The Megyn Kelly Show - Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's ＂TORTUROUS＂ Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod ｜ Ep. 1068

00:00:00.540 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.880 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. There is so much to get to

00:00:16.440 today. It is an incredibly busy news day. President Trump announces the first trade

00:00:20.360 deal with our longtime ally, the UK. The president says it's the first of many, plus a wild and

00:00:27.960 awesome hearing on Capitol Hill yesterday. Brandon Gill is my hero. Remember this guy who went after

00:00:38.480 the head of NPR with her blonde hair and her weird affect, this obvious rich white Connecticut woman 1.00

00:00:47.400 riddled with white guilt for her enormous privilege growing up in Connecticut. And she had sent out

00:00:53.820 those wacky tweets about wanting to pay reparations and reading the case for reparations. And then he

00:00:59.840 got to her. She's like, I never read that book. Really? Then why did you tweet? You tweet, you

00:01:03.620 tweeted that you did. I don't remember ever doing that. You tweeted it. I took the whole day off to

00:01:07.780 read a book on reparations, this book. Anyway, he's back. And he took to task the villain who heads up

00:01:17.400 USA fencing. I mean, I got like, what? Why are we spending time on USA fencing? Because it's headed

00:01:24.080 by a villain who is making decisions that are actively hurting young women. And all we needed

00:01:29.640 was to get this cretin in front of people like Brandon Gill, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Nancy Mace, 0.98

00:01:37.640 all three of whom disemboweled this man. I'm sorry. It was awesome. Okay, we'll get to that. 0.94

00:01:44.320 Uh, and we have a new nominee for Trump's surgeon general. You know, this, if you listen to AM update,

00:01:51.640 um, and it's a great one, Dr. Casey means you all know her. She's been one of our favorites on the

00:01:58.300 show these past two years. You know, she's brilliant. She's taking some attacks. We'll get

00:02:04.100 into why and discuss it in just a minute here to react to all of this. What a great day to have the

00:02:10.480 news line up with these guys, Josh Holmes, Michael Duncan, Josh, John Ashbrook, and comfortably smug

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00:03:21.920 thank me. Great to see you guys. Great to see you. Thanks for having us. Oh my God. So notwithstanding

00:03:28.880 all that, like the trade, we're going to get to all of it, but we have to start with what just

00:03:33.360 happened over the past 62 minutes on the view. And it's not even one of my wacky view clips for you

00:03:40.980 where we just make fun of sunny or joy. I mean, we, we love those, but this is like legit Joe Biden

00:03:47.240 who's on. Well, you guys will tell me what he's doing here and I'll tell you what Mark Halpern says.

00:03:53.280 He's on some sort of a rehabilitation tour. Okay. Anyway, he goes onto the view and it wasn't

00:04:01.220 rehabilitative at all here. Um, okay, let's start with, I guess 37. Is that the one we love the

00:04:09.880 best? Steve, you, you pick 35, 35. Why do you think the vice president lost? And were you surprised?

00:04:17.760 Well, I wasn't surprised, not because I didn't think the vice president was qualified person to be

00:04:22.840 president. She is, she's qualified to be president of the United States of America. 1.00

00:04:26.900 But I was surprised. I wasn't surprised because they went the route of, uh, the sexist route,

00:04:33.680 all the whole route. I mean, this is a woman, she's this, she's that. I mean, it really, I've never

00:04:39.500 seen quite, uh, as successful and a consistent campaign undercutting the notion that a woman 0.93

00:04:46.960 couldn't lead the country and a woman of mixed race barely spit it out. And he threw that one 1.00

00:04:55.480 out there too. He and Obama are two peas in a pod on this sexism and racism. If you didn't vote for

00:05:03.700 her, that's obviously what she thinks too, but the nerve of this guy of all people to come out and say

00:05:08.580 that's why she lost. Uh, yeah. I mean, here, here's the deal, Megan, you know, they're putting

00:05:14.940 him out there to provide proof of life because a lot of people are wondering they hadn't seen him

00:05:19.300 in a while, but at some point in every person's life, you go from rehab to palliative care.

00:05:26.620 He is definitely in the palliative care category right now. It's also sort of funny to me,

00:05:32.680 like they're so effusive in their praise of Kamala Harris. Like at some point it sort of undercuts

00:05:38.320 whether she was actually qualified. Do you have to say it every time you mentioned her,

00:05:41.720 you know, the other thing is like, it's obvious the reason why she lost. It was all the damaging

00:05:47.880 video and audio of her from when she ran for president back in 2020. Uh, it was being tethered

00:05:54.260 to his terrible administration. It was like, so like, of course it's easy for him to be like,

00:05:59.080 well, it was misogyny and racism. That's, that's why she went down because then he doesn't have to

00:06:03.000 admit the thing that he was a terrible president. Yeah. It was my border. Yeah. What the hell was he

00:06:09.020 talking about? By the way, he was like, I've never seen such an effective, like misogynistic 0.96

00:06:13.100 character. That's actually a first take. I mean, I've, I know that Democrats say, well, it's because

00:06:19.420 the country is misogynistic and racist and all those things. But like, he's pointing the finger

00:06:24.120 basically at the Trump campaign saying that they had like this. Well, I mean, if you go back to like

00:06:28.540 the, the ad slate of the messaging matrix that the Trump administration put together in the course of

00:06:35.300 that campaign, it was immigration, it was crime. It was the horrible economy. I mean, none of these 1.00

00:06:40.400 things are gender specific, right? Uh, all of these things are his horrible decision-making that she 0.68

00:06:46.020 was latched to the belt on at the view when she said, Hmm, I can't think of anything I would do

00:06:52.460 differently. They asked him about that. They asked him about that moment. Watch this. South 36.

00:06:58.480 When the vice president was here, I asked her if she would have done something differently than 0.92

00:07:04.400 your administration over the past four years. And because of all the successes that your

00:07:10.120 administration had, um, I think her response was, there is not a thing that comes to mind.

00:07:17.260 Now that answer was weaponized against her. And there has been some reporting that you encouraged

00:07:23.440 her for there to be no daylight between the two of you. First, is that true? And do you think in

00:07:29.600 retrospect that she should have tried to differentiate all the wins that your administration

00:07:35.520 had? Well, look, first of all, I did not advise her to say that. Number one, like I said, I was

00:07:42.940 vice president. I understand the role. Number one. Number two, I think it was, I think she was

00:07:49.660 talking about, she was, wouldn't have changed the successes we've had. Not as opposed to that we

00:07:56.020 would have changed anything at all. She has to be your own person. And she was, she was. And so I

00:08:03.600 think that, uh, that was used, uh, in a way that is contrary to what she meant by when she, when she

00:08:10.640 said that. Oh my gosh. And, uh, and I think that, uh, you know, I, she, she was part of every success

00:08:17.840 we had. We'd argue like hell, by the way. No, no, no. That's good. That's good. Yeah. We sit and say,

00:08:23.900 well, what about this person? No, Joe, I don't like that. Well, I, you know, I, anyway, we worked

00:08:28.340 it out. Oh my Lord. Did that clear that for you? I mean, you have clarity on it now? That gerbil is

00:08:36.680 having a hard time spinning the wheel. It is about as tortured as I've ever seen. It was torturous. And,

00:08:45.340 and on Sonny's part too there, like, like she is trying to hand this off to, to Biden and,

00:08:53.620 and hopefully he can take it from there. Right? Like, like, okay, she wants to straight face,

00:08:58.060 tell us that what the question was, like, what sort of winds would you have changed? Like, like,

00:09:02.320 like that's an actual question you would ask a person. It doesn't make any logical sense.

00:09:06.740 That's exactly right. Thank you. It was so insane the way that she, she's like beyond effusive of

00:09:10.440 being like, so here's the thing, because of your record of tremendous successes, dear leader,

00:09:15.580 like what? Are you asking him a question? Joe, Joe Biden, tell us your greatest weakness.

00:09:20.980 You know what, you know, what's so amazing, you know, what's so amazing about it, you guys is

00:09:25.040 that, so here she's like, I am not going to make the same mistake twice. You know, I already fucked 0.99

00:09:30.160 up Kamala Harris's run for the office and I am not going to do anything to undermine this guy. So I'm 0.93

00:09:35.420 just going to give him the answer in the question. Like, you know, and so she declined to distinguish

00:09:40.980 any of her policies from all the ones that you did so successfully. What's your reaction to that?

00:09:47.000 Right. So she's trying to give him the softball like that. And then he has no idea what she has

00:09:53.000 said. Like in his defense, it was kind of incomprehensible, but this is not the way to set Joe Biden up for

00:09:58.580 success because he couldn't spin it quite the way she could. And by the way, for the listening audience,

00:10:04.360 she read the entire question. These women are dopes. They can't come up with their own thoughtful 1.00

00:10:09.020 question. They can't ad lib something. She's just reading what some producer, and I know this 0.63

00:10:14.140 personally, I've been on the view many, many times. They give you the questions in advance

00:10:19.440 as the guest. I guarantee you, they gave those questions to Joe Biden too. In any event, what a

00:10:26.100 joke, right? Like, so none of it made sense. The premise of the question was false. Like she was

00:10:31.360 giving Kamala the chance to differentiate herself from all the successful policies that Joe Biden had.

00:10:38.720 And then his answer, which is, I don't think people used her answer in a way that represented

00:10:46.260 what she really meant, which was, I think, what you just said, something about how successful I was.

00:10:53.000 Yeah, it's exactly right. And there was there was one moment where I think something registered for

00:10:59.800 Biden. If you caught at the very end of her question and she said, I asked this question and

00:11:05.520 the Republicans weaponized it against her. And he's like, I didn't tell her to say that.

00:11:12.340 No, you could, you could see his face. It was, it's almost like, you know, if you have a generator,

00:11:16.340 your house and the power goes off and like everything's dark for a second, then you hear

00:11:19.640 the generator kick on. That's like what it looked like. His eyes all of a sudden opened and he was

00:11:24.540 like, I didn't do that. He got the epinephrine shot. Yeah, no, you're, you're exactly right. That was

00:11:30.560 an amazing, they weaponized it. You mean they reacted to the thing she said and said, gee,

00:11:36.900 that's going to hurt her. She should differentiate herself because he is very unpopular. Weaponizers.

00:11:43.700 I think what's really interesting to me is seeing the way that, so this is an opportunity to talk to

00:11:49.980 Joe Biden, which would be a great get because you could actually ask serious questions because I mean,

00:11:54.520 the American people want to know. Yeah. And their choice is to be like, so because of all your

00:12:00.040 successes, right. And then that like, they're thinking is that, oh, this must've been just

00:12:04.340 sexism and racism at it again. This is why they're stuck where they are as a party. They can't escape

00:12:11.100 the stupid set of ideas that they ran on. And because this wasn't a close election, they got smoked 1.00

00:12:17.060 in every swing state. Trump won the popular vote. This is the worst loss that Democrats have had

00:12:21.420 in a generation, if not beyond that. But they're not turning the page on that.

00:12:26.700 Like when, when you were talking about how, uh, well, uh, they're trying to say it was a campaign

00:12:30.740 of misogyny. The only ad discussing gender. I remember the Trump campaign ran was the effective 0.70

00:12:35.820 one that said that, uh, Kamala's for they, them. Trump is for you. Yeah. That was Trump standing up

00:12:40.700 for women. Right. Right. It was the opposite. Oh, I got to interrupt you. We got white smoke. 0.90

00:12:49.800 Oh, is it pizza ball? Pizza ball. We, please. We got white smoke coming out of the Sistine Chapel

00:13:01.100 chimney signaling. A new Pope has been elected to lead the Catholic church. We didn't hear on SiriusXM.

