The Megyn Kelly Show - Victor Davis Hanson on Defunding the Police, Woke Warriors, and the State of the Biden Presidency ｜ Ep. 122

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00:00:30.540 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:42.700 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:46.420 Victor Davis Hanson. Need I say more? You're going to love this.

00:00:52.040 If for no other reason, stay tuned for Victor on what's happening with the woke-ification of our military.

00:00:59.160 That's one minute away.

00:01:05.040 Victor, wonderful to have you back.

00:01:07.020 Thank you for having me, Megyn.

00:01:08.720 There's so much I want to go over with you.

00:01:10.220 Let's start with the crime, with the crime spree that we're seeing.

00:01:13.980 The latest stats, New York Times' sample of 37 cities for the first three months of this year saw 18% increase in murders year over year.

00:01:23.320 In Philly, as of mid-June, 238 homicides up from 179 at the same point last year.

00:01:28.960 New York City, as of June 6th, 191 homicides up from 162 last year.

00:01:35.080 687 shootings up from 409 same time last year.

00:01:39.260 They say that's a 77% increase.

00:01:41.600 L.A., 148 homicides by last week up from 121 the same time last year.

00:01:46.920 And the message from our leaders right now is, let me start with Jen Psaki from the Biden administration.

00:01:55.320 She is blaming Republicans for not bailing out states that chose to defund their own police departments.

00:02:05.320 Here's Jen Psaki. 1.00

00:02:06.720 Part of his announcement is taking steps to do exactly that.

00:02:09.520 But part of his announcement is also ensuring there's specific guidance to communities across the country to ensure that they have funding to get more community police around the country.

00:02:19.580 Something that was supported by the American Jobs Plan that was supported, that was voted into law by Democrats just a couple of months ago.

00:02:26.640 Some might say that the other party was for defunding the police.

00:02:29.460 I'll let others say that, but that's a piece.

00:02:31.420 No, no sane person would say that.

00:02:33.540 No, these cities defunded the police.

00:02:36.280 Now they're reaping the results and they're quietly starting to refund the police.

00:02:41.580 We talked about that in our last episode without acknowledging their deadly mistake.

00:02:45.900 And Biden, seeing the problem politically and otherwise, decided to say that they could use some of the covid relief he he, quote, gave them, you know, the people's money to refund their police departments.

00:02:57.840 And the Republicans have objected, saying that's not a slush fund to refund state budgets that was supposed to go for covid relief.

00:03:05.740 And her response is the Republicans are to blame for defunding the cops. 0.92

00:03:09.820 Yeah, I think, Megan, they're in full panic mode because this is analogous to the open border.

00:03:15.160 And by that, I mean the optics are terrible.

00:03:17.780 The culpability is clear whose fault it was.

00:03:20.700 And it's not pulling well with their constituencies, the swing suburban voters, the inner city voter.

00:03:27.080 And they can't afford to lose those rubrics.

00:03:30.040 So they're in a but they're also in a dilemma, paradox, because once they start to talk about refunding the police, getting more cops on the beat to stop this, then they bump into their foundation or their base, the AOC people who don't don't want that.

00:03:47.000 So now they don't know what to do.

00:03:48.140 When I say that, not cynically, remember, all summer, we heard mayors, for example, Minneapolis, I think it was the mayor of Minneapolis say that, well, you know, the precinct went up in flames, it was just brick and mortar property really doesn't matter.

00:04:01.860 And we had the mayor, do you remember her of Washington, Jenny Durkham said, you know, yeah, they occupied a whole section of downtown, but it's a summer of love.

00:04:10.480 And then we had, I think it was four or five years ago, Mayor Rawlings in Baltimore said, we gave every group space, even those who wanted to burn, we gave them space here in California.

00:04:22.880 We've had in the Fresno area where I live out in the country, we've had a 350% increase over the first five months of last year in murders.

00:04:32.680 So it's not just these major cities, it's everywhere.

00:04:35.260 And we have a DA of LA County, a DA of San Francisco, Mr. Gascon and Boudin, who don't really believe in deterrence.

00:04:44.080 They don't believe in that age old human trait that criminals are very, can be very intelligent people.

00:04:50.800 And they make a cost to benefit analysis, whether or not to commit a crime.

00:04:54.800 In other words, what are the chances of me gaining money or revenge or psychic thrill versus punishment?

00:05:01.340 And they, the criminal has come down on the side that throughout the United States now, whether for a variety of reasons, there is no deterrent.

00:05:09.820 And so they're on a crime spree.

00:05:11.280 Sometimes it's, they think it's ideological.

00:05:13.840 14,000 people arrested last summer for rioting.

00:05:16.980 Almost none of them were arrested, prosecuted, convicted and put in jail.

00:05:22.760 Or ideological race space where they feel that people, because of race or poverty, get exemptions from the full force of the law.

00:05:31.940 But we've lost deterrence.

00:05:33.360 And when you don't lose that, then it's wide open.

00:05:36.020 We're leaving.

00:05:36.800 It's survival of the fittest, a war of everybody against everybody, so to speak.

00:05:42.020 And New York is a mess.

00:05:43.560 It's why Eric Adams, the former cop, a black man, appears to be winning or have won.

00:05:49.140 It's unclear, but is on track, I guess you could say, to win the mayoral race.

00:05:53.460 One of the only candidates who said, I don't want to defund the cops.

00:05:57.260 That's insane.

00:05:58.380 That's not what we should be doing.

00:06:00.000 And yet the congresswoman from the Bronx, AOC, is confronted with the crime wave happening in New York City, which is trying to rebuild from this COVID madness. 0.79

00:06:10.300 It doesn't need a crime spree right now on top of everything else.

00:06:14.000 And her response was, look, let's not get hysterical.

00:06:19.420 OK, don't don't don't let the numbers drive a hysteria.

00:06:23.160 Here she is.

00:06:24.260 We are seeing these headlines about percentage increases.

00:06:27.680 Now, I want to say that any amount of harm is unacceptable and too much.

00:06:32.460 But I also want to make sure that this hysteria, you know, that this doesn't drive a hysteria and that we look at these numbers in context so that we can make responsible decisions about what to allocate in that context.

00:06:47.440 Yes, we should make responsible decisions, which she did for herself.

00:06:51.980 Victor, Glenn Greenwald pointed out.

00:06:54.480 She says this after she voted present people like Ilhan Omar opposed Nancy Pelosi's plan to preserve a two billion dollar increase.

00:07:04.640 She wanted a two billion dollar increase in capital police protection that would protect AOC and Ilhan Omar and others.

00:07:11.160 Ilhan Omar said no.

00:07:12.260 She to her credit.

00:07:13.780 I mean, for what it's worth, she's consistent in her hatred for the cops.

00:07:17.640 AOC, when it's her skin on the line, says, OK, that I'm in favor of.

00:07:22.880 And by the way, in New York City, she said it right before a 21 year old tourist was shot in Times Square, broad daylight outside the Marriott.

00:07:31.800 If you've ever gone to a theater in New York, the Marriott is a main, main hotel right in the middle of everything.

00:07:37.640 He's walking there with his family doing nothing.

00:07:39.980 The guy gets shot and AOC is telling us not to get hysterical.

00:07:44.160 Yeah, they always use she used the word.

00:07:46.080 We have to think of the context.

00:07:47.680 That's like Kamala Harris saying we have to think of the root causes.

00:07:50.720 These are cosmic abstract forces.

00:07:52.460 They never define.

00:07:53.960 They never give us any detail about.

00:07:55.660 They never give us any cause of effect, how these context or root causes affect, because they can't.

00:08:02.000 Because human nature being what it is, deep down inside, they know that they have given messages, both explicit and implicit, to people that if you commit a crime, there will not be consequences.

00:08:13.880 And a lot of people are taking them up on that bargain.

00:08:16.740 And so it's now out of control.

00:08:19.380 And yet their social justice ideology says, well, you know, maybe looting or theft is not really a crime.

00:08:26.880 And I'm not being hysterical here.

00:08:28.800 Do you remember Hannah Nicole Jones during the June riots?

00:08:32.720 Well, why is everybody getting mad?

00:08:35.140 Looting and theft is not violence.

00:08:37.600 It's not violence.

00:08:38.760 It's crime against property.

00:08:40.360 But it's not really, shouldn't be illegal.

00:08:41.940 She was, it's redistribution is what she was essentially saying.

00:08:44.860 So they have, on one level, they have their elites that are trying to contextualize the crime.

00:08:51.140 On the other level, they have the establishment, what's left of it, of the Democratic Party, who understand that these are terrible optics.

00:08:58.360 And that their own constituencies will say, you know, at some point, life's not sustainable in New York or in Chicago or in Baltimore.

00:09:07.140 But, you know, another final thing, Megan, is that I think people forget how influential cities like New York were under Giuliani and even Bloomberg in that they established a paradigm, whether it was stop and frisk or broken windows or stopping the squishy guys washing your window on the traffic that other departments emulated.

00:09:27.480 And that was the national brand or model.

00:09:29.500 And once that was rejected and stopped and discredited, then all of these other police departments followed in step.

00:09:37.780 And so it's been a ripple effect throughout the country.

00:09:41.440 And I don't know, all of these things stop when they start to affect the architects of these ideologies.

00:09:49.480 In other words, when they can no longer avoid the ramifications of their own ideology.

00:09:53.720 I mean, Nancy Pelosi has a walled estate in Napa. 0.90

00:09:58.080 Dianne Feinstein just selling her $41 million estate in Lake Tahoe.

00:10:02.560 She's got a big one in Presidio Heights.

00:10:04.520 I think she moved to Pacific Heights.

00:10:06.480 Mark Zuckerberg's building a 57,000 square foot home in Hawaii with a big wall around it.

00:10:12.600 So they think that they have ways of protecting themselves from the erosion of civilization around them, which is partly due to their own bromides.

00:10:22.140 But eventually it'll catch up to them.

00:10:24.200 Nobody escapes an open border.

00:10:26.240 Nobody escapes inflation.

00:10:28.140 Nobody escapes criminality.

00:10:30.060 Finally affects the elite that kind of winked and nodded and thought it was amusing in the beginning, at least.

00:10:36.300 Well, I certainly hope you're right.

00:10:37.780 I mean, not that I'm wishing anybody to get hurt.

00:10:40.700 But if you're going to push these policies that hurt people who don't have the walls around them,

00:10:44.540 you should walk a mile in their shoes and see why they're against this.

00:10:48.860 You know, the black community, they don't favor defunding the police at all.

00:10:52.480 You've got out in Oakland, California.

00:10:55.720 You're in California. 0.90

00:10:56.660 Out in Oakland, California, there's a black police chief.

00:10:59.100 He's the first black police chief to have been born and raised in Oakland.

00:11:02.260 And they just defunded the cops out there to, I think, the tune of $17 million.

00:11:06.100 And this guy came out.

00:11:07.540 His name is, hold on, Leron Armstrong.

00:11:10.520 He's angry.

00:11:12.460 He's like...

00:11:14.540 You know, the folks here in New York who have been objecting to this, like Eric Adams, saying, this is insane.

00:11:19.660 Listen to him.

00:11:20.580 I want to address a comment that was made by one of our city leaders during these budget meetings.

00:11:27.040 It was referred to as a bump in a row, a speed bump, that we would go through a period where there would be speed bumps.

00:11:36.860 And there would be challenges.

00:11:39.340 And things may not go right.

00:11:42.080 But we would be OK.

00:11:43.780 Well, for me, those speed bumps are 65 lives so far this year.

00:11:50.780 Far too often in these meetings, we are talking about numbers.

00:11:56.740 We are talking about money and cost.

00:12:00.240 I don't know what the cost of a life is.

00:12:03.340 But I know not having resources makes our city less safe.

00:12:07.720 Saturday night, I went out to a scene of a young man that lost his life.

00:12:15.320 And a lady yelled out the window, do something about it, without the resources. 1.00

00:12:23.960 It makes it challenging to make Oakland safe.

00:12:26.920 When the yellow tape is gone and when the streets are cleaned up, there is still hurt and pain and tragedy in our community.

00:12:36.440 I hope that we can put politics aside and put public safety first.

00:12:43.440 The city council voted seven to two to defund the police budget by 17 million.

