what we do, which is tell the other side of the story.

00:46:47.380 Brigham used to say it's like picking money up off the street, like picking money up off the street.

00:46:51.140 They won't tell it.

00:46:52.200 We'll tell it.

00:46:52.940 We are serving the country by telling the stories that they won't tell.

00:46:56.860 Don't be embarrassed about it.

00:46:58.100 Fucking paper the channel with it, but be truthful.

00:47:01.660 You know, and if you have a disagreement with the way the way your primetime opinion hosts tell it, then you tell it.

00:47:06.060 Tell it properly through your news people.

00:47:07.500 And don't just be embarrassed with one with one pre-taped segment with a Capitol Hill producer.

00:47:12.500 Like, own it.

00:47:13.800 Anyway, I like I got so many feelings about it.

00:47:16.280 I'm so conflicted because I love these people, but I don't like love what's happening there.

00:47:20.640 All right.

00:47:21.180 We have 30 seconds left for a comment.

00:47:23.180 Who's going to say something?

00:47:24.960 Megan, this is internal Fox News politics.

00:47:27.640 But I think one of the things that's led them astray here is that they put a lot of stock in having a female CEO in the wake of the Roger Ailes scandal.

00:47:35.620 And if you Google Suzanne Scott, you'll see dozens of mainstream media, glowing profiles that do not get in, that do not really get into the nitty gritty there.

00:47:46.000 And I think that's that's one way they want to stray is they went the identity politics route as opposed to, you know, you mentioned Tom Lowell.

00:47:52.080 Pretty sure he's a white guy, Megan.

00:47:53.360 And I'm not I'm not sure that's what they were trying to go for after after Roger.

00:47:57.080 It's they need to rethink that.

00:48:02.620 OK, so let's talk about Dr. Fauci and his lies.

00:48:07.640 I mean, where to begin?

00:48:09.260 We won't be able to cover them all, but we did get some more interesting information shedding light on the lies about how he manipulated the message about lab leak versus natural origin.

00:48:21.180 Early on in the pandemic, this guy, it's amazing he's gotten away with this.

00:48:26.460 It's amazing the mainstream media doesn't show more interest in in what are clearly lies.

00:48:31.080 They think they come out every week, but they're just they just love their little Fauci superhero doll.

00:48:36.280 Each one of them goes to sleep with it at their bedside every night and they can't you know, no narrative could be advanced that contradicts it.

00:48:42.400 The House Oversight Committee has new evidence behind Fauci's role.

00:48:46.740 They've got new emails now and it relates to that article very early on in the pandemic, which had like all these virologists, some of the world's most respected, saying we've looked and natural origin.

00:49:00.000 It's it wasn't a lab leak.

00:49:02.220 And then Fauci and Collins, who ran the NIH, Collins was Fauci's boss, promptly went out and touted it.

00:49:08.560 Look at this.

00:49:09.580 Look at all these respected people not connected to us, not connected to us.

00:49:13.180 Went out there and they they wrote this article, just just passionate, objective, saying natural origin.

00:49:19.540 So lab leak is racist.

00:49:21.560 Take a seat.

00:49:22.180 If you're a lab leaker, you're a fringy conspiracy theorist.

00:49:25.840 The respective virologists say natural origin.

00:49:28.400 Look at this nature magazine article.

00:49:30.600 And Fauci went so far as to basically pretend he didn't even know these people.

00:49:35.040 Like, I don't know.

00:49:35.580 I can't remember even the names of who was on this paper.

00:49:38.020 We have a little bit of that just to take you back to April 17th, 2020, Fauci.

00:49:43.180 Dr. Fauci, can you address these suggestions or concerns that this virus was somehow manmade,

00:49:51.540 possibly came out of a laboratory in China?

00:49:55.380 There was a study recently that we can make available to you where a group of highly qualified

00:50:02.480 evolutionary virologists look at the sequences there and the sequences in bats as they evolve.

00:50:13.240 And the mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human.

00:50:22.800 So, I mean, the paper will be available.

00:50:26.520 I don't have the authors right now, but we can make that available, too.

00:50:29.660 Okay.

00:50:32.380 First of all, he's so tiny.

00:50:33.540 Isn't he my God?

00:50:34.180 He's like right next to Trump.

00:50:35.320 It's like these two giants that Fauci's so small in the middle.

00:50:39.560 Okay.

00:50:40.020 He can't even remember who it was.

00:50:42.420 And we've had people who were involved in this, like Dr. Bob Gary.

00:50:45.760 By the way, if you haven't listened to that episode, you should.

00:50:48.100 Episode 426.

00:50:49.140 Go back and listen.

00:50:49.740 On this show, saying it was just an objective search for the truth.

00:50:55.180 We were totally open-minded to the lab leak theory.

00:50:57.700 Well, now we see, courtesy of the House Oversight Committee, emails showing, like here's one by this Christian Anderson.

00:51:05.700 He was one of the main guys involved in this.

00:51:07.600 His name's on the paper.

00:51:09.120 This is from February 8th, 2020.

00:51:11.160 He emails a professor in Germany.

00:51:12.760 Our main work over the last couple of weeks, while they're writing this thing, has been focused on trying to disprove.

00:51:19.740 Any type of lab leak theory.

00:51:22.880 Any type of lab theory.

00:51:24.540 So it wasn't objective.

00:51:26.400 It wasn't some open-minded search.

00:51:28.640 They had been tasked to go disprove the lab leak theory because China.

00:51:34.060 They were in bed with China.

00:51:35.200 They were protecting China.

00:51:36.120 The U.S. was funding this whole thing, including what was happening in the Wuhan lab, including gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses to make them more lethal or more contagious.

00:51:44.680 And we didn't want anybody taking a closer look under that hood.

00:51:47.520 That's the truth.

00:51:48.200 Then you have, um, Dr. Anderson, uh, and his group stating, as for the conference call of February 1st, Dr. Fauci, uh, okay, they say Dr. Fauci did not, in Dr. Anderson's view, attempt to influence Dr. Anderson or any other member.

00:52:04.280 But the select subcommittee says that assertion is demonstrably false.

00:52:09.920 On February 12th, 2020, Dr. Anderson wrote to Nature requesting the publication of what would become that article.

00:52:15.700 And in it, he wrote, um, there's been a lot of speculation.

00:52:19.300 There's been fear-mongering.

00:52:20.320 We're going to write this article, uh, for you, Nature.

00:52:22.800 And he writes, prompted by Jeremy Farah, that's a British guy, um, Tony Fauci and Francis Collins, et cetera, uh, we have been working through much of the primarily genetic data to provide agnostic and scientifically informed hypotheses around the origins of the virus.

00:52:41.080 So he says, this effort, this Nature article is prompted by Fauci.

00:52:45.580 He says it right here.

00:52:46.500 It was prompted by Fauci.

00:52:47.900 Fauci's been telling us he had nothing to do with it.

00:52:49.820 And then you have the other admission, as I just, uh, pointed out in this Dr. Anderson email to the professor in Germany saying, and our purpose is to disprove the lab leak theory.

00:52:57.260 Okay, you follow?

00:52:57.900 So it was all lies.

00:52:59.800 Every day we get new emails that show Fauci's been lying and his little virologists who participated on that, that Nature article, which they used to shame honest virologists out of saying it was lab leak.

