The Megyn Kelly Show - October 19, 2021


Vaccine Mandates, Supply Chain Crisis, and CRT in Middle School, with Eric Bolling and Ramona Bessinger ｜ Ep. 184


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 26 minutes

Words per Minute

178.92516

Word Count

15,518

Sentence Count

1,100

Misogynist Sentences

25

Hate Speech Sentences

19


Summary

A middle school teacher who says she is being punished, harassed, and threatened for speaking out against critical race theory. A cop in Washington State resigns after 22 years of service because he refuses to comply with a new law mandating that all first responders be vaccinated.


Transcript

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.
00:00:12.140 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. We have a great lineup for you today.
00:00:16.920 Later, we're going to be joined by a middle school teacher who says she is being punished, harassed, and now threatened for speaking out against critical race theory.
00:00:25.780 She says she's seeing an increased hatred towards America in her school by design, and she's refusing to remain quiet about all of it.
00:00:35.140 And it appears that her school is retaliating against her for being so outspoken.
00:00:40.520 She will join us in a fascinating interview.
00:00:42.900 And speaking of refusing to back down in the face of pressure, the stand against vaccine mandates is spreading.
00:00:48.800 Americans in all different types of jobs are saying enough is enough, and it's time now for them to either get the vax underneath these mandates or be fired.
00:00:59.500 And more and more folks are choosing to walk or to force their employers to make them walk.
00:01:05.960 Joining me now to discuss it and all the day's headlines is my pal Eric Bolling, host of The Balance on Newsmax.
00:01:13.280 Eric, great to have you here.
00:01:14.400 So there's so much to go over.
00:01:16.140 I want to get to definitely in a little bit the supply chain problems and the inflation and the money, because you always explain that to me in ways that even I can understand.
00:01:25.380 But let's just start with the crazy vaccine mandates because it's happening, right?
00:01:29.060 They're kicking in.
00:01:30.440 And now we're seeing people meant it when they said they weren't going to be bullied by their employers into getting these.
00:01:38.000 Let me just start with Chicago cops.
00:01:39.540 The vaccine deadline was Friday for them to disclose their VAX status or be vaccinated.
00:01:45.460 30,000 city employees.
00:01:46.900 There are 10,000 cops.
00:01:48.560 And according to the latest numbers, less than 65 percent of the cops have met the reporting requirement.
00:01:54.580 Some 35 percent of the cops have let the deadline pass without complying.
00:02:00.880 And now there's a real question about whether the cops are not going to be on the job in Chicago, one of the deadliest cities in America.
00:02:08.000 My hometown, Megan, it's sad.
00:02:11.820 I watch what's going on week after week prior to this announcement by Mayor Lori Leifel, who, by the way, has violated her own mask mandate countless times, including this past weekend.
00:02:23.480 Yep.
00:02:23.720 Chicago cops are told that they're likely going to go on unpaid leave, which is basically taking their livelihood away from if they're not vaccinated and they can't prove it.
00:02:33.640 And they, like you said, somewhere around a third to a half of them said, we're not going to do it.
00:02:37.960 John Cantazaro is the head of the police union in Chicago, saying we're not going to be told what to do, what to put in.
00:02:44.140 These are the same people, Megan, who were heroes a year ago.
00:02:47.780 Remember, they were the frontline workers, the first responders.
00:02:50.580 They're getting fired.
00:02:53.580 Nurses are being pulled off the floor if they don't have a vaccine passport.
00:02:59.480 They fired 120 nurses in a hospital group right here in New York City.
00:03:05.860 It's incredible.
00:03:07.080 These people have put their lives on the line for America to save our lives, get us back on our feet.
00:03:11.500 And now the Biden administration is pulling their life, their ways, their reasons to live, to make a livelihood.
00:03:20.080 It's insane.
00:03:20.580 Across the board, we just heard a cop in Washington state resign on his microphone, on his, he's calling into it for his very last time.
00:03:29.900 I'm resigning because Governor Inley from Washington governor's mandating cops be vaccinated.
00:03:37.000 Why are we mandating vaccinated?
00:03:38.500 Let's hear that.
00:03:39.820 That's Washington state trooper.
00:03:42.240 His name is Robert LeMay.
00:03:43.960 He went public with his opposition to the vaccine mandate in August.
00:03:47.340 He's skeptical about the safety of the vaccine and long term effects and so on.
00:03:50.860 And here he was piecing out after 22 years as a state trooper.
00:03:57.140 This is my final sign off.
00:03:58.960 After 22 years of serving the citizens of the state of Washington, being asked to leave because I am dirty.
00:04:05.420 I'd like to thank the citizens of Yakima County, as well as my fellow officers within the valley.
00:04:12.900 Without you guys, I wouldn't have been very successful and you've kept me safe and got me home to my family every night.
00:04:19.120 Thank you for that.
00:04:22.520 Wish I could say more, but this is it.
00:04:25.240 So state 1034, this is the last time you'll hear me in a state patrol car and Jay Inslee can kiss my ass.
00:04:33.980 Jay Inslee, governor there.
00:04:35.920 Remember, he went and he ran for president at one point.
00:04:38.740 LeMay is on my show today.
00:04:39.960 And he, you know, not only was he a state trooper for, I believe, 17 or 22 years, he delivered a child on his first shift ever.
00:04:49.420 He said he embraced young officers, young troopers who wanted to come in.
00:04:52.720 He taught them the ropes, kept them safe, kept the people of Washington state safe.
00:04:57.440 And now, after all this, as he points out, Governor Inslee thinks he's dirty.
00:05:02.780 Trooper LeMay is dirty because he won't take a vaccine.
00:05:05.120 He and his wife both choose not to take.
00:05:09.380 They just don't want to do it.
00:05:10.080 We shouldn't make people do things they don't want to do.
00:05:12.400 I would recommend it.
00:05:13.620 I've been vaccinated.
00:05:14.660 I clearly talk about it.
00:05:16.140 But I have a real problem with being mandated.
00:05:19.100 I did it because I'm in this city, this godforsaken hellhole, New York City.
00:05:24.060 Sorry, New Yorkers.
00:05:25.440 I'm in this city and I can't even go to a restaurant unless I show a vaccine passport, a vaccine passport in my pocket.
00:05:31.700 You go anywhere and they want to see it.
00:05:33.640 They want to make sure you're vaccinated.
00:05:35.460 It's really incredibly against our Fourth Amendment rights.
00:05:39.940 It's just incredible what they're doing.
00:05:41.680 Did you laminate your little card?
00:05:43.280 I'm impressed.
00:05:45.560 So CBS, when you get the first and second shot, you can buy this little pouch.
00:05:51.900 Okay, so I will show you mine.
00:05:54.040 I keep all my cards in the back of my phone.
00:05:57.560 And mine is just like crumbled up in a little.
00:05:59.540 Yeah, that's me.
00:06:00.540 And I only even have that because Abby made me because I traveled to Chicago this past week.
00:06:04.940 And she's like, take it with you.
00:06:06.020 You'll never eat out.
00:06:06.980 But actually, they were a lot more lax in Chicago than they were in New York, where they really do make you show that vaccine card.
00:06:11.680 And Megan, they're like, make sure you're not faking it.
00:06:15.400 But yes, it's just incredible.
00:06:16.960 I mean, yeah, you come across a southern border and you're not required to show a vaccine card, nor are you required to get vaccinated.
00:06:22.460 But that's OK.
00:06:23.700 That's fine.
00:06:24.240 And they'll fly people in the middle of the night into our U.S. cities quietly under the guise of darkness and drop illegal immigrants off.
00:06:34.060 That's happening right now.
00:06:35.020 Oh, that's happening between between where you are in New York City and where I am right now in Connecticut at Westchester Airport, which is this small sort of under the radar airport.
00:06:44.920 And the reports are by The New York Post that they've they've flown some 2000 illegal immigrants up there in the in the dark of night between midnight and 6 a.m.
00:06:55.520 I'm sure somebody just tipped off the post because they saw these, you know, undocumented immigrants coming in and they say, oh, no, it's all families.
00:07:04.620 It's all children.
00:07:05.360 But those on the ground are saying, no, there were plenty of young men in their 20s, technically somebody's child.
00:07:11.400 Yes, that doesn't make one a child.
00:07:13.160 And the Biden administration, it seems to be awfully sneaky about it.
00:07:16.860 Ron DeSantis in Florida said, if this is all on the up and up, why so sneaky?
00:07:20.760 And none of those people has had a vaccine.
00:07:22.820 They've been open about the fact that they're not vaccinating these migrants.
00:07:26.360 They're not requiring that of the Afghanistan migrants.
00:07:29.240 They're only requiring that of folks like that trooper and these cops and people who have been helping the country survive this pandemic for the past 18 months.
00:07:39.900 You know, Trooper LeMay.
00:07:41.600 And again, he's going to be on.
00:07:42.860 We have a show at four o'clock.
00:07:44.080 I'm not pitching.
00:07:44.740 I'm simply saying it's.
00:07:45.600 No, but you should watch it.
00:07:46.500 It's a good show.
00:07:47.040 It's Newsmax, 4 p.m.
00:07:48.060 Eric Bolin.
00:07:49.260 Thank you, Meg.
00:07:49.980 But he says he and his wife have chosen not to.
00:07:52.840 They have three young kids.
00:07:54.280 They have three young babies now.
00:07:56.180 Their dad's not making a living.
00:07:57.740 His wife works part time.
00:07:58.960 They don't know what to do, but they did know that they didn't want to be told to take a vaccine that they didn't agree with.
00:08:04.840 They didn't know whether it was vetted enough.
00:08:07.760 Who knows?
00:08:08.040 I'm not making a commentary on whether a vaccine works or not.
00:08:11.340 I'm saying the mandate.
00:08:12.420 So I'm pro-vaccine, anti-mandate.
00:08:14.780 And this guy, this trooper, is putting his career on, his family's livelihood on the line, as is Megan, the ESPN reporter who said, you know what?
00:08:24.960 I don't want to take the vaccine because I'm trying to get pregnant.
00:08:28.080 My doctor said, don't.
00:08:29.540 And Disney, who owns ESPN, says, OK, for a while, you can object medical reasons.
00:08:34.560 But then they said, either you get vaccinated or you're going to have to resign or fire you.
00:08:39.480 Yeah, or you're out.
00:08:40.820 So now, you know me, I don't I don't follow sports that closely, but I do know my fellow reporters.
00:08:45.540 And she's been at ESPN.
00:08:47.320 Her name is Allison Williams for about a decade now.
00:08:50.280 Faithful servant on the sidelines, reporting the games and so on.
00:08:53.100 And now she and her husband are trying to get pregnant with their second baby.
00:08:57.520 And there are a lot of women who are pregnant or trying to get pregnant who have some vaccine hesitancy for obvious reasons.
00:09:06.140 They're amongst the lowest when it comes to the vaccinated in our country.
00:09:10.540 According to stats, my team gave me less than 26 percent of pregnant Americans have received at least one dose of the vaccine because they're worried about their babies.
00:09:19.100 They have a higher calling to protect the unborn and figure out what's safe and what's not safe.
00:09:24.480 And there haven't been that much that many tests on them.
00:09:27.700 But here is Allison Williams of ESPN saying this is a little long, but she's basically saying I'm done.
00:09:34.540 I'm not doing it.
00:09:35.440 My ethics require me to walk from this job.
00:09:37.460 I love. Watch.
00:09:38.720 I have been denied my request for accommodation by ESPN and the Walt Disney Company.
00:09:44.220 And effective next week, I will be separated from the company.
00:09:48.880 I am also so morally and ethically not aligned with this.
00:09:55.260 And I've had to really dig deep and analyze my values and my morals.
00:10:03.600 And ultimately, I need to put them first.
00:10:06.560 And the irony in all this is that a lot of those same values and principles I hold so dear are what made me a really good employee.
