The Megyn Kelly Show - UK's Righteous Anger, Karmelo Anthony's Parents' Lies, and Cheating in LA Mayor Race, with Laurence Fox and Mike Solana ｜ Ep. 1337

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00:00:57.200 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:08.900 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:12.100 There's a lot to get to today.

00:01:13.380 Carmelo, Anthony's parents, in a new interview, calling his murder conviction a setup.

00:01:19.340 His grandmother, outside of the courthouse, calling the jury racist and biased.

00:01:23.820 and his legal team filing a notice of appeal.

00:01:26.760 Good luck.

00:01:27.900 We're going to get to all of it in our second hour,

00:01:29.700 but we begin today with the attempted beheading

00:01:31.580 in Belfast, Northern Ireland,

00:01:33.300 and the aftershocks still underway.

00:01:36.120 After news spread of the heinous attack,

00:01:39.180 Tommy Robinson posted on X, quote,

00:01:41.780 politicians and legacy media have clearly learned nothing.

00:01:46.560 Reverse the races, 0.84

00:01:47.360 and they'd be falling all over themselves

00:01:49.260 to shout about this.

00:01:50.820 Yet they are purposely downplaying

00:01:52.660 and miswording white people are under attack. Some in the media and political world then

00:01:58.960 demanding that Robinson and Elon Musk, for that matter, be held accountable and jailed,

00:02:04.800 jailed for the protests that broke out, all because people were able to see with their own

00:02:10.240 eyes the video that showed what happened during the attack. You see, but now it's the fault of

00:02:15.520 the people who wanted you to see the video, not the fault of the man who's trying to behead another

00:02:20.280 man in the video. Showing the video here, a man pinned down, being straddled by another man with

00:02:26.860 a knife who kept plunging it into him over and over and over. And of course, we now know the

00:02:32.640 man on top is a Sudanese immigrant who was granted asylum. We'll get to that in a minute.

00:02:38.960 Witnesses can be heard on the tape saying he's trying to cut his head off. The victim lost an

00:02:44.540 eye. The other eye was severely damaged. He's reportedly likely going to be blind and is

00:02:51.540 currently fighting for his life. But take a look at this reporting from the Australian News

00:02:56.340 Corporation. Quote, Elon Musk and far right activist Tommy Robinson have seized upon the

00:03:03.520 alleged stabbing of a man in Belfast. Alleged? Alleged? Tommy Robinson, by the way, is a larger

00:03:13.680 than life figure in the UK. He's got, I think, one Irish parent and one English parent and has

00:03:20.560 been pushing for change, especially on issues like this, immigration in the UK for quite some time.

00:03:26.820 He's a lightning rod because of it. And he has been unabashed in the wake of this news

00:03:33.400 in calling out the open borders that have endangered citizens of the UK and beyond.

00:03:39.180 We're also learning more today about the man accused of attempting to behead this victim, the victim named Stephen Ogilvie.

00:03:48.680 The perpetrator was granted asylum, as I mentioned, after filling out a 10-page questionnaire.

00:03:55.240 The Daily Mail reports his name is 30-year-old Hadid Al-Adid, a Sudanese national,

00:04:03.840 who was given permission to stay in the UK in 2023 after completing the questionnaire,

00:04:08.980 rather than undergoing a far more rigorous face-to-face interview process,

00:04:14.520 as was typically required prior to Rishi Shunak, the previous prime minister,

00:04:21.420 putting in place fast-track asylum processes to clear the backlog.

00:04:27.120 I think they'd rather have the backlog, the citizens that you were governing.

00:04:31.860 The questions included, what is the name of the person or group of people or organization that you fear back home?

00:04:43.620 Did these events take place in your country of origin or after you arrived in the UK?

00:04:50.200 These are tough. This is tough stuff.

00:04:52.560 Did this happen in one place in your country of origin or does your fear extend to all parts of the country? 1.00

00:04:58.980 Duh, what kind of an idiot wouldn't know how to answer those in order to advance his asylum claim? 0.99

00:05:05.440 We don't know how Al-Adid responded to these questions, but whatever his answers were, he was granted the right to stay. 1.00

00:05:11.460 And it's no wonder they didn't foresee that he was a lunatic who not only nearly beheaded a man, a citizen, but also then apparently when he got to the hospital, threatened to kill a radiologist.

00:05:27.280 because they never actually met with him before they gave him a five-year permission to stay

00:05:34.280 based on his asylum claims. No one actually interacted with him. They just read his paper

00:05:42.060 statement. This is unbelievable. This is no way to screen for lunacy into your country.

00:05:47.780 And that's how we wound up here. Joining me now is Lawrence Fox. He's an actor. He's an activist.

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00:07:11.980 agency, LLC, a licensed insurance company. Lawrence, great to see you again. This is a

00:07:18.800 nightmare. I mean, what's happening? I know you are currently in Italy and it looks amazing there,

00:07:23.500 but back in the UK, we had a second night of fires and protests and anger, anger, because

00:07:33.280 what we talked about on the show yesterday seems near universal now amongst the media in the UK,

00:07:39.420 which is they are very, very focused on why people showed the video and why they're talking

00:07:46.700 so meanly about immigrants now in the wake of this. Your thoughts?

00:07:51.480 It's very interesting, isn't it, that instead of being upset about the person who

00:07:56.700 tried to cut someone's head off, they're more upset about the fact that we've seen a video

00:08:03.880 of the person that they tried to cut their head off. And we've had the Irish First Minister today

00:08:08.620 saying that it's terrible that we've seen the video.

00:08:12.140 Europe is very much further down the road

00:08:15.600 of this idea of multiculturalism,

00:08:18.480 this disgusting idea of multiculturalism, actually,

00:08:20.880 which is that we can all coexist together in happy harmony. 0.96

00:08:23.960 We can't.

00:08:25.100 And we've witnessed, with this attempted beheading,

00:08:30.980 beheading, you know, it's a big thing in the West.

00:08:34.340 We didn't talk about beheadings when I was a kid.

00:08:37.620 It's the attempt at beheading of a man on the street, Stephen Ogilvy, 1.00

00:08:43.120 by a Sudanese migrant who has absolutely, unrelentingly, 0.99

00:08:49.420 the British people have voted for this not to happen. 1.00

00:08:53.320 And we're now being told that we have to be quiet for the sake of diversity.

00:08:57.960 It's the rage that you will see in the British people,

00:09:02.020 which is rising in a way which I've never witnessed before,

00:09:06.000 is going to be displayed at this strange by-election

00:09:10.900 that we're getting next week in a place called Mayfield in Britain.

00:09:14.520 So you're going to see a very, very, very severely right-wing party

00:09:18.640 do extremely, extremely well.

00:09:20.720 It's an absolutely appalling tragedy,

00:09:22.960 especially after what happened to Henry Novak.

00:09:25.500 You know, we're not allowed to be upset in our country.

00:09:28.420 We're told that we're not allowed to be upset

00:09:29.980 that someone is trying to cut someone's head off

00:09:32.640 who was never asked to be here in the first place.

00:09:34.840 It's sort of, it's Gadsad levels of suicidal empathy.

00:09:39.380 Mm-hmm.

00:09:40.180 Yes, yes.

00:09:40.860 Our friend Gadsad wrote a book called that.

00:09:43.260 That headline is just one example, but we could be here all day going through similar ones.

00:09:47.780 This one was from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation that I mentioned in the intro.

00:09:50.940 And it really does say so much.

00:09:53.440 Okay.

00:09:53.940 It's the summary of the article on the outlet's website now entitled,

00:10:00.340 keyboard warriors. Northern Ireland leader hits out at Musk and Robinson. Billionaire Elon Musk

00:10:08.060 and far-right activist Tommy Robinson have seized upon the alleged stabbing of a man in Belfast by

00:10:16.600 a Sudanese immigrant to push an anti-immigration agenda. Lawrence, this is such massive, like,

00:10:23.440 we joke about this, right? Republicans pounce. We joke about this all the time over here.

00:10:27.620 And here it is, that these two is, I guess it's Elon's fault and Tommy Robinson's fault because they seized upon the alleged.

00:10:35.920 And that's really the headline here on day two.

00:10:38.960 Well, without Elon Musk, this story would not be in the national media.

00:10:43.480 It wouldn't be in the international media.

00:10:44.960 It wouldn't be anywhere without Elon Musk.

00:10:46.600 So you can have your own views on Elon Musk, which people do.

00:10:50.880 But without Elon Musk, Henry Novak's murder and avoidable death,

00:10:55.560 actually, I think, which will come to pass,

00:10:58.460 we'll find out that it was an avoidable death

00:11:00.180 because it was 60 minutes before the police called the ambulance arrived.

00:11:05.380 We wouldn't know about any of this stuff.

00:11:07.140 So these politicians, and I always pick up on this term, our,

00:11:12.440 when they talk about our, they go, our democracy.

00:11:14.480 You get a lot in the US with Ilhan Omar and stuff like that.

00:11:18.500 and go, our democracy can only be protected in this way.

00:11:21.100 It's like, no, hang on a minute.

00:11:23.060 Two people have been needlessly massacred 1.00

00:11:25.900 at the hands of diversity, you know,

00:11:28.800 and we're told that diversity is our greatest strength

00:11:31.080 and all of this stuff, and it's not our greatest strength.

00:11:33.880 And Britain, I suppose, is further along the road

00:11:38.080 than America is.

00:11:39.980 We are going to, you're going to see

00:11:41.980 absolute uncontrollable, ungovernable rage

00:11:46.240 from the people of our country,

00:11:47.740 quite rightly so look at this we're seeing it right now i was there that we're rolling right

00:11:52.260 now shows these people in the streets are just irate i was there i was there at that thing and

00:11:59.500 and also it's not the best thing for for britain i was right there at that as well and i what i find

00:12:07.000 so sad is that these government employees they work for us they are they are our employees that

00:12:13.680 We hire them to serve us.

00:12:15.960 But it seems like the only thing that they want to serve 0.88

00:12:18.240 is somebody else, is the sacred immigrant,

00:12:22.240 which is a really strange idea in a country,

00:12:24.900 especially in Britain.

00:12:26.120 America, obviously, is a country built on immigration,

00:12:29.020 but the UK is not a country built on immigration.

00:12:31.920 So to be forced to,

00:12:34.520 and you see the two-tier justice system in the United Kingdom,

00:12:36.940 to be forced to worship at the altar of diversity is insane. 0.98

00:12:40.980 You're getting to the point where your average British person would rather be called a racist and protect their family than they would put up with this rubbish. 0.96

00:12:51.680 And you're suffering from the same woke-minded liberal politician policies that we are, where I was looking at the numbers. 0.77

00:13:01.480 the Rishi Shunak promised when he was prime minister to clear a backlog of 92,000 asylum

00:13:10.780 cases, 92,000. It was privately described within the home office as the quote grant factory in

00:13:18.560 reference to the huge numbers of asylum seekers granted refugee status. It was dubbed by critics

00:13:25.000 dangerous folly, asylum amnesty in all but name. And yet he did it and he was proud of it. 0.57

00:13:33.380 And they reduced the screening process to just 10 pages of paper with asinine questions like

00:13:40.980 describe the group that you're afraid of in your home country. Did it apply to the whole country

00:13:46.460 or just parts of the country? And then you got your permission slip to stay in which this guy

00:13:51.420 was sicked on the UK people for five years and there are tens of thousands, there are hundreds

00:13:58.920 of thousands just like him. So where's the accountability for Rishi Sunak? All I saw in

00:14:04.340 the paper yesterday, Lawrence, was the most fervent anti-immigration group saying,

00:14:10.900 we're going to stop Sudanese asylum claims for now. That doesn't even begin to cover it.

00:14:16.720 if you if you come from where i where i live i live in a place where a lot of polish people

00:14:23.780 came to britain and offered their great and wonderful skills to the united kingdom

00:14:29.000 those people were complained about in the united kingdom so they they changed the policy and they

00:14:34.920 they brought in people from other parts of the world sudan and all this sort of stuff and it

00:14:39.260 and it's ended up in a in a position where we're going absolutely not a single person wants this

00:14:46.220 guy here trying to behead someone that's absolutely awful and we need to we we have to get to a place

00:14:53.700 where we go this is completely completely wrong and um i listened to your introduction and i i

00:15:00.780 thought it sort of like made me giggle because i was like you're trying to pronounce all these

00:15:04.380 british names and it's rishi sunak and it's this and it's that these people are not these are first 0.52

00:15:11.420 second and third generation immigrants that are taking over the policies of the country

00:15:15.240 and the country is Britain 1.00

00:15:17.540 which is, the Magna Carta

00:15:19.660 was signed in 1215 I think

00:15:21.360 which gave us our basic

00:15:23.660 fundamental common law rights in the United Kingdom

00:15:25.620 and the whole thing's being

00:15:27.640 turned on its head in moments

00:15:29.920 we're heading

00:15:31.860 for, I would say we're probably

00:15:33.820 heading for civil war, I can't see 1.00

00:15:35.900 another way, I think there'll be 1.00

00:15:37.840 I think we're looking at

00:15:39.620 someone said

00:15:41.740 today, I was watching today and I was listening

00:15:43.780 say that we've become ungovernable because the judicial system won't do it you and i have spoken

00:15:48.880 before about what um the persecution i am under they're trying to put me in prison for many years

00:15:54.540 and tommy who is trying to get online at the moment they're trying to lock up the people that

00:15:59.840 were just pointed out tommy for example who they call a far right person is actually an ultra

00:16:04.820 libertarian he's not right wing in any way at all like you couldn't even he's i don't even know what

00:16:11.020 the term far right means anymore i have no idea far too right is what it means then that's all

00:16:16.960 of us in their view right any amount of right is far too yeah and and it's we just we're going to

00:16:23.880 see these are people these are ordinary people i go and spend time with these people all the time

00:16:28.460 they are ordinary people and they would rather be called a racist and protect their children from

00:16:32.420 being murdered than they would be called a racist and that's an awful thing because western society

00:16:37.660 revolves and and it circulates around this idea that certain smears and slants are important like

00:16:44.200 cowardice was always very important back in the day and racism was important but now these words

00:16:49.780 mean nothing they mean absolutely nothing at all and and you you have it in america and and we've

00:16:56.240 seen with the awful trial of kamalo anthony it's like oh my goodness you sit there and you go this

00:17:03.740 is what happens when you entitle people it's a very negative thing to do is to entitle someone

00:17:09.700 to my wife is not white for example I would never turn around to my wife and say right well you know 0.90

00:17:15.700 you're a victim and therefore you're entitled to be upset if you get put in jail because you 0.93

00:17:19.860 stabbed someone it's insane these policies are insane they're insane and what will happen is

00:17:26.280 there will be a correction we will correct it and it will be horrible to correct it and I'm

00:17:30.780 very sad about it, actually. Yeah. If the government won't, the people will. That's

00:17:35.460 what we're seeing. The people have gone along for years now. I mean, I was on Fox News in the mid

00:17:42.960 2010s. It was around 2015, right, when Angela Merkel was letting them in by the million

00:17:49.940 into Germany, you know, refugees from Syria and elsewhere and changing the face of Europe. 1.00

00:17:58.280 The UK was almost as guilty. Like this has been going on now for more than a decade, just open borders. And we are seeing the effects. You talk about Elon Musk and his role in calling attention to some of this. Let's not forget what he did on the rape scandal that happened in the UK with Muslim men who were raping young white girls. 1.00

00:18:17.460 And there was no accountability for far too long because of the races, because they were sensitive to pointing the finger at a bunch of brown skin men who were Muslim who happened to be raping young white girls. 0.98

00:18:30.120 I mean, that sounds made up. That sounds like something some lunatic would accuse the government of doing. But it was real, Lawrence. And then just on the heels of this, in the paper right now is a story about three or four men who raped a young white teenage girl in the UK. 0.99

00:18:48.860 They had her in a hotel room for a day. They drugged her. Then there were three young children who were stabbed viciously outside of their school by another guy. It's like the crimes are so dastardly you can hardly believe it. 0.73

00:19:07.140 And yet, over and over, it seems to me that the UK government has either ignored it or wanted to shove it under the rug, or at a minimum, will not talk about the bigger picture, what's happening to the culture here.

