The Megyn Kelly Show - Vetting Kamala and VP Options, Olympics Boxing Gaslighting, and Trump Lawfare Update, with Glenn Beck, Mark Halperin, and John Lauro

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.820 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. We have a packed show for you today.

00:00:16.540 Later, we have an exclusive interview with former President Trump's lawyer, John Lauro,

00:00:20.800 to go through some crucial updates in the D.C. case against him, which has just resumed and Judge

00:00:27.200 Chetkin seems ready to go, notwithstanding this immunity ruling from the Supreme Court that said

00:00:32.820 he's got immunity for many of the acts he's accused of in that case. We'll get into it.

00:00:37.760 And we're also going to get into the absolutely disgusting gaslighting the media is doing to us

00:00:44.800 over these Olympic boxers. This is so effed up. They're male. Do not let anyone tell you anything

00:00:53.580 different. They're male. And the IOC and its media enablers are running cover for that fact

00:01:01.860 out of, quote, inclusion concerns. Their inclusion means men get to punch women in the face for

00:01:09.240 entertainment. That's what's happening in Paris. I will get to that in just a bit. We're going to

00:01:14.900 start with some politics and with the economy, which is a hot mess at the moment. And we're going

00:01:21.500 to get to more of that with Glenn Beck. But it's coming. All right. Because I've been spending the

00:01:25.680 week trying to correct the record on this. People are just out of their minds. We start

00:01:31.460 with a bigger picture. And that's the latest in 2024 politics. Vice President Kamala Harris

00:01:35.860 now down to the wire on her VP pick. We think it's going to happen any minute now. And she's expected

00:01:41.540 to begin campaigning with this person tomorrow in Philadelphia. Does that mean it's going to be

00:01:46.780 Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro? He is Jewish. And as a result of all the Jewishness continues to

00:01:54.540 be the focus of attacks, because in the Democrat Party now that's controversial. The very fact that

00:02:00.040 you're Jewish could be held against you. Now they've gone back to pull his college writings when he was

00:02:06.840 20 years old. And they're unhappy that he said things like, I don't think peace is ever really going

00:02:13.500 to be possible there. Oh, was he wrong? It's so peaceful right now. We've got a campaign against

00:02:20.900 him right now from some progressive groups that's called No Genocide Josh. Why? What's the evidence

00:02:26.720 that he's pro-genocide? It's that he didn't like when a Jewish store was specifically targeted in New York

00:02:37.020 City by these rabid protesters following Israel's response. He didn't think it was right to target

00:02:43.000 some American Jewish deli. So that makes him pro-genocide. And he also said the protests on

00:02:50.080 campus at UPenn had gone too far. Didn't that lady get fired for not controlling the protests on her

00:02:55.900 camp? Like, okay. I mean, look, I'm not in the business of shilling for Josh Shapiro, but just so

00:03:00.600 you know, that's the guy they're calling No Genocide Josh. That's where the Democrat Party is right now.

00:03:04.060 Plus, we had new bombshell reporting over the weekend, first broken by the Daily Mail, I believe,

00:03:09.280 on second gentleman Doug Emhoff and his affair during his first marriage. Not to Kamala. There

00:03:14.620 was a woman before her. And it's very interesting. Normally, honestly, I could be honest. I don't

00:03:18.920 really give a shit about Doug Emhoff's first marriage or what happened between these two who wound up

00:03:24.360 friends. What I do care about is his preaching and lecturing to the rest of us on what it means to be

00:03:30.440 toxically masculine and how he's going to be the spokesman to undo that. Is it toxic masculinity

00:03:38.040 to F around on your first wife with your children's nanny and then get her pregnant?

00:03:45.180 Because that seems more toxic to me than some of the things he might call that.

00:03:50.660 What does it all mean for the Harris candidacy? We begin today with Mark Halperin. He's founder of

00:03:54.860 Wide World of News, Substack, and he's been working his sources all morning to try to break

00:04:00.340 some news right here, just like he's been doing for weeks now. Some big, big scoops by Mark.

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00:05:05.340 gcu.edu. Mark, welcome back to the show. What a crazy time in our political landscape. And the big

00:05:15.260 search is on. And, you know, for the VP, we understand she met with the final four contenders,

00:05:20.640 Kamala did, and was, had at least some suggestion made to her by her staff, or at least they were

00:05:26.660 edging closer to it. And you have been closer to this reporting than anybody. So what can you tell

00:05:30.900 us? Megan, good to be back. Look, picking a running mate is a fraught situation for anybody,

00:05:35.120 but consider the circumstances under which this person, who is historically not a great decision

00:05:39.800 maker, and particularly not a great decision maker under pressure, is making the decision.

00:05:44.180 Number one, the economy around the world now is in peril. Number two, Iran could strike Israel today.

00:05:49.500 Those are substantive issues that this vice president, she's got to be at least somewhat

00:05:53.080 involved in. But obviously, the political implications of those could be huge. Next,

00:05:57.560 she's doing all this on an accelerated timeline. The process is filled with landmines because they're

00:06:03.560 vetting these people quickly. And lastly, she's doing it on a weekend when something extremely personal

00:06:08.140 was exposed about her husband. And when top Democrats tell me that the big story here is not will

00:06:15.720 they get the vetting right on the vice president. But have they sufficiently vetted their accidental

00:06:19.720 presidential nominee? People make the mistake all the time of saying, you've been governor of Texas,

00:06:24.740 you've been governor of Arkansas, you've been vice president. Of course, you've been vetted. Of

00:06:28.340 course, your background is clean now. Everything that's going to come out will come out. It's just

00:06:32.500 not the case. And we've seen examples of this with George W. Bush when he ran for president,

00:06:36.780 Bill Clinton when he ran for president. And there's concern that no one's looked enough into her

00:06:41.300 background to say with 90 days to go, could one disclosure that wouldn't hurt Donald Trump,

00:06:46.780 because Donald Trump and Bill Clinton play by different rules, would one disclosure threaten

00:06:50.600 to have an endgame surprise that could cost them the White House? Whoa, that's significant. So there

00:06:58.740 could be something on Kamala Harris that would be problematic to her campaign. Forget the VP for a

00:07:05.020 second. Well, so it could be problematic because the public would say we don't like that.

00:07:10.000 But that's less likely. Look at what happened this weekend, right? Is it kind of crazy that the first

00:07:15.540 gentleman who's one of the most visible vice presidential spouses in American history,

00:07:19.280 this story never came out until now, right? That's kind of weird. What prompted it to come out?

00:07:24.940 So are we saying that nothing else that the vice president or her husband ever did,

00:07:29.480 ever did, which didn't come out before might come out now? I just, that defies history,

00:07:34.420 defies what just happened this weekend. She's not a great decision maker. Bill Clinton and Donald Trump,

00:07:39.140 both before they were president and after they were elected, shamelessly survived things that no mortal

00:07:45.060 politician could. They have no shame. They're brilliant at fighting back. The press treats

00:07:50.580 them differently. You could take the exact same hypothetical story about Donald Trump disclosure.

00:07:55.880 He stole a million dollars from a library and put that on Kamala Harris. It wouldn't be covered the

00:08:01.960 same way because Trump has done everything, right? Trump has already been accused of everything.

00:08:06.620 It's priced into the stock. She's not very well known despite being vice president and she's in

00:08:12.920 danger of more disclosure. And again, she's not great under pressure historically. And she's not

00:08:19.400 the kind of person who's lived her life in a fishbowl the way Donald Trump has well before he ran for

00:08:23.980 office. She's really a relatively private person because they're vetting her at the same time as

00:08:29.640 they're vetting the VP nominee, not because they want anything, but because they know the Republicans

00:08:33.880 are doing the same thing. I don't know. I hear mixed things about whether they're doing it.

00:08:38.000 What I hear a concern is, hey, we're vetting all these people to put on the ticket, right? But that's

00:08:43.640 not necessarily what could bring the ticket down. What could bring the ticket down is insufficient

00:08:47.500 vetting of the top of the ticket rather than the insufficient vetting of the running mate. Because

00:08:51.720 again, as is evidenced by the fact that Kamala Harris was a candidate for vice president, they say,

00:08:57.680 hey, I don't have confirmation of this. And I don't really like when reporters just take it as

00:09:01.800 truth. They say, the campaign does, that this was disclosed to the Biden campaign in 2000 as part of

00:09:07.900 her vetting. Wasn't publicly disclosed, but that they disclosed it to the campaign. Maybe they did,

00:09:12.700 maybe they didn't. But this was not something that was pushed into the public realm when she ran for

00:09:17.700 vice president, right? This could have been a story four years ago and it happened already. And yet it

00:09:21.880 wasn't. And so what some people are saying is, do we need to make sure there's, because remember,

00:09:27.080 she didn't run for the nomination. Often stuff gets pushed out in the competitive party fight for

00:09:32.180 the nomination. That's where we learned about Bill Clinton, for instance, dodging the draft

00:09:36.460 and about Jennifer Flowers. That happened in the context of a competitive democratic primary where

00:09:41.500 the press and the opponents of that person look into it, whether they're Republicans or Democrats.

00:09:45.940 She didn't have that. She became the nominee in about 12 hours. No primaries, no caucuses,

00:09:50.640 no competitive process. That means that even though she was vice president and vetted for that,

00:09:55.260 even though she ran for vice president, we're dealing with a different standard here.

00:09:58.760 And when people say to me, as some have, well, that's hypothetical. It's not. It happened this

00:10:02.900 weekend. We learned something pretty big this weekend that we never knew before.

00:10:07.640 I mean, it is pretty big. And I mentioned this in the intro. I'm generally of the view at this point

00:10:13.000 in life, like this is two marriages removed for the guy. He gets along with the ex-wife that whatever

00:10:18.140 happened between them, it's been forgiven. Okay. That's human frailty and a very bad decision on his part.

00:10:25.260 However, this is the thing. He's out there constantly playing the charming, loving husband,

00:10:35.160 the guy that all women could respect and would want to spend time with, you know,

00:10:40.960 not a threat at all to anybody else's marriage. And really the judger of all men, he understands

00:10:48.960 toxic masculinity. And of course, the presumption is in a way that Trump and MAGA do not.

00:10:54.920 They're hashtag part of the problem. Let me just play the soundbite and then I'll get your reaction.

00:10:58.620 It's not one. Talk about masculinity for a moment. Has being second gentleman changed your own view

00:11:07.000 of perceived gender roles or what it means to be a man?

00:11:11.760 This is something I've thought about a lot and something I've spoken about a lot. There's too much

00:11:17.480 of toxicity. It's masculine toxicity out there. And we've kind of confused what it means to be a man,

00:11:25.280 what it means to be masculine, where you've got this trope out there that you've got to be tough and,

00:11:30.520 you know, angry and lash out to be strong. It's just the opposite. You know, strength is how you show

00:11:37.500 your love for people. Okay. I, this is so annoying. So is it toxically masculine to F around on your

00:11:47.420 wife with your child's nanny to get the nanny pregnant and then to have either an abortion

00:11:54.780 with this woman or to abandon the child entirely? Is that toxically masculine or is it worse to send

00:12:00.780 out a mean tweet asking for a friend? Let me know. Second gentleman. Go ahead, Mark.

