The Megyn Kelly Show - Vance and Erika Shine at TP, Kamala Whiffs, and Turning NJ Red, with Allie Beth Stuckey and Jack Ciattarelli ｜ Ep. 1183

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00:00:45.720 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:47.600 Live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:57.540 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:59.020 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Thursday.

00:01:01.420 We have a packed show for you today.

00:01:02.740 The GOP candidate for governor of New Jersey who might just pull this thing out.

00:01:07.360 Jack Cittarelli will be here later.

00:01:09.240 I mean, could we actually get a Republican governor for the People's Republic of New Jersey?

00:01:15.780 I know it wasn't that long ago that we had Chris Christie, but like, it seems like forever ago.

00:01:21.820 Their current governor, Phil Murphy, just signed a bill into law allowing abortion on demand through all nine months of pregnancy.

00:01:30.780 All nine months up until the day before the baby's born.

00:01:37.300 Could the state that backed that guy now back a Republican?

00:01:42.060 Maybe they're doing it in response to his radicalism on things as basic as third trimester abortions.

00:01:50.860 It's barbaric.

00:01:52.240 We're going to talk about it with Jack Cittarelli when he joins us live.

00:01:55.620 And also later in the show, Allie Beth Stuckey will be here. 0.98

00:01:59.540 She's great.

00:02:00.320 She's amazing, especially on issues involving women and faith.

00:02:04.400 So we'll run that by her.

00:02:06.440 But I want to start with a couple of announcements.

00:02:08.960 First, as you may know, Sirius XM Triumph Channel 111 is changing on Tuesday of next week, election day, over to the Megyn Kelly Channel.

00:02:20.680 Triumph will continue on.

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00:02:28.680 I don't know.

00:02:29.200 At first, I thought it was 123.

00:02:30.520 Now Steve's telling me it's 125.

00:02:31.680 But we're going to it's definitely going forward.

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00:02:48.820 So I want to give you a couple of announcements here.

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00:02:53.940 We announced already that Jesse Kelly was going to be joining the channel live at 6 p.m.

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00:03:45.320 OK, we're going to have many more announcements coming.

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00:05:40.340 Okay, let's get to some news.

00:05:42.320 There's a lot going on today.

00:05:43.860 What I want to start with is J.D. Vance appearing at the Charlie Kirk Turning Point event last night at the University of Mississippi.

00:05:51.460 What an extraordinary evening.

00:05:54.500 He was introduced by Erica Kirk.

00:05:57.640 And you know, the Vances have been so good to Erica, and she's really been leaning on Usha, who's been a complete rock for her.

00:06:06.080 I love the fact that Usha Vance is able to play this role for Erica.

00:06:10.220 She's a sweet, smart, strong woman.

00:06:13.760 She's completely changed J.D.'s life.

00:06:15.960 I met her back in 2017 when I first profiled him in depth for NBC and went deep on his family, his sister, Lindsay, his Aunt Wee, his mamaw, and Usha, who sat with us when I interviewed J.D. for that long piece in which J.D. said he really, he felt like he projected used car salesmen when people like me told him he should run for national office.

00:06:39.560 It was before he was even running for Senate.

00:06:42.180 And anyway, theirs is a deep love story.

00:06:44.260 They met at Yale Law School.

00:06:45.580 Both brilliant.

00:06:47.100 Both brought very different things to the relationship.

00:06:49.420 And among the gifts that Usha has is just a quiet strength.

00:06:54.920 Just to be in her presence, you can see it.

00:06:56.700 You have to be brilliant to wind up at Yale Law School and go on to clerk for the chief justice of the United States like she did.

00:07:03.860 She's truly gifted intellectually, and I think she's, you know how they use that phrase of sound mind.

00:07:09.820 I think she's really of sound mind.

00:07:12.120 I mean, she's got like an especially sound mind.

00:07:14.340 And like I said, a calmness to her that I think Erica has found comforting.

00:07:20.640 I saw Erica literally leaning on her at the Charlie Kirk Presidential Medal of Freedom Award ceremony a couple weeks ago at the White House.

00:07:28.420 In any event, it's fitting.

00:07:30.700 Erica's chosen her events post Charlie's death very carefully.

00:07:33.600 And she pointed out last night that it was the seven-week anniversary or mark since Charlie was killed.

00:07:41.780 And you know how that is, especially when you're close to somebody who dies.

00:07:44.760 You count it in days, weeks, months, and eventually years.

00:07:51.420 And she's still in the counting it in weeks phase of being a widow. 0.98

00:07:56.460 So she flew cross-country.

00:07:58.000 She introduced J.D. Vance at University of Mississippi, and they both got a hero's welcome.

00:08:05.720 Let me just show you the lines to get in.

00:08:07.220 All right, Turning Point put this out.

00:08:08.640 And you can see the people lining up.

00:08:10.640 It's raining too, which really shows how badly they wanted to get in there.

00:08:13.740 You know, it's like it's tough to ask people to stand in a line all day.

00:08:16.620 They've got their ponchos.

00:08:17.800 They've got their umbrellas.

00:08:19.320 It seems to go for miles and miles and miles.

00:08:23.060 Andrew Colvert, the EP of Charlie's show, was reporting online yesterday that half of the students at the University of Mississippi applied for tickets.

00:08:36.080 They were free.

00:08:36.680 But half, half of all students at the university tried to get into this thing.

00:08:42.760 And then on top of that, another 13,000 adults and faculty and so on.

00:08:48.060 So look at this.

00:08:49.340 Just for the listening audience, we're still showing the line.

00:08:51.460 It's still going for all the time I've been talking.

00:08:53.960 My God, there's no end to it.

00:08:55.360 You can see the enthusiasm for Turning Point, for our sitting vice president, and of course, for beautiful, sweet, sensitive Erica.

00:09:06.540 Erica, there's video of her behind the stage, and she's wearing, for the listening audience, jeans and a white Freedom t-shirt like Charlie had on when he died.

00:09:15.260 And they did something.

00:09:16.940 Turning Point is very sophisticated on its productions and clever in the use of its tape.

00:09:23.880 And they did something that I'm sure they got her blessing for.

00:09:27.060 They used Charlie's voice to introduce Erica to the stage, obviously, from an earlier appearance of hers. 0.90

00:09:35.040 Can we play that with the sound, you guys?

00:09:36.780 Do we have that?

00:09:37.320 The next speaker is a very, very special speaker, and she has had a heroic last year, and I believe she's the best mom in the world.

00:09:50.980 Truly the best mom in the world.

00:09:52.640 She is my hero and the love of my life.

00:09:55.440 Join me in welcoming Erica Kirk.

00:09:57.360 She's now walking out at the University of Mississippi last night.

00:10:15.360 She's now walking out at the University of Mississippi last night.

00:10:45.660 to honor the things that Charlie was fighting for.

00:10:48.480 She's so strong, honestly.

00:10:51.260 It's like seven weeks out is a short amount of time, and she has been forcing herself to do a few of these things just to keep now her organization going

00:11:02.240 and to keep Turning Point on people's minds, which is what Charlie would have wanted.

00:11:08.920 She spoke to the crowd before J.D. came out, and here's a little bit of that.

00:11:13.480 It's not six.

00:11:15.360 Being the courageous generation that you are, stand up for the truth.

00:11:22.260 Defend life.

00:11:24.680 Love your family fearlessly.

00:11:26.800 Love your spouse fearlessly.

00:11:31.340 Love this country.

00:11:34.620 Defend her.

00:11:38.180 Defend her.

00:11:39.540 And serve our God.

00:11:42.120 And don't think that it's someone else's role to do it.

00:11:45.440 You do it.

00:11:46.660 You do it.

00:11:49.680 You do it.

00:11:52.820 Do it for Charlie.

00:11:56.140 Do it for Charlie.

00:11:57.020 Wow.

00:12:03.340 I'm in a standing room only in the auditorium, and you can feel the love that those students and others were sending to Erica, Kirk.

00:12:10.760 That was a good decision.

00:12:12.500 You know, she should only be going to places that are loving right now. 0.97

00:12:16.180 She should stay off the internet with the insane theories that are being kicked around. 0.95

00:12:21.520 People are so harsh.

00:12:22.700 People are crazy.

00:12:24.200 People are literally attacking her for seeming two together.

00:12:28.680 You know, as if, I mean, there's like crazy theory.

00:12:30.660 I don't want to get into it, but she should stay off the internet. 0.96

00:12:33.360 And she should go to places like that where she can feel what's real, what's real.

00:12:39.520 The love for Charlie, the love for her, the love for her family, the love for her turning point family, which she and Charlie helped build.

00:12:48.420 I mean, she helped Charlie build it in the later years and take it next level and inspired him to take his own life next level.

00:12:58.940 I don't know.

00:12:59.880 It's, you know, she's coming to our tour too.

00:13:02.300 You know that, right?

00:13:02.920 She's coming to Glendale, Arizona.

00:13:05.260 It is all but sold out.

00:13:06.620 I think we literally only have a couple tickets left.

00:13:08.960 Forgive me if you get to the website and it's sold out because last I looked, it was like there was a smidge left.

00:13:14.900 You can try at megankelly.com.

00:13:16.800 But that's a big, big auditorium.

00:13:20.180 That's like a big arena.

00:13:21.240 And it sold out like almost instantly, like as soon as we announced she was coming.

00:13:24.820 And you can just feel the enthusiasm for her, for Charlie still.

00:13:29.000 That's going to be the most powerful night of the tour with respect to all my other guests.

00:13:32.680 I think they would probably concede this too.

00:13:35.020 We're finishing off the tour in Glendale, Arizona with Erica.

00:13:38.320 And this will be her first, you know, live on stage sit down talking about herself.

00:13:48.120 She's giving one other interview to Fox and our pal Jesse Waters about Turning Point and Charlie.

00:13:52.280 And that's good.

00:13:52.860 That's good too.

00:13:53.420 She should be doing what's right for Turning Point.

00:13:55.480 But this one's going to be personal.

00:13:58.160 And I don't know.

00:14:01.500 It's weird to say I'm looking forward to it.

00:14:03.200 But I am looking forward to it because I have a love for Erica Kirk that's like pretty profound.

00:14:10.360 I feel the need to look after her.

00:14:13.840 And I feel like this is, I don't know.

00:14:17.840 I just kind of feel like Charlie wants me to do this.

00:14:20.000 And I will do this.

00:14:21.180 And I will handle it right.

00:14:22.620 And I think Erica will leave feeling better.

00:14:26.700 Feeling like some important things were said and some important things were shared.

00:14:31.520 In any event, looking forward to that.

00:14:33.560 She introduced Vice President J.D. Vance.

00:14:37.020 And when he got on the stage, take a listen to how the auditorium sounded here in SOT 7.

00:14:59.900 Ole Miss, I got a question.

00:15:01.420 Are you ready?

00:15:08.120 Hell yeah.

00:15:09.440 Damn right.

00:15:11.500 Hotty toddy.

00:15:12.360 Gosh almighty.

00:15:14.620 Who the hell are we?

00:15:15.820 Hey.

00:15:16.840 Flim flam, bim bam, Ole Miss by damn.

00:15:19.180 It's a thing.

00:15:21.040 Clearly he knew how to evoke the Ole Miss cheer and the students responded totally appropriately.

00:15:27.820 He then took the Q&A.

00:15:31.240 And boy, oh boy, was that fun.

00:15:33.040 He is so smooth.

00:15:34.760 The way he handled himself, the way he interacted with these students, had virtually every right-wing publication today using the number 48.

00:15:45.140 48, 48, 48.

00:15:46.740 Got up there.

00:15:47.420 48 was great.

00:15:49.280 Let's look at some of it.

00:15:50.340 Here is one of the soundbites that's gone viral, SOT 8.

00:15:54.360 Watch it.

00:15:54.760 Pushing out policies that hurt us.

00:15:58.080 And these policies are not even solving the problems.

00:16:01.740 These policies are just creating chaos.

00:16:04.520 I can believe that the United States should lower its levels of immigration in the future while also respecting that there are people who have come here through lawful immigration pathways that have contributed to the country. 0.99

00:16:19.120 But just because one person or 10 people or 100 people came in legally and contributed to the United States of America, does that mean that we're thereby committed to let in a million or 10 million or 100 million people a year in the future?

00:16:34.040 No, that's not right.

00:16:35.280 We cannot have – I'll go and finish.

00:16:38.220 We cannot have an immigration policy where what was good for the country 50 or 60 years ago binds the country inevitably for the future.

00:16:46.480 There are too many people who want to come to the United States of America, and my job as vice president is not to look out for the interests of the whole world. 0.81

00:16:53.620 It's to look out for the people of the United States.

00:17:03.100 Rockstar.

00:17:03.920 In the middle of the question, the woman raises her hand again.

00:17:06.840 She's got a follow-up.

00:17:08.200 At one point he says – I think it was to her because he did allow somebody to ask a multi-pronged question.

00:17:14.040 And he was like, you know, let me see if I can condense the nine questions you just asked me.

00:17:19.440 He was her.

00:17:20.460 He's just – he's funny, and he's very deft at maneuvering through these issues and condensing down, like, a lot of information into its most salient point and hitting it.

00:17:32.860 It's from all the experience he's had.

00:17:35.100 It's from his fearlessness and going on those Sunday shows with hostile media.

00:17:38.640 Like, there's not a corner he won't go into.