00:19:19.320 Well, there's something about the fact that every, you know, there's something wonderful in the biblical aspect of every single human life is sacred, and that we're all really, really important, all of us, black, white, and all the other colors in between.

00:19:34.700 and that used to be a paradigm that we we took as a as a as a as a progressive genuinely progressive

00:19:42.180 western civilization we we would think that you know you are amazing and you're wonderful and i

00:19:47.060 hope you succeed but this woke racism of turning around to black people specifically and certainly

00:19:53.520 what we call ethnic minorities in the uk or migrant populations or whatever we call them

00:19:59.160 is to say that in some way you are less than the person that you are trying to

00:20:03.660 we want you to replace. It's insane. We have to live in a world, and I'm afraid it has to be a

00:20:11.580 Christian-centric world, where we say that every single one of your lives is sacred. You can

00:20:17.920 achieve well beyond the barriers of your class and your financial situations. You know, that's

00:20:25.040 actually where the inequality really lies in life. It's not about skin colour. So you find

00:20:30.300 entitlement what happens is you create entitlement so i mean i can't begin to guess what the 0.93

00:20:36.800 government are going to tell us that this sudanese lunatic savage did but they will blame it on 0.96

00:20:42.340 mental health that's what they will do but if a white person did it they would blame it on 0.98

00:20:46.540 political extremism so we're left in this world where white people have absolutely no defense to

00:20:54.020 poor behavior in their own community but if someone of any different ethnicity or color

00:20:58.200 can turn around and say, well, I'm a victim, I'm the oppressed. 0.83

00:21:00.980 And it's just a global communist hellhole.

00:21:04.600 And I don't really understand, other than in Britain,

00:21:08.120 I can't see any way out of it other than extreme civil disobedience.

00:21:13.380 Because white people in this country are treated like second-class citizens. 0.89

00:21:19.320 And the people who pay the taxes in this country are the white people. 0.59

00:21:23.120 With all due respect to everyone who's not white who pays taxes in Great Britain, 0.87

00:21:27.140 It is the indigenous white population of Britain that pays the taxes, that pays for the hotels of the man who, our good friend, Mr. Al-Adid, who sounds like a cast member from, you know, Sacha Baron Cohen film The Dictator. 1.00

00:21:43.260 We are paying to be destroyed. 1.00

00:21:46.480 And I just find it insane.

00:21:48.120 I just find it very, very sad. 0.85

00:21:49.720 No, I mean, here in America, who's paying for all those Somalians in Minnesota to sit around and commit fraud? 0.62

00:21:59.440 We are. 0.98

00:22:00.260 We're paying for their, we're subsidizing their housing, their health care,

00:22:03.420 as they built the system for millions and millions of dollars on fake daycares that they claim they've set up and so on.

00:22:10.800 We're seeing a very similar dynamic here.

00:22:12.800 Can I ask you a question?

00:22:14.060 Can I ask you a question? 1.00

00:22:15.880 What role do you think feminism has to play in this? 1.00

00:22:18.660 Oh, it's big. 1.00

00:22:19.720 It's big. It's it is suicidal empathy. I mean, I think feminists find their own empowerment in somehow in part allowing themselves to be taken advantage of, allowing themselves to sort of lay down at the altar of some of these woke gods without a care for who will be affected.

00:22:40.380 You know, even if it's even if it's another woman, even if it's like a young girl who is on her way up and is going to be the next wave of feminists like you can understand the radical feminists not really giving two shits about men, but like they don't care who the victims are.

00:22:56.760 it's about themselves, making themselves feel good. They're good people. They're standing for

00:23:02.420 the right things, which includes against men and their toxicity. And that means we have to

00:23:07.540 have open borders. We have to welcome the less than, and that makes us somehow better people. 1.00

00:23:12.420 I mean, it's about small egos that need to feed. So I think, yeah, they definitely have dirty hands 1.00

00:23:17.680 in this. It's very interesting because there's been lots of polling done in the UK as people,

00:23:22.380 because we're trying to dig into this and find out what's actually going on. Why are people

00:23:26.360 behaving in this entirely irrational upside down type of way and there's been a lot of polling of 0.95

00:23:31.700 what would happen if only women were allowed to vote uh if only women were allowed to vote

00:23:37.940 and the women would vote in these insane green party people in the uk who on the one hand believe 0.68

00:23:45.500 that queers for palestine and on the other hand believe that um you know we need to integrate 0.80

00:23:51.700 lots of muslim people into the uk so you're sort of left with this strange dichotomy which is to 0.97

00:23:57.100 include everyone which i think is quite a feminine trait to be fair but i i do wonder whether you

00:24:03.880 know looking back over the history of the great of great britain back to 1200 you know in the magna

00:24:09.380 carta why they insisted on passing down the the legacy and the inheritance to the to the male

00:24:16.500 was because we would have if women were only allowed to vote in the united kingdom we would 1.00

00:24:21.240 have we would have lunatics in charge of this country and well and it's not just women though 1.00

00:24:27.840 it's also it's also feminized men yeah cucked men 100 they're the worst they're much worse than 0.99

00:24:33.420 women yeah right i mean they're right like a rishi sunak frankly yeah i mean they're they're 0.97

00:24:40.840 everywhere and they tend to get elected on over here on the democrat ticket it's one of the

00:24:44.840 reasons people recoil now when they see some of the offerings coming off of that ticket i think

00:24:49.740 we're starting to get it. I mean, we've had big, bold leadership over here in the form of Donald

00:24:55.040 Trump, who is a walking middle finger. He's not perfect, but he's a huge start for us in winning

00:25:01.680 this war. That guy on the Sunak numbers that I was offering earlier. So they have, you know,

00:25:06.940 as I said, tens of thousands of claims that he said he would he would make sure got cleared.

00:25:11.320 92,000. 95% of Sudanese asylum claims were granted. 95%. And no wonder, because here's

00:25:21.820 what Sunak said in 2022. He acknowledged claims need to be processed, quote, in days or weeks,

00:25:29.760 not months or years, and pledged to radically re-engineer asylum processing, quote, with

00:25:34.900 shorter guidance, fewer interviews, less paperwork, and introducing specialist caseworkers by

00:25:42.460 nationality. By implementing these changes, the government apparently expects to abolish the

00:25:46.940 backlog of initial asylum decisions by the end of 2023. What was wrong with having a backlog?

00:25:52.200 Who cares? So they have to wait. Keep the backlog. Here's an interesting one for you.

00:25:57.420 So the new emerging, supposedly, right-wing party, but it's not. It's a replacement for

00:26:03.980 the Labour Party, the trade union-driven Labour Party,

00:26:07.420 which is called Reform, led by Nigel Farage,

00:26:09.460 who is very famous, obviously.

00:26:12.360 The people that are in his cabinet,

00:26:15.700 shadow cabinet or whatever, you know,

00:26:17.320 his cabinet in exile,

00:26:20.520 these are the people that let these people in.

00:26:24.080 So in England, we have this strange conundrum

00:26:26.700 whereby the insurgent political party

00:26:28.720 is run by an establishment stooge as well,

00:26:31.300 who has been proven to have been paid lots of money

00:26:34.940 to implement things that the establishment want to have done.

00:26:37.960 And then what we have is this new political party

00:26:40.480 run by a guy called Rupert Lowe,

00:26:42.880 who I would thoroughly encourage all of your followers,

00:26:46.320 anyone who watches the show, to follow,

00:26:49.200 because he does not take any SH1T from anybody.

00:26:55.060 That Britain is in need of this incredible common sense,

00:26:59.260 deep love of our very severe cultural heritage

00:27:04.060 and very deep and meaningful cultural heritage.

00:27:07.200 But Nigel Farage has decided to pop back into politics

00:27:09.900 to create, actually really to take revenge

00:27:13.320 and become powerful.

00:27:14.900 But we have this other party

00:27:16.500 and it's a brilliant political party

00:27:18.660 called Restore Britain.

00:27:20.200 And Rupert Lowe is coming in to say,

00:27:23.160 I'm going to deport all of these people.

00:27:24.600 They're gone. 0.95

00:27:25.280 And I'm going to get rid of DEI.

00:27:26.680 He's Trump.

00:27:27.540 He's basically the British Trump.

00:27:29.260 And Elon has been very, very solid with him.

00:27:33.280 And Elon, actually, to be fair to Elon,

00:27:35.180 Elon called out Farage a couple of years ago, I think,

00:27:38.020 or maybe a year ago.

00:27:39.040 He turned around and went, Farage is not the answer.

00:27:41.140 And Elon is right.

00:27:42.420 And the British government said,

00:27:43.760 we've got to shut up, Elon. 0.94

00:27:45.160 We've got to shut up, Elon. 0.97

00:27:46.180 It's like, well, why do you have to shut up, Elon? 0.84

00:27:49.000 Why don't you just stop the guy getting bedded in the street?

00:27:51.100 That would be a start,

00:27:52.140 seeing as we pay the taxes for your police forces. 0.99

00:27:54.280 Listen, we played this woman yesterday.

00:27:57.140 She's quite a beaut, this Kathy Newman.

00:27:59.260 of Sky News. And here's what she had to say about Elon here in Sot 5.

00:28:04.080 What we're seeing here is, quite frankly, Elon Musk deliberately working with the far right to

00:28:09.340 stir up an incitement to violence. And we should be taking real action. And he's a trillionaire,

00:28:15.240 so I don't think the government's going to go after him that aggressively after all.

00:28:18.660 But he's not in this country either. They should. They should put Elon Musk in jail.

00:28:24.380 They should put Elon Musk in jail.

00:28:26.500 i mean come on also kathy newman was a woman that um jordan peterson put down in one thing

00:28:35.640 he went he was talking about does my right to offend trump your right to be offended

00:28:40.640 you know with kathy newman and it was what made jordan peterson famous that she was involved in

00:28:45.940 that was her so she the fact that this woman still not not that it's a woman but the fact

00:28:51.900 that this person still has any public platform at all is insane.

00:28:57.160 So what the British media are trying to do

00:28:59.040 is to turn around and say,

00:29:00.700 this is why you're great, right?

00:29:02.360 I listen to your show every night.

00:29:03.760 I listen to you.

00:29:05.300 I listen to others.

00:29:06.560 But the reason why we listen to you,

00:29:08.460 and actually you got me into trouble

00:29:09.540 because I listen to you,

00:29:11.360 I say things out loud

00:29:12.480 that I probably shouldn't have done on TV.

00:29:17.100 It's a badge of honor.

00:29:18.120 You know, this thing of going like,

00:29:20.780 With going to listen to you, Kathy Newman, about anything,

00:29:24.940 like put him in jail, what does that mean?

00:29:28.720 Challenge his idea, please.

00:29:31.600 Yes, exactly, interrogate it.

00:29:33.940 Challenge what you think is so wrong with free speech.

00:29:38.020 Express to me in a way which I can understand

00:29:40.580 why it's important to suppress every normal human being's right

00:29:44.520 to express themselves freely.

00:29:46.000 And if someone can explain that to me, then I'll listen.

00:29:48.960 But so far, all I hear is the words, our democracy, our freedoms.

00:29:53.740 And it's like, they're not ours, they're yours.

00:29:56.240 And we're going to take them back.

00:29:57.620 And you're about to see it in Britain.

00:29:59.160 And it's going to be mass civil unrest.

00:30:01.480 That's what's going to happen.

00:30:02.720 We've been quiet for long enough.

00:30:04.560 That's how I don't, we haven't had quite the uprising on immigration that you guys are

00:30:10.660 having right now.

00:30:11.580 We elected Trump and Trump closed the border.

00:30:14.640 Thank God.

00:30:15.600 And that's a huge start.

00:30:16.680 But I do think we had that uprising on the race essentialism and the trans thing, you know, that we did get to the point where it was hard.

00:30:25.320 No. And I don't think the U.K. has gotten there yet. 0.52

00:30:28.020 I think you guys are hitting the immigration thing a little before we are.

00:30:30.860 We're just you're at the end of your rope.

00:30:32.720 We kind of got there with some terrible, brutal crimes that we saw with Lake and Riley and so on.

00:30:37.200 But we haven't seen people rush to the streets over immigration the way we're seeing right now and the anger after Henry Novak like that.

00:30:44.780 I do think that's important.

00:30:46.680 And it's the reason why it's not just this lunatic who we talked about, Kathy Newman.

00:30:53.220 But here's the minister of Northern Ireland, Michelle O'Neill.

00:30:57.980 She's also got ideas about who's to blame and what could have prevented all of this.

00:31:03.640 I speak not of the beheading.

00:31:05.300 She doesn't seem so worried about preventing that.

00:31:07.460 I speak of the protests and the outcries.

00:31:10.420 Listen to this.

00:31:11.000 That's seven.

00:31:11.940 Monday night was horrific.

00:31:13.540 And so many people saw that image.

00:31:15.640 i wish people didn't see that image but unfortunately many people did what but it was absolutely

00:31:20.080 horrific but there are bad actors that are jumping on this and actually using it to stir up hate and

00:31:25.280 tension and people who don't even know who we are we're not a racist people here people who don't 1.00

00:31:30.260 even know where we are on a map but yet now we see the likes of the elon musks of this world

00:31:34.800 where we see the tommy robson's of this world the keyboard warriors who are sitting very comfy in

00:31:39.760 their homes orchestrating hate and tension and bringing this on to our streets and encouraging

00:31:44.080 is on our streets. So I don't think, I think people need to be alert to that. Who's behind

00:31:48.580 this? Like these protests that have been organized, if they're that smart about their

00:31:52.460 protests, why can they not put their face to it? Because they can't, because these protests are

00:31:56.320 being organized by faceless thugs, in my opinion. All Elon did was call for people to protest.

00:32:03.380 That's it, which is a right. And did you hear, she wishes people hadn't seen the video.

00:32:09.600 So that's the problem, Lawrence.

00:32:11.500 They saw the attempted beheading.

00:32:13.760 It's so pesky, this actual proof of which we speak.

00:32:17.320 No one wants to see the beheading.

00:32:19.120 We want to talk about why the beheading is a good thing.