00:10:15.380 I don't know what it's like to run a multibillion dollar company and to have shareholders and board members and financial quotas to answer to and not to mention societal and, I'm sure, political pressure.
00:10:26.420 So I respect that their values have changed.
00:10:29.580 I had hoped they would respect that mine did not.
00:10:32.540 And ultimately, I cannot put a paycheck over principle.
00:10:38.360 And I will not sacrifice something that I believe and hold so strongly to maintain a career.
00:10:48.440 And so many of the people who are in the same situation as me are serving society and benefiting this country in ways I could never do.
00:10:57.020 They are nurses.
00:10:58.000 They are teachers.
00:10:58.860 They are doctors.
00:10:59.780 They are police officers and first responders.
00:11:01.760 They are, most importantly, our military.
00:11:05.240 And they, too, are pilots.
00:11:07.280 They, too, are choosing to put their beliefs first.
00:11:11.860 And I just want you all to know I stand with you.
00:11:15.240 But I also want people to know who support these mandates that I fight for you.
00:11:20.600 Because if this is the direction we take our country, there will come a time when the government or corporations mandate you to get something that does not align with your values.
00:11:36.080 The power given is seldom returned.
00:11:38.120 And when that day comes, I want you to at least know that we fought and we tried.
00:11:44.680 Well, we've got chills listening to her.
00:11:48.120 I want to tell the audience, Allison's doing her first broadcast interview with us on Thursday.
00:11:54.460 So very happy she's coming on.
00:11:56.360 We're going to talk about it.
00:11:57.160 But, man, she brings it home at the end there, right?
00:11:59.600 It's not just about the COVID vaccine mandate.
00:12:03.160 It's unbelievable.
00:12:04.320 It's so heart-wrenching the way she describes it.
00:12:06.880 And she's right.
00:12:07.940 It's about not who knows what the next thing is.
00:12:10.720 It's a trial balloon, a weather balloon for something else to see how this flies.
00:12:15.480 They all want control.
00:12:16.720 I'm struck by the way she was emotional because she said, I don't want this for the next generation, right?
00:12:22.820 We had on a pilot.
00:12:24.280 Remember when the pilot spoke out about pilots being mandated to get vaccinated or they're going to be fired?
00:12:30.760 Well, a pilot came on.
00:12:31.520 He went viral with his TikTok pushback.
00:12:34.140 And he came on and he said, you know, I can't really come on because of my wife.
00:12:38.120 And I said, we'll bring her on, too.
00:12:39.860 And she said, well, she's watching the baby.
00:12:41.220 I said, we'll bring the baby on.
00:12:42.460 So I had the pilot, his wife, both are pilots.
00:12:45.260 They're both pilots and they're both refusing to take a shot.
00:12:47.960 And they had the little baby there, the little girl there.
00:12:49.720 She's about three years old.
00:12:50.820 Just gorgeous little family there.
00:12:52.600 And I said, well, you know, here, let me play devil's advocate for a second.
00:12:55.300 I agree with you.
00:12:55.920 But let me just say what I'm hearing.
00:12:57.660 Why don't you just take the vaccine for your family?
00:13:00.120 Look at your beautiful little girl.
00:13:01.140 And he said, I can't.
00:13:02.520 Looked at his wife and she's nodding away.
00:13:04.400 She said, I can't raise her knowing that I caved on something that I was so principled about not wanting to take the vaccine.
00:13:11.780 And that's exactly the heart of this.
00:13:15.680 Whether you agree or disagree or you trust the vaccine or you don't trust the vaccine or you worry that the vaccine will cause some sort of potential birth defects if you do get pregnant or you don't.
00:13:25.700 The point is, if you have a belief in something and you're willing to fight for the belief, the minute you turn that over to the government saying, you know what, I'm not willing to fight for the same thing.
00:13:35.240 They've won and who knows where they'll take it.
00:13:38.000 What's the next level?
00:13:39.120 What's the next thing they'll tell us we have to do or we have to take or we can't get into this restaurant or we can't keep our jobs?
00:13:45.040 It's incredible the amount of control government wants.
00:13:47.840 And this is a Democrat thing.
00:13:50.320 They want to control this aspect of our lives.
00:13:53.040 And it becomes bigger and bigger and bigger.
00:13:55.480 First of all, say, you know, whether you can go watch a game.
00:13:58.200 Then it was, well, can you go out to dinner?
00:13:59.660 Now, we're going to let you know if we're going to let you work or not if you don't take what we say you need to take.
00:14:06.940 It's down to Fauci like, I'll decide whether you have Christmas.
00:14:11.060 I'll decide whether you have Thanksgiving.
00:14:13.120 No, you won't.
00:14:13.840 You won't decide.
00:14:14.780 We'll decide for ourselves.
00:14:16.520 We don't need you to tell us whether we should gather with our family over Christmas.
00:14:20.440 I'm so sick of this bullshit.
00:14:22.820 Honestly, like these federal bureaucrats thinking that they can control our every move.
00:14:27.560 They've already got their hand over my kids mouths all day long at school with these unnecessary masks, which the CDC's own study shows do nothing to stop the spread of covid in children in the school setting.
00:14:42.820 A reality they won't they won't acknowledge.
00:14:45.640 And the thing about Allison, as you listen to her, is she's talking about a hesitancy from somebody who's trying to conceive a baby.
00:14:52.720 The vaccine's only been around for about a year.
00:14:54.940 We don't there haven't been that many generations born by women who have been vaccinated.
00:15:01.640 I understand there's just not enough data to have total confidence for some expectant moms.
00:15:07.620 They tell you don't drink a glass of wine if you're pregnant.
00:15:11.780 Don't have a cigarette after, you know, years and years and decades of studies.
00:15:16.140 But yet they'll tell you this vaccine safe because, wink, wink, we know you bring a Fauci.
00:15:21.040 Who in the world gave Fauci the power to tell anyone whether they can go to Fourth of July this past Fourth of July, Thanksgiving, trick or treating for Halloween and Christmas?
00:15:31.740 Are you kidding me?
00:15:32.500 The guy hasn't been right about anything.
00:15:34.420 First, there was no masks.
00:15:35.520 Then there was one mask.
00:15:36.560 Then there was two masks.
00:15:37.480 The Democrats want control of our lives and they need a useful idiot.
00:15:42.900 You know who the useful idiot is?
00:15:44.320 Anthony Fauci is their useful idiot because he confirms everything they want him to say.
00:15:48.920 He says it and he pushes it and he tells us how deadly life is going to be.
00:15:53.940 Can you imagine if you sit in a college stadium and watch a football game?
00:15:56.780 Everyone's going to die by Christmas time.
00:15:59.320 COVID, guess what?
00:16:00.600 COVID cases are going down.
00:16:01.900 We have 100,000 people packed into stadiums and he was wrong again, yet the media holds him up on a pedestal because the media is complicit.
00:16:09.220 They have a useful idiot in Fauci and the government wants what they want.
00:16:12.660 They want everyone.
00:16:13.860 They want control over what people do.
00:16:15.620 Ultimately, I'll give you one derivative of this.
00:16:18.780 The reason why Democrats want control, the reason why Biden and the administration and likely countless others want control is because it becomes a full circle.
00:16:28.960 Follow the money.
00:16:29.940 This is what I do in my life.
00:16:31.760 Follow the money.
00:16:33.140 Democrats push a vaccine.
00:16:34.860 Vaccines cost a ton of money.
00:16:36.760 We raise money.
00:16:37.660 We print money.
00:16:38.480 We borrow money to create this big bowl of money for COVID, COVID, fighting COVID, whether it's vaccines or PPE or whatever.
00:16:46.420 So the ton of money that we said, okay, here's a bunch of money, fight it.
00:16:49.660 So the Democrats get to throw money at big pharma.
00:16:52.440 Big pharma gets to sell a lot of vaccines and a lot of equipment to fight COVID.
00:16:57.500 What do they do in return?
00:16:58.840 Here's the payoff.
00:16:59.520 Here's the kicker.
00:17:00.640 The biggest donor class to Joe Biden's run for president and to the Democrats.
00:17:06.640 Number one, there's no one that spends more money lobbying than big pharma.
00:17:11.240 They throw money into election coffers and they lobby.
00:17:14.020 They spend more money making sure that they're going to keep this cycle going.
00:17:17.480 And that's how it works.
00:17:18.240 It's all about the money for the Democrats, for the re-elections, it's all about the money for big pharma because they sell a ton of stuff.
00:17:26.660 Look at the best performing companies on Wall Street in the last 18 months.
00:17:30.700 It's Moderna, Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson and the others who provide all the stuff that Democrats tell us we need to have.
00:17:38.000 Hmm.
00:17:38.560 In the meantime, the Biden administration continues to flout its own mandates on all of us.
00:17:43.980 Right.
00:17:44.120 They were the president and Mrs. Biden were in a restaurant in D.C.
00:17:49.580 just last weekend where you do have to have a mask on inside at the restaurant.
00:17:54.360 This stupid ass rule where you have to have it on your face while you walk in.
00:17:57.940 You walk to your table.
00:17:58.760 You can take it off at your table.
00:18:00.160 The virus magically knows to stay just at your table and to not jump to the people passing through, leaving the restaurant or going to the bathroom.
00:18:06.300 It's ridiculous.
00:18:07.720 But hey, it's his team that's forcing these things on us.
00:18:10.800 And if I've got to do it, so does he.
00:18:12.800 But as it turns out, no, he didn't do it and neither did Mrs. Biden.
00:18:17.220 They were walking out of the restaurant in the plain view of everybody and they weren't wearing their masks.
00:18:22.620 So Peter Doocy over at Fox asks Jen Psaki about him flouting the rules that the rest of us for some stupid reason have to follow.
00:18:32.660 We'd rather be like him.
00:18:33.980 Yes, we're with him.
00:18:34.760 Let's take it off.
00:18:35.600 This is pointless.
00:18:36.700 But no, we have to do it.
00:18:38.180 And listen to what Jen Psaki says.
00:18:40.340 President Biden, the first lady, we're not wearing masks while walking around a D.C. restaurant on Saturday.
00:18:47.340 Why?
00:18:48.320 Well, I think what we are referring to is a photo of them walking out of a restaurant after they they had eaten masks in hand where they had not yet put them back on yet.
00:18:57.320 So I would say, of course, there are moments when we all don't put masks back on as quickly as we should.
00:19:03.200 But I don't think we should lose lose a force through the trees here.
00:19:06.320 And that our objective here is to get more people vaccinated, make sure that could that schools and companies around the country can put in place requirements to save more lives and keep people safer.
00:19:18.180 And, you know, not overly focus on moments in time.
00:19:23.560 Don't overly focus on moments in time.
00:19:26.040 And if she goes on to say moments in time that don't reflect overarching policy, that moment in time didn't reflect your overarching party or policy or didn't comply with it, because I think it reflected your policy just just perfectly.
00:19:38.500 But you it didn't comply with it.
00:19:40.600 And the rest of us have to.
00:19:42.460 But the truth is, I had Stephen Crowder on yesterday, Eric.
00:19:44.580 He was saying, think moments like this.
00:19:46.180 You know what they show us?
00:19:46.820 They don't show hypocrisy.
00:19:47.760 They show the truth, which is even he knows it's bull.
00:19:51.320 Even he knows this is all theater.
00:19:56.180 They're all about it.
00:19:57.480 The Democrats are all about bull or I have a hypocrisy bell on the show that we constantly want when something like this happened.
00:20:05.480 And Lori Lightfoot over the weekend was maskless in a venue when she tells us you need a mask.
00:20:11.060 Every weekend.
00:20:11.700 She violates every weekend.
00:20:13.260 Sorry, go ahead.
00:20:13.960 Every week.
00:20:14.480 Gavin Newsom, one of the biggest violators.
00:20:16.780 He has, you know, the French laundry issue.
00:20:19.040 We talked about all about that last year.
00:20:20.940 He's dying in $400 plate restaurants when he's shutting down his own economy.
