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00:08:28.340Go to donewithdebt.com. That's donewithdebt.com. Ashley, great to see you again. It is chilling
00:08:35.460now, like with the benefit of hindsight, to see how much was disclosed about Nancy.
00:08:40.560Yeah, but you know something? I don't think there's a person among us who works in TV that hasn't done a segment like that or a few segments like that. And seeing it all mashed up together certainly does give you pause. And I just have this sinking feeling that's probably the last time you're going to see those kinds of segments because there's going to be such a chill.
00:09:03.580Mm-hmm. I mean, having been at the Today Show for a year and a half, I can say I also put my
00:09:11.580mom in the air. She would come down to the set at the Today Show, and we had a funny segment called
00:09:17.740Ask Linda because my mom is very funny. And she would answer viewer mails. We weren't disclosing
00:09:24.260a ton of her personal identifying information. But I have to be honest, you didn't even think
00:09:31.440about it. Like, when it comes to, like, going upward in the line, you're not even thinking
00:09:35.720that there's a danger until Nancy. Like, you're always thinking downward in the line about your
00:09:40.180children, you know, your immediate sort of family. But, like, this is a new way of torturing somebody,
00:09:46.200this hurting of the moms. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm still of the conviction this is not somebody who
00:09:52.440is obsessed with Savannah. Because, Megan, you and I have been on TV a long time, and there are all
00:09:58.240sorts of communications that come our way, many of them from jails. You know, we have a lot of
00:10:02.500letters from jail. And typically, the fascination starts with us, and then might actually move out
00:10:09.900in the concentric circles. But it doesn't just start with a member of the family. It doesn't.
00:10:16.060I think that this is something that's going to end up being far more simple than we all
00:10:20.980imagined. We're all imagining all kinds of different scenarios. But it nevertheless does
00:10:27.860give us pause about our families and what we put on the air about our families. I've done multiple
00:10:33.480segments about my mom over the years. You know, we're proud of our parents. We want to show them
00:10:37.980off. We want to show them, you know, if you're wondering what made this, there you go. It's over
00:10:42.680there. Yeah. Yeah. I know. My mom is hilarious. And it's like the thought of never having shared
00:10:48.640her with anybody just seems so wrong because people need to know her. But it is a good sort
00:10:53.220of reminder, maybe edit around the edges. They don't need another maiden name. They don't need
00:10:58.100to have it highlighted over and over what town they live in, especially because you have to
00:11:03.280worry about, did you put the same layers around your mom that you did around yourself? And
00:11:08.480especially now, now that this idea has been introduced, it's even more disturbing. So
00:11:12.740I don't know. I feel for her because these are risks that didn't look like risks at the time
00:11:18.780she took them. And now in retrospect, this is one of the many things she's got to worry about
00:27:42.700And the second point I was going to make about it, Ashley, is not only does she get this warning six weeks later from the sheriff, but she gets it just at the time that all the media is gone.
00:28:09.960Thank God that there are enough media who decided to really follow this case, right, and report what was happening on this day one that Sheriff Nanos says he's known everything since.
00:28:23.680And shame on those who shat on me for saying this was where their focus was because maybe their focus was wrong.
00:28:32.560because if what Nanos is saying now is true,
00:29:01.460Because if my parents were living in that neighborhood, I would have wanted them to know what was going on, not whatever platitudes the sheriff was choosing to say that day.
00:29:13.060And also the nerve of like that one local Democratic representative who I can't remember her name right now, but she was like, get out, get out, independent media, go home.
00:29:23.200The nerve, as you know, having been in the crime business for a long time, and I cover a lot of
00:29:29.560crime too, just to give my legal background, every missing family, every family in America that has
00:29:35.440a missing person would give their eye teeth to have that kind of coverage, independent broadcast
00:29:41.240or otherwise of their missing loved one. That's how you put pressure on law enforcement.
00:29:46.680Yeah, I have 40,000 reasons why that idiot shouldn't be in office. They're called tips. They came into the FBI and they came into the homicide unit of the local sheriff. But for that coverage that she disdains so much, I dare say that those tips wouldn't even have gotten into the thousands.
00:30:08.040And like you said, ask any family of a missing person.
