The Megyn Kelly Show - Tulsi Gabbard on Trump's VP Decision, Jill Biden's Ego, and Joe Biden's Disastrous Foreign Policy ｜ Ep. 834

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.880 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.220 There have been two straight weeks of massive fallout since the debate last month.

00:00:19.500 My next guest debated President Joe Biden several times, but perhaps a different version of him back in 2020.

00:00:25.680 Plus, Donald Trump is expected to announce a VP pick very soon, and this person has been mentioned as a potential for that slot as well.

00:00:34.360 Tulsi Gabbard is here with me. Her book is For Love of Country, Leave the Democrat Party Behind, and it's available right now.

00:00:44.820 Tulsi, great to see you. How are you?

00:00:46.520 Thank you, Megyn. It's great to see you. I'm doing very well. Thank you.

00:00:49.400 You know, I went back last time, like the first time that you were on, not the last time, but the first time you were on, it was before we even had video on the show.

00:00:56.540 You were actually one of our very first episodes, just a couple of months into broadcasting. So it's so fun. Thank you for coming back.

00:01:03.220 Well, congratulations. Congratulations on all of your growth and your success and how many people you're reaching with the truth at a time when it's becoming increasingly hard to find.

00:01:13.400 Thank you very much. And back at you. So I guess I should start there. Do you have anything to update us with on the Trump VP search?

00:01:24.540 No, I think it's it's accurate. And I believe them when they say he is not likely to announce his decision until just before he has to at the convention.

00:01:33.560 So anybody who says they know what he's going to do, from what I hear, they don't know what they're talking about. This is his decision.

00:01:41.520 Now, last night he was in Florida with Marco Rubio. That's, of course, Rubio's home state and the state from which he's a senator.

00:01:47.500 And he did make a comment about Rubio as potential VP. We have that, you guys. We do. I think it's SOT 25. Listen.

00:01:55.960 Them back there. Oh, that's a lot, Marco. That's a lot, Marco.

00:02:06.060 I think they probably think I'm going to be announcing that Marco is going to be vice president.

00:02:10.860 I don't know. Because that's a lot of press. That's a lot of press.

00:02:14.760 Now, I think him even mentioning that Marco could be vice president and he mentioned it a second time, saying something like you're going to vote for this policy of mine, but you may or may not be in the Senate, you know, this time next year to do it.

00:02:32.800 I think this is a reason to believe Marco is not getting it, because I don't think Trump would be so on the nose if he were the pick.

00:02:38.840 But what's your take? I mean, you know, Trump Trump is a master of of entertainment and drawing out this kind of version of a reality show that we're watching play out here.

00:02:51.440 So, you know, I'm not going to pretend to know how he's thinking or what he's doing, but I'll tell you my own opinion on Marco Rubio.

00:02:58.860 I think it would be a huge mistake for President Trump to choose him because he represents the neocon warmongering establishment of Washington, D.C., which which stands diametrically opposed to the very policies that President Trump has always stood for, going all the way back to when he ran for president in 2016 through that first term in office and the things that he's talking about wanting to do now.

00:03:23.840 And it would just it would send the wrong message to a lot of folks who are very concerned about the fact that we are on the brink of war with Russia and China and Iran and North Korea.

00:03:35.600 We're closer to the brink of nuclear Armageddon than we ever have been before.

00:03:40.020 They're concerned that that like last time, Trump may surround himself with neocon warmongers who are going to undermine the foreign policy that he is advocating for every step of the way.

00:03:51.140 And if Marco Rubio is his vice president, then that is that is what we will face.

00:03:57.160 And it will cause a lot of people to question what kind of foreign policy will actually be executed will be the one that Trump wants and stands for.

00:04:05.240 Or will it be one that will continue the deep state neocon warmongers who've gotten us into the mess that we are in now?

00:04:12.340 I mean, it does make you think, what does he gain with Marco Rubio?

00:04:15.140 He doesn't need his help in Florida.

00:04:16.960 Yes, he's more establishment, but it's not like Marco Rubio is the most beloved established.

00:04:23.760 I mean, if you just want to like I got to bite the bullet and get the establishment, I guess you go with Nikki Haley, who at least ran.

00:04:30.240 But like, do you get something more with OK, he's Hispanic.

00:04:33.320 Trump's already doing very well with Hispanics without Marco.

00:04:35.920 So I see your analysis, you know, perfectly.

00:04:39.940 I I still think J.D. Vance is probably, you know, one of the favorites.

00:04:44.520 But but let me throw this your way, because Axios reports as follows that in the wake of the disastrous debate by Joe Biden, former President Trump, they report is adjusting his agenda, the GOP platform, his vice presidential plans.

00:05:00.560 Even his debate style to win over more than half a dozen persuadable voter groups in seven states.

00:05:09.960 Advisors tell us examples.

00:05:12.140 Trump personally edited the GOP platform and is lying low following Biden's debate performance, notwithstanding many times to bait him into doing or saying something controversial by Joe Biden.