00:17:41.440 Unlike the left, he's used to getting cross-examined by people who can't stand him.

00:17:45.820 So answering a few questions from a couple of hostile students at University of Mississippi, not a problem.

00:17:51.800 Here he's asked about how his faith has helped him in his current job.

00:17:56.820 Take a listen to SOT9.

00:17:57.780 Can you tell us how your faith helps you in your role as vice president?

00:18:03.000 I grew up in a country where you just didn't hear political leaders talk about their faith.

00:18:06.880 But the reason why I try to be the best husband I can be, the best father I can be, the reason why I care so much about all the issues that we're going to talk about is because I believe that I've been placed in this position for a brief period of time to do the most amount of good for God and for the country that I love so much.

00:18:27.280 And I have two very important duties as vice president of the United States to the American people and to God, and that's the most important influence my faith has on me.

00:18:35.160 Thank you.

00:18:35.700 He talked about how he is hoping that at some point his wife, Usha, will convert to Christianity, and I think he said she's agnostic.

00:18:52.840 I think that's what he said, and forgive me if I've gotten that wrong, pretty sure that's what he said, and that he's hoping that soon she will convert to Christianity.

00:19:00.240 Yeah, that's what he said, and that would be pretty extraordinary.

00:19:04.040 He said they're raising their children Christian.

00:19:07.320 And then he also talked about how he grew up in an area, you know, of course, he was in Middletown, Ohio.

00:19:13.760 He spent lots of his summers down in the Hala in Kentucky, and he talked about how where he grew up, people were faithful, but they did not talk about their faith.

00:19:21.540 It was not like the way Charlie did it, but talked about how Charlie really influenced him on that front, and as he did with so many of us.

00:19:29.840 You know, right now I'm on my fourth faith book that I've been reading just in the past couple of weeks, thanks to Charlie.

00:19:34.580 I think a lot of us are going through that, and thanks to all of you, too, by the way, who many of you emailed into the show and emailed me, Megan, at MeganKelley.com, with your recommendations of faith-based books that could help somebody like me who's looking for a window of entry.

00:19:50.780 I mean, obviously, I'm Catholic, but I don't know the Bible.

00:19:54.280 I don't know Scripture.

00:19:55.500 I certainly can't quote it the way Charlie could, and I have been having questions about faith, given everything that's been going on with the annulment process that I'm pursuing on my first time.

00:20:04.580 I think you guys have heard that story.

00:20:06.440 So, in any event, he can relate from the sound of it.

00:20:09.620 Maybe Usha can relate from the sound of it, and maybe some of you guys can relate, too, so good for him for taking that on.

00:20:16.480 The question of what we're doing with our National Guard in U.S. cities came up, and this was an interesting answer because it kind of got to, I think, overall, in my view, also maybe some of the lawfare.

00:20:28.320 It was basically, should we be more careful when we Republicans are in charge, understanding that we won't always be, and that when Democrat rule returns, some of these same tactics are going to get turned around on us.

00:20:43.520 That's basically where I think this questioner was going.

00:20:45.660 So, take a listen to the question, but listen, most importantly, to how J.D. answers it.

00:20:50.400 You guys have sent the military into Washington, D.C. and a few other cities that I can't think of off the top of my head, which, first off, they've had wonderful results.

00:21:00.400 Like, no one, no one can deny the results of that.

00:21:03.580 It's wonderful.

00:21:04.540 Some might even say the greatest.

00:21:05.940 Well, it's not necessarily something you did wrong, but it's what could someone else do wrong.

00:21:11.900 Let's say we get a complete tyrant in office, and let's say we're having, let's say Turning Point USA is having a huge protest against, you know, something really bad that we don't like.

00:21:22.460 And let's say he's, a president is saying that it's getting violent.

00:21:25.860 How can we prevent someone from abusing that power?

00:21:28.200 Here's something that I want conservatives, I want every conservative to remember.

00:21:32.120 It's an important part of my entire political philosophy, is we cannot be afraid to do something because the left might do it in the future.

00:21:40.840 The left is already going to do it regardless of whether we do it.

00:21:44.320 That is the takeaway of the last 40 years.

00:21:49.480 What I'm worried about, frankly, is what the far left already did with American law enforcement, and that is the thing that we have to prevent against.

00:21:57.300 And the answer to that question is you make sure the people who did it face penalties for using the federal power against American citizens.

00:22:06.900 Right on.

00:22:07.940 And that's what's happening.

00:22:09.500 That's what's happening.

00:22:11.140 I mean, they're going through all these old files.

00:22:14.580 And if it's if it's beyond the point where a crime could be charged, they're just outing them to the media, you know.

00:22:20.720 And if it's something that's not a crime, but a scandal, they're outing it to the media.

00:22:25.880 And if it's something that actually is a crime, like John Bolton allegedly sending classified documents to himself and his wife and his daughter without clearance, they're charging it.

00:22:37.320 And some of the worst actors obviously are getting charged for other crimes that would not clearly have been charged.

00:22:44.500 But for the fact that they charged Trump with made up crimes like Tish James, she's at least getting charged with a real crime.

00:22:52.800 Whether she did it, she'll have her day in court to prove one way or the other.

00:22:55.980 But I mean, no one's disputing that charge would not normally be brought against her.

00:22:59.720 It was brought because she made several years of Trump's life a living hell when she tried to steal his business from him over bullshit made up charges involving alleged bank fraud that he did not commit.

00:23:13.140 I mean, it was just so obvious.

00:23:14.760 All the banks said he paid us back with interest.

00:23:17.100 We're delighted to do business with him.

00:23:18.700 And she said, no, there's some inherent harm in just you having gotten these interest rates for some time.

00:23:24.880 Well, now she's dealing with interest rates and accusations that she got some sort of a benefit, whether somebody was actually harmed or not.

00:23:32.300 It's the turning of the tables.

00:23:33.720 Fine with it.

00:23:34.560 I'm totally fine with it.

00:23:36.640 And if she's not guilty legally, we'll hear that from a judge or a jury.

00:23:41.200 Fine.

00:23:41.620 But I like the fact that he's standing behind it and he's not apologetic about it because he's exactly right.

00:23:48.160 They they are going to do what they are going to do.

00:23:51.420 We saw that during the Biden administration.

00:23:53.620 How many times do we have to learn the lesson that they will be absolutely ruthless when in power?

00:23:59.380 Absolutely ruthless.

00:24:00.940 And the only question is whether Republicans are in power.

00:24:04.320 They are going to try to hold those ruthless people to account.

00:24:08.760 That's what's happening right now.

00:24:10.380 So good for him for understanding that and understanding, you know, what's the point of having power if you're not going to use it?

00:24:17.280 You know, that's what you were elected to do.

00:24:18.720 Clean up these cities.

00:24:19.840 Get rid of these illegals and restore some accountability to these disgusting offices that have been totally corrupted under Democrat rule. 0.92

00:24:28.040 Like the DOJ, like the FBI.

00:24:32.120 Finally, the issue of faith came back up.

00:24:35.820 And J.D. had more to say on on the subject of faith in the public square.

00:24:40.500 Take a listen to SOT 10.

00:24:42.480 As much as I hope and pray that we can be a nation of Christians, the idea of a Christian nation scares me. 0.99

00:24:50.600 So I'd like to hear your feedback on a pretty nuanced argument here that perhaps there should be a wall of separation, as at least one of our founders advocated, between church and state at the national level.

00:25:03.280 However, that line can and should get blurrier as we descend to the community level.

00:25:07.840 If you go back to the First Amendment, it doesn't say separation of church and state.

00:25:11.900 It says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

00:25:15.740 But if you go back to the founding time, there were actually a number of states that had formally recognized churches.

00:25:22.680 So there was the Anglican Church of Virginia.

00:25:25.020 That was the official state church of Virginia.

00:25:26.800 And yes, I do think that what happened is the Supreme Court interpreted Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion to effectively throw the church out of every public space at the federal, state and local level.

00:25:40.320 I think it was a terrible mistake, and we're still paying for the consequences of it today.

00:25:44.540 But if, and I think this is your point, if you were to undo that, if you were to get back to a system actually meant by the founders where Congress is not setting up an established religion,

00:25:54.620 but people in their local communities can kind of do whatever it is that they want to do, I think that would be a better system than what we have today.

00:26:01.920 But I think the most important principle that we have got to remember is you do not, you do not have to completely kick God out of the public square, which is what we've done in modern America.

00:26:14.560 It's not what the founders wanted.

00:26:16.160 It's not good for the United States of America.

00:26:18.180 And anybody who tells you it's required by the Constitution is lying to you.

00:26:23.120 Amen.

00:26:23.560 And religion was all over the public square when this country was founded.

00:26:28.220 What do you see all over our money?

00:26:29.640 In God we trust.

00:26:30.660 Why is that there?

00:26:31.620 The Ten Commandments were everywhere.

00:26:34.560 We've deluded ourselves into believing that you can't have any mention of religion or that we're not actually a Christian nation, which was kind of baked into his question.

00:26:42.020 We are a Christian nation.

00:26:43.460 We are.

00:26:44.840 And our Constitution was set up based on foundational principles of Christianity, including the Ten Commandments.

00:26:54.420 So there's nothing wrong with that.

00:26:56.240 That's fine.

00:26:57.220 There are a lot of virtually every country in the Middle East is based on a different religion.

00:27:04.420 Islam.

00:27:05.220 Okay.

00:27:05.580 That's how they want to live.

00:27:07.080 Great.

00:27:07.640 That's not how we want to live.

00:27:09.100 That's fine, too.

00:27:10.740 It's the radical left that has made us pull religion out of every corner of the public square.

00:27:15.500 And thanks to some radical judges who have issued some rulings suggesting you can't have any reference to it.

00:27:22.300 And we need to get back to that.

00:27:23.840 We actually need more religion in the public square.

00:27:26.240 We do.

00:27:26.720 We need more Christianity in the public square.

00:27:29.820 That's the answer.

00:27:30.840 That's the way out of this for everybody.

00:27:32.860 More faith in the public square and in their lives and more connection for people and more dwarfing of oneself and understanding that there is something larger than you in this world that matters.

00:27:42.680 There's a reason atheists and others push that out and have led us into being more and more godless.

00:27:52.780 And I do think it's directly linked to those polls we talked about yesterday where you've got between 20 and 30 percent of leftists who think political violence is acceptable, who think it's fine.

00:28:02.120 And we saw that poll of Illinois primary voters in the Democrat Party thinking 81 percent of them say Trump and MAGA are Nazis, 81 percent.

00:28:12.980 So I do think those people need to get back in touch with God, with with their faith and understand the roots of this country and what leads to happiness and what doesn't.

00:28:24.980 A life of atheism and nonbelief and disconnection to anything other than one's navel has proven to be deeply problematic and dangerous and we're going down the wrong path.

00:28:38.160 OK, I want to keep going.

00:28:40.160 Kamala Harris, she's finally subjected herself to a couple of mildly challenging interviews, and it's no coincidence that it happened overseas.

00:28:50.440 Right. We showed you the one with the British journalist the other day, and now we have an Aussie who works for the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

00:28:59.900 Her name is Sarah Ferguson. And take a look at this exchange that happened with these two.

00:29:04.660 SOT 3.

00:29:06.400 Wasn't Joe Biden meant to put it on him? Wasn't his refusal to recognize his own frailties the reason that you faced a nearly impossible task?

00:29:15.740 I ran against Donald Trump for president. And Donald Trump ran on a platform that was in large part, I believe, misrepresenting his intentions.

00:29:30.900 Non-responsive.

00:29:31.360 I do believe that there are a fair number of people that voted for Donald Trump who believed him when he told them that his first priority on day one is going to be to bring down prices. And he didn't.

00:29:45.560 And you combine that misrepresentation of intention with also what was at play in terms of massive amounts of mis and disinformation.

00:29:56.140 And a truncated calendar in terms of the clock.

00:30:01.140 I want to interrupt you because that is a world-class pivot, but it is not the question that I asked you, which is about Joe Biden's failure to recognize his own frailties and what that did to you.

00:30:13.420 The question is about Joe Biden. Are you still reluctant to criticize the former president?

00:30:18.780 In what regard, please?

00:30:19.860 Well, just in terms of that question.

00:30:22.020 So you went on.

00:30:22.960 What exactly would you like to ask? Be more specific.

00:30:25.360 She asked it twice.

00:30:26.560 Was it Joe Biden's decision, his failure to recognize his own frailties in that position that put you in the position that made it almost impossible to win that race?

00:30:36.460 He was not frail as president of the United States.

00:30:39.040 But he had frailties.

00:30:39.880 Oh, really?

00:30:40.180 We all saw the debate.

00:30:43.120 I do believe that Joe Biden had the capacity to be president of the United States.

00:30:49.220 And she goes on to say, you know, maybe not the capacity to run for president.

00:30:54.040 She tries to draw some distinction.

00:30:56.260 Listening audience, you'll have to watch this clip back on YouTube.

00:30:58.720 Go to 28 after the hour.

00:31:00.340 She looks dumbfounded.

00:31:02.140 She's truly stunned that she's being asked a difficult question.

00:31:05.740 It is amazing.

00:31:06.440 It's been like on the theme of our week here on the show as we watch these dumbfounded Democrats.

00:31:10.900 Like, what are you doing?

00:31:12.740 Like Kareem Jean-Pierre, you know, in the in the interview with the New Yorker, like they don't understand.

