The Megyn Kelly Show - Walz's Debate Brain Freeze, New Emhoff Allegations, and Trump Spurns 60 Minutes, with The Fifth Column hosts

00:00:00.640 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:12.140 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. We meet again.

00:00:16.060 It feels like it's just been a couple minutes since we last chatted, but a lot's gone down.

00:00:20.140 It's the morning after now, the big VP debate last night.

00:00:23.120 And honestly, like the more I've thought about it over the past,

00:00:26.080 well, it was 12 hours when we signed off ago. The angrier I've gotten over the amount of bias

00:00:35.220 and push there was by those moderators in favor of the Democrats. It's just so out of control.

00:00:44.820 The media bias is out of control. I don't think these Republicans should be agreeing to do any

00:00:51.240 more of these debates at any point on any of these networks. And the only way they should

00:00:55.920 is if there is an equal number in a form of their choice. You know, they can say to the Democrats,

00:01:02.740 you can, you choose ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, even MSNBC. You choose. You choose two, two of those.

00:01:13.380 And we'll choose two. We'll do one with the Megyn Kelly Show and we'll do one with Fox News,

00:01:18.500 whatever. That what other way is there? Otherwise you are voluntarily going into

00:01:26.980 a lion's den in which you're the bait. The lion will try to eat you and they treat the other

00:01:36.780 candidate as the little baby lion cub. They will try to protect that person and run cover for that

00:01:42.920 person. And if you wind up posing any sort of a threat to that person, everyone in the arena is

00:01:49.460 against you. They will try to cut your head off. I mean, that's what we saw. Or in last night's

00:01:52.920 situation, cut your mic off. We're going to get into it in some more detail with our wonderful

00:01:59.560 guest today, guys, who I love and I know you do too. But before we get to them, there's a stunning

00:02:04.160 new story out today involving Vice President Kamala Harris's husband, Doug Emhoff. Now,

00:02:10.260 do you remember this Jen Psaki clip that we showed you just a couple of days ago and we mocked her

00:02:15.780 for her ridiculous lapdog boot licking performance when she had this guy knowing he had cheated on his

00:02:23.300 first wife before Kamala Harris with his child's nanny. Look, people have marital problems and they make

00:02:32.540 bad decisions when they're married to people that they don't love. All right. However, banging your

00:02:38.260 child's nanny and impregnating her is in a special league of its own. Whatever. He got through the

00:02:48.180 marriage. He managed to somehow remain friends with that first wife and he married Kamala. I think most

00:02:54.520 of us would have left it alone if he hadn't then paraded himself out there and let the media parade

00:02:59.820 himself out there like he was the ideal husband on steroids, like he is the new version of what it

00:03:08.640 means to be a real man and eschews toxic masculinity and should really be the role model for my boys and

00:03:16.740 yours. F that. I want my boys to be like my husband who did not bang the nanny nor impregnate another

00:03:25.640 woman while married to me or ever. It's just it's insane that they tried to sell us this lie. That was the

00:03:33.120 context in which we raised before I get to today's news, the following Jen Psaki clip where she interviewed

00:03:39.280 the current second second gentleman, the man who could be our first gentleman in a few months on I think it was

00:03:47.040 Sunday. Watch.

00:03:48.040 An interesting part of how people have talked about your role here is how your role has reshaped the

00:03:54.640 perception of masculinity and I'm not sure you planned on that but you are a incredibly supportive

00:04:00.080 spouse. Has that been an evolution for you and do you think that's part of the role you might play

00:04:05.520 as first gentleman? It's funny I've started to think a lot about this. I've always been like this. My dad

00:04:12.080 was like this and to me it's the right thing to do you know support women. When we lift up women we

00:04:20.140 support women whether it's pay equity, child care, family leave and all these issues that and you

00:04:26.080 know this post Dobbs hellscape women should not be less than. There's a pop culture phrase wife guy

00:04:33.140 which you've kind of been known as. Are you familiar with this? I've heard about it. It's called a wife

00:04:37.640 guy a proud wife guy. How do you feel about that? Well if I do something annoying to Kamala and she

00:04:43.080 gets upset I'll just show her that article. Oh it's an interesting gesture there at the end with

00:04:48.400 the hand in your face because that's the news today that this so-called always supporter of women

00:04:53.680 actually smacked an ex-girlfriend in the face. Either a smack or a punch. It was unclear according

00:04:58.980 to the Daily Mail's exclusive reporting that this super guy who's redefined toxic masculinity

00:05:04.580 actually beat a woman that he was dating prior to Kamala. The Daily Mail reports that he did not

00:05:10.940 respond to requests for comment on the article. What does that mean? There's not even going to be

00:05:15.240 a denial. I guess they'll get around to it. Just an allegation right now but let me tell you take

00:05:19.980 some time today to read that Daily Mail report because it's incredibly detailed. Incredibly.

00:05:27.980 With several friends of the very successful attorney that he was dating his alleged victim

00:05:34.400 going to the Daily Mail providing records to the Daily Mail speaking in great detail about the call

00:05:42.140 that the abuse victim alleged made to them after he smacked her in front of other people in front of

00:05:48.740 French valets over there in Cannes, France. And no one's looked into this I guess other than the Daily

00:05:57.920 Daily Mail. Certainly Jen Psaki, I hope, wasn't aware of it when she let him get away with, I've always been

00:06:04.260 like this, a supporter of women. Except when I'm slapping them in the face or banging the nanny on the ones I'm

00:06:11.160 married to behind the back of. I'm sorry, this is just, if this were a Republican, it would be leading every

00:06:18.180 news channel. Every news channel. One of our guests on this show last night, Mark Halperin,

00:06:25.480 reported on our show last month that there was still more oppo research to drop about Vice President

00:06:34.600 Harris and her husband. How she, and by extension he, had never really been formally vetted. Look how

00:06:42.160 she got elevated so quickly to the VP spot under Biden. He was losing. He needed to win South Carolina

00:06:47.900 to secure the nomination. He made a deal with James Clyburn. He would select a black woman as

00:06:52.460 his running mate. Bob's your uncle. She was in. It's just unbelievable. Now the vetting begins by

00:06:59.400 the Daily Mail. God bless them because they actually do look into these stories. Other people think are

00:07:03.320 too beneath them to check, although they'd be, they'd love to report these other respectable news outlets

00:07:08.940 on Stormy Daniels and whether she said Trump wore a condom. That's not beneath them, but this is a CD.

00:07:16.480 All of this is unbelievable. Also this today, the New York times, they've got a daily podcast. It's

00:07:21.940 very popular. The lefties love it. It's called the daily. Sometimes I listen to it because I like to keep

00:07:26.640 my finger on the pulse of what the left is doing. And today was interesting because they were doing a

00:07:31.000 debate rundown. How did it go? Could not believe my ears. They believe the only moment Americans will

00:07:41.300 remember about the vice presidential debate last night in which J.D. Vance wiped the floor with Tim

00:07:48.500 Walls is an exchange between the two candidates near the end about democracy, specifically the 2020

00:07:56.680 election. And guess what else? They did not even run. The soundbite where Tim Walls calls himself

00:08:07.060 a knucklehead after he clearly gets caught in and confronted with a lie he told about being in China

00:08:15.000 for the Tiananmen Square massacre. Joining me now to discuss these and many other stories, Camille Foster,

00:08:22.460 partner at Freethink, Michael Moynihan, contributor to the Free Press, and Matt Welsh, editor at large

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00:09:40.080 Can you believe what I just went over in my intro? I'm really, at base, all those stories

00:09:50.400 are about media bias. Even the Daily Mail breaking this reporting. I think a second gentleman

00:09:58.000 punching a woman in the face would be news irrespective of a... I mean, I just think in

00:10:04.580 any normal news cycle, the mainstream press would report on that if they had it. But in this news

00:10:10.020 cycle, no one was interested. No one cared to run down, oh, if he banged the nanny on it behind

00:10:14.020 his first wife's back and impregnated her, maybe he's not a good guy. Perhaps that weren't some phone

00:10:18.940 calls. Again, I want to say in Doug's defense, Doug Emhoff's, not to be confused with the actual

00:10:24.260 great women-loving man, Doug Brunt, we don't know whether it's true. All I can tell you is that

00:10:31.900 the Daily Mail report is extremely detailed, with multiple witnesses coming forward now.

00:10:36.960 And their first exclusive reporting was about him with the nanny, which he admitted. So they've got

00:10:42.080 a good track record when it comes to him. So all three stories at their base, Matt Welsh, are about

00:10:47.000 media bias. And in the wake of those, last night's debate, what I told you about the Daily today,

00:10:52.760 this being broken October 2nd by the Daily Mail, where's your head this morning?

00:10:57.640 I would imagine that we will see some follow-up reporting, I think, more on the Daily Mail,

00:11:04.160 right? But first, it's not Bo Drop. It's the Daily Mail, which is a fantastic newspaper,

00:11:10.340 but it sometimes shades a little bit outside the lines. The New York Post brought it up,

00:11:14.220 and it's three unnamed sources, and it's a month before the election. So that's all a lot of buyer

00:11:20.120 beware. But also, as you rightly point out, there's some detail in here. And the two that caught my eye

00:11:25.340 were that one of the phone calls that the woman made, allegedly made right after this thing

00:11:32.060 happened, was in the car with Doug Imhoff to a friend, according to one of those friends,

00:11:39.040 unnamed so far. That is a level of granular, maybe that even kind of exists somewhere detail,

00:11:46.020 which is very interesting. And the other bit, and you have to go down in the New York Post story,

00:11:50.080 so Moynihan didn't get there because of the attention span issues, is that this allegedly came

00:11:56.320 up in previous vetting, or like the Biden administration was made aware of this at some

00:12:04.200 point previously. So if that is true, then I think that it's going to absolutely warrant some follow-up,

00:12:12.980 and we'll see what that follow-up is. I can't believe, really, honestly, that many people with

00:12:17.220 the straight face are saying that Tim Walls won that debate. I do get the point that the weakest

00:12:24.200 part of J.D. Vance's otherwise very, very strong night last night was him trying to answer about

00:12:30.900 January 6th, because January 6th is unanswerable, as far as I'm concerned, the way that Donald Trump

00:12:37.000 behaved. And the price of doing business to be Trump's running mate, or just to be someone in

00:12:41.960 good graces with Trump world, for the most part, is to either minimize what he did or apologize for

00:12:48.480 it. And I think kind of- But just to jump in there, Matt, just to jump in, he wasn't actually

00:12:52.180 really even asked to defend Trump on J6. It was who won the last election, which is the, that's the

00:13:00.380 real trigger point for Trump. Keep going. Yeah. I mean, and either way, his answer was not very good,

00:13:05.380 although there's an element of his answer that was really interesting. I mean, he changed the subject,

00:13:10.160 but he changed the subject to something that is true and an advantage of Vance, certainly maybe

00:13:16.160 even Trump and Vance over the Democratic ticket, which is about their pro-censorship views. And

00:13:24.340 that's when Tim Walls uncorked the unbelievable shouting fire in a crowded theater crap that we

00:13:32.360 have been talking about since it first happened 100 years ago of what just garbage that is. And it was

00:13:40.020 not true. You can yell the fire in a crowded theater. You can. Absolutely can. And so that's

00:13:46.320 a, that was a very interesting thing. Yes, but that was Vance's low point at minute 90. But my God,

00:13:53.120 in a debate where Walls looks in the camera, Bridget Phetasy had the greatest line about it last night,

00:13:59.060 by the way. She said that the whole vibe of this election, and certainly the split screen of it,

00:14:03.380 or this debate is of an adult confronting his coach who molested him. Look, the look, the sour,

00:14:12.760 unhappy look on Tim Walls's face as he's like, you know, I'm a small town. And you're like, dude,

00:14:19.160 you lied. You lied about what are you doing? And it's like, oh, you know, John Cougar is great.

00:14:24.220 Like what? Like he's I'm a knucklehead. It was terrible, terrible, terrible. And anyone who watched

00:14:29.980 that debate and saw that moment, there's no way that you can come out, even if it was trivial,

00:14:34.980 like the actual underlying thing about it, it's trivial, but it's not trivial when someone has a

00:14:41.140 pattern of being dishonest and gilding their own lily as Tim Walls definitely does.

