The Megyn Kelly Show - Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More ｜ Ep. 996

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00:00:30.960 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:42.540 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and our second show from Washington, D.C. today.

00:00:49.380 We actually had planned on sticking around this morning and we were going to do the interview with Marco Rubio, which we already released today.

00:00:57.200 Check it out. A lot of interesting stuff in there.

00:01:00.000 It's his first long foreign sit-down since becoming Secretary of State.

00:01:03.640 And then we were going to fly home and cover the Kash Patel, the Tulsi Gabbard, and the second day of our FKJ hearings from our home studio in Connecticut.

00:01:16.740 And that plan fell apart after the horrific plane crash last night here in D.C.

00:01:23.320 I just, I mean, I'm sure like you, I've not been able to stop thinking about it.

00:01:27.580 I'm absolutely devastated for these 67 families now who have the most horrific experience in front of them and now behind them of waiting in the airport to see if there's any sort of good news coming out of this awful tragedy.

00:01:45.840 And then late last night we were told it was a recovery mission.

00:01:50.200 They did not believe at any point thereafter that they actually could could actually save anyone, which seemed clear with a helicopter slamming into a regional American Airlines jet.

00:02:00.120 I mean, it's just it was a fireball in the sky.

00:02:02.200 And here in D.C., we were in our hotel room, Abby and I, and in downtown D.C., you could hear the sirens one after the other after the other.

00:02:12.020 We were actually supposed to be flying out of Reagan today, like right now.

00:02:16.800 And we knew that wasn't going to happen.

00:02:18.560 And amazingly, then they did open the airport.

00:02:22.900 And I just like I cannot imagine we are flying later today.

00:02:27.380 I just can't imagine flying out of Reagan right now with that scene still in recovery and them still trying to find the bodies, the remains of those killed.

00:02:39.380 They don't have everybody.

00:02:40.380 The last number I heard was 28 bodies from the plane and one from the helicopter had been recovered.

00:02:46.340 And the family members must be in a holding area just in such pain.

00:02:53.200 I cannot stop thinking about them.

00:02:54.700 So we're going to start the show today with news on the plane and we'll bring you the very latest.

00:03:01.120 It's truly like all anybody's talking about.

00:03:03.460 And then we will get to the politics happening in D.C. because President Trump, if there's one thing we've learned over the past 24 hours, is he needs his cabinet in place.

00:03:12.420 He he he needs his top advisers.

00:03:15.420 And, yes, thankfully, he has Sean Duffy as secretary of transportation.

00:03:19.580 It was his first day, a couple of hours on the job.

00:03:22.360 And Hegseth had been confirmed to DOD, which obviously is involved because of the helicopter.

00:03:26.460 But what God forbid this had been an international crisis or a terrorist attack.

00:03:31.640 He needs his DNI.

00:03:33.140 He needs his FBI director.

00:03:34.580 He needs to see.

00:03:35.280 He needs all of them.

00:03:36.060 So no more jerking around.

00:03:39.300 You know, these senators stop stop delaying.

00:03:43.260 If you're going to vote no, then you're going to vote no.

00:03:44.760 Then go ahead and vote no.

00:03:45.840 You're allowed to vote no.

00:03:46.980 But stop with the we need additional documents.

00:03:49.400 We need seven more rounds of questioning.

00:03:50.980 It's like this is serious stuff we're dealing with here.

00:03:57.340 There were three major Trump administration confirmation hearings today.

00:04:00.580 After we interviewed the secretary of state, we did go by the Tulsi Gabbard hearing, which was actually quite interesting.

00:04:06.020 It wasn't full of fireworks, although there were some, as we saw with RFKJ yesterday or certainly what happened over in the Kash Patel hearing today.

00:04:15.440 But, my God, it was like almost only because it was uniform opposition to her.

00:04:21.880 It was amazing.

00:04:23.040 Usually you sit in these things.

00:04:24.160 You can tell which side is the Dem, which side is the Republican by who's giving them the hardest time.

00:04:28.360 And today I think she got a tougher time from the Republicans than she did from the Democrats, with the exception of Michael Bennett, or at least that was my impression in the hour plus I was in there.

00:04:39.460 We've got all the highlights.

00:04:41.120 And then later in the show, we're going to have Callie Means, who's going to talk to us about the RFKJ nomination.

00:04:47.780 We're also, after we start with the plane, going to get to Glenn Greenwald.

00:04:51.880 He's got a lot to say about Tulsi and Cash.

00:04:54.660 He wasn't mentioned that I heard by name, but his reporting was by almost every senator.

00:05:01.740 Glenn is the journalist who published the Edward Snowden leaks on the NSA spying program, the domestic spying program, or, you know, that's not exactly how they refer to it.

00:05:13.020 And he, I think, is completely aligned with Tulsi's worldview about that needing to stop and about Snowden deserving a pardon.

00:05:21.020 I know that he's in favor of that.

00:05:22.600 So we'll talk to him about whether these were fair attacks, inbounds, out of bounds, and whether we were being told the truth by the senators who are all over her today.

00:05:31.880 But we begin with a tragic crash.

00:05:34.680 It was an Army Blackhawk helicopter that collided with American Eagle Flight 5342 from Wichita, Kansas, arriving here in D.C. at Reagan National.

00:05:42.260 67 dead, 60 passengers, four crew members, plus the three soldiers aboard the helicopter just before 9 p.m. last night.

00:05:50.800 The jets plunged into the icy waters of the Potomac.

00:05:54.040 While yesterday here in D.C. it was above 50 degrees, the water temperature was still just above 30, 35 degrees, they say,

00:06:02.100 which comes as no surprise after weeks of it being just a frozen tundra down here.

00:06:07.000 The inauguration was dangerously cold that whole week as it was much of the Northeast.

00:06:11.580 It was a horrific accident that is leaving us all, those of us here in D.C. and beyond, across the world, wondering, how on earth could this happen?

00:06:24.020 John Hansman is the chair of the Federal Aviation Administration Research, Engineering, and Development Advisory Committee.

00:06:29.940 He joins me along with Matthew Wiz Buckley, decorated U.S. Naval aviator and Top Gun graduate.

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00:07:36.520 John, Wiz, thank you for being here.

00:07:38.460 Welcome to the show.

00:07:39.960 John, I'll start with you with that question.

00:07:42.240 How on earth could this have happened?

00:07:46.120 Well, we're obviously still looking at all the information that's coming in,

00:07:51.200 but apparently this was sort of good visual conditions.

00:07:57.140 Airplanes could see each other.

00:07:59.180 In an area like Washington National, you have military operations due to the Pentagon and things like that,

00:08:07.520 and you have the airport right there.

00:08:09.160 So it's not unusual in these kind of conditions for the air traffic controllers to allow the airplanes to look at each other and self-separate.

00:08:17.920 In this case, the controller had given the clearance to the helicopter to avoid the traffic to basically they had them in sight.

00:08:28.640 And apparently, for whatever reason, the helicopter pilots got distracted or something happened and they didn't see the airplane and collided.

00:08:38.500 I mean, didn't see the airplane.

00:08:42.500 I guess we have to rule that in as a possibility, Wiz, because you can hear the controller saying,

00:08:48.740 forgive me for not having the exact quote, but can you see the plane?

00:08:52.240 And the answer was yes.

00:08:54.060 And then the collision happened seconds thereafter.

00:08:56.640 It was something like seven to ten seconds thereafter.

00:08:59.020 So we don't know.

00:09:00.780 You know, the instruction, the question is a little vague.

00:09:03.300 You know, which plane must have been obvious to the air traffic controller,

00:09:06.280 but we don't know that it was obvious to the helicopter pilot.

00:09:08.500 Megan, you nailed it.

00:09:10.940 First of all, good afternoon.

00:09:12.280 And you're right.

00:09:13.180 Very, very somber day.

00:09:14.520 Just absolutely devastating.

00:09:16.380 But I think you nailed it.

00:09:18.000 When the pilot in command or the, you know, the pilot in the helicopter said, hey, traffic in sight,

00:09:23.720 it clearly most likely wasn't the same traffic that the air traffic controller was talking about.

00:09:29.540 So a couple of things, in my opinion, happened.

00:09:32.780 Once the air traffic controller hears from the helo crew, hey, traffic in sight,

00:09:37.560 kind of a mental check in his mind that says, okay, let me go do some other things now.

00:09:42.840 He has that traffic in sight.

00:09:44.920 Clearly, he didn't have that exact traffic in sight because he ends up hitting them.

00:09:49.880 Might have had a different traffic in sight.

00:09:52.500 Might have gotten test saturated, as John alluded to.

00:09:56.020 But I've seen what are allegedly the ATC tapes.

00:10:00.320 I'm pretty sure they are the real ATC tapes on X.

00:10:04.760 And when you have two contacts on your scope going towards each other, you got to say something.

00:10:10.900 The controller could have potentially come up and said, hey, PAT25, confirm that you have traffic left 11,

00:10:18.240 same altitude in sight.

00:10:19.880 So maybe a little bit more directive.

00:10:22.920 But as John alluded to, and you certainly said, something, a mishap like this, just should not happen.

00:10:29.960 And if you're a white-knuckle flyer right now and you're a little worried, it's almost passe to say,

00:10:34.840 but it is a hell of a lot more dangerous driving to the airport.

00:10:38.160 This doesn't happen too often because of the safeguards, of the visual lookout that we have,

00:10:44.300 of the air traffic control procedures.

00:10:46.140 Something broke down.

00:10:48.340 And as John knows, in aviation mishaps, we call it a Swiss cheese model, right?

00:10:52.840 All the holes have to align up for a mishap to happen.

00:10:57.060 And it's going to be very interesting to see what the different holes are.

00:11:00.640 But, Megan, when I went to Pensacola Naval Air Station as a young naval aviator,

00:11:05.220 they told me a couple things.

00:11:06.820 Aviation is a self-cleaning oven.

00:11:09.000 You have got to have the most elite, the most qualified individuals in the cockpit and in the tower.

00:11:14.900 Because years ago, CRM, Crew Resource Management, we actually brought the controllers technically into the cockpit.

00:11:22.960 They're kind of a crew member.

00:11:24.720 And I'll never forget one of my crusty flight instructors telling me, 0.83

00:11:28.300 hey, Wiz, everybody's trying to kill you, including you. 0.93

00:11:31.580 So keep your head on a swivel. 0.76

00:11:32.980 Can you guys explain, I don't know, John, maybe this is for you,

00:11:37.340 but can you explain what we're seeing in that video that we just played?

00:11:41.140 Because, I mean, if you look at it closely, you can see what appears to be the plane,

00:11:45.580 the regional jet, the American jet in the front.

00:11:48.340 And then there does appear to be another aircraft.

00:11:51.660 I'm assuming it's the helicopter, but I don't know.

00:11:53.960 Coming from behind, like almost, it looks almost like it's chasing the plane.

00:11:57.780 But I don't know that that's the helicopter.

00:12:01.160 Yeah, I think, and I don't know if you want to play it again, but the helicopter is actually,

00:12:05.700 it's just a very light dot that's moving from left to right, okay?

00:12:11.400 In the airplane, you're actually seeing their landing light coming at you.

00:12:16.700 In the bigger picture, there was another airplane behind.

00:12:20.140 So what happens in a place like Logan, or, I'm sorry, National,

00:12:25.900 you'll have multiple airplanes lining up.

00:12:27.880 So this is the way you might.

00:12:29.480 So the one you see now in the distance is an airplane that's behind, right?

00:12:35.760 But see, yeah, see there's something approaching it.

00:12:37.660 So that's not the helicopter, that's a different airplane.

00:12:40.140 Yeah, the helicopter is coming from left to right in the image.

00:12:43.280 So it's a very faint line.

00:12:45.140 They don't have a very light thing.

00:12:47.200 And so this is one of the issues, you know, did the helicopter pick up the wrong traffic?

00:12:53.560 They were given the location when they acknowledged the traffic over the bridge at 1,200 feet.

00:12:59.700 So they knew where to look.

00:13:01.460 They saw a target there.

00:13:02.640 Was it the right one?

00:13:03.420 It's not clear.

00:13:05.260 The other thing that we understand is that this was a night training mission.

00:13:10.540 One of the things that happens in night training missions is the pilots will be actually using night vision goggles.

00:13:17.980 Normally, you would not use night vision goggles in the city.

00:13:21.320 You would use it in a dark area.

00:13:23.840 But who knows, were they through the goggles?

00:13:25.700 In the goggles, things kind of blow up, so they're harder to get depth perception.

00:13:29.880 So night vision goggles would not be good.

00:13:32.960 You're saying, like, I've never worn them, so I don't know.

00:13:35.260 But you would not want those on the helicopters.

00:13:37.320 You wouldn't be using them near the city because what happens is when you have lots of lights, they kind of glare out or they blow out on the image.

00:13:47.140 So it's hard to distinguish things.

00:13:49.540 So you use the night vision goggles in dark areas.

00:13:51.920 And when you get to where there's lots of lights, you would normally not use them.

00:13:55.540 So I would be surprised if they were using them.

00:13:58.420 The one other thing I would say is that – go ahead.

00:14:00.740 I'm sorry.

00:14:01.860 No, no.

00:14:02.240 Go ahead, John.

00:14:02.840 Finish it.

00:14:03.140 So the controller did point out a few seconds before that, did see they were close, and did confirm to the helicopter, go behind the jet, don't go in front of it.

00:14:16.400 So there was acknowledgment on the part of the controller.

00:14:19.000 They did do a reminder to the airplane.

00:14:21.560 It may have been too late by that point.

00:14:23.100 So do we think, Wiz, that this was – does it look to you at this point like helicopter pilot error?

00:14:30.640 Because what I'm seeing on the screen and what I'm hearing from you guys isn't really looking at the pilot of that regional jet so much as, you know, what was this helicopter doing?

00:14:40.960 No, exactly.

00:14:42.320 The RJ crew, they were in the zone.

00:14:45.180 They were clear to land, gear down, flaps down, stabilized approach.

00:14:48.980 They're looking at the runway environment.

00:14:50.560 Is there an airliner on there or somebody crossing?

00:14:53.160 They are – they're singularly focused.