00:53:11.800 Uh, it was all a Fauci operation.

00:53:13.740 It was disinformation, as the media likes to call it.

00:53:16.400 And you'll hear basically nothing about this in the mainstream media.

00:53:20.560 Eliana.

00:53:20.760 He is a politician who never ran for office and was never elected to anything and had no business, um, prescribing national policy, um, for the country.

00:53:33.700 And that clip you played of Fauci lying to the American people while Donald Trump stood out to one side of him and Mike Pence stood to the other, um, I think is a hell of a, uh, primary campaign ad against Donald Trump, who, um, to his discredit empowered Fauci, uh, during, uh,

00:53:50.760 the first, uh, year of COVID.

00:53:54.700 He, he, there's no question.

00:53:56.220 I mean, that's, that's a serious issue for him is his embrace of Fauci and he never fired Fauci.

00:54:01.960 One of the other things he's saying now, he's going to get rid of the department of education.

00:54:05.300 His critics are all like, why didn't you do that in your first term of office?

00:54:08.180 That, that you actually could have done before, but he didn't fire Fauci and Fauci still a little mini God, small, small though.

00:54:14.400 He may be Emily, he is a little superhero to the left and they won't report on this.

00:54:18.680 He said, like, he's been lying to us all along.

00:54:21.040 Of course, his fingerprints were all over the nature article.

00:54:23.860 He didn't give a shit where the pandemic originated because China.

00:54:28.720 Well, yeah, and that's because China and because from the perspective of another country, I mean, I cannot get over how cynical it is for American elites to intentionally weaponize charges of racism.

00:54:40.680 I mean, they intentionally weaponized charges of racism to cover for China and also to cover their own asses.

00:54:46.280 That's what Fauci is doing here.

00:54:47.420 He knows that this was happening under his tenure and it looks really bad.

00:54:51.880 Their intel, that's another thing.

00:54:53.140 Look at what Mike Pompeo has said in recent days.

00:54:56.060 It was a lab leak.

00:54:57.720 The American intelligence community had indications from the beginning that this was a lab leak.

00:55:03.620 Anthony Fauci was almost certainly aware of that.

00:55:06.280 And so they're aware that it looks like there's something going on in a lab that was being funded with American taxpayer dollars.

00:55:14.580 And so they hold up racism as a shiny object, insulting, offending Americans, actually disrupting the journalistic pursuit of truth, doing all of that to cover their own asses.

00:55:26.840 It is just like so cynical and disgusting.

00:55:29.120 Every single day that passes that we learn more, we realize how much more cynical and disgusting it was.

00:55:35.360 But in the meantime, Fauci was treated.

00:55:37.640 I mean, there were like several bars here in D.C. that had like Fauci themed drinks for the course of 2020, probably still sell them today because he got like photo shoots.

00:55:48.120 He had spreads in magazines because journalists didn't do their job of treating him with skepticism as a public official and instead changed turned him into a hero, which allowed him, empowered him in turn to cover his own ass by weaponizing these cynical charges of racism.

00:56:04.620 All the other things that they keep.

00:56:06.660 Well, I'll just make this point.

00:56:07.740 I'll give you the floor.

00:56:08.260 But they continue to say this is just an objective search for truth.

00:56:10.700 That's what led to the Nature article, even though 48 hours earlier, they'd all been saying furin cleavage site suggests a lab.

00:56:16.740 It was created in a lab.

00:56:18.160 This doesn't come from a natural animal.

00:56:20.260 48 hours later, after talking to Fauci and Colin, suddenly they're all on board with no way was it a lab leak.

00:56:24.760 Right. And there's more evidence of that switch in these papers, these emails.

00:56:28.220 I mentioned Dr. Jeremy Farrar.

00:56:29.940 He's a Brit who seems to me as corrupt as Fauci is in this whole thing.

00:56:33.240 He's now, by the way, the head of the World Health Organization, chief scientist at the World Health Organization.

00:56:41.160 So we need to be concerned about this guy.

00:56:44.040 This has been he's been saying the same stuff as Fauci has, but he was more involved in the draft of this Nature article than we previously knew.

00:56:50.360 There are emails from Feb 10 and Feb 11th the day before the draft was submitted to Nature.

00:56:55.660 These virologists are all coming to this.

00:56:57.500 Oh, so open minded and like ready to go wherever the evidence takes them.

00:57:01.700 And here's one of these virologists emailing another.

00:57:05.100 He says things are moving so quickly, it's hard to keep up.

00:57:07.520 Comments welcome.

00:57:08.440 I favor natural evolution myself, but the furin cleavage site is an issue.

00:57:13.120 I'll have a chat with Jeremy Farrar in a little while to see if we can get you more directly involved.

00:57:17.800 Again, Farrar is kind of saying he had nothing to do with this.

00:57:19.920 OK, well, he was.

00:57:21.400 And then it goes on to say that the other guy responds to him.

00:57:25.540 This is it's well reasoned to provide a plausible argument against genetic engineering.

00:57:30.720 It does not mean the draft of the Nature article eliminate the possibility of inadvertent release following adaptation through selection in culture at the Institute in Wuhan, meaning lab leak.

00:57:42.040 It does not eliminate that possibility.

00:57:44.320 Given the scale of the bat coronavirus research pursued there and the site of emergence of the first human cases.

00:57:50.460 Oh, which were in Wuhan.

00:57:51.900 We have a nightmare of circumstantial evidence to assess.

00:57:56.080 And the other guy says, I agree.

00:57:58.320 Talking to Jeremy Farrar in a few minutes and then goes on to say seems to have been pre adapted for human spread since the get go.

00:58:07.360 Where was that in the Nature article?

00:58:10.000 Why did these open minded virologists not include any of that in there?

00:58:14.300 Because they were trying to spin us.

00:58:16.100 And what what Fauci and Collins did after that Nature article was published was touted from every lectern little Fauci could manage to see over Eliana every single one to shame anybody out of covering it the other way.

00:58:32.780 Megan, you were asking, why isn't the media covering this?

00:58:35.700 Because, you know, they were the ones who were treating Fauci as they he was their appeal to authority.

00:58:42.640 And they were the ones broadcasting every claim he made every day ad nauseum.

00:58:50.040 And by the way, still are.

00:58:52.040 So reporting on this would discredit all of the reporting that they've been doing for the past three years.

00:58:57.900 So they are invested in Fauci as a mythical hero.

00:59:01.640 And I don't expect a tremendous amount of coverage of these new revelations.

00:59:05.780 But by the way, this stuff isn't the Fauci stuff is new, but it is on trend in that we already knew that if you recall, a host of virologists signed a letter to I believe it was Nature magazine in 2020 saying the lab leak theory is crap.

00:59:25.420 And only later, a couple of months later, six months later, maybe it was revealed that Peter Daszak organized that letter.

00:59:33.740 And he that's the same.

00:59:34.820 We're talking about the same thing.

00:59:36.440 So this this, you know, this dirty pool has been happening the entire time.

00:59:40.640 And what we're learning now is that Fauci was at the center of it.

00:59:43.900 All of it.

00:59:44.560 He he was the one who funded the gain of function research through EcoHealth Alliance and Peter Daszak at the Wuhan lab.

