The Megyn Kelly Show - Unanswered Questions, Savannah's ＂Today＂ Return - Part 4 of Megyn Kelly Investigates Nancy Guthrie's Disappearance ｜ Ep. 1278

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00:01:00.840 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.520 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:15.680 Today we dive into part four of our series on the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie.

00:01:20.160 We've stayed on top of this case to bring you the latest information,

00:01:23.080 and we will get into the role that independent media have played in uncovering key details

00:01:28.620 about Nancy and the investigation thus far.

00:01:31.360 Another disturbing discovery uncovered in our investigation

00:01:34.020 is how much information about Nancy Guthrie

00:01:36.120 is publicly available.

00:01:38.600 It is easy, easy to find exactly where she lived,

00:01:42.100 where she liked to eat in Tucson,

00:01:43.840 and what her bedroom looks like

00:01:45.260 thanks to a Today Show segment we found in 2013 from 2013.

00:01:49.860 Well, we took a deep dive into the trove of information

00:01:53.180 that the Today Show has shared about Nancy

00:01:56.520 and her personal life and information over the years.

00:01:59.980 Watch this.

00:02:01.860 We're welcoming Savannah Guthrie to her new role as co-anchor of today.

00:02:06.100 We could not be more pleased or proud.

00:02:08.460 Back when Savannah officially joined Matt Lauer as a co-host, which was 2012,

00:02:14.760 Nancy was part of the big welcome, dishing the family stories. 0.75

00:02:18.360 If she got tired, she'd just sit down right in the middle of the grocery store aisle.

00:02:21.900 Then she'd threaten us and she'd say, I'll cry.

00:02:25.220 She had a loud mouth. 1.00

00:02:26.520 That woman looks familiar. 1.00

00:02:27.720 She sure does. 0.52

00:02:28.320 Who is this woman? 1.00

00:02:29.640 Savannah's mom.

00:02:31.320 Yes, my mom.

00:02:32.780 She's like, are you talking about me?

00:02:34.280 And her sister.

00:02:35.380 And Debbie. 0.99

00:02:36.200 And you can see she's shy just like you are.

00:02:38.720 Anyone paying close attention would have known a lot about Nancy Guthrie. 0.99

00:02:44.060 Mom, are you there?

00:02:45.260 Hi.

00:02:45.740 Hi, everybody.

00:02:46.560 Hi, Nancy.

00:02:47.140 Hi, Nancy.

00:02:48.240 Should there be a kid's table?

00:02:49.500 On screen, maps often showed off where she lived.

00:02:53.720 Happy Thanksgiving, Mrs. Guthrie.

00:02:55.440 Thank you.

00:02:56.440 Savannah will miss you.

00:02:57.440 Thank you.

00:02:58.440 Bye-bye.

00:02:59.440 My mom's birthday today.

00:03:00.440 Happy birthday, mom.

00:03:01.440 Can I just indulge and say happy birthday to my mom?

00:03:04.440 Savannah rarely missed a birthday.

00:03:06.440 I love your mom.

00:03:07.440 Me too.

00:03:08.440 She's the best people.

00:03:09.440 I'm celebrating a birthday out there in Tucson.

00:03:11.440 She's in Tucson, Arizona.

00:03:13.440 And gosh, it's been a long time since I've gotten to hug my mom.

00:03:17.440 She was like the 12th member of the cast for a while.

00:03:20.440 We can't wait to get her back. 0.82

00:03:21.440 Happy birthday, mom.

00:03:22.440 Happy birthday.

00:03:23.440 mom's 80th birthday. You knew Nancy's maiden name. Nancy Ellen Long, 1942 in Fort Wright,

00:03:30.820 Kentucky. You knew where she was born. Personal information was everywhere.

00:03:35.740 My mom is up early in Tucson, Arizona. Nancy Guthrie joins us now. Hi, Mom. Good morning.

00:03:42.700 Hi, Savannah. You may have heard me talk about my idyllic childhood growing up in Arizona,

00:03:48.300 and it was but it wasn't where it all began mother and daughter went back to Australia in 2015 I

00:03:54.720 didn't think we'd ever come back no I never thought I'd see Australia again touring the hospital

00:04:01.220 where Savannah was born I mean no detail of this relationship was left uncovered it has been great

00:04:07.600 to do this journey with you it's incredibly sad and it's incredibly awful to think that something

00:04:12.940 as sweet as a segment with her mom could possibly have played a role in the mom's targeting. 0.99

00:04:19.400 Tucson is more than its breathtaking landscape. I mean, it is disturbing to think that it was

00:04:23.980 just November that she broadcast that her mother does live in Tucson. And I haven't checked,

00:04:29.120 but I bet it's fairly easy to find the mom's address. She lives alone. She's elderly. 0.98

00:04:36.280 Just the air, the quality of life. The segment did not feature Nancy's home or disclose details

00:04:40.740 about where she lived but after this week's events people around here at NBC this is a quote

00:04:45.180 are going to think twice before putting their family on television at all man that's a dark 0.67

00:04:50.520 thought putting out where your mother lives um that is a different angle that we need to look at

00:04:55.400 I'm sure she wasn't thinking that way I'm sure sure you think that way about your children

00:04:59.620 right but this is yet another another one of those firsts but the best thing about Tucson

00:05:04.660 is coming home. Yes. I'm like kind of stunned by what we have here. Savannah's book, which was

00:05:13.660 released in February of 2024, discussed a game she used to play as a kid with her cousin.

00:05:22.180 And it was a kidnapping game involving Nancy. About once a year in the summertime,

00:05:29.280 cousin Terry orchestrated a kidnapping of my sister and me. Terry would make a pit stop and

00:05:34.160 let Annie and me call home at a pay phone. Mom, Cousin Terry kidnapped us to take us to her house. 0.94

00:05:41.100 My mother would feign shock, protest how terribly she would miss us, and assure us she'd drive up

00:05:46.680 to retrieve us in a few days. If the sheriff's never heard this before, this would be something

00:05:51.680 that I would definitely look into. But anybody who's read that book as well, as you both have

00:05:57.860 talked about stalkers, people latch on to things in weird, weird ways. You just never know what's

00:06:02.900 going to set a lunatic down the lane he or she goes sweet baby jesus can we just rid this world 0.98

00:06:10.840 of all the lunatics there really is a chance that some nutcase obsessed with her realizing 0.98

00:06:19.760 they couldn't get to her chad because you know of course savannah's got the proper security 0.96

00:06:25.160 precautions in her life she's got young children decided to go after her mom i would dive into her 1.00

00:06:31.140 social media? Who's been liking, you know, is there a repeated person that's liking a bunch

00:06:35.080 of photos? Is there a bunch of people flooding her, you know, DMs? You're right. And that's

00:06:41.080 the sick times that we live in. The last shout out was just four days before Nancy went missing.

00:06:47.460 There she is with my daughter, Vale. We love you, mom. Happy birthday.

00:06:54.720 It's dark, truly chilling when you see it all together. Another question that is still out

00:06:59.900 there is what's next for Savannah. We saw her return to the Today Show set last week with hugs

00:07:06.660 and sort of greetings with everybody. She's not yet back on the air as of this week, but she's

00:07:12.360 coming soon. And there are reports that they're trying to figure out exactly how to ease her back

00:07:17.840 on set in a way that's not too awkward for her or the audience. There's a lot to discuss. We

00:07:23.020 actually have a pal of mine who is also an NBC alum. She was at NBC for a long time, and her name

00:07:30.440 is Ashley Banfield. She's now host of Drop Dead Serious with Ashley Banfield, an independent

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00:08:28.340 Go to donewithdebt.com. That's donewithdebt.com. Ashley, great to see you again. It is chilling

00:08:35.460 now, like with the benefit of hindsight, to see how much was disclosed about Nancy.

00:08:40.560 Yeah, but you know something? I don't think there's a person among us who works in TV that hasn't done a segment like that or a few segments like that. And seeing it all mashed up together certainly does give you pause. And I just have this sinking feeling that's probably the last time you're going to see those kinds of segments because there's going to be such a chill.

00:09:03.580 Mm-hmm. I mean, having been at the Today Show for a year and a half, I can say I also put my

00:09:11.580 mom in the air. She would come down to the set at the Today Show, and we had a funny segment called 0.82

00:09:17.740 Ask Linda because my mom is very funny. And she would answer viewer mails. We weren't disclosing

00:09:24.260 a ton of her personal identifying information. But I have to be honest, you didn't even think

00:09:31.440 about it. Like, when it comes to, like, going upward in the line, you're not even thinking

00:09:35.720 that there's a danger until Nancy. Like, you're always thinking downward in the line about your

00:09:40.180 children, you know, your immediate sort of family. But, like, this is a new way of torturing somebody,

00:09:46.200 this hurting of the moms. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm still of the conviction this is not somebody who

00:09:52.440 is obsessed with Savannah. Because, Megan, you and I have been on TV a long time, and there are all

00:09:58.240 sorts of communications that come our way, many of them from jails. You know, we have a lot of

00:10:02.500 letters from jail. And typically, the fascination starts with us, and then might actually move out

00:10:09.900 in the concentric circles. But it doesn't just start with a member of the family. It doesn't.