00:13:08.420 We have firsthand access to data because we have, we are in tight with the Catholics. We know Cardinal

00:13:16.180 Dolan. We know a lot of people around him. I'm going to ask my team to go check out our sources

00:13:21.880 and find out whether we have infiltrated the Sistine Chapel and we can give you an advance

00:13:27.480 word. Oh, it's gotta be the Italian guy. People cry out for pizza ball. They cry for it. 1.00

00:13:36.820 Okay. It's exciting. I like, let's see it to me. It's the basic thing I'm looking for as a Catholic is,

00:13:42.500 are we going to double down on left-wing progressivism in the Pope, like we had with

00:13:47.400 Francis, or we're going to go more traditional with, you know, an actual conservative Pope who's

00:13:52.400 going to uphold Catherine doctrine and in the way that we're used to maybe bring back the Latin mass,

00:13:57.220 get right with the messaging when it comes to a wall and immigration, you know, things like that.

00:14:03.720 Let's find out. We're going to find out very soon. It's exciting. Maybe we'll get you,

00:14:07.260 we'll get you a picture of the white smoke momentarily, but let's go back to, uh, white,

00:14:13.280 white man, old white man, Joe Biden. Um, here he is. Let's see if he's not doing any better on his

00:14:21.640 rambling. Okay. Let's check in and stop 37. I knew it wasn't going to happen right away.

00:14:27.720 That all the projects, the, the, the benefits, how do you lead the world without having the best

00:14:34.580 infrastructure in the world? How do you lead the world without having the best healthcare in the

00:14:37.660 world? How do you lead the world without having the best education in the world? How do you lead

00:14:41.540 the world? And you don't have that done and are all set up to do it. And I last thing I thought

00:14:47.200 what he would do. I thought he'd come along and be smart. I shouldn't say it. I thought he'd come

00:14:53.740 along and say, and say he did it. Look, when you have the lovely lady from North Carolina who talked

00:15:01.520 about me, uh, with such affection, uh, saying Joe Biden did more than anybody did. And so on

00:15:08.440 as a criticism, remember I ran as an ad that was that I thought he'd say, no, we're this. I brought

00:15:19.220 you this. I brought you. I brought you. I brought you this. I brought you. I brought you. I brought

00:15:23.180 you. And we actually, this is a guy who left with the largest deficit any president has added

00:15:29.140 when he was last time president and cut it to choice. What's it all about? Cut all these

00:15:35.400 programs. All right. To quote the great Archie Bunker, his hangers on are the greediest people.

00:15:49.860 They are so greedy. I mean, like, have you not plundered enough? Let the man stay home.

00:15:55.920 Like don't put him out there. He can't handle it. It's how much money do these greedy people need?

00:16:01.720 I mean, they need to line the pockets of the assisted living to let him out. 0.90

00:16:05.600 So Ashbrook touched on it. Smug, you just nailed it. Here's what Halperin said earlier this morning

00:16:11.200 on his YouTube show two way watch. Biden's doing this to fight back or Biden's doing this for his

00:16:17.240 reputation. I talked to a very someone very familiar with the Bidens, and I think they've

00:16:22.960 pointed out something that I'm going to say now that to me is the explanation or at least part of

00:16:27.800 the explanation, which is Biden Inc has collapsed. If all those Biden grandkids had a lavish lifestyle,

00:16:34.720 which they very much liked. Hunter made hundreds of thousands of dollars, millions of dollars.

00:16:40.640 Joe, as a former president, is not in a position to get the same kind of paid speeches,

00:16:44.780 corporate boards, book deal. Biden Inc needs a source of revenue. And Hunter does, even though

00:16:51.800 he was pardoned, he's not going to prison. Hunter does not have great earning capacity.

00:16:55.720 The trough is empty. The spigot has shut down. They need a way to get back in the game to make

00:17:01.240 big money, to have the grandchildren fed and clothed and flown first class, et cetera. 0.94

00:17:08.520 How do you like that one, guys?

00:17:09.900 Mark is very, very smart, but I disagree with him in one key area. He said Hunter doesn't have

00:17:16.220 great earning capacity. The guy is a painter. He's a celebrated artist. And these things sell

00:17:22.980 for hundreds of thousands of dollars, millions of dollars all across New York.

00:17:27.160 I'm sure that'll continue.

00:17:28.740 Certainly that would continue.

00:17:30.720 No, I mean, look, he totally nailed it. This has been true of the Bidens forever. As we've come to

00:17:34.900 find out during the course of his administration, things that we knew when we were in the Senate years and

00:17:38.900 years ago, is Biden Inc. is a very real thing. And they're right. But it's an interesting strategy,

00:17:45.040 right? If they're using him, throwing him back out there to try to reignite interest in the Bidens and

00:17:51.820 restart the power of Biden Inc. to generate cash, you got to say something that is like a little bit

00:17:58.960 interesting, right? If he takes that question about Kamala and he's like, yeah, she wasn't the best

00:18:03.240 candidate. Immediately.

00:18:04.380 Lady, lady in North Carolina.

00:18:06.580 Yeah. The other, the other, the other dynamic that is just over the horizon, there are a bunch

00:18:12.880 of books that are tell all's about how bad Joe Biden was over the last year. And those are going

00:18:17.920 to be coming out over the next six months. And I think that they're trying to get ahead of some of

00:18:21.760 that. What else is about to come out? You guys read it in Politico. They, it looks like the Trump

00:18:27.280 administration is going to release the audio of the, her report where he was deemed a well-meaning

00:18:33.720 elderly man with a poor memory. Couldn't remember when his son Bo died, when he was vice president,

00:18:40.620 that's not going to go well. And they could be trying to get ahead of that as well.

00:18:45.420 Here's a little bit more. Um, speaking of those around him who covered up, um, his infirmity,

00:18:52.240 or at least that's where my mind went. Dr. Jill was there too. And as usual, came to the rescue.

00:18:58.680 Watch SOT 38.

00:19:01.400 What is your response to these allegations or are these sources wrong?

00:19:05.680 They are wrong. There's nothing to sustain that. Um, number one, number two, you know,

00:19:12.120 this is about what, uh, what we're left with. We left with a circumstance where we, uh, we had a

00:19:18.520 insurrection when I started. We, that, not since the civil war, we had a circumstance where we were

00:19:26.100 in a position that we, uh, well, the pandemic because of the incompetence of the last outfit

00:19:32.980 end up over a million people dying, many people dying. And we're also in a situation where we found

00:19:40.080 ourselves, uh, unable to, uh, deal with a lot of just basic issues. And, uh, which I won't go into

00:19:47.620 the interest of time. And so we went to work and we got it done. And, uh, you know, one of the things

00:19:54.840 that, that, well, I'm, well, and Alyssa, you know, one of the things I think is that the people who

00:20:02.400 wrote those books were not in the white house with us and they didn't see how hard Joe worked

00:20:08.820 every single day. I mean, he'd get up, he put in a full day and then at night he would, I'd be in bed,

00:20:17.980 you know, reading my book. And he was still on the phone, reading his briefings, um, working with

00:20:24.640 staff. I mean, it was nonstop. It's the white house being president is not like a job. It's a lifestyle.

00:20:32.380 It's a life that you live. You live it 24 hours a day. That phone can ring at 11 o'clock at night or

00:20:39.800 two in the morning. It's constant. You never leave it. And Joe worked really hard. I think he was a

00:20:47.080 great president. She's filibustering. And if you look at things today. And he turned off. Yep, he did.

00:20:53.660 Yep. If you look at things today, give me Joe Biden anytime.

00:20:57.880 Okay. Wait, can I just say a couple of things about this? First of all, she's, she,

00:21:03.000 she's reminding me of Jordan, Bill Belichick's girlfriend.

00:21:09.020 Those two are the same person in the same relationship in different ways. Um, second of all,

00:21:16.100 she says, none of these people writing the books worked for us. Well, one of the first to have his

00:21:21.560 book hit interviewed Ron Klain, who was Joe Biden's chief of staff for almost all of his presidency.

00:21:29.700 And he went on the record saying that Biden thought he was president of NATO. Weren't we

00:21:36.360 together when that broke? Didn't we talk about this? He thought he was president of NATO and didn't

00:21:41.240 realize he was president of the United States. That is where was that follow up? Ladies of the 0.97

00:21:47.340 view, I must've missed it. There's, there's something just totally absurd about all of this,

00:21:52.980 right? You got Jill Biden stepping in there and saying late night briefings, phone calls while I'm 1.00

00:21:58.920 in bed and I'm reading my book and Joe's still working. Like, let me assure you the youthful vigor

00:22:03.680 of the man who couldn't complete answering this question. Do you know what I'm like? It doesn't

00:22:06.800 make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. The guy, the guy's on this, he's sitting next to you

00:22:10.580 falling asleep. I think it goes back to the same thing we said earlier about with Kamala Harris.

00:22:16.380 I kept replying or kept repeating the line of she's competent. She's competent. She's so

00:22:19.900 qualified. She's so qualified. If you're sitting next to a skeleton nodding off and you're saying,

00:22:24.800 listen, he works so hard. He puts in these long hours. If you have to keep telling people,

00:22:29.220 oh, he's, he's fine. He keeps working these long, hard hours. No one believes it. And every time you

00:22:33.700 say it, they believe it less and less. I mean, none of the women on the view that are sitting there

00:22:38.000 are just kind of like glancing over at him while she's given that stem winder and are like,

00:22:41.720 you know, he kind of looks like hanging on the floor. They can't do a live follow-up. You know,

00:22:47.800 it's not, if you just stay steeped in the news, you could easily say, well, his chief of staff went

00:22:52.840 on the record and said the following. Maybe their producers behind the scenes need to get smarter

00:22:56.720 and just write in the little follow-up. He's, they're likely to say he worked very hard or that

00:23:02.220 none of his staff members wrote these books. Here is your follow-up, you nimrods. But they either 1.00

00:23:07.280 didn't put that down or they didn't know how to execute on it. It's incredibly frustrating

00:23:11.160 to watch. And pro tip for, for Biden's weekend at Bernie's crew who like handled him,

00:23:16.440 have him stop doing that crutch of being like, well, I'm not going to get into it. Everyone's

00:23:20.680 already figured out that's just a crutch because he's already lost his brain.

00:23:23.220 That's dementia. He's got to find another crutch. Yeah. That, in my opinion, that's a clear sign

00:23:30.200 of dementia. I've seen people, I know, struggling with it, use that as like filler. They've lost

00:23:35.760 their train of thought. They don't know what to say next. And so they just, well,

00:23:38.700 I'm not going to get into it. Well, you know, well, nevermind. It's better. I don't say it.

00:23:42.940 And it's like, and Biden was doing that at least for the last year of his presidency. We all saw it

00:23:46.860 many times. Here's one more. There was an act that they did bring up the accusations of hiding

00:23:52.400 his cognitive decline. Here's the good doctor responding. Oh gosh. Naturally, you are your

00:23:59.460 husband's fiercest advocate. She's reading a close advisor that you created around him and kind of

00:24:07.460 limited his interactions with the media and others. Do you think you could have been too

00:24:12.920 close to the situation to objectively gauge whether he could handle a full four more years?

00:24:18.140 I was with Joe day and night. I saw him more than any other person. I went, woke up with him. I went

00:24:24.680 to bed at night with him. So I saw him all throughout the day and I did not create a

00:24:30.720 cocoon around him. I mean, you saw him in the Oval Office. You saw him making speeches. 0.55

00:24:36.020 He wasn't hiding somewhere. I didn't have him, you know, sequestered in some place. I mean,

00:24:41.720 that's ridiculous. 0.96

00:24:45.220 Was that hurtful to you when they were describing you as Lady Macbeth? 0.98

00:24:48.220 Yes. It was very hurtful. It was very hurtful, especially from some of our so-called friends.

00:24:54.160 Yeah.

00:24:55.460 Oh, that's an Obama blast.

00:24:58.280 That is.

00:24:58.900 We're the victim.

00:24:59.700 A hundred percent.

00:25:00.800 Yeah.

00:25:01.780 Yeah.

00:25:01.940 You think that was at the Obamas? I was like,

00:25:03.460 Michelle Obama.

00:25:04.340 Is it Pelosi?

00:25:05.140 Michelle Obama.