00:59:50.340 And Fauci knew that he had done this and that it was likely to come out and he didn't want that for obvious reasons.

00:59:56.560 And now we see the extent of his cover up trying to get all of his BFFs to whom he would later grant.

01:00:02.340 In some cases, some of these virologists got 10 million dollar grants from Fauci shortly after this.

01:00:06.320 He got all of his BFFs to say what he wanted them to say in that Nature article.

01:00:10.300 And they did like good little puppies.

01:00:13.280 And Fauci was off to the races with his fringe conspiracy theorists, lunatics, racists.

01:00:18.800 If you say lab leak, it's just more and more evidence on it.

01:00:21.820 Peter's out every day.

01:00:22.940 And the American public ought to be informed because there are still doubters out there.

01:00:27.000 And there's still people who believe in Fauci, whose edicts on things like vaccines are still haunting many Americans and not just Americans.

01:00:34.760 It's Novak Djokovic, number one tennis player in the world, cannot come to the United States.

01:00:44.120 He couldn't come last year to the U.S. Open.

01:00:46.400 He cannot come in the BNP Paribus Open, which is this month, because the Biden administration is denying him entry.

01:00:54.260 The events begin today because he's unvaccinated, Emily.

01:00:57.780 I was just going to say, imagine being in Australia, imagine being in France, where their government is already kind of freaked out about the social justice ideology being exported from America into the rest of the world.

01:01:13.380 Although I would say France did a lot of exporting of that earlier in the 21st century or in the 20th century, other than they may perhaps like to admit.

01:01:20.420 But imagine being Novak Djokovic and looking at this, seeing how your country was wrecked because the American bureaucracy, I am deeply embarrassed to say, is Byzantine and completely out of control to the point where we're doing gain of function research like this after that pause in 2014, like this in a way that is so unaccountable, so unsafe that there was potentially.

01:01:43.660 And it looks like seriously, and it looks like seriously, according to intelligence assessments, a lab leak that changed the course of world history that left people dead, that left people dead.

01:01:53.080 And the Americans are weaponizing racism to cover their butts and to cover for the Chinese.

01:01:59.300 Just imagine being another country.

01:02:01.100 I'm not saying other countries are are perfect.

01:02:03.160 I'm not saying America is perfect.

01:02:04.700 But what we have done here and what Fauci specifically, the more we learn, like revelations like this, I think, show clearly how embarrassing what he did was for the United States.

01:02:14.760 It's not just a gross statement on our media.

01:02:16.780 It's a statement on how our government and our media are allowing the United States sort of bureaucracy, the most powerful country in the world, the most powerful bureaucracy in the world, to have all of its tentacles and all of these different things around the world, but not be held accountable for them, not hold themselves accountable for them,

01:02:33.600 not be able to monitor the research, not be able to control the research, and it is just like, like I said before, the thing that comes to mind is deeply embarrassing.

01:02:42.980 And to look at what's happening to Djokovic right now, to look at the way he's treated by our media after they helped our elites spread these charges of racism and these false narratives is just like, is so embarrassing as an American.

01:02:56.860 How dare we keep him out at this point, Eliana?

01:02:59.980 How dare we keep him out?

01:03:01.500 He, there was, there were reports early on that he had COVID, right, that they were taking pictures of him.

01:03:07.200 They're like, oh, he's circulating with people while he has, well, if that's true, he's got natural immunity, which we've just learned officially from the liars who have finally come around to admitting that's even better for preventing future cases than the vaccine is.

01:03:19.340 Um, so best case scenario for Novak Djokovic, he's already had it and he should be fine coming into the United States, but let's say he's never had it.

01:03:27.500 Who cares?

01:03:28.660 Who cares?

01:03:29.100 The vaccines, those of us who are vaccinated can still get COVID.

01:03:31.960 Those of us who've had COVID can still get COVID.

01:03:34.420 We talked the other week about Savannah Guthrie, who I guarantee you has had every booster ever invented, who had to run off the Today Show set because she got COVID.

01:03:41.280 The fact that he, that he, yeah, she, and she's had COVID twice and she's had the vaccines.

01:03:46.620 Oh, and he's had it.

01:03:47.700 He's had it twice too.

01:03:49.200 So anyway, the point is, what basis do we have for keeping him out of the country?

01:03:53.200 Him being vaccinated or unvaccinated is not going to affect a single American.

01:03:57.700 It's ridiculous.

01:04:00.860 And I think one of the most maddening things about the COVID epidemic has been, um, the, from the people who say we have to follow the science and who beat us over the head with follow the science, follow the science and tell us, tell, tell folks like us that we don't care about science.

01:04:17.940 Um, they, in fact, are immune to scientific evidence when it doesn't suit their policies or their politics.

01:04:24.580 So the truth is that natural, natural immunity is as good as, um, or better than a vaccine.

01:04:30.900 And yet our policies make no, uh, exception for the unvaccinated if they're naturally immune and the same with mask wearing where for some reason, every medical office I go to in this country requires one of those silly, uh, useless, you know, paper masks.

01:04:46.020 And, you know, my, my, uh, one-year-old's daycare instructors, uh, are still wearing masks.

01:04:51.360 Uh, so that stuff is really frustrating.

01:04:54.240 And I, I do think really undermines the credibility of our medical establishment.

01:04:59.220 Fauci has done, Fauci single-handedly has done an enormous disservice, um, in terms of people like me who, you know, I'm vaccinated.

01:05:08.180 I, I used to trust doctors a lot more than I do now.

01:05:11.700 I look at all of that stuff with a lot more skepticism, um, now after COVID than I did before.

01:05:18.320 Mm-hmm.

01:05:19.060 I know.

01:05:19.820 Um, so now it's got a political angle to it, which is kind of interesting.

01:05:24.000 Ron DeSantis weighing in on the Novak, cause this is, they basically call it the Miami open.

01:05:28.720 Um, he's the governor of Florida and obviously eyeing a presidential run.

01:05:33.140 Um, so he weighs in urging, uh, the Biden administration to, to let him play.

01:05:37.680 Like it's not going to happen.

01:05:39.300 It's the play started today, but, uh, saying the only thing keeping Mr.

01:05:42.980 Djokovic from participating in this tournament is your administration's continued enforcement

01:05:46.200 of a misguided, unscientific and out of date COVID-19 requirement.

01:05:50.100 Even as you enacted the proclamation on air travel that remains in force to this day, your

01:05:55.160 administration pointedly allowed thousands of unvaccinated migrants to enter our country

01:06:00.100 through the Southern border.

01:06:02.360 And reportedly, according to Fox news, he's wondering out loud whether Djokovic could potentially

01:06:07.420 enter the U S by boat.

01:06:10.120 Um, they're citing him as saying, it's not clear to me why, even by the terms of your own

01:06:15.140 proclamation, Djokovic could not legally enter this country via boat.

01:06:20.100 So, so maybe he's going to be on like a little sailboat trying to get in via the Miami port.

01:06:29.100 It's absurd.

01:06:30.300 It's going to be a campaign issue.

01:06:32.020 It'll be used against Joe Biden by the Republican, and it will probably be a more effective hit

01:06:37.580 if it's somebody who doesn't have Trump's record on Fauci and so on.

