00:10:37.200and just the things that you talk about when you're the president and the vice president.
00:10:39.940What is the progress of the deal? What are you hearing? How's it going?
00:10:42.920Well, I mean, the deal is done, at least the first step of it. And, you know, one of the
00:10:48.160things I've been doing for the past couple of days is correcting a lot of misinformation about
00:10:51.400the deal because I've heard so many conspiracies, so many things that just aren't true. So like,
00:10:56.620let me kind of run you through what the deal is and what the deal isn't.
00:11:00.320Yeah. Okay. So number one, what it says is effectively the United States will open the
00:11:07.980Strait of Hormuz, lift the naval blockade. The Iranians will destroy the dust and then hand it1.00
00:11:13.620over either to us or to an international organization. They will. So they agree to1.00
00:11:16.980destroy the dust. Exactly. And the third part of it is, assuming they comply with the terms of the
00:11:22.200agreement, there are all of these economic benefits that can flow to the Iranians. And so
00:11:26.380So what happens? So if you're an Iranian hardliner and you want to be out of this and you want to make this deal, but you don't want to sort of pitch it a certain way to a domestic audience, what you do is you go through the document, you identify everything the Iranians could get, and you say, we are getting it.
00:11:45.780And then you under-emphasize or don't even talk about all the things that they have to give in order to get those benefits.0.75
00:11:51.020And so, like, the way that I think about it is there's sort of a, you know, we're at a fork in the road in this entire relationship with Iran.0.89
00:11:59.800For 47 years, we've obviously had basically a terrible relationship with Iran.0.87
00:12:04.680They funded a lot of terrorist organizations.0.63
00:12:06.240There's obviously the nuclear issue that's been in the background, you know, going back well before Donald Trump even got on the political scene.
00:12:17.940Their ability to enrich uranium, to build a nuclear bomb, completely destroyed.
00:12:22.020Number two, their economy is currently in shambles, right?
00:12:24.920The blockade and all of the other sanctions have had a very profound effect.
00:12:28.740And number three, they are in a position where what they're saying is that they want to make long-term commitments to the United States and to the Gulf Arab countries to change their relationship.
00:12:39.620So that's true whether they comply with this deal or not.0.66
00:12:44.200Now, if they comply with this deal, I think it's much better for the United States, and it's going to be much better for Iran.
00:12:48.960But if they don't comply with the deal, the straits are still open.0.60
00:12:52.340We've still done incredible damage to their nuclear program.0.60
00:12:55.440And it's really, you know, we can get on with our lives as a country, and they don't get anything if they don't get anything.
00:14:41.740But straight open and nuclear sites destroyed and we're no longer fighting is where we were in February.
00:14:48.980Well, we did additional destruction to their nuclear facilities and particularly their capacity to rebuild.0.68
00:14:54.500So if you look, while a lot of people were focused on, you know, we want to replace the Ayatollah with Reza Pavlavi or somebody like that.0.77
00:15:03.060what the president always said is we want to destroy their ability to project power across0.51
00:15:07.760the Middle East. And, you know, obviously people always talk about Israel and Israel. I'm sure
00:15:11.600we'll get into that during this conversation, but it was just the Israelis, but it was also
00:15:15.140the Gulf Coast coalition that the Arab countries in the Gulf who were frankly petrified of the role
00:15:21.380that Iran played of their ability to project power of their ability to launch missiles and
00:15:25.880hit some of these energy facilities. But then also that industrial base that produced missiles0.84
00:15:30.940was also useful in rebuilding their nuclear capacity, right?
00:19:19.880We would not turn on the spigot if Hezbollah hit Israel over and over?0.93
00:19:26.040Well, what I would say is, like, if Iran is funding Hezbollah, we're not going to allow a bunch of unfrozen assets to freeze to the Iranians, right?0.75
00:19:34.780Now, I want to be clear about this, too, because those are not American assets.
00:19:39.020There's been a lot of misreporting on this, and people have said, oh, is the United States going to give Iran billions of dollars?
00:19:44.980It will be very, very crystal clear. Even if the Iranians do everything contemplated by this deal, not a penny of American money flows to Iran. But let me give you an example of one of these things that people, again, have misrepresented. Let's say, for example, that the United Arab Emirates, they've been one of the best allies that we've had in the region. Let's say that they want to invest in a nuclear power plant in Iran. They really can't do that without us lifting some of the sanctions that exist in the global financial system to make that possible.
00:20:14.240Now, are the Emiratis going to invest in Iran or is America going to let the Emiratis invest in Iran unless the Iranians change their behavior?
00:20:28.020We're saying that if the Iranians change their behavior, we're going to let some of these other countries invest in rebuilding their country and creating some prosperity for their people.0.95
00:20:40.180If the Iranians stop funding terrorism, if they're behaving and their relationship is transformed, not just with us, but with the whole region, like that's a thing to celebrate.0.96
00:20:49.160You know, somebody said, I forget who, but somebody said, you know, this is like doing the Marshall Plan when the Nazis are still in control.
00:20:56.660And that's wrong on a few different ways.
00:20:58.740Number one, the Marshall Plan was a lot of American tax money.
00:22:12.120Our plan under this deal is, again, the Iranians are going to get a lot of benefits so long as they dismantle that nuclear weapons program.0.93
00:22:19.520And again, people always ask me, why do you believe them this time?0.98
00:22:49.020Why can't we all see the MOU right now?
00:22:51.460So, first of all, the president said by the latest Friday, possibly as early as tomorrow, we're going to release the Memorandum of Understanding text.
00:22:58.200The reason why we haven't released it yet is there are some delicate diplomatic things going on where the Iranians and not just the Iranians, but some of our mediators, the Pakistanis and the Qataris have asked us to sequence this in the right way.
00:23:11.680I don't, frankly, fully understand it, but there are sensitivities that exist in the Arab and Muslim world that we're trying to be responsive to.
00:23:19.480Fundamentally, does it really matter if the deal comes out on Wednesday versus Friday?
00:23:23.600No, that's why we haven't emphasized it so much is because at the very latest, the text is going to be out on Friday.
00:23:29.820OK, yeah. I mean, you've already signed it, but it's not like legally binding to where you can't undo it.
00:23:35.580It's a diplomatic agreement. So it's correct.
00:23:37.640If people freak out, there's an utter meltdown here in the United States.
00:23:40.600It could always be undone if you change your mind.