00:10:16.060 I think that this is something that's going to end up being far more simple than we all

00:10:20.980 imagined. We're all imagining all kinds of different scenarios. But it nevertheless does

00:10:27.860 give us pause about our families and what we put on the air about our families. I've done multiple

00:10:33.480 segments about my mom over the years. You know, we're proud of our parents. We want to show them

00:10:37.980 off. We want to show them, you know, if you're wondering what made this, there you go. It's over

00:10:42.680 there. Yeah. Yeah. I know. My mom is hilarious. And it's like the thought of never having shared

00:10:48.640 her with anybody just seems so wrong because people need to know her. But it is a good sort

00:10:53.220 of reminder, maybe edit around the edges. They don't need another maiden name. They don't need

00:10:58.100 to have it highlighted over and over what town they live in, especially because you have to

00:11:03.280 worry about, did you put the same layers around your mom that you did around yourself? And

00:11:08.480 especially now, now that this idea has been introduced, it's even more disturbing. So

00:11:12.740 I don't know. I feel for her because these are risks that didn't look like risks at the time

00:11:18.780 she took them. And now in retrospect, this is one of the many things she's got to worry about

00:11:22.700 or think about.

00:11:23.440 You know, as you were playing that montage,

00:11:26.320 I kept wondering about just the utter guilt

00:11:29.260 that Savannah might feel and shouldn't.

00:11:32.820 She's no different than anyone else

00:11:34.580 in the media landscape

00:11:36.020 that has been proud of their parents

00:11:37.500 and photographed their parents

00:11:38.660 and put them on social media.

00:11:41.220 We share our families.

00:11:42.880 We share ourselves.

00:11:43.940 We're people.

00:11:45.040 We're not automatrons, you know?

00:11:46.880 And so I just hope that she doesn't feel

00:11:49.400 a sense of guilt

00:11:50.580 for having done these beautiful segments about a wonderful mother.

00:11:55.820 And quite frankly, God, I hope they do get a solution to this story at some point.

00:12:00.000 And it has nothing to do with Savannah's fame, because until that time happens,

00:12:05.460 I think this will be something that just gnaws at her.

00:12:09.120 And it shouldn't. It just shouldn't.

00:12:11.280 Well, one upside of having done all those segments is more people feel like they know Nancy

00:12:17.780 and are interested in the case and are keeping an eye out for Nancy and are following coverage of

00:12:22.940 the case. You know, it's, it's not just because Savannah is well-known. It's also like, we've

00:12:26.420 seen a fair amount of footage of this sweet lady and you know, you, she seems like a doll. I mean, 0.96

00:12:31.460 honestly, she seems so, so kind and that makes people feel a little bit more invested, which is

00:12:35.900 on the plus side. Now on the side of, it wasn't a stalker of Savannah's or somebody who is obsessed

00:12:42.100 with Savannah, who took Nancy, you have the Sheriff Nanos statement this week that, I

00:12:49.460 know, that he thinks he knows what the motivation is and that he's only grown more certain since

00:12:57.000 day one on what the motivation is.

00:12:58.900 And, oh, by the way, the community is in danger.

00:13:02.640 I'm like, wait.

00:13:03.700 Yeah.

00:13:04.220 Wait.

00:13:04.820 We're in week six.

00:13:05.300 So if the community is in danger, it's not somebody who's a stalker of Savannah in his

00:13:08.620 mind.

00:13:09.580 Here's the quote.

00:13:10.400 we believe we know why he was here. We believe we know why he was here. And we have known since

00:13:17.280 day one. Well, then why did you raid two random people's homes? And why did you tell everyone on

00:13:26.460 day two, there's no cause for alarm? Those are my words. But effectively, the message in the

00:13:30.740 news conference on February 2nd was, there's nothing to be worried about. There's no danger

00:13:35.440 to the community. Well, if this week you're telling us, lock your doors, and yes, he could

00:13:42.000 strike again, then what the hell was that message on day two? Exactly right. And he was saying,

00:13:49.260 just in case you're thinking, this won't happen to me. This was just something that happened to

00:13:53.660 the Guthries. Think again. I mean, he really underscored it. Like, you know, it reminded me

00:13:58.300 the line in, what was it? Ghost, right? You in danger, girl, right? From Whoopi Goldberg. That's

00:14:05.080 basically what he's saying to the entire community, you in danger, girl. Like, what? Wait, here is

00:14:09.900 part of what he said the other day. Do you think that this suspect could strike again,

00:14:14.320 whoever did this? Well, absolutely. We believe we know why he did this. And we believe

00:14:20.360 that it was targeted, but we can't, we're not 100% sure of that. And so it'd be silly to tell

00:14:28.580 people, yeah, don't worry about it. You're not his target. Don't think for a minute that

00:14:33.540 because it happened to the Guthrie family, you're safe.

00:14:38.200 No, keep your wits about you.

00:14:42.040 Like, I'm sorry, targeted, but you're all in a lot of danger.

00:14:47.400 Yeah, so, and it goes on to say,

00:14:50.260 and we've known since day one,

00:14:51.620 which was what really got in my craw,

00:14:54.440 because I know what was going on on day two and day three.

00:14:58.860 And their focus was entirely different.

00:15:01.040 I want to hear what you have to say,

00:15:02.600 but I'm going to play I'm going to play that piece of the soundbite and then you take it.

00:15:05.060 Here we go. There is something that's come out in the investigation that gives you a sense of

00:15:09.760 motive here and why this person did this. You know, I think it's come out from the from day

00:15:14.280 one. I think from day one, we had some strong beliefs about what happened and those beliefs

00:15:19.180 haven't diminished. Do you believe it was a burglary gone wrong? I'm not going to get into

00:15:23.820 those theories. We have our beliefs. Everybody else has theirs. Nano says he's intentionally

00:15:29.140 withholding their theory and other details in the case, citing the integrity of the investigation.

00:15:34.500 Go ahead, Ashley. Well, I just, you know, I had to pick my jaw up off the floor when I saw the

00:15:41.060 day one comment. We believe we've known since day one, because on day two and three, I was talking

00:15:48.720 to an extraordinary source inside that group of folks that was working on that investigation.

00:15:55.240 and they entirely had their focus towards the brother-in-law, whether it's right or wrong. 0.88

00:16:01.000 By the way, I have taken so much shit online for people saying it's my theory, not my theory. 0.79

00:16:05.600 I actually have a different idea of what I think happened and it is not that. 0.96

00:16:08.880 What I'm reporting on is what I heard their theory was, what they were doing on day one and two and

00:16:15.940 three. And it was not what Sheriff Nanos just said. They did all sorts of things on day one,

00:16:21.440 two, and three that indicated they thought it was someone within the Guthrie family.

00:16:26.160 They towed a car under warrant, for God's sake, and they shut down the search for Nancy, 0.92

00:16:31.000 and they closed up shop at the crime scene, and then they told the whole neighborhood,

00:16:35.520 you're all safe.

00:16:36.060 There's nothing to worry about here.

00:16:37.400 And then they went over to Nancy's house.

00:16:40.600 So this guy, to tell us that he's known since day one, that there's some terrible boogeyman

00:16:45.700 out there, but on day one, he's treating Tommaso like the boogeyman.

00:16:49.920 And that is what the police were doing, not what Ashley was doing.

00:16:53.960 I had a source telling me where that investigation was, and that is where it was.

00:16:58.980 So this guy, you know, it's sad because I'm a huge supporter of law enforcement, have been for a long time.

00:17:04.780 I even host On Patrol Live when Dan Abrams is off.

00:17:08.120 You know, I've always been a big supporter of law enforcement.

00:17:10.380 But when a guy like this takes the helm, he does a disservice to all the good men and women in blue who are honest and who have integrity

00:17:17.820 and then operate investigations with the investigation in mind, not with themselves in mind.

00:17:23.420 Well, when you say that you have a different theory, what's your different theory?

00:17:27.600 Well, it's just sort of simple. I think so often in mystery, we tend to go to all sorts of lengths

00:17:35.180 to imagine what happened. And generally speaking, the answers are pretty simple. I think this was

00:17:41.560 just probably a sick individual who had sick intentions against a vulnerable person. And it

00:17:51.020 happens. And I know it's really hard to talk about it because this is, of course, a public figure's

00:17:56.660 mom. So we sort of feel like you said in the segment, we all feel like we kind of know her

00:17:59.560 now because we've all seen the segments. But the truth is, sick people do sick things to vulnerable

00:18:05.620 adults and children. And I think that Nancy might have been targeted by someone like that. I

00:18:11.460 looked at that kit and it looked much like what Matt Murphy talks about a lot of times, homicide

00:18:17.420 prosecutor from California. It's just not that complicated. And I hate to say that. I just think

00:18:23.900 why would someone take the victim? Sometimes things go sideways and then perpetrators act

00:18:30.760 in real time and do whatever is the first thing in their minds. And sometimes it's, I've got to

00:18:34.720 get rid of this person. I've got to get rid of this body. Matt's been saying from day one that

00:18:39.880 we should not rule out that this was a rape case and that that's what the motivation of that man

00:18:45.860 was going on. And he's talked about how he's prosecuted a lot of these geriatric rape cases,

00:18:53.200 which most of us didn't even know was a thing, but it is a thing. And it's something we have

00:18:58.540 to reconcile with because it's a possibility here. And apparently in the vast majority of

00:19:03.920 these cases, Ashley, the perpetrator would be a younger man. It's not like a 60-year-old man

00:19:09.280 who does this. It's somebody in their 20s or 30s, which would match up, we think, with what we saw

00:19:15.560 on that porch. 92% of geriatric rapists are in their 20s. And you're right, Megan, it's not

00:19:23.300 something we think about. It's not something we imagine is possible. I mean, if you ever have

00:19:28.100 these discussions, and quite frankly, in the true crime community, we talk about these things all

00:19:32.380 the time. This case has been different. There's been a lot of favoritism and sensitivity to

00:19:38.200 reporting on this case. I mean, on day five, when the sheriff said they towed Annie's car,

00:19:42.480 nobody reported it. I just still can't understand why there has been this sort of hands-off approach

00:19:47.960 to covering the story. And so with this particular topic, I do get it. It's uncomfortable. God forbid,

00:19:54.700 I hope I'm wrong. I really do. But in every other true crime story, when there's a mystery like this,

00:20:00.860 we do talk about these things and we do go over all the possible scenarios. Because I also think

00:20:05.900 it helps people in the public to start looking at people they know differently. I mean, we're all

00:20:11.140 imagining this sort of hefty, pudgy burglar. But maybe if you thought about this potential

00:20:20.300 scenario, you might look at someone differently if you're thinking about a tip. You might know

00:20:24.940 of somebody who acts in a weird way towards older women in that area who disappears at night, etc.