00:05:21.840 He's been quiet on the abortion thing.

00:05:24.920 Trump ruled the RNC in abortion.

00:05:27.120 The platform does not call for a nationwide ban now for the first time in 40 years.

00:05:31.220 Trump removed that.

00:05:32.620 And he also took out the part that refers to marriage as a traditional marriage between one man and one woman.

00:05:40.420 So that's one of the ways in which he's trying to win these allegedly, according to Axios, these swing state voters.

00:05:47.940 And it says he is targeting working class white voters, security focused moms, Hispanic working class men and Nevada bartenders angered by high taxes on tips.

00:06:04.840 He's dropped his retribution threats and January 6th celebrations.

00:06:08.340 Advisors have told him both turn off swing voters.

00:06:11.380 So if you wanted to get, Tulsi, working class white voters, security focused moms, Hispanic working class men and Nevada bartenders, who would you pick?

00:06:19.100 Well, I think the you know, the key to all of these different groups is is the fact that those who are undecided are relatively small number of people that they've correctly identified in this small number of swing states that will ultimately decide the election.

00:06:34.240 I think you also have to look at those who are, you know, broadly politically homeless, those who are libertarians and who want to make sure that their vote will actually count and make a difference in this election.

00:06:47.540 And then you look at a lot of the voters who are drawn to Bobby Kennedy, but may see that, again, they there doesn't appear to be a viable path forward for him to actually win the presidency.

00:06:59.860 And considering what they will do with their vote in a general election, I can tell you because I know a lot of these people and I've been spending a lot of time with them, not only this this election year, but but for years.

00:07:11.860 And one of the things that they are very, very concerned about, once again, is is our foreign policy.

00:07:17.080 You talk about, you know, the security focused moms, but there are a lot of people who are really concerned about not only the safety and security of our communities here at home and and rampant crime and how we're seeing in many states the laws are favoring the criminals over the victims of these crimes, but also recognizing, again, the heightening tensions and increasing warmongering happening on multiple fronts around the world.

00:07:41.860 They're concerned about what happened in the last Trump administration and how will things be different this time.

00:07:50.520 So there's some trust that has to be earned there and there's some outreach that has to be done to to show what kind of presidency and what kind of cabinet Trump will surround himself with this time so that people who are undecided and not sure what they're going to do will have an indication of of the kind of platform that will actually be executed should Trump win the presidency again.

00:08:13.300 All right. Now, translated, that means, in my view, who better to choose than a nonpartisan person who served her country honorably and is against the forever wars like Tulsi.

00:08:26.260 I mean, I haven't heard you on the short list, but I hear your point.

00:08:30.620 And even if you don't make it as a potential VP candidate, doesn't mean you wouldn't be in the cabinet.

00:08:35.020 Um, you mentioned RFKJ. I do want to share this with the audience because they know I've got this long history with him now.

00:08:40.780 He's been on the program. We helped resurrect him from the wilderness when he couldn't even get a forum in which to espouse his views, which was wrong.

00:08:48.380 But I will tell you, there's a reason he started running as a Democrat.

00:08:53.360 This is for the audience. He is one. He's has to he had to run as an independent because the Democrat Party blocked him.

00:08:58.960 But he tweeted this out just two days ago or yesterday.

00:09:03.040 Systemic racism against black Americans is deeply embedded in our prison and legal systems, educational institutions, job markets, access to capital and beyond.

00:09:15.120 While the moral argument for reparations is compelling, persistent opposition in Congress makes their implementation challenging.

00:09:24.380 However, I'm committed to enacting effective and achievable solutions to uplift black Americans and will do so immediately as president.

00:09:31.260 I mean, this whole DEI talk by somebody who's trying to curry favor with Republican or right leaning voters or even centrist. 0.99

00:09:38.520 Celsi strikes me as dumb, absolutely just dumb, off message and tone deaf. 0.99

00:09:45.040 What do you think? 1.00

00:09:46.500 Yeah, you know, it's I think people are I am frustrated.

00:09:50.840 I know a lot of people are frustrated about how divisive things have increasingly become over time.

00:09:57.480 And more specifically, again, by those who claim to celebrate Dr. Martin Luther King and his dream of of encouraging us to see beyond the color of our skin and to judge each other by our character are some of the very same people who then go on to judge us by the color of our skin and try to divide us by racializing everything.

00:10:17.200 This is one of the reasons why I left the Democratic Party.

00:10:20.320 I dedicate a whole chapter in my book to this very topic because of how destructive and divisive it has become.

00:10:28.160 And it's taken us completely in the wrong direction.

00:10:31.340 I think it's so important.

00:10:32.920 And this is the kind of leadership we need right now in our country is leaders who will take us back to the basics of what does it mean to be an American?

00:10:40.780 Whether you're black, white, brown, Hispanic, Polynesian, Asian, whatever it is, what does it mean for us to be Americans?