00:31:17.440 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:31:18.680 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:31:20.800 And Kamala pretending she asked a precise question. 0.59

00:31:24.220 The problem is your question.

00:31:25.660 The problem.

00:31:26.160 The question was very, very simple.

00:31:27.600 Wasn't Joe Biden, wasn't his refusal to recognize his own frailties the reason that you faced a nearly impossible task?

00:31:37.300 Then she answered an entirely different question, talked about how Donald Trump promised affordability and he didn't deliver it.

00:31:42.420 She got interrupted.

00:31:43.120 And she said, again, that's that's that's a world class pivot.

00:31:47.580 That's not the question I asked, which is about Joe Biden's failure to recognize his own frailties and what that did to you.

00:31:53.720 The question is about Biden.

00:31:55.540 Are you still reluctant to criticize the former president in what regard?

00:32:00.000 In the exact regard I just told you twice now, twice, twice I talked about his failure to recognize his own frailties.

00:32:07.800 That's literally the phrase the reporter used in both of the questions.

00:32:11.260 Kamala pretended she didn't understand.

00:32:13.820 She did understand this one.

00:32:15.320 She's not as dumb as Karine Jean-Pierre.

00:32:17.400 And she just pretended she didn't because she didn't want to answer it.

00:32:20.820 And then in what regard people, which is like, what?

00:32:23.740 You can tell she's flustered in terms of that question.

00:32:26.500 What exactly would you like to ask?

00:32:27.880 Be more specific.

00:32:29.260 OK, you know exactly what she's asking.

00:32:30.920 You're stalling now for time because you're shocked you've been asked a pointed question and you're being forced to answer it.

00:32:37.560 And she asked it a third time.

00:32:39.540 Was it Joe Biden's decision, his failure to recognize his own frailties in that position, that puts you in the position and made it almost impossible for you to win that race?

00:32:50.060 He was not frail as president of the United States.

00:32:52.920 Oh, my God.

00:32:54.380 Amazing.

00:32:55.300 That's where she landed.

00:32:56.340 He wasn't frail.

00:32:56.880 Well, here we are all this time later.

00:32:59.160 I mean, truly, it's going to be a year later next month that she lost.

00:33:03.020 And she still can't admit the truth.

00:33:07.860 Like the gaslighting is amazing.

00:33:10.540 And speaking of gaslighting, we did a story on AM Update.

00:33:16.800 I think it was yesterday morning.

00:33:18.600 My mornings are blending together.

00:33:20.240 I'm talking about how all these people went in there and they pled the fifth, including Dr.

00:33:27.500 Kevin O'Connor, President Joe Biden's personal physician.

00:33:30.960 And the House Oversight Committee has now referred this all to the DOJ, saying, you know, like, please investigate these people who took the fifth on what appears to be the greatest cover up in presidential history.

00:33:43.080 That Joe Biden was incompetent and non-composmentous.

00:33:46.480 And even his own physician appears to have been in on the cover up.

00:33:49.740 Please, please look at him.

00:33:51.240 Pam Bondi, because he pled the fifth when he came before us at House Oversight.

00:33:54.160 And we were talking about Dr. Kevin O'Connor in the piece, and we pointed out the fact that he helped before Joe Biden had returned, had won president.

00:34:05.980 It was like 2017, 18, 19, right in that time frame there.

00:34:10.100 So Trump was president.

00:34:11.340 And he helped facilitate some business deal with a hospital group for Joe Biden's brother, James.

00:34:18.980 And so Jim Biden got this sweetheart deal where right after Dr.

00:34:23.840 Kevin O'Connor hooked him up with this medical group, he got a loan from that group of $600,000.

00:34:30.460 And that day, $200,000 arrived across the transom.

00:34:34.360 And later that same day, $200,000 went from Jim Biden to Joe Biden.

00:34:39.880 OK, it all seemed very suspicious.

00:34:42.740 And why was Dr. Kevin O'Connor recommending Jim Biden to do anything with a hospital group when the guy had zero experience in hospital administration?

00:34:51.660 It spoke to the cozy, the overly familiar relationship that this doctor had with the Bidens from Jill to Jim to Joe and raised the question of whether Dr.

00:35:06.080 O'Connor received any sort of a kickback.

00:35:07.840 Well, we didn't know the answer to that because what we did have was a denial from James Biden's lawyer that this doctor received any kickback.

00:35:16.560 But we couldn't ask the doctor himself because, again, he pled the fifth.

00:35:22.540 OK, and we went back actually to see who specifically it was Joe.

00:35:27.080 It was the Biden spokesperson, Joe Biden, who said there was no kickback.

00:35:31.940 We went back to see who that was, who denied it.

00:35:34.520 And it was a White House spokesperson named Ian Sams.

00:35:36.660 And I remember thinking, I'm pretty sure that guy's lied to us many, many times.

00:35:41.660 He's been on, you know, we've run clips of him many, many times where he was denying the mental acuity problems and so on.

00:35:48.440 And it was very clear to me he was a liar.

00:35:50.960 And he's in the news today.

00:35:52.900 Why is he in the news today?

00:35:54.020 Because he, too, had to give an interview to the Oversight Committee.

00:35:57.800 And he was asked about how he allegedly knew that Joe Biden was a OK, something he said publicly and apparently insisted was true to the House Oversight Committee.

00:36:12.520 How did you know?

00:36:13.420 How much time did you spend with him?

00:36:14.680 Like, walk us through the two of your relationship.

00:36:17.280 And would you listen to this?

00:36:20.180 Sop one.

00:36:21.980 How often would you say that you interacted with the president in person?

00:36:25.820 I interacted with him pretty infrequently.

00:36:28.760 So.

00:36:30.380 Weekly, monthly.

00:36:32.060 What were we talking about?

00:36:33.620 Very infrequent.

00:36:35.320 I think I met with the president a handful of times during my tenure in the White House.

00:36:41.480 Pulled a couple of quotes.

00:36:42.340 Handful.

00:36:42.620 As the interview you did on MSNBC, and one of the quotes says, when I deal with him, he is sharp, him being President Biden.

00:36:51.420 And he is asking tough questions.

00:36:53.180 Do you recall this?

00:36:54.100 I've got to say, that doesn't look anything like the president that I know.

00:36:56.740 When I deal with him, he's sharp.

00:36:58.180 He's asking tough questions.

00:36:59.660 That's the President Biden that so many of us experience every single day.

00:37:04.040 Liar.

00:37:04.440 So this statement, the basis for this statement was your interactions somewhere between one and five times.

00:37:11.820 Yes.

00:37:12.620 Okay.

00:37:14.060 Do you think that's a bit misleading?

00:37:18.760 I think it was pretty direct and honest and said that when I do deal with him, he's, you know, sharp.

00:37:24.760 And he was asking incisive questions during my meetings with him.

00:37:28.320 But you dealt with him five times in 24 months.

00:37:33.140 That's not exactly a large scope of knowledge on how he interacts with staff.

00:37:38.760 You know, I think it's missing some context.

00:37:40.880 Do you think that statement suggests that you deal with him more than he did?

00:37:47.200 I don't think so.

00:37:50.140 I mean, I spoke about my own interactions with him.

00:37:52.880 That's the President Biden that we experience every day.

00:37:57.100 Every day.

00:37:57.780 By the way, he goes on to admit that he only saw him in person twice, twice in all those years.

00:38:06.260 And he's running around on MSNBC saying he is sharp.

00:38:09.180 He cross-examines with questions.

00:38:11.020 That's the Biden we see every day.

00:38:12.700 You never saw him.

00:38:13.840 You lied.

00:38:14.740 You're a liar.

00:38:15.340 It's obvious, Ian Sams.

00:38:18.500 You disgraced yourself.

00:38:20.620 Why didn't you just say, in my position, I'm low person on the totem pole and I don't get that much exposure to the President.

00:38:26.940 But I will tell you, in the couple of times I've seen him, I give him an A+.

00:38:31.260 That would be honest spin.

00:38:33.540 But instead, you got caught in a lie and then you had to admit it and then you wouldn't confess to being out of context at a minimum.

00:38:41.400 Those Republicans were being nice to you in the way they styled what you did on MSNBC.

00:38:45.700 And that is why MSNBC viewers, in part, were grossly misled about the state of the President.

00:38:52.340 They have you to blame.

00:38:53.980 You, Kamala Harris, Kareem Jean-Pierre, and Joe Biden and his family themselves.

00:39:00.360 Plus these top aides like Mike Donilon, who we talked about the other day, who admitted he had not only $4 million in his pocket to get Biden reelected,

00:39:10.080 but another $4 million promised him if he could get him over the finish line.

00:39:14.080 Okay, we're going to bring on Allie Beth in a second, but I just want to make two more points, two more points before we do. 0.97

00:39:21.280 One of the things that I've been thinking about today because we are, yesterday was a seven-week mark on Charlie, is the Kirk family.

00:39:31.740 And there was a video that was shown online, Erica posted it, of their little girl who's three.

00:39:38.220 And they appear to be going by the Charlie, the Turning Point HQ in Arizona.

00:39:44.920 It's totally heartbreaking.

00:39:46.920 And the reason I want to show it is because of the heartlessness of the left.

00:39:52.480 You know, we're not only dealing with people who are serial fabulists, to put it nicely, for this guy Ian Sams and Kamala Harris,

00:39:58.660 but who really have lost their humanity, as we've been covering on this show ever since Charlie died.

00:40:05.200 And the absolute inhumanity.

00:40:07.400 And the people who, like Lucy Martinez, who mocked shooting herself in the neck when the Charlie Kirk truck drove by her No Kings protest,

00:40:15.780 who's still working in Chicago schools.

00:40:17.780 And all the others.

00:40:18.700 She's not alone.

00:40:19.640 All the Halloween costumes.

00:40:20.700 All the celebration of Charlie, you know, these fake costumes of, like, fake blood coming out of people's necks.

00:40:25.980 It's disgusting.

00:40:27.720 You remember this when you see those next time.

00:40:30.140 Here's this little girl riding in a car past the Turning Point HQ.

00:40:49.700 She's singing her dad's name.

00:40:51.900 She has no idea.

00:40:52.900 She does not understand.

00:40:54.540 She's too little to.

00:40:55.980 And her little brother doesn't understand either, who is actually truly just a baby.

00:41:00.560 So shame on those people.

00:41:02.080 Shame on you, Jamie Lee Curtis, for taking back the sympathy you offered for him.

00:41:07.320 Shame on you, Gavin Newsom, for trying to lie about how much your son admired him,

00:41:12.860 now that you've apparently received blowback from who knows whom on the left.

00:41:17.100 Shame on you.

00:41:17.820 It's not just the seven-week, one-day mark since we lost Charlie.

00:41:25.600 It also happens to be the four-year mark since my dear friends, Allison and Tom Barclidge, lost their son, Blake.

00:41:34.040 Blake died at age 17 from a heart attack on this day four years ago after contracting myocarditis.

00:41:41.820 Here we are.

00:41:43.820 This is Allison and Tom, and that's their daughter, Lexi, who survived her brother, her big brother, Blake, at our annual Fourth of July party, where we dress up like colonial figures.

00:41:54.300 Here's Blake, gone too soon at age 17.

00:41:57.360 The parents don't know.

00:41:59.920 We did a piece on Blake, and we talked about the myocarditis.

00:42:03.400 They don't know.

00:42:04.260 He did have COVID, which can cause heart infection.

00:42:07.780 He had received a double dose of the vaccine, as almost every teenage boy did, because those are the recommendations.

00:42:15.200 Most places you couldn't even go to school.

00:42:17.040 Most colleges, he was in high school, but couldn't even go unless you proved that you did it.

00:42:20.580 And they don't know what caused the myocarditis exactly or what, you know, what led to it, but they know it caused a heart attack in someone they adored too soon.

00:42:32.700 And as a result, they lost their son, Blake, and Lexi lost her big brother, Blake.

00:42:37.420 Here's a piece of the tribute we did to Blake a year or so after he died.

00:42:42.160 Blake, what lessons has this taught you about why we're here, what your purpose is?

00:42:50.960 I mean, every time I'm hanging with my friends now, I like, I always just take a second just to like look around.

00:42:58.240 Because I feel like when I used to hang out with them, with my friends, I wouldn't like live in the moment, I guess you could say.

00:43:05.240 And it would go so fast and then it's over.

00:43:07.000 Now, like, we're all leaving for college to hang out before last few weeks.

00:43:12.420 Like, I just look around and just, I can enjoy it so much more.

00:43:16.740 Clemson's man down going into this freshman year.

00:43:21.240 Yeah.

00:43:21.800 They lost a good one.

00:43:23.820 They did.

00:43:37.000 Oh, those are Blake's friends, Kyle and Hayden, who were there when he collapsed.

00:43:57.680 And they're still suffering.

00:43:59.420 But I wanted to tell you the upshot as we're thinking about Erica Kirk and we're thinking about Erica and Charlie's two babes.

00:44:05.980 And that is the Barkledges were determined.

00:44:09.540 That's one of the reasons we profiled them was because the mom and dad, who are dear friends of ours, just refused to give up.

00:44:17.100 They refused to let their lives be ruined to subject their daughter, Lexi, to a life of nonstop pain.

00:44:24.040 They did turn their pain into purpose.

00:44:27.000 And since then, they've formed this foundation, Blake Gives Back, which is helping do screenings at hospitals, I'm sorry, at schools across the nation for cardiac irregularities.

