The Megyn Kelly Show - Violent Protests Over ＂Killer Kamala＂ and Free Abortions at DNC, with Tom Bevan, Carl Cannon, Andrew Walworth, John Kass, and Estee Palti ｜ Ep. 864

00:00:00.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.700 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. It's Monday of the Democratic 0.51

00:00:17.340 National Convention Week, and in Chicago, local businesses are boarded up. Activists

00:00:22.900 are handing out abortion medication, and protesters are chanting,

00:00:26.160 welcome to hell week, as they run around dressed as little abortion pills. 1.00

00:00:31.380 Those are two different groups of protesters. Yes, the Democratic National Convention is

00:00:36.260 officially underway. Tonight, President Joe Biden takes to the stage for his, I don't know,

00:00:43.100 this is like his address before they put him on Mount Rushmore. Amy, I mean, Nancy Pelosi says he's

00:00:49.280 going to go, he should go out there, she'd be the fifth. She's not arguing they should take Teddy

00:00:52.960 Roosevelt down, but they should add Joe Biden. Meanwhile, he and she are not on speaking terms.

00:00:58.160 According to the reporting, Senator Amy Klobuchar assures us that there will be

00:01:02.120 tears of joy, joy. They'll be crying, there'll be tears of joy shed for Joe Biden and hugs all around

00:01:10.320 less than a month after he was unceremoniously ousted in what even Maureen Dowd of the New York

00:01:15.940 Times called a coup. But activists are not waiting for anyone to take to the stage to show their

00:01:22.860 anger. They're already on the streets. It's actually quite interesting because you've got

00:01:27.140 the groups of people who really, really, really don't like Israel, and in many cases, Jews out

00:01:33.760 there protesting, and they're like working with the mayor. We'll spew all of our hatred in an

00:01:39.720 organized way with the city microphones and stages. And then you've got this other group that's like,

00:01:45.640 F them. We want to be punched in the face by cops so we can go out and show everybody. 0.98

00:01:51.280 People need to get hurt in order for us to make a difference. So it's starting well. 0.98

00:01:56.080 There are these groups on the streets in the faces of Chicago cops saying, if you pigs, nice, 0.98

00:02:03.840 warning DNC leaders, either go home. If you don't go home, we're going to bring the war home. Watch. 0.98

00:02:12.140 D.C. go home. D.C. go home. We're not going to bring the war home. We're going to bring the war home.

00:02:21.900 Biggie, go back home. Biggie, biggie, go back home. I will bring the war home. I will bring the war home. 0.97

00:02:29.620 Fuck you, pig. I didn't see you. 1.00

00:02:31.380 Yo, fuck you, pig. You stuck off, pig. I'll get your nose broken, pig. You lose a fight, you stupid fucking pig. 1.00

00:02:37.520 Your face is fucked up, pig. Fuck you, pig. You look fucked up, pig. I hate you. 1.00

00:02:44.200 God, you are so fucking pathetic. Get a job. 1.00

00:02:47.960 And you have nightmares about the people in the Chicago police cameras. 1.00

00:02:51.200 You're a fucking loser, pig. You're a fucking loser. 1.00

00:02:53.100 And I know you're getting a whole week. 1.00

00:02:54.880 Welcome to a whole week. Welcome to a whole week. Welcome to a whole week. Welcome to a whole week.

00:03:01.740 Welcome to a whole week. Okay, just for the listening audience, that guy getting up in the face of this

00:03:06.800 very calm, restrained cop was obviously a man wearing a cafea, covering his head with breasts, 0.80

00:03:18.320 speaking in his man voice, calling the cop a loser and telling the cop to get a job. 0.93

00:03:23.620 Okay. Sweetheart, you might need a moment. You might need some time by yourself to do some life

00:03:32.840 reflection and come to grips with where things landed for you. Those moments we just showed you

00:03:38.460 courtesy of Julio Rosas at the Blaze and Tim Pool's team on the scene as well. Axios is reporting

00:03:44.500 Democratic lawmakers were warned not to book hotel rooms in their own names and not to confront the

00:03:50.600 protesters. Apparently, the protesters have been calling the hotels, looking for various Democratic

00:03:55.360 lawmakers. So that's nice. I'm sure they're feeling great because I'm like, you know,

00:04:00.200 the president, the vice president, they don't travel around with teams of security,

00:04:05.660 the lowly congressmen and women. We took a deeper dive into one of the groups expected at the

00:04:10.880 convention. Not sure if the man with the boobs calling the cop the loser and to get a job is 0.98

00:04:16.960 part, you know, trying to figure out which faction of protesters he's with. There's one that's really 0.97

00:04:22.860 nasty and there's one that's just medium nasty. In any event, we took a deeper dive into one of the

00:04:27.460 groups expected at the convention. And they questioned in one of their online pamphlets,

00:04:31.580 why do people in the U.S. have the right to prioritize their own safety? This group shared

00:04:37.920 this scene online today from nearby the DNC. It shows young boys being given bloody shoes by an activist

00:04:47.580 and then throwing them at pictures of Vice President Harris, President Biden, Donald Trump and others.

00:04:51.900 And while the threatening chants are disgusting, so are scenes of marches like this. Young women

00:04:59.920 right down the road, dressed up as abortion pills. I'm sorry. This is so absurd.

00:05:07.920 Oh, my God. They're wearing little pills that read Mifepisto.

00:05:17.720 You can't make it up. They're big white, big white circles for the listening audience. They look

00:05:23.700 like eggs. And their chant is F the courts, F the state. You can't make us procreate. I have a feeling 0.88

00:05:31.320 it's not going to be an issue for you ladies. I think you're good. You're, you know, the abstinence 1.00

00:05:37.960 program has worked for some over the years. Good luck with that. So is all of this going to turn

00:05:42.960 off swing state voters, most of whom are pretty normal? Or is it all just baked in the cake now

00:05:48.100 for Democrats? I mean, there's no one I want to talk more to about the abortion pill costumes than 0.86

00:05:54.580 the guys from Real Clear Politics that when I listen to their show, I think this is something they

00:05:58.520 need to weigh in on. Their website's a must-read destination, and I love their show. They're on

00:06:02.600 SiriusXM, a neighbor to yours truly as well. Tom Bevan is the co-founder and president of RCP.

00:06:08.540 Carl Cannon is Washington Bureau Chief, and Andrew Walworth is Chief Content Officer.

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00:07:08.560 So who I really wanted to talk to was Andrew, because I know Andrew is going to have strong

00:07:13.080 thoughts. Where is your myth of Pristone costume, Andrew?

00:07:17.460 Well, you know, I tell you, we arrived last night, and we were right off Michigan Avenue,

00:07:25.200 and we did see a bunch of protesters, and I will tell you the police presence outnumbered

00:07:31.720 the protesters about three to one in this one demonstration, and the demonstration seemed

00:07:35.920 fairly contained. But I do think what's interesting about these two competing protest narratives

00:07:41.960 is the sort of Planned Parenthood, and there's going to be an inflatable IUD that's 18 feet tall,

00:07:50.260 apparently. That's all actually in support of Kamala Harris. But in contrast, as you pointed out,

00:07:58.780 the anti-Israel or pro-Palestinian protests are really sort of against her. So sort of competing

00:08:06.700 narratives, I mean, there are two sort of issues that seem to have galvanized the protests here.

00:08:12.040 One is pro what Kamala Harris is doing and what she represents, anti-Trump, and the other one is

00:08:17.260 anti-Kamala Harris and obviously anti-Trump as well.

00:08:21.580 I mean, I don't know if the giant IUD...

00:08:22.780 It'll make for an interesting week.

00:08:24.600 Who is that supposed to appeal to? An 18-foot IUD only makes women around the world shudder. 1.00

00:08:29.320 No one wants to even think about that.

00:08:30.940 Meanwhile, down the road, this one's for you, Tom Bevan. Down the road at the DNC,

00:08:36.360 they're giving away free abortions, free abortion pills, and free vasectomies, my friend. So don't

00:08:43.320 think all the fun is for the ladies, because if you men had something you forgot to take care of,

00:08:47.720 you can put an end to it right down the street from where Kamala Harris accepts the nomination

00:08:51.680 on the stage Thursday night.

00:08:53.320 Yeah, we're actually going to send somebody down there to talk to one of these people that's

00:08:56.640 standing in line to get a vasectomy and just to understand exactly what's going on.

00:09:00.600 They said there's a wait list for this.

00:09:02.840 Is it going to be Phil? Please let it be Phil.

00:09:06.840 No, Phil's going to be, I think, over at the United Center, but we're going to try and track

00:09:10.460 down just to... I mean, it's fascinating, right? Wouldn't you want to know and hear from one of

00:09:15.820 these people who's standing in line to get a vasectomy at the Democratic National Convention?

00:09:20.060 Yes.

00:09:21.020 Sponsored, by the way, in conjunction with the Wiener Circle. I mean, you really can't even make

00:09:25.020 this stuff up.

00:09:26.140 No. What? Seriously?

00:09:28.340 Seriously.

00:09:28.640 Yeah. It's a hot tub place. 0.85

00:09:31.620 Chicago.

00:09:33.820 Chicago's known for his hot dogs.

00:09:36.100 You can only get the vasectomy on Monday, apparently. That's the only day they're offering.

00:09:40.340 But you can get the morning after pill and the other stuff all throughout the convention.

00:09:45.960 So if you're planning on coming down for your vasectomy, you've got to come today.

00:09:51.100 That's all very consistent with the Democrats' abortion plan in general. All the time. All the

00:09:54.860 time is fine. Yeah, there's no limits whatsoever. Please get the abortion on demand. 1.00

00:09:58.640 You can do it street side. You can do it in the privacy of your home. The one thing you

00:10:02.380 can't do is pray outside of an abortion clinic, but you can get the actual abortion. It's kind

00:10:06.360 of crazy, honestly. When I was younger, and I've said this on the show, I was liberal. I was

00:10:12.940 Democrat. I was a Democrat. And I was raised in a Democrat household. And I look around at this party

00:10:19.520 and these open celebrations of like, whether you're pro-abortion or not pro-abortion, there's no

00:10:25.900 question you're taking a life, the promise of a life to be most charitable to the pro-choice side.

00:10:32.220 How do you celebrate that in the street? How do you like, yay, I'm going to dress up as the little

00:10:36.020 thing that will kill the baby. So fun. Yay, I kill babies. Here I am. That's insane to me, Carl. I look 0.99

00:10:42.120 at this party and I think, isn't the name of the game at this point about getting those moderates

00:10:48.180 in the seven swing states? Well, Bill Clinton certainly thought so when he spoke here in 1996

00:10:54.300 while running for election. And he emphasized to the country, to the delegates, the press,

00:10:59.920 that he thought abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. That was the term of art.

00:11:05.120 By the time Hillary Clinton ran for president against Barack Obama's in the primaries. And if

00:11:11.720 you said that, you'd be booed. So the Democratic Party has changed a little bit. And I think it's

00:11:16.560 tied up in the environmental movement, this extreme idea that the planet is being threatened by global

00:11:23.360 warming. And there's this whole movement not to have children at all. And that's, it's sort of

00:11:28.340 caught up. It's, it's taken on a whole different cast and become more radicalized. And, you know,

00:11:34.600 you, Tom, you guys mentioned the vasectomy thing. I mean, it's like a bookmobile that gives,

00:11:40.020 remember those bookmobiles, Megan, when we were kids, they go around to neighborhoods and you check

00:11:44.060 out library books. Now you can go get a vasectomy at a bookmobile here in Chicago. And I guess my,

00:11:52.140 my main concern, if I was like, what if a car like ran into the bookmobile while you were having the

00:12:00.020 vasectomy, that wouldn't be good. Courtesy of Kamala Harris, literally a ball buster. 1.00

00:12:10.640 I'm concerned because if I'm, if I'm the Democrat party, I'm thinking, yes, I want to activate my

00:12:16.500 base, but they seem pretty activated just by her elevation, you know, just by the fact that she's

00:12:20.740 replaced the guy who is losing. Um, so now you've got all of this stuff that we've been discussing

00:12:27.360 and then less known, but also kind of interesting, Tom is they're posting all over the internet.