00:14:55.600 If I was the captain of that RJ and I heard a potential traffic call and I heard that traffic say, hey, that guy's in sight, done, I'm going to press forward here.

00:15:05.420 So nothing on the RJ crew.

00:15:07.860 And, Megan, I'll be honest with you.

00:15:09.760 As a naval aviator, after these type of mishaps, I'm torn, right, because you don't want to spike the football.

00:15:16.940 But also as an aviator, we want to dig into this.

00:15:21.000 Half the crowd says, oh, we need to wait for the investigation.

00:15:24.000 Everybody, nuh-uh. 0.65

00:15:25.240 I'm not in that crowd.

00:15:26.540 I'm in the crowd of, this is aviation, man.

00:15:29.240 We have got to figure out – what is it?

00:15:31.260 Oxum's razor, right?

00:15:32.320 The most reasonable thing often is.

00:15:35.020 So in this case, the pilot in command of the Army helicopter is – you signed for the jet.

00:15:42.040 I was a single-seat F-18 pilot.

00:15:44.020 As a young 27-year-old kid, I took a pen and I signed for that airplane.

00:15:48.660 I am the pilot in command and ultimately responsible.

00:15:51.820 So on that mission and last night when, hey, traffic in sight, I got this.

00:15:57.400 Again, I hate talking like this in this type of moment.

00:16:01.380 But at the end of the day, it's most likely going to come down to that.

00:16:05.460 Since day one of aviation, Megan, it's don't hit anything in the sky or anything on the ground.

00:16:11.920 That's kind of rule number one of aviation.

00:16:13.980 And the controllers do their best to help us out.

00:16:17.420 But at the end of the day, it's eyeballs in the cockpit. 0.61

00:16:20.880 And as I said earlier, everybody in aviation is trying to kill you, including you.

00:16:25.000 So you have to keep your head on a swivel.

00:16:28.020 And as John alluded to –

00:16:29.720 Yeah, there can be no air.

00:16:30.840 No.

00:16:31.440 And in and around Reagan, you know, DCA, that whole area, it's almost the Battle of Britain sometimes.

00:16:36.860 You have VIP helicopters, you got airliners, and it's very crowded airspace.

00:16:42.460 Even though it's the most controlled airspace on the planet, especially after 9-11.

00:16:48.140 So after this mishap, the hair on the back of the neck is going to stand up with a lot of aviators in a lot of environments that say,

00:16:55.260 hey, man, we have got to keep eyeballs out of the cockpit and let's not hit anything.

00:16:59.920 Mission objective number one.

00:17:01.560 It feels like the helicopter should not be allowed anywhere near the path of these commercial airliners,

00:17:07.300 though I realize they've been doing it a lot without any incident.

00:17:10.200 So it's like, okay, just because one went bad doesn't say it should all be banned.

00:17:13.620 But, John, is there some minimum required distance that they're supposed to keep, you know, when they're in the airspace?

00:17:20.840 There is minimum distance that depends on the conditions.

00:17:24.040 So if it had been cloudy and they were being controlled by radar, there is a minimum distance that has to be separated,

00:17:30.220 which is actually very large.

00:17:31.580 As a result of that, that slows traffic down into Reagan, et cetera.

00:17:37.660 So you would actually have to shut off the jet traffic to allow a helicopter to go by.

00:17:42.620 And it's not just the military helicopters.

00:17:47.140 At the same time, there was a medevac helicopter that was operating in the airspace.

00:17:51.080 So this is really a result of Reagan being so close to the city.

00:17:58.700 And they worked out procedures where the helicopters stay over the water and move around.

00:18:04.800 So there are sort of standard procedures.

00:18:07.280 And the minimum when you're given visual separation and you accept the responsibility,

00:18:12.520 which the helicopter did, is that you then you're responsible for staying out of it.

00:18:19.820 But there is no minimum distance at that point.

00:18:22.060 It's just where you feel safe and steer clear.

00:18:25.640 So I think the real question is...

00:18:27.200 So would you know as a helicopter pilot, you just, I mean, I don't know.

00:18:30.900 Is there a calculation that shows you how big you are and how close you're getting to the plane?

00:18:34.880 Or is it just your knowledge of this is the size of the aircraft I'm in and I don't want to get anywhere near that?

00:18:41.260 It's like driving your car around a parking lot.

00:18:43.120 Don't hit the other car.

00:18:45.000 Don't hit the other airplane.

00:18:45.960 So, I mean, you're used to the different dynamics and speeds in whatever.

00:18:51.100 And, you know, they should have been able to do it.

00:18:53.260 So was there a miscalculation?

00:18:55.500 Did they get distracted?

00:18:56.760 Did they see the wrong target?

00:18:59.160 Were they using night vision goggles or something?

00:19:01.560 We don't know that.

00:19:02.560 This is what will be the focus of the investigation.

00:19:05.240 So I think that, you know, you wouldn't do this on purpose.

00:19:08.280 So there was clearly some sort of error.

00:19:11.420 And the thing that we try to do in accident investigation is to dig into the cause.

00:19:17.080 What is it that would have caused the pilots to be head down?

00:19:20.960 You know, and we don't know what that is right now.

00:19:23.340 So, you know.

00:19:24.560 I mean, I suppose we should open the possibility of helicopter malfunction, too.

00:19:29.640 I mean, we don't know for sure.

00:19:31.160 Yeah.

00:19:31.620 I mean, was something going on in the helicopter?

00:19:33.600 Was somebody sick and they get distracted?

00:19:35.380 That's what I'm saying.

00:19:36.460 There can be distraction.

00:19:37.920 There could be equipment problems.

00:19:41.360 You know, and this was a training mission.

00:19:43.300 They could have been focused on what they were doing on the training.

00:19:45.640 So we don't know.

00:19:47.560 But they, up until that point, appeared to be operating normally.

00:19:51.960 Wiz, what were you going to say?

00:19:54.200 Well, no, there wasn't any last-minute call, you know, hey, an emergency out of the helo or any issues.

00:20:00.620 I think the final calls were like, hey, traffic in sight type of thing.

00:20:03.160 But John brings up a good point.

00:20:04.360 We have no idea what happened in the helo cockpit.

00:20:07.080 Somebody dropped something.

00:20:08.760 Hey, you take your goggles.

00:20:10.060 Were they having a split goggle cockpit?

00:20:12.820 Hey, put the goggles on to see how bright the city is and how these things are worthless.

00:20:17.120 You have no idea what was going on.

00:20:19.020 Did the crew chief come up and say something?

00:20:21.460 So it is, you know, with three people in the helo, there's potentially a lot going on or a last-minute issue with the aircraft.

00:20:30.380 Whenever there's an aviation.

00:20:31.120 But the black boxes will show us all of that.

00:20:32.400 Well, they potentially should, right?

00:20:37.200 Yeah.

00:20:38.020 Not on the helo side.

00:20:40.000 But mishap investigators usually start at the top with everything, right?

00:20:44.320 Was it weather?

00:20:45.600 Was it – they kind of stepped through a checklist of was it this?

00:20:49.500 And it'll be left with just – it's kind of an inverse funnel of what it most likely was.

00:20:54.600 But there's always potential human factors.

00:20:58.140 My pal Janice Dean was reporting the weather this morning for Fox telling us that last night, while it was windy here in D.C., very windy yesterday.

00:21:04.700 By the time this happened last night just before 9 p.m., the wind had died down.

00:21:09.200 It was extremely clear.

00:21:10.680 The temperature had calmed down too.

00:21:12.000 She was convinced as a meteorologist that weather was not a factor in this, though she said bad weather is coming, which is going to affect the rescue workers as of tonight, bad winds and rains.

00:21:23.800 And, you know, you just got to feel for the first responders and the families still on site hoping for any sort of miracle, John.

00:21:33.120 Yeah.

00:21:34.620 Yeah.

00:21:35.220 I mean, you know, but it doesn't look pretty good right now.

00:21:37.820 You know what, Megan, real quick, the control tower folks, I'm equally as devastated because the folks in the tower, I guarantee you, are second-guessing.

00:21:49.740 I think on one of the tapes you can hear an audible gasp.

00:21:53.760 I've never been to air traffic control school, but I can probably speak with some authority that on day one they teach you, let's not have two airplanes hit on your watch.

00:22:03.840 So all those folks who are on duty, I'm feeling for them, too, and the families.

00:22:10.260 Just absolutely devastating.

00:22:12.800 Me, too.

00:22:13.180 It's so awful.

00:22:13.940 All these ice skaters, our young, promising ice skaters, the future of our U.S. Olympic team.

00:22:21.180 Apparently it was the young ones, not the ones who will compete in a year, but the ones who would be competing in four years after that.

00:22:27.760 And some, at least 14 members of the U.S. figure skating team believed to have been killed.

00:22:33.300 That doesn't include parents and coaches.

00:22:36.860 These two Russian figure skaters who had moved to the United States, Evgenia Shyskova and Vadim Naubov, married 1994 World Pairs champions.

00:22:47.000 Just the beauty of those two on the ice and to think of just these promising, incredibly talented, I'm sure they'd been sharing their gifts, athletes with everything in front of them.

00:22:57.280 And then the others, you know, we haven't gotten all the details, but undoubtedly there will have been children, there will have been grandmas, there will have been people who had no idea that getting on a flight from Kansas to Washington, D.C. would be the last thing they'd ever do.

00:23:11.300 The only comfort to me as somebody who has a mild to moderate fear of flying is that they wouldn't have suffered, guys, right?

00:23:19.880 I mean, like, they wouldn't have suffered.

00:23:21.960 This would have been a very quick ending.

00:23:25.260 Yeah.

00:23:26.180 Yeah.

00:23:26.780 It's sad.

00:23:28.440 Megan, in 15 years of flying Hornets, I lost 16 buddies, and not one of them was a combat loss.

00:23:34.400 So my heart definitely goes out to, obviously, all the civilians, too.

00:23:37.940 But three Army folks woke up yesterday, threw on their flight suits, and did not expect that this happened.

00:23:44.600 And they passed serving their country.

00:23:47.300 So God bless them as well, too.

00:23:49.580 And they take an oath to protect and defend.

00:23:51.700 They're out there to save lives.

00:23:53.400 That's what those guys are doing in no way, clearly, did they mean to do anything that would cost them.

00:23:58.780 Guys, thank you.

00:23:59.600 Thanks so much for your expertise and for being here.

00:24:02.220 Yeah.

00:24:02.420 Thanks, Megan.

00:24:02.920 Thank you.

00:24:03.360 Thank you.

00:24:04.720 Say a prayer for the families and for the first responders.

00:24:07.080 And he's right for the air traffic controllers who still have to go out there and do their job.

00:24:11.320 You know, I'm not a great flyer.

00:24:14.500 My friend, Abby, a different Abby, and I have been joking for years that we're going to go learn how to fly, you know, because they said that's what cures fear of flying.

00:24:24.000 But I'm too afraid to do it.

00:24:27.300 But here are some of the stats that were circulating last night.

00:24:30.280 Every day, more than 45,000 flights and 2.9 million airline passengers traveling for work or fun or to visit friends and family and trust their lives to the FAA.

00:24:40.540 More than 45,000 flights a day.

00:24:43.780 And we have not had an aircraft crash like this since 2009.

00:24:50.020 Think about that.

00:24:51.220 Think about that.

00:24:51.760 And then, hold on, my pal, Yashar Ali, independent journalist, last night tweeted out the following.

00:24:59.120 He said, I know this doesn't always help, but please remember that the last time there was a commercial airline crash in the U.S. was in 2009.

00:25:06.820 Since then, there have been over 150 million commercial flights in the U.S. alone.

00:25:13.020 Not one crash until tonight.

00:25:16.060 Commercial air travel is the safest mode of transportation.

00:25:19.720 Now, that's absolutely true.

00:25:21.380 More than 150 million flights.

00:25:24.760 Totally safe.

00:25:25.980 No crash.

00:25:26.640 But the New York Times had an article in August, this past August, about how close calls happen far more often than was previously known publicly.

00:25:37.760 Multiple times a week, they said, involving commercial airlines, including thanks to mistakes by air traffic controllers stretched thin by a nationwide staffing shortage.

00:25:49.800 And obviously, there's the risk of pilot error as well.

00:25:52.660 And this is one of the reasons why President Trump, we have no idea.

00:25:57.020 This is not a DEI comment, but that's one of the reasons why he's eliminating DEI in all aspects of the government, including the FAA.

00:26:06.140 You know, this industry, all industries, but this industry and the medical industry where lives are at risk must, must be based truly solely on merit, on merit.

00:26:18.060 So, beyond that, you know, it's so hard.

00:26:22.540 We're going to do things to fix the risk of a helicopter running into a plane.

00:26:27.120 You know, we'll put those patches in place.

00:26:29.960 But every once in a while, out of 150 million, you're going to have an accident.

00:26:35.560 And the thing about air travel is it's just so catastrophic.

00:26:38.360 It's not like a car crash where, you know, it's tragic enough if a family dies or a couple dies.

00:26:44.380 But, you know, to see 67 people dead in an instant right over the nation's capital is traumatic.

00:26:52.060 It's jarring for regular Americans who get on planes all the time.

00:26:55.360 And it's just part of living in a free society where air travel is the miracle it is, and we use it and rely on it heavily.

00:27:02.940 I, despite my fear of flying, will be back on an airplane today out of Washington.

00:27:08.340 And, God willing, I'll be fine and so will you.

00:27:10.800 But prayers for those affected by the horrific tragedy in D.C. today.

00:27:15.920 Glenn Grewald is here.

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00:28:31.940 It was an extremely busy day on Capitol Hill, so let's get into two of the hearings,

00:28:37.480 and we'll do the third in a minute.

00:28:38.920 Tulsi Gabbard and Kash Patel.

00:28:40.500 My next guest is the perfect person to be discussing those with.

00:28:43.460 He's Glenn Greenwald, and he's the host of Rumble's System Update.

00:28:46.940 He won a Pulitzer Prize in 2014, which we mention every time he comes on.

00:28:50.920 Well, we don't always mention what it was for.

00:28:53.560 It was his reporting at The Guardian at the time, based on the documents that were provided to him

00:28:59.140 by Edward Snowden, whose name was mentioned nonstop at the Gabbard hearing today.