00:20:31.620 There may be tips that are spurred if you just think about a different possibility.

00:20:37.600 And in every other case, we do.

00:20:38.880 In every other case, we do talk about it.

00:20:40.860 In this particular case, we have not.

00:20:43.740 You're right.

00:20:44.600 It's probably because Savannah's famous and half the media knows her. 0.94

00:20:48.880 I mean, NBC's own coverage has stayed 20 feet away from anything involving Annie and Tommaso, which also seems irresponsible to me.

00:20:58.200 I mean, they may have absolutely nothing to do with this, but they were the last ones to see her.

00:21:04.100 Their house has been searched, we think, repeatedly, but certainly for several hours in the evening, in the dark of night.

00:21:10.140 They towed their car.

00:21:11.600 That's absolutely fair game when you're reporting about the facts of this case.

00:21:15.380 And not only has NBC steered clear of it, but, you know, Jake Tapper of CNN was out there shaming people for even discussing it.

00:21:23.180 it's like, I'm sorry, you're friends with her, but that doesn't mean you skew your coverage

00:21:29.620 of the case, whether it's on this issue or the issue of family members who could potentially

00:21:34.800 have been involved. Well, look, Jake, whatever, he's not on this beat. Let me just put it that

00:21:42.600 way. He doesn't know the arcane aspects of this story, and he doesn't know the arcane aspects of

00:21:48.440 Idaho either. And I lived through Idaho where we had bald face lies given to us from a police chief

00:21:55.360 who has taken it on the chin since about a dangerous man who walked among us. And he walked

00:22:02.640 among us for six weeks. And so I, as a reporter, and they told us there was no threat, no threat

00:22:09.500 to the public, go about your business, you know, send your girls out, you know, to the campus at 0.99

00:22:13.680 night, whatever. And it was bullshit. And this guy was going into work beside women who were 1.00

00:22:18.500 afraid of him. Had they known that there actually was a threat to the public, maybe they would not

00:22:23.640 have gone into that office. Maybe they would have demanded to work remotely. I don't know what

00:22:27.840 happened to anyone else in those weeks that Brian Koberger walked free. I don't know how many

00:22:34.000 parents decided to not haul their kids back from Moscow or WashU, wherever they were, because they

00:22:41.020 got the assurance from the police that everything was fine. So when I lived through that, and a few

00:22:46.140 other instances along the 38 years I've been doing this, I have known, like, hey, gloves off. If

00:22:52.780 you're going to say things, then I'm going to report what I see and what I hear as well, because

00:22:57.740 it's in contravention to what I'm hearing from within your own department. You saying that is

00:23:03.760 different, right? And then today, you saying this, that we've got a boogeyman out there. Now, I don't

00:23:08.260 know if you're just trying to deflect. The problem is, is that we have to chase the truth.

00:23:13.120 That's our master. We don't kowtow to authority, because otherwise, that'd be Pravda. 1.00

00:23:20.040 Exactly. Thank you. I could completely relate to that on a number of fronts,

00:23:24.480 politically and criminally. Oh, by the way, Megan, I actually was in Soviet Union and got

00:23:30.000 to see Pravda for reals in 1991. And I talked to people in Soviet Union best I could through French,

00:23:36.480 Oh, gosh, I was speaking three languages with people, Ukrainian, Russian, French, and English.

00:23:43.640 And I remember just the fear and terror of even having discussions with people in the open air, you know, no microphones anywhere.

00:23:49.880 1991, the fear that people had about talking about the government back when, you know, Gorbachev had just fallen.

00:23:57.640 This was like right at the time that the Soviet Union became the Commonwealth of Independent States.

00:24:01.400 So I have lived through, and by the way, I've also been in Iraq and Iran and all these other

00:24:05.300 places where you can't talk out loud. So I live differently. I believe in our system and I believe

00:24:10.540 that we should be questioning authority. And as long as you do it respectfully and your sources

00:24:14.440 are ironclad. Yeah. And you've been doing that all along. I know people have really focused in on

00:24:19.920 your reporting, which by the way, no one's undermined. No one's ever come out and said,

00:24:24.900 we have a source that says that source is BS and doesn't know what he's talking about. It's like,

00:24:29.900 okay, the investigation may have moved on. We don't actually know. We have no idea who's going

00:24:34.080 to be arrested for this, if anyone. And what we do know is the sheriff is now saying he thinks he

00:24:40.780 knows the motive, and it's been the same all along, and we're in danger. Okay, the community is now

00:24:45.940 in danger. You had six weeks not in danger. Now suddenly you're in danger, and you could get

00:24:50.540 targeted, even though this was targeted, but still the community at large is in danger. I mean, like,

00:24:54.820 I don't know what that means. So was he wrong then or is he wrong now, right? Was he wrong then

00:24:57.660 or is he wrong now? If I'm trying to read his tea leaves, he's projecting it's a B&E. He's

00:25:02.820 projecting you could be in danger because this is a breaker, an enterer, and he could target your

00:25:07.580 house next. But he says Nancy was targeted, quote, targeted. That must mean something other than as

00:25:13.800 Savannah's mom, like maybe she was targeted because she had a nice house or because she was an 84-year-old 0.94

00:25:18.680 woman and he had some sexual fetish. I don't know. But it would be nice if you give some guidance to

00:25:22.360 a community that is probably a bit on edge, Ashley.

00:25:25.560 You know, I've been listening to and watching Brian Enten's podcasts every single day,

00:25:30.780 all of his coverage.

00:25:31.740 I read his tweets.

00:25:32.740 I'm a bit obsessed.

00:25:34.480 And I think it was yesterday's podcast, Brian interviewed a woman named Laura, I think her

00:25:40.620 first name was, who was a neighbor of Nancy Guthrie's, who talked about the fear that

00:25:46.340 she now feels since the sheriff made this proclamation, I think, was it Thursday or

00:25:52.000 Wednesday of last week, whenever it was, midweek, on week six. And I realized, like, this is the

00:26:01.000 result. I wish more neighbors had spoken publicly because I wish that Sheriff Nanos had seen

00:26:06.960 the result of his words. There are real people who are afraid because now they think there's

00:26:14.980 a maniac out there. So are you being true today, Sheriff Nanos? Should Laura and all her neighbors

00:26:21.420 be afraid because they are really afraid now or should they have been so restful and you know

00:26:27.920 should they have had no fear at all since day one for the last six weeks well actually you're so

00:26:32.260 right and especially because now i'm gonna play we actually have uh some of that from from brian

00:26:36.820 uh this is from march 16th let's play it and then i'll make the second half of my point

00:26:40.720 are you nervous are people nervous i um i saw that quote today and i saw that he was just really

00:26:50.420 I'm talking with the NBC reporters, and I think it's a little bit ambiguous.

00:26:59.360 I think it's targeted, but we're not sure.

00:27:01.180 I'm just not quite sure what that means.

00:27:02.900 But it did cause my hair to raise up a bit when he said that.

00:27:10.140 And it did give me some time to think about what that means,

00:27:15.940 and it made me a little bit uncomfortable being, you know, a nearby neighbor.

00:27:23.140 I was thinking about that today on my way home for my appointment.

00:27:25.960 Like, okay, what does that mean?

00:27:27.400 And does that mean there could be somebody else lurking around?

00:27:33.240 Somebody that's just looking for easy targets?

00:27:36.620 He said it was targeted, but targeted based on what?

00:27:40.080 Because he also said you're in danger.

00:27:42.020 That was Laura. 0.54

00:27:42.700 And the second point I was going to make about it, Ashley, is not only does she get this warning six weeks later from the sheriff, but she gets it just at the time that all the media is gone.

00:27:52.120 The media is gone.

00:27:53.000 So, like, there's a sense of security when you look out your window and it's, you know, head to toe.

00:27:57.240 You've got people up and down the lane.

00:27:59.280 They're all gone now.

00:28:00.400 So it's gone back to this isolated, dark community, just as the sheriff says, everyone's in danger.

00:28:07.980 Yeah.

00:28:09.560 Yeah.

00:28:09.960 Thank God that there are enough media who decided to really follow this case, right, and report what was happening on this day one that Sheriff Nanos says he's known everything since.

00:28:23.680 And shame on those who shat on me for saying this was where their focus was because maybe their focus was wrong.

00:28:32.560 because if what Nanos is saying now is true,

00:28:35.980 their focus was wrong

00:28:37.460 and they may have lost a lot of valuable time

00:28:40.280 and they could have warned those people a lot earlier

00:28:43.640 had they opened the aperture perhaps a little bit more.