01:06:43.360 However, Trump would not acknowledge that because we now know Trump is prepared to

01:06:50.060 hit Ron DeSantis on COVID.

01:06:52.620 It's part of his plan, I think, to hit him on COVID.

01:06:55.940 Um, yeah, we now have Trump's five point plan to take down DeSantis.

01:07:00.580 I don't know how we got his five point plan, but we got his five point plan.

01:07:03.520 Axios got his hands on it.

01:07:04.700 And here's what he's going to do to take down DeSantis.

01:07:07.480 One, he's going to say DeSantis used to support, and I'm sure Trump will say he still does,

01:07:11.880 changes to Social Security and Medicare, including votes as a U.S.

01:07:14.520 congressman to raise the eligibility age for Medicare.

01:07:16.880 Number two, disloyal to Trump.

01:07:19.360 That you get.

01:07:20.620 Number three, wants to cast DeSantis as a lackey of Paul Ryan.

01:07:24.920 And we all know how that's going to sound.

01:07:28.260 Number four, DeSantis' response to COVID is a top Trump target, says Axios.

01:07:34.440 Even though the governor is known as being, you know, anti-lockdown, anti-mask mandate

01:07:38.120 and so on, Trump's going to use DeSantis' caution in the earliest days of the pandemic

01:07:42.480 and try to fight the issue to a draw.

01:07:45.400 A March 2020, March 2020 headline in the Tampa Bay Times said DeSantis orders major shutdown

01:07:50.080 of beaches, businesses in Broward and Palm Beach counties.

01:07:54.620 Number five is DeSantis took heat for muddled comments in a Fox News interview last week

01:07:58.440 about whether to maintain financial military support for Ukraine.

01:08:01.480 Trump's going to paint him as wishy-washy on the war, while Trump takes the MAGA line of

01:08:06.220 cutting aid.

01:08:07.580 All very interesting.

01:08:08.700 I'm interested in the five-point plan.

01:08:10.320 I do wonder how the COVID thing is going to go.

01:08:12.680 Thoughts on that, Emily?

01:08:14.040 Yeah, well, to Eliana's point, Trump has a lot to answer for in terms of how he framed the

01:08:19.100 vaccine, because it's not just about masks.

01:08:21.580 It's not just about closings, et cetera, et cetera.

01:08:24.580 What a lot of people have shifted to over time and a lot of reasonable people, you won't

01:08:28.960 hear it in the media, which is afraid, terrified, actually, to broadcast any opinion that goes

01:08:34.120 against what Dr. Fauci insists is the absolute truth, no matter what.

01:08:39.040 But there are a lot of people in this country who have been just absolutely jaded when it comes

01:08:44.200 to the entire medical establishment and its relationship with the political establishment,

01:08:48.540 specifically because of the way the Trump administration, not the Biden administration, but the Trump

01:08:54.480 administration, talked about the vaccine.

01:08:57.600 And so Donald Trump can make that attack on Ron DeSantis.

01:09:01.380 I don't know whether or not it will stick, because a lot of that depends on a head-to-head

01:09:06.100 actual confrontation.

01:09:07.840 What would that look like?

01:09:08.940 We had a lot of great things on paper.

01:09:11.080 Remember, you know, the Republican candidates in 2015 said they were going to use against

01:09:15.700 Donald Trump.

01:09:16.640 And then in practice, they utterly fell apart because he told some hilarious joke and that

01:09:22.020 nobody ever would have predicted.

01:09:23.960 Yeah, exactly.

01:09:24.840 Lil Marco.

01:09:26.040 Right.

01:09:26.560 Remember, he told us how to spell it.

01:09:28.360 L-I-L.

01:09:30.200 It was like L-I-D-D-L-E, right?

01:09:33.140 He did little.

01:09:34.800 But yeah, now he's got Meatball Ron, which is honestly hilarious.

01:09:38.260 I could not have.

01:09:38.820 Oh, wait, there's some other contenders on that.

01:09:41.920 Bloomberg reports Trump is considering new nicknames for Ron DeSantis.

01:09:46.960 Ron Dishonest.

01:09:49.200 Abby, Abby laughed at that one.

01:09:50.660 She likes that one, I guess.

01:09:52.260 Ron Distablishment.

01:09:54.800 Distablishment.

01:09:55.540 And then last but not least, Tiny D.

01:09:59.560 Oh, man, that's that might work.

01:10:02.740 That's pretty good.

01:10:04.280 As good as Meatball Ron.

01:10:05.780 And Meatball Ron is really good.

01:10:07.880 Meatball.

01:10:08.640 Meatball.

01:10:08.960 I don't appreciate the insult to the meatball.

01:10:11.300 I mean, like DeSantis also, but like as a half Italian.

01:10:14.560 No, don't bring the meatball into it.

01:10:16.560 And no man wants to be referred to, as I said before the show, as Tiny in response to

01:10:20.920 which Steve Krakauer said, or Tiny D, which is totally different.

01:10:26.600 Just any master of innuendo.

01:10:30.760 Eliana, what do you make of the five point plan?

01:10:32.380 You know, some of them are stronger than others.

01:10:36.040 I think on COVID, I don't think that's going to be his knockout punch, I'm guessing.

01:10:42.700 But I do think on entitlements, that's the place where Trump has been consistent.

01:10:47.320 And it will be interesting to see where DeSantis lands and what his message on that will be on

01:10:51.700 the campaign trail.

01:10:52.660 And on Ukraine, Trump is right.

01:10:54.660 Trump has a very clear position.

01:10:56.300 He wants out of Ukraine, and we don't know yet.

01:10:59.620 He's right.

01:11:00.420 DeSantis' comment was not clear.

01:11:02.380 So it will be also interesting to see where DeSantis lands.

01:11:06.120 But to the extent DeSantis can articulate clear positions on these things, you know,

01:11:11.980 I think he can punch back.

01:11:14.840 The other thing I would say is Trump has not exactly been known as a guy who sticks to plan.

01:11:20.760 And so I am skeptical that he's going to have a five point plan and execute it cleanly.

01:11:26.600 So we'll see what happens.

01:11:28.680 Right.

01:11:29.340 You raise a good point.

01:11:31.120 This is clearly one of his advisors' five point plan.

01:11:34.620 And whether Trump uses it or not, he will use those nicknames for sure.

01:11:38.540 Who's going to take me on that we're going to hear Tiny D at a debate?

01:11:41.600 I totally believe that.

01:11:44.020 And DeSantis not looking like that much of a meatball these days, I have to say.

01:11:47.640 He's looking pretty slim and slender, last I saw.

01:11:50.960 Calm down, Eliana.

01:11:51.360 I got to say.

01:11:54.560 Calm down.

01:11:56.260 I have to say again, like pejorative use of the meatball.

01:11:59.240 I'm not in support of it.

01:12:00.000 No, it feels wrong to me.

01:12:01.740 All right.

01:12:02.440 You sound like Chris Cuomo.

01:12:04.680 I know.

01:12:05.500 Right.

01:12:05.740 Exactly.

01:12:06.580 Fredo is not a slur.

01:12:07.880 I object to that.

01:12:09.020 That's not correct.

01:12:09.880 Fredo can be used against the right person.

01:12:12.020 And he is that man.

01:12:14.280 Can we just spend one minute?