00:32:22.080 You know, and why integration and diversity is so wonderful.

00:32:26.040 But I mean, anyone who's had any level of education in this country

00:32:29.700 or any Western country,

00:32:31.880 their belief is that the only diversity we're interested in at all is of opinion.

00:32:37.200 so it's okay to turn around

00:32:40.100 it's also ironic that the

00:32:42.080 minister is flanked by what

00:32:44.320 look like babysitters 0.85

00:32:45.560 and she's sitting there saying

00:32:47.760 it's just awful but the worst part of it

00:32:50.360 is she's speaking out of the most 0.70

00:32:52.420 sectarianly violent

00:32:54.020 country that has ever 1.00

00:32:56.360 existed really I mean it's Britain's 0.99

00:32:58.340 Rwanda Northern Ireland the way 1.00

00:33:00.200 that these people have

00:33:01.940 murdered

00:33:03.920 you know and killed each other 0.98

00:33:05.980 just because one is Catholic and one is Protestant. 0.71

00:33:08.500 So for them to suddenly develop a conscience

00:33:10.460 is absolutely reprehensible.

00:33:13.140 And the problem is that they don't realise

00:33:15.500 that people are not consuming legacy media anymore.

00:33:18.280 They're consuming you.

00:33:19.180 They're consuming Dan Wooten.

00:33:20.140 They're not consuming regulated government media,

00:33:23.920 which is why the British government

00:33:24.940 are trying to add new statutes onto the online...

00:33:30.140 I mean, it does make you want to laugh.

00:33:33.980 It's like, you know, to stop people

00:33:35.880 accessing the truth we have in the united kingdom we have a labor government which is turning around

00:33:41.460 and saying we're going to ban children from any form of media which isn't state approved until

00:33:47.440 they're 16 and then we're going to give them the vote i mean chairman mal would be excited about

00:33:51.860 this he'd be like great plan chaps we we are living in a dystopian hellhole in the united

00:33:58.120 kingdom and what i love about my fellow countrymen and i love about tommy tech tommy who's useless

00:34:04.280 I'm getting on a Zoom.

00:34:06.600 What I love about...

00:34:07.720 We'll get him at some point.

00:34:09.160 What I love about Tommy is Tommy is a mainstream person, right?

00:34:14.600 And Elon made him mainstream.

00:34:17.220 Elon said, listen to Tommy, he's got a voice. 0.95

00:34:20.580 And if you decide that he's a thug and a racist, 0.89

00:34:23.120 then you make your own mind up about it. 0.99

00:34:25.300 But don't let the government tell you he's a thug and a racist 0.74

00:34:27.520 because the government are not to be trusted.

00:34:29.100 And it's why Trump, in his hyperbolic Trump's brilliance,

00:34:33.280 is the fact that he doesn't play by the rules.

00:34:35.920 He doesn't play by the,

00:34:37.640 well, I'm going to be very sober and judicious

00:34:39.420 in this and that and this.

00:34:41.900 And Tommy is that.

00:34:43.320 I genuinely pray that Tommy gets a mission behind him

00:34:50.040 to go, I could lead these people.

00:34:52.320 People will follow me because we would.

00:34:54.840 We absolutely would.

00:34:55.780 He's the Robin Hood of our generation.

00:34:58.380 Trump would be out there right now

00:34:59.900 if this happened in America, 0.93

00:35:01.180 calling this guy an animal.

00:35:03.280 I mean, he would not be holding back.

00:35:05.620 He, far from chastising anybody about their severe reaction to watching an attempted beheading of one of their countrymen, he would be joining them in expressing the horror.

00:35:14.100 And that's what these politicians don't get.

00:35:15.520 They don't even give lip service.

00:35:17.460 They can't.

00:35:18.300 They'll say, like, oh, it was terrible, but the reaction is too much, and Elon and Tommy are to blame for it, and that's what's really—they don't get it.

00:35:27.600 unless they feel it the way you feel it, the way Tommy Robinson feels it, the way even I feel it

00:35:32.100 over here, they can't sell it. And the public knows they don't give a shit. They'll, if given 0.99

00:35:37.880 the chance, they would give another 92,000 from Sudan asylum tomorrow. We know it. The only answer

00:35:45.740 is to oust these people and to rouse the hearts and minds who feel the same way into getting out

00:35:52.160 on the streets and saying, no more. That's it. This poor guy who almost lost his head

00:35:57.900 was a special needs guy. He already, it comes out, was attacked brutally back in 2002 by a

00:36:05.320 drug dealer that was a roommate of his who set him on fire. This poor guy's been through a lot

00:36:11.280 living in assisted housing now for people who are special needs. And he gets targeted by this

00:36:16.400 low life. We got enough low lives in our country. You got enough in your country. You don't need a

00:36:20.540 fucking in in incorporate the the ones from sudan to unleash hell on our citizens that's what i 1.00

00:36:26.880 can't stand they're like oh you know americans commit crimes yes but we have to deal with them 0.99

00:36:31.060 we don't have to deal with sudanese you shouldn't have to either but what happened to what happened

00:36:36.600 to believing in ourselves you know to to saying the west we we we bought we bought the canon of

00:36:42.760 common law across the world we stopped sati we stopped we we we bought free speech to the to

00:36:49.480 to the world we ended slavery we did all this stuff that still exists today by the way

00:36:53.420 what is going on and what is actually going on is in education i you know you and trans which

00:36:59.460 you had a you've had an epiphany on which is great you know they start focusing on things 0.97

00:37:04.440 that just don't matter at all and what they do is a constant unending demoralization of our society

00:37:11.680 and our people and when i say our people i don't mean white people i mean people that adhere to

00:37:16.640 the british value system the civic nationalist people of the west of any color they have to

00:37:23.540 moralize us so much that you can be racist white people to the point where a man who has stabbed

00:37:28.440 someone in the heart his parents can feel aggrieved and his mother can feel aggrieved to turn around 0.70

00:37:34.260 and say you kind of deserved it i mean what on earth does that lead to that's what i want to know

00:37:40.680 What does it lead to it? What positive does that lead to?

00:37:45.380 And that that same dynamic is underlying all the cases that we are discussing, the Henry Novak murder, the attempted beheading of this white man by a black man from Sudan. 0.71

00:37:58.380 and then the Carmelo Anthony case.

00:38:01.320 It's because what we know in all of those cases, in all three of those cases,

00:38:05.020 is that if the races were reversed, there would be no chastising of the protests that followed in the streets.

00:38:14.180 There'd be no tisking about those who thought protest was appropriate

00:38:18.840 and felt really, really angry that this goes on.

00:38:22.960 None whatsoever.

00:38:24.440 In fact, Keir Starmer took a knee after George Floyd.

00:38:28.380 and made it a huge deal. 0.84

00:38:30.420 George Floyd, he's not even British.

00:38:32.820 That wasn't even a UK case.

00:38:34.760 So we know that they'd be acting differently. 0.74

00:38:37.280 And it truly gets back to, honestly, do white lives matter? 0.93

00:38:41.020 Do they matter at all? 0.99

00:38:42.740 No, they don't. 0.63

00:38:44.220 And until white people, which is so sad about identity politics as well,

00:38:48.760 because no one wants to play identity politics.

00:38:51.680 I think Martin Luther King was right to say it's content to character, not color of skin.

00:38:57.680 But identity politics, to assume that just because you happen to have one colour of skin 1.00

00:39:02.480 ahead of another makes you not a wonderful person, I think it's a stupid idea. 0.98

00:39:07.200 But at the same time, once you start playing it, 0.99

00:39:10.060 when Keir Starmer gets down on his knee for a convicted, armed-robbing, fentanyl-addict man

00:39:14.740 who's stuck a sawn-off shotgun into a pregnant lady's stomach,

00:39:19.060 that we have to get on the knee for him.

00:39:20.820 But you won't get on the knee for the person who actually paid taxes for you to protect them.

00:39:25.280 Where does that lead?

00:39:26.560 And also, more broadly, which is actually, this is a really harrowing thought, and I don't like it at all, but it's true. 0.99

00:39:33.380 If you think about the way the Western canon is spoken about these days, you know, the damage, the horribleness of the British Empire and white people in America and what white people did to America and Britain and all this sort of stuff. 1.00

00:39:48.500 Essentially, you're looking, you're talking about 7% of the global population would be identified as white.

00:39:54.920 what's the end result of that revenge so i i think that your average working class white person in

00:40:02.300 in certainly in the uk is certainly think they're going to take revenge on me for something i didn't

00:40:08.100 do wrong so at that point you're looking at something truly truly tragic and you see it

00:40:15.560 it's perfectly exemplified in the in the way that they say i wish you hadn't seen the video of the

00:40:21.480 person trying to chop his head off because it's like actually what they should be saying what

00:40:28.720 any sensible person would be saying was this is horrendous and we are going to deal with this

00:40:34.020 so come up with a policy to say right okay even if it's not a what they would call a racist or

00:40:39.280 far-right policy say anyone who is being granted indefinitely to remain in the united kingdom for

00:40:44.320 no reason whatsoever are filling in a questionnaire perhaps we should remove them and return them to 0.54

00:40:49.380 where they are we have 40 000 islamic extremists on the british terror watch list and one of those

00:40:56.060 people is going to do the same thing to someone else very soon and what and and i i mean i really

00:41:03.340 hope i'm wrong but part of me just feels like we've been goaded into we've been goaded into

00:41:08.340 allowing the government to impose yet further awful restrictions on the nature of how we can

00:41:13.520 express ourselves freely via speech and then if we can't express ourselves via speech via other

00:41:18.920 methods and it's just appalling and it's inevitable in the same way as tommy so nigel farage who who

00:41:26.360 leads this um ponzi scheme political party the reform party in the united kingdom

00:41:31.080 and he wouldn't have anything to do with tommy robinson tommy robinson was talking about what

00:41:36.800 nigel farage's main policy platform issues are 20 years ago as a teenager with no education from

00:41:43.220 Luton and that and and people need to know in America that these people are this establishment

00:41:50.460 is not the British establishment is not coming to save you Tommy Robinson is the person who

00:41:56.660 actually has the ear of the people in this country and I'm very proud to put my um my support behind

00:42:03.260 him even though it's in Congress because you know he's a working-class lad from Luton and I'm a posh

00:42:07.620 bloke from poshland but it's um it's uh we're in dire dire trouble tommy gets it tommy's been

00:42:17.160 channeling the rage appropriately after henry and now in this i mean you hear him and you know he

00:42:24.580 gets it we actually pulled a sound bite of him leading that protest you said you were at after

00:42:28.860 henry novak was murdered and here's a little bit from that um that protest and this is a week ago

00:42:33.980 It's amazing. This just happened. You know, the trial of Henry. It's been going on. It wrapped up, what, a week, two weeks ago. Here it is, that one.

00:42:42.180 We know, every one of you watching this know, if Henry wasn't white, he wouldn't have been handcuffed. 0.72

00:42:48.740 Some of those that heard someone say this isn't about race, this is about race. 0.77

00:42:53.460 He was murdered because he was white. He was handcuffed. 0.69

00:42:56.900 do you know the murderer he didn't get handcuffed even after they found out he'd stabbed him five 0.97

00:43:02.340 times he still didn't get fucking handcuffed he still wasn't handcuffed he wasn't handcuffed 0.91

00:43:10.560 he wasn't handcuffed in the police car he wasn't handcuffed at the police station 0.98

00:43:14.320 they took him in the police station to choose what bloody meal he wanted exactly that's what 0.70

00:43:19.260 they've done that is the executive treatment given to non-whites the white boy who done nothing was 0.94

00:43:26.380 handcuffed the murderer in position of a knife who stabbed someone five times wasn't even handcuffed 0.66

00:43:31.680 he's there for the entire world to see not one word is untrue everything he said is exactly right

00:43:38.880 and on the heels of that we now see this in northern ireland i don't it's it is a it's a

00:43:43.600 powder keg over there at lawrence i don't know how much more the british people are going to take

00:43:47.760 what's he talking about to me he's talking about fairness literally that's all he's talking about

00:43:54.280 and it makes me emotional, this.

00:43:57.340 It's like he's asking for fairness.

00:44:00.620 That's it.

00:44:01.700 Nothing else.

00:44:02.380 None of the woke racism, none of this.

00:44:04.600 He's asking for fairness.

00:44:06.200 And the response of the establishment and the media

00:44:08.880 is to turn around and call them a racist, far-right extremist.

00:44:11.340 It's like, my goodness,

00:44:13.220 do you know the level of anger that's coming your way?

00:44:15.980 They don't know.

00:44:17.160 They have no understanding, these people,

00:44:19.380 of what is coming their way.

00:44:20.520 They have no understanding.

00:44:21.920 to the point where I have stood and sat and spoken with

00:44:25.600 and been around normal, average families

00:44:28.320 who have come and said, I will die for this.

00:44:31.280 You know, that's where we're at.

00:44:33.120 And the establishment will just sit and go, 0.88

00:44:35.220 well, we'll impose harsher remedies.

00:44:37.920 You know, we had a case in Britain two weeks ago 1.00

00:44:41.060 where three gypsy boys, and they're protected

00:44:43.640 because of their Romany ancestry. 0.99

00:44:46.320 They're protected and they raped, 0.99

00:44:48.320 three of them raped a young child. 0.99

00:44:50.720 and the judge decided that they were too young 0.88

00:44:57.020 to really understand the consequences of what they did,

00:44:59.180 so he spared them a jail sentence, right?

00:45:01.720 But someone who threw a bin, like a trash can,

00:45:06.440 at a police officer is now in jail for 24 months

00:45:08.980 in the United Kingdom.

00:45:10.540 Do the United Kingdom,

00:45:12.780 does the United Kingdom government understand

00:45:15.520 what is going to happen if they continue to do that?

00:45:18.340 They don't understand.

00:45:20.360 They're going to get decimated.

00:45:22.700 And Britain has a cloud history of revolution, actually.

00:45:26.160 Not in the French way, like revolution over an idea,

00:45:29.420 but revolution over something that really, really matters.

00:45:31.860 And I think we're heading there.

00:45:32.800 I really do.

00:45:34.060 I see it as inevitable consequences of the government actions that are being taken.

00:45:39.700 That's what I see.

00:45:40.620 I can't see it any other way.

00:45:42.440 There's one more of Tommy and Elon at a rally in London.

00:45:47.440 And this is last September, right after Charlie was killed.

00:45:50.320 It's hot, too.

00:45:57.640 Okay, congratulations.

00:45:59.680 Congratulations, Tommy, on putting together an amazing event

00:46:03.140 and really rallying the people of Britain.

00:46:05.800 Elon, none of this could have happened

00:46:08.140 without you giving the British public access to the truth

00:46:12.940 and giving us free speech and fighting for our free speech.

00:46:15.780 So on behalf of Great Britain and the British public, we're incredibly grateful, Elon.

00:46:20.360 Elon, you spent an incredible lot of money on X.

00:46:23.640 Why is free speech so important to you?

00:46:26.440 Well, I believe you can't get to the truth of things without freedom of speech, without active debate.

00:46:32.020 And there's so many on the left that want to just crush debate.

00:46:35.880 In fact, this is a government against the people and not for the people.