00:10:47.660 What do we cherish?

00:10:48.440 What do we celebrate in this country?

00:10:49.920 And getting back to those foundational principles of freedom and these principles that are actually under assault today.

00:10:57.840 This is not some, you know, theoretical conversation that's that's high up in the clouds.

00:11:04.220 Again, this is a very real threat that we're seeing coming from the Biden-Harris administration, the Democrat elite, their friends in the big propaganda media, big tech, social media, all of these different powers that be that are coalescing around how to maintain and preserve their power.

00:11:20.700 The way that they are doing this is by increasingly taking away our fundamental rights and freedoms, undermining the rule of law and weaponizing our public institutions.

00:11:29.680 So, you know, this is this is the thing that I believe we must come together around and where we can come together around, even if we may disagree on, you know, health care policy or education policy.

00:11:42.000 The reality is that we won't even be able to have open debate and dialogue around these issues or to criticize our government's positions on these issues if the Democrat elite continue to have their way because they'll do what they've been doing to me, to you and to so many others, which is say, oh, you know, this person is spreading misinformation and disinformation.

00:12:02.320 So we got to shut them up for the greater public good, which is the mind to be able to continue doing that with the government, with in cooperation with the government, thanks to the Supreme Court ruling that came out.

00:12:13.340 Exactly.

00:12:13.840 Saying, I mean, it's fine.

00:12:14.940 No one have standing to complain.

00:12:16.940 It was it was a terrible ruling for people like you, like me, like Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who spoke the truth out of Stanford on COVID and were shut down because of government censorship unleashed through the social media companies.

00:12:30.180 A case that was rejected by the Supreme Court for lack of standing, saying that they had proven no injury while they were injured.

00:12:35.780 And Clarence Thomas's dissent showed that.

00:12:39.220 Well, I don't I mean, I think for me, this kind of thing from RFKJ is a real problem.

00:12:43.560 His stance on women and the trans issue is a real problem.

00:12:46.800 I love what he did about COVID.

00:12:48.420 I love his challenges to the military industrial complex.

00:12:51.300 I love his distrust of big government institutions.

00:12:54.640 And I actually like that he's focused on the environment to some degree, though some of his statements are pretty wacky on it.

00:13:00.660 But he's got he's got some real problems when it comes to this sort of this far left lane of the Democrat Party that's still in him and still supported by him.

00:13:08.420 Not to mention what I read in Maureen Callahan's book, which is called Ask Not.

00:13:13.940 You have to buy it.

00:13:14.820 She came on the show.

00:13:16.300 All right.

00:13:16.560 I want to talk about the Bidens and the debate, both Bidens, because Jill's in the news a lot right now, too.

00:13:24.420 I know you watched.

00:13:25.300 I haven't yet seen you comment on it.

00:13:28.320 I'm sure you have.

00:13:29.080 But just before we say goodbye to the SiriusXM audience and carry you over to podcast and YouTube, your your one minute thought on that debate.

00:13:35.880 I'd expose what so many of us have known all along, which is President Biden is not capable of serving as our commander in chief.

00:13:43.640 He is unfit to be our president now.

00:13:46.040 What to speak of to be allowed to serve in that position for the next four years.

00:13:50.440 This should tell us then that if they are reelected, if a Biden Harris ticket is reelected, we are vote or people who vote for that ticket will be voting for a president Kamala Harris, which should then beg the question.

00:14:04.220 Is she prepared to be our nation's commander in chief, especially at a time once again when we are on the brink of war in almost every region around the world and closer to nuclear war than ever before?

00:14:15.820 The answer to that is unequivocally no.

00:14:19.000 She has never been prepared.

00:14:20.640 She shouldn't have been chosen as vice president.

00:14:22.620 She certainly would be destructive and disastrous should she be elevated to that position, whether she's on the top of the ticket or whether she continues to run with Biden as vice president. 0.99

00:14:33.020 What we do know for sure, just as we've seen with President Biden, we would see the same with Kamala Harris and frankly, anyone else they may try to put up as a last ditch effort.

00:14:42.540 It's not them who are making the decisions.

00:14:44.860 It is the bureaucrats, administrative state, the deep state, the Tony Blinkens, the Hillary Clintons, the Jake Sullivans who are the puppeteers who are making the decisions about the future of our country.

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00:15:55.360 Now, Senator Harris says she's proud of her record as a prosecutor and that she'll be a prosecutor president, but I'm deeply concerned about this record.

00:16:06.020 There are too many examples to cite, but she put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana. 1.00

00:16:14.260 She blocked evidence that would have freed an innocent man from death row until the courts forced her to do so.

00:16:24.540 She kept people in prison beyond their sentences to use them as cheap labor for the state of California. 1.00

00:16:29.880 And she fought to keep cash bail system in place that impacts poor people in the worst kind of way. 1.00

00:16:37.580 On the subject of Kamala Harris, she's you've debated her.