00:23:43.120Exactly. And again, I could summarize this deal in like two or three sentences,
00:23:46.940which is that if the Iranians change the way that they behave with regards to their nuclear weapon,
00:23:52.500with regards to their financing of terrorism,0.89
00:23:54.880we are going to bring them into the world economy.0.93
00:24:22.040I wonder who that's a reference to. Seems to be a shot at you, sir. Not bold foreign policy. There's a guy named Yanan Magal, who is an Israeli journalist who's very close with Netanyahu, who is basically his mouthpiece, who called you a lowlife, called Donald Trump a loser.
00:24:38.000The Israeli ambassador to the United States called this so disappointing.
00:24:42.820Then there's Mark Levin, who's been rage tweeting about it every five minutes.
00:25:03.960But now that we're ending it, which you definitely don't need congressional approval for, he wants this treated like a treaty and is demanding you go before Congress, sir.
00:25:12.840Well, to be clear, I don't think that congressional approval was required.
00:25:16.160I really firmly do believe that the president, this is not was never a full scale war in the conventional or legal sense of it.
00:25:24.180So we definitely made sure that we dotted our I's and crossed our T's here.
00:25:27.480So I want to defend the administration on that point.
00:25:29.340But it is kind of ironic that they're really, really worried about stopping this thing, but they were completely gung ho about starting this thing. And look, I want to be responsive and charitable to some of these concerns. So first of all, why do they believe Iranian propaganda only about one thing, the peace deal?
00:25:48.580They don't seem to believe Iranian propaganda, rightfully so, about anything else.0.84
00:25:52.940So if you're in the position of endorsing Iranian propaganda only when it's related to this peace
00:25:58.220deal, then maybe you should check yourself a little bit and question your sources.
00:26:03.340The second thing that I'd say is, what is their alternative?
00:26:07.120If you look today, Brent crude is around $78 a barrel.
00:26:11.060West Texas crude is even lower, $75, $73 a barrel.
00:26:14.480I mean, the numbers float around a little bit.
00:26:16.440But what that means is lower gas prices for Americans, lower energy costs for Americans.
00:26:21.520That means that this little blip that we've had of an increase in energy costs, which has caused a lot of people some problems, we're now getting back to normal.
00:26:30.100And I think that fundamentally, if you look at what they're proposing, they're proposing an endless conflict.0.97
00:26:37.960They want this to go on until every bomb has been dropped or until every Iranian is dead.
00:26:43.760That is not what the president of the United States wants.0.87
00:26:45.960What he said is, I set about this to end their nuclear program, to eliminate their ability to threaten their neighbors and project power, and to fundamentally make sure that no future child would have to deal with a terrorist regime with an atomic bomb.0.63
00:27:02.000That's why the president set out to do this.0.81
00:27:04.460He feels, and he's right, that he's accomplished that goal, and now we can get to the negotiation to see what are the other benefits that we can get from this.0.94
00:27:11.720And frankly, what are the benefits the Iranians could get from this if they behave?0.68
00:27:15.960I just don't think that people who are criticizing this, one, they're not actually dealing with the reality of what's in it.0.91
00:27:22.960And number two, they don't have an alternative.
00:27:25.300If your alternative is just to drop bombs without any clear goal or any clear American interest implicated, then you're not making the wise decisions on behalf of the American people.
00:27:37.040The president is, and that's why we're in this position.0.53
00:27:39.460I'm going to give you a shot from Sound on Tape from John Podoretz, who is the chief over at Commentary Magazine, which is very pro-Israel, very neo-conny. Preview, he's not happy. Here it is.
00:27:50.720I honestly don't know if it could be worse. America is going to be in a strategically,
00:27:56.480tactically and militarily worse position than it was under Biden. He made a choice to test
00:28:04.600America's resolve and he has choked. He has chickened out. He has bled himself dry. Trump,
00:28:12.960the crazy lunatic psychotic who doesn't care about lives and will do anything and do anything,1.00
00:28:18.060could not bear the idea of putting a boot on the ground anywhere in Iran0.99
00:28:23.760and could not bear the idea of a single American possibly being taken hostage,
00:28:30.400I'm not saying that either of those is a good thing,
00:28:33.300but if you're going to go to war, you have to put boots on the ground.
00:28:36.420Everyone in the military has volunteered to put their lives on the lines for their country
00:28:42.020and that the country itself may have to sacrifice in the form of wildly higher oil prices
00:28:47.420If you think that the American national interest has to be engaged in this process, and if you go into the process and you lose it, and it's a complete war of choice, you have made things worse.
00:29:03.320Well, there's a lot to respond to in there.
00:29:04.780But I actually think, John, I appreciate that because John is kind of giving away the game.
00:29:08.420He's saying he really doesn't care that much about higher oil prices for Americans, doesn't care about high gas prices, and he wants boots on the ground in a country.
00:29:17.860Exactly. And once boots on the ground and casualties in a country of 95 million people where, again, the president of the United States never said that his goal was to install Reza Pavlavi to become the new leader of Iran.
00:29:33.740What he said is if the Iranian people want to rise up, great. That's their business. That's between them and their government.
00:29:39.240What we want is a cessation of their nuclear program, either through diplomatic means or through military means, as he ultimately went down that pathway.
00:29:48.060And I think, Megan, there's actually a deeper foreign policy debate that I think the last few months has sort of papered over here, which is when President Trump uses military power, he's not an isolationist, right?
00:29:58.400He's not a Rand Paul guy, a Ron Paul guy.
00:30:57.740And so for the first few weeks of this, actually, there was this totally misaligned thing where the Iranians were getting oil out of the Strait of Hormuz, but literally nobody else was.
00:31:06.340And we kind of flipped that on its head a little bit.
00:31:08.480We shut down any access they had to the Strait of Hormuz.
00:31:13.800But while that was happening, we were getting sometimes it was 12 million barrels.
00:31:18.740Sometimes it was three to four million barrels, but it averaged out to many millions of barrels every single day that us and the Arab allies were getting out of the Strait of Hormuz.
00:31:30.040And that leverage point did increase the pressure on them.
00:31:32.360This idea of closing the Strait of Hormuz, this has obviously been in some ways the biggest strategic back and forth of the entire conflict.
00:31:39.620That's a card you can play, but if you play it every day, it gets weaker and weaker and weaker.1.00
00:31:45.820And again, I think that's one of the reasons why we are in a stronger position here and why the Iranians are coming to the table.0.90
00:31:52.200You know, this, you know, John Potteritz is basically calling, it was this Israeli journalist who said, you know, the president's a loser and I'm a total lowlife or whatever he said.