00:28:47.340 So, you know, I guess to the Jake Tappers of the world, 0.99

00:28:50.120 I say you refrain from reporting certain things

00:28:53.200 because of whatever self-established morals

00:28:55.780 you've put out there,

00:28:56.840 but the rest of us are concerned about safety

00:28:58.860 and truth from authority

00:29:01.460 Because if my parents were living in that neighborhood, I would have wanted them to know what was going on, not whatever platitudes the sheriff was choosing to say that day.

00:29:13.060 And also the nerve of like that one local Democratic representative who I can't remember her name right now, but she was like, get out, get out, independent media, go home. 1.00

00:29:23.200 The nerve, as you know, having been in the crime business for a long time, and I cover a lot of

00:29:29.560 crime too, just to give my legal background, every missing family, every family in America that has

00:29:35.440 a missing person would give their eye teeth to have that kind of coverage, independent broadcast

00:29:41.240 or otherwise of their missing loved one. That's how you put pressure on law enforcement.

00:29:46.680 Yeah, I have 40,000 reasons why that idiot shouldn't be in office. They're called tips. They came into the FBI and they came into the homicide unit of the local sheriff. But for that coverage that she disdains so much, I dare say that those tips wouldn't even have gotten into the thousands. 1.00

00:30:08.040 And like you said, ask any family of a missing person.

00:30:12.120 They beg for coverage like this. 0.99

00:30:14.560 And I'm sorry if it made for uncomfortable parking, but I dare say as well that parking was bullshit. 0.96

00:30:21.580 It had nothing to do with why Sheriff Nanos made a parking restriction. 0.81

00:30:25.720 He shooed everyone away, everybody but independent media.

00:30:30.000 Yes, her name is Arizona State Legislator Alma Hernandez. 0.50

00:30:33.760 And how dare she insert herself in this way?

00:30:36.280 I mean, it was absolutely shameful.

00:30:38.040 Does she have a missing loved one? Is it her mom who's missing? No. I didn't hear the Guthrie's

00:30:43.200 say, get out, and we don't want any more independent media covering this case. I think

00:30:46.720 every family in America that has lost somebody and they don't know what happened to them would

00:30:51.220 love to have the JLR investigates and the Brian Entons and the Ashley Banfields and the Megan

00:30:57.180 Kellys of the world covering this nonstop. Ask Ed Smart. Ed Smart also had the microscope on him.

00:31:05.180 I remember the awfully awkward and uncomfortable interview I did with Ed and Lois Smart in Salt Lake City in the first few weeks of Elizabeth's disappearance because the entire focus was on him.

00:31:18.040 Not the entire, but a very, very deep part of that investigation was on Ed.

00:31:21.840 And the media was asking questions about Ed as well.

00:31:25.320 And Ed never said, get rid of the media.

00:31:28.760 Ed stood up and was in front of the media asking, find Elizabeth, find Elizabeth, find Elizabeth.

00:31:34.200 And what ended up finding Elizabeth?

00:31:36.720 The face of Elizabeth was out there, and the police officer recognized her when he saw her, you know?

00:31:43.280 So Ed will tell you, yeah, it's a blessing and a curse.

00:31:46.380 They do focus on family. 0.99

00:31:47.760 It's how investigations go, and it sucks.

00:31:50.220 But you get that added benefit of all those eyeballs when your story goes viral.

00:31:55.260 So it is, again, any family will tell you of a missing child.

00:31:59.180 They would take the awful for the great of media scrutiny any day when their loved one's missing.

00:32:04.860 I want to ask you about a bunch of things about this case that are bothering me and other people, and just get your quick takes.

00:32:10.880 The fact that Sheriff Nounos would not accept the help of any search group.

00:32:14.440 These storied, smart, organized, successful search groups that you and I have seen go into many missing person cases and do grid searches and really help, repeatedly said no to those groups and didn't organize his own civilian team to do a grid search.

00:32:32.440 You know, because with the volunteers that you get on a case like this, you have way more bodies than you have in a police department or an FBI.

00:32:38.260 At every turn, he said no.

00:32:39.840 What do you make of that?

00:32:41.340 I don't understand it.

00:32:43.780 You know, if I give him the benefit of the doubt, he doesn't want to compromise evidence that's out there.

00:32:48.940 But if the evidence just – if a tree falls in the forest, you know.

00:32:52.580 And it's frustrating because groups like the Cajun Navy, they're oftentimes made up of a lot of former law enforcement and people who have training like this.

00:33:00.920 And they are savvy enough to know if you see it, photograph it, call it and don't touch it. And it is stressful because if we are looking for Nancy Guthrie, who may no longer be with us, then someone needs to be looking. The desert is very big.

00:33:17.260 It would be helpful to be able to get closure in this case, maybe even some evidence because anything that would be with her could provide clues, right?

00:33:27.160 It could provide skin, hair, fibers from someone else's clothes.

00:33:32.980 Lots of cases have been actually solved through someone else's fibers from their shirt, you know, or a piece of tape because tape is an amazing little grabber of DNA and skin cells and hair.

00:33:44.760 Just ask the Long Island serial killing suspect. 0.84

00:33:47.760 That's how he ended up behind bars because of the tape and all the shit that got stuck to the tape from allegedly his home. 0.91

00:33:54.960 So, yeah, I feel like if we had people searching the desert, like maybe they could search Gilgo Beach, we might actually be able to find some resolution in this case.

00:34:05.920 Whether you think this was a thorough investigation of the crime scene in the initial days?

00:34:15.520 No. I mean, I don't think 24 hours is quite enough.

00:34:20.900 Crime scene was released and the search was called off all on Monday.

00:34:28.780 And this happened on Sunday.

00:34:30.140 So February 1st is Sunday.

00:34:31.560 February 2nd is Nanos' big news conference, his first one, where he says, we're calling off the search and we're going to treat this like a crime scene now, but released it to the family and the pizza delivery guy and the reporters who walked up and saw the evidence of blood on the front doorstep and whoever else showed up.

00:34:49.300 I mean, everybody showed up. And so it's very frustrating to see the subsequent searches by the FBI and other CSI teams long after the fact.

00:34:59.580 Will it give them answers? I don't know. Did somebody step on the footprint that might have been the footprint of this monster? Probably. Did anybody decide to take the front mat? Did anybody decide to take the actual bracket that the nest cam was on? No, not for a couple weeks.

00:35:17.560 And P.S., when you take something out of your mouth, like, I don't know, a bite light, your saliva is all over your little gloves that you thought you were protecting your fingers from so perfectly.

00:35:26.000 And then you mess with that actual nest cam and your DNA gets all over the bracket.

00:35:32.060 The bracket was up for two weeks until finally the white-tented day revealed that it had finally been gone.

00:35:38.000 So, no, I don't think it was processed appropriately.

00:35:41.540 And what frustrates me about that, again, benefit of the doubt and grace here, when

00:35:46.240 you don't know that you're dealing with a crime like this and you think it's just a

00:35:50.180 missing person like General McCasland, you know, in New Mexico, you think maybe he's

00:35:54.340 wandered off or I know they don't think he has, but you don't treat it like a crime scene

00:35:58.480 right away.

00:35:58.760 But they had blood.

00:36:00.040 And so it was.

00:36:01.660 And it should have walked down right away.

00:36:04.160 Yes.

00:36:04.500 The first hour.

00:36:05.240 Well, listen, not even in the first hours.

00:36:06.680 My source said that those droplets that you're showing right now are mimicked inside the same pattern that you're seeing there, straight up and down, except for that sort of aspiration-looking one.

00:36:15.900 Those same patterns are mimicked inside the house.

00:36:18.360 And that when the patrolman arrived for the phone call from the family saying, we think our mom is missing and we need help, the patrolmen were told by some other officers who arrived, get out.

00:36:32.680 we have something much different on our hands than a missing elderly woman. They saw, according

00:36:38.560 to my sources, the back door wide open. They saw the blood in the house. Unfortunately, I can't

00:36:43.520 tell you where. I wish I knew, but my source didn't have the knowledge of where exactly those

00:36:48.320 blood drops inside the house were. But if I were a guessing man, it's likely in that front entrance

00:36:52.860 area because they were aware right away, according to my source, that back door's wide open, blood

00:36:59.220 drops are here. Blood drops go out the front. Get out. Don't compromise the scene anymore. We need

00:37:03.520 to bring homicide in. And that all happened within minutes, as my source told me. I mean,

00:37:08.460 walk us through what you think that means, because it seems pretty clear that this guy did not get

00:37:12.140 in through the front door. You know, it had that gate on it that made it virtually impenetrable,

00:37:16.460 according to virtually everybody. There was actually a soundbite from the neighbor,

00:37:20.660 that same woman, Laura, with Brian Enten. And here's what she had to say about that gate.