00:12:05.700 Right. So, so first of all, I'm not sure we know for sure that the woman was, got pregnant. I don't

00:12:10.740 think that's established and it wasn't acknowledged. I think it is really, I mean, the Daily Mail has got

00:12:15.420 a lot on here. It's even, even in the Daily Mail story. Well, he didn't deny it, but he, but he didn't

00:12:22.360 acknowledge it. And even the Daily Mail story is a little ambivalent, ambiguous, but leaving that

00:12:26.760 aside, I agree with your first two points and I want to make a third. I agree with you

00:12:30.260 happened a while ago, personal life, presumption of grace. He's not the candidate. I agree with all

00:12:34.520 that. I also agree with your point that he is way out there on issues related to this and he should

00:12:39.480 sit for an interview and explain himself and talk about how he reconciles his public statements like

00:12:45.060 the one you just showed with his own conduct. The other point though, and I think for just the

00:12:49.440 analysis of where this race is, remember the vice president now is dealing with lots of things.

00:12:54.880 She's dealing with Israel. She's dealing with Iran. She's dealing with the economy. She's dealing

00:12:58.740 with picking a running mate. She's dealing with the convention planning. There's a lot going on

00:13:02.380 in her life. Imagine the personal turmoil this weekend. And if I'm right, that people are concerned

00:13:08.940 about other potential things. It's not just how's my husband being covered? How am I being covered?

00:13:14.580 That's for most Americans, what she went through this weekend, just on this story would be the most

00:13:19.540 pressure filled traumatic moment of their life. Every news organization in the country, more or less

00:13:24.360 covering this to some extent. She's not impervious to that. She couldn't be, she wouldn't be human

00:13:29.200 if she is. And so that to me is, is if you're talking, if you're talking about the election

00:13:34.340 and who's going to win rather than making a judgment about him, which I told you, I agree

00:13:38.820 with you on your two points. That to me, it's a pretty big deal because, because that's a lot of

00:13:43.720 pressure. And, and, and historically I've said it several times. I think it's important.

00:13:47.320 She's not been great making decisions under pressure.

00:13:49.280 Um, just to, just to, you know, go back. The Daily Mail says Kamala Harris's husband's

00:13:55.880 first marriage ended after he got his children's nanny pregnant, uh, that the second gentleman

00:14:00.840 cheated on his first wife, Kirsten, with the blonde nanny who also taught at the children's

00:14:04.640 pricey private school. The woman, uh, the affair partner did not deny the story when approached by

00:14:11.800 Daily Mail. She would not comment except to say, I'm kind of freaked out right now. A close friend

00:14:15.780 with direct knowledge of the affair and the pregnancy told Daily Mail that this woman did

00:14:20.540 not keep the child, but we don't know what that means. Does that mean she gave it up for adoption

00:14:24.360 or she had an abortion? Yeah. Though her social media shows a video of a mysterious baby girl

00:14:28.900 named Brooke in 2009, the year the baby would have been born does not appear from what I read here

00:14:33.100 that, that this little girl, that this, this woman has a little girl who would have been born in

00:14:37.800 2009. That little girl would be 14 years old now. So I don't know what happened to the baby,

00:14:42.100 but the Daily Mail report is very clear that according to them, well, there absolutely was

00:14:46.300 a pregnancy. I don't want to impugn the repertorial style of the Daily Mail, but I read the story

00:14:50.980 really carefully. And although you read a part that said there was a pregnancy and they claim to have

00:14:55.400 an anonymous source who says there was, if you read the totality of the story, it's not clear.

00:15:00.040 It's not, it's not proven within the story to my satisfaction. If I were writing that story,

00:15:05.060 I wouldn't have written it the way they did based on what they say their reporting was. There's no

00:15:09.020 evidence of a human being and there's no one saying she had an abortion. So it doesn't quite

00:15:14.020 add up. I'm not saying they have another friend, just, just, just a clear, I'm not trying to argue

00:15:17.900 with that. I just want to make sure the audience knows what you and I know. Yeah, of course you say

00:15:20.480 another friend with intimate knowledge of the scandal confirmed the affair, but told the Daily

00:15:25.100 Mail that this woman, the affair partner did not keep the baby. One source claimed that Emhoff,

00:15:31.040 that second gentleman had a financial settlement with the affair partner and that she left her school

00:15:38.020 job due to the hushed up scandal. She, then they say that, um, this affair partner is currently

00:15:44.420 caring for a baby and a toddler. Now I had a baby in 2009, that baby's now 14. So there's no mention

00:15:51.820 of her having a 14 year old. So, I mean, this is all knowable. It's just a matter of time for all

00:15:59.020 these facts. Megan, I'm not saying she didn't get pregnant. I'm not saying whether she had an

00:16:02.740 abortion or not. I don't have any idea. All I'm saying is the way I read that story,

00:16:06.280 the sourcing is not sufficient for me and there's no baby. There's no, you know, 14 year old. And it

00:16:11.620 wasn't confirmed by anybody in a named in a position to know they assert two sources in a

00:16:17.040 position to know, but I just, it's not proven to my satisfaction. I don't think it necessarily

00:16:20.760 matters for the dynamics we're talking about, but I just don't feel comfortable just acknowledging,

00:16:26.220 of course, he got her pregnant because it's not confirmed in a way to my satisfaction.

00:16:29.680 It matters. It matters on a couple levels. One of one of which is there's no bigger cheerleader

00:16:33.640 for abortion in America than Kamala Harris. You know, she's the only sitting vice president to

00:16:37.520 go to a Planned Parenthood. And this is still a very tricky issue because while there are many,

00:16:42.360 there are millions and millions of Americans who are pro-choice actively going to Planned

00:16:46.240 Parenthood, which performs abortions on demand. And sometimes it appears with glee is more

00:16:52.620 controversial. And that seems to be the boat in which Kamala Harris wants to row. So it just makes

00:16:58.620 it a little more, I don't know, unseemly, right? Like, gee, how'd you come by your affinity for

00:17:07.140 abortion? Could it have been you're super psyched your husband doesn't have this third child running

00:17:13.600 around from his first marriage? Well, I don't think that's the reason she supports abortion rights,

00:17:19.340 but I take your point. I'm not saying it's meaningless if it's true. I'm just saying the

00:17:23.660 bigger issues for me in terms of the distraction and the pressure on her and the question of his

00:17:28.480 own need to explain his conduct in light of his public advocacy, all those are true, whether there

00:17:34.100 was a pregnancy or not. Totally agree. And here's the craziness because they've spent the past two

00:17:39.040 weeks telling us that J.D. Vance is a weird misogynist because he's made the child as cat

00:17:44.420 lady comments. What are they going to say about him now? Is he going to get the same treatment that

00:17:48.740 J.D. Vance got for a throwaway comment or a defensive comment after all these attacks were

00:17:53.540 being launched on motherhood and parenthood? And he came out and said, hey, you know, it's not so

00:17:56.400 bad. I don't want to be lectured to by childless cat ladies. I doubt it, Mark. He won't. I mean,

00:18:01.500 the press the press has been in a two week plus cheering mode for the Paris ticket. They've reverted

00:18:07.440 back to the normal posture they have of supporting the Democratic nominee, particularly if the Republicans

00:18:11.600 Donald Trump and the coverage of it lasted a day. And maybe maybe the New York Times and

00:18:17.660 Washington Post have their investigative teams on it to try to do more than just, you know, right

00:18:22.200 with the Daily Mail, wrote and then included Doug Amoff's reaction, maybe. But but I don't get the

00:18:28.160 feel that this is being sustained. It was nowhere in broadcast television by Sunday and Monday. So

00:18:34.080 I like it wouldn't have been if this had been, you know, a Trump. Correct. Correct.

00:18:38.660 It would be everywhere. It would be everywhere. Let's talk about VP possibilities, because all

00:18:47.700 this incoming on Josh Shapiro, it's crazy to me that they're trying to make it a deal breaker that

00:18:52.660 when he was in college in 1993 and 20 years old, he wrote, Mideast peace will never come.

00:19:00.820 Palestinians will not coexist peacefully. They are too battle minded to be able to establish a peaceful

00:19:05.480 homeland. The only way a peace plan will be successful is if the Palestinians do not ruin

00:19:10.020 it. Absolutely. Every word of that is true. It was true. Then it's true. Now, now it has to disavow

00:19:16.620 it. But he was 20. But now but now he's got to disavow it, saying, oh, gee, I was only 20. My views

00:19:22.000 changed. Well, which part changed? Because they don't see him all that peaceful present day. Yeah.

00:19:27.420 He this is such a complicated situation. I think the bottom line for me now, even though I still think

00:19:32.420 he's the most likely to be picked. And there are people in his world who sent signals for almost a

00:19:36.700 week now that they think he they believe he is the choice. And it's just a matter of time.

00:19:41.720 The first rule of picking a running mate, as you know, making is do no harm. Don't pick someone

00:19:45.740 who's going to hurt the ticket. At this point, it's hard to make the argument as talented as the guy he

00:19:50.140 is. It's hard to make the argument that you can pick him without risking doing harm. Because if you pick

00:19:55.020 him, you're going to have segments of the party upset. One person who's who's in a position to really

00:20:00.060 care about this decision said, you can't have a successful convention if he's on the ticket,

00:20:05.180 because the left will go crazy and they'll protest inside and outside the hall and will ruin the

00:20:11.060 momentum and the excitement around her candidacy within the Democratic Party. And she must have

00:20:14.980 a good convention. And there's a person who loves Josh Shapiro, very sympathetic to him.

00:20:19.200 I think that that if she doesn't pick him now, she's created it. She and her campaign have created

00:20:24.860 a no win situation. If they pick him, it's going to be extremely controversial. He's not just being

00:20:29.980 opposed over his position on Israel and for his religion. John Fetterman seems to oppose him,

00:20:34.940 his own senator, simply because he says he's too ambitious, which is kind of a funny thing for one

00:20:39.360 politician to say about another. There's complaints about his labor record. Some people don't want him

00:20:43.800 to get it because they favor one of the other prospects. There's lots of reasons people are

00:20:47.720 opposing him. Bernie Sanders is opposed to him because he likes governor of Minnesota. But if she doesn't

00:20:53.640 pick him, I think she'll face a backlash too. A lot of centrists, a lot of American Jews will feel

00:20:58.260 he was not picked because she caved to the pressure of the left. And as you know,

00:21:03.180 one of the big issues for the next 90 days is, will she stand up to the left on anything?

00:21:07.920 Or would she stand up to the left on nothing? And at this point, she switched some issue positions

00:21:12.980 quietly. But this would be a very high profile, in the view of many, a very high profile concession,

00:21:18.660 caving to the left to say, I'm not picking the guy who would probably help me win the state we must

00:21:23.480 win because the left doesn't want me to pick him. What do we make of this Philadelphia mayor

00:21:28.620 releasing this ad on Friday? Was it it's yeah, they claimed it was inadvertent and she was just

00:21:34.940 pushing for Josh Shapiro to be the running mate. But the ad definitely sounded like when you'd release

00:21:40.440 post announcement. Yeah, she she was saying he's the running mate. So was this in what was this?

