The Megyn Kelly Show - Vance on ＂5-Year-Old Detained by ICE＂ Story, Jack Smith Grilled, Barron Saves Woman： AM Update 1⧸23

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00:00:30.000 Good morning, everyone. I'm Megan Kelly.

00:00:34.820 It's Friday, January 23rd, 2025.

00:00:38.000 And this is your AM Update.

00:00:40.040 When I think to myself, oh my God, this is terrible.

00:00:42.800 How did we arrest a five-year-old?

00:00:44.100 Well, I do a little bit more follow-up research.

00:00:46.060 Vice President J.D. Vance brings a dose of reality to Minneapolis

00:00:49.260 in a visit designed to increase cooperation between local business leaders

00:00:53.340 and federal immigration enforcement.

00:00:55.860 NYPD officers seeking emergency medical treatment say

00:00:59.800 they were treated like pariahs by hospital staff who confused them for ICE agents.

00:01:05.680 So my final question is, do you believe that you made any mistakes?

00:01:08.900 Do you have any regrets as to how you conducted this investigation?

00:01:11.460 Former counsel Jack Smith, pressed by Republicans at a House Judiciary hearing,

00:01:16.320 probing his investigations into then-candidate Trump.

00:01:19.280 And Barron Trump, President Trump's youngest child, credited with saving a woman's life,

00:01:25.620 will tell you the story.

00:01:26.800 All that and more coming up in just a moment on your AM Update.

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00:02:20.840 Vice President J.D. Vance arriving in Minneapolis yesterday to participate in a roundtable discussion

00:02:28.460 with local business leaders and law enforcement.

00:02:31.900 The visit coming amid weeks of violent protesters clashing with and obstructing ICE officers.

00:02:37.680 Mr. Vance seeking to ease tensions and increase local collaboration with federal immigration

00:02:42.260 efforts.

00:02:43.220 The VP speaking to reporters following the briefing, describing the dangerous and hostile atmosphere

00:02:48.400 even off-duty ICE officers face in the Twin Cities.

00:02:52.140 Did you know that within the last, I think, week or so, maybe even more recently than that,

00:02:56.700 you had a couple of ICE officers who were off-duty, who had been doxxed online, who were sitting

00:03:01.760 and having a meal at a restaurant in Minneapolis when a bunch of agitators showed up, locked the door,

00:03:07.860 made them feel like they were in danger for their lives.

00:03:10.580 And then, of course, it was federal law enforcement officers who had to come up,

00:03:13.940 lower the temperature on the situation, and actually get those two off-duty officers to

00:03:18.780 a point of safety.

00:03:19.960 Now imagine, if you would, your life and your perspective on law enforcement if you can't

00:03:26.840 even go to a restaurant without some agitators locking the door and making you feel like

00:03:31.500 your life is in danger.

00:03:32.820 That is the environment that has been created.

00:03:35.240 Minnesota Governor Tim Walz and Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry repeatedly criticizing the Trump

00:03:40.380 administration for surging in thousands of federal agents, accusing the government of

00:03:45.440 pulling a political stunt.

00:03:47.580 VP Vance pushing back, arguing the heavy federal presence is a direct result of the lack of cooperation

00:03:53.640 from state and local officials.

00:03:55.360 If you go to Austin, Texas or Memphis, Tennessee, you do not have this level of chaos.

00:04:00.820 The reason why things have gotten so out of hand is because of failure of cooperation between

00:04:06.820 the state and local authorities and what these guys are trying to do.

00:04:11.080 We have a ton of resources, a ton of ICE agents in this city right now.

00:04:15.600 I'd love to send those guys home.

00:04:17.700 They're not even doing targeted immigration enforcement.

00:04:20.620 They are trying to protect ICE officers who are doing immigration enforcement because when

00:04:26.060 a crowd surrounds them and these guys call 911, the local officials, the local cops have

00:04:31.200 been told to stand down.

00:04:32.300 The vice president's visit coming amid viral reports that ICE, quote, detained a five-year-old

00:04:38.280 boy in Minneapolis.