00:29:06.760 Glenn, that must have been surreal for you.

00:29:09.680 I mean, you knew it was coming, but, I mean, if you had walked into the room and offered to testify at that moment,

00:29:15.820 they would have said yes in a heartbeat to cross-examine you like they did with Tulsi.

00:29:20.100 Let me play a little sound before we get into it, and I'll kick it off with, okay, I'm going to do three soundbites, okay,

00:29:29.160 and I'm going to set it up, and then you're going to take it on Snowden, but I want to give the audience a feel.

00:29:33.240 Here, first is a Democrat.

00:29:35.100 He was the one who first started it, Senator Angus King, Democrat of Maine.

00:29:39.300 His was rather gentle.

00:29:40.620 Here's how it went.

00:29:41.220 The first item, Edward Snowden perpetrated the largest and most damaging public release of classified information

00:29:48.920 in U.S. intelligence history.

00:29:51.060 Snowden caused tremendous damage to national security, and the vast majority of the documents he stole

00:29:56.720 have nothing to do with programs impacting individual privacy.

00:30:01.320 But you don't recall ever seeing the work of that committee?

00:30:06.100 I'm aware of those conclusions drawn.

00:30:08.480 You're aware now, or are you aware at the time?

00:30:11.500 Yes, I was, Senator.

00:30:12.980 Edward Snowden broke the law.

00:30:14.660 There's no question about that.

00:30:16.600 He should not have released all of that information that caused that harm.

00:30:20.460 So he broke the law, but it wasn't all that serious?

00:30:22.880 Is that what you thought in 2020?

00:30:24.420 I take very seriously upholding our Constitution.

00:30:28.380 Confirmed as Director of National Intelligence, I would take seriously the responsibility to protect

00:30:33.800 our nation's secrets, just as I have for almost 20 years of holding a security clearance of

00:30:39.920 some sort myself.

00:30:42.480 All right, I lied.

00:30:43.420 I'm going to show you two soundbites because they're too long.

00:30:45.500 That was a Democrat.

00:30:47.260 Now here's Republican James Lankford of Oklahoma trying to dig down on Snowden, too.

00:30:53.980 Was Edward Snowden a traitor?

00:30:55.780 Senator, my heart is with my commitment to our Constitution and our nation's security.

00:31:02.640 Ours, too.

00:31:03.740 Thank you.

00:31:05.100 I have shown throughout my almost 22 years of service in the military, as well as my

00:31:10.380 time in Congress, how seriously I take the privilege of having access to classified

00:31:16.220 information.

00:31:17.340 Was he a traitor at the time when he took America's secrets, released them in public, and then ran

00:31:21.600 to China and became a Russian citizen?

00:31:23.300 Senator, I'm focused on the future and how we can prevent something like this from happening

00:31:28.600 again.

00:31:30.600 Well, they didn't stop there, Glenn.

00:31:32.460 As you know, they, I guess I will play it.

00:31:35.360 Forgive me.

00:31:36.040 I just want to set it up properly.

00:31:37.820 Michael Bennett, he's a Democrat from Colorado, went all in and was not happy that she would

00:31:44.720 not sign on to the T-word, traitor. 0.75

00:31:47.480 Watch.

00:31:48.460 Was Edward Snowden a traitor to the United States of America?

00:31:51.740 Uh, Senator, I will also repeat my answer.

00:31:55.520 He broke, he broke the law.

00:31:57.260 You said.

00:31:58.180 Senator, I've confirmed as director of national intelligence.

00:32:01.740 This is when the rubber hits the road.

00:32:02.100 I will work with you to make sure that there is not another Snowden-like leak.

00:32:05.840 This is not a moment for social media.

00:32:06.580 It's not a moment to propagate theories, conspiracy theories, or, or, or attacks on journalism in the

00:32:15.100 United States.

00:32:15.820 This is when you need to answer the questions of the people whose votes you're asking for.

00:32:21.980 As my colleague said, this is not about you.

00:32:24.620 It's about the people that serve the intelligence agencies of the United States.

00:32:30.540 Is Edward Snowden a traitor to the United States of America?

00:32:37.380 That is not a hard question to answer when the stakes are this high.

00:32:44.460 Senator, as someone who has served in uniform-

00:32:47.060 Yes or no, is Edward Snowden a traitor to the United States of America?

00:32:54.220 As someone who has worn our uniform in combat, I understand how critical our national security is.

00:33:02.600 Apparently you don't.

00:33:03.380 Okay, Glenn, having set it all up, your thoughts?

00:33:10.980 Obviously, the question of what Edward Snowden did, whether he did everything exactly the way

00:33:15.520 people think he should have, is a point that can be debated, has been debated for a long time.

00:33:20.500 One thing I will note is that at the time of the reporting, there was a lot of support,

00:33:24.020 both from the left and the right, the kind of anti-establishment populist wings of both parties.

00:33:28.600 I remember it very well.

00:33:29.520 And it was the centrist, bipartisan establishment wing that was enraged by what Edward Snowden did,

00:33:35.760 because what he did, I think we have to remember, is in this question of whether he's a traitor,

00:33:41.560 let's remember that like Tulsi Gabbard, Edward Snowden, after 9-11, went to enlist in the United

00:33:46.380 States Army.

00:33:47.220 He heeded his government's call to go to war to defend his country.

00:33:50.620 He then went to work for the CIA and the NSA, and only there did he discover that the NSA was

00:33:56.340 doing things that it was never supposed to be doing, namely turning its very powerful

00:34:00.040 surveillance tools onto its own citizenry.

00:34:02.780 It was always supposed to be directed outward and spying on Americans without warrants in ways

00:34:07.500 that Obama's national security DNI, his chief intelligence officer, James Clapper, falsely

00:34:13.100 denied to Congress that they were doing.

00:34:14.580 And he felt duty bound to come forward and let his fellow citizens know.

00:34:18.200 And some of the programs we were able to reveal as a result of what he did ended up being declared

00:34:23.640 both unconstitutional and illegal.

00:34:26.380 And none of the people on this committee are angry about that.

00:34:28.840 They're only angry at him for having exposed it because these people on this committee have

00:34:33.420 supreme loyalty to the part of our government that's secret and that has been abusing its

00:34:37.820 power, which is why President Trump picked her to go in and confront that.

00:34:42.300 The other thing I want to say, Megan, this idea of who's a traitor or not.

00:34:45.960 Being a traitor means you tried to betray your country.

00:34:48.560 You tried to harm your country and help your enemies. 0.97

00:34:51.560 Edward Stone didn't have this archive of information that he was entitled to have.

00:34:55.620 He had classified top secret security clearance.

00:34:59.420 Think of all the things he could have done with that archive.

00:35:01.200 He could have sold it to some foreign government or some group of non-state actors that made

00:35:06.340 a huge amount of money.

00:35:07.240 He could have passed it secretly to America's enemies.

00:35:10.520 He could have dumped it all on the Internet without regard to what it was exposing.

00:35:14.140 He did none of that.

00:35:15.020 He came to American journalists, myself, who was working at The Guardian, Laura Poitras,

00:35:18.620 who was working with The Washington Post, and he said, I only want you to reveal what is

00:35:23.580 necessary to reveal that's in the public interest for Americans to know.

00:35:27.600 And all the decisions that were made about what got released and what weren't were decisions

00:35:31.920 that we as journalists made.

00:35:33.800 He played no role in deciding what was released and what wasn't.

00:35:36.760 And the vast majority of the archive to this very day was never released because we acted

00:35:41.500 in accordance with his very conservative views about how the archive should be treated.

00:35:45.980 So, again, you can dispute things he did, say he should have done things in a different

00:35:50.360 path.

00:35:51.020 But the idea that he was a traitor when he could have done so many things to harm the United

00:35:55.040 States and everything he did was about protecting the privacy rights of American citizens as

00:36:00.040 guaranteed by the Constitution that courts said were being violated, that's why Tulsi defended

00:36:04.200 him.

00:36:04.640 Not because she believed everything he did was perfect, but because she knew that he was the

00:36:08.960 only person with the courage to come forward and risk his liberty and risk his life, which

00:36:13.280 he did in a very courageous way, simply to let American citizens know what their government

00:36:18.520 was doing to them in the dark. 0.95

00:36:19.760 And I think this kind of histrionics about demanding that she call him a traitor is ridiculous.

00:36:27.680 And the one last point I wanted to make, Megan, quickly, if I could, you know, I know Tulsi,

00:36:30.840 I have a lot of respect for her, even though I disagree with her and think I was just talking

00:36:33.440 to your team about this.

00:36:35.420 If you look at those clips you just showed, Tulsi knew so well that if she had just called

00:36:40.740 him a traitor, her path to confirmation would have been much clearer.

00:36:44.480 But she doesn't think he's a traitor.

00:36:46.000 So she refused to do that because she's not willing to say things she doesn't believe

00:36:49.980 in order to advance her own career or gain power. 1.00

00:36:52.760 Why didn't she say no character?

00:36:55.600 I actually was thinking about that because I feel like if you'd been out there, you would

00:36:59.140 say, no, he's not a traitor.

00:37:00.480 And let me explain why.

00:37:01.580 Why do you think she because she just knew she'd be losing too many Republican votes in 0.99

00:37:05.360 particular if she was just forthright?

00:37:07.900 Yeah, I mean, and maybe even Democrats.

00:37:09.940 I mean, probably Republicans, though, if she had said no, that she does not think he's a

00:37:15.080 traitor, her confirmation possibilities would be over.

00:37:17.440 They're already at risk, but it would have been over. 0.73

00:37:20.520 And so you could say, yeah, she should just do it on principle and go down with the fight 1.00

00:37:23.560 and then they'll just put somebody in that seat after her who says, yeah, trade Snowden 0.99

00:37:27.200 is a traitor who should be murdered. 0.98

00:37:28.480 The government did nothing wrong. 0.99

00:37:29.540 The CIA did nothing wrong with the NSA.

00:37:31.820 You know, what's the victory in that?

00:37:33.160 But the fact she wouldn't affirm false claims, I think, is what made what she did.

00:37:38.020 So I wish she had said no.

00:37:39.540 But if she had said no, her nomination would have been destroyed.

00:37:43.020 So it was striking to me to see how much time was spent on that.

00:37:47.600 Granted, I was only there for about an hour and 15 minutes of the whole thing.

00:37:50.480 But almost that entire time was spent on Snowden.

00:37:53.540 I was thinking I'd be drunk if we were playing the Snowden drinking game, Glenn.

00:37:56.160 And then swoops in right before I left Senator Ted Young, Republican from Indiana, who is

00:38:06.440 a critical vote.

00:38:07.600 And I don't feel good about him voting yes on Tulsi.

00:38:13.220 I could be wrong.

00:38:14.580 You know, it could be like a Cassidy situation with RFKJ where like he played it in a way

00:38:18.840 that confused me at the hearing and he winds up voting yes.

00:38:21.020 I don't know whether Cassidy is going to vote yes, but I didn't feel so good about Ted

00:38:24.400 Young.

00:38:24.640 And I know a lot of eyes are on him.

00:38:26.360 He also brought up the Snowden stuff.

00:38:28.000 And here's how that went.

00:38:29.920 Was Edward Snowden false to an obligation or false to a duty?

00:38:36.100 I don't understand what you're saying.

00:38:37.760 False.

00:38:38.440 He had.

00:38:38.860 Yes.

00:38:39.220 Did he betray a duty?

00:38:41.200 But he did he betray the trust of the American people, which is according to Merriam Webster.

00:38:47.940 That's the definition of a traitor.

00:38:52.600 Edward Snowden broke the law.

00:38:53.780 And he released this information in a way that he should not have.

00:38:57.800 He also acknowledged and exposed information that was unconstitutional, which drove a lot

00:39:03.040 of the reforms that this body has made over the years to make sure that Americans constitutional

00:39:08.560 rights are protected.

00:39:09.820 For what it's worth, Mr. Snowden is watching these proceedings.

00:39:12.560 He's he's posted on social media, even indicating that Tulsi Gabbard should indicate that I harm

00:39:22.800 national security.

00:39:24.080 This may be the rare instance in which I agree with Mr. Snowden.

00:39:29.560 What are your thoughts on that one, Glenn?

00:39:31.000 OK, first of all, go and look at that tweet just to get an understanding for how politicians

00:39:36.100 so readily lie.

00:39:37.220 The tweet was saying, look, if Tulsi Gabbard needs to say that I harm national security and

00:39:42.500 the sweet feelings of people in Washington, have her go say it. 0.70

00:39:45.840 I know it's the Pledge of Allegiance are required to take in Washington.

00:39:48.700 He wasn't saying, oh, I'm here to finally confess that I harm national security.

00:39:52.840 And yet that's the claim.

00:39:53.840 And I have to say, there's so many claims that get made about Snowden.

00:39:56.260 I know we don't have time to go into them.

00:39:57.400 I just did a segment on it last night about how he ended up in Russia.

00:40:00.540 He didn't choose to go there.

00:40:01.500 He was trying to pass through there.

00:40:02.780 The Obama administration trapped him there.

00:40:04.960 All the things that are used against him.

00:40:06.400 But be that as it may, I think the key point here is that when Donald Trump ran on 6 2016

00:40:11.560 and when he ran again, he did not run against the Democratic Party.

00:40:14.540 He ran against the establishment wings of both party, what he called the swamp.

00:40:18.440 People who believe that these institutions should never be reformed, that they never err.

00:40:22.460 They're there to protect the status quo.

00:40:23.900 They don't want Washington changed.

00:40:25.280 Trump ran on a promise telling the American people what they already believe, which is

00:40:29.480 that these institutions are fundamentally broken, that he wants to go in and radically

00:40:33.420 restructure them, rebuild them, and make them work how they're supposed to work in the

00:40:37.180 interests of the American people and not against them.

00:40:39.060 And the nominees he sent there are people who shared that commitment, at least the ones

00:40:43.180 that are controversial, to change these institutions that haven't been working.

00:40:47.260 And I think it's important to realize that there are a lot of people in Congress, Senate

00:40:50.240 Republicans and Democrats who are very much have that pro-establishment ethos.

00:40:56.240 And even though they have to praise Trump and pretend they're on his side, they very

00:40:59.120 much are there to subvert and impede what he does.

