The Megyn Kelly Show - Tucker's Next Move, Harry's Quick UK Trip, and Trump's Wild Deposition, with Dan Wootton, Maureen Callahan, and Robert Gouveia

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.780 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.280 Here we are again, Monday, and another mass shooting in America, this time at a mall in Allen, Texas.

00:00:22.940 The shooter was a 33-year-old Army veteran.

00:00:25.120 Just learning as we go to air, per local ABC News in Dallas, the shooter was removed from the Army in 2008 for mental health concerns.

00:00:34.520 What a shock.

00:00:35.900 Nonetheless, the guy went on to get a license to work as a security guard, which we believe was his current profession.

00:00:43.040 On Saturday, he killed eight people, including at least one child, and wounded at least seven others.

00:00:47.880 The motive is still unclear, but police say they are investigating whether the shooter, who was Hispanic, had neo-Nazi sympathies based on a patch he wore that read RWDS.

00:01:00.260 Police say that meant right-wing death squad, something cops identified as a far-right group online.

00:01:07.460 Police also say he had several white supremacist posts on his social media, though, as far as we're aware, none has yet been released.

00:01:14.840 He was killed by a cop who just happened to be at the mall.

00:01:19.400 The mall had been declared a gun-free zone, a gun-free zone.

00:01:23.800 Thank God that cop was there.

00:01:26.060 I don't know about you, but I'm sick, sick, sick of opening up Twitter or watching the news to learn there's been yet another mass shooting in America.

00:01:33.580 Sick of it.

00:01:34.820 We have been over and over and over this.

00:01:37.280 I have hosted countless debates.

00:01:38.720 I have been as open-minded as anyone in this country to a possible change in laws that might diminish the chances of more of these happening.

00:01:46.720 I am not some huge Second Amendment person, and I am not blind to possible change on either side.

00:01:55.460 But nothing has worked to stop these shootings, and nothing proposed by these gun control advocates will work.

00:02:02.380 I'm sorry, but the jury is in.

00:02:04.720 We are not getting guns out of America, and the changes we always default to debating in the wake of these things will not stop mass shootings.

00:02:11.380 It's time to focus on other remedies.

00:02:13.160 It is time to focus on other remedies.

00:02:16.740 Stop hijacking the debate, gun control advocates, zealots.

00:02:21.200 It's like getting alligators out of the Everglades or tarantulas out of Mexico or sharks out of the ocean.

00:02:28.220 It's not going to happen.

00:02:29.900 There are too many, too many.

00:02:32.220 We're too late to reverse this trend.

00:02:34.720 There are 434 million guns in America.

00:02:39.080 434 million, according to the Trade Association for the U.S. Firearm Industry.

00:02:44.600 Some 70% of those are semi-automatic guns.

00:02:47.560 That's over 300 million.

00:02:52.120 Those AR-15s, the left is desperate to ban.

00:02:55.700 That's where they go after all these shootings.

00:02:58.320 There are about 20 million of those.

00:03:00.600 We could ban AR-15s tomorrow, and we would still have 300 million semi-automatic guns here.

00:03:06.980 Just about one for every person in America.

00:03:09.820 For what it's worth, such a ban would never be upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court,

00:03:13.140 which allows these bans only if the outlawed gun is considered unusual and uncommon.

00:03:18.700 The 20 million AR-15s will not qualify.

00:03:23.140 Handguns are the most common weapon in America,

00:03:25.500 and they are by far the most common gun used in mass shootings in this country.

00:03:31.840 The deadliest school shooting of all at Virginia Tech was committed entirely with semi-automatic pistols.

00:03:39.600 Pistols, meaning handguns, that fire one bullet per one trigger squeeze.

00:03:44.960 That's what we mean by semi-automatic pistol.

00:03:47.560 One bullet per one trigger squeeze.

00:03:50.280 AR-15s are essentially the rifle, meaning long gun, version of those.

00:03:54.760 Version of the semi-automatic pistol.

00:03:56.700 And they have been used in several high-profile, terrible mass shootings.

00:04:00.580 Yes, they have.

00:04:01.960 From Sandy Hook to the Vegas massacre,

00:04:03.860 which was the worst mass shooting of all time in the U.S.

00:04:06.480 The point is, ban the AR-15 tomorrow.

00:04:09.500 Go ahead and do it.

00:04:10.560 And even if the high court were to uphold the ban,

00:04:12.620 there'd still be 300 million pistols, just like the AR-15 in America.

00:04:17.020 The guns already favored in the vast majority of mass shootings.

00:04:20.020 We're not getting rid of these guns.

00:04:21.880 Why are we deluding ourselves?

00:04:23.720 Why?

00:04:24.200 I think it's because people get desperate.

00:04:26.060 They get so upset by the mass shootings, as do I.

00:04:28.640 Trust me.

00:04:29.160 I have three young children, and they just look for something to blame.

00:04:34.420 You know, maybe I am guilty of doing it, too, when it comes to mental health services.

00:04:38.160 Maybe I'm deluding myself that those can actually help stop.

00:04:41.660 But at least there's a shot in that lane, in the gun lane.

00:04:45.260 There's no shot.

00:04:47.020 We've been doing this.

00:04:49.060 We had an assault weapons ban, which was in place from 1994 through 2004.

00:04:54.240 It failed.

00:04:56.140 The DOJ's own study of the ban concluded it did not reduce gun violence.

00:05:00.940 Okay, that's the government's study.

00:05:03.760 Two other studies done more recently in 2020 concluded the same.

00:05:07.540 Gun violence committed with the banned weapons under the assault weapons ban went down.

00:05:13.200 But, quoting from the DOJ study here, the decline was offset by steady or rising use of other guns.

00:05:21.020 Duh.

00:05:22.400 It's a free and vast country.

00:05:24.660 We are going to have people who want to kill, sometimes on a mass scale.

00:05:30.740 Sometimes they use cars.

00:05:32.680 We saw that in Texas, too, yesterday.

00:05:35.140 A second mass event.

00:05:37.300 When a Hispanic man mowed down and killed the same number of people killed in that mass shooting at the mall,

00:05:44.220 most of whom were migrants outside of a migrant facility.

00:05:47.360 They're still trying to determine the motive.

00:05:48.920 Don't forget what happened in Waukesha at the Christmas parade as that guy mowed down those innocent folks marching in the parade.

00:05:58.060 Sometimes they use bombs, as we saw in Boston at the marathon.

00:06:02.580 Murderers find a way.

00:06:04.840 They ignore the multitude of gun laws already on the books.

00:06:09.080 That's why we've seen so many mass shootings, not just in states like Texas,

00:06:14.080 but in blue states like New York and Connecticut and California.

00:06:19.740 I've said it before and I will say it again.

00:06:22.320 What we need, more than anything, is better mental health services in America.

00:06:27.060 It won't solve it, but it actually would help.

00:06:30.260 Better facilities for the mentally unwell and insane.

00:06:34.600 A new kind of institution that is as secure as a prison,

00:06:37.960 but that could provide humane conditions for those deemed to be a threat.

00:06:42.140 And we could establish a reasonable review panel to protect said person's civil liberties with appropriate reviews.

00:06:48.640 Right now, if you know your kid's a sociopath and there are parents out there who do,

00:06:52.380 I've interviewed them and I will be bringing you one such parent soon.

00:06:56.060 And you suspect your child may be the next mass shooter.

00:06:59.580 Trust me, these parents are out there.

00:07:01.420 There's nothing to do with your kid.

00:07:03.640 Psychiatrists will tell you they cannot counsel someone out of sociopathy or psychopathy.

00:07:08.840 Law enforcement will tell you they can't lock somebody up who hasn't committed a crime.

00:07:13.480 The standard for psychiatric institutionalization is too high.

00:07:17.940 It's impossible.

00:07:20.080 We need to fortify soft targets like schools and malls.

00:07:24.260 What parent wouldn't feel better knowing there's a good guy with a gun at their child's school

00:07:28.900 like there happened to be at this mall?

00:07:32.420 The carnage this weekend would have been far worse in Texas

00:07:35.320 if that hero cop had not just happened to be there.

00:07:38.840 These aren't all the solutions, but we need to stop getting mired in

00:07:42.260 and immobilized by the never-ending gun debate.

00:07:47.280 It too often prevents us from taking other unnecessary action.

00:07:51.500 The left refuses to get off the guns to the point where these self-aggrandizing lawmakers

00:07:56.960 down in Nashville, Tennessee, remember them?

00:07:58.840 Threw a childish fit.

00:08:00.380 They had a tantrum on the floor of the statehouse

00:08:02.600 when the legislature wanted to pass a law fortifying soft targets

00:08:05.980 instead of focus exclusively on gun control.

00:08:08.440 Well, thank goodness the lawmakers went ahead with their business anyway

00:08:11.020 over the ridiculous protests of the guy with a megaphone trying to lead his supporters.

00:08:17.040 It's time to shame the gun control zealots for stopping any other reasonable debates

00:08:21.640 around these shootings.

00:08:23.400 I will offer my thoughts and prayers.

00:08:25.860 I will stop trying to shame me for doing that.

00:08:29.320 We need God in those moments more than any other.

00:08:31.980 And just because you're not part of the gun control cult doesn't make it inappropriate.

00:08:37.380 It is not inappropriate to share your thoughts and your prayers for the victims

00:08:41.580 just because you don't see gun control measures as a solution

00:08:44.900 because they haven't been in any state.

00:08:47.800 And I will continue starting discussions about other remedies in the wake of these shootings.

00:08:52.140 That's where I'm going to go each time.

00:08:53.300 And discussions about other remedies such that we at least stand a chance

00:08:58.240 of reducing these mass events.

00:09:02.280 By the way, if you would like to hear a Megyn Kelly show debate on gun control

00:09:07.000 with both sides represented by reasonable people,

00:09:10.340 check out episode 248, which was one of a series that we do on the show

00:09:15.440 where we have these fair and balanced debates with two reasonable people.

00:09:18.720 And we covered all the angles and you might actually learn something true

00:09:22.280 instead of just being a victim to all the leftist nonsense that's out there.

00:09:28.600 All right.

00:09:29.080 That's what I wanted to say on the gun situation.

00:09:31.440 And our thoughts and prayers do go out to those down in Texas who are suffering right now.

00:09:36.180 You never want to forget the families and you never want to forget the victims.

00:09:40.100 Eight dead, not including the shooter, of course.

00:09:42.400 And we'll learn more about him and whether the right wing white supremacy stuff turned out to be true.

00:09:49.440 I want to switch gears now and talk about the latest in the Fox News Tucker Carlson saga,

00:09:55.380 because it's it's coming down to the last wire here.

00:09:59.920 There was a report out via Axios this past weekend on Saturday.

00:10:06.340 It hit and the headline was Tucker Carlson ready to torch Fox News.

00:10:11.960 Tucker Carlson is preparing to unleash allies to attack Fox News,

00:10:15.360 unleash allies to attack Fox News in an effort to bully the network

00:10:19.180 into letting him work for or start a right wing rival.

00:10:24.060 Sources close to Tucker tell Axios.

00:10:26.940 Brian Friedman.

00:10:27.540 This is the guy who represents me as well.

00:10:29.900 The high powered Hollywood lawyer Carlson retained for the contract dispute told Axios,

00:10:33.580 quote, the idea that anyone's going to silence Tucker and prevent him from speaking to his audience is beyond preposterous.

00:10:41.960 They go on to say that Axios has learned Tucker is plotting a media empire of his own,

00:10:47.680 but he needs Fox to let him out of his contract, which expires in January 2025 post the election.

00:10:54.480 OK, after the presidential election, we're told Carlson has been contacted by outlets,

00:10:59.340 including the right wing Rumble and Newsmax that offered to pay him more than his Fox contract,

00:11:05.320 which the Wall Street Journal reported was around 20 million dollars a year.

00:11:08.840 They should know they're owned by the same people that the Fox News channel is owned by.

00:11:13.320 They go on to say Carlson and Elon Musk had a conversation about working together, but did not discuss specifics.

00:11:21.120 Carlson confidence say he's also contemplating building a direct to consumer media outlet where his millions of fans could pay to watch him.

00:11:28.080 The ousted host knows where a lot of bodies are buried and is ready to start drawing a map, said a Carlson source.

00:11:35.660 Carlson allies with big platforms are prepared to attack Fox for trying to keep them on the shelf.

00:11:39.560 Bare knuckled brawlers from Trump world are standing by.

00:11:43.120 They're coming to Tucker and saying, do you want me to hit Fox?

00:11:46.240 A close Carlson friend said he's been saying, no, I want to get this done quiet and clean.

00:11:50.380 Now we're going from peacetime to DEFCON 1, the friend added.

00:11:55.180 His team is preparing for war.

00:11:56.820 He wants his freedom.

00:11:58.340 Here's what I can tell you.

00:12:00.400 The Carlson team believes Fox News is not negotiating in good faith.

00:12:04.600 And they are counting on allies to go out there and send a message to Fox News to turn off the dial at 8 p.m.

00:12:12.160 To turn off the dial, period, on Fox News.

00:12:15.140 The word boycott is being used.

00:12:16.920 It's already happening at least at 8 and to a lesser extent throughout the primetime of Fox News.