00:44:39.340 And they've saved innumerable lives with kids who had no idea that there was something wrong.

00:44:47.500 But the EKGs that they've been offering found them, found them.

00:44:51.460 In one case, it was like one kid almost didn't go.

00:44:54.180 He was like the last one in.

00:44:55.460 He barely got the test.

00:44:56.600 He had something else going on.

00:44:58.040 Sure enough, he had an issue.

00:44:59.020 And he got it addressed thanks to this Blake Gives Back foundation that they're now running in honor of their son, powered by their son and his memory.

00:45:10.000 So they've – Tom, you may remember he works at Johnson & Johnson.

00:45:15.120 And that wasn't for whatever it's worth, the vaccine that Blake got.

00:45:18.920 But he works at J&J, and he changed the bereavement policy there, which had only allowed for five days off in the loss of an immediate family member to now 30, 30 days off, which of course is what it should be.

00:45:31.460 And J&J was very good about it and like very – has been very supportive of the Barkledges.

00:45:36.240 Because it's just – I'm just thinking about it because in the initial stages here, when you're two months in, you're not – most people can't even function.

00:45:46.160 Never mind think about – I mean, when we ran that tribute for Blake, Tom and Allison, they hadn't formed Blake Gives Back.

00:45:52.840 They hadn't done anything.

00:45:53.520 I remember saying like you might want to consider like a foundation or something.

00:45:55.860 But they were – it was like, you know, you're still dealing with your grief.

00:45:59.140 So it's a couple things.

00:46:00.160 Number one, four years later, they're on their feet.

00:46:03.860 Lexi – well, I'll tell you about her in a second.

00:46:06.340 We talked about it in the piece, and I can barely tell this story without getting choked up.

00:46:09.960 But Blake had wanted to go to – either he was on the fence between, I think, Clemson and Georgia, but he really liked Clemson.

00:46:19.660 And he said, Dad, I think I could get a scholarship to Clemson.

00:46:22.280 He had really good grades.

00:46:23.600 And Tom said, Blake, if you get a scholarship to Clemson, you can go.

00:46:27.120 And they made a bet about whether Blake could do it.

00:46:31.080 And then Blake died on October 30, 2021.

00:46:34.760 And they called all the colleges to which Blake had applied.

00:46:39.600 He was a senior in high school.

00:46:40.720 It was the fall of his senior year.

00:46:42.000 And they withdrew Blake's applications because they didn't want Blake to get the spot of some aspiring college attendee.

00:46:49.120 And I guess Clemson didn't get the message because they mailed the package to Tom and Allison and Blake.

00:47:04.340 And it was a huge envelope.

00:47:07.140 And they knew immediately what it was.

00:47:10.300 And he had gotten into Clemson with the scholarship.

00:47:13.560 It's like, of course, Tom, you know, Allison's more stoic as between them.

00:47:21.200 She cries privately.

00:47:22.900 But Tom's got his emotions on his sleeve.

00:47:26.120 And, you know, to hear him tell this story, there wouldn't be a dry eye in the house.

00:47:30.020 But their daughter, Lexi, was a couple years younger than Blake and now is an only child in the family, is at Clemson now herself.

00:47:39.340 And they go down and they visit with her and they go to the football games and they celebrate.

00:47:44.380 And there is a way forward for families who are suffering.

00:47:47.360 You know, we had the Deer family on yesterday that lost their son.

00:47:51.900 He died by suicide.

00:47:54.500 Coaxed into the act by ChatGPT.

00:47:57.120 They allege in a lawsuit that they are likely to win, in my view.

00:48:01.800 They're still dealing with it.

00:48:03.180 They're only six months into this.

00:48:05.000 But there is a way forward for families like Erica's, like our family yesterday, like the Barclages.

00:48:11.740 And the Barclages are a great example of it, of how you do it with dignity and grace.

00:48:15.940 And you keep the loved one and their life and their name fresh in people's memories.

00:48:22.300 And that way you keep them alive.

00:48:24.700 And that way you keep their memory alive.

00:48:27.700 I'm so proud of them and how they've dealt with loss.

00:48:30.780 If you want to see the piece, you can see it on our website, youtube.com slash Megan Kelly.

00:48:36.840 And see for yourself how it is possible to deal with the pain of loss.

00:48:42.120 Especially as we go into the holiday season, right?

00:48:44.860 A lot of people feel it.

00:48:46.380 My own sister passed a year after I did that piece on Blake.

00:48:50.360 Little did I know when I was doing a piece on my dear friend's loss that I'd suffer a profound one of my own a year later.

00:48:56.760 And that stuff can always come up this time of year.

00:48:59.520 I always feel like Halloween is the kickoff to, you know, the true holiday season.

00:49:03.580 We've got Thanksgiving.

00:49:04.600 We've got Christmas.

00:49:06.740 Hanukkah.

00:49:07.340 You know, and then you get the New Year's.

00:49:08.660 It can bring up a lot for people.

00:49:09.920 So check it out on our website.

00:49:14.600 I don't know.

00:49:14.780 Steve, is there a way of like re-upping it so people don't have to go searching down the website?

00:49:19.720 Yeah.

00:49:20.000 He said we'll put it on our homepage so you guys can check it out.

00:49:22.680 So in any event, you can consider donating to Blake Gives Back.

00:49:25.780 That's not why I raised this, but it's a great cause.

00:49:27.540 We donate every year and help these screenings for kids.

00:49:30.200 And they also help kids who just had heart surgeries and transplants go to summer camp so that they can have some time outdoors.

00:49:35.780 There's a number of causes that they support that are wonderful.

00:49:40.460 And, you know, just honestly, the lesson is always the same, which is hug your children.

00:49:47.540 Hug your spouse.

00:49:48.360 Be kind to your spouse.

00:49:49.980 Ask your spouse today what you can do for them.

00:49:51.540 Ask your sibling what you can do for them.

00:49:53.620 Call them up.

00:49:54.260 See how they are.

00:49:55.680 You know, what do they say?

00:49:57.500 Your parents go too soon.

00:49:58.840 Children come too late.

00:49:59.700 But your siblings are there for the whole ride, or at least they should be.

00:50:04.220 Okay.

00:50:04.520 So that's my message for the day.

00:50:06.620 I'm sorry if that felt like a downer, but I hope you took it a different way.

00:50:10.420 I hope it inspires you to lean into the love in your life.

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00:52:04.980 It's finally here.

00:52:06.860 All right, let's get this party started.

00:52:08.820 Megyn Kelly live.

00:52:10.320 On tour across America.

00:52:11.980 I was like, we have to go.

00:52:13.620 And then after what happened to Charlie, I'm like, we definitely have to go.

00:52:16.860 The best way to honor Charlie's legacy is to be out here, to be unafraid, to not back down.

00:52:22.920 Stand firmly.

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00:52:40.320 Joining me now, Allie Beth Stuckey.

00:52:42.360 She is the author of Toxic Empathy.

00:52:45.320 Great title and great book.

00:52:47.380 And she's host of Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey.

00:52:50.880 Welcome back.

00:52:51.560 Great to see you, Allie.

00:52:52.840 Thanks so much.

00:52:53.800 Great to see you, Megyn.

00:52:54.480 Okay, so we have to kick it off with this disturbing news out of New Jersey and Colorado.

00:53:01.220 Both states passing laws now making abortion available throughout the entire pregnancy,

00:53:10.620 all the way up to 40 weeks.

00:53:13.460 And both states are now touting clinics that have opened or are about to open.

00:53:19.240 The one in Colorado is leaning in.

00:53:21.600 They say, oh, we're going to draw the line at 34 weeks.

00:53:24.880 34.

00:53:25.580 Now, not to make this personal, but I did ask Abby, my assistant, who went into early labor 0.99

00:53:30.480 on her first child.

00:53:32.060 She had her child at 31 weeks.

00:53:35.540 And she's a beautiful, vibrant, awesome kid.

00:53:39.900 31.

00:53:40.420 One, they are talking about killing babies at 34 weeks and beyond in Colorado and New Jersey.

00:53:47.180 They've lost their ever-loving minds, Allie Beth.

00:53:49.640 What do you make of it?

00:53:51.160 Oh, my goodness.

00:53:51.820 Well, let me preempt what I know is a rebuttal that a lot of pro-choicers say.

00:53:55.520 You've got a lot of reasonable, moderate people in your audience who might be thinking,

00:53:59.280 well, Megyn, they only have abortions at 34 weeks or in the third trimester because 0.99

00:54:04.960 there's something wrong with the mother.

00:54:06.560 They've got to save the mother's life, but there's something wrong with the child.

00:54:09.600 Look, the reality is, and this is not just me, this is an OBGYN perspective that I've

00:54:15.420 heard many times.

00:54:16.700 There is never a reason at that point in the pregnancy to kill the baby to save the mother.

00:54:23.480 If the mother has to deliver, that does happen. 1.00

00:54:25.840 She has preeclampsia or something like that.

00:54:28.260 You deliver the child.

00:54:29.400 There is no reason to kill the child first.

00:54:31.760 And look, if a child has some kind of fatal fetal anomaly diagnosis, then you still care

00:54:38.220 for the child.

00:54:39.120 I don't believe that a diagnosis of special needs should justify the murder of a human

00:54:44.020 being in or outside of the womb.

00:54:46.260 There really is no justification for this whatsoever.

00:54:49.580 The one in Colorado is opening because the one they had been using called the Boulder

00:54:56.500 Abortion Clinic just closed its doors after Dr. Warren Hearn retired following 50 years

00:55:03.580 of performing late-term abortions in Boulder.

00:55:05.940 And the Washington Times reporting that at least half of his late-term clients had no diagnosis

00:55:14.320 of severe fetal abnormalities, not a one, at least half.

00:55:18.820 They say it as follows.

00:55:20.080 The Atlantic did an article on this in 2023.

00:55:22.940 Quote, the reason doesn't really matter to Hearn.

00:55:26.040 Hearn believes the viability of fetus is determined not by gestational age, but by a woman's willingness

00:55:31.280 to carry it.

00:55:33.480 And so now this new clinic is going to become one of an estimated five U.S. clinics offering

00:55:40.640 abortions up to 34 weeks of gestation, which is 10 weeks after fetal viability, where that

00:55:47.960 child can live on its own outside of the womb.

00:55:50.620 It's so disgusting.

00:55:52.620 It's amazing to me.

00:55:53.600 Colorado has no limits whatsoever.

00:55:55.200 And one pro-life woman posted this video, Allie. 0.99

00:56:01.520 Her name is Lydia Taylor Davis, and she's part of Students for Life.

00:56:06.080 She called one of these abortion clinics, I don't know which one, just to see what they 0.96

00:56:10.120 would say if she was inquiring about getting an abortion at 34 weeks. 0.96

00:56:15.120 A warning to the audience, this is disturbing.

00:56:17.080 Here it is.

00:56:18.760 How can I help you?

00:56:19.800 I am looking to have an abortion.

00:56:21.380 How far longer are you?

00:56:22.400 I'm 34 right now.

00:56:24.220 My boyfriend is kind of out of the picture now, so I don't really have any support.

00:56:29.080 It's a four to five day procedure.

00:56:31.060 A needle is inserted through the abdomen and into the fetal heart.

00:56:34.940 Lidocaine is injected, and that will completely numb the fetus. 0.51

00:56:37.720 After that, we inject a medication called Digoxin and another medication called KCL, which will

00:56:43.240 slow and then stop the fetal heartbeat.

00:56:45.260 And then we'll give you a medication called Misoprostol.

00:56:48.260 Misoprostol will sort of induce contraction, will assist you in sort of pushing in the induction,

00:56:54.100 and then remove all of the products of conception.

00:56:56.220 You're definitely going to feel discomfort and cramping, but we do give you fentanyl and

00:57:00.420 Versed during the procedure.

00:57:02.380 We specialize in later trimester care.

00:57:04.480 Our doctor is very well-versed in what he's doing, and he's very good.

00:57:08.040 So I'm not like a rare situation.

00:57:10.100 Y'all help women this late in pregnancy all the time?

00:57:13.160 All the time.

00:57:13.760 Wow.

00:57:16.160 What jumped out at me there, Allie Beth, was the products of conception.

00:57:21.060 We'll make sure the products of conception are out of you.

00:57:24.960 Yes.

00:57:25.340 They have to euphemize before they euthanize this child because they know that saying what

00:57:31.780 they're doing, killing this child, just isn't good PR.

00:57:34.360 It's not good messaging.

00:57:35.400 So they've had to dehumanize what a baby in the womb is so much so that people will be calloused

00:57:40.680 when they hear about abortion.

00:57:41.580 And I just want to decode something there.

00:57:44.160 That woman on the other end, she said, we inject something called KCL. 0.99

00:57:49.940 KCL stands for potassium chloride.

00:57:53.500 Potassium chloride is the same chemical combination that is used in the lethal injection of death

00:57:59.000 row inmates to stop their heart.

00:58:01.540 However, of course, how that is conducted on death row inmates is actually a lot more merciful

00:58:07.380 because they are put to sleep before this.

00:58:09.520 But for a child that is injected into the heart of the baby, this wiggling, living human being

00:58:16.280 injected into their heart to force cardiac arrest, to force a painful heart attack in this baby,

00:58:24.120 and then they are delivered and dismembered and discarded like toxic waste.