00:41:01.780 And you're seeing a lot of that in these committee confirmation hearings.

00:41:05.560 I mean, it was pretty amazing.

00:41:07.980 John Cornyn, too, Republican, was all over her, not on Snowden, but on the Foreign Intelligence

00:41:13.900 Surveillance Act, the FISA court and the warrants and Tulsi's reversal, which, again, you tell

00:41:20.520 me if you disagree.

00:41:21.240 She had to reverse herself on the use of the FISA court and these warrants or she never would

00:41:26.600 have been.

00:41:27.120 She had to have zero chance of getting confirmed.

00:41:29.080 So she did an 11th hour like, oh, I support it, even though I've been very against it

00:41:33.580 because they amended it and they made some changes that were acceptable.

00:41:36.600 Literally, she might have just kissed her nomination goodbye if she hadn't said that.

00:41:40.260 And so these senators were not accepting the reversal.

00:41:42.940 And Republicans like the FISA court, they're now much more controversial under Trump and

00:41:48.220 with MAGA.

00:41:48.780 But old school George W. Bush Republicans love FISA.

00:41:52.740 So John Cornyn is part of that crew.

00:41:54.820 And here's a little bit of how he and he was bringing up the 702, this provision, which

00:42:01.060 allows these these behaviors under FISA.

00:42:04.000 Watch.

00:42:04.900 Are you aware that overwhelmingly the courts that have looked at a challenge to Section 702

00:42:12.060 based on the Fourth Amendment and any potential warrant requirement have overwhelmingly said

00:42:16.920 that the Fourth Amendment is not implicated by search of lawfully collected intelligence?

00:42:23.680 I am aware.

00:42:24.860 Yes, Senator.

00:42:25.640 What would be necessary to be shown in order to establish probable cause to a judge in order

00:42:32.540 to obtain a warrant?

00:42:34.720 Again, Senator, that's not for me to say.

00:42:37.140 That would be for you all to decide and for the Attorney General to weigh in on.

00:42:40.920 Do you know what the elements of probable cause are and whether that's a practical and workable

00:42:46.920 solution?

00:42:47.820 That this is the center of the debate, the high standard of probable cause that's required

00:42:53.120 to get a warrant?

00:42:54.820 Where would the warrant be sought?

00:42:57.640 Would it be in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court or would it be in some other Article 3 court?

00:43:04.140 My understanding is that it would be in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

00:43:07.740 Are you aware of the fact the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court has held that a warrant

00:43:11.880 is not required?

00:43:13.480 I am aware.

00:43:14.100 I'm going to put him down for a no, too, Glenn.

00:43:18.940 Am I wrong?

00:43:21.720 Probably not wrong, unfortunately.

00:43:23.520 I do think he might actually get a yes vote from Senator Wyden, whose entire career has

00:43:27.620 been about warning of the dangers of NSA spying on Americans without warrants.

00:43:31.120 But it was like a Jekyll and Hyde from yesterday with RFKJ with with with him.

00:43:36.180 Why?

00:43:36.480 I know.

00:43:36.760 I was like, I know.

00:43:37.440 And there she was, you know, agreeing with him, I guess the NSA has too many.

00:43:42.500 But I just want people to understand what this issue is that they're debating.

00:43:46.760 Since when is it a plank of the Republican Party or the American right that the federal

00:43:53.180 government should have the right to spy on the communication of American citizens, which

00:43:56.960 is what we're talking about here, without any warrants required by law?

00:44:00.260 We all grew up studying the Bill of Rights and are taught that the Bill of Rights is

00:44:04.120 what distinguishes our country from all the others.

00:44:06.220 And I actually agree with that.

00:44:07.440 I have a lot of critiques of the United States.

00:44:09.440 I'm a I treat with reverence the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

00:44:13.040 The idea that the government can't spy on us without warrants is foundational to everything

00:44:17.060 that we believe in.

00:44:18.580 And here is John Cornyn on behalf of the Republican Party treating Tulsi Gabbard like she's unqualified

00:44:23.340 for a position in government because she believes the government should only be able to spy

00:44:28.040 American citizens once they first get the warrants required by the Constitution and the law.

00:44:33.540 And this is what I'm trying to say.

00:44:35.160 You have a huge part of the Republican Party still who has to pretend and appease Donald

00:44:39.900 Trump because he is by far the most popular person in the Republican Party.

00:44:43.740 They don't actually they're far more ideologically aligned with a lot of the established members

00:44:48.600 of the Democratic Party than they are with Donald Trump and the people who work so hard to

00:44:52.800 get him elected and the ideology that he defended in order to be elected.

00:44:56.120 And this is what you're seeing.

00:44:57.900 Tulsi Gabbard isn't there because Chuck Schumer chose her.

00:45:00.640 She's there because Donald Trump did.

00:45:02.760 And now they're going to vote in secret, which gives them the ability to vote no without any

00:45:07.240 real precautions.

00:45:07.880 And I do have a lot of concerns about her nomination and the fact that her nomination is endangered

00:45:13.640 because she has been a longtime defender both in the Democratic Party and the Republican

00:45:18.080 Party of the privacy rights of American citizens is mind blowing to me, but so reflective of

00:45:25.080 how Washington politics has changed in so many ways.

00:45:28.300 Now, I am nowhere near as as neck deep on FISA as you are.

00:45:32.680 But I do remember the Fox News days of defending the FISA court and the FISA warrants because

00:45:38.000 we were post 9-11.

00:45:39.600 We were very scared and they were using the FISA court to try to get warrants on people

00:45:44.700 they believe might be domestic terrorists, might be, you know, going to let off a bomb.

00:45:48.640 And so in that posture, I was like, great, do it, go it, go for it.

00:45:53.100 And I remember defending even the NSA program that Snowden, you know, leaked on and you revealed

00:45:59.160 in your reporting to some extent because it was they defended it by saying we weren't really

00:46:04.540 spying on Americans, what we were doing was we we would if if a if a suspected foreign 0.92

00:46:10.360 terrorist was talking to an American, then we would listen to the conversation.

00:46:14.160 But you had to have that link.

00:46:15.460 It wasn't just like, let's listen to Megan and Glenn.

00:46:17.540 It was, oh, Megan's having a conversation with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

00:46:21.000 Yes, we're tapping in and we're not going to give her all of her Fourth Amendment rights 1.00

00:46:24.800 before we do that.

00:46:25.620 So can you take those two points on?

00:46:29.220 Yeah.

00:46:29.380 So let's remember that the most dangerous part of American history was the Cold War under 0.86

00:46:34.560 in the 60s, the 50s, 60s, 70s and the 80s through the Reagan administration and then

00:46:38.760 Bush 41.

00:46:39.520 The entire time when the U.S.

00:46:42.000 government, the NSA, the CIA were spying on phone calls, if they learned that they were

00:46:46.820 spying on a foreign national and they began speaking to an American citizen, they would 1.00

00:46:50.400 have to hang up the phone and go and get a warrant.

00:46:52.960 We managed to win the Cold War despite the warrant requirement being honored against all

00:46:59.400 those presidents.

00:47:00.600 And the reason why that's necessary is because we found out in the mid-70s with the Church

00:47:05.520 Committee that the CIA, the FBI, the NSA had been wildly abusing their spying power

00:47:10.680 for years against political opponents, for blackmail purposes.

00:47:14.540 And the FISA court was an exception.

00:47:16.040 It said, look, this isn't a real court.

00:47:18.260 It's going to be in the DOJ.

00:47:19.980 Only the government goes.

00:47:21.140 And 99% of the cases are going to get the warrant anyway.

00:47:23.700 But the need to have to justify it, at least provide some safeguards without actually impeding

00:47:28.060 the executive branch's ability to spy.

00:47:30.340 And as you say, it was only in the wake of 9-11 when George Bush and Dick Cheney said,

00:47:33.500 we don't care what the law says.

00:47:35.320 Start spying, even if it's on Americans, without the warrants required by law.

00:47:39.040 Lots of things happened right after 9-11, but we're far away from 9-11 now.

00:47:42.780 People in both parties have said this is too dangerous to allow the government to do.

00:47:46.680 The founders viewed the warrant requirement as absolutely central to securing a free

00:47:51.100 country, debate a free country.

00:47:53.200 Again, you can debate it.

00:47:54.720 But the idea that Tulsi favors a warrant requirement for American citizens cannot possibly be disqualifying.

00:48:00.760 The other part about the program that Snowden revealed, that's 702.

00:48:04.940 The main program that he revealed that ended up being declared unconstitutional legal was

00:48:09.060 the fact that the NSA was collecting all of the information about all of our telephone

00:48:13.260 calls, where we were, with whom we were speaking, for what duration, including by and among American

00:48:19.720 citizens without warrants and in complete secrecy.

00:48:22.840 And when you can find out the so-called metadata, meaning I called a HIV doctor, you called an abortion 0.70

00:48:29.080 clinic, you're talking to some person that's not your spouse late at night, you get a very comprehensive

00:48:34.180 picture of the person whose data you've collected.

00:48:37.580 And they were collecting that data on every single American on U.S. soil, unbeknownst to

00:48:42.740 not even the people in Congress with no warrant or supervision at all.

00:48:45.980 That was the program that most bothered Edward Snowden.

00:48:47.980 That was the first one I reported at The Guardian.

00:48:49.640 And that's the one that courts found were both unconstitutional and illegal, which, again,

00:48:55.060 you can debate all these other details.

00:48:56.720 But to try and claim that someone's a traitor or that they somehow are unfit to serve in

00:49:03.700 government because they believe in a warrant requirement or think it's a good thing that

00:49:06.880 we found out our government was violating our constitutional rights, that's when I think

00:49:10.460 you see this fanaticism to protect the U.S. security state that's very unhealthy for our

00:49:15.020 democracy.

00:49:16.300 You broke trust.

00:49:18.180 He broke trust with the United States.

00:49:19.600 Like, OK, if that's going to be our standard for declaring someone a traitor, Joe Biden is going

00:49:23.920 to have to be accused of being a traitor.

00:49:26.000 I mean, like, how many lies did he do?

00:49:27.740 I'm not going to pardon my son.

00:49:29.420 I never did business with my son.

00:49:31.140 Oh, and by the way, I'm totally competent to do the job.

00:49:33.280 Kamala Harris, she should. 0.96

00:49:34.600 She's a traitor because she told those same lies and they weren't true.

00:49:38.180 It's like that that can't that dictionary definition he pulled up was kind of a trick. 0.94

00:49:42.940 It was just sort of a fun parlor trick.

00:49:44.740 But it doesn't much.

00:49:46.220 There's only one.

00:49:47.360 Sorry, Megan.

00:49:49.280 I was just going to say it doesn't much matter because he gets to vote and you and I don't.

00:49:52.720 And he's going to do it behind closed doors and he's going to probably vote her down.

00:49:56.060 I know she can still head to the floor, but how can she get a vote? 0.99

00:49:59.140 I think that I think even the floor vote can be stopped if she doesn't get cloture, if she

00:50:03.500 doesn't get 60 votes for cloture.

00:50:05.600 So I don't know, Glenn.

00:50:07.100 I think that nomination is in trouble.

00:50:10.720 Yeah, me too.

00:50:11.680 And just by the way, the Constitution defines treason being a traitor.

00:50:15.620 It means aiding and abetting an American enemy in a time of war.

00:50:18.840 That's what treason is.

00:50:19.820 He still doesn't charge with treason.

00:50:22.400 But yeah, it's and also you can pick up the newspaper every day, as you all know, Megan.

00:50:26.440 And every article begins with, according to classified documents provided by the New

00:50:31.100 York Times, Washington leaks classified documents every single day.

00:50:35.080 People in the highest levels of government love it for their own purposes.

00:50:37.880 No one thinks they're a traitor.

00:50:38.880 Yeah, maybe maybe that could stop if we got somebody at the top of all those agencies who

00:50:44.340 could be trusted to protect Americans, Fourth Amendment rights, to be honest with President

00:50:48.540 Trump about the intelligence assessments that are coming in and wouldn't be so interested

00:50:52.840 in seeing her information appear in the pages of The Washington Post or in overseeing

00:50:57.260 organizations that have people like that.

00:50:59.140 I mean, what what could happen if we tried radical change there, too, in the same way

00:51:03.280 we're trying radical change at DOD and hopefully HHS?

00:51:07.920 Like, that's the point of Tulsi.

00:51:09.500 What we've been doing has led to the collapse in some ways of some of our most fundamental

00:51:14.400 ideals in our country.

00:51:15.980 And people have had it.

00:51:17.660 That's why they elected Trump.

00:51:19.100 He said he was going to put her, you know, at the top.

00:51:21.380 It's just there is a mandate for Trump's nominees.

00:51:24.020 Why can't we just try it?

00:51:25.260 I don't know, like they're they want us to believe we're going to get bombed tomorrow

00:51:28.120 by some terrorist organization because Tulsi said no to FISA or Tulsi thinks Edward Snowden

00:51:33.280 might not be a traitor.

00:51:35.020 And that's really impugning the woman's integrity as someone who's not a patriot, who doesn't

00:51:40.420 love the country, who won't act in our best interests.

00:51:42.920 And I'll just I'll play this one last soundbite, then I'll give it back to you and then we'll

00:51:45.840 move on to cash.

00:51:47.040 But here was Tulsi defending some of these attacks in a more sweeping form and as part of

00:51:53.000 her opening statement and sought to.

00:51:55.260 You may hear lies and smears in this hearing that will challenge my loyalty to and my love

00:52:00.380 for our country.

00:52:02.500 Those who oppose my nomination imply that I am loyal to something or someone other than

00:52:08.480 God, my own conscience and the Constitution of the United States, accusing me of being

00:52:15.040 Trump's puppet, Putin's puppet, Assad's puppet, a guru's puppet, Modi's puppet, not recognizing 0.84

00:52:21.500 the absurdity of simultaneously being the puppet of five different puppet masters. 0.95

00:52:28.460 The fact is, what truly unsettles my political opponents is I refuse to be their puppet.

00:52:37.000 That nails it.

00:52:38.060 That nails it.