00:12:35.600 They're like diversity group sessions that are going on all day over there. Uh, there's the native

00:12:42.780 American caucus, the LGBTQ caucus, the black caucus, the Hispanic caucus, the climate crisis council,

00:12:49.840 the so on. So that's sort of white guys, white dudes for Kamala and white chicks for Kamala. 0.72

00:12:55.340 Like that was not pretend they, they remain a segregated party. The blacks don't congregate 0.99

00:13:00.760 with the whites don't congregate with the Hispanics, et cetera. And they actually, this, 0.98

00:13:06.380 this just was tweeted out before we got to air began. They opened at least on paper with a land

00:13:11.880 acknowledgement, a land acknowledgement. For those of you who don't know what that is,

00:13:15.780 it's where you stand up and you like pay homage to the native Americans and you express your

00:13:20.560 apologies for stealing their land. I'll read you what this one, um, sounds like the DNC wishes to

00:13:26.820 acknowledge that we gather together to state our values on lands that have been stewarded through

00:13:31.240 many centuries by the ancestors and descendants of tribal nations who have been here since time

00:13:36.200 immemorial. We honor the communities native to this continent and recognize that our country was

00:13:40.700 built on indigenous homelands. We also recognize and honor the traditional homelands of the

00:13:46.080 Anishinaabe, also known as the council of the three fires, the Ojibiwe, the Odawa and the

00:13:53.420 Potawatomi nations. Anyone sitting in Wisconsin is going to be like, what? What? 0.99

00:14:04.460 Yeah, look, I live up the road in Evanston, which is a very liberal community, just about,

00:14:10.880 it's the first suburb north of Chicago. And they've been doing this for years. And it's,

00:14:15.020 it, you know, the, the land acknowledgement at the beginning of the city council meeting is like

00:14:20.240 30 minutes long. I mean, it takes forever. They just keep going on and on and on. Look,

00:14:24.360 I think this shows the democratic party is still very much invested in identity politics and,

00:14:29.680 and, you know, for a party that's trying to, you know, bring people together and, and, you know,

00:14:36.960 unite folks, which is the goal of winning an election, by the way, they're doing it by segregating

00:14:44.480 and slicing people into these very, very small dudes. You mentioned, you know, white dudes for 0.90

00:14:48.780 Harris, and they've got all of these sort of individualized siloed identity groups. And, and

00:14:55.140 they're not sort of coming across as, as very inclusive of everybody. And I think that's a

00:15:00.540 problem. I think to the extent that they continue to speak in those terms in that way, it's, it's

00:15:06.560 going to not resonate fully and, and as, as broadly as it, as it should at this point in the campaign.

00:15:12.920 Well, so, you know what, this is reminding me of a couple of years ago, and the venue shall remain

00:15:16.460 nameless because they're very nice. And I like the people who organized it, but it was a remarkable

00:15:20.960 moment and it kind of encapsulates what we're looking at. So I went to this, one of those,

00:15:24.480 it's not a leftist think tank. It's more like a center center think tank that tries to get people

00:15:28.960 from the right and the left to come and speak to their group every year. They asked me to come and

00:15:32.500 speak. And I did, and I listened to the other speakers. And one of the other speakers was a group

00:15:38.300 of mostly black men who had been interviewed by this, the people putting on the conference

00:15:44.460 in the wake of George Floyd. And they had very strong reactions. And it was an interesting

00:15:49.200 bird's eye view into their experience and sort of the six months after Floyd. And, um,

00:15:54.480 one guy was very sort of anti the white savior movement that was emerging. Like leave us alone.

00:16:02.440 I don't need you. I don't live in a white community. I don't need your white hope, 0.92

00:16:06.340 your white help. You know, where were you when we didn't have air conditioning in our schools and

00:16:10.220 our kids are getting beaten the hell up. And, you know, because of this, you want to come in and

00:16:14.020 make yourself feel better by saving me. No, thanks. And he was a provocative, interesting guy.

00:16:18.360 The next day we go and you know who the speaker was, Ashley Judd and Ashley Judd got up there and

00:16:27.340 he was sitting right in front of me at the event. He was, we were both in the audience. Now this guy's

00:16:30.540 right in front and she starts with a land acknowledgement. It was over the top versus

00:16:37.200 the one I just read you. And, uh, and then she launches into the patriarchy and how awful they are.

00:16:45.500 And because of the patriarchy, she can't say what she wants on the internet and the 1.00

00:16:49.240 patriarchal stop this and stop that and blah, blah, blah. And white people are bad, bad. And this 1.00

00:16:54.200 guy turns around to me and forgive me says, and I quote, what the fuck was that? 0.97

00:17:05.760 Because I watch this is my friend is watching this right now. He's going to think that as he sees 0.97

00:17:12.260 Mifepristone pills and a giant IUD vasectomies on demand land acknowledgements and all of the

00:17:19.760 various groups meeting to declare their fealty to Kamala. Um, Tom, we'll stick with you on that

00:17:25.180 one. I don't know if this is the right messaging in a race that according to you guys, it still has

00:17:29.820 no clear leader. No front runner is the headline on RCP today. Yeah. I mean, we can get into the

00:17:35.660 polls in a minute because there were some polls released, uh, over the weekend that show that this

00:17:39.840 race is, is really, really close. Um, but you're right. And it also sort of, you know, some of the

00:17:45.780 sillier parts of it undercut the, right. The argument that, that JD Vance is the one who's

00:17:50.400 weird. If you're marching around in a, as an abortion pill down the streets of Chicago or 0.95

00:17:54.480 whatever. So, uh, it, again, I'm not sure you're right, Megan, it's about activating your base,

00:18:00.600 right? You have to do that. But as you said, people here are, are activated and it's gotta be about

00:18:05.560 getting to the middle, speaking to, uh, you know, independent voters and moderates, not about,

00:18:10.880 you know, having sort of the, the fringes and extremes of the party sort of running the show

00:18:15.360 here. That's not what they want. And we'll see whether, you know, it ends up that way or not.

00:18:19.780 Yeah. Okay. So meanwhile, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. I was just gonna say, I mean, the, the,

00:18:25.560 the thing though, is the base wasn't activated under Biden. So the fact that she has activated the base

00:18:31.640 is not a, an entirely crazy strategy for them to take. It's just at this point, can she move

00:18:38.900 towards the center or bring in those independent voters? And when you see things like Friday, when

00:18:44.100 she, uh, announced her economic plan, it seems like that was not designed to reach out to the

00:18:50.980 middle. And I think the question right now is, can she continue this sort of vibe based campaign,

00:18:57.560 which they keep calling it. And because every time she comes out with a policy, if it is designed

00:19:04.460 to appeal to the base, it by, in its essence is not designed to appeal to those middle of the road

00:19:12.440 voters that she's trying to reach out to. So I think that's the challenge she's going to have over 0.62

00:19:16.120 the next couple of weeks. And we'll see at this convention where she comes down, is she going to

00:19:21.240 keep speaking to the base or does she have an idea or two that will reach out to the middle of the

00:19:26.160 road? And, you know, maybe it's pro fracking. Maybe she comes out and, you know, defends the 0.99

00:19:30.520 oil industry. I don't know. Do you think we're going to get policy, Andrew? We're not going to

00:19:34.060 get policy. We're going to get joy and we can't go back. And I really think that, you know, democracy

00:19:41.080 is strong, but also weak. We're going to, like, that's what we're going to get, right? We're not

00:19:45.340 going to get new policy proposals, especially since she's, she tried for the first time on Friday

00:19:50.620 and really got her hand bitten, right? I mean, the Washington Post and all these lefties came out and

00:19:55.320 came for her saying, this sounds like communist propaganda. Right. But do you really think she

00:20:01.600 can continue just running on vibes alone? I'm not sure about that. At some point, someone's going

00:20:07.280 to demand that she take a position on something. She'll do it post September 18th, Carl, or whenever

00:20:14.740 the early voting gets underway in Pennsylvania. Well, they kind of ran sort of the vibe thing to

00:20:20.240 its end. They'd run into a cul-de-sac. Over the weekend, they had, what was it? Strength through

00:20:25.420 joy, which it took about, it took the internet about 10 minutes to remember that that was actually

00:20:31.620 a Nazi party slogan. I mean, and you know, remember when Donald Trump used some word that was once in

00:20:37.880 a Hitler speech and they said, he's quoting Hitler. Now the Democrats were literally quoting Hitler.

00:20:42.500 So I think if I, if I'm on the Democratic party, I say, okay, we've done this vibe thing. We've done

00:20:48.440 the joy. Let's start, let's start talking to voters where they are. So Megan, you think it'll

00:20:53.040 happen in September? It should happen soon though. If they want to win, I would think.

00:20:59.420 I want to go back over the Friday announcement because it's interesting. But before we get to

00:21:02.940 that, let's just stick with what's going to happen tonight because it occurs to me, you're going to

00:21:06.040 have Joe Biden get up there on a Monday, give his farewell speech. I mean, you know, this is the,

00:21:12.360 the first of his nine farewell speeches. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But this, but this is the moment

00:21:17.560 that clearly was promised, right? Like you, you step down, we will make a God out of you at this

00:21:22.980 Democrat. I mean, I can only imagine the setup video we're going to get because they know the

00:21:27.240 speech is not going to really do it. But Megan, have you actually been to Mount Rushmore? Have they

00:21:36.140 already started construction though? I bet they have. Yes. It's going to take as long as it's taking

00:21:40.940 them to build the crazy horse one, which is like 200 years. Maybe they'll have his forehead done.

00:21:46.580 But what's interesting to me is it's going to be basically a fraud. I mean, what's going to happen

00:21:52.840 tonight is Joe Biden's going to get up there and say, me, me, me. And also Kamala. Yay. Yay.

00:21:56.580 Democrats and Trump is bad. But if you read the news, what we're getting is this Democrat party is

00:22:02.380 fractured. It is definitely fractured in large part because of the Israel thing and the protesters, 0.99

00:22:08.120 but also because of what was done to Joe Biden. And while, I mean, I've listened to you guys enough

00:22:12.680 to know, we all thought there's no way this guy can continue, you know, in the presidency, nevermind

00:22:17.780 there's no way he can continue for a second term of the presidency. There's still a lot of lingering

00:22:23.400 resentments over the fact that he was pushed out. That was, uh, there was a news item just this morning

00:22:28.560 about Mike Barnacle, who appears on morning Joe every day, running into one of the Obama guys at

00:22:34.700 Wrigley field in Chicago. And the, the Obama guy said something to the effect of, thank God we got

00:22:40.480 him out. And Barnacle, who's more of a Biden guy said who the Obama guy said, Joe Biden. And apparently

00:22:47.560 Mike Barnacle told him to F off and went off on him. And this got back to Joe Biden, who apparently

00:22:53.180 laughed with the light and loved the fact that he called him out. So there's that there's the reporting

00:22:58.900 as Nancy Pelosi goes on her book tour about like all the weird revelations she's making about how

00:23:05.700 she read his letter saying he's staying in, but that really didn't sound like him.