00:04:40.080 The New York Times writing, quote, detention of five-year-old by federal agents incenses Minneapolis.

00:04:46.040 ABC News, quote, five-year-old asylum seeker detained as ICE expands enforcement in Minnesota.

00:04:52.640 Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton weighing in, posting on X, quote, enforcing the law is

00:04:57.260 one thing.

00:04:58.260 Terrorizing a population using children as pawns is another.

00:05:01.660 My heart aches for Liam Ramos and his family.

00:05:05.620 Kamala Harris, posting, quote, Liam Ramos is just a baby.

00:05:09.120 He should be home with his family, not used as bait by ICE and held in a Texas detention

00:05:14.080 center.

00:05:14.900 I am outraged and you should be, too.

00:05:17.960 J.D. Vance weighing in on some of the misinformation out there on this case yesterday.

00:05:22.940 I'm a father of a five-year-old, actually, a five-year-old little boy.

00:05:25.640 And I think to myself, oh, my God, this is terrible.

00:05:28.260 How did we arrest a five-year-old?

00:05:29.500 Well, I do a little bit more follow-up research.

00:05:31.160 And what I find is that the five-year-old was not arrested, that his dad was an illegal

00:05:37.000 alien.

00:05:37.680 And then when they went to arrest his illegal alien father, the father ran.

00:05:42.400 Are they supposed to let a five-year-old child freeze to death?

00:05:45.340 Are they not supposed to arrest an illegal alien in the United States of America?

00:05:49.960 If the argument is that you can't arrest people who have violated our laws because they have

00:05:55.640 children, then every single parent is going to be completely given immunity from ever being

00:06:01.060 the subject of law enforcement.

00:06:02.920 That doesn't make any sense.

00:06:04.280 No one thinks that makes any sense.

00:06:06.240 DHS writing on X, quote, ICE did not target, arrest a child or use a child as bait.

00:06:12.740 ICE law enforcement officers were the only people primarily concerned with the welfare of this

00:06:17.540 child. The agency explaining that the boy's father ran. His alleged mother refused to accept

00:06:23.480 custody of the child, and DHS alone was left to care for the boy while trying multiple times to

00:06:28.620 get the alleged mother to take him, even assuring her that she would not be taken into custody.

00:06:34.180 Finally, ICE catching the father, who DHS says decided he wanted the child to remain with him.

00:06:40.220 Officers abided by the father's wishes, even getting the child McDonald's and playing his

00:06:44.960 favorite music for him. DHS explaining that parents have the choice to keep their children

00:06:49.440 with them upon removal or to have them placed with a safe person of the parents' choosing,

00:06:54.900 consistent with the policy of past administrations. DHS also allows parents being removed to use the

00:07:01.480 CBP Home app, which gives them a free flight back to their native country and $2,600 and reserves

00:07:08.360 them the right to try and come back the legal way. Late yesterday, the family's attorney claiming

00:07:13.620 that the family, from Ecuador, has been seeking asylum through the protocol established by the

00:07:18.960 Biden administration. Proper asylum seekers are not technically considered illegal immigrants.

00:07:24.220 We asked DHS about that claim, and they referred us to their earlier statement, which refers to this

00:07:29.320 man as an illegal immigrant, presumably disagreeing with the assertions about asylum.

00:07:34.980 A disturbing report out of New York City. Three plainclothes NYPD detectives arriving at NYU Langone

00:07:44.080 Cobble Hill Hospital in Brooklyn last Friday, seeking medical treatment for minor injuries following a

00:07:49.940 struggle with a drug suspect, according to the New York Post. Hospital officials telling the detectives

00:07:55.160 they could not enter the emergency room while armed, prompting one officer to agree to hold his

00:08:00.420 partner's firearm while the first officer was being treated. Hospital staff then approaching the

00:08:05.800 second detective in the waiting room, instructing him to leave because he was armed. At that point,

00:08:11.440 the NYPD tells the Post, quote, the two detectives heard members of the hospital staff say something to

00:08:16.840 the effect of believing they were ICE and that they should seek care elsewhere. A source familiar with