00:32:01.980And Potteritz wasn't that far off.0.61
00:32:04.480What these guys don't realize is we fundamentally have all the cards.
00:32:08.380Like, what is it that they wanted us to do besides put 300,000 ground troops in Iranian soil, which we were never going to do?
00:32:17.060The president felt like he could accomplish his objective using the means that he used.
00:32:33.020But when the president says that we're dealing with more reasonable people, he is actually right.
00:32:38.380Now, again, my attitude is verification. I trust actions, not words. But we are dealing with people, some of whom our own intelligence agencies say, you know, these are the super hardliners. And what they're saying is, you know what, we are hardliners, but we've realized that for 47 years that maybe this is a mistake.
00:32:54.400Well, there's a report out today, though, saying that Ratcliffe, who runs the CIA, has been listening to their intel saying they don't mean a word of what they're saying. They're not going to live up to any of this.
00:33:02.980Well, first of all, I'd be skeptical of that reporting. You know, I always see sometimes with my own name on it, administration officials who believe this or that. I'd be very skeptical of this stuff. The inner team of the Trump administration, we're actually very tight. We're very close to each other. There isn't nearly the factionalism that people say that there is. So I'd be skeptical about that report. But I'll let John speak for himself.
00:36:41.560I mean, a lot of the non-interventionalists.
00:36:43.040But I talked to him last night and I said, Mr. President, I'm going to go on Megyn Kelly's show and I'm going to defend the administration's policies.
00:38:31.960So look, the coalition that made Donald Trump the president of the United States and J.D. Vance the vice president of the United States, people have to remember this.
00:38:39.680It was Megan Kelly and Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan.
00:39:12.740I know a lot of people don't agree with us here.
00:39:15.480They're very, very angry over the Iran war.
00:39:17.820It was like their number one issue. And they feel like Trump is not the man they thought he was because he betrayed that promise and didn't explain much about it. And I understand their feeling, too. But I will just say that, you know, Podoritz and Levin and all those those that's the original never Trump crew.
00:39:51.480And now they're starting to get a little wobbly.
00:39:53.460And I wonder whether the president sees maybe his new best friends aren't quite as in love with him and loyal as he thought.
00:39:59.880Yeah, and I would say the same thing to them that I'd say to the non-interventionists who have been a little blackpilled over the last few months. I'd say you don't quit the political process just because the president, who, by the way, has way more information than any of his critics have, is making a decision that they don't agree with. Disagree with it. We have the First Amendment in the United States of America. I'm not saying be a patsy. I'm not saying be, you know, a person who always falls in line. Make your viewpoint understood.
00:40:24.540but I think this is a very important part. In a coalition, we have a two-party system in this
00:40:30.920country. You've got, what is it, 80 million people, 85 million people who voted for Donald Trump.
00:40:36.120Nobody is going to agree with the administration 100% of the time. So it actually doesn't bother
00:40:42.200me that Mark Levin is criticizing this deal, even though I think this deal is great for the
00:40:46.820American people. I'm going to go on a show for the next few days. I'm going to defend it.
00:40:50.040What would bother me is if Mark Levin said, you know what? The president did something I didn't like, and I'm going to go home. I'm not part of this coalition. Screw that guy. I think that's the mistake that way too many people across our political system make.
00:41:03.760Has any of this influenced your thoughts on a possible run? Don't tell me you're not thinking about it. And I know you gave me that answer. But after these midterms are done, it's on. You don't have three years. You have about six months.
00:41:17.100You have to decide. You're going to have to decide.
00:41:19.020I mean, you know me, and you know that I'm kind of a procrastinator.
00:41:25.920I don't make decisions until I have to.1.00
00:41:27.980It probably frustrates my wife a lot of times.
00:41:30.680But we still don't have a name for our baby.
00:41:32.720And every time my wife tries to talk to me about it, I'm like, well, let's just figure it out when we actually see the baby and see what he looks like and want to name him.
00:44:42.180We take our kids to church every Sunday.
00:44:44.780And for some kids, even though their parents believe, even though they pray, even though
00:44:49.420they try to raise their kids to be followers of Jesus Christ, it just doesn't stick.
00:44:54.580And part of this was sort of trying to understand why didn't it stick for me.
00:44:58.940And I think there are a couple of reasons for that, Megan.
00:45:00.920And I think one of them is that fundamentally, I started to care about things that were, if not anti-Christian, then just were totally separate from Christianity.
00:45:27.160Which, again, there is a legitimate urge there, right, which is provide your kids stability, provide your kids some of the things that you didn't have.
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00:53:29.760Back on December 4th, the Trump administration announced it had accomplished one of its primary
00:53:35.900law enforcement goals of its second term, arresting, they said, the alleged January 5th
00:53:42.220pipe bomber. Federal officials announced that 30-year-old Brian Cole Jr. of Woodbridge, Virginia,
00:53:48.340had been taken into custody and charged with interstate transportation of explosives
00:53:53.180and with malicious attempt to use explosives.
00:53:57.140The DOJ has since added attempting to use weapons of mass destruction and terrorism charges to the list,
00:54:03.300and Cole faces life in prison if convicted.
00:54:06.380He's been in custody since his arrest and is back in court for a status conference next month.
00:54:12.140He's accused of planting pipe bombs near the Republican National Committee HQ and the Democratic National Committee HQ on the night of January 5th, 2021.
00:54:23.900That was the night before the riot at the Capitol, the night before the vote for the presidential election would be certified on Capitol Hill.
00:54:31.540The FBI has said the bombs were viable, but thankfully they did not go off.
00:55:45.000They place the second pipe bomb at approximately 8.16 p.m.