00:12:23.020 The ratings continue to be in the toilet as we've been bringing to you.

00:12:26.280 I'll pull them up just the latest because when we were on the air on Friday, we didn't have.

00:12:32.880 We didn't have Thursday's ratings yet.

00:12:34.720 They come out late in the afternoon at 8 p.m.

00:12:37.740 They got a 181 in the demo.

00:12:39.880 Good God.

00:12:41.100 That's more than a 50 percent drop from Tucker's in his last week on air.

00:12:45.700 I mean, honestly, I've been in the primetime at Fox.

00:12:50.860 That's disgusting.

00:12:51.680 It's a terrible, terrible number.

00:12:53.240 There's no way of spinning it otherwise.

00:12:54.900 It, of course, sets up the rest of the primetime to fail.

00:12:58.420 9 p.m. didn't get a lot more.

00:12:59.840 They got 8,000 more than that in the demo.

00:13:01.800 189.

00:13:02.960 And the 10 p.m.?

00:13:04.580 Well, they lost to MSNBC.

00:13:07.760 OK.

00:13:08.400 They lost.

00:13:10.080 That's not what you want.

00:13:11.560 And that's really what will cause panic.

00:13:13.700 Ingram got 156 in the demo.

00:13:16.160 She lost in the demo in the overall as well.

00:13:18.420 That's what causes a panic inside Fox News.

00:13:20.340 If they lose a month to MSNBC, heads are going to roll over there.

00:13:23.640 They're going to have to do something.

00:13:24.740 They'll have to surrender somehow.

00:13:26.400 They got to stop the bleeding.

00:13:27.520 They may be talking tough right now with Tucker.

00:13:29.280 Here's what they want to do.

00:13:30.820 They want they have they have canceled his show, but they haven't fired him.

00:13:35.440 So they still have him under their control, under their thumb.

00:13:37.480 And they want Tucker to sit there on his couch and just cash his Fox checks and basically be immobilized by Fox News.

00:13:45.280 He rendered mute where he can't say anything between now and January 2025.

00:13:53.180 Some of his fans might enjoy Tucker's insights on things like the DeSantis announcement that's undoubtedly coming any day now.

00:13:59.720 Who's going to be the actual nominee for the Republican Party?

00:14:04.000 What's happening on the Dem side as Joe Biden has some 30 percent of his party rooting for somebody else?

00:14:09.580 What happens during the presidential debates?

00:14:11.720 What about the messaging at the conventions?

00:14:13.720 What's going to happen when they get out there and start slinging muds via ads?

00:14:16.640 You might like to see Tucker's thoughts on that.

00:14:19.160 What about the war in Ukraine, which has very few dissenting voices like Tucker's out there?

00:14:23.440 Is that one of the reasons he was silenced?

00:14:25.260 We know the Murdochs talked to Zelensky weeks before Tucker was axed.

00:14:29.060 They said that Tucker's name did not come up.

00:14:31.260 But what is the reason?

00:14:33.140 We're two weeks later now.

00:14:35.280 We still don't know.

00:14:36.320 He still doesn't know.

00:14:37.400 His lawyers don't know.

00:14:38.720 No one will tell them he's been completely silenced.

00:14:42.240 His show has been canceled.

00:14:43.680 No one will tell him why.

00:14:44.720 And even Fox News does not appear to be arguing that there was cause for the termination.

00:14:48.200 Notwithstanding all the leaks you see in the papers, they're not arguing cause because

00:14:52.960 Fox News hasn't fired him and is still paying him his salary.

00:14:57.400 If they had cause to fire him, they'd cancel the show.

00:15:03.060 They'd fire Tucker.

00:15:04.160 They would not pay him the money.

00:15:05.840 And they could keep him silent.

00:15:07.600 That's like all the best of the world.

00:15:10.120 But they didn't do that.

00:15:12.000 Even they know they didn't have cause, notwithstanding the bullshit leaks you're reading about.

00:15:16.440 But none of which makes Tucker look bad anyway.

00:15:19.300 So they're really hoping that Tucker will either just abide by it to get his 30 million bucks

00:15:24.800 or that he'll breach.

00:15:26.380 And then they don't have to pay him anything and they'll take him to court to try to silence

00:15:29.680 him.

00:15:30.500 And that's what I think Tucker should do.

00:15:32.700 Tucker should breach.

00:15:34.740 He should come out.

00:15:35.660 He should talk.

00:15:36.480 He should start a rival news network.

00:15:38.300 He should quit.

00:15:39.080 He should forfeit the money.

00:15:39.880 He'll make more money anyway, whether it's Rumble, Newsmax, Patrick Beck, David's organization

00:15:45.440 launching his own situation, any of it.

00:15:48.880 He should breach and forfeit the money and then let Fox News take him to court.

00:15:54.080 And the sole issue will be whether they have the right to silence him for the entire election

00:15:58.200 season.

00:15:58.540 The guy who served them loyally for a decade, the guy who kept them number one in the APM

00:16:03.400 time slot after losing Bill O'Reilly through the Trump era, despite enormous attacks on

00:16:08.660 him by the New York Times and everyone on the left, that guy, whether the thanks for

00:16:12.980 that should be F you, you're getting no money, you're fired, not for cause, and you must be

00:16:19.420 silent.

00:16:19.920 That's an F you to his fans.

00:16:21.500 That's what that is.

00:16:22.340 That's an F you to his fans.

00:16:25.120 And what Tucker seems to be asking for, you read the Axios report, is for his fans to help

00:16:29.840 him out right now and increase the pressure on Fox News so that they just let him out.

00:16:35.380 Well, you fired him.

00:16:36.140 Let him go.

00:16:37.160 Such a threat.

00:16:38.240 You that scared?

00:16:39.600 Are you that terrified?

00:16:40.800 You can't replace your numbers at eight?

00:16:42.960 Why?

00:16:43.880 Did fine after Bill left.

00:16:45.160 Thanks to Tucker.

00:16:46.580 You don't you don't have somebody else you believe in can put points on the board.

00:16:51.200 You're that scared.

00:16:53.780 This is what's going on.

00:16:55.080 So unless Tucker's fans do a hard pass on the eight and the entire primetime and perhaps

00:17:01.820 the channel, they're not going to bend the knee.

00:17:05.500 Fox News and continue to torture the guy and make him sit on the sidelines.

00:17:09.380 Yes, I understand it's not torture to pay him 30 million bucks, but he doesn't want the

00:17:12.780 money.

00:17:13.060 As you may know, Tucker's independently wealthy anyway.

00:17:15.380 He wants to get out there and do the news.

00:17:17.380 He was doing the news.

00:17:18.860 He did nothing wrong.

00:17:20.380 There's no cause for termination.

00:17:21.700 He just wants to keep using his voice for you.

00:17:23.820 The audience Fox News fostered a relationship with for him.

00:17:28.160 Right.

00:17:28.800 So the whole thing is grossly unfair.

00:17:31.320 Now, in in the context of all this, we get a piece from Rolling Stone and the headline

00:17:36.560 there is inside the death match that helped doom Tucker Carlson at Fox.

00:17:43.300 Now, their theory is that back in 2020, Tucker tried to get my old pal, Irina Briganti, the

00:17:50.980 head of the Fox PR department, fired.

00:17:53.000 And that this was, quote, a clear suicide mission, citing one source of Fox News, that

00:18:00.780 Irina proved too powerful.

00:18:02.460 They say he attempted to get her fired, that he attempted to force her out.

00:18:08.440 He made his case to Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott, Fox chief legal officer of Yat-Din, Murdoch

00:18:13.580 family heir Lachlan Murdoch, and even personalities such as Sean Hannity.

00:18:17.460 In pleading his case, Carlson argued Briganti spent too much time badgering on air talent.

00:18:23.520 Yes.

00:18:24.200 And the channel's personnel that she was generally incompetent and mean spirited.

00:18:28.380 OK, that's understating it.

00:18:31.560 And that she regularly engaged in dirty tricks against him and other hosts and contributors

00:18:36.600 when her job was ostensibly to protect them.

00:18:40.060 Yes, that's all true.

00:18:42.220 I lived that firsthand.

00:18:44.000 The only reason I'm able to tell you any of this is because I refused to sign a nondisclosure

00:18:47.160 when I left Fox, though, trust me, they tried.

00:18:50.420 I said, you're offering me all this money to renew.

00:18:52.260 I've chosen to do something else.

00:18:53.860 Why would I sign a nondisclosure?

00:18:55.420 I don't I don't need to.

00:18:57.060 Why should I?

00:18:58.120 And they got very upset and they withheld a couple of months of my salary, even though

00:19:01.620 they owed it to me.

00:19:03.160 Yeah, that's what they did.

00:19:04.260 Just to try to force me to sign it.

00:19:06.660 Well, I didn't.

00:19:08.120 And I, too, had to forfeit pay.

00:19:10.120 It was absolutely absurd.

00:19:11.980 These guys are bullies.

00:19:13.640 They're bullies.

00:19:14.600 And all the talent at Fox News that's listening right now who are, I guarantee you, more on

00:19:18.680 my side than they are on Fox's side.

00:19:20.640 They're 100 percent with me on Irina Burganti.

00:19:22.880 Trust me.

00:19:24.360 You could be next.

00:19:26.040 I left on the best of terms.

00:19:27.880 These guys were down on one knee with a bouquet of roses begging me to stay.

00:19:31.120 I left with a handshake and a wish of goodwill.

00:19:34.260 And then they did this stuff to me.

00:19:36.340 Withholding the salary, trying a strong army and deciding a nondisclosure.

00:19:39.200 And then bit by bit attacking me day after day after day when I was on the air at NBC.

00:19:44.520 P.S.

00:19:44.860 They weren't the only ones.

00:19:46.180 That's all I'm legally permitted to say.

00:19:49.700 That's them.

00:19:50.980 So now here they are with Fox.

00:19:55.520 With Tucker.

00:19:57.020 And the piece goes on to say that what might have been behind his ultimate firing was this

00:20:02.600 woman, Irina, that one source with knowledge of the matter described the Carlson-Burganti

00:20:07.820 feud as an intranetwork deathmatch.

00:20:10.960 They say despite Carlson's high ratings, influence on Republican political circles and hyper-devoted

00:20:14.860 fan base, he lacked the juice to oust Briganti.

00:20:18.480 Her ties to other top executives were too tight for Carlson to overcome.

00:20:22.960 In some cases, executives laughed off Carlson's attempt to get her fired, assuring him and

00:20:27.860 others that Briganti was not going anywhere anytime soon.

00:20:30.400 I don't know whether that's true.

00:20:32.280 I actually don't know whether that's true, whether they thought this is a laughing matter,

00:20:36.960 because I'll tell you something else that I've never reported before.

00:20:39.480 However, when I was deciding whether to stay or leave Fox News, the Murdochs offered to

00:20:46.540 fire Irina Briganti to keep me.

00:20:50.020 That happened at the apartment of Rupert Murdoch.

00:20:52.780 I was there with my husband, Doug, and they understood that she had been so attacking me

00:20:57.080 and the other women of Fox News who did not back Roger Ailes in the sexual harassment scandal

00:21:01.660 that we might have reached a point where she had to go.

00:21:05.180 If that's what it was going to take, they were prepared to fire her.

00:21:08.240 And I said to them, I'm not in the business of having people fired.

00:21:12.380 And I meant that.

00:21:13.520 I had her neck on a chopping block and I refused to swing the axe.

00:21:17.500 I meant that.

00:21:18.960 You know what?

00:21:19.520 It was a mistake because she went on to continue her reign of terror at Fox News.

00:21:26.120 Ask any of the talent there, off the record reporters, go ask any of the talent how they

00:21:30.840 feel about this woman and whether she's made their working situations more bearable, more

00:21:35.320 pleasant, more palatable, more of a non-hostile place to work.

00:21:40.460 OK, so I believe they would fire Irina Briganti.

00:21:43.660 But the problem is now she's got stuff on him.

00:21:46.620 I don't know what she's amassed.

00:21:47.740 I don't know what she's threatening.

00:21:49.100 And I don't know whether she's behind all these leaks.

00:21:51.420 It's just a theory.

00:21:52.800 I just know she's capable of it.

00:21:54.280 She's done it to me repeatedly.

00:21:55.280 She's done it to others repeatedly.

00:21:56.640 Why wouldn't she do it to Tucker?

00:21:57.820 As I told you, she actually taped me on the air in the commercial breaks when I went on

00:22:01.560 Tucker's show post-employment at NBC.

00:22:04.220 Post.

00:22:05.380 In any event, that was what was reported to me by Fox Insiders.

00:22:10.720 I don't believe that Tucker's objections to this woman who they were ready to fire in

00:22:15.800 2017, late 16, would have gotten him fired.

00:22:20.560 No, that's not what happened.

00:22:22.380 So it was a nice try by the Rolling Stone piece, but they didn't get there.

00:22:26.100 That's not what did it.

00:22:27.960 We still don't know.

00:22:29.000 Maybe we never will.

00:22:32.140 I've got serious problems with the way they're handling this, with their lack of ethics.

00:22:37.240 And I really hope Tucker prevails in this battle.