00:58:29.380 That is what is happening in the second and third trimester abortions that they're acting like it's no big deal, 0.98

00:58:35.460 just like a root canal.

00:58:36.200 Oh, my God.

00:58:37.780 I mean, I hate to even ask this, but what do they do with the remains of 34-week-old babies who are killed like that by their own mothers?

00:58:47.560 Like, there's no burial.

00:58:49.320 There's no—they're not going to a cemetery.

00:58:52.300 I mean, are they treated like medical waste?

00:58:54.320 They're treated like medical waste, or in some cases, from what we've seen from investigations over the years,

00:59:00.800 they are donated to science.

00:59:04.280 We know this actually—the NIH has talked about funding that kind of research before,

00:59:09.440 and they'll say, oh, you know, it's an elective abortion, so it's no big deal.

00:59:13.060 But, of course, there probably is some kind of monetary incentive there.

00:59:16.040 I don't think we really, truly know just how dark this industry is.

00:59:20.700 I mean, if you're willing to kill a child, I don't think that you have any moral limits that would stop you from profiting off of that.

00:59:27.660 Mm-hmm.

00:59:28.280 Mm-hmm.

00:59:28.800 It's amazing.

00:59:29.640 Like, the procedure we just discussed and potassium chloride injected into the baby's heart by its mother, 0.90

00:59:36.440 by his or her own mother.

00:59:39.380 It's just so dark when you actually frame it in real terms, which you're never afraid to do.

00:59:45.540 You've been so good on this issue.

00:59:46.840 You actually went on that show, Surrounded, which Charlie went on, Ben Shapiro's gone on.

00:59:51.920 They asked me to go on there, Ellie, but I was like, I'm not going on there.

00:59:54.220 That's crazy talk.

00:59:55.020 I'm not doing it.

00:59:55.900 So, hats off to you for taking on the challenge.

00:59:58.680 You're very brave, and you're an expert on this.

01:00:01.200 Like, you're so good on this issue.

01:00:02.940 And you took on 20 young people who were very pro-choice, and here's a little bit of how that went in SOT 15.

01:00:10.820 When the majority of abortions happen, which is in the first six weeks of pregnancy, that fetus has not developed pain receptors.

01:00:19.160 That doesn't happen until maybe at the earliest 10 weeks, Allie.

01:00:22.700 So, are you saying that murder—

01:00:24.160 I would say 22 to 24 weeks.

01:00:26.220 Is killing only wrong if someone can feel pain?

01:00:29.060 It's wrong for you to characterize it as violent and painful when it's not.

01:00:34.660 It is violent.

01:00:35.360 There are a lot of people who are murdered who can't feel it.

01:00:37.680 Are you saying that that murder is justified because they can't feel it?

01:00:41.020 No, we're talking about abortion, Allie.

01:00:42.860 We're not talking about something else.

01:00:44.020 We're talking about abortion.

01:00:44.860 Abortion is health care for women who need it, who have unwanted pregnancies, who have 12-year-old girls who have been raped, who have experienced incest, Allie.

01:00:57.440 That's less than 1% of all abortions. 1.00

01:01:00.260 If I said to you, okay, fine, we will only allow—which this is not my position—but if I said we will only allow abortion in those 1% of cases in which it's rape or incest, would you agree with me to ban the rest of abortions?

01:01:12.520 The denial of abortion health care to women is 100% harmful to the woman who absolutely needs it.

01:01:20.440 And abortion is 100% harmful to the child.

01:01:24.200 Well done.

01:01:25.020 So not to college students in that instance, but progressives who are opposed to you on the issue.

01:01:29.540 And that guy was—I don't know what that guy's stake in it was.

01:01:32.260 But boy, oh boy, he really wanted those babies killed.

01:01:36.160 Yes, he was very worked up.

01:01:38.060 That was such an experience.

01:01:39.320 It was actually the day before Charlie's memorial.

01:01:41.520 I was working on very little sleep.

01:01:43.760 I was sad.

01:01:44.360 There was so much stress, and I wanted to cancel.

01:01:46.940 But one of the last conversations that Charlie and I had was about Jubilee.

01:01:50.880 He loved Jubilee.

01:01:52.240 He loved debating, as we all know.

01:01:53.780 He was the best at it.

01:01:55.520 And he had sent me probably 40 texts in a row saying, this is what you need to do.

01:01:59.800 This is how you need to go in there.

01:02:01.280 This is the strategy.

01:02:02.980 And I really carried that with me.

01:02:04.700 I really did.

01:02:05.840 And I felt like, of course, I'm trying to do this for the glory of God.

01:02:09.020 I'm trying to do this for conservatives and Christians.

01:02:11.740 But I really felt like also, I want to do this for Charlie because I know that if he

01:02:15.480 were here, he would say, you cannot cancel this.

01:02:18.500 You have to go in there.

01:02:19.500 You have to go in the lion's den.

01:02:21.700 So yeah, I was very, very grateful.

01:02:24.120 And actually, the first person who sat down, they didn't show this in the final cut, but

01:02:28.940 he was so sweet.

01:02:29.700 He sat down and he said, I am so sorry about your friend, Charlie.

01:02:33.160 And that completely changed the tone of the entire debate.

01:02:36.700 And yeah, it really did kind of just endear me to them and made it easier to debate them

01:02:43.520 in some way.

01:02:44.420 That's great.

01:02:45.580 That's amazing.

01:02:47.300 Can I ask you something, Allie, because you've been so good on your faith.

01:02:50.780 You're just like Charlie in that regard.

01:02:52.280 You could quote scripture with the best of them.

01:02:54.520 What have you been doing to get through the grief around Charlie's death?

01:03:01.560 What do you turn to?

01:03:02.920 Does it ever cause you to question your faith?

01:03:05.960 How have you been experiencing these last seven weeks?

01:03:09.240 Yeah, gosh.

01:03:10.520 You know, the last time I was on was the day that Charlie was murdered.

01:03:13.780 I was on that morning talking about what I thought would be the saddest story of the

01:03:17.280 day, and that's Irina Zerutska. 0.99

01:03:19.380 I had already, all three of us, you, me, and Megan Basham, had all been on the verge of

01:03:22.840 tears, if not actively crying, watching this terrible footage.

01:03:26.800 I finished our interview, and I got in the car to go to the doctor's appointment, and

01:03:32.160 I got a text from my publicist saying, Charlie Kirk has been shot.

01:03:36.060 And I just thought, okay, that's not real.

01:03:39.560 She heard that, or he was shot in the arm or something crazy, which is obviously terrible.

01:03:43.440 But I called our mutual friend, and as soon as he picked up the phone, he wasn't even

01:03:47.640 talking, he was crying, and I was like, oh, okay, this is real.

01:03:53.060 And of course, I turned around, broke down, my husband and I, who worked together, so we

01:03:57.520 were both home, just completely lost it, praying, and of course, everything that everyone was

01:04:02.360 doing.

01:04:03.600 And I was just, I can't even imagine how Erica felt infinity times more than you and I felt.

01:04:11.500 But man, I've just been so distraught in so many ways.

01:04:15.880 Of course, it's gotten better for us, those of us who are more removed, but there are still

01:04:21.220 days where it just catches me in my throat, or it hits me in the gut, and I just find myself

01:04:26.860 on the verge of tears.

01:04:27.660 When you were playing that video of his daughter saying, Daddy, Charlie Kirk, I mean, I can't

01:04:32.980 even say it, not only because of how sad that is for them, but also because I've got a six,

01:04:38.820 four and two-year-old daughters myself, and it's like their voice, it sounds like them.

01:04:43.620 And I'm just so sad and so devastated.

01:04:46.980 And you asked if it makes me doubt.

01:04:49.840 I mean, of course, there are times that I question, like, why him or why this?

01:04:57.820 Why now?

01:04:59.100 Why would you allow this to happen?

01:05:01.360 And then I go to the memorial, and I saw you there very briefly.

01:05:04.240 And I don't know about you, but I felt maybe more tangibly than I've ever felt, like just

01:05:11.440 the presence of the Holy Spirit.

01:05:13.000 There was this moment when the worship team was playing, and it was just instrumental, which

01:05:18.240 I learned was totally spontaneous.

01:05:19.800 And everyone started holding up their Charlie Kirk signs that said, send me, I'll go, or here

01:05:26.020 I am, send me, which is a Bible verse from Isaiah.

01:05:28.680 And I just, it felt like this out-of-body spiritual experience.

01:05:35.880 And while this is not always a satisfying answer, because it's still so tragic and seemingly

01:05:40.760 premature and sad, I'm like, oh, okay, God is doing something.

01:05:46.420 I don't know exactly what it is.

01:05:48.380 But I know that Bible sales are up.

01:05:51.520 I know that people are going back to church.

01:05:53.500 I know that I personally have had more opportunities to share the gospel than I maybe ever have

01:06:00.280 in my entire life, just in the past few weeks.

01:06:03.160 More questions from people who say, I used to hate you.

01:06:06.520 I used to hate Charlie's message, but now I want to know what he died for.

01:06:10.880 And so it doesn't make it any less sad.

01:06:13.820 And even Jesus wept when his friend Lazarus died.

01:06:17.640 But I do know that God is in the business of redemption, that he brings beauty out of ashes,

01:06:23.020 that he brings light into darkness and hope when it seems like we have every reason to

01:06:28.780 despair.

01:06:30.040 And so I know he's doing something bigger and better than what I would do or what I can

01:06:33.780 see.

01:06:34.560 And that is faith.

01:06:35.400 Faith is the assurance of things hoped for.

01:06:37.920 It's the confidence in the things that we cannot see.

01:06:41.200 He doesn't spell it out for us.

01:06:43.100 He doesn't show us what it's going to look like.

01:06:46.300 But I do see now clearly that Charlie, he had to work as hard as he did and get up as

01:06:53.120 early as he did and work as many days as he did because God knew that he would die at

01:06:58.300 31.

01:06:59.140 So he had a limited time to get it all done.

01:07:02.080 That's not what all of us are called to, but that's the pace that he had to go on his

01:07:06.180 race because he was going to die early.

01:07:08.700 And thank the Lord, he finished really well.

01:07:11.340 Did you see the text messages that Candace Owens posted between her and Charlie from,

01:07:21.240 I think, I think she said it was 2018.

01:07:23.480 So it was, you know, a few years back, but they were chilling because they showed that

01:07:29.440 Charlie knew he was likely to die early.

01:07:31.520 Like he was openly texting with her back then that he has nightmares about how it's going

01:07:38.580 to end.

01:07:38.960 Like he, he, he felt pretty sure he knew how it was going to end.

01:07:43.020 I'm trying to see if I have it on my phone.

01:07:44.400 Cause I think I, I grabbed it.

01:07:46.340 I screen grabbed it because I was so like, oh my God, this is shocking.

01:07:50.040 I did see that.

01:07:51.340 That is extremely chilling.

01:07:53.340 Oh, here I have it.

01:07:54.520 Standby.

01:07:55.080 Okay.

01:07:56.920 He wrote for the listening audience.

01:08:00.140 This is per Candace in a text exchange.

01:08:02.080 She posted, um, he writes, you are going to be the iron Kanye.

01:08:08.620 You are going to be the iron lady of America. 0.73

01:08:10.140 I see it so freaking clearly.

01:08:11.360 I might be Moses though.

01:08:12.680 I might not see this whole thing through LMAO.

01:08:17.300 If that is the case, be my David.

01:08:19.060 She wrote, dude, you don't even realize your power yet.

01:08:21.560 He responded.

01:08:22.400 If I tell you the true prophecy, I know in my gut, it's really sad, but I hope it's wrong.

01:08:30.020 And then he went on to say as follows.

01:08:32.400 Anyway, I'm not sure if I will live to see the end of this revolution.

01:08:37.460 I believe you were the piece God meant me to meet that will finish the fight.

01:08:41.700 Since the beginning of turning point USA, I knew in my gut that I might get wiped out at

01:08:46.400 any time.

01:08:47.040 I cannot explain it, but I dream about it all the time, like all the time.

01:08:52.420 Anyway, that's a depressing conversation for another time.

01:08:56.760 Right.

01:08:57.260 He says, and then he finally says, uh, I'm not really afraid of it, but I'm just telling

01:09:02.420 you what I know to be true.

01:09:04.520 That is, I, I, I'd never heard Charlie talk like that.

01:09:08.060 I didn't realize he knew, like, I knew he was coming under increasing security threats,

01:09:11.800 Sally, but that really does show you frankly, how brave he was.

01:09:17.260 And also how insane the left has gotten for a long, long time.

01:09:23.820 Yeah.

01:09:24.460 And, you know, it kind of dispels, I think a lot of the rumors are innuendo that is have

01:09:28.960 surrounded him and the cause of his death over the last few months, because we've been

01:09:33.520 hearing, oh, it was only in the last few months that Charlie started feeling this pressure

01:09:36.980 and he felt like, oh my gosh, they're going to hurt me.

01:09:39.060 Well, this goes to show, actually, he felt that seven years ago.

01:09:43.620 And I, I don't know why he would have had, you know, that intuition, except for maybe

01:09:49.180 God at least was telling him, hey, we got, we got things to do.

01:09:54.340 Okay.

01:09:54.600 You don't have that much time.

01:09:56.020 I mean, that's really haunting.