00:21:46.820 Yeah, well, it was just a web video. It wasn't a paid ad. I think I don't know the circumstances of

00:21:52.300 that. But as I said to you earlier, there are other people in his world who are big supporters

00:21:56.240 of his who work for him, who have slipped up at various times in the last week and said to people,

00:22:01.800 you know, it's Josh, like, get ready. So I've heard of other ones that are unambiguous,

00:22:08.060 although in some cases they tried to take it back or swore people to secrecy. This one, I think

00:22:12.940 I think I think you can read the video as her simply rooting for him as opposed to as knowing it

00:22:19.780 was him. I find it hard to believe they told the mayor that it was going to be him and she would

00:22:24.820 go make a video. I just I just don't think they did. She does not seem like a person who they would

00:22:29.520 entrust with the palace keys, but we'll find out. Actually, just just breaking. We'll find out

00:22:34.180 tomorrow. Vice President Kamala Harris expected this is NBC News to reveal her VP pick Tuesday ahead

00:22:39.920 of their first rally together in Philadelphia that evening. Do we read anything about the fact that

00:22:43.600 it's Philadelphia? No, I mean, I think I thought for a while it's going to be Shapiro and I still

00:22:49.100 do. So, you know, it makes sense. But they're going to all the battleground states and, you know,

00:22:53.460 they're going east to west. If she announced it today, and this is, I think, the reason for the

00:22:57.820 departure based on conversations I had earlier, it could literally be the third story on the news

00:23:02.680 between the economy and a potential Iranian strike on Israel and be unprecedented. I haven't done the

00:23:08.640 research, but I'm pretty sure historically when a running mate for a major party candidate is named,

00:23:12.600 it's the lead story. So if you think you're going to pick strong, you're going to ride the wave of

00:23:17.120 excitement for a week, you don't want it to be the third story. And it might still be the third story

00:23:21.840 tomorrow, but it almost certainly would be the third story today if Israel is hit and given what's

00:23:27.620 going on in world markets. So I don't know that they want to take that risk and that could be the

00:23:31.380 reason. But the other reason could be she's not ready to pick because this is a hard decision now.

00:23:38.120 Like I was originally told they were going to tell people on Sunday. So if my sources were right,

00:23:42.920 they've already delayed it a day. And now, you know, what I was, Halpern's third rule of Congress

00:23:47.720 applies to Kamala Harris. No decision is made until it absolutely must be. And sometimes not even that.

00:23:55.040 Just to put some icing on the cake here, the Nonprofit Institute for Middle East Understanding,

00:24:01.180 which is a pro-Palestinian group, is actively calling him a racist, saying his virulently,

00:24:09.260 that's such a hard word, racist comments, calling Palestinians battle-minded and Arabs belligerent.

00:24:16.940 They've reignited the grief and isolation, Palestinian Arab and Muslim Democrats feel.

00:24:22.640 And then they're mad that he volunteered with the Israeli military back when he was in high school.

00:24:28.560 They say when human rights abuses against Palestinians were being widely reported.

00:24:32.300 Now he's trying to beg off of that, saying, oh, I went on a kibbutz in Israel. I worked for a farm

00:24:37.240 and a fishery. And the program included volunteering on service projects in the Israeli at on an Israeli

00:24:43.980 army base. He wasn't involved in active military activities, but he himself had said I was a past

00:24:50.860 volunteer in the Israeli army. So I hate politicians, Mark. I just hate them.

00:24:58.260 They just no one stands by what they earlier said. Just be all right. They all do it. OK, let's let's move on.

00:25:05.400 Enough about Shapiro. Mark Kelly possibly dropping down on the list, according to our pal Eliana Johnson

00:25:12.300 of the Free Beacon. Why? And she refreshes the Free Beacon's 2020 reporting.

00:25:17.940 And it has to do with his former wife. He's described his divorce from the woman who's married

00:25:24.880 to a prior to Gabby Giffords is amicable. But court records, the beacon reports contradict that

00:25:30.140 description. He asked a Texas court to jail his ex wife, Amy Kelly, for six months after she moved to

00:25:37.120 a new town a few miles outside of their children's school district. And he wanted all sorts of penalties

00:25:43.100 against her for that decision. That's, I guess, potentially problematic for him. And there could

00:25:48.680 be more. I heard Jim Garrity over on the editor's podcast say he's working on a piece for The Washington

00:25:52.560 Post with a deep dive on Mark Kelly's problems and why he's not going to make the dance. What do you

00:25:56.980 think? Well, I've heard that, too, and related claims about his first marriage. He also had investment

00:26:04.660 related to China that makes a lot of Democrats uncomfortable and a lot of Republicans salivate.

00:26:10.620 I don't know. I have not penetrated the vetters to know where their concern was. But I know the

00:26:17.500 arc of this was he was very much under consideration. I thought he was the most likely early on in this

00:26:21.800 process. Then I was told he was out of contention. And the two things cited were the two things I just

00:26:26.880 mentioned. Over the weekend, I was told he was back in it. And I think I think what this is not an

00:26:32.460 uncommon thing. You saw this, for instance, with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, there's a clear front

00:26:36.220 runner. And they're sort of settling in on that. And then at the last minute, the opposition says,

00:26:41.180 don't pick that person, don't pick that person. And the presidential nominee says, all right,

00:26:44.720 let's look again at everybody. Let's make sure we're picking the right person. So I think he's been

00:26:48.580 brought back into the mix under that dynamic. And that, you know, they're there. It's not impossible

00:26:54.820 he become a fallback. But I don't believe they have a plan in place to handle those two PR issues.

00:27:00.380 Bill Clinton taught me. Bill Clinton used to say, if you want a perfect candidate,

00:27:07.220 vote for someone else. There's no one perfect on this list. Everybody's going to have some things.

00:27:11.660 The question is, who's got the greatest upside compared to the downside? Some people think

00:27:15.800 Kelly's bio is enough and that his national security experience is enough to say he's the best choice.

00:27:23.400 But he does have this downside. And he's not a dynamic campaigner the way Josh Shapiro is. Josh

00:27:28.660 Shapiro is one of the most, sorry about that. Josh Shapiro is one of the most dynamic campaigners

00:27:32.560 I've ever, I've ever seen really. And his, his upside is very big. The Kelly upside people debate

00:27:39.700 how big the Kelly upside is. I'm just not sure it's there. Hmm. Um, yes. The problem with Josh

00:27:46.380 Shapiro is as far as I see is he sounds just like Barack Obama, which is a problem because

00:27:52.180 it's an affectation. It just seems so obviously an effect. Do we have that sound bite you guys

00:27:56.300 where they're Kelly McGuire cut it? All right. We're going to pull it over. I'll show you what

00:28:00.800 I mean, but it's pretty remarkable how he's not playing his own game. He's trying to be like a

00:28:06.020 white Obama. And it's so obvious, Mark. Well, look, everybody adopts their speaking style.

00:28:13.200 To me, I hear a little Bill Clinton in it too. Uh, but you know, if you, if you were put it this way,

00:28:18.800 Megan, if you were going to be a baseball player and people said, boy, you swing a lot like Mickey

00:28:23.420 Mantle, I would take that as a positive, not a negative, or I'm going into broadcasting and I'm

00:28:28.260 modeling, I'm modeling myself on Megan Kelly. Like you'd say, yeah, that's good. Go, go with the

00:28:32.520 success. So if he sounds like Barack Obama, he's just trying to be like Mickey Mantle or Megan Kelly

00:28:36.700 seems like a good idea to me. But there's only one Mickey Mantle. There's only one Barack Obama and

00:28:41.480 you can't, it's not like style like that is not profitable. You can borrow Rush, Rush Limbaugh taught me

00:28:49.860 in broadcasting the power of pausing. Pausing is incredibly powerful, right? So when I, when I'm

00:28:56.440 hosting, I pause all the time, just like Rush. And if somebody said he's stealing Rush's pauses,

00:29:01.560 I'd say, yeah, Rush's pauses are amazing. So I just can't get that worked up. If he sounds like

00:29:07.660 Barack Obama, those are available for the taking. Do we have it? Yeah. No, we don't have it. Okay.

00:29:13.720 Nevermind. Well, eventually one day next year, we'll find it again. They're on, they're on YouTube.

00:29:17.280 Let's, well, we, we, I have a whole staff of people who cut it and put it together,

00:29:21.200 which I just can't play for you for some reason right now. Um, all right. So what do you make

00:29:24.460 of the final two? Pete Buttigieg, who apparently was back in the running. They said he met with her

00:29:28.600 and then, um, Waltz, the guy from Minnesota who you mentioned, Bernie Sanders backed him,

00:29:32.940 but very, very progressive. Like, isn't she trying to pretend she's actually more middle of the road?

00:29:37.460 Why would she go for, even though he's folksy and he's from Minnesota, the Midwestern guy,

00:29:40.900 why would she go with him? Double down on the progressiveness.

00:29:42.940 I got a hilarious email from a Democrat from Minnesota who, who said this guy was a complete

00:29:48.360 failure in the aftermath of the George, George Floyd killing. He's not a very good politician

00:29:52.880 in terms of his electoral results. He's, he's been governed. He was more moderate when he was in

00:29:57.640 the house. I think that the reason to go to Waltz is to just, it's basically the, the Tim Kaine model,

00:30:03.140 you know, Ari Fleischer tweeted yesterday, every vice presidential nominee is treated with this

00:30:07.160 extreme enthusiasm. And what a great choice they were. Joe Lieberman, John Kerry, et cetera.

00:30:11.360 Al Gore, Tim Kaine, the reaction to Tim Kaine was like, like the reaction to, to, you know,

00:30:17.540 taking a subway ride. It just wasn't that, wasn't that effusive. I think that's what,

00:30:21.240 if they went with Waltz, that what it would be. Labor likes him. Nancy Pelosi likes him.

00:30:26.700 Bernie Sanders likes him. It would just be basically to say, this guy's had military experience. He's got

00:30:32.200 governing experience. He's qualified to be president, check the box, move on and get probably

00:30:37.440 nothing out of it. But that's a model. I mean, that's what Hillary Clinton did. If you think you

00:30:41.480 don't need anything, you go with the safe choice. Now I'm not sure it's a safe choice. And I think

00:30:45.520 when the left of the party sees his record on Israel issues, where he's done things with Netanyahu,

00:30:50.620 he's done things with AIPAC, he's not that far from Josh Shapiro in Israel. I think the left would

00:30:54.640 be, would be a little surprised by that when they find it. But I think his, the, the, the, the,

00:31:00.040 the recommendation of him, despite his being liberal as a governor is he's not going to,

00:31:05.440 he's going to do no harm. They think now, again, I think he might do some harm for some of the things

00:31:09.580 I just said, but that's the, that's the, uh, that's the rationale for picking him. I think.

00:31:14.960 Well, I look forward to the media giving each of these guys the same treatment as JD Vance got for

00:31:21.000 him. They just had cable news hits to go through for all these guys. We have years of being in the

00:31:26.500 public eye doing hits on television shows, writing books, pushing policy proposals. So

00:31:31.600 the vetting is going to be super vigorous. I'm sure by all those same outlets. We finally found

00:31:37.020 Shapiro Obama. Let's watch.

00:31:40.960 Shared with me your fears and you told me about your hopes and you sent me to the Capitol to fight

00:31:47.300 for you. I'm asking you to believe not in my ability to bring about change, but in yours.