00:22:39.920 I don't think it's normal for a company to try to ruin a loyal employee once he or she

00:22:46.960 leaves the company.

00:22:48.040 That's what a cult does.

00:22:49.720 That's what a cult does.

00:22:52.880 It elevates the supreme leader, tries to get the entire cult talking about how special he

00:22:59.360 is, trying not to contradict him, tries to create an aura around that man, tries to make

00:23:05.040 everyone understand we're all in this together.

00:23:07.360 Don't step outside.

00:23:08.740 It's us versus them.

00:23:10.600 If you step outside, as I said last week, it's Omerta.

00:23:13.160 It's the mob rule.

00:23:14.040 You're dead to us.

00:23:15.080 You're dead.

00:23:16.220 No one's supposed to have contact with you.

00:23:17.460 You're otherized.

00:23:19.020 That's not normal.

00:23:21.180 That's not a normal, healthy, non-hostile work environment.

00:23:24.720 All right.

00:23:25.420 And if a company decides to try to ruin its talent, even in our disgusting, toxic media

00:23:30.220 industry, tries to ruin a talent just for wanting to leave or, in Tucker's case, just for wanting

00:23:36.140 to go against the grain, to have differing opinions that may not be approved by the owners

00:23:41.300 of the company, that's fine.

00:23:43.160 You can actually fire a guy over that.

00:23:45.180 That's fine.

00:23:45.560 You can fire him.

00:23:46.220 It's not for cause.

00:23:47.180 You have to pay him out.

00:23:48.440 But if the company engages in a concerted effort to ruin said personality by planting

00:23:53.820 hit piece after hit piece and leaking whatever clip and privileged documents or confidential

00:24:00.300 redacted documents after another, or allows it to be done without aggressively fighting

00:24:06.220 to stop it, that's a prior material breach.

00:24:09.020 That's a minimum of a breach of the covenant of good faith and fair dealing.

00:24:11.860 And I would take that case to court easily if I were the one getting screwed.

00:24:16.300 So I believe Fox has breached this deal and Tucker should be released from all obligations.

00:24:20.780 And I'm sure he would enjoy the fight.

00:24:22.300 I'm sure Brian Friedman would enjoy the fight and be fun to watch from the outside.

00:24:25.620 But I think what's best for America, for Fox and for Tucker at this point, is for them

00:24:29.860 to take the hand that he offered them, shake it, because he was trying to be a gentleman

00:24:34.940 even though they just fired him unceremoniously after having said that they wanted to renew his

00:24:40.400 deal until 2029.

00:24:42.860 Okay?

00:24:44.540 And walk away.

00:24:46.600 Let him go earn his money elsewhere.

00:24:49.220 Try to rebuild your ratings at eight with the audience you betrayed and be a grown up about

00:24:54.120 it.

00:24:54.260 Be the tough guys you want us to believe you are.

00:24:56.640 Okay?

00:24:56.900 That's your reputation.

00:24:57.880 You're so tough.

00:24:58.700 Got all the shows made about you.

00:25:00.160 Let's see it.

00:25:01.220 Let's see some of that mental toughness now.

00:25:03.740 This swagger now.

00:25:05.360 Because right now, you look like a bunch of cowering weaklings.

00:25:09.400 Cowering weaklings.

00:25:11.600 So that's what I know.

00:25:13.300 Today, Monday, May 8th in the year 2023.

00:25:19.160 We're going to be right back with the latest on the Trump defamation trial.

00:25:22.500 You have got to hear the Trump soundbites.

00:25:25.380 He sat for a deposition.

00:25:26.680 I've never heard anything like it.

00:25:28.500 I can't wait to share these with you.

00:25:30.380 And later, for a bit of the dessert after the red meat, we're going to get to Dan Wooten

00:25:35.820 and talk about the coronation over the weekend and the very latest on the Duchess of Duplicity.

00:25:41.600 Several new developments in the death of Jordan Neely.

00:25:49.100 He's the homeless man put into a chokehold by a New York subway rider after Neely threatened passengers,

00:25:55.520 including, we now know, that subway rider.

00:25:57.840 Local media reporting the Manhattan DA's office could convene a grand jury to consider criminal charges this week.

00:26:04.340 This, as in another case, former President Donald Trump, in another courthouse in Manhattan,

00:26:10.260 declining to testify in the civil trial underway regarding allegations that he raped writer E. Jean Carroll back in the 1990s.

00:26:21.100 This is a defamation case that she's brought because he denied it and insulted her in the process.

00:26:26.720 So while the statute of limitations on rape has expired, she can still get him for defamation.

00:26:31.620 The underlying rape is at issue.

00:26:34.140 Closing arguments happening right now.

00:26:36.560 Joining us now to discuss it all, Robert Gouveia, a criminal defense attorney and host of Watching the Watchers.

00:26:42.040 Robert is following these stories closely on his platforms.

00:26:44.280 Robert, welcome back to the show.

00:26:46.280 Hey, Megan. Thank you for having me.

00:26:47.820 Yeah, great to see you.

00:26:48.540 So let's start with the grand jury now is considering whether the man who had the homeless Neely in a chokehold ought to be charged.

00:27:02.780 And here's my question.

00:27:04.600 I mean, as far as I know, this information does not, like, this doesn't have to go to a grand jury.

00:27:09.540 The Manhattan DA can just say, we're not charging this.

00:27:11.780 Alvin Bragg, can he not?

00:27:14.040 They can definitely decide not to charge it.

00:27:16.280 I think that that's probably unlikely, given that it's Alvin Bragg's office and it's the Manhattan DA's office.

00:27:22.420 And we know they're very political and very partisan.

00:27:25.400 We've seen some of their other prosecutions coming out.

00:27:27.980 And we know that when there is political pressure to bear upon them, they tend to file charges and move things forward.

00:27:34.640 And so in this case, what may look like to us something that doesn't need to be prosecuted,

00:27:39.560 I would imagine that there's a lot of political pressure coming down to bear upon Alvin Bragg and the Manhattan DA's office.

00:27:45.880 And if you have AOC and you have an election season and you have a lot of people screaming that something must be done,

00:27:51.620 I mean, they're protesting and everything now in the subways.

00:27:54.160 And so I think it's a little doubtful that they will just decide to turn the other eye on this and not move forward with it.

00:28:02.120 So what are the what's the likelihood that this guy, his name is Daniel Penny, former Marine, will actually get charged?

00:28:09.760 Because, I mean, this could be it could be involuntary manslaughter, could go all the way up to murder, potentially.

00:28:14.760 That's what people like AOC are accusing him of.

00:28:17.180 They are. They like to go to that word immediately.

00:28:20.460 Everything turns into this racist attack type of narrative.

00:28:24.980 And I didn't see that from when we watched the video.

00:28:27.820 There was, you know, there's still a lot to come out here about the facts.

00:28:31.600 But apparently this individual, Mr. Neely, was on the subway and he was getting aggressive, throwing trash at other people, maybe even physically threatening other people.

00:28:41.280 And so Mr. Penny decided to jump in there and defend himself, defend other people, according to his attorney's statement.

00:28:50.100 And if you have a situation like that, I think that he can make the case for self-defense.

00:28:56.360 He can make the case that this is not murder, that he was justified in defending other people, defending himself if the facts go there.

00:29:04.380 But what we see, I think, is that even if you have a situation like that where there are self-defense elements, they will still charge you for crimes.

00:29:14.740 We saw Kyle Rittenhouse. We've seen other situations throughout the country where prosecutors will take a case.

00:29:21.960 And if you're a favored defendant, not charge you.

00:29:24.840 But if you're a disfavored defendant, they will charge you.

00:29:27.540 They'll make you part of the narrative.

00:29:28.960 They'll prosecute you for political purposes, not necessarily because I think that they're interested in justice for Jordan Neely, but because it furthers a political narrative.

00:29:39.700 And out of Manhattan, this is sort of ground zero for a lot of the political narratives.

00:29:44.000 They have the Donald Trump prosecution that they're moving forward.

00:29:47.300 They were letting up on that, and then they put the pressure back down upon the prosecution when it felt like they were getting political feedback for that.

00:29:56.460 So I think here, if they decided not to prosecute him, that the political blowback would be too high.

00:30:01.920 And in terms of murder and intentionality, there's other charges.

00:30:07.300 It doesn't have to be murder.

00:30:08.480 It could be negligent homicide.

00:30:10.860 It could be involuntary manslaughter.

00:30:12.620 And so there's a lot of potential liability for Mr. Penney that is concerning.

00:30:18.160 Criminal liability.

00:30:19.440 Criminal liability.

00:30:20.420 That's a different story.

00:30:22.280 It is concerning.

00:30:23.520 His statement, Neely's statement, which was released late Friday, said that...

00:30:28.920 Okay, I'm reading and getting into the relevant part.

00:30:30.840 Mr. Neely had a documented history of violent and erratic behavior.

00:30:34.400 That's true.

00:30:35.060 You know, we went over it last Friday.

00:30:36.460 The apparent result of ongoing and untreated mental illness.

00:30:39.720 When Mr. Neely began aggressively threatening Daniel Penney and the other passengers, Daniel, with the help of others, acted to protect themselves until help arrived.

00:30:49.440 Daniel never intended to harm Mr. Neely and could not have foreseen his untimely death.

00:30:53.620 Aggressively threatening both Daniel Penney and the other passengers.

00:30:56.640 That's new information, aggressively threatening, and we'll see.

00:30:59.600 It won't just be Daniel Penney's word.

00:31:01.780 They'll have the other passengers on board that subway car to say what happened.

00:31:06.660 And those people, they have no stake in this.

00:31:09.640 Like, they're going to say what actually happened, and we'll find out.

00:31:11.600 So, they've released the full video.

00:31:14.800 There's a longer video now of the exchange, and this is the end of it.

00:31:18.420 Again, a warning.

00:31:19.380 This could be disturbing to some.

00:31:21.360 But it's the end of the process.

00:31:23.700 When Neely had been in that chokehold for a long time, you can see the former Marine standing up.

00:31:30.840 There were two other people who had been helping him.

00:31:33.200 They're rolling him.

00:31:34.380 They're trying.

00:31:35.880 They're trying to roll him over, we're told, for his own well-being.

00:31:40.320 And they clearly don't realize that he's dead.

00:31:44.580 That's what we were told, that he had died by the time the EMTs got there.

00:31:48.400 But they're trying to tend to him.

00:31:50.000 And the other thing we've learned is that there were not passengers on board this subway car saying,

00:31:54.000 stop, you know, he's nonresponsive, stop.

00:31:56.580 Like, this is not a George Floyd situation.

00:31:58.560 This was three people, including one man of color,

00:32:02.860 trying to subdue a man who'd been, quote, aggressively threatening, says Daniel Penney.

00:32:08.080 Right.

00:32:08.480 And there were on the videos multiple people who were also helping, assisting in the subduing of Mr. Neely.

00:32:15.860 And I think that we still don't know a lot about the ultimate cause of death.

00:32:23.000 I mean, they say the cause of death was strangulation and caused by the chokehold.

00:32:28.500 But remember, with George Floyd, we all saw the video.

00:32:32.320 We all came to our conclusions pretty quickly.

00:32:34.320 And then we fast forward.

00:32:35.820 And then when the trial went underway, we got the full coroner's report and we got to see inside.

00:32:41.440 And we learned that George Floyd also had arteriosclerosis and hypertension.

00:32:46.140 He had just done fentanyl and methamphetamines were in his system.

00:32:50.080 And so there are additional causation elements here that might have contributed to the death that I think is important to investigate before we start jumping to conclusions on this.

00:33:00.420 But there are reports that he that he was on some sort of Jordan Neely had been using some sort of jacked up marijuana that is like severely affecting on a person.

00:33:14.600 And I don't know whether he was on it that day, but that in the past he'd been caught with it and he'd been, I guess, addicted in some way to it.

00:33:21.040 And he had a long history of drug abuse, threatening suicide, hurting others so violent.

00:33:26.520 His grandparents wouldn't even let him stay at their home.

00:33:28.960 He threatened the grandfather.

00:33:30.420 He hurt a 67 year old.

00:33:31.600 He hurt another older man.

00:33:33.100 He tried to kidnap a seven year old.

00:33:34.560 And we could go down the list.

00:33:35.480 And this guy's a career criminal.

00:33:36.620 I'm sorry.

00:33:37.020 He's not no longer the Michael Jackson dancer.

00:33:38.740 It's absurd, the headlines that are out there trying to lead us to believe this is just some sweet MJ imitator.

00:33:45.060 That's that may have been a chapter in his life.

00:33:47.080 That chapter had closed.

00:33:48.280 He had moved on to far more nefarious things.

00:33:50.380 All right, let's move on to to the Trump trial.

00:33:52.280 So as I point out, this is a defamation case brought by E. Jean Carroll.

00:33:56.360 She says that back in the 1990s, she thinks it was spring of 96, but isn't sure.

00:34:02.480 She was working at Bergdorf Goodman.

00:34:04.000 Trump came in looking for lingerie as a gift for his then wife, Marla Maples.

00:34:09.120 She offered to help him find a gift.

00:34:11.140 He said, OK, I want lingerie.

00:34:12.820 He said he asked her to try on the gift that he was looking at.