00:55:51.400The suspect then turns back onto Rumsey Court,
00:55:54.440walking east until the person is last seen on camera at approximately 8 18 p.m wearing the
00:56:01.260backpack on their shoulders the bomb is believed to have been placed shortly before this video
00:56:06.660based on how the suspect is carrying the backpack
00:56:09.580brian cole was not an obvious suspect he lived with his mother worked for his family's business
00:56:17.340had no prior criminal history and his lawyers say he is autistic but the fbi and doj say
00:56:24.420the evidence against Cole is overwhelming. They say they have cell phone data showing that he was
00:56:29.460near the RNC and DNC when the bombs were planted, that his car passed through a license reader in
00:56:35.400D.C., and they even say he confessed. Here's FBI Director Kash Patel talking about this case and
00:56:42.560detailing the evidence against Brian Cole. Watch. Obviously, we need to match the description of the
00:56:48.080suspect on video. The video has been publicized for years, but what this FBI did was came in and
00:56:53.000enhance the video. I don't know why the prior FBI didn't do that. I don't know why the prior FBI
00:56:57.040didn't look at the 3 million lines of evidence. I don't know why they didn't use our cell phone
00:57:00.340capabilities and our technological capabilities at the FBI. The only thing I can come up with is
00:57:05.380either they were too incompetent in terms of leadership or intentional. And I think it was
00:57:09.520intentional because it was a further weaponization of law enforcement. So when you match up the
00:57:13.720suspect's height and physical appearance with things like a license plate reader that attributes
00:57:19.300to him, and further information such as cell phone pings, you're getting into a very small
00:57:24.080circle of people that it could be. And once we're able to execute law enforcement process and search
00:57:29.760warrants over these last few months, we were able to produce what he bought, where he bought it,
00:57:35.240when he bought it, and the history of buying it, and how often he bought it.
00:57:40.320Director Patel said he had zero doubt that the FBI had arrested the right person.
00:57:44.980Let me ask you this. Now, having had 24 hours to process this since, you know, post arrest, is there any doubt in your mind you have the right man?
00:57:53.520We've got the right guy based on the totality of information and other information we haven't publicly released yet that we just can't right now.
00:58:03.180But there is someone who says Cole is not the man who planted those two pipe bombs, and that's his lawyer, Mario Williams.
00:58:10.180He says the FBI has arrested the wrong person, and regardless of that, that this case should
00:58:15.180be dismissed for another interesting reason.
00:58:17.940Joining me now, Mario Williams in the Red Studio.
00:59:19.580So I know it's easy to say bomb, you know, J-6 bomber, J-5 bomber, but I like facts,
00:59:29.420and I like to use facts to put things in context.
00:59:31.980So what I would like the public to understand that even though what you said is that the government said that the bombs were viable, that's not what the experts say.
00:59:41.700Now, we have on record an expert opinion, former FBI bomb expert.
00:59:46.840And so what I like to refer to as what people say is a bomb, is a device based on expert testimony and science that never could have detonated, did not detonate, and did not harm each other, which is very different from felony assault, felony battery of people convicted and then given a pardon regardless.
01:00:09.540When you say you have an expert opinion to that effect on record, you're saying in the defense of this case, you've found that expert and you've submitted that testimony?
01:06:07.360Just so the audience knows what we're talking about.
01:06:09.080You wanted to subpoena some of these records and some of these people, and you asked the judge to give you sort of a fast track to getting those subpoenas.
01:06:17.760and you filed that motion in the public record, which is how most court documents are filed.
01:06:41.120So the government gives us literally over 700,000 files, documents, basically.
01:06:47.760And so and they mark them and this is usual. They mark them all confidential, you know, attorney's eyes only.
01:06:53.700But somehow. These are confidential statements, confidential evidence, confidential video is put out in the press, that video that they keep talking about.
01:07:05.580That's been marked confidential. Oh, in the course of this case, of course it is.
01:07:10.780Of course it is. So you you mark everything confidential, including these so-called statements that he's made.
01:07:17.760You want us to go and say, oh, let's follow this pattern and let's go here and ask the judge for this.
01:07:22.660It's OK. We have confidential orders for a reason, but you don't abide by them.
01:07:28.880You come out and talk about statements. You come out and say, watch this video.
01:07:34.020That's not a public record. That was part of an FBI investigation.
01:07:38.340But because of the initiation of this situation, you thought it benefited you.
01:07:41.760it's okay to break the rules for you, the government, but it's not okay for us to do
01:07:46.040something that we believe is in our best interest. I believe this is one of the sound bites that
01:07:51.280you're not happy about. This is Janine Pirro, U.S. Attorney for D.C. Let's watch it.
01:07:55.780What was that moment where you were pretty confident the investigators were, to your mind,
01:08:01.220on the right path? In my mind, they were on the right path when it was clear that the cell phone
01:08:08.780was pinging in the exact locations where we had the video of the suspect walking along the area
01:08:17.540everywhere he walked his cell phone was pinging at the cell tower so it is it it is unmistakable
01:08:26.980that he was the guy who was walking along and placing those items you did the search warrant
01:08:33.200yesterday the arrest uh have you found the sneakers have you found any items that match
01:08:37.760what we saw in the video so you know about those uh air max speed turfs uh he told us that he had
01:08:47.440those sneakers and that he got rid of them after he placed the pipe bombs so now i want to talk
01:08:55.320about that yeah please that bothers me why and i'll tell you why first of all let's put things
01:09:00.160in context number one when brian cole senior was arrested he wasn't arrested at his house
01:09:14.640They had FBI as some of the best behavioral specialists in the world, okay?
01:09:19.800I have DA experts, AT, all kinds of people say, hey, Mario,
01:09:24.080they didn't believe this man was a danger.
01:09:26.080Because if you think he's a danger after you've watched him for months,
01:09:30.040do the same thing, get up, go to the store, buy pizza, walk his dog,
01:09:32.940Say hi to his neighbor, characteristics of autism.
01:09:36.520But if you think that, you go to his home, you surround it with probably every local law enforcement within a country mile, and you say, come on out.
01:09:45.840But Brian Sr., his business, what he's involved in, he has to know the law, and he knows his rights.
01:09:53.340He knows to say don't speak, to talk to a lawyer.
01:10:26.120But the most I can say about that is we're going to go ahead and do a motion to suppress evidence.
01:10:32.360I disagree with the context that she said that statement in.
01:10:36.260And that's the most I can say right now.
01:10:37.760Are we talking about specifically the confession?
01:10:39.640The alleged confession statements that they have attributed to Brian Jr.
01:10:46.060In that context of taking him under arresting him down the street, taking him to an interrogation room with FBI agents.