01:09:57.980 I don't think any of us would like to hear that message, but what a man that Charlie was

01:10:02.100 that instead of saying, okay, I'm out, that's, I think what most of us would do.

01:10:05.380 If we had this premonition that we're going to be slaughtered, most of us would stop talking.

01:10:10.820 Most of us would get out of the fight and say, I'm going to go be an accountant.

01:10:13.900 I'm going to stay home.

01:10:14.780 He could have done that.

01:10:15.620 He was so smart.

01:10:16.400 He could have made a lot of money in business doing whatever he wanted to, but he knew as

01:10:21.240 well as a finite human good that, okay, I think I'm going to die for this.

01:10:24.820 And he went even harder.

01:10:26.180 Like he went even more, he went into the lion's den more often.

01:10:30.400 I mean, that is the kind of courage that I think most of us don't have.

01:10:34.160 And it kind of faith in God that, okay, I don't know what this looks like, but I'm just

01:10:38.960 going to follow you.

01:10:40.000 Even though it's really scary.

01:10:41.080 It actually reminds me of Jesus, but, and I'm not saying that Charlie Kirk is Jesus.

01:10:45.360 I'm just saying, this reminds me of when Jesus is about to go to the cross and he knows what's

01:10:50.480 about to happen.

01:10:51.060 And he's in the garden of Gethsemane and he says, Jesus, who was God?

01:10:55.120 He says, father, please take this cup from me.

01:10:57.840 Like, I don't want it.

01:10:58.740 I don't want to suffer in this way yet.

01:11:00.520 Not my will, but your will be done.

01:11:03.340 And again, Charlie is not the savior, but all of us as Christians are called to do that.

01:11:08.000 Lord, I don't know what this looks like, but you're calling me to do it.

01:11:10.520 And I'm just going to obey you and trust you.

01:11:13.040 And he knew like Charlie, Charlie knew that the cost was worth it.

01:11:17.260 And that's amazing.

01:11:19.880 Yeah, it really is extraordinary.

01:11:21.860 All great points.

01:11:22.940 Um, not everyone shares this commitment to faith.

01:11:27.760 Some people find it worthy of mocking.

01:11:29.880 And that leads me to a former house speaker, Nancy Pelosi, who is in the news today for the

01:11:37.140 following soundbite.

01:11:39.340 She's such an odd, strange, nasty person. 1.00

01:11:42.980 Here is thought 13.

01:11:44.180 Do you agree with apparently a big swath of Americans, according to our last election,

01:11:50.220 that Democrats pushed the country too far to the left, specifically on cultural issues?

01:11:55.960 No, I don't agree with that at all.

01:11:57.540 I think that we are a reflection of our country.

01:12:00.380 We are a beautiful, diverse country.

01:12:04.160 And, and if they find that offensive with their DEI initiatives and they want to sell

01:12:09.880 it as we're also left, it's ridiculous.

01:12:12.680 They're undermining our culture.

01:12:15.160 Look, there's certain people in the country who don't want to see, they don't want to see

01:12:19.040 women, LGBTQ, people of color, immigrants taking their place in anything.

01:12:27.920 And that's just the way it is.

01:12:29.560 That's not America's problem.

01:12:32.680 So we respect everybody in our country.

01:12:35.260 So for them to be saying what they're saying about people is like, and you're people of

01:12:40.100 faith, you're people of faith.

01:12:42.360 You go to church on Sunday and pray on church on Sunday and pray on people the rest of the

01:12:47.300 week.

01:12:47.780 What is this?

01:12:49.340 She slipped into a little fake Southern accent there. 1.00

01:12:51.660 You're going to pray on Sunday.

01:12:53.080 And then what is it?

01:12:54.060 You're people of faith.

01:12:55.500 She, okay.

01:12:56.480 Your thoughts on her, uh, not challenging the faithfulness of those on the right, who she

01:13:01.700 thinks just want to get rid of people who don't look like them. 0.99

01:13:04.980 Look, if Democrats represented America, those are her words as a quote, then they would

01:13:09.640 have won the election.

01:13:10.440 Then they wouldn't have had a problem winning the election because they would have had the

01:13:14.600 majority of the vote, but they didn't.

01:13:16.400 They didn't just lose the electoral vote.

01:13:18.200 They lost the popular vote too.

01:13:19.720 So that means you don't represent the values of most of America.

01:13:23.020 Maybe there is a tiny sliver percentage of people who hate all of those categories that

01:13:27.400 she just listed. 0.64

01:13:28.420 They're not enough to win an election.

01:13:30.100 I don't even think they're enough to influence an election.

01:13:33.720 So this is what the internet calls a cope.

01:13:36.700 She is coping instead of being self-aware and saying, how can we do that?

01:13:40.440 We win the next election.

01:13:41.560 How can we change?

01:13:42.540 How can we moderate?

01:13:44.400 She's not even attempting to do that. 0.98

01:13:47.280 Right.

01:13:47.780 And she's basically ignoring the, the question was about polls that have just come out showing

01:13:53.760 that the Democrat party has realized that it's gone too far to the left.

01:13:58.780 And Democrats think in particular on immigration and crime, like this massive survey that they

01:14:04.140 did of tens of thousands of Democrats that they've gone too far left in particular on

01:14:08.200 immigration and on crime, but also on social issues.

01:14:11.040 So the report is basically saying, do you agree?

01:14:12.840 And she manages to twist it into a right P right wing. 0.97

01:14:16.760 People are threatened by black and Brown people and anyone who doesn't look like them while lying 1.00

01:14:22.180 about their faith.

01:14:23.340 Okay.

01:14:24.000 Okay.

01:14:24.320 So this is a woman who, you know, very much favors abortion and is going to church and 0.99

01:14:28.880 taking communion.

01:14:29.660 Okay.

01:14:30.080 All right.

01:14:30.520 Right.

01:14:30.720 I don't think she should be our teacher on matters of faith.

01:14:34.580 Okay.

01:14:34.880 Let's keep going because I've got to ask you about glamor, glamor UK.

01:14:39.980 It's a women's magazine and they are presenting their women of the year awards.

01:14:45.440 And I realized no one really cares what glamor thinks, but this one's so egregious.

01:14:49.320 It's worthy of a mention.

01:14:51.660 On the cover of glamor UK is not, well, I'll show you the cover for the listening audience.

01:14:57.660 We have nine people here who look like women sort of in skimpy little shirts, uh, that read 1.00

01:15:05.180 something about the dolls and it says, protect the dolls, protect the dolls.

01:15:10.080 And it's not like, see if you can find the trans person in here.

01:15:13.680 They're all trans. 0.87

01:15:15.520 All nine of these people are men pretending to be women.

01:15:19.740 And the cover literally reads women of the year.

01:15:24.080 Uh, and then they go through and do interviews with these women who are, I, I guess, fine 0.84

01:15:31.780 with the protect the dolls slogan.

01:15:33.760 One of them objected, but everybody else seemed fine with it.

01:15:36.300 Um, here's one Munya. 0.95

01:15:38.580 She's a model in London.

01:15:39.880 He, he is a model in London.

01:15:41.640 There's a level of privilege whiteness provides for dark skinned black people, including, or 0.57

01:15:46.400 then he says for dark skinned black people, including in fashion, it's also harder for

01:15:49.860 us to access the opportunities than our white counterparts. 0.59

01:15:51.820 So this guy's got it all going on.

01:15:53.660 I'm black.

01:15:54.620 I'm a man pretending to be a woman.

01:15:56.420 And I object to white privilege and also women privilege, which I want to have, but 0.93

01:16:00.040 can't.

01:16:01.140 Uh, then there's a, there's another one, Belle Priestley, who says one big thing you would 0.93

01:16:07.000 really like to see change for quote, trans women. 1.00

01:16:09.540 Belle would like the following to change.

01:16:11.780 I'd love the narrative to be changed around dating us, particularly for guys.

01:16:15.260 It's not a crime to fancy trans women, meaning men.

01:16:18.600 It's not a negative thing.

01:16:20.100 The stigma makes our lives hell that like straight white guys don't want to go to bed

01:16:28.740 with these people.

01:16:29.980 And, um, here's the last one I'll read to you.

01:16:32.640 This person goes by Maya Memi, who's a DJ and musician in London and says, um, the following,

01:16:39.680 I think people just need to understand not only are we human, most of us are badder than

01:16:44.040 everyone else.

01:16:44.800 Put some respect on it, bitch. 1.00

01:16:46.480 I look better than you.

01:16:48.020 I dress better than you.

01:16:49.660 I smell better than you.

01:16:51.380 Please learn that and understand that.

01:16:53.860 One of glamour's potential quote women of the year.

01:16:58.080 Thoughts on that?

01:16:59.500 Yeah, that's definitely a woman. 1.00

01:17:01.140 I want to share a bathroom with my daughters. 1.00

01:17:04.040 Sounds lovely.

01:17:05.440 Um, okay.

01:17:06.500 Gosh, I've just got so many thoughts on this.

01:17:08.760 So a doll is a fake woman. 1.00

01:17:11.300 Are they trying to be on the nose, like protect the dolls?

01:17:15.160 Are they like a fake woman, like a doll? 1.00

01:17:17.680 I'm just not totally sure what the positive PR messaging is surrounding that.

01:17:23.980 Um, I just find this very disturbing.

01:17:25.620 You know, the UK has made some really good advances and recognizing that, you know, things

01:17:30.760 like puberty blockers are dangerous for children.

01:17:33.440 They're dangerous for everyone should not be given to adolescents.

01:17:37.240 And yet this, uh, media company is hoisting up this absolute delusion that a man can be

01:17:43.520 born in the wrong body and can be a woman by declaration and that we should submit to 1.00

01:17:48.120 that, that women should submit to no man, except for the man who puts himself in a skirt 1.00

01:17:53.220 and comes into my bathroom.

01:17:54.620 No, thank you.

01:17:55.280 Okay.

01:17:57.040 That leads me last, but certainly not least to Sydney Sweeney, who is all woman, real woman,

01:18:03.740 actual woman, and absolutely stunning.

01:18:06.660 So she was on the red carpet.

01:18:08.500 What was she on the red carpet for?

01:18:09.800 I can't remember what she was doing there, but she was on the red carpet last night and 0.85

01:18:14.220 she decided to show off her number one asset, which contrary to the American Eagle jeans 0.99

01:18:21.000 ad is not really her jeans.

01:18:23.680 It's her enormous breasts, which are spectacular.

01:18:28.300 No one would take that away from her, but controversial opinion, Allie, I object to this.

01:18:34.020 I, I disapprove of the dress she wore because it's completely see-through.

01:18:39.760 You can see her entire like nipples. 0.98

01:18:42.980 She reminded me of Kim Kardashian, um, you know, who over shares and then takes away like

01:18:50.480 the thing that is the sexiest, which is like every guy's hoping to be the one who actually

01:18:54.640 sees them for real and leaving a little to the imagination.

01:18:58.540 Now I know this is being universally seller celebrated online, but I have to say, even

01:19:02.340 though Sydney Sweeney fan love the jeans campaign, I thought this is a rare misstep.

01:19:07.380 Your thoughts.

01:19:07.900 Yeah.

01:19:09.160 I mean, she's absolutely beautiful and no one, no one at all is trying to deny that, but

01:19:14.180 I, I mean, I am definitely pro-modesty.

01:19:17.240 It's not that I'm pro-burka, but I think that we should do everything we can to like draw

01:19:22.600 the eyes to the beauty of the face.

01:19:24.780 There's nothing wrong with a womanly figure. 0.98

01:19:26.700 I think that God made it and it is beautiful.

01:19:28.740 And there's a way to dress that with dignity and respect.

01:19:31.600 But I feel like we could draw the line at Areola.

01:19:34.540 Like, I don't know.

01:19:35.720 Like, I just feel like maybe draw the line at Areola.

01:19:39.720 That's, that should be the rule.

01:19:42.180 Make t-shirts, Megan.

01:19:43.420 Sell them in your merch shop, please.

01:19:45.740 So walk me through this because I actually am curious.

01:19:48.420 We've seen this as a growing trend among these Hollywood celebrities.

01:19:52.300 And it's always a very beautiful woman.

01:19:54.000 I will say, unlike going to the beaches of France where the nude people are always gross 1.00

01:19:57.500 old men, the women who take it all off for these photo shoots in America do tend to have 0.99

01:20:02.400 the rocket bodies.

01:20:03.300 And I get it.

01:20:03.860 Like, was it that Irina Shank or whatever?

01:20:06.800 I don't want to wrongfully disparage the model who was like walking across the hotel lobby

01:20:11.200 at Cannes, France in nothing by saying the wrong one.

01:20:14.920 But we've seen, we've seen this.

01:20:16.280 Then the Kanye wife pictures, Bianca Sensore showing up literally naked at the Grammys more

01:20:21.920 and more, Lauren Sanchez going out in like an outfit that's just pure lace, just strategically 1.00

01:20:27.420 covering only a couple of things.

01:20:30.020 Why?

01:20:30.760 Why did these otherwise stunning women who would get plenty of attention just by wearing 1.00

01:20:38.420 like a great, a well-styled dress and having their hair and makeup, you know, done right,

01:20:43.900 why do they feel the need to take it here?

01:20:46.800 I think there are so many answers for this.

01:20:48.680 I think maybe on an individual level, it's probably as superficial as just liking the

01:20:53.280 attention, liking how they look in the mirror, knowing that they are going to be written positively

01:20:56.780 about.