00:34:17.560 She said no.

00:34:18.520 Before she knew it, she says he had her in a dressing room, threw her up against the wall and digitally raped her and then actually raped her.

00:34:26.180 And it was over now.

00:34:28.520 And then she's suing him because he denied it.

00:34:30.560 As I said before, he denied it and said she's not my type.

00:34:33.000 I would never with her.

00:34:34.080 She's not like, you know, she's not attractive enough for me.

00:34:37.420 So she's suing, saying he defamed her.

00:34:39.560 And this case has been entirely one sided.

00:34:41.780 Trump's barely defending.

00:34:42.760 He's got Joe Tacopina, his lawyer, in the the other Alvin Bragg case that we've all been talking about with the phony election.

00:34:50.140 You know, what did he misstate the records of his books to cover up a payment to Stormy Daniels?

00:34:56.400 Whatever.

00:34:56.720 Same lawyer defending him in this.

00:34:59.580 And he didn't even show up.

00:35:01.140 He didn't even bother to show up.

00:35:02.600 Trump didn't.

00:35:03.640 But the cross-examination that E.

00:35:05.560 Jean Carroll's lawyer did of Trump before they got to this trial is amazing.

00:35:11.300 It's amazing.

00:35:12.160 I've showed it.

00:35:12.640 I showed it to my makeup artist.

00:35:13.960 I showed it to Doug.

00:35:15.200 Sent it to my friend.

00:35:16.120 I can't believe what I saw on this tape.

00:35:18.180 Cannot believe.

00:35:19.340 And now I'm going to show it to my audience.

00:35:20.440 It hasn't gotten a lot of pickup.

00:35:21.240 Let's start with a soundbite of Trump speaking out about that infamous Access Hollywood tape, which other than his apology, like right after it happened, where he said it's a locker room talk.

00:35:39.180 And it was like the only time he apologized.

00:35:40.960 I haven't heard him address.

00:35:42.480 So he was asked about it.

00:35:43.640 For some reason, this judge let that in, which I think is a mistake.

00:35:47.500 And he got asked about it at his deposition.

00:35:50.200 Listen to Sot7.

00:35:51.260 I just start kissing them.

00:35:54.180 It's like a magnet.

00:35:55.500 Just kiss.

00:35:56.400 I don't even wait.

00:35:57.980 And when you're a star, they let you do it.

00:36:00.180 You can do anything.

00:36:01.900 Grab them by the pussy.

00:36:03.200 You can do anything.

00:36:04.240 That's what you said, correct?

00:36:05.060 Well, historically, that's true with stars.

00:36:07.760 It's true with stars that they can grab women by the pussy?

00:36:10.300 Well, that's what, if you look over the last million years, I guess that's been largely true.

00:36:15.860 Not always, but largely true.

00:36:18.960 Unfortunately or fortunately.

00:36:21.260 And you consider yourself to be a star.

00:36:26.300 I think you can say that, yeah.

00:36:28.360 And now you said before, a couple of minutes ago, that this was just locker room talk.

00:36:37.360 It's locker room talk.

00:36:38.320 And so does that mean that you didn't really mean it?

00:36:41.700 No, it's locker room talk.

00:36:43.220 I don't know.

00:36:43.620 It's just the way people talk.

00:36:47.200 So what we learned, I'm sorry, but.

00:36:51.260 It's the way it's been for a million years, unfortunately, or fortunately, and it depends

00:36:55.700 on how you look at it.

00:36:56.440 Could be very fortunate.

00:36:57.460 The stars get to grab the women by the pussy wherever they go.

00:37:00.180 I'm sorry, but jaw dropper.

00:37:03.320 You may find it humorous, but not a good moment for Trump in defending this particular case.

00:37:10.280 No, not a good answer.

00:37:13.400 Very Trump answer.

00:37:14.880 And I know a lot of Trump fans may like that answer, but I don't think it's going to sit

00:37:19.240 well for the jury.

00:37:20.420 And the jury is a New York jury.

00:37:23.120 So it's going to be probably an anti-Trump jury just by nature.

00:37:27.040 And so I think anything that reminds them of that tape, everything, anything that would

00:37:31.520 re-agitate any of their feelings is not going to be good for the Trump defense in this case.

00:37:38.600 And I don't think that that answer really helped him, which is why Roberta Kaplan, the

00:37:42.680 lawyer for Eugene Carroll, was playing the deposition, the entire thing for the jury so

00:37:47.500 that they could hear all of it just to sort of make it that much more memorable for them.

00:37:52.200 Yeah.

00:37:52.420 She wanted them to see that.

00:37:53.560 I mean, truly, like, I know the Trump supporters are like, yeah, right on.

00:37:56.720 I mean, even my one friend was like, he's a legend.

00:37:59.080 But the point is, is he going to win the case?

00:38:01.500 He's trying to win the case and saying, like, you know, it's very fortunate that the stars

00:38:05.500 let you grab him, but like, that's not a good moment when you're being accused of literally

00:38:09.160 doing exactly that, exactly that.

00:38:13.540 Then there was this moment, which I did find kind of amusing.

00:38:16.920 I'm not going to lie.

00:38:17.900 This one made me laugh out loud on the how Eugene Carroll is not his type and wouldn't be

00:38:22.960 his choice.

00:38:24.700 Roberta Kaplan cross-examined him on that, too.

00:38:27.340 And here's how that went.

00:38:28.240 Sade.

00:38:28.420 When you said in that video that Ms. Leeds would not be your first choice, you were referring

00:38:37.600 to her physical looks, correct?

00:38:40.360 Just the overall, not my, I look at her, I see her, I hear what she says, whatever.

00:38:46.040 You wouldn't be a choice of mine either, to be honest with you.

00:38:48.500 I hope you're not insulted.

00:38:49.360 I would not, under any circumstances, have any interest in you.

00:38:54.740 I'm being, I'm honest when I say it.

00:38:57.280 She, I would not have any interest in.

00:38:59.320 It's amazing.

00:39:04.180 I'm sorry, but it's funny.

00:39:04.940 It is.

00:39:05.360 It's funny.

00:39:06.000 It's genuinely funny.

00:39:06.900 He's funny.

00:39:08.120 He's funny.

00:39:09.420 He's funny.

00:39:09.980 And he said it right to her, Roberta Kaplan sitting there.

00:39:12.820 And I don't know what that does to her in the middle of a deposition.

00:39:15.840 She's rattled.

00:39:17.180 I don't know.

00:39:17.920 It's no, she wasn't.

00:39:18.780 She was stone cold.

00:39:19.560 I mean, you got to tip the hat to her reaction.

00:39:21.360 A lot of us would have been like, well, you're not for me either, sir.

00:39:24.400 But she was stone cold.

00:39:25.840 She was good.

00:39:27.920 Yeah, it's very Trump.

00:39:29.160 Again, I don't know what the jury is going to do with that.

00:39:31.340 I think, you know, they might bundle it up with all of the other Trump type statements

00:39:36.720 and then use that to extract from that behavior that something happened here with E.

00:39:42.720 Jean Carroll, even though I think that there's very little evidence in this case about Trump

00:39:46.660 and E.

00:39:47.000 Jean Carroll at all.

00:39:48.080 I mean, any hard evidence, it's he said, she said.

00:39:50.300 But a lot of these statements from Trump kind of make it feel like he's just flipping

00:39:54.280 he's almost nonchalant about the whole thing and he's almost above it to a certain degree

00:39:59.100 and having fun with it.

00:40:00.440 And when you juxtapose that with not presenting a defense and you have a New York jury that

00:40:05.880 is already probably a little bit against Donald Trump.

00:40:10.000 Oh, yeah.

00:40:10.500 I don't know how useful it's going to be to have that fun in the deposition, although

00:40:14.920 I certainly enjoy it and I laugh my butt off at it, too.

00:40:17.140 Well, it's funny.

00:40:17.560 And Roberta Kaplan is is a like well-known out lesbian.

00:40:20.840 So she's really not Donald's type and he's not her type either.

00:40:25.100 So it's just kind of the underlying dynamic there was kind of amusing.

00:40:29.280 Here's the problem, though.

00:40:30.540 It does seem that E.

00:40:31.520 Jean Carroll may have been exactly his type.

00:40:34.040 Now, of course, she's an elderly woman.

00:40:35.760 I think she's 80 like he is.

00:40:37.940 But but at the time this allegedly happened, she was 52.

00:40:41.820 I'm 52 now.

00:40:43.020 So I'm just saying, like, you know, it was a different E.

00:40:45.360 Jean Carroll.

00:40:46.200 And he was shown.

00:40:47.300 This is another excerpt that was released.

00:40:48.620 He was shown by the lawyer a picture of Donald Trump back then.

00:40:53.200 And E.

00:40:53.460 Jean Carroll was this big writer.

00:40:54.600 She had some sex column.

00:40:55.980 So she was kind of this playful whatever person was shown a picture.

00:40:59.820 E.

00:40:59.960 Jean Carroll was in it.

00:41:00.800 Donald was in it.

00:41:01.400 Some other people were in it.

00:41:02.300 And he mistook E.

00:41:05.080 Jean Carroll for his wife, Marla Maples, who, of course, is 100 percent his type.

00:41:10.560 This was a very helpful moment for the plaintiff.

00:41:13.880 E.

00:41:14.040 Jean Carroll will show it.

00:41:15.260 It's Sot 6.

00:41:16.680 I don't even know who the woman.

00:41:19.580 Let's see.

00:41:20.240 I don't know who.

00:41:21.340 It's Marla.

00:41:25.820 You're saying Marla's in this photo?

00:41:27.880 That's Marla.

00:41:28.740 Yeah.

00:41:29.080 That's that's my wife.

00:41:30.420 Which woman are you pointing to?

00:41:31.640 No.

00:41:32.280 Here.

00:41:34.260 The person you just pointed to was E.

00:41:36.160 Jean Carroll.

00:41:36.440 And there's the picture you can see that's her like Trump's that's the back of Trump's

00:41:43.560 head on the left.

00:41:44.340 Then right next to him in the photo is E.

00:41:46.700 Jean Carroll and then two other people.

00:41:50.200 So it's Ivana and another, I think, a newscaster there.

00:41:54.620 That was E.

00:41:55.500 Jean Carroll's husband at the time.

00:41:57.000 So but that's E.

00:41:57.700 Jean Carroll he's talking to in the picture.

00:41:59.860 And he mistook her for Marla Maples.

00:42:01.960 So she was his she clearly was his type.

00:42:06.100 Yeah, it doesn't doesn't support that statement very well.

00:42:09.740 It's an old picture and it's black and white and it's hard to sort of see.

00:42:13.680 But I still think he looked in there and he zoomed in and he said, yeah, that's her.

00:42:16.900 He asked.

00:42:17.280 He was asked a couple of times.

00:42:18.500 So I think when the jury takes that and they juxtapose it all together, I'm not sure that

00:42:23.860 that's going to be helpful, which is why I think they played the whole deposition just

00:42:27.120 to really, really kind of twist the needle, twist the twist the knife and make it hurt

00:42:30.760 for Trump.

00:42:31.640 OK, so that's all the bad stuff for Donald.

00:42:34.040 Having said all that, there's a ton of bad stuff for E.

00:42:36.640 Jean Carroll.

00:42:37.100 My God, this first of all, can we just talk about the unfairness of going after somebody

00:42:41.240 essentially for rape defamation?

00:42:43.260 But really, she's saying he raped her there.

00:42:46.140 How many years, 30 years ago, 30 plus years ago, how on earth is supposed to defend this?

00:42:51.520 This is like the Kavanaugh case.

00:42:53.100 How is he supposed to say he doesn't even know if he was in you?

00:42:55.740 She can't even say if it was 1996 or 1995.

00:42:58.800 Was it spring?

00:42:59.360 She thinks it might have been spring based on the description of what she was wearing

00:43:02.100 as told to her by somebody else.

00:43:03.860 She was asked specifically, did you say no?

00:43:08.400 Her answer was no.

00:43:10.560 So what was he supposed to be like, Karnak?

00:43:15.520 He was supposed to just glean?

00:43:17.220 She doesn't want this?

00:43:19.300 Like the absurdity of like they went in there.

00:43:22.520 They were playful.

00:43:23.560 She admitted she was flirting with them.

00:43:25.520 She says they went into the dressing room that she didn't say no.

00:43:29.280 She admits she didn't scream.

00:43:31.580 She didn't go report it to the cops.

00:43:33.200 Like this is not a great case to put it charitably.

00:43:38.080 It's a strange case.

00:43:39.260 And she kept watching The Apprentice.

00:43:41.560 She kept sort of posting stuff on Facebook about sleeping with Donald Trump, a $17,000

00:43:47.400 would you sleep with Trump?

00:43:48.840 Weird kind of jokey post on Facebook.

00:43:51.560 And there's a lot of strange things that happened after the fact as well.

00:43:54.640 And that's presuming that you believe that this whole thing even happened.

00:43:58.040 And as you mentioned, it's 1995 to 1996 at trial.

00:44:02.000 It came out.

00:44:02.520 She says she thinks it was a Thursday.

00:44:04.240 So Trump has really no opportunity to defend against this in any way.