01:12:16.380 Because there's a bunch of great culture stories that I want to get to you guys with.

01:12:19.480 But John Fetterman is still at Walter Reed Medical Center.

01:12:23.860 He's been there for 18 days plus now, I think, for his severe depression, getting it treated.

01:12:28.360 But now we get a report that from his chief of staff posting a new photo and the tweet is productive morning with Senator Fetterman at Walter Reed discussing the rail safety legislation, farm bill and other Senate business.

01:12:45.180 He's well on his way to recovery.

01:12:47.000 Wanted to be so grateful he is for the well wishes.

01:12:48.800 He is laser focused on Pennsylvania and we'll be back soon.

01:12:52.780 Really?

01:12:53.700 Is he a challenge?

01:12:55.600 I mean, give me a break, Megan.

01:12:59.820 The Beacon had a wonderful piece about how all we heard by our reporter, Chuck Ross, about how all we heard from the Fetterman campaign on the campaign trail was, I got a doctor's note here that says, I am in peak physical condition after my stroke.

01:13:12.820 Oh, another doctor, peak physical condition.

01:13:15.760 I am perfectly fine.

01:13:17.080 And then he gets into office and we hear, oh, he he relapsed because he didn't take the recommended rest.

01:13:24.780 And it's like, wait, on the campaign trail, your doctor's note that you were waving around didn't say the guy needs to rest.

01:13:30.880 Um, we've and again, the mainstream media is not calling the guy out on the completely inconsistent messaging and how he B.S.

01:13:39.580 Uh, well, I got to say, like, it was pretty clear the guy was not well.

01:13:43.080 So I think the people of Pennsylvania rightfully voted this guy.

01:13:45.920 But his campaign spokesmen were lying all over the place about what the actual medical condition of the guy is.

01:13:52.160 And instead, all we get from the mainstream media is lauding his courage for admitting to depression and checking himself in.

01:13:58.640 Um, you know, it's pathetic.

01:14:00.720 Right.

01:14:00.880 And his honesty and being so open about his depression.

01:14:02.880 Oh, really?

01:14:03.520 When you said the people of Pennsylvania rightfully voted him in.

01:14:06.560 Is that what you meant to say?

01:14:08.680 Yeah, I meant to say that, like, it was pretty clear that these doctor's notes were a load of crap.

01:14:13.840 The guy knew what they were doing, impaired.

01:14:16.540 Um, and yet his campaign spokesman and he got, you know, a doctor who was his campaign donor to say he's in peak physical condition.

01:14:23.320 But it was pretty obvious when he debated that this guy was not fit to serve.

01:14:26.900 And yet, like, the people of Pennsylvania did make their choice.

01:14:29.940 They voted him in.

01:14:30.980 He won that election.

01:14:32.220 And they got what they voted for.

01:14:33.920 You know, the guy's hospitalized.

01:14:35.260 Well, one thing I would add to that.

01:14:36.200 But laser focused.

01:14:37.140 Laser focused on PA.

01:14:38.640 Go ahead, Emily.

01:14:39.060 Super quick.

01:14:39.820 I did the math.

01:14:40.920 And it was right after Fetterman won.

01:14:43.300 I always thought he was a better candidate than people expected.

01:14:45.400 But right after he won, I was a little caught off guard.

01:14:47.720 Not because Oz is a great candidate either, but just because the debate performance was so bad.

01:14:51.640 Um, enough votes had been cast by the time that debate happened.

01:14:55.620 As the media had been lying, as Fetterman had been lying, the media had been letting him lie about his condition.

01:15:01.120 More people voted by the time before that debate happened than his margin.

01:15:05.380 So he had enough votes to beat Oz before that debate even happened.

01:15:10.140 And so the media is complicit and continues to be complicit in not serving the constituents of Pennsylvania very well.

01:15:16.800 That's a very good point.

01:15:17.620 There were a couple of newspapers, uh, that, you know, sort of boldly said, this is BS.

01:15:23.180 He's got a debate.

01:15:24.040 And his team managed to stave off that pressure to the end of October.

01:15:28.760 So we were only, what, I don't know, a week or two away from the vote.

01:15:32.200 And as you point out, he had already banked enough by that.

01:15:34.260 It was good calculations by his team, um, which is now laser-like focused on misleading us about what's happening inside of Walter Reed.

01:15:42.540 Uh, that's my dollar.

01:15:43.500 Can't stop this guy from legislating.

01:15:45.140 Yeah, all right.

01:15:46.460 I'm sure.

01:15:47.300 I'm sure.

01:15:47.860 Right after he leaves his, you know, in-depth therapy meetings, he's out there asking about the farm bill.

01:15:53.720 Come on.

01:15:55.040 Anyway, okay.

01:15:55.740 We have to get to Chris Rock on Meghan Markle.

01:15:58.240 We have to get, um, to Meghan.

01:16:00.520 And finally, her son, Archie, gets the title he deserves.

01:16:04.860 Uh, does she no longer think the royal family's racist?

01:16:07.480 And Emily is very fired up about Vanderpump rules.

01:16:12.580 There's a tease for you.

01:16:13.600 Stay tuned.

01:16:14.640 We'll be right back.

01:16:18.260 Lots to get to.

01:16:19.340 First of all, I was off the past couple of days and I didn't get to talk about the Chris Rock special and his comments on Meghan Markle, which I, of course, loved.

01:16:29.720 And here he is, for those who forgot, Meghan Markle was on Oprah a couple years ago complaining about little Prince Archie and he might not get the proper title because the royal family's racist and they might withhold it because she's part black and so is Archie.

01:16:45.680 And then she went on to say, um, they're so racist.

01:16:49.000 There was concern expressed.

01:16:51.140 They were interested in the royal family, but just how dark this baby was going to be.

01:16:55.700 And Chris Rock had some thoughts on that.

01:16:59.520 Seemed like a nice lady.

01:17:02.420 Just complaining.

01:17:03.760 I was like, didn't she hit the light skin lottery?

01:17:08.220 Hit the light skin lottery and still going on complaining.

01:17:14.060 Acting all dumb like she don't know nothing.

01:17:16.240 Some of that she went through was not racism.

01:17:20.140 It was just some in-law.

01:17:24.560 But she's complaining.

01:17:25.900 I'm like, what the is she talking about?

01:17:28.160 Oprah, they're so racist.

01:17:30.200 They wanted to know how brown the baby was going to be.

01:17:34.780 They're so racist.

01:17:36.060 They wanted to know how brown the baby's going to be.

01:17:38.980 I'm like, that's not racist.

01:17:42.340 Because even black people want to know.

01:17:46.240 So well done.

01:17:50.020 So brilliant.

01:17:50.580 And it's like, it's like between that and this South Park thing, Emily.

01:17:53.360 It's like the comedians have a, they do a better job of bringing home someone's stupid,

01:17:59.020 narcissistic, woke BS than, you know, the pundits could take a year to do.

01:18:05.640 And it's taken us like as a culture several years to where comedians and Chris Rock is

01:18:10.400 generally pretty fearless.

01:18:11.320 But as a culture where we feel comfortable laughing at Meghan Markle, because for a while

01:18:15.500 her charges of racism to her critics, that this was sort of any criticism of her was

01:18:20.620 categorically rooted in white supremacy, really cowed a lot of people out of even dealing

01:18:25.140 with it.