00:23:10.500 And she, you know, she really didn't do anything. And yet they're not on speaking terms

00:23:14.560 and whether their friendship continues, it's really kind of his call, but she, she dreams. So she hopes

00:23:21.000 so. So there's that. And then you've got this, um, mentioned in the New York times by Mike

00:23:26.560 Donalyn, Biden's top guy over the weekend saying, I'm paraphrasing. We really tried for ways to make

00:23:33.840 her look good, but we just couldn't do it. It just couldn't do it. Was it Ron Klain? Donalyn's

00:23:41.080 also in there. They're both in there, but those are Biden's top guys. So I don't know. I mean,

00:23:46.280 Andrew, I guess I'll go with you on that one. What like, this is a party that's not quite as

00:23:51.140 unified and joyful as it's going to lead us to believe tonight. Yeah. I, I, I would be surprised

00:23:57.120 tonight though, if you got much of that vibe, I think that they will have it organized to the

00:24:02.200 point where Joe Biden will, uh, give a speech from the teleprompter. He's not going to go off script

00:24:08.060 and, uh, it will, uh, be reported, especially in the mainstream press as a big success. I mean,

00:24:15.220 one of the stories I'm watching in regards to this is the Hunter Biden story, because I think

00:24:19.300 that you may see over the next, you know, month or so, um, more and more sort of revelations about

00:24:27.100 Hunter Biden's, uh, uh, real relationship, um, because he, his corruption now that they've,

00:24:34.780 is that, yeah, now that now, yeah, now that they've thrown, uh, Biden out, you know, off the bus,

00:24:40.760 there's, there's less and less reason to sort of cover that up. And I think you'll,

00:24:44.440 that might be something that, that the Bidens are hyper aware of right now because they do,

00:24:48.880 I think want to make sure that he gets a pardon before, um, Biden, uh, leaves office. I mean,

00:24:56.220 he's still the president. That's the thing that people are having trouble with. I mean,

00:25:00.260 Joe Biden still until, uh, what January is, is the president of the United States. So

00:25:04.880 he still has a role to play in all this and people have to be aware. So, um, I think, you know,

00:25:12.360 it'll be interesting tonight though, but I, I do think that, uh, it'll be a pretty disciplined

00:25:16.480 first night at least. Well, I think there'll be disciplined throughout. I mean, the Democrats

00:25:20.700 are pretty disciplined. I mean, I think, and, and unlike the Republican party, which revolves right

00:25:25.760 now around one man, the Democrats have all stars for their people. I mean, their, their voters love

00:25:34.000 Michelle Obama and she's coming out tomorrow night. They still love Barack Obama and he's coming out

00:25:41.320 Wednesday night and they still love Bill Clinton and he's coming out tomorrow night. I mean,

00:25:46.620 it's actually kind of, if I were Michelle Obama, I said, I would say I'm not going on the same night

00:25:49.520 as Bill Clinton. I'm not. No, I put it, put me on another night, put me on Monday. I'd find with

00:25:54.280 I'll be Monday, Michelle. But I do think Carl, cause people are wondering whether there's still

00:25:59.320 opportunity for a bump for her or whether she already got her bump. You know, it's built into what 0.98

00:26:02.980 happened over the past month. I think she could still get a little bump with that cast of all 0.98

00:26:07.780 stars within the Dem party ginning up enthusiasm on their side. I agree with you completely. And I,

00:26:14.340 and I think the reason for that is the, is what you said earlier, Megan, there are still,

00:26:18.720 there's still lingering doubt, even among the rank and file, you know, for people, there's still

00:26:23.800 affection for Joe Biden in places. And I think if they can, if they can paper over that, um, although,

00:26:30.320 you know, and, and everybody sticks to their knitting and everybody does what they think. I think she

00:26:34.480 will, there's no reason to think she wouldn't get a slight bump coming out of here, but

00:26:37.520 she mainly got the convention bump before the convention. But as I heard you talk about it,

00:26:42.760 Megan, wouldn't it be a hell of a much more interesting and fun story and a great convention

00:26:46.740 if Biden got up there and threw away his speech and said, you know what? They want me to resign.

00:26:52.080 I don't think I, I think maybe I, you know, you're my delegates. I think I still want to run.

00:26:58.380 Now that would be a good story. This is malarkey.

00:27:01.060 Right. That'd be awesome. It happened. It happened here in Chicago in the convention

00:27:07.560 that nominated James A. Garfield. Garfield got up and said he was supposed to be speaking for

00:27:12.980 Senator Sherman. He says, so who do we want? You expect him to say Sherman, some wise guy yells,

00:27:18.060 we want Garfield. And it stampeded the convention. Maybe Biden should do that. He should say, who do

00:27:23.500 you want? Plant some shill out there, Hunter? We want Biden. Anyway, be a better story.

00:27:30.300 Yes, it would. Unfortunately, this whole process too is pretend because she's already secured the

00:27:35.660 nomination. They did it via digital vote a couple of weeks ago. So this is all kind of just pretend.

00:27:40.980 It's like when the couple-

00:27:41.540 Raining on my parade, Megan.

00:27:42.500 It gets eloped. They elope. Sorry. They elope, but they don't tell the parents. Then they have a big

00:27:46.940 wedding ceremony where only the parents don't know that they're already married. That actually

00:27:50.080 happened with my two friends back in Fox News. So I want to get back to convention week, but can we

00:27:56.320 spend a minute on those polls, Tom? Because this is the headline, no front runner in swing states

00:28:01.820 before Democratic convention. And everyone, I say this all the time, not just because you guys are

00:28:05.520 on. I've been saying it for over 15 years. Go to realclearpolitics.com every morning to start your

00:28:10.140 day. Just click on all the editorials. Just read. They put a post from the left and from the right.

00:28:14.240 So no one gets to corrupt your brain. You get to take in what both sides are saying,

00:28:17.680 make up your own mind. It's really kind of the only way to consume news in today's day and age.

00:28:22.100 So you've posted this by Jonathan Draker and he's citing that New York times Siena poll that we

00:28:29.000 talked about least late last week, but also there's a Rasmussen poll that's dropped and you're going

00:28:33.760 through all the swing States here from Arizona and Michigan and Pennsylvania and Georgia, all of them.

00:28:39.900 And the Nevada, the conclusion is no clear favorite has emerged. Trump was up. Trump is up 0.2 points

00:28:50.020 in the real clear politics average of the top seven battleground States. He led by 4.3 before Biden

00:28:57.120 dropped out. So it's a fall for him. However, he is still slightly in the lead. And if you look back at

00:29:03.640 where Trump was at this point in 16, he was down, I think six points and he won that election.

00:29:11.520 He was also down in 2020 at this point and he lost that election. So from all that, we glean what Tom

00:29:17.100 Bevin? Well, this race is looking a lot like 2016 to me. I mean, you had, you're right. So when Joe

00:29:23.760 Biden exited the race in the national polls, he was down 3.1% on a real clear politics average. He was,

00:29:28.540 Biden was down. Now Kamala Harris is up 1.4%. So it's been about a four and a half point swing

00:29:34.400 in her favor. Same thing with the battleground States. Trump was leading by 4.3. Now he's leading

00:29:39.840 by 0.1. So he's had about the same, maybe a little bit less of a fall. Remember 2016, Hillary Clinton won

00:29:46.060 the popular vote by about two, two and a half points, but lost the electoral college. And, you know,

00:29:52.480 in, in very close fashion in Pennsylvania and whatnot of these seven battleground States the

00:29:59.200 largest lead is Kamala Harris has a two point lead in Michigan. Every other battleground state now is 0.75

00:30:04.920 at one point or less. A couple of them are at, you know, 0.1 or 0.2. So it's incredibly, incredibly

00:30:11.760 close. And, and you know, I expect it to stay that way. I agree with you and Carl that she'll probably

00:30:17.560 get a little bit of a bump out of this convention. Um, but then the race will revert, uh, to sort of

00:30:23.980 the stasis, which I think is again, her leading in the national polls, but these, these battleground

00:30:28.360 States being incredibly close. And, and that also leads me to believe that I think this debate should

00:30:34.060 it happen on, uh, the 18th of September on ABC news is going to be crucially important for these

00:30:40.420 campaigns. Absolutely. Wait, I thought it was September 10th. Am I, am I, I'm sorry. They've been all

00:30:44.820 over the board. I probably got the date wrong. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. It is September. And

00:30:49.340 they announced it's in Philadelphia. Um, yeah, it's going to be incredibly important. It could be

00:30:53.880 that, you know, typically debates don't matter, but a race is close, um, with this much on the line.

00:30:58.460 I think it might. It's, it's so like all over the board. And I'll tell you, my husband, Doug,

00:31:04.320 with respect to real clear politics, he likes to go to the betting odds every day. And, um, he's not a

00:31:10.660 huge Kamala Harris fan and, uh, he was getting really worried because she was up by a lot in

00:31:15.140 those betting odds. And now Trump is back up. He was watching it get tighter and tighter.

00:31:20.220 And now Trump has retaken the lead in the wake of her economic proposals on Friday. And it does make

00:31:27.100 me wonder whether people are paying attention. I don't normally my instincts as like just a

00:31:33.060 commentator, not an economist, not a political operative are when a politician gets up and offers a

00:31:40.240 bunch of free stuff. Her numbers should go up. Americans like free stuff, especially Democrats. 0.99

00:31:48.220 That's why a lot of them are Democrats. They think that the rich get all the breaks and that the

00:31:53.640 Democrat party is going to look out for them. You know, the middle-class people who get screwed. 0.88

00:31:57.760 So you tell me I'm getting free stuff, like just cause I had some kids or because I have never owned

00:32:03.200 a home or because I'm paying a lot of the growth. I say, yes, I'm voting for you. That's going to help

00:32:07.540 my wallet. That doesn't seem to be what is happening. At least not to put too much weight

00:32:15.500 on the betting polls, Tom, but the betting polls are swinging back the other way. And when people

00:32:19.420 have to put money on this, they think he's going to do it. Yeah. I mean, and those are very reactive

00:32:25.340 to events, right? They, they tend to swing sort of in one direction or another. So, um, you know,

00:32:31.120 something could happen tomorrow and Kamala Harris could be back ahead. It depends on the betting

00:32:34.120 market that you're looking at as well. But listen, I, I agree with you. I mean, uh, the economy and

00:32:39.820 inflation is still the number one issue in this election by far. Immigrations may be, uh, you 1.00

00:32:44.580 know, in second or third, depending on which poll you look at. Trump still has advantages. And even

00:32:49.840 these, the Washington post poll and the CBS news poll that came out over the weekend that had Kamala

00:32:53.600 Harris up four and three points respectively. Trump had an advantage on those issues. The problem for

00:32:59.040 him as it's always been is the personality stuff, right? He's not seen as, as being as likable.

00:33:05.840 Yeah. Or as honest and trustworthy or, um, you know, on those sort of intangible metrics. And it's

00:33:12.520 because he goes off script and, and, you know, talks about her looks or her identity or whatever.

00:33:19.240 Um, he's got an advantage on the issues in this race. And so if he can stick to that, um, I think

00:33:25.480 he'll, he'll end up doing better, but right now it's, it is very, very close.

00:33:30.740 So we've talked about the economic remarks a little, but here's just a little more for the

00:33:35.680 audience. I'm sure you've heard what she announced last week. We were off on Friday, so we did not

00:33:39.960 cover it, but she's proposing, as I said, $25,000 for first time home buyers to help them, uh, with a

00:33:47.780 down payment on a house. She's proposing some sort of federal price controls though. Apparently this is

00:33:53.460 what she was expected to propose and the actual remarks as orated didn't necessarily sound quite

00:34:00.120 that extreme to those who expected actual price controls being proposed. Uh, we'll see, we have

00:34:05.120 no idea because she doesn't write anything down. There's nothing on her website and so on. Um,

00:34:09.360 and she's proposing a child tax credit of $6,000 for a child in the first year. JD Vance had proposed

00:34:14.780 5,000. So there's a suggestion by some, this is yet another attempt to copy a Trump Vance proposal

00:34:20.420 that might have more populist appeal. But here she is outlining a bit of that on, um, well, late last

00:34:28.940 week, SOP 3. Costs are still too high and on a deeper level for too many people, no matter how much

00:34:37.260 they work, it feels so hard to just be able to get ahead. Together we will build what I call

00:34:45.920 an opportunity economy. A lot, a loaf of bread costs 50% more today than it did before the pandemic.