00:16:40.780 You know her.

00:16:42.060 She was very nasty to you in the in the last, you know, go around. 1.00

00:16:47.080 What kind of a person is she? 1.00

00:16:48.520 I'm smiling as I'm remembering in the big famous debate moment that that we had in the exchange that we had that I can't even tell you how many people stop me who say that is how they know me from that that exchange.

00:17:02.740 We had where I simply held her to account for her record on criminal justice that she was touting.

00:17:09.380 She was so proud of and exposed the truth about the harm that she had done when she was in a position to actually help people and bring about positive reform.

00:17:18.700 I was remembering right after that debate happened, she went back into the spin room and she was asked a question.

00:17:25.000 I forget which network it was CNN or MSNBC.

00:17:27.360 They were asking her a follow up about her record and about what I had questioned her on.

00:17:32.260 And her response was, well, I'm not going to comment on someone who is not a top tier candidate for president.

00:17:40.080 And and to me, that kind of illustrates what kind of person she actually is.

00:17:46.960 What do you think the Democrats are doing right now?

00:17:49.300 Because we have Nancy Pelosi now refusing to say that Joe Biden should stay in.

00:17:55.860 She was asked over and over and it was pretty explicit.

00:17:58.620 I'll just pull it up so I don't so I give you the exact language.

00:18:02.260 The question on MSNBC by Jonathan Lemire was, does he have your support to be the head of the Democrats?

00:18:10.880 It's up to the president to decide if he is going to run.

00:18:13.820 She doesn't say yes.

00:18:14.780 Then he follows up.

00:18:16.000 He's said he made the decision.

00:18:18.080 He said it firmly this week.

00:18:19.300 He's going to run.

00:18:20.560 Do you want him to run?

00:18:22.260 I want him to do whatever he decides to do.

00:18:25.620 And that's the way it is.

00:18:26.940 Whatever he decides will go with.

00:18:29.320 So once again, she didn't say, yes, I want him to run.

00:18:33.320 Now you have James Clyburn refusing to say to The Washington Post whether Joe Biden's decision to stay in is final.

00:18:40.680 He's national campaign show co-chairman.

00:18:42.840 He says, ask him.

00:18:44.160 So there's daylight starting to open up and you've got Joe Manchin saying, just wait to the end of this week.

00:18:50.380 Just wait.

00:18:51.280 Got George Clooney coming out the time saying, I love him, but he's got to go.

00:18:55.340 And at that fundraiser three weeks ago, I saw the Joe Biden that you all saw in the debate.

00:18:59.820 Like he must go.

00:19:01.000 He cannot win.

00:19:01.940 The polls showing that he will not only lose, he will bring the House and the Senate into Republican control.

00:19:08.520 So, you know, Democratic politics better than most, what's going to happen?

00:19:13.160 You know, I think that the powers that be who are obviously not many of these elected officials who are standing out there basically shrugging their shoulders, saying that they will basically the read between the lines is whether it's Nancy Pelosi or Clyburn or any of these other people, they are waiting to be told what to do.

00:19:31.020 They are waiting to be to get their marching orders from the powers that be behind the curtains who are trying to decide which is going to be their winning horse in this race.

00:19:44.240 They don't really care about Joe Biden.

00:19:46.580 They don't really care about Kamala Harris or anyone else.

00:19:49.140 Their goal is just to win so that they can stay in power.

00:19:52.720 They don't care about policies or record or effectiveness or qualification or any of the things that we as voters would like to see in our candidate for the presidency.

00:20:01.820 It's all about their preservation of power.

00:20:04.380 So nothing would surprise me at this point if they go ahead and and basically threaten Joe Biden with the leverage of money and saying, hey, you're not going to have any support if you continue down this road or if they choose someone else by showering them with with support.

00:20:19.200 I just think it's important that voters don't be distracted by whatever the chess moves are that they are going to make.

00:20:26.400 Just know for sure and with confidence that whatever front man they put forward, it's going to be more of the exact same insanity, woke, racializing everything, radical, warmongering policies that the Biden-Harris administration has shown us that they are that they are doing in the last three and a half years.

00:20:47.380 Mm hmm. Yes, that I have that. I have no doubt they there are reports coming out now.

00:20:55.960 We heard the reports immediately after the debate that it's really Jill.

00:20:58.940 She's the only one who can convince him not to do this, not to stay on.

00:21:02.540 I mean, I think he should go right now. I don't think he should be the sitting president for one minute longer.

00:21:05.800 He should be 25th Amendment right out of office. He does not belong there.

00:21:08.780 But she also is obviously power hungry and is not taking care of her husband, who appears infirm to me.

00:21:16.140 She clearly wants the power. And now there are a couple of reports about her.

00:21:19.900 We showed the audience a picture of her a couple of years ago in advance of the G7.

00:21:23.680 She's sitting in his chair with his jacket over the chair, getting ready for the G7.