00:14:45.760 Just like Joe Biden. He's a lily gilder. Well said. Yes. If I were team Trump, I'd immediately have

00:14:51.000 an ad that shows like above him, tampon Tim and underneath him knucklehead. That's what I do. I'd

00:14:57.420 have that everywhere today. Tampon Tim knucklehead. That's what he is. Um, there were so many lies

00:15:02.260 on Tim Walls's part, none of which the mainstream media will call him out on. Um, but let's just

00:15:08.100 stick with overall impressions before we get into the specifics. Cause I haven't talked to you guys,

00:15:11.120 Camille, your thoughts. Yeah. I mean, I thought overall, well, first just to start with Emhoff.

00:15:15.980 Um, I was pretty shocked to see the story. Um, certainly expect we'll see additional reporting

00:15:21.320 about it. Um, this is the kind of thing that, I mean, it is October. We're supposed to get

00:15:25.560 surprises like this. Uh, I will not make any sort of snide slap in the face joke, but I am tempted

00:15:32.020 to. Um, one wonders why you, if you have this opposition research and you know that this is

00:15:37.580 going to come out about the husband of the, of the person at the top of the ticket, why you don't

00:15:42.580 make certain it gets out there a little earlier at a time when maybe it won't be so harmful to you,

00:15:46.940 but whatever, at any rate, uh, maybe that's not great strategy. And that's the reason I'm not

00:15:51.040 hired to run campaigns. But overall last night, I definitely thought, um, JD, uh, did a much better

00:15:57.080 job than walls throughout. Um, I was certainly also a bit disappointed, however, not surprised,

00:16:02.800 um, by the moderators. I'm sure we'll get into some of the specifics there, uh, with respect to their

00:16:08.120 interesting performance, um, and the way JD responded to it. Um, but the thing that really

00:16:13.580 most surprised me about last night is that JD and his team didn't do a better job of kind of preparing

00:16:20.320 so that they could actually land some real body shots on walls. Um, the, the fact that there

00:16:24.540 wasn't really any substantive conversation about his record with respect to COVID, um, and the way

00:16:29.220 that he handled the, the kind of black lives matter, um, fall out there. Like I would have expected

00:16:34.460 some sharp barbs there given what I know about JD and his previous debate responses. Um, so I think

00:16:41.360 there were probably some missed opportunities there from, from this standpoint. Um, but I mean,

00:16:45.520 if you're someone who likes Trump, you know, like Camille looking back at it, like he did a great job

00:16:49.400 being like, you had three and a half years. Why didn't you do it? Why didn't you do it? But it

00:16:52.680 does not seem that voters, and there's a long report out by cook political report today suggesting

00:16:58.160 the trying to tie her to all of Biden's policies thing is not working. They recognize that the VP

00:17:03.720 is totally feckless in every administration, except for that of George W Bush. And they're not blaming

00:17:09.240 her for Bidenomics and other things. So he did spend a lot of the debate doing that. And there is

00:17:14.220 reason to question whether that was the best strategy as opposed to tying her and Tim walls

00:17:20.840 to the far, far left and continuously bringing up their far, far left policies and behaviors like him

00:17:27.980 giving the rioters a chance to burn things down before he sent in the national guard.

00:17:32.500 So that is a very interesting point. I think he did it because one of his main goals was to be

00:17:40.380 likable, you know, to rehabilitate his image in the minds of those suburban women who the GOP has lost

00:17:47.200 to show them you like me. And the answer to get you to like me is not to beat up on the guy who he

00:17:52.980 may be 60, but let's face it, he looks like he's in his seventies. Who's got this sort of shucksie

00:17:57.140 nature, right? That's just going to make you dislike me more. Keep going.

00:18:01.040 Yeah. Well, I mean, I think it's entirely possible to thread the needle there. Like you can be respectful.

00:18:06.040 You can say, look, I think he's a good man. He's got a family he cares about as they did

00:18:09.900 throughout the night, but we absolutely have to talk about his record. The most important job

00:18:15.100 when you are the executive of a country or a state is to ensure the wellbeing and security of the

00:18:21.060 citizens who voted you into office. And when Tim Walls had his backup against the wall during

00:18:26.020 admittedly, exceptionally difficult times, extraordinary, extraordinarily difficult times

00:18:30.640 in the midst of COVID, he froze. He didn't do what he ought to have done. He took too long to deploy

00:18:37.700 the National Guard. And as a result, not on the first night, on the second night, you've got a

00:18:41.800 police station being burnt down. You've got him continuing even to this day to kind of shuck and

00:18:48.400 jive and suggest that other people are somehow mostly responsible for this. In real time, he got

00:18:54.160 it wrong. And in retrospect, it's clear that he got it wrong. And he needs to answer for that if he

00:18:59.500 wants to ascend to some higher office. I think you can do that while being respectful. And again,

00:19:04.060 I just think it was a real missed opportunity from their standpoint. Look, the VP debate is only going

00:19:08.120 to matter so much, but you've got an opportunity to make the other guy really, really screw things

00:19:13.180 up. Um, and apart from Walls, just kind of putting his own foot in his mouth. Um, I just did not see

00:19:19.480 enough from, uh, from JD last night in that respect. But I did think Moynihan, JD was like a surgeon

00:19:26.400 cutting with precision into the bullshit being offered by Tim Walls. And one of my favorite moments was when

00:19:32.660 he described Tim Walls is law that repealed a law that requires the care of infants born alive after

00:19:42.660 botched abortions. There was a law in the book since 2015 in Minnesota that said, if a baby's born alive

00:19:47.940 after botched abortions, which horrifically happens more than you would think, um, the law said you must

00:19:54.620 provide life-saving care to the baby. And Tim Walls repealed that law and changed it to just comfort

00:20:03.200 care. You, you can, you can let the baby die. You do not need to save that baby's life or do anything,

00:20:09.600 um, to try. And Vance raised it. Walls denied that he had done it. And JD looked at him and said,

00:20:19.660 what that I said is incorrect. We have that moment. You guys, I think we have this. Let's

00:20:26.160 watch it. So five, you're, you're free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me. But as I

00:20:31.400 read the Minnesota law that you signed into, into, into, into law, the statute that you signed into

00:20:36.120 law, it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives, the doctor is under

00:20:42.200 no obligation to provide life-saving care to a baby who survives a botched late-term abortion.

00:20:47.440 That is, I think, whether you're pro-choice or pro-abortion, that is fundamentally barbaric.

00:20:53.720 These are women's decisions to make about their healthcare decisions and the physicians who know

00:20:58.680 best when they need to do this. Trying to distort the way a law is written to try and make a point,

00:21:03.580 that's not it at all. What was I wrong about, Governor? Please tell me, what was I wrong about?

00:21:06.720 That is not the way the law is written. Look, I've given how. I've given this advice on a lot of things,

00:21:11.700 that getting involved, getting, that's been misread and it was fact-checked at the last debate.

00:21:15.220 But the point on this is, is there's a continuation of these guys to try and tell women or to get

00:21:20.500 involved. Okay. So he tried to say, it's not true. I didn't do the thing you're saying. And then when

00:21:30.500 Walls was like, well, what specifically is not true? Walls is a lawyer. Sorry, Vance, Vance,

00:21:36.880 Vance is a lawyer. Walls is not. So Vance is looking at Walls saying, what, what about my assertion

00:21:41.380 is incorrect? And Walls's response was, it was fact-checked at the ABC debate. This is the moment

00:21:48.200 to which he was referring. Watch.

00:21:51.380 Her vice presidential pick says abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine. He also says

00:21:57.980 execution after birth. It's execution, no longer abortion because the baby is born, is okay.

00:22:04.660 There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born.

00:22:08.760 Trying to distort the way a law is written to try and make a point. That's not it at all.

00:22:13.420 What was I wrong about, Governor? Please tell me. What was I wrong about?

00:22:15.820 That is not the way the law is written. Look, I've given this advice on a lot of things that

00:22:20.900 getting involved, getting against, that's been misread. And it was fact-checked at the last debate.

00:22:24.320 Just utterly dishonest because that fact-check completely ignored that it is legal to let

00:22:33.480 an infant die on the table after you attempted to kill it in the womb, but it nonetheless survived.

00:22:40.580 That's thanks to Tim Walls. And by the way, we pulled the stats. From 2015 to 2023, which was the

00:22:50.980 date, Tim Walls repealed the law requiring life-saving care, 24 babies were born alive

00:22:58.880 in Minnesota after an attempted abortion. Think of how horrific that is. This mother goes in,

00:23:05.660 forgive me, I'm trying to do this without passing explicit judgment on abortion, but she goes in to

00:23:10.820 kill her baby. These are late-term pregnancies. The baby nonetheless is birthed and it lived.

00:23:18.320 It survived the attempt to kill it in its mother's womb. And then she attempts to kill it again.

00:23:24.500 She lets it suffer to death. They're on the table. And the doctors don't have to intervene. And so 24

00:23:31.540 were born alive after an attempted abortion between 15 and 23. They were required to try to save the baby

00:23:39.140 during that period. Some most died. And then as of Tim Walls repeal of that law in 23,

00:23:45.920 we don't know how many times this happened because he removed the reporting requirement.

00:23:52.700 He said, you don't have to save their lives and you don't have to tell us when this happens.

00:23:57.200 Those are the facts, Moynihan. That's just an overview on the fact check and an insight into

00:24:01.680 one of the dynamics. He was allowed to get away with this. There was no attempted fact check,

00:24:05.540 of course, by the CBS moderators on that. They only had them in pocket for J.D. Vance.

00:24:11.660 I mean, look, you know, Matt mentioned earlier that the worst moment for Vance was on the 2020

00:24:22.720 election. And that was because Tim Walls turned to him and asked him a question. And this incredibly

00:24:27.780 bad moment for Walls is when J.D. Vance turns to him and asks him a question, which I cannot believe

00:24:33.660 he wasn't prepared for. I mean, that and the Tiananmen thing, which I suspect we'll get to.

00:24:38.200 But that tells you a lot about the moderators, by the way. You have the two kind of most impactful

00:24:43.840 for me moments in that debate is when the two candidates are allowed to interact with one

00:24:49.060 another and ask them pointed questions. I mean, and Camille is right, too, that why, you know,

00:24:56.260 I would love for J.D. Vance. And I think I know why he was doing this. You know, keep in mind that

00:25:01.640 the whole strategy, this completely insane, bizarro, please fire your political consultant strategy

00:25:08.000 was to paint him as a weirdo. Do you remember this? He's a weirdo.

00:25:12.520 Walls is.

00:25:13.400 Yeah.

00:25:13.840 No, wait, we have this. So he did this on Jen Psaki's show before he was selected as her running

00:25:18.800 mate. And this was apparently what dazzled Kamala so much. She chose him. Here it is. And then I'll

00:25:23.340 let you take it.

00:25:24.860 These are these are weird people on the other side. They want to take books away. They want to be in

00:25:29.040 your exam room. That's that's what it comes down to. And don't, you know, get sugarcoating this.

00:25:33.040 These are weird ideas. Listen to them speak. Let's know. They talk about things. Listen to

00:25:37.360 how your previous guests were right. Like you said, they've told them that they shouldn't talk

00:25:41.140 about race. They can't help it. It is built into their DNA because there is no plan.

00:25:46.940 Go ahead.

00:25:48.060 I just want to say that Jen Psaki is a real crackerjack question. She's just really good at it.

00:25:55.140 Weird when you hire Biden's press spokesman. Anyway, I will say this, that that whole weird thing,

00:26:01.560 I mean, obviously Vance's response to that last night was to be incredibly normal and incredibly

00:26:06.880 relatable, which I think is what he is when he's talking about policy. If you throw the guy into a

00:26:13.520 donut shop and do the, you know, political thing where you have to press flesh, maybe he's not great

00:26:19.920 at that. But I honestly. He's the opposite of Trump in that way, Moynihan. He's the opposite of Trump in

00:26:24.840 that way in almost every way. Trump's not as great at the policy or the debates, but he's amazing in the

00:26:30.320 one-on-one and real people settings.