00:12:49.900 They want, instead, to deploy teams of crisis workers to de-escalate situations instead of armed officers.

00:12:58.580 You tell me, Victor.

00:12:59.900 I'm thinking about that Micaiah, the girl who the police shot as she almost stabbed the other woman in the heart.

00:13:06.500 Yes.

00:13:06.860 You tell me whether you'd rather see a crisis worker show up, Micaiah Bryant, a crisis worker show up, or a cop with a gun who had one option and managed to stop a murder.

00:13:19.000 Yeah.

00:13:19.280 The police chief is speaking, though, Megan.

00:13:21.600 He's admirable, but he's not speaking because suddenly he woke up one moment and decided he was going to change his ideology, although he may have secretly wanted to.

00:13:31.500 He's doing it because people in that community are telling him privately, life cannot go on as it is.

00:13:38.500 Remember that when I meant that no one escapes the consequences of their ideology, Gavin Newsom, our governor, was walking on the street in Oakland about a week ago, and a homeless person jumped him, despite all the security, and tried to knock him down and assaulted him.

00:13:54.120 And he was shocked at that.

00:13:56.740 I've spoken in Piedmont, in the hills above Oakland.

00:13:59.540 And I can guarantee you that if you drive up and a person asked me to speak at a private home, I didn't get more than three blocks into Piedmont.

00:14:08.340 Then I was pulled over by a security, private security policeman.

00:14:11.760 And then I was asked where I was going, what's the address, what was the name, they called the person.

00:14:17.440 And so those people on the hills above what the chief is talking about are terrified.

00:14:23.040 And they're sort of like people in 5th century Rome AD, when it was starting to crumble, that they had their own security forces.

00:14:31.340 And the governor is not immune.

00:14:33.600 Nobody's immune, ultimately, when it gets to this point, I don't think.

00:14:37.940 And it's starting to get to this point.

00:14:39.320 And I think that's the Republican, if they're wise, this and an open border will be their two great issues and critical race theory.

00:14:49.340 And they're all connected in one way or another as identity politics and nullification of a law.

00:14:54.660 But I don't see how the Democrats run on any of these issues that they've embraced.

00:14:58.920 There's no public support and they can't renounce them or they can't really blame the Republicans, as we talked about earlier, because they have so many mayors and governors and activists and people within their own party that wanted this to happen and said that crime was not really crime.

00:15:16.120 It was an ideological form of oppression or it was a relative construct or it was just a manifestation of the values of the wealthy imposed on the poor and the people of color.

00:15:26.360 So they got what they wanted, but now apparently they feel that they don't really want it because it's not a pathway to the retention of power.

00:15:35.000 All we hear about is, you know, how we need to get rid of bail.

00:15:39.100 And, of course, they got rid of stop and frisk because they said that was racist.

00:15:42.160 A court found that it was as well.

00:15:44.000 And you wrote in a recent piece, but you say progressives obsess over those things, but, quote,

00:15:49.300 They have little concern for keeping the streets safe for the young, the elderly, the weak, the inner city poor and the vulnerable from the attacks of history's archetypical predator, the unbound young male between 15 and 40.

00:16:03.700 I mean, that's all of our focus.

00:16:06.080 All of our focus has been on the alleged criminals and none on the victims.

00:16:12.280 We they just don't seem to count.

00:16:14.860 Black Lives Matter doesn't go out there and protest the number of dead in Chicago thanks to the spiking crime right there or Baltimore or elsewhere.

00:16:21.600 And it's not just them.

00:16:22.880 It's the progressive wing, you know, the very progressive wing of the Democrat Party.

00:16:27.500 No one's covering this.

00:16:28.640 And when it does bubble up, there's no accountability.

00:16:31.240 As I pointed out, Psaki blames the Republicans.

00:16:33.960 They they where they're where they're refunding police.

00:16:36.140 They're doing it quietly.

00:16:36.940 And I've heard you talk about this, too, on other circumstances.

00:16:40.120 You know, it came out.

00:16:41.660 Trump didn't order tear gas used on protesters outside of the White House.

00:16:45.800 The military generals who said the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation.

00:16:50.840 Where's their apology?

00:16:51.780 Why haven't they come out and acknowledged that that was B.S.?

00:16:54.620 They fed us on and on.

00:16:56.320 It goes where these lies are told that have a real impact, whether it's on an election or a community and its safety and then no accountability.

00:17:03.940 I think also it's innate to leftism.

00:17:06.200 That is the neo-socialist or Marxist.

00:17:09.080 I don't want to call people Marxist, but that is historically kind of a signature of leftism.

00:17:14.680 And that is that you look for cosmic resets, recalibrations, revolutions of entire societies.

00:17:21.820 And then you don't really worry about the effect on little people, partly because you're part of the nomenclatura and you can avoid them. 0.99

00:17:28.840 Get your dock on the Black Sea in the case of the Russians. 0.97

00:17:31.420 But or the Maoists as well.

00:17:34.000 They had they had exemptions, but they're not interested in people.

00:17:37.580 They're interested in the abstraction of humanity.

00:17:40.680 And so you can see it everywhere.

00:17:41.780 You can see when John Kerry says, well, I have to use my carbon spewing wife's private jet because I have to win the battle of climate change.

00:17:49.440 Now, you can't.

00:17:50.200 You've got to go on to a subway and live densely packed and give up your car.

00:17:55.580 Remember, he moved his yacht from Massachusetts to Rhode Island because he didn't want to pay the taxes that he supported increasing.

00:18:05.200 And Al Gore sold his TV station to Al Jazeera, a carbon industry that fuels that to gutter.

00:18:13.680 And then he did it to try to beat the new capital gains increases.

00:18:17.200 So all of these people try to promote these cosmic ideas for us, but they have a parachute for themselves and they and they feel that we're collateral damage.

00:18:28.660 So if you try to tell a progressive, when you guys open the border, you're causing you're empowering the cartels, you're getting children to come on a company, you're you're encouraging criminals to prey on the innocent.

00:18:42.200 And then you're using the very facilities that Barack Obama created.

00:18:46.160 And then you called for four years cages and then suddenly they were on name and no longer cages.

00:18:52.300 But people suffer and they will suffer.

00:18:54.280 Americans will suffer. 0.99

00:18:55.900 Mexicans will suffer. 1.00

00:18:56.920 So simple. 0.97

00:18:57.740 But they don't really care because they feel, well, you know what?

00:19:00.440 We don't believe in borders in the abstract.

00:19:02.160 We want to create we create the demography to make a more socially just society.

00:19:06.620 And that's that's what's so frightening about them, because they have that humanitarian veneer or that phony.

00:19:14.600 We we care about you, but they don't.

00:19:16.600 They don't care about the victims of crime or the innocent or shot or killed or the people who won't set foot in Chicago.

00:19:23.880 So Michelle Obama can give all the, you know, neat, snarky lecture she wants about she worries about her daughters walking out as if they're going to be preyed upon by white supremacists. 1.00

00:19:33.200 But the fact of the matter is she does not want to go back to Chicago and live.

00:19:38.560 And I don't blame her where 700 African-American males were murdered last year and more this year are going to be murdered than that.

00:19:46.020 But tragically, and there's going to be a lot of innocent people shot in a crossfire.

00:19:50.100 It's much better to live in Martha's Vineyard or Colorado in Washington and then give lectures about a racist America in which, you know, she lives around mostly, I hate to say it, wealthy white people. 1.00

00:20:03.420 And yet she's suggesting they're the problem.

00:20:05.940 But she's not suggesting they're the problem, because if you look at what she does rather than what she says, and I could go on and on about LeBron James criticizing the policeman.

00:20:15.140 And you mentioned earlier about the stabbing and his security detail or prominent NBA star the other day was robbed in his.

00:20:23.380 So I think it was his Hollywood's Hills home, $150,000 taken from this person, very angry about it.

00:20:31.280 And I think what happens with these, I think these revolutionary movements, they reach a peak and then either it's not gradual.

00:20:39.760 When they get to that peak, it's not gradual either way, going up or down.

00:20:43.200 Finally, people either stop it as they did in the French Revolution with the Jacobins. 0.53

00:20:47.660 And they said, you know what?

00:20:48.900 We're not going to allow the D18 to go on.

00:20:50.980 And if we're going to, if it's going to exist, it's going to exist for you.

00:20:54.100 You're going to line up first and they stop it or they don't stop it.

00:20:58.040 And then the Bolsheviks take over. 0.82

00:21:00.200 But we're still talking about minority movements, minority in the sense of 10 or 15 percent of the people support this.

00:21:07.060 But it doesn't really matter if they can convince people they're the majority.

00:21:10.400 And they do because they have control of social media, corporate boardrooms, the mainstream media, professional sports, the campus.

00:21:19.740 K through 12.

00:21:21.780 But those are megaphones, but they don't represent the majority of people.

00:21:25.980 Up next, it turns out that they're offering Ibram X.

00:21:30.060 Kendi books for our military men and women to read now.

00:21:33.260 Critical race theory making its way into our armed services.

00:21:37.540 Why?

00:21:38.300 What does this mean?

00:21:39.360 And is it part of a much larger, more disturbing pattern?

00:21:42.520 Do not miss, Victor, on that next.

00:21:44.480 You mentioned Oprah, you mentioned LeBron, Michelle Obama, Meghan Markle's another one.

00:21:52.000 And you had written, quote, they hype charges of white racism because their oppression reminds America that one can become very rich yet remain a sympathetic victim.

00:22:01.540 And you wrote about Ibram X.

00:22:04.920 Kendi, a.k.a.

00:22:06.840 Ibram Henry Rogers and Robin DiAngelo, and said that you concluded as follows, quote, America is systematically being conned by those who disguise their hypocrisy, who manipulate the guilt ridden, who have no interest in solving America's most dangerous problems and who get or stay richer by hyping an America in need of massive rebooting.

00:22:29.860 And with it, their own careerist remedies.

00:22:33.840 Right.

00:22:34.020 So the folks who are the loudest on this tend to be the most successful people and or those who are actively making money off of these lies they tell about the United States.

00:22:45.980 Yeah, absolutely.

00:22:46.840 I think people forget that Barack Obama did two things.

00:22:51.720 I know that the left is angry at him now and they feel that he didn't get the progressive movement going quite like Joe Biden's surrogates have.

00:23:00.580 But he did two things that we have underappreciated.

00:23:03.540 First, he redefined race in America. 0.62

00:23:06.600 Race was essentially African-Americans and non-African-Americans. 0.91

00:23:10.840 And there were historic, you know, slavery, Jim Crow, and the country was trying to deal with that through the civil rights movement.

00:23:19.200 And it didn't really involve people that were immigrants from India or didn't really involve people who came in from Brazil or even people from Mexico.

00:23:27.200 It was a uniquely American problem when we were dealing with it. 0.99

00:23:31.160 But Obama said, no, no, it's diversity.

00:23:34.880 It's not anything other than being white. 0.94

00:23:37.820 If you were non-white to the degree anybody can define themselves, then you are not 12 percent of the population.

00:23:44.320 You're 30 percent and you're a growing demographic and you have historical claims against an endemic racial society. 1.00

00:23:51.880 And what he did, second, to further that aim, he got rid of all notions of class.

00:23:57.020 So suddenly I noticed in the academic world there were these fakers that would come with PhDs from the University of Buenos Aires, blonde and blue eyes. 1.00

00:24:04.880 But they'd trill their R's and they, you know, they spoke Spanish and they were victims.

00:24:08.940 And then we would have these people coming from the wealthiest families in the Punjab and immigrating.

00:24:13.540 And they were victims.

00:24:14.920 And then I would have in the university a Nigerian professor.

00:24:18.780 He was a victim that came.

00:24:20.840 And then I would know people I went to high school with, the predominantly Mexican-American.

00:24:25.520 And by the time, you know, the last 15 years, they were in the second and third generation.

00:24:30.320 They didn't speak Spanish.

00:24:31.280 They were upper middle class.

00:24:32.480 Suddenly they were victims.

00:24:33.700 And that was what diversity was.

00:24:36.260 And it got rid of class.

00:24:37.380 So what we have now is this absurdity where Opa is going to be a victim for the rest of her life.

00:24:43.500 She can have a private plane.

00:24:44.860 She can have a $90 million.