00:37:25.120 We've had law enforcement experts on here talking about that gate. I want to get one of those gates,

00:37:28.780 but they're saying you basically if you have that on your front door no one's getting through here

00:37:31.780 it is it's not 12 and i don't like to speculate and i always also assumed it was two people

00:37:36.800 um because of the person who was at the front door and he was standing there and i don't think

00:37:46.120 he was the main person i think he was the guy outside who was waiting for them to come out

00:37:51.960 because if you have a gate like that a security gate on the front door you're not getting into

00:37:59.460 that you're never going to break into that security gate i mean i i actually talked to a

00:38:03.820 security guy about two or three weeks three weeks ago and he confirmed you're not breaking into

00:38:09.200 those gates um so i think and you know she has glass on both sides of the door and i think he 0.96

00:38:16.340 was trying to see and so when he was standing there he wasn't trying to figure out what to do

00:38:20.500 he was trying to look in to see what was going on. And also, because you have a security gate,

00:38:26.280 the door, the wooden door, if that's open, it's hard to see inside if it's dark,

00:38:31.360 because I have one of those. You can't really see if the door is open or not. So I think he

00:38:35.060 was standing there waiting for someone to come out. Very interesting theory. Would dovetail as

00:38:39.700 well with the speculation that possibly that item we see in the perpetrator's pocket is a walkie

00:38:44.100 talkie. We don't know. It could be a police scanner. It could be something else entirely.

00:38:47.580 but if there was a second person would work and with your theory would work because it does seem

00:38:53.400 clear that the perpetrator actually gained access to the house through the back door at least that

00:38:57.220 seems clear to me because clearly they had nancy we know that's her blood on the front porch 0.99

00:39:01.480 when they went out the front door so they when they had nancy she exited through that front door 0.99

00:39:06.680 and i accept that he was not able to get into that front door um on his own so is that what we think

00:39:13.320 Ashley, he came in through the back door. You said you saw signs of force, not you, but your

00:39:17.540 source said there were signs of forced entry. So that's how they got in. And then they brought

00:39:21.060 Nancy out the front and presumably into a car. Correct. I mean, that's what the source said.

00:39:26.820 In my opinion, based on the knowledge of this back door being wide open, blood being inside,

00:39:32.940 blood being outside in the same pattern, it kind of looks as though they were in the house

00:39:37.500 and came out through that front area, that front door, and yeah, you're not getting in through one

00:39:44.580 of those, you know, security doors. But I don't see why it's like so tricky here, you know, like

00:39:51.360 if you see other crimes where people have been taken, it isn't difficult to see how blood can be

00:40:01.140 dripped, right? I think about the Nancy Woodrum case. I did a podcast episode on Nancy Woodrum's

00:40:07.320 case in Paso Robles, California. And the perpetrator in that case was a rapist. And 0.96

00:40:13.420 she was, people got really angry when I said elderly, but she was, I think, 62 or 64, I can't

00:40:18.540 remember. But on the older side, and vulnerable, living alone, and he broke in and took her out

00:40:25.860 the door, up over his shoulder. And there was blood in that case as well. And I disagree with

00:40:31.860 Laura in the fact that I do believe this person worked alone, especially with that particular

00:40:36.680 theory. People don't typically work with partners when they do that. But I asked the sheriff who

00:40:43.460 ran, or the lead investigator who ran the Nancy Woodrum case, well, how hard is it, if God forbid

00:40:50.540 Nancy Guthrie were dead, to take her out over your shoulder, one person, 150 pounds of dead 0.98

00:40:57.260 weight is extraordinarily difficult. And he said, oh, no, it's not. Absolutely not. Not only did

00:41:01.640 that perpetrator take her out of her home he also took her a hundred yards off of the road 0.95

00:41:10.120 50 yards of which was over his shoulder and the last 50 yards of which he dragged her so 1.00

00:41:15.240 it's entirely possible for one and that guy was only i think five eight he said he was a smaller

00:41:20.100 guy so it's not it's not difficult to do that and and it's i mean the case the most bizarre case

00:41:26.740 Look it up. It just it mirrors Nancy Guthrie's case so frighteningly, like to a T, even even to the detail of who they caught the perpetrator in that case.

00:41:38.620 Yes. Yes, they did. And in the Nancy Guthrie case, I wish, well, listen, I don't know what they're doing specifically, what the FBI is doing specifically to run down leads.

00:41:47.920 But in the case of Nancy Woodrum, it took them seven months.

00:41:54.100 I mean, listen, we're at what, you know, two and a half or one and a half, you know.

00:41:58.240 Six weeks.

00:41:59.000 Yeah.

00:41:59.540 And it took them seven months, but they ran down every single person.

00:42:03.440 There were a lot of people on the property that night.

00:42:05.160 She had rented out her main house to a wedding, so they had to go through all the wedding guests, and they did that.

00:42:08.720 And everybody seemed a little suspicious.

00:42:10.320 Like, there were all sorts of hinky things that went on.

00:42:13.880 And her own son was a suspect as well.

00:42:17.920 and behaved bizarrely, refused to give his DNA, refused to help them find his missing mother.

00:42:22.760 So, yeah, suspect.

00:42:24.280 But then they had male DNA inside Nancy Woodrum's bedroom.

00:42:28.840 And everybody that they had looked at, you know, ended up being X'd out because of that. 0.97

00:42:33.560 But ultimately, Megan, what they did was they went through every single contractor who'd ever been there.

00:42:39.720 They also geofenced and found his phone.

00:42:42.720 I think since then, criminals are a little bit more savvy about not having their phones with them, not just turned off, but not having them with them.

00:42:50.520 Unfortunately.

00:42:51.200 And, yeah, sadly.

00:42:52.980 Well, we'll find another tool.

00:42:54.920 But they got this guy, and he was clean as a whistle, right?

00:42:59.580 That's why nothing happened in CODIS.

00:43:00.880 He didn't have any background, any criminal background that he'd been caught for.

00:43:05.420 And he was married with a kid, and he was in his 40s.

00:43:09.260 And Nancy Woodrum had been nice to him.

00:43:11.020 He was a painter.

00:43:12.080 And she'd been nice to him.

00:43:13.040 She gave him tamales.

00:43:13.880 Like she'd made some tamales and gave them to him and said, oh, these are mine.

00:43:16.300 I'm sure they're not as good as your mother's.

00:43:17.820 And he, for some reason, took that as flirting.

00:43:22.400 So he came back, you know, the next night after the tamales and left his wife.

00:43:28.520 Apparently, he stepped out on her a lot.

00:43:30.420 Left his wife and child at home.

00:43:32.020 Did this horrifying thing.

00:43:33.620 But Megan, he stopped at a church on the way. 0.99

00:43:36.740 he stopped at a fucking church and prayed i guess for 20 minutes or so and then continued on his 1.00

00:43:44.400 murderous horrifying rapey rampage and that was his mission he went into to rape nancy woodrum 1.00

00:43:49.620 and he killed her and then he took her out over his shoulder out through the door into the vehicle 0.90

00:43:55.600 drove 60 miles that's another weird one drove 60 miles to a place where he um dragged her like i 0.99

00:44:04.120 set off the road a hundred yards into the desert. But when they caught him, Megan, this is the

00:44:09.220 weird part. You don't usually get this in our business. He sung like a canary. He told them

00:44:13.080 everything. It was the most bizarre thing. Yeah. They got him in an interrogation room and they

00:44:18.180 said, we've got your phone in Nancy's room. And he tried to give them some crap story about, well, 0.89

00:44:22.640 I went to get a ladder and I accidentally hit her with my car. And they're like, try again. 0.95

00:44:26.460 And then he just opened the floodgates and he took them to the body. And the investigator told

00:44:32.100 me, had he not taken the police to the body, they never would have found her. And when they did find

00:44:37.180 her, they barely could find her. The activity in the desert, the animal activity had done

00:44:41.840 its work in seven months, and it would have been next to impossible to find her.

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00:48:01.480 I agree with you. I'm not sure whether Laura's right that he had an accomplice,

00:48:05.960 that this was like the man waiting to receive Nancy on the front porch.

00:48:09.660 um it that that's not necessarily true he actually that could have been the perp there kind of

00:48:15.920 figuring out whether the front door was going to be an option for him and figuring no it's not i'm

00:48:21.480 going to go around to the back door where he had more luck with an easier door without the that

00:48:25.760 you know that big gate over the front of it and then clearly took nancy out the front yeah you

00:48:29.900 go yeah either that or you know if we take our sources at their word and and this is not my

00:48:34.720 source only i had a source said this you did everybody had the source that said that those

00:48:38.440 two images were taken on different days. The one without the backpack and without the gun was taken

00:48:42.660 on a different day than the one with the backpack and with the gun. I'm still not 100% if the day

00:48:46.740 isn't just a few hours earlier, because it was a different day a few hours earlier. But I have a

00:48:52.780 feeling it's possible that what he was trying to do was just get rid of the camera. I mean,

00:48:57.380 it wasn't that I want to get in. I just want to get rid of the camera so that I can bring her out 1.00

00:49:02.200 without the camera catching all this business of how I walk and how I bend and what if something

00:49:07.500 happens and then they see a tattoo or whatever. So I feel like that. Let me ask you that though.

00:49:12.740 That's one of the things that's really mystified me about this, the timeline. Because they said

00:49:17.280 at 1.47, the cameras went offline. And then at 2.12, image detected. To this moment, I don't

00:49:25.640 understand that. Like, you know, there's been discussion, was there a Wi-Fi jammer? At 1.47,

00:49:30.220 it turned off the Nest camera. But then at 2.12, was it working? Because we see the images of the

00:49:36.620 guy, but those were retrieved images. So, like, do you understand what they're trying to say with

00:49:40.520 those two different times? Yeah, it's a bit, you know, tricky. But I do think that the Wi-Fi jammer

00:49:48.100 isn't an impossibility. They're temporary, right? And so it is possible that he did a Wi-Fi jamming

00:49:54.980 and then started messing around the house and taking out the back lights, right, so that there'd

00:49:59.560 be no images if the cameras popped back on. And we know that the cameras are plural. My source

00:50:06.440 said from day one cameras plural nest cameras plural smashed and so um if if you think about

00:50:13.140 it he could have been around the back he could have jammed the wi-fi at 147 when he arrived

00:50:18.800 gone all around the house doing whatever business he wanted to do to make it dark and get rid of

00:50:22.980 whatever cameras he could find and this is the last one because this was the one perhaps he

00:50:26.580 wanted to to to leave the house with nancy so what i see differently what everyone else sees

00:50:31.780 when he comes up with those vines, I see something else. I don't see him trying to hang the vines to

00:50:38.120 obscure the camera. That's just silly. I see him taking a vine and testing it. I feel like he's 0.89

00:50:43.440 testing the strength of it. And then I see him kind of with a fist around those vines. And I

00:50:48.600 think he's trying to put the vine between the camera and the mount and yank, and yank that

00:50:54.120 camera off because the camera and its mount, its bracket, there's only like an eighth of an inch.