00:31:55.120 When I was on your porches and at your doors, you talked to me about making sure we could

00:32:00.520 breathe clean air and drink pure water who made the single largest investment ever in

00:32:06.240 fighting against climate change. That is the choice in this election. Everyone here in the

00:32:11.260 Commonwealth, no matter what they look like, where they come from, who they love or who they

00:32:16.460 pray to should have the freedom to chart their own course. The democratic leaders who believe

00:32:21.640 that the freedom to make these intimate personal decisions belong to every American, not politicians

00:32:29.140 in Washington. GSD. We focus on getting shit done here in Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

00:32:35.540 Oh, boy. Yes, we can. Yes, we did. Yes, we can.

00:32:43.820 Yes, he can. Yes, he can.

00:32:46.980 There's only one Barack Obama. I'm sorry, Josh. You're making the bleep. Dropping the G's off your

00:32:52.240 words doesn't make you into Barack Obama. All right. Let's talk about this polling before I let

00:32:56.920 you go. CBS drops a shocking poll for Team Trump, I'm sure, maybe even for Team Harris.

00:33:03.680 Likely voters. So we pay extra attention. Harris 50, Trump 49 nationally. Battlegrounds totally

00:33:10.360 evened it up. 50-50. Wow. And then let's look at the battlegrounds in the same poll. Choice for

00:33:17.860 president. Likely voters. It's even in every single battleground state. She's erased his lead in every

00:33:25.240 single one of them, according to this latest poll. Michigan, 48-48. Pennsylvania, 50-50. Wisconsin,

00:33:31.360 49-Harris, 50-Trump. All that's within the margin of error. Arizona, 49-49. Arizona, 49-49. Georgia,

00:33:38.860 Harris 47, Trump 50. Nevada, he was up by six not too long ago. Harris 50, Trump 48. North Carolina,

00:33:48.040 Harris 47, Trump 50. He's still looking good in North Carolina, but that's tighter than I've seen.

00:33:52.820 I mean, my only note next to this, Mark, is OMG. Well, I did a long tweet, X thread today about

00:34:01.740 where I think things stand. She's the party. This party did a smart thing switching out Harris for

00:34:07.520 Biden because Biden had one path of 270 electoral votes before the debate and after the debate,

00:34:12.280 he had zero. So you're going to trade up and she has moved closer. There's no doubt that she's closer

00:34:17.900 in the popular vote nationally and in most of the battleground states than Joe Biden was, but she

00:34:22.920 still doesn't have any clear paths to 270. She has potential paths, but Donald Trump has multiple

00:34:28.280 paths. She's not putting any new states in play. So we're talking now about seven states. Now,

00:34:32.820 she probably has taken those next tier of states, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Virginia, New Mexico.

00:34:38.180 She's probably put those back safely in the Democratic column, but I don't think it's still after

00:34:41.940 the press coverage calms down a little bit, which I think it will, after her VP pick in the convention.

00:34:47.340 Let's get to Labor Day, kids back to school in the Northeast, and let's see where it is then. I

00:34:52.240 suspect that it's going to be close, and I suspect that it's possible that it won't be close.

00:34:58.480 It'll be close in September, I think, but I think it's possible that either candidate can blow this out.

00:35:03.100 And people say, well, that's kind of a cop-out. I'm just telling you where I think the race is.

00:35:07.260 This will be determined by whether she convinces people, particularly in the light of the events of the

00:35:11.200 last 24 hours. Can she be a good steward of a good economy? Can she be a commanding, determined,

00:35:17.400 and intimidating commander-in-chief? If she convinces enough voters in the swing states that

00:35:21.780 those things are true, she'll win. And if she doesn't, she could be blown out. And we just don't

00:35:26.400 know yet whether she's going to clear the bar on those two issues. What a moment where we're on the

00:35:31.240 precipice of a possible expanded war in the Middle East, already a powder keg region. And then,

00:35:37.660 you know, as well as seeing our 401ks dive down to levels that are better not checked,

00:35:44.260 you know, Trump is already all over it and calling it a Kamala crash. And we don't know where that

00:35:50.700 crash winds up. How low does it go? Glenn Beck is always great on these financial situations. He's

00:35:55.640 here in just a moment. Mark, great to see you. Thanks for being here.

00:35:58.360 Let me know if Glenn compares you to Mickey Mantle.

00:36:00.240 I'll get back to you. Only guests who do get repeat invitations on the show.

00:36:08.400 Good to see you, Megan.

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00:37:02.100 We've got to get what's happened to what's happening over in Paris with the Olympics and

00:37:06.700 this boxer. I don't know about you, but I was flabbergasted at the amount of gaslighting going

00:37:12.840 on in the media and by the IOC about the true sex of these two boxers who are competing in women's

00:37:21.200 boxing. They're male. You trust me. I believe you trust me. You wouldn't be listening to this show.

00:37:27.120 They're male. They have XY chromosomes. They have testes. That's male. Period. The IOC doesn't deny it

00:37:35.360 and we'll get to exactly how they're trying to thread the needle, but that's what you need to know.

00:37:38.560 So these are men competing as women. They're not trans from what we understand. They suffer what's

00:37:45.560 called DSDs and that's a different thing, which we'll get into, but I'm going to walk you through

00:37:49.900 it. Okay. I'm going to, I'm going to give you the facts you need to know, but a little bit of

00:37:53.520 background for you. First, the IOC has been aware of this problem in women's boxing for years and

00:38:02.220 it's done nothing because it's number one goal is quote inclusion. And it's made that clear. It's

00:38:07.660 woke. It doesn't care about women's safety or women's fairness. It just cares about making the

00:38:14.200 trans or the DSDs feel welcome and safety of women be damned. But this particular case has escalated

00:38:21.340 the matter escalated the matter because it's now in combat sports. Leah Thomas was bad enough. That

00:38:27.320 was swimming, but he was in his own lane. Now we're actually endangering women. This has been banned in

00:38:33.920 sports like rugby because that's another combat sport. And the, the entity that controls boxing for

00:38:41.760 women, the international boxing Federation has also said, this is a no-go and disqualified these two

00:38:48.200 athletes before. And they notified the IOC that these are males and the IOC ignored it.

00:38:56.720 It's only response has been to attack the boxing Federation. Uh, and to say, you know, hands over

00:39:03.520 the ears. It's not true. We're just not going to listen. They have female written on their passports.

00:39:08.180 It's insane what they're doing. And let me kick it off with what we heard from Mark Adams,

00:39:13.080 who's the IOC comms director last week when this controversy first erupted with the boxer from

00:39:19.220 Nigeria. There's another one from Taiwan. Take a listen to him. Sat 21.

00:39:23.780 They are women in their passports. And it's stated that that is the case, uh, that they are female.

00:39:29.980 Um, they're competing in the women's category. Again, I don't want to mention their names or

00:39:36.660 whatever, but these athletes have competed, uh, many times before for many years.

00:39:42.120 Okay. So they're, they're female. Cause he says they're female, by the way, Algeria, not Nigeria.

00:39:47.280 And they've competed as females for many years. He skips over the part where they were disqualified

00:39:53.440 from worlds in 2023 for being men. Okay. So basically they got away with it for a number of years.

00:39:59.580 Therefore they are female. That doesn't hold up. It got to the point where the organization that

00:40:06.560 oversees women's boxing, the international boxing association felt the need to come out publicly

00:40:11.400 and say the IOC is misleading you. And this just happened over the weekend. And they explained

00:40:17.640 this past weekend that this thing started in Turkey in may of 2022, when they were in competition,

00:40:25.720 tests were taken and they said the results were inconsistent with femaleness. Um, next thing

00:40:33.860 they knew they had championships in 2023 in new Delhi, India, the world championships come in new

00:40:40.120 Delhi, India, female world championships. There were 324 boxers from 64 nations. It was a 10 day

00:40:45.940 competition and Taiwan's Lin Yoteng and Algeria's Amin Khalif were two of those 324 boxers. Now they and

00:40:55.120 others, this is not that uncommon. It's not common, but it's not unheard of for people participating in

00:41:03.960 this sport and others like it, um, to be concealing that they suffer from what are called DSDs suspected

00:41:10.540 differences of sexual development, differences of sexual development. We used to use the term

00:41:16.520 hermaphrodite. Then they changed it to intersex. Now they go by DSDs. And what it means in this case

00:41:23.240 is you're someone who's a male, you have XY chromosomes and testes, but you don't have

00:41:28.440 descended testes. And sometimes you don't have a penis. And, but then when you hit puberty,

00:41:33.460 something might start growing, but there's no doubt that in the vast majority of these cases,

00:41:38.920 the guy knows he's a guy, at least by the time he hits puberty. And certainly these two know,

00:41:43.860 because they had an XY chromosome test done repeatedly, including a blood test,

00:41:47.600 according to the officials in that world championships that told them they're men.

00:41:51.860 They know they, according to the experts would not have any female interior, uh, you know,

00:42:00.620 internal organs, no uterus, no ovaries, no fallopian tubes. There'd be no period,

00:42:06.460 no breasts would grow. And that's consistent with what our eyes show us when we see these two compete,

00:42:10.040 but they do have male testes that usually are undescended. So when they are born,

00:42:14.780 they may look female in the genitalia. And therefore many of them are raised as girls

00:42:21.500 in the beginning by well-meaning families who don't understand what they have here.

00:42:25.540 And then it becomes apparent later on as they continue to look more and more like boys.

00:42:29.700 And then they hit puberty. And often the testes do descend and something approaching a penis could

00:42:34.780 start growing. And all of that deserves empathy and understanding and kindness and non-bullying.

00:42:40.040 And I think we're all there. However, it gets a lot trickier when they enter female sports,

00:42:47.720 especially combat sports, and then remain in them after they know, because this is not a question

00:42:54.780 of elevated testosterone. They have perfectly normal testosterone for men, for men. They haven't

00:43:02.260 done anything to manipulate their testosterone. It's not a matter of doping, you know, in a way it's a

00:43:08.080 matter of biology. And this would be the same thing as an Olympian going and competing in the

00:43:14.820 Paralympics. That's not allowed. They have able bodies and you can't compete against people who

00:43:21.360 don't have those same physical advantages. It would be unfair. We would recognize it clearly in that

00:43:25.540 context. We choose not to hear because the IOC is woke. Let me go back to the facts.

00:43:30.740 They were asked to take these further blood tests. They did. They demonstrated chromosomes. This is

00:43:36.840 from the IBA, International Boxing Association Presser, that we refer to as ineligible results.

00:43:43.020 That was further ratified and they were removed. He said, we've got a document that was sent to both

00:43:48.200 boxers, refers to the blood test. We're not able to give the actual blood test results here due to

00:43:52.680 medical privacy. But both boxers signed our letter to show receipt. They had seen the XY.

00:43:58.300 Both had the opportunity to appeal. The Taiwanese fighter chose not to appeal, but Iman Khalif did

00:44:09.120 appeal. And he said, we had further discussions with Iman and we paid for most of that appeal,

00:44:15.080 but Iman dropped it. And therefore it was never actually adjudicated. Now I ask you,

00:44:21.240 if you were an actual female, why would you drop your appeal?

00:44:24.140 You were deprived of boxing in the gold medal round. You had made it through all the other

00:44:31.000 rounds. You're about to fight for gold and they DQ you for being male and you drop the appeal. Why?