00:30:38.040Does she have a missing loved one? Is it her mom who's missing? No. I didn't hear the Guthrie's
00:30:43.200say, get out, and we don't want any more independent media covering this case. I think
00:30:46.720every family in America that has lost somebody and they don't know what happened to them would
00:30:51.220love to have the JLR investigates and the Brian Entons and the Ashley Banfields and the Megan
00:30:57.180Kellys of the world covering this nonstop. Ask Ed Smart. Ed Smart also had the microscope on him.
00:31:05.180I remember the awfully awkward and uncomfortable interview I did with Ed and Lois Smart in Salt Lake City in the first few weeks of Elizabeth's disappearance because the entire focus was on him.
00:31:18.040Not the entire, but a very, very deep part of that investigation was on Ed.
00:31:21.840And the media was asking questions about Ed as well.
00:31:25.320And Ed never said, get rid of the media.
00:31:28.760Ed stood up and was in front of the media asking, find Elizabeth, find Elizabeth, find Elizabeth.
00:31:47.760It's how investigations go, and it sucks.
00:31:50.220But you get that added benefit of all those eyeballs when your story goes viral.
00:31:55.260So it is, again, any family will tell you of a missing child.
00:31:59.180They would take the awful for the great of media scrutiny any day when their loved one's missing.
00:32:04.860I want to ask you about a bunch of things about this case that are bothering me and other people, and just get your quick takes.
00:32:10.880The fact that Sheriff Nounos would not accept the help of any search group.
00:32:14.440These storied, smart, organized, successful search groups that you and I have seen go into many missing person cases and do grid searches and really help, repeatedly said no to those groups and didn't organize his own civilian team to do a grid search.
00:32:32.440You know, because with the volunteers that you get on a case like this, you have way more bodies than you have in a police department or an FBI.
00:32:43.780You know, if I give him the benefit of the doubt, he doesn't want to compromise evidence that's out there.
00:32:48.940But if the evidence just – if a tree falls in the forest, you know.
00:32:52.580And it's frustrating because groups like the Cajun Navy, they're oftentimes made up of a lot of former law enforcement and people who have training like this.
00:33:00.920And they are savvy enough to know if you see it, photograph it, call it and don't touch it. And it is stressful because if we are looking for Nancy Guthrie, who may no longer be with us, then someone needs to be looking. The desert is very big.
00:33:17.260It would be helpful to be able to get closure in this case, maybe even some evidence because anything that would be with her could provide clues, right?
00:33:27.160It could provide skin, hair, fibers from someone else's clothes.
00:33:32.980Lots of cases have been actually solved through someone else's fibers from their shirt, you know, or a piece of tape because tape is an amazing little grabber of DNA and skin cells and hair.
00:33:44.760Just ask the Long Island serial killing suspect.
00:33:47.760That's how he ended up behind bars because of the tape and all the shit that got stuck to the tape from allegedly his home.
00:33:54.960So, yeah, I feel like if we had people searching the desert, like maybe they could search Gilgo Beach, we might actually be able to find some resolution in this case.
00:34:05.920Whether you think this was a thorough investigation of the crime scene in the initial days?
00:34:15.520No. I mean, I don't think 24 hours is quite enough.
00:34:20.900Crime scene was released and the search was called off all on Monday.
00:34:31.560February 2nd is Nanos' big news conference, his first one, where he says, we're calling off the search and we're going to treat this like a crime scene now, but released it to the family and the pizza delivery guy and the reporters who walked up and saw the evidence of blood on the front doorstep and whoever else showed up.
00:34:49.300I mean, everybody showed up. And so it's very frustrating to see the subsequent searches by the FBI and other CSI teams long after the fact.
00:34:59.580Will it give them answers? I don't know. Did somebody step on the footprint that might have been the footprint of this monster? Probably. Did anybody decide to take the front mat? Did anybody decide to take the actual bracket that the nest cam was on? No, not for a couple weeks.
00:35:17.560And P.S., when you take something out of your mouth, like, I don't know, a bite light, your saliva is all over your little gloves that you thought you were protecting your fingers from so perfectly.
00:35:26.000And then you mess with that actual nest cam and your DNA gets all over the bracket.
00:35:32.060The bracket was up for two weeks until finally the white-tented day revealed that it had finally been gone.