00:50:59.780 It was very, very, very narrow. It's almost like a quarter, the width of a quarter in between those two things. We all have them, right? And so it's hard to get your fingers in behind there and pull it. And I think that's what he might have done at the beginning when he, when you saw him, he put his hand over and it felt like he was like, you could see him almost squeezing in the beginning.

00:51:15.800 And so then he starts MacGyvering and looking around for some, you know, something he could use to yank it or get between it or to wedge it off.

00:51:23.980 And he, you know, gives the inner part of the entrance about a two-second scan and then sees the vine and pulls on that vine.

00:51:31.960 And I feel like he's sort of testing the strength of it.

00:51:34.060 And then I feel like he might be trying to yank the camera off.

00:51:38.600 In any case, Michael Ruiz from Fox Digital said in one of his early reports, I think in week two, I think, that there were small glass fragments below where the Nest Cam was, which would track with what my source said early on, on day one and two and three, that cameras, Nest cameras, right?

00:52:01.020 He said Nest cameras, so that ended up being true, right?

00:52:04.580 We're smashed.

00:52:06.180 Yeah.

00:52:07.180 Well, we did a whole experiment with the Nest camera on the show, and what we learned was

00:52:12.540 you can get that thing out of the cradle easily.

00:52:15.640 All you have to do is, like, toggle it.

00:52:17.380 You basically just hold it, and you kind of wiggle it left to right.

00:52:20.660 It's very simple.

00:52:21.380 It's not hard.

00:52:22.500 I did it, and I'm not particularly strong.

00:52:25.140 Or it comes with a little—it looks like a key.

00:52:28.200 It's a flat key.

00:52:29.600 It's about, you know, half an inch in length.

00:52:32.860 And if you have that, you just kind of put it in there right in the back, and it pops right off immediately.

00:52:39.540 But it's not hard to get those things off of the cradle.

00:52:42.400 And so I don't know whether this guy had familiarity or not, but those vines would have done it for sure.

00:52:47.240 Because even just your hand toggling it while it's in this cradle will take it off.

00:52:50.960 So you could be right.

00:52:51.960 That absolutely could be true.

00:52:52.400 The big fat hands with all those glovey things on.

00:52:55.120 Maybe he was struggling for dexterity there.

00:52:56.760 I don't know what it is.

00:52:57.500 But I don't think he was hanging the vines.

00:53:00.520 I mean, they're cute.

00:53:01.740 they're like wedding vines, you know, they're not going to cover anything. I think he was trying to

00:53:06.620 clear a path to get out. And then you're right, because when we get when you get the camera off

00:53:12.300 of the cradle, it continues to record. And it wasn't until we took a hammer and smashed the

00:53:17.980 glass dome on it, which is right over the lens, that it stopped filming. Yeah, we don't know what

00:53:23.480 the other images they have are. And I get it. Listen, I totally understand that investigations,

00:53:30.460 you got to keep a lot close to your vest, no problem. And if it's not helpful for the public,

00:53:36.240 you know, if there's an image there that isn't helpful for the public to, you know, get eyes on

00:53:39.620 and get more tips, then sure, keep it close to the vest. So maybe they have something that shows

00:53:45.220 those last moments of that, of that camera being taken off. They may not want the perp to know that,

00:53:51.200 you know, we know you have it, you know, we know you've got it with you, or we know what you did

00:53:54.200 do it. But, but I think this is sort of simple, you know, if you need to get out that door,

00:53:59.980 and your vehicle is going to be, you know,

00:54:02.060 close enough to be able to carry something very heavy

00:54:04.120 and the back door may have been too far

00:54:06.480 with too many gates to get through.

00:54:08.860 Maybe that was the decision that, yeah, that he made.

00:54:12.040 Yep, yep.

00:54:13.160 The other thing is, I want to tell you something else, Megan,

00:54:15.360 and that is that my source said that the blood droplets

00:54:18.260 inside the house are the same as they are outside the house

00:54:21.220 in that they are not disturbed, they're not stepped in,

00:54:23.640 there's no sign of struggle in them,

00:54:26.380 there's not somebody walking in front,

00:54:28.620 say at gunpoint, and dropping blood with the person behind them walking through it. It's not

00:54:34.520 like that from the description that I got. It's like this. Meaning, if you think of the Nancy

00:54:40.040 Woodrum case, the perpetrator put Nancy Woodrum over his shoulder, and then, you know, she was

00:54:45.700 wrapped up in bedding, but if there'd been anything exposed and she'd been, you know,

00:54:49.180 dripping blood, that would be dripping behind him as he was walking Nancy Woodrum out to the 0.86

00:54:55.400 vehicle he put her in. And can I tell you one other detail that's just batshit crazy? The

00:55:00.040 perpetrator in the Woodrum case, he was a painter, I told you that, and he had a painting truck. So

00:55:06.380 it was like a pickup truck with all of his painting supplies in the back, the tarps, the paints, the

00:55:11.340 gear, the ladders, whatever. And he put Nancy Woodrum in the back of that vehicle, in the back 0.92

00:55:17.980 of that pickup truck, in all the bedding, like wound up in all the bedding. He also grabbed her

00:55:22.760 clothing from the next morning. She had laid out her clothing on her bed as a habit of hers. So

00:55:28.160 he grabbed her next day outfit. She's in her pajamas. He wraps her up in bedding, takes the

00:55:32.620 bedding, throws her into the back of the pickup truck, but then does not close the gate. And he

00:55:38.240 drives for 60 miles like that. Now, granted, it's two, three, four o'clock in the morning.

00:55:43.220 Doesn't close the gate on the back of the pickup truck?

00:55:46.580 Nope. Wow. He drives with it open. Don't ask me why. I couldn't get that answer. Believe me,

00:55:51.220 I tried. It might have been that there was too much stuff and that she, you know, stuck out too

00:55:56.760 far to be able to get the gate up. I don't know. Whatever it was, he didn't close the gate.

00:56:00.000 What if people could see?

00:56:02.140 Uh-huh. Like, I know. That's what I'm talking. I'd be like, are you kidding me? Who does this?

00:56:07.560 It is four o'clock in the morning. It's dark, whatever. But the bedding ended up unraveling

00:56:13.620 and blowing out. So they found some of this bedding and her outfit from the next day. You

00:56:20.340 know, she was, she'd laid out her out for the next day. And they found that on the side of the

00:56:23.980 highway. I can't remember how many miles it was down the road, not that far, but that's what this

00:56:28.920 guy did. He, I mean, they, they, you know what this is reminding me of, Ashley, and you and I

00:56:33.360 talked about this at the time of the Kohlberger arrest. And once we found out it was him,

00:56:38.240 this weird combination of very smart decisions and very dumb ones, the same person. Yes, 0.99

00:56:45.780 Yes, exactly. And you can have somebody who, arguably, Koberger is bright enough to get into a PhD program, but what a moron. He carried his phone like a brick. And, you know, we all know that your apps keep running. 1.00

00:56:56.500 He ordered the knife on Amazon.

00:56:58.640 Orders the knife on Amazon. Drives his own car to a killing. What? Anyway, all these things, you know, people, as we learn of these crimes, it's why reporting on them is so important. You know, you've got to know what these people are doing so you can protect yourself against them.

00:57:13.660 And we can get better at crime fighting.

00:57:16.060 We need better tools. 0.98

00:57:16.560 But where's this guy's really dumb mistakes? 0.97

00:57:18.640 You know, like, that's what I want to know. 0.95

00:57:19.880 It's not great for him that we have the images of him.

00:57:22.260 That's one. 0.99

00:57:23.240 But, like, where are his dumb ass mistakes that make it easy? 0.99

00:57:27.000 Like, he doesn't appear to have brought his phone. 0.99

00:57:29.160 That's unfortunate.

00:57:30.120 He did appear to hide his car from the Nest camera on the front.

00:57:33.720 That's also unfortunate.

00:57:35.400 However, he got that backpack.

00:57:36.700 It doesn't appear to have been at a Walmart cash register, according to what Sheriff

00:57:40.560 Nono says.

00:57:41.480 So, you know, that was smart.

00:57:43.100 And that was very smart because that would have required a lot of advanced thought.

00:57:47.180 Like, I'm going to wear this backpack and maybe potentially get caught on camera.

00:57:51.300 And therefore, I don't want to be seen on camera purchasing it at a Walmart.

00:57:54.240 So I'm going to get it secondhand.

00:57:55.440 I may be giving him too much credit.

00:57:57.300 It might not have been that well thought out.

00:57:58.680 But those leads have led nowhere finding the guy who has that jacket or the purchase of that jacket at the purchase site.