00:34:57.620 Ground beef is up almost 50%. Many of the big food companies are seeing their highest profits in two

00:35:07.440 decades. So believe me as president, I will go after the bad actors and I will work to pass the first

00:35:22.420 ever federal ban on price gauging on food. A lot of, I like, I didn't see anything, almost anything

00:35:36.700 saying this is a good idea. I'll just give you a flavor, but this is a, uh, columnist for the

00:35:42.300 Washington Post, Catherine Ramble, who got, she got a lot of blowback. I went to her X feed. My gosh, 0.98

00:35:47.500 her side is like, Oh, she's been trying to soften it ever since. But this is what this is how she

00:35:53.300 reacted to it. Uh, after Harris said it on Friday, top five. We've seen this kind of thing tried in

00:36:00.360 lots of other countries before Venezuela, Argentina, the Soviet union, et cetera. It leads to shortages.

00:36:07.180 It leads to black markets. Um, you know, plenty of uncertainty, the devil's in the, in the details,

00:36:14.560 I guess for that bill, but it's really hard for me to imagine any form of legislation that, uh,

00:36:20.500 preserves the spirit of what she's proposing. That would not be, uh, you know, at best do nothing

00:36:27.060 at worst cause a lot of harm. Forgive me. That was her before the speech. And one more guys, um,

00:36:34.160 Dave Friedberg, who's more left leaning when in the all in podcast, he analyzes markets, including

00:36:39.100 food, agriculture, and reacted as follows. There is nowhere in the ag or food supply chain that we

00:36:46.360 are seeing fundamentally price gouging or profit taking happening. What has happened is the cost

00:36:51.240 of labor, the cost of moving stuff around the cost of fuel, the cost of electricity, the cost of goods

00:36:57.040 has all risen with inflation because of the increase in the money supply and federal spending

00:37:01.640 and the stimulus associated with the federal reserve buying assets onto their balance sheet.

00:37:06.640 This is a mistake. It is a problem. It is anti-American. It is anti-free market. It is

00:37:12.140 anti-innovation. It's anti-productivity. And ultimately it's anti-liberty. And I cannot stand it.

00:37:18.240 Hmm. So how do you think that played politically? Cause I personally was surprised she got so much 0.97

00:37:23.160 blowback. Uh, well, I'll tell, I'll tell you what I thought. I thought that, um, the details were less

00:37:30.380 important than the direction that everything she was saying was directionally pointed towards the left

00:37:36.460 everything was, was directionally pointed towards causing more inflation. And I think the American

00:37:41.060 people understand that if you, if you give first time home buyers, $25,000 to buy the house that

00:37:47.020 immediately will raise the price of that house by $25,000. That's the way subsidies work. And I

00:37:53.280 think the American people are pretty sophisticated about this at this point, they hear wage and price

00:37:57.660 controls. They know what that means. We've tried them here. I mean, that's, that was Nixon's policy as

00:38:02.600 well. So it's, it's not totally foreign. I mean, we've, we've seen it fail here at home as well as

00:38:07.720 in the countries that people talk about the Soviet union, Venezuela, places like that. So I think, um,

00:38:13.460 I wasn't surprised that there was this much blowback. I was surprised that she went that far left out of

00:38:18.760 the box. Um, and, um, I thought that, um, you know, Kathleen Rampelle, who you, who you quoted that is,

00:38:29.540 is, is, is a not, not a right-wing, uh, writer at all. And so she did get a lot of blowback from the

00:38:35.900 people that were sort of central left. Uh, and that might have surprised them. And we'll see, I think

00:38:40.520 now, whether she tries to walk it back a little further because it's unpopular or whether she doubles

00:38:46.640 down on it because, um, she, she was not alone, you know, she's, she's out there, but she's not by

00:38:52.160 herself. And here's the other thing, the 25,000 for first time home buyers, my understanding is

00:38:58.300 she went further than a proposal Biden had had, which would have excluded people who had owned a

00:39:05.140 home, but are now renting like my mom, you know, my, my mom is technically a renter now, but she's owned

00:39:11.580 a home her whole life. But under, I think Kamala Harris's plan, she'd be treated as a first time home

00:39:15.840 buyer and she'd get 25 grand, which right now my mom's probably listening to saying, I'll do it.

00:39:20.220 I'll vote Democrat. I'll die, man. My mom is a Democrat. She's a more blue dog Democrat. I'd say 0.96

00:39:27.100 in any event, um, here's Kevin O'Leary of Shark Tank fame and, um, real estate is his business. He's

00:39:34.660 been on the show many times reacting to that piece of it. There are bad ideas, bad, bad ideas,

00:39:41.600 and really bad ideas. And that falls into this category. When you give $25,000 to anybody in a

00:39:49.020 constrained market, you cause inflation. So if there's three houses to sale on the street

00:39:52.660 and everybody bidding on it gets another 25,000, all of that attributes to the seller and you cause

00:39:58.980 the price of the house to go up because there's no supply. Everybody knows in real estate, that's what

00:40:03.800 I do for a living, that it's not controlled by a federal mandate. Housing is state by state.

00:40:09.020 She can do nothing to solve that problem. You know, Carl, that makes sense, right? Like

00:40:15.980 everybody gets 25 grand and what happens? The price of homes goes up just like the college

00:40:21.500 tuition, right? It's like if the government starts increasing the amount we can borrow from the

00:40:25.560 government, guess what happens? Tuition goes up. Well, you've noticed that she did not, when she 0.84

00:40:30.980 talks about price gouging, just general thing, like it's the food growers, uh, the grocery industry,

00:40:36.620 by the way, their profit margin is between one and 1.2% year after year. She didn't go after

00:40:41.980 colleges at these elite universities. They've, their inflation's gone up, you know, two or 300%

00:40:47.300 in the last generation. She, you notice she didn't mention them, but I think there's something other

00:40:52.340 than the economic illiteracy about this that, that didn't, that didn't help her, that didn't help

00:40:58.380 the Democrats. And it's this, they, they've been trying out these different themes in this,

00:41:02.980 you know, vibe, meme based candidate, candidacy. And one of them is we're the freedom party.

00:41:08.780 Well, the freedom party then doesn't do, you know, like Soviet style. Um, well, maybe that's 0.66

00:41:15.580 too harsh, but it doesn't do command and control economy thing. It was at odds with what they'd

00:41:20.500 been saying. And I think discerning voters, and that's the kind of people they ought to be

00:41:24.920 thinking about right now is discerning voters in swing States think, okay, if maybe it's just all,

00:41:30.200 you know, maybe it's just all spin, maybe it's just all pandering, maybe none of it's sincere.

00:41:35.340 I think it also undercut their message, you know, in a kind of basic way, I thought.

00:41:41.920 There's one other, there's one other aspect to this, this housing thing, which I think people

00:41:45.960 should also take into account. Economists call it moral hazard, but it's the idea that when you

00:41:50.880 mess with incentives, you sometimes you're trying to encourage behavior, which we all like. We,

00:41:56.400 you know, I personally think it's great for people to buy houses. I'd be great if there was more home

00:42:01.120 ownership, but if you sell houses to people who can't, aren't qualified by sort of market levels

00:42:08.260 to buy those houses and pay those mortgages, they end up foreclosing on the house. And this has

00:42:13.980 happened before in American history. We tried it, um, you know, uh, the SNL crisis and people remember

00:42:19.980 it. Um, you, you cannot artificially create, um, a market without, you can't artificially

00:42:28.100 mess with the market without expecting some sort of blowback. And it's not a good, you know,

00:42:33.400 the market discipline is an important thing. If you can't afford a house, you shouldn't be buying a

00:42:38.260 house. You should wait until you can't afford a house. Right, exactly. So I think that that's another

00:42:43.300 aspect of this that people are aware of that you just, you know, this isn't the wizard of Oz. You can't

00:42:48.520 just wave your magic wand and create, you know, a different type of housing market. It doesn't

00:42:55.000 work that way. Economy, the economy will always sort of adjust and, uh, you know, bad decisions

00:43:01.640 get punished and we're encouraging bad decisions. It feels so dishonest, right? It's like, we all know

00:43:07.360 how we got to this inflationary cycle and the huge, the biggest driver was the spending that the Biden

00:43:13.820 administration did and the behavior of the fed at the beginning of his term. And instead of just

00:43:18.460 acknowledging that and saying, we're going to steady it, it's starting to steady. She just says,

00:43:24.180 look at the bad, evil corporations. They're terrible. They're the ones who did it. Even

00:43:28.460 though, as you point out correctly, Carl, the, the margin of profit for these grocers is, you know,

00:43:33.180 like 1%. These are not price gougers. Unlike the colleges, they are not price gougers. She,

00:43:38.800 she won't deal with the consequences of her own party's decision-making her administration's

00:43:43.880 decision-making. And this, uh, this is another real quandary for her because she's trying to

00:43:51.420 pretend like she's from the outside running to get on the inside. Whereas she's second in command 0.99

00:43:58.960 in the administration that's given us those problems, which is why Trump put out this ad

00:44:05.360 about two seconds after she stopped speaking sought for a lot, a loaf of bread cost 50% more today than

00:44:16.140 it did before the pandemic. Ground beef is up almost 50%. I'm Donald Trump. And I approve this message.

00:44:25.260 Pretty good. That's good work by the campaign for sure. By the Trump campaign. Listen, I mean,

00:44:33.960 you make the fundamental point, Megan, which is you can't, she's the quasi incumbent, right? Her,

00:44:39.160 she's been part of the administration, the incumbent administration for three and a half years. And so

00:44:43.660 for her to come out and say on day one, I'm going to focus on, you know, have a laser focus on reducing

00:44:49.460 prices. This absolutely begs the question, what have you been doing for three and a half, four years?

00:44:53.860 Right. And for her to try and say, well, you know, we're never going back. Well, to where we've been,

00:45:02.080 I mean, there are a lot of contradictions in her campaign and in her messaging. And she really does 1.00

00:45:08.660 have to try and thread this needle and portray herself as, you know, an outsider, even though 0.93

00:45:14.980 she's been the insider. And the other thing too, is that, you know, unlike in the past, Donald Trump is

00:45:21.720 a known quantity and it's not, we don't have to speculate about what, what he will do or what an

00:45:26.860 economy under him might look like. We've seen it. And, you know, the polling shows that most people

00:45:31.920 are look back on that time, um, pretty favorably. And so I think that's the other issue that's

00:45:37.160 complicating things for Kamala Harris. The national debt, I think is 35 trillion right now, 0.97

00:45:44.020 35 trillion with a T. So some people, cause we used to do this in America started to say,

00:45:52.180 how are we going to pay for all that? Where are we going to get the money for all of that?

00:45:58.960 There used to be a question we asked. Then we were told that this monetary policy allowed us to just

00:46:03.780 spend as much as we wanted. We didn't have to worry about the consequences. Yay. Well, it turned out

00:46:08.620 not to be true. People always wondered whether it would be true or not. It was, it was not. And so

00:46:14.180 an intrepid reporter tracked her down over the weekend and asked that bold question, how, how are

00:46:21.800 you going to pay for it? And it's amazing how she answers. I'll let her words speak for themselves here

00:46:28.180 in South 11. I mean, you just look at it in terms of what we are talking about, for example, around

00:46:34.800 children and the child tax credit and extending the EITC. That is, it's at $6,000 for the first year

00:46:41.900 of a child's life. The return on that investment in terms of what that will do and what it will pay

00:46:47.000 for will be tremendous. We've seen it when we did it in the first year of our administration,

00:46:51.340 we reduced child poverty by over 50%. So that's a lot of the work. And then what we're doing in terms

00:46:57.300 of the tax credits, we know that there's a great return on that investment. When we increase

00:47:01.400 homeownership in America, what that means in terms of increasing the tax base, not to mention

00:47:06.540 property tax base, what that does to fund schools, again, return on investment. I think

00:47:10.740 it's a mistake for any person who talks about public policy to not critically evaluate how

00:47:17.640 you measure the return on investment. When you are strengthening neighborhoods, strengthening

00:47:21.620 communities, and in particular the economy of those communities, and investing in a broad-based

00:47:25.900 economy, everybody benefits and it pays for itself. Okay. This is every time she talks about a plan or

00:47:35.660 tell when we're going to get a plan or when she's going to speak to the media. This is the clip I think

00:47:42.580 of you guys. This, you guys saw the movie, Meet the Parents, you know, Robert De Niro, Ben Stiller,

00:47:48.540 Robert De Niro is this undercover CIA agent pretending that he's a florist.