00:35:38.000So, no, I don't think it was processed appropriately.
00:35:41.540And what frustrates me about that, again, benefit of the doubt and grace here, when
00:35:46.240you don't know that you're dealing with a crime like this and you think it's just a
00:35:50.180missing person like General McCasland, you know, in New Mexico, you think maybe he's
00:35:54.340wandered off or I know they don't think he has, but you don't treat it like a crime scene
00:36:05.240Well, listen, not even in the first hours.
00:36:06.680My source said that those droplets that you're showing right now are mimicked inside the same pattern that you're seeing there, straight up and down, except for that sort of aspiration-looking one.
00:36:15.900Those same patterns are mimicked inside the house.
00:36:18.360And that when the patrolman arrived for the phone call from the family saying, we think our mom is missing and we need help, the patrolmen were told by some other officers who arrived, get out.
00:36:32.680we have something much different on our hands than a missing elderly woman. They saw, according
00:36:38.560to my sources, the back door wide open. They saw the blood in the house. Unfortunately, I can't
00:36:43.520tell you where. I wish I knew, but my source didn't have the knowledge of where exactly those
00:36:48.320blood drops inside the house were. But if I were a guessing man, it's likely in that front entrance
00:36:52.860area because they were aware right away, according to my source, that back door's wide open, blood
00:36:59.220drops are here. Blood drops go out the front. Get out. Don't compromise the scene anymore. We need
00:37:03.520to bring homicide in. And that all happened within minutes, as my source told me. I mean,
00:37:08.460walk us through what you think that means, because it seems pretty clear that this guy did not get
00:37:12.140in through the front door. You know, it had that gate on it that made it virtually impenetrable,
00:37:16.460according to virtually everybody. There was actually a soundbite from the neighbor,
00:37:20.660that same woman, Laura, with Brian Enten. And here's what she had to say about that gate.
00:37:25.120We've had law enforcement experts on here talking about that gate. I want to get one of those gates,
00:37:28.780but they're saying you basically if you have that on your front door no one's getting through here
00:37:31.780it is it's not 12 and i don't like to speculate and i always also assumed it was two people
00:37:36.800um because of the person who was at the front door and he was standing there and i don't think
00:37:46.120he was the main person i think he was the guy outside who was waiting for them to come out
00:37:51.960because if you have a gate like that a security gate on the front door you're not getting into
00:37:59.460that you're never going to break into that security gate i mean i i actually talked to a
00:38:03.820security guy about two or three weeks three weeks ago and he confirmed you're not breaking into
00:38:09.200those gates um so i think and you know she has glass on both sides of the door and i think he
00:38:16.340was trying to see and so when he was standing there he wasn't trying to figure out what to do
00:38:20.500he was trying to look in to see what was going on. And also, because you have a security gate,
00:38:26.280the door, the wooden door, if that's open, it's hard to see inside if it's dark,
00:38:31.360because I have one of those. You can't really see if the door is open or not. So I think he
00:38:35.060was standing there waiting for someone to come out. Very interesting theory. Would dovetail as
00:38:39.700well with the speculation that possibly that item we see in the perpetrator's pocket is a walkie
00:38:44.100talkie. We don't know. It could be a police scanner. It could be something else entirely.
00:38:47.580but if there was a second person would work and with your theory would work because it does seem
00:38:53.400clear that the perpetrator actually gained access to the house through the back door at least that
00:38:57.220seems clear to me because clearly they had nancy we know that's her blood on the front porch
00:39:01.480when they went out the front door so they when they had nancy she exited through that front door
00:39:06.680and i accept that he was not able to get into that front door um on his own so is that what we think
00:39:13.320Ashley, he came in through the back door. You said you saw signs of force, not you, but your
00:39:17.540source said there were signs of forced entry. So that's how they got in. And then they brought
00:39:21.060Nancy out the front and presumably into a car. Correct. I mean, that's what the source said.