00:24:45.900 But she's not white.

00:24:47.100 Therefore, she's a victim.

00:24:48.720 There's no class considerations.

00:24:50.360 And who's going to be the bogeyman? 0.97

00:24:52.520 He's going to be that white high school dropout on a forklift in Bakersfield because he's white. 0.99

00:24:59.120 Nobody cares about his class.

00:25:00.720 He was born, say, in 1965.

00:25:03.220 He got no affirmative action.

00:25:04.720 He got no special consideration. 0.98

00:25:07.080 The elite white hate his guts for a variety of reasons. 0.99

00:25:10.080 Snobbery, one of them. 0.97

00:25:11.600 And he had no privilege.

00:25:13.620 And yet he's the mythical oppressor.

00:25:16.280 And LeBron and the Obamas are the mythical victim.

00:25:19.940 So that's a lot of it.

00:25:22.180 The class is really important in America.

00:25:24.620 It always was.

00:25:25.600 Not in the revolutionary sense, but it's where we should be trying to help people.

00:25:30.240 Instead, we've substituted race in a very fluid society.

00:25:34.260 And we've got a lot of people who claim they're not white.

00:25:38.060 I don't know how we determine that other than the DNA badges.

00:25:41.480 But they're very affluent.

00:25:43.500 And they're suddenly victims.

00:25:44.920 So let's stick with that guy, that guy you mentioned.

00:25:48.000 So this is one of my concerns about this crazy movement, critical race theory and the messaging

00:25:52.620 coming all the way from the top down, is that it's going to create more racism, more division,

00:26:00.380 more hatred.

00:26:01.280 It's going to create hatred. 0.98

00:26:02.420 That guy who's had no advantages in his life whatsoever and is busting his butt every

00:26:07.000 day, he's not only being told you'll get no advantages and you'll get no help getting

00:26:12.220 your kid into college, you'll get nothing.

00:26:14.080 He's being told he's the problem.

00:26:15.760 He's he by virtue of his skin color and his gender, he is the walking problem. 1.00

00:26:22.320 And on top of that, he's supposed to sit back and take it and just sort of shrug and accept 0.96

00:26:27.580 the anti-white racism that is growing in this country.

00:26:33.320 And you had a really interesting piece not long ago talking about, will the madness last?

00:26:38.400 And you said the foundations of this new woke race agenda are mostly anti-white.

00:26:44.380 You gave a few examples, one from The Nation, a guy named Elie Mistel, one from a senior editor

00:26:51.520 of The Root, Damon Young, and then a guy at Barnard College.

00:26:54.760 Can you do you remember those?

00:26:55.940 I have them.

00:26:56.520 Yeah, I do.

00:26:57.060 He was, his name was Mr. Philippe.

00:26:59.820 He wrote a novel, he referenced it, where he envisioned gassing whites in the case of 0.95

00:27:04.980 Mr. Mistel, Elie, I think his first name was.

00:27:07.720 He said that after the quarantine ended, he had no desire to meet any white people.

00:27:13.340 He wanted to avoid them entirely.

00:27:14.640 In the case of Damon Root, he blamed all of civilization's woes, whether it was climate 0.98

00:27:19.420 change or race or crime or poverty, it was all due to white people. 1.00

00:27:25.260 And then we had that Yale speaker, the psychiatrist the other day, who said she dreamed of shooting 0.99

00:27:29.820 with her revolver, white people. 0.94

00:27:31.420 So it's getting to the next level of what I'm saying. 0.96

00:27:34.280 And notice this word they've invented, whiteness. 0.96

00:27:36.500 That's very scary, because when you use these abstract terms, Hitler had a big problem in

00:27:42.620 Germany, and that was that Western European Jews, unlike Eastern European Jews, were very 0.87

00:27:48.460 rarely orthodox.

00:27:49.560 They were almost indistinguishable from the general population.

00:27:52.760 They were very successful.

00:27:53.920 They were the most patriotic Germans.

00:27:55.840 They were iron cross holders from World War I.

00:27:58.580 And yet his hatred, his ideological hatred then focused on him.

00:28:03.380 But the average German said, well, that's my cardiologist.

00:28:08.320 That guy right there is my loan officer.

00:28:11.800 That's my lawyer.

00:28:13.100 Why would I hate him?

00:28:14.120 So he said they suffer from Jewishness, systematic, systemic Jewishness. 0.99

00:28:20.060 And then he started to say they're blood-suckers, et cetera. 0.99

00:28:23.120 So when you can't point to this white person did this to me that was prejudiced, you come 0.99

00:28:29.240 up with this abstract. 0.90

00:28:30.020 Well, they suffer from whiteness. 0.92

00:28:31.780 And once you do that, it's not about people.

00:28:35.220 Again, we're getting back to the abstract.

00:28:36.740 But all of these people expressed sheer hatred that if any other person had said that about

00:28:42.260 a non-white person, they would be ostracized.

00:28:45.180 You know, very quickly, Megan.

00:28:47.400 Yeah, go ahead.

00:28:47.740 But there's consequences to this.

00:28:50.800 And we're starting to see a backlash.

00:28:53.340 Because I don't know in history any time that a minority, meaning the diverse minority,

00:28:59.080 has attacked 70% of the population.

00:29:01.500 It doesn't make any sense.

00:29:03.120 But it does have ramifications.

00:29:05.040 I'll give you one example.

00:29:06.080 The military traditionally relied on the working classes, predominantly white.

00:29:11.660 Not all white, but predominantly white.

00:29:13.320 Especially south of the Mason-Dixon line, places like upstate New York or southern Ohio or the

00:29:19.960 San Joaquin Valley of California.

00:29:21.540 Okay.

00:29:22.440 Now they're woke.

00:29:24.140 And they're going after that very rubric.

00:29:26.940 And the retired generals are coming forward.

00:29:31.040 And they're saying things that are very strange.

00:29:33.260 Stanley McChrystal.

00:29:34.340 I'm not a big fan of Robert E. Lee.

00:29:36.100 I wrote a couple of books where it's very critical.

00:29:38.280 But when Stanley McChrystal says, oh, suddenly I woke up.

00:29:41.820 And I looked at my picture of my Reverend Robert E. Lee.

00:29:44.560 And I got so angry that I threw it in the dumpster.

00:29:47.600 And now he belongs where he is in the dump.

00:29:50.140 And then we had David Petraeus.

00:29:52.860 And he says, oh, suddenly, oh, my gosh.

00:29:56.760 I was at Fort Bragg and Fort Hood.

00:29:59.180 And these are Confederate races.

00:30:00.460 I didn't know this.

00:30:01.800 This was all during the 2019 to 20 woke movement.

00:30:05.640 And then we have General Hayden. 0.98

00:30:08.220 And he says, oh, my God, Trump is a Nazi. 0.98

00:30:11.700 The cages on the border remind me of Auschwitz. 0.99

00:30:14.580 And he starts tweeting pictures of Auschwitz.

00:30:17.120 And then we had General McCaffrey.

00:30:18.980 It says, oh, wow, Donald Trump canceled the New York Times.

00:30:22.300 He's Mussolini.

00:30:23.880 Well, and then you add General Miley, that incoherent rant he had where he got mad.

00:30:29.720 And it was the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen.

00:30:32.600 Because he says, well, I read Mao and I read Marx, i.e., I read things I do not agree with.

00:30:41.380 So what's the problem?

00:30:44.200 Because these are pernicious texts, but I want to understand how to combat them.

00:30:48.180 So what's wrong with reading Kendi?

00:30:50.380 And I'm thinking, well, what's the logic?

00:30:52.480 You're saying that you don't like Kendi and you're worried about critical race theories, racism.

00:30:57.900 So that's why you're reading them, just like you read Marx and Mao?

00:31:01.100 No, he's saying, I read things I don't approve of because I want to understand how to combat them.

00:31:07.940 But I'm going to, and then Kendi's an example of that.

00:31:10.080 No, you're reading it because you recommended it and you agree with it.

00:31:13.320 Yes, he's forcing it on our troops.

00:31:15.520 Yeah, he refuted himself.

00:31:16.860 And I thought, so you're the guy and now your military is going, you and Secretary Austin are going through the ranks and you're systematically looking for mythical white supremacists and you're destroying the very constituency, generation after generation after generation.

00:31:34.840 That volunteers and fights for our country.

00:31:38.880 And if you look at the, I just looked at the deaths in Afghanistan and the deaths in Iraq.

00:31:44.800 And guess who is the most overrepresented rubric?

00:31:47.560 It's white male.

00:31:49.260 These, it's not the Vietnam mythology.

00:31:51.760 It was true in Vietnam too, despite the mythology.

00:31:54.360 So you're going after this rubric that has died disproportionately in your wars that you didn't win and you're now going to loot them all out of the military and after all these retired generals have come out and politicized in violation of the code of military justice that says retired generals are subject to laws that prevent the disparagement of the command in chief.

00:32:16.800 You want us to support you and you want us to support you and we were the ones, we being middle America supported the increases in the budget and who attacked all of you people all of these years or wanted to cut your, your budget.

00:32:27.960 It was the left.

00:32:29.320 And when you guys got in trouble, when David Petraeus got in trouble with the law, who protected, who supported him?

00:32:36.480 Middle America.

00:32:37.640 When General Hayden got in trouble with middle, with the left about procedures at Guantanamo, who supported him?

00:32:46.100 Middle America.

00:32:47.220 When James Mattis got in trouble with the Theranos kind of Ponzi scheme collapse, who supported him?

00:32:54.040 Middle America.

00:32:55.060 Who supported General McCaffrey when he was under a cloud during the first Gulf War?

00:32:59.700 Middle America.

00:33:01.040 So what these generals and this machine have done is they basically said all the people who serve in the military and all the constituencies in America that have always supported increased budgets and a strong military and us,

00:33:15.440 when we got in trouble, they're all suspect of being white supremacists, which begs the question, why are they doing this?

00:33:23.600 And I'm kind of cynical about it.

00:33:25.320 I think that if you start to look at them, there is a new culture of one star, two star, three star, four star, where they gravitate into the Washington postings and billets in the Pentagon and the national security on the Hill.

00:33:39.380 And they start to see that if they wanted to be promoted, it's not going to be how many artillery shells in your brigade hit the target or how many missions per hour your naval pilots took off and competed the mission.

00:33:53.820 And that's what's the percentage of gays, women, minorities, what's the what was your attitude about reeducation?

00:34:00.540 What was your reading list?

00:34:01.780 And they make the necessary judgment.

00:34:04.300 But, you know, and then the final thing is they're all in corporate boards.

00:34:09.900 The left used to say no general shall be on a corporate board.

00:34:13.800 This is terrible.

00:34:14.560 They're using their expertise of the Pentagon labyrinth to enrich themselves when they come out of the military.

00:34:20.880 They go to General Dynamics or Northrop or Raytheon and they say to them, here's how you really get a bid.

00:34:26.100 I know because I was involved in the decision making.

00:34:28.620 And the left went crazy about that.

00:34:30.580 Middle America stuck up for it.

00:34:32.200 Not now.

00:34:33.240 General Austin went in and out of Raytheon.

00:34:35.560 General Mattis went in and out of General Dynamics.

00:34:39.640 All of them do that.

00:34:41.320 And chief of naval operations, they all do that.

00:34:44.060 So what I'm getting at in this kind of windy rant is they have really lost support on the very people in America that were the backbone of their military and the backbone of their political support for the military.

00:34:58.720 And I'm really afraid of it because I talked to people and they said, you know what?

00:35:03.200 If the left wants to cut the military budget, and they do, maybe they'll cut critical race theory train. 0.94

00:35:09.920 Ha ha.

00:35:10.340 I said, well, they won't.

00:35:11.880 But maybe that's what they need.

00:35:13.680 That's what people are saying.

00:35:15.180 And I think they're going to have families that have served for three generations and four that they're not going to volunteer to join the military.

00:35:21.760 And I'm worried about it.

00:35:23.920 It was bad enough when they were indoctrinating college students.

00:35:27.400 Right.

00:35:27.580 But college students tend to be more left leaning and they're experimenting with ideas.

00:35:31.320 And I think once rationality sets in, they tend to make up their own minds one way or the other.

00:35:35.800 And they don't they don't all keep that indoctrination forever.