00:47:52.080 And Ben Stiller doesn't know that. And he shows up and gives him this potted plant of just dirt.

00:47:58.800 And he says, well, here, watch. We pulled it.

00:48:01.680 Look at this. It's a flower pot. With the dirt in it.

00:48:06.860 Actually, the real gift is what's planted in the soil, the bulb of a Jerusalem tulip,

00:48:15.540 which I was told is one of the rarest and most beautiful flowers in existence.

00:48:22.080 Oh, right, right. The Jerusalem from the Jerusalem tulip, easiest genus. Yes, yes.

00:48:30.900 Anyway, the guy said with regular watering, it should bloom in about six months. So,

00:48:37.280 well, we'll look forward to that, Greg.

00:48:38.820 That's a great clip. That's it.

00:48:46.840 Well, you know, if you're just, if you are talking about a sort of bad economic ideas of it, there is

00:48:53.000 one more, which is the no tax on tips, which is bipartisan, which is been sort of derided by most

00:49:00.820 economists as well as being something that is just going to, again, you know, it just people behave

00:49:07.100 differently when you change the tax incentives and you'll, you'll have people, podcasters being

00:49:12.320 paid by tips. At least that's what I'll be looking forward to.

00:49:15.160 Well, the richest guys are the first to figure out how, you know, some of us are just regular,

00:49:21.920 like paycheck employees. But those Wall Street guys, the real estate guys,

00:49:25.520 they know how to game all these systems. Like they'll, they'll always find a way,

00:49:28.600 but all of her plans are like, eventually you'll see them. Eventually I'll speak with someone in

00:49:35.700 the media. Eventually we'll see a return on investment that we make on the child tax credit.

00:49:41.020 Like when the kid grows up, I will look forward to that, Greg, you guys, it's been a pleasure.

00:49:46.980 Look forward to hearing your reports all this week from Chicago.

00:49:50.440 Thanks, Megan. Thank you, Megan. It's always a pleasure.

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00:50:55.700 All I can think about is, you know, every year at Christmas, we go skiing out in Montana and

00:51:04.140 every year I do like a costume party just for the family. We call it costume night. We go over the

00:51:08.800 top. I think I showed you this year. We did, um, we did the 10 commandments. Doug was the best Moses.

00:51:14.920 And, um, I think we're going to go as a various forms of abortion this year. That's 1.00

00:51:20.520 family celebration, like Mifepristone. I don't know the, the terrible, disgusting scissors that 0.76

00:51:30.340 they use. This is such, this is sick. This is how they're choosing to celebrate their party. 0.98

00:51:35.760 This is how I kill the baby. Well, this is how I do it. Yay. So fun. Let's go to Wrigley Field. 1.00

00:51:40.880 I, okay. Yeah, we have come a long way since safe, legal, and rare. Um, it is day one of

00:51:48.880 the democratic national convention underway in Chicago now, but as important as what happens

00:51:53.320 inside the arena is it's fascinating to watch what's happening outside. Chicago of course has

00:51:58.660 a history of protests and violence in particular when it comes to conventions. And my next guest

00:52:04.060 is an expert on the city. He's a legend in Chicago, his name. And you know, I'm well here on the MK

00:52:10.580 show is John Kass, K-A-S-S. He spent over 35 years as a prominent columnist at the Chicago

00:52:17.640 Tribune before departing in 2021. He is now independent and the founder of johnkassnews.com.

00:52:25.060 Always worth reading. So thoughtful and host of the Chicago way podcast. John, welcome back to the

00:52:31.280 show. Great to have you. Megan, great to be with you. And, uh, I don't, I hope I, I don't want to see

00:52:38.380 any pictures of the, uh, costumes though. I want to stay away from them.

00:52:43.600 They're, they're, these are crazy people. 0.91

00:52:45.940 I'll ask, I'll ask the Virgin Mary up on my right hand, you know, when she thinks of it. 0.94

00:52:51.440 I don't think she would think too much of it, but this is the new democratic party. This is not

00:52:56.100 Bill Clinton's democratic party. This is the progressive democratic party. And they're up in arms

00:53:03.920 to try. What do they want to do? Chase Jews, hate on Jews. I mean, I don't, I don't get it,

00:53:10.180 but that's what they're doing. So it must help them. Yeah. I think that is their plan. They've

00:53:15.780 said that they, they want to engage with the cops enough that they will get bruised up and that that

00:53:21.700 can be their back to school clothing. Their bruises that they entice or entrap the Chicago PD into

00:53:28.240 giving them. This is a cause to be select celebrated saying, why shouldn't there be violence?

00:53:34.080 When I was a kid, I cheered in Chicago in 68, you know, getting my, uh, my crew cuts, like with my,

00:53:44.240 you know, brush cuts from Stanley, the barber on the Southwest side and gauge park. We cheered,

00:53:53.460 uh, the police officers at the time. We cheered the cops giving as my friend, Pat Hickey says,

00:54:01.600 the wood shampoo to the protesters. And I don't want to see anybody getting a wood shampoo today,

00:54:10.040 but you know, I don't know what they expect Chicago to do. Maybe dominate the entire,

00:54:18.520 dominate. They want, they want, that's the whole point. This name of this,

00:54:23.440 this group is called behind enemy lines and they are saying openly who says protesting should be

00:54:30.340 safe. All right, hold on a second. I'll read it. Uh, we've insisted from the beginning of this

00:54:34.640 campaign that sight and sound is not enough, that this convention must be shut down and refuse to

00:54:41.680 engage with careerists and opportunists. Um, we've got to shut down the sheet, the streets to

00:54:47.500 actually shut down genocide, Joe and killer Kamala. Why do people in the U S have the right to 0.75

00:54:53.820 prioritize their own safety? How is any protest going to be successful if it doesn't challenge

00:54:57.820 and disrupt business as usual to actually disturb the normal functioning of a society that is aiding

00:55:03.100 and abetting a genocide. And why should any of that be safe? They say, if people prioritize their

00:55:09.900 own safety over the people of the world, then the protest will be a victory for killer Kamala. 0.65

00:55:14.280 It's that simple. Our responsibility to the people of the world is to actually confront

00:55:18.860 this convention and yes, take risks to do so escalate for Gaza, shut down the DNC. And you 0.64

00:55:27.720 know what your mayor did not for this particular group, but for the other protesters, like an offshoot

00:55:33.020 of them. That's a little bit more normal. He set them all up. He's like, here's your microphone.

00:55:37.520 Here's your stage. Have at it. He has no, uh, he's a weakling. This mayor is weak. You know,

00:55:46.440 we've gone progressively weaker mayor after mayor until now we've got a guy who basically lives on

00:55:53.880 pharmaceuticals and has panic attacks and can't handle the job. Yeah. You have panic attacks and

00:56:02.280 can't handle the job. And so, I mean, there was a famous story where a few weeks ago, he was chased

00:56:09.520 by Marianne Ahern of the NBC five. And he ran through an alley and ran around her and got into a car and

00:56:18.660 ran away. He's the mayor of Chicago. You're, you're afraid of, uh, of, uh, Marianne Ahern. I don't think

00:56:25.900 so, but anyway, that's his deal. Look now, what do you make of this security threat there? Because

00:56:33.240 not only do you have these lunatics and I don't know who's calling the hotels trying to find out 0.93

00:56:37.080 where the Democrats are staying lawmakers, but that they're, they're now being told use aliases to check 0.91

00:56:43.860 in. Then you have them out on the street saying, we've got to get violent if we really want, you know,

00:56:48.620 to get noticed. Um, and you've got these Chicago businessmen, smart men boarding up their stores,

00:56:56.920 expecting the numbers are as much as according to locals, a possible hundred thousand influx of 0.96

00:57:02.140 protesters trying to break shit up in Chicago. The left has already destroyed the city. They did so 0.97

00:57:09.840 with the black lives matter riots that they called what mostly peaceful. The media calls it mostly

00:57:16.820 peaceful. And, uh, it's never recovered since then. And now what do we have an outgoing Cook County

00:57:25.320 state's attorney, Kimberly Fox, one of the Soros sisters to Kamala Harris, who doesn't put people 1.00

00:57:35.180 in jail. She won't put repeat offenders, violent offenders in jail. And that's what she's run on

00:57:43.060 because she's run on the idea that, uh, law enforcement is racist and she doesn't want to be a racist. So

00:57:50.300 she caters to the law breakers. Unfortunately, Megan, the people who have their bodies broken 0.99

00:57:58.740 and their hearts broken are black people and Latinos, mostly women. And while the big fat cat donors 1.00

00:58:08.820 from this event are living in, uh, uh, Pritzker appointed Royal housing in Lake Geneva, and just driving

00:58:20.340 in 90 minutes for the, uh, for the convention, the rest of the people are stuck with it. I'm sorry.

00:58:29.780 The governor though, he sounds all John Wayne. I mean, you heard him on CNN, like, Hey, I heard they're

00:58:37.580 going to get arrested. Here he is. Listen here.

00:58:40.840 So, uh, it's a whole different situation. And honestly, I expect that we're going to have peaceful

00:58:45.240 protests. We're going to protect the protesters, but also protect all the people visiting 50,000

00:58:50.020 people coming to Chicago and the residents of Chicago. So I, the plan's been in place for a year

00:58:54.480 and a quarter now already. We're going to execute on that plan the next four days.

00:58:58.280 Certainly most of the protesters, I'm sure intend to be peaceful, but there are some groups that are

00:59:03.160 making it clear. They do not want to be peaceful. There's one called behind enemy lines, for example,

00:59:07.480 calling on its supporters to shut down the DNC, urging them to make bruises from Chicago police

00:59:12.940 batons, the 2024 back to school fall fashion. Um, you guys prepared for that? If there are

00:59:19.360 troublemakers, they're going to get arrested and they're going to get convicted.

00:59:22.300 Hmm. Yeah. Beautiful. JB. JB is the guy who promoted and, and, uh, endorsed, uh, Kim Fox.

00:59:35.180 He endorsed her, the Soros sister, the do nothing prosecutor, prosecutor zero. And now what? Now he

00:59:44.400 wants law and order. Come on. That's not, that's not what happens when you stop enforcing the law.

00:59:51.160 An amazing thing happens. And despite his fantasy that when, uh, you know, to become president,

00:59:59.480 presidential timber after, after Kamala Harris is done, I guess he'll be happy and he'll run for office,

01:00:06.880 but the damage has been done to the city of Chicago. And look, they're boarding, as you mentioned,

01:00:14.140 they're boarding up, they're boarding up the building, the, the storefronts downtown. You were

01:00:21.720 at the convention in 1996, the Clinton inauguration, weren't you? Or the Clinton? No, I was still a,

01:00:29.160 I was, I was still a practicing lawyer then. Actually, wait, what did I say? I was living in Chicago then,

01:00:34.460 but I don't know. That's what your staff discussed with your staff, whether or not you've actually

01:00:40.880 eaten a hot dog or did you eat the bun, a Chicago hot dog, or just spit out the bun? Always,

01:00:47.240 always ate the bun. Yeah. If I'm going to have a hot dog or a hamburger, I'm having the bun. I mean,

01:00:51.680 that's half the joy. Right. Exactly. So anyway, that's where we are with Pritzker and, um,

01:00:58.700 his fantasies and Kamala Harris and her fantasies and the people of Chicago, you know, the people,

01:01:05.040 the people that are hurt the most by all this Marxist nonsense are the children who don't get

01:01:13.020 educated. Only 17%, mostly black and Latino kids can do math at a grade level. And I think only 30% 0.98

01:01:24.260 or just about 30% can read barely. I mean, what kind of, what kind of city is this? And then we're,

01:01:33.720 we're doing this with the democratic convention here. So we're telling the world, telling the rest

01:01:40.000 of the country, you elect Kamala, you're going to get the Chicago way in your town everywhere.