00:44:08.420 He can't say, I wasn't there on that day.

00:44:10.660 I was across the seas or in a different part of the world or anything.

00:44:13.680 He can't latch onto anything to defend himself.

00:44:17.280 And if you zoom out on this, there's no hard evidence other than E. Jean Carroll's word.

00:44:23.160 It's his word versus her word.

00:44:24.680 We have no surveillance tapes back then.

00:44:26.660 And there's evidence that they were recording.

00:44:29.480 They had surveillance cameras.

00:44:30.980 This Bergdorf's place was supposed to be a very high end shopping facility that had personal

00:44:35.640 shoppers that would come in.

00:44:37.040 So if Trump came in, the theory was he would have his own shopper.

00:44:40.480 And there's no evidence that that ever happened.

00:44:43.160 No other witnesses put him there.

00:44:45.020 There was no receipt evidence.

00:44:47.840 There's very limited concrete evidence that he was ever actually there.

00:44:51.980 So it's just a he said, she said situation.

00:44:54.460 I'll say this.

00:44:54.940 She's got something that is good on her side.

00:44:57.820 And that is she's got two friends who say she told me this happened at the time.

00:45:03.540 And one of them is a pretty well-known newscaster who's got a lot of credibility, presumably with

00:45:08.020 this jury, who says to this jury, I wasn't there, but she came to me right after and told

00:45:13.820 me what happened.

00:45:14.380 And the one said to her, Eugene, what that's rape.

00:45:18.120 She kind of had to talk her into it, which isn't helpful for Eugene, but she's got at

00:45:22.660 least two people saying that it happened or that they were told it happened.

00:45:26.700 I might point out for the record, the same left that is now jumping up and down saying

00:45:30.100 he's a rapist.

00:45:30.720 He's a rapist.

00:45:31.260 Two women can corroborate this completely dismissed Tara Reid, Joe Biden's accuser.

00:45:35.980 When she had a contemporaneous witness who she told Joe Biden penetrated her in the corridor

00:45:43.020 of the Senate building years ago ago, she she also had a witness.

00:45:47.140 She told now telling someone doesn't mean it actually happened.

00:45:49.640 But in this case, the double standard is suddenly like it's ballgame, she told.

00:45:55.460 Right.

00:45:55.940 And my interpretation of what I heard their testimony, these two people, a Carol Martin

00:46:02.000 and the other one was Lisa Bernbach, these two witnesses, at least Lisa Bernbach was kind

00:46:06.560 of nonchalant about the receiving the phone call.

00:46:09.240 Her friend called her and said, I just got raped by Donald Trump and she was making chicken

00:46:12.860 nuggets for her kids and just kind of left the whole thing alone.

00:46:16.420 And same thing with Carol Martin, they kind of took it as though it wasn't this big deal.

00:46:21.020 They never really brought it up again.

00:46:22.260 And the whole thing went by the wayside until 2019, when E.G.

00:46:26.540 and Carol had a had a meeting with other people who wanted to go bring the pain against Donald

00:46:32.920 Trump and use litigation as lawfare to take him out.

00:46:36.280 And then George Conway, then it all got George Conway.

00:46:38.740 And then the whole thing exploded again.

00:46:40.980 And now we're in the middle of this litigation that's really becoming a problem for Trump.

00:46:45.660 She also says Les Moonves sexually assaulted her, E.G.

00:46:49.860 and Carol, and she was asked by Takapina, did you sue him?

00:46:54.000 How about it?

00:46:54.400 And she was like, well, no, he didn't disparage me, but he also denied it.

00:46:57.420 I mean, so what's you know, is it is the difference that he wasn't running for president, that he

00:47:01.340 didn't become president?

00:47:03.140 So there are some serious problems with her case, but it is by no means a slam dunk for

00:47:08.620 Trump.

00:47:08.900 So in the time we have left, if he loses, what happens?

00:47:12.040 Well, I'm not sure what he does.

00:47:15.140 I think he's going to appeal it.

00:47:16.660 His attorney, Takapina, already submitted a motion for a mistrial that was very good,

00:47:21.940 actually.

00:47:22.540 In my opinion, this judge has been very favorable towards the plaintiff.

00:47:27.940 They were.

00:47:28.380 I agree.

00:47:28.880 Judge was the judge was repeatedly interrupting the defense.

00:47:31.860 He was vouching for the witnesses.

00:47:33.580 He was objecting.

00:47:34.620 He let two other witnesses take the stand, saying they also had been assaulted by Trump,

00:47:39.360 allegedly, which is just this is a trend in New York.

00:47:42.040 It happened in Harvey, too.

00:47:43.020 Thanks to this new law, it's very prejudicial that plus the access Hollywood tape never should

00:47:47.920 have been allowed, in my opinion.

00:47:49.440 He's got grounds for appeal.

00:47:51.240 Right.

00:47:51.400 And I think he will.

00:47:52.240 And I hope that somebody stops or some higher level court takes a look at some of these law

00:47:59.200 fair type litigations and.

00:48:01.520 Does something about it, because it's going to be a problem, I think, from both sides.

00:48:04.900 So unfair.

00:48:05.580 I mean, how is any man supposed to defend something that happened 30 years ago?

00:48:08.140 Allegedly.

00:48:08.900 Thank you so much, Robert.

00:48:09.940 Great to see you.

00:48:16.260 Boo.

00:48:18.160 Boo.

00:48:19.000 Boo.

00:48:19.460 Boo.

00:48:20.680 I am sure I was not the only one booing Prince Harry.

00:48:25.200 See, they played the bells to cover up the boos.

00:48:27.300 That's my theory.

00:48:28.380 He spent just over 24 hours on the ground in England for his father's 70th birthday party.

00:48:34.940 No, it was his coronation.

00:48:36.880 And that's the kind of thing you just fly in for and pop right back out.

00:48:41.340 This is dad's coronation as the king of England.

00:48:46.160 He fled in a car after the ceremony, even before the Abbey bells stopped ringing.

00:48:51.640 Joining me now for the full rundown is Dan Wooten.

00:48:54.300 He's host of Dan Wooten tonight on England's GB News and a columnist for the UK's Daily Mail.

00:49:00.540 So that was me, Dan.

00:49:02.040 Boo, boo, boo.

00:49:04.680 I promised you I would do it and I did it and I know I wasn't the only one.

00:49:08.340 What did you make of Harry back there in the third row, like some third-rate royal?

00:49:14.660 It was unbelievable, wasn't it?

00:49:16.980 I think the best moment of the day was Princess Anne, who had this very large red plume on top of her ceremonial hat,

00:49:29.340 which blocked Prince Harry's face and his view for most of the ceremony.

00:49:35.180 You might remember at the Queen's funeral, the late Queen's funeral, it was a candlestick that obscured the face of Meghan Markle.

00:49:45.360 Was that really a coincidence, Meghan?

00:49:47.860 Really, given how carefully the royal family planned everything?

00:49:52.560 I don't think so.

00:49:54.060 But I think Harry actually was incredibly arrogant.

00:49:57.500 He strutted into Westminster Abbey, cracking jokes.

00:50:01.300 Lip readers have actually dismantled his conversation with Jack Brooksbank once he sat down.

00:50:09.660 And even in the Abbey, Meghan, he was moaning about his treatment by either the royal family or the British press.

00:50:18.260 He was out of there within minutes, headed straight to Heathrow Airport,

00:50:23.480 leaving King Charles to give a toast to his absent grandson, Prince Archie, on his birthday,

00:50:31.040 saying he didn't know where in the world he was.

00:50:33.640 So Harry goes over to the coronation, doesn't speak to his father, doesn't speak to his stepmother,

00:50:40.380 doesn't speak to his brother, doesn't even bother to speak to Kate Middleton.

00:50:43.980 They used to be so close.

00:50:46.180 And you just think, wow, Meghan got her way, didn't she?

00:50:48.960 She managed to divide two families.

00:50:51.960 The shots caught by some of the cameras of Harry staring at William across the church,

00:50:59.440 who's, of course, in the front row, just speak a million words, right, without speaking any.

00:51:05.420 It just shows you the true picture of his envy, his jealousy.

00:51:09.840 You even wrote a column talking about how Harry's got the same receding hairline now,

00:51:14.660 if you walk at him, if you look at him, walk in that church,

00:51:17.200 that he so uncharitably mocked his brother for.

00:51:20.240 And you can tell, like, that comment, the reason I raise it is who would say such a thing

00:51:24.840 other than someone who is envious, who's got something more than just a temporary beef with a guy?

00:51:29.960 There's a hatred now on his part.

00:51:33.800 Absolutely.

00:51:34.300 And so much of that business, Meghan, has come from the fact that William and Charles,

00:51:40.020 and how thick as thieves, that was not always the case.

00:51:44.080 The eldest brother, now the heir to the British throne, had lots of issues with his dad, King Charles,

00:51:52.140 in the same way that Harry did.

00:51:53.760 You know, Charles himself admits that in the days and the years and the months after the death of Princess Diana,

00:52:00.220 he wasn't perfect.

00:52:02.100 But look, what father can cope with that sort of situation?

00:52:06.380 It's incredibly difficult.

00:52:08.540 What I find so fascinating is that it has actually been the real split with Harry and the royal family

00:52:15.720 and the way that Harry has actually tried to destroy the British monarchy

00:52:18.820 that has brought Charles and William so close together.

00:52:23.320 And you saw that on display at various points during the coronation weekend.

00:52:29.100 There was an incredibly poignant moment in front of the world in Westminster Abbey.

00:52:32.940 But then last night, William goes up in front of the tens of thousands gathered

00:52:38.440 for this extraordinary coronation concert, the first ever coronation concert at Windsor Castle,

00:52:43.440 where it was very bizarre, Meghan, and the likes of Lionel Richie and Katy Perry

00:52:47.100 joining British acts to sing in front of all of the world.

00:52:50.520 It was a very bizarre night, but I have to say, I loved it.

00:52:54.220 And William goes up on stage and invokes the late Queen, Elizabeth II,

00:52:58.580 and says, she would be so proud of you, Dad.

00:53:01.520 So this is the royal family coming together in union and saying,

00:53:06.480 you know what, we know Harry and Meghan.

00:53:08.980 You're going to keep throwing these grenades.

00:53:11.160 You're going to try and destroy us.

00:53:12.960 We know that, but we are now united.

00:53:16.600 And I think there is a very bizarre power in the fact that actually it's only really the difficulties

00:53:23.620 with Harry and Meghan that have made William and Charles realize that if they stand strong together,

00:53:30.060 then maybe, just maybe, the British monarchy can survive to another coronation.

00:53:35.220 And I actually think after the weekend that will happen.

00:53:37.180 Because look at this family.

00:53:38.200 Look at this beautiful family who have stolen the hearts of the world.

00:53:41.240 And that's the future of the royal family right there.

00:53:43.240 And their children, William and Kate's children, there you see Princess Charlotte

00:53:46.400 and the great little Prince Louis, who always steals the show.

00:53:50.520 I love Prince Louis.

00:53:51.500 Anything involving Prince Louis, who I predict right now will never grow up to be like,

00:53:55.500 boo-hoo, I'm the spare, poor me.

00:53:58.400 Fingers crossed.

00:53:59.660 And then the other pictures, of course, of Prince George, who's the next heir after Prince William,

00:54:04.340 just nailing everything.

00:54:05.660 The photo ops were beautiful.

00:54:06.820 They all looked like they were having a great time.

00:54:09.260 They did look united.

00:54:10.900 The couple looked in love.

00:54:12.640 I mean, I have to say, Princess Kate looked amazing.

00:54:16.920 She looked so incredibly royal, of course, given the garments that she was wearing.

00:54:20.640 And you couldn't help but think of the bitter jealousy you just know Meghan Markle was feeling

00:54:27.960 at home, alone, on her couch.

00:54:32.400 Absolutely.

00:54:33.960 Because she wants the world to hate Kate.

00:54:37.580 I have to say, though, I actually felt, Meghan, when it started to rain, when it poured with rain,

00:54:42.800 and it really did, it bucketed down during the coronation.

00:54:46.840 I thought they were the tears of Meghan Markle and Montecito watching the wall-to-wall coverage

00:54:52.760 on American TV and thinking, actually, we lost.

00:54:58.880 Because the Sussexes have lost.

00:55:01.680 They thought this coronation was going to be a disaster.

00:55:04.600 They thought it was going to flop, Meghan.

00:55:07.700 Actually, more people tuned in to this coronation in the UK than tuned in to watch the wedding of Harry and Meghan.

00:55:14.980 Now, look, we know King Charles is not perfect.

00:55:17.460 I've been highly critical of the guy, OK, over the years.

00:55:20.380 He's a globalist.

00:55:21.520 He's wedded to this nut-zero agenda, as I call it.

00:55:27.620 Some connections to the World Economic Forum.

00:55:29.500 He tends to wade into politics.

00:55:31.240 But he has to succeed.

00:55:33.860 Because if you're a royalist like I am, you have to believe that it's not just about the man.

00:55:40.300 It's not just about the individual.

00:55:41.700 It's about the importance of the institution.

00:55:43.360 And Harry and Meghan thought that they were going to be able to destroy that in the seven months since the late Queen's death.