00:44:39.700 Why? Why isn't that in all the reporting wired? You've been absolutely disgusting. You're a tech

00:44:45.320 magazine for the love of God. Stick to writing about computers because you don't know shit about

00:44:49.900 fairness in sport. The IBA then sent a letter to the international Olympic committee on June 5th,

00:44:57.180 2023, informing them of the test results. Summary abnormal interpretation. Chromosomal analysis reveals

00:45:04.080 male karyotype, which means chromosome. Male chromosomes have been found. What happens with the

00:45:12.480 IOC? They come out and double down. They don't care. They couldn't care less that the boxing

00:45:18.800 federation is saying they're men. We tested it. It's a blood test. And we told the IOC here is the

00:45:22.540 IOC again, trying to gaslight us. Thomas Bach, the worst. He's the president of the IOC on Saturday.

00:45:29.040 Let's be very clear here. We are talking about women's boxing.

00:45:33.260 And we have two boxers who are born as women, who have been raised as women, who have a passport as a woman,

00:45:47.420 and who have competed for many years as women. And this is the clear definition of a woman.

00:45:58.980 There was never any doubt about them being a woman. And how can somebody being born,

00:46:09.060 raised, competed, and having a passport as a woman cannot be considered a woman?

00:46:15.620 That man sitting there knows that they tested positive via blood test for XY chromosomes.

00:46:20.760 He's a liar. He's got an agenda. Moreover, the IOC at that presser

00:46:27.060 came out, the same guy, and said, I repeat, this is not a DSD case. It's not a DSD case.

00:46:38.340 Okay? So he's trying to say, no, they're not intersex, et cetera. This is about a woman taking

00:46:42.980 part in a woman's competition. And I think I've explained this many times. Guess what happened

00:46:46.120 after the presser? The IOC had to issue a paper correction. The correction reads as follows.

00:46:52.580 He said, I repeat here, this is not a DSD case. What was intended was, I repeat here,

00:47:00.160 this is not a transgender case. That's it right there. That's the admission. It's a DSD case,

00:47:06.560 which we know because they have XY chromosomes. They are men. It's not about elevated testosterone.

00:47:11.820 It's about them being actual men, XY chromosomes, which you cannot get around.

00:47:16.280 Uh, the doctor for the IOC, who's on the board of it, it's not the IOC, the International Boxing

00:47:21.220 Federation, uh, Dr. Ioannis Filipatos came out and said it explicitly. Listen to this.

00:47:27.300 I try to say that the medical result, medical result, blood result,

00:47:33.740 looks and say the laboratories that this boxer is male.

00:47:41.680 So he gave it up, even though the first guy who spoke for the IBF was like, oh,

00:47:45.700 he can't be specific because of privacy. Then on comes the doctor, who's a board member for the

00:47:50.880 boxing federation and says they're men. Um, you've got not for nothing, but a guy named Alan

00:47:57.540 Abramson, award-winning sports writer, prior sports columnist for NBC news saying he's seen the test

00:48:01.260 himself and the letter, which the IBA concluded, uh, showed the boxers were male and said, it shows

00:48:07.600 that Iman Khalif has the DNA, which is that of a male consisting of XY chromosomes. The lab results

00:48:14.120 for each athlete to pick the XY chromosomes photographically and on and on it goes. The

00:48:19.460 proof is overwhelming. And the IOC was told there is no way around this. I am sorry that these two got

00:48:30.680 all the way to the metal rounds. Now they're both guaranteed to metal because they've been beating

00:48:34.580 women over and over and they've did so well that they're going to win. I'm sorry that they were

00:48:38.400 allowed to do that and were falsely led to believe it would be okay. It's not okay. It's not okay.

00:48:45.520 The one woman who was defeated by one of these over the weekend, you saw her hold up the XX

00:48:50.000 with the fingers, XX trying to say, I'm a woman. This is a woman's competition. And that's how it must

00:48:57.160 remain. If we are going to protect the safety of American women and all the other women who have to go

00:49:03.680 into this already dangerous sport, this is not one of the risks they assume. Look at her right on.

00:49:11.560 But you know what really needs to be done? I'm sorry. Don't box. The Italian woman who was defeated

00:49:17.020 by a main Khalif last weekend, she wound up issuing an apology. Charlie Kirk predicted it.

00:49:21.940 An apology for speaking out against him. If the IOC let him play, I guess it's fair. Well, no, it's not

00:49:28.200 fair. And I'm sorry. I guess these women have to worry about blowback to themselves, but they should

00:49:33.060 also be worrying about the women who come up behind them because there too are in danger and someone's

00:49:38.800 going to get killed. The boxing federation and the boxing officials who've been pulled one of the,

00:49:44.640 one of the old female world champions, former said in main Khalif's not, not even a very good boxer.

00:49:50.080 He's winning because he's male and female pronouns are inappropriate. In this context, the co-founder of

00:49:57.660 the independent council and women's sports condemned the IOC, the coverup and championing of male athletes

00:50:03.740 and women's Olympic sports is the greatest sports scandal of our lifetime. Heads must roll within the

00:50:10.720 IOC to account for this unthinkable justice against women. Couldn't have said it better myself.

00:50:17.500 We're back in a moment with Glenn Beck.

00:50:20.080 Sometimes I see you dance around the house in my underwear. Doesn't make me Madonna. Never will.

00:50:29.000 And that was the great Joan Cusack in the moving working girl trying to explain a basic premise

00:50:33.680 of how you can play pretend, but it doesn't change reality. Joining me now to discuss it,

00:50:38.520 Blaze TV's Glenn Beck, author of the New York Times bestselling children's book,

00:50:42.640 Out Now, Chasing Embers. It's YA and it's really good. It's about pushing back on an

00:50:47.500 over overly controlling, tyrannical society that tells you to do something you know is wrong. So

00:50:53.060 very timely. Glenn, you remember that movie, right? That's basically the lesson that the IOC needs to

00:50:58.940 hear.

00:50:59.520 You know, everybody needs to hear this. I don't know if you heard the story from Missouri this weekend,

00:51:04.660 but the Lifetime Fitness Center is now being sued by the attorney general of Missouri. Thank goodness.

00:51:14.120 Listen to this post. This is a guy who claims he's a woman. He walks into the ladies locker room

00:51:20.140 and he says, a woman, very Karen, confronted me in this locker room this morning saying it was

00:51:26.280 inappropriate for me to be in there. Well, I answered every challenge when she eventually

00:51:30.780 accused me of having parts with little girls being around when the reality is there is no one ever

00:51:36.300 naked in there and neither am I. So immediately I went to the GM and I had a conversation about the

00:51:42.600 club's policy to make sure I was supported. That's when I learned that there'd been, they had fielded

00:51:48.700 a bunch of calls from the previous day, which was leading to a multi-club meeting to figure out what

00:51:54.680 to do. Net-net, the club is on my side and will attempt to educate their membership. I'm so sick and

00:52:02.420 tired of people educating me. I'm an educated guy. I think I got it down. I even think I even think I

00:52:10.720 could get away and say, if you're saying that that is a chick, uh, you're, you'd be insulting science

00:52:17.840 and that would be me. You're insulting me and you're taking on science. This is science, man. This is so

00:52:24.040 easy and it's just people have got to stop. I so agreed with you and Charlie Kirk last week when I heard

00:52:31.360 you guys talking and saying, uh, you know, the, the, the girl, you know, she, she turned around and she

00:52:36.640 didn't, she's like, I'm sorry. I apologize. No, no. I know you have to make a stand because nobody's going to

00:52:44.940 stand for you. Nobody. They're so worried about blowback. And look, I I'm hopeful that in time

00:52:52.900 she'll get it. Look at Riley gains. You know, Riley was the one who tied her fifth with Leah Thomas

00:52:58.440 and didn't speak out in the moment. We knew that she was the person forced to let Leah Thomas pose

00:53:05.020 with the, with the trophy, not her at the time. She didn't say anything. She's on a team where

00:53:09.740 there's pressure. And then Paula Scanlon was on the team with Leah Thomas. Didn't say anything.

00:53:14.500 And then shortly thereafter, they did shortly there. They were like, wait, what just happened

00:53:18.680 to me? So sometimes it takes a while for you to realize how badly you've been wronged. But this is

00:53:24.480 like the, now that it truly Glenn it's in combat sports, it's downright dangerous and it's dangerous

00:53:29.700 for the media to play along. They're all calling them. She and women.

00:53:34.940 It was, it doesn't matter that it's contact sports, soccer. Wasn't there a girl that is now

00:53:43.060 partially paralyzed because she was playing against a guy who, yeah, volleyball. Yeah. I mean,

00:53:50.280 geez, uh, I don't know. There's maybe something to this whole science and biology thing. And you know,

00:53:57.880 everybody is living in this dream world and it's just enough is enough. It really is. And until

00:54:04.660 the average American will stand up and go, yeah, no, that's a dude. And pretty. And, and if it is a

00:54:13.440 woman, a woman, a very ugly woman, uh, but it's a dude, that's the gaslighting, right? You know,

00:54:19.480 there's look at these guys. They have no breasts. They are built like men. They are five, 10. They,

00:54:25.360 they look like a man in every single way that you can look like a man. And we are just being told

00:54:29.840 to say, it's a woman. It's a woman by a media that wants us to just go along out of kindness,

00:54:35.660 but the kindness only runs one way, not to the actual women, only to men who say they're right.

00:54:43.780 And I, I don't know how women don't see that you, you know, you really do have a man with his thumb on

00:54:54.660 you all the time. Now he's just calling himself a woman. And now he's made himself the head of all

00:55:01.040 women's clubs. Uh, he gets special treatment. He gets to tell you exactly what you, he needs. He gets

00:55:07.340 to educate you. Does that not sound like a abusive relationship? Does that not sound like everything?

00:55:13.880 The women's movement has always said, they're trying to get, trying to get away from the man

00:55:17.180 who's just keeping me down. You know, I got somebody who's beaten on me, hitting, I can't fight back.

00:55:23.100 I'm, I'm built differently than he is. Can somebody help me now? We've just said, no,

00:55:30.180 no, you have to take it. You bigot. Yeah. You have to take it. That's not a man. That's a woman

00:55:35.700 kind of craziness is that. And you say, thank you. And if you complain about getting punched in the

00:55:42.700 face by a man, you apologize, or we will ruin you. Here was Trump addressing this matter on Saturday

00:55:49.960 at a rally in Atlanta. So seven. Harris is a radical trans activist and she is the candidate

00:55:58.740 of letting men beat up women in the name of tolerance. But you look at what's happening

00:56:03.700 over in Paris. It will never happen here. I will never let it happen.

00:56:08.400 I will get all males off your daughter's soccer teams and volleyball teams and get them out of

00:56:17.040 your locker rooms once and for all. That's going to be cleaned up and we will fight to make sure that

00:56:21.920 the LA Olympics protects women and protects girls. Good point because it's coming here next. He's getting

00:56:29.040 better at this issue, Glenn. He is. I just, you know, I was in LA this weekend and I just,

00:56:37.960 I walked away going, there's no way to reach these people anymore. There's no, there's,

00:56:44.760 you are putting the most radical Senator in our history. Somebody who's on record saying

00:56:52.680 crazy things that every Democrat rejected the last time she was around. And now because of Trump,

00:57:02.000 Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, they'll put her in. And they think that that's less dangerous

00:57:09.120 than Trump. And there's no talking to them. There's no talking to them. I, I, it's,

00:57:16.820 there are parts of this country where it's, it's mass delusion and a mental illness. It really is a

00:57:27.680 mental illness. You go up to New York and you talk to anybody with masks. They're still wearing them.