00:46:40.900 And then you see how much violence there is on the left with our friend Charlie Cook getting murdered in cold blood this week and people on the left celebrating it openly.

00:46:54.420 The left is the party of murder and celebrating murder.

00:47:01.260 Amen. Amen. Amen.

00:47:03.920 Powerful.

00:47:05.060 He's right. He's right.

00:47:07.240 I just I mean, and that's why. But that's why they say Elon is a Nazi. That is fake salute. That's why they say Tommy Robinson is to you can't have him in polite conversation because they'll say these things.

00:47:20.940 I mean, it's why it's why you got fired from GB News. And we talked about that at length when you happen for making what? OK, fine.

00:47:28.540 an off-collar joke about a woman who was dismissing the concerns of suicidal males in the UK.

00:47:35.860 She's allowed to say that. You're not allowed to call her out on it. The guy on the street,

00:47:41.220 he can do the beheading. We're not allowed to show it or condemn it or protest over it. These

00:47:45.700 are the rules of polite society, or you get the far whatever label, or you get bounced out of

00:47:52.320 oxford from having a real debate which i know you have an update on but that's that's what's causing

00:47:58.600 the the anger like we're allowed to be angry over this stuff we're allowed to protest and argue and

00:48:04.640 call out our governments what what is elon saying he's saying again which makes me emotional elon

00:48:11.520 is saying i defend the right to free speech for people i don't agree with he's not defending the

00:48:16.780 right to free speech for people he does agree with because free speech doesn't matter that way

00:48:20.940 In the same way as Tommy is not, you know, people get very upset in England with Tommy for not being racist enough, so they just sit and call him a racist.

00:48:29.240 But these are fundamentals to a, you know, I'd say secular liberal democracy, which is possibly where we're at.

00:48:39.400 But, you know, in the West, we're probably more driven by biblical values.

00:48:44.100 you have to kind of have a

00:48:46.500 benchmark where you can go

00:48:48.920 I defend your right to disagree

00:48:51.080 with me because if I don't defend

00:48:52.980 your right to disagree with me then you're going to attack

00:48:55.100 me it's so simple

00:48:56.820 it's not even complicated so it

00:48:58.800 becomes a kind of luxury belief

00:49:01.040 delusion world that we live in

00:49:03.120 and it's so unhealthy and I

00:49:04.980 have a child I have two children

00:49:06.920 and I have two stepchildren

00:49:08.540 and those kids I tell you

00:49:10.640 you will not meet more radicalised people

00:49:13.000 on earth. These guys, that next generation that's coming through, they don't put up with it anymore.

00:49:19.660 They are done with it to the point where they, you know, the next generation will be a golden

00:49:24.340 one because we need one. Yeah, I agree. I feel so hopeful whenever I talk to young people because

00:49:29.720 they've had it. Can you tell the audience, I told the audience that you and Tommy had been

00:49:36.880 canceled from speaking at oxford there was a palestinian muslim woman who proposed the debate

00:49:43.840 wanted the debate you guys said sure let's have the debate about basically whether islam is

00:49:47.900 consistent with western democracies and so the a muslim woman wanted to have it she believed it

00:49:53.840 it's fine you guys have a different opinion and and oxford shut it down then we told everybody

00:49:59.600 we were going to host it for you over here and i understand oxford has since had a change of heart

00:50:05.520 Lawrence. I just want to do a huge shout out to Awa, who is the president of the Oxford Union,

00:50:13.000 who is a Palestinian Muslim woman. And I admire her so, so much. She wants to have the big debates.

00:50:23.720 And one of the debates that she put forward was, is the West right to be suspicious of Islam? 0.97

00:50:30.020 And I thought, yeah, that's a good debate. 1.00

00:50:33.600 I'll take part in that.

00:50:35.040 And they tried to cancel her. 0.83

00:50:36.880 They tried to destroy her.

00:50:38.300 This is the diversity is our strength person, right?

00:50:41.140 You know, she's a Palestinian Muslim woman. 0.97

00:50:43.340 I disagree with her about a lot, I imagine.

00:50:45.980 But we have this human connection,

00:50:48.560 which is so important with everybody you disagree with,

00:50:51.240 which is to go, I don't care what you think.

00:50:55.100 I care about you and I want you to express it.

00:50:58.440 And she's an incredible, wonderful, wonderful woman.

00:51:02.160 And this debate is apparently taking place.

00:51:04.620 I fully expect them to cancel it next on,

00:51:07.520 I can't even say the date because that's how mad it is.

00:51:12.020 But they announced it.

00:51:14.180 They said it's Tuesday.

00:51:15.140 Oh, right.

00:51:15.520 Okay.

00:51:15.780 It is on Tuesday.

00:51:16.520 So the debate is on Tuesday and we're going to go and I'm going to go

00:51:18.880 and I'm going to go and be charming about Islam and free speech.

00:51:22.140 And that's what I want to do. 1.00

00:51:23.280 I don't want to go. 0.98

00:51:24.180 I don't want to go in and say, I hate Muslims. 0.64

00:51:26.520 I don't.

00:51:27.080 I love Muslims. 1.00

00:51:28.000 I hate Islam and I will always hate Islam 1.00

00:51:31.080 because I understand Islam and I know what it is 0.99

00:51:33.580 and I don't want it in the same way as I hate national socialism 0.97

00:51:36.920 I don't like it, but I don't hate individual Muslims 0.98

00:51:40.480 and it's very difficult for people to understand

00:51:43.760 the difference between that unless they read a Bible

00:51:47.240 Well, I think it's going to be a very powerful exchange

00:51:50.240 I'm looking forward to it

00:51:51.320 If they do cancel on you, we're here, we've got you

00:51:54.180 Lawrence, it's a pleasure, it's so good to see you

00:51:57.240 Thank you so much for standing up for what you believe in.

00:51:59.980 Lawrence Fox, everybody, lots of love to you.

00:52:02.380 Love to you, Megan.

00:52:03.140 Coming up next hour, Mike Salana is here.

00:52:05.540 Looking forward to talking to him.

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00:53:42.520 Mike Solana is coming up, but I want to start with the latest on the fallout from the Carmelo

00:53:50.260 Anthony trial as Austin Metcalf, the victim's father, is speaking out in a new exclusive

00:53:56.420 interview with journalist Sarah Fields, who was a guest on our show yesterday. Not only that,

00:54:02.080 but Carmelo Anthony, the defendant who's been found guilty of Austin's murder

00:54:06.260 and sentenced to 35 years in prison, his parents are speaking out too, playing the victims.

00:54:13.760 It's unbelievable. The bullshit that is coming out of the Carmelo Anthony supporters team 0.99

00:54:21.340 is rank. I honestly can't believe my eyes. They're acting like they're the victims. 1.00

00:54:29.280 They're acting like Carmelo Anthony was stabbed by Austin Metcalfe, who got off.

00:54:35.860 That's exactly how they're acting.

00:54:37.680 That's not what Carmelo Anthony stabbed Austin Metcalfe, taking this 17-year-old's life in an instant over nothing.

00:54:47.080 He went into Austin's track and field tent during a track meet.

00:54:53.840 They told him to leave because he wasn't part of their school.

00:54:56.860 Each school had their own tent, though Anthony, Carmelo Anthony's school apparently didn't have a tent for some reason.

00:55:02.100 But that's not why he was there.

00:55:03.660 It did begin to rain, but he was there intentionally provoking people.

00:55:07.560 He obviously went into that tent looking for a fight because he went armed with a knife that was not a little Swiss Army knife,

00:55:16.500 like Jasmine Crockett and her ridiculous crowd of woke warriors were suggesting in their Zoom call the other day. 0.52

00:55:22.860 and he then dared Austin to lay hands on him to make him leave the tent.

00:55:29.440 Austin did lay hands on him in a way that was not violent in any way, barely moved him at all.

00:55:34.740 And as soon as he touched Carmelo Anthony, Anthony plunged that knife into Austin's heart,

00:55:41.580 killing him. That's what happened. The jury saw autopsy photos that were so gruesome, 0.94

00:55:46.880 they recoiled in horror, their jaws dropped, that showed a two and a half inch gaping wound

00:55:54.440 where his heart was. He stabbed him so severely and deeply, forgive me, but it went through the

00:56:00.620 heart, testified the medical examiner, and punctured the bone behind. Like, he, this wasn't

00:56:08.100 an accident. He didn't accidentally hit the heart instead of something else. He didn't nick him.

00:56:15.720 He plunged that knife deep into Austin's heart, and it is obvious meant to kill him. 1.00

00:56:23.040 No, no one's that much of an idiot walking around that they wouldn't understand that would cause instant death. 1.00

00:56:29.940 And now his family and their supporters are playing the victim and the race card as if there's some doubt in this. 1.00

00:56:41.280 We know he did it.

00:56:43.160 We know he did it.

00:56:44.500 And can I tell you, it's not just like I'm going to show you the soundbite of some lunatic guy who's run for city council out there four times, never getting more than six percent of the vote.

00:56:53.780 His name is Devante Peters. 1.00

00:56:56.440 You're an idiot. 1.00

00:56:58.900 It's also people like Jasmine Crockett, who, I mean, we all have strong feelings about her. 1.00

00:57:03.880 I'm sorry that I keep saying she's representing Houston.

00:57:08.080 She's representing the Dallas area.

00:57:10.180 All my Houstonian fans are like, for the love of God, please stop doing that, MK.

00:57:14.500 I apologize. I don't know why I have such a mental block on it. She's from Houston. That's

00:57:19.280 why she was like born there or when she was young, she was there. In any event, she doesn't represent

00:57:23.960 Houston and she's not going to represent Dallas long either. She's been redistricted out of her

00:57:27.680 seat. She ran for Senate. She failed. And so now she's trying to make it, I guess, as a social 0.97

00:57:32.460 media commentator. I'm not sure what the fuck she's doing. Sorry, forgive me. She is just vile, 0.99

00:57:38.120 but she's not a complete idiot. She went to law school. She went to a very Tony private school 1.00

00:57:44.220 before law school, something much better and nice and more expensive and fancy than probably

00:57:49.920 what you or I went to, for sure what I went to. And then she decided to get all street. You know, 0.90

00:57:55.780 we've walked you through it. The Benny Johnson tape is amazing. But she's not a dope. She was

00:58:01.880 a practicing lawyer. So she's got some legal education too. This woman is out there trying 0.74

00:58:08.240 to pretend, like I said, that it was like a Swiss army knife. If you've seen a Swiss army knife, 1.00

00:58:12.500 It doesn't have a real knife to it.

00:58:13.920 It's like it's almost like a nail clipper.

00:58:15.980 That's not we just put the knife on the board that Carmelo Anthony used.

00:58:19.500 It's a dagger.

00:58:20.980 It's a dag.

00:58:21.700 It would it would you could gut a fish or a human with this in seconds.

00:58:26.620 And that's what Carmelo Anthony did for nothing here.

00:58:31.200 I want to play.

00:58:32.160 I guess I'll kick it off with her, but I got to get to the parents.

00:58:34.460 But I'm since I'm on Jasmine Crockett 25B.

00:58:37.320 Listen to her.

00:58:37.780 If a 300-pound man is beating me, like, on top of me and beating me down, I'm not limited to fist. You know, I would argue that even the only time we go into things like people's hands being considered deadly weapons is typically, like, if they're a professional boxer or that kind of stuff.

00:58:59.440 But I think by the time you start getting to, like, football player, good argument.

00:59:05.620 Good freaking argument.

00:59:07.300 We're not talking about, like, the golfers. 0.97

00:59:09.580 We're talking about football players, right?

00:59:11.840 Like, this is what they are trained to do is to inflict, like, serious physical contact.

00:59:18.500 And it's my understanding that the decedent was.

00:59:21.540 They weren't 300 pounds.

00:59:23.580 Austin wasn't 300 pounds.

00:59:25.640 Devontae was a large man.

00:59:27.300 it wasn't some shrinking violet and he provoked the entire encounter how dare she try to analogize

00:59:33.960 this carmelo sorry davante's i'm going to get to him in a second um carmelo how dare she try to

00:59:40.740 pretend that this is a situation in which a man was beating a woman a huge football player was

00:59:45.120 beating a woman who felt no choice was available but to defend herself with a knife what this is

00:59:50.980 like utter nonsense what she's saying and she's intentionally stoking the fires which don't need 0.67

00:59:56.520 any more stoking, Jasmine. Leave the national stage. We're tired of your two minutes and your 0.56

01:00:04.220 stupid street affect. You don't talk like that. Even here, she was playing it up. She doesn't 1.00

01:00:10.440 talk like this. She's just leaning in because she thinks it's going to give her cred. It's

01:00:15.780 going to give her some sort of cred with some faction who's out there listening. Okay, great.

01:00:21.300 Good luck reinventing yourself. You have no career in front of you. Go back to practicing

01:00:25.380 law, maybe. Seems like they need some lawyers down in your hometown. Here's this guy, Devante

01:00:32.140 Peters, who I mentioned never received over 6% of the vote, but amazingly did get some percentage

01:00:37.800 the four times he ran for city council in Dallas. This is vile. This guy, of course, has a holistic

01:00:44.940 health store that he runs in his spare time because he's all about wellness and like bringing

01:00:50.800 the mind body together? Sure. Sure. Devante. Okay. Uh, I will read it for you as soon as I

01:00:57.700 get it in front of me. This guy is sick. He's basically, it's almost too vile to repeat, but I 0.99

01:01:03.500 will because I teed it up. He is calling for Austin Metcalf to be dug up and he wants

01:01:14.760 him to be stabbed again. That's what this guy actually said. He left the courthouse and posted 0.93

01:01:23.000 on social media, just left, and any white person can get it. I don't give a fuck. Then he goes on 1.00

01:01:31.800 to say, fuck it. Dig Austin Metcalfe up and stab his ass again. Where is your soul? What's wrong 1.00

01:01:43.320 with him. Seriously, and it's not just him. Okay, the parents of Carmelo Anthony go on their own

01:01:51.220 little media tour last night. Was their message, we're so sorry for the Metcalf family. This is a

01:01:59.060 tragedy all around because, of course, we're sad that we've lost our son too, but we know what he

01:02:03.780 did was wrong. You know, he's sorry. No, no, they had a very, very different message. Take a listen

01:02:10.020 here uh they sat down with front page news and mimi brown sat 27 so do you believe your son

01:02:16.260 received a fair trial absolutely absolutely not absolutely not and we're gonna keep fighting

01:02:21.300 and as parents have you all struggled with guilt you know asking yourselves is there anything

01:02:32.700 differently i know kayla you said you wish you had gone to that track meet is there anything that you

01:02:37.040 both wish you could have done differently i wish i would have just being rebellious i was told don't

01:02:42.980 talk to this person don't talk to this person i feel like it was just a setup now so they told us

01:02:49.120 go get white attorneys every black person i went to a white attorney no white attorney they set

01:02:54.060 them off pushed them hey here you go i mean no objections it was things smooth so because i as

01:02:59.560 a father of me being who i am i got to make sure she's straight this mom i got to make sure she's

01:03:04.560 straight mentally because if she's not straight, my house ain't straight. I'm not straight. 0.51

01:03:09.100 The kids are the kids to worry about. Okay. Now, so what he's upset about is that he wasn't more

01:03:15.660 rebellious when friends of his told him to get a white attorney. He's mad. He's mad they didn't

01:03:22.240 play the race card. That's what he's mad about. I said it yesterday. I stand by it. This guy's

01:03:27.560 a race hustler. He's a race hustler. He would not have hired the Dominique Alexander character who's 0.98

01:03:34.500 been pushing the race buttons from the beginning on this case if he weren't. And the mother,

01:03:39.740 we are going to fight for justice for my son. What do you say? Justice was administered against

01:03:46.460 your son as the perpetrator of this crime. Who do you think you're fooling? The outrage of this,

01:03:55.840 they're turning the entire narrative on its head. You're the defendants. Austin is the victim,

01:04:03.260 not the other way around. What the hell is this? This is, can you imagine, imagine for one second

01:04:11.940 if a white teenager, if Austin Metcalf had plunged that knife for no reason into the heart of 0.60

01:04:19.420 Carmelo Anthony and then was found guilty of murder appropriately. Imagine the backlash to

01:04:28.080 white parents coming out there saying, I will fight for justice for my son. We were told that

01:04:34.480 we should get black lawyers and I wish we'd been more rebellious. And then all these white people 0.92

01:04:40.840 coming out and being like, that boy should be dug up and we should stick a knife in him again. 1.00

01:04:46.320 What? Can you imagine the societal backlash to that messaging and the number of papers it would 0.99

01:04:54.940 be in. We'd have deep examinations and how wrong we've gone as a society. What school did he go to?