00:55:50.200 And they failed.

00:55:51.720 They point-blank failed because this ceremony was a massive success.

00:55:56.480 It's had huge international attention.

00:55:58.460 But I can tell you here on the ground in the UK, it's managed to bring a divided country together over the past few days.

00:56:05.300 The latest stats were the streets were lined with 2 million people, 7,000 British troops, 100 million people watched on TV around the world.

00:56:15.420 That's huge, 100 million people.

00:56:17.960 And that puts the lie to this whole, she just didn't want to go, Dan, because you see what happens, according to Omid Scobie, their stenographer, is the cameras always find Meghan.

00:56:30.760 And she really just thought, I'll sit this one out.

00:56:33.980 But that's an obvious lie.

00:56:35.920 She's never seen a camera she doesn't want to put her face in front of.

00:56:38.660 And certainly 100 million viewers would have lured that woman to any place on this earth.

00:56:45.600 So what's the real reason she wasn't there?

00:56:48.620 Look, Meghan, you know what it is.

00:56:50.700 She was going to be booed.

00:56:53.500 And the problem is she wasn't just necessarily going to be booed outside of Westminster Abbey.

00:57:01.420 She may have been booed inside.

00:57:05.240 And that was a prospect that she simply could not countenance.

00:57:09.280 I don't know if you saw, but there was a really fascinating shot when Harry actually walked inside Westminster Abbey.

00:57:15.700 And he was looking around very nervously.

00:57:17.940 He was on his own.

00:57:19.340 And he only got grimaces and looks of disgust from most of the congregation.

00:57:25.760 There were a couple of smiles.

00:57:27.100 But on the whole, the people inside that Abbey are absolutely disgusted by the behaviour of Harry and Meghan over the past seven months and the past three years, to be completely honest with you.

00:57:38.100 So Meghan could not risk the prospect of being booed out by the British public, but also inside Westminster Abbey.

00:57:48.140 Because you're right, of course she wanted to be there.

00:57:49.860 It's her currency.

00:57:51.320 It's history.

00:57:53.140 And she wasn't part of it.

00:57:55.320 And of course, you've seen over the past few weeks, there's been publicity stunt after publicity stunt.

00:58:00.240 She's been desperate to get herself back in the conversation, having purposefully avoided all of the flack from Harry's awful, hateful autobiography spare.

00:58:10.540 And even over the past 24 hours, there have been some very convenient paparazzi shots picked up by DailyMail.com and TMZ of Meghan out hiking.

00:58:20.740 What a shock.

00:58:21.800 They just happened to know she was going for a hike and she just happened to look spectacular.

00:58:25.620 Oh, it's all organic.

00:58:27.120 Trust me.

00:58:28.060 You know, I don't blame them.

00:58:29.220 Not only we've been through all the stuff she's done, but not only did she call half the British public racist in her Netflix documentary, Everybody Who Voted for Brexit.

00:58:38.660 But honestly, Dan, I don't think it's an overreach to say she helped kill the Queen.

00:58:43.820 She did.

00:58:45.220 Those two added more toxicity and stress to the Queen's last year or two on Earth than anyone or anything.

00:58:56.460 Absolutely.

00:58:56.980 And it's only starting to emerge, Megan, even though I knew it privately, just how much stress she did cause on the late Queen.

00:59:07.460 Constant phone calls from Harry begging this woman in her 90s, who he knew was dying, to get involved in how much money he was going to receive and whether he was going to be able to stay at his mansion, Frogmore Cottage.

00:59:21.480 Imagine putting that on your dying grandmother.

00:59:23.480 And then this astonishing report from a really good young reporter for The Spectator called Cara Kennedy emerged last week that the Queen at a dinner party at Balmoral just last summer had actually used the word evil to describe Meghan Markle and said that she saw right through her.

00:59:46.260 So I think we know now that this idea that the Queen, the late Queen, was somehow in support of the two people who were trying to tear down her institution, who were trying to use their Netflix horror show to tear down the Commonwealth is just a joke.

01:00:03.740 The Queen, the late Queen did see through Meghan and Harry.

01:00:08.520 And she made it clear to those around her exactly how she felt about the two of them.

01:00:14.380 Now, speaking of the fact that up until September, we had a Queen of England, the accusations of the patriarchy that were all over Twitter and, of course, racism, which we'll get to next.

01:00:26.460 But the patriarchal, I had to laugh.

01:00:30.220 I mean, the Queen has not even been gone for a year.

01:00:33.920 And already, because the next monarch happens to be male, we're back to the patriarchy reigns.

01:00:40.600 That's what got us in all of our problems here in Great Britain.

01:00:43.720 It's like, did you forget, right?

01:00:46.680 That there's like, how many years was she on the throne, Dan?

01:00:49.560 Like 70 something.

01:00:51.120 It's absurd.

01:00:52.040 Yeah, I know there was that great note, that Twitter context added to one of these posts saying, I just do remember the last 70 years we've had a woman there, not to mention the fabulous reign of Queen Victoria about 100 years before her.

01:01:09.020 Probably, I would say, the two greatest monarchs that Britain has ever had, you know, both women.

01:01:16.780 So it is ridiculous, isn't it?

01:01:18.340 It is ludicrous.

01:01:19.860 And, of course, Charles, even though this isn't particularly popular, certainly not particularly popular with me, Megan, given I was a huge fan and supporter of Princess Diana.

01:01:29.840 But Charles has made an active choice to actually put Queen Camilla at the heart of his coronation and all of the celebrations, too.

01:01:40.840 I have a quick question for you.

01:01:41.700 I want to get to this racist allegation by the Bridgerton actors.

01:01:45.000 But before that, quick question about protocol.

01:01:48.060 So do we now still call her Queen Consort or is she just Queen Camilla?

01:01:54.180 Nope, just Queen Camilla.

01:01:56.880 And look, I've really struggled with my own conscience about this over the past few months, Megan, because remember, initially with Camilla, we were told she's never even going to be Queen Consort.

01:02:08.580 Don't worry, we're going to get married, but they're going to change the law to ensure that Camilla will only ever be referred to as Princess Consort, similar to the way that Prince Philip never became king.

01:02:21.480 Then there was this historic announcement from the late Queen just before her death, where she said, no, she did want Camilla to be known as Queen Consort.

01:02:30.740 We sort of all accepted that.

01:02:32.680 But Charles, he only ever had one plan.

01:02:35.920 And the plan was for Camilla to be his queen.

01:02:39.480 It's still difficult for many of us to accept.

01:02:42.240 The establishment have accepted that they absolutely love Camilla, Megan.

01:02:45.620 But if you look at the public polling, Camilla actually remains one of the least popular members of the royal family.

01:02:52.080 I mean, of course, her unpopularity pales into insignificance when you compare her to Harry, Megan or Prince Andrew.

01:02:59.240 But she's not beloved in the same way that Prince Philip was, in the same way that Kate was.

01:03:03.860 But for Charles, she's a complete non-negotiable.

01:03:06.440 And I've thought about it a lot.

01:03:08.120 And I think for Charles to be a successful king, he needs to have Camilla by his side.

01:03:14.060 And so for that reason, even though it's something even a year ago I never would have thought would have happened.

01:03:20.300 Yeah, she's the queen.

01:03:21.780 She's Queen Camilla.

01:03:23.480 I'm happy he has the love of his life with him.

01:03:26.280 You know, notwithstanding all the drama with Princess Diana, it's nice for any man, a man 74 years old, to be in this phase of his life with this kind of event happening to him.

01:03:35.260 With the woman who clearly is the love of his life.

01:03:38.520 And he'll probably be a better monarch because he has her.

01:03:41.820 So we can be thankful for that.

01:03:42.980 A lot of people make mistakes in their marriages, things they'd like to have back.

01:03:46.140 Theirs just happen to be extremely public.

01:03:48.560 So, yeah, I'm rooting for them, too.

01:03:50.560 You know, just quickly, why didn't Prince Philip become King Philip?

01:03:53.340 And why doesn't the line of succession include now Queen Camilla?

01:03:56.600 Like if Charles were to die, why wouldn't it go to just Queen Camilla until she dies and then down to Prince William?

01:04:02.680 Because the line of succession has always been the bloodline and it has always been traditional that male consorts don't take on the king title, whereas queens do.

01:04:15.020 So we had Queen Mary and then we had Queen Elizabeth, the mom of Queen Elizabeth II.

01:04:19.940 And then you'll remember that when her husband died and her daughter became queen, she became known as the Queen Mother.

01:04:26.800 So obviously there are going to be questions about what Camilla will be referred to if she is to outlive Charles.

01:04:34.200 But that may be a very long way in the future, I guess we hope.

01:04:37.840 OK, so back to claims of racism, because the no coronation is complete without claims of sexism and racism, apparently.

01:04:44.100 And I'm sure it was the same 70 years ago.

01:04:46.700 The star of Bridgerton decides in commenting on all of this on ITV to bring up the race of the royal family with which she is clearly displeased.

01:05:00.920 Here she was.

01:05:01.520 We've gone from the rich diversity of the abbey to a terribly white balcony.

01:05:08.840 I'm very struck by that.

01:05:10.580 I'm also looking at those younger generations and thinking, what are the nuances that they will inhabit as they grow?

01:05:18.160 This is outrageous, Dan.

01:05:22.080 Like, what what are they?

01:05:24.540 They're white.

01:05:26.280 What what are they supposed to do to please her?

01:05:30.280 Yeah, I mean, outrageous is one word for it.

01:05:33.800 Adjoin and oh, I would say she's not just a race baiter.

01:05:38.920 Megan, I would say she's racist.

01:05:40.920 Because just imagine if the situation were reversed and someone made that sort of comment about a royal family in Africa or Asia.

01:05:49.240 It is racist.

01:05:51.080 And actually, there was a lot of this in the press in Britain, especially the broadcast media, the British Bashing Corporation, BBC, had this woman on the next day after she had made that comment.

01:06:04.500 And by the way, I do also have to say, Woke ITV and their presenters, Tom Bradley and Julie Etchingham, did not question her at all.

01:06:12.520 They did not call her out for making that racist comment.

01:06:15.380 Then she goes on the BBC the next day, the big BBC radio station.

01:06:20.440 There's an interviewer called Patty O'Connell, and she starts a bit of a mea culpa.

01:06:25.520 And this presenter interrupts her and says, no, no, don't be silly.

01:06:29.940 You haven't upset anyone.

01:06:32.320 So it does show you how the media elite in Britain, and I know this is something obviously you've experienced in the US for a very long time,

01:06:38.640 but the Liberal Media League in Britain have never been more out of touch with the people who they claim to represent.

01:06:45.780 Because believe me, there is huge anger about this statement.

01:06:49.560 There's also huge anger that the BBC used as one of their main commentators for the coronation,

01:06:56.480 an ally of Harry and Meghan, who hates Brexit, who hates the Commonwealth, who hates the royal family,

01:07:03.160 and was one of the main talking heads throughout their Netflix documentary.

01:07:07.220 And he was commenting on the coronation for the BBC, which is the public broadcaster paid for by the taxpayers of British people.

01:07:15.640 So, look, I think this racism and this race baiting is creeping in to much of the mainstream media.

01:07:22.460 But that's why, as you know, millions and millions of folk are tuning out of the mainstream media,

01:07:27.460 because they think this doesn't represent us.

01:07:29.960 This is disgusting.

01:07:31.020 This is anti-white discrimination.

01:07:32.480 It's completely unacceptable.

01:07:34.580 It's absurd.

01:07:35.380 So the family is white.

01:07:37.440 They're white.

01:07:38.340 So are they racist unless somebody marries a person of color?

01:07:42.740 Is that the obligation now?

01:07:43.920 Black families must marry at least one white person into the family,

01:07:46.780 and white families must marry at least one black person in the family.

01:07:49.380 Otherwise, they're bad.

01:07:50.560 And by the way, this British family did that and welcomed Meghan Markle, who, let's face it,

01:07:56.040 I mean, she is part black, but she looks white.

01:07:58.100 But they welcomed her into the family.

01:07:59.660 Obviously, King Charles, then Prince, walked her down the aisle at their wedding.

01:08:04.480 They couldn't have been kinder to her.

01:08:06.460 The queen fast-tracked her into the royal family.

01:08:08.940 She left of her own accord because she didn't like the treat.

01:08:11.740 She didn't want to be number two to Kate's number one.

01:08:13.880 Well, too bad.

01:08:14.640 You married the spare.

01:08:16.680 And this woman's still displeased.

01:08:19.160 The family's too white.

01:08:20.840 Why isn't it?

01:08:21.240 And then when she tried to do her mea culpa on the BBC, it was terrible.

01:08:25.120 She was doubling down.

01:08:26.100 She read, she said, I think I upset a few people yesterday.

01:08:28.900 I was talking about the day and how marvelous it was.

01:08:31.000 And then looking at the balcony at the end and suddenly going, oh, it's so white.

01:08:36.340 Because the day had been so mixed.

01:08:38.460 I didn't mean to upset anybody.

01:08:39.960 Well, how's that an apology?

01:08:41.220 That's exactly what you said the day before, just saying, didn't mean to upset you.

01:08:45.060 But I stand by everything I said.