01:20:57.780 And maybe Sydney Sweeney has just been like, okay, I'm going to be a lightning rod and I'm

01:21:02.300 going to cause controversy.

01:21:03.600 Maybe her PR people have decided that that's a good thing. 0.98

01:21:06.580 On a macro cultural level, you could say that it is like a big pendulum swing to the other

01:21:12.840 side.

01:21:13.280 On the one hand, you have, oh, men can be women. 0.94

01:21:16.420 There is no definition of a woman. 0.90

01:21:18.920 Femininity is something that is weak and a white, cis, hetero woman should never be on 1.00

01:21:23.840 the cover of any magazine.

01:21:25.660 So maybe it's a little bit of a swing of Sydney Sweeney saying, you know what?

01:21:29.160 I'm hot and I know I'm hot.

01:21:30.680 I know people think I'm hot and I don't really care.

01:21:34.420 So you could kind of analyze it in two different ways.

01:21:37.380 But, you know, Occam's razor, it's probably the most obvious thing.

01:21:40.280 It's probably just because she likes how she looks.

01:21:42.540 Mm-hmm.

01:21:42.980 No, you're right.

01:21:44.300 I'd much rather look at Sydney Sweeney in a sheer dress at whatever event this was than 0.59

01:21:49.000 look at nine fake women on the cover of UK Glamour. 0.75

01:21:52.760 Much rather.

01:21:53.720 I guess I just want, like, for my daughter, you know, I want her to look at amazing women 0.85

01:21:59.220 like that and say, I can be totally sexy when that time comes in my life with an appropriate

01:22:05.840 outfit on.

01:22:06.700 Like, I don't actually have to show areola in order to get male attention or feel gorgeous 0.88

01:22:12.080 or sexy.

01:22:13.600 I don't know.

01:22:15.080 I mean, I-

01:22:15.640 No.

01:22:16.100 Yeah, you're absolutely right.

01:22:16.840 I kind of think she might have been misled into it.

01:22:18.900 That's my bet.

01:22:19.500 Because, like, when I- I did a saucy photo shoot one time for- it was GQ, I think.

01:22:25.380 It was GQ.

01:22:26.180 And I- when I turned 40.

01:22:28.020 But I- it was- like, what I wore was appropriate.

01:22:30.520 It was just a slip dress.

01:22:31.680 That's all it was.

01:22:32.400 I did not show anything close to areola.

01:22:35.520 And I never would.

01:22:36.460 But I think probably she's very young.

01:22:38.160 I think she's only like 26.

01:22:39.720 And I guarantee you somebody brought the dress to her and was like, now we'll take it next

01:22:43.320 level.

01:22:43.680 And she trusted the wrong person.

01:22:45.620 And before you knew it, you know, we had all seen it.

01:22:48.520 And she'll- she's not going to hurt her at all.

01:22:51.400 It's just people like us who I think were becoming her new fans who were like, oh, okay.

01:22:56.180 That wasn't- that wasn't the move.

01:22:58.500 No.

01:22:58.860 And self-objectification is still objectification.

01:23:02.180 And look, like, I think all porn is bad.

01:23:04.620 I think it's horrible.

01:23:05.400 I think it's bad for people.

01:23:06.640 And I think this kind of thing is making it even more difficult for the honorable men

01:23:12.480 out there who said, you know, I'm not going to look at porn.

01:23:14.760 I'm not going to go to porn websites.

01:23:16.420 It's bad that addiction is horrible.

01:23:17.940 It ruins relationships and sexuality and all of that. 0.69

01:23:21.460 Well, this makes it- things like this make it even more difficult because now you don't

01:23:26.600 even have to go to a porn site.

01:23:28.060 All you have to do is log on to X or open up Instagram or something like that.

01:23:31.800 And you've got Sydney Sweeney with her full titties out. 1.00

01:23:34.960 And that is just, like, that's just tough.

01:23:37.560 That's just tough.

01:23:38.480 And for those of us who don't want to see it, like, I didn't, you know, none of us chose

01:23:41.860 to see something like that.

01:23:43.300 And now the fullness of someone's nakedness is on display.

01:23:46.440 I don't like it.

01:23:47.840 There is fullness.

01:23:49.000 That's for sure.

01:23:49.880 I did not have Allie Beth Stuckey saying titties in my- 1.00

01:23:53.920 I probably shouldn't have, Megan.

01:23:55.860 You probably brought it out in me.

01:23:57.800 I'm-

01:23:58.020 By the way, I'm saying that it's not good.

01:24:00.040 I needed the laugh today.

01:24:04.240 Thank you, my friend.

01:24:05.000 Thanks for being here.

01:24:05.720 Thank you.

01:24:06.280 Thank you so much, Megan.

01:24:07.680 A pleasure, as always.

01:24:09.320 Okay, coming up next, the man who could be the next governor of New Jersey.

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01:24:18.340 We will talk to Jack Cittarelli right after this break.

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01:27:29.060 New Jersey has long been a blue state with Democrats winning most elections easily.

01:27:38.800 The last time the state voted for a Republican for U.S. Senator was 1972.

01:27:44.280 The last time the state voted for a Republican president was George H.W. Bush in 1988.

01:27:49.060 Republican Chris Christie made national news when he was elected governor in the Garden State in 2009 and then again in 2013.

01:27:57.160 But that did not end well.

01:27:59.460 Republican Jack Chattarelli shocked many when he lost to the incumbent Democrat governor, Phil Murphy, back in 2021 by just three points.

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01:28:11.060 That's an amazing feat in the state of New Jersey.

01:28:14.240 Well, Chattarelli is once again the Republican nominee for governor.

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01:28:22.840 MK Media's own Mark Halperin, host of Next Up with Mark Halperin, says Chattarelli has a real chance of victory here.

01:28:32.120 All the issues he raises, energy costs, traffic congestion, jobs, all these things.

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01:28:39.320 Taxes.

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01:28:41.240 So I think that message not just fits the mood of the state and again is what the same kinds of things that got Chris Christie elected.

01:28:48.920 So even though it's become a very blue state, they haven't elected a Republican senator in forever or voted a Republican for president, I think, since Bush 43 or 41.

01:29:00.200 They did elect Chris Christie that long ago on all the same kind of themes, corruption in Trenton, economics out of whack, et cetera.

01:29:06.840 So I agree with Dan that Chattarelli's momentum is not what it was.

01:29:11.660 But no one I know in either party who works in the state familiar with this race, no one would be surprised if Chattarelli won.

01:29:18.600 No one.

01:29:20.160 Oh, here with me now, Jack Chattarelli himself.

01:29:24.000 Jack, so nice to meet you.

01:29:24.860 Thanks for coming on.

01:29:26.480 Thanks for having me on, Megan.

01:29:27.660 And on Tuesday, I'm going to make you a true believer we're going to win this race.

01:29:31.360 Oh, shoot it in my veins. 0.81

01:29:33.040 How?

01:29:33.520 How exactly are you going to do it?

01:29:34.780 The polls are tightening.

01:29:36.160 And I've been very encouraged by the latest polls.

01:29:38.540 But how do you get it over the finish line?

01:29:41.020 First of all, Megan, the polls that we trust, including Emerson this morning, have it as literally a dead heat.

01:29:46.320 There's a couple that have me up by a point or two.

01:29:48.740 Listen, people across the state are ticked off after eight years of failed policies of the current administration, all of which have been endorsed by my opponent.

01:29:56.380 She's not from New Jersey.

01:29:58.200 She hasn't been able to answer the most basic questions.

01:30:00.360 And as you mentioned at the very beginning, there's been a number of scandals that call into questioning her character.

01:30:04.980 We're just going to continue to get out there.

01:30:06.500 And don't forget, the majority party in New Jersey are the 2.5 million unaffiliated, independent voters that lean right.

01:30:13.300 And this time they favor Chattarelli.

01:30:15.360 Can they what if they haven't registered?

01:30:16.960 Is there any way to still register to vote in New Jersey before Tuesday or no?

01:30:20.460 We don't have same day registration here in New Jersey.

01:30:22.800 And that's not something I support.

01:30:24.120 What I do support is voter ID. 0.82

01:30:26.140 And that's something I'll champion once we win.

01:30:29.000 Well, if you are registered, get up off of your couch.

01:30:31.620 Get up.

01:30:32.280 Get up.

01:30:32.700 We can actually get a Republican running the state and restore order or some sort of decency to New Jersey.

01:30:37.960 I want to show one thing that is personal to yours truly, because I do spend every summer in New Jersey.

01:30:43.180 I'm a homeowner there.

01:30:44.880 This is small ball.

01:30:46.000 But I think everybody watching this will understand our frustration.

01:30:49.180 This is from a report that aired on Fox News.

01:30:51.700 Fox News is Brian Yanis.

01:30:54.240 I don't know how to pronounce his last name.

01:30:55.440 Forgive me.

01:30:55.920 Yeah.

01:30:56.400 Reporting today.

01:30:57.160 Watch this.

01:30:57.540 Now, Cittarelli also says he's been surprised by how fired up voters are over a sleeper issue, potentially, in this campaign.

01:31:07.080 His plan to get rid of the state's plastic bag and single-use paper bag ban.

01:31:13.060 Yes.

01:31:14.180 Come at it, a store with a bunch of items, and you've got to purchase a new bag.

01:31:17.880 It's really ridiculous.

01:31:18.820 It's so silly.

01:31:20.980 My car is filled with all those other kind of bags, and they're not biodegradable.

01:31:25.460 It's definitely a struggle when you need to find a plastic bag.

01:31:28.160 They don't exist anymore, but I think that's a good thing.

01:31:30.320 It's not a bad thing.

01:31:31.340 They are not single-use bags.

01:31:33.020 I use them all the time for all sorts of stuff, and I recycle when they are finished.

01:31:38.680 So what is the problem?

01:31:40.320 We need plastic bags back.

01:31:43.180 We do.

01:31:44.460 We spoke to voters all over New Jersey.

01:31:46.520 Harris, it is a hot topic people love to talk about.

01:31:49.500 Cittarelli says it's his number one applause line, it seems like, at his rallies.

01:31:53.360 Cheryl says she wants to keep the ban, so we'll see.

01:31:57.520 This could win you, New Jersey.

01:32:00.820 It could.

01:32:01.980 So she's doubled down on the Green New Deal that the current governor's put in place that 1.00

01:32:05.720 has two things that people can't stand.

01:32:08.580 The first is the plastic bag ban.

01:32:10.760 We're getting rid of that.

01:32:11.640 And the second thing is wind farms off the Jersey Shore.

01:32:15.100 If the current governor and my opponent were from New Jersey, they'd know that the Jersey

01:32:19.680 Shore is sank or sank, and we're not going to have wind farms off our Jersey Shore.

01:32:23.700 We will lower the cost of electricity by pulling out a Reggie, but we're not going to have wind

01:32:27.620 farms off the Jersey Shore when I'm governor.

01:32:29.960 It's bad enough when you go to the grocery store and you have to buy all those new allegedly

01:32:33.840 recyclable bags that you bought the last time, but you forgot to bring them in with

01:32:37.440 you.

01:32:37.840 But let me say this.

01:32:39.300 Try going to Bed Bath & Beyond or one of those stores where you have to get big things,

01:32:43.800 and a lot of them, you know, like dish towels or bath mats, whatever, like I had to do this

01:32:48.340 past summer, and they won't give you a bag.

01:32:50.520 It's like either they let you take the cart directly to your car or not, but then when

01:32:55.000 you get home, you need a bag.

01:32:57.580 It's like, what's so wrong with plastic bags?

01:32:59.160 I love that you've made this an issue.

01:33:00.520 Now talk to me about your opponent's military history because she's not even been consistent

01:33:07.020 on the story.

01:33:07.960 And I have to say, I smell a rat in her story about why she didn't walk in her graduation 1.00

01:33:12.960 from the Naval Academy.

01:33:14.800 Megan, she's changed her story three times, which strongly suggests she's not telling the

01:33:19.900 truth.

01:33:20.500 But listen, she could very easily come clean by approving the release of her disciplinary

01:33:25.000 records.

01:33:25.720 Only she can do that. 0.98

01:33:27.000 If what she's telling us is the truth, the disciplinary records will confirm that.

01:33:31.380 But there's a pattern here, Megan.

01:33:33.120 She wasn't allowed to walk at her Naval graduation at the Naval Academy.

01:33:37.340 And by the way, she's built her entire political brand about her attendance at the Naval Academy. 0.99

01:33:41.360 But now we know that she was severely punished.

01:33:44.340 She violated federal law while in the Congress when it came to stock trades and stock reporting.

01:33:49.340 And she tripled her net worth in only six years time in the Congress, but can't explain

01:33:54.000 how.

01:33:54.740 I mean, come on.

01:33:55.640 Who wouldn't know if they made $7 million?

01:33:58.300 Yes, she does seem a little befuddled on whether she made money or how. 0.99

01:34:04.100 Do we have that with the Charlemagne exchange as one of our soundbites?

01:34:06.900 I'm trying to look.

01:34:08.340 Yeah.

01:34:08.700 SOT 31.

01:34:09.280 Let's listen.

01:34:11.080 So when Newsmax claimed that you made $7 million from stock trades, what are they talking about?

01:34:17.620 Newsmax is, first of all, a very questionable organization that is paying multiple fines.