01:01:49.160 Right. So she comes to Chicago, right? A town that used to be absolutely glorious. And now it's just

01:01:56.220 a shadow of its former self because of Democrat policies that have taken over and been in control

01:02:01.000 for some time. And we're supposed to celebrate her coronation in a city where not far from where

01:02:08.660 she will take the stage as our next queen. Uh, we had at least this past weekend, 23 shot five 1.00

01:02:16.960 fatally the weekend before at least, at least 33 people shot one fatally, mostly black and brown people, 0.99

01:02:25.720 but they don't give a damn. They could not care less because joy. It's truly joyful. If you're rich 0.98

01:02:33.180 and you're a connected Democrat, the, uh, the politics of this is that the left, the Soros prosecutors,

01:02:43.120 the democratic party, all of them, they ran against law enforcement because they were,

01:02:50.680 they wanted to promote their own people. But what that meant was they wouldn't, they announced that

01:02:57.540 they would not enforce the law and put repeat offenders in jail, in prison behind bars where

01:03:05.280 they belong. And so when you, what you get after year, after year, after year of this kind of thing

01:03:12.640 is chaos and destruction and anarchy. And that's what we have now, this is not to say, I'm not to say

01:03:22.120 that, uh, Trump is the greatest thing in the world because you know, he's a human being and no human

01:03:28.420 being is great except for you, Megan. But, but the thing is the anarchy that they're presenting to the

01:03:37.780 world and the desire from the Chicago, from the, uh, media to ignore what they're seeing and to put a rosy

01:03:47.660 face on it and call it joy and let Tim Waltz have, uh, his white man tacos, whatever those are with, uh,

01:03:55.160 mayonnaise and white bread, I guess. Uh, it's offensive.

01:04:00.360 Yes. Let me, let me show that to the audience, John, because they may have missed the Waltz Harris

01:04:06.420 interview where they sat down with one another in this long PR piece that they released where he

01:04:13.280 took what opportunity he had to denigrate whites. And she laughed right along because it's fine to 1.00

01:04:19.960 rip on white people. You, you won't be called a Karen. You can denigrate whites to the cows come 0.95

01:04:25.520 home. Whites can be shat upon. No problem by blacks by whites. It's not an issue. Um, here they are 1.00

01:04:34.100 laughing over their white guy tacos, suggesting whites only eat tacos with meat and cheese because

01:04:41.860 I guess he's now our official white person spokesman. Like I have white guy tacos and 0.65

01:04:47.860 like mayonnaise and tuna. What are you doing? Pretty much ground beef and cheese.

01:04:52.460 That's okay. Do you put any flavor in it? Uh, no. Um, here's the deal. No, they said to be careful

01:04:58.560 and let her know this, that black pepper is the top of the spice level in Minnesota. You know,

01:05:02.920 I'm the first vice president, I believe who has ever grown chili peppers. I'm trying to expand my,

01:05:08.500 uh, my food knowledge. You know, we've got some cantaloupes. You'll be fine. Yeah.

01:05:12.600 That's so funny. Oh, that's hilarious. I'm, you know what? I wish that these two morons

01:05:20.620 before they make any more pronouncements, before they do any more Stalinist price controls and so 1.00

01:05:27.500 forth, Walt should get on the L, get on the L because right. Yeah. The elevated train right up

01:05:36.920 and down at night and see how the people like it. Because women are victims on the L constantly. 1.00

01:05:46.760 I'm a big fan of two, uh, two websites like Victor Davis Hanson, of course, who's a big fan of yours and

01:05:54.460 love him. CWB Chicago, which actually does, you know, crime reporting.

01:06:02.900 And, uh, it's amazing what happens. Women constantly in the headlines, constant pounded,

01:06:11.460 smashed, beat. And the repeat offenders of guys been arrested seven times or 10 times or 15 times

01:06:21.240 and released from a, from, from, from jail while he's awaiting another case attacks a woman again and

01:06:33.200 again and again. It's happening all the time. I ask you, Megan, why these reporters, when they,

01:06:41.580 when they write that, uh, crime is down or whatever nonsense, when they say that,

01:06:48.040 do they have editors? Do the editors know? I mean, does somebody know, or do they just not care?

01:06:56.400 Well, you know, I mean, they just shovel it down the throats of the fools, right? Yeah. 1.00

01:07:01.580 John Cass tried to write the truth in the wake of George Floyd and all that nonsense. And that's

01:07:06.200 what ultimately led to his breakup was the Chicago Tribune. You're not allowed to write the truth.

01:07:11.540 And remember the post George Floyd thing, you weren't even allowed to point out that the riots

01:07:18.260 might not be helping the very communities that were supposed to be, uh, you know, getting the

01:07:24.440 most sympathy. None of that was allowed. And, but, but like the, the race stuff is so in your face with

01:07:31.000 the Democrats. And of course, now not only the congregating and like the blacks for Kamala,

01:07:34.860 the Hispanics for Kamala, the LGBTQs, um, they're, you know, they're deciding of course, 0.98

01:07:40.580 to dump on the whites. Cause that, that joke, yes, it was a throwaway dumb joke about tacos, 0.99

01:07:45.180 but there's a reason they felt comfortable. They would never do that in a way that would

01:07:48.800 denigrate black people or Hispanic people. And this is kind of silly, but it is interesting. 0.95

01:07:54.740 People online actually fact-checked he was lying. He was cosplaying the, you know,

01:08:01.960 dopey white guy there because actually he submitted the winning Turkey taco tot, 0.60

01:08:09.520 hot dish and won first place at center Al Franken's annual hot dish off back in 2016. 0.94

01:08:17.600 It was his third victory and his hot dish contained green chilies, taco sauce and chili

01:08:25.220 pepper powder, all hotter than black, black pepper. The point is simply, what does he do?

01:08:30.340 He shits on fellow white guys because it's so invoke. It's so like, it's fine to do that. And you know 1.00

01:08:37.280 what, when you do that, governor walls, you shit on my boys, you shit on my husband, you get shit on my 1.00

01:08:43.020 neighbors, little boys. And you tell them right. That they're uncool. They're lame. They're bland. 1.00

01:08:50.500 And there will be no one rooting for them in a Harris walls white house. 0.99

01:08:55.460 I've been watching you for years now. And the other day I was listening to Victor Davis Hanson

01:09:02.620 and he was talking about you. And what he said was this form, the long form suits you perfectly.

01:09:10.640 And I have to agree that you get into things that you didn't get into or couldn't on television

01:09:16.460 and the long form allows you the freedom to explore and question. And, uh, I love it. So

01:09:25.820 I love it too. And it's also, you can drop the occasional four letter word, which, you know,

01:09:32.760 I mean, I don't, it's very rare for me. Yeah. But every once in a while I'll do it. So what are

01:09:40.180 the odds of seeing like a Bill Ayers appearance at the DNC, John, my old favorite domestic terrorist?

01:09:47.320 Well, you know, uh, I think he should be there. I mean, isn't he around? I'm not chasing him. I'm

01:09:54.660 sure that, I'm sure that, uh, the New York times may be the stylist of the New York times

01:10:00.100 who's interested so much in style and the, you know, the, the verbal style. She might do it.

01:10:06.980 Might hang out. I would like to see, you know, it would be a cliche of

01:10:10.160 with Maureen Dowd hung out with, um, Bill Ayers, but you know, cliches in baseball.

01:10:19.180 Well, who are you most looking forward to seeing? I mean, we got Michelle, we've got Barack,

01:10:23.180 we've got Bill, we've got, uh, Joe tonight, Kamala, you've got, you've got Bevan on,

01:10:29.200 or did you have him on already? Yeah, I did first hour. Okay. So we had a bet that Michelle Obama

01:10:35.880 would be the savior of the democratic party and obviously not. So I don't know if I won the bet

01:10:43.180 or he won the bet as a result, but, uh, I was hoping for Michelle to see what she's going to say,

01:10:50.200 but really, really this convention is just a TV show and losers cover it. I mean, I look at me,

01:11:01.440 tie and the jacket, I'm covering it. I'm a Johnny reporter now, but you know, I remember covering

01:11:07.680 conventions for years and, uh, not liking the TV show aspect, but it's all TV. It's all TV now.

01:11:17.240 It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a TV show. So my, my advice to all of them love the Soros sisters,

01:11:25.120 because they're going to be your bosses in the future in your, in your neighborhoods and have a

01:11:31.320 hot dog. Yeah. You point out, I actually didn't realize I knew that Kim Fox was the Soros descendant.

01:11:37.300 I didn't realize that Kim Fox calls Kamala Harris her mentor and that these two are close. I mean,

01:11:44.860 they want us now to believe that tough on crime, ballsy prosecutor. No, she is totally on board with 1.00

01:11:51.660 the Soros approach. That's your, see your crackerjack production staff put that picture up. That was

01:11:58.440 wonderful. Yes, she is totally. I, she loves, and you know what, who else they have? They have in

01:12:05.500 common juicy smaller. Okay. Yeah. They both believe, I don't think I would like to see juicy

01:12:12.560 have a speaking role at this convention, but I don't think he's going to get one.

01:12:18.000 He's not suicidal. That's all you need to know. Not suicidal and not really going to jail for any

01:12:23.520 meaningful time because of Kim Fox. John, always a pleasure, my friend. Love you and have a great

01:12:30.060 convention. Bye-bye. Thank you. You can find all of John's work at John Kass, K-A-K-A-S-S news.com.

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01:13:51.580 I got to tell you, I am so sad today because one of the best and most influential broadcasters

01:14:03.700 of all time has died. Phil Donahue. I can't believe it. You know, there's some figures who

01:14:11.220 just seem larger than life to you. And growing up over the past 50 years, Phil Donahue was a fixture

01:14:17.860 in all of our living rooms, on our televisions for, you know, my coming of age years. And I got to say,

01:14:25.780 no one did it better. He ultimately became a friend, but for most of my life, he was just

01:14:34.200 someone I deeply admired and loved to watch. His interviews, smart, funny, entertaining, provocative,

01:14:43.500 wasn't afraid to go to the place that hurt. Ultimately, Oprah would come along

01:14:47.500 and she would be a lot softer. She would herself be kind of like a soft place to fall for people.

01:14:53.780 Phil could do soft and loving and supportive, but he could also do hard hitting

01:14:58.280 and made the whole genre of talk TV into what it was with the microphone running up and down the aisles,

01:15:07.300 sticking the stick mic in the face of his audience members, having them weigh in, having them fight,

01:15:11.520 getting all over the guests. It was exciting. We hadn't seen anything quite like it on TV.

01:15:19.060 I was enjoying, I think I told you guys this story, but I was enjoying one of his interviews.

01:15:24.180 You know how your YouTube feed just sometimes feeds you stuff you didn't ask for and you don't know if

01:15:28.820 it knows you or if it doesn't know you, you click on the thing to find out. Mine apparently knows me

01:15:32.620 because it fed me a Phil Donahue interview of the cast of Steel Magnolias at the time the movie was

01:15:40.840 hitting. So it was right as the movie was coming out. Julia Roberts was still this young sort of

01:15:46.760 ingenue and all the greats were up there. Olympia Dukakis, Sally Fields, Shirley MacLaine,

01:15:52.840 Dolly Parton. And I, this is just one, a small moment. You could pick 10,000 from Phil Donahue,

01:15:59.160 but just look how good he was. Look at this fun question he dropped on Shirley MacLaine.