00:25:06.120 A hundred percent. That's where that was headed. I just find a whole thing,

00:25:09.900 the strangest deal I've ever seen in my entire life. You've got a former president of the United

00:25:13.540 States who left office, like, I don't know, 120 days ago or so. I mean, he was the head of the

00:25:18.540 most powerful country in the world, the leader of the free world. He's on stage and you're basically

00:25:24.620 asking his care provider how the patient operates, you know, and he's sitting there like De Niro from

00:25:29.920 awakening. It's like, I have absolutely no clue. Like, how can you conceptualize? Like, I know that

00:25:36.140 the people on the view are never in any danger of doing anything smart. I got it. But like, at some

00:25:41.620 point you think you'd build in a scenario of what happens if he just turns off on stage and maybe

00:25:47.540 this is it. It's like, well, you got to get Dr. Jill on there too. Nobody wants to know her opinion

00:25:51.040 about anything, by the way, but you got to get her in there to fill in case the guy, the light

00:25:55.700 switch turns off.

00:25:56.440 It's amazing.

00:25:57.220 Yeah. I just want to echo Megan's sentiment that like these women are extremely dumb because this 1.00

00:26:03.780 should be the easiest interview in the history of interviews that they do. We all live this. 0.99

00:26:07.760 We saw his presidency. We saw the campaign. We saw him drop out. The fact that

00:26:11.580 they have to read from a script about these questions, like they aren't obvious questions

00:26:16.400 that anybody who's on television should be able to say without a script. It's crazy.

00:26:21.240 When she talks about my so-called friends, like, don't you think a follow-up? Like,

00:26:24.540 yeah, let's be specific here.

00:26:26.900 Nancy Pelosi, Barack and Michelle, like who specifically are you thinking about? Let's go

00:26:32.040 through it. Who do you feel betrayed by? Name names. Pelosi did. Pelosi went out there on a book

00:26:36.640 tour. She spoke about this a lot. Why won't like Michelle Obama, they don't like her. So why 0.96

00:26:41.000 wouldn't they? And the view doesn't want to hear it. That's the reason.

00:26:46.100 No, no, they're just a full lib restoration project.

00:26:49.760 I wish we could get someone to on the Democrat side to write the really juicy tell all that

00:26:55.920 everyone, a lot of people in D.C. already know the story about the animosity and the hatred

00:26:59.800 between the Obamas and the Bidens, between how Michelle Obama is like very good friends with

00:27:06.840 Hunter Biden's ex and they helped knife each other up and how Joe Biden has always felt

00:27:12.720 slighted by Barack for telling him, number one, not to run, but also Barack Obama clipped

00:27:17.480 Biden's pride by loaning him money because the Bidens were broke. Like, this is a huge story.

00:27:23.180 If the American people saw... Well, it's so bad that during the Democratic National Convention

00:27:28.480 on Obama night, Biden and Jill went to Milwaukee outside of Chicago because they couldn't be in

00:27:34.980 the same building on the same evening. I mean, that's the story that's worth telling. And you

00:27:39.240 got these four dumbasses that are sitting up there like, tell us about all your successes again. 0.99

00:27:43.700 What makes me so upset about it is it's such a disservice to their audience, right? Like, 0.99

00:27:48.540 it's such a disservice to these Democrats who, like, they're owed the truth, right? They're owed

00:27:53.500 the truth of this because they got embarrassed in November. And if they're ever going to figure

00:27:57.880 out what they're doing as a party, like, you actually have to ask the tough questions. And

00:28:01.780 if they're not going to do that, hey, great for us. We love it. And it's great content. But what a

00:28:06.160 disservice. Like, if you want to know why your ratings are in the toilet, it's because of this.

00:28:10.220 I mean, think about the Republican Party and the right after Romney lost. It turned into a

00:28:15.340 bloodbath of knives and accusations of trying to figure out what happened. And then you got

00:28:20.640 President Trump out of it. Yeah, right. And they're there. They're not doing that at all.

00:28:25.180 Content. Who, by the way, the interesting thing about Trump, of course, he spun the wisdom after

00:28:30.520 Romney, which was we need comprehensive immigration reform. We need a path to citizenship

00:28:35.920 for the illegals. And Trump came out in 15 saying, F all of that. We're not doing any of that. And,

00:28:43.040 you know, that was the beginning of Trump not being beholden to any party dogma,

00:28:47.400 just saying, I see it very differently and I will say it differently and I'm doing it differently.

00:28:52.560 Okay. Speaking of doing things differently, Casey Means is the new Surgeon General nominee,

00:29:00.060 who this audience knows because she's been on the program many times. He pulled Dr. Janet Neshawatt, 0.99

00:29:05.900 who was the sister-in-law of Mike Walls. And my information is that's why she was chosen.

00:29:13.160 I was told that by somebody who is in a position to know. And Trump liked her because he saw her

00:29:17.740 on Fox News. She's beautiful and she goes on Fox and, you know, obviously that gives you a leg up 0.99

00:29:22.120 with the president. But she didn't seem like the right person for the job. First of all, she went to

00:29:29.460 a Caribbean medical school and I'm sorry, but we all know what that means. Um, okay. She couldn't 0.97

00:29:36.180 get into one state side. You don't go to the Caribbean for medical school. If you can get into

00:29:39.800 any med school in the continental 50 United States, that's just how it is. I used to be married to a

00:29:45.420 doctor. Trust me. I know. Um, she ran city MD, which is like, you know, that like urgent care

00:29:53.600 clinic chain, the chain, it's like chain medicine. Okay. So that's not ideal, but fine. Well,

00:29:59.500 let's not get obsessed with credentials. That's what the left does. Um, her real problem was

00:30:04.360 she was pro the masking of children and pushing vaccines for kids under five long past when people

00:30:16.800 like Dr. Marty McCary of Johns Hopkins were writing full op-eds in the wall street journal,

00:30:22.080 opposing these things. Doctors like Vinay Prasad, who just got tapped to join the administration

00:30:27.420 were jumping up and down about the myocarditis that we were seeing in young men. And she was

00:30:32.480 still advocating that it be pushed. So that's why this woman should not have been the surgeon general 1.00

00:30:38.320 pick and why I personally have nothing against her, but I'm glad she's gone. Um, she's going to work

00:30:44.420 for Bobby Kennedy in some way, HHS, whatever. Okay. So now he taps Casey means, which I was like,

00:30:50.740 that's amazing. I'm thrilled. I love Casey means she's at the heart of Maha. She's like one of the

00:30:57.120 creators of Maha. She's one of these functional medicine got gals kind of like the Dr. Mark Hyman 0.98

00:31:03.340 mold. He was on recently. If the audience remembers him who really thinks we've been too focused on

00:31:08.500 these band-aids. We put as temporary fixes on chronic illnesses, as opposed to yes, curing them,

00:31:16.040 but stopping them as opposed to stopping them in the first place. There's this whole group of

00:31:22.560 functional medicine doctors. That's much more interested in looking at how chronic disease

00:31:27.740 is everywhere and trying to change that about our society. So we don't have to focus on cures and

00:31:34.440 treatments, but just wellness efforts. Like do you, does this patient have some sort of Lyme disease

00:31:41.980 that's gone untreated? Is this person living in a mold infested home? Does this person have some sort

00:31:47.620 of autoimmune condition that we need to take a look at? Are they swimming in a toxic stew that we

00:31:52.920 could lower by removing some of the preservative laden food or ultra processed food or seed oils that

00:31:58.900 are ubiquitous in their environment? How can we remind people not to microwave plastic and then eat out of

00:32:05.300 it? Things like that. But like, there are a lot of them that can increase your wellness load.

00:32:10.600 And people like Dr. Casey Means are very focused on that, looking at how we grow the soil that we

00:32:18.220 grow our agriculture in and making sure that these chemicals aren't all over our fruits and vegetables

00:32:24.080 that we give to our kids that we think is quote healthy, right? That we're not eating fish that's

00:32:28.420 laden with mercury. I could keep going like drinking water contaminated with fluoride and chlorine.

00:32:33.740 Um, that's Casey Means is reason to live right now. I was going to do French, but I can't. Um,

00:32:41.700 and so she tells this story very movingly about how she was, I think she, she might've been number

00:32:48.120 one, or she was definitely at the top of her Stanford undergrad class at the very top Stanford

00:32:53.080 undergrad, which is not easy, not easy to get into Stanford. Nevermind finish at the top. Then she

00:32:57.640 goes to Stanford medical school, which is also not easy and finishes at the top there. Then she gets

00:33:03.280 a prestigious ear, nose and throat surgical residency at the university of Oregon. And so

00:33:09.440 she goes up there and is crushing it in her residency. She is within one year of finishing

00:33:15.340 the residency and doing very well. And she says, I cannot do this one minute longer. There was a woman 1.00

00:33:22.680 who came in Casey had to operate on her. She had been in for repeated operations for the same problem

00:33:29.700 if memory serves. And Casey said to herself, what are we doing? We're not helping. We're just

00:33:35.460 churning and burning the same quote fixes on these patients and then spitting them back in out into a

00:33:42.620 process where they will not be educated, helped, nothing around them will change. And she found it too

00:33:48.100 disheartening to continue. And she went in to her attending physician and said, I'm leaving. I'm

00:33:53.520 leaving the program. And he begged her not to, this is in her book and she's given story interviews about

00:33:57.860 it. He begged her not to, and she said, I can't do this. So she left and she started her own practice

00:34:03.040 and to get more into functional medicine and started thinking about the things that would ultimately wind

00:34:08.680 up in the book. Good energy would be at the center of the Maha movement. Her brother,

00:34:13.240 Cali was going through his own evolution and realizations, having worked for Coca-Cola and

00:34:19.020 came out hard as almost like a whistleblower against what companies like that are doing to us

00:34:23.460 with the sugar and the food supply and the snap program and so on. And they've become very important

00:34:28.720 and essential Americans, especially when it comes to Maha. Great. So why is she getting 0.99

00:34:37.840 mercilessly attacked right now by some within the Maha movement and by Laura Loomer, who I don't know

00:34:47.480 if she's in, if she considers herself Maha. And I really don't dismiss Laura Loomer because

00:34:53.440 people call her a conspiracy theorist. She's been right about a lot. Okay. So people need to know

00:35:00.380 that because her, her critics just dismiss her as like some conspiracy theorist. She's been right about

00:35:05.640 a lot and I've watched it myself on this program because I came to her very open-minded. Is she

00:35:10.260 conspiracy theorist? We were all supposedly conspiracy theorists. So what's the story?

00:35:14.640 She's really taking aim at Casey. And I have to say on this one, I really disagree. I disagree

00:35:19.820 strongly because I'm just going to tell you some of the allegations. Okay. Um, she said, hold on,

00:35:26.000 give me a little piece of paper because I wrote, write this stuff down. Okay. She said that Casey means

00:35:33.340 her dad wrote a pro trans children's book back in 2020. Well, he did write a book that was about

00:35:40.300 like a weird, an odd duckling or goose and, um, how it wound up, it basically wound up being gay. 0.72

00:35:47.800 And in the opening to the book, he does say that this is, um, it's about Felix and a unique bird.

00:35:54.400 And he says, um, it's a story for children and adults alike, uh, and says it's, it's for,

00:36:01.580 I'm trying to find the exact quote, but it's about, Oh, coming of age is challenging for most

00:36:05.140 children, but it can be especially tough for those grappling with their gender and sexual identities

00:36:10.580 gender. So he mentions it and the, but I've looked at the book, at least what I can find of it. I have

00:36:16.880 like four pages and it's really about a gay goose. Okay. It's like, it's not really about the trans 0.97

00:36:22.800 issue, even though they mentioned gender. Um, doesn't love a gay goose as a gay goose. Okay. 0.99

00:36:28.480 Whatever. By the way, it's her father. It's not her. Like, I don't. Okay. So like if she had written

00:36:34.800 this, maybe we'd, it would lead to a follow-up question at the hearings. Like what, what do you

00:36:39.120 think about, you know, children grappling with their gender identities? That's really the question,

00:36:44.360 isn't it? What does Casey means think about children wrestling with their gender identities?