00:52:41.080 And also, anyone who knows Tulsi will tell you that of all the people who are in prominent

00:52:46.020 positions in Washington politics, she's basically the least likely to submit to someone else's 0.99

00:52:51.380 will or do as she told.

00:52:52.780 I think there's a lot of assumptions going on there that she's incapable of real autonomy. 0.78

00:52:56.680 She always has to have men pulling her strings. 1.00

00:52:58.760 There's a lot of kind of embedded assumptions going on.

00:53:02.440 And also, you know, I remember the time that I was most offended, Hillary Clinton, who voted

00:53:06.840 to send people to the Iraq war because she knew it would serve her presidential aspirations,

00:53:10.220 but of course, never went and fought herself.

00:53:12.200 No one in her family did, never got near a front line.

00:53:14.560 Tulsi Gabbard answers the call of people like Hillary Clinton in Washington, George Bush,

00:53:18.340 et cetera, to go fight in Iraq.

00:53:19.980 She goes and risks her life there.

00:53:21.240 She's been in the military for 20 years.

00:53:22.780 She still is.

00:53:23.380 She's a lieutenant colonel in the military.

00:53:25.480 And then Hillary Clinton turned around in 2016 and said, I think she's being controlled

00:53:29.360 by the Russians.

00:53:30.080 Her loyalties lie elsewhere.

00:53:32.100 And then you have all these people today, again, trying to say that somehow she's in

00:53:35.440 Putin's pocket or she's in Assad's pocket. 0.57

00:53:37.460 It is really reprehensible.

00:53:39.040 You can disagree with Tulsi Gabbard's view on Syria or Russia or Ukraine, whatever.

00:53:42.840 Those things should be debated and are debated.

00:53:44.740 And like you said, what's the worst thing that can happen?

00:53:47.460 You put someone like that into a position.

00:53:49.160 You have a debate.

00:53:49.900 You have vibrancy.

00:53:51.200 There's still safeguards.

00:53:52.240 You can impeach her if she really does any of these worst case scenario things. 0.99

00:53:56.000 But to watch somebody who has given their entire lives to being deployed overseas, to

00:54:00.840 putting their life in in harm's way for their country and then have a bunch of politicians

00:54:04.760 who send people to war but never go and fight them or send their kids to go to fight them, 0.63

00:54:08.500 impugning her patriotism constantly or her integrity is really disgusting.

00:54:12.120 And I feel very offended when I watch it.

00:54:14.740 Honestly, I'm glad you said the woman thing because I was I was talking to Steve Bannon yesterday

00:54:18.380 on his podcast.

00:54:19.760 And he said, why do you think they're coming after her over and over with this?

00:54:22.820 Like she's Putin's puppet and Bashar al-Assad.

00:54:25.460 And I said, I have to be honest, there is something that is jarring to me that has to do with the 0.65

00:54:30.440 fact that she's a woman like she's easily manipulated. 0.99

00:54:33.060 She's too dumb to see through and attempted manipulation by Bashar al-Assad. 0.99

00:54:38.820 You know, it's like I went over to Russia repeatedly. 1.00

00:54:40.820 I sat with Vladimir Putin, former KGB agent.

00:54:43.620 He definitely tried to manipulate me.

00:54:44.980 He knew exactly which buttons to push.

00:54:46.780 He knew I was a mother.

00:54:47.520 He tried to talk about my children.

00:54:48.520 He tried to talk about his own children to soften me up.

00:54:51.200 I understood fully what he was doing.

00:54:52.900 I was not manipulated by Vladimir Putin.

00:54:54.920 I understood it was interesting to watch the stagecraft, you know, the witchcraft, spycraft of

00:54:58.840 it.

00:54:59.260 But there was there's an assumption with her, I think, that she's just easily she doesn't

00:55:03.520 understand how they're trying to manipulate her.

00:55:06.000 And the fact that she could emerge after somebody who did try to manipulate her with a more nuanced

00:55:10.580 view, like not not not emerge from the meeting with Bashar al-Assad or from studying Putin

00:55:17.520 by saying they're the most evil dictators ever.

00:55:20.100 But to say I wasn't manipulated, but I do see this situation differently than some of the

00:55:24.220 neon neocons do.

00:55:25.920 That's it.

00:55:26.620 Right.

00:55:26.840 Like that's her biggest sin that she's not allowed to have nuance.

00:55:29.400 You have to be totally against them.

00:55:31.200 I will do one more soundbite back to Michael Bennett of Colorado, who's very angry about what

00:55:36.940 she said the night Russia invaded Ukraine.

00:55:39.500 It's not 12.

00:55:40.480 Are you aware that your comments about proxy wars and Russia's legitimate, legitimate security

00:55:48.640 concerns to quote your own words are in alignment with what the Russians have said to justify their

00:56:00.040 invasion of Ukraine?

00:56:02.840 Yes, Senator, I don't pay attention to Russian propaganda.

00:56:06.120 I'll take that as the answer is no, that you basically said that Putin was justified in

00:56:14.780 rolling over the peaceful border of Ukraine the first time since World War II that a free

00:56:21.320 nation had been invaded by a totalitarian state.

00:56:25.560 And you were there at 1130 p.m. that night to say that you were with them, not us.

00:56:33.260 But can't we do better than somebody who doesn't believe in 702?

00:56:37.600 Can't we believe that somebody who can't answer whether Snowden was a traitor five times today

00:56:43.980 who made excuses for Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine?

00:56:50.480 I'm questioning her judgment.

00:56:52.280 That's the issue that's at stake here.

00:56:54.400 Go ahead, Glenn.

00:56:58.740 This is the exact same impression I had with the RFK Jr. hearing yesterday.

00:57:02.920 You would think that these people are defending policymakers and decision makers and institutions

00:57:08.380 that have been unerring, that have done nothing but great things for America.

00:57:11.680 How dare you say that our health regulatory system is is has anything wrong with it needs

00:57:16.460 fixed when we just got lied to over and over about one of the most consequential health crises

00:57:20.600 in 100 years.

00:57:22.020 And we know we got lied to.

00:57:23.740 Same thing here.

00:57:25.660 We have fought so many wars, got involved in so many overseas conflicts that have been

00:57:29.400 absolutely disastrous for the United States.

00:57:31.520 A lot of it has been based on lies, based on false intelligence.

00:57:34.220 That's Iraq. 0.83

00:57:34.760 That's Vietnam and many other things.

00:57:36.860 And here you have somebody, Tulsi Gabbard, saying something that has been said for decades

00:57:40.380 in Washington at the highest levels of the CIA, which is if you try and expand NATO into

00:57:44.880 Ukraine, the Russians will perceive this as an existential threat.

00:57:48.220 And you're going to provoke some sort of conflict where they go over the border into eastern

00:57:52.020 Ukraine and even into Crimea and try and annex it to defend themselves.

00:57:55.960 So she's trying to say, you don't have to agree with her.

00:57:58.640 Hey, we should think about the things we're doing in eastern Europe that are threatening

00:58:02.460 to the Russians.

00:58:03.080 And we should try and get along with them, given that they have the largest nuclear arsenal

00:58:06.320 on the planet, something Ronald Reagan did, something Richard Nixon did, went and visited

00:58:09.760 Russia, did arms deals with them.

00:58:12.020 If you do anything other than simply clap like a seal for everything the U.S.

00:58:17.000 foreign policy establishment does and says and never criticize them and only side with

00:58:21.540 them and say everything they do is right, if you do anything else like that, it means

00:58:24.980 you're with them and not us.

00:58:26.800 I want people in our government who are able to be engaged in self or introspection and

00:58:31.780 say, hey, maybe the policies that we're pursuing are causing harms.

00:58:35.600 It doesn't mean Putin was justified in invading Ukraine.

00:58:38.340 She never said that.

00:58:39.260 She said the opposite.

00:58:40.100 But we still should look at our policies all the time.

00:58:43.520 And the idea that if we're critical of our leaders or our government's policies, it means

00:58:46.860 we're a traitor.

00:58:48.120 To me, the highest duty of patriotism is to try and improve your country, improve your

00:58:51.620 government.

00:58:52.000 And sometimes that means by criticizing it.

00:58:55.140 Amazingly well said.

00:58:56.160 Exactly right.

00:58:57.200 So we'll see.

00:58:58.360 I do believe that we'll find out what the vote was.

00:59:00.720 Tom Cotton is running herd on that committee.

00:59:03.480 And he's very much behind Tulsi, which is good.

00:59:05.860 He's such a noble guy, too.

00:59:07.200 I just I think he'll he'll do his level best to get her across the finish line.

00:59:11.660 I'm just not 100 percent sure it's possible because the questioning on the Republican

00:59:15.920 side was just so negative and kind of nasty.

00:59:20.540 And she's definitely not going to find those votes over on Team Blue.

00:59:23.480 But it would be amazing if Wyden comes through for her.

00:59:25.740 He was so nasty yesterday. 0.53

00:59:27.740 Everybody was like, he looks like a waxy pallard funeral director. 0.99

00:59:30.960 And I was like, that's it exactly.

00:59:33.580 But today he was like, oh, my BFF.

00:59:35.340 All right, let's talk about Kash Patel.

00:59:37.200 Who spicy fireworks. 0.80

00:59:40.500 He was given as good as he was getting that they don't they don't like him.

00:59:44.580 The Democrats don't like him.

00:59:46.480 It wasn't going badly for him with the Republicans, which is really what he cares about.

00:59:50.960 We kicked it off.

00:59:52.200 Actually, Senator Tillis, who's a Republican, had a funny moment that went viral on on X.

00:59:57.720 And you'll see why.

00:59:58.800 Here it is.

00:59:59.240 Colleagues, I created a cash bingo card that I have available to any of my colleagues who

01:00:09.260 would like it on the other side of the aisle.

01:00:11.760 Some may view this as an unserious caricature and not appropriate for this committee.

01:00:17.820 Sadly, I consider it a serious caricature of what I expect to be witnessed today.

01:00:24.580 I think we'll have words like enemies list and deep state.

01:00:31.760 I've already X'd out four boxes in the opening statements alone.

01:00:36.100 The fact of the matter is, some people will be here to simply substantiate a false narrative.

01:00:44.580 Okay, so I love that.

01:00:49.380 The Cash Patel bingo card.

01:00:51.300 And true to form, that's how it sounded.

01:00:54.180 I'm going to kick it off with an exchange Cash had with Amy Klobuchar, Democrat of Minnesota.

01:01:01.600 And she ran for president not long ago.

01:01:03.480 And he really was not taking her, trying to give him the business.

01:01:07.820 Watch.

01:01:08.320 He's asking to be head of the FBI.

01:01:10.640 And he said that their headquarters should be shut down.

01:01:13.100 Mr. Chair of Parliamentary Inquiry.

01:01:15.040 You got anything you want to say, Mr. Patel, before I go on to Senator Lee?

01:01:19.340 Simply this.

01:01:20.800 If the best attacks on me are going to be false accusations and grotesque mischaracterizations,

01:01:25.100 the only thing this body is doing is defeating the credibility of the men and women at the FBI.

01:01:30.640 I stood with them here in this country.

01:01:33.080 In every theater of war we have, I was on the ground in service of this nation.

01:01:37.160 And any accusations leveled against me that I would somehow put political bias before the Constitution are grotesquely unfair.

01:01:45.220 And I will have you reminded that I have been endorsed by over 300,000 law enforcement officers to become the next director of the FBI.

01:01:54.040 Let's ask them.

01:01:54.940 Mr. Chairman, I am quoting his own words from September of 2024.

01:02:00.900 It is his own words.

01:02:02.260 It is not some conspiracy.

01:02:04.780 It is what Mr. Patel actually said himself.

01:02:09.060 Facts matter.

01:02:10.320 You forget that you had three minutes in the next round to say what you just said.

01:02:15.020 OK, I'll say him again.

01:02:16.400 OK, so a couple of things I observed there.

01:02:22.000 Grassley, who's 88, is still really strong.

01:02:25.600 Listen to him yelling at her at the end, like, get off my lawn, you angry lady. 1.00

01:02:29.920 And she she was like those Democrat women at the at the Pete Hegseth hearing like,

01:02:36.200 like a whiny, scoldy lady. 1.00

01:02:39.820 And Kash Patel, every comeback he had in the entire hearing should have been punctuated with a boom. 0.84

01:02:48.240 That's you.

01:02:48.740 You can see him kind of doing it to like boom.

01:02:52.180 Go.

01:02:52.920 It was fun to watch.

01:02:54.480 I don't think they laid a glove on him, but it wasn't for lack of trying, Glenn.

01:02:56.980 This is the thing that really amazes me, Megan, and it's been amazing to me for two years now.

01:03:02.600 The Democrats keep saying with a straight face that they are concerned that first Donald Trump won.

01:03:09.580 And now if Kash Patel gets confirmed that they're going to politicize the Justice Department in order to weaponize the Justice Department and go after their political enemies.

01:03:18.480 And you're sitting there and you're watching this and you're thinking, I just watched you bring four felony cases against Donald Trump and openly admit that your election strategy was to make sure he was imprisoned prior to the 2024 election because you thought that was the best chance for you to win the election with Joe Biden.

01:03:35.860 I've watched you spend the entire first Trump term unleashing Robert Mueller and every posture you can find based on this bizarre conspiracy theory that Trump collaborated with the Kremlin,

01:03:46.540 which came out of the FBI and the CIA because they hated Trump.

01:03:49.800 And Robert Mueller himself ended up saying there was no evidence for it.

01:03:52.920 They've done nothing but the Democrats have politicized and weaponized the CIA, the FBI, the entire justice system and intelligence apparatus.

01:04:01.200 And then they have the nerve to turn around and say that because Trump is putting somebody in there who wants to clean that out, they're the ones that are going to weaponize the justice system.

01:04:09.820 The level of audacity to this is almost impossible to swallow.

01:04:14.880 Yes. So on that subject, Dick Blumenthal of Connecticut, he comes out there trying to suggest that he hold on a second to make sure I get it.

01:04:29.560 I can't find it on my SOT list, you guys, but it's the it's the one where he's pushing him about whether he's going to protect FBI agents against retribution.

01:04:38.020 Do we have that? Standby as we get our act.

01:04:42.200 Oh, so that's SOT 21. Yeah, here it is. SOT 21.