00:35:38.540 At least it used to be thus.

00:35:39.880 But now we're seeing in today's day and ages, they're infecting and forget corporate America that that's already spread and sports and so on.

00:35:46.560 But they're infecting kids, young children.

00:35:50.440 They're they're indoctrinating with these divisive messages are military.

00:35:55.100 And then those things are going to have its abuse towards children.

00:35:58.640 And it's endangering the men and women in the military and our country as a result.

00:36:03.920 I mean, I so next up on the show is Marcus Luttrell.

00:36:08.440 I'm I'm interviewing him next.

00:36:09.920 And, you know, he's the guy who he's a Navy SEAL and he wrote Lone Survivor and they made a movie about him starring Mark Wahlberg.

00:36:17.020 And it's all about this horrific experience he had in Afghanistan with his comrades who were all killed.

00:36:22.920 He was the lone survivor.

00:36:24.040 However, but you watch I went back and watched the movie recently to prepare for the interview.

00:36:28.260 There's there's no black. 1.00

00:36:29.420 There's no brown.

00:36:30.160 There's no white. 0.93

00:36:31.000 There's no there's none of that.

00:36:32.560 It's a brotherhood.

00:36:33.620 Those SEALs, they don't see skin color.

00:36:35.400 They see a brotherhood.

00:36:36.340 They would die for each and every one of the guys who they fight with.

00:36:39.220 They would die for this country every day of the week.

00:36:42.000 Marcus would die for Texas every day of the week.

00:36:44.600 And and they do.

00:36:46.080 They do.

00:36:46.400 And for this, for the for Millie to go in there and try to make the military or their relationship about their melanin is so undermining of what they stand for in the overall messaging and and mission.

00:37:04.620 I can't I feel like he should be fired.

00:37:07.280 It's so irresponsible.

00:37:08.660 I do.

00:37:09.840 I thought he should have been fired when he did.

00:37:12.480 He walked across the lawn with Donald Trump to the burned out St.

00:37:17.260 John's Episcopal Church.

00:37:18.940 I think it was on June 2nd of last year.

00:37:21.740 And then immediately the left got angry because he said he was empowering a photo op why people were gassing and tear gassing.

00:37:28.260 And that's when I think General Mattis wrote that letter about using Nazi like tactics on the part of Trump.

00:37:33.860 And then we learn that the whole thing was a fraud.

00:37:36.820 They made it all up that the Capitol Police were not working in conjunction with Trump for photo op.

00:37:42.140 They did not use tear gas.

00:37:44.080 And then General Miley said, you do not have a photo op of the president.

00:37:47.380 If I went, which I did, I went back to the last 10 presidents.

00:37:51.920 Every single one has photo ops with the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, everyone without exception.

00:37:57.880 And I also went back when he said, we're not going to use troops for domestic.

00:38:02.560 I counted 14 instances when federal troops were used to quell domestic violence.

00:38:08.880 The most striking was during the Rodney King riots. 0.53

00:38:12.700 And I say this because it illustrates your point about this hypocrisy.

00:38:17.800 Colin Powell was then chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

00:38:20.560 George H.W. Bush wanted to send 5,000 Marines into Los Angeles to stop killing and looting because he thought there'd be a civil war among the Asian communities, especially who were being targeted.

00:38:33.240 They're small stores.

00:38:34.120 So he didn't know what to do.

00:38:35.920 So he inquired about the Pentagon.

00:38:39.300 Colin Powell voluntarily suggested, Megan, he said, when you want those troops, they're ready to go, quote, end of quote.

00:38:45.660 And so Colin Powell then, during this whole period where Miley was sort of preening for the cameras that he was embarrassed and all of this, they came out, the former Joint Chiefs, I think there was Richard Myers and him and two others.

00:39:03.260 They said, we'll help Joe Biden if he needs to remove Trump.

00:39:08.700 And then Biden gave it, says, I got four people on my side.

00:39:12.280 But what I'm getting at is here was Miley lecturing the country about politicizing the office of the chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

00:39:20.780 And yet he was doing nothing wrong what all the other Joint Chiefs had done.

00:39:26.200 But he was politicizing it by criticizing the commander in chief for something that didn't happen.

00:39:31.720 So he should have been fired right then for that.

00:39:34.140 And he wasn't.

00:39:35.500 And that emboldened him and felt, you know what, if I can get away with that, I can get away with anything.

00:39:42.480 And I think all of them thought that way.

00:39:44.480 Somebody should have said Article 88 of the Code of Military Justice says that any retired general who is still taking a pension is subject to the same rules that active generals are.

00:39:55.980 And you cannot disparage and enlist the number of people you can't, the vice president, the chairman, senators, and the commander in chief.

00:40:04.380 And yet they all went out and said he was a Nazi and he was Mussolini.

00:40:09.060 And it was really something that really went wrong there.

00:40:12.180 And nobody said a word.

00:40:13.280 And when you did say, and I wrote a couple of columns about that, I had all these people at where I work would write me and say, have you flipped out?

00:40:19.920 What are you doing?

00:40:21.080 You can't criticize our military.

00:40:23.660 And I thought, wow.

00:40:24.740 We're over those days.

00:40:26.040 It used to be this.

00:40:26.960 I mean, when I was on the primetime at Fox to criticize the military, the FBI, the CIA, it was unthinkable.

00:40:34.620 We had implicit trust in them.

00:40:36.920 There weren't sort of the Glenn Greenwalds and others who were really pushing back against government authority.

00:40:41.520 Or maybe there were, but they were just dismissed as one-offs.

00:40:44.220 And, you know, you have to trust these institutions.

00:40:46.140 They're patriotic.

00:40:47.280 They protect us.

00:40:48.400 Boy, the mask has come down.

00:40:49.740 I don't know to this moment whether they were always this political or whether they've just become.

00:40:54.740 But we need to open our eyes that these are political bodies now, to your point about what happens with people like the chairman of the Joint Chiefs when they get to Washington.

00:41:03.900 And be honest that they do get wooed into the Georgetown cocktail party circuit.

00:41:08.220 And their behavior reflects that.

00:41:10.740 Yeah.

00:41:11.000 And, you know, those are excellent points because the CIA and the FBI were, you make a good point.

00:41:17.160 They were also bastions where conservatives didn't dare question them, even though they were always brought up among Congress by the left and said, you know, you're breaking the law or you're part of the police state.

00:41:28.300 And then you think about the FBI, James Comey, 245 times under oath in the Senate House Intelligence Committee, saying, I can't remember.

00:41:37.360 Robert Mueller, former head of the FBI, going under oath, saying that the very basis for his investigation, the Steele dossier and the Fusion GPS shenanigans, he says under oath, I don't know anything about the Steele dossier.

00:41:51.300 I don't know anything about GPS and then Andrew McCabe, the acting FBI, for occasions saying, yes, I lied to federal investigators that I was I was aware of the leaks and I was one of the people who leaked.

00:42:04.480 And we had Kevin Kleinsmith, an FBI lawyer who altered a FISA document, forged an email.

00:42:11.640 And we're not even getting into the CIA where John Brennan, on two occasions, under oath, lied and said that the CIA was not monitoring Senate computers and the CIA did not in their targeted assassinations and never had collateral damage.

00:42:27.860 I could go into James Clapper. He said under oath, I gave you the least untruthful answer, meaning I lied about NSA surveillance.

00:42:35.420 Not wittingly.

00:42:36.440 Yeah. You remember? So, yeah, if somebody said to me, the CIA is under attack by the left now.

00:42:43.360 They want to cut off their fund for snooping, the FBI.

00:42:47.040 I would say, go to it.

00:42:49.780 You know, they've lost my confidence.

00:42:51.080 Right. Mine, too. It's that's been one of the biggest 180s I've experienced as a reporter and just an American over the past 10 to 15 years.

00:43:00.720 But I just want to round back to one thing you you I love all the points about the generals in the military because there's one area in which I'm deeply concerned.

00:43:08.180 I'm more concerned about them than I am about colleges, but I am I'm concerned about education.

00:43:12.280 But but just to round back to the point that you had made about this Barnard College guy, he's an English instructor.

00:43:18.720 His name is Ben Felipe Felipe.

00:43:21.380 Yeah, this guy. Now, keep in mind, there was a remember the professor who got suspended because he said a foreign word that sounded like the N word.

00:43:30.780 It wasn't. He was he said a Chinese word.

00:43:33.440 He was a professor at USC, business professor.

00:43:35.760 Yes.

00:43:36.740 OK, so he gets in trouble for that.

00:43:38.820 Yeah. Right. So that guy gets in trouble for that.

00:43:40.340 Just just to pick one example out of the ether.

00:43:42.160 He said nothing wrong.

00:43:43.420 He said a foreign word that happened to sound a little bit like a problematic English word.

00:43:48.340 He gets in trouble.

00:43:49.580 Barnard College English instructor Ben Felipe recently wrote a novel.

00:43:54.940 And in this novel, you pointed out in your in your article called Will the Madness Last.

00:43:59.700 You say he envisioned mass gassing and blowing up of white people.

00:44:02.580 So we actually went back and looked at it to say, like, what? 0.94

00:44:04.740 Wait, what?

00:44:05.820 And here's the quote.

00:44:07.000 This guy still has his job.

00:44:08.360 Quote, when this race war hits its crescendo, I'll gather you all in a beautifully decorated room under the pretense of unity.

00:44:15.900 I'll give a speech to civility and all the good times we share.

00:44:19.060 I'll smile as we raise glasses to your good white health while the detonator blinks under the table, knowing the exits are locked and the air vents filled with gas.

00:44:29.960 Not fired, still on the Barnard College website.

00:44:34.480 No problem.

00:44:35.660 You can talk about gassing white people and you're good. 0.99

00:44:38.040 And it spreads when when you lower deterrence, because I think remember, I think her name was Killalani. 0.99

00:44:45.580 And she spoke at Yale, a psychiatrist, where she said that whites were pathological wires. 0.99

00:44:50.500 And then she said that she had a dream where she she she dreamed of taking her revolver and shooting white people. 0.99

00:44:56.280 The problem with that is that a lot of people then that becomes institutionalized and there's no consequences for it. 0.97

00:45:02.500 And then people down the food chain say, well, that person said that maybe he meant that I should shoot somebody because the left always has told us words matter.

00:45:14.580 Words matter.

00:45:15.360 I heard that for 20 years at the university.

00:45:17.680 Be careful.

00:45:18.540 If you say this word or that word, you should be dismissed because they matter.

00:45:22.520 I think Cornel West wrote in that state words matter on that.

00:45:26.340 Well, they don't because we know that those words can be inflammatory, but no, there were no consequences.

00:45:31.620 And there will be results from that because people then will think that it's been green, greenlighted.

00:45:37.820 It's OK.

00:45:38.300 It's institutionalized to say that sort of stuff.

00:45:40.700 We had a New York Times editorial board member.

00:45:45.020 I think her name was Sarah Young.

00:45:46.560 She had she had a whole social media. 0.99

00:45:49.540 You remember that about I treat people like white men, like dogs that urinate on fire hydrants. 1.00

00:45:55.920 They're just scum and nobody said a word. 1.00

00:45:58.900 And yet they had fired somebody from the board. 1.00

00:46:01.100 I think a lesbian woman who had said something about whites or something.

00:46:07.060 And so it's asymmetrical.

00:46:08.800 And everybody understands that that asymmetry then permeates society.

00:46:13.660 And you can see it with a capital six people.

00:46:16.920 Nobody approved of that riot.

00:46:18.400 But when you start to reexamine not just the evidence that there were no armed insurrectionists, nobody was using a gun or even possessed one.

00:46:29.520 And then when you start seeing that officer Sicknick died of natural causes and then the three people, the other four either died of natural causes or Ashley Babbitt was unarmed and shot.

00:46:39.860 And yet the officer was never no information was ever disseminated about him, which has become a national pastime to within hours give you that information about anybody who shot while on in a confrontation with police.

00:46:52.620 And then you juxtapose that to the 14,000 that were arrested during those 120 days of rioting that all basically got off.

00:47:02.060 So I think a lot of people, I don't think the left understands that they have now really told half the country the law is a political weapon.

00:47:12.820 And we're going to selectively prosecute and use it to the full extent and we're going to go after you.