00:20:24.200 His daughter, his daughter is not vaccinated as he mandates every child of that age to be vaccinated in the state of California.
00:20:32.760 Hypocrisy bells going off left and right.
00:20:34.780 But I believe the biggest one is safe for Congress because Congress is mandating all these liberal Democrats.
00:20:40.620 All these Democrats are mandating.
00:20:41.720 We have the vaccine mask and all these things.
00:20:44.340 You know who's exempt?
00:20:45.620 Who's exempt from the vaccine?
00:20:48.020 Staffers of Congress members.
00:20:50.380 Staffers of Congress are exempt from having to do the things that their lawmaker bosses are mandating.
00:20:56.720 We do or we lose our jobs.
00:20:58.940 It doesn't get any more.
00:20:59.840 I did not know that.
00:21:00.820 Normally, if you're a staffer, they make you do all the stuff.
00:21:03.000 You're the one with the mask while the others don't.
00:21:05.300 It's happening more and more.
00:21:06.240 The Washington State football coach, Nick Rolovich, was just fired.
00:21:09.720 The guy was making three point two million dollars a year.
00:21:12.940 They fired him for cause because he refused to get vaxxed.
00:21:16.600 Other unvaccinated assistant coaches have also been fired.
00:21:20.720 Dan Bongino's over at Cumulus throwing a fit, saying, I got vaccinated.
00:21:24.720 But if you're going to require everybody here to get vaccinated, I'm quitting.
00:21:28.280 He's got 300 stations.
00:21:30.340 We'll see.
00:21:31.240 I mean, there's a similar policy at Fox News, according to what I read.
00:21:37.480 Who knows how far that's going to go?
00:21:39.020 You can touch on that if you want.
00:21:40.660 Yeah.
00:21:40.960 I mean, I do wonder.
00:21:42.540 Third rail here.
00:21:44.180 Yeah.
00:21:44.560 We saw the memo of, I believe it's Kevin Lord, HR, who said that you've got to be vaccinated
00:21:50.020 or you can't come in the building or you're going to be tested.
00:21:53.120 And that right there is, I've rung the hypocrisy bell at Fox News for that right there.
00:21:58.040 Because of all the people, of all the groups pushing back against this type of coercive
00:22:03.080 behavior by businesses and by governments, Fox News, I think, is one of the loudest voices,
00:22:08.100 if not the loudest.
00:22:09.360 And then they do have, and think about this, okay, you can't get in the building.
00:22:13.300 You can't get in the building that you and I used to work in.
00:22:15.940 As you know, there are cameramen, there are producers, there are lighting people who have
00:22:21.140 to be in that building or they can't do their job.
00:22:23.220 So start with the, oh yeah, look at this, mandates suck for everyone else, but not for
00:22:30.020 us.
00:22:30.220 Rules for me, but not for me.
00:22:31.860 I just feel like it's, you know, so it's not like this football coach is exactly working
00:22:36.300 class, but still, reportedly he was tested every day.
00:22:40.860 You're getting tested every day.
00:22:42.400 You're probably not a major threat.
00:22:44.300 And I'm sure you can keep six feet of distance out there during training, but no, it's about
00:22:49.060 control.
00:22:50.220 So this guy gets fired.
00:22:51.780 And to his credit, I mean, stands on principle, just like Allison, um, and, and just like the
00:22:57.660 state trooper who's coming on your show, Robert LeMay, look, it's not that I'm anti-vax.
00:23:02.900 It's that I appreciate people standing by their ethics and taking, taking the cost on personally
00:23:08.880 if that, if that's what it requires.
00:23:11.120 I've, I've been there myself in the past, not on vaccines.
00:23:14.620 It's not easy to do.
00:23:16.100 Go ahead.
00:23:16.440 Do you think any of those Fox on air reporters or talent would, um, quit their jobs if Fox
00:23:24.620 did go one step further and say, you're either mandated to get the vaccine or you can't work
00:23:29.080 here at all anymore?
00:23:29.920 I mean, I don't know.
00:23:31.820 I don't know.
00:23:32.600 I will say, I don't think they should be put in that position.
00:23:35.120 You know, I just don't think, and you, and you should be able to speak out against the
00:23:38.840 mandates without saying, okay, I've got to quit my job.
00:23:42.020 If, if they impose the mandates, I don't really understand what's going on with Bongino there.
00:23:45.920 Um, cause he's only making the threat in the one lane, you know, at Cumulus, but I don't
00:23:49.160 think he's making the threat, uh, with respect to his position at Fox news.
00:23:52.420 Um, but I do think you should be free if you have a microphone, like I do, or like you
00:23:56.740 do, um, to speak out against mandates, uh, without sacrificing your job.
00:24:02.560 The problem is you don't have that freedom.
00:24:04.480 If it's about getting the actual shot, you do have to choose between your livelihood and
00:24:10.300 that needle going in your arm.
00:24:11.700 And, and, you know, as well as I do, Eric, there are people out there who won't even take
00:24:14.100 two Tylenol when they have a headache because they're so attentive to what they put in their
00:24:19.160 bodies.
00:24:19.620 You know, I'm not necessarily that person, but I know lots of them.
00:24:23.440 Yeah.
00:24:24.420 And, and I'm not sure you said this, or I just read this this morning that pregnant women,
00:24:29.880 and I said it, yeah, pregnant women, um, not pregnant people, pregnant women are vaccinated
00:24:36.020 something like 20%.
00:24:37.300 Is that what you said?
00:24:38.200 Or, or did I read that somewhere else?
00:24:40.140 Because of that.
00:24:41.340 Less than 26% of pregnant Americans have received at least one dose.
00:24:45.300 Yeah.
00:24:45.520 Uh, over the years, we've, we've, we've known that putting certain things in your body when
00:24:50.240 you're pregnant ends up affecting the pregnancy, the birth.
00:24:52.720 And we don't want to do that.
00:24:54.200 Then they write, they have a right to say no.
00:24:56.440 What if government says it's met the vaccine mandates today.
00:24:58.860 And, and, and, you know, tomorrow it's, um, I don't know, cold.
00:25:02.400 You're going to, we're going to mandate the flu vaccine and, and then shingles vaccine.
00:25:07.220 And by the way, we're going to have, we're going to have this new thing that we're going
00:25:09.860 to then mandate against another questionable, uh, affliction or disease.
00:25:16.180 Once they, once they, once they gain control over one of them, that there's likely that
00:25:20.460 you open up a Pandora's box, so to speak, of what they will try, what they'll try to
00:25:24.700 do with us.
00:25:25.240 Well, we're there.
00:25:26.060 We're there.
00:25:26.700 I mean, it's happening.
00:25:27.480 People are losing their jobs left and right now that these things are kicking in.
00:25:31.020 Um, listen, there's much more to discuss.
00:25:32.720 Eric Bolling knows a lot, a lot about finance and the economy and what's going on with the
00:25:37.640 supply chain crisis, how it's going to affect your Christmas, how it's going to affect
00:25:41.040 your paycheck and the amount that you are charged at the gas pump and the grocery
00:25:45.400 store.
00:25:45.860 That's next.
00:25:53.040 So Eric, um, I confess for the first time ever, I actually am considering buying my
00:25:58.820 Christmas gifts early.
00:26:00.720 Um, Abby's like, no bull, you don't believe, I don't, she doesn't believe me, but I am,
00:26:05.180 I'm starting to get a little nervous given all these supply chain issues, um, which I
00:26:09.580 want to get into.
00:26:10.260 But, uh, so I want to talk about whether we should do that.
00:26:12.920 And also I need to buy a car.
00:26:14.520 I'm worried about that.
00:26:15.680 And I mentioned this last week, I'm trying to build a studio and I got an estimate on,
00:26:20.100 on how much it would cost exactly 12 months ago.
00:26:22.880 We checked back in with the contractor.
00:26:24.840 It's doubled, it's doubled the estimate in 12 months.
00:26:28.160 So I can feel all this inflation and so on in a personal way.
00:26:31.580 I'm sure my listeners can too.
00:26:33.420 Um, your thoughts on whether we've peaked in terms of the badness or whether this is going
00:26:40.000 to go on and on.
00:26:41.040 My problem is I think we've plateaued instead of peaked.
00:26:43.680 So all the badness feels like prices have gone up and we know they have, but will they
00:26:48.140 go back down?
00:26:48.800 Everyone's predicting they go back down, including probably the smartest man in Wall
00:26:52.300 Street, Jamie Dimon.
00:26:53.160 But I don't believe, I think he's wrong.
00:26:54.500 I'm not smarter than Jamie Dimon, but I just, I feel he's wrong this time.
00:26:57.700 We've floated this, this inflationary boat and it's lasted so long.
00:27:01.660 It feels like we've been probably even out for a while and then make another move up when
00:27:05.480 things get even tighter.
00:27:07.180 The reason behind this is, is, is mostly the reason why you're having a hard time buying
00:27:12.500 a car with things you want on it.
00:27:15.500 Because you can buy a car, maybe not get all the bells and whistles you want.
00:27:18.380 There's a chip shortage.
00:27:19.280 There's a, there's literally a chip shortage in America.
00:27:21.440 But it's also the reason why you're probably, not only did your prices double for your studio,
00:27:26.680 it probably pushed you back on delivery times for cameras and equipment as well, where you
00:27:32.040 could have bought it, the stuff a year ago at a lower price and probably had delivered
00:27:35.700 within a couple of weeks.
00:27:36.680 Now they're talking months before delivery of things like cameras.
00:27:39.740 And they're just going to try and do the same thing in a bonus studio right now.
00:27:42.780 We went from about a five week wait for the equipment to five month wait for the equipment.
00:27:48.300 China has a complete stranglehold on chips around, around the world.
00:27:53.620 They're hoarding them.
00:27:54.540 They're using them for themselves.
00:27:56.140 We all need them.
00:27:56.900 You can go into a car.
00:27:58.080 This happened as well.
00:27:59.380 When I brought Adrian in a car, I went into a car dealership and they said, well, you can
00:28:04.840 have this car, but just want to let you know this function doesn't work on the car.
00:28:08.600 And it was one of the functions like the lighting on the interior.
00:28:12.180 You can't change the lighting on the interior colors, which you normally could.
00:28:15.140 Well, we don't have the chips for that.
00:28:16.640 So, you know, we're taking that price off the car.
00:28:18.940 It's still there.
00:28:19.720 If we ever get chips, we'll be able to put that back in.
00:28:22.180 We have a chip shortage.
00:28:23.300 As far as the rest of the supply chain problems, I don't see how it's going to get any better.
00:28:28.180 We have energy prices that are spiking.
00:28:30.380 A lot of what's going on right now is tied to energy prices.
00:28:33.760 $80 barrels of crude.
00:28:35.280 Do you remember a year, two years ago, Megan, where price of crude went negative?
00:28:39.920 Trump was pumping out so much oil.
00:28:42.180 We were fracking.
00:28:43.040 We didn't need some of the domestic oil production we had.
00:28:46.900 We were actually surplusing, and we were shipping some of it overseas.
00:28:50.400 Now, we are at dire needs for oil.
00:28:52.900 Prices are rising because the Biden administration canceled a lot of the fracking projects.
00:28:57.600 They canceled a lot of drilling projects.
00:28:59.460 They canceled the XL pipeline, Keystone XL pipeline.
00:29:03.400 So, we're becoming energy dependent again on the Middle East.
00:29:06.580 So, prices of oil go up.
00:29:08.940 You move everything in this country via some sort of fossil fuel.
00:29:12.720 So, whether it's a truck with a diesel fuel, a train with coal, it's all tied to prices of the fuel.
00:29:18.340 So, prices of stock are going up.
00:29:20.580 It doesn't feel like they're ever going to go down, especially not with a Democrat president, Democrat administration, that is completely anti-fossil fuel.
00:29:28.280 You have the AOC wing of the party telling Biden, who's somehow now becoming his spokesperson for her Green New Deal agenda, get rid of fossil fuels.
00:29:38.280 We can't.
00:29:39.360 He said that.
00:29:40.220 Remember that debate with Trump?
00:29:41.620 He said, I want to kill the coal industry.
00:29:44.140 Go ahead.
00:29:44.800 I'm sorry.
00:29:45.060 No, no, I was just saying he made no mystery of his desire to kill fossil fuels, the coal industry.