01:04:45.700 Will you commit that you will not tolerate the firing of the FBI agents who worked with the special counsel's office on these investigations?

01:04:56.500 Senator, I appreciate the time to visit with you.

01:04:58.800 It is a yes or no answer.

01:05:01.020 Senator, and it is your first test.

01:05:03.620 Senator, every FBI employee will be held to the absolute same standard and no one will be terminated for case assignments.

01:05:09.900 And I'm not going to accept that answer because if you can't commit that those FBI agents will be protected from political retribution,

01:05:20.580 we can't accept you as FBI director.

01:05:23.820 All FBI employees will be protected against political retribution.

01:05:26.980 They deserve those individuals deserve to be protected from Trump retribution.

01:05:32.760 That was your first test. You failed it.

01:05:35.740 By saying all that is a protected.

01:05:42.460 I mean, what more does he want from him?

01:05:46.320 Also, what they're really trying to do is basically create an immunity for people who broke the law.

01:05:50.900 Let's assume that it is true, which of course it is, that people inside the FBI and these other agencies abused their power because they wanted to destroy Donald Trump because they disliked him politically,

01:06:02.420 which of course we know we've seen the emails of people inside the FBI saying exactly that who brought the Russiagate investigation.

01:06:09.000 Should those people be allowed to just continue in the FBI as if they never abused their power?

01:06:14.600 Or should the people who abused their power be removed from that position?

01:06:18.260 Of course they should be removed from that position.

01:06:19.940 They're trying to extract a promise from Kash Patel that he won't remove any of the people who did the Democrats bidding by abusing these agencies and destroying their credibility.

01:06:29.480 And he's saying, look, they won't be subject to political retribution, but obviously the people inside these agencies broke the law.

01:06:35.360 Of course they should be investigated.

01:06:36.740 That's what it means to have a rule of law.

01:06:39.420 Yeah.

01:06:39.580 If they misused their power, if they abused their power, they're gone.

01:06:43.140 Finally, there will be some accountability.

01:06:44.720 It's not a political payback. 0.99

01:06:46.100 It's, you're horrid. 0.99

01:06:48.200 You're trying to destroy this nation. 0.99

01:06:49.940 Goodbye.

01:06:50.560 Go find another job.

01:06:51.820 I really enjoyed the exchange about what's going to happen with the FBI HQ.

01:06:56.680 Because, you know, politicians like Ron DeSantis and others, and Trump, but explicitly, and DeSantis made this a big issue.

01:07:03.620 I've been saying we need to get the FBI out of Washington.

01:07:05.920 This is not the place for this building.

01:07:07.860 They need to, you know, touch grass.

01:07:10.480 One of those kinds of things.

01:07:11.760 And this came up in response to a questioning by Chris Coons, who's a Democrat from Delaware, with cash.

01:07:18.960 Take a listen to SOT19.

01:07:20.380 How would shutting down the FBI headquarters impact its ability to prosecute violent crime and drug traffickers?

01:07:27.260 How is that possibly a serious proposal?

01:07:29.400 Thank you for bringing that up and allowing me to answer.

01:07:32.080 It was to highlight the significantly greater point that I was actually making in that interview, which is well documented over and over again.

01:07:39.780 38,000 FBI employees, 7,500 FBI employees work in the Washington field office and Hoover building alone.

01:07:47.760 If you increase that aperture just slightly to encompass the national capital region, that is 11,000 FBI employees work in the national capital region.

01:07:56.860 A third of the workforce for the FBI works in Washington, D.C.

01:08:02.320 I am fully committed to having that workforce go out into the interior of the country where I live, west of the Mississippi, and work with sheriff's departments and local officers and having one agent prevent one homicide and having one agent in Washington prevent one rape.

01:08:16.780 And I will do that over and over and over again because the American people deserve the resources not in Washington, D.C., but in the rest of the country.

01:08:23.480 And, Mr. Patel, frankly, if that had been your statement, that would be something that would be defensible.

01:08:28.480 It's the rest of it, saying you're going to turn it into a museum of the deep state that causes repeated questions and concerns from people like myself.

01:08:37.080 Again, Cash going to finish with boom.

01:08:39.780 But, you know, he's telling him what he means. 0.75

01:08:41.740 And this pushing back on relocating the FBI HQ is ridiculous. 0.94

01:08:46.120 They love to go through and find the silly podcast rhetoric, like the bellicose language. 0.93

01:08:50.480 This is like another J.D. Vance childless cat lady, right? 0.76

01:08:53.060 Like you said something provocative.

01:08:54.820 Well, here he is, like, telling you everything you want to know.

01:08:58.020 And I really think he got Coons to stand down there. 1.00

01:09:02.360 Well, also, you know, look at what the Democrats are defending.

01:09:05.040 They just got done with an election where they largely got crushed because they were perceived as correctly as the party of the status quo,

01:09:12.260 as the party that defends even rotted American institutions that people hate.

01:09:15.700 And now they're defending the pharmaceutical industry from more regulatory scrutiny.

01:09:21.840 They're defending the U.S. surveillance state from being able to spy on Americans without warrants.

01:09:26.160 And here they're defending the J. Edgar Hoover FBI building in Washington.

01:09:30.240 And obviously, when Cash Patel is saying we should close it or whatever, what he's obviously saying is this was never intended to be some permanent part of Washington power.

01:09:39.080 This is a law enforcement agency that was supposed to solve federal crimes, investigate and solve federal crimes throughout the country.

01:09:45.580 Instead, it's become yet another arm of how Washington exercises power against the rest of the country.

01:09:51.800 And we should take these resources and put them inside the United States, not putting them all in Washington,

01:09:57.060 because that's how it becomes a political entity when you're centering everything in Washington.

01:10:02.220 Everybody wants to work in Washington, be around Washington.

01:10:04.940 Of course, it's going to then become politicized.

01:10:07.100 And this idea of a museum to the deep state, we do have a deep state in the United States.

01:10:12.720 Dwight Eisenhower warned about it 60 years ago on his way out of the office.

01:10:17.400 It's a permanent power faction that exercises power regardless of the outcome of elections and outside of democratic accountability.

01:10:24.300 And it used to be foundational on the American left to understand this.

01:10:28.020 And now it's taboo to say it.

01:10:29.760 But this is part of the reason why I'm most enthusiastic about these nominees,

01:10:33.760 the ones running into the most resistance, Cash Patel, RK Jr., Tulsi, because they're essentially saying there's something very wrong in how Washington works.

01:10:41.740 The power that has been centralized was never supposed to be like this.

01:10:44.720 And we need to break it up.

01:10:46.200 We need to smash it up into little pieces and make sure that that abuse becomes manifest and can't be replicated again.

01:10:52.020 I hope President Trump picks up the phones and, you know, put some pressure on these Republican senators to stand by him and give him the cabinet he's asked for.

01:11:02.420 They don't they're not a rubber stamp.

01:11:04.440 It's true.

01:11:04.840 They're not.

01:11:05.300 But the president has a clear agenda.

01:11:07.780 And that agenda does speak to exactly this strain.

01:11:10.580 He definitely ran on this.

01:11:11.880 And so this if this is your objection to his nominee, you're not going to like the next one either.

01:11:16.440 I don't think Trump's going to abandon these kinds of promises to remake the FBI, certainly, or to bring radical change to HHS with his next nominee.

01:11:25.360 So, you know, we'll see whether they get these guys out.

01:11:29.140 I certainly hope not.

01:11:30.000 I really hope Tulsi gets through.

01:11:31.800 And I think RFKJ is going to get through, depending on this Senator Cassidy.

01:11:36.260 We'll talk with that about Cali Means next.

01:11:38.580 Glenn, thank you.

01:11:40.220 Great to see you, Megan.

01:11:41.140 Thank you.

01:11:42.320 You as well.

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01:14:40.720 Robert F. Kennedy Jr. back on the hot seat today on Capital Health.

01:14:50.000 Do you believe they made him do this twice?

01:14:51.700 I don't totally understand why, to be honest, but he had to go in front of—that was finance

01:14:56.040 yesterday, and now today was the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.

01:15:01.700 HHS is just so big.

01:15:03.020 It answers to both.

01:15:05.680 This committee is—the committee will not vote on the nomination in order for it to

01:15:10.620 go to the full floor for a vote.

01:15:12.320 That's going to fall over to the Senate Finance Committee, which RFKJ appeared before yesterday,

01:15:17.000 and we covered for you in yesterday's show.

01:15:19.620 But these Republicans matter, so they're all showing their hands a bit on whether they might

01:15:24.720 actually vote for him.

01:15:26.820 And we care.

01:15:27.400 We especially care if they're Republicans, and we especially, especially care when we're

01:15:32.960 looking at Louisiana Senator Bill Cassidy, who is a Republican and who, in my own view

01:15:38.980 yesterday, did not appear exactly warm toward RFKJ.

01:15:43.640 Keep in mind, Trump can lose three but not four Republican senators.

01:15:48.140 He already got hosed by Murkowski, Collins, and McConnell on Hegseth.

01:15:52.080 The odds of them not tanking him on his more controversial nominees, which in some ways RFKJ

01:15:59.220 is, are slim.

01:16:01.740 And so they cannot lose Bill Cassidy.

01:16:05.420 So are they going to?

01:16:07.140 So he was the chairman of the committee before which RFKJ appeared today.

01:16:12.560 And he, as the chairman and the ranking member always do, gave his own opening remarks and

01:16:18.960 spoke openly about some of his reservations.

01:16:22.080 No secret, I have some reservations about your past positions on vaccines and a couple other

01:16:27.620 issues.

01:16:28.680 Now, Bobby, I've learned you got a tremendous following.

01:16:32.760 My phone blows up with people who really follow you.

01:16:36.440 And there are many who trust you more than they trust their own physician.

01:16:42.100 And so the question I need to have answered is what will you do with that trust?

01:16:49.400 Senator Cassidy, who was a physician before entering politics, also told a story about

01:16:53.780 the worst day of his career treating a young woman in liver failure due to hepatitis B.

01:17:00.160 He told Kennedy $50 in vaccines would have prevented this.

01:17:04.780 And then the two of them, Senator Cassidy and RFKJ, had a very tense back and forth regarding

01:17:11.340 the measles and the hep B vaccine and autism concerns.

01:17:14.940 Now, at the end of this hearing, Senator Cassidy made clear he is still unsure, still unsure

01:17:22.700 about his vote for RFKJ, saying, my responsibility is to learn if you can be trusted to support

01:17:27.720 the best public health.

01:17:29.200 You may be hearing from me over the weekend.

01:17:31.140 What does that mean?

01:17:32.660 Lift the dress up, Senator. 0.93

01:17:34.180 Show us all.

01:17:35.300 Callie Means is one of RFKJ's top advisors.

01:17:37.940 He's truly one of the reasons why he's even been chosen for this role.

01:17:41.820 And he is one of, if not the founding member of the whole Maha movement.

01:17:46.580 He's the man responsible for the Trump RFKJ alliance.

01:17:50.160 He and Tucker, I would say, are the two.

01:17:52.860 And when RFKJ endorsed Donald Trump last summer, he mentioned Callie in his speech.

01:17:57.320 A few hours after the assassination attempt at Butler, I got a call from a safe food advocate

01:18:09.140 named Kelly Means.

01:18:11.060 He'd been advising me for many years and on my campaign.

01:18:15.600 And he told me that night that he was also advising President Trump.

01:18:20.580 And he asked if I would talk to President Trump.

01:18:24.180 And I said, of course, and we talked about not about the things that separate us because

01:18:29.680 we don't agree on everything, but on the values and the issues that bind us together.

01:18:37.120 And one of the issues that he talked about was having safe food and ending the chronic

01:18:43.360 disease epidemic.

01:18:46.040 Right on.

01:18:47.540 Callie's a former food and pharmaceutical consultant.

01:18:50.100 He was on the inside, you see, and then realized what they were doing to us.

01:18:53.700 And has been working to save us all ever since.

01:18:56.440 He entered that industry with good intentions, trying to shape policy, but realized something

01:19:00.260 was deeply, deeply wrong.

01:19:02.900 Callie joins me now for the first time on this show.

01:19:04.560 Callie, what a pleasure.

01:19:05.700 Oh, it's great to be here, Megan.

01:19:06.980 And great to see you yesterday.

01:19:08.380 Oh, gosh.

01:19:08.880 Likewise.

01:19:09.280 I'm just such a huge fan of yours.

01:19:10.880 So I saw you yesterday, but I didn't see any of the hearing today.

01:19:13.840 My team pulled some great sound bites.

01:19:15.480 Didn't see any of it today because I was with Rubio and then Tulsi.

01:19:17.960 So you've sat through it all.

01:19:19.620 How did today differ from yesterday?

01:19:21.180 And how are you feeling?

01:19:21.940 Megan, there's a lot weighing on, I think, the country right now.

01:19:25.880 We're at a true inflection point for American health from your first interview with Bobby

01:19:30.240 years ago, putting him on the national scene or really helping with that to that incredible

01:19:34.700 endorsement with Donald Trump of bringing millions of Maha moms to this coalition that

01:19:38.720 elected him.

01:19:40.020 We are at a fork in the road for American health.

01:19:42.640 And I'll just be really blunt.

01:19:44.000 The takeaway from this hearing is that road goes through Senator Bill Cassidy.

01:19:48.280 Senator Bill Cassidy is a very influential senator.

01:19:50.760 He's a doctor.

01:19:52.020 He's a physician.

01:19:53.080 He's chair of the health committee.

01:19:54.680 And I'll just be blunt.

01:19:56.380 As Bill Cassidy votes, we'll go the way of Maha and RFK.

01:20:01.700 And I'd love to, if it's OK with you, Megan, make a direct plea to Senator Cassidy because

01:20:07.340 I know he cares very much about public health and trust in public health.

01:20:11.160 And I know he is legitimately still considering this vote.

01:20:15.740 And I think everyone needs to focus their attention on him right now.

01:20:19.160 I'd love to make a couple points to him.

01:20:22.040 Please go ahead.

01:20:22.880 So Bill Cassidy, by all accounts, is somebody that, as I said, deeply cares about trust in

01:20:29.500 public health.