00:57:33.240 People are still wearing them. And somebody's got COVID. Right. I, okay. Ooh, they have COVID.

00:57:41.520 I'm not afraid of COVID. Why are you still afraid of COVID? And why are you wearing a mask inside your

00:57:49.580 car alone? That's truly not well behavior. That's like, I don't know. It's crazy stuff. All right,

00:57:57.140 wait, let me shift. I want to get, we talked about that a lot. I want to get to the markets, Glenn,

00:58:02.860 because you're so good on this stuff. And this is, I mean, we're in a situation right now where we're

00:58:06.980 looking at possible expansion to use a mild word of the existing war in the middle East as Iran is

00:58:14.760 getting ready to strike Israel back as the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah amps up. And at the

00:58:20.540 same time, our markets are in free fall after what happened in Japan, where there was a 12% drop in

00:58:26.160 their Nikkei index. Um, they say the market response is a reflection. This is a director of financial

00:58:32.120 services firm Monex group. The market response is a reflection of the deteriorating U S economic

00:58:38.620 outlook. What happened in Japan? He said it was a New York sneeze that forced Japanese pneumonia.

00:58:43.100 And now we're over here dealing with, I don't know, like catastrophic COVID. I'm not sure where

00:58:48.320 it is now, but it's terrible. It's at least COVID. Um, the, um, the situation is getting worse and worse

00:58:59.080 because we are just spending all of this money. The fed is doing this lie that they expect people.

00:59:06.720 Well, they do believe it, um, that they can, um, help inflation by sucking some of those dollars back

00:59:14.220 in through higher interest rates. That's how you do it. You take it in and you then burn that money.

00:59:21.560 That's the way it used to be. You'd burn all that extra cash and that would bring down inflation.

00:59:26.360 But what they're doing is they're just taking the money from the average person and then stacking up

00:59:33.660 in a little pile and saying here, Congress, you guys can have this and we're still printing more

00:59:40.940 for you. The only ones that are hurting are the American people. They're having to pay higher interest

00:59:47.900 rates on everything. And that money is being sucked and hoovered out of their wallet and their purses

00:59:54.000 and then given directly to an out of control government that is adding even more to what they've

01:00:00.320 just taken from the American people, put it on the American people's tab and then trying to convince us

01:00:06.980 that no, we're working on inflation. No, you're not. You're not working on, you are the reason it's

01:00:13.700 happening. And until they, until Washington has somebody that is actually going to stand up

01:00:21.180 and sees the people, hears the people and knows that it is the people that should be his first

01:00:28.480 concern, you're not going to get anywhere. But in fact, we, Joe Biden has done so many things

01:00:36.660 that kick in beginning in 2025. And when you see those things kick in, if you think our economy is bad

01:00:45.320 now, it's going to be worse in 2025. And that's without war. That's without any, you know, big shock

01:00:52.740 to the system. And I don't know about you, uh, Megan, but, uh, you know, I've said before that

01:00:59.260 these are the birth pangs of the things to come, which means we're getting ready to give birth to

01:01:04.360 something that I don't think we want to see. And they'll get faster and faster. Uh, it feels like

01:01:10.140 we're in constant labor pains right now. We're getting close. We're getting close to something.

01:01:15.980 There's a reason all these tech giants and wall street giants one by one have come out and endorsed

01:01:21.500 Trump. They understand that this so-called recovery that we've been told we're experiencing,

01:01:27.020 but the average Joe just doesn't feel it and is holding the Biden Harris administration responsible

01:01:31.680 for it that we know it's not real that we can see. And they've been manipulating, uh, the

01:01:38.220 inflationary indicators so that they take out the most problematic, problematic ones to make the

01:01:43.920 numbers look better. And the job market responses or the increases in jobs every month are also

01:01:50.100 manipulated. They always come out high. And then when you're not looking a month later,

01:01:53.360 they reduce them significantly. So the jobs that they added are lower than they said they were that

01:01:58.560 happened over the past two months. And then this month they were way lower. They had to admit they

01:02:03.640 were way lower than expected. And so now we seem to be on trend for future jobs, increasing

01:02:10.840 unemployment. People still can't pay their bills. The stock stock market is tumbling. And that is why

01:02:18.300 president Trump is out there today calling this the great depression of 2024. You can't play games

01:02:23.660 with markets. Kamala crash. This absolutely could become an actual election issue. And, um,

01:02:32.460 I don't know, like, I'm not sure that they can do the propping up in the next hundred days to hide it.

01:02:39.360 You can't, um, if it doesn't, if it's just, uh, a mini crisis, um, I think we'll get through it.

01:02:49.020 If it is a, if, if this is the one that brings it down and I don't think it is war, if war gets

01:02:56.600 serious and we're all going towards war, that will be the final straw. Um, uh, hopefully that

01:03:03.560 won't happen before November. Um, because I just, I don't know what people will do. People have been

01:03:09.220 lied to for so long. You know, what's happening in great Britain right now. That is, that is a

01:03:14.060 microcosm of us. What's happening on the streets right now is being so spun and so misunderstood

01:03:20.560 by the elites. And then the elites will educate the people, what they're really mad about. Uh,

01:03:28.060 and you know, they're just mad because they're racist. That's not true. And that's not what's

01:03:32.900 happening over there. They're about to go into civil war, England in civil war. Well, that's,

01:03:40.980 what's coming our way. If we don't correct this from the leadership side, you can only take lies

01:03:48.680 so long. Eventually everybody sees it. And that's when usually guns come out and you're going to shut

01:03:56.720 up. You're going to do this. You're going away. You're going to be silenced because you, you have

01:04:04.200 to go into the Russia state or the Stasi state, uh, of, uh, of East Berlin, where everybody knows the

01:04:13.120 truth, but you don't speak it. You say something else and then you whisper it maybe to your wife at

01:04:19.640 night. Yeah. Like P.S. They're bad. Those are actual bad. I want to show you and the audience

01:04:27.140 something. Um, Joe Biden was welcoming home. The prisoners, the American prisoners who were in

01:04:34.920 Russia's custody on the tarmac, you know, our actual innocent Americans who'd been accused of crimes.

01:04:41.460 They appear not to have committed, welcomed back and exchanged for actual criminals and actual

01:04:46.620 assassin among them, uh, to Putin. I guess, I mean, we're, we're happy. Our Americans are back,

01:04:51.700 but we don't have to celebrate. This is as, as a good deal as an effective negotiating tactic or deal

01:04:57.540 by Joe Biden. Nonetheless, he gets out there and listen to what he said. Let's play.

01:05:03.080 The question was, what do you want your legacy to be? That I cured the economy and the environment

01:05:22.640 and a few other small things. I cured the economy, Glenn, as we're now, I mean, you know, we went back

01:05:30.420 and just pulled the numbers, you know, 1.9 trillion in the COVID-19 relief. When he first took over 1.2

01:05:34.580 trillion infrastructure investment in jobs act, which was nothing of the kind followed by 1.85

01:05:40.100 trillion inflation reduction act, which was a true misnomer that was focused on green energy, 369

01:05:45.780 billion for a climate initiative to reduce greenhouse emissions, promote energy technologies

01:05:50.580 that no one wants. And he wants us to know he cured the economy. Tell it to my 401k.

01:06:00.740 Think of the arrogance of that. Just think of the arrogance that it has to say.

01:06:05.860 And, and that I cured the environment.

01:06:10.260 I don't even have the arrogance to think that all of us put together could destroy the earth.

01:06:15.620 I think the earth would destroy us. It's a living organism. It will purge itself of us

01:06:22.900 before we could kill it. Can we do some damage? Yes, we can. Can one man cure the environment? Can one

01:06:31.700 man in a, in 350 million people and entrepreneurs and people with ideas and people who are mowing the

01:06:40.420 grass and coming up with a new idea on, on how to fertilize that and the farmers and the

01:06:46.660 meat packers. Really? You cured the economy. You did. Wow. Well, thank you. I, you know what,

01:06:57.780 we should all just take back a bit because it only takes one man.

01:07:01.380 They should get that on a campaign sign. No. But meanwhile, speaking of delusions,

01:07:06.100 he's out there with his delusions of grandeur and here's Kamala Harris. I mean, this is beyond

01:07:11.220 measuring the drapes. She appeared in Houston to eulogize the late representative Sheila Jackson

01:07:16.740 Lee, who died of pancreatic cancer. Sot to. It was Sheila Jackson Lee, whose bill

01:07:23.540 made Juneteenth a federal holiday, which as a United States Senator, I was proud to co-sponsor.

01:07:31.060 And then as president, as vice president, it was my honor with the president, with the president.

01:07:41.380 Okay. She's not the president. She may have been secretly acting as the president for who knows

01:07:47.140 how long we don't know, but now we're looking at possible expanded war with Iran in the Middle East,

01:07:52.900 Glenn, and we actually do kind of need a commander in chief and we need to know who it is.

01:07:56.820 Uh, can I, can I just tell you, why do you think those hostages were that hostage deal was done?

01:08:04.020 Uh, come, uh, Kamala and, uh, and Biden think that it shows them as great negotiators. No,

01:08:11.380 Putin wants that deal because he wants them, not Trump. That's why he did a deal with them. He doesn't

01:08:20.180 want Donald Trump. That's just another, another way of saying, you guys are great for us here. I'm

01:08:26.020 going to make you look good in your papers. You guys run with it. Uh, tell me the world leader

01:08:33.620 that has it out for America that would like to see Donald Trump return to office. Do you think

01:08:41.220 China does? I don't think so. Uh, do you think even Pakistan or Afghanistan, the Taliban? Uh, do you

01:08:50.500 think Iran, the mullahs are like, geez, if we could just get past Biden, man, he's so tough on us.

01:08:56.980 Do you think Syria, Russia, anyone, anyone that is our enemy is looking at those two saying,

01:09:06.660 these are tough cookies. I thought Trump was bad, but boy, these guys got us on the ropes.

01:09:11.700 Not at all. Well, let me, let me, let me add a little color to that. Here's here. She is

01:09:19.300 more at joint base Andrews where again, same thing. Tarmac for the first time in a while,

01:09:25.780 since I think she became the nominee presumptive, she had a chance to speak extemporaneously,

01:09:30.820 not on script, not on prompter. And this is what she said. Cloud three.

01:09:35.140 This is just extraordinary testament to the importance of having a president who understands

01:09:44.260 the power of diplomacy and understands the strength that rests in understanding the

01:09:52.340 significance of diplomacy and strengthening alliances. This is an incredible day.

01:09:57.300 She said nothing. She said nothing. However, however, you know, her, her father was a Marxist

01:10:08.900 professor. She grew up in Berkeley. Tell me average Americans, if you voted Democrat, but you've never

01:10:16.580 been like on board, like, Hey, I'm with Hamas. Uh, and you're just a regular Democrat that loves the

01:10:23.300 country. I believe you exist. Uh, but you haven't really popped your head up at all.

01:10:29.620 Does it sound like a good idea that somebody who grew up with a Marxist professor at Berkeley

01:10:38.100 as their dad? And then when says things like, you know, uh, we just have to, uh, if we can unburden

01:10:45.060 ourselves from those things of the past, we'll be able to see the future, whatever that is that that's,

01:10:51.380 you know what she's saying? She's saying, let's just forget about everything we've ever learned.