00:29:51.180 He said that at a presidential debate.
00:29:53.600 That's what he thinks is best for the environment.
00:29:55.320 But that's, you look at the numbers now because it's on top of the grocery bill that, I mean, I don't know about you, but it's like, I got like the dollar signs in my eyeballs when I go to the grocery store now.
00:30:05.140 And look, I can afford it.
00:30:06.340 I'm thinking about the people who don't have money, right?
00:30:08.720 It's like BS.
00:30:09.580 Yes, I remember it wasn't so long ago that I was living paycheck to paycheck, and that hurts the groceries in particular.
00:30:15.160 You got to get them.
00:30:15.760 You got to feed your family.
00:30:17.080 So you got the cost of groceries, according to Department of Labor, has gone up 5.4% year over year.
00:30:22.700 It feels like more than that.
00:30:24.060 Oil gas is up about $1.08, $1.08 from a year ago.
00:30:30.660 That's a lot per gallon, per gallon.
00:30:32.360 22% per gasoline in the 30s for certain needs.
00:30:36.660 So what happens here is they remove food and energy from those previous price indexes, but that's all we use every day.
00:30:43.920 It's food and energy.
00:30:44.680 We drive to work.
00:30:45.580 We drive to school.
00:30:46.440 We come home.
00:30:46.940 We eat food.
00:30:47.840 And they remove that, and it looks like 5%.
00:30:49.540 But when you add in the thing, we highlight the things that we use every day, numbers are spiking.
00:30:55.040 Anything that's going up here that we produce in America is going up because of energy prices.
00:30:59.140 But the other stuff that's going up, the reason why we have supply chain disruption, the reason why the LA port is backed up with 600,000 containers that are waiting to hit port, is because, one simple answer, the giveaways that the Biden administration has given to people to not work.
00:31:16.440 So they can't get workers, and the whole supply chain can't get workers.
00:31:19.400 You can't get port workers because they don't work.
00:31:21.420 They'd rather stay home.
00:31:22.180 You can't get restaurant workers.
00:31:23.060 You just can't get truckers to truck the goods when they get support in LA to bring it to the different cities around the country.
00:31:29.180 So the supply chain disruptions are happening because of workers.
00:31:32.880 Workers are choosing to stay home instead of going to work and earn their paycheck.
00:31:36.840 They can stay home and get the paycheck.
00:31:38.520 10 million job openings.
00:31:40.920 We can't even get the Secretary of Transportation to work.
00:31:43.700 They left the job.
00:31:45.200 Didn't tell anybody.
00:31:46.340 Hello?
00:31:46.940 Hello?
00:31:47.720 The Secretary Buttigieg.
00:31:49.380 So, yes, to your point, they say not enough truck drivers.
00:31:51.920 There's 22,000 fewer people working in the trucking industry versus pre-pandemic.
00:31:56.840 And even then, the American Trucking Association had estimated in 2019 that it was going to be short some 60,000 drivers.
00:32:03.160 Welcome to the pandemic.
00:32:04.760 Now they say they have one qualified driver for every nine job listings in the trucking industry.
00:32:09.300 But can I just ask you about those ports?
00:32:10.920 Because I don't think a lot of us pay that much attention to the ports, you know, the shipping we get from China,
00:32:15.960 all those, you know, cargo boxes that are sitting out there on the ships waiting to come in.
00:32:21.400 And I think about it just on a personal level.
00:32:23.720 We bought a new house and we moved to Connecticut and we're waiting on a couch.
00:32:27.340 And the couch was supposed to be here in August and it was supposed to be here in September and it was supposed to be here in October.
00:32:32.600 Now they're saying maybe November.
00:32:34.480 And, you know, I'm certain my couch is sitting in one of those boxes out there because they can't find a place to deliver them.
00:32:40.580 And they can't get the warehouse space and they can't get the workers and they can't get the truckers and so on.
00:32:44.080 But here's what the Biden administration said.
00:32:46.900 We brokered a deal.
00:32:48.260 This is from National Review.
00:32:49.940 We brokered a deal under which the twin California ports now operate, now operate around the clock.
00:32:56.720 OK, so they're like, we're on it.
00:32:58.520 The 24-7 operation began weeks ago, according to Jen Psaki.
00:33:04.140 Well, it's not true.
00:33:05.700 Port authorities told the Long Beach Post there is no terminal at either facility currently operating 24-7.
00:33:12.040 Port Authority has launched a pilot program under which one terminal at Long Beach only, there are seven, by the way, will operate 24 hours a day, Monday through Thursday.
00:33:24.000 So it's more like 24-4, not 24-7.
00:33:27.400 And at only one of the terminals, not all seven.
00:33:30.740 And at only one of the ports, not both of them.
00:33:34.080 And the rest of the week, they revert to their usual restricted hours.
00:33:38.360 So we've been misled by our administration on what's being done.
00:33:42.640 But those ports, it seems like the problem is multifold in terms of getting the ships in, the cargo in, the cargo shipped, and then delivered.
00:33:50.500 So they lied.
00:33:51.280 Shocker.
00:33:51.880 Shocker there.
00:33:52.700 Wow.
00:33:53.240 No surprise there.
00:33:56.020 So you ever know, you see the pictures of the ports and all the container ships.
00:34:01.480 They're holding containers.
00:34:02.740 And all container ships are holding containers.
00:34:04.360 Those are standardized containers because once they hit port, they're offloaded off the ships.
00:34:09.020 And then they're unloaded to either, well, they could be warehouse, but if they're important to commerce, they're loaded onto either train rails or trucks.
00:34:20.260 And they're the same equipment.
00:34:22.400 It's the same box.
00:34:23.400 It's filled with stuff.
00:34:24.340 They put it right on the back of a flap out of a truck and it's in real and it goes.
00:34:27.440 Or they put it in a long string of a train and it goes.
00:34:29.800 Well, so that's great if they can get the ports, they can get the stuff off the water where it's rotting and dying.
00:34:36.040 Hopefully your couch isn't getting gross because it's out in the water.
00:34:39.360 Right.
00:34:40.080 But it's fine if they can get it to port, but then they're just going to stick in the warehouse because they don't have enough truckers.
00:34:45.620 They don't have enough rail.
00:34:46.720 They don't have enough workers to load the stuff onto the trucks and the rails.
00:34:50.520 We get it to people.
00:34:51.340 And then once it gets there, they don't have enough people in grocery stores to unpack this stuff.
00:34:55.940 I mean, it goes all the way down the line.
00:34:57.640 I saw a stat yesterday, and this is another reason why prices are going up.
00:35:03.160 A meat processing plant, and I believe it was Iowa, if I'm not mistaken, somewhere in the Midwest.
00:35:08.000 Meat processing plant was at such a shortage for workers.
00:35:12.140 They were offering an $8,000 signing box.
00:35:15.160 And some it's an exorbitant number per hour, but $8,000 just to sign with them because they need workers that badly.
00:35:20.780 So if that's the case, even if they had the meat that was being slaughtered, they needed to be packaged, and then they needed to be shipped again.
00:35:29.120 So all down the line, this whole idea of paying people to stay home, it sounded good, and maybe the stock market goes up because people are speculating with their free money.
00:35:38.900 But what's happening is the average worker, the $20, $15 an hour worker doesn't want to do it anymore.
00:35:47.800 I can stay home and make $15 now.
00:35:49.660 Why would I do it?
00:35:51.040 Or they'll figure out a way to go work five hours, get paid off the books, and still take their government check and cash it.
00:35:57.980 That's why prices are going up.
00:36:00.680 There's a lot of free money.
00:36:01.020 Yeah, but wait, let me challenge you on that because didn't the Biden unemployment payments stop in early September?
00:36:06.280 And what I read in the papers, the papers tell me, Eric Bolling, that there's a lingering effect of COVID in terms of the reduced production of goods.
00:36:16.300 That we weren't buying as many, I guess, during the lockdowns.
00:36:21.660 And that personal spending on goods is up 20% this year, this August, versus August of 2020.
00:36:26.800 We've spent an additional $900 billion on goods this year.
00:36:31.520 So we're getting our spend back on because we're out of quarantine and we're like, yeah, it feels good.
00:36:35.840 I want some couches and I want some merchandise.
00:36:38.880 And that they just can't keep up.
00:36:40.900 Like everything was shut down and there's sort of a hangover from slowed manufacturing from when we weren't buying.
00:36:47.200 And now there's this huge new demand.
00:36:49.560 And the papers tell me it's not about oil and gas and it's not about the Joe Biden unemployment.
00:36:54.260 No, it absolutely is about oil and gas.
00:36:58.060 And it is about employment because we can't get people into the process.
00:37:01.140 The reason why, OK, I hate to get monkey here, but it's economics 101.
00:37:05.040 There's there's there's supply and demand.
00:37:07.500 And we have massive pent up demand that's being unleashed right now because you're right.
00:37:12.080 For 18 months, we were staying home.
00:37:13.900 Now we want to go out and buy stuff.
00:37:15.180 We got retail therapy, so to speak.
00:37:17.040 We want to buy stuff.
00:37:17.680 We want to travel.
00:37:18.340 We want to do things.
00:37:18.920 We'll go to restaurants.
00:37:19.860 So demand is huge right now.
00:37:21.580 And that's great for the economy.
00:37:23.060 But the problem is supply is tight because we can't get workers to produce the stuff that we're trying to buy.
00:37:28.740 We can't get workers to produce the jackets or the tires of the new car or the cars.
00:37:33.940 We can't get people to produce the stuff.
00:37:36.120 So supply stays stagnant or down or even because we can't produce enough to meet demand.
00:37:42.920 And what does that do?
00:37:44.640 100 percent of the time makes prices go up.
00:37:47.740 That's where we are.
00:37:48.760 The problem is if prices stay high and we stop paying people to stay home and people want to go out and things start to open up, you're going to have a situation where prices are remaining high and people can't afford what they used to be able to afford.
00:38:01.620 Right now, people are kind of being able to.
00:38:03.340 I hate guys like me who used to come on and say, oh, my gosh, the world's going to hell because prices are going up and the economy looks so bad, yet everything got better year after year.
00:38:17.280 These things are getting better year after year, but it's artificially financed by the government.
00:38:22.120 We're spending trillions upon trillions of dollars.
00:38:24.900 Sounds great, right?
00:38:26.260 Okay, let's keep doing it.
00:38:27.540 You know what?
00:38:27.880 There's something to be said about keep doing it.
00:38:29.940 If no one says, hey, enough, you guys, we're not going to loan you any more money like China, then everything's fine.
00:38:36.280 But here's the risk, and there is a risk.
00:38:38.900 China plays the long game.
00:38:41.240 We play the very, very short game with what's happening this week, this month, this year.
00:38:45.000 China plays for 5, 10, 15 years down the road.
00:38:47.420 China builds cities in anticipation of an industry being strong, and the industry will grow into the cities that China's already built.
00:38:55.180 China plays the long game.
00:38:56.140 They're holding a lot of our debt.
00:38:57.560 If there were a case where they go, you know what?
00:38:59.780 You guys are fiscally ridiculous.
00:39:01.980 We can't, we would not, it wouldn't be smart for us, China, to continue to invest in your country by buying your debt.
00:39:08.980 We're in severe, we go into severe, severe shock.
00:39:11.860 We can't solve some thing.
00:39:13.180 And if we don't have China to keep buying our stuff.
00:39:15.700 Now, there's another theory that says, well, China better do that.
00:39:18.560 Otherwise, we're their biggest customer, and they would blow out our customer.
00:39:21.900 It's almost like a wink and a nod between the two to see who's going to blink first.
00:39:26.500 Problem is, we don't have any of the cards.
00:39:28.320 We don't have the cards.
00:39:29.420 Well, it certainly doesn't suggest that we're going to get involved to save Taiwan or Hong Kong if China decides.