00:36:49.180 And I can tell you something guys, because I know Casey means I know her from the many times I've

00:36:54.760 had her on this program and I've talked to her off this program. She is where I am on this. She is not

00:37:02.540 pro the transing of children at all. Her brother, Callie right now is out there calling it demonic.

00:37:08.920 They're very close. She hasn't spoken to it as far as I know publicly, cause I, no one's asked her

00:37:13.560 where everybody's much more focused on like functional health, but she is not going to be

00:37:19.800 in any way, shape or form supportive of puberty blockers for minors, cross sex hormones for minors

00:37:26.740 or surgeries for minors. And if somehow I am proven wrong and I won't be, I will personally lobby the

00:37:34.960 president to fire her. I will personally lobby the president to fire, which I'm not going to have to

00:37:39.320 because I I've spoken to her. I know this is firsthand reporting how she feels about it.

00:37:44.840 Okay. So that's that that's number one. Then she points out Loomer does that. Um, she never completed

00:37:51.740 her residency. That is true. I just gave you the context. She points out she does not even have an

00:37:57.320 active medical license in Oregon. That's true because she decided to stop practicing medicine 0.99

00:38:01.820 a couple of years into her private practice and to do, she has this company now that offers like

00:38:08.580 all day glucose monitoring and explains to people how to read their blood levels when they get their

00:38:15.180 lab tests, test back and so on. It just sort of helps more millions as opposed to like individuals.

00:38:20.640 And I can speak to this as a lawyer. I, I passed the bar in New York, in Illinois and in Massachusetts.

00:38:26.460 Okay. So I, I was admitted in all those States. I practiced at length in New York state, in Chicago,

00:38:32.380 in Washington, DC, for that matter. And I wound up going dormant on all of my law licenses many years

00:38:40.480 into joining, you know, journalism full-time because a it, it costs money and B it's a lot of

00:38:47.280 continuing legal education. And in her case, medical education, a lot it's demanding is a lot of bar fees.

00:38:53.840 There are pains in the ass to maintain. And if you're really not going to be practicing, 0.93

00:38:57.840 it's pointless to do it. She's still a doctor, but she just chose not to stay licensed so that

00:39:02.860 she could actually practice medicine right now. She could get that license back like that.

00:39:06.400 Right. So it's like, and not for nothing, but all the continuing medical education,

00:39:10.240 half of it is pushed by big pharma more than half probably. So it's like, what we're upset.

00:39:14.920 She wouldn't go right back into the system that is corrupting our doctors that we're complaining 1.00

00:39:18.800 about. That actually happens to be her life mission now to combat. It makes no sense.

00:39:22.640 So there's all that. I think that's basically it. I've, I've, I've hit the biggest things.

00:39:27.920 Laura's upset too, that she's a little like out there in some of her spiritual practices.

00:39:35.220 She pulled up her newsletter, Casey Means is where she said, she talked about how these are the things

00:39:42.220 I did to try to tap into the mystical side of evolving my consciousness and being ready for

00:39:48.800 partnership, like looking for a man, which she did find. And she got married. Here are a few.

00:39:53.660 She said, I don't necessarily recommend these, but these were part of my journey.

00:39:57.520 I set up a small meditation shrine in my house. I prayed to photos of my, of my ancestors asking for

00:40:03.340 support of my journey. Uh, I went to weekly group meditations and spiritual lectures in order to tune

00:40:10.000 in with the spirit. I worked with a spiritual medium who helped me try to connect with my spirit guides

00:40:14.600 for support and guidance. I, my therapist who helped me get out of my first marriage wanted me to be

00:40:19.340 doing all this stuff. Like it didn't speak to me personally, but like this is actually like an

00:40:24.160 established lane for people who are struggling, especially in relationships. Uh, I hiked alone and

00:40:28.980 talked literally out loud to the trees, letting them know I was ready for partnership. Um, I pursued

00:40:33.700 visualization techniques, uh, that helped me see my visions for the future. I did plant medicine

00:40:39.100 experiences with trusted guides and wrote extensively about my experience and insights.

00:40:43.840 And she's admitted. And she said in her book, she did psychedelics, which does have a way of making

00:40:49.640 people like feel more connected with mother earth and the universe, whatever, all that's part of her

00:40:54.460 journey. She's been very open about it, but she is. So she's got a little Eastern medicine in there,

00:41:00.140 but she's very Western medicine too, and sees all of its problems, all of its problems. And then you got

00:41:06.120 the hardcore anti-vaxxers who want her to come out and condemn the fact that anyone is still taking

00:41:13.000 the COVID vaccine. I have news for those people. She would be totally unconfirmable, totally

00:41:20.620 unconfirmable. We, he cannot choose somebody who feels that way as controversial as most of us find

00:41:27.760 the vaccine at this point. So that's my take on her. I think she is the antidote to most of the

00:41:36.120 the problems we all see right now in the medical field, in the medical industrial complex. She and

00:41:41.720 her brother, Callie are warriors for revolution within our healthcare system. And I am 110%

00:41:50.360 behind both of them, including Casey means for surgeon general. And like what a, what a brave thing

00:41:57.220 to do to like study your whole life, to get into the medical field. And we all know how hard that is

00:42:02.020 to do, how much it costs, how much time, like you give your entire life to this, all those years of

00:42:06.300 schooling and whatnot. And then find yourself at the end of this process in the medical field,

00:42:13.040 where you're putting band-aids over bullet bowls, you know, in somebody's health problems that are

00:42:19.080 chronic, like the problems people show up at the hospital with very rarely did they just happen like

00:42:25.320 that. Yeah. You know, it took 10 years. So, so, so to witness that on a daily basis,

00:42:29.640 and then be like, I'm going to change my whole life and be an advocate for a broader look at

00:42:35.800 medicine. That's a brave thing to do. Yeah. You know, to step away from the thing that you put your

00:42:40.900 life into, to look at health more holistically. Do I love the woo woo stuff about talking to trees?

00:42:47.200 No, but also like, welcome to the big 10 of MAGA politics. Yeah. Like this is what it is. And that's

00:42:53.460 how Donald Trump became president of the United States. You know, I mean like,

00:42:56.180 there's nothing wrong with being spiritual. Joe Rogan takes ayahuasca. I don't take ayahuasca.

00:43:00.260 I like Joe Rogan. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like that's just- There's nothing wrong. Like if

00:43:03.900 you're spiritual, I know a lot of people are very spiritual and they do things like this. The whole

00:43:09.520 push is like to get more in touch with nature, you know, literally to walk barefoot. That whole

00:43:15.460 touch grass thing is actual. It's real. Like it's called grounding. It's supposed to,

00:43:20.680 according to some, counteract like the nonstop EMFs and radio frequencies that are everywhere.

00:43:27.780 I don't know whether any of that's true, but I have seen support for it from doctors I trust who

00:43:31.900 are more Western medicine based. In any event, just being, even if you don't believe it counteracts,

00:43:37.380 you know, EMF, it's of course good for you to go outside, to smell the air, to see the sunlight,

00:43:44.440 to take in some vitamin D. Like that's kind of what she said. She writes in her book about it when

00:43:49.280 her mom died of pancreatic cancer. And she had spent the last, you know, weeks and months with

00:43:54.180 her, how deeply traumatic it was and how angry it made her at the healthcare system. This was a

00:43:59.380 couple of years after she left the residency because the mother had all the signs that people

00:44:04.180 listening to this may be experiencing right now or the family member, where it was like,

00:44:08.120 oh, your blood pressure is a little high. Why don't you go on, you know,

00:44:12.220 Cristor or some other statin. Okay. No problem. Oh, you know, you're a little overweight. Um,

00:44:18.840 at today they say, go on a Zempick, right. Which wasn't around when she was here. Um, 0.56

00:44:24.340 oh, you've got pre-diabetes, but it's nothing to worry about. You know, we can manage it with

00:44:28.160 these medicines. And then of course it turns into full diabetes. And now you're actually really in

00:44:32.420 trouble and in danger. And ultimately her mom, who'd been on this downward path on her health. 0.99

00:44:38.020 And it's not that the doctors didn't care about her. It's that the whole system is set up to do this,

00:44:42.000 to just medicalize, you know, um, drug respond with like, what's the word? Just, just, just

00:44:48.240 with pharmacy, just respond with pharmacy options. Ultimately she gets pancreatic cancer in her, 0.93

00:44:54.760 I think young seventies. And Casey writes about how when they buried her, they chose to bury her,

00:45:00.600 not in a casket. Like this is the thing you can do at certain cemeteries where like, that's what

00:45:06.980 her mom wanted to be like given, to have your body actually given back to the earth, like true

00:45:11.620 ashes to ashes, dust to dust. And how it's like, you know, like that, that your remains could

00:45:19.020 actually lead to the growth of something beautiful on this earth at some point. I don't think there's

00:45:24.100 anything wrong with that. That's, I applaud having somebody in a position to be a spokesperson that

00:45:30.400 she's not setting, you know, health policy. That's Bobby Kennedy. That's going to be Jade

00:45:34.700 Bhattacharya. Um, it's really the spokesperson for public health, uh, believing in that kind of

00:45:40.720 thing and understanding medicine doesn't have to be totally limited to what comes out of a needle.

00:45:48.240 Yeah. Yeah. I think there's a lot to be said about that. Um, I, I, I had family, uh, who was

00:45:55.300 prescribed. I mean, you name it. They, like you said, the whole story is just so familiar. It's like,

00:45:59.460 okay, you have prediabetes, give them this, give them this, give them this. And then now you're dealing

00:46:03.080 with, uh, all the side effects that, you know, you have an elderly individual who's now on a

00:46:07.340 battery of these medications. It's like, is this truly the best lifestyle that you're affording

00:46:12.060 these people? And how did this become absolute, uh, uh, you just accepted that when you walk into

00:46:19.100 a doctor's office, the notepad is going to be from one pharma company. They're going to have a little

00:46:23.040 clipboard from another pharma company. The pen's going to be from another pharma company. It's like,

00:46:26.420 did I walk in to get health treatment or is this like a NASCAR ad where everyone's got their

00:46:30.560 sticker of who's sponsoring them all over the place? This is, this is how we take care of

00:46:34.480 people. And, and, uh, uh, you know, when you bring up Bobby Kennedy, there was a YouTube video

00:46:38.340 that he put up. Me and my wife saw it about a year ago where he was talking about things like

00:46:42.940 the food colorings that is in so much of our food in America, which is banned in Europe and every

00:46:48.860 Western country, every civilized country on earth has banned all these substances that are being thrown

00:46:52.860 in, in foods that, and drinks that we get that are put on like snap benefits so that now you're

00:46:58.500 poisoning entire group of people you're making kids because poor people, you know, getting them 1.00

00:47:04.420 addicted to these products. And then now you're wondering, why is it that we pay more for healthcare

00:47:09.920 and end up with worse outcomes? We really want to continue this of, of the same people calling the

00:47:14.900 shots, then getting, you know, once they're done with their job, uh, as, as a surgeon general,

00:47:19.740 now they're going to their consultancy with a pharma company. It's like at some point we have to stop

00:47:24.640 and think that this system that we've put in place isn't working for it. It's making things worse

00:47:28.580 and worse, but we should like, we should be able to have both, right? Like we should be able to have

00:47:32.740 like life changing drugs that save people's lives. Like think about like, you know, somebody has a

00:47:39.220 stroke, you know, and they go to the hospital and they can give them a clot buster that clears out

00:47:42.920 the stroke and literally save somebody's life. But like not every medical intervention needs to be a

00:47:48.360 crisis intervention at that last moment, right? Like it's broadening the aperture of what health is

00:47:54.280 in this country and the way we can take care of ourselves to avoid those things.