00:58:04.380 And the backpack's same.

00:58:06.280 And, like, no obvious DNA.

00:58:08.220 I mean, they've said so far there's been no matching.

00:58:10.440 no obvious like fingerprints with the gloves like that he was this guy was careful it doesn't seem

00:58:15.300 like it was his first rodeo yeah i by the way i just as you were talking i thought i wonder if

00:58:21.300 he picked it up in a lost and found you know because the kids lose their stuff all the time

00:58:25.140 and lost and founds end up all the time stacked with stuff and nobody bothers to come and get

00:58:29.700 their stuff and so people might not even really know it's gone but i would hope that again through

00:58:34.700 all of this coverage somebody says oh yeah my kid had that backpack and we lost it and we never

00:58:39.760 found it again. And that might be a lead. But folks, 1-800-CALL-FBI if that's you.

00:58:45.780 But I think, you know, I often go back to the Casey Anthony case for stupid mistakes. Like, 0.99

00:58:52.820 Casey was, you know, she was never convicted of murder. But she did a lot of stupid stuff. 1.00

00:58:58.740 But we all know she did it. 1.00

00:59:00.620 Well, I'm never going to say that.

00:59:02.460 Well, I am. She did it. That's my strong opinion.

00:59:05.260 She said she didn't. Because you know what would be amazing is if you got sued for libel and then you get all discovery and you get to actually talk about the case with her, right?

00:59:13.660 She can't sue me for libel. It's my opinion that she did it. It's my opinion that she did it.

00:59:18.920 So in the Casey Anthony case, I often say, because I sat through every second of that case in the courtroom, and I often say that case was not won by a defense attorney.

00:59:32.980 It was lost by terrible prosecutors who were egotistical and overstepped, except for one named George, who was amazing. 1.00

00:59:40.040 The other two were idiots. 1.00

00:59:41.420 But in this particular case, I don't know that he's a mastermind. 1.00

00:59:46.840 I think he's sort of the situation of the prosecutors. 0.76

00:59:50.760 He's just got dumb luck in that it's super dark, you know, just super duper dark.

00:59:56.140 And Nancy didn't have a subscription.

00:59:58.140 So there's just not enough to find this guy in the night.

01:00:01.640 And then, you know, Tucson, what the hell?

01:00:05.020 What's with your flock cameras?

01:00:06.160 What's with your egresses and ingresses? 1.00

01:00:08.000 Like, why would you not be more protective of your folk?

01:00:11.380 And so there's another, you know,

01:00:13.120 misstep by the Casey Anthony prosecutors.

01:00:15.140 Your camera systems are awful.

01:00:17.640 And this guy just kind of struck luck all the way along.

01:00:22.580 That's my feeling about it.

01:00:24.300 You know, I look at a guy who walks up at a door

01:00:26.560 and isn't quite sure what to do

01:00:28.100 and doesn't have the tool ready to go.

01:00:29.860 So I don't think he's a mastermind.

01:00:31.300 And I just think he struck a really lucky vein in that there was a confluence of circumstances that were in his favor, not by his design.

01:00:41.840 By the way, earlier this week on our program, Chad Ayers, he's also a former SWAT.

01:00:47.500 He said he has a boots on the ground source in Arizona who told him there are no suspects and that the family has all past polygraphs, quote, with flying colors.

01:00:58.400 um so i have that too believe it or not i cut the same i go a little further on that my source said

01:01:04.460 yeah telling that and and i and i i haven't reported this yet because i'm still trying to

01:01:09.320 put my finger on it um and this was actually like i want to say two and a half weeks ago

01:01:15.000 my source said that the family was all given polygraphs they must have been given those

01:01:20.360 polygraphs in the um the home that they were staying in the private home they were staying

01:01:23.680 because they didn't march them into the sheriff's department to do that and typically those

01:01:27.860 polygraphs aren't given from what I understand in the sheriff's department anyway, but they must

01:01:30.740 have taken the gear to the home where they were at. But my source said that they cleared the family

01:01:37.060 based on polygraph tests and voluntarily turning over their electronic devices. And I thought,

01:01:49.160 well, that's odd. That's not typically how you clear somebody. I would turn over any device

01:01:54.400 that I didn't use in a crime. It's just a weird thing to do. And polygraphs, as you know,

01:02:00.380 they're great investigative tools, but you can't use them in court. They don't stand up in court

01:02:04.780 because they're just, they're not the kind of technology that is as trustworthy as, you know.

01:02:09.180 Well, the other thing is, if I'm Savannah Guthrie, and I know very well that my family has been,

01:02:16.060 you know, mentioned as possibly involved in this, and I don't believe they were involved at all,

01:02:19.440 I would make sure I had the best lawyer money could buy for when they came out and sat with 0.99

01:02:25.540 my sister and my brother-in-law. And I don't, I'm not sure who would have selected the poly 1.00

01:02:30.280 polygrapher. You know, I, I really don't like, you don't have to do it. You could say, well,

01:02:34.900 we'll do it, but it has to be somebody that we find. And probably the cops would have said,

01:02:38.700 okay, I feel like now this would have been like, that's fine by me. So we actually don't know the

01:02:42.360 specifics of that. Like the more I think about this whole week, I've been wrestling with that

01:02:45.040 news. Like, do I believe in this? Does it change my opinion of whether the family might possibly

01:02:49.260 have had some involvement. I don't believe Annie Guthrie or Tomas were able to fool a polygraph.

01:02:55.680 That doesn't seem likely with like a poet and a band member, like they've got some stone cold

01:03:02.680 ice in their veins. I just don't know about that, but I'm not sure it's determinative of whether

01:03:07.560 they're no longer under suspicion or not either. Yeah. I don't know. There are some FBI sources

01:03:15.160 of a colleague of mine who told her that the FBI doesn't feel the level of suspicion about

01:03:22.580 the family members as much as they did in the beginning. But again, that's hard to quantify.

01:03:29.200 But I just feel like if you were so gung-ho in the early part of the investigation about this

01:03:36.340 family, to the extent that you did the things you did, and then halfway through the investigation,

01:03:41.260 you wanted to clear them, then clear them, you know, don't drag things out and toy with the

01:03:49.320 media and obfuscate because it doesn't do them any good. And so it seems that Sheriff Nanos has

01:03:56.340 had, you know, a special place in his heart for the Guthrie family. He even said as much as,

01:04:01.320 and I'll paraphrase here, like Savannah's Tucson's daughter, and we love this family,

01:04:05.800 which I also thought, look, that's fine if you feel that way, but you have to do, you got a job

01:04:09.740 to do. You have a job to do. And in the beginning of an investigation like that, in any missing

01:04:15.540 person's investigation, you have to start with the family. It's just 101. As sad and as difficult

01:04:20.800 as it is, it's 101. You've got a job to do. So you shouldn't be making those kinds of comments.

01:04:26.900 You shouldn't be telling everybody how special this family is that you're supposed to be

01:04:31.460 investigating. You should just stick to the damn work and do the work. And after it's all resolved, 0.99

01:04:37.880 have a coffee party or do whatever. But in the meantime, that doesn't give people a lot of

01:04:42.980 faith in, you know, your focus on this. No, no one has faith. I know you have to run. So I just

01:04:50.140 want to ask you two quick questions if you can spare the time. Number one, quickly, do you think

01:04:54.360 this case will be solved? So I do. I actually really do. Like you and I were just talking

01:05:00.940 This guy is not Mensa. He's done some things, and it will trip him up. Whether we are going to ever find Nancy is a different question. I'm not 100% sure about that. Given the Woodrum case and what I learned in the Woodrum case, it was very disheartening in that regard. And for that, my heart breaks for the Guthrie family.

01:05:23.080 But I do think we're, like I said, it took seven months to get Nancy Woodrum's killer.

01:05:29.520 And I do think that with the full weight of the U.S. government and the technology and the bungling nature of this guy, yeah, I do think we're going to find him.

01:05:40.920 Doug and I, every day, I love Zach Peter.

01:05:44.440 He's been commenting on this case online.

01:05:46.200 I've had him on the program.

01:05:46.980 He's very funny.

01:05:48.060 But he's been helping draw attention to this.

01:05:49.600 and he keeps saying, where's the lady? They never found the lady, you know? And it's like,

01:05:56.180 Doug and I say that to each other, where's the lady? Like, it's just a short form way of keeping

01:05:59.620 her in our thoughts. They have to find the lady. They have to. Like America has become obsessed

01:06:04.420 with finding this particular lady for a bunch of reasons. And I just feel like they can get the

01:06:08.520 perp that the odds go way up of finding the lady, of finding poor Nancy. Maybe they cut a deal.

01:06:14.100 Maybe they shave something off the punishment, but we've got to find Nancy. All right. The last

01:06:17.940 Arizona has death penalty, right?

01:06:19.420 Arizona has death penalty.

01:06:20.800 So that's something you can dangle.

01:06:22.500 You can dangle death penalty and say, you give us the location.

01:06:26.080 Because not every day do you get the guy who came in and just coughed up every detail about the Nancy Woodrum murder.

01:06:33.060 Last but not least, Ashley, Savannah's got to return to the NBC set soon.

01:06:38.280 And the reports are that they're having lots of meetings, of course, as they would at NBC.

01:06:41.840 They have 10 meetings for everything.

01:06:44.200 How should it be orchestrated?

01:06:45.540 how do they make it easy for Savannah? How do they make it easy for an audience that now is

01:06:50.440 looking at Savannah as a crime victim primarily to start to see her again as a news anchor?