00:26:32.680 Yes. He's absolutely fantastic. And this is the yin and the yang thing here. They balance each other

00:26:36.600 out wonderfully in that sense that he decided to play it nice. I saw a lot of people and people

00:26:42.000 that I know saying, you know, really should have pushed him on a lot of this stuff. And he was being

00:26:45.740 too nice and saying, you know, we agree on this. We good. But it was actually a nice breath of fresh

00:26:50.760 air in some ways. But I will say, I want to go back quickly to the Doug Emhoff thing,

00:26:56.380 because I read that this morning when I was on my way into the city. And, you know, the same caveats,

00:27:03.140 three people unnamed, it just dropped. I have no idea if this is true, but that's not what I'm

00:27:09.840 interested in. What I'm interested in is the exact same thing that happened with Hunter Biden. People

00:27:15.280 say that Hunter Biden's not running for president. You know, in a way, I'm not interested in that

00:27:19.020 either. What I'm interested in is the fact that the president's son and, you know, the vice

00:27:24.540 president's son and the vice president had Ukraine in his portfolio, all of a sudden gets a job for

00:27:30.620 an extraordinary amount of money that he's not qualified for. Doesn't pick your interests at

00:27:35.000 all? Literally not at all. That's incredible to me. This is the same thing that I'm not going to

00:27:40.980 predict the future. I have no idea if people will come back on this. But it strikes me it's the same

00:27:46.320 thing that so many feminists did with Bill Clinton, who apologized for it afterwards and defended at the

00:27:51.820 time, said, well, you know, he's our guy. We don't really care what he does as long as he protects,

00:27:57.100 you know, Roe v. Wade, et cetera. This Amhoff thing is, for me, a media test. And it is a relevant

00:28:03.940 issue. I mean, particularly when you have this Jonathan Capehart and these people at the Washington

00:28:09.540 Post saying this is the form of masculinity that we should all aspire to. Well, if it's true that

00:28:17.060 he's beating up women, I would suggest that it's not at all. Right. And this is the whole thing

00:28:22.800 drives me crazy from the media perspective. And again, I don't know if it's true. And I'm giving

00:28:27.940 him, you know, the benefit of the doubt on this, but that should be investigated for people. And it's

00:28:32.900 incredible that it hasn't been. I'm offering the appropriate caveats for this point in the story,

00:28:38.180 but I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt. I'm not. He doesn't deserve it. He banged the

00:28:41.940 nanny while he was married and then either aborted the child or now this report by the Daily Mail

00:28:47.340 suggests maybe there was a miscarriage of the child and they tracked down the original affair

00:28:51.620 partner, the nanny, and got her on camera. And she is reportedly saying that he paid her 80 grand

00:29:00.300 to go away and keep her mouth shut. But that, according to friends, she had a miscarriage and she blamed

00:29:07.080 him. And we don't know why she blamed him for the miscarriage, but they're also reporting in the

00:29:11.740 Daily Mail that she called emergency services to her house, possibly including cops at one point

00:29:20.040 during the pregnancy. And what was there? I mean, an enterprise and enterprising media would want to

00:29:26.440 know if this were somebody with the last name Trump or Vance, they would go figure out immediately

00:29:31.600 what they had on their hands. And a Democrat party that hadn't committed a coup and just decided at

00:29:37.640 the top levels who was going to be the new candidate might have done oppo research on those they were

00:29:43.680 considering to make sure there weren't these kinds of skeletons in the closet of the person who would be

00:29:50.600 the very first first gentleman in the White House in U.S. history. Because, you know, they're always

00:29:57.440 talking about how Trump's a bad role model. And, you know, this isn't somebody who our kids can look

00:30:01.740 up to. How about this? Do they care that we're about to elevate as the first gentleman, somebody

00:30:07.720 who cheats on his wife, impregnates the nanny, abandons his responsibility toward her, according to

00:30:14.520 these reports, and actually might be a woman beater? Do they do they care? Because I care a little. I

00:30:21.240 I actually do. I think, call me crazy, it's even more controversial than Donald Trump sounding like

00:30:28.080 a complete asshole on that Access Hollywood bus. Am I wrong? I don't know. Donald Trump's running for

00:30:34.500 president and was the president. So I'm going to elevate what happens to the actual candidates over

00:30:40.020 what the candidate spouses have done in the past or what the contents of their bad, bad personal lives

00:30:47.100 are. You know, I I I think that Donald Trump's life has been vetted a lot. And I think people have

00:30:55.520 made the rational or whatever they've rationalized to themselves how much they care about it and how

00:31:00.980 much they don't. And it tends to match up. I get political. But if he's a woman beater, it's a huge deal.

00:31:10.140 It is that's a big if and yes, saying I like to grab women. Again, I mean, beating a woman is is

00:31:20.920 worse than like two guys in a room. One of them smacked someone's around so hard that their head

00:31:27.380 turned. All right. According to the people and the other one made a braggadocious claim while in having

00:31:36.100 an interview or even off an interview or whatever of those two actions, without a question, smack

00:31:41.620 in someone in the face is the worst thing. He's also not running for president. Trump is. So that's

00:31:45.960 that's where my mind like like I get it. I get it. He's not on the ticket. Those things. I do want to

00:31:52.600 pick up on on the thing you just said, though, which is you mentioned this sort of Democratic coup to

00:31:57.600 elevate Kamala Harris, because I think that speaks to a media bias element that was perpetuated again,

00:32:04.960 that's been ongoing for two months now, plus with Kamala Harris, which is that we still have not

00:32:11.340 heard anything about her performance as vice president when the president was shown to be too

00:32:17.980 old and too cognitively impaired to do his job. And here's the way that you do that. OK, so it's

00:32:26.420 perfectly rational and correct to ask J.D. Vance. I saw some conservatives try to say to us, oh, we're

00:32:31.480 tired of hearing about January 6th. No, dude, you've got to ask that question because it's the

00:32:35.800 Mike Pence question. What would you do if you're Mike Pence and how might that play out in the

00:32:39.900 future? That's totally and that you that's ask both candidates that. But you can also ask both

00:32:44.860 candidates because it might come up. What would you do if your president's guy at the top of the

00:32:52.620 ticket or woman at the top of the ticket is shown to be impaired in a way that has happened a couple of

00:32:58.320 times in American history, including right now, including with the person who's running for

00:33:02.800 president was being vice president and throwing Robert Herr under the bus, saying that what he did

00:33:09.140 was obviously politically. And right. I mean, what would you do and how would you if they asked it

00:33:14.500 of J.D. because he's got a nearly 80 year old boss and then they turn to Tim Walsh and say, what's the

00:33:19.960 obligation of a vice president when the person above them has become mentally infirmed? Because it's

00:33:25.600 a total obvious, you know, equal question, but implies her implicate. And also just how would

00:33:31.820 you evaluate what she did in that moment? She hasn't been asked that question. It's been two

00:33:37.700 plus months that she's been the candidate. Somehow she has not been asked that question. The somehow

00:33:43.280 is that she's only done one one on one interview with Stephanie Rule. And I think the last question

00:33:49.780 with that was, can we trust you? And the first, you don't count, you don't count Oprah. Are you

00:33:55.100 amazing? With the journalist, even more than I think. Yes. I mean, she hasn't been asked that

00:34:01.620 question, which is amazing. And that leads to another quick thing, which is that you saw last

00:34:05.980 night the difference between someone who's been answering questions and someone who is not. Yeah.

00:34:11.480 J.D. Vance got his reps in. Walls did not. Walls was scared. He was sped up. He seemed almost

00:34:17.320 coked up, super like nervous. And he seemed, seemed. Matt Welch says he acted as if he was,

00:34:24.100 he's not doing coke. He was on Ivo game. We know this. But like, yeah, you see the difference of

00:34:30.040 it. And this is and this is a point, again, the Vance sort of ain't at the end, like, oh,

00:34:34.060 how can they talk about democracy? This is this deflection about January 6th when they are really

00:34:39.220 bad on censorship, which they are. And part of the not only just being bad on censorship, but if you

00:34:44.160 really care about democracy, you subject yourself to scrutiny. They have not. And like the little

00:34:50.120 bit of scrutiny that the moderators added last night, which I appreciated, actually, when they

00:34:54.600 went straight in for the Tiananmen Square question and didn't give him the off ramp on it, just like,

00:34:59.980 what were you doing, dude? And did, you know, something similar to Vance about the Trump-Hitler

00:35:04.080 quote, too. That was fine. He was absolutely trapped. He was a deer in the headlights.

00:35:10.340 You've got to subject yourself to scrutiny. They haven't. They think that they can waltz into the

00:35:14.440 White House without taking questions. And that's just in the front. Yeah. Let me just show let me

00:35:19.800 just show because you're exactly right in the dynamic. And you could tell Walls was unsteady on

00:35:23.420 his feet. Here is part of his very first answer. They kicked off the debate by going to him.

00:35:31.280 And the question was basically as follows. Iran launched its largest attack yet on Israel,

00:35:37.340 blah, blah, blah. Would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran? And here's

00:35:43.940 Tim Walls. Governor Walls, if you were the final voice in the situation room, would you support or

00:35:51.620 oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran? You have two minutes. Well, thank you. And thank you for

00:35:57.940 those joining home tonight. Let's keep in mind where this started. October 7th, Hamas terrorists

00:36:03.740 massacred over 1,400 Israelis and took prisoners. Israel's ability to be able to defend itself is

00:36:13.600 absolutely fundamental. Getting its hostages back, fundamental. And ending the humanitarian crisis

00:36:20.300 in Gaza. But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental necessity for

00:36:28.540 the United States to have to steady leadership there. You saw it experienced today where along

00:36:32.980 with our Israeli partners and our coalition able to stop the incoming attack. But what's fundamental

00:36:39.440 here is that steady leadership is going to matter. Four fundamentals and two confusing saying Israel

00:36:47.660 when you meant Iran. Not not ideal. May I remind you of Donald Trump's first tweet when she chose him?

00:36:55.240 Thank you. That was. I mean, he did seem unsteady. And that's the thing, because one of the goals when you

00:37:03.380 get out there, Camille, is to try to project, don't worry if anything happens at the top, I can do this

00:37:08.880 job. And at no point last night did Tim Walls convey that. Yeah, for a moment there, I almost thought,

00:37:15.440 you know, he's going to get into the thing, like pull out the little board and start drawing up a

00:37:18.740 play like this is what you do. This is how you do it. Coach Walls, ready to go. It's just he was not

00:37:23.780 prepared for this moment on so many different levels. But I do think like he was just off to a shaky

00:37:29.620 start there. And I was hoping that he meant Iran and its proxies as opposed to Israel and its

00:37:34.760 proxies. He just clearly, clearly, clearly out of his depth last night. I mean, and look, he's had

00:37:39.840 better moments. Some of his speeches have been great. Some of his some of the various campaign

00:37:45.040 events. He's had these just really energetic performances. I gave him compliments for his

00:37:50.300 DNC performance. But those are not hostile interrogations. And to the extent debates matter

00:37:55.600 at all, it is that they give you a sense of what these people might be like under pressure. And I

00:38:01.000 think Kamala Harris comported herself much better than her counterpart had did last night. But

00:38:06.220 certainly when she's been in these interview contexts, even when they're not particularly

00:38:09.500 hostile interviews, she has not been great. And Walls last night was not great. So I think in both

00:38:15.220 instances, they've kind of taken a bit of an L there. And how much will this matter to the American

00:38:19.780 people? Eventually, how much does this factor into the actual election? I don't know.

00:38:24.240 That Cook political report out today says nothing's mattered. Nothing's changed the numbers. That

00:38:28.980 debate between Trump and Harris did not change the numbers. The endorsements by Taylor Swift,

00:38:33.680 whatever, Elon Musk, did not change the numbers. Nothing's changing the numbers. They're as tight

00:38:38.660 as tight could be. I do want to spend a little minute, a minute or two, Moynihan, on that the moment

00:38:44.180 where he got confronted about his lie about being in China when Tiananmen Square happened.

00:38:51.120 I think he was in a tank. He was standing in front of the tank. He was the man with the tank.

00:39:00.620 He was the man with the bags. I mean, you have to ask with Walls, which side was he on? Was he with

00:39:05.800 the Chinese? He loves the Chinese so very much. So he said he was over there. It happened in the spring

00:39:12.920 of 89. And it was in the spring. And he did not go over there until August, which, as the audience

00:39:20.820 may know, is not spring by anyone's estimation. And it was part of the pattern of dishonesty by this

00:39:27.160 guy. So to their credit, they raised it yesterday. I would have styled it even tougher, to be honest

00:39:32.460 with you. I would have raised the series of lies he's told. But OK, fine, I'll take what I can get.