01:10:54.800I think it was 48 hours without any contact with his parents we are going to challenge that but he
01:11:00.780wasn't a minor I mean he's how old is he 30 years old yeah so they don't have to notify the parents0.99
01:11:06.880they don't really have that's all right but you you but you know you're dealing with an autistic
01:11:10.460person you there's no doubt about it is there no doubt is there a medical diagnosis yes absolutely0.89
01:11:15.380100 and they know that so that can be backed up absolutely 100 and they know that they have the
01:11:21.400best behavioral specialists in the world. They understood that. They followed him around for
01:11:25.520months, according to them. They saw him do the exact same routine every day. That's how they
01:11:30.140knew where he was. So we're going to challenge that. We're going to challenge those alleged
01:11:34.680confessions. We're going to challenge a lot of things that I can't, I'm not at liberty to say,
01:11:39.100hey, this is exactly what we're going to do. This is false. This is, I'm not at liberty to do that,
01:11:45.000but I feel very confident in challenging those statements.
01:11:47.380I mean, when somebody has confessed in a criminal case, one of the grounds on which you could challenge it would be that it wasn't actually voluntary, that he was coerced into giving the confession.
01:12:00.260But that's tricky. All of it's tricky. It's very technical. I don't really want to get into the legal aspects of it for the viewers and stuff.
01:12:07.700But I believe legally speaking, we can challenge what they are presenting, quote unquote, as evidence of a confession.
01:12:14.360just to and i understand you can't reveal everything so just you tell me what you can
01:12:19.000reveal but um are you suggesting that he didn't say the words i did it or that he he did say
01:12:27.540something that looks like a confession but you don't think it was obtained in a lawful manner
01:12:32.940well no i don't believe that he confessed when you take that that what we see as evidence
01:12:37.780in its totality i absolutely deny the fact that he confessed to doing this
01:12:42.000so there's no 100 it's not just that you object to the procedure that's right it's also you
01:12:47.420dispute the characterization let me say this i believe in brian jr's innocence in this situation
01:12:52.720total factual innocence factual innocence legal innocence look the bottom line is you got to go
01:12:59.960into a court and prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he meets the legal criteria now for some
01:13:04.940reason people want to say hey look even if he meets the legal criteria if you can beat that
01:13:10.300Does that mean he wasn't the person on the video that did that?
01:14:29.360I mean, I don't know the full extent of their evidence, but the things that have been highlighted as their best pieces are the confession, the alleged confession.
01:14:38.160Alleged, because I really have to stress alleged.
01:15:02.160There's the fact that he allegedly had the same bomb making materials as the government describes them in his home, in his room at the time of arrest.
01:15:12.180And the license plate readers putting his car and him in the area when the bombs were being planted on the night in question, January 5th.
01:16:33.740I didn't say I wasn't the police chief that said these devices were absolutely part of a strategic plan related to the certification within 12 hours.
01:16:42.920the government said that i didn't hold uh committees j6 bomber and all this kind of stuff
01:16:49.660in fact this whole j5th bomber only occurred after we started making the the arguments because it was
01:16:55.200always hey he's the j6 bomber okay the government made those allegations the government's allegations
01:17:00.600tie them to the events that occurred at under the capitol on january 6 2021 so what happened
01:17:05.540so we look at the the language say oh okay based on the government's own allegations regardless of
01:17:12.280guilt or innocence he's they're tying him to this so let's seek the pardon now what now we're going
01:17:18.220to get to the police though so what happens we exercise his legal right his entitlement to file
01:17:25.100a brief and argue for the pardon to apply and thus dismiss the charges what does the government do
01:17:31.120with no new facts zero zero new facts they amended they amend and go for the weapons of mass
01:17:39.900destruction which we all know the public you all know when you think of wmd you say to yourself
01:17:45.000nuclear warheads you do not think of a device based on expert testimony that could never have0.76
01:17:52.900detonated did not detonate didn't harm a person but they go and do that anyways they say okay
01:17:57.580you're gonna go out here and do this and i i've dealt with the government i've sued the united
01:18:02.020states and won an international court precautionary measures i've i've dealt with this my whole adult
01:18:07.300career. So they say, OK, you're going to do that. Watch this. I'm going to put this WMD charge on
01:18:14.540you. And then you're going to be facing life. So we're going to raise the stakes, raise the risk
01:18:20.500for trial. You're a lawyer. You know this tactic. Raise the risk for trial. And why? Because if the
01:18:25.640pardon does apply, we want to squeeze a plea deal out of it or something by raising the stakes so
01:18:31.220we can say we won and put some more pressure on them to get something out of this before a ruling
01:18:36.480comes down on the pardon i mean i will say my government sources say they feel very confident
01:18:42.420in their case and that they think we're going to be wowed by the amount of evidence against him
01:18:46.420look you can produce two million documents you still got to meet the legal criteria
01:18:53.960okay it's a circumstantial case yeah they don't have his fingerprints on the device that's right
01:19:00.020they're talking about gym shoes and sneakers and and uh in my opinion confessions that were
01:19:05.120unlawfully obtained, but they are not really confessions taken out of context. You're showing
01:19:11.060me, you know, 30 second clips, which I'm glad you're showing me because I want to talk about
01:19:14.28030 second clips that are completely contextual. You can produce anything you want, but the bottom
01:19:20.940line is you got to prove it. You're not, in my opinion, in my legal team's opinion,
01:19:26.460they're not going to be able to prove this. Can you tell us a little bit about Brian?
01:19:31.940Yeah, so, and I want to talk about, I want to tell you a little bit about Brian in the context of why he's still sitting in jail for no lawful reason, in my opinion.
01:19:40.500Because you wanted him out pre-trial, and it's been denied repeatedly by courts.
01:19:44.500Yeah, so what's going on, and in the context of that, I can tell you.
01:19:47.840So when you, and anybody, any criminal lawyer knows this, when you go for the bond, this is a little bit different because there's a rebuttable presumption because of the nature of the allegations.
01:19:57.440But you are able to rebut the presumption.
01:19:59.500It's a rebuttable presumption that he would pose a danger to the community.
01:21:34.460I didn't say, hey, we're going to because of the nature of allegations, but we're going to still examine all these factors to see if you can get out.
01:21:41.780Regardless, the punishment, legally speaking, on bond to try to deny bond is the rebuttable presumption.
01:21:49.060We're going to assume you are a danger until you meet these factors.
01:21:52.500But once you meet these factors, including conditions of confinement, house arrest, because see, that's what it is.
01:21:58.680It's not just Katie. I mean, I'm sorry.
01:22:02.940It's not just the issue that what he did.
01:22:06.540If you can meet these factors, it's not just not having a criminal history.
01:22:10.940It's not just, hey, he doesn't have a violent history.