01:05:00.360 Who taught him this nonsense? Who are the family spokespeople? These are all white supremacists.

01:05:06.360 That's what we'd be hearing. Nothing, nothing is being said about this family. Oh, polite, 0.92

01:05:13.220 you know, politely looking the other way. Let's just ignore, ignore, which is also soft bigotry

01:05:18.240 of low expectations. Oh, they're too like what? Low life. They're too stupid. We have to ignore

01:05:22.760 their blatant racism? Bullshit. Bullshit. They should be held to the same standard as the rest 1.00

01:05:29.280 of us. And what they're saying and doing is vile and disgusting and racist. This is so gross. 0.99

01:05:38.220 This family's had enough to deal with, the Metcalfs. They're the victims. They're the only 1.00

01:05:44.040 victims. You're not victims. You raised a boy who has zero empathy and apparently is a sociopath.

01:05:53.560 You have yourselves to blame for that. Yourselves, not society, not whites, not your friends who 0.98

01:05:59.800 told you to get a white lawyer. They were so without character. They abandoned their son 0.61

01:06:09.500 when the sentencing came down.

01:06:12.900 They were like, guilty, we're out.

01:06:15.780 They didn't stand there in the courtroom.

01:06:18.060 They didn't return to the courtroom

01:06:20.440 when the sentencing came down.

01:06:23.580 The mother took the stand.

01:06:24.960 She said, boo-hoo, please have mercy on my boy.

01:06:29.420 And then they asked the one question,

01:06:30.640 does he regret what he did?

01:06:31.820 Yeah, he regrets.

01:06:32.840 That's it, that's all she was able to come up with.

01:06:34.600 Not even like a story about how he regrets,

01:06:37.140 the number of tears he shed,

01:06:38.360 what he's said about Austin and how bad he feels. Nothing. Nothing. The perfunctory. Yeah. Regrets.

01:06:43.860 Check. And then she was out of there. He had to stand alone for the actual sentencing that came 1.00

01:06:49.840 down. That's who they are as they've been pimping the race thing from the beginning. There's zero 0.61

01:06:55.060 evidence that race played any role in this case, although if it did, it was on Carmelo Anthony's

01:07:00.140 part. Nothing, nothing about Austin Metcalf and their supporters from the beginning have been

01:07:04.500 trying to say that the Metcalfs and that Austin was a white supremacist, nothing, nothing has come

01:07:10.080 out suggesting that. By the way, even if he were, he wasn't, no evidence, but even if he were, it'd

01:07:15.580 be irrelevant. He didn't do anything to Carmelo Anthony. He literally placed hands on him. That

01:07:20.860 was it at Carmelo Anthony's insistence that he do it if he wanted Anthony to leave. And no sooner

01:07:26.920 had he done it than a knife was in his heart and his life was over at age 17. These are the race 1.00

01:07:32.440 hustlers. I'm sick of this bullshit. I'm sorry. There was a time where I was feeling kind of bad 1.00

01:07:36.980 for them. They blew it. Not only that, but they took their $600,000 that they got in the GoFundMe

01:07:42.400 or GiveSendGo. They rented this mansion. They've been living the high life, driving around in the

01:07:47.020 nice car. And now you're mad? Now you're mad at the justice you received? You're mad at the legal

01:07:51.940 services you received? You hired a shitty lawyer. He wasn't good, I admit. White, black could have 1.00

01:07:58.020 been either way. You decided to go with a white guy. He wasn't bad because he's white. He was 0.77

01:08:01.940 bad because he's bad. You could be a great lawyer as a black man. You could be a great 0.99

01:08:06.740 lawyer as a white man and vice versa. Look at Johnny Cochran, one of the best ever.

01:08:11.580 But this is outrageous. Like this behavior is. It's beyond disrespectful. I kind of can't get

01:08:18.420 my arms around like the gaslighting that these people are doing. And then there's poor Jeff

01:08:24.780 Metcalf, the sweet father who has to deal with the loss of his boy for the rest of his life,

01:08:32.120 who looks at his, his boy's twin Hunter. And can you imagine what that's like?

01:08:39.040 The, the living image of your, your dead child walking around your house, but it's not him.

01:08:48.000 It's so close to him, but it's not him. I wonder if it's a comfort or a curse.

01:08:54.780 Oh, and poor Hunter. His brother, he was with in utero in every moment thereafter, and he will never share his wedding, the birth of his children, his professional accomplishments, his graduation from college, even from high school with him.

01:09:15.820 It's just devastating.

01:09:18.740 So Jeff Metcalf sat down with Sarah, who was on the program yesterday, Sarah Fields,

01:09:24.920 who's been very, very, very good covering this case from the beginning.

01:09:28.600 And here's some of what he said.

01:09:31.340 Stop 21.

01:09:32.740 That very first night, our church held an impromptu vigil.

01:09:41.160 Our church holds 1,500 people at Hope Fellowship.

01:09:45.820 It was overflowing.

01:09:49.240 There was over 1,700 people that showed up that night.

01:09:54.620 Very touching.

01:09:56.560 An outpouring from the community, friends, family, even people who didn't know us, showed up in support.

01:10:06.800 And I spoke that night about who Austin was.

01:10:13.380 He was a leader.

01:10:15.820 own and off the field he touched people's hearts in ways others couldn't

01:10:23.780 he was loved by so many and so many loved him okay i just want to give you the juxtaposition

01:10:36.700 that's jeff metcalf father of the victim here's carmelo anthony's grandmother

01:10:45.820 outside the church, sorry, outside the courthouse

01:10:49.380 as she left two days ago, SOC 24.

01:11:15.820 They sent a message.

01:11:16.660 Yeah, that's good.

01:11:17.480 We love y'all.

01:11:18.640 It ain't the end of the road, though.

01:11:20.080 We love y'all.

01:11:21.560 We love y'all.

01:11:22.740 This is .

01:11:25.240 Buy it. 0.98

01:11:26.060 Let's race it.

01:11:27.740 Yeah.

01:11:28.740 We know the truth.

01:11:29.860 We know the truth.

01:11:30.860 We know the truth.

01:11:32.740 We know the truth.

01:11:35.240 We love you.

01:11:36.860 We're racist.

01:11:37.860 Buy it. 1.00

01:11:38.860 You're racist. 0.99

01:11:39.860 Y'all didn't forget my family, too. 0.98

01:11:41.860 Y'all are brought up, too.

01:11:43.360 We did a good job.

01:11:44.720 We've seen everything.

01:11:46.980 Get it.

01:11:48.360 Getting the message.

01:11:50.300 She made it quite clear.

01:11:52.660 And I'm sure it was comments like that over and over, not to mention the nasty jabs that these supporters have had for the Metcalf family. 0.92

01:12:00.760 Like, let's dig up Austin and stab him again. 1.00

01:12:04.620 And by the way, there's also a push now, a change.org petition to charge Hunter with assault, saying it's really important for accountability from these same cretins. 1.00

01:12:18.020 Hunter did nothing. Hunter held his dying brother in his arms. That's what Hunter did. 0.99

01:12:23.040 He was there when he came into this world and he was there when he went out. That's what Hunter's been through.

01:12:27.700 They want to charge him.

01:12:29.020 So I'm sure Jeff Metcalf has had about enough from the Anthony family and their supporters, which leads me to SOT 22.

01:12:36.900 Back to Jeff.

01:12:37.560 So you can live with your lie if you want to.

01:12:43.220 But my truth is forever. 1.00

01:12:48.240 Just like the fact your son is a convict and a killer. 0.99

01:12:53.920 Forever. 0.98

01:12:56.860 forever's a long time

01:13:01.540 what's your master plan mr anthony to use your son as income and soak up as much money

01:13:11.760 playing victim to line your pockets and then abandon him when he's at sentencing

01:13:17.480 our victim impact you just left him up there by himself

01:13:20.960 amazing amazing this poor man he's been given a life sentence too

01:13:32.220 there's nothing nothing that can be said or done a life sentence without parole a death sentence

01:13:39.860 for carmelo anthony would not heal this guy's pain we all know that nothing nothing can be undone

01:13:47.040 for him. All we can do is express our deep, deep sympathy and try to help him. I want to introduce

01:13:55.260 him to my friends, Allison and Tom Barkledge. You guys may remember their son, Blake, died

01:14:01.060 in October of 2021. During COVID, he had taken two doses of the vaccine. We still don't know

01:14:11.040 exactly what caused it, but he died of myocarditis at age 17. And they have become an example to me

01:14:18.180 and to the world in how to handle grief. They've been so wonderful. They found a way to hold each

01:14:24.960 other through it, to hold their friends through it, to find where they could moments of laughter

01:14:29.120 and connection, to remember Blake at every turn. I try to mention him, Blake Barklage,

01:14:33.960 at every turn because that comforts them. Just hearing his name and knowing that people are

01:14:38.840 thinking about him in some way, at some level, comforts them. Tom works at Johnson & Johnson.

01:14:43.840 He worked tirelessly to change the bereavement policy there, which they did. It used to be you 0.82

01:14:48.720 only get like a couple of days. You lose a son. You lose a child. You can't go back to work after

01:14:54.680 two days, you know? And Johnson & Johnson did it. They were great. And now they're working actually

01:14:59.480 with Congress to pass a bill that would allow bereavement leave that's extended for parents

01:15:05.700 who lose a child. My point is simply, I know it's a trite saying, but they did turn their pain into

01:15:11.980 purpose. And they have a blueprint of sorts on how a grieving set of parents can get through

01:15:18.140 the worst possible thing. They also lost their son at age 17, and they're okay. They'll never be

01:15:25.700 whole again. But they're okay. They're doing all right. Their daughter, Alexis, as well,

01:15:33.960 is thriving. So I just, I have such prayers for the Metcalf family and the Carmelo Anthony family.

01:15:40.860 I just, I'm so disappointed in them. I'm horrified by their behavior. Um, I'm going to give you a few

01:15:47.960 more from them. They went on with this breakfast club interviewer and here's them taking issue

01:15:54.280 with the narrative of Austin dying in his twin brother's arms. Cause that's, that seems like

01:16:00.100 something we should be debating right listen the other family they go paint this lie there's nobody

01:16:06.860 still exposed that he died in his brother arms and it was all that's not true because that is a

01:16:13.340 narrative no no you never heard it no more that that was a lie you heard about a bag you never

01:16:19.440 heard about a bag since trial i guess i was telling people a lie is temporary but the truth

01:16:25.620 last forever it's just now it's like harder now i gotta fight to get the truth out okay there was

01:16:32.280 testimony that austin did hold hunter for sorry reverse that hunter held austin screaming i can't

01:16:38.380 do this but i guess that's uncomfortable i don't know we need to reject that it's important to go

01:16:44.340 re revise the pain that the twin brother was in is it is it better if he didn't i mean great okay

01:16:49.940 let's say he wasn't holding him is it better is it is what carmelo did less bad

01:16:55.720 Because I'm not feeling that.

01:16:57.900 You're not like in any way lowering my sympathy for the Metcalf family or for his twin brother, Hunter.

01:17:04.460 What are you doing?

01:17:06.480 What are you doing, Mimi?

01:17:09.260 The anchor doing this.

01:17:10.420 Why don't you ask a question like, would it matter?

01:17:15.900 Are you disputing that Hunter was in incredible pain?

01:17:21.640 What's your message to Hunter?

01:17:22.960 Do you want to apologize to him right here and now?

01:17:27.000 Where's that question?

01:17:29.720 Here's.

01:17:32.000 OK, here's the parents on why Carmelo didn't take the stand.

01:17:37.500 And did Carmelo want to testify in his own on his own behalf and was.

01:17:43.800 It was based on everything.

01:17:45.960 It didn't need nothing because everything they said on his self-defense, they have to prove it.

01:17:50.400 They never proved.

01:17:52.220 OK.

01:17:52.960 So that was never that was because I know there was this pause and a lot of people thought that, you know, we were going to come back and he was going to take the stand and he didn't.

01:18:01.880 So that was never an option that had never been discussed of him taking the stand.

01:18:06.540 That's why we just need a new it. We need we need somebody who's going to fight.

01:18:11.620 That's what I'm going to say right now. We just need somebody going to fight.

01:18:16.160 okay so he's saying that the prosecution didn't make its case and that's why he that's a lie

01:18:22.960 that's a lie a first-year law student knew that the prosecution had made its case

01:18:27.760 and by the way then the judge said explicitly they've made a case because you move for a

01:18:32.700 directed verdict arguing that they hadn't made their case and the judge said no they've put up

01:18:37.220 enough that you know it should go to the jury and you had the opportunity right then and there to

01:18:41.160 say do we the reason they didn't put him on the stand is because i guarantee you he was not a

01:18:45.380 sympathetic witness. He would not have made a good witness, very clearly. Look what the mother

01:18:49.900 was able to muster. Yeah, regret. Check. Bye. What do you think? You think Carmelo would have

01:18:54.840 been way better, and so instead they let her be the face of it? No. If Carmelo could have mustered

01:19:00.080 one tear for anyone other than himself, when did he cry? When he was found guilty. Oh,

01:19:06.840 that's the first we saw any emotion out of him. He wouldn't look the Metcalf family in the eye.