00:47:20.680 And all of these things have consequences.

00:47:23.100 We talked earlier about pushback.

00:47:24.880 Remember sanctuary cities, the left all of a sudden adopted the neo-confederate idea that a sanctuary city or a state could nullify federal law.

00:47:34.560 And that was OK because of the higher moral aim of helping illegal aliens. 0.95

00:47:39.420 Now we're starting to see the right do the same thing.

00:47:41.660 We're saying, you know what, EPA laws, endangered species laws, federal gun registration laws, abortion.

00:47:49.280 We're going to have counties in certain Western states where those federal laws will not apply.

00:47:53.840 And the left is going crazy about it.

00:47:55.820 But where this ends, I don't know, because it's looking like the 1850s right now.

00:48:02.360 Up next, I'm going to ask Victor about this U.S. Olympic athlete who, in trying out for the U.S. Olympic team, she's a hammer thrower,

00:48:12.120 decided to throw a fit instead about the fact that the national anthem just happened to be playing when she took to the podium.

00:48:19.860 Is this what we're going to get at the Olympics coming up?

00:48:23.220 We'll have Victor's thoughts on it next.

00:48:25.380 But first, we're going to bring you a feature that we have here on the MK Show called You Can't Say That or Think That or Be That.

00:48:32.360 Oh, wait, this is America.

00:48:34.340 Today, we have a story of you can't post that on social media that was detailed in an incredible and incredibly sad Reason magazine piece by Robbie Suave.

00:48:43.700 Robbie details the story of a liberal composer in Tennessee who supported police reform and the social justice movement after George Floyd.

00:48:52.300 That was until a small group of the activists at a Nashville protest smashed the historic courthouse windows in the city, started fires in the building and caused damage throughout Nashville.

00:49:04.380 Dismayed by these actions of rioters and so on, this Tennessee composer, Danny Elder, posted on his social media accounts a picture of the words,

00:49:14.080 And a post that read, enjoy burning it all down, you well-intentioned blind people. 0.99

00:49:21.740 He then deleted his Instagram account.

00:49:23.940 What happened next?

00:49:24.640 Well, what do you think happened next?

00:49:26.240 He began getting hate mail.

00:49:27.900 A lot of it.

00:49:28.780 Because you're not allowed to call out the arsonists and the rioters.

00:49:31.540 That's not okay. 1.00

00:49:32.480 One person called him a white supremacist piece of garbage. 1.00

00:49:36.040 But it wasn't just comments from random people, you see. 0.98

00:49:40.340 GIA Publications, Elder's publisher, and the only major publisher of religious choral music, wrote up an apology for him to publish, reading in part,

00:49:51.900 Over the weekend, I made a post on my social media accounts that was insensitive and wrongly worded.

00:49:57.900 I deeply apologize for the anger, offense, and harm that this post caused.

00:50:02.280 While this offense was not intended, it is what was created.

00:50:07.020 But Elder refused.

00:50:09.120 So GIA disowned him.

00:50:11.600 Quote,

00:50:11.980 The views expressed in composer Danny Elder's incendiary social media post on Sunday evening do not reflect the values of GIA or our employees, they wrote,

00:50:20.900 saying they will never work with him again.

00:50:23.540 Again, don't forget what he posted.

00:50:25.600 I'm done. 0.99

00:50:26.880 Enjoy burning it all down, you well-intentioned blind people. 1.00

00:50:30.760 That's what he wrote. 0.97

00:50:32.280 That's what did not reflect the values of GIA.

00:50:34.600 What are their values?

00:50:35.280 They're pro arson.

00:50:36.520 What are they saying?

00:50:37.820 They'll never work with a guy who doesn't like criminals again.

00:50:40.960 Not only is his career publishing music still stalled more than a year later, but local choral directors refused to associate with Danny.

00:50:49.540 And the kicker, Danny Elder says, as a result of being publicly shunned and exiled, quote,

00:50:56.560 I started listening to voices on the right and the center, especially these classical liberals who have been exiled from the leftist movement.

00:51:04.300 Come on over, Daniel, to the side of reason.

00:51:07.260 Because these days, if you write that setting fire to buildings is counterproductive to your cause, well, you can't say that.

00:51:15.080 Oh, wait.

00:51:16.220 This is America.

00:51:17.160 And now back to Victor Davis Hanson after this.

00:51:20.200 Well, now it's fine to demonize white people and it's fine to demonize America. 0.56

00:51:29.280 And that's why you have only people who are on the right, Fox News and so on, reacting at all to this Gwen Berry, who the audience may know that name by now.

00:51:41.560 It's been out for a day or two.

00:51:43.440 But this is a woman who wants to be on the Olympic team and just qualified. 1.00

00:51:47.920 She's a hammer thrower. 1.00

00:51:49.040 And Gwen, when in third position, she got the bronze at the trials to get on our Olympic team, is she became angry to quote her.

00:52:00.080 Forgive me.

00:52:00.500 She's pissed. 0.54

00:52:01.180 She said that the national anthem happened to be playing when she got up to receive, you know, the bronze medal or was honored in the third position.

00:52:12.320 She started to fidget.

00:52:13.720 She chose to turn her back on the flag.

00:52:17.120 She did not want to face the American flag.

00:52:19.040 The country that she wants to represent.

00:52:20.780 She then held up a black shirt that read activist athlete.

00:52:25.740 And in response to some of the blowback from, you know, corners on the right, she said, I'm the one who's mad.

00:52:31.620 I feel like this was a setup.

00:52:33.780 I wasn't expecting the anthem to be played, she said.

00:52:36.020 And they did it on purpose.

00:52:37.920 I was pissed.

00:52:39.500 It was, quote, real disrespectful.

00:52:42.460 She thinks she was disrespected by the anthem playing.

00:52:46.500 And Jen Psaki, on behalf of Joe Biden, just defended her.

00:52:51.000 And the U.S.

00:52:52.140 Olympic Committee has specifically allowed this.

00:52:55.920 They are going to allow our athletes to do this kind of thing at the next games.

00:53:00.680 And you know what's very scary is when the French, the French of all people, look at this and things that are going on and they're scared about it.

00:53:10.040 And they've stopped all statue toppling, iconoclism.

00:53:12.880 They won't allow it.

00:53:13.700 And Britain is now saying, you know what, you're not going to topple Cecil Rhodes' statue.

00:53:18.300 You're not going to get a Rhodes scholarship and come to Oxford and then destroy the man who endowed it.

00:53:23.240 We're not going to allow that.

00:53:24.580 And yet they look at the United States and they used to make fun of us as being sort of redneck.

00:53:29.660 And now they feel, wow, it's completely flipped.

00:53:32.320 It's more revolutionary than we are.

00:53:34.080 And it's unfortunately a superpower.

00:53:35.800 And it's unfortunately entrusted by keeping the world safe and it's in chaos and no country can exist.

00:53:43.000 They know if the people in it don't believe it's better than the alternative.

00:53:47.200 And she obviously doesn't.

00:53:49.060 It's also, I think, a lot of it's performance art.

00:53:51.560 She thinks that she'll get clicks or she'll get a Nike endorsement or something as a cutting edge person in the way that Colin Kaepernick kind of institutionalized that model,

00:54:02.120 that the more outrageous you were in attacking the country, the more a particular consumer demographic would buy your product.

00:54:09.480 And she's looking for that.

00:54:10.780 It's very narcissistic, as all these people are.

00:54:13.320 We don't even know about this.

00:54:14.780 I don't know anything about the first and second winner, the gold and silver person.

00:54:19.340 They seem to be very good athletes.

00:54:21.680 They beat her in the sport. 0.99

00:54:23.300 And yet all the attention is for the third place person.

00:54:26.660 So it was really. 0.99

00:54:27.720 And then you think that she's ignorant. 0.98

00:54:30.000 She doesn't know anything about the history of her country. 0.95

00:54:32.720 She's very leisured and affluent, like most athletes in this age.

00:54:36.460 And you want to say to her, well, there's all sorts of choices.

00:54:39.760 It's a globalized world now.

00:54:41.440 You can get dual citizenship.

00:54:43.280 That's an alternative where you can compete for other countries and retain your citizenship if you wish.

00:54:48.760 Or you know what?

00:54:49.420 You can leave.

00:54:50.580 There's a lot of places that would.

00:54:51.880 And you might find if you want to have indigenous people or you feel that the black choice is better, you can go to Africa. 1.00

00:55:00.200 If you feel that the European socialist model is better, go there.

00:55:05.040 Just go to China if you want to be more in a revolutionary mood and see what happens.

00:55:09.580 What's really sick about this is that when we look around the world, we have to ask ourselves, even our most liberal allies, there's no way in the world that Barack Obama would ever be chancellor of Germany.

00:55:22.700 There's no way that Kamala Harris would be vice president of France. 1.00

00:55:27.020 If you or I or the person in question ever went to China and wanted to be a Chinese citizen because we don't look Chinese, we'd never be accepted.

00:55:35.020 If you wanted to go to Mexico, you would never be accepted unless you'd look like you were Mexican. 1.00

00:55:40.120 This is the only multiracial democracy in the world.

00:55:43.960 Brazil, to a certain extent, maybe India, but they don't work nearly as well.

00:55:48.980 Where we are supposed to be united by an idea and race is incidental, not essential to who we are.

00:55:54.640 So she's very blessed to live here.

00:55:57.260 But if she doesn't like the model, there's all sorts of other paradigms.

00:56:02.260 And believe me, they tend to be blood and soil paradigms where people are a particular nationality based on how they look. 0.75

00:56:10.400 What do you make of her defense?

00:56:13.760 Which is, you know what?

00:56:15.700 This is a quote.

00:56:17.100 My purpose and my mission is bigger than sports.

00:56:19.760 I'm here to represent those who died due to systemic racism.

00:56:23.000 That's the important part.

00:56:24.940 That's why I'm going.

00:56:26.480 Well, I want to know who those are.

00:56:29.060 I mean, we dealt with racism.

00:56:30.900 It was a terrible blemish.

00:56:32.980 We fought 700,000 people died in the Civil War, including about 250,000 Union soldiers.

00:56:41.620 She could say, I mean, I've written extensively a soul battle with a book.

00:56:44.960 There were people in Ohio and Indiana and Michigan in 1860 that had never seen in their entire life a black person.

00:56:53.000 And when they went down to Atlanta and burned it with General Sherman and they marched all the way to Savannah, they freed 40,000 people that were black and they had never seen a black person.

00:57:05.620 So what would motivate somebody in a Western state, a small farmer, to leave his farm and volunteer for the Army of the West to go liberate people that he'd never seen before and he had never seen a slave.

00:57:18.560 He'd never participated in slave in the Western states in the North or get killed at Antietam or die at Shiloh.

00:57:25.020 So there were people who, you know, 150 years ago, plus, were dying for what she wanted to envision.

00:57:33.600 And I know that a lot of people who tried to thwart that dream were not what she thinks are right wing white Republicans.

00:57:43.140 They were people like Woodrow Wilson and the progressive movement.

00:57:46.320 They were people in the Democratic Party that Joe Biden, you know, James O.

00:57:50.320 Eastland, that he prays to the sky.

00:57:52.780 So I don't understand that.

00:57:55.860 I don't I don't quite.

00:57:57.240 There were four hundred and seventy five thousand Americans died to stop the racist Third Reich from taking over and maintaining all of Europe. 0.92

00:58:06.800 We would have been a nightmare for anybody who wasn't German. 1.00

00:58:09.160 And so we fought that war.

00:58:12.220 And this was the only country that there was a chance because of the documents, the Declaration and the Constitution, the Declaration, all men are created equal.

00:58:20.460 The Constitution not one time mentions race.

00:58:23.440 Only one time does it say three fifths of people who are serfs or slaves.

00:58:28.020 And that was only because this is what's really damning about the misinterpretation of that element in the Constitution, that the northern states had just freed themselves from Britain, as did the southern states, the 13 colonies.

00:58:42.100 And yet they were faced with an immediate civil war because the north would not allow slavery and the south would not allow its abolition.

00:58:50.720 And then the south said, for every slave that we will not give freedom when we treat as a subhuman, we still want one representative vote in the census, one credit so we can get more House representatives.