00:39:35.920 And it was a meltdown. I mean, it was like a malfunction. That's what I thought I was

00:39:43.000 witnessing. Let's play the soundbite. And to the folks out there who didn't get at the top of this,

00:39:48.340 look, I grew up in small, rural Nebraska, a town of 400, a town that you rode your bike with your

00:39:54.940 buddies till the streetlights come on. And I'm proud of that service. I joined the National Guard at 17,

00:39:59.420 worked on family farms. And then I used the GI Bill to become a teacher. What does this have to

00:40:05.160 do? A young teacher. My first year out, I got the opportunity in the summer of 89 to travel to China

00:40:10.980 35 years ago, be able to do that. I came back home and then started a program to take young people

00:40:17.940 there. We would take basketball teams. We would take baseball teams. We would take dancers. And we

00:40:22.640 would go back and forth to China. The issue for that was to try and learn. Now, look, my community knows

00:40:28.160 who I am. They saw where I was at. They look, I will be the first to tell you, I have poured my

00:40:33.820 heart into my community. I've tried to do the best I can, but I've not been perfect. And I'm a

00:40:38.560 knucklehead at times, but it's always been about that. Governor, just to follow up on that. The

00:40:46.880 question was, can you explain the discrepancy? All I said on this was, is I got there that summer

00:40:52.420 and misspoke on this. So I will just, that's what I've said. So I was in Hong Kong and China

00:41:01.360 during the democracy protests went in. And from that, I learned a lot of what needed to be in

00:41:07.440 governance. Thank you, Governor.

00:41:12.240 Jeez. Okay. What he said earlier, it was a disaster. But just so you know, according to the

00:41:18.700 reporting, Walls described being in Hong Kong in May 1989, didn't go till August, during the student

00:41:28.540 uprising that culminated in the Tiananmen Square massacre, an assertion that is belied by newspaper

00:41:34.300 accounts at the time. Quote, as the events were unfolding, several of us went in, Walls said,

00:41:40.680 at a 2014 hearing commemorating the massacre's 25th anniversary. I still remember the train station

00:41:47.860 in Hong Kong. Several of us went in as the events were unfolding. What? Again, it's, it's like the

00:41:58.160 Hillary Clinton Bosnia moment that as she could feel the bullets licking her hair as they shot past

00:42:06.060 Moynihan. It's like, these are lies that he did not go in anywhere. He was sitting his ass in the

00:42:13.780 Midwest. He did not go for months after the massacre.

00:42:18.780 Yes. I mean, weirdly, habitual liars become politicians. Shocking.

00:42:24.580 I have to say, not prepared for that answer. I wasn't, as a listener, prepared for his answer.

00:42:31.480 I was driving last night, and I almost had to pull over. Because, you know, I know this is coming.

00:42:38.180 And by the way, to point out, he has said this multiple times, multiple times, that he was in

00:42:43.240 China, he was in Hong Kong. Hong Kong, by the way, Matt Tiananmen in 89 was not a part of China. It was

00:42:50.260 in 96, it went back to China. But his response, which is like, I mean, who in America, because his

00:42:58.640 response is like, you know, I was at Lake Minnetonka playing hockey one time. And it's like, dude,

00:43:04.380 no, seriously, you're gonna be the vice president. He grew up in a neighborhood where they rode their

00:43:10.520 bikes until the streetlights went on. Who gives a shit? So did I. That doesn't make me qualified to

00:43:14.440 be vice president. No one cares. The Chinese didn't have the streetlights or something. I don't know.

00:43:20.180 But I love the best bit was I kept on waiting for him to get to the, you know, studied denial that

00:43:27.900 they'd presumably gone over a million times. And he then says, we brought dancers.

00:43:34.380 And I was like, what are you talking about? It was unbelievable. That's one thing that I knew

00:43:43.940 that he should expect. I mean, Doug Emhoff is like, the least of I mean, Matt, by the way,

00:43:51.020 I just want to point out, I do a podcast with Matt Welch. And I do want to distance myself from

00:43:58.540 a Doug Emhoff apologist like Matt. And I know that he has been having a relationship with his

00:44:04.400 own nanny. But let's not. I don't want to.

00:44:08.600 Oh, Paris difference. We've gone over this.

00:44:11.280 Open hand slaps only. Open hand slaps only.

00:44:14.620 And that was Camille.

00:44:16.340 I think we need to replay. You guys replay that second part of the Tim Wall's answer on the

00:44:22.000 Tiananmen thing where Peter's out at the end, because I'll tell you, you know what it had to

00:44:25.160 me? Forgive me. But it had Ron DeSantis weird smile vibes, didn't it? At the end, like where

00:44:29.160 you're like, and I don't forget to smile. OK, just watch.

00:44:34.860 Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was, can you explain the discrepancy?

00:44:40.720 All I said on this was, is I got there that summer and misspoke on this. So I will just.

00:44:45.360 That's what I've said. So I was in Hong Kong and China during the democracy protests went in.

00:44:54.460 And from that, I learned a lot of what needed to be in governance.

00:45:00.220 Thank you, Governor. I wish I had stopped speaking two sentences ago. That's what I love the

00:45:06.560 formulation, which he did in other places last night of, you know, what I've said is,

00:45:11.000 which is a way of saying that I have you had an effective line in campaign appearances that I

00:45:19.040 wish I could translate now in a different context that you would all understand. But maybe if I say

00:45:25.140 it, it'll sound like it's past tense and it's already been fact check at the previous debate.

00:45:29.020 So can we move on, please? Have I run out of time? It is so.

00:45:32.220 Well, where was the little gift, the gift follow up to J.D. Vance like Tim Wall's got after

00:45:37.960 everything? Like, would you like to check fact check specifically the following two claims that

00:45:42.080 I just heard from your opponent? They kept giving walls those opportunities. That would have been

00:45:46.000 a great moment to look at J.D. Vance and say, do you accept that he just misspoke when he said he

00:45:51.340 was at the massacre and in China when this happened, when in fact he was sitting in Nebraska or Minnesota,

00:45:56.900 wherever he was at the time? J.D. Vance didn't get any of those opportunities. And it would have been

00:46:00.640 a great chance for J.D. Vance to say, no, I don't accept that because this is at least the 12th lie

00:46:05.040 he's told publicly that we've caught him in and we've only known him for eight weeks.

00:46:10.220 Well, the mics weren't off. So J.D. could have pushed in there and probably should have. I mean,

00:46:14.200 if I'd been there, I would have said I know a little something about geography and I know that

00:46:17.620 the distance between Beijing and Hong Kong is actually not inconsequential. I have no idea what

00:46:23.360 this man is talking about. It seems like he is telling yet another self-serving lie and he should

00:46:28.620 just own it if that is what happened. We can forgive you, but only if you can admit that you lied.

00:46:33.840 I don't know why. He was back stateside, wasn't I think he was stateside when it happened and then

00:46:39.800 traveled to China in August. So he wasn't even close. Yeah. But no, but he was at a Chinese

00:46:45.920 restaurant that night. It was great. It was in Nebraska. The point about J.D. Vance, this is,

00:46:57.080 I think, the only thing where I thought he was was weak was that he was being too nice, which I think

00:47:02.200 there's a lot of luck to be said for that. But he didn't butt in in a few places he should have.

00:47:06.660 At one point when he did change the subject and talked about free speech, he was actually talking

00:47:12.720 and Tim Waltz said something when Vance was talking. And I don't know if anyone else caught this when he

00:47:19.220 said something about his hatred of freedom of speech and quoted him on this saying that there is no

00:47:26.160 right to misinformation or whatever the exact quote is. And he said, no, no, no. And this is under him

00:47:32.780 talking. He said, no, I'm talking about hate speech. Two things about this that are incredibly

00:47:38.020 important as Americans. And you know this, obviously, Megan, as a lawyer, there is no First

00:47:45.120 Amendment exception to hate speech. Full stop. We are not. Thank God we can be as hateful as we want.

00:47:52.860 Yeah. I mean, we can insult them. Give me a person and I'll give you some hate speech right now.

00:47:58.500 People like they have this deranged idea. And to go back one time, one more time to fire in a crowded

00:48:04.540 theater that and I've mentioned this a million times in the podcast is my favorite old. So that case

00:48:09.900 was an abrogation of somebody's free speech rights who was opposing the First World War,

00:48:15.000 a socialist, by the way, handing out newspapers and was arrested for it. And the court said,

00:48:19.680 you can't yell fire in a crowded theater. That was someone opposing the First World War,

00:48:24.420 which was a very stupid thing for America to be into in the first place in 1917. That is what the

00:48:29.540 president and he's saying that the hate speech. No, that's what I'm talking about. You can't say

00:48:33.540 hate speech things. You know, this is kind of it would have been great to push him on that

00:48:38.300 to get a sense, because I think this is a real epidemic in the Democratic Party these days,

00:48:42.280 that there are these carve outs for speech and for misinformation. And if there aren't,

00:48:48.000 there certainly should be. That's the vibe I get from a lot of these guys.

00:48:51.720 Oh, I would have been. I wish I had been there. And there was Oliver Wendell Holmes. And just

00:48:55.600 actually, you can you can. I don't believe you're a lawyer, Governor Walz. You can yell fire in a

00:49:00.960 crowded theater and you can say hateful things because this is the United States of America.

00:49:07.080 And it's right there in Amendment number one. It's one of our favorites, was one of the founders

00:49:13.540 favorites and was one of the founding principles upon which this country was built. There's no

00:49:17.500 exception for speech. Tim Walz or Kamala Harris magically deems hateful. But they've been pushing

00:49:23.740 this, both of them and a lot of Democrats have for quite some time. These young Democrats on college

00:49:28.460 campuses say that they want they want they believe that the Constitution doesn't protect hate speech.

00:49:33.520 And those who understand that it does want a constitutional amendment that would explicitly

00:49:37.980 ban it. Who do you want to decide what's hate speech? Donald Trump, Kamala Harris? No, thanks.

00:49:43.300 All right. We're going to take a quick break. There's so much more to get to with the guys from

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00:50:40.160 Speaking of leftists' misunderstanding of our Constitution and what matters, we had one of

00:50:48.480 the most abysmal questions of the night as the second topic. She brings up Hurricane

00:50:54.420 Helene, which is a great issue. People are really suffering to this moment. And so far,

00:51:00.900 the response by this White House has been, I think, shameful. The fact that she was out there

00:51:05.700 partying with Demi Lovato and Sterling K. Brown and having her beef Wellington while people were

00:51:12.080 begging for help on their rooftops drowning to death with their grandchildren is an absolute disgrace.

00:51:18.200 That might have been a good question. But no, they raised it. And you're thinking, OK, yes, great.

00:51:24.980 Here we go. And then came the pivot mid-question, not to Hurricane Helene at all, but to an Al Gore

00:51:33.460 lie about why we're getting bad hurricanes. Look at this.

00:51:38.980 Let's turn now to Hurricane Helene. The storm could become one of the deadliest on record.

00:51:46.080 More than 160 people are dead and hundreds more are missing. Scientists say climate change makes

00:51:53.400 these hurricanes larger, stronger and more deadly because of the historic rainfall. Senator Vance,

00:52:01.460 according to CBS News polling, seven in 10 Americans and more than 60 percent of Republicans

00:52:07.520 under the age of 45 favor the U.S. taking steps to try and reduce climate change.

00:52:13.140 Senator, what responsibility would the Trump administration have to try and reduce the impact

00:52:19.460 of climate change? What? Guys, this is so absurd. They do this every time. Every time there's a bad

00:52:27.660 storm, we've got to go to. It's climate change and the Republicans need to sign the Green New Deal

00:52:33.240 because everything is we've been having terrible hurricanes for a long, long time. A quick

00:52:38.820 search suggests that if you OK, this is from Spiked Online and this guy, Andrew Montfort,

00:52:45.440 who writes, if you were to plot a trend over the past 30 years, you would say that if anything,

00:52:49.960 hurricanes are becoming less frequent and frequent and less intense. In truth, records of hurricane

00:52:55.680 activity like all weather and climate data are highly variable, trending up or down or staying the same

00:53:01.040 for years or decades at a time, then flipping from one regime to another, often without apparent

00:53:07.920 cause. You must be extremely cautious about drawing any conclusions. And by the way, hurricanes are not

00:53:15.020 causing more damage than they used to. And goes on to say that, yes, this hurricane had some 140 mile

00:53:21.900 per hour winds, but there was Camille in 69 with 150. There was a hurricane in 1935 that had 160,

00:53:30.620 which hit the U.S. before climate change was deemed a major concern. What these leftists do is they use

00:53:37.280 hurricanes and other natural disasters to spread fear and alarm about global warming. And he points

00:53:44.220 out this practice has a long and dishonorable history. Completely agree. But that's what we saw. I mean,

00:53:52.360 did we spend eight minutes on abortion? Did we spend eight or nine minutes on January 6th?