01:22:13.920It's not just, hey, he's been working since he's 16.
01:22:17.300It's all those things plus house arrest.
01:22:21.880So if you put them on house arrest with an ankle monitor and then you waive his Fourth Amendment rights, you can come in and check on him at any time.
01:22:43.720I'm just telling you, a magistrate judge gives an order that is just, as a matter of fact, was factually erroneous on some particular issues.
01:22:54.240It's brought up on the objection to the district court judge.
01:22:58.080We're waiting for an opinion. And it's just a matter of fact that we didn't get an opinion.
01:23:01.580We got two sentences that said I'm going to uphold that.
01:23:06.400OK, so then we go to the Court of Appeals with a two sentence affirmance, a docket entry.
01:23:12.580We're waiting up on the court of appeals and we get barely more than that two sentence
01:27:27.400So before all this, I don't think he was officially diagnosed because a lot of times, especially in the African-American community, I feel very comfortable in saying this, in the era that his parents grew up in.
01:27:41.560Now, nowadays, 2026, man, on the spectrum, I don't even know what it means.
01:27:47.960You know, it can mean anything. But back in the 80s and 90s, you had a child who you say, oh, okay, well, I'm just looking to see if he's a problem. If he's doing well in school, he's not a problem. He has a small group of friends. Okay, well, he might be shy. He might be quiet, but we're not going out to get psychiatric help and put him on medication.
01:28:09.720So when all this happened, yes, he was definitely diagnosed as on the spectrum, as autistic.
01:28:17.540But the role that autism plays in forming sufficient criminal mens rea is something that I just have to leave to experts.
01:30:43.800But the thing about autism is, like I said, it's just something that is going to have to take shape throughout the trial if we actually get there through experts.
01:30:54.820Will it be relevant outside of the argument over whether the alleged confession comes in?
01:31:02.200I don't, to be honest with you, I don't even place it in that argument. See, for me, the argument about the alleged confession and all these statements that Patel and Bondi said acontextually, that has everything to do with the manner in which he was arrested and interrogated.
01:31:19.980Well, yeah, I mean, that's, I mean, the reason that's relevant is did they get something out of him that is not usable because he was.
01:31:26.080The role that autism plays in that is something that at that stage when we get ready to file that motion, if we believe that we need some kind of expert opinion on it or that's going to affect it, then we can take that up with our experts and the judges and file it in the motion.
01:31:40.340But I don't have any kind of opinion on that at this point.
01:31:43.080So what was he doing the evening of January 5th, 2021?
01:31:50.440Now, if I told you that, I'd give away the secret sauce.
01:33:57.020First of all, in this country, technically speaking, you can just vote for who you want to and you shouldn't be attributing certain things to them.
01:34:05.340I know Trump is a very polarizing figure.
01:34:09.540I have never talked to Brian about that that particular vote because I think it's irrelevant to his innocence.
01:34:14.720But what I can tell you, and I'd like to get back to this evidence, is that when we were doing the bond hearing, one of my biggest things was, hey, Your Honor, I know you asked the questions, but can we see some evidence of political affiliations here?
01:34:31.320like proud boys and uh oath keepers and can we see a history of political quote-unquote violence
01:34:39.260can we see a text message with anyone or saying anything that you would say that's kind of
01:34:45.260disturbing from a political perspective or this is right wing or left wing or whatever nothing
01:34:50.840see and that gets back to be honest with you getting the wrong guy see that stuff that
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01:41:37.860This is a left field question, but we're just coming off of the verdict in the Carmelo Anthony case.
01:41:44.280A young man accused of, well, now found guilty of killing Austin Metcalfe at this Texas.
01:42:29.400I didn't even look at the little snippets that I saw.
01:42:31.460I would scroll up because I just didn't look at it.
01:42:33.800Now, to answer your question directly about race in this case, this is the problem I have.
01:42:39.480And I'm going to explain my experience growing up in New Orleans, Louisiana, and how race, in my experience as a lawyer who deals with constitutional employment discrimination cases, sex, race, national origin.
01:42:53.820so when we file a pardon motion a motion to dismiss based on the pardon and you then come
01:43:07.340back with no evidence to raise the stakes and you put a frivolous and i i will go to the mat saying
01:43:14.760you're never going to prove this wmd charge it was just a scare tactic okay in my opinion because
01:43:20.740you could have done it before you didn't, but then
01:43:22.920you got mad because you filed the motion to dismiss
01:43:24.960for the party you raised to Annie. That does
01:44:12.040We know multiple people who actually pled out and were convicted for conduct that happened on January 1st through 5th.
01:44:19.520And it didn't matter if they were there on six, but you're still making that frivolous, unsupported, factually unsupported, legally unsupported argument.
01:44:58.740Okay, so that has no weight and they know it.
01:45:00.600So now they say, oh, well, wait a minute.
01:45:03.900This only applies to people who are convicted or are a part of this situation prior to the date the pardon was issued.
01:45:13.420OK, really, because without being too technical, statutory construction, fundamental principles of statutory construction that apply to this pardon easily say if the president wanted to say pending charges and reduce that down to only at the time of the pardon, he would have done that.
01:45:35.480he didn't say it that's just another way to say let's just think of every single thing we can
01:45:43.040think of to say what is obvious we've already put ourselves in a hole by relating his conduct
01:45:50.680but now we got to get out of that so we're willing to say anything that's my personal opinion0.92
01:45:55.860but here's the thing about race a lot of people will say women blacks uh latinos are oh you're0.95
01:46:05.240throwing out the race card. No, that's not really true in my experience. What happens is0.73
01:46:09.420those groups, those demographics find themselves in a situation where it's not making sense,
01:46:16.480where they're saying, hey, look, wait a minute. I know a guy that's on video
01:46:22.680assaulting law enforcement officers. He was so out of control that a fellow Jay Sitcher tried
01:46:30.880to stop him he assaulted him cracked open the shield of an officer that laid down and thought
01:46:36.460he was about to die got convicted and didn't get his and people need to understand this about
01:46:43.220clemency clemency is two things you can get a commuter sentence which just means you can't
01:46:47.740spend any time in jail but then you can turn around and get a full pardon which restores all
01:46:52.100your rights your rights to gun violence and everything else that you might think of that
01:46:56.680you had before, you get them restored. So this person gets convicted, 49-page memorandum by the
01:47:05.540government for his sentencing, and he gets a full pardon. Then you start saying, okay, that guy's
01:47:11.180white. Now, let's look at the most extreme people involved in this situation. Then some people
01:47:18.600start saying, hey, and not necessarily me. Some people are saying, hey, well, hold on. The
01:47:23.600government relates the conduct of my client to this, these other people actually got convicted
01:47:29.700for felony assault. See, some people say J6 is patriotic. I say convicted felon. Convicted felon,
01:47:37.440pardon. Is it your contention that all of the people who benefited from the J6 pardon are white?0.77
01:47:43.620No, not at all. What I'm saying is the most heinous acts that I've seen that were committed0.99
01:47:50.520and people got convicted on draws the specter of race.