00:59:03.880 And the abolition said, no, we don't want to give you any.

00:59:06.540 And so there was a compliment.

00:59:07.580 And we'll give you three fifths if that's what it costs not to have a civil war.

00:59:12.140 So from the very beginning, there was such an opposition to racism and for the times and slavery.

00:59:19.140 It's a very complex story for her just to dumb it down and say that only people who fought racism.

00:59:25.500 And, you know, the final thing, and I'll stop ranting, Megan, is that there's a lot of things that are important in life, history.

00:59:32.940 Gender, sex is important. 0.94

00:59:34.780 Poverty is important. 0.87

00:59:36.620 Courage is important.

00:59:38.200 Science is important.

00:59:39.420 And race is important.

00:59:40.560 Race is not the most important thing.

00:59:43.260 Until the George Floyd incident, black unemployment was the lowest it had ever been in the United States.

00:59:49.520 We had had a black president and we were shortly going to have a black vice president.

00:59:53.760 We'd had a black secretary of states. 0.59

00:59:55.360 We have two people running, I think, for lieutenant governor in South Carolina, or maybe it was North Carolina, the bastion of the old confederacy.

01:00:08.740 And they were both the Republican and Democratic candidate were black.

01:00:11.380 So we had kind of transcended.

01:00:13.520 We were transcending race in a way no other country had really done that.

01:00:18.160 And yet to go back and say it was all a failure and we're all culpable.

01:00:21.840 And I think a lot of us have to speak out.

01:00:24.860 I taught 21 years at a very middle class, working class college, Cal State Fresno as a classics professor.

01:00:33.020 And I had mostly minority students, Southeast Asian, but mostly Mexican-Americans, some illegal.

01:00:40.360 But I also had the remnants of the Oklahoma diaspora.

01:00:43.320 These were poor Okie kids. 1.00

01:00:44.860 I shouldn't say Okie, but they were second generation or third.

01:00:48.120 And their parents came to Bakersfield or Tulare, the Merle Haggard group, Grapes of Wrath.

01:00:53.680 And this is the story I had for the 21 years.

01:00:56.840 You're brilliant.

01:00:57.860 You're just as brilliant.

01:00:58.960 But there's no way in hell that I'm going to get you in to Stanford Law School or Harvard Medical School or the Yale Classics Department.

01:01:07.440 It's just not going to happen. 0.97

01:01:08.400 You're a white male. 0.98

01:01:09.460 Forget it. 0.98

01:01:10.540 And I tried.

01:01:11.960 I got about 55 people in that 21-year period in, and they were either, without exception, women or minorities.

01:01:20.640 And I think that was great.

01:01:21.880 But my point is this myth that suddenly all this white privilege was everywhere.

01:01:26.580 It's not true.

01:01:27.740 The lower working class whites had no white privilege.

01:01:30.420 I can testify to that.

01:01:32.440 That's right.

01:01:32.840 And yet you're not allowed to protest on their behalf.

01:01:35.440 I mean, the U.S. Olympic Committee is not saying you can take the podium and hold up a fist to on behalf of the men in Appalachia.

01:01:44.580 And what they've said, by the way, just in case people are not aware, because I was not prior to this moment, the committee is going to permit forms of demonstration, including holding up a fist, kneeling during the anthem, and wearing hats or face masks with phrases such as Black Lives Matter or words such as equality or justice.

01:02:05.000 The new guidance said the demonstrations must be, quote, advancing racial and social justice or promoting the human dignity of individuals or groups that have historically been underrepresented, minoritized, or marginalized in their respective societal context.

01:02:21.120 However, hate symbols will not be allowed, which, of course, that'll be determined to be a MAGA hat, right?

01:02:28.220 Now, there's a bit of a conflict because the International Olympic Committee is saying athlete protests are not allowed, so we'll see what happens.

01:02:35.640 But the American, the U.S. Olympic Committee says, go for it.

01:02:39.500 And I just wonder whether Americans are going to sit and watch that or if they will tune out in record numbers like they did.

01:02:47.040 Just to give you one example, from The Bachelor, right?

01:02:50.640 The Bachelor got woke.

01:02:51.800 They fired poor Chris Harrison for saying absolutely nothing.

01:02:54.420 And they premiered to less than a – they lost over a million viewers versus their last season premiere.

01:03:00.880 I think that's happening.

01:03:01.640 Don't you think that's happening everywhere?

01:03:03.220 NBA is down.

01:03:04.520 Yeah.

01:03:04.660 Professional baseball is down.

01:03:05.940 NFL is down.

01:03:07.560 I think everybody's – Grammy is down.

01:03:09.720 Tony is down.

01:03:11.140 Oscar is down.

01:03:12.880 Ceremonies.

01:03:13.480 I think people are retreating to kind of a monastery of their mind.

01:03:16.640 They say – and I talk to them all the time.

01:03:18.680 I feel I'm part of them.

01:03:20.000 I just don't want to go see a late – you know, a recent movie in the theater.

01:03:24.340 I know what to expect.

01:03:26.080 I don't watch any of the network television news.

01:03:29.800 I don't think I've watched network news in years.

01:03:32.720 I don't watch any professional sports anymore.

01:03:35.480 I think a lot of people just feel that they want a monastery.

01:03:39.100 They're just tired of it.

01:03:40.620 And one thing that gives me a little optimism is that the left, from the very beginning, saw the COVID epidemic and the quarantine and the self-induced recession and what followed after George Floyd as a crisis that should never be left alone or should never go to waste.

01:04:02.480 And Gavin Newsom said that.

01:04:03.900 He said, we're going to emerge from the lockdown with a more progressive capitalism.

01:04:07.660 Hillary said, we're going to emerge with better health care. 1.00

01:04:12.760 And I think the Great Reset, Klaus Schwab and the Davos crowd said, we're going to completely remake the globalized system after this COVID.

01:04:21.240 So there was a sense that we kind of went collectively crazy in fear of COVID.

01:04:27.600 And we've never had a national quarantine.

01:04:29.600 So nobody got to see face-to-face people, their expressions, their nuances.

01:04:34.260 It was either Zoom or they were isolated in their apartment.

01:04:37.640 And then we had this sudden, wonderful economy that just was voluntarily shut down.

01:04:42.500 We never had that.

01:04:43.720 We've never had 120 days of riding.

01:04:46.300 Never.

01:04:47.180 And we've never had $2 billion of riding.

01:04:50.440 And we never had 102 million people mail in their ballot or vote early, 63% of the electorate, in a radical recalibration of our very system of election.

01:05:00.240 And then we had the pushback.

01:05:03.280 And I don't think that those, that was a perfect storm.

01:05:07.000 We might have survived one of them without going crazy.

01:05:09.800 But all of them together kind of made us prone to all of the stuff that you and I have been talking about.

01:05:16.180 And my only hope, and this is another windy way of why I'm optimistic a little bit, I think that's why the left does not want to let people get back out and have to earn a living and not stay home and get $51,000.

01:05:29.180 And they don't want people to be independent, to see, to smell, to look, to hear other people and see they're not the monsters that Elie Mazel said that when he was locked up, he didn't want to see white people.

01:05:42.000 And once you get that intercourse going again, Jane Fonda said that. 0.98

01:05:45.300 She said, thank God for COVID or we would have never gotten rid of Trump.

01:05:48.160 And I think that's why they're scared.

01:05:51.800 And I think that's why if we get the economy going and we get people out and COVID's memory and we start to reexamine how we're changing illegally the voting laws and the state legislature, I think there'll be a big correction in the midterms.

01:06:07.700 A big correction.

01:06:09.180 Analogous to 2010 or even greater.

01:06:11.280 Well, I hope you're right.

01:06:13.120 The generic ballot is because I love divided government in general, but the generic ballot right now, the forecasts are suggesting that Democrats are going to gain seats in both the Senate and the House.

01:06:22.220 Let's let's see.

01:06:23.240 We don't know.

01:06:24.400 But in the meantime, you have a media that is just completely complicit.

01:06:28.760 You know, I know you've described them as just mere toadies.

01:06:31.140 They they do absolutely nothing to to hold the Biden administration to account.

01:06:36.580 You know, we had Kevin McCarthy, the House minority leader on the show last week.

01:06:40.400 Like he just met with Biden.

01:06:41.820 He told us Biden told him and I quote, I inherited a border mess and I fixed it.

01:06:46.880 I he fixed it.

01:06:48.480 The the press will do nothing to hold him to account for that.

01:06:52.080 And I know you've been pointing out they they sort of downplay anything that he does.

01:06:57.880 They won't acknowledge what appears to be some sort of, you know, mental decline, obviously.

01:07:03.080 Never mind.

01:07:04.140 Fact check the guy there. 0.53

01:07:05.620 The latest this week was this weird, creepy whisper video.

01:07:08.400 He's taken to doing like weird whispers.

01:07:11.120 I have to play it for our audience because it's kind of entertaining as well.

01:07:14.120 We're going to need a chance to laugh before we can.

01:07:15.400 But what's going on with this?

01:07:16.700 Listen, I got them one point nine trillion dollars relief so far.

01:07:23.300 They're going to be getting checks in the mail that are consequential.

01:07:27.240 I wrote the bill.

01:07:29.380 On the environment.

01:07:31.460 Pay them more.

01:07:32.380 This is an employee's, employee's bargaining chip now.

01:07:40.700 What's happening?

01:07:42.400 Victor, what's what's happening?

01:07:45.000 Yeah, well, it wasn't that much different.

01:07:46.600 That was what was tragic about it.

01:07:47.980 It wasn't that much different than the regular decibel level.

01:07:50.580 He talks anyway.

01:07:51.360 So he has that raspy voice.

01:07:55.860 But I think in the media that doesn't cover these things or him tripping or having a brain

01:08:01.680 freeze or interrupting G7, the chairman saying you didn't call on our person from South Africa,

01:08:08.220 which he just called on or blowing up with the press.

01:08:11.840 They don't believe their media anymore.

01:08:14.260 They're not journalists.

01:08:15.180 Ben Rhodes, remember, said these people know nothing.

01:08:18.160 And you can create an echo chamber and they'll just reverberate what you want.

01:08:22.540 He had disdain for the very people that he catered to.

01:08:26.920 But in their own words, they don't see themselves as journalists.

01:08:30.260 I think it was Jim Rutenberg, when Trump was elected, said, I don't think standard journalism

01:08:35.480 applies anymore, that we have to be advocates.

01:08:37.680 And Jorge Ramos said, you know, I'm not going to be a disinterested journalist because these

01:08:42.500 issues are too important.

01:08:43.880 And Christian Raman Por said the same thing about climate change.

01:08:46.800 And he's such an existential threat, this administration.

01:08:49.720 We cannot be neutral.

01:08:51.140 So they see themselves as fused with the progressive party.

01:08:55.460 And that's why they don't have any.

01:08:58.480 Two things have happened from that.

01:08:59.900 One, they have no reputation or respect, not from people like you and me.

01:09:04.140 That was lost a long time ago.

01:09:05.860 But from their own people, the politicians don't respect them that they're covering because

01:09:11.160 they feel that they're serfs or employees.

01:09:14.080 And then the second thing that's happened, every politician, we keep getting back this

01:09:19.220 idea of deterrence.

01:09:20.280 They have to tell somewhat, they have to speak somewhat truthfully because they're afraid

01:09:24.980 they'll get a gotcha question.

01:09:26.720 When you have none of that self-examination, cross-examination, or no hostility from the

01:09:32.620 press, then they get sloppy and they lie and more so than usual.

01:09:36.900 And I think that's what happened to Nancy Pelosi and all of them and Biden and especially Kamala

01:09:42.300 Harris. 0.93

01:09:43.040 They can, they think they can say or do anything and they're getting increasingly ridiculous.

01:09:47.760 And they don't have the two things they've had so far to keep our attention away from

01:09:53.700 the border or the race problem or the crime problem or this inflation specter that's looming

01:09:59.680 ahead is Donald Trump. 0.98

01:10:01.680 And there's a racist under every bed. 0.97

01:10:04.340 And I don't think that's going to be there very much longer.

01:10:07.580 I don't think they silenced Trump.

01:10:10.000 So he not communicated.

01:10:11.720 It's probably in his own interest.