00:39:36.000 Correct.
00:39:36.100 It's like they decide to do the Pac-Man gobble of those cities, countries that then forget about it, like we're not going to intervene.
00:39:43.140 Now, in the meantime, you've got real life prices going up.
00:39:47.820 Bacon up 19%, steak 22%, lettuce 15%, eggs 13%, washing machines up 19%, TVs 13%, kids' shoes 12%, hotels 20%, used cars 24%, and on and on it goes.
00:39:59.780 And, you know, I had Glenn Beck on the program not long ago giving me 101.2 on economics, and we were talking about how normally if you've got inflation that stays up and the economists on average see inflation that's staying around 5.25% as of this coming December, which would mark the longest inflation, has been above 5% since early 1991 and that terrible recession back then.
00:40:20.660 So it's not good.
00:40:21.780 These numbers are bad in terms of inflation that the Fed will step in, will hike interest rates, and that that's, I guess, not good for us.
00:40:31.640 This is where I won't be able to reproduce what Glenn was saying, but he was saying that he sees the Fed stepping in potentially.
00:40:39.060 Do you think that they will and raise interest rates?
00:40:40.660 If it stayed elevated, but we saw the Fed chairman about six months ago saying that they would not raise interest rates before the end of this year and likely not before the end of 2022 unless something dramatic happened.
00:40:56.520 And, yes, inflation is strong and prices are going up.
00:41:00.140 But, again, they keep – and the difference between inflation being this high now and the last time it was this high in the 90s was the economy was severely on the way down.
00:41:10.360 We were having an inflationary period at the same time we had unemployment spike, and it was a slowing economy at the same time.
00:41:17.940 And so all things were bad, and that became a recession, almost a depression.
00:41:21.320 Here, for whatever reason, we're still confident.
00:41:25.980 Consumers are still spending.
00:41:27.480 You know, we're still spending every dime we have.
00:41:29.340 Isn't it crazy, Eric?
00:41:30.880 It's crazy that we're still thinking about putting another $3.5 trillion, $3.2 trillion.
00:41:36.620 They say it's going to have to be lower because of Manchin and Sinema, but $3.2 trillion in this sort of social spending bill out there, in addition to these so-called infrastructure.
00:41:45.920 That's just more than going to pump more money into the economy.
00:41:49.200 That will fire up.
00:41:50.240 That will keep the – that's why I'm saying, will it go back down like Jamie Dimon says?
00:41:55.100 I think no, because I don't – if it's not a $3 trillion, maybe it's a $2 trillion.
00:41:59.120 And then there's – is there another $2 trillion spending package behind that?
00:42:02.640 What that does, that funnels.
00:42:04.520 It's a big firehose of money into the economy.
00:42:07.400 That means people will buy, whether it's direct payments to people, which is likely they'll figure out a way to do that, or it's subsidies or paying family, child credits, money thrown into families.
00:42:19.420 That's money that goes – that gets into people's pockets and goes right back out into the economy.
00:42:23.420 The problem is we're running a deficit in the country, but, again, it's protecting the downside of whatever this inflationary spike is.
00:42:32.320 Home prices are up.
00:42:33.540 You talk about – one of the strongest markets of all these things, stock, other, used cars.
00:42:40.460 Used car prices are true.
00:42:42.080 They're roof.
00:42:43.440 You can't – you're paying 20%, 30% more for a used car than ever, and it's a really good indicator of average Joe.
00:42:51.060 It's not the uber wealthy.
00:42:52.920 It's the average Joe.
00:42:54.000 So he has more money.
00:42:55.020 He's spending more.
00:42:56.000 Things feel better until they don't.
00:42:58.680 Yeah.
00:42:59.060 All right.
00:42:59.540 So wait.
00:43:00.080 So to wrap it up, what does that mean for my Christmas shopping and the Christmas shopping, everybody listening?
00:43:07.080 I mean, those toys could be on those cargo ships, and I don't know.
00:43:11.620 Like, what do we do?
00:43:12.900 Two words.
00:43:13.460 Gift certificates.
00:43:14.780 That's your only answer.
00:43:17.280 I hate when somebody gives me a gift certificate.
00:43:19.220 It feels like a homework assignment.
00:43:20.060 Well, you know, your little niece, your nephew, you're like, really?
00:43:25.240 Now, can I tell you?
00:43:26.660 This is one of my pet peeves.
00:43:28.060 I don't like a gift certificate because it feels like a to-do list somebody's given me.
00:43:31.000 In the same way, this is my number one – maybe my top three, top three pet peeves.
00:43:35.640 When somebody sends you an email or a text, hey, how's it going?
00:43:40.520 What's new?
00:43:41.140 Who is it?
00:43:41.560 Basically, what they're basically saying is entertain me.
00:43:44.360 Like, you know what?
00:43:45.120 You give me nothing about your own life.
00:43:47.800 You didn't earn it at all.
00:43:49.260 You just want me to dance for you?
00:43:50.440 I refuse.
00:43:51.540 Yeah, they're scrolling up their text list and go, oh, there's Megyn Kelly.
00:43:55.260 Hey.
00:43:57.060 What's new?
00:43:58.920 No, stop.
00:43:59.960 I ignore.
00:44:00.740 Ignore, ignore.
00:44:01.500 I ignore most texts anyway.
00:44:02.640 Never mind people who do that to me.
00:44:04.120 Eric Bolling, I never ignore you, and you guys should not ignore him at 4 p.m. on Newsmax.
00:44:07.740 The show is great.
00:44:08.700 It's doing great, and I look forward to hearing your interview with the cop, the state trooper
00:44:12.520 to whom this should not have happened.
00:44:13.900 Thanks, Meg.
00:44:14.540 Good talk.
00:44:15.520 Love you.
00:44:16.060 Miss you.
00:44:17.060 Likewise.
00:44:17.700 All the best.
00:44:18.700 Coming up, we're talking to a middle school teacher who is speaking out about critical
00:44:22.700 race theory in her school and the school now punishing her.
00:44:26.340 She just got pushed out.
00:44:28.180 We booked her before.
00:44:29.180 This happened to her overnight, so we'll get her reaction on what they're now doing to her.
00:44:33.720 It's time now for a feature on our show called Thanks But No Thanks, where we introduce you
00:44:42.860 to some concept that is circulating on social media, in politics, or in the press that we
00:44:47.560 would like to say, we're good, actually.
00:44:51.200 Thanks but no thanks.
00:44:52.620 Today, we are taking a look into the world of climate change and the amplification of
00:44:57.380 a certain book by The New Yorker that's raising some eyebrows.
00:45:01.240 Andreas Maugham's book is called How to Blow Up a Pipeline.
00:45:06.680 Can you guess what it's about?
00:45:08.440 You'll be shocked to learn it's about how and also why you should blow up a pipeline.
00:45:15.380 The New Yorker was very intrigued by this eco-terrorism.
00:45:18.760 Should the climate movement embrace sabotage?
00:45:21.800 Asked the headline from the podcast interview with The New Yorker editor, David Remnick.
00:45:25.860 Here's a little of that exchange.
00:45:28.360 Listen.
00:45:29.200 The book became a product of the moment of 2019, but it's also a call for escalation,
00:45:35.360 a call for the movement to diversify its tactics and move away from an exclusive focus on polite,
00:45:48.120 gentle, and perfectly peaceful civil disobedience.
00:45:51.520 What actions are you recommending for the movement?
00:45:54.240 Well, I am recommending that the movement continues with mass action and civil disobedience,
00:46:02.160 but also opens up for property destruction.
00:46:05.640 So I am in favor of destroying machines, property, not harming people.
00:46:11.100 That's a very, very important distinction there.
00:46:15.600 And I think property can be destroyed in all manner of ways,
00:46:18.860 or it can be neutralized in a very gentle fashion as when we deflated the SUVs,
00:46:23.920 or in a more spectacular fashion as in potentially blowing up a pipeline that's under construction.
00:46:29.200 That's something that people have done.
00:46:31.220 So you are recommending blowing up a pipeline.
00:46:34.560 Oh, would you look at that?
00:46:36.040 The guy who wrote a book called How to Blow Up a Pipeline is in fact recommending blowing up a pipeline.
00:46:40.380 The New Yorker editor seems surprised.
00:46:42.340 How about instead of normalizing this climate terrorism, we talk about how absolutely insane this is.
00:46:47.940 To the author who wants to blow up pipelines to help the climate, we say,
00:46:51.580 thanks but no thanks.
00:46:53.260 Don't go away.
00:46:59.420 Joining me now is Ramona Bessinger.
00:47:02.000 She's an English middle school teacher in Providence, Rhode Island,
00:47:05.040 and a mother speaking out against critical race theory and its tenants making its way into her school.
00:47:12.500 Her story has garnered national attention and local criticism from her colleagues and now even some of her students.
00:47:18.400 And as of last night, she is now suspended without pay, she believes, because she has spoken out about this.
00:47:26.700 Ramona, thank you so much for being here.
00:47:28.280 How are you doing today?
00:47:29.140 Thank you so much.
00:47:30.000 I'm doing very, very well.
00:47:31.280 Thanks for having me.
00:47:32.820 Of course.
00:47:33.340 So I have to tell you, I related so much when I read that you said in the 2020 slash 21 school year,
00:47:42.820 so last year, Providence's K through eight teachers were introduced to, quote,
00:47:48.160 one of the most racially divisive, hateful, and in large part, historically inaccurate curriculums you had ever seen.
00:47:55.820 I feel like I lived this firsthand the year prior in my own school in New York City,
00:48:02.020 and I was one of the parents who got an up-close look at it thanks to the quarantine,
00:48:06.540 but I had been seeing it there even prior to that.
00:48:09.640 So how did you start seeing it?
00:48:12.620 Because I think critics get hung up on the term critical race theory, saying that's a law school thing that's taught.
00:48:17.960 And I've conceded, just move off of that.
00:48:20.600 That's a red herring.
00:48:21.340 It's basically race-based obsession working its way into the school system, saying the white kids are oppressors
00:48:29.080 and that the kids of color are the oppressed, they're the victims, white supremacists everywhere, patriot, whatever.
00:48:34.500 You could go down the list, but it doesn't have to be classical critical race theory.
00:48:39.080 What did you see?
00:48:39.920 Well, I'm glad you, first of all, I'm glad you bring up the critical race theory.
00:48:44.820 I don't use that term either.
00:48:46.320 I call it a racialized, divisive, you know, curriculum.
00:48:51.540 And this is exactly what I saw happen in my school and in my son's school.
00:48:57.200 Well, you know, they rolled out this curriculum in full force, it seems, last September.
00:49:03.140 And there were questions right away.
00:49:06.440 This was, you know, we were mandated to teach social studies in relationship to and abandon our English curriculum, our vetted English curriculum materials.
00:49:18.980 In fact, all of our books, starting with last year, were vetted by, it seems, anyway, the New York Times.
00:49:27.560 But it wasn't really until January that I noticed something was really wrong.
00:49:33.860 When box loads and box loads of very bizarre cartoon-like paperback books landed in my classroom and I had to color, you know, color code them, level them.
00:49:46.100 So I took a good hard look at those books and noticed right away that there was something very, very wrong with those books.
00:49:51.960 The themes, the characters were all the same.
00:49:56.100 White people, historic figures all look like buffoons or aggressors.
00:50:01.520 The imagery was the same.
00:50:03.620 The characters were the same.
00:50:05.100 There was that victim and victimizer narrative very present between white and Black folks historically.
00:50:14.780 And although this is an important part of our historical narrative, it is certainly not the only narrative.
00:50:22.360 And that's what these books were saying and telling us.
00:50:27.260 And then, of course, the projects were all race-based.
00:50:30.380 And, you know, so this alarmed me quite a bit.
00:50:33.740 And so you were a teacher, you've been a teacher for 22 years, past seven in Providence, but you were teaching social studies?