01:08:48.620 Indeed.

01:08:49.100 And it's maybe not a popular thing to say, Megan, but we've got to sometimes look at demographics.

01:08:55.420 And the UK is a majority white country.

01:08:59.940 I mean, Scotland, for example, one of the nations in the UK is 96% white.

01:09:06.100 Now, it's lower in England, but it's still around 85% of the population here are white.

01:09:14.900 And our royal family is white.

01:09:17.440 Now, if that is going to be equated with bad in the media and those sorts of racist comments are acceptable, then I think we're heading down a very dangerous path.

01:09:29.680 But, of course, what the broadcast media wanted to do in the UK is really pump up the Republican message and make out as if Republicans, and, of course, this is slightly confusing to an American audience because we're not talking about the big R.

01:09:42.960 You know, we're not talking about the party, but talking about people who want to overthrow the monarchy and have an elected head of state.

01:09:49.360 And there's been a lot of pushing for that in the British broadcast media.

01:09:53.860 But, Megan, it's still a minority court here in the UK.

01:09:57.540 People, on the whole, like the royal family, and even people who are a little bit questioning about it, they also realize, well, what's the alternative?

01:10:05.720 Why on earth would we want some ghastly politician put in charge of our political system?

01:10:12.320 Actually, there's lots of French people, for example, who say, we wish we'd never got rid of our monarchy because, look, we have some sort of mega maniac like Macron in charge destroying the country.

01:10:24.060 Right. Speaking of the French, Harry chose to wear Dior when the word had clearly gone out to wear a British designer, but he couldn't be bothered to even do that to honor his country of birth and his family.

01:10:40.040 It's just absolutely shameful. Dan Wooden, it's always a pleasure. Go GB News and go, Dan Wooden.

01:10:45.560 Love the program. And I will see you tomorrow night there.

01:10:48.460 We will speak there. Thank you so much, Megan.

01:10:50.740 All the best. And up next, we will be back with Maureen Callahan, also from the Daily Mail.

01:10:57.380 I love Maureen's column. She has a great, great pen.

01:11:00.760 And we will talk a little bit about John Legend, who is a little upset about my comments regarding his wife.

01:11:08.860 Hmm. I got some thoughts. Stand by.

01:11:11.260 John Legend, the singer, had some choice words for yours truly after I mocked his elitist, out-of-touch wife for having her minions carry her train to the White House Correspondents' Dinner while she was showing off her underwear.

01:11:27.380 An absurd thing on many levels, because this wasn't the coronation or a soft porn movie.

01:11:35.140 It was nerd prom with White House reporters and D-list entertainers.

01:11:39.820 Sorry. Sorry, John Legend. That's true. D-list.

01:11:42.720 It's the event most of us are too embarrassed to be seen at these days, never mind one to which you wear a dress with a train and its own staff.

01:11:51.540 Anyway, John Legend got asked about my thoughts by TMZ. Here is part of his response.

01:11:58.960 Megan, you know, she likes attention.

01:12:01.420 Yeah.

01:12:01.840 She needs it after she got fired from Fox.

01:12:03.860 You know, she has to do what she can do to get attention.

01:12:06.120 Is that all it is?

01:12:08.000 She pissed all the conservatives off when she asked Trump a tough question, so now she's trying to figure out a way to win them back.

01:12:17.580 Yeah?

01:12:18.220 Mm-hmm.

01:12:18.680 You think she'll get them back with going after Chrissy Teigen?

01:12:22.020 That's her attempt.

01:12:22.860 Yeah?

01:12:24.180 She's desperate.

01:12:25.220 She's got to swing a little harder than this?

01:12:27.600 No.

01:12:28.620 She can just shut up.

01:12:29.700 Do you feel like it's normal behavior to have someone help you carry a dress?

01:12:34.040 No.

01:12:36.120 Does she feel bad about it?

01:12:37.820 No.

01:12:39.520 Why should she?

01:12:41.260 I love TMZ.

01:12:43.540 A couple of quick corrections for Legend, who says I mocked his wife because I was, quote,

01:12:47.860 fired from Fox News and need to rebuild my conservative audience.

01:12:50.700 First of all, we are number two in news podcasts in the United States,

01:12:55.060 and number five podcasts in all shows.

01:12:57.900 Just past a million subscribers on YouTube, where we are adding tens of thousands of new fans a week,

01:13:02.320 so we're good on the audience, John.

01:13:05.340 Second of all, as for my decision not to renew at Fox, it appears John has been getting his news

01:13:10.000 from Keith Olbermann.

01:13:12.120 A simple Google search would have helped him find reports about the nine-figure deal I rejected

01:13:17.100 at Fox News in order to spend more time with my family.

01:13:21.300 John suggested I only mocked his wife because I'm desperate for attention.

01:13:24.820 Sweet John, it must be so hard to live with that on your arm and in your bed every day and night and see anything else as you survey the women of this world.

01:13:36.020 When one's wife shows her panties to the president, it's probably really embarrassing.

01:13:41.500 I get it.

01:13:42.000 It can warp your view of women on this earth.

01:13:45.000 When she takes photos of her abortion and treats it as a PR op,

01:13:50.460 something that should be the most private and intimate moments in a couple's life,

01:13:54.820 it's probably extremely uncomfortable.

01:13:57.860 Oh, wait.

01:13:58.160 John Legend was there, too, wasn't he?

01:13:59.900 He was actually there.

01:14:00.420 He thought that moment would make a great photo op, too.

01:14:03.560 A chance to promote their brand.

01:14:06.400 How dare you lecture anyone on needing attention, sir?

01:14:11.420 John defended Chrissy and her cast of serfs carrying her train by saying she is a kind and loving person.

01:14:19.740 Keep telling yourself that, John.

01:14:22.040 The truth is Chrissy Teigen has a long and very dark history.

01:14:25.700 Most notably, there's her bizarre and repeated bullying of young teenagers whose sweet little Chrissy encouraged over and over again to kill themselves.

01:14:36.720 There's a long, long record of this bully going after young people, wanting them to take their own lives.

01:14:44.440 Candace Owens has been brilliant in documenting all of this.

01:14:47.960 No need to reinvent the wheel here.

01:14:49.740 Chrissy Teigen is a sick, relentless, cruel, self-aggrandizing, needy, attention-starved bully.

01:14:57.680 She deserves every bit of criticism she gets.

01:14:59.860 And trust me, there's plenty more of it in our arsenal if Mr. Legend would like to continue the argument.

01:15:07.100 Joining me now with more, Maureen Callahan from the Daily Mail.

01:15:12.020 Poor Chrissy.

01:15:13.000 She's a kind and loving person, Maureen.

01:15:16.120 And those of us who go after her are just mean, mean bullies.

01:15:21.460 Yes, I have to say my favorite thing about this defense that was so brilliantly captured by TMZ was John Legend's inability to even make eye contact with the lowly serf who was asking him these questions.

01:15:37.840 And then when asked point blank, is it normal to have three people help you carry your dress?

01:15:43.220 He says, no, no.

01:15:45.460 And it's, you know, it's, it's so fascinating, especially to see celebrities who identify as progressive and liberal to not read the room.

01:15:56.320 We are in such an eat the rich moment in the culture.

01:15:59.400 And to sort of roll up to an event like that, you know, where you're in a room with power brokers, the elite, to show up with three sort of, you know, unwashed proles carrying your train.

01:16:15.920 I mean, really, she couldn't exert herself to just sort of gather it up in her hand and walk in.

01:16:21.340 Like the rest of us do.

01:16:23.260 Every woman has had a dress that's a little long in the back and you hike it.

01:16:27.140 We all grab it and you hike it a little.

01:16:29.300 Only somebody who is just ridiculously self-important would do what she did.

01:16:33.840 You or I would be humiliated, even if we were at the Oscars or the coronation, to have the minions, that's how she sees them, actually carrying our dress, Maureen.

01:16:45.980 It's, it's laughable.

01:16:49.240 It's just so, you know, to your point earlier, too, about her record of online bullying and bullying people she thinks are clearly easy targets, low-hanging fruit.

01:17:00.540 You know, she made, she generated a ton of headlines when she bullied Courtney Stodden years ago and tweeted things like, you know, go take a dirt nap.

01:17:10.440 Go to sleep forever.

01:17:12.240 You know, she sort of got in the fray with Alison Roman after Alison Roman sort of took a, I think, a fair swipe at a celebrity just sort of entering a culinary space, a space in which she has zero expertise.

01:17:29.380 But Alison Roman covers that for the times it did.

01:17:31.260 It somehow got turned into this racialized attack that left Alison Roman canceled for years.

01:17:39.220 She lost her New York Times column over it, you know, so stop it with this idea that Chrissy Tinkin is the kindest woman who, who ever walked the earth.

01:17:49.600 And I'm sorry, but the bit about like, I mean, first it's so typical of these leftists to not have their facts, right?

01:17:55.840 It's like not, not, no, there was no firing of Fox news, quite the opposite to not understand where this show is in its history and its success.

01:18:06.100 They don't care about those facts. They just say what they want to say, but the, to actually call anyone, anyone on this earth, like desperate for attention when you're married to Chrissy Tinkin.

01:18:17.420 I mean, Candace did do a brilliant bit on this on, on truly like she tweeted, she took those photos of herself when first she told us it was a miscarriage.

01:18:26.800 Then after Roe versus Wade was reversed, she admitted it was an abortion.

01:18:30.600 She said it was a lifesaving abortion that she had to have, whatever it was, what woman takes photographs of herself as she's losing her baby and tweets them out, gets their PR agent to publicize them with the crying eyes, with the husband holding them.

01:18:49.260 I'll just say this, Maureen. A lot of us have had moments like that. And some of us choose to keep them private because they are private. And not only would we not talk about them publicly, but we would never dream of tweeting out the loss of a child.

01:19:04.240 There seems to be a complete absence of anything being off limits, anything feeling too sacred to commodify or to send out as clickbait or to be used to really, I think in instances such as this, valorize oneself, right?

01:19:28.020 To be seeking sympathy, to be seeking praise for being so brave. And, you know, these two are, there's nothing they won't attend. You know, they are acolytes of reality television. They, there's, there's no bar too low, really. Attention is attention, be it good or bad. And I couldn't agree with you more.

01:19:54.700 It's not dissimilar to what we saw at the Met Gala, which was the day after the White House Correspondents Dinner. I read your piece on that, where you've got these stars, sort of. It's not like when I went back in seven, 16, it was like Reese Witherspoon. It was all A-listers. I will admit Kim Kardashian was there with her husband, Kanye. But other than that, I mean, truly, it was truly A-list Hollywood talent. Now it's like all these wannabe

01:20:24.700 influencers, influencers, of course, the entire Kardashian clan still going and celebrating of all people, Karl Lagerfeld. Like now you've got some people, even in that world, calling for Anna Wintour to be canceled, calling for the Met Gala to be canceled because they're so tone deaf about what people are actually going through in their lives and what the hell it is they're celebrating.

01:20:45.480 Right. I mean, celebrating somebody who actively fat shamed and called certain women ugly, said feminists were ugly, you know, and that's what I mean about there's a certain strata of power brokers, celebrities who just truly refuse to read the room.

01:21:09.920 And it seems at times that Anna Wintour is transmitting from an alternate planet, you know, to look at what was going on at that red carpet and the caliber of guests.

01:21:20.040 I mean, that was once the gala of galas. You could not buy a ticket unless Anna approved you.

01:21:28.520 And I thought it was so interesting this year. So there were three Kardashians, I believe.

01:21:33.660 Others left off the guest list. It was Paris Hilton's first time getting in.

01:21:38.760 And that was because she was a guest of Marc Jacobs, who was a longtime pet of Anna's.

01:21:44.580 But it feels grasping. It feels desperate. It feels very let them eat cake.

01:21:52.300 And I mean, I honestly think that Vogue lost all of its authority the moment she caved and put Kim and Kanye on the cover. That was it.

01:22:01.180 Mm hmm. And of course, was so quick to celebrate Jill Biden and Michelle Obama, but managed to ignore the only first lady that we've ever had who's an actual supermodel.

01:22:15.000 And it's like, OK.

01:22:18.320 Yeah. I mean, you know, we know her politics, you know, but, you know, also, this is a woman who commissioned a sympathetic profile on the Syrian first lady.

01:22:29.780 Hmm. And this, you know, gets swept under the rug by by much of the mainstream media, because Anna's I mean, it's I think she will she will go to her grave, you know, before she relinquishes her title and her position at Condé Nast.

01:22:50.300 Yes. But Vogue is so irrelevant as it is. I mean, when was the last time you looked to Vogue for anything?

01:22:56.320 Never. I haven't. I don't I don't even do it when, you know, she had me over.

01:23:00.660 She actually had me over to have lunch with her after that that presidential debate.

01:23:04.880 And it was like going to meet with the head of state. It was like the guys with the headsets, the Janet Jackson headsets, like she's coming and we're 15 away and we're 10 away.

01:23:12.880 And like it was just like absolutely absurd what you had to go through to meet with her.

01:23:17.900 And then there was another time back then where it was a couple of years later.

01:23:22.140 She was through this big party at her house for journalists, like female journalists.