00:53:58.820 Um, and hurricane Helene and the suffering and the federal response, which has been piss poor so far,

00:54:04.480 doesn't even get a real question. She put pops it into a question so she can look like she asked about

00:54:09.340 it and then she buries it. Thoughts? We've, we've been doing this question at presidential debates for

00:54:16.020 25 years now. Um, the big fire in California, what are you, what are you going to do about climate

00:54:22.040 change? In fact, you know, I almost want to give them credit for the usual thing to ask the Republican

00:54:26.600 is like, do you believe in climate change? Um, there instead of the actual, don't give credit,

00:54:32.260 don't give credit, Matt, because you saw her pop in with a fact check, but about just saying you saw

00:54:38.360 her pop in with a so-called fact check that no one asked for. So she comes out to say, you know,

00:54:43.600 I'll be the arbiter on climate change and how it actually is real. Hold on a second. I flagged it.

00:54:48.140 Um, after nobody up there said it wasn't real, she, Tim Walsh is like Donald Trump called it a

00:54:55.020 hoax. Nobody up there said it was a hoax. And then she pops in later with, um,

00:55:01.300 Oh God, I can't find it. But she says, Oh, we have it even better. Let's watch her do it.

00:55:08.040 The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the earth's climate is warming at an

00:55:12.340 unprecedented rate. Margaret. I just want to show you how strong I am and how factual I am in all my

00:55:18.420 own beliefs. Go ahead, Matt. What are you even doing right there? Uh, what, uh, two things that

00:55:24.500 I find interesting about that. Uh, one is I agree with you. I, I, this was, I think this is the worst

00:55:30.560 part of the moderation of the debate because it's the second question. Um, uh, and it's also interestingly,

00:55:36.620 I think, um, maybe the most skilled answer that JD Vance gave. And I don't even necessarily agree

00:55:42.480 with all the policy in his answer, but the way that he talked about, it's like, okay, if you take

00:55:46.480 this seriously of reducing carbon emissions, what would you do? I think we should do this, this and

00:55:51.620 the other. And it was really, really good. Like we're sitting at home, just like nodding along,

00:55:56.020 like I'm nodding along with JD Vance. I don't want to, but I am because he's, and he was, uh, he's

00:56:00.820 doing it, uh, kind of, uh, uh, kind of, uh, correctly, but this is, uh, this is exactly what

00:56:06.940 media has been doing for so long. And part of it is, and I was kind of reflecting on this with

00:56:11.660 Jimmy Carter turning 100 years old. And that seems like a weird thing to bring up at this moment.

00:56:15.240 But, um, if you think about both Carter and Reagan, um, and the way that they approached and

00:56:20.780 thought about and talked about and debated and disagreed about government and the role of the federal

00:56:25.740 government and how that's different than the role of the States as something, both of them who were

00:56:29.700 both former governors should know, they thought about this and acted on this constantly, right?

00:56:35.500 Uh, they understood that there were some things that the federal government does. And there's

00:56:39.120 some things that the federal government does not. They would sometimes subject an answer to a question

00:56:45.400 based on that test. Is this a proper thing for the federal government to do? Is it not? And

00:56:49.820 sometimes Jimmy, Jimmy Carter, believe it or not said, no, that's not a proper thing. That was so absent

00:56:54.420 last night, especially among the moderators, which it always is because, uh, uh, moderators and

00:56:59.240 journalists in general, just like they walk around when they see a problem, they see a big, do something

00:57:03.920 button and want to mash it. And like, they want to like yell at you if you're not mashing it as hard

00:57:08.300 as they are. But one of the problems for me last night that I bemoan as someone who prefers limited

00:57:14.320 and smaller government is that both candidates, which is true of both tickets, they kind of just

00:57:19.860 took that as given, right? We have a childcare crisis in this country. What are you going to do about

00:57:24.340 it? Uh, we have a gun epidemic. What are you going to do about it? We have this and that and the other.

00:57:29.220 Um, and JD Vance, part of his sort of, uh, uh, Amy ability, uh, was kind of like, yes, well, I,

00:57:34.780 I agree. And I think we should do something here and there, but it's also a sign of where the

00:57:38.720 Republican party is right now, which is they do want to outbid or like compete with Democrats

00:57:43.400 or saying, here's what the federal government will do to help you right now. In all cases,

00:57:47.860 the question would have been good. And Megan, you're absolutely right about this to say,

00:57:51.600 what should the federal government be doing right now with these people in this hurricane?

00:57:56.680 Are there trade-offs that they have made that have been bad trade-offs? Should there have been

00:58:00.700 this? Should there have been that Trump has made some pretty strong claims. It's been,

00:58:04.760 many of them have been rebutted about the federal response. You know, there's a lot of things to talk

00:58:08.700 about with that. And instead you go to this 25 year old, we've been talking about it forever,

00:58:14.560 badly and wrongly kind of a gormless question about climate change and shout out to JD Vance for

00:58:20.460 actually answering it pretty well. Here's his answer. Let's watch it.

00:58:26.720 Senator, what responsibility would the Trump administration have to try and reduce

00:58:31.820 the impact of climate change? I'll give you two minutes.

00:58:35.540 Sure. So first of all, let's start with the hurricane because it's an unbelievable,

00:58:39.380 unspeakable human tragedy. I just saw today actually a photograph of two grandparents on a roof with a

00:58:45.100 six-year-old child. And it was the last photograph ever taken to them because the roof collapsed and those

00:58:49.560 innocent people lost their lives. And I'm sure Governor Walz joins me in saying our hearts go

00:58:54.080 out to those innocent people. Our prayers go out to them. And we want as robust and aggressive as a

00:58:59.080 federal response as we can get. Tim Walz is nodding along. Go ahead, Moynihan.

00:59:04.600 Yeah. I mean, this is deeply frustrating. As Matt said, this has been the same question for 25 years.

00:59:10.880 And also just to add, watching JD Vance and watching him that very quick response,

00:59:17.340 and it gets much better. I mean, that was a pointed response. We shouldn't be surprised by this.

00:59:23.700 Everybody who does this, everybody who should be in the White House governing our lives should be good

00:59:29.180 at it. And we're surprised that somebody's so fluid, but this is his job. And he's exceptionally good

00:59:35.680 at his job. The thing that struck me about this question, Megan, is that, you know, I know very

00:59:43.120 little about the science of climate change. But what I do know is I know politics and I know that the Pew

00:59:50.420 poll in 2024, as in every year before it, has the 10 issues that concern voters most. What is the last

01:00:00.240 one? The very last one is climate change. That's not to say it's not an important issue. It is the

01:00:06.400 last issue. What do people who are in North Carolina, people who have been affected by this hurricane,

01:00:13.000 what are they saying on social media? If you kind of go out there and, you know, listen to people,

01:00:18.320 they're like, you know, these kind of Northeastern newspapers and media outlets aren't paying

01:00:25.780 attention to us. This should be if this would be a bigger story if this had hit Brooklyn. And I think

01:00:31.140 that that's true. And there's nothing that kind of underscores the idea of media bias than, you know,

01:00:37.900 this coming up in the debate and you're saying, oh, good, this is coming up. Our concerns are coming

01:00:42.200 up. What is the federal? And then it turns to something about climate change. And you say, oh, yeah,

01:00:47.780 that's them. That's what they do. But one final thing is what Matt said, which is the thing that

01:00:53.760 drove me crazy last night. And this is to knock both of them, is that I come from a different era.

01:01:00.280 I come from different politics. I am obviously, as your listeners know and listeners of Colm know,

01:01:06.200 we're all more libertarian in our economic outlook. And the buddy cop film that we saw last night

01:01:13.620 is because there is no version of the Republican Party that is free market oriented. And as Matt

01:01:23.080 says, it's like, you know, we have to solve child care. What is what is your administration going to

01:01:28.180 do? And I'm like, that's a great idea. We can spend on this. We can spend on this. That that

01:01:33.060 agreement was that there's so little daylight between Democratic and Republican economic policy

01:01:39.360 these days that it really bums me out, to be honest. Yeah. No, this today's Republican Party

01:01:44.740 does not share the Reagan. The scariest nine words in the English language are I'm from the government

01:01:49.680 and I'm here to help. They do not share that at all. So, yes, you're right. Climate change

01:01:54.640 consistently rings at the bottom of what viewers or voters care about. And yet there was a high in the

01:02:01.320 in the play at the at the debate. And immigration is consistently one, two, three at the lowest on

01:02:10.140 what they care about. And that one got rolling. And as soon as it got rolling, she shut it down.

01:02:18.620 Margaret Brennan, who was absolutely terrible last night, not only I'm sorry, she looked like she was

01:02:24.420 stuck in 1992. I'd like just the whole look, the fashion, the makeup. I don't make that face of me,

01:02:29.840 Mack. Well, she know it's true. I'm just the only one with the guts to say it. And she she gets out

01:02:39.020 there. And just as it starts to roll and they start to fight on immigration in a way that's

01:02:43.720 really good, like J.D. is bringing up the specifics of what Biden Harris have done with this app that

01:02:51.200 lets illegals come into the country, quote, legally, but it's all a sleight of hand. CBS actually cut his

01:02:59.820 mic. It was egregious. Let me tell you somebody. This is something as a moderator who has tried to

01:03:06.080 herd these cats on the stage many times. I'm not opposed to cutting a mic if things have gotten

01:03:10.560 totally out of hand. However, I do believe that a strong moderator can stop that. And I think I have

01:03:15.940 a history that proves that there is a way of communicating with the guys on the stage where

01:03:19.360 you can let them know, I will give you a chance on this. Stand by. Let this person finish. You be

01:03:24.100 quiet right now. I'm coming to you. Or now we're done. Right. And she couldn't do it. She's afraid.

01:03:30.020 And she's she doesn't moderate live debates like that all the time where she doesn't just read her

01:03:33.220 pre written questions. However, you only cut the mics when now it's past the point of usefulness

01:03:39.640 and they're just talking over each other and they've had their fair say. And now it's just a

01:03:44.320 waste of the viewer's time. That's when you say I'm cutting the mics and we're moving forward.

01:03:47.960 This was getting to the meat of it. This was right at the heart of what Biden Harris has done.

01:03:54.660 And J.D. Walsh was J.D. advance was moving in for the kill. I mean, he was about to strike body

01:04:01.020 blows. And that's when CBS shut it down, even though immigration is so highly ranked compared

01:04:08.520 to climate change, which isn't watch. To clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio does have a large

01:04:16.120 number of Haitian migrants who have legal status. Temporary protected status.

01:04:21.540 Well, Margaret, but thank you, Senator. We have so much to get to.

01:04:24.920 Margaret, I think it's important because we're going to turn out of the economy.

01:04:27.680 Thank you. Margaret, the rules were that you guys are going to fact check. And since you're

01:04:31.280 fact checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on. So there's an

01:04:35.460 application called the CBP one app where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum

01:04:41.220 or apply for parole and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border

01:04:48.700 wand. That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card and waiting for 10 years.

01:04:53.420 That is the facilitation of a legal immigration, Margaret, by our own leadership.

01:04:57.140 Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process. We have so much to get to, Senator.

01:05:02.820 Those laws have been on the books since 1990.

01:05:05.360 Thank you, gentlemen.

01:05:06.200 The CBP one app has not been on the books since 1990. It's something that Kamala Harris

01:05:11.500 created for. Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut. We have

01:05:16.840 so much we want to get to. Thank you for explaining the legal process. Nora.

01:05:21.420 Oh, my God. It's infuriating that you have both candidates telling you they want to fight

01:05:25.920 on this. They want to engage. They're the ones running for office, not you, Margaret Brennan.

01:05:32.160 And she did that time and time. We have so much to get to. I would have said they just

01:05:39.540 cut your mics. Turn their mics back on. Turn his mic back on. Mr. Vance, you have 30 seconds.

01:05:46.660 Mr. Waltz, you'll have 30 after that. Go. That was there's a reason, Camille, they stepped

01:05:52.500 in there.

01:05:53.060 I mean, it's also just bad TV. Like, I want to see them have that conversation. And I've

01:05:58.360 thought it multiple times last night. Like, these debates, it's interesting. There are

01:06:03.420 ways in which these things are important. Also, it's really outmoded. In the era of Joe

01:06:07.460 Rogan, when folks are tuning in to three hours of conversation, I want to see these people

01:06:13.520 have discussions with one another. Someone who is competent there to help shepherd things

01:06:18.620 and make certain that the conversation is going someplace and not getting horribly circular

01:06:23.080 and obnoxious. But this was exactly an opportunity for them to really dig into the issues and

01:06:28.500 have some kind of substantive exchange. They were both interested in having that engagement

01:06:32.980 and her at a moment when she's been called out for breaking the rules that her own network

01:06:38.320 has established here. Rules that I suspect they're breaking because in... Well, actually,

01:06:42.960 I won't get into that part. But after being called out for that, then to kind of obnoxiously

01:06:47.780 nod and sort of grin, like, your mics have been cut. Nobody can hear what you're saying

01:06:52.440 anyways. Why? Why can they hear what you're saying? This isn't about you performing. And

01:06:57.160 had you not interjected in the way that you did, none of this would have transpired at all.