00:50:39.960 I teach English, but we were blending social studies and English together, combining it for what was called a humanities department rollout.
00:50:53.420 And, you know, it sounds great.
00:50:54.760 Humanities, where you're teaching this, you're teaching literature, but providing the social context.
00:51:00.800 Well, we do that anyway as teachers.
00:51:02.320 So I don't know why we even have to have a mandate to do this, but this is so, yeah, we were first told to blend our English literature with social studies to teach with the social studies department, which wasn't in itself shocking.
00:51:20.740 It was the actual projects and books that that were shocking for many of us.
00:51:26.920 One of the things I read is you said the stories and book, you said you noticed the timeline on the Revolutionary War and the Civil War, that the stories and books seem to focus almost exclusively on slavery and racism, while also excluding many other aspects of our history.
00:51:45.940 Now, can I tell you this?
00:51:46.920 My son, I've experienced this firsthand.
00:51:50.160 My son, when he was in fourth grade, learned about the Revolutionary War and came home after a week of this saying that he could name 12 slaves who had helped the American side in the Revolutionary War.
00:52:05.200 And we said, that's great.
00:52:06.040 And he could say, like, somebody wound up in Harlem and blah, blah, blah.
00:52:09.680 And he knew where everybody had gone on and what they'd done and how they.
00:52:12.720 OK, great.
00:52:13.500 And after a while, I said to him, did they mention anything about General George Washington?
00:52:20.200 And he said, no.
00:52:22.400 OK, so he's kind of important to the Revolutionary.
00:52:26.960 It's been a while since I've been in school.
00:52:29.020 But I think I mean, that's the point you're making.
00:52:31.940 So this isn't made up.
00:52:32.920 This happened in my school and it happened in yours.
00:52:35.300 That is correct.
00:52:36.620 You know, historical figures are mentioned, but very briefly, mostly the narrative and the characters are, you know, surrounds this.
00:52:44.700 You know, students are surrounded with this narrative from a enslaved person's position.
00:52:51.820 And it's hard to speak out against these sorts of things because you don't want to sound insensitive to that narrative that is very much a part of our U.S.
00:53:00.600 history.
00:53:02.000 And so many of us were sort of like, well, how do we how do we speak about this publicly without getting attacked?
00:53:08.300 Well, you know, there's no way around it.
00:53:10.920 I mean, not to speak out is to really, you know, to deny students and children that very crucial, you know, comprehensive education that really they're entitled to as American children.
00:53:23.520 Did you experience the obsession with trans issues as well?
00:53:28.780 I mean, was it all critical race theory or did they do the gender stuff, too?
00:53:33.220 Yes, there's there's quite a bit of that more on the social realm.
00:53:39.220 So in my classroom, I had literature that I was contending with and sort of sifting through these hundreds of books.
00:53:45.560 But there were there was a big push. And in fact, there are posters all around my school and I teach middle school, so 12 and 13 year olds posters supporting the supporting pride, supporting any movements, different types.
00:54:02.560 I don't even know the different pronouns. I can't even name them all.
00:54:05.100 There's so many. And it's so changes on a daily basis that I couldn't even tell you.
00:54:09.260 But this whole push to to embrace any child who wants to be pansexual, transsexual, multisexual, who the heck knows?
00:54:23.600 You know, it's like they're made up names and we can't even keep up with it.
00:54:27.340 But this is what I noticed in my classroom. Children were identifying with different different sexualities, I suppose.
00:54:37.360 And for me, it's shocking. One is a mother and two, as a teacher.
00:54:40.560 I'm not interested in talking to children about their sexual preference, especially at the age of 12.
00:54:46.800 So it escapes me as to why an adult would want to have these private, you know, sort of intimate conversations about sexual preference.
00:54:56.620 And why I was given a list of approved pronouns so I could start this discussion with students.
00:55:06.340 So I wasn't reading any literature per se, but the whole movement was being pushed in a very strange way.
00:55:14.360 In fact, this year we were told and mandated and, by the way, reprimanded if we didn't do this, to hand out pride tickets.
00:55:22.300 Nothing wrong with being gay or choosing to be trans.
00:55:28.220 But that is a private decision between a young person and their parents.
00:55:33.400 It is not a decision for teachers, veteran teachers or new teachers or guidance counselors or whomever might be in the building circulating, you know, to have with with minor children.
00:55:46.020 This is a dangerous, dangerous, dangerous, slippery slope, because now you have adults having conversations about sexual preference with a minor child.
00:55:57.560 That's one, disgusting to me as a teacher.
00:56:01.060 And two, how dare, you know, how dare a school board assume that they have the right to have these sorts of conversations with children?
00:56:11.000 You know, they know that developmentally, middle school children want to fit in more so than probably elementary or secondary.
00:56:22.080 And so they're preying on that psychological phase that kids go through.
00:56:27.380 They want to fit in.
00:56:28.860 And if they feel it's going to please an adult, they may even pick a pronoun so that that adult applauds them.
00:56:36.840 And they are they are ideological predators.
00:56:40.500 No, what you said is, are you kidding me?
00:56:42.360 I loved every word because I've lived it.
00:56:44.440 And it's so cathartic to hear somebody else give voice to it, too.
00:56:48.120 You know, you're not alone.
00:56:49.000 You sometimes feel like you're nuts.
00:56:51.040 But I'll tell you a story.
00:56:52.480 I I've never revealed this before, Ramona.
00:56:55.020 I've never talked about this.
00:56:56.100 But at our school, which, again, was one of the top all boys schools in the one of the top schools in the country.
00:57:02.520 And we chose it because it was traditionally it was more traditional.
00:57:06.160 It wasn't this far left place.
00:57:08.100 It is now on our third grade boys.
00:57:12.900 OK, so they unleashed a three week experimental transgender education program on our boys.
00:57:19.320 And but that I've revealed.
00:57:20.960 But what I didn't reveal yet is this.
00:57:22.860 The way we found out about it was we went to parent teacher night and we're sitting there.
00:57:27.260 And one of our fellow parents, a man, raised his hand and said, why did my son come home?
00:57:34.620 These are third graders, eight, nine year olds.
00:57:37.300 Why did my son come home and ask if it's true that he can take a pill to prevent puberty?
00:57:43.460 And then when he turns 18, can have his penis chopped off if he wants to become a woman.
00:57:48.340 We were all no, no, we were all like, what?
00:57:54.880 Say what?
00:57:56.340 And we know this guy, we know his son and the teacher.
00:57:59.640 It was the science teacher who was standing up there.
00:58:01.880 She was nine months pregnant at the time.
00:58:03.440 So we were gentle with her.
00:58:06.040 But trust me, we were angry and the teacher acknowledged it.
00:58:10.120 She didn't deny it.
00:58:11.080 She said, because we take the conversation where the boys want to take it.
00:58:15.700 And of course, we were like, that's bull.
00:58:18.080 No eight year old was asking that question.
00:58:20.480 And even if they were, you are you telling me that if my son comes in here and says, hey,
00:58:27.020 my mom's pregnant with another baby.
00:58:28.540 I don't know that my parents want another baby.
00:58:30.260 What are their options?
00:58:31.340 Are you going to get into that?
00:58:32.940 Or what if what if a teen in today's society says, I'm really depressed and I'm wondering
00:58:38.420 what the many ways are one can commit suicide?
00:58:40.660 There are things that are inappropriate to discuss with children, certainly third graders,
00:58:46.940 as it was in our case, and teenagers down the line for all sorts of reasons.
00:58:51.120 And the teachers who are bent on this ideological just torment refuse to acknowledge any of those
00:59:01.300 limits.
00:59:01.800 That is the problem, because maybe certain teachers might truly believe that they are
00:59:10.000 helping, but it is not our position to subjectively and arbitrarily decide to help or counsel children
00:59:18.740 who may express that they want to wear a dress or that they are curious about.
00:59:25.300 So I'll burst out laughing if I say it, but, you know, your son's comment about chopping
00:59:31.060 his penis off.
00:59:32.540 Not my son, but another son.
00:59:34.380 But yeah, and I'm sure, by the way, by the way, I'm sure that the teacher in explaining
00:59:37.920 this did not go into the harmful effects of puberty blockers and the people who detransition
00:59:43.280 and the psychological torment of the whole thing.
00:59:45.260 Right.
00:59:45.420 It's like sold like, hey, it's an option on a menu that's available to you.
00:59:49.560 It's wrong.
00:59:50.300 It is very wrong because kids glom on to various identities, especially at that middle school
00:59:55.360 level there.
00:59:56.360 They want to fit in.
00:59:57.220 So they're going to try different hats on at that age.
00:59:59.540 Literally, they may try purple hair and different funny things.
01:00:03.200 And they may at that point express to an adult, oh, yeah, I want to be pansexual or I want to
01:00:09.240 be a girl or a boy or I like to dress up in various.
01:00:14.120 Oh, says that adult, come with me.
01:00:16.920 And then secretly engages in some weird conversation with a minor about taking pills and asking
01:00:25.440 personal questions and maybe referencing one of those panorama, you know, surveys that children
01:00:31.040 are made to take or, you know, some one of the other different surveys that they're made
01:00:36.240 to take where they're asked similar questions about their home life, about their sexual preference,
01:00:41.160 about whether they're supported sexually.
01:00:42.880 This is I've never seen anything like this as a mother or an educator.
01:00:47.560 And it's disgusting.
01:00:49.820 Yeah, really.
01:00:50.860 And there's one thing I want to share.
01:00:52.440 Yeah, go ahead.
01:00:53.340 Recently in one of my classes and several of my classes, actually, there are children who
01:00:59.460 are young girls talking with very deep voices.
01:01:02.440 So I don't know if they've been given medication already to to transition or if they're just
01:01:10.500 sort of trying on this other identity.
01:01:13.380 And it's kind of we it's just disturbing.
01:01:17.160 It's not appropriate for school.
01:01:19.500 And it lends itself to potential abuse or worse, you know, predatorial, you know, predator
01:01:28.740 behavior in the schools.
01:01:30.920 We send our kids to be safe and to be educated.
01:01:34.180 This could be exploited by a by a teacher who's not well-meaning, who's got designs on
01:01:38.260 a child.
01:01:38.900 Unfortunately, we we've seen scandals like this where there are schools that have teachers
01:01:43.060 who are there's a reason they went to work with children all day.
01:01:45.800 This is not the vast majority of teachers, but it happens.
01:01:48.460 There was a huge scandal in New York at Horace Mann decades ago, back in the 70s, late 70s,
01:01:54.420 I think it was.
01:01:55.260 But the point is, any opportunity to open up a discussion about sexuality and gender and
01:02:00.900 genitals, that should be discouraged.
01:02:03.540 I don't want anybody talking to my kid about that.
01:02:06.440 So you you as a teacher and as a mother see all of this happening.
01:02:11.360 And and by the way, before we get to what you did about it, they're making you go through
01:02:15.920 all of the the training and, you know, you're you're a white supremacist or what?
01:02:21.720 What did they what sort of the dividing of the teachers based on race?
01:02:24.700 What did you experience in that lane?
01:02:26.880 Oh, well, the professional development, honestly, it makes you sick when you look at all the
01:02:32.000 different offerings for professional development.
01:02:34.180 Last year, one of the things that was pushed to us as educators was to participate in this
01:02:39.720 white affinity group and black affinity group.