00:08:22.700 the incident telling the Post hospital staff were, quote, nasty toward the officers, accusing them of being ICE

00:08:28.520 agents. The detectives' endowment association, the detectives' union, announcing it is actively

00:08:34.320 investigating the incident, writing in a statement it will, quote, pursue all available remedies to

00:08:39.760 ensure our members are treated with the dignity, respect, and professionalism they have unequivocally

00:08:45.180 earned. New York City Mayor Zoram Mamdani, who earlier this week appeared on The View, calling for the

00:08:50.740 abolition of ICE, telling reporters on Wednesday he was not aware of the incident. NYU Langone releasing a

00:08:57.960 statement following a discussion with Police Commissioner Jessica Tish, expressing regret for

00:09:03.140 how the situation was handled, quote, and reaffirming our commitment to continue providing the highest

00:09:08.460 quality care to the NYPD and all law enforcement agencies. In 2025, they went on, NYU Langone was proud

00:09:16.020 to provide care to nearly 1,000 NYPD officers across all our emergency departments. The statement does not

00:09:23.060 indicate any disciplinary action has been taken against the staff involved in this incident.

00:09:30.020 Coming up, former Special Prosecutor Jack Smith faces heat from the GOP in an appearance before the

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00:10:42.800 Former special counsel Jack Smith appearing before the House Judiciary Committee yesterday,

00:10:47.380 defending his collapsed cases against President Trump as Republicans accused him of overreach,

00:10:53.580 secrecy, and abuse of prosecutorial power. Former Attorney General Merrick Garland appointing

00:10:59.440 Smith in 2022 to oversee two investigations into then-candidate Trump, the Mar-a-Lago classified

00:11:06.000 documents case and the 2020 January 6th case, both cases falling apart in 2024. Throughout the

00:11:13.520 hearing, Democrats repeatedly coming to Smith's defense, praising his conduct and portraying him

00:11:18.300 as a principled public servant, always acting in good faith. Here, Congressman Jamie Raskin of Maryland,

00:11:24.140 Eric Swalwell of California, and Joe Naguse of Colorado. Now, Mr. Smith, you're one of America's

00:11:30.160 great prosecutors. While others may have devoted their lives to corrupt self-enrichment, you have

00:11:36.420 devoted your life to the rule of law and to public service. We are grateful for your service to this

00:11:42.460 country. We appreciate your fidelity to the rule of law. Mr. Smith, I want you to have the utmost confidence

00:11:48.140 in what you did. You did everything right. You, unlike many here, are a man of honor.

00:11:55.620 We spoke to Julie Kelly, reporter for Declassified on Substack, who has closely followed these cases

00:12:00.880 from the very beginning. She says the day did not go well for Jack Smith.

00:12:05.700 I think it was a disaster for Jack Smith. I think, you know, Democrats and Jack Smith himself and the

00:12:11.480 media were preparing for him to really school the committee on all of Donald Trump's criminality.

00:12:18.140 But for the president winning, he would have been able to easily convict the president in both of

00:12:23.400 those documents case in J6. But that just did not happen. And I think you can tell, Megan, by the

00:12:29.320 response, you know, of the media and even Democrats on the panel that this did not go well. So they had

00:12:36.880 to spend every, all of their time talking about Donald Trump, how he tried to steal, you know, overturn the

00:12:42.060 2020 election. And all of them would say, on behalf of my state or my district, thank you so much for

00:12:48.680 your service, your 30 years of service, because they recognize that I think most people view Jack

00:12:55.200 Smith and the entire special counsel's operation as nothing more than a political witch hunt

00:13:00.480 to try to damage and destroy Donald Trump before the election.

00:13:05.200 Republicans walking through Smith's record, challenging his methods, focusing in particular

00:13:10.580 on his decision to secretly subpoena the phone records of multiple GOP members of Congress.