01:47:54.540I'm not saying, look, I said before, I don't accuse me.0.94
01:48:31.620If he actually planted a viable bomb, which is what the government claims, I know you claim no, then he's got to go to prison for a very long time.
01:48:38.220Well, see, that's why I disagree because these people.
01:49:45.100The pardon was very controversial for the reasons you're out.
01:49:47.920But see what you're laying out, but not race. But you asked me about race. People start thinking about race when they see, hey, why is the government fighting the pardon with frivolous arguments?
01:49:58.220Can it be his circumstances are different? I understand your argument that, OK, they're saying the motivation for dropping these bombs was allegedly disgruntled over how the election was playing out.
01:50:12.220But the truth is, January 5th is a whole different date than January 6th, and January 6th involved a very different situation.
01:50:19.800It was rioting at the Capitol, insurrection if you ask the president's detractors, and assaults on police officers, illegal entry.
01:50:28.960Those are the crimes that we've seen charged around J6, and then excessive treatment of some of the defendants versus how they'd normally treat a trespass case, for example.
01:50:39.020This is something that was a prelude to it, that I think the theory of the case has been,
01:50:45.180well, it actually depends on who you ask and who you're looking at as the defendant on the theory of why these bombs were placed there.
01:50:49.920When they thought it might be this other person, it was a training exercise, allegedly, to distract officers from what was happening on Capitol Hill.
01:50:57.300And with your client, I don't actually fully know why they say he did it, but it didn't happen on J6.
01:51:02.860And we don't know the motivation was related to J-FET.
01:51:06.600Let's go back to what you said initially.
01:51:08.560You said the circumstances are entirely different, but that's saying the same argument.
01:51:54.600I further direct the Attorney General to pursue dismissal with prejudice to the government
01:51:59.500of all pending indictments against individuals for their conduct related to the events at or near the Capitol.
01:52:04.820There you go. What do you mean? Read it again. This wasn't a pending indictment at the time he issued this pardon. You're putting in at the time he issued the pardon. What do you mean? No. Pending forevermore? No. Look at the preamble. The preamble. President Trump said, hey, I just want to get past anything dealing with J6.
01:53:01.500Not only do I believe it doesn't fly, to sit there and say the distinction is, ultimately, because that's what you're saying, he just wasn't there on J6.
01:53:12.660As long as his conduct, as alleged by the government related to J6, he falls squarely within the pardon's plain language.
01:54:20.200And, you know, my understanding and my experience, especially at the court of appeals level, but even at district court levels, judges kind of come in with their mind made up on an oral argument.
01:54:28.400You might be able to say something, but the chances that you actually reverse a preconceived position are very slim.
01:54:35.780So I'm not so much worried about getting an oral argument.
01:54:38.920I'm really worried about just sticking to the paper, you know, what we argue versus what they argue, you know, because they made that argument.
01:54:46.120Their other argument is that the attorney general should be the one who interprets executive intent as part of the executive branch, that their opinion of what President Trump meant is worth more than your opinion.
01:55:00.220Okay, so first of all, statutory construction, basic principles apply to the pardon.
01:55:07.300D.C. Circuit has already come out and said as long as we're applying those statutory principles, the government has flip-flopped so many times on who they're going to support and who they're not going to support that there's opinions out there that say, hey, look, this is getting crazy.
01:55:22.340Like, we can't, if we base it on just what you all feel in a given moment, we're going to be flip-flopping all the time.
01:55:28.760Now, we got to get, this is the language of the pardon.
01:55:31.580There has to be something that every party can go off.
01:55:58.040And so that whole Chevron deference argument, again, you're making an, you know, technically speaking, you have a duty to actually talk about opinions that go against what you're saying.
01:56:08.920So they come in court and argue Chevron deference knowing that the Supreme Court has already done away with it.
01:56:14.040Right. And this term again. I mean, they did it again. You're right.
01:56:17.580Yeah. Back to those tapes. To the people who are looking at those tapes and this figure walking around, he's not identifiable, and we actually can't even tell if it's a he or a she.
01:56:34.700And they're going to do a height analysis where they're going to try to say they, I'm assuming, I don't, this is just my assumption.
01:56:42.300They're going to try to look at the height of Brian Cole Jr.
01:56:44.800They're going to try to look at the bricks on the ground and say it matches and so on and so forth.
01:56:49.980Are you going to be able to dispute that that is Brian Cole Jr. in these videotapes?
01:56:55.360I'm going to tell you the same thing I said before.
01:56:57.760We are looking forward to them going down that road.
01:57:01.580But that's all I'm going to say, because like I said, I do have to take serious that I can't say certain things.
01:57:06.820I love talking to you and I really appreciate that. You've been great.
01:57:10.100Yeah. But I can't say certain things because it just will undermine our case and it'll give them a tip off to something.
01:57:16.200But what I can say is we're looking forward to them going down that road and we're actually in the discovery process.
01:57:22.920And one reason why my colleague, who I absolutely 100 percent stand behind, who filed those subpoenas and stuff.
01:57:30.280Now, they argue that there was some procedural vagaries in there and stuff like that.
01:57:34.540But like I said, you are the one leaking all the stuff that you say is confidential.
01:57:39.040You're on TV saying this stuff and making these allegations against Junior on stuff that I'm looking at confidential attorney's eyes only, but somehow is making it to the press a contextually.
01:57:48.680So, you know, let me ask it this way. In federal court in D.C., if you are going to argue he has an alibi, do you have an obligation to admit that in advance of trial and give the government notice of it?
01:58:02.220There's an argument to be said for that.
01:58:04.860I mean, well, that would just be a rule of civil procedure or criminal procedure that aren't you required to tell them in advance if you're going to argue alibi?
01:58:11.480You know, we live in a country with 50 states and about a million cases, but I can say that generally speaking, you would have to do that.