01:20:30.040 And I really do believe that the so-called Maha movement, this loose coalition of folks

01:20:35.060 that came together that are really concerned about children's health, and Dr. Cassidy,

01:20:39.200 who's a person who's spent decades working on health care and health policy to help patients,

01:20:43.820 I think they're talking past each other.

01:20:45.920 The crux of Dr. Cassidy's deliberation is around trust in public health.

01:20:52.520 And I want to just make a couple points to him as a parent.

01:20:54.660 Speaking, I think, trying to channel what brought Bobby Kennedy into popularity and into

01:21:00.840 helping President Trump.

01:21:02.720 The public health crisis and the trust in public health is not because of Bobby Kennedy.

01:21:08.260 Just speaking as a parent, there's anxiety among every single parent in this country.

01:21:12.300 I mean, kids are looking at kids.

01:21:16.920 There's autism rates that are skyrocketing.

01:21:19.520 We don't know why autism is skyrocketing.

01:21:21.760 I'm scared as a parent of a three-year-old about autism.

01:21:25.420 It's now one in 30 in California.

01:21:28.240 The NIH and the public health authorities have not come to a conclusive answer on why autism

01:21:34.140 rates are going through the roof.

01:21:36.500 Kids are subjected to an unending array of environmental toxins and toxins in our food.

01:21:40.800 The FDA, which is fully bought off by the pharma and food industries, 75% of the drug approvals

01:21:47.280 at the FDA are funded by pharma.

01:21:48.940 They said, we don't even know the chemicals in our food.

01:21:51.060 There's 10,000 chemicals in our food that aren't allowed in any other country.

01:21:55.180 And the red dyes and things like this, the FDA still tells us are safe.

01:21:59.060 We're trying to ban one.

01:22:00.280 There are still many other chemicals like that that are totally inappropriate.

01:22:04.380 Kids are walking into a treadmill of drugs.

01:22:06.260 Right now, the American Academy of Pediatrics is saying that the standard of care for a

01:22:10.140 two-year-old, excuse me, for a 12-year-old is ozempic if they're overweight or obese.

01:22:15.140 And they're studying for as low as six.

01:22:18.640 The health authorities are saying that if a kid is sad, they need an SSRI.

01:22:22.800 SSRI rates have doubled in prescription rates among teens in the last five years.

01:22:26.000 They're saying if they have high cholesterol, it's a statin.

01:22:28.480 Statin rates have doubled in the past 10 years among teens. 0.97

01:22:31.060 Metformin, ACE inhibitors, all of these drugs our kids are getting on as they're getting more sick.

01:22:36.120 The standard of care is totally, clearly rigged where 40% of our teens are on a pharmaceutical

01:22:41.480 product.

01:22:42.040 And there's 4.6 billion pharmaceutical prescriptions written per year that clearly aren't working.

01:22:48.380 And I'll be honest.

01:22:49.540 I'll just be blunt, Megan.

01:22:50.460 As a parent, I'm concerned about vaccines.

01:22:53.660 We have a different schedule in the United States than other countries.

01:22:56.740 As Bill Cassidy said today, it is not appropriate for a kid to get a hepatitis B vaccine, which

01:23:02.160 is an STD, on the first day of life if the mother tested negative for that condition.

01:23:06.360 That is not the mandate right now.

01:23:07.940 It is a mandate for first day of life.

01:23:10.520 That is the CDC guidance.

01:23:11.920 So what Senator Cassidy said even today contradicts the specific, unambiguous CDC guidance.

01:23:18.080 There are questions to ask about all these things.

01:23:20.160 And again, when we come to the issue of trust, I would plea to Senator Cassidy from knowing

01:23:27.580 Bobby Kennedy, from seeing Bobby Kennedy, I have never, ever heard him say that he wants

01:23:34.180 to get in there and exert his own opinions.

01:23:37.100 He has consistently said, and he believes this to his core, his opinions, even if he has differing

01:23:43.100 personal opinions on certain pharmaceutical products than Senator Cassidy, are meaningless

01:23:48.100 when he gets into the HHS.

01:23:50.500 He and President Trump are strongly, strongly, they're helping on restoring trust in science,

01:23:59.100 on getting money to scientists who do not have conflicts of interest and unleashing them

01:24:05.740 to do true scientific inquiry on why we're getting so sick.

01:24:10.500 He means it when he says to Senator Cassidy that he wants to retort trust in science.

01:24:16.780 And the crux of Senator Cassidy's final message and his final question to Bobby Kennedy is,

01:24:23.280 will Bobby Kennedy definitively say, unambiguously, that vaccines don't cause autism?

01:24:29.600 And Bobby Kennedy wouldn't answer that question directly.

01:24:32.380 I think it's inappropriate.

01:24:33.180 Wait, stand by, Callie.

01:24:33.940 We have that.

01:24:34.880 We have that.

01:24:35.880 Let me play it and then you take it on the back end.

01:24:37.420 Watch.

01:24:38.220 Does a 70-year-old man, 71-year-old man who spent decades criticizing vaccines and who's

01:24:43.720 financially vested in finding fault with vaccines, can he change his attitudes and approach now

01:24:50.200 that he'll have the most important position influencing vaccine policy in the United States?

01:24:57.980 I recognize, man, if you come out unequivocally, vaccines are safe, it does not cause autism,

01:25:05.000 that would have an incredible impact.

01:25:06.940 That's your power.

01:25:10.760 So what's it going to be?

01:25:12.520 Will it be using the credibility to support lots of articles?

01:25:17.420 Or will it be using credibility to undermine?

01:25:21.280 And I got to figure that out for my vote.

01:25:24.300 Go ahead, Callie.

01:25:25.840 Megan, this is, honestly, it's hitting on one of the most important, I think the most important

01:25:31.020 issue in the country, which is trust in our institutions and trust in science.

01:25:35.240 The way to increase trust in science is not for the HHS secretary to make a religious,

01:25:43.000 basically, opinion, a fully 100% firm opinion one way or the other.

01:25:48.180 It's for the HHS secretary to say, Senator, we are going to continue to conduct science on

01:25:54.640 every question, particularly the most taboo questions, particularly the questions that we've

01:26:00.980 been told are settled science.

01:26:03.020 We how many times do we need to be reminded of the corporate capture of institutions,

01:26:09.620 the breakdown institutions?

01:26:11.040 Is it that controversial to say that vaccines can be one of the greatest inventions in American

01:26:15.340 history, but also the fact that the two largest vaccine makers, GlaxoSmith,

01:26:19.480 Klein and Merck, have settled billions of dollars of criminal penalties in the past five

01:26:24.200 years and their findings should be continually subjected to science, that in order to gain

01:26:29.840 trust in public health, we need to be able to ask questions and have continued trust in science.

01:26:34.980 This is the key question.

01:26:36.620 It is inappropriate for and against, frankly, Bobby Kennedy's nature to give a specific opinion.

01:26:42.640 And he's not coming in to HHS with opinions.

01:26:45.840 He's coming into HHS to set a process where the metric of success is that according to Gallup

01:26:52.300 polls and other polls, Americans trust science more, Americans trust vaccines more.

01:26:57.140 The absolute implosion of public trust and public health is not because of Bobby Kennedy.

01:27:03.220 It's because of the public health authorities themselves.

01:27:05.660 And I think Bill Cassidy understands and knows that.

01:27:07.940 Can I just say that?

01:27:09.240 Because I had a very visceral reaction to that soundbite.

01:27:13.020 That's the first I've heard that.

01:27:14.120 And I really feel like, how dare he try to extract that statement from RFKJ?

01:27:19.720 I mean, there are millions of Americans who either are personally or their children have

01:27:25.360 been vaccine injured based on different vaccine experiences.

01:27:29.420 It doesn't mean the vaccine's always unsafe.

01:27:32.220 It does depend on the person sometimes.

01:27:34.580 But how dare he try to get him to say out loud, vaccines are safe and I favor vaccine.

01:27:42.460 Well, like which vaccines?

01:27:43.780 The COVID vaccine?

01:27:45.180 Because I can tell you, I, along with a lot of other Americans, have had very negative experiences

01:27:48.880 with that.

01:27:49.760 And I would be outraged if I heard him issue such a sweeping declaration.

01:27:53.600 I mean, as you well know, is it safe for a 15-year-old boy who might have a heart murmur?

01:27:59.260 Senator Cassidy, why should RFKJ say it is?

01:28:01.420 Kids could get killed.

01:28:02.300 Like, that's a crazy thing he tried to get him to say at the end there.

01:28:05.900 And I'm glad RFKJ won't do it.

01:28:08.860 Yeah, the reason there's low trust in public health is because we've infantilized the American

01:28:13.020 people.

01:28:13.600 We've made something like vaccines a religious issue where you can't ask questions where

01:28:17.940 it's either or.

01:28:19.560 It's binary when there's 72 shots.

01:28:21.860 There's different formulations to each of those shots.

01:28:23.800 I mean, these are questions we should be able to ask.

01:28:26.740 I think it's much wider than that, Megan.

01:28:28.360 And I think what I'd really stress to Senator Cassidy is that the lack of trust is warranted

01:28:36.980 and pervades the entire system.

01:28:40.460 Clearly, the American Medical Association codes, which underlie our entire health care logic,

01:28:45.760 are totally broken.

01:28:46.520 I mean, right now, the science, according to the American Medical Association, which underlies

01:28:50.780 Medicare and Medicaid, is that a two-year-old can undergo gender transition surgery and gender

01:28:56.620 affirming care.

01:28:57.640 That is the stated medical scientific consensus in the documents that underlie American insurance

01:29:08.000 reimbursement.

01:29:08.980 That should continue to be questioned.

01:29:11.400 This is the judgment.

01:29:12.240 This is the judgment, right?

01:29:14.160 I mean, it shouldn't continue to be questioned.

01:29:15.480 It should be immediately called out as an absolute sin and an absolute crime against humanity.

01:29:20.040 But that's the judgment of the science right now.

01:29:23.960 The American Medical Association, which is the most powerful group in the country, I would

01:29:28.040 argue, because they control the logic for 20 percent of our economy and every single doctor

01:29:33.000 that we all have, is a pharmaceutical lobbying organization.

01:29:37.380 By definition, it outsources decision-making to these specialty groups like the American

01:29:42.320 Academy of Pediatrics, where the two largest funders are formula makers and the American

01:29:46.900 Academy of Pediatrics is now questioning whether breast milk is as good as formula, and drug

01:29:53.040 makers.

01:29:53.820 So, like, this is a much longer-

01:29:57.060 The American Academy of Pediatrics was a big vaccine pusher on the COVID vaccine.

01:30:00.580 They were, at every turn, they're big on the trans thing, they're big on the COVID vaccine.

01:30:06.120 There's a long list I've learned, and I think a lot of people have during COVID.

01:30:09.260 Do not trust them.

01:30:11.020 Again, this is not because of Bobby Kennedy.

01:30:13.940 It's much, much larger than vaccines.

01:30:17.200 We are dying as a country.

01:30:20.220 We are decimating our children's future with not just autism, but 40 to 50 percent of teens

01:30:28.620 being overweight or obese, 38 percent of teens having prediabetes, autoimmune conditions.

01:30:36.340 The New York Times recently reported on the front page that cancer rates are at an all-time

01:30:40.960 high among American children, and nobody knows why.

01:30:45.680 Bobby's saying, let's figure out why.

01:30:47.840 Let's get the NIH away. 0.51

01:30:48.720 Yeah, he's willing to look.

01:30:49.520 Nobody's willing to look.

01:30:51.840 I mean, we all know it should not be a controversial statement that there are side effects to every

01:30:57.480 drug.

01:30:58.840 We know vaccine-injured children.

01:31:01.020 That should not be a heretical statement.

01:31:03.340 They should not be hiding.

01:31:06.020 We should be acknowledging that.

01:31:08.480 We should be working on therapeutics for those kids.

01:31:11.200 We should be coming out with the data.

01:31:13.440 But again, it's much wider than that.

01:31:15.340 We don't know what's in our food.

01:31:16.720 We are totally being misled on the standard of care for our drugs.

01:31:20.700 I talk a lot about my mom, who was on five different chronic disease medications based

01:31:25.200 on 15-minute appointments.

01:31:26.760 It was high cholesterol.

01:31:28.000 Take that statin.

01:31:28.940 High blood sugar.

01:31:30.000 Take that metformin.

01:31:30.880 No problem at all.

01:31:31.800 This is normal.

01:31:32.680 50 percent of 65-year-olds take this drug.

01:31:35.140 It's fine.

01:31:36.220 She was robbed of curiosity based on our medical logic of what's going on metabolically in her 0.86

01:31:42.280 body.

01:31:42.700 And it eventually led to cancer, which is a metabolic disease in many cases, too.

01:31:46.720 We have lost the plot.

01:31:50.120 And what the Maha movement is-

01:31:50.700 But instead, you pointed this out yesterday.

01:31:52.240 I'm just going to be honest with you.

01:31:53.340 Instead, what we got was an obsession with measles.

01:31:56.860 That's, I mean, like, they were really, none of this was discussed.

01:32:00.840 And unless Bobby intentionally seized the mantle to try to inject it into the conversation,

01:32:05.640 and Senator Ron Johnson did a great idea, or did a great job of allowing him to express

01:32:09.600 his ideas.

01:32:09.980 Um, it was all about measles, about such small ball nonsense, Callie.

01:32:14.880 You're outlining we are in the midst of a massive public health crisis.

01:32:20.200 People at home, everybody experiences it like it's just them.

01:32:24.340 It's just their mom.

01:32:25.580 It's just like they made bad choices.

01:32:27.600 They have chronic obesity.

01:32:28.580 Oh, well, I have bad luck.

01:32:31.480 Like, what you and your sister, Casey, and RFKJ, and others in this movement have done

01:32:35.560 such a good job of is connecting the dots and saying, you're not alone.

01:32:39.460 Look at the numbers.

01:32:40.700 There are millions, tens of millions of Americans suffering.

01:32:43.740 Someone needs to care about investigating why.

01:32:47.320 I want Senator Cassidy to know this.

01:32:50.260 And I, again, we should all be communicating to him in the next 48 hours with love and an

01:32:55.680 understanding that I know in his heart, he wants what's best for patients.