00:21:28.460 Now we have news that she's sitting in on Oval Office meetings. 0.99

00:21:35.620 Kevin McCarthy gave an interview on Fox News yesterday and said that that Jill Biden is sitting in on Oval Office meetings herself.

00:21:43.620 That led to this question that was asked of Karine Jean-Pierre about Jill's role in the White House on Tuesday.

00:21:51.320 Watch this in 13.

00:21:52.800 Kevin McCarthy just said that when he was the speaker, many times when we had meetings in the Oval Office, Jill was there as well.

00:22:02.220 When the first lady is in these meetings, is she making decisions or is she just advising the president? 1.00

00:22:06.840 No, the president is the president of the United States. He makes decisions.

00:22:12.200 You tell me, what is the first lady doing there with the speaker of the House discussing policy? 1.00

00:22:18.740 This is obviously this wouldn't have been newsworthy, which Kevin McCarthy would know if they were just glad handing and saying Merry Christmas.

00:22:25.620 This is very clearly policy discussions. What the hell is the first lady doing in there? 1.00

00:22:30.360 Yeah. You know, seeing Karine Jean-Pierre's response, anybody who saw the debate, anybody who's been paying attention for the last few years knows that that that's a lie.

00:22:40.980 It's a lie. It's a lie because we've seen that that he is incapable of of even communicating very simple things that you can tell he wants to try to communicate.

00:22:52.180 The crux of what is so wrong about all of this, once again, is that voters elected Joe Biden into office and we can't say exactly who that person is who is making those decisions.

00:23:05.500 So is it Jill Biden or is there someone else in the room? We're hearing Hunter Biden is now in these rooms and it's now become an advisor of a close advisor to to the president.

00:23:15.200 And it comes down to accountability. And if voters don't have any idea who is actually making those decisions and it's any one of a number or group of unelected individuals, then that directly contravenes our Constitution and our Democratic Republic and our ability as as voters to ensure that we have the government that we chose to put in place.

00:23:39.400 And so that that's going to continue to be an issue. And once again, you know, when you look at some of the focus and the headlines around President Biden's speech before NATO this past couple of days, are they're not focusing on the substance of what he's saying, which is actually very seriously consequential.

00:23:57.800 The speech that someone wrote for him to say, instead, they're saying, could he finish a sentence? Did he actually deliver a speech without stumbling? The substance has been shoved to the side, once again, distracting us from what is actually most important to all of us right now here in this.

00:24:14.980 Oh, I want to get to that. You're the perfect person to ask about what he was saying about NATO and Ukraine, which that's up next. But let me spend one more minute on Jill, because I don't know who she thinks she is, but I do think it might be someone with real power. And it shouldn't be.

00:24:30.880 She's another Hillary Clinton who thinks it's a co-presidency. There was news that got recirculated this week. It actually was broken by the Washington Examiner in January of 2022 that she wanted her own hail to the chief song.

00:24:47.480 And it happened. It's called fanfare for the first lady. And, uh, it was being played for her over and over again. The Washington Examiner, uh, reporting that she, that the Marine Corps band was instructed last fall. They wrote to come up with an entrance theme for the first lady that the band now has in its repertoire, an original composition titled fanfare for the first lady.

00:25:13.840 The song, according to their source is an original composition. And it's essentially Jill Biden's personal hail to the chief. This has caused, they report amusement and confusion within the band with some remarking that in the many years they've played in the group, this is the first time the group has had to provide the first lady with an exclusive entrance entrance theme. The white house at the time denied it and said, well, she never asked anyone to create it.

00:25:41.620 The band approached the band. The band approached the white house with this proposal. But again, that doesn't square with the reports that the band is very confused about why they're playing a song for her at all. And to top it all off, Tulsi, it's a terrible song. Listen to a little bit of this.

00:25:56.880 Everyone's standing. Like she's the president.

00:26:20.520 Literally sounds like something my fifth grade band could have played.

00:26:23.340 But the point is, her ego, her ego is out of control.

00:26:30.340 To, to, to, to again, I mean, there's just the lies that come from this white house are so egregious. I, they think they really think we're stupid and that somehow the Marine Corps band that serves across administrations, all of a sudden had a novel idea to create an entrance song for the first lady. 0.98

00:26:50.320 For the very first time is just madness in my view. 0.98

00:26:53.320 But also when you look at, okay. So if it's Jill Biden or it's her staff or whoever it may have been, Megan, I don't know about you, but I have never walked into a room and thought, oh my gosh, I need music to, to hail my entrance into this room.

00:27:12.040 To let the audience know I have arrived. Exactly. It's, it's like this might, it is that mindset of arrogance and of being so self-absorbed and really thinking it's about you rather than the people that you're there to serve.

00:27:25.920 Even as first lady, that is a job of service to the American people. And it's not about you. So why would you want to draw this attention to yourself? The only explanation is exactly what you said. It is about power and thinking that this world revolves around her and the husband that she's propping up rather than the people that they're supposed to be serving.