00:47:57.900 This is sort of the problem with politics, particularly in a modern age where everybody's

00:48:01.900 got a hot take about everything. Like, I just don't think this is this difficult, right? The

00:48:05.540 thing that you just had is absolutely right. We have life-saving medication that comes,

00:48:09.180 happens to come from a pharma medic, uh, uh, operation. Okay. That's a good thing. That's a good

00:48:13.980 thing. Should they control the entire industry health to nuts? No, but like you're a human,

00:48:19.000 you have rational, logical processes that go into any of that. She sounds like a pretty

00:48:23.900 thoughtful lady, you know? So she likes to go outside and wander through the woods. Well, 0.93

00:48:27.920 you know, like I like to have 15 beers and go to the golf course. Like this is normal life stuff.

00:48:34.800 To each his own. Yeah. But like, you know, in terms of whether she is exactly aligned,

00:48:42.520 I mean, her father writing a book, well, I'll wait till she finds it about a family of, of RFK.

00:48:48.880 Hey, really going to hate that. That's a hell of a lot worse than a gay goose. I'll tell you that. 1.00

00:48:54.820 You know, and here's the other thing, like, okay, so she doesn't have the medical license. That's 0.53

00:49:00.300 not, it's not like it got pulled from her, et cetera. Like this is, this is not an issue. Like

00:49:04.640 she doesn't, she's not going to be practicing medicine as surgeon general. The whole point is

00:49:09.060 like, are you qualified to talk about the public health system? And she's beyond qualified and not 0.86

00:49:14.380 for nothing. But the last surgeon general, Vivek Murthy under Obama, and then resurrected again

00:49:21.040 under Joe Biden had perfect credentials. He was double Harvard. He had worked for all the right

00:49:27.420 public service groups, trying to help all these kids around the world with AIDS and HIV and all

00:49:32.240 the things that the left would completely praise. And what did he do as surgeon general? He shoved

00:49:37.640 those vaccines down the throats of the American people and their children. He just like the first 0.98

00:49:45.560 woman Trump nominated, but even worse, pushed masking at every turn, including on children. 1.00

00:49:51.540 He downplayed the risk of myocarditis to teenagers being forced to take their seventh booster.

00:49:57.240 I don't care about his perfect credentials. I would take Casey means over that guy every day of the week. 0.96

00:50:04.140 And there's nothing wrong with her. I mean, honestly, like the, everything that's been raised about her

00:50:09.000 gives me zero pause, zero pause. I listen, I totally agree. You'd be better off having no surgeon general

00:50:15.860 at all than having somebody like the last cat that you just described. I mean, that was a nightmare

00:50:20.380 scenario for the American people and a whole generation of children of which we have a collective sum here

00:50:26.360 on the variety program. But this lady seems really thoughtful. I don't know a lot about her. I, what I do

00:50:32.640 know largely comes from you and your interviews with her, but boy, wouldn't it be nice to have

00:50:37.700 somebody that's just sort of outside the box. And, and by the way, understands that a key component of

00:50:43.060 the Trump coalition was the Maha coalition. Exactly right. And so without Casey, I don't even know if

00:50:48.100 you would have had RFKJ and his endorsement of Trump and so on. All right, we're going to take a

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00:51:54.280 body and fill your best with ancient nutrition. Ah, it's exciting. White smoke coming out of the

00:52:07.580 chimney of the Sistine Chapel and listen to the cheers in St. Peter's Grove.

00:52:21.180 Ah, there are tears. I'm feeling a little emotional. It's a big deal. Gosh, it's a big deal. It's a big

00:52:30.100 deal for the world's 1.4 billion Catholics. And just seeing the emotion in Rome is quite something.

00:52:38.400 Ah, there's some priests doing the sign of the cross. Everyone's holding their arms up to the

00:52:44.240 ceiling or to the sky in thanks and celebration. It's big. I mean, it's big that the leader of the

00:52:50.760 Catholic Church can absolutely change the direction of the church in ways, you know, for the better and 1.00

00:52:57.460 for the worse. And Pope Francis was controversial. You know, the, the truly like deeply religious 0.95

00:53:03.080 observant Catholics were split on him because he was so socially quote progressive. Um, but I will

00:53:10.840 tell you this, I I've said this story, but just the long version is short version is like two years ago.

00:53:17.060 I, I was having sort of a crisis of faith, just wondering like, why do I have to deal with the

00:53:22.260 middleman? We're like, why? You know, like our evangelical friends, they don't, there's no

00:53:26.880 middleman, you know, like that's, this is like a Christian, a uniquely Catholic thing. And, um,

00:53:34.000 yeah, I was thinking about wandering outside of the Catholic church. So I wandered over to a

00:53:39.440 Presbyterian service thinking they're looser. Maybe this is like the place for me where I don't,

00:53:45.460 I don't know. I'll have to investigate. The whole homily was about transing children and how it's

00:53:51.560 good and we needed to support it. How I'm like, and I'm out. The thing about the Catholic church, 1.00

00:53:56.880 even under Pope Francis, who was like the most progressive Pope we've had in my lifetime is

00:54:01.760 they hold the line on the core things that matter to most Catholics, whether it's abortion

00:54:10.020 or transing children. Um, they're not big on gay marriage, something I have attended and support

00:54:19.340 for my friends, but I understand the controversy around it. So there's a very firm, strict moral

00:54:25.900 code. And I have to say, I find that very attractive. I like that. I don't like wishy-washiness

00:54:32.000 like you get if you're a Presbyterian, forgive me. My husband's a Presbyterian, my Presbyterian

00:54:37.500 friends. You know what I'm trying to say? In any event, here they are cheering outside. Uh,

00:54:42.160 and it's amazing guys. Is it not, this is a live feed. Look at the thousands who have poured into

00:54:46.380 St. Peter's square. Now that we know a new Pope was about to be announced. We don't know who it is,

00:54:51.560 but I don't know. Are you guys Catholic? Anybody out there Catholic on my panel down here? Holmes,

00:54:56.880 Holmes had a whole conclave of mom seniors at his wedding. Yeah. A couple of bishops, a couple of

00:55:02.060 bishops. Yeah, no, we did it right. We did it right. But you know, like I was, I thought maybe

00:55:07.140 you were going down the road of just taking a chainsaw at all the denominations. I feel like 0.94

00:55:12.340 we're your guys for that. That's some observation. Episcopalians escaped. Like they're essentially a

00:55:18.580 social club. Oh yeah. And that's, and that's the thing. Now that I say, now that you say that

00:55:23.120 I went Episcopal, I wrongly ripped the Presbyterians. It was the Episcopalians that did the homily on 0.97

00:55:29.000 the trans kids. Yeah. Sorry. Forgive me. I mean, it'd be like AOC delivering, you know, the, the, 0.98

00:55:34.420 the, the Sunday morning sermon at a Episcopalian place. Yes. I love the pageantry of the Catholic

00:55:42.620 church. I love that ceremony. I love the white smoke. I like the, you know, all that stuff is,

00:55:48.440 is great. And then of course there's millions of people around the world that derive great faith

00:55:52.440 and direction from the Catholic church. And that's something to celebrate, even if you don't believe

00:55:57.440 it. Yeah. Ritual and tradition. Right. And I think, you know, Megan said it best, but like a church

00:56:03.100 church that doesn't stand for something with moral clarity is a social club. It's not a church.

00:56:09.840 Ah, good point. Yeah. And I think you could draw a direct causation to the church abandoning those

00:56:15.760 core principles and the lack of attendance, especially with our young people. You got to

00:56:19.840 stand for something and, and people aren't going to rally and fill the pews in your church. If you

00:56:25.540 don't, they just aren't. Plus the other nice feature about being a Catholic is that anytime you do

00:56:31.140 screw up in some, you know, way, you can just go apologize for it basically. And then you get a

00:56:37.180 homework assignment and then like all is clean. So you can feel like pretty good about it afterwards.

00:56:42.280 Well, Protestants, we have that too. We have that too. It doesn't require the homework.

00:56:46.780 There's the healing power of grace, which is something, which I appreciate.

00:56:51.620 You got to give a shout out to the Jews here who just one day of atonement. That's it. One day a 1.00

00:56:57.180 year, just private. It can be done. Like you, you go to temple, but it's kind of between you and your

00:57:01.640 God. That's it. A whole year of sin and sinning forgiven. It's like, it's, you're good.

00:57:07.120 Yeah. It seems like a, like a nice ROI on that, right?

00:57:10.960 You know, you can just kind of turn that around in 24 hours, fresh slate.

00:57:14.560 No. I'm certain you already have, but have you gotten a chance to visit, uh, Vatican city, Megan?

00:57:20.020 Yeah, we were there two years ago and we went on the full tour. We went into the, uh, Sistine

00:57:27.040 chapel. We had like sort of the VIP tour and, uh, it was breathtaking. It was absolutely stunningly

00:57:35.200 breathtaking. And if you don't feel moved, whatever your religion, you don't have a heart. I mean,

00:57:39.400 it's like, hello, there's Michelangelo on the ceiling. And you, you know, think about what it

00:57:44.620 took for him to create these magnificent works in this magnificent place that's so holy and so

00:57:50.180 profound. And, you know, from which billions of lives will be affected potentially, right? That

00:57:56.160 the edicts that come out of the church. And again, I, I don't pretend they don't have a very,

00:58:00.940 I don't know what the word is, um, dark history in more recent years when it comes to the child sex

00:58:08.140 abuse scandal for which they really have never fully, fully like atoned or taken full responsibility.

00:58:15.420 You know, there were so many years of passing the trash. It was awful, but I also don't think

00:58:19.660 that's the real legacy of my church and what they stand for. And I think to Holmes's point,

00:58:25.580 you know, we can forgive our church leaders and how they, they behaved the same way God forgives us.

00:58:32.520 I mean, we have to dig deep to do it. And there are kids today still walking around with those scars,

00:58:38.020 but look, I, just like you don't focus on like your spouse's worst chapter or your kid's worst

00:58:44.200 chapter. That's, that's how I feel about the Catholic church. I don't focus on it.

00:58:48.020 Well, there was a ton of, ton of, ton of reform that was ushered in afterwards. You know,

00:58:52.380 my kid's got a Catholic school and if you want to volunteer as a parent, if you want to volunteer

00:58:57.740 friend, you got to go through a full day of classes. I mean, you can't just show up to a

00:59:02.040 class. I mean, what they've done to try to ensure that that never happens again, I think it's, is

00:59:07.740 impressive. Uh, president Trump weighed in. He's probably disappointed. It wasn't him or Marco

00:59:14.480 Rubio. Um, he said, I saw the smoke, but I haven't seen the Pope. He said on his way out of the white

00:59:20.320 house, uh, just moments ago, uh, here's Buck Sexton weighing in. Yes, there's white smoke from the

00:59:26.020 Vatican, but how long before a Biden appointed judge reverses the conclave's decision?

00:59:33.320 Very good. Well, we'll see. As soon as we have news from the Vatican, we will go there and we

00:59:40.380 will bring you the announcement. Okay. In the meantime, I've got to bring you this. We were

00:59:44.800 on the subject of public health. This is not leading the news on any broadcast, but we have got to talk

00:59:50.520 about what happened over at this lab underneath the HHS umbrella at the Fort Dietrich Integrated

01:00:01.880 Research Facility. That's the name of the lab where they do the riskiest research on our most deadly

01:00:08.400 infectious diseases, COVID, Ebola, all the worst stuff. Okay. You want to work in there. You have to wear

01:00:17.720 the full head to toe hazmat suit. And, uh, you know, it's like a clean room basically, you know,

01:00:24.240 where you touch anything with your bare body and you're seriously in danger of dying. Well,

01:00:30.780 this whole situation I'm about to walk you through reminds me of this scene from the great movie

01:00:37.560 outbreak starring Dustin Hoffman, Renee Russo, and Kevin Spacey who worked in these labs. And then when

01:00:46.760 there was this weird outbreak of this disease, thanks to this monkey, they were working tirelessly

01:00:50.800 to try to figure out, you know, what it was and could they come up with a vaccine? And here's,

01:00:55.480 I'm going to show you the following scene for a reason. Watch.