01:10:57.620 Let's forget about science. Let's forget about all this foreign policy nonsense. Let's, we could just

01:11:04.180 do anything. Let's do anything. You know what? You're a girl and you're a girl and you're a girl

01:11:12.180 and you're a boy, but you can have a baby. No, you can't unburden yourself from the past.

01:11:21.700 You didn't mean you drag it all along, but you use it as a reference from time to time going,

01:11:26.020 wait a minute, didn't we just do that before? Don't unburden yourself. That's a Marxist statement.

01:11:32.960 She is a Marxist. There's an X account called real developments that I reposted it today that

01:11:39.320 tweeted out. Your 401k is getting unburdened from what has been well said. Good point. Um,

01:11:47.240 she was with Joe Biden. I mean, between the two of them, I, does anyone trust them to handle this,

01:11:51.880 the economy, what's happening in the Middle East? I mean, I certainly don't. You've got him looking

01:11:56.360 off into the distance. He has the, the mouth is all of it. She's making no sense with her word salad.

01:12:02.360 And then now some are saying that's not what he was doing, but he boarded the plane that the

01:12:09.000 hostages got off of. And it certainly looked like he may have confused it for his plane.

01:12:15.320 He wanders off from the group. He goes over to the plane. He goes up the short steps in the middle of

01:12:22.360 the plane and he comes out two minutes later. And everyone online was saying, did he think he was

01:12:27.560 getting an air force one? And it's very possible with this man. Then some pushed back, including

01:12:32.200 the white house saying, actually, he just went on board to say hello to those who had remained on

01:12:38.600 the plane. There were some who didn't disembark. I don't believe that. I have to tell you since when

01:12:44.680 did they let the president wander around, uh, an air pay an airport hanger or, uh, uh, an airport in

01:12:51.880 general on the hangar and just randomly go and be without any security force with people on board

01:12:58.520 a plane. I did that just, I don't, that doesn't happen every day. And I think people should be

01:13:04.840 pressing a little harder in response to the white house being like, it was totally planned. It was

01:13:08.600 totally, they're like, Oh, you know, the white house said he was visiting people. And there was

01:13:11.960 a reporter who said, yeah, there were still people on the plane that doesn't speak to it at all.

01:13:15.640 What his intention was. He was lost again. And he has to handle our Dow, the fed Israel, Iran,

01:13:24.360 et cetera, Russia. Uh, by the way, uh, have you, have you read Annie Jacobson's book, nuclear war?

01:13:32.360 No, you need to, or at least have her on. She, it is the most terrifying thing. You know,

01:13:39.880 we haven't thought about nuclear war, at least since I was, aren't I reading and cheating,

01:13:44.680 chasing embers next. That is the Glenn Beck young adult that I want to first chasing embers and

01:13:50.280 then nuclear war. Yes. Well, they both have embers in the storyline. Uh, uh, but it, it,

01:13:57.320 she takes you through minute by minute, what the president has to do from launch from, in this case,

01:14:05.480 it was South Korea or North Korea. Thank God it was North Korea. Uh, and all of the decisions that he has

01:14:12.200 to make in six minutes, there is no way this guy is capable of making those decisions. I don't care

01:14:22.680 if he could run a campaign. He cannot, he can't run the water to take his own bath. He is not capable

01:14:32.920 of being president and all that that means at this time in our nation's history. When will people start

01:14:41.560 bursting this little bubble of theirs of, well, it's always been this way. It'll always be this

01:14:46.440 way. Oh, I don't like him, but it's going to be fine. Are you, what reality do you live in? What,

01:14:53.000 what kind of bubble do you think covers the United States from insanity?

01:14:59.240 Yeah. Who's going to decide whether we want to step in and fight Iran? Who specifically?

01:15:07.880 I want a name, Jake Sullivan. Cause I didn't elect him. No one elected him. And by the way,

01:15:14.520 with this whole nonsense of like, Oh, he just wanted to go on board. Why didn't Kamala go with

01:15:17.960 him? Why did, if that was, if it was like, Hey, don't forget the other people were on board this

01:15:21.240 plane. Why wouldn't she have gone as well? The guy was wandering. He's got a history of wandering and

01:15:25.800 the media has a history of lying to us about the wandering. I just don't, I don't believe it.

01:15:30.520 And speaking of media, Glenn, let me take you to this. It's not just the left wing press,

01:15:35.880 Peggy Noonan, who I have a lot of respect for, but my God, what a just pile of poo in her column

01:15:42.920 this week. She's writing about Kamala Harris. All right. Let me give you an excerpt.

01:15:48.520 She's a born performer. She knows what she's doing when she's campaigning. She's less sure

01:15:55.320 of what she's doing when she's governing, but she gets a race running for the 2020 democratic

01:15:59.880 nomination. She wasn't good at strategy or policy, but the part involving performing and being a public

01:16:05.880 person and speaking with Mary conviction, she gets that and is good at it. She's beautiful.

01:16:11.880 You can't take a bad picture of her, her beauty, plus the social warmth that all who have known her

01:16:18.840 over the years speak of combines to produce her radiance, radiance. It is foolish to make believe

01:16:25.960 this doesn't matter. I love Peggy, but she clearly has missed the reports about the bully.

01:16:32.360 I know. And I believe radiance is what, uh, Charlotte used for Wilbur as well. So

01:16:40.600 I'm sure that's a terrific, these people, it is, I, you know, I remember growing up with the old

01:16:50.260 Soviet union and thinking, how do people believe what Pravda says? How, how is it that these people

01:16:58.180 believe all of these crazy things that we know are not true? Let me add. Okay. So Pravda is here

01:17:04.340 again. It was there in 15, 16, Trump won 2020 was extraordinary because of COVID. But now here we are

01:17:11.300 in 2024, nothing is unusual. The press is running cover for Kamala. Yes. It's going to be another

01:17:16.500 basement campaign, which did work in 2020, but it's a different kind of basement. They allow her not to

01:17:21.360 give interviews, not to debate, not to be one-on-one with the, you know, with a press conference,

01:17:26.500 et cetera. And they try to get us to the point of early voting at which point, you know, the horses

01:17:32.640 left the barn. Republicans have won before Donald Trump won, notwithstanding all of that and more

01:17:38.980 in 16. So how are you feeling about 24? I was feeling good when it was Joe Biden, obviously. Um,

01:17:50.580 but I, after my trip to California, I had a very good friend that I really, really respect.

01:17:56.500 And he just said to me, Glenn, please, do you really think Donald Trump is a good man?

01:18:06.640 And I said, actually, I know him. Um, I've not always been his fan. Um, I don't like some of

01:18:15.540 the things that he does, but yeah, I think he's an extraordinary man who never shows that side

01:18:22.180 because he thinks it shows, uh, weakness and, uh, and it's wrong. And I've talked to his son about

01:18:29.440 just that very thing. And even his son is like, dad, no, you please, when you meet him,

01:18:36.720 he's a very good man. He's a really nice guy. He's a showman. He's, you know, he's the guy who would

01:18:44.280 sit at the end of the bar with a little mustard on their shirt and be like, yeah, I got to tell you

01:18:48.360 what. Uh, and, but that's, that is who he is. Yes. I do believe he is a guy who cares about our

01:18:56.780 country. On the other hand, I don't think that, uh, Kamala or Biden doesn't even know where he is,

01:19:06.420 but, uh, or, or, or Obama actually cares about the country. If it's burdened by what has been,

01:19:14.600 they can see a new utopia that they want to create that none of us have voted for.

01:19:22.500 They can see that. And they like that America, but that requires all of us to change everything.

01:19:30.000 I don't, I don't know how people don't see that, but I really don't think they do. Um,

01:19:35.260 it's going to be close and that's bad because then we turn into Venezuela even more than we

01:19:40.880 already have. Can I tell you something about Trump? This is a small story, but, um, my son

01:19:46.980 has a buddy named Leo, who's a big golfer. He's only 14 and he goes down to Mar-a-Lago and he does

01:19:55.000 some golfing there. And he saw Trump on the golf course and said, Hey, Mr. President, and introduced

01:20:00.780 himself. Well, a few weeks later, he was down there again and he went into the store on Mar-a-Lago

01:20:08.980 property to get something related to golf. And the president was in there. And do you know,

01:20:14.000 Donald Trump remembered his name and said, Hey Leo, how you doing? And they struck up a

01:20:19.540 conversation immediately. I'm sorry, but those, those, you never hear those stories told by like,

01:20:24.620 that's so sweet. It's a 14 year old kid. He doesn't know it's going to be important to him.

01:20:30.420 Biden doesn't, he walks into a room, he doesn't recognize Jill. So I mean,

01:20:35.840 Biden's like, am I Leo? Yeah. And when he's, and you know, I think you should end that story with,

01:20:42.960 and Donald Trump never before or after that sniffed Leo's hair. So,

01:20:50.160 oh my gosh, Glenn, crazy. I don't know. I mean, like it now seems like a really good time to pray

01:20:58.380 for our country and each other. And I'm going to do just that, my friend. It's lovely to see you.

01:21:03.920 Good to see you. Thank you so much. Don't forget to buy the book. Okay. It's called

01:21:07.900 Chasing Embers. It made the New York times young adult hardcover bestseller list. It is quote,

01:21:13.040 an epic story of two teenagers faced with a life altering decision. Do you comply with a tyrannical

01:21:18.840 regime or do you choose freedom and liberty? Sounds like a good thing to have your kid

01:21:24.660 leaf through no chasing embers by Glenn. We're going to be right back with the latest on a key

01:21:30.760 case of lawfare against Donald Trump. That J six case just resumed. And that judge is determined to

01:21:37.860 make something happen. We have Trump's lawyer here next. I'm Megan Kelly, host of the Megan Kelly show

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01:22:44.820 There is movement again in Jack Smith's federal election case against former President Trump.

01:22:50.300 Yes, they're still pursuing that. Just one month after the Supreme Court issued its landmark

01:22:54.280 immunity decision, the lower case, lower course, got the case back and wasted no time restarting

01:23:00.760 things. In a rare weekend decision, Judge Tanya Chutkin not only rejected the Trump legal team's

01:23:06.380 effort to dismiss the case, but she also set up a hearing for next week. Joining me now,

01:23:11.400 one of former President Trump's attorneys in the DC case, John Lauro. He's the owner of Lauro and

01:23:17.080 Singer. John, welcome to the show. Great to have you. Welcome. Good afternoon.

01:23:21.520 So boy, Judge Chutkin, while she's supposed to have been on break, you know, in the pendency of

01:23:26.860 the Supreme Court's decision 30 days after, was writing decisions and getting ready to resume

01:23:30.980 with a fervor against Donald Trump. What did you make of her decision over the weekend,

01:23:35.560 refusing to dismiss it for, well, what was the term? Malicious prosecution?

01:23:41.740 Yeah, I mean, we sort of expected that this case would be put on a fast track again once it came

01:23:47.600 back from the Supreme Court. But the Supreme Court decision was just an outstanding one by Justice

01:23:53.700 Roberts. And it was really brilliantly written. I know that President Biden has criticized it and

01:23:59.000 been trying to politicize this issue and really attacked the Supreme Court unfairly. But we think

01:24:06.220 this opinion was was sound, certainly supported by the Constitution. And most importantly, it protects

01:24:13.340 the presidency in times of great challenges and enormous issues, both domestically and internationally.