01:10:13.380 And so he's not a player in our everyday lives that they need to get their ratings if you're

01:10:19.080 CNN or get everybody angry.

01:10:20.620 And then the race thing is becoming boring.

01:10:24.040 When she did that on the podium, a lot of people just said, this is so boring.

01:10:27.980 Been there, done that.

01:10:29.180 So what?

01:10:30.560 Kaepernick, Kaepernick, Kaepernick.

01:10:32.100 This was a whole old hat.

01:10:33.940 And so I think a lot of people in the radical racial movement are afraid that their message

01:10:39.840 is getting boring.

01:10:43.040 Well, that that's my one comfort.

01:10:44.680 When I see stories like the one out of Brandeis University that, you know, they have a feature

01:10:49.560 on the show that we call You Can't Say That.

01:10:51.200 It's about the growing list of things that are supposedly banned or problematic.

01:10:54.140 And, you know, when that they came out this week and basically gave this long list of

01:10:58.440 the things that you can't say anymore.

01:11:00.340 One of the things was the word picnic because it allegedly reminds some people of lynchings.

01:11:06.520 But somebody was pointing out online, lynching is still fine. 0.94

01:11:09.560 You can say the word lynching, but you can't say the word picnic, among many other things,

01:11:15.540 because supposedly back in the day, people would picnic and watch lynchings.

01:11:20.940 That was the suggestion.

01:11:21.840 And so you can't say the word picnic anymore.

01:11:24.200 I think it's a French word that, you know, from piquet or something that, but I don't

01:11:29.460 think it has anything to do with any.

01:11:31.800 I don't understand that.

01:11:33.540 Let me give you a couple of other examples that they that they gave.

01:11:36.720 You cannot.

01:11:37.840 This is their list.

01:11:39.220 Violent language.

01:11:40.540 The oppressive language that you should dump is killing it.

01:11:43.840 Possible alternative.

01:11:45.020 Great job.

01:11:46.040 Oppressive language you should get rid of is trigger warning.

01:11:49.160 This has connections to guns for many people, they say.

01:11:52.000 Instead, possible alternative content note.

01:11:54.860 Oppressive language.

01:11:55.980 Rule of thumb.

01:11:56.800 Allegedly comes from an old British law allowing men to beat their wives with sticks.

01:12:00.340 So no wider than their thumb.

01:12:02.060 Sure, that that's what that's what people think of now when you say rule of thumb.

01:12:06.000 A possible alternative.

01:12:07.580 General rule.

01:12:08.680 Then they want you to get rid of you guys and ladies and gentlemen. 1.00

01:12:11.700 Instead, they want you to use y'all, folks, friends, loved ones or people.

01:12:16.680 You can no longer say policemen or congressmen because they're gender specific.

01:12:20.800 And here's a great one, Victor.

01:12:22.380 They think it's oppressive to say everything going on right now.

01:12:26.460 They don't want you to say that.

01:12:27.580 They say being vague about important issues risks miscommunication and can also avoid accountability.

01:12:34.660 Instead, try using language like police brutality, protests, Black Lives Matter, COVID-19.

01:12:41.120 Name what you are referring to.

01:12:43.140 And here's my favorite.

01:12:44.080 You're no longer allowed to say spirit animal.

01:12:46.900 Because in some cultural and spiritual traditions, spirit animals refer to an animal, spirit, that helps guide and or protect a person through a journey.

01:12:57.940 Equating this with an animal you like strips the term of its significance.

01:13:01.160 Well, too bad, Brandeis.

01:13:02.580 Too bad.

01:13:03.380 We're going to say what we want.

01:13:04.280 But it functions in the sense that one or two bored professors with tenure and lifetime job security or get together with a couple of graduate students and they'll say maybe there's eight of them.

01:13:15.520 Let's think of words that they're bored, obviously, and they have little accountability or they'd be teaching or they'd be writing something valuable.

01:13:23.060 So they say, let's think up some words.

01:13:25.320 And then they contact the left-wing journalism student who's working for a left-wing online outlet.

01:13:31.180 And then we're supposed to think that there's this grassroots movement throughout the United States on the one hand.

01:13:36.800 That's exactly it, by the way.

01:13:38.000 Their defense was, oh, this was student generated.

01:13:40.800 Yes.

01:13:41.760 It's not.

01:13:42.660 It's artificially concocted.

01:13:44.460 But that's how they operate.

01:13:46.000 We're supposed to think there's all these people, the postman that came to the door, the guy who rented the car, the Uber driver.

01:13:53.200 They're all on this.

01:13:54.280 And they're not.

01:13:55.320 And that's what these revolutionary movements do throughout history.

01:13:58.200 They feign this idea that they have popular support.

01:14:02.560 But it's usually from intellectuals and people who are disaffected, students, unemployed students.

01:14:09.420 And then, you know, what's really sad about it is so here we are in the 233rd year of the republic.

01:14:16.620 We're facing $30 trillion of debt.

01:14:20.080 I don't know how we're ever going to pay it back.

01:14:22.500 Gasoline here is $4.50 a gallon.

01:14:25.920 We're looking at maybe 7% to 9% annual inflation, which we haven't really seen since Jimmy Carter.

01:14:31.660 And these are, and we have China ascendant after the Wuhan.

01:14:37.460 It may well have engineered a virus that leaked and then never let a crisis go to the left ways to attitude, infected the world, destroyed a lot of the economy of the United States, not to mention the Iran deal. 0.67

01:14:51.100 And we're worried about these people.

01:14:52.940 So I guess all these existential problems that we collectively should be worried about, these people are trying to convince us that they're important.

01:15:03.840 And they're hothouse plants, faculty, lounge, neuroses, psychodramas are suddenly things of national import.

01:15:13.220 And I'm not criticizing you and I for talking about them because they have a point.

01:15:18.520 Because they're Orwellian.

01:15:20.680 If we don't talk to them and waste our time to condemn them, then they become institutionalized and add to the problem of the frame of the fabric of society.

01:15:30.280 That's what's been happening.

01:15:31.280 Exactly.

01:15:32.620 And I can't think of any, maybe you can't, I can't think of any nation in history that when a large number of the citizenry felt that it was flawed at the beginning, flawed during its ascendance and flawed in the presence and will be flawed in the future, that it survived.

01:15:51.320 Because history is pretty unkind.

01:15:55.100 If you don't think you're somewhat exceptional, or at least better than the alternative, then why should you continue to exist?

01:16:02.220 What do they have to be placed at is what I'm getting at, I guess.

01:16:04.820 I'm struggling to think, what statues are they going to put up when they destroy Christopher Columbus or Martin Luther King or Cervantes and Golden Gate Park in San Francisco?

01:16:15.500 What word, the words that you mentioned, you all, these are all slang words.

01:16:19.820 You all is just a term I hear on campus from basically pampered white kids that want to sound like they resonate with the Black Southern culture.

01:16:31.880 And so they say you all, but they never say that at home.

01:16:34.520 They never say that with friends.

01:16:35.860 They just say it as performance art.

01:16:38.000 So I don't know what they want to replace all the things they want to destroy with.

01:16:42.020 They want a statue of Patrice Cullors, the BLM founder with the four homes.

01:16:46.140 I didn't realize she was under investigation.

01:16:50.800 That was actually news to me.

01:16:52.160 I mean, I knew she, somebody was calling for one, but she's, she's in a whole host of trouble.

01:16:56.140 I just want to point out the juxtaposition, right?

01:16:58.040 The point I'm trying to make is that there's no moral authority of the people who are trying to lecture us about our speech, about our behavior, about our internal thoughts that we may or may not have access to, right?

01:17:06.720 It's like our, it's our latent racism they're trying to attack or our latent sexism that they want to get us for.

01:17:12.360 These people have no moral authority. 0.97

01:17:14.460 Over at Brandeis, you can't say killing it, but over at Barnard College, it's fine to say I'm going to gasp white people. 0.97

01:17:21.840 There's no universal standard.

01:17:24.460 What you're saying is, Megan, is so they're condemning culture.

01:17:27.900 So then we're going to look at you guys.

01:17:29.840 So let's look at you guys in the, in the academic world.

01:17:33.120 You've created a system that indebted students to $1.7 trillion in aggregate student debt, which postpones marriage, child raising, home ownership.

01:17:45.000 You did that.

01:17:45.880 Your test scores have gone down every year, infants test scores, to the point we're not even going to require them anymore.

01:17:53.080 Graduates who leave have the least amount of factual knowledge we've ever had.

01:17:57.440 And you've gone from about 58 to 60% of tenured professors, tenure track professors as well as your new hires.

01:18:06.340 Now you're the most exploitive institution in the country.

01:18:09.140 You've got about 20% tenure track or tenure professor, but 80% of your labor is exploited contingency labor, part-time lecture, that you don't really give full salary or equal equitable pay.

01:18:22.680 And we're supposed to listen to you?

01:18:25.160 Don't leave me now.

01:18:26.280 We've got more coming up in 60 seconds.

01:18:27.900 Because I know you, you pointed out that Joe Biden's, the list of racist or problematic race-related things that he has said goes on and on, not to mention his weird, creepy problem with young girls.

01:18:45.600 I mean, he's going to lecture the rest of us on what is moral behavior and don't even get me started on his son, Hunter.

01:18:51.500 How about his son, yeah.

01:18:53.220 Right?

01:18:53.700 With the, I don't do yellow.

01:18:54.780 And look at his own niece said, Hunter, I don't want to have any Asian American models meeting you. 1.00

01:19:00.860 And he said, I don't do yellow. 0.51

01:19:02.380 Both of them were racist.

01:19:04.000 And he's lecturing us.

01:19:05.660 And yet he's got racist right in his home nest.

01:19:08.540 And he's the one that called a journalist a junkie. 0.98

01:19:12.440 And he's a black journalist. 0.98

01:19:13.860 He's the other one that said that, you know, you ain't black. 0.89

01:19:16.420 It's almost, it's like it's projection.

01:19:18.260 You know what I mean?

01:19:18.740 People who really feel racist sympathy, excuse me, racist ideas or racist feelings, then they project that onto other people as a way to square the circle that they can't come out and confess if they're racist.

01:19:33.820 But Joe Biden has always had this problem.

01:19:36.780 You know, he called Barack Obama the first presidential candidate who was clean and articulate.

01:19:43.100 And I thought, wow, Barbara Jordan ran for president. 1.00

01:19:45.840 She was the most articulate person I've ever heard.

01:19:48.440 And to Joe Biden, it's just all black people, you know, or put you all back and changed. 1.00

01:19:53.080 And I went back and played that YouTube that he said about Romney in 2012. 0.96

01:19:57.380 He was speaking to a group of black professionals, very accomplished people, as if they were children that could be easily enslaved because they were so weak or subservient. 1.00

01:20:07.100 It was really insulting. 0.98

01:20:08.000 And then you get into the corn pop stories about black kids looking at the white hairs on his leg, just sick. 0.97

01:20:15.760 And yet nobody says a word.

01:20:17.960 I've got to use this opportunity to play one of the best soundbites we've played on the show in recent weeks, which is his creepy little exchange with a young girl who I think was a prepubescent.

01:20:29.380 I think we had her age.

01:20:30.220 Was she 11?

01:20:30.800 You guys, my team will check.

01:20:32.800 And what he said to her at a White House event, she was up there on the on the dais with him.

01:20:37.740 Listen, I love those brettes. 0.97

01:20:40.560 I tell you what, look at her. 0.99

01:20:44.460 She looks like she's 19 years old sitting there like a little lady.

01:20:50.260 I think she was, I think, nine, nine or 11.

01:20:53.880 Prepubescent.

01:20:54.660 Look at her.

01:20:55.720 She looks like she could be 19.

01:20:57.300 How is it?

01:20:58.000 How does he get away with this?

01:20:59.620 I just I don't know.

01:21:00.540 I had I as a father of two daughters, when I would hear if I had heard anything like that from a relative or a friend, that would be sort of the end of things.

01:21:09.040 You just say to yourself, you tell your daughters, if I'm not around or your mother's not around under no circumstances, you have anything to do with that person just for their own safety.

01:21:18.800 That's right.

01:21:19.140 And this is even scarier, Megan, because he's been warned.

01:21:25.500 That was a campaign issue that he breathed, that he squeezed, that he talked, that he invaded the private space of so many women, among them underage women, teenagers, that you would think that he would be extra careful.