01:19:13.400 he wasn't man enough. That's why he pulled a knife and stabbed Austin Metcalf, because only

01:19:19.700 someone who had to prove how tough he was would ever even consider such a thing as an option. 1.00

01:19:27.700 He's such a small, pathetic little man. That's the truth about Carmelo Anthony. That's why he 0.99

01:19:34.560 did what he did. He appears to have been raised by a couple of race hustlers, and therefore he

01:19:40.120 looked for insult at every turn and almost certainly understood the please leave our tent

01:19:47.200 directive as some sort of racist looking down upon you message, as opposed to you're on an

01:19:54.060 opposing team for today's purposes. We're in battle. That's how every athlete looks at these

01:19:59.880 things. What are you saying? Even in tennis, my kids are in tennis, which is, you know, it's not

01:20:05.260 like hand-to-hand combat the way football or some of these other sports are, you don't really

01:20:11.200 fraternize with the opponent during the breaks. After? Yes, totally. But like during, while it's

01:20:18.520 going on, you're quote enemies. Not the kind that Carmelo Anthony thought they were, where you

01:20:26.840 actually kill the other person, but enemies in that don't hang in my tent. For the next four

01:20:32.980 ours, our only mission is to beat you, not to befriend you, not to hang out with you,

01:20:39.640 and not to mention you talk strategy when you're on the sidelines with the team,

01:20:42.800 and you definitely don't want a competitor in the penthouse with you. Why didn't Carmelo Anthony

01:20:47.280 know any of that? Any athlete or someone like me who's not an athlete know that. We would all know

01:20:52.780 that because he'd been raised by two grievancy race hustlers. Why else would they hire Dominique 0.78

01:20:58.880 Alexander as the spokesperson. And why else would they be arguing the way they are with

01:21:03.340 the grandmother? Racist, racist, biased. That's you created this situation. You created what 0.99

01:21:11.960 happened to your son and what happened to Austin Metcalf. Shame on you. All I want to hear from 0.53

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01:22:41.880 ain't no fucking judicial justice for black people how many motherfucking decades and decades have to 1.00

01:22:51.960 go by where you don't receive that your justice is fucking frontier justice they kill one of y'all 1.00

01:22:58.760 you kill one of them our toughest soldiers 1.00

01:23:04.280 ain't gonna do shit i'm talking to you 1.00

01:23:13.160 you ain't gonna do shit but kill up on your own 0.99

01:23:21.960 I don't know. What does that mean? You kill one of ours, we kill. One of ours was killed. What is that? The narrative is being completely turned on its head. A white man was killed by a black man here. That doesn't make it the fault of all black people. It certainly doesn't make it the fault of all white people. What is this? 0.99

01:23:45.660 welcome back to the megan kelly show uh we're going to bring in mike solana he's the founder

01:23:50.880 of media company pirate wires as well as the chief marketing officer of the venture capital firm

01:23:55.980 founders fund and we have found him to have a lot of wisdom on a lot of subjects

01:24:00.260 mike welcome back great to see you great seeing you thanks for having me this is kind of crazy

01:24:03.840 oh man it's right this is kind of crazy it's so nuts i was obviously i was listening to your

01:24:08.340 segment um i think maybe one of the most striking things about this to me is we're actually we're

01:24:14.400 not even inside of a, one of these crazy moments of racial tension. Like this is, this is actually,

01:24:21.420 we're not in the middle of BLM. You know, we're not, this is, this is, I mean, so much about this

01:24:25.460 reaction reminds me of the OJ stuff. We have these famous pictures of, of mixed race college

01:24:32.440 dorms. There's this one in particular where you see all of the white people watching this clearly 0.75

01:24:37.380 guilty person get off in horror and all of the black people cheering. There was a lot going on

01:24:43.480 in the country at that time.

01:24:44.620 I don't, it's totally inexcusable and important,

01:24:46.740 honestly, horrifying to watch.

01:24:48.080 But like, it was still like,

01:24:49.340 you could almost understand

01:24:50.620 that things were really tense at that time.

01:24:52.300 And this is the reaction or something.

01:24:54.200 This is not even that.

01:24:55.380 And it's just, the whole thing is a reminder to me

01:24:57.140 that there is this really frightening racial hatred

01:25:01.620 sort of bubbling under the surface even now.

01:25:04.120 And I'm just gonna say it.

01:25:05.180 I think the thing that a lot of people are dancing around

01:25:08.060 is like, I think there's a racism problem

01:25:11.540 among Black Americans in particular. 0.99

01:25:13.680 It seems disproportionate. 1.00

01:25:15.660 Some of them.

01:25:16.340 It seems disproportionate.

01:25:17.280 Right, of course, not at all.

01:25:18.200 I'm saying by the numbers.

01:25:19.340 You see polling, there's polling data on this

01:25:21.280 where you talk about, you know,

01:25:23.060 how do you feel about this or that race?

01:25:25.040 And Black Americans have disproportionately

01:25:28.760 higher degrees of racism against other groups 0.96

01:25:30.920 and especially white people.

01:25:32.660 And I think we want to not talk about that,

01:25:34.620 but it does come up in moments like this.

01:25:36.640 This whole thing feels super racially charged.

01:25:38.700 You can't look at the reaction to this

01:25:40.140 and think anything other than, like, this obviously, hopefully, minority of black people, 0.96

01:25:45.000 but sizable minority of black people, believe that a white person being killed doesn't matter. 0.51

01:25:50.420 It just doesn't matter. 0.98

01:25:52.520 It's so crazy to me.

01:25:53.740 I mean, honestly, like, we have dear black friends.

01:25:56.020 They're Christian. 1.00

01:25:56.960 They're God-fearing. 1.00

01:25:58.060 They would look at this case exactly as you and I do. 0.98

01:26:01.580 They're not represented by these lunatics, but there's a fair amount of these lunatics 0.96

01:26:05.320 running around in Texas, obviously, and online. 0.98

01:26:09.920 We've seen so many postings.

01:26:11.100 Look at the harassment

01:26:12.620 that the Carmelo Anthony supporters unleashed

01:26:16.680 on the Metcalf family as they left the courthouse.

01:26:22.780 You're gonna hear this yelling, everybody.

01:26:25.400 By the way, that first thought we just played

01:26:26.740 from that man was from End Wokeness Online.

01:26:29.320 This one's from TikTok Chief Mollo,

01:26:32.880 who captured this moment here and sought 26.

01:26:35.320 They're yelling at Austen's family here.

01:26:48.600 I want you guys to know that I am six foot even. My phone is at my head and the guy in the back is

01:26:58.200 his brother. Carmelo Anthony was was five feet nine, five feet eight, something like that.

01:27:07.980 So you had two of those people standing over him.

01:27:12.700 It's unbelievable. You knew he was a bully. They're yelling. We're glad Austin's dead. 0.89

01:27:18.640 That's what she said right at the beginning. And for the listening audience, they get right in front

01:27:22.240 of their car. They follow them, including including Hunter to the car and get right in front and

01:27:26.860 physical intimidation again like here too you know that someone was murdered you know that it was a

01:27:32.380 kid who was murdered to justify that you have to dehumanize them in some way and that's what i think

01:27:36.780 a lot of people are doing here um i do say so the internet kind of gives and it takes i think a lot

01:27:41.860 of this was probably amplified via you know disinformation um among a lot of these kind of

01:27:46.820 race hustling people they've activated a lot of people who now believe kind of inaccurate things

01:27:51.240 about the case and they really do think for example austin was a white supremacist and he

01:27:55.740 attacked Carmelo and all of this kind of stuff. Um, on the other side of that, I will say, you

01:28:00.600 know, I was just saying, I think we have quite a bit of a, of a race problem on our hands. Uh, 0.87

01:28:04.620 it's kind of always bubbling under the surface. I did see last night, I was kind of doom scrolling

01:28:07.580 on this. Um, and for whatever reason, the algorithm, maybe it knew I was in a bad place

01:28:12.800 and they started sending me, uh, lots of black influencers who were like, this is crazy and you 0.96

01:28:19.860 people are crazy and you are making this, you know, really bad. And so there was a good amount 0.93

01:28:24.140 of that as well. I just, though, I just keep coming back to you. The next time we, and it is

01:28:31.380 inevitable. I mean, you look at what's happening in Europe. We have a long history of this in this

01:28:34.680 country. There's going to be a moment where racial tension flares again. And this kind of thing will

01:28:41.320 be much worse. It'll be much more pervasive. You know, if this had happened in the BLM era,

01:28:44.820 it would be, you know, Carmel might've gotten off. Like, that's the thing. I have a question

01:28:49.240 for you about the juries though. How do you, when you get people like this, if you get someone like

01:28:55.100 this on the jury, um, like how could this have played out? And then how do you maintain any

01:29:01.260 kind of fair legal system in a world where people feel this way? No, you got, I mean, the number one

01:29:06.820 thing you got to figure out as a prosecutor is how, is there a respect for authority by this

01:29:12.200 potential juror? And there are questions that can get to whether they respect authority slash the

01:29:17.040 law slash police officers, you know, and, and any of those can be a stand in for, could you believe

01:29:25.160 the prosecution's case? Because if you're totally anti-authority, you're not going to vote to

01:29:30.760 convict. You're going to sound like these people where you're, you're motivated by something else

01:29:34.820 like ideology or skin color. We saw a little bit of this in the, cause I've seen jurors from the

01:29:38.660 OJ case, kind of sort of admit that they knew this guy killed this woman, two people, and they

01:29:49.420 didn't care. I just, if I am worried about, yes, I think this reaction is a minority reaction. I

01:29:55.040 think it's a large minority. I am, I'm worried if it grows, like I kind of, especially in a world

01:30:01.100 of like mass migration, if people start identifying tribalistically rather than, you know, identifying

01:30:06.100 with classic American principles

01:30:07.480 like fairness in a trial,

01:30:09.500 I don't know how we maintain this.

01:30:11.580 I don't know how we maintain

01:30:12.400 fair trials in the future.

01:30:13.660 That's the thing that really

01:30:14.420 worries me about this case

01:30:15.200 is like I see the future through it.

01:30:18.340 And it comes on the heels

01:30:20.400 of us watching Henry Novak

01:30:22.820 be stabbed multiple times

01:30:26.020 by a brown man who's Sikh,

01:30:28.660 who claimed he was the victim,

01:30:30.080 which was a lie,

01:30:31.020 and a police force

01:30:32.020 automatically trusts

01:30:34.080 the brown guy, 0.99

01:30:35.880 with the knives instead of the white guy dying at their feet and now we have this beheading which 0.99

01:30:41.300 is also you know you've got a black man from sudan is an immigrant trying to behead a disabled white 0.97

01:30:49.320 guy from northern ireland and the immediate reaction from all the politicians is stop showing

01:30:54.540 the video and stop talking about it stop stop just stop so it's just there's been a series of events

01:31:00.280 where i think people are like what we're being gaslit yeah and it and we're also seeing a true

01:31:06.660 like again it feels like uh it feels time for candace owens and um what who is it uh what's his

01:31:16.300 name the one who was married to kim kardashian why am i not oh kanye kanye thank you yes kanye

01:31:26.340 and candace owens to bust out their white lives matter t-shirts again or sweatshirts thank god

01:31:31.140 though it's not quite as bad as europe really feels like it's just this bizarre world version

01:31:35.640 of america where things are just slightly worse it's like the vibe shift went in the opposite

01:31:39.560 direction and i i think i mean when i see what's happening in england and what's happening in

01:31:44.740 ireland with this report like uh sort of uh uh you have policing i guess here it was always

01:31:49.740 implicitly different it's like oh there's a there's a two-tier justice but it's not actually

01:31:53.600 official. It's not actually systemic over there. It seems much more systemic and certainly the

01:31:59.300 speech laws are much worse. Um, and maybe they're just this constant warning, you know, it's like

01:32:03.840 that is, it can get worse. It can be as bad as what we're looking at over there. If we're not

01:32:08.620 careful. Good point. Yes. Very good point. Oh, wait, standby one second. Well, my team's

01:32:15.720 telling me that, uh, Oh, Carmelo's parents went on CBS this morning and that's apparently what

01:32:22.560 happened do we have a sound bite that we're playing okay i guess we'll just play it we'll

01:32:27.080 watch it together i don't know what's in it mike but we'll find out all right take us inside that

01:32:31.280 courtroom what stuck out to you what stuck out to me number one was the all-white joke but i was

01:32:38.020 trying to be you know like it's not that big of a deal i mean the truth is on our side what did

01:32:43.800 you tell the jury to have mercy on my son what do you say to his grieving family it's unfortunate

01:32:51.380 to where nobody wins we've all been hurt by this everybody oh my god outrageous it's unfortunate

01:33:02.400 and we've all been hurt by this it's like it's like absolutely outrageous it's sociopathic

01:33:06.900 behavior they don't see this person as a person is the thing they do not they see him they see

01:33:11.440 the the boy who was murdered by their son as an obstacle to what they want rather than a victim

01:33:17.940 It is. Yeah, it's really outrageous. And the lie that it was an all white jury.

01:33:24.640 There were no blacks on the jury, but it was not an all white jury. There were Hispanics.

01:33:28.120 There were Asians. There were multiple minorities. This is Texas. There are a lot of minorities in

01:33:32.420 Texas. And the jury reflected that. That's also a lie. There were plenty of minorities on that

01:33:38.640 jury. Shame on him. Unbelievable. The lies. All right. Speaking of lies, they're telling us Spencer 1.00

01:33:45.640 pratt lost fair and square oh man i mean i have so much more to say about this i know it's sad

01:33:51.340 like the other one is obviously this tragic issue but i mean i could go off on la for for days so

01:33:55.880 where do you want to start no i do i do want to hear it but first i want to start with this um

01:34:00.160 this is um video was posted on the x account wall street apes uh who showed a skid row woman

01:34:11.440 claiming she was paid 0.98

01:34:13.320 to vote for Karen Bass

01:34:15.120 by a bunch of activists. 1.00

01:34:16.680 Stop 32.

01:34:17.980 Did you vote?

01:34:18.720 Yeah.

01:34:19.600 Oh, you did for Karen Bass?

01:34:20.860 Yeah.

01:34:21.680 Karen Bass.

01:34:23.260 Is that what I'm saying?

01:34:24.820 Karen Bass, yeah.

01:34:25.880 Or Nithya Rahman? 1.00

01:34:27.560 Karen. 0.70

01:34:28.380 Karen?

01:34:28.700 They told you to vote for Karen?

01:34:30.080 Yeah.

01:34:30.820 They had to sign the little thing.

01:34:33.420 And how much did they pay you?

01:34:35.540 It was like two bucks.

01:34:36.640 Two bucks?

01:34:37.580 They had to sign off on a thing

01:34:38.960 to vote for her?

01:34:39.920 Yeah.

01:34:40.180 so they do this for everybody out here yeah they come out here all the time

01:34:43.920 okay so it's starting to explain where the magical votes were found in the mail-in vote mike i mean

01:34:51.720 i have this is i don't think that a democracy is healthier um if you happen to have a really 0.57

01:34:59.460 really high turnout among meth addicted hobos who live under the bridge like like this ground

01:35:04.960 floor. I don't think that makes for a better system. Uh, I do also, I would, I would love to

01:35:09.820 be comparing though the, the turnout of meth addictive hobos who live under the bridge in LA

01:35:15.540 versus other cities, because it seems from what I'm looking at by the numbers, like very, very,

01:35:20.420 very high. Um, you have hundreds of ballots coming in, uh, going into homeless shelters with no beds,

01:35:26.820 uh, all, all turning up. You have, uh, the post was reporting something like 7,500 associated,

01:35:32.060 like homeless, homeless ballots being turned in. I don't, or to these sort of centers, right?