01:24:20.820 So it was a great decision. We we also had previously moved to dismiss on the grounds of selective

01:24:27.900 prosecution, because objecting to an election is something that Democrats have done for years,

01:24:35.680 and it's never been prosecuted. We wanted to preserve that issue. As you mentioned, the judge

01:24:41.860 did not agree with our position. But again, that's something that ultimately could be decided going up

01:24:48.620 on appeal. But right now we're focused on executive immunity. That's the main issue that the court has to

01:24:54.460 deal with. And as you mentioned, we'll be back in front of the judge on August 16.

01:25:00.740 So the problem that Jack Smith, the prosecutor has, he has a couple problems. Number one, he's got the

01:25:05.560 immunity decision, and that may greatly affect the J6 case, which, you know, it was decided in the

01:25:10.580 Florida case that Trump was immune. But it may affect the J6 case, too. It's also a federal case,

01:25:15.600 same prosecutor. So it's very possible Trump will be immune in the J6 case, too, for a large portion of

01:25:21.180 the acts he's accused of. Secondly, Jack Smith is the same federal prosecutor in both cases,

01:25:27.480 and he was DQ'd down there because she said you didn't have proper authority to bring this case.

01:25:33.400 You're not you're not a constitutional officer with the, you know, the blessing of any anyone in the U.S.

01:25:40.500 Senate or the president specifically. So what's going to happen next? Because I think most Trump fans

01:25:46.860 were hoping the J6 case would go away for one or both of those reasons, but it hasn't.

01:25:52.420 There's a number of issues that the court will have to decide. The first one, which you've identified,

01:25:58.100 is whether or not Jack Smith is a legitimate prosecutor and whether or not his appointment

01:26:03.580 is in accordance with the Constitution. Justice Thomas recently wrote a concurring opinion

01:26:09.340 in the U.S. v. Trump case where he said that Jack Smith is not a legitimate prosecutor

01:26:14.640 because he was not confirmed by the Senate. He didn't go through that vetting process.

01:26:19.900 And moreover, his appointment violates the Appropriations Clause since he can spend a lot

01:26:25.760 of money without any congressional approval. So that issue is also going to be important

01:26:31.940 in the Washington, D.C. case. There's an appellate decision that's against us in Washington.

01:26:38.120 On the other hand, there's no such opinion like that in Florida. So we may have a situation

01:26:45.060 where we have two competing courts making different decisions on whether or not the prosecutor is

01:26:51.980 legitimate, believe it or not. And in that situation, ultimately, it may be up to the Supreme

01:26:57.180 Court to determine whether or not we even have a legitimate prosecutor, one who's able to prosecute a

01:27:02.240 case. But now what about immunity? Because the court found that a president has immunity for a whole

01:27:10.640 host of acts, his core constitutional duties and some of his official acts. And now the dirty work

01:27:18.020 of figuring out what he's accused of in this J6 case begins. The legal team admitted at argument

01:27:26.380 some of the things he's accused of are not official acts. They gave a few of those away.

01:27:33.500 And I know Andy McCarthy's been saying all along, why wouldn't Jack Smith just reindict the case with

01:27:38.600 just those few items? Because you and I both know he's desperate to get a trial, if not before November,

01:27:44.760 then at least before January. So why wouldn't he just do that?

01:27:48.240 I can't speak for Jack Smith, but I think if if he did that, there would still be issues relating to

01:27:58.480 executive immunity that would have to be developed and decided by Judge Chutkin, who I believe will follow

01:28:05.400 what the Supreme Court has indicated. So the chances of a trial before November are non-existent.

01:28:13.160 That's just not going to happen. If if Jack Smith decides to get a new indictment, that's something

01:28:19.180 we'd have to deal with. But the bottom line is that the most important issue right now is the is the

01:28:25.080 parameters of executive immunity. The reality is that a lot of government officials, judges, prosecutors,

01:28:33.240 police officers have degrees of immunity. That's nothing new in the law. What the Supreme Court said

01:28:39.680 is based on our Constitution. We have to give similar protection to a president. So a president

01:28:45.920 is not restricted in some way from acting appropriately in exercising his executive

01:28:52.100 function. And the Supreme Court, I think, struck a brilliant balance on how to do that. So as you say,

01:28:57.440 Megan, some issues are absolutely immune. For example, when the president is faithfully executing the laws,

01:29:03.720 when he or she is engaging in some kind of foreign activity, all of that is immune. There's other areas

01:29:11.040 that might be presumptively immune when a president makes policy statements or is using the bully pulpit.

01:29:17.240 And then there's areas that are completely not immune, which are personal acts. You know,

01:29:23.680 President Clinton lying during deposition and a civil deposition. That's that's personal.

01:29:28.260 So all of those things have to be sorted out. But as you say, it's going to be a massive undertaking

01:29:34.480 over the next several weeks or several months, candidly. So what is likely to happen? Because

01:29:40.960 we've been watching and wondering all along because Jack Smith seems so determined, and frankly,

01:29:46.740 so does Tanya Chutkin, the judge, to get some sort of verdict against Trump ASAP.

01:29:53.800 So what's likely to happen next? Is there a realistic chance that they could get something

01:30:00.680 tried? Some either a slimmed down reindicted case, or they're talking now about like a mini trial

01:30:10.500 where they would just be parading terrible witnesses for Trump in front of the judge for

01:30:16.340 the next few weeks. Just to remind people January 6th was bad, just in case you didn't know it was bad.

01:30:21.040 It was super, super bad. And Donald Trump is bad, too. What are the odds of either one of those

01:30:26.140 things taking place before November? And then let's do the expanded before January, because I know

01:30:35.100 there's been speculation that he won't stop. If Trump wins, that won't stop him. He'll continue

01:30:41.160 trying to get a guilty verdict before he's sworn in.

01:30:44.200 That's a lot to address, but you've hit all the important points, because number one, there are

01:30:52.680 Democratic operatives out there. Many of them are former federal prosecutors like I am, who are

01:30:58.580 making really, I think, outrageous statements and unfair statements suggesting that there should be a

01:31:04.900 mini trial to try to embarrass President Trump in some way and use it as an October surprise in the

01:31:12.040 election cycle, which I think would be totally inappropriate and adverse to every principle

01:31:16.480 of the Department of Justice policy. And then there are other Democratic operatives, including,

01:31:22.500 you know, a congressman, Raskin, who's saying he wants to take this all the way to January 6th,

01:31:29.560 2025. And when President Trump wins the election, he wants to challenge that election

01:31:34.680 in Congress. So we're dealing with political operatives that very much want to use the court

01:31:42.380 system to their advantage. I believe that our judge will follow the mandate of the Supreme Court,

01:31:50.720 which was very clear, the court was very clear, that these issues have to be dealt with deliberately,

01:31:57.120 carefully and transparently. And there's no rush to judgment here. So there's a lot of issues that need

01:32:02.640 to be decided, a lot of issues as to whether or not an act is an official act or an unofficial act,

01:32:08.640 but it's got to be handled within the four corners of the Supreme Court's decision and not based on any

01:32:15.060 political agenda. What is striking here is that traditionally, the Department of Justice has not

01:32:21.540 taken any action during a campaign season that might influence an election. So I'll be interested to see

01:32:28.620 what the department's position is, or I should say, the special counsel's position is with respect to

01:32:34.220 whether or not they want to litigate during a campaign season. But candidly, that's the reason

01:32:39.880 why a special counsel should be vetted in the Senate and subject to Senate confirmation.

01:32:47.620 So senators can ask these types of questions. Are you going to use your power for some kind of

01:32:54.440 political process? Are you going to use it in accordance with the Department of Justice

01:32:59.080 guidelines? Or are you going to do something different? None of that was true.

01:33:02.960 I think I know the answer to this. I think the answer is it's, you know, pedal to the metal

01:33:07.400 to get Trump. That's obviously been their goal all along. But can I ask you, because Judge

01:33:12.060 Shutkin has been going along with it. She seems very excited and gung-ho to keep going as fast as

01:33:16.780 possible. She even said she would cancel her European vacation if necessary to try the case.

01:33:21.860 Um, but she's just gotten her hand slapped by her big, big bosses, not just the ones right above

01:33:30.060 her, but the ones who have the ultimate say on all matters legal. Those nine justices are at least

01:33:34.120 six of them, which is a majority, um, who said this cannot be rushed through. They basically said what

01:33:40.980 you just said, that this must be a deliberative process. And it wasn't it like she didn't do it.

01:33:46.980 So now, do you think realistically, she could fast roll it through to some version of a trial

01:33:54.440 between now and January? Well, you're never going to get me to criticize the judge that

01:33:59.360 I'm appearing before. So I'm not going to do that. But what I will say-

01:34:03.000 Just talk to me about her possibilities, her possibility, you know, objectively, what could

01:34:06.640 she do? What I will say, first of all, I think she's going to scrupulously follow the Supreme

01:34:12.140 Court decision. And what the Supreme Court said is that we need a full record before we can make this

01:34:18.500 call. This is the first time in our nation's history that there's been a prosecution like

01:34:24.940 this. So we're in uncharted waters, but the Supreme Court said very clearly, we want to do this

01:34:30.620 deliberatively. What we need is a full and complete record that we can look at to make these decisions.

01:34:38.100 So undoubtedly, this case is going to be back before the Supreme Court at some point

01:34:44.360 with a full record. The difference is that when you had the J-6 committee, no one cross-examined

01:34:51.220 any of the witnesses. It was political theater.

01:34:54.720 What do you mean? Adam Kinzinger was there. Liz Cheney was there, John.

01:34:58.120 Well, you know, they didn't have me there, Megan. They didn't have me cross-examining.

01:35:02.020 So it's going to be a different environment. But the one thing that I'm struck by in litigating

01:35:09.860 this case for a year is everything that Jack Smith wants and Jack Smith gets turns out to be

01:35:17.020 beneficial to President Trump running for president. So we'll see what he asks for next. I don't know what

01:35:24.440 that's going to be. But if it's a hearing, we'll certainly be prepared for it. But suffice it to say,

01:35:32.000 that this time around, there will be thorough and complete cross-examination, even if it gets to

01:35:38.080 that point. I've got less than a minute left, but I got to ask you this. It seems to me the lawfare

01:35:42.700 campaign has been a disaster for the Democrats and the prosecutors. In a nutshell, why do you think

01:35:48.740 that is? Well, I think what Americans want is for this election to be decided in the ballot box,

01:35:57.180 not in a jury box. And I think Americans are looking forward, not backward. And they really

01:36:03.120 want the issues to be discussed rather than legal cases that somehow take candidates off the campaign

01:36:11.740 trail. So I think the bottom line is that many Americans feel that President Trump has been treated

01:36:18.820 unfairly in these proceedings. When you look at what happened in New York, when you look at what

01:36:23.780 happened in Georgia, there's a real sense that the state and local prosecutors are simply using

01:36:31.540 these cases for political purposes, and they're just not comfortable with that.

01:36:36.780 Mm-hmm. So much so that it makes me wonder whether they really will pursue them hard

01:36:41.380 because they've just blown up so badly in terms of public opinion. John, thank you. It's great to

01:36:47.760 have you on. Please come back. Thank you. Good to see you.

01:36:50.720 All the best. And tomorrow, we're staying in the legal arena with Supreme Court Justice Neil

01:36:55.880 Gorsuch on the show. How about that? Very cool. Don't miss that.

01:37:01.940 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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