00:27:46.100 It's the same thing that makes her insist on being called doctor, even though she only has an advanced degree in education. She is not a medical doctor. The same thing, this necessary buildup of her ego that insists on that, that insists on a song and the trumpets, and that insists on her frail, non-compass-mentous husband staying in the presidency, even if it means he will exit the public stage in humiliation, in utter humiliation.

00:28:15.240 It's really sad. That, that, that, that was the feeling that I felt so much throughout that debate was just sadness, you know, for, for, I've known Joe Biden for a long time and, and really, really sad to see him standing on that stage when for so many reasons he has no business being there.

00:28:35.460 So onto the substance of President Biden this week with NATO, there's plenty of videos out there of him slurring and stumbling on his words. Our audience have seen it many, many times. So trust me, it's out there, but you're right. Substantively, he's digging in on, I mean, Tulsi, the Ukraine war is lost and it's,

00:28:59.460 it's, we're just not being honest about it in the media and certainly not from the White House. We're pouring more and more. It's a good money after bad. It's not that we don't have sympathy for the Ukrainian people. It's just at some point, you've got to realize when you've lost and then you have to cut those losses. And this president, I mean, he could take that lesson personally and he could take that lesson when it comes to Ukraine, but boy, he went a different way.

00:29:23.160 When NATO came to town this week. Here he is at the summit on Tuesday, stop 40.

00:29:30.160 Before this war, Putin thought NATO would break. Today, NATO is stronger than it's ever been in its history. When this census war began, Ukraine was a free country. Today, it is still a free country.

00:29:45.280 And the war will end with Ukraine remaining a free and independent country. Russia will not prevail. Ukraine will prevail.

00:29:58.340 Hmm. What did you make of it?

00:30:00.280 There's, there's, there's two major points here. Uh, number one is president Biden simply making the statement that Ukraine will prevail. Russia will not prevail. Does not make it.

00:30:15.780 So he is being dishonest with the American people and being dishonest with the people of Ukraine, who he claims to care about. 0.76

00:30:24.700 This war will continue to go on as a war of attrition. Many, many more Ukrainians will needlessly be killed in a war that you and I and many others have known from the very beginning would only end with a negotiated treaty.

00:30:39.880 Uh, there are so many reasons why this is the case. They have been proved out throughout the, the, uh, almost two years now that this war has been waged.

00:30:49.360 Russia has a strong military industrial complex. They have many, many more troops than Ukraine, uh, what we'll ever be able to muster.

00:30:57.640 And they are already running out of able-bodied men who are willing to go and fight.

00:31:01.840 They're essentially kidnapping men off the streets now and forcing them to fight and making it so that those who fled Ukraine, because they didn't want to fight in this war, being forced to come back into the country.

00:31:13.400 Russia has already rebuilt and reconstituted their military to a point where they are stronger now, both in hardware and in manpower than they were when they, when they started this war, when they invaded Ukraine, which obviously was, was wrong, but this is the reality that, that we are facing.

00:31:30.940 So for president Biden to say this, to make this statement, promising our taxpayer dollars, uh, as, as we know, some NATO allies are looking at sending in their troops, which if anything happened to a single one of their troops would invoke article five and force us to get involved.

00:31:49.940 Uh, he's being dishonest with the American people about the cost, both of our taxpayer dollars and our security.

00:31:55.980 The longer this goes on, the more it continues to escalate as president Biden is escalating this proxy war, which ultimately is about regime change in Russia.

00:32:05.580 The closer we get to, to nuclear Armageddon and we are already closer than we ever have been before.

00:32:12.460 Uh, the other point that I think is really important to make here is as you said, Megan, we do care about the people of Ukraine and their plight and the destruction and the loss that they are experiencing.

00:32:23.200 Those who really care about the people of Ukraine, if president Biden really cared, he would have led those negotiations to end this war a long time ago, a long time ago.

00:32:33.560 We have the leverage to be able to do it.

00:32:36.160 Lastly, he talks about Ukraine is free and will remain free.

00:32:41.280 What does that freedom look like?

00:32:43.640 Well, in a free Ukraine under president Zelensky, he has dismantled, disbarred and imprisoned any major political opposition individuals or political parties.

00:32:54.800 Anytime they stand up and start to challenge him, he uses his department of justice to ban their existence and to seize their assets.

00:33:02.920 He just did it again recently, a few weeks ago.

00:33:05.120 He has taken total control of, of all of the media in Ukraine.

00:33:10.060 It is now a government controlled media and government controlled messaging.

00:33:15.060 He has gone after, I think is the second largest church, uh, in Ukraine and banned them and shut them down.

00:33:22.740 Uh, he has canceled elections, uh, so that anyone who wanted to challenge him and his leadership and the decisions that he's making is not even have the opportunity to do so.

00:33:31.180 So how can you say this is a free country?