01:07:01.800 They would have just continued on. But yeah, a huge missed opportunity for CBS and for the

01:07:07.040 networks in general. I think we've talked about this a couple of times now after these debates,

01:07:10.780 but we definitely need more formats for candidates to interact with one another,

01:07:16.000 with journalists as well, like actually competent journalists, so that the American people can have

01:07:20.460 a better opportunity to assess the caliber of the people who are running for the highest offices

01:07:25.400 in the country. It was amazing. To clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio does have a large

01:07:32.600 number of Haitian migrants who have legal status. She was trying to correct what J.D.

01:07:40.600 Vance had said, because he said, we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with

01:07:46.260 Americans for scarce homes. And he was talking about Springfield, Ohio. So she was trying to

01:07:51.160 correct him, saying these are legal migrants. And he was trying to respond, saying, let me fact check

01:07:57.840 your fact check, madam, because this is my home state. I'm a senator from there, and I know exactly

01:08:04.400 how the Haitian migrants got there. These are not the kind of legal migrants who wait for years to get

01:08:10.040 their green card and so on. They were given this fast pass thanks to this app that Biden Harris put

01:08:16.420 in place. And then Tim Walsh jumps in to say, that's been there since 1990. And J.D. Vance was

01:08:22.480 saying, absolutely not. No, it hasn't. We all remember when they put that in place a couple of

01:08:26.820 years ago, it was supposed to solve this problem. It only added to it. And she refused to let him

01:08:32.820 correct Tim Walsh. She falsely corrected him. Tim Walsh jumps in. J.D. Vance now tries to correct

01:08:40.400 Tim Walsh, but he's not allowed to. And she kicked this whole thing off. She kicked it the whole thing

01:08:47.520 off, Margaret Brennan, by saying the crisis at the U.S.-Mexico border consistently ranks as one of the top

01:08:53.520 issues for American voters. So then let them talk about it. There's a reason they didn't want to,

01:09:01.780 guys. And it's the same reason that, according to the Media Research Center, 84% of the coverage on

01:09:08.180 CBS Evening News every weeknight and every weekend has been positive when talking about Kamala Harris.

01:09:15.360 When talking about Donald Trump, 79% has been negative. Literally almost the exact same figure,

01:09:24.000 only reverse on the positivity and the negativity. They're in the tank for Team Blue. And it's

01:09:30.800 outrageous. Your blood must boil. I know we're used to it. It's not okay to be used to it.

01:09:36.900 And this is the three major networks, too. Let's keep in mind, as we've mentioned before on this

01:09:42.920 program, that it's about the last bastions of places that have truly mixed audiences,

01:09:49.100 the nightly newscasts on the old-timey networks, CBS, NBC, and ABC. So you would think that given

01:09:56.440 that, that it should have the people who work there have a certain type of sensibility that understands

01:10:04.080 that, that respects that, and that that respect then will be reflected in the way that they kind of

01:10:10.320 deal with both candidates and also the people who support their candidates. I suspect maybe less

01:10:16.060 than kind of an instrumental sense of like, we want to make sure that the Democrats do well here.

01:10:21.500 I suspect this is only, you know, we can only can't guess what's inside human hearts.

01:10:26.300 There's an industry media pressure, specifically around when you're platforming, you know, Republicans

01:10:33.300 and people who with any kind of adjacency to Donald Trump. It's very, very strong internal media

01:10:39.320 pressure to say, you must fact check. There was an entire meta debate going into this debate

01:10:44.280 among journalists saying like, oh my God, they're not going to do fact checks. They have to do fact

01:10:49.460 checks. But there's so many journalists who think that ABC did a good job last time with its absolutely

01:10:54.980 very, very loaded, one-sided kind of fact check and follow-ups towards Donald Trump as compared to

01:11:01.920 Kamala Harris. Though it should be pointed out, as we did when we were on with you earlier,

01:11:06.620 after the Donald Trump debate, like that shouldn't be an excuse. J.D. Vance didn't have to,

01:11:11.400 you know, lean on that excuse to not win the debate. He won the debate despite all of that.

01:11:17.120 And I think there's a way a skilled debater can come up with that. But it is, I think that they

01:11:23.140 are sitting there, especially on issues related to immigration. They're ready to jump in with that

01:11:29.320 fact check because they have this sort of internal pressure of like, oh no, he's going to do the lies.

01:11:34.220 And it's a lie that could actually hurt people. There have been, you know, schools have been

01:11:38.040 closed in Springfield. It's a very emotional topic. But a journalist, I think the journalistic

01:11:42.540 sensibility in my view should be, especially with immigration. And that's an issue that I disagree

01:11:48.560 with J.D. Vance on a lot, right? But especially immigration is hellishly complicated. That is exactly

01:11:54.980 when you let them go back and forth. Well, actually this law came in 1990. Well, actually it did this,

01:11:59.860 it did this. Talk about it because most people don't understand the overlapping rules that go

01:12:05.380 with that and the interpretations of those rules and how that's created this loophole here and this

01:12:09.840 pressure there. It is really, really complicated. So you do a service to reviewers if you let those

01:12:15.180 debates go out. And it wasn't as if they were sitting there and just hurling racial epithets at

01:12:19.960 one another. It was a disagreement about policy. That's what we should want to see.

01:12:24.380 It was totally substantive. Yes, I agree. But what we heard from Margaret Brennan all night long was

01:12:30.760 we have so much to get to. We have so, in fact, we have a bit of that. Watch. Top 10. Super cut.

01:12:38.600 Gentlemen, we have a lot to get to. Nora? Thank you. Senator, we have so much to get to.

01:12:43.180 Margaret, I told you. We have so much to get to, Senator. The audience can't hear you because your

01:12:48.100 mics are cut. We have so much we want to get to. We have a lot to get to ahead, gentlemen,

01:12:53.740 on many topics. Oh, my God. She's so irritating. It's very, very irritating.

01:13:02.300 Right? I mean, one of my irritants about watching these debates has been, like,

01:13:07.120 the need by these moderators, I mean, the women in particular, to try to be, like, total humorless

01:13:15.300 ball busters. You know, like, when you saw the Lindsay Davis clip, like, there are no states in

01:13:22.560 the union in which they are executing the babies at all. And then you see, you know, Margaret,

01:13:28.540 but we have so much to get to. Or Nora O'Donnell with the, all the scientists agree that climate

01:13:36.180 change is real and the earth is overheating. And then you had Dana Bash at the first debate with,

01:13:41.600 like, I mean, she was actually the worst. Her face never moved from the, like, the

01:13:45.180 Mr. Vice President, Mr. President, former President Trump. Like, I don't understand why these women

01:13:52.080 don't, they think that being taken seriously requires nothing but seriousness, even if it

01:13:57.680 feels false and affected. You can smile. You can show warmth. You can have a sense of humor where the

01:14:03.360 situation calls for it. It's an utter fail that they, maybe they don't have personalities. I don't

01:14:07.820 know these people personally. Maybe they really are just this way in real life. Truly, they might

01:14:11.520 have no personality. Maybe that's what I'm stumbling into. I mean, I will say the one time I met Nora

01:14:15.920 O'Donnell in person, um, we were at one of those like radio and television correspondent dinners and

01:14:21.080 we were in the gowns and we kind of walked next to each other and we shook hands and she shook my,

01:14:28.820 she shook my hand like she was Arnold Schwarzenegger. She gripped it and she shook it so hard.

01:14:34.400 And I was like, I hate to tell you, but you are communicating exactly the opposite of the

01:14:39.180 message you want me to receive, right? Everything you're telling me is that you're insecure. Um,

01:14:43.980 it's not working. Like you, I think you're trying to project strength and you're doing the,

01:14:47.300 and that's exactly what that does. I'm humorless and I will play right into the stereotypes

01:14:53.160 of the uptight left wing nasty woman, right? Like just fucking have a sense of humor. Let a little

01:14:59.940 smile out. Like go, it's just painful. The handshake of somebody who, who sleeps with their

01:15:06.620 nanny. Um, I, I am the Doug Amhoff here. I'm a new man. So I am not going to comment on these,

01:15:17.560 uh, ladies. Cause you know, it's, I don't want to give you my hyper macho response,

01:15:23.140 but it's a masculine response. I mean, I am toxic for a lot of reasons. Masculinity is not one of

01:15:29.720 them. Matt's point is right. And I don't, you don't know after being in the media for so long,

01:15:37.820 if these people are actually rooting for a particular candidate, sometimes they are,

01:15:42.180 sometimes they're not, but it is so internal. It was the thing that happened and disappeared during

01:15:47.760 the Trump years. The without evidence thing that I always bring up that, you know, little

01:15:52.880 parenthetical in every article Donald Trump said without evidence, politicians say things without

01:15:58.100 evidence all the time. And that disappeared when Donald Trump disappeared from the white house.

01:16:02.480 And the reason I think that is important is because it's not really about whether or not Donald Trump

01:16:08.780 saying something is true or saying the lie or JD Vance saying something that's true. It's about kind of

01:16:14.840 signaling to the people within your cohort that you asked the question. You have to make sure to push

01:16:22.020 back. It's not about, you know, the people who are watching and those are the people that matter,

01:16:26.800 right? Because they pay your bills and they're the voters. It's really about positioning themselves,

01:16:30.980 right? And I think that if, if, um, JD Vance can be upset about maybe AI taking our jobs and

01:16:38.480 industrial policy coming back to the United States, I think that the job of the two women we saw last

01:16:43.820 night could be done by chat GPT in a much better way. And I'm not even joking. I think that's to

01:16:51.560 outsource those jobs to a supercomputer that can beat Gary. That's right. And it was a good debate.

01:16:59.900 It takes a human. It's, it's like when you, you know, whatever you get to the airport, you know,

01:17:05.200 I think I've told the audience this happened to us, but we were at the airport and my 11 year old

01:17:09.820 daughter had a bottle, an unopened bottle. It was like brand new of Johnson's baby shampoo and the

01:17:15.820 security TSA took it. It was like, okay, it's Johnson's baby shampoo. You can see that this is

01:17:22.180 a child. Like they're like, Nope. I mean, it's above four ounces. You know, it was like six ounces,

01:17:27.960 whatever it was. I was like, can we really, can we, I know the rule, but this is ridiculous. And this

01:17:33.760 is on the second leg of our journey. So like the other airport had no problem with it, but now you get to

01:17:38.240 the extra, you know, it's like the policy. I know the policy, but like, you're a human.

01:17:43.320 So the reason they have humans here instead of AI or monkeys is because we have judgment. We can

01:17:50.480 exercise discretion. And you can like, this is really, of course they took the bottle. Of course.

01:17:57.620 So it's just, if you're not going to exercise any discretion, if you're not going to say, Oh wait,

01:18:01.760 this is actually getting good. It's heating up. It's not just television. It's broadcast television.

01:18:06.360 There's a broadcast piece to what we're doing. This is entertaining. Let it fly. Then why have

01:18:11.400 a human there at all? Yeah. Why not let the computer just run it and read whatever questions

01:18:16.420 chat GPT comes up with. It's a complete frustration, but I wanted to pivot to this on the subject of

01:18:21.860 media bias. Cause that's kind of where we are in the news yesterday was the fact that 60 minutes

01:18:27.840 is going to be platforming drink. Um, not both candidates, Kamala Harris and not Donald Trump.

01:18:37.080 Trump was invited, but said no. And now 60 is getting indignant. You know, like we offered it

01:18:42.680 to both for many, many years. We've had both candidates come on shortly before the election.

01:18:47.760 We've profiled them both and asked tough questions. And in this unprecedented move,

01:18:51.820 Donald Trump, after they claim he said yes, has now said no. Steve Chung, who speaks on behalf of

01:18:58.880 the Trump campaign, came out and said, that's fake news. We did not actually agree. Um, we had

01:19:03.700 discussions, but we didn't agree and we're not going to agree. We're not going to go on.

01:19:06.880 And I gotta say, I think this is the right move by Donald Trump because who could forget when he did

01:19:14.100 this the last time he was taken out of context, he was sliced and diced by Leslie Stahl, uh, in her

01:19:22.300 interview, but he taped it on his own as well. So he had his own recording of the interview and then

01:19:27.520 he released it, including this unbelievable clip about the Hunter Biden laptop. Watch.