00:39:26.820In my opinion, based on the knowledge of this back door being wide open, blood being inside,
00:39:32.940blood being outside in the same pattern, it kind of looks as though they were in the house
00:39:37.500and came out through that front area, that front door, and yeah, you're not getting in through one
00:39:44.580of those, you know, security doors. But I don't see why it's like so tricky here, you know, like
00:39:51.360if you see other crimes where people have been taken, it isn't difficult to see how blood can be
00:40:01.140dripped, right? I think about the Nancy Woodrum case. I did a podcast episode on Nancy Woodrum's
00:40:07.320case in Paso Robles, California. And the perpetrator in that case was a rapist. And
00:40:13.420she was, people got really angry when I said elderly, but she was, I think, 62 or 64, I can't
00:40:18.540remember. But on the older side, and vulnerable, living alone, and he broke in and took her out
00:40:25.860the door, up over his shoulder. And there was blood in that case as well. And I disagree with
00:40:31.860Laura in the fact that I do believe this person worked alone, especially with that particular
00:40:36.680theory. People don't typically work with partners when they do that. But I asked the sheriff who
00:40:43.460ran, or the lead investigator who ran the Nancy Woodrum case, well, how hard is it, if God forbid
00:40:50.540Nancy Guthrie were dead, to take her out over your shoulder, one person, 150 pounds of dead
00:40:57.260weight is extraordinarily difficult. And he said, oh, no, it's not. Absolutely not. Not only did
00:41:01.640that perpetrator take her out of her home he also took her a hundred yards off of the road
00:41:10.12050 yards of which was over his shoulder and the last 50 yards of which he dragged her so
00:41:15.240it's entirely possible for one and that guy was only i think five eight he said he was a smaller
00:41:20.100guy so it's not it's not difficult to do that and and it's i mean the case the most bizarre case
00:41:26.740Look it up. It just it mirrors Nancy Guthrie's case so frighteningly, like to a T, even even to the detail of who they caught the perpetrator in that case.
00:41:38.620Yes. Yes, they did. And in the Nancy Guthrie case, I wish, well, listen, I don't know what they're doing specifically, what the FBI is doing specifically to run down leads.
00:41:47.920But in the case of Nancy Woodrum, it took them seven months.
00:41:54.100I mean, listen, we're at what, you know, two and a half or one and a half, you know.
00:42:24.280But then they had male DNA inside Nancy Woodrum's bedroom.
00:42:28.840And everybody that they had looked at, you know, ended up being X'd out because of that.
00:42:33.560But ultimately, Megan, what they did was they went through every single contractor who'd ever been there.
00:42:39.720They also geofenced and found his phone.
00:42:42.720I think since then, criminals are a little bit more savvy about not having their phones with them, not just turned off, but not having them with them.
00:47:42.120you're going to hear from people like Mark Halperin,
00:47:44.200Link Lauren, Maureen Callahan, Emily Drashinsky, Jesse Kelly, Real Clear Politics, and many more.
00:47:50.320It's bold, no BS news, only on the Megyn Kelly channel, Sirius XM 111, and on the Sirius XM app.
00:48:01.480I agree with you. I'm not sure whether Laura's right that he had an accomplice,
00:48:05.960that this was like the man waiting to receive Nancy on the front porch.
00:48:09.660um it that that's not necessarily true he actually that could have been the perp there kind of
00:48:15.920figuring out whether the front door was going to be an option for him and figuring no it's not i'm
00:48:21.480going to go around to the back door where he had more luck with an easier door without the that
00:48:25.760you know that big gate over the front of it and then clearly took nancy out the front yeah you
00:48:29.900go yeah either that or you know if we take our sources at their word and and this is not my
00:48:34.720source only i had a source said this you did everybody had the source that said that those
00:48:38.440two images were taken on different days. The one without the backpack and without the gun was taken
00:48:42.660on a different day than the one with the backpack and with the gun. I'm still not 100% if the day
00:48:46.740isn't just a few hours earlier, because it was a different day a few hours earlier. But I have a
00:48:52.780feeling it's possible that what he was trying to do was just get rid of the camera. I mean,
00:48:57.380it wasn't that I want to get in. I just want to get rid of the camera so that I can bring her out
00:49:02.200without the camera catching all this business of how I walk and how I bend and what if something
00:49:07.500happens and then they see a tattoo or whatever. So I feel like that. Let me ask you that though.