00:13:16.020 In other words, members of a co-equal branch of government to the executive, which employed

00:13:21.200 Jack Smith. Those records obtained under nondisclosure orders, preventing the phone companies from notifying

00:13:27.680 their customers that their records had even been turned over to prosecutors. Congressman

00:13:33.200 Brandon Gill of Texas questioning Smith on nondisclosure orders Gill says Smith secured

00:13:38.940 to obtain then House Speaker Kevin McCarthy's records.

00:13:42.920 You did. And let me ask you, Mr. Smith, at the time you secured those nondisclosure orders,

00:13:47.200 was Speaker McCarthy a flight risk?

00:13:49.800 The nondisclosure order was based on concerns about...

00:13:53.840 Was Speaker McCarthy a flight risk?

00:13:55.540 He was not.

00:13:56.380 Then why did your nondisclosure order refer to him as a flight risk?

00:13:59.780 Sir, when securing a nondisclosure order, the risks don't have to be associated...

00:14:06.520 You think the Speaker of the House is a flight risk? You think he's going to hop on a plane

00:14:10.440 and leave the country?

00:14:11.960 No. What I was trying to explain is, with respect to a nondisclosure order, the risks

00:14:17.300 aren't necessarily associated with the subscriber to the phone. They're the risks to the investigation.

00:14:23.580 I think that you were using, this was clearly in reference to Speaker McCarthy, and you were

00:14:29.460 using clearly false information to secure a nondisclosure order to hide from Speaker

00:14:34.540 McCarthy and from the American people the fact that you were spying on his toll records.

00:14:39.520 According to Kelly, Smith faced little resistance from the judges overseeing his probes.

00:14:45.140 They were the ones who were signing off as chief judges of the D.C. District Court.

00:14:49.960 Beryl Howell and then Jeb Bosworth took over as chief judge in the spring of 2023.

00:14:55.880 They are both Obama appointees. They both have a long track record of anti-Trump animus,

00:15:04.400 or animus towards the president, and January Sixers. I mean, Jeb Bosworth called January 6th

00:15:10.120 an insurrection in a few court orders. So they were only too happy to act as a rubber stamp

00:15:16.500 for first the DOJ, then Jack Smith, and whatever they wanted.

00:15:21.120 Kelly argues those approvals came with little concern for future scrutiny because these prosecutors

00:15:26.080 and judges never expected Donald Trump to return to power.

00:15:30.420 They never foresaw what happened in 2024. Republicans, again, taking over the legislative

00:15:38.060 branch and Donald Trump back in the White House. They thought this would stay under wraps forever,

00:15:42.560 or by the time this was disclosed, no one would care. There wouldn't be anything that anyone could

00:15:48.680 do. And that's just not the case here, which is why Jack Smith stumbles around trying to give a good

00:15:53.400 answer as to why he sought these NDOs. Elsewhere in the hearing, Congressman Daryl Issa of California

00:15:58.980 pressing Smith on potential political motivations for seeking these records.

00:16:03.220 To what end would conversations between the Speaker of the U.S. House and the president,

00:16:09.560 in what basis would it be any of your business, you, like the president's men for Richard Nixon,

00:16:17.300 went after your political enemies? Maybe they're not your political enemies,

00:16:21.300 but they sure as hell were Joe Biden's political enemies, weren't they? They were the enemies of the

00:16:26.200 president, and you were their arm, weren't you? No.

00:16:30.060 Well, did you mention that you were spying on seeking records so you could find out about

00:16:35.900 when conversations occurred between the U.S. Speaker of the House and the president? Did

00:16:41.060 you inform the judge, or did you hold that back? My office didn't spy on anyone.

00:16:46.900 Time is expired, but we're going to let the witness answer your question because it's an important

00:16:49.940 question. We did not provide that information to the judge when we requested a non-disclosure order

00:16:56.480 consistent with the law and consistent with the department. Mr. Chairman, the amazing thing here

00:17:01.340 today is that we have an admission. Congressman Kevin Kiley from California tying it all together,

00:17:07.940 demonstrating a larger pattern in which Smith repeatedly pushed legal boundaries.

00:17:12.740 You also sought orders from judges, making it so those who were being, having their records seized

00:17:19.880 would not know about it. Similarly, you issued a gag order against President Trump that the D.C.