01:34:23.520 I'm not sure what they're talking about.

01:34:26.000 Did you make $7 million in stock trades at all?

01:34:27.780 I don't believe I did, but I'd have to go see what that was alluding to again, what kind

01:34:38.340 of came from.

01:34:39.160 It was a report in the Washington.

01:34:40.720 No, I know it was from Newsmax, which again.

01:34:42.260 And then another one in the Washington Free Beacon, which is a conservative-leaning platform,

01:34:45.620 but they said you had increased from between $733,209 to over $4 million in 2019, and then

01:34:55.240 between $4 million to $13 million in 2024.

01:34:59.160 So that's where they got the $7 million increase.

01:35:01.180 Increase there.

01:35:01.800 The average, the average, the average out that, yeah.

01:35:04.360 Yeah.

01:35:06.040 Look, I, both my husband and I come from very middle-class families.

01:35:12.100 My parents were the first in their family to go to college, and his were both teachers.

01:35:17.360 And then we both went into the military.

01:35:19.180 And afterwards, he got a good job, and I, we've been really lucky.

01:35:24.540 Okay.

01:35:25.280 She's much happier playing the destitution derby card, but she's a multimillionaire who

01:35:30.240 won't own up to exactly how or when she got the funds.

01:35:34.660 Exactly.

01:35:35.240 And she should know something about paying fines.

01:35:37.080 She had to pay them for breaking federal law.

01:35:39.340 It's embarrassing, and it's a disqualifier.

01:35:42.080 She's been going all around saying she'll be the most transparent candidate and governor 0.90

01:35:45.680 ever, but yet she's not transparent about her own personal situation.

01:35:49.180 That has been legitimately called into question.

01:35:51.460 And by the way, Megan, the New York Times reports that while she's sitting on the House

01:35:55.060 Armed Services Committee, she's trading defense stocks. 1.00

01:35:58.180 I mean, are you kidding me?

01:35:59.920 It's so unethical.

01:36:01.400 The issue of boys playing in girls' sports is another clear dividing line between you

01:36:07.440 and this Mikey Sherrill.

01:36:09.180 She favors it? 0.99

01:36:10.400 She wants to allow this to keep happening? 0.83

01:36:12.420 This mother of two daughters voted yes twice to allow biological boys to participate in

01:36:18.600 girls' sports.

01:36:19.720 That's an 80-20 issue.

01:36:21.840 And I just find this so hypocritical because you and I both know the Democrats will always

01:36:25.720 talk about their defense of women. 0.92

01:36:27.680 Well, you're undermining Title IX by allowing biological boys to participate in girls' sports. 0.96

01:36:32.820 But this is somebody that also supports one of Phil Murphy's policies, our current governor,

01:36:37.020 where school districts keep secrets from parents, which I think is immoral, indecent, wrong,

01:36:41.920 and dangerous.

01:36:42.840 If we really care about kids, stop allowing biological boys and girls' sports, and we're 1.00

01:36:47.380 getting rid of policy 57-56.

01:36:49.620 No more keeping secrets from parents when I'm governor.

01:36:52.340 Before you came on, we were talking about how Colorado and New Jersey, New Jersey, are

01:36:57.620 now the only two states in the union, thanks to Phil Murphy, that are allowing abortion on

01:37:02.960 demand all the way through the 40th week of pregnancy.

01:37:07.000 It's crazy.

01:37:09.200 So I have two questions for you.

01:37:10.540 Number one, what would you do about that now law in New Jersey if you became governor?

01:37:15.120 And number two, how do you get a state that's crazy enough to actually pass that?

01:37:20.380 You know, they had to have state lawmakers involved.

01:37:22.100 Phil Murphy had to sign off on it to vote for a Republican.

01:37:26.060 Yeah, first let me say, Megan, that back at 21 with that very close race that I lost,

01:37:30.620 you alluded to, you know, I flipped eight seats in the state legislature, and that was with

01:37:34.280 wind in my face.

01:37:35.060 We got some serious wind in our back this time.

01:37:37.360 I could flip 13 seats.

01:37:39.000 And when we do that, we'll have something we haven't had in 25 years, a Republican majority

01:37:43.180 in our state legislature.

01:37:44.500 But listen, I'm going to fight like hell to make sure there are not late-term abortions, 0.73

01:37:48.420 taxpayer dollars are not paying for abortions, but most of all, parental notification.

01:37:53.260 Something else my opponent does not support.

01:37:55.520 I mean, in New Jersey, you can't get your ears pierced under the age of 18 without the

01:37:59.840 permission of your parents.

01:38:00.740 And yet a 15, 16, or 17-year-old woman is going to get an abortion, not have parents 0.99

01:38:05.560 be notified.

01:38:06.480 Another one of those 80-20 issues here in New Jersey that I'm going to fight like hell

01:38:10.160 for.

01:38:11.040 The thing is, New Jersey does have large pockets of red.

01:38:13.680 It's kind of like California in that it's almost uniformly blue when you look at who's

01:38:18.940 running it, who are the elected lawmakers.

01:38:21.080 But it has large pockets of red.

01:38:22.720 You know, trust me, like Jersey Shore, Atlantic City, you go there, you're overwhelmed with

01:38:27.860 Trump flags.

01:38:28.660 So there are Republicans, long-suffering Republicans in the state of New Jersey.

01:38:33.140 She's trying to depress your turnout by suggesting you killed people. 0.57

01:38:37.520 That's where she went because you ran this medical company that put out materials involving

01:38:42.660 opioids that downplayed the risks back at a time when a lot of people didn't understand.

01:38:48.640 But in any event, here was the attack she launched on you at the debate.

01:38:51.660 It was sought, 34.

01:38:53.280 Let's watch it.

01:38:54.580 I got to walk at my college graduation.

01:38:56.700 Even during, even.

01:38:58.100 I got to walk at my college graduation.

01:38:59.300 And I'm so glad that you then went on to kill tens of thousands of people in New Jersey,

01:39:04.280 including children.

01:39:04.860 And I never broke the law.

01:39:05.420 As they got.

01:39:06.400 I never broke the law.

01:39:07.220 You just broke the law.

01:39:07.680 In fact, your campaign right now is under federal investigation for how you illegally got

01:39:11.540 access to my records.

01:39:13.460 So to say that right now, and I think you're trying to divert from the fact that you killed

01:39:16.820 tens of thousands of people by printing.

01:39:18.520 You broke the law.

01:39:19.140 Your misinformation, your propaganda, and then getting paid to develop an app so that people

01:39:24.380 could more easily get the opioids once they were addicted.

01:39:27.940 How do you respond to that?

01:39:29.900 Megan, it is a baseless, reckless lie from a desperate candidate who felt the heat from

01:39:35.600 the Naval Academy revelations and the revelations about her net worth and breaking federal law

01:39:40.000 and stock trades.

01:39:41.000 She cracked.

01:39:41.720 But I'll tell you what, that one's going to end her up in court. 1.00

01:39:44.200 We'll be filing a defamation suit real soon on that one.

01:39:47.160 And you want to talk about hypocrisy.

01:39:48.620 Guess what we found out 48 hours after she made those baseless claims?

01:39:52.960 That she took massive campaign contributions from the very same company she was accusing

01:39:58.040 me of colluding with.

01:39:59.680 Wow.

01:40:00.720 OK, let's talk horse race, because we want to give people a realistic assessment of where

01:40:05.280 things are.

01:40:05.680 You mentioned the Emerson poll, which now has this dead heat, which is amazing.

01:40:08.880 Amazing.

01:40:09.320 Um, but New Jersey has early voting, too, and we have to look at that.

01:40:14.900 It sounds like so far, I'm a little worried about the early voting.

01:40:19.060 Explain to me why I shouldn't be, because here's my producer with it, with the glass half empty

01:40:23.680 take.

01:40:24.540 Democrats, again, won the early person vote, uh, in person vote on Tuesday.

01:40:29.280 You would want it on Monday, but they took it back on Tuesday.

01:40:31.800 Republicans still behind in the overall early person, uh, early in-person vote.

01:40:37.620 Republicans actually won the early in-person vote in 2024, and Trump still lost New Jersey

01:40:42.460 to Harris.

01:40:43.060 So that's scary.

01:40:44.080 You look at the mail-in vote, Dems are up 26.4 points over the GOP in the early in-person

01:40:49.520 plus mail-in vote.

01:40:51.000 So what this tells me is that you really need them to show up on election day in droves.

01:40:55.540 You, you walk me off the cliff.

01:40:57.300 OK, first of all, keep in mind with regard to the polls that show this literally is a

01:41:01.900 dead heat that traditionally, historically speaking, Republicans under poll in this state

01:41:07.300 because we're outnumbered by so many Democrats.

01:41:09.640 But the other thing to keep in mind is back in 2021, I beat Phil Murphy, the current governor,

01:41:14.700 on election day, in-person voting on the machines by 250,000.

01:41:19.900 So we're going into election day somewhat tied based on the vote-by-mail ballots that have

01:41:24.560 been returned and early voting, nine days of early voting, we're in really good shape.

01:41:29.740 Oh, OK.

01:41:30.720 I see your point.

01:41:31.880 Yes, you just need to keep, you're not expecting to win the mail-in vote and the early vote as

01:41:37.360 a Republican.

01:41:37.880 You just have to keep the margin tight enough that your day of vote will put you over the

01:41:42.060 edge.

01:41:42.740 I'm not ruling it out that we don't win the nine days of early voting, Megan.

01:41:46.000 If you take a look at the motivation of voters, the motivation's all on my side.

01:41:49.680 And one of the crosstabs in many of the polls measures enthusiasm.

01:41:54.060 I'm beating my opponent by 10 points when it comes to the enthusiasm factor.

01:41:58.560 How could you not be?

01:41:59.440 She's so milquetoast and not likable. 1.00

01:42:01.860 I don't understand.

01:42:02.700 New Jerseyans are so down to earth.

01:42:04.520 They're fun.

01:42:05.140 They're funny.

01:42:05.920 They're fighters.

01:42:07.000 I don't get that they're resonating with her or that Phil Murphy would resonate with

01:42:11.140 them.

01:42:11.560 Like, explain to me what's happening with this electorate, that it's this tight between

01:42:16.200 you and this woman.

01:42:16.980 She's not from New Jersey, and she's demonstrated that time and time again, Megan.

01:42:22.400 We get up and down the state eight days a week.

01:42:24.920 She has ducked appearance after appearance after appearance.

01:42:27.900 Yesterday was another day in front of 500 members of an important business advocacy here

01:42:32.120 in the state.

01:42:33.020 You got to get out there and press the flesh.

01:42:34.620 We do.

01:42:35.400 Listen, I'm very confident.

01:42:36.920 Everything learned from 21 and the closeness of that race, this one feels very, very different.

01:42:41.720 The energy is electric.

01:42:42.620 The reception in minority communities has been overwhelmingly positive this time around.

01:42:47.660 And keep in mind one other thing.

01:42:49.440 Thirteen prominent Democrats, all current office holders, have endorsed my candidacy.

01:42:54.920 When Democrats in this state start endorsing the Republican nominee, that's telling you

01:42:59.420 something.

01:43:00.360 Mm-hmm.

01:43:00.980 Meanwhile, it's like you get this gift.

01:43:03.120 I saw you posted about it on X just as we go to, you know, voting week.

01:43:06.840 Um, drag queens are being invited by the Democrat Union to appear at their next month, a big, 1.00

01:43:14.860 I don't know, it's there's some woke event called Celebrating the Vibrant World of Drag.

01:43:19.540 This is the union's annual convention in Atlantic City, touting equity, justice, and et cetera,

01:43:25.440 ahead of learning.

01:43:27.100 How, did New Jerseyans even know about this?

01:43:30.300 Do you think that this is just a matter of like watching too much CNN and not knowing this

01:43:33.960 is happening?

01:43:34.380 This is the teacher's union, which will be convening in about a month's time.

01:43:38.920 And they're advertising their programming for this year's convention.

01:43:42.100 And one of which is this drag programming.

01:43:44.300 I don't understand it one bit.

01:43:46.020 I find it disgusting.

01:43:47.860 Listen, I'm a live and let live guy, but there's stuff that does not belong in our schools.

01:43:52.540 That includes the LGBTQ curriculum.

01:43:55.460 It also includes this, this drag thing that the NJEA, the teacher's union has going on.

01:44:00.580 Listen, they already own my opponent.

01:44:02.300 They've been lying about me left and right, but I take it as a compliment.

01:44:05.480 To me, it's a sign of desperation.

01:44:08.020 Jack, let's go.

01:44:09.220 Let's do this thing.

01:44:10.400 You got a couple of days to go.

01:44:11.680 New Jerseyans, get up, get off the couch. 0.85

01:44:14.520 Make sure if you're registered to vote, you vote for Jack Cedarelli.

01:44:16.880 We cannot have this woman taking New Jersey into another four plus years of Democrat rule. 1.00

01:44:21.660 Thank you, my friend.

01:44:22.300 It's jack4newjersey.com.

01:44:25.380 Jack4newjersey.com if you want to help him out.

01:44:27.120 Good luck.

01:44:28.520 Megan, thank you.

01:44:29.320 All the best.

01:44:30.840 Wow.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 30, 2025

Vance and Erika Shine at TP, Kamala Whiffs, and Turning NJ Red, with Allie Beth Stuckey and Jack Ciattarelli ｜ Ep. 1183

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