01:18:25.560 And I think ended up giving, on a serious note, Meghan Markle and Prince Harry, this

01:18:29.120 whole lot of cultural cash.

01:18:31.420 That's how they got deals with Netflix and Spotify to the tune of millions of dollars.

01:18:35.200 They're involved with the Aspen Institute, which is like kind of censorious.

01:18:39.000 They're critiquing our First Amendment and involved with a First Amendment type of group

01:18:44.540 or a press freedom type of group.

01:18:46.520 And all of that is because they were able to build and build and build on their reputation

01:18:50.420 in the absence of criticism, because so many people were afraid to criticize them in the

01:18:55.180 early years that they were weaponizing those charges of racism.

01:18:57.880 It's not, of course, to say that they didn't get any of it.

01:19:00.160 But to cast, you know, categorically all of the critics as racist has always been ridiculous.

01:19:04.660 People loved Meghan Markle until she started being annoying.

01:19:09.000 And that's when the tide turned.

01:19:12.000 That's actually a very good point.

01:19:13.100 I would like it noted for the record that I was one of the early critics and was onto

01:19:17.360 her game very early on.

01:19:19.480 I was on that Piers Morgan show that wound up in him leaving Good Morning Britain.

01:19:25.040 And we were both ripping on that Oprah interview.

01:19:26.760 It was absurd on its face if you were just objective and not under the woke spell of like,

01:19:30.900 oh, we've got to support her because she's got a black mother.

01:19:33.460 No, this is a nonsense lying person.

01:19:36.600 And if you paid any attention to her, it became apparent pretty quick, quick.

01:19:40.460 The thing is, though, she won't she won't own up to any of this.

01:19:43.880 Now, certainly she's not going to reverse her claim on the racism just because Chris Rock

01:19:47.940 said it, though.

01:19:48.600 Harry seemed to write.

01:19:49.860 He did his book tour, Eliana, and he was like, did she say that?

01:19:52.680 Did she use the term racism?

01:19:54.160 And Tom Bradbury's like, well, she said, you know, that they were concerned about just

01:19:58.080 what color the baby's skin was going to be.

01:19:59.840 And he's like, she didn't use the term racist.

01:20:01.580 So that somehow means that's not what she was implying, even though all the news media

01:20:05.640 ran with.

01:20:06.500 She says there's a racist in the royal family and she never went out to correct them.

01:20:09.960 Will she come out to correct herself?

01:20:11.980 Because she also said the royal family's racist because there's been debates about what title

01:20:16.460 little Archie's going to get.

01:20:18.460 And she suggested that's because she's half black and Archie's one quarter black.

01:20:25.400 And that was her other charge of racism.

01:20:27.820 And now we get the update today via the Daily Mail.

01:20:30.840 Harry and Meghan have christened their daughter, Princess Lilibet Diana, and they have updated

01:20:37.580 the website or will now be updating the website to call little Archie Prince Archie.

01:20:44.680 And the whole concern was when Charles becomes king, will they get what is normally bestowed

01:20:51.040 to the grandchildren of the monarch, which is the title of prince and princess?

01:20:55.240 And she was saying they're talking about not giving that to him.

01:20:58.400 Well, they got it.

01:20:59.480 So are we reversing our claims of racism now or aren't we?

01:21:02.460 Where do we stand on that?

01:21:04.880 So ridiculous to me that Harry on that point acts like he would never say anything negative

01:21:10.900 about his family, if my memory serves correctly, you know, he basically said that of them.

01:21:17.240 And beyond that, these two ditched the royal family, came to the States.

01:21:22.880 It's not clear to me why, having said everything they've said about the royals and the culture

01:21:27.840 of the palace, why they would want these titles for their children.

01:21:32.680 That seems somewhat puzzling to me.

01:21:35.540 Because they have their, they have their titles and they have their royal stationery.

01:21:40.220 And this means nothing to them, but it's super fun to be a royal.

01:21:43.940 So you can pound sand if you don't like it.

01:21:45.820 And they may or may not go to the coronation.

01:21:47.460 They've been invited to the coronation.

01:21:48.940 But these two losers, I mean, as if they're going to skip that.

01:21:51.620 Does anybody believe that?

01:21:52.620 Have they ever chosen to forego a chance to be the center of attention or on cam?

01:21:56.880 They will be there.

01:21:57.880 I mean, Lord knows those Netflix cameras are following them to that coronation.

01:22:01.920 I know.

01:22:02.380 It's their only cultural relevance.

01:22:03.660 But maybe not, because again, like they've had projects scuttled in like the last year.

01:22:09.720 I think interest in them is really waning.

01:22:11.640 There's a lot of interest, obviously, in like people who are willing to criticize them.

01:22:15.820 Like you, Megan, your stuff does really well when you talk about them, because there's

01:22:19.720 a huge market for it that's not being served.

01:22:22.220 Because people are actually like, what are you talking about?

01:22:24.600 You're insulting this country.

01:22:25.800 You're insulting decent human beings.

01:22:27.420 And you're trying to make money and profit off of all of it.

01:22:30.300 And then you want to turn around and use those profits to censor us, to make our lives more

01:22:35.120 unfair, to do all of these different things that is an abuse of your power.

01:22:39.020 And so I think people are absolutely sick of it.

01:22:41.360 So to the extent I actually don't know how much longer they'll really be able to monetize

01:22:45.300 this at the scale that they were originally, because I don't think there's much interest

01:22:49.720 or an appetite for lionizing them, at least right now.

01:22:53.040 And if they aren't going to stop, if they're not going to take any deals that stop short

01:22:57.280 of lionizing them, I mean, their cash cow might be in trouble.

01:23:01.180 They're loathed now.

01:23:02.460 They've lost all their approval.

01:23:04.120 They were above water before their Netflix special and their and the book Spare.

01:23:07.960 And now they're below water.

01:23:09.540 Both of them.

01:23:10.080 They're the least popular royals.

01:23:11.320 They've overtaken Prince Andrew as the least popular royals, and that took some doing.

01:23:15.740 So that's that for them.

01:23:16.660 All right.

01:23:16.860 Chris Rocco goes on in this special to respond for the first time to Will Smith.

01:23:22.680 And it's actually really interesting what he says.

01:23:25.500 He basically suggests he was mad because Jada cheated on him and he was working out his issues

01:23:31.620 on me.

01:23:33.420 Here's a little bit of that.

01:23:34.980 Will Smith practices selective outrage because everybody knows what the fuck happened.

01:23:45.080 Everybody that really knows, knows I had nothing to do with that shit.

01:23:49.100 I didn't have any entanglements for people that don't know what everybody knows.

01:23:54.480 Well, his wife was fucking her son's friend.

01:23:58.680 OK, we all been cheated on.

01:24:00.920 Everybody in here been cheated on.

01:24:02.720 None of us have ever been interviewed by the person that cheated on us on television.

01:24:10.340 None of us like, hey, I was sucking somebody else's dick.

01:24:14.820 How did that make you feel?

01:24:18.120 She hurt him way more than he hurt me.

01:24:21.480 OK.

01:24:22.820 Oh, my gosh.

01:24:24.440 Pretty brilliantly done.