01:00:58.820 I think a state sanctioned divorce signed by both parties is strong evidence that something was off.

01:01:03.640 Did you talk to her?

01:01:04.280 He's suiting up for the listening audience.

01:01:05.980 Sam, do you know how I've managed to merge friends with the two of you?

01:01:08.500 Oh, because I don't have conversations like this.

01:01:11.320 I'm not asking you to take time.

01:01:12.320 And he's suiting up Dustin Hoffman.

01:01:12.820 She didn't take talks to be mean. She's not a mean person. I'm asking you your opinion.

01:01:16.260 What is this?

01:01:17.960 What?

01:01:18.540 You didn't check your suit. There's a tear in it.

01:01:29.560 Kind of takes your breath away.

01:01:34.580 Okay. And then later he's walking around and sure enough, his suit like rips and that's

01:01:43.220 the end of Kevin Spacey. Okay. So why am I, it's amazing. So why am I talking about this? Because

01:01:53.680 okay, I'm going to go backward. Uh, last week, I think April 30th wired magazine, which is so far

01:02:04.120 left. Drops the story. A research facility within the U S national institutes of health that is tasked

01:02:10.860 with studying Ebola and other deadly infectious diseases has been instructed by the Trump

01:02:15.260 administration's department of health and human services to stop research activities. The research

01:02:21.180 pause is the latest disruption to federal science agencies after HHS secretary, Robert Kennedy announced

01:02:28.260 the, at the end of March, that 10,000 people across the vast federal health agency would lose their

01:02:32.700 jobs, including those at the national institutes of health, FDA and CDC. So wired is basically like

01:02:39.540 they just shut down one of our most important labs studying these deadly infectious diseases. And it's

01:02:47.220 because of Doge and that effort Trump. Okay. Plot twist enter Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who, you know,

01:02:56.940 is now running NIH, who says, Hey, we're not going to believe this. He comes out and says, two weeks ago,

01:03:06.780 I ordered all work to halt at a high biosecurity risk NIH lab located in Frederick, Maryland. I did

01:03:13.860 this because of a serious incident involving biosafety that had occurred in early March,

01:03:18.080 but which did not cross my desk until weeks later. It turns out that a contractor at the lab

01:03:23.840 had deliberately cut a hole in a bio containment suit over a personal dispute with a coworker.

01:03:32.400 Oh my God. Wait. And then the plot thickens more. Fox news reports, according to an HHS official who

01:03:41.500 was willing to speak on the matter under the condition of anonymity, the pause stemmed from

01:03:46.220 a lover spat between researchers at the facility, which resulted in one of the individuals poking

01:03:53.760 holes in the other's personal protective equipment. Oh, that's what you get for fishing off the company

01:03:59.760 pier. Yeah. Unbelievable. That's not like your average workplace. Was there an associated attempted

01:04:08.120 murder charge with that? Yes. I mean, that's what this is. It could wipe out the eastern seaboard. 0.93

01:04:15.320 I mean, like, unbelievable. Like, think about that. They're like, well, if this guy catches Ebola and

01:04:20.820 just spreads it to the major metropolitan areas on the eastern United States, it's still worth it because

01:04:25.980 I was sliding. Right. Like some people get weird magazines delivered to their colleagues or they

01:04:30.880 like get on their email and send an embarrassing email when their computer's unattended. This guy's

01:04:35.200 like, ah, you got Ebola. And then he was willing to send this person out as to your point, like to

01:04:44.100 wander around the world, um, potentially having contracted this disease. They say the individual

01:04:50.300 has since been fired. But again, I think you're right there. I think we should be looking at

01:04:55.720 criminal charges. I think it's that's life in prison. Yeah. It really does sound like attempted

01:05:00.700 murder. Um, yeah. And if an ongoing investigation, um, says Dr. Jay Bhattacharya revealed a pattern,

01:05:09.340 go we have, Oh wait, let's go back to the Pope. He's coming out. It's an American Pope. You guys,

01:05:15.980 it's unbelievable. Robert Francis Prevost, who's going to go as Pope Leon the 14th.

01:05:23.440 And here's what CBS news wrote up about him prior to him being selected of the 266 popes who have led

01:05:30.320 the Catholic church. Not one of them has been from the U S while the relative youth of the nation

01:05:34.280 means fewer than 20 of those men served after the U S declaration of independence. One prominent U S

01:05:38.960 bishop has a possible explanation for the lack of an American leader of the world's Catholics up until

01:05:42.860 now. Robert Barron, he's been on the show. Bishop of the diocese of Minnesota was appointed less than

01:05:47.660 a week ago by president Trump to the new white house commission of religious, religious liberty.

01:05:50.900 However, today he's at the Vatican. Hold on. Let's get to the part about this guy. Barron has spent

01:05:55.620 days speaking with the Cardinals, including the 133 electors tasked with electing the new Pope. He had

01:06:00.520 to be under a certain age in order to vote. Uh, okay. Where does he say this guy he's going through?

01:06:07.720 He's, he's handicapping all of the Americans. Okay. Now he gets to previous one American name 1.00

01:06:15.420 has popped up repeatedly amid the gossip over leading contenders, Cardinal Robert Prevost.

01:06:19.860 He is undoubtedly qualified as the only clear qualifications for the role of pontiff are that

01:06:23.920 they'd be male and Catholic, but emerging on top with the necessary backing of just over two

01:06:28.100 thirds of the voting Cardinal electors will require far more than just eligibility. Originally from

01:06:32.180 Chicago, Prevost is the head of the church's dicastery for bishops. The powerful position means he

01:06:37.240 oversees the selection of new bishops for any Cardinal electors who may be turned off by his

01:06:41.900 American nationality. It's not his only one. He's a dual citizen. Uh, he's also a citizen of Peru

01:06:47.700 where he served for many years. He's seen overall as a centrist on some key social issues. Leo there

01:06:54.840 he's going by Leo, Leo the 14th. Well, um, Prevost is seen overall as a centrist on some key social

01:07:00.400 issues. He is viewed as progressive. He has long embraced marginalized groups, a lot like Francis who

01:07:06.700 champion migrants and the poor. Well, I mean, that's kind of what the Catholic church does, 0.93

01:07:10.480 but also like Pope Francis, the Illinois native opposes ordaining women as deacons. I mean, again,

01:07:16.160 uh, so on that point, he's seen as conservative on church doctrine. All right. Well, that didn't tell

01:07:21.360 us much. That was a lot of work for very little return, but I can't believe it. Uh, Pope Leo the

01:07:27.360 14th and he's an American. I, it's never happened before guys. I mean, here we are with Megan Kelly

01:07:35.380 with a real historic moment for our entire world. It's incredible. An American Pope. And also when

01:07:42.240 Donald Trump is president, we get an American Olympics and American world cup dominance. I

01:07:46.640 mean, America's just back global dominance. We're back. I love it. Well, I can't wait to hear

01:07:53.560 what this means. You know, I don't, I'm not sure about that right up. I just read like being pro

01:08:00.300 poor and pro migrant is kind of right on brand, whether you're a conservative or a progressive 0.97

01:08:05.600 Pope. I mean, that that's, they all are, you're not going to get somebody who's anti poor people

01:08:10.940 or migrants. That's just not the Catholic church in a Catholic religion there. Yeah. Like, sorry, 1.00

01:08:18.360 that's not how it's going to go. And you're definitely not going to find many who want female 1.00

01:08:23.060 priests or popes. So, okay. We need to learn more to figure out more about who this guy is.

01:08:29.900 Chicago. How about that? Chicago for the W you guys by way of Peru. It's crazy. I mean, I feel

01:08:36.420 more than a little underqualified to handicap how this whole thing is, has played out, but it is

01:08:42.500 exciting. I mean, look, we were all told that there was never going to be an American Pope. Like

01:08:48.320 that was just assumed that this would just never happen. The Vatican would never allow it. Here we

01:08:54.620 are. I I'm actually really anxious to hear from him. Yeah. We, we were very focused on the Ruthless 0.99

01:09:00.100 Variety program on pizza Bala. Yeah. Well, cause we loved his name. We loved his name. We didn't

01:09:05.100 anticipate the Chicago deep dish would actually come in. You know? Yeah.

01:09:09.240 You were focused on the wrong deep dish. You're exactly right. It was the wrong pizza. That's

01:09:14.920 exactly right. You listen to the program today. We had a whole bunch of super Mario audio that we

01:09:19.520 played during that too. Yeah. It was your East coast bias. You see? Yeah. That's right. Well,

01:09:24.920 he went to Villanova. It says, what does that play into this? Like, wow. And yeah, I mean,

01:09:30.340 that's analysis I'm getting here. Interesting. Okay. That's amazing. Well, um, I mean,

01:09:36.160 I'm sad that our discussion about the lab attack was, was shortened, but I'm thrilled. We have a

01:09:40.700 new Pope. This is, uh, this is big news for worldwide Catholics. And as we learn more, we'll

01:09:46.700 get it. We're actually trying to get, um, some friends from the Catholic channel to phone in so

01:09:50.220 they can tell us a thing or two about the new Pope. Very important. And when we do, we'll go there.

01:09:55.320 But in the meantime, I'm going to continue forward with the news, which we're probably better at.

01:09:59.280 Let's face it. If you want to go deep on the Pope. Okay. Let's, let's move on.

01:10:06.160 Uh, okay. I mentioned the top of the show. There was this hearing yesterday. It was like by the

01:10:12.120 Doge subcommittee looking into men who play in women's sports. And look, they've had a lot of

01:10:17.940 these kinds of hearings, but this one stood out because of Brandon Gill star rising star in the

01:10:24.960 Republican party. I think he's only 31 years old. He's from Texas. A fun fact. He's married to Dinesh

01:10:30.420 D'Souza's daughter, which is so cool. Um, Dinesh and I go way back and, um, he, he should be the

01:10:38.560 only one doing questioning. I mean, it's really at that level. He's so effective. So he gets this guy

01:10:44.160 who isn't such a jerk of USA fencing, Damien Leffeld L E H F E L D T in front of him yesterday. 0.51

01:10:53.160 Who was one of the witnesses called to testify. And we, we've been covering the story of this 0.95

01:10:57.860 young woman who she walked out. She refused to fence a man in her championship. She had to 1.00

01:11:03.380 sacrifice the potential of the metal. No one, no one cared. Her name was a, I think it was Stephanie

01:11:07.260 Turner. Yeah. Or she got up and she was like, I'm not doing this. It was just this past March.

01:11:11.720 Um, this guy, zero empathy for the Stephanie Turner's of the world. In fact, he's the reason 0.80

01:11:17.820 that she and others like her are having to go through this and sacrifice their medals. He is

01:11:23.200 all in on letting men play in women's sports and very against even parents who raise an objection

01:11:30.800 based on the safety of their daughters. Well, Brandon Gill wasn't having it. Okay. Let's start with,

01:11:37.300 um, yeah. Sot five. I think that parents who don't want their daughters competing against men and 1.00

01:11:47.520 women's sports are whiny. No, sir. You don't. Why did you write that on social media? I've got a 0.98

01:11:54.380 picture here where you posted that. Um, you were allegedly responding to a parent who didn't want

01:12:02.460 their daughter being, uh, being beaten up by men in sports competitions. You said, um, I'm not going

01:12:08.660 to pull her from the sport and write a whiny email announcing my departure. Sir, uh, Mr. Uh,

01:12:14.900 Congressman Jack had asked me about that and want to be crystal clear. That was an inappropriate

01:12:18.920 message. Uh, sir. No, I don't. I don't at all. And in fact, why did you write that on social media?

01:12:27.000 I regret it, sir. I deleted it shortly after posting it. I certainly don't feel that way anymore.

01:12:31.440 And given a lot of the messages that we receive and even conversations that I've had,

01:12:35.380 do you think that parents who don't want their daughters competing against men in sports should

01:12:40.000 be compared to the Ku Klux Klan? No, absolutely not. And I, why did you do that in the message?