00:49:12.740That's one of the things that's really mystified me about this, the timeline. Because they said
00:49:17.280at 1.47, the cameras went offline. And then at 2.12, image detected. To this moment, I don't
00:49:25.640understand that. Like, you know, there's been discussion, was there a Wi-Fi jammer? At 1.47,
00:49:30.220it turned off the Nest camera. But then at 2.12, was it working? Because we see the images of the
00:49:36.620guy, but those were retrieved images. So, like, do you understand what they're trying to say with
00:49:40.520those two different times? Yeah, it's a bit, you know, tricky. But I do think that the Wi-Fi jammer
00:49:48.100isn't an impossibility. They're temporary, right? And so it is possible that he did a Wi-Fi jamming
00:49:54.980and then started messing around the house and taking out the back lights, right, so that there'd
00:49:59.560be no images if the cameras popped back on. And we know that the cameras are plural. My source
00:50:06.440said from day one cameras plural nest cameras plural smashed and so um if if you think about
00:50:13.140it he could have been around the back he could have jammed the wi-fi at 147 when he arrived
00:50:18.800gone all around the house doing whatever business he wanted to do to make it dark and get rid of
00:50:22.980whatever cameras he could find and this is the last one because this was the one perhaps he
00:50:26.580wanted to to to leave the house with nancy so what i see differently what everyone else sees
00:50:31.780when he comes up with those vines, I see something else. I don't see him trying to hang the vines to
00:50:38.120obscure the camera. That's just silly. I see him taking a vine and testing it. I feel like he's
00:50:43.440testing the strength of it. And then I see him kind of with a fist around those vines. And I
00:50:48.600think he's trying to put the vine between the camera and the mount and yank, and yank that
00:50:54.120camera off because the camera and its mount, its bracket, there's only like an eighth of an inch.
00:50:59.780It was very, very, very narrow. It's almost like a quarter, the width of a quarter in between those two things. We all have them, right? And so it's hard to get your fingers in behind there and pull it. And I think that's what he might have done at the beginning when he, when you saw him, he put his hand over and it felt like he was like, you could see him almost squeezing in the beginning.
00:51:15.800And so then he starts MacGyvering and looking around for some, you know, something he could use to yank it or get between it or to wedge it off.
00:51:23.980And he, you know, gives the inner part of the entrance about a two-second scan and then sees the vine and pulls on that vine.
00:51:31.960And I feel like he's sort of testing the strength of it.
00:51:34.060And then I feel like he might be trying to yank the camera off.
00:51:38.600In any case, Michael Ruiz from Fox Digital said in one of his early reports, I think in week two, I think, that there were small glass fragments below where the Nest Cam was, which would track with what my source said early on, on day one and two and three, that cameras, Nest cameras, right?
00:52:01.020He said Nest cameras, so that ended up being true, right?
00:56:02.140Uh-huh. Like, I know. That's what I'm talking. I'd be like, are you kidding me? Who does this?
00:56:07.560It is four o'clock in the morning. It's dark, whatever. But the bedding ended up unraveling
00:56:13.620and blowing out. So they found some of this bedding and her outfit from the next day. You
00:56:20.340know, she was, she'd laid out her out for the next day. And they found that on the side of the
00:56:23.980highway. I can't remember how many miles it was down the road, not that far, but that's what this
00:56:28.920guy did. He, I mean, they, they, you know what this is reminding me of, Ashley, and you and I
00:56:33.360talked about this at the time of the Kohlberger arrest. And once we found out it was him,
00:56:38.240this weird combination of very smart decisions and very dumb ones, the same person. Yes,
00:56:45.780Yes, exactly. And you can have somebody who, arguably, Koberger is bright enough to get into a PhD program, but what a moron. He carried his phone like a brick. And, you know, we all know that your apps keep running.
00:56:58.640Orders the knife on Amazon. Drives his own car to a killing. What? Anyway, all these things, you know, people, as we learn of these crimes, it's why reporting on them is so important. You know, you've got to know what these people are doing so you can protect yourself against them.
00:57:13.660And we can get better at crime fighting.
00:59:02.460Well, I am. She did it. That's my strong opinion.
00:59:05.260She said she didn't. Because you know what would be amazing is if you got sued for libel and then you get all discovery and you get to actually talk about the case with her, right?