01:35:39.400 That's how you kind of get at the question of, are these people homeless? If their address is

01:35:43.200 a homeless shelter, then probably they're homeless. Or that is what, that is what, you know,

01:35:47.760 we're thinking here. This is just all obviously a recipe for fraud. I mean, I don't, I live in

01:35:56.080 San Francisco. There are lots of drug addicted homeless people here. If you've ever had a

01:36:00.360 conversation with one. These are not people who are like, oh, I better turn in my mail-in ballot.

01:36:04.340 It's election season. I really find Nithya Rahman's housing policy compelling. Can't wait to vote.

01:36:11.520 That's just not fucking happening. And the fact that we're expected to believe it's happening 0.98

01:36:15.800 is absolutely maddening. And so now what you have in the New York Times, just this morning,

01:36:20.060 you had this thing on like, what did we learn from the Pratt loss or whatever? And it opens up

01:36:25.400 with this really frustrating thing that I've seen. Matt Iglesias began it on the center left.

01:36:30.360 This is their position. Their position is, man, all of these dumb Pratt voters on Twitter really, truly believed that Pratt was going to win as a Republican in like a 90% Democrat city. And they're just going off about this sort of lie that people were delusional and believe Spencer was going to win outright. 0.74

01:36:48.840 And they're doing this to make a cartoon character out of his supporters to obfuscate the real issues, which are like mail-in ballots are out of control, registering homeless people to vote, and then ballot harvesting drug-addicted homeless people to push someone like Nithya over the edge is outrageous. 0.83

01:37:07.080 I mean, 7,500 is just the number that we know. 0.93

01:37:09.200 She only won by like 30,000 votes, I think she's up at this point.

01:37:12.720 Like, that's the one piece of reporting that we have on this.

01:37:15.380 Like, we have no idea what is going on in that city other than it seems like more people voted in this election than the last, and there are less people in L.A. than the last election.

01:37:24.340 There's just nothing but smoke here, and we're not going to talk about it because this is America, and in America, when a far-left person wins, we just pretend everything is fine.

01:37:34.180 And it's extremely frustrating.

01:37:36.900 Yes, exactly right. 0.83

01:37:37.940 That's I mean, this is giving me the vibes of what happened between Kristen Welker and Trump, where he was like, it stinks. 0.97

01:37:43.580 You know, it's it's crooked. 0.94

01:37:45.080 And she just that's how they count the votes in California.

01:37:48.460 There's zero interest in the so-called mainstream media to actually investigate whether this actually does smell and might be fraudulent.

01:37:58.000 I mean, it's like someone said online, you know, we don't know that it's fraudulent.

01:38:03.300 You know, I haven't seen I have myself have not seen hard evidence of fraud.

01:38:06.780 It seems like a lot of crazy things are just the law in California and in Los Angeles.

01:38:13.360 And so what we certainly know is that it's rigged.

01:38:16.380 Like, I think the word rigged makes a little more sense.

01:38:19.200 Like, it is stacked against anyone who is not in bed with the hard left in Los Angeles.

01:38:24.900 But I do think it's—I used the word cheating the other day, because—and I think that's different from fraud, too.

01:38:30.240 But I do think it's cheating.

01:38:31.540 If the law is set up to say you can mark your ballot with an X or a slash, they are thinking about an elderly person who suffered a stroke.

01:38:42.700 That's what they are not thinking about Skid Row junkies who get corralled by Democrat groups who then are the witnesses who can sign to say, I attest that, you know, Skid Row's Mike Solana was truly the one who marked that X.

01:38:58.380 Right. 0.99

01:38:58.720 Like, that's bullshit. 1.00

01:38:59.560 I didn't know ballot harvesting was a real thing until this election. 1.00

01:39:03.060 I genuinely believed it was a right-wing conspiracy.

01:39:05.560 I thought it was like a thing that Fox News talking heads talked about just to like, you know, throw smoke out there.

01:39:11.040 There was no way in my mind I thought that this was a real thing that existed in Los Angeles.

01:39:15.420 And that is now, I mean, we are seconds away from it being defended as like sacrosanct.

01:39:20.740 If we got rid of ballot harvesting, if we couldn't have a democratic operative rounding up 7,500 drug-addicted homeless people to vote for Nithya Raman, we would not have democracy.

01:39:30.900 It would have died in darkness at that point.

01:39:33.140 And it's just like, I don't know.

01:39:34.440 I'm at the point now.

01:39:35.520 It's like if that is what we're talking about with democracy, like I am – well, I'm not in favor of that system.

01:39:44.640 Whatever that system is, that's not what I want.

01:39:47.460 You're so right, though.

01:39:48.480 we are a couple of minutes away from that because it's, it's always like, no, it's not happening.

01:39:51.680 And then it's like, oh, it's happening, but it's old, but it's old news. Everybody already knew

01:39:55.400 that. And then it's, it's old news and it's good for you. You don't think meth addicts have a,

01:40:00.020 have a right to democracy, Megan, that hobo living under the bridge. You don't think that 1.00

01:40:04.040 you don't, you don't want to hear what they have to say about, you know, giving more homeless

01:40:07.380 people under the bridge money. Why not? You must be, you're such a terrible person, Megan. Like,

01:40:11.620 of course, that's what's going to happen. Elitist, ableist snob. Yes. Yes. Okay, great.

01:40:15.680 You don't think they can't control it, Megan, they have a disease. You have to listen to what they think about police brutality. Like maybe, but also here's a practical question. If they're living under a bridge, like what is their address? I know people in Los Angeles who are in Los Angeles, but they're just a little too far south or a little too far north. They couldn't, they could not vote in this election. Where, where does this person live? Like, I don't understand how, I don't understand that piece of the puzzle.

01:40:41.980 Like there are practical questions. There are moral questions. We're not going to get answers to any of those questions, though.

01:40:48.720 Yeah. And I read one report that said, even if you're going to go with, OK, every single homeless person at this shelter went through this ruse of the slashy mark witnessed by some Democrat operative who then clearly filled in the name Nithya Raman.

01:41:03.440 even if we're going to go with that is like that's that's how it was done and technically

01:41:07.320 it's within the letter of the law there i read a report i can't remember the paper but it was a

01:41:12.360 credible paper it was either the the the times or um the journal i'm trying to remember anyway

01:41:17.680 they reported that their their the numbers were too big for the homeless shelter like they didn't

01:41:21.620 have this number of homeless at these particular shelters so there's reason to believe even the

01:41:26.500 fraud, cheating, whatever, as set up, is being exploited wrongly.

01:41:32.360 They didn't have the beds. And of course, we know that someone-

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01:43:38.780 the petitioner brenda brown hands cash money to the homeless person not only for signing the

01:43:46.480 california ballot initiative but also as payment for them to register to vote now because you

01:43:52.100 have a register i need to register you so i can get paid too okay you guys i need to get paid

01:43:57.200 that is a federal felony and it didn't just happen once it happened over and over and over again we

01:44:06.700 We personally witnessed and covertly filmed this happening at least 28 times over the

01:44:12.360 span of our investigation, and that is just in Los Angeles.

01:44:16.420 Many of the homeless have zero understanding of what it is that they're actually signing.

01:44:21.760 Amazing.

01:44:22.580 That's James O'Keefe, the intrepid, getting firsthand evidence of what happens in California

01:44:28.200 in order to make those votes magically go Democrat.

01:44:31.680 Welcome back to the MK Show.

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01:44:40.700 Mike, that's the thing, is like the dismissiveness of the Kirsten Welkers of the world and all of the media.

01:44:50.300 And so now we're stuck with the results.

01:44:53.220 How is she not even talking?

01:44:54.220 Go ahead.

01:44:54.760 Sorry.

01:44:55.760 No, I was just going to say he's not going to move on.

01:44:57.380 There's nothing we can do about it.

01:44:58.580 There's not going to be a court challenge in time that's going to change any of this.

01:45:02.680 and it leads to disillusionment.

01:45:04.780 It leads to, you know, people feeling disaffected.

01:45:07.540 Yeah, not to this, he's done.

01:45:09.860 Pratt's, I was really to Pratt for what it's worth.

01:45:14.320 The moment, so the fires happened,

01:45:16.200 Pratt came out of the gate.

01:45:17.300 I was like, but before he was even running,

01:45:19.460 I said, this man's a journalist.

01:45:21.480 This is, a star is born.

01:45:22.960 I followed his career before the fires.

01:45:25.420 I thought he was a smart guy before all that.

01:45:27.540 I followed him during the Hummingbird Crystal Saga

01:45:29.540 and I followed him during the fire aftermath.

01:45:32.680 he is talented. I think that he kind of rose to the occasion and he'll probably run. I think he's

01:45:39.040 going to run again and that will be a different campaign. Perhaps if we can get the election

01:45:43.220 stuff under control in the state of California, you know, the world of mail-in ballots is so new.

01:45:48.520 That's the thing that we also aren't thinking about, like this mass mail-in ballot

01:45:51.780 moment. New and awful. It's just, it took them. And I think it took, I think it took the activists

01:45:58.040 a minute to learn how to game the system. And we are now in the gaming the system moment.

01:46:02.680 And, uh, if we don't do something about it, it's just going to get a lot worse. There are a lot of

01:46:06.600 really important ballots, props coming up in California, uh, during this next general, general

01:46:11.620 election. Um, this kind of stuff, this kind of behavior could be really bad. It's important.

01:46:16.420 That clip that you showed is really important. I think that I'm pretty sure that woman, uh,

01:46:19.800 it is being, um, I think she is, is she not being, she's being investigated by the federal

01:46:24.740 government. Like that's not going to just nothing. It's not like nothing's going to come of that.

01:46:28.460 at least. I think that law will be followed. I'm concerned about all of the stuff that's

01:46:33.500 technically legal that should not be legal, and these really crazy negative outliers that we're

01:46:39.560 seeing for the first time, because the system is new. It's new and it's awful. On the subject of

01:46:46.380 Spencer Pratt, all right, so he hasn't conceded exactly. I guess technically we have until July

01:46:52.180 that these votes are going to be counted. It's kind of crazy, but we know he lost, and however

01:46:56.640 he lost. He lost. A lot of L.A. residents were excited by Spencer Pratt. A lot of the people

01:47:03.020 on the Palisades were very excited to see somebody who felt their pain caused by Karen Bass and her

01:47:10.500 lieutenants. They didn't light the fires, but they might as well have. They were excited by him.

01:47:17.280 Does Jimmy Kimmel, who's a California resident, tap into that at all or at least stay away from

01:47:21.800 it just out of respect? I'll do that sometimes. Sometimes I'll be very fired up on an issue.

01:47:26.640 And just, like, out of respect for people, I just won't go there because it's like, I don't, whatever.

01:47:31.060 I don't always feel the need to rub people's noses in a political loss or what have you.

01:47:36.140 Well, let's check in. 0.81

01:47:37.520 Stop 39.

01:47:38.840 So now we wait to hear from Spencer Pratt.

01:47:41.400 You know, he clearly promised that if Karen Bass or Nithya Rahman were elected mayor, he's going to move out of L.A.

01:47:47.800 He said he was done with L.A.

01:47:49.520 And Spencer, if you're watching, we are so, so sorry to see you go.

01:47:53.160 But we do know

01:47:56.140 We're going to miss the hell out of you

01:47:59.000 You're a man of your word

01:48:00.740 And you've got to go

01:48:02.380 You said you were going to go

01:48:03.460 And I know things might be tight right now

01:48:05.700 Especially out of state donation money is running out

01:48:08.760 Moving is expensive

01:48:10.000 So to help you out

01:48:12.000 We rented you a U-Haul

01:48:14.080 This is

01:48:15.060 It has plenty of room

01:48:17.240 It's got two beds, tables, chairs

01:48:20.560 All your crystals

01:48:21.540 and everyone our staff spent the whole day decorating for you so and everybody that will

01:48:28.580 notice you and wave goodbye as you leave and i hope that you and heidi are happy wherever it is

01:48:33.560 you go honestly like like what did he do that's so abhorrent he really wasn't even incendiary the

01:48:39.740 way trump is i mean he was honest he was straight straight talker but i just i genuinely don't think

01:48:44.880 that's warranted he was succeeding that's what he did that was so so abhorrent anyone who is

01:48:49.340 successful at getting a message out that is contrary to the state message is going to be

01:48:54.140 punished by the state sock puppet, sock puppets, such as Jimmy Kimmel. That's his whole job is to

01:49:00.440 get up there and terrify people into holding the party line. And it's just like the Democratic

01:49:05.440 party line has become increasingly untethered to reality. And so it looks like extra shocking to

01:49:13.380 see someone up there making fun of someone who lost literally everything that he owned and that

01:49:18.240 his mother owned in a fire, like, yeah, that seems, that seems shocking to us because we're

01:49:23.280 still, you know, relatively based in reality. And he's just not, he's not, and he can't. His job is

01:49:28.560 to defend the crazy things. And meanwhile, like Jimmy Kimmel is sitting fat and pretty in some,

01:49:36.140 I'm sure, Brentwood or Beverly Hills or Bel Air mansion, undoubtedly with coastline views and

01:49:43.860 multiple other homes. And it's like, who are you? You're going to mock the fact that money's tight

01:49:50.660 now that the donations are drying up and he has no home to go home to? Like, that's sick.

01:49:56.280 There's like, again, like the lack of any sort of consideration for somebody who probably is

01:50:01.340 hurting right now and who really just wanted to help people. Like, he didn't have to throw his

01:50:06.340 hat into the political ring. Right. I saw some people, I mean, a lot of another popular thing

01:50:10.800 that I'm seeing on the center left is this idea that, well, Republicans need to learn from this.

01:50:15.080 They're running these crazy social media people who don't know anything for mayor. There was

01:50:20.000 nobody else running for mayor in Los Angeles. Spencer had the nomination, or not the nomination,

01:50:24.340 there was no nomination. Spencer was running and succeeding as the Republican because there were

01:50:29.060 no other people stepping up. And that's a problem that we have across the country.

01:50:33.060 Wait, can I just say something? If that's how they feel, why do I have to look at Jack Schlossberg

01:50:39.700 for two minutes. He's done nothing, nothing. That's Caroline Kennedy's son. That's all he's

01:50:46.260 done. He went to Harvard. He went to Yale. And literally all he accomplished after that was like

01:50:51.560 a couple week stint for I think it was Vanity Fair writing about the Democratic National

01:50:57.060 Convention. That's it. He did another two weeks for John Kerry at the State Department, which was

01:51:04.140 obviously disastrous because it did not lead to a full time job. And now he's running for office

01:51:08.140 in new york if you really feel that like social media game isn't enough why did nancy pelosi

01:51:14.380 endorse that loser well right i mean the other funny thing about it is we don't have to even

01:51:18.240 go outside of la the other people in spencer's race didn't have much experience what was karen 0.99

01:51:23.140 bass's experience she was a community organizer before she got into politics and then she burned

01:51:27.500 the city down is that okay i mean she's experienced i'll give you that at something

01:51:31.180 it was just doing something terrible like she was experienced at massive damage the worst fire in

01:51:36.660 the history of the city. And Nithya Rahman moved there in, what, 2015? I think she married some

01:51:40.740 rich Hollywood guy, and she's on city council. That's okay. That's a nothing position that has

01:51:48.820 nothing to do with actually being the executive of a city. She doesn't have the experience either.