01:24:25.960 Here is the clip to which he was referring.

01:24:28.260 It's Will and Jada Smith on her Red Table Talk, a YouTube show.

01:24:32.720 Where she raised her infidelity with her own husband.

01:24:37.680 Here it is.

01:24:39.340 You know, as time went on, I got into a different kind of entanglement with August.

01:24:45.980 One thing I want to get clear about and clean up, one of the things that was kind of swirling

01:24:50.600 in the press about you giving permission, which is, you know, the only person that can give

01:24:58.640 permission in that particular circumstance is myself.

01:25:03.340 Yes, exactly.

01:25:04.480 Yeah.

01:25:04.980 I think so.

01:25:05.720 I mean, because this is your Red Table and you like brought yourself to the Red Table.

01:25:09.540 I think you need to say clearly what happened.

01:25:13.220 As far as what?

01:25:14.160 You and I decided we were going to take our space and what happened.

01:25:19.540 Yeah.

01:25:19.920 And then I got into an entanglement with August.

01:25:24.140 That's what I said.

01:25:25.320 An entanglement?

01:25:26.380 Yes.

01:25:28.440 Yes.

01:25:29.060 A relationship.

01:25:29.980 Yes.

01:25:30.560 It was a relationship.

01:25:31.760 Absolutely.

01:25:32.140 Oh, boy.

01:25:34.780 So Chris is saying he, Will, was feeling emasculated and angry and took it out on him.

01:25:42.700 It's not a bad theory, ladies.

01:25:44.440 What do you think?

01:25:45.460 I think that's exactly what happened.

01:25:47.080 And by the way, if people haven't watched that full video of their conversation, that

01:25:50.920 Red Table show she has is nuts.

01:25:53.380 Like, it is just off the charts weird.

01:25:56.260 And this is a great example of that.

01:25:58.080 Both of them are just strange people to begin with.

01:26:00.540 But I think Chris Rock's point about the emasculation sort of bubbling and bubbling and

01:26:04.820 bubbling, you can see how his little barb might have tapped into that, especially on

01:26:09.580 a high stress night.

01:26:11.160 And so, like, listen, Will Smith's a weird guy to begin with.

01:26:13.980 But when you are in a high stress situation and you just hit the right nerve, I think that's

01:26:19.360 probably the best explanation.

01:26:20.640 So I totally buy the Chris Rock theory.

01:26:23.340 Oh, I like I have been a fan of Jada's and I understood that she had strayed.

01:26:28.680 Um, but I had never seen that.

01:26:30.960 That is pretty in your face.

01:26:32.640 I mean, it's quite literally in your face, Eliana.

01:26:35.620 Uh, that is something.

01:26:37.040 And I will say, uh, you know, Chris Rock didn't punch back, but that is one hell of a punch

01:26:42.720 back.

01:26:43.800 Right?

01:26:44.340 In his comedy routine.

01:26:45.420 He laid in wait.

01:26:46.480 He laid in wait.

01:26:47.400 And then he walloped him.

01:26:49.060 I know.

01:26:49.460 Pretty well done.

01:26:50.180 Pretty effective.

01:26:50.740 Don't don't punch Chris Rock in the face.

01:26:52.400 Um, here is a little bit more.

01:26:55.940 Um, he first of all, he went on to say the slap still hurts.

01:26:59.120 And he said, the reason I didn't punch him back is because my parents taught me not to

01:27:01.800 fight, not to fight in front of white people.

01:27:04.020 Um, but I will say this is kind of interesting because people are sort of praising Chris Rock

01:27:08.720 and he is a genius.

01:27:09.680 And the special has got a lot of great moments like that.

01:27:12.900 Um, it's not anti-woke.

01:27:15.140 There's quite a few things in there.

01:27:17.000 I don't know.

01:27:17.640 You tell me what you think.

01:27:18.480 Here's just a little bit more for the context and how the true flavor of the whole special

01:27:22.380 is.

01:27:22.760 It's out 11.

01:27:25.040 Everybody trying to be a victim.

01:27:27.620 People that know good and goddamn well being victims like white men.

01:27:36.660 When did white men become victims?

01:27:39.680 White men actually think they lose in the country.

01:27:43.800 To who?

01:27:44.400 White men actually think they lose in the country.

01:27:49.460 Do you believe?

01:27:50.060 Did you see the Capitol riots?

01:27:52.120 White men trying to overthrow the government that they run.

01:27:59.780 I don't know about that one.

01:28:01.400 You know, white men right now, you're applying to college.

01:28:04.100 Would you want to check that box?

01:28:05.800 Is that the box you want to check?

01:28:07.020 I'm a white man.

01:28:08.300 You know, you want to apply to BlackRock right now as a career, as a banker, an analyst.

01:28:13.040 Do you want to check the white man box?

01:28:15.180 I realize these are places where white men used to have power in a majority.

01:28:19.640 They don't anymore.

01:28:21.300 And it's through no fault of their own.

01:28:22.900 As the mother of two future white men, I feel for them because they're going to be,

01:28:27.440 you know, they're going to be forced to pay for a situation they had nothing to do with.

01:28:33.500 And, you know, their their gender and their skin color that they have absolutely no control over.

01:28:39.920 And as you've noted before, Megan, this isn't just errant speculation or random, you know,

01:28:44.840 hypothesizing.

01:28:45.680 This is actually borne out by reporting.

01:28:47.640 This is borne out by obvious shifts in demographics, which aren't a bad thing, but they definitely

01:28:51.780 exist.

01:28:52.560 And so he's not correct.

01:28:54.600 I think he's still funny.

01:28:55.980 And I'm glad that like this is a special that is heterodox.

01:28:58.880 It has anti-left, anti-right, and people can just sit down and enjoy it and have some of

01:29:03.200 their priors challenged in the way that comedy is supposed to do.

01:29:05.960 That's fantastic.

01:29:06.820 I'm glad we're out of space where Netflix is doing that with Chappelle and Chris Rock,

01:29:10.320 because we took it for granted for a while and we saw how fragile that balance was.

01:29:14.000 Great stuff.

01:29:14.540 But it is it is true that there is actually discrimination.

01:29:20.140 Nobody wants to say it.

01:29:21.100 But in like Fortune 500, HR departments, in college admissions, this actually is happening.

01:29:27.720 So whether or not Chris Rock thinks that it's happening, maybe he doesn't see it happening.

01:29:32.420 There are a lot of people who do see it happening.

01:29:34.400 And there are a lot of people, I think, more importantly, who feel it happening.

01:29:36.840 And that's what ends up partially, not fully, but partially motivating people on January 6th

01:29:42.560 to do horrible things to which there's no excuse for.

01:29:45.580 But if we ignore the fact that resentment might be building, we're going to be caught

01:29:49.880 off guard more and more by things like January 6th.

01:29:52.760 Yeah.

01:29:53.200 Eliana, I've told the story before, but I was talking to a friend of mine who's on Wall

01:29:55.940 Street.

01:29:56.400 He's a banker and he's in a position of power.

01:29:58.920 And he had like six people under him and he was told he had to get rid of two.

01:30:04.600 And I guess like there were some in the group who were female.

01:30:08.000 There were some who were black and there were a couple of white guys.