00:17:24.740 Circuit Court of Appeals vacated as overbroad. Is that correct? Well, the D.C. Court of Appeals

00:17:30.640 in passing on that order found that it was justified. They narrowed the order, but because

00:17:37.180 it was overbroad. In addition to that, you sought an early trial date that the district court rejected,

00:17:42.540 and when you presented your prosecution memo to Attorney General Garland, it's been reported that

00:17:46.740 he was visibly unimpressed and expressed First Amendment concerns. So, Mr. Smith, looking at the record,

00:17:51.920 I see that you were reversed and rebuked by the Department of Justice itself, by the Attorney

00:17:56.700 General, by the Solicitor General, by multiple district court justices, judges, by the Court of

00:18:02.020 Appeals, and by the U.S. Supreme Court itself. So, my final question is, do you believe that you made

00:18:06.580 any mistakes? If I have any regret, it would be not expressing enough appreciation for my staff

00:18:13.520 who work so hard in these investigations. Kelly says these failures reflect a broader pattern

00:18:18.900 across Smith's entire career. Jack Smith has actually a terrible record before higher courts.

00:18:26.580 He had a lot of luck in Washington, D.C. because he had two Democrat chief judges who were happy to

00:18:32.940 give him whatever he wanted. And, of course, then bringing up the 8-0 reversal of Jack Smith's

00:18:39.040 conviction of former Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell and his wife. Also, he got a hung jury when he tried

00:18:45.900 to try John Edwards the first time. I mean, this is one of the biggest prosecutorial losers of all 0.75

00:18:52.000 time. Yet, he wants to sit up there and act like he has a stellar 30-year career as a prosecutor 0.82

00:18:59.160 and is above reproach, and that's just not the case.

00:19:06.120 Barron Trump credited with helping to save a woman's life last year after witnessing an alleged

00:19:12.000 assault over FaceTime and alerting U.K. authorities. Prosecutors on Wednesday playing a recording of a

00:19:18.760 999 call, the U.K.'s version of 911, during the London trial of Matve Rumiancev, a former MMA fighter

00:19:28.040 accused of assaulting and raping his ex-girlfriend, who cannot be named under U.K. law. According to

00:19:34.640 prosecutors, the incident occurring in January 2025, when then-18-year-old Barron Trump received a FaceTime

00:19:41.260 call from a female friend in London and witnessed her being attacked. In the emergency call transcript

00:19:47.400 obtained by U.K. outlet Metro, the younger Trump telling the operator, quote, I'm calling from the U.S.

00:19:53.360 I just got a call from a girl. She's getting beat up. Barron then gives the woman's address,

00:19:58.800 continuing, quote, I just figured out how to call someone. It's really an emergency. The operator presses

00:20:04.800 him for details on how they met. Barron, focusing on the girl, says, I don't think these details matter.

00:20:10.900 She's getting beat up. But okay, fine, I met her on social media. The operator accuses him of being

00:20:17.080 rude with that comment, and again demands to know how he and this woman met. I met her on social media,

00:20:24.400 he repeats. Barron says again how badly this young woman is getting beaten up, and expresses his 0.88

00:20:29.800 concern, then tells the operator, so sorry for being rude. So sweet of him to say that. Authorities only

00:20:37.500 learning of Trump's identity after arriving at the scene. The woman dialing Trump, asking if he

00:20:42.760 called the police. Trump's voice heard on body cameras, telling authorities, quote, I just saw a

00:20:47.920 ceiling and could hear screaming. I could see a guy's head on the phone, and then the camera turns to her

00:20:52.740 crying and getting hit. In court on Wednesday, the woman telling jurors, quote, he helped save my life.

00:20:58.360 That call was like a sign from God at that moment. The trial remains ongoing.

00:21:05.740 And that'll do it for your AM update. I'm Megyn Kelly. Join me back here for the MK Show,

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Vance on ＂5-Year-Old Detained by ICE＂ Story, Jack Smith Grilled, Barron Saves Woman： AM Update 1⧸23

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