01:19:34.620 It's this, I think it's one of the biggest scandals I've ever seen. And you don't cover it.

01:19:40.780 You want to talk about it? Well, because it can't be verified. You want to talk about

01:19:44.520 insignificant things. I'm telling you. Of course it can be verified. Excuse me. They found the

01:19:49.720 laptop. Leslie, Leslie. What can be verified? The laptop. Why do you say that? Even the family hasn't,

01:19:57.300 the family on the laptop, he's gone into hiding for five days. He's gone into hiding. He's preparing

01:20:06.180 for your debate. Oh, it's taken him five days to prepare. I doubt it. I doubt it. Okay.

01:20:12.500 At that very moment, the FBI had in its possession, the laptop and had had it for a year

01:20:18.180 and had verified it. And that same FBI would later take the stand in the Hunter Biden trial

01:20:23.240 and testify that it was absolutely verified. It was Hunter Biden's. It was not Russian

01:20:27.920 disinformation. It's, it was, it was then and is now and has since been verifiable and verified.

01:20:35.620 And CBS news has never apologized for that to Donald Trump has never owned that as a mistake they made

01:20:43.080 on their flagship program. So why should he go on? Why should Trump give them the ratings and the

01:20:50.660 opportunity to lie and mislead again? Because it would be fun.

01:20:56.800 I mean, it's fun for us. It's fun for us. I have said in every contentious interview I've ever done

01:21:03.980 or with a person who didn't really want to do it. And then I convinced them, I always tell people,

01:21:10.600 you can tape it yourself too. I don't own your words. I mean, you tape it, you just please,

01:21:15.400 you know, be nice and don't broadcast it. And they did that. And this is exactly why you do that.

01:21:21.400 But I would say, look, I mean, first of all, on the laptop, I'm sorry to be, you know,

01:21:25.940 flogging a dead horse here, but it was the most easily verifiable thing in the planet just by taking

01:21:31.540 those emails, random emails and asking people if they sent them. Did you send this email?

01:21:36.420 Did you get this? Did you send this?

01:21:37.560 There you go. That's it. That's it. It's verified. On top of the fact that the FBI had had it for a year

01:21:42.440 and had verified it before. But, you know, I don't think that he should back out of this

01:21:47.960 because Donald Trump as a showman, not as a debater, I think he's a terrible debater.

01:21:53.500 I think as a showman, like in that exchange, I mean, he was very, very good in that exchange,

01:21:58.580 just hammering her, you know, you can't verify it. And she's like, no, no. And he keeps going at her.

01:22:04.400 He's very, very good at that. Make your own TV out of it. Release the clips later and just go in there

01:22:10.300 and say, this is not what you guys do to people. This is what you did to me last time. You're going

01:22:15.160 to do it to me again. Try to do it to me right now. Just go in there and play with them. There's

01:22:20.180 no harm in doing it. I would think-

01:22:22.460 Okay, but is there harm? Is there, okay, let me, let me ask you about this because I referenced it

01:22:27.100 a couple of times already, but this Cook Political Report is showing it's getting tighter and tighter

01:22:32.020 and tighter. And so I realized Trump fighting with the media, Leslie Stahl, 60 Minutes, very good for

01:22:36.640 Republicans. They love it. Eat it up. They hate the media. They couldn't hate the media more.

01:22:41.740 So big points. He doesn't need more points with the Republicans. He needs these independents,

01:22:46.160 these swing state voters, this tiny sliver in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and elsewhere that

01:22:51.280 will swing this election. And this new political report by Cook shows that just she, Kamala Harris,

01:23:00.360 holds a narrow lead of 49 to 48 in a two-way matchup and has a lead within the margin of error

01:23:07.740 in Arizona plus two, Michigan plus three, Nevada plus one, Pennsylvania plus one, Wisconsin plus two.

01:23:14.780 Trump is ahead 49 to 47 in Georgia. And the two candidates are tied in North Carolina, North Carolina.

01:23:22.540 Trump should be winning North Carolina. He won it in 2020. He lost most of the swing states,

01:23:27.120 but he won that. Nope, not right now. He's tied with her in North Carolina. And they're showing

01:23:33.560 that she has slowly but surely not entirely erased, but severely tightened his lead on the issue of

01:23:45.480 who's better to handle inflation in this country. Like she is tightening this. And so does Trump fighting

01:23:53.260 with Leslie Stahl or Scott Pelley, you tell me, Camille, do anything to help him with independence

01:23:59.720 in Pennsylvania or like, how is he going to get those people? Because he needs to get those people.

01:24:06.680 Yeah. I think it's all a matter of how he comports himself in those interviews. As,

01:24:10.380 as we've talked about after the last debate, while they were hostile, while it was loaded against him

01:24:16.180 from the, from the very outset, there was certainly some bias there. There were things he could have

01:24:20.540 done to help himself that he didn't do. And I think he, were he to sit down for the 60 minutes

01:24:24.540 interview, you asked them to air it uncut. That's an option that could, that could potentially help

01:24:29.080 you. You keep pounding on the fact that you want to have this conversation with Kamala Harris and

01:24:33.320 actual debate on a platform that is more likely to be friendly to you. She won't do it. You should

01:24:37.680 be out there talking about it. And quite frankly, if I was him and it was a 60 minutes thing,

01:24:41.840 maybe you try to get some rules that are a little bit more amicable for you, but insist on doing it

01:24:47.680 with Kamala Harris, you want as many of these showdowns as possible. If you're Donald Trump

01:24:52.220 going down to the wire and, and let's face it. I mean, Kamala is not phenomenal in all of these

01:24:57.420 contexts in many instances. And in quite frankly, with respect to the debate, the one debate they

01:25:02.680 had, I thought Donald Trump more injured himself in that debate than Kamala Harris comported herself

01:25:07.680 in a phenomenal way. She's been giving the exact same answers to in, in some instances,

01:25:12.580 different questions for weeks now. It looks completely ridiculous. Point that out in a,

01:25:19.420 in a format that is perhaps supposed to be favorable to her. That might help you. Those are

01:25:25.040 the kinds of things that will actually move the needle for him. I don't know that the rallies are

01:25:28.280 going to be like as effective in that respect. Certainly your ground operation in the various

01:25:33.220 battleground States is important and consequential, but in terms of what the candidate can do to help

01:25:37.980 himself, getting out there, doing media and doing it in a competent way, the way that J.D. Vance

01:25:43.080 largely did last night is the very best thing that Trump could do to help himself in this race. And

01:25:49.500 I don't know that he actually advances the ball by turning down an opportunity like this,

01:25:54.560 especially because they're going to spin it. You may be right.

01:25:56.640 And you know they're going to spin it.

01:25:57.480 And she's going to do it. So now she's got control of the show and he's not in there. And here's,

01:26:02.180 I like the, this is not an encouraging report. I mean, it shows it very tight and you can make

01:26:08.560 the argument that when it's tight, that's a Trump lead, right? That we've heard that at least at the

01:26:12.360 national level, the experts are saying that doesn't really necessarily apply at the swing

01:26:15.240 state level, but on the national popular vote, a tie goes to Trump, you know, cause all these others

01:26:19.800 who, uh, who like in 16 Hillary Clinton, um, was up going into that election in the national vote.

01:26:28.680 And yeah, she did win the popular vote, but not by as much. Anyway, the secret Trump vote

01:26:32.580 has to be factored in and we'll find out whether that's still a thing, but listen to some of these

01:26:37.360 numbers. Uh, they report Trump continues to lead on the economy, but his advantage on inflation has

01:26:42.320 disappeared. He did have a six point lead in August over her 48 to 42. Now it's evenly divided 47 to 47

01:26:49.500 on who they trust more to handle the issue that 60% of swing state voters say is the aspect of the

01:26:55.640 economy that concerns them the most. They care most about inflation and they're evenly split now

01:27:01.540 on that issue. Uh, they say there's a few explanations for it. The first is that Harris's

01:27:06.940 message on the economy has broken through another is that Trump's attempt to link her to Bidenomics.

01:27:12.640 I mentioned this earlier has not been as effective as the Republicans had hoped. And they go on to talk

01:27:19.160 about how, um, even Trump's best issue immigration, he's still winning on it. Um, he has his largest

01:27:26.880 lead over her there 51 to 42, but that's a five point drop from where he was over Harris in August.

01:27:36.060 And guys, what this tells me is that her inanity over, I'm going to issue price controls and I'm

01:27:43.940 going to give all first time home buyers, 25,000 bucks. And trust me, that's not going to drive up the

01:27:48.360 price of homes for people who aren't first time home buyers who are competing against those same

01:27:53.060 people in the market is working. It's working. She's somehow getting through on it. So maybe

01:28:01.260 these guys are right, Matt, that he should go out there on 60 minutes and at least try to counter

01:28:07.820 some of this. Well, let's remember Megan, it's true on one hand that Republicans really hate the

01:28:14.460 media. And that's like the binding glue that has put together the Republican coalition predating

01:28:19.940 Trump, but it's really strongly now, but they're not the only ones who hate the media. It is an

01:28:24.480 American pastime right now to absolutely loathe the media. Uh, it's right down there. It's a special

01:28:30.280 bond. So you can get a lot of independence in this, I think election, like most are, especially in a

01:28:36.940 divided country is one lost by the independence. And Kamala Harris has been pretty competitive with

01:28:41.480 that group for a while. Uh, so I think you can absolutely get some, Hey, if you're being treated

01:28:46.640 unfairly by the media. And also as Michael points out, when you just sort of see the clip with him

01:28:50.840 and Leslie stall, and I say, this is someone who's not going to vote for Trump in any circumstance ever

01:28:55.560 in my life. Uh, your, your face starts to smile a little bit cause he's there giving it, he's doing the

01:29:00.900 Trump thing. And that is still entertaining. Um, and, uh, it's especially those of us who have

01:29:05.720 personal memories about Leslie stall that we don't particularly enjoy. So yes, he should absolutely

01:29:11.320 do that. I suspect Megan that the, uh, the betterness that she is doing on the economy has

01:29:17.640 nothing to do with what she has said about it. I think that if you pulled any American off the street,

01:29:22.760 even like a, a high attention voter and say, can you define the opportunity economy? They would be

01:29:29.680 like, I mean, I don't know. I don't know what she's talking about. I think what she's benefiting from

01:29:33.680 is that the economy is doing better. Um, you know, inflation, fed cut interest rates,

01:29:40.120 inflation has been going down. America has been, and everyone forgets this when their party is not

01:29:45.240 in charge of the white house, but America has grown better than all the rich countries have

01:29:50.080 over the last couple of years. Um, we are kind of a miraculous machine, regardless of all the idiocy

01:29:55.880 that happens in Washington. And usually it is regardless, uh, or in defiance of it. So, um,

01:30:02.380 yeah, you feel things are getting a little bit better. Uh, and maybe the one, uh, element attack

01:30:07.640 element that she has said that's been successful, especially when it comes to inflation is that she

01:30:13.160 keeps hammering home that his tariffs raise prices. Um, what she doesn't really discuss.

01:30:18.260 She calls it a 20% tax on like a sales tax. I, uh, I think it is, uh, I think tariffs are bad. And I

01:30:25.440 think it's a, if it's not a direct 20% price, uh, high price hike, it's going to get, uh, pretty,

01:30:31.160 uh, close and it's awful. Um, but, uh, what she hasn't done, and this is like the one time that

01:30:36.560 Stephanie rule actually asked a follow-up question in her one, uh, not even softball,

01:30:41.220 but T-ball, uh, interview with Kamala Harris. Uh, she attempted to say, but Hey, look, you support

01:30:47.020 lots of tariffs too, including most of the Trump ones. How are they not themselves? Uh, tax increases.

01:30:52.440 She hasn't had to really answer that question. Uh, but I think that one perhaps, um, and it could

01:30:57.700 be my own priors has stuck a little bit to Trump and the immigration thing is, is actually very

01:31:02.520 interesting to me. Um, I would like to dive into those statistics, but if it is true that Trump

01:31:07.040 has lost five percentage points on immigration, uh, since August or whatever, what has changed about

01:31:13.560 immigration and the way that we talk about it? I think I know. I think I know. I think it's eating

01:31:17.440 the dogs and eating the cats is what has changed. It's the fact that in June, Joe Biden issued this

01:31:23.620 executive order to severely curtail asylum claims because he knew he had an, a general election

01:31:30.040 coming and he wanted to deprive the Republicans of a talking point saying, look at the border right

01:31:35.840 now. So he managed to curtail the flow going into the summer and it remains relatively low compared to

01:31:43.460 where it's been during their four years. And it's working in convincing some Americans. Oh,

01:31:49.000 the problem's been solved as if they're going to leave that executive order in place during a

01:31:54.540 Harris administration, which we have zero interest to believe or zero reason to believe is the case.