01:06:55.820 And I wonder if you have any thoughts on that. You worked at NBC for a long time.

01:07:00.560 I have to ask you because you and I talked about this before together on the air. NBC is not

01:07:07.800 super chummy and always a family and so nice and so good to everybody. There are all sorts of

01:07:12.820 cutthroat dynamics that will be going on behind the scenes, even though this is a Savannah Guthrie

01:07:18.400 case, even though this is her mother, even though there's a bunch of empathy for Savannah. Like,

01:07:22.940 I'm sorry, but network news is just a toxic stew. And the nastiness toward you by Katie Couric made

01:07:29.880 national news. She wrote about in her book how she did not want to help you. Sorry. I just like,

01:07:33.840 it's just relevant because I've been trying to tell the audience, you're going to be manipulated

01:07:38.560 by the producers at NBC. They're working on it right now. And she admitted that she did it to

01:07:44.200 you. You were so graceful about it, by the way. You were so kind. You were like, you're Canadian.

01:07:48.240 You're a nice person. You were like, oh, I'm sad to hear that she did that to me.

01:07:52.400 I would handle it a different way entirely, but you're a nicer person than I am.

01:07:56.420 So just having said all that, what do you think the challenges are and how do you think this is

01:08:00.340 likely to be handled? You know, it's a really good question because you're right. I think the

01:08:06.720 viewers will be seeing her as a victim, and she's got to get back to a new normal. But adopting your

01:08:13.200 new normal, it's really tricky. And I can only speak from the experience of having been a victim

01:08:20.220 in 9-11, that life was completely different afterwards. And I think probably it's PTSD,

01:08:26.700 but I, for years, would break into tears at the mention of 9-11 in front of a crowd. And it was

01:08:34.940 it was humiliating. It was embarrassing. Like I remember getting up to do one of my first speeches

01:08:38.740 in New York City. It was probably a year afterwards. I come back from war and suddenly

01:08:44.480 it just came over me and it wasn't even a topic about 9-11. And I just started to cry on stage

01:08:49.740 and it was so embarrassing. And that was my biggest struggle was to try to get back to my

01:08:57.180 old normal and, you know, understanding that my new normal is going to come along for the ride,

01:09:01.960 you know. And so for Savannah, for her, it's going to be really hard, you know, to be under

01:09:08.880 the microscope those first few times. And then for the producers, I don't know. I honestly,

01:09:14.600 this is such weird territory. I don't know what's best probably to do packages. And for viewers who

01:09:19.880 are watching right now, packages are what you do when you tape things and you edit pretty pictures,

01:09:24.240 much like you saw those lovely things with her mom. They're not live. And you can break down

01:09:29.220 and you can take a moment and then get back, you know, get your wits about you and continue.

01:09:33.860 And so I'm assuming that maybe her return in the beginning won't be a lot of live because live is 0.53

01:09:40.360 where it's just so unpredictable and the pressure. Yeah. The pressure and the emotion, all of it is

01:09:47.120 just so much. So keeping her limited in the live and more on tape with packages and interviews

01:09:53.400 that might've been pre-taped, that might be the easier way for her, but she will get through it.

01:09:57.740 She will have her life back, but this will be the worst knowing hole for her.

01:10:03.860 And for that reason, you're right.

01:10:04.780 They better find the lady. 0.97

01:10:06.920 You mentioned the 9-11 thing.

01:10:08.960 I've got to tell the audience this story.

01:10:10.640 You know this story because I've told it to you on the air before.

01:10:12.940 But you on 9-11 is the reason I am sitting here.

01:10:17.240 I was an unhappy lawyer.

01:10:19.060 I was in Chicago.

01:10:20.600 I was considering a career change.

01:10:22.520 I didn't know what I wanted to do.

01:10:24.320 And 9-11 happened.

01:10:25.380 And of course, like everybody else in America who wasn't in New York, I had the TV on and I was

01:10:30.220 watching NBC and there you were. You were covered in the dust from the buildings falling and you

01:10:37.720 were the consummate professional. You did such an amazing job. And I thought to myself for the first

01:10:44.580 time, journalism is a public service. Like this person is at great risk right now. And she's on

01:10:50.800 the air like a complete pro delivering the news without being overly emotional, without making it

01:10:56.320 about yourself. That is the cloud that we were in just about 45 minutes ago or so. At the time we

01:11:03.540 were there, when the first trade tower came down, my producer and I were overcome by the cloud of

01:11:10.500 debris and smoke that came at us so rapidly. We had to break down a window to an apartment

01:11:16.020 building we had to break the window and and go into the second door inside just to breathe oh

01:11:20.820 my god look behind us please pan in this way please be careful of your baby this is it that's

01:11:25.700 the building oh my god oh my god oh my god no no listen we'll be all right we'll be all right

01:11:37.700 all right we're gonna have to move this way we're gonna have to move we're gonna have to move that

01:11:40.260 cloud is coming this way from here down on the ground level in manhattan what some of the things

01:11:44.500 things that have been collected from the street can show us. I don't know if you can zoom into

01:11:47.040 here, Michael, but these papers were collected from one and two World Trade Center. The headers

01:11:53.140 on them say those addresses here, the 81st floor deliveries, the 87th floor deliveries,

01:11:57.800 the 90th floor, the 92nd floor, what kind of parcels have come in. They were found scattered

01:12:02.300 within a mile. And that was the day I decided I wanted to try my hand at this new profession

01:12:08.840 because of you. And that's one of the many reasons why it's so annoying to hear people

01:12:12.840 talk about you like, you don't know what you're talking about. Like, no, no, no, this is a pro.

01:12:15.900 She is the most professional you can get in this industry. And I had never thought of you

01:12:23.420 as a crime victim. What I was seeing that day was a crime victim or that you would have lasting

01:12:29.680 PTSD after everything that happened that day. But of course you would. Of course it did have a

01:12:35.600 lasting effect on you. No, I didn't see it that way for decades. I'm not kidding.

01:12:39.380 Yeah, no, it's jarring.

01:12:40.360 I didn't either.

01:12:41.240 But I hope you know, like when you think about your legacy from that day and the trauma that was caused, part of your legacy is sitting right here and is extremely grateful to you for your courage.

01:12:50.780 Well, it's very kind. 0.84

01:12:51.780 The truth is I was shit scared. 0.79

01:12:53.440 So I don't know how any of that wasn't coming through. 0.93

01:12:56.220 And it was just sort of, you know, necessity is the mother of invention.

01:12:59.680 You got to get on the air, just get it done.

01:13:01.300 But I never thought of myself as a crime victim ever until recently because I realized, oh, yeah, you can't sort of be involved in the death of 2,000 people, more than that, and have them all around you and realize you just narrowly escaped it and then stayed in there for nine days without having some effect on you.

01:13:23.620 you know? And I knew that the crying was, you know, was a result of it. I just didn't realize

01:13:28.640 I didn't think of it as being a victim. I just thought of it as like, what an awful experience

01:13:32.960 I had to go through as a reporter. But lately, I've thought of it as like, yeah, you were a

01:13:37.460 victim before you were a reporter. So you became the reporter after you, you know, escaped that

01:13:41.600 shit. But I'll tell you, PTSD is real for people in the public eye who suddenly have to face people 1.00

01:13:50.800 live. It comes at you, and you just don't even know it's coming, and it seconds, and it's on

01:13:57.360 you. So for that, I really hope Savannah doesn't have any of those moments because they're

01:14:02.540 impossible to control. I was on an airplane, the first airplane I took out of New York City

01:14:07.600 nine days after 9-11 on my way to Pakistan. And I was sitting up against the window, and it flew

01:14:13.260 over, it flew over, you know, the World Trade Center pit. And I just burst into tears. The

01:14:20.900 man beside me was like, ma'am, are you okay? And I was hiding my face against the window because I

01:14:24.640 was so embarrassed. I didn't know what was happening. This wasn't me. I'd never had that

01:14:28.480 happen before. I could not stop. And it was heaving like a kid who's hyperventilating after

01:14:33.180 crying so long. I couldn't stop. And I thought, I don't know what the hell that was, but that

01:14:39.980 better not happen again. And it did. It happened for years. It doesn't happen now, but it happens

01:14:45.360 for years. So for that reason, I hope Savannah gets a lot of help and limits the live for a while. 0.96

01:14:51.000 I agree with you. Baby steps back onto that set and into the public eye.

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01:15:49.600 what matters. Such a pleasure talking to you, Ashley. Thank you for all the great work you've

01:15:54.600 done on this case, and thanks for coming on, as always. We should do this more. Totally. Anytime.

01:16:00.480 I would love it. And make sure you check out Ashley's show, which I'm sure you have if you're

01:16:04.580 interested in this case. She's wonderful. She consumes Brian Enten the way I consume her show,

01:16:09.520 and I love Brian Enten's shows as well. And thanks to all of you for joining us for our week of

01:16:14.920 special Nancy Guthrie coverage. Of course, we are going to stay on this case, and we are going to

01:16:19.260 be staying on the news. And I will finally return from my undisclosed location on Monday, and we

01:16:26.020 will be live again on politics and news and this and anything else that comes our way. Until then,

01:16:31.420 have a great weekend. Thanks to all of you.

01:16:34.580 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

01:16:36.640 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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Unanswered Questions, Savannah's ＂Today＂ Return - Part 4 of Megyn Kelly Investigates Nancy Guthrie's Disappearance ｜ Ep. 1278

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