01:21:40.840 And so and yet nobody says anything. 0.88

01:21:44.040 And yet we're supposed to believe that Tara Reid is, you know, an absolute liar and absolutely couldn't be telling the truth about him.

01:21:49.460 And I don't know, I want to I want to end with this one more point, because we're on this topic of creepy men who get a pass from the left.

01:21:55.200 And I heard you talk a little bit about Jeffrey Toobin and I I'm just flabbergasted by the whole thing.

01:22:00.840 And I but I thought you made a very interesting point on your podcast recently, which is you actually don't believe him that it was unintentional because he said he thought he had muted.

01:22:13.760 Originally said, I thought I had muted the video before I masturbated in front of all my colleagues at the New Yorker while we were we were rehearsing for the election coverage.

01:22:21.180 And then he changed it when he just came back for his CNN rehab tour to, oh, I thought the call was over.

01:22:26.880 No, that's not what he said at the time.

01:22:28.560 He said he thought he had muted the camera.

01:22:31.260 That was his initial and therefore, you know, closer in time defense.

01:22:35.780 You you think it it may have actually been intentional all along.

01:22:41.500 In the sense that if somebody wants to have auto sexual gratification there and they live in a house, there's all sorts of places to have privacy.

01:22:52.280 Right. And he's not going to be on Zoom for five hours.

01:22:57.300 So you're telling me that a middle aged man's sexual drive is such that he has to gratify himself only when he's on Zoom in a multi room home.

01:23:06.460 I don't believe that. I believe that if he wants to do such a thing, he can find a place of privacy that nobody will see him.

01:23:12.780 And two, that if he has such a huge sexual appetite and hormonal drive that he can go an hour without satisfying himself.

01:23:23.120 So I think what he thought and I think there's a lot of psychology research to back that up is that exhibitionists really do believe psychologically that women, if you're heterosexual in his case, that there are women who just really secretly, secretly, secretly deep, deep, deep down inside.

01:23:43.360 And this is very sick of a person to think this, that they might find him attractive and they might feel thankful that he allowed them to share his exhibition.

01:23:52.980 And that's pretty much the psychological profile of most exhibitionists when they're, when they're caught and they confess or they're examined, they say things like that, that, well, I thought that there was no problem with that.

01:24:06.660 I thought, you know, that they like me or that I'm sexy or I'm important because there's no other rational explanation.

01:24:12.740 You can't find privacy to do that.

01:24:15.000 You can't wait.

01:24:16.380 You have to wait only in a public forum, which is what Zoom really is.

01:24:21.500 It's a, you know, it's a de facto public forum.

01:24:24.600 And then I think he also doesn't think there's any deterrence, Megan.

01:24:28.740 I thought, I think he thought, you know what?

01:24:30.180 I'm left wing.

01:24:31.560 I've said some pretty controversial things in the past.

01:24:35.020 Nobody's ever said anything about it.

01:24:36.860 I've had some personal problems that were pretty embarrassing.

01:24:40.740 Nobody said a word about them.

01:24:42.740 I am very important.

01:24:44.160 I'm a Harvard guy.

01:24:45.080 I'm at the top of my game.

01:24:46.440 There's no way in the world anybody will ever question what I do.

01:24:49.780 And he had no deterrence at all.

01:24:51.960 And he was kind of right in a way.

01:24:54.000 He suffered for a few months, but they took him back.

01:24:57.740 And, you know, he was the object of maybe one or two jokes on late night TV.

01:25:03.060 Even, I'm not even sure of that, but I assume maybe one.

01:25:06.440 So what did he, he didn't pay much of a price for that.

01:25:09.440 But yeah, I don't think, I don't believe that at all, that he was just,

01:25:12.740 got a thought in his head.

01:25:14.080 I'm kind of sexual right now. 1.00

01:25:16.180 And I'm going to masturbate. 0.99

01:25:18.780 Oh, by the way, I forgot that I'm on Zoom. 0.99

01:25:21.280 And my God, I forgot that people were hearing.

01:25:24.420 It's just too, it's too.

01:25:26.540 That makes so much sense.

01:25:27.960 When I heard you say it, I was like, it was an option I hadn't even considered, to be

01:25:31.200 honest.

01:25:31.540 I mean, just the whole thing is like, he did what?

01:25:33.440 Why?

01:25:34.100 And he thought it was an excuse to say he thought he had muted the gift.

01:25:36.740 What sane human would say, oh, that's, I thought it was okay, because I had muted.

01:25:42.280 And now it's actually coming together, because you're right, exhibitionists think that you

01:25:46.400 like it.

01:25:46.600 Yeah, exhibitionists are narcissists.

01:25:48.280 That's a classical symptom of an exhibition.

01:25:50.680 They are narcissists, and they have this delusional view of themselves that is so self-important

01:25:56.880 that anybody would be fortunate to see them in their most intimate expression.

01:26:02.360 That's what they think, and they're so deluded.

01:26:04.560 But that's one of the pathologies of that syndrome.

01:26:07.980 And so I don't think anybody believed him, actually, what he said.

01:26:11.460 And I think basically the left said, he's a very useful tool in the revolution.

01:26:17.060 He comes on and gives a patina or veneer of being a sophisticated legal analyst, but he's

01:26:21.760 a total hack and partisan.

01:26:23.680 And during the Kavanaugh hearings, he said some pretty outrageous things and kind of helped 0.51

01:26:29.200 our ratings and almost got Kavanaugh.

01:26:31.660 So he's useful.

01:26:32.520 So we don't want to throw him completely out.

01:26:34.880 I think they regret Al Franklin.

01:26:36.320 They lost him, you know, and they think, you know, we're not going to do that anymore.

01:26:39.940 It's crazy that we have to think about that when we see Jeffrey Toobin.

01:26:43.600 Not that I watch CNN, but those viewers over there.

01:26:46.300 Look, I guess you get what you deserve.

01:26:48.260 Nobody's forcing you to sign on to CNN. 0.97

01:26:50.140 And you want to watch Chris Cuomo, who's tweeting out pictures of his ridiculous muscles every 0.98

01:26:54.320 night. 0.98

01:26:55.060 OK, and Andrew Cuomo.

01:26:57.040 He escaped too.

01:26:59.140 Right.

01:26:59.480 Of course.

01:26:59.800 Well, that's I mean, look at CNN, right?

01:27:02.180 Don Lemon's been credibly accused by another man of fondling himself.

01:27:05.840 Don Lemon was in a bar and then rubbing his hands all over some strange man's

01:27:09.840 a stranger in a bar.

01:27:11.980 And there's a bartender who witnessed the whole thing and says he can he can back it

01:27:15.100 up.

01:27:15.620 That's Don.

01:27:16.380 Then there's Chris Cuomo, who worked with his brother, Andrew Cuomo, to summarily discredit

01:27:19.980 the 11 plus accusers that have come out against his brother, Andrew Cuomo.

01:27:23.660 No problem. 0.82

01:27:24.700 And and now this Jeffrey Toobin, who actually gets caught on camera masturbating in front 0.94

01:27:28.460 of a bunch of professionals. 0.84

01:27:29.680 No problem.

01:27:30.300 And it makes me wonder what's going on with Jeff Zucker.

01:27:32.760 I think if you counted up all the people at CNN or include MSC, maybe to MSNBC, but

01:27:39.120 especially CNN, who have said vulgar, obscene things on the air or things that were completely

01:27:46.560 false, like hands up, don't shoot with a whole newsroom kind of walked out and wiggled

01:27:51.000 their hands in the air.

01:27:52.060 It was completely fabrication of Michael Brown or that the reporters that were fired for

01:27:57.340 saying, you know, that Anthony Scaramucci was working with the Russians or Donald Trump

01:28:03.100 Jr.

01:28:03.660 knew in advance of a Russian meeting on Trump Tower, all of that stuff.

01:28:08.200 I don't know how it even still exists.

01:28:11.860 Well, it's it's the reason why.

01:28:13.620 And this is the most charitable number I could offer the media's way.

01:28:17.440 But it was a study done by Reuters, the Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism at Oxford

01:28:22.160 recently.

01:28:22.760 They surveyed 46 countries, 92,000 news consumers involved in the survey.

01:28:28.080 U.S. ranked dead last when it comes to media trust.

01:28:31.820 We're behind Poland, the Philippines, Peru, Finland.

01:28:36.720 Just FYI, leads at 65 percent.

01:28:38.640 Trust their media there.

01:28:39.940 It's dead.

01:28:40.880 I mean, the journalism experiment in America is over.

01:28:43.960 We we can start over, which I think we're sort of trying to in the in the digital world,

01:28:48.040 in the audio world and elsewhere, but there there's really very few left to trust.

01:28:53.420 And I do think I've said this before, but I think it's about personal relationships and

01:28:56.760 just finding people you think are honest brokers, because these companies as organizations

01:29:01.760 very clearly have an agenda and it may or may not be yours, but it's not truth that they're

01:29:08.260 delivering.

01:29:09.540 I agree.

01:29:09.920 Maybe podcasts like we're doing today and blogging and, you know, websites that maybe

01:29:16.940 even Mark Zuckerberg can't control them all.

01:29:20.060 But there are people it's kind of encouraging that this monopol is monopolization of the

01:29:25.580 news and the distortion of the news or erosion of the news and the coverage has created sort

01:29:31.600 of a grassroots counter response, prairie fire and there are outlets that they can't

01:29:36.700 control everybody.

01:29:37.620 So there are people who can get the word out.

01:29:39.920 And let's hope that this is a model for the other industries that are controlled by the 0.96

01:29:43.720 left in which the right.

01:29:45.600 I think it's going to happen to universities, too.

01:29:47.660 Yeah, I think it's happening.

01:29:48.560 I hope you're right in sports.

01:29:49.680 I don't know, maybe not in sports proper, but certainly I love to see a place like Outkick

01:29:54.180 with Clay Travis do so well.

01:29:56.320 They've just been acquired by Fox.

01:29:57.580 But we need more and more alternatives for people who even if you're not right wing, even

01:30:01.980 if you're just sane and you recognize that the nuttiness of what's happening, there have

01:30:07.020 to be alternative ways to get your information, get your sports, get your

01:30:09.900 media, get your entertainment.

01:30:11.660 Even Republicans like to watch movies.

01:30:13.460 They just don't want to be lectured to about what bad people they are every time they go.

01:30:17.000 Bill Maher's been doing great work on that.

01:30:19.120 Victor, it is such a pleasure.

01:30:21.200 I love talking to you.

01:30:22.680 Thank you so much for being here again.

01:30:24.660 Thank you for having me again, Megan.

01:30:25.860 I appreciate it.

01:30:26.560 Victor Davis Hanson is brilliant, isn't he?

01:30:32.700 He's so good.

01:30:33.960 I mean, I assume you know who he is, but at this point, he's got an amazing podcast.

01:30:37.860 He's a brilliant writer.

01:30:40.320 He's at the Hoover Institute, institution, I should say, the Martin and Evie Anderson

01:30:45.020 senior fellow.

01:30:45.560 I feel like he needs no introduction at this point.

01:30:47.340 But anyway, as we wrap the show, I was thinking I'll just note it for those of you who haven't

01:30:51.780 been paying attention.

01:30:53.120 Do not miss our next show.

01:30:54.560 As I mentioned with Victor, we've got Marcus Luttrell coming on along with his brother.

01:31:00.240 You know, did you know he has an identical twin brother?

01:31:02.120 They're coming on together.

01:31:02.840 And he is the lone survivor, as you know, and we just thought going into this July 4th

01:31:07.420 weekend might be good to be reminded of brotherhood, sisterhood, patriotism.

01:31:14.640 What makes a Navy SEAL?

01:31:16.260 What's what makes an American?

01:31:18.080 What are the values that we share that bring us together as a nation?

01:31:22.040 What were the values that made him willing to die for his country when he got caught on

01:31:25.940 that Afghanistan hill years ago with his with his brothers who were all killed, leaving

01:31:31.700 him, quote, the lone survivor?

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The Megyn Kelly Show - June 30, 2021

Victor Davis Hanson on Defunding the Police, Woke Warriors, and the State of the Biden Presidency ｜ Ep. 122

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