01:32:59.420 But I will say this.

01:33:01.640 I have never heard the word measles uttered in a private meeting with Bobby Kennedy.

01:33:08.640 It is not what the focus is.

01:33:11.540 There is no plan to do anything other than raise faith and trust in our standards of

01:33:20.460 care.

01:33:21.200 And by the way, forgive me for interrupting, but President Trump is on record as saying

01:33:25.020 he's not going to touch the MMR vaccine and Bobby will listen to Trump that he made that

01:33:29.020 clear.

01:33:29.360 So it's not in danger.

01:33:30.520 Keep going.

01:33:31.280 It's even more than that.

01:33:33.020 Bobby, the meetings with Trump and Bobby are about truly getting money to the best scientists

01:33:39.960 in the world and not standing in their way at all to getting the American people the truth

01:33:44.200 and with no preconceived outcomes.

01:33:47.900 Right now, science is conducted where we already know the answer.

01:33:51.460 That's most of the FDA studies that underlie our drug prescription processes.

01:33:55.520 He wants true, unfettered science and absolutely not standing in the way.

01:34:00.520 The words measles, I've never seen uttered.

01:34:02.360 What I have seen in my small vantage point, you know, watching this movement form is true

01:34:08.420 emotion around reversing and preventing chronic disease.

01:34:13.880 It was just shocking to me, Megan, yesterday.

01:34:17.240 I honestly couldn't believe it.

01:34:18.680 The words obesity, diabetes and heart disease were not uttered one time by the Democrats.

01:34:26.600 I would just say to Senator Cassidy, you've got this partisan weaponization of culture war

01:34:31.440 issues like abortion, where Pharma is funding Mike Pence's group to attack Bobby on abortion,

01:34:38.300 like vaccines, which Pharma clearly sees the wedge issue for Bobby.

01:34:42.300 They're hijacking.

01:34:43.020 This is what they do.

01:34:43.820 I saw this.

01:34:44.840 They're hijacking these issues.

01:34:46.560 The Democrats are falling for that.

01:34:48.500 They've said the word measles 25 times.

01:34:50.460 But if someone in this country cares about children's health, right, 230 million Americans are battling

01:35:00.840 chronic conditions, many of them kids.

01:35:03.340 Measles is important.

01:35:04.480 But even before the invention of that vaccine in 1963, 300 to 400 Americans per year died of

01:35:11.620 measles.

01:35:11.980 Now, I am not dismissing that, but that is just not where Bobby's focused.

01:35:18.100 I just can't stress this enough.

01:35:19.600 He wants, of course, great science to be conducted on pharmaceutical products, particularly

01:35:25.980 pharmaceutical products created by literal criminal enterprises that have settled billions

01:35:31.200 of dollars in criminal penalties over the past five years.

01:35:33.940 Of course, who would disagree with that?

01:35:36.160 I don't think Senator Cassidy disagrees with that.

01:35:38.540 I don't think Senator Cassidy disagrees with resetting the NIH to understand the complex milieu

01:35:45.240 of issues that are impacting our metabolic health, our microbiomes, and leading to skyrocketing

01:35:54.620 rates of every chronic disease to reach an all-time high this year.

01:35:58.780 That is what Bobby wants to do.

01:36:00.380 That involves food.

01:36:01.420 That involves the impact of sleep.

01:36:02.860 That involves the impact of movement.

01:36:04.300 That involves the impact of chronic stress.

01:36:05.980 That involves the impact of light.

01:36:07.320 And yes, it involves the impact of the 4.6 billion pharmaceuticals that we are prescribed

01:36:14.220 in the United States per year.

01:36:15.780 It involves investigating scientifically whether we are getting an ROI on the fact that we are

01:36:20.660 4% of the world's population but produce 75% of the worldwide pharmaceutical products

01:36:25.480 while ranking 60th in life expectancy.

01:36:27.760 Something is clearly not working.

01:36:30.480 And the first phase of Maha that Bobby's talked about is not having opinions.

01:36:36.060 It's getting to the truth.

01:36:37.660 Bobby understands that there's no way we're going to get past this existential moment for

01:36:42.400 American health without bringing Bill Cassidy along, without bringing the American people

01:36:46.420 along.

01:36:46.680 That can only happen with great science.

01:36:49.380 The best way for Bobby to blow up this movement, he understands this, is to come in gunslinging with

01:36:54.820 opinions.

01:36:55.300 He is not doing that.

01:36:56.460 He's made that clear.

01:36:57.420 And I can tell you that is in his heart.

01:36:59.640 He wants President Trump to win the Nobel Prize for resetting science because science is not

01:37:05.780 in a good place right now in this country.

01:37:07.960 No, no.

01:37:09.020 I want to tell the audience, with respect to Senator Cassidy, who needs encouragement to

01:37:14.660 vote yes on Bobby Kennedy, call his office.

01:37:18.060 Do so respectfully.

01:37:19.140 Don't be nasty.

01:37:20.240 We don't have nasty audience members.

01:37:21.820 But just call and express in the clearest, most strong terms you can find how important

01:37:27.400 it is to you, especially if you live in Louisiana, how important it is to you that he support Bobby

01:37:32.900 Kennedy.

01:37:33.280 And here's the number for his D.C. office.

01:37:34.820 It's 202-224-5824.

01:37:39.200 202-224-5824.

01:37:41.740 224-5824.

01:37:43.200 224-5824.

01:37:44.200 Call there.

01:37:45.080 And please make clear, especially if you live in Louisiana, how important it is to you that

01:37:50.320 he support Bobby Kennedy.

01:37:51.520 I mean, there's so much that hangs in the balance with him.

01:37:55.840 And the media attacks on him have been so unfair, Callie.

01:37:59.840 The Democrats' attacks on him were so unfair.

01:38:03.500 I think Senator Cassidy is an honest broker.

01:38:06.660 He didn't go to the totally unfair places.

01:38:09.100 He's just very focused on the vaccine thing.

01:38:11.580 But he seems to be controlled by it right now.

01:38:16.440 No, I'm just going to say this again, and I can't stress this enough.

01:38:19.380 Of course, as he said, he's already hearing from the Maha moms. 1.00

01:38:21.820 He saw those Maha moms behind you at the hearing, Megan. 1.00

01:38:25.680 But by all accounts, and we all need to understand this, the Maha movement, it's this what you've

01:38:32.060 been unpacking, what Casey and I have been unpacking, what so many leaders in the medical

01:38:36.040 freedom and in the health reform space have been talking about for decades.

01:38:41.200 It is a bit of a learning curve to understand.

01:38:46.000 We're talking not about the details and intricacies of Medicare and Medicaid policies.

01:38:51.000 We're talking about the overarching incentives that are leading Americans to get sick.

01:38:55.440 And I would just say to Bill Cassidy, and I would ask everyone to call him, it's just

01:39:00.760 there's a real positive opportunity to have absolute gold star trust in science for Bobby

01:39:08.120 to come in there and not be gunslinging opinions, but really work with senators, bipartisan, to

01:39:14.240 restore trust to American science.

01:39:17.960 And, you know, there's a positive path ahead.

01:39:22.180 We would love to have Bill Cassidy and his expertise in this Maha movement. 1.00

01:39:27.640 I'm sure Maha moms help him get reelected, which I know he wants to do. 0.97

01:39:32.900 I mean, there's a real positive.

01:39:34.620 This is a growing movement.

01:39:36.040 The Maha movement is the most potent political force in politics right now.

01:39:40.600 You know, the gender gap was supposed to be 22 points for President Trump.

01:39:43.360 It was seven.

01:39:44.360 You had just staggering amounts of independents and young people coming to the Trump coalition.

01:39:49.680 This is a true opportunity to improve children's health.

01:39:54.120 And it's a real political opportunity, quite frankly, because I want Maha to embrace Bill

01:40:00.280 Cassidy and I want them to help Bill Cassidy, quite frankly, get reelected.

01:40:04.320 I want to show, frankly, the Democrats who had zero interest on that panel on public health,

01:40:09.900 get the Democrats, you know, more Maha, more preventative. 0.58

01:40:13.820 This is a true fork in the road.

01:40:15.960 And we can't mince words.

01:40:17.620 Every emotion, all the work that's gone into this, all the energy behind Bobby,

01:40:22.540 it does go through the structure of our systems.

01:40:25.920 It goes through one man right now.

01:40:28.300 And that is Bill Cassidy's decision in the next 72 hours.

01:40:33.100 Just to make clear again, the number is 202-224-5824.

01:40:37.980 That's his DC office, 202-224-5824.

01:40:41.780 I know it's asking a lot.

01:40:43.420 It's kind of is to ask somebody to pick up the phone, make a call, say something, you

01:40:48.620 know, kind of plaintiff, you know, something that may not be well received.

01:40:52.720 Although I'm sure they'll be very respectful there.

01:40:54.920 But it's for it's for the health of your children.

01:40:57.400 It's for your own health.

01:40:58.360 It's for the health of your mom and your dad as they go into their golden years.

01:41:03.340 We need we need to try this.

01:41:05.100 That's how I feel.

01:41:05.640 I feel really strongly about this one.

01:41:07.260 We have to try this.

01:41:09.160 It is an inflection point.

01:41:10.280 And if we don't get him in, I don't know when it will be.

01:41:13.760 I mean, I think Trump will appoint somebody who is generally aligned with some of these

01:41:18.140 views, but not somebody like him who cannot be pushed around and who has a lifetime of

01:41:23.540 taking on these industries who seems to almost enjoy it.

01:41:27.200 Like, that's kind of what you need.

01:41:28.540 You can't have a wither.

01:41:30.160 You know, that's that's the great thing about Trump.

01:41:32.420 Well, he's not a wither.

01:41:33.680 He will stand up for us.

01:41:35.880 So, Callie.

01:41:36.800 And by the way, I think we're going to get three for the price of one because he's very

01:41:39.780 close with Callie and Dr. Casey Means.

01:41:41.880 And it would be great to have them advising.

01:41:43.680 I'll give you the last word.

01:41:44.420 Go ahead.

01:41:44.940 I think this is an existential moment.

01:41:46.260 I'm not going to mince words.

01:41:47.220 There are people that are not Maha that are already vying to replace Bobby funded by

01:41:52.340 Pharma and ready to completely reel back this movement.

01:41:55.640 They are already angling.

01:41:57.440 This is a fork in the road moment for American health.

01:42:01.200 I think we had to get that 2024 election right.

01:42:04.760 I thought that election day was the most important day of my life to get President Trump to write

01:42:08.280 the BS we're seeing.

01:42:09.440 I actually think we would have had a hard time coming back if he didn't win.

01:42:13.980 This is a very, very important moment for American health.

01:42:17.500 And we need to express to Bill Cassidy and all the senators the incredible opportunity to

01:42:23.940 improve children's health and the disaster if we continue down our current road.

01:42:28.240 So thank you, Megan.

01:42:29.840 Thank you for everything, Callie.

01:42:31.200 Thanks for being here and to be continued.

01:42:33.580 Wow.

01:42:34.100 We are so lucky to have him.

01:42:35.540 I mean, he and his sister, you know, his sister's Dr. Casey Means, who came on with

01:42:38.540 her book, Good Energy, and then times thereafter.

01:42:41.000 But he doesn't have to be doing this.

01:42:43.940 Callie, I think, went to Stanford and Harvard.

01:42:47.760 She went to double Stanford.

01:42:49.840 Like, they've received the most elite educations.

01:42:52.280 They were accepted in the most elite circles.

01:42:54.380 And they both said, we don't give a damn.

01:42:57.260 This industry, these industries are killing people. 0.81

01:42:59.760 The things we thought were helping people are killing them, and no one's talking about it.

01:43:05.340 And so they've made it their mission to help the rest of us, which is what brought them,

01:43:08.920 you know, into RFK's world.

01:43:10.960 And now they're willing to work for us.

01:43:13.620 They're willing.

01:43:14.560 They've spent their adult lives studying what's wrong.

01:43:17.760 What is the FDA doing?

01:43:19.420 Why aren't the medicine, the drug companies, working to actually develop cures?

01:43:23.900 Who should we distrust the most?

01:43:26.200 Well, how can we solve FDA to actually work for the people instead of just grease the skids for their entry into the private sector so they can build a nice beach house?

01:43:33.700 What's going on with our water supply?

01:43:36.560 How can we protect ourselves until we actually clean up the actual supply?

01:43:40.180 How can I prioritize maha-ing my life? 1.00

01:43:44.080 What are the three things I can do if I have no budget to try to help make my maha lifestyle happen?

01:43:50.500 What foods, at a minimum, should I avoid?

01:43:53.720 Where can I go?

01:43:54.420 It's not Whole Foods.

01:43:55.240 It's not Trader Joe's.

01:43:56.380 It's the kind of foods you're—like, make it easy for me.

01:43:59.880 Make it—that's what they want to do.

01:44:02.120 What we have right now is a government that's trying to make it harder and truly is working to make you sick.

01:44:07.480 There's no other conclusion if you look at the number of things they're doing.

01:44:10.660 And this could be the before and after moment.

01:44:13.420 Senator Cassidy, please, please, please do the right thing.

01:44:16.160 I'll call you, too.

01:44:17.000 I don't live in Louisiana, but maybe you want to hear from me.

01:44:19.080 Maybe not, but I'm going to call anyway.

01:44:20.360 I'm going to do it, you guys.

01:44:21.140 I hope you do it, too.

01:44:22.420 202-224-5824.

01:44:24.460 Spare 90 seconds and make that call and see if we can get him over the finish line.

01:44:31.820 Thanks to all of you.

01:44:32.840 What a busy week, right?

01:44:33.840 And we're not done yet.

01:44:34.620 We're going to be back tomorrow with Charlie Kirk.

01:44:37.540 I will now begin my journey back north.

01:44:40.940 Wish me luck and much love to all of you.

01:44:43.540 Talk to you tomorrow.

01:44:45.600 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

01:44:47.480 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

01:44:54.460 We're up to you tomorrow.

01:45:03.920 We're going to be back tomorrow.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - January 30, 2025

Tulsi vs. the Establishment, Kash on Hot Seat, and RFK's Final Push, with Glenn Greenwald, Calley Means, and More ｜ Ep. 996

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