00:59:13.660She can't sue me for libel. It's my opinion that she did it. It's my opinion that she did it.
00:59:18.920So in the Casey Anthony case, I often say, because I sat through every second of that case in the courtroom, and I often say that case was not won by a defense attorney.
00:59:32.980It was lost by terrible prosecutors who were egotistical and overstepped, except for one named George, who was amazing.
01:00:31.300And I just think he struck a really lucky vein in that there was a confluence of circumstances that were in his favor, not by his design.
01:00:41.840By the way, earlier this week on our program, Chad Ayers, he's also a former SWAT.
01:00:47.500He said he has a boots on the ground source in Arizona who told him there are no suspects and that the family has all past polygraphs, quote, with flying colors.
01:00:58.400um so i have that too believe it or not i cut the same i go a little further on that my source said
01:01:04.460yeah telling that and and i and i i haven't reported this yet because i'm still trying to
01:01:09.320put my finger on it um and this was actually like i want to say two and a half weeks ago
01:01:15.000my source said that the family was all given polygraphs they must have been given those
01:01:20.360polygraphs in the um the home that they were staying in the private home they were staying
01:01:23.680because they didn't march them into the sheriff's department to do that and typically those
01:01:27.860polygraphs aren't given from what I understand in the sheriff's department anyway, but they must
01:01:30.740have taken the gear to the home where they were at. But my source said that they cleared the family
01:01:37.060based on polygraph tests and voluntarily turning over their electronic devices. And I thought,
01:01:49.160well, that's odd. That's not typically how you clear somebody. I would turn over any device
01:01:54.400that I didn't use in a crime. It's just a weird thing to do. And polygraphs, as you know,
01:02:00.380they're great investigative tools, but you can't use them in court. They don't stand up in court
01:02:04.780because they're just, they're not the kind of technology that is as trustworthy as, you know.
01:02:09.180Well, the other thing is, if I'm Savannah Guthrie, and I know very well that my family has been,
01:02:16.060you know, mentioned as possibly involved in this, and I don't believe they were involved at all,
01:02:19.440I would make sure I had the best lawyer money could buy for when they came out and sat with
01:02:25.540my sister and my brother-in-law. And I don't, I'm not sure who would have selected the poly
01:02:30.280polygrapher. You know, I, I really don't like, you don't have to do it. You could say, well,
01:02:34.900we'll do it, but it has to be somebody that we find. And probably the cops would have said,
01:02:38.700okay, I feel like now this would have been like, that's fine by me. So we actually don't know the
01:02:42.360specifics of that. Like the more I think about this whole week, I've been wrestling with that
01:02:45.040news. Like, do I believe in this? Does it change my opinion of whether the family might possibly
01:02:49.260have had some involvement. I don't believe Annie Guthrie or Tomas were able to fool a polygraph.
01:02:55.680That doesn't seem likely with like a poet and a band member, like they've got some stone cold
01:03:02.680ice in their veins. I just don't know about that, but I'm not sure it's determinative of whether
01:03:07.560they're no longer under suspicion or not either. Yeah. I don't know. There are some FBI sources
01:03:15.160of a colleague of mine who told her that the FBI doesn't feel the level of suspicion about
01:03:22.580the family members as much as they did in the beginning. But again, that's hard to quantify.
01:03:29.200But I just feel like if you were so gung-ho in the early part of the investigation about this
01:03:36.340family, to the extent that you did the things you did, and then halfway through the investigation,
01:03:41.260you wanted to clear them, then clear them, you know, don't drag things out and toy with the
01:03:49.320media and obfuscate because it doesn't do them any good. And so it seems that Sheriff Nanos has
01:03:56.340had, you know, a special place in his heart for the Guthrie family. He even said as much as,
01:04:01.320and I'll paraphrase here, like Savannah's Tucson's daughter, and we love this family,
01:04:05.800which I also thought, look, that's fine if you feel that way, but you have to do, you got a job
01:04:09.740to do. You have a job to do. And in the beginning of an investigation like that, in any missing
01:04:15.540person's investigation, you have to start with the family. It's just 101. As sad and as difficult
01:04:20.800as it is, it's 101. You've got a job to do. So you shouldn't be making those kinds of comments.