01:58:20.400But, you know, there's arguments saying that the timing of that and when you do it, basically the timing is another issue.
01:58:31.440I mean, you know, I know you read off those those criteria and that's no problem.
01:58:38.740But I do say like I stick by the fact that those criteria etched out in law to mean something a little bit different with the bond.
01:58:45.040But the issue with with the parents, of course, they're going to be feel bad because, number one, he's accused of this.
01:58:51.740And then he's stuck in jail when we, as a team, firmly believe that he met the conditions of release and that we could have crafted some conditions of release along with meeting those other factors that could have allowed him to be on home arrest.
01:59:07.820So the idea that he's still in jail and they just feel bad, but they do talk to him almost every day, you know.
01:59:16.220And I go back with the father, so I know he's a great guy.
01:59:20.100And Brian Cole Jr. never had any trouble as a youth? No, no juvie record?
01:59:26.400That's what I'm trying to tell you. So that's what that's my point. So it's one thing as an adult not to have a criminal history. I'm going, you know, our job, you know, this, you do these mitigating factor analysis to try to humanize the person and all that.
01:59:39.880So I go back and say, okay, well, let me look at all the way back to elementary, junior high, high school.
01:59:47.080There's just no history of being a problem child.
02:00:07.760And so I'm like, OK, so when we go into the bond hearing, I start challenging the government like you can't prove anything from his past because trust and believe if he had a juvie record, if he had animal, you would have known by it by now.
02:00:21.020So you can't do that. So show me the I'm real big on show me these political affiliations.
02:00:29.260Show me the text messages and things like with these other people that say, hey, get right with God is ready.0.99
02:00:35.280time to die. Like, or when he got radicalized, you're saying. Yeah, exactly. But there is
02:00:39.760nothing. There's nothing. So, you know, I mean, for me... Can you speak at all to cell phone
02:00:45.760evidence? I mean, that's what everybody wants to know. Because the cell phones tell everybody
02:00:48.760everything about us, where we were and when. Okay. So the government says that they're going
02:00:53.580to match up these pings and that he swiped. We already talked about the swipe and they're
02:00:59.500talking about years difference in the event. As far as the pings, all I can say is
02:02:01.400you see when you when you don't check now it'd be different if they said we have now discovered
02:02:08.180new factual evidence to demonstrate that this man should be charged with weapons of master
02:02:12.980nothing they just straight up tried to bully him and they did as far as putting the charge on to
02:02:19.920say hey you keep pushing this pardon thing we're gonna push life in prison so you can go down as
02:02:26.300the only person who the government has said his conduct relates to J6, but you're going to go down
02:02:32.120as the only person that spends life in prison. And see, that's what I'm talking about. I know
02:02:37.540you call kind of, oh, well, I don't know about race and all that, but people start thinking about
02:02:43.040race. I mean, they may. They think about it. You need evidence. Yeah. You start thinking about race
02:02:48.080when you say, hey, look, Brian Cole Jr., they want to go down as the only J6. Seriously, though,1.00
02:02:53.320seriously you think that they wouldn't be doing that if he were white just to bully him into0.97
02:02:58.600giving them their oh the wmd charge yes but but not giving the pardon they like they like this
02:03:05.740is our case we're going forward with our cases mean a lot circumstances mean a lot i'm not going
02:03:11.120to get into a situation of accusing anybody of racism but i am explaining why some people start
02:03:17.820thinking about race whether you say you have to have more facts than that that's your personal
02:03:22.000opinion but i can tell you coming out of the black community especially they start thinking
02:03:26.580about race when things don't add up those arguments that are made by the government
02:03:31.500he wasn't there on j6 oh even though it says pending indictments and charges and all this
02:03:36.740kind of stuff uh we're gonna say that it doesn't apply because he wasn't indicted and didn't have
02:03:42.280a pending charge at the time the part even though it doesn't say that when you start talking i get
02:03:46.400i get the pardon uh say hey what's going on but i like my question initially was more about do you
02:03:51.820think they charged him is has he been charged because of the fact that he's a black man did
02:03:57.420that play into this at all oh no i'm not going to go and say that he the actual allegations against
02:04:04.040him yeah man we got much more discovery to go through that i'm not going to say he was charged
02:04:10.620just because he's black no i'd be crazy to say that like i'm talking about when things are start
02:04:16.920don't add up this pardon motion you don't understand why he's not getting the pardon
02:04:20.860Exactly. There's no way in the world that this man does not qualify to have a dismissal motion granted, in my opinion, based on the plain language of the pardon. It just doesn't make sense to me.
02:04:32.160I will say this. If you get this case dismissed based on that pardon argument, it will be the greatest legal victory that we have seen in the past 10 years.
02:04:42.200We already know we're in a battle because, and you know this, from civil litigation especially, you know, I sue the government all the time.
02:04:49.560I was an elected official myself out in a small town, Clarkson, Georgia.
02:04:53.020I did opponent research, getting dirt on people, making media commercials, all kind of stuff, helping media commercials be made.
02:04:59.760And so I've been around politics a lot.
02:05:02.400So, you know, for me, when I go into a case, I just think even if we were to win, even if the district court were to say, I think he's entitled to the pardon, we're going up to the appeals court.
02:05:13.620And then if we were to win there, we're going to the Supreme Court and vice versa.
02:05:20.420You know, we're in it thinking, hey, win or lose, we're going to be litigating this probably for the next three to five years on this issue alone.
02:05:28.660The issue is, will the trial courts stay the trial?
02:05:34.100So that's why it's so important to kind of, as soon as we get it, we have to move quickly to try to get it up and see what the other courts are saying.
02:05:41.440And they have to do the same if they lose.
02:05:43.820So, you know, it just doesn't make sense to me.
02:05:47.480I'm just going to always say that the pardon issue makes no sense to me because I'm looking at that language and I'm saying, how is he not entitled to this?
02:05:55.640how is he how could he be facing life in prison as the only person the government alleges
02:06:02.500conduct related to day six but he could be facing life in prison that doesn't make sense to me i got
02:06:08.760it so interesting mario thank you thank you thanks for coming in here i appreciate it tell
02:06:13.480us the story and i and i appreciate how upfront you were about everything there's i know there's
02:06:17.880certain things these guys would kill me you got a man's life in your hands they didn't want me to
02:06:21.520come on here. They'd be like, hey, man, this lady's going to destroy1.00