01:02:43.100 So, of course, I thought, well, this is an opportunity to see, you know, be happy, be
01:02:47.180 open minded.
01:02:47.900 You want to be open minded.
01:02:48.880 And then I looked at the reading materials and I could see that we were being we're instructed
01:02:55.640 to participate in this white affinity group to read materials around white supremacy in
01:03:02.740 the classroom.
01:03:03.740 And I thought, oh, no, no, no, no, no.
01:03:06.680 I'm not going to participate in something that is labeling me what I am absolutely 100 percent
01:03:12.680 not.
01:03:13.520 And so I I didn't participate in that.
01:03:16.340 I opted out.
01:03:17.040 But this year, at the beginning of the year, the first week of school, we were we had our
01:03:22.860 entire professional development around this this idea or bias training, they call it.
01:03:29.880 And we were made to do privilege walks.
01:03:32.080 And we had to talk about our white privilege and all of these ridiculous notions that they've
01:03:38.420 just pulled out of the clouds from somewhere.
01:03:41.540 And somebody was a privilege teacher's manual.
01:03:43.780 It's really horrible.
01:03:45.500 What is a privilege walk?
01:03:47.040 Oh, well, that I didn't participate.
01:03:50.820 I opted out.
01:03:51.740 I was the only teacher.
01:03:52.780 We're really I think that the staff, the faculty was shocked.
01:03:56.840 We were taken outside.
01:03:58.620 This is quite interesting, actually.
01:04:00.160 And the entire faculty at my school was made to line up in what I feel what, you know, was
01:04:09.080 a military style, you know, lineup.
01:04:13.060 The principal stood in front of us.
01:04:15.040 But two principals stood in front of the lineup and fired questions out at us, yelled them out
01:04:21.320 because we're outside.
01:04:22.160 So there was this, like, take two steps forward if you have a parent that graduated from college.
01:04:29.780 Take two steps back if you, you know, were ever discriminated against in a store or whatever.
01:04:36.880 Like, ridiculous, stupid questions that led, you know, separated the faculty by, oh, I don't know, race potentially or separated the faculty by economic class, education, etc.
01:04:57.340 It was really offensive.
01:04:59.640 It was stupid.
01:05:00.740 And and and just, you know, sending a very, very inappropriate, dangerous message that divides and promotes racism.
01:05:11.660 Mm hmm.
01:05:12.740 Gosh, can you imagine how the teachers of color felt, too, who had parents who were well educated?
01:05:18.660 Like, what are you what are you expecting that?
01:05:20.700 I'm just going to be in the back row because I'm at the lowest on all of these metrics.
01:05:24.700 I have, you know, I mean, it's just it's offensive on every level.
01:05:27.840 And the thing about being followed around a store, I've talked about this before, but I realize that sometimes black people get followed around the store in a way that a white person might not.
01:05:37.760 But because, you know, they'll just some racists would assume you're you're a shoplifter.
01:05:42.900 Guess what?
01:05:43.220 It happens to most women, too.
01:05:44.700 I mean, irrespective of color, because women are the ones who shove the things in their bag.
01:05:48.980 The men aren't generally doing it.
01:05:50.660 I mean, this is the truth.
01:05:51.720 It's like, all right.
01:05:52.840 So it's all fraught and it's complicated and it's got a lot of layers on it.
01:05:57.020 But one thing's clear, and that's it's wrong and it's wrong to punish a teacher who speaks up against it, which is clearly in this reporter's view, what just happened to Ramona.
01:06:07.760 So Ramona, what was the first way in which you spoke up against all of this?
01:06:17.320 Well, I just I'm not I've never been politically active, so it was an uncomfortable thing to to sort of talk about.
01:06:24.840 I just want to say that at first we didn't really know what the heck was going on.
01:06:29.200 But I went to a meeting with a group of parents about seven months ago and shared some of the reading material.
01:06:36.320 That was the very first time Nicole Solis was there and several other parents in our group, NK parents.
01:06:43.640 We all were very concerned.
01:06:45.320 We knew something wasn't right.
01:06:46.680 And then I spoke at a community based meeting and discussion on critical race theory and in the schools shortly thereafter.
01:06:57.340 I also spoke out at the Senate ethics oversight hearing on education, which seemed to seemingly fell on deaf ears.
01:07:07.820 Go figure. And and so this this all has sort of come to light in the past seven months and taken on momentum and of it, you know, taken on momentum, sort of culminating with that legal insurrection blog in July.
01:07:25.500 Doing the full story.
01:07:26.580 So what and what sort of alleged retaliatory behavior did you start to see once you started speaking out?
01:07:35.940 Oh, my goodness.
01:07:37.660 Well, right away, I was taken to human resources for every for ridiculous things, things like teaching the Declaration of Independence, pronouncing a student's name wrong, walking out of the building during a fire alarm incorrectly.
01:07:53.180 Just crazy things that I simply, you know, just harassing me constantly at me.
01:08:00.160 So and then, of course, the harassment continued at the start of this year.
01:08:05.760 I was attacked verbally by a colleague at a professional development meeting first day of school where she accused me of being privileged.
01:08:18.580 And it was both shocking and upsetting to me to be attacked in this way, in a very angry way.
01:08:24.460 This is a colleague who I respect.
01:08:26.720 She was my friend.
01:08:29.060 And to be spoken to in such a disrespectful way and called a name, I thought was uncalled for and shocking to me.
01:08:37.000 Then at a faculty meeting, the math teacher, a math teacher lashed out at me as well and told me to shut up.
01:08:44.820 He didn't want to hear anything that I had to say.
01:08:47.300 I was only making talking about a reading assignment or a reading mandate that we were discussing.
01:08:54.020 Very friendly.
01:08:54.960 You know, everybody in the faculty meeting.
01:08:56.520 He did.
01:08:57.000 He did apologize, though.
01:08:58.220 I guess that makes it OK.
01:09:00.240 And then various other, you know, sort of like outbursts.
01:09:03.820 And I really think that this is the way this left-wing mob likes to behave.
01:09:08.000 When they see that they are losing the battle, rather than engage in any kind of meaningful discourse, you know, maybe perhaps pull me aside and say, Ramona, what is your position and why do you feel this way?
01:09:20.800 Or have an open discussion with the faculty and perhaps even children who might have a discussion, they go behind your back and they undermine you.
01:09:30.840 They make things up about you.
01:09:33.180 They harass and bully you.
01:09:34.880 And they gang up on you.
01:09:36.360 And they silence the majority of teachers who are silently with me, you know.
01:09:41.280 But this is the way they behave in the hopes that I would just back down and cower away and remain silent.
01:09:48.980 And so why not do it, right?
01:09:52.180 Why not just go along to get along?
01:09:54.440 Keep your job.
01:09:55.780 Keep your head down.
01:09:56.720 Don't make waves.
01:09:58.200 Why did you keep speaking out?
01:10:00.280 What was the message and why was it so important?
01:10:03.100 Because I love my children and I love the country and I believe in this country.
01:10:07.800 And I also care a great deal about education.
01:10:10.700 I care a great deal about my students.
01:10:13.840 And this is wrong.
01:10:15.220 And what kind of a human being would I be if I said nothing?
01:10:17.760 I know that sounds very cliche, but this is the truth.
01:10:21.060 I'd rather lose my job, get suspended, be, you know, they can harass me, do whatever they want.
01:10:27.240 It's not going to stop me from speaking the truth and getting the story out there.
01:10:31.340 I'm speaking the truth.
01:10:32.760 I have all the evidence to back up what I'm saying about this terrible, egregious curriculum.
01:10:37.940 And they can bully me and harass me all they want, have at it.
01:10:42.620 So, you know, and also, I just want to say that if somebody doesn't speak out for educators,
01:10:48.800 and I know there are many of us who are listening, many educators who are listening, then they win.
01:10:56.860 They get to bury this and use our students and my children as their personal political weapons
01:11:05.560 against the nation.
01:11:07.360 And I can't allow that.
01:11:09.320 Can't do it.
01:11:10.400 Love my kids too much.
01:11:12.020 What do you think they're doing to the children?
01:11:14.800 What effect is all of this meant to have on children and having?
01:11:20.080 Well, the effect is this.
01:11:22.680 Children at my school actually believe that many white people are racist, myself included,
01:11:30.160 because I spoke out against this curriculum, children said to me, Miss, why don't you want
01:11:36.560 Black books to be taught?
01:11:38.540 Of course, my response was, what are you talking about?
01:11:41.260 Why would you say that?
01:11:42.420 There isn't a lesson plan that I have ever, you know, that I've ever created that hasn't
01:11:46.920 been filled with diversity and multicultural literature.
01:11:52.420 So I was curious, where are you getting this message from?
01:11:55.140 Of course, young people can't really speak to exactly where they're getting it from, because
01:11:58.500 it's most likely an adult who is saying it to them.
01:12:02.460 So the kids are seeing the United States as something to be feared, as a racist and unfair
01:12:13.040 country.
01:12:15.840 At one point last year, kids were, they weren't standing anymore for the Pledge of Allegiance,
01:12:22.000 not all kids, but the majority of one class in particular chose to sit down and protest.
01:12:28.500 And then there were comments made to me and little, you know, persnickety comments about
01:12:34.180 the country, about my political affiliations, of which they know nothing about, because I
01:12:40.660 don't believe teachers should be talking about politics to minor children, but things like
01:12:46.380 that.
01:12:46.780 So kids are starting to believe that this country is bad and that they need to fight for what
01:12:53.120 is right, you know, fight for justice, social justice, they, they're being taught, you know,
01:13:00.720 so that is what I'm seeing, a great divide and hatred for the United States.
01:13:05.740 So you, so your teacher or your principal, by the way, why did you get in trouble in trouble
01:13:09.880 for teaching the Declaration of Independence?
01:13:12.320 Oh, well, at the time, I had no idea why I was getting in trouble, because this was back
01:13:16.320 in November, when it all started, when it was just first rolled out.
01:13:21.360 When we received the curriculum materials, I was trying to be positive about everything.
01:13:26.380 And I thought, oh, great, I might as well start with the Declaration of Independence and teach
01:13:30.560 an essay around it.
01:13:31.560 Maybe the kids would like to learn how to write a reflective essay on the Declaration of Independence.
01:13:37.100 Well, all hell broke loose, apparently, because I was pulled to, um, human resources, uh, and
01:13:44.020 allegedly, they like to use this, uh, legal googly gop language to scare you.
01:13:50.920 Allegedly, I had taught a piece of literature that my students were going to be, or that was
01:13:58.200 supposed to be taught for a writing assessment that, by the way, wasn't true and never actually
01:14:04.120 happened.
01:14:05.120 But allegedly, I had taught this, the Declaration of Independence, um, prior to a writing assessment.
01:14:13.160 So my kids were privy to this secret information that maybe some other child in the school wasn't
01:14:19.480 privy to.
01:14:20.480 So, I don't know.
01:14:21.480 Wow.
01:14:22.480 So you felt clearly like it was thing after thing, like you didn't follow the protocol
01:14:26.880 on the fire drill or what have you.
01:14:29.500 And any of these things normally just, if you actually had done something wrong, probably
01:14:32.820 would have resulted in like a warning, right?
01:14:34.900 I mean, they, it seems like they went to DEFCON one very fast with you.
01:14:40.140 And then last night, what happened?
01:14:43.460 Oh, well, yesterday I went to school and very, you know, like any other normal day, walked
01:14:49.840 into the building and the secretary said, uh, Ms. Bessinger, you're going to the faculty