01:04:26.900You shouldn't be telling everybody how special this family is that you're supposed to be
01:04:31.460investigating. You should just stick to the damn work and do the work. And after it's all resolved,
01:04:37.880have a coffee party or do whatever. But in the meantime, that doesn't give people a lot of
01:04:42.980faith in, you know, your focus on this. No, no one has faith. I know you have to run. So I just
01:04:50.140want to ask you two quick questions if you can spare the time. Number one, quickly, do you think
01:04:54.360this case will be solved? So I do. I actually really do. Like you and I were just talking
01:05:00.940This guy is not Mensa. He's done some things, and it will trip him up. Whether we are going to ever find Nancy is a different question. I'm not 100% sure about that. Given the Woodrum case and what I learned in the Woodrum case, it was very disheartening in that regard. And for that, my heart breaks for the Guthrie family.
01:05:23.080But I do think we're, like I said, it took seven months to get Nancy Woodrum's killer.
01:05:29.520And I do think that with the full weight of the U.S. government and the technology and the bungling nature of this guy, yeah, I do think we're going to find him.
01:05:40.920Doug and I, every day, I love Zach Peter.
01:05:44.440He's been commenting on this case online.
01:12:41.240But I hope you know, like when you think about your legacy from that day and the trauma that was caused, part of your legacy is sitting right here and is extremely grateful to you for your courage.
01:12:53.440So I don't know how any of that wasn't coming through.
01:12:56.220And it was just sort of, you know, necessity is the mother of invention.
01:12:59.680You got to get on the air, just get it done.
01:13:01.300But I never thought of myself as a crime victim ever until recently because I realized, oh, yeah, you can't sort of be involved in the death of 2,000 people, more than that, and have them all around you and realize you just narrowly escaped it and then stayed in there for nine days without having some effect on you.
01:13:23.620you know? And I knew that the crying was, you know, was a result of it. I just didn't realize
01:13:28.640I didn't think of it as being a victim. I just thought of it as like, what an awful experience
01:13:32.960I had to go through as a reporter. But lately, I've thought of it as like, yeah, you were a
01:13:37.460victim before you were a reporter. So you became the reporter after you, you know, escaped that
01:13:41.600shit. But I'll tell you, PTSD is real for people in the public eye who suddenly have to face people
01:13:50.800live. It comes at you, and you just don't even know it's coming, and it seconds, and it's on
01:13:57.360you. So for that, I really hope Savannah doesn't have any of those moments because they're
01:14:02.540impossible to control. I was on an airplane, the first airplane I took out of New York City
01:14:07.600nine days after 9-11 on my way to Pakistan. And I was sitting up against the window, and it flew
01:14:13.260over, it flew over, you know, the World Trade Center pit. And I just burst into tears. The
01:14:20.900man beside me was like, ma'am, are you okay? And I was hiding my face against the window because I
01:14:24.640was so embarrassed. I didn't know what was happening. This wasn't me. I'd never had that
01:14:28.480happen before. I could not stop. And it was heaving like a kid who's hyperventilating after
01:14:33.180crying so long. I couldn't stop. And I thought, I don't know what the hell that was, but that
01:14:39.980better not happen again. And it did. It happened for years. It doesn't happen now, but it happens
01:14:45.360for years. So for that reason, I hope Savannah gets a lot of help and limits the live for a while.
01:14:51.000I agree with you. Baby steps back onto that set and into the public eye.
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01:15:49.600what matters. Such a pleasure talking to you, Ashley. Thank you for all the great work you've
01:15:54.600done on this case, and thanks for coming on, as always. We should do this more. Totally. Anytime.
01:16:00.480I would love it. And make sure you check out Ashley's show, which I'm sure you have if you're
01:16:04.580interested in this case. She's wonderful. She consumes Brian Enten the way I consume her show,
01:16:09.520and I love Brian Enten's shows as well. And thanks to all of you for joining us for our week of
01:16:14.920special Nancy Guthrie coverage. Of course, we are going to stay on this case, and we are going to
01:16:19.260be staying on the news. And I will finally return from my undisclosed location on Monday, and we
01:16:26.020will be live again on politics and news and this and anything else that comes our way. Until then,
01:16:31.420have a great weekend. Thanks to all of you.
01:16:34.580Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.