01:23:26.380 And I went to that. There were some CNNers there and there was, you know, people more in our industry.

01:23:30.980 And it was the most absurd thing, Maureen, because we all she she has one of these townhouses where you come in through sort of what is the basement and you see that this one area.

01:23:42.080 But then you walk upstairs to get to the main living area.

01:23:44.560 So we were all up in the main living area and having drinks and talking about Trump.

01:23:49.100 It was during Trump. And then it was time to go.

01:23:51.940 You know, it's like a two hour cocktail party. So we were all being escorted out.

01:23:55.300 And she had us walk right by the dining room table, which was on floor one with Amal Clooney and sort of her A-listers as we, the little plebe journalists, were escorted out.

01:24:10.760 Wow. So what a telling detail.

01:24:16.600 What? That is insanity.

01:24:19.540 Is it? Most of us would be too embarrassed to do that.

01:24:22.520 Like if you're going to have a party with just your A-list portion of the party, have it a place that the other guests don't have to walk right by.

01:24:28.820 Oh, no, no, no. She has to rub your faces in it. She has to remind you she is queen of of all she surveys.

01:24:36.340 And that extends to New York media elite. And she's going to make you feel a little bit less than so.

01:24:43.860 Any sort of excitement you may have had about getting a private invitation to Anna Wintour's townhouse.

01:24:49.200 Right. It's just you're completely, you know, deflated on your way out.

01:24:54.040 It's so on brand. I love it. Yeah. But she, of course, wants to think she's pro women.

01:24:58.960 That was all like these women journalists and so on.

01:25:01.100 And yet, weirdly, I haven't seen the big profile in Vogue calling out Leah Thomas for stealing our medals or calling out San Francisco University or San Francisco, whatever college it was, for attacking Riley Gaines.

01:25:13.940 And that leads me to today's insane trans news.

01:25:17.860 There's so much to pick from, but I've got to get to this story.

01:25:20.520 The headline from the Daily Mail, or you write, is trans woman is cleared of flashing her penis.

01:25:30.540 All right. First of all, that is not a phrase that that is fake news.

01:25:35.420 Her penis at three women using Ohio YWMCA after judge ruled she's too fat for her penis to be visible.

01:25:48.100 Well, maybe she can't see her penis, but clearly the other women in the locker room, the biological women in the locker room could see it and they don't like it and they want this person out.

01:25:59.960 And it's, of course, look at the judge.

01:26:02.560 The judge is a man telling women what we can and cannot abide.

01:26:07.020 You know, this story is infuriating because it reminded me immediately of another story that broke last week.

01:26:13.160 And these stories are breaking all the time. It's almost impossible to keep up.

01:26:17.400 A teenage girl testified in California, a student at MLK High School.

01:26:22.080 She testified before a school board over the male student who identified as female who had attacked other female students in their bathroom.

01:26:33.560 And she got up and she said, none of you ask us if we're OK with this.

01:26:40.100 None of you ask us if we feel safe.

01:26:43.400 Why is it OK for us to feel unsafe?

01:26:49.000 And this is this is the question that hangs over all of it.

01:26:52.480 Right. Not just women's protected spaces.

01:26:55.160 But why is it OK for trans athletes to elbow their way into female sports, elite competitions?

01:27:04.220 You know, in some cases, athletes who've only begun in their middle age to begin training, let alone competing, wiping the floor with women 15, 20 years their junior who have been training their entire lives.

01:27:17.760 Austin Killips.

01:27:18.260 Who won last week, by the way, you know, he Austin Killips, who identifies as female, won a UCI race, came in first, won a thirty five thousand dollar purse, which for the first time in that history's race had been elevated to equal the purse of the male who won in the men's competition.

01:27:40.940 So this is, you know, talk about irony.

01:27:45.480 Yeah. So men won both competitions.

01:27:47.840 The biological men won both competitions for the first time.

01:27:50.400 And they're they're celebrating that Austin Killips is not sorry, not even a little that he took one of our medals and prize money.

01:27:58.920 And it's outrageous. If I can, I got to go back to the very, very obese YMCA person.

01:28:06.320 Darren Glines is his name.

01:28:08.380 Now Darren goes by Rachel and this was a criminal trial.

01:28:12.940 He was facing criminal counts of indecent, indecent exposure at this YMCA in Ohio.

01:28:19.580 They said that and the only reason he was cleared is because he was allowed to be there by by policy and maybe Ohio law to allowing men to be in women's locker rooms as long as they say they identify as female.

01:28:31.980 Well, this guy had several complaints made against him dating back to twenty twenty one with at least three people complaining they saw a naked male in the women's locker room.

01:28:43.280 One said there were three juveniles present with a woman going to the front desk to report the issue.

01:28:49.400 And then the worker up front reassured her that, oh, no, it's actually a woman and you shouldn't be disturbed.

01:28:55.860 You take a look at this.

01:28:57.060 Darren Glines.

01:28:58.120 That is no woman.

01:28:59.920 I don't know what that is.

01:29:00.960 That is a disturbed man who's gotten so addicted to food.

01:29:05.100 He can no longer see his own penis and thinks we can't either.

01:29:08.380 Hello.

01:29:09.340 I'd be complaining, too.

01:29:10.860 And now that he's been found not guilty because he's too fat to see his penis, he's going to be able to go right back in there, right back in there, Maureen.

01:29:17.500 You know, you have to ask yourself, right?

01:29:20.580 So any decent person who is being told that you are making an entire cohort who is already societally vulnerable, uncomfortable, you are making them feel unsafe.

01:29:35.300 Any decent person might say, let's work out a third option here.

01:29:39.120 Right.

01:29:39.660 Is there a private place I could go change?

01:29:41.780 And it's this, it's this, we're not even having the adult discussion, right, about who is genuinely identifying as female, how we sort of work around these very real world complications that have practical applications to the safety of women.

01:30:03.240 And those who might be, as you said, disturbed and sort of, this is sort of a paraphilia, right?

01:30:12.160 Perhaps they're getting off on this exact kind of thing.

01:30:17.120 You know, it's just, you have to wonder where the voices are.

01:30:21.540 And, you know, we see it in sport.

01:30:23.180 There are very, very few.

01:30:25.220 You know, you have the Martina Navratilovas and the Riley Gaineses who stand up.

01:30:29.380 But in the culture at large, among our elected officials, people who have, people even in the media, very, very, very few are willing to vocalize their upset about this.

01:30:43.520 And you have to wonder what it's going to take.

01:30:46.100 I mean, I don't know, Megan, what do you think it's going to take?

01:30:49.540 I think we're getting there.

01:30:50.480 I think the Riley Gaines getting assaulted thing was an inflection point.

01:30:54.140 Leah Thomas was an inflection point.

01:30:55.600 All these trans activists on TikTok saying they're going to shoot us up or they're going to hurt us or that trans women are more women than we are, than biological women are, that they're more female.

01:31:07.960 I mean, no, no, no.

01:31:10.160 I really think we're getting there.

01:31:12.540 And I just think that too much of this, they pushed us too far, Maureen, because they sold us a bill of goods.

01:31:18.080 This is about being kind.

01:31:19.240 This is going to be about compassion.

01:31:20.860 Oh, the poor children who are confused.

01:31:22.440 Don't be such an asshole.

01:31:23.600 You know, be supportive.

01:31:24.760 And we were.

01:31:25.880 We were.

01:31:26.780 And it was like the camel's nose, right?

01:31:28.580 Because once we saw the entire camel is now under the tent and it looks like that Darren Gleim's and the camel needs to get out.

01:31:35.480 You see Darren Gleim's coming at you in the women's lady room.

01:31:37.920 There's not a person alive who wouldn't say, get him out of here.

01:31:40.240 It doesn't belong.

01:31:40.820 It's a man.

01:31:41.460 The guy who was in the sorority playing with himself as he watched the girls change their clothes because he was getting off on the fact that he was in.

01:31:48.160 No, the women prisoners, the girls, the 14 year old girls who had the penis coming at him in the girls.

01:31:53.780 We could go on.

01:31:54.660 We could be here all day.

01:31:56.020 No.

01:31:56.760 Right.

01:31:57.000 So I think we're there.

01:31:58.180 This is a massive moment for us.

01:31:59.800 The number of women.

01:32:00.820 Maybe you have the same who stopped me at the soccer game on the street at the party wherever to say, thank God.

01:32:06.920 Thank you so much for saying exactly what I feel.

01:32:09.040 And they've been afraid.

01:32:10.540 They felt like you and I have, but they've been afraid.

01:32:13.220 But they're less afraid right now.

01:32:16.020 Yeah, I hear it from readers.

01:32:17.340 I get emails and things, you know, and it's sort of the depth of the gratitude almost feels disproportionate.

01:32:24.140 But that to your point, that's how afraid women have been to speak up and defend themselves.

01:32:30.700 And, you know, I agree with you completely.

01:32:32.840 We've been gaslit into believing that if we are to say anything and to raise our hands and say, no, this makes us uncomfortable or we're not safe, that we are then transphobic.

01:32:43.740 We are bigots.

01:32:44.520 We are TERFs, et cetera.

01:32:46.640 You know, whenever I write about this, I almost always try to hit this point because I think we can't hit it hard enough.

01:32:53.200 We are not seeing the opposite happen with biological men.

01:32:57.000 They are not being asked to see their spaces.

01:32:59.440 They are not being – we don't see a barnstorming of trans men demanding an erasure of nomenclature, you know.

01:33:09.560 We don't call erectile dysfunction something gender nonspecific, you know.

01:33:15.460 It's women, once again, like, you know, we really need to recognize exactly what's happening.

01:33:22.780 I think it's our next great fight.

01:33:24.720 This and reproductive rights, it sort of goes hand in hand.

01:33:27.780 And I really think it goes beyond just sports.

01:33:30.380 It goes beyond just sports and children, which are absolutely children's number one.

01:33:34.680 But those are some of the top two issues.

01:33:36.300 It's about – it's okay to say, I don't want them in my bathroom.

01:33:40.560 I don't want them in my locker room.

01:33:42.520 I don't want them in any of my women's spaces, my sororities, my prisons.

01:33:46.240 I don't want them.

01:33:47.620 They don't belong.

01:33:48.700 And the people we are arguing with over this are men.

01:33:51.080 Men, we should have the ultimate say.

01:33:54.060 Our views are superior because there are spaces.

01:33:57.780 We are women.

01:33:59.220 They're men.

01:34:00.480 How have we seeded this debate to men?

01:34:03.320 And by the way, most men, actual men, who are not suffering from some sort of delusion, are on our side.

01:34:09.800 The poll – there was a poll out just this weekend showing vast majorities of the American public don't want to see males in female sports,

01:34:15.760 don't want to see us mess with children, don't want any of this discussed in schools, and so on.

01:34:19.200 They're with us.

01:34:21.080 I know.

01:34:22.540 I know.

01:34:23.280 But, you know, the bulk of the media, you know, focuses on things like – they'll focus on Florida.

01:34:30.040 There was a headline this morning about drag queen story hour, you know.

01:34:34.660 And we're talking about – when you say children, number one, I couldn't agree more.

01:34:39.720 Like, let's not sexualize children before the time comes.

01:34:45.940 You know, let children be children.

01:34:47.260 And, you know, if I had a teenager in a locker room who had to deal with a biological male in there stripping down and swinging his member around – I mean, this was one of the things that Riley brought up regarding Leah Thomas.

01:35:03.720 This is an anatomical male stripping down, attracted to females, swinging his member around, knowing that the bulk of those athletes are extremely uncomfortable.

01:35:16.280 And not only doesn't care, but is probably getting off on it, you know.

01:35:21.940 But we are villainized.

01:35:24.200 We are the bad guys.

01:35:25.720 It's a cultural delusion that – I mean, I hope that you're right.

01:35:30.960 I do feel we're at a tipping point.

01:35:32.880 I don't know that we're there yet.

01:35:34.260 I think we need to see more women with the bravery of, say, a J.K. Rowling stand up and say, this is not right.

01:35:43.380 But – and especially on the left.

01:35:45.440 That's where it really needs to come from.

01:35:47.880 Anna Riley Gaines, you know, I mean, she was the only swimmer in that whole mess to actually speak out about it on the record.

01:35:53.780 I think she was the only one.

01:35:54.840 If not, there wasn't more than one or two, to just say it how it is.

01:35:59.360 I mean, as Kelly J. Keene said to me on the show a couple Fridays ago, it's not for women to make men feel more comfortable in our spaces.

01:36:06.920 I don't care.

01:36:07.820 I'm actually not sorry that you're getting kicked out of my bathroom, et cetera.

01:36:10.960 I'm not sorry.

01:36:11.840 Sorry, not sorry.

01:36:13.000 Those days need to end.

01:36:14.740 Maureen Callahan, you're the best.

01:36:16.220 Love, love, love everything you write at the Daily Mail.

01:36:18.240 Thanks for coming on.

01:36:19.360 Thanks, Megan.

01:36:22.540 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

01:36:24.440 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - May 08, 2023

Tucker's Next Move, Harry's Quick UK Trip, and Trump's Wild Deposition, with Dan Wootton, Maureen Callahan, and Robert Gouveia ｜ Ep. 545

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