01:16:06.120 I look at Shirley and I think of the kicks, you know, I mean, she is way up there. 0.92

01:16:12.080 Best looking legs, best looking body, best looking face in the business, triple threat. 1.00

01:16:17.360 She looks like hell in this bitch. 1.00

01:16:21.880 Do anything for an award, Phil. 1.00

01:16:24.100 I mean, they will never accuse you of vanity. What a wonderful performance you delivered in

01:16:32.340 this film. You are the most cranky, cynical. 0.98

01:16:36.940 Look how good he is, right? He set up the fact that she made herself very unattractive in that movie 0.97

01:16:44.020 with the compliments and with humor and then drops the hammer about how she actually appears

01:16:50.260 in this film. That is talent, people. That is talent. Keep her softened up, but get her to talk

01:16:57.740 about it. And she did. And she took it in good humor. It's just, I know it's not, you know,

01:17:04.240 Van Gogh. It's not Beethoven, but it's talk TV's version of it. He was uniquely talented.

01:17:11.580 And of course, he really came to fame attacking very serious subject matters too. Donahue managed

01:17:19.620 to open the door to discussing some of the most divisive subjects of our time, from abortion back

01:17:24.860 when, you know, it wasn't discussed, to sexual abuse, to very heated segments on the state of

01:17:30.920 race relations in America.

01:17:32.440 If the white power structure in this country is going to be said to have destroyed everything 0.94

01:17:38.440 black, then you are indicting black people as well. We were, in fact, and we are today

01:17:43.280 engaged in a struggle. We are, in fact, and we were today in many ways, and you can see it on the

01:17:48.860 street, engaged in a kind of warfare in which our survival is at stake. But don't tell me we have

01:17:54.260 won no battles in that war. None of us would be sitting here at all.

01:17:58.100 I don't know if it's fair to suggest that she's saying there have been no victories.

01:18:05.280 Okay. So sometimes he would lose control, but he always kept our interest. His success paved the

01:18:12.200 way for so many others. Obviously, Oprah is the biggest. She actually is on record as saying if it

01:18:18.100 weren't for Phil Donahue, there never would have been an Oprah show. I'm sure that's true. He invented

01:18:22.040 the whole thing. His show ran for 26 years. He won nine daytime Emmys for best talk show host

01:18:30.020 back in 2017. You know how like the years at NBC were not so great a year, year, not years or year

01:18:37.280 plus. Um, but I got to meet Phil Donahue. He and I met prior to my taking the job here. He was coming

01:18:46.020 on the show and I'll play you a soundbite, but I met him before I actually began work there on the

01:18:50.380 Upper West Side of Manhattan. And we went out to lunch a couple of times. He was so nice. He was

01:18:56.340 so good to me. He didn't know me. He didn't have to sit with me. Why would he? He was just a kind

01:19:01.760 guy who was happy to help somebody who was coming up and who was going to try this new thing. And by

01:19:06.960 the way, I would feel firsthand how this cannot be imitated, right? Some people have this gift and

01:19:11.980 some don't, but couldn't have been nicer, uh, about my life, about my family, about my job,

01:19:18.740 all of it. And ultimately he did come on the show and I spoke to him about his legendary career,

01:19:25.560 about his life. You know, he was married to Marlo Thomas, right? His love affair with his second

01:19:31.920 wife is kind of legendary, but he had a first wife with whom he had five children, four boys and a girl

01:19:37.900 and, uh, they were divorced. And in a typical sort of Phil Donahue moment, when he spoke about that

01:19:44.180 time in his life, he touched our hearts and managed to make us laugh too. You were raising your

01:19:50.360 children by yourself for a long part of their, of their childhoods. I've read Phil's book.

01:19:57.300 Yeah, that was, um, from the sixth grade on into freshmen in high school is when I,

01:20:04.140 uh, became a single parent of four sons. And I, I was, I was, I didn't know what to do with them.

01:20:15.100 And I was doing, you know, show every day, running back and forth over my shoes.

01:20:21.340 And, uh, I certainly learned a lot about what women endure. And I know the downy goes in the rinse cycle. 1.00

01:20:34.140 Uh, we did a show. I finally was able to get some help. Uh, a woman from Yugoslavia, very sweet, nice woman.

01:20:49.860 And I did a show on drugs and teenagers. And we had bongs and pipes and showed all the paraphernalia.

01:21:02.800 And I got home from work that day. And the woman from Yugoslavia, who was my nanny, 1.00

01:21:10.720 said, Mr. Donahue, we have those things under your boy's bed.

01:21:16.360 Oh, that's sweet. Right. He told that story. He, he just, he had a sense of humor always about

01:21:29.100 himself. And I think that's what helped him live so long. The second marriage, as I mentioned to

01:21:33.720 actress Marlo Thomas lasted for 44 years. They met when she was a guest on his talk show.

01:21:39.160 And they later described the meeting as love at first sight. And boy, it did seem to be, boy,

01:21:44.260 they loved each other. When the other one wasn't around, they talked about each other endlessly.

01:21:50.100 And in glowing terms, that was a real love affair, uh, till the day he died.

01:21:56.940 Phil Donahue died at home, surrounded by his family, his wife, children, grandchildren,

01:22:02.600 and his beloved golden retriever, Charlie. He was 88 years old and here is to a life

01:22:10.060 well lived. I will miss him. I will miss his body of work. And I'm so thankful that we have

01:22:17.720 a record of it so we can enjoy him still. Well, okay. On the subject of laughs and someone who you

01:22:27.980 see on camera, bringing them to you free of charge and just to improve your day, I bring in my next

01:22:34.280 guest. And it happens to be someone, you know, very well. She goes by vice president Kamala Harris.

01:22:39.080 It was a very tough booking, but we managed to get it. Um, and, and we're going to, we're going to go

01:22:45.300 through our friend comedian, um, and Kamala Harris impersonator, Esther Paltielova to get it.

01:22:52.220 Oh, she's also, she goes by SD Paltiel online and we have been cracking up over Esther's impressions

01:22:58.880 on this show for a long time. Let me just set it up like this one. I'll be running for president

01:23:07.880 of the United States and we have States. And there you are.

01:23:17.020 Yeah, because think about it. States should be united and all the States now, well, they

01:23:30.580 have a president to preside over them. Oh, that's good.

01:23:38.680 Esther absolutely nails it. She joins me now. Esther, welcome to the show.

01:23:43.920 Hi, Megan. Thank you so much for having me.

01:23:47.020 It's so fun to see you as your real self. Like here, you talk the way you normally talk because

01:23:53.700 you know, I've only heard you do her. Yes, honestly. I mean, I lose brain cells every time.

01:23:59.980 Sometimes it does get a little difficult, uh, but yeah, no, the real me front and center. So happy

01:24:04.700 to be here. So lovely to meet you. Thank you for having me. So tell us about yourself. Are you

01:24:09.640 in any way in comedy? Did you do impressions prior to doing this one?

01:24:13.720 Not at all. Honestly, this has all been such a whirlwind for me. I did start a little while

01:24:19.240 ago. So, uh, during the pandemic, I was forced to share a space with my husband 24 seven for the

01:24:25.700 first time ever since, you know, from the time that we got married and, uh, you know, things just

01:24:31.120 got hectic. Everyone was bored. I downloaded Tik TOK. And from there, it just kind of took a life

01:24:36.780 force on its own. I was just doing skits. I, you know, I just have a fun personality. I've even

01:24:41.660 patient facing, uh, I work as a nurse when I was patient facing and I was the funny nurse.

01:24:46.740 I was always mimicking the doctors, just picking up on everything they said. And, you know, from

01:24:52.120 doing the Kamala, which was by accident, by the way, someone had noticed that, you know,

01:24:55.960 I sound like her. I replied to the comment, made a video. And from there, you know, I just

01:25:01.840 really took a life force on its own. I kept, you know, I stayed consistent with it because

01:25:05.900 Joe wasn't looking good for me, you know, from the time that he came into office. So I looked at him

01:25:11.500 as somebody that, you know what, I think I have something here. I don't think Joe's going to last

01:25:15.860 four years. And I think at some point she's going to be front and center. And that's when I'll really

01:25:19.960 use this superpower that I've acquired, uh, you know, to bring it home and just show everyone how 0.89

01:25:25.880 ridiculous she is, because I do see that there is some support for her and I don't understand it.

01:25:30.160 So, you know, if I have this gift that I've been given, um, I will continue to ride with it and 0.98

01:25:35.380 just, you know, bring levity to the situation. We should have been listening to you as somebody

01:25:40.080 who impersonates her. You were paying attention to the dynamics in a uniquely attentive way.

01:25:45.200 And we should have been talking to you about what you saw. So you were right. And if she wins,

01:25:49.940 you're going to have a hell of a four years. But so how did you do it? Like some people can just do

01:25:56.320 impressions. I I've noticed this, like my husband's very good at it. He doesn't actually do

01:25:59.940 them for comedy or anything. Just when he's telling a story, if he launches into an impression,

01:26:04.240 I'm always like, you're really good at that. Were you always just that person? Like you,

01:26:07.760 you could hear the cadence and the way somebody speaks like that's just always been a gift for

01:26:12.140 you. I definitely think so. I don't have any professional, you know, skill in acting,

01:26:16.840 but I've always, I guess the word would sit, would be mimic. I've always been a very, very good mimic

01:26:21.620 and just listening to her. Um, at the first time I heard the impression and tried it,

01:26:26.920 I don't think I had all the cadence down and my voice was still like my voice, but you know,

01:26:32.460 over time you kind of learn to just listen to it. And if you listen closely, you know,

01:26:37.000 she does this tremble. She does this tremble where she's pretending like she's thinking about

01:26:41.700 something really, really important. And she likes to use her hands and you know, 0.80

01:26:47.260 when she's really lost, you know, she just breaks out into left laughter.

01:26:56.860 It's must be so fun for you. I saw you do one recently where you were like,

01:27:01.220 you you'd had it and you were like, this is post her, you know, replacement of Joe Biden. You were

01:27:05.460 like, Kamala, you've got to give me some new material. Oh my God. Three and a half years,

01:27:12.040 you know? Okay. So the mimic is there. I'm listening to the speeches and it's the same thing

01:27:17.180 over and over again. And at this point now I had a feeding frenzy on my hands. I have all these

01:27:21.960 audiences, all these platforms that like you were saying, like, give us more, give us more. And I'm

01:27:26.200 like, how, like, I don't know how else to spin this. I need her help at this point. She needs to

01:27:30.620 say different things. Uh, you know, so that's part of the reason why I was like, I need her front and

01:27:35.980 center for more content because people think what were the top ones that would jump out, you know,

01:27:41.220 that you were forced to do over and over because you've been watching her speeches.

01:27:45.360 Unburdening what has been over and over again. She has said that one. She still says that one

01:27:50.740 for the longest time. I tried to make sense of it. Um, I only recently learned that this is

01:27:55.440 apparently some kind of Marxist, you know, Marxist saying that she's been saying that she kind of took

01:27:59.600 right out from her dad's, uh, civil rights movement that he's been talking to her about,

01:28:04.040 but I don't think she knows that we don't know what she's saying. Like it doesn't really resonate

01:28:07.720 with anyone. And she tries to drive it in. Like it's her headline, right? Like make America great

01:28:13.200 again, love them or hate them. It's a great tagline. You know, it's patriotic. Everyone

01:28:17.440 wants America to be great, but her unburdening, what has been, I don't know one person that has

01:28:21.860 sat there and given her like some kind of trophy for that. Like, God, you know, isn't she so smart 1.00

01:28:26.060 and look how she speaks eloquently about unburdening what has been, she is the burden that we must

01:28:30.660 unburden, you know? So at this point it's like, I don't know what she's talking about,

01:28:34.620 but I really sometimes, yeah. Listening to her and trying to do the stuff verbatim,

01:28:39.060 it hurts. It hurts the brain. And I'm like, we need to, we need to spice things up. But now that

01:28:43.240 we have Tim Walsh, uh, and her, I call them, you know, Tim tampon campon. I love that. You know,

01:28:48.560 my friend was like, Oh, you should call yourself campon. That's what the campaign should run.