00:33:33.660 And secondly, we look at, well, how does that apply to, why should we care?

00:33:36.840 Why should we care about what Zelensky is doing there?

00:33:38.600 When we have our own president saying that we are defending Ukraine's democracy and we're defending Ukraine's freedom.

00:33:45.320 Well, if that's what he thinks is freedom and democracy, we got to pay really close attention to what they are doing here at home and how willing they may be to claim a state of war and martial law and cancel our own elections and defy our own constitution.

00:34:01.320 Because this is what freedom is to president Biden and his administration.

00:34:05.700 You know, one of the claims that, that Joe Biden made at that debate that again, we didn't really get to because we were all slack jawed at the actual condition of our president was, um, he continued to raise the, the blowback that he orchestrated against Russia and said, I shut Putin down.

00:34:23.560 I'm the guy who shut Putin down and you, you, you couldn't help.

00:34:28.000 He said this in the Stephanopoulos and he said in the debate too, and you couldn't help, but think, wait a minute, wait a minute, because first of all, you created a condition in which it, there was, it was provocative for, for Putin.

00:34:42.680 And that he believed based on your own words, which we don't know whether you knew you uttered or not about, well, if it's a minor incursion that he could do this and get away with it.

00:34:51.920 He saw what happened with Afghanistan and the disastrous withdrawal and how weakened the United States was.

00:34:56.400 And then he acted.

00:34:57.760 And then it is true that we led a worldwide effort to impose sanctions on Russia.

00:35:03.620 And Joe Biden said, let's wait to see how he is in 18 months.

00:35:06.500 Wait to see how Putin is in 18 months after all my sanctions.

00:35:08.920 Well, the reports are, and I confess, I haven't been following it that closely.

00:35:12.600 I'm sure you have, because you've been talking about a lot.

00:35:15.500 Their, their economy is doing fine.

00:35:18.120 They suffered a bit, but they've made up a lot of the revenue and the war funding that they've been doing.

00:35:22.680 And they are just trading with different partners now and not the Europeans.

00:35:26.100 And Putin seems like he's doing, you know, maybe not spectacularly, but fine.

00:35:30.800 And certainly hasn't been brought to his knees by anything we've done.

00:35:36.860 It's a fact.

00:35:37.700 It's a fact.

00:35:38.460 The fact that, that, that Joe Biden is gloating about the expansion of NATO, really what he is gloating about is the fact that he has made us, the American people in the world, far less safe.

00:35:50.540 Because by doing so knowingly, and history tells us this is true.

00:35:55.380 The red line has always been around, for Russia, has always been around how they view an expansion of NATO encroaching around their borders as a red line and as an existential threat to their security.

00:36:08.260 It's been very clear since before Putin was ever even in power, and it still remains true today.

00:36:14.240 We look at how we would feel if we were in a similar situation.

00:36:17.380 We would also be concerned about such an existential threat.

00:36:20.260 So the fact that even before Putin invaded Ukraine, you had Kamala Harris once again out there in a very provocative way, promising that Ukraine would become a member of NATO.

00:36:32.340 Tony Blinken recently again promised Ukraine will become a member of NATO.

00:36:38.900 So where does this road lead?

00:36:41.500 It leads to one that is more dangerous than many people can even imagine, and one that President Biden is lying to the American people about.

00:36:52.140 You hear all of this bluster as he's trying to project strength, but what he's actually doing is putting the interests of the military-industrial complex and his own facade of bravado and power ahead of our own safety and security and our ability to even think about having a world to live in tomorrow.

00:37:13.120 No one talks about nuclear war these days, which should be a red flag to everyone, given we are closer to the brink of nuclear war than ever before.

00:37:20.920 And President Putin has made no bones about the fact that they are running nuclear armament drills and that their laws have been changed to say, if we face an existential threat, we are authorized to use nuclear weapons.

00:37:36.080 What that would kick off in the world is unimaginable.

00:37:40.180 When we think about the last 20 years of war we've seen in Afghanistan and Iraq, we look at the cost of war.

00:37:47.160 It, you know, the cause of the blast itself, children's skin melting off in the streets.

00:37:55.060 You have the nuclear winter that follows for anyone who survives that initial blast.

00:38:02.800 Ronald Reagan was 100% correct and understood the seriousness of this when he said a nuclear war cannot be won and should never be fought.

00:38:11.880 We should heed those words very carefully now because quite literally the very future of humanity and this planet are what is at stake because of what Joe Biden has done.

00:38:23.880 And here's what's scary on top of, you know, all of all the things we just outlined.

00:38:29.480 You've got a president right now who abandons strategic ambiguity on Taiwan only to then claim through a White House spokesperson that he hadn't.

00:38:39.420 Right.

00:38:39.540 He changed our posture toward this region in a way that was apparently inadvertent over and over just by side comments he made.