01:14:55.840 lounge for the day.
01:14:57.080 And I said, uh, why?
01:15:00.140 And she said, I don't know.
01:15:02.240 That's just where they, they want you to go for the day.
01:15:06.140 So I said, well, who are, you know, who's they and, and why would I be spending the day
01:15:12.640 in the faculty lounge?
01:15:14.400 I don't know, but that's where you have to go.
01:15:16.360 So of course I went down to the faculty lounge where it was, you know, sub zero temperatures,
01:15:21.160 freezing and sat there and waited for someone to tell me why I was down there and nobody
01:15:27.340 ever told me, nobody ever gave me any explanation.
01:15:30.560 And there I was left for the entire day.
01:15:33.560 And in fact, it wasn't until I was driving home that my union rep called me to say that,
01:15:39.940 um, a disciplinary decision had been rendered.
01:15:44.840 And I, I was, uh, that this five day suspension without pay for this other ridiculous allegation,
01:15:53.940 uh, was rendered and that I would be now moved out of the school and involuntarily transferred
01:16:02.140 to another school to be announced by the way.
01:16:05.640 Um, because I had, I had said that I was concerned about hostility in the school towards me, rightly
01:16:16.300 so, but I wasn't concerned about the entire faculty.
01:16:19.440 I'm not afraid to walk into the building.
01:16:21.320 I'm concerned about legitimate, you know, things that are said at meetings, legitimate being,
01:16:28.680 legitimately being called privileged or, you know, people commenting on the way I look or dress
01:16:34.820 or speak or whatever, those things are not appropriate and they need to be addressed by
01:16:39.280 the professionals in the building.
01:16:40.980 I shouldn't be further punished by move, by being moved out of the building now and, and
01:16:46.780 silenced from being speaking, from speaking out about what is happening at my middle school.
01:16:53.320 So, but that is in fact what they did.
01:16:56.060 So basically instead of fixing, going to fight and fixing the problem, they're moving you.
01:17:02.320 They're not concerned with any retaliation you may have gotten or behavior by the other
01:17:07.440 faculty.
01:17:08.220 They're just going to move you and you don't want to be moved.
01:17:13.020 So this is an effective termination of your teaching abilities at this school.
01:17:18.140 Yes.
01:17:18.760 It's like they're firing me, but not really firing me.
01:17:21.600 They're going to torture me by being really mean to me and, you know, not paying me for five
01:17:28.140 days for who knows what, you know, I've done a very good job.
01:17:31.720 I'm a very good teacher.
01:17:32.640 My teacher evaluations will speak to that, but I don't even want to have to defend myself.
01:17:37.540 I shouldn't even have to say that, you know, but it's, they know that they hold all the
01:17:42.280 cards that I am vulnerable to their, um, whatever they want to do.
01:17:48.560 I'm a pawn on a chessboard for this administration and they can harass me.
01:17:54.300 They can weaponize the children.
01:17:56.080 They can move me to another school.
01:17:59.060 They can take away my livelihood.
01:18:01.840 They can do whatever they want, harass and harangue me for as long as they want and just
01:18:07.620 get away with it because that's what these bullies do.
01:18:10.320 They're doing it to teachers across the nation.
01:18:12.980 That's why, that's why, by the way, there's a teacher shortage in many urban school districts.
01:18:18.480 And currently I think 200, maybe more teachers have resigned from the private Providence school
01:18:25.200 district.
01:18:25.900 And why is that?
01:18:26.960 Well, because many are choosing to do that rather than fight.
01:18:31.080 And I don't blame them.
01:18:31.860 It's not easy.
01:18:33.080 It's not easy.
01:18:33.980 I've had to really, you know, put that armor around me.
01:18:37.540 Meanwhile, meanwhile, the data, like the stats out of the Providence school suggest they
01:18:43.380 need to be focused on keeping good teachers who want to really teach kids.
01:18:47.040 There was a wall street journal report, July 7th, 2019.
01:18:50.460 This is how it began.
01:18:52.660 Peeling lead paint, brown water, leaking sewage pipes, broken asbestos tiles, rodents, frigid
01:18:57.520 and chaotic classrooms and student failure were all documented in a 93 page review by the
01:19:02.640 Johns Hopkins Institute for Education policy conducted at the request of the Rhode Island.
01:19:07.540 education commissioner saying this is an example of government failure.
01:19:12.900 Five percent of Providence eighth graders on average scored proficient in math in 2015
01:19:17.600 through 2017 school years.
01:19:19.380 Five percent.
01:19:21.080 Take a look at Newark, which is not exactly known for its great schools.
01:19:24.260 They're at least at 21 percent.
01:19:26.820 Worcester, Mass, not far away, twice as proficient as those in Providence.
01:19:30.700 And instead of focusing on the five percent, I guess I should say the ninety five percent of
01:19:37.220 Providence eighth graders who are not proficient in math, they're focused on you.
01:19:43.140 They're focused on you and privilege and who's oppressed and who's an oppressor.
01:19:48.860 I mean, you tell me whether they've got their priority priorities straight.
01:19:52.420 That would be a hard no.
01:19:54.780 They do not.
01:19:55.560 They're not pushing children to to to teach.
01:20:00.240 They're not demanding of children, you know, or teachers to teach reading and writing.
01:20:06.520 I have students who are illiterate in my classroom.
01:20:09.540 And I know that that's not going to make a lot of, you know, my colleagues happy to say
01:20:14.860 that.
01:20:15.100 But they know this is true.
01:20:17.340 Children are not learning how to read and write.
01:20:20.160 And nor is my child in his school currently.
01:20:24.540 What is being what we were mandated to do last year was we don't, you know, tell your students
01:20:31.380 they shouldn't have to read the book that we were reading at the time was called Bull Run
01:20:37.300 vetted by The New York Times.
01:20:39.940 They were told to listen.
01:20:42.800 We were told to provide audio recordings of this book.
01:20:48.120 So kids wouldn't have to actually read the book, read the literature.
01:20:52.600 They could just listen.
01:20:54.160 Now, we always have audio to accompany reading.
01:20:57.000 So it's not that.
01:20:57.920 So I know there are going to be teachers out there saying, wait a minute, wait a minute.
01:21:01.380 No, it wasn't that.
01:21:02.600 We were specifically mandated to tell kids not to read and to listen on audio books.
01:21:11.080 And I know this is happening at my son's school because he had that diary of a part-time
01:21:16.580 Indian with all the pornography in it that he was told to go home and listen to on audio
01:21:22.900 books as well, because they don't want kids to have to skip through those important sections
01:21:28.540 about race, those important sections in my son's case about sex and porn, you know, pornographic
01:21:36.560 sections in my son's case.
01:21:38.240 And at my school, it was all race-based.
01:21:40.200 They don't want kids to miss a moment of that.
01:21:42.320 They want them really tuned in.
01:21:44.260 And rather than read and write, by all means, have them listen all the time, you know.
01:21:51.400 What grade is your son in?
01:21:53.720 Tenth grade.
01:21:54.920 He's in an American literature class that is really actually not American literature at
01:21:59.560 all, has very little.
01:22:00.700 Oh, the literature is actually printed and written in America, but there's no historical
01:22:06.040 basis for any of the literature except for To Kill a Mockingbird and The Crucible.
01:22:12.820 So I love the fact that The Crucible is taught at the end where the people who speak out against
01:22:17.640 the establishment and speak for truth are burnt at the stake.
01:22:21.820 Hello?
01:22:23.480 Ramona, so what, because now we see the DOJ cracking down or threatening to crack down on
01:22:29.340 parents who speak up about exactly these issues at their school board meetings because parents
01:22:35.300 are figuring it out and getting louder in a great way, but they're going to intimidate
01:22:40.840 them too.
01:22:41.440 So you're right in the mix of all of this.
01:22:43.480 You're on the teacher and parent end of it.
01:22:45.940 What do you want parents out there to know?
01:22:48.040 Because I'll tell you, some people who I really love and care about recently were saying to
01:22:52.140 me, like, this isn't, this is critical race theory is not really taught in these schools
01:22:55.860 and this isn't really an issue.
01:22:57.060 And I'm jumping up and down having lived it saying, I'm telling you it's a thing and it's
01:23:02.660 dangerous.
01:23:03.760 That's what you're doing too in a way that may actually cost you your livelihood.
01:23:07.820 What do you want people to know?
01:23:10.560 What's the takeaway?
01:23:11.360 We must intervene.
01:23:13.960 We need every single parent in this country to speak out and to continue to speak out,
01:23:20.500 not only at their school board meetings, but we need teachers to feel emboldened and brave
01:23:26.140 enough to speak out against what is happening.
01:23:29.060 Because if we do not speak out, we will not recognize this country in eight years.
01:23:35.000 They're starting with our children, but they're going to end with our homes, our culture, our
01:23:42.860 history, our way of life as we know it.
01:23:46.720 That is what is happening.
01:23:48.260 And I hope I don't sound like I'm exaggerating, but that is the end game with all of this
01:23:53.040 terrible, terrible, terrible material.
01:23:55.520 So I would encourage parents to attend school committee meetings.
01:24:00.400 I would encourage teachers to quietly shut their door and teach the truth, teach about
01:24:07.660 the Holocaust, teach Frederick Douglass and all the multicultural literature that is actually
01:24:13.540 vetted, not by the New York Times, but in the canonical texts.
01:24:17.740 So, and also I would encourage parents to feel comfortable about asking this question, what
01:24:25.740 book is my child reading this quarter and what project is my child mandated to complete?
01:24:34.900 Because in that book and in that project, you will see all of the things that I'm talking
01:24:42.540 about, the racialized material, in some cases, the pornographic material, it will all be there.
01:24:49.560 So what school districts like to do is send parents links to 500 pages of curriculum because
01:24:57.360 they understand it's overwhelming.
01:24:59.100 I'm recommending this as a teacher, ask a teacher about the book and project that is being taught
01:25:05.040 in their English class.
01:25:07.220 And there you will find all of it.
01:25:10.120 And just to put a period on the end of that, we didn't get to this, but you were told you
01:25:14.620 would no longer be able to teach the Holocaust when you asked why you were told, you alleged
01:25:18.780 you were told, we do not teach the Holocaust because kids can't relate to the story.
01:25:22.820 Okay.
01:25:24.860 That's, that's a reason not to just skip right over that whole World War II thing.
01:25:29.800 And then the book that you were tweeting about was called Sex Plus by Lacey Green, finding
01:25:37.100 in, in your school library, I understand.
01:25:39.700 And we had to look at this talking about what is kink.
01:25:43.540 And it goes into kink and I'll just give the viewers and the listeners a little sample so
01:25:49.020 they understand what, what you're objecting to.
01:25:51.420 In sex toys, a chapter, they talk about vibrators then and now.
01:25:55.040 What's your sex toy made of?
01:25:56.660 Visiting the sex shop, cleaning sex toys, talking about the various sex toys in great, in great
01:26:02.220 detail.
01:26:03.500 I mean, just, I can't even repeat some of these terms in here, but it's not something
01:26:07.920 you'd want your middle schooler having anything to do with.
01:26:12.720 It's insane what's happening and it's past time to pay attention and speak up.
01:26:18.960 Ramona, we'll continue to follow this.
01:26:20.480 And if they fire you, please let us know.
01:26:23.040 And I will be the first to publicly humiliate everyone involved.
01:26:26.700 It's a pleasure talking to you.
01:26:28.700 Thank you so much for having me on your show.
01:26:31.160 Of course, we're with you.
01:26:33.100 We are behind you.
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