01:12:45.940 Why did you do that? That was inappropriate. Yes, sir. Yeah, that you're right. That isn't

01:12:50.720 inappropriate. I'd like to read what you wrote and what you posted on social media. Sir, uh,

01:12:55.040 responding allegedly to a lady who had these concerns. The only wizard that's going to dig

01:13:00.680 you out of the myopic hole you put yourself and your family in is one of the quote, grand wizard

01:13:06.340 variety. Inappropriate, sir. And I acknowledge that I said it and I will commit to never making

01:13:12.140 a message like that again. That, that was in response to a parent, according to you on social

01:13:17.460 media, who had a problem with this. Was this a real email that you were responding to? It was a

01:13:22.140 real email, sir. I did not respond to it and hit. This was a real email. Did, did a, did an actual

01:13:26.660 parent write this or did you write this email? It was written by an actual person claiming to be a

01:13:31.740 parent. They were not a member of our, were you that actual person? No, sir. You were not that

01:13:36.160 actual person, but you staged this, this whole interaction. The response there was, was not real

01:13:41.840 and I, I regret that. Okay. Wow. Oh my Lord. Wow. Here's the thing. First off, Brandon Gale is

01:13:49.360 brilliant. Brilliant. He's, he's the class president for the freshman class, but he's not just brilliant

01:13:55.440 and courageous to be willing to take up these fights. He's methodical. Like he always walks these

01:14:00.340 people straight into a ditch before he body slams them. Well, I mean, I gotta say the Lord has really

01:14:07.080 blessed us in that our enemies are very stupid. You know, like how is it that you're going to answer 1.00

01:14:13.180 that question and be like, no, I don't believe that. When you know, you got to know you're going

01:14:17.020 before the house of representatives, the United States Congress, like they got the details, like

01:14:22.020 they got everything you've ever said. Yeah. But it speaks to how insane these people are,

01:14:28.080 right? That they, they actually are that egotistical that they can actually think they 0.94

01:14:32.840 could lie before the United States house of representatives and they're not going to get 1.00

01:14:36.460 called on their shit. Like that is their whole ideology is just like, these people are just 1.00

01:14:40.880 malignant narcissists. Well, so Duncan, you heard the accusation there. He denied it. But what we're

01:14:46.940 being told is that this guy, again, he's denying it sort of, but he wrote the plaintiff email of I'm

01:14:56.460 pulling my daughter and boys shouldn't complain or compete against girls. And, um, you're putting

01:15:03.940 the needs of 1% above the needs of 50% of speaks volumes. You're a man defending men's rights signed

01:15:08.760 Dorothy. Right. He wrote that. Yeah. It's the email version of the LeBron flop, you know? Yeah. It's

01:15:15.660 like, Oh wait, here it is in Sot 9. Okay. This just so that he could write back his like,

01:15:21.020 screw you, Dorothy. The only wizard you're going to be dealing with is the KKK wizard response just to 0.99

01:15:27.260 make himself look like a tough guy. Here he is confirming that this whole thing was fake. Sot 9.

01:15:35.980 Mr. Layfelt, and I mean this with respect in your capacity as a representative of USA fencing,

01:15:40.540 have you ever impersonated a woman? Uh, no, I have not, sir. Not to my knowledge. I ask because 0.98

01:15:46.000 I understand you have a history of creating fictitious female personas. In one instance,

01:15:50.700 you impersonated a woman named Dorothy and wrote an email to yourself, which you didn't publish on

01:15:55.160 social media for all your followers to see along with your response. Uh, do you want to comment on

01:16:00.140 that? Yeah, I do, sir. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to address that. It was a poor attempt

01:16:04.360 at humor. Uh, it was unbecoming of me as a leader of this organization, uh, to post that as I did.

01:16:10.440 And quite frankly, moving forward, that's not something that's going to happen again. It's

01:16:13.680 unacceptable. And, uh, it's, it's not something that should happen with any human to human

01:16:18.640 interaction period. I mean, this guy, this guy has spent the last, who knows how many years waging

01:16:26.120 a different kind of sword fight and he just got bodied. Like, like, like, let's step back for a second

01:16:32.400 and knowing that all this is going to come out as you're sitting there at the, at the desk,

01:16:36.800 like you are that committed to letting men play in women's sports. Like you could just sit on a 0.91

01:16:42.340 press release and be like, no, we're good. Women just in women's sports and like sweep it under the 1.00

01:16:47.020 rug. But to, to, to sit there and put yourself through this entire process is an insane proposition.

01:16:54.260 One of my favorite little parts of those deals is right about when you're going to get massacred

01:16:59.180 against these hearings when you're like, well, thank you. I appreciate the opportunity to discuss

01:17:04.660 the most humiliating things that I've done. I'd love to get kicked in the groin on national 0.99

01:17:08.660 television. And the fact that it's part of a congressional record forever is great. 0.98

01:17:13.540 Let's watch more. Um, SOT 6.

01:17:17.800 Are you okay with cis females being at a disadvantage? 0.98

01:17:22.080 If their competitor, assuming that you're talking about,

01:17:25.140 it's a yes or no question that they've met the requirements set forth in the policy.

01:17:29.240 Why did you post on social media for the world to see? You were asked in an, in an anonymous

01:17:36.400 question, which you posted online, are you okay with cis females being at a disadvantage? You said,

01:17:41.660 yeah. Yeah, I believe it was a Congressman cloud that had asked me about that, sir. And I'm happy to

01:17:46.280 address it again. Uh, that was a one word answer to a more nuanced topic. And I feel like if I could

01:17:52.160 take it back and expound a little bit more than what I had reclaiming my time, reclaiming my time.

01:17:57.340 Yeah, here it is. He's got it right here. He posted, send me anonymous messages. And the question

01:18:02.700 is, are you okay with cis females being at a disadvantage? And again, I mean, we probably 1.00

01:18:06.600 posted that question to himself again. And he responds, yeah. In big letters. Yeah. He's fine.

01:18:13.160 He doesn't, the guy doesn't give a shit. And by the way, he wasn't disavowing that position 0.99

01:18:17.420 yesterday. He was wiggling on his most smarmy, like articulations of it, but he was not disavowing

01:18:23.920 his position that men should be playing against women. I'll give you one more. Um, slot seven. 0.98

01:18:30.080 I'm just asking you yes or no. Do you think men should be allowed in women's locker rooms? 1.00

01:18:33.680 I don't have a personal opinion. You don't have a person. You have a personal opinion on a lot of

01:18:37.440 things, but not on that. I'm sure. I mean, it's, it's a locker room is not really an area where

01:18:42.880 people interact. So the answer is yes. I don't really have a men should be allowed to share

01:18:46.620 showers with women in athletic facilities. I think that showering is a private activity and that, 1.00

01:18:52.480 uh, it should be private and it should be private. There's oftentimes communal showers. Are you okay

01:18:57.780 with men showering with women? I don't have an opinion on that in the context of us. I don't 1.00

01:19:02.620 interesting. That's a, that's an astounding thing to not have an opinion on. I think those normal

01:19:07.440 people have an opinion on that. He's so good. He doesn't, he doesn't let them off the hook,

01:19:15.160 right? Like, yes, he goes right to, right. Like even your lie to me, we all know he has an opinion

01:19:21.000 and that he's totally fine with it, but he Gil accepts his lie and then exposes how absurd the

01:19:27.960 lie position is. Exactly. He lets him dig his own grave. That's what I love about the way he does

01:19:33.020 this entire interrogation. He's not going to let him get an escape hatch and then be like, all right,

01:19:37.320 well, we're going to move on to something else. It's like, no, it's actually super weird. Most normal

01:19:41.500 people have an opinion about communal showers between men and women, you know?

01:19:46.580 Here's one more is this will not surprise any of you. Watch this last one and then I'll give it to

01:19:50.860 you smug. Uh, side eight. You think inclusivity presumably is a big part of, of the fencing

01:19:57.740 community. Is that right? I would say so, sir. We're a very welcoming community and I'm proud.

01:20:02.120 Are you welcoming to Trump supporters? Absolutely. Absolutely. Then why did you with your,

01:20:06.940 in your Facebook page from the fencing coach, right? Imagine being one of 71 million people

01:20:13.760 dumb enough to vote, uh, reelection for a treasonous clown who's permanently banned from 1.00

01:20:18.800 Twitter for inciting an insurrection. You mad MAGA bros. I acknowledge that I stated that in my 1.00

01:20:25.660 personal capacity, sir, however, as chair, that was from the fencing coach. I have to acknowledge that

01:20:31.280 77 million people voted for him in reelection. That wasn't your personal capacity. That was from

01:20:36.540 your capacity as quote, the fencing coach online. Yes, that is. That is my blog, sir. That's my

01:20:42.060 publication. And I acknowledge writing that. Okay. Is it, is it any wonder that this poor girl,

01:20:50.700 Stephanie Turner was faced with this situation? Let's run the video of her at this USA fencing event,

01:20:57.160 March of 2025. She handled it very gracefully. She saw that it was a male. Can we run the VO?

01:21:03.160 Um, she saw that it was male and she got up and said, no, she said, I mean, you don't know

01:21:08.560 disrespect, but you are a male and I'm not, I'm not going to compete against you. Here she was

01:21:14.600 giving it all up. Look at this. This woman trained countless hours over the course of her life, 0.94

01:21:21.440 years and years of practice and dedication and other opportunities missed. And it all came down to

01:21:26.200 this. And she chose not to fence because her opponent was a male, was a male. And this guy,

01:21:34.720 Damian Leffield, who is the head of USA fencing is to blame as are all the board members of USA

01:21:42.720 fencing who are allowing this. All we need is two thirds of them to fire this guy. And we might be

01:21:50.120 able to start a new, but from what I'm gleaning, they all need to be fired to anybody that would leave 0.99

01:21:55.060 this absolute moron in charge of this organization as public as he's been all over social media with 0.99

01:22:00.140 these positions. They, they, they're complicit. They, they share the ideology that seems very 1.00

01:22:04.760 clear. And it took this young active, you know, this young woman, an act of courage, Stephanie

01:22:10.620 Turner to really turn our attention to what was happening in this, you know, relatively obscure

01:22:16.180 sport. It's very important to those who do it, but it's not like NFL football. We don't

01:22:19.820 focus on fencing that much, but it's just as wrong.

01:22:24.900 And the thing is that I remember seeing that video and I was so enraged because you saw the

01:22:28.940 guy who was, who was trying to, to, to compete against her walk over and be like, why aren't

01:22:34.120 you competing? Just this, this is unfair to me because like, there was this horrific period of

01:22:38.800 time that we're starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel of where there was this social

01:22:42.220 pressure of, you have to bow down to this insanity. Don't trust your lying eyes. It's totally normal 0.97

01:22:48.340 that a guy wants to compete with women. And if you don't agree with that, you're a bigot.

01:22:51.840 And then the, the, the, the thing that was at the center of all of this, now Brandon 0.99

01:22:55.360 Yale did a great job of exposing and making so clear with that idiot who he was, who was 0.94

01:22:59.900 exam cross-examining is it was all about this whole kind of like a virtue signaling of putting 0.99

01:23:07.400 these posts out there. Even if you're creating the email to yourself, to virtue, I'm a good

01:23:12.400 person. Look at me. I'm with this new movement. I support the thing, you know, of like,

01:23:16.440 look how good I am of making himself look like a clown.