00:38:47.440 He made the comments that I referenced about minor incursion before Putin invaded Ukraine and he continues to make provocative comments about other powder keg areas and in the world. 0.73

00:39:01.040 On top of all this, as the commander in chief, he doesn't seem to know that people have died on his watch.

00:39:07.780 And that was another stunning moment from the debate.

00:39:10.040 It wasn't it was not atypical.

00:39:12.440 He couldn't even remember, you know, when he was asked, did you watch the debate by Stephanopoulos?

00:39:18.560 He said, I don't know if I did.

00:39:19.800 I don't remember if I did.

00:39:20.720 You don't remember if you watch the debate.

00:39:22.520 It just happened days ago.

00:39:24.320 What do you mean you don't remember?

00:39:25.260 You don't know.

00:39:26.140 And he didn't remember that we'd lost some 16 troops on his watch, 13 and the disastrous Afghanistan pullout and then three more in Jordan.

00:39:34.740 And so that's our president right now, Tulsi, who's saying provocative things, potentially getting us into wars.

00:39:43.100 And that's not even nuclear war yet and not even keeping track or able to keep track of the blood and treasure we're spending.

00:39:52.240 And he is the one who has the nuclear codes.

00:39:55.920 Just let that sit for a moment.

00:39:59.020 He this guy is the guy who holds the nuclear codes and holds our future in the balance.

00:40:07.460 You talked about, you know, the fact that he could not remember that any service member had been killed under his administration.

00:40:16.940 That was a punch in the gut to me.

00:40:18.780 I cannot even imagine how these Gold Star families felt as they watched this, knowing that their sons and daughters, commander-in-chief, was so unaffected by the ultimate price, that ultimate sacrifice that their daughter or son or brother and sister made in service to our country,

00:40:41.560 that speaking to over 50 million American people, he could not remember their sacrifice.

00:40:48.780 Over and over, there are so many reasons why I agree with you.

00:40:54.680 He should not be commander-in-chief today.

00:40:57.840 Every single day that goes by, we face great risk to our safety, our security, our ability to live in a peaceful and free and prosperous society so long as this guy is in power.

00:41:09.660 And also, even if they replace him with Kamala Harris, she may be able to sometimes string together a coherent sentence, but she will be just as dangerous in her foreign policy because, once again, Biden's not really calling the shots here.

00:41:25.600 Kamala Harris won't be really calling the shots. 0.97

00:41:27.480 It's the very same people who have gotten us here, who got us into Iraq, who got us through that horrific withdrawal from Afghanistan.

00:41:34.380 All of these people are still there, and they are still the shot callers when it comes to our security and our freedom, which is why we have to vote them out of office this November, whoever is on that ticket.

00:41:47.660 And it's amazing. It's an amazing opportunity to do it because, thanks to the Supreme Court and some of its rulings over the past term, limiting the power of the agencies within the executive branch, they're being neutered.

00:42:03.320 And things are going to be very different for all these executive agencies if we get a president in there who understands how to do it and, ideally, a Congress that knows how to do it.

00:42:12.920 And now, you know, courts. I mean, that's the other big power of the presidency, to nominate federal judges and get the bench filled with judges who understand the limited role of government.

00:42:23.880 All right, last question before I let you go. So what's likely to happen?

00:42:26.880 We're, you know, they keep saying wait until this weekend. They really are short on time.

00:42:32.340 Do you have a prediction on what the Democrats do?

00:42:35.380 I don't. I don't. I know. I know that Joe Biden and Jill Biden are not going to go out without a fight.

00:42:41.640 We will see what happens as they make these decisions. Again, I just think, yep, we if they choose a different horse, we can't be distracted by the trappings of what's really going on.

00:42:54.460 We got to stay focused on what's real, who's pulling the strings behind the curtain, because those people are not going to change no matter what horse they decide to run in this election.

00:43:04.380 And that's what I'm going to keep telling voters between now and Election Day, because what's at stake is the most serious thing that I've ever experienced in my life.

00:43:13.200 Our ability to live in a free society, our ability to be able to have a vibrant, open marketplace of ideas and a vibrant democracy, our ability to not have to live in in fear of the very real potential and likelihood of multiple wars and nuclear Armageddon.

00:43:29.860 And this is what is on the line in this election. So maybe a different horse, but it's going to be the same stable, same clothing, same jockey, same people in control of said horse.

00:43:42.880 Tulsi Gabbard, pleasure to see you again. Again, her book is called You for Love of Country.

00:43:47.760 And the sub is leave the Democrat Party behind for love of country. Leave the Democrat Party to pine as she did. 1.00

00:43:53.520 She put her money where her mouth is. All right. We'll see you soon, I hope. And all the best to all of you.

00:43:58.420 Thank you so much for being with us to be continued right here as well.

00:44:03.940 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - July 11, 2024

Tulsi Gabbard on Trump's VP Decision, Jill Biden's Ego, and Joe Biden's Disastrous Foreign Policy ｜ Ep. 834

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