01:28:52.300 So I think that people are going to love that one. She's got unburdening. She's got her Venn diagrams.

01:28:59.000 How have you chosen to capture? Yeah. The way she talks to us, like we're idiots,

01:29:03.840 right? Like that's, is that one of her main themes? Because that's how I experience her. 1.00

01:29:09.540 She reminds me of the, you know, I have a five and a six year old. So when, when I started this,

01:29:14.640 they were really young and she reminded me of, you know, the preschool teachers that were talking

01:29:19.180 to my children because that's how she talks to her audiences and just looking at her. She's so

01:29:24.340 ingenuine. She's so inauthentic and you can't help, but observe her. And from an observer's

01:29:29.720 perspective, just watching her and listening to her for the impression aspect, my cadence kind of

01:29:35.400 absorbed all of that inauthenticity. And I use it to poke fun at her because you can see it.

01:29:40.720 She's so ingenuine. And from the fake smile to the nodding, like she's telling people like,

01:29:45.860 yeah, I resonate with you. But then she goes, let me be clear. Let me be clear. You know,

01:29:51.180 we all watched the television coverage of just yesterday. And that's what we've seen and we

01:29:59.320 haven't seen yet. And think about all the things that we have yet to still see. And, you know,

01:30:05.520 just because we didn't see it, it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Just limited to what we've seen.

01:30:11.120 And it's like, listen to that whole statement. That's by the way, verbatim quote from one of the

01:30:16.160 things that she said. It's one of my top faves because you can't make it make sense no matter

01:30:21.100 how many times you swing it. And just listening to her, it's like, what? And is that, is that the

01:30:26.020 purpose? Confuse the voter, you know, panders to the Democrats. You know, she adds a little accent in 1.00

01:30:30.600 there when she talks to the inner cities. I saw you and John Cass right before this. The pandering has

01:30:35.760 to be a favorite of mine because I'm a New Yorker. I've lived here, you know, 32 years and just

01:30:41.620 listening to how she talks to them. And I'm like, if I was a, you know, if I was a black voter,

01:30:46.160 I would genuinely be offended. All right. Cause she's talking to them, like,

01:30:50.460 you know, I, I make a mean pot of collard greens. And she's all of a sudden, like, you know, this

01:30:55.000 cadence appears from her that she like, she's Medea and Tyler Perry's newest movie. And it's

01:31:00.200 like, all of us see it. And I've spoken to minorities and we've spoken to each other. And

01:31:04.540 it's like, what do you think? You think she's being genuine? And they're like, I would slap her if

01:31:08.000 she was in front of me. That's ridiculous. This is racist. And how she was kind of trying to like, 1.00

01:31:12.140 act like she got all that flavor in that, in that ridiculous manufactured interview with her and 0.94

01:31:18.860 tampon. And, you know, that's his name, by the way, officially. And it's like, she's talking to him, 0.89

01:31:23.740 she's talking to him about like, Oh, you know, you didn't, you didn't really season it. And he's

01:31:27.700 like, Oh no, you know, this, this, I'm a white guy from Minnesota. And it's like, you look at him,

01:31:32.640 he's probably one of the people that encouraged her to do the vasectomies at the DNC today in Chicago,

01:31:38.640 because I don't know what tampons thinking, but that's not a self-respecting man. I'm sorry.

01:31:42.940 You're allowing that woman to basically prop you up like a little puppet and you're hating on 0.67

01:31:48.240 yourself and your own people. I mean, I don't, I'm not really sure of his history, but if he has

01:31:51.920 children, he should apologize to them because that is not, he loves cutting off body parts.

01:31:57.660 So I'm sure it is him. He's like, yes, I can cut somebody else's penis. Let's do it. Let's get a 1.00

01:32:02.000 whole van where they do it. Uh, I'm in ridiculous. So now I've got to ask you how you're handling

01:32:07.180 the drunk Kamala meme, because it, I think literally every friend I have sent me a text

01:32:14.340 over the weekend with videos. It's become a thing. People are starting to wonder,

01:32:18.540 you know, drunk or just normal, but there's a lot of videos of her kind of slurry on the internet. 1.00

01:32:24.660 So how, how are you incorporating that? If at all, I incorporated all the time because she's always,

01:32:30.320 uh, trying to almost like drive a point in with her hands. And she tries to sound like she's going to

01:32:35.540 say something so magnificent, but it's actually in the impression she's always kind of slurring.

01:32:40.180 So like today is today, like her voice, it breaks all the time. It trembles. And when you add that

01:32:46.900 laugh and her shoulders and she's just out of control and she's the only one in the room laughing, 0.99

01:32:51.660 she's either having a great time on something or she's just a joyful warrior as she calls herself,

01:32:57.640 which again, that's straight out of a communism book, by the way, uh, Hitler, Stalin,

01:33:01.000 they all love to use the word joy. So I love to, you know, really underline that in my impressions

01:33:06.980 as well, that she is just a joyful warrior during nothing to be joyful about. So, you know,

01:33:11.980 with the trembling, you know, with the trembling and, you know, imagine if I was on camera holding

01:33:20.000 a drink and trying to look now for the straw. And if you just listen and close your eyes for a second,

01:33:26.000 well, it just, it sounds like she's hammered, right? She's just having a good time at happy

01:33:32.740 hour. And you know, that's the best impression that I do of her. If I'm being quite frank,

01:33:37.700 the facial expressions are so good. The listening audience has got to go to our YouTube,

01:33:44.140 youtube.com slash Megan Kelly and check out a state here and on her own platform, because 1.00

01:33:49.200 the facial expressions are so good. What you do with your mouth. So truly you just studied her and

01:33:54.960 that came to you. Like, I can't even do it, but like you make your mouth go out there that she

01:33:58.620 does do that. Yeah. Yes, we can do that. Yes. We can take away your rights. Oh my God. You know,

01:34:07.040 I can't believe the audience is even asking me that. Of course we can take away your rights. That's,

01:34:11.700 that's what the democratic party is about.

01:34:18.780 That's it. That's what you're going to get over and over again from her. So, you know,

01:34:21.640 you guys want to vote for that. Go for it. Yeah. Right on. Have you been enjoying the emergence

01:34:27.840 over the past couple of days of the new, the new phrase? It's not new, but it's new again,

01:34:31.400 uh, of the duality, you know, the duality of America, it's both strong and weak.

01:34:36.840 And it's just so also fragile, you know? So the duality, right, Megan, you know, if you put up a

01:34:43.400 Venn diagram right here, right, the duality, it's so fragile and it's so pure, you know,

01:34:50.680 and I'm not really sure I know what I'm talking about. I just know I like the sound of the word

01:34:54.400 duality, right? It's a great time. Honestly, I've had, I've had a blast at the very least,

01:35:03.980 uh, you know, just had, it's really, it started as just an impression, just having fun doing her

01:35:08.400 stuff verbatim, but making it my own and using it to really expose her nonsense. I mean, that's a

01:35:13.900 superpower that I will take on any day. Do you think you'll get a call from SNL asking you to

01:35:19.180 play her on Saturday Night Live? Absolutely not. You know, they went with Maya Rudolph and I'm very

01:35:25.400 happy for her. I think Maya Rudolph is incredibly talented. Um, she's so funny. One of my favorite

01:35:29.860 movies is Bridesmaids, but it's a little bit of a vanilla impression. And you know, the fact that 0.79

01:35:34.040 they signed her on again and she got an Emmy for this award in the past, um, I'm sorry for this

01:35:39.140 impression in the past, it's a very vanilla impression. She kind of makes Kamala just seem 0.97

01:35:42.620 like nice, relatable, cool, fun and energy. She doesn't insult her in any way in the cadences.

01:35:48.440 It's very sad to me because I think we should be, you know, having fun with it. I love the Donald

01:35:52.900 Trump impressionists. I think it's hysterical to laugh at that man. You know, he's hysterical. He

01:35:57.700 says things listening to him, uh, you know, when he said, you know, with his stupid face, with his 1.00

01:36:03.460 stupid, you know, about Biden, like he just says things that's funny. There's so many people that 1.00

01:36:07.640 can do the impression. Cause he definitely has these mannerisms that are very, very specifically

01:36:13.100 Trump. Right. I think anybody can kind of attempt some kind of like, listen to me, listen to me,

01:36:17.740 you know, some kind of Trump impression. Uh, but you know, it's very sad that they don't want to make

01:36:23.360 fun of things the way that they once did. But I think it's a very delicate time and they would

01:36:27.660 never, you know, I don't know who they're afraid of. Oh, you know, when I come out and do Kamala,

01:36:32.680 I knock the light out of everything, you know, I'm sorry about that,

01:36:35.680 but it's just the demonic energy. Just sometimes it breaks glass windows and it's sometimes,

01:36:41.100 you know, goes through the lights, but that's okay. We'll continue. And I love, I love going

01:36:46.600 the back and forth, but yeah, listen, shout out to Maya Rudolph. I think she's great, but you know,

01:36:51.540 SNL, you got, you guys are leaving money on the table. That's the best thing, the best way that I

01:36:56.240 can put it. They should be having a lot of fun. They wouldn't hire you because you're openly

01:36:59.940 conservative too. You're openly conservative, which is a no at NBC. I can speak to that. And at SNL,

01:37:05.660 SNL, so they wouldn't react well to that, but they they're crazy not to, because you're right.

01:37:09.920 Like there's such money sitting there right on the floor. If they just pick up this impression,

01:37:13.620 put it on television, everybody will watch it. And, uh, they're not interested in something that

01:37:17.620 might actually legit make people laugh because it's slightly cutting as great comedy should be.

01:37:23.000 Well, yeah, I mean, and the powers that be really obviously don't want her made fun of it's that's 0.88

01:37:27.020 very clear, but it also kind of exposes their hand. It's almost like they're trying to show this

01:37:31.240 picture of her of relatable. And again, it's so manufactured that the other side of things

01:37:37.900 should really question this and say, Hey, if you're so proud of her, let her come out and make

01:37:42.080 speeches, let her come out and, you know, make press conferences, let someone make fun of her, 1.00

01:37:46.760 let her own it. The fact that she does not want to hiding from the press and they're afraid to even

01:37:51.120 make fun of her. I think that's very telling of today's, uh, you know, mainstream media feel.

01:37:57.520 And thank God there's people like you out there that are not afraid. I agree with John Cass,

01:38:02.060 by the way, you are incredible in long form. And I think that everything happens for a reason.

01:38:06.780 And this is just the way that things have to be. So if I have to do this, not mainstream media,

01:38:11.020 I'll still get my voice heard because of people like Elon Musk that believe in freedom of speech

01:38:14.960 and people such as yourself that can find levity in the situation, no matter what side of the

01:38:18.720 spectrum you're on. Well, you're welcome back here. Any time. You've been such a joy. When I

01:38:24.380 discovered you, I could not get enough. I've, I just spent like a day clicking on your videos

01:38:28.460 and I've been playing them on the show and will continue to Esther. All the best. Please come

01:38:33.180 back. Thank you. I will. Thank you, Megan. Okay. You can follow Esther on X, go to mommy R N, 0.92

01:38:39.800 you know, like registered nurse 88 mommy R N 88. You will not be sorry. She's spectacular. 0.98

01:38:45.480 Great for like a daily laugh. And who doesn't want that? The DNC kicks off tonight. We'll be watching

01:38:50.080 and we will cover it all with the fellas from Ruthless tomorrow. Thanks for listening to the

01:38:58.080 Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - August 19, 2024

Violent Protests Over ＂Killer Kamala＂ and Free Abortions at DNC, with Tom Bevan, Carl Cannon, Andrew Walworth, John Kass, and Estee Palti ｜ Ep. 864

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