01:23:20.040 But do you, like, I, I'm not even sure it's an ideology anymore. Like if you look at some

01:23:23.520 of those posts and you know, like the one that Brandon Gill was, was pointing out about,

01:23:27.960 um, are you okay with cis women being at a disadvantage? Yeah, it's just misogyny. 1.00

01:23:33.620 I think they actually just hate, and I'm curious, Megan, your perspective on this. Like,

01:23:38.020 I don't, I'm not even sure it's an ideology anymore. I think they actually just hate women. 1.00

01:23:41.260 They're like the OG misogynist. 0.99

01:23:43.120 I think they actually are just misogynist. Yeah. No, I agree. I agree. Because they're

01:23:47.120 really, they don't care about women's rights at all. They want men to be in a position to hurt 1.00

01:23:50.660 them. Like who would back that other than someone who has deep loathing of women? And,

01:23:56.240 you know, they're not alone. This, this was, oh my God, this is infuriating. The Women's 1.00

01:24:00.820 Law Center, which do not, do not be fooled by the name. Um, they decide this woman, Fatima

01:24:10.020 Gross or Goss Graves, who was there. She is the president of the National Women's Law Center

01:24:15.960 Action Fund and the co-founder of Time's Up. Red flag. There we go. Right? There we go. Yeah.

01:24:24.020 So her foundation bio says she's an attorney who has spent her career fighting to advance the

01:24:29.260 opportunities for women's and women and girls. She issued a blistering statement after Trump's

01:24:35.700 executive order, keeping men out of women's sports, which was a thing of beauty. And she 1.00

01:24:40.120 goes on as follows. This executive order is another attempt to bully trans people, including 0.54

01:24:44.460 children, and misuse the government to enforce sexist gender roles. Sexist gender roles? What are

01:24:50.060 you saying? It's biological roles. That's what we're talking about. President Trump's actions are

01:24:57.240 cruel, blatant attempts to eviscerate safe, affirming, and equitable schools. A right that every

01:25:01.920 student deserves, including transgender youth. How is this pro woman? You, you are the CEO of the

01:25:07.800 National Women's Law Center and all she gives a damn about is the men pretending to be us. 1.00

01:25:14.900 It's incredible. I mean, the mental gymnastics, it's, it almost is a mental illness at this point. 0.93

01:25:19.740 If you've come to this, it's either that, or they like the fencing guy heard a lot about sword

01:25:24.240 fighting, had a very different connotation than what it was that he was trying to manage there.

01:25:28.640 I don't think he'd be good at that either. Oh, I love you. Getting that from MK. Oh my gosh. That

01:25:37.940 might, that just cuts the court. I hope he hears it. Yeah. I hope he does too, but you're, you're

01:25:43.960 right. I mean, this is modern day misogyny. It just is what it is. You know, you don't go back to

01:25:50.440 like the progressive left sort of supportive women or, you know, all the work and the blood,

01:25:55.940 sweat and tears went into title nine and all the people associated with that. Then now take a

01:26:01.540 leftist position that like, now it's totally cool. If dudes can just, you know, completely crush you 0.84

01:26:08.120 and all these various athletic, it's nuts. It's, it's a crazy thing. And then they use these worm

01:26:12.200 words of like, it's safe. Right. And it's affirming. Right. And it's equitable. Yeah. So they have coded

01:26:17.080 all of this. Affirming is such an interesting word. Yeah. It's so dangerous. It's not safe for the

01:26:21.560 girls. You're going to die if you don't do what we say. Yeah. Yeah. Safe for who? Not that girl who 1.00

01:26:25.020 got the volleyball slammed into her face. So that moron who I just read from, she gave testimony at 1.00

01:26:30.800 this event yesterday and they asked her, somebody asked her about Peyton McNabb, who was also there. 1.00

01:26:35.320 The, the girl who, when she was 17, suffered brain damage after the ball was spiked so hard.

01:26:41.180 Yeah, exactly. So this woman who I just read from women's law center was asked about Peyton McNabb and 0.98

01:26:47.020 watch this. Was Peyton McNabb safe on September 1st of, of 2022? It sounds like she definitely

01:26:55.740 wasn't. It was tragic. I would argue though, that the answer is to ensure that people can't spike

01:27:02.360 volleyballs into people's heads. That seems unsafe. Oh my God. It's just no idea what the sport is.

01:27:09.380 What is she talking about? I would argue that there should be no ball at all. We should also get rid

01:27:14.240 of baskets in basketball. Yep. I mean, that's literally, this woman is an idiot, an idiot. 1.00

01:27:23.140 Is it any wonder like Time's Up rejected the claims of Tara Reid against Joe Biden, right? Like you've got 1.00

01:27:28.680 people like that running these organizations. It's no wonder, they're just absolutely stupid 1.00

01:27:34.860 partisan hacks. Like this is the woman that they just made a statue of in Times Square. It's literally 1.00

01:27:42.380 that woman. I'm sorry, but that, that's her. Like, that's the thing. It's like overweight. 1.00

01:27:48.300 They're so twisted and committed to this insane ideology. They want everything in the world to 0.67

01:27:55.380 change, to conform to their ideology of like, well, maybe they shouldn't have had a volleyball in the

01:28:01.080 volleyball match. I think that's the problem. Yeah. What? It's dangerous. We're just saying

01:28:05.300 maybe men should compete in women's sports. What are you saying that just take the volleyball away 1.00

01:28:08.780 wouldn't have happened? Like what is wrong with you? In fact, I think sport is barbaric. And if you

01:28:13.880 all just sat around with me and looked at seance candles for the rest of the afternoon, I think you'd

01:28:17.500 be perfectly sane. I think this woman would do a lot better if she listened to it. If she looked at a 0.99

01:28:22.680 seance candle, she might do better. I don't know. Like there's something wrong with that person.

01:28:26.140 What an idiot. Okay. Sorry. I got to take a break. We'll be right back. Don't go away. Let me tell you 1.00

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01:31:26.200 The world has a new Pope. Well, technically the Catholic church has a new Pope and American,

01:31:31.360 believe it or not, for the first time in history, Cardinal Robert Francis Prevost of Chicago

01:31:36.900 will now be known as Pope Leo XIV. From what we know so far, although American, Pope Leo spent most

01:31:43.700 of his life outside of the U.S., including two decades in Peru. There, he became a bishop and

01:31:48.800 a naturalized citizen. According to the New York Times, Leo speaks Italiano and also Spanish, but not

01:31:54.100 English. What? It is unclear where he will stand on progressive issues like same-sex couples,

01:32:01.040 transgender Catholics, among other things. In his opening remarks, Pope Leo called for the need to

01:32:07.080 build bridges. Here to discuss this historic moment is Gus Lloyd. He is a lifelong Catholic and host of

01:32:13.140 Seize the Day on SiriusXM Catholic channel. Gus, welcome. So what do we know about this new Pope?

01:32:18.680 Very little. You know, it's interesting, Megan, because in the big list of Popabile, the people

01:32:26.620 that had a chance at being Pope, he was near the bottom of the list. And it's very much like

01:32:31.540 Bergoglio, like Pope Francis in 2013. You know, he was rather unexpected. So this is a very unexpected

01:32:38.120 pick. And I think the world is just now learning about Pope Leo XIV.

01:32:42.960 Okay. I am seeing some chatter online. He had a Twitter account as a cardinal, you know,

01:32:51.840 prior to this momentous elevation. And he recently, on February 3rd, tweeted something at J.D. Vance.

01:33:00.980 J.D. Vance had in January said something like, look, the way you're supposed to do life is you love

01:33:07.460 your family, your God, your community, and then your world, you know, your country, and then your world

01:33:12.520 last sort of. And this now Pope tweeted, J.D. Vance is wrong. Jesus doesn't ask us to rank our love for

01:33:20.820 others. He was actually tweeting an article that had that headline, but he adopted it. So I got to

01:33:27.300 tell you, Gus, this concerns me a little. Your thoughts? Well, in what way? What way does it concern

01:33:33.040 you? Well, that he's adding J.D. Vance, like he's taking on J.D. Vance about something J.D. said on the

01:33:42.140 order in which you love people and that the, you know, sort of end community would be placed last

01:33:47.740 after one's family and one's God and one's country. Like that's, that's something that you could argue

01:33:54.440 is true even in scripture. And it's certainly true within the Republican party. Yeah. Well,

01:33:58.720 the ordo amora. So let me just say a couple of things. Number one, a Pope has to be the Pope of

01:34:05.660 the whole world. And, you know, as Americans, especially we get zeroed in on politics and we

01:34:10.980 think in terms of conservative and progressive, et cetera, et cetera. So, you know, I think we need

01:34:16.360 to give this time to play out to see, but in general, Megan, I would say that, you know, he's kind of a Pope

01:34:22.200 Francis guy, if you will, probably is not going to be as off the cuff as Pope Francis was. But I think

01:34:28.820 generally speaking, he's probably going to bring the church in the direction that Pope Francis

01:34:34.100 started. Now, what, you know, what that means as far as conservative progressive, uh, that's

01:34:39.320 anybody's guess right now, but that's probably where we are right now. There's, um, we're getting

01:34:45.740 more. Okay. Uh, John Favreau who worked for Obama tweets out an American Pope who fights with JD Vance

01:34:52.600 on Twitter. I am so in, and they have, um, a repost by this guy of somebody else who posted as Trump

01:35:01.200 and Bukele use the oval to advance. I think the, it's a emoji, the feds illicit deportation of a U S

01:35:09.720 resident once upon an undocked Salvadoran himself. Now DC, I can't read this. Do you not see the

01:35:18.540 suffering? Is your conscience not disturbed? How can you stay quiet? So this guy seems right in

01:35:24.380 line with Pope Francis from what I'm reading here, Gus, very anti the Trump Vance immigration policies

01:35:30.980 and, you know, anti wall, notwithstanding the one around the Vatican, et cetera.

01:35:35.640 Yeah. Well, again, again, you know, I think we're going to have to wait and see how this all plays

01:35:40.520 out. Uh, being a Pope Francis guy, you know, Pope Francis named him a Cardinal in 23. So he is a Pope

01:35:48.280 Francis guy. And again, Megan, we have to really let this play out and see how all of this is going

01:35:53.940 to look in due time and, and it will work itself out in due time. Okay. Well, let's focus on the fact

01:36:00.480 that he's an American and I guess that's a plus. It's kind of exciting. Um, and we'll give him a

01:36:06.640 chance and see what he does as Pope and how he sees church doctrine. Gus Lloyd. Thank you.

01:36:12.680 So welcome. Thanks, Megan.

01:36:16.120 The fellas are still here. Gus actually knew what he was talking about. He was like citing,

01:36:21.180 you know, church doctrine, but, um, I, me, I remain concerned. Anyone else?

01:36:25.840 I, so I share your concerns. I did some research and I looked at some of his writing and there's a

01:36:31.300 quote where he says that colonial ideologies have caused us to think in binaries. That's concerning

01:36:37.120 in hierarchies. Right. And, and, and the, the issue is, and, and I think, uh, you talked with Gus about

01:36:43.180 this is, uh, you know, ranking our love or, I mean, that's that, I mean, that's a way that every

01:36:49.520 family operates. Like my first obligation is to my family. That is a duty that I have.

01:36:53.800 I love everyone, but come on, you have to rank it. My kids are going to get the college fund,

01:37:00.080 not some randos in Libya. But if he's talking about the suffering of El Salvadorian gang members,

01:37:07.160 he's ranking something there because I think about the suffering of Kate Steinle's family.

01:37:11.740 I think about the suffering of Lake and Riley's family. These are people who were hurt by these

01:37:16.540 policies. So there are a whole lot more people affected than just one group.

01:37:20.140 I'm going to take a very brave position of not being excommunicated here on the,

01:37:24.360 uh, day of election of a Pope. And so I will tip my cap, wish him luck and, uh, hope all goes well.

01:37:31.720 He's just a Catholic school boy. All right, guys, that was the weirdest episode we've ever done 1.00

01:37:37.920 together. I appreciate you guys being here for it. And hope to see you soon. Lots of love guys.

01:37:43.700 Wow. Okay. What a day here on the make it Megan Kelly show. We did the Pope. We did the weird lab

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The Megyn Kelly Show - May 08, 2025

Vatican Selects American Pope, Joe Biden's ＂TORTUROUS＂ Sit Down with The View, and More with Ruthless Pod ｜ Ep. 1068

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