01:51:52.220 None of these people do. The experience thing is only thrown at people who you don't agree with,

01:51:55.220 with what they're saying. What was Spencer doing? He was getting up there and saying,

01:51:58.860 this woman in charge who represents the machine Democrats is the reason all of our houses burned 0.90

01:52:05.700 down and we can't rebuild them, one. Number two, these are the people who are responsible for the

01:52:10.940 homeless drug addicts in front of the school where you were trying to take your kids. This is wrong.

01:52:16.140 Those are the things that they don't want people to face because they're real things that really

01:52:20.120 resonate with voters. And to face them is to face, in a one-party state, the failure of the

01:52:26.480 Democrats. They can't do that. They'll do anything to not face that.

01:52:30.120 Mm-hmm. Jack Schlossberg wrote for Vogue, even worse, for a couple of months. And that's it.

01:52:38.080 That's all he's accomplished. And for that, you get endorsed by Nancy Pelosi because

01:52:41.840 you're the son of a Kennedy, and that's enough for them. I do want to round back to something

01:52:47.300 we said during our Carmelo Anthony discussion. Again, they were gaslighting us. I knew there

01:52:55.200 there was testimony that Hunter held his dying twin brother, Austin, in his arms as, as Hunter,

01:53:02.820 as Austin was dying. And I got that from their father who testified to it during the penalty

01:53:08.200 phase of the trial. He got up there and said that that was the case. And there was another witness.

01:53:14.340 There was a witness named Joshua Redman. This is during the course of the actual trial,

01:53:19.420 who's an army veteran and current defensive coordinator at Liberty high school who testified

01:53:24.040 that he had to physically move Hunter off of Austin, whom he was holding, so that he could

01:53:31.700 treat Austin's wound. And he described Hunter as having been freaking out when it was happening,

01:53:39.040 of course. How dare they get up there? I mean, like, what is the point? And how dare that so-called

01:53:43.960 journalist, I don't know what she considers herself, fail in not following up on that matter 0.99

01:53:50.140 and actually just pinning them down.

01:53:52.240 A, it is true.

01:53:53.100 There was testimony to the fact.

01:53:54.660 And B, who cares?

01:53:55.800 What point are you trying to make?

01:53:56.940 Okay, back to this other news that we're discussing.

01:54:01.520 I want to ask you about this.

01:54:02.660 I find this very interesting.

01:54:03.580 I'm very worried about AI.

01:54:04.980 I'm worried about AI for sure.

01:54:07.380 And I went on Sean Ryan two weeks ago

01:54:11.220 and I said to him, if we're doing this,

01:54:14.740 if we're really going like balls to the walls

01:54:16.420 with all this AI and the hundreds of billions of dollars

01:54:21.000 that are being invested in all these tech companies now

01:54:22.880 to develop it and develop it fast and before China,

01:54:25.660 the American public should have a piece of it.

01:54:28.320 They should have a piece of it.

01:54:29.320 Their kids are not gonna have jobs.

01:54:31.540 A lot of the adults are gonna have

01:54:32.860 their livelihoods wiped out.

01:54:35.400 Why shouldn't they participate

01:54:37.080 as opposed to just making Sam Altman a trillionaire

01:54:39.640 and all the others like him?

01:54:42.100 And I've been thinking about this for a while.

01:54:43.200 I'm not a socialist,

01:54:44.020 but like when it comes to this particular thing,

01:54:45.460 is going to wipe out some huge share of jobs in America. Yeah, I'm I'm I am in favor of doing

01:54:52.260 something. Enter Bernie Sanders. I like starting to believe in a lot of what Bernie's. Am I? I

01:54:58.500 don't I just this one thing, actually. But listen to what he's saying. Stop 38. The foundation of

01:55:04.260 AI is our collective human intelligence, our books, songs, artwork, journalism, computer code,

01:55:12.860 scientific research, videos, conversations, images, and ideas spanning generations.

01:55:20.440 As Sam Altman himself acknowledged,

01:55:23.080 AI models were trained on our, quote,

01:55:26.140 collective experience, knowledge, and learnings of humanity, end quote.

01:55:31.860 The reality is that big tech oligarchs have fed this knowledge into their AI models

01:55:39.020 without permission, acknowledgement, or compensation.

01:55:44.480 In other words, the creative work of millions and hundreds of millions of people

01:55:49.860 has been stolen by the wealthiest people in the world.

01:55:55.340 The time has come to reclaim what was stolen from us.

01:56:02.060 What do you make of it?

01:56:03.520 I hate to disagree with you.

01:56:05.400 Love to be on the same side.

01:56:06.720 No, go for it. 0.98

01:56:07.480 I think Bernie is a genuinely evil person. 0.70

01:56:11.460 I think this is the face of communism. 0.73

01:56:13.420 I think it's really dangerous.

01:56:15.040 I want to lay out, though, first of all, where I see y'all coming from.

01:56:20.340 If what has been said about AI is accurate, and we're looking at the obliteration of all human jobs,

01:56:27.420 and then it's like a giant question mark about how that's supposed to work out for us,

01:56:31.460 of course people are going to be upset.

01:56:33.080 And of course that's a problem.

01:56:35.280 That completely resonates with me.

01:56:37.220 I think the messaging around AI is really bad.

01:56:39.100 I think the reason it's bad is complex,

01:56:42.260 but maybe just the big two reasons are,

01:56:44.000 one, genuinely no one knows what's going to happen

01:56:46.800 any time there's an authentic paradigm shift,

01:56:49.500 technological paradigm shift happening.

01:56:50.960 It's just really confusing to be able to predict

01:56:53.140 what it means to have artificial intelligence in the world.

01:56:56.840 But then, two, I think the big model labs

01:56:58.580 are incentivized to be like,

01:57:00.160 this is the most powerful thing in the world.

01:57:02.800 I think it's really good, or really powerful.

01:57:04.960 I think a lot of things are going to change.

01:57:06.220 I think it's not yet clear what that looks like. I think a lot has been made of the job loss in

01:57:10.460 tech that's not actually accurate. I see a lot of evidence that those numbers are kind of

01:57:16.600 hyperinflated. I think when it comes to, let's say this is as powerful, it's more decisive,

01:57:25.980 more important than the development of the atom bomb or something, which is another thing that

01:57:30.320 these people, a lot of the people working on this stuff have said. I maybe would understand the idea

01:57:35.260 of like, okay, well, let's get the government involved somehow. Let's get the public involved

01:57:38.480 somehow. At that point, what I would want is for the government to purchase the stake,

01:57:44.120 not just seize it. Like, this is Joseph Stalin going after a miracle invention that has been 0.65

01:57:49.640 invented by people. My husband's got a book out on this right now. Honestly, I wasn't even thinking

01:57:54.840 of it, but my husband just wrote a book called The Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel, who is the guy who

01:57:59.520 created the Russian oil fortune, which was his, his family's company until a man named Joseph

01:58:06.140 Stalin came along and decided that needed to end and it needed to belong to the federal government.

01:58:11.560 My idea on Sean Ryan was we should use it to pay down the national debt. Whatever huge portion of

01:58:16.580 it we're going to take, it wouldn't be like a check to people at home. It would be something

01:58:21.360 to pay down that 30 trillion plus. So of course, this is the reason that it's being used by people

01:58:25.360 like Bernie Sanders at this point. It's like, this is the same reason we're talking about a

01:58:28.780 wealth tax in California. It's always, how do we demonize these random nerds with a lot of money

01:58:34.200 in any way that we can that's going to take blame off of the government for fucking us in a million 0.98

01:58:38.740 different ways? We start with the national debt. We could talk about the cost of housing. It's like, 0.97

01:58:43.020 why isn't Bernie Sanders talking about mass migration? We know that it's like, why does

01:58:47.700 the law of supply and demand always matter in any other case other than millions of people moving to

01:58:53.640 a country that can't build housing? When are we going to address that? It's like, we're not going

01:58:58.000 to do that they they need they need a scapegoat to talk about now that's unfortunate i think that

01:59:02.880 the model labs themselves are talking about you know how do we get the public involved i think

01:59:07.280 they've talked about i think i think they might even want nationalization themselves i think all

01:59:12.260 of these things are potentially in the future but in a world where we it's like a question mark and

01:59:16.740 we don't yet know how everything is going to shape out with the technology itself um there is no way

01:59:22.560 there's no reason at all to have language so incredible as like, you stole this from us and

01:59:28.200 we are going to hurt you now because of it. We're going to take it. Nothing has justified that.

01:59:34.300 And what I want is to just ask Bernie Sanders, what has he done? How has he made the world

01:59:39.520 better? When you take the money, let's just say that you take it. Let's get communism. Fine.

01:59:43.520 Here's all the money. What are you going to do to help me? Because I've had tax increases my entire

01:59:47.980 life. Everyone in my family has. I come from a super middle-class to even lower middle-class,

01:59:53.980 I would say, when I was very, very young. Family. No one in my family has ever been benefited from

01:59:58.380 a tax increase. We've never gotten any of the good shit. It's like only the tax increases. 0.99

02:00:02.820 I've never seen anything. Anytime they want to raise money to help us, it's never actually

02:00:07.380 helped. So how is this theft going to help? That's the wealth tax in California, the same

02:00:13.080 exact question. It's like, how is this actually going to fix anything for the average person?

02:00:18.420 And I think that their answer is like, it's not. And the real reason Bernie Sanders is going after

02:00:24.340 these companies and the real reason the people in California or the unions in California are

02:00:28.780 going after billionaires is because they see tech people as a counterpoint to machine left power.

02:00:38.000 It is completely a game of power. They see a threat to their power. Elon Musk bought Twitter

02:00:41.840 and people lost their minds. They said, holy shit, if you have enough money in this country, 0.99

02:00:47.220 the machine can't have a monopoly anymore. Now it is worth being like, well, who are these tech 0.97

02:00:53.520 elite and what do they believe? And are they going to make the world better? Maybe not.

02:00:56.780 But the Democrats, I don't think like Bernie are even looking at it that way. The way they're

02:01:00.720 looking at it is just like, this is a threat to my power. They don't care about you. They don't

02:01:05.260 care about your children. They care about power. And so you might be aligned on the question of 0.99

02:01:10.220 like, AI makes me nervous. And I think you would be right to be. It's a new thing. We should all

02:01:13.680 be nervous a little bit. I think there's reason to be hopeful as well. I mean, there are all

02:01:19.180 potential, you know, manner of opportunities. Curing pancreatic cancer. In drug discovery

02:01:25.460 and medicine. How can you not get in a self-driving car in San Francisco and not be like,

02:01:30.240 holy shit, I'm in a, this is like the Jetsons, right? Like there are things that are coming 0.91

02:01:35.380 totally cool uh but there are also like every technology um everything's a trade-off and yes

02:01:40.320 there are unlimited dangers there that we should discuss but people like bernie should should just

02:01:44.600 like absolutely be run out of politics they're i think they're really a cancer and a scary cancer

02:01:49.100 and you want people on your side who can resist these these guys i know in california it's like

02:01:54.620 once the billionaire tech people are gone there's no one standing up against the hard left anymore

02:02:00.160 They're the last ones. They're the reason we have a modicum of reason right now in San Francisco,

02:02:06.180 the modicum. Our mayor is a more moderate guy now, and things are a little bit better. It has

02:02:10.740 nothing to do with anyone other than those guys that Bernie wants to eliminate. And I think that

02:02:14.220 that's actually what's happening here and what this conversation is really about.

02:02:18.460 I take your point. I do see a distinction between the billionaire attacks in California and what

02:02:24.920 are we going to do about these tech oligarchs who are going to be trillionaires while they take away 0.76

02:02:28.720 our kids' jobs. That seems really unfair and wrong and morally, morally evil. But we'll get

02:02:36.900 there when we get there. We got to start thinking about it. I will say the other thing in the tech

02:02:41.300 company's defense, you gave those two points. I think number three is they are not natural

02:02:46.640 spokespeople. We've seen that. Love Elon, but I wouldn't compare him to Reagan when it comes to

02:02:53.320 the great communicator. Mark Zuckerberg admittedly is the same. He always mentions it when he

02:02:58.400 testifies at these trials about how inept he is at communicating sam altman total disaster so like

02:03:04.620 i'd be much more worried if it was like the american conference of trial lawyers who's

02:03:09.200 building this thing because they could get out there and actually spin us they could sell they

02:03:14.720 could argue they could literally you know logical reasoning on us uh as long as the day is long

02:03:20.880 but these guys they're not that great at it mike you're a better spokesperson well thank you i mean

02:03:26.540 i i think you're right there are disasters at this stuff this is like i mean the very first

02:03:32.180 thing is why would you be messaging these dystopian scenarios at all and it's because a lot of these

02:03:36.820 are just nerdy people who read a lot of science fiction they think this is possible it is i mean

02:03:40.960 of course everything is possible um but i mean yeah the messaging has been a complete disaster

02:03:45.400 uh and it's being capitalized i mean democrats want to talk about job loss now you want to talk

02:03:49.560 about kids not having jobs what is mass migration doing are you joking what like in the world we

02:03:55.060 could start just with tech and we could talk about the h1b fiasco like there is nothing but evidence

02:04:01.380 that the democrats don't care about americans having jobs like nothing and then now they want

02:04:06.580 what they they they want they want they're gonna say they care about jobs but but also we need

02:04:11.740 mass migration it's like of course they don't care about these things um i think it's possible

02:04:16.520 i think it's such a hard thing to talk about because again um you're building something

02:04:21.780 genuinely new. I think that always comes with opportunity, tremendous opportunity that is

02:04:26.240 difficult to see. Whereas we're humans and we're wired to identify danger. And that's good. That

02:04:31.440 keeps us alive. But it can also mean sometimes that we're at risk of destroying something

02:04:35.840 that could really be beneficial. Now, I think it's good to be vigilant. I'm glad that you are. And I'm

02:04:39.840 glad that Ryan is and all of these people are. I mean, again, people in tech are as well. It's like

02:04:44.900 a huge topic of conversation, maybe the defining topic of conversation in tech right now. But I

02:04:51.280 think you don't ever want to take the side of someone who would only want to destroy something

02:04:57.240 to destroy it, not to help anyone else. Yeah. And who has a pattern of trying to destroy

02:05:03.580 just successful Americans, just out of, I don't know, bitterness, envy, greed, or more communist

02:05:08.860 type philosophy. A pleasure to see you again, Mike. It's just made me miss you all the more.

02:05:14.260 Please come back again. Thank you for having me. Mike Solana, everybody check out Pirate

02:05:17.800 Wires, you will be glad you did. We are back tomorrow. We'll see you then.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - June 11, 2026

UK's Righteous Anger, Karmelo Anthony's Parents' Lies, and Cheating in LA Mayor Race, with Laurence Fox and Mike Solana ｜ Ep. 1337

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