01:30:12.560 And the white guys were the best performers by far, by far, like it wasn't even close.

01:30:17.440 And they were said he was told it cannot be anyone other than a white man.

01:30:22.740 You got to fire the white guys, even though they were the best performer.

01:30:25.880 Like that's messed up.

01:30:28.440 That's like that's stupid for one's bottom line.

01:30:31.400 And I don't know that Chris Rock is getting it like it actually isn't what it used to be.

01:30:35.420 I grant you 50 years ago, you'd want given the choices that that'd be the box you'd want

01:30:39.480 today.

01:30:41.180 It's you're sort of ignoring the the crisis that's going on with a lot of teens who happen

01:30:45.840 to be white, happen to be male to say they've got it made.

01:30:49.640 And it's the way it used to be.

01:30:51.080 It's not to say we don't like diversity.

01:30:52.500 It's not to say we like we don't like other other groups coming into power.

01:30:56.000 But right now, white boys are being held, you know, to account for sins of the past with

01:31:02.700 which they had nothing to do.

01:31:06.120 I think that's pretty obvious.

01:31:08.180 And for any any mainstream institution that's not explicitly conservative, these things are

01:31:15.080 happening.

01:31:15.440 That's why they that is what diversity, equity and inclusion departments do in every place.

01:31:22.700 Google, Facebook, you know, every bank on Wall Street has one of these departments and

01:31:28.140 they issue edicts that require racial bean counting in in hiring.

01:31:34.020 Yeah, it's like I mean, why it's by the way, it's not legal.

01:31:37.760 You can't just fire the white guy because he's white.

01:31:39.840 That's that's still illegal.

01:31:41.260 Just in case people were wondering.

01:31:42.580 All right, let's end it on a nice note, because I'm honestly, I've said this before, but my

01:31:47.740 friend told me to watch Real Housewives of Miami and only the last two seasons.

01:31:51.740 Forget the first three.

01:31:52.580 It's the most delicious thing I've seen in years.

01:31:55.140 I so good.

01:31:55.960 I live for it right now.

01:31:57.120 It's so I'm so sad that it ended like we're waiting for the reunion.

01:32:01.660 And you feel this way, Emily, as I understand it, or have some strong feelings about Vanderpump

01:32:06.640 rules, which is based on Lisa Vanderpump, who used to be part of the Real Housewives of

01:32:10.740 Beverly Hills, and then she left.

01:32:12.060 And now this whole series has been like 10 series long, 10 seasons long about the people

01:32:15.860 who work at one of her restaurants, as I understand.

01:32:17.700 I haven't watched it.

01:32:19.440 But what has you so fired up about Vanderpump rules?

01:32:22.640 I don't say this lightly to either of you, but I am disappointed that neither of you is

01:32:27.480 a Vanderpump rules fan, because this is really the greatest reality show of all time.

01:32:31.500 In my opinion, I think it's competing with Jersey Shore for the top slot.

01:32:34.940 But Vanderpump rules is reality television goal that has been for about 10 years now.

01:32:38.780 And there's a serious point to be made in all of the drama that's unfolding, which

01:32:42.220 sees one main cast member cheating on another main cast member with another main cast member.

01:32:47.480 One of these relationships was nine years long and was destroyed by revelations of cheating

01:32:52.040 that sort of dripped out over the Friday and the weekend.

01:32:55.880 And this is a couple that was cohabitating together for a very long time.

01:32:59.620 The woman did not want to get married or have children.

01:33:01.780 The man did want to get married and have children.

01:33:03.980 And all I wanted to make the point of is it reminds me of this BuzzFeed article that ran

01:33:07.700 about a year and a half ago about how Gen Z is rejecting, quote, sex positivity, a victim

01:33:13.340 of sexual assault in this article said, quote, HBO really did a number on me and pointed at

01:33:18.080 sex in the city and girls shows that glamorized, you know, the sort of sexual revolution, liberty

01:33:23.020 and lifestyle where you can just live with people, sleep with lots of people and not date

01:33:27.380 to marry.

01:33:27.900 And that's empowering and that's fine.

01:33:29.880 And I think Vanderpump rules actually really tragically, but in some ways hilariously document

01:33:34.840 what happens to people.

01:33:36.700 I mean, there's human wreckage that's at stake every single day in the culture, post-sexual

01:33:42.100 revolution in ways people didn't anticipate and in ways that were glamorized.

01:33:45.760 And there's just so much hurt playing out hilariously again on Vanderpump rules right now.

01:33:50.880 But I don't see anybody in the corporate press covering it from a perspective of like, hey,

01:33:55.680 maybe this says something about the way young women and men were taught to date, that we're

01:34:00.760 taught to have sex, we're taught to respect each other.

01:34:03.600 I think it goes beyond a reality show and speaks to the experiences a lot of young women have

01:34:08.380 had over the last 10, 15 years in American culture.

01:34:11.820 So well said.

01:34:12.960 Now I'm kind of into it.

01:34:14.140 So correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the one who got cheated on?

01:34:18.200 So the woman is with the man and the woman got cheated on by the man who would have preferred

01:34:22.680 to have a married lifestyle.

01:34:24.820 Didn't didn't those two get together by cheating to begin with?

01:34:28.860 Allegedly.

01:34:29.420 Yes.

01:34:29.740 At the golden nugget.

01:34:31.560 Oh, the golden nugget.

01:34:32.620 And he was dating another one of the cast members.

01:34:37.520 It is just the most they have like org charts of who slept with who on Vanderpump rules that

01:34:42.140 would blow everyone's mind.

01:34:44.360 You lose them how you get them.

01:34:45.620 That's what they say.

01:34:46.220 That's right.

01:34:46.440 You lose them how you get them.

01:34:47.780 Do not begin a relationship with somebody by cheating and think it's going to last.

01:34:53.400 It isn't.

01:34:54.620 That's my professional political analysis.

01:34:58.160 Ladies, it's been so fun.

01:34:59.220 So wait, just just my parting words.

01:35:01.300 Do I need to go back and start?

01:35:03.120 Should I get into Vanderpump rules, Emily?

01:35:05.120 Yeah.

01:35:05.400 For people who haven't seen it start at the beginning because those early seasons are the

01:35:09.080 best and they're super, super watchable.

01:35:11.280 They're very bingeable.

01:35:12.600 And, you know, the for all of the serious stuff that I just laid out, they're pretty

01:35:17.120 lighthearted.

01:35:17.840 Well, I mean, I'm in a dry period right now because my Miami gals have gone away.

01:35:20.800 I have very strong feelings about all of them.

01:35:22.360 We can talk about that on another day.

01:35:24.200 Wonderful to see you both.

01:35:25.260 Thanks for being here.

01:35:25.940 Thanks, Megan.

01:35:26.960 Thanks, Megan.

01:35:27.700 All right.

01:35:28.260 We're going to be back tomorrow with Stephen Crowder and Bridget Phetasy is back on the

01:35:32.540 show.

01:35:32.740 Looking forward to that.

01:35:37.120 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

01:35:39.300 No BS, no agenda and no fear.

01:35:41.840 Thank you.

The Megyn Kelly Show - March 08, 2023

Tucker's 1⧸6 Footage, Fauci's Lies, and Chris Rock's Special, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson ｜ Ep. 507

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