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01:34:15.600 apply. Camille, I think it was you who said, one of the reasons we watch these things is to figure out

01:34:25.200 whether they can do it. Like, do they have a facility with words? Could they be the spokesperson

01:34:30.160 for the nation? And that brings me to this little ditty from Kamala Harris yesterday on the Israel

01:34:38.760 situation as Iran was launching missiles into Israel. You tell me whether this person passes

01:34:46.500 that test. But initial indications are that Israel with our assistance was able to defeat this attack.

01:34:55.360 Our joint defenses have been effective and this operation and successful cooperation saved many

01:35:03.380 its innocent lives. My commitment to the security of Israel is unwavering. And let us be clear,

01:35:10.940 Iran is not only a threat to Israel, Iran is also a threat to American personnel in the region,

01:35:18.120 American interests, and innocent civilians across the region who suffer at the hands of Iran based

01:35:25.120 and back terrorist proxies. To me, that looks like a hostage video. Like blink, blink twice.

01:35:34.540 Iran is very bad. Right? I mean, somebody wrote that for her. And I would suggest the reason she could

01:35:44.040 not read it with any conviction is because she feels none. She doesn't want to say those words defending

01:35:49.840 Israel. That is not something that actually she feels. I think she's probably more sympathetic

01:35:54.840 with the other side because she's all about the DEI and most of the DEI proponents are not at all

01:36:00.980 pro-Israel. But either way, that was just a pathetic display. And we're going to have to watch that

01:36:07.700 for how many years if she wins? I don't know. Would anybody like to defend her?

01:36:12.280 I mean, I wouldn't defend her. And I also, I don't know what her actual feelings about all of this are,

01:36:18.760 but it does feel like one can at least acknowledge that there is always this litany that she,

01:36:23.220 Walls and Biden parrot every single time they talk about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

01:36:28.860 They certainly began by talking about October 7th, which is appropriate. But they eventually get

01:36:33.700 around to talking about the Palestinians and the humanitarian crisis and eventually say things

01:36:38.300 about ceasefires. And it is interesting. I mean, certainly the expansion of the conflict in terms

01:36:43.680 of Israel actually taking the fight to Hezbollah in Lebanon is a pretty major deal. And certainly

01:36:50.880 the Iranian response with respect to them launching rockets into Israel is a very, very big deal.

01:36:58.740 It always feels like they're trying to toe the line when they talk about these things. And her

01:37:03.560 reading from carefully prepared remarks in a context like that does seem to be of a piece

01:37:09.380 with this rather careful discussion of how they are thinking through policy and what ought to happen

01:37:15.180 here. At least she didn't do what Joe Biden has done earlier in the week when he was talking about

01:37:20.720 the conflict, insisting as this kind of conflict with Hezbollah was heating up, that what was needed

01:37:26.880 right away was a ceasefire. And it just wasn't obvious to me why that would be a strategically sensible

01:37:32.240 decision for Israel at that particular point in time. Was it because they had unique concern about

01:37:38.460 the Iranians doing something? Well, they've done something now. And one does have to deal with

01:37:43.740 that. But Hezbollah had already been doing things. They're launching rockets and have never stopped

01:37:47.760 launching rockets into Israel. And that, it seems to me, is far more consequential a matter for us to

01:37:54.460 take into consideration here. So, yeah, I think that Kamala and Walls have been particularly careful

01:38:00.700 here, Biden as well. And in general, that suggests that there's something perhaps a little less than

01:38:08.840 savory about the way that they discuss these issues. I really, really, really want to ask you about

01:38:14.040 the Ta-Nehisi Coates discussion over on CBS, because it was amazing. So Ta-Nehisi Coates has a new book out

01:38:24.240 where he's decided to take on the topic of Israel and the war in Gaza. And in a book that apparently

01:38:31.200 has absolutely no nuance, really goes after Israel. I'm not surprised. I'm sure you guys are not

01:38:39.340 surprised. And so he goes over on CBS Morning News to promote it. And Tony Dacapul, who, my understanding

01:38:47.320 is his ex-wife is Jewish and lives in Israel with his few children. I think he has three children,

01:38:54.420 so they live in Israel. He's now married to Katie Tur of MSNBC. But in any event, you know, he's got

01:38:59.360 a real three very good reasons to question false narratives around Israel. Really pressed him in a

01:39:07.660 way that I thought was actually amazing, but he's taking all sorts of heat for it on the internet.

01:39:12.160 Watch this. I have to say, when I read the book, I imagine if I took your name out of it,

01:39:19.120 took away the awards and the acclaim, took the cover off the book, the publishing house goes away,

01:39:23.500 the content of that section would not be out of place in the backpack of an extremist. Why leave

01:39:29.900 out that Israel deals with terror groups that want to eliminate it? Why not detail anything of the first

01:39:35.400 the second intifada, the cafe bombings, the bus bombings, the little kids blown to bits? And is

01:39:41.020 it because you just don't believe that Israel, in any condition, has a right to exist?

01:39:46.740 Well, I would say the perspective that you just outlined, there is no shortage of that

01:39:51.340 perspective in American media. The reporters of those who believe more sympathetically about Israel

01:39:56.420 and its right to exist don't have a problem getting their voice out.

01:40:00.420 And it's what I struggle with throughout this book. What is it that so particularly offends you

01:40:05.800 about the existence of a Jewish state that is a Jewish safe place and not any of the other

01:40:11.320 states out there? There's nothing that offends me about a Jewish state. I am offended by the idea

01:40:16.660 of states built on ethnocracy, no matter where they are. I'm the child of Jim Crow. I'm the child of

01:40:21.540 people that were born into a country where that was exactly the case of American apartheid.

01:40:25.760 Why is there no agency in this book for the Palestinians? They exist in your narrative

01:40:30.660 merely as victims of the Israelis. Either apartheid is right or it's wrong. It's really,

01:40:36.200 really simple.

01:40:38.100 Okay. I'll just give you a sample of the blowback that Tony got for asking those questions.

01:40:44.980 Abdallah Fayyad, who's a correspondent for Vox. The questions that one host asks are incredibly hostile,

01:40:50.240 combative, and rude, telling Ta-Nehisi Coates that his new book wouldn't have any value were it not for

01:40:55.140 the accolades he previously received. They're also cartoonishly racist, blaming Palestinians for

01:41:00.140 their own oppression. Of course, not to be outdone, enter Mehdi Hassan. Insane first question from

01:41:05.540 Dokopol, suggesting Coates' book would be in the backpack of an extremist. Then the usual right to

01:41:11.080 exist propaganda question, which Coates dismisses masterfully. Crystal Ball didn't like it either.

01:41:16.100 First question accuses Coates of extremism, and rest of segment is spent insinuating he's an

01:41:20.820 anti-Semite. Great, great stuff. Wajahat Ali. He's of the infamous Don Lemon clip that our audience

01:41:26.860 may remember, where he's laughing at the Trump supporters' maps and their Ukraine. That's

01:41:33.980 Wajahat. Tony goes off, goes on an offensive attack against Coates, but there were two co-hosts there

01:41:41.500 who literally said nothing and let him blather on incessantly shameful stuff all around. Here's

01:41:47.460 somebody from a social media publisher owned by Al Jazeera. The insane interrogation of Coates and the

01:41:54.480 regurgitation of Israeli anti-Palestinian propaganda by this host makes sense when you learn that he is

01:42:00.320 fully personally invested in the system of occupation, settler colonialism, and apartheid.

01:42:06.500 And then she went on to call for CBS to reprimand Tony for those questions. Yes. Would you like to

01:42:14.100 take that one? I want to take a few things here. Tony DeCupo is a friend of mine. I didn't know

01:42:21.020 Tony's opinion on Israel. That surprised me. Tony is a very fair interviewer. He's a straight up guy.

01:42:31.540 He's somebody who is interested in getting to the truth, and he's not a super ideological guy.

01:42:37.280 And they were all incredibly fair questions. I mean, why would those not be fair questions?

01:42:42.460 Someone should be fired for asking tough questions of the great Ta-Nehisi Coates.

01:42:47.080 The thing about Coates' book, and I have skimmed what's available to me, and I suspect it's now on

01:42:53.260 sale. I think it was yesterday. And I will read it. But the incredible thing about it, there's a profile

01:43:00.440 of him in New York Magazine. We did a very long segment on it in the fifth column, is that he says

01:43:05.980 that the conflict is simple. And I'm not saying, this is not my interpretation of what he believes

01:43:11.960 the conflict to be. It is what he says. I was shocked to find out that it was actually quite

01:43:18.160 simple. No, it isn't. And if you cannot bat away those questions, which are actually very important

01:43:25.000 questions, I don't know where you get off speaking on this issue at all. I mean, Camille pointed out

01:43:31.460 in, and I'll let Camille say this, but Camille pointed out in our broadcast when we were talking

01:43:36.340 about it, his constant invocation of something that is not anything like the current situation

01:43:43.260 in Israel, which is race relations in America, which is Jim Crow and how he grew up in Baltimore.

01:43:50.080 I don't know the relationship that that has between a country that is desperate to survive

01:43:57.720 and is surrounded on every single front with people that would like to see it die. I mean,

01:44:06.400 I don't like, you know, it's not a simple thing. And, you know, also people saying, like,

01:44:10.700 oh, Tony, he's invested settler colonialism. I'm pretty sure that his ex-wife and kids don't live

01:44:16.480 in the West Bank. But that's the issue. These people believe the entire state of Israel

01:44:22.480 is illegitimate and shouldn't exist. So which was the question he asked Ta-Nehisi Coates,

01:44:27.700 is there something that a problem that you have with the Jewish state in general, rather than him

01:44:33.220 saying no, he kind of says, yes, I do have it. But I have that, you know, with everything. It's like,

01:44:39.420 you know, every time I've heard Ta-Nehisi Coates before this, he speaks through the prism of race.

01:44:44.420 It's surprising that race offends him in this context.

01:44:49.360 Go ahead, Camille.

01:44:50.740 Well, I mean, I'm more consistent on these matters, one hand. So I'll say that with Coates,

01:44:55.560 I'm at least a little sympathetic to the argument that the notion of kind of ethnic identity as a

01:45:00.840 cornerstone for any sort of national project is not something that I find particularly intriguing

01:45:05.560 or interesting. But what I will say is I'm always a big fan of nuance. And the fundamental

01:45:12.900 kind of motive force of Coates' work, both here and in other contexts, is to completely obliterate

01:45:18.980 nuance and to insist that historic events, things that bring us to where we are today,

01:45:25.220 that they're always simple and that they're always simple in ways that are very convenient for him.

01:45:29.540 They paint people at the particular characters as the worst sort of monsters imaginable.

01:45:34.220 It's they're always motivated by something that looks almost exactly like American Jim Crow or racism.

01:45:39.960 and they're always animated by some sort of kind of racial animus.

01:45:45.200 I would agree with Moynihan's assessment that these were, it seemed to me, eminently fair questions,

01:45:49.980 if a bit pointed at certain points. But that is what's supposed to happen when you go out and do media.

01:45:54.700 He didn't call him. I think someone characterized it as though he suggested Ta-Nehisi was an extremist.

01:46:01.300 He didn't do that. What he said was, if I took your name off of this, if I removed all of the rest of the

01:46:05.660 context and we just focused on the Israeli-Palestinian bits, it is so devoid of nuance

01:46:10.500 that it would have seemed appropriate to find it in the backpack of someone who was an actual terrorist,

01:46:16.580 an Islamic extremist. He didn't even deny that. Those perspectives are well represented in the

01:46:23.420 mainstream press. I didn't feel the need to unpack them again here. That was the response he gave.

01:46:28.680 He didn't say, I'm offended that you would say that. He said, I am interested in giving a voice to the

01:46:33.340 voiceless. I would suggest that Islamic extremists are not, in fact, the voiceless. And I don't think

01:46:39.020 that that's what he meant to say, that he wanted to give a voice to them. But it's worth paying

01:46:43.160 attention to the things that Hezbollah, that the people who are actually the leadership of Hamas,

01:46:48.080 the things that they have said about themselves, they say things about how they love death.

01:46:51.900 They love it. So when the Israelis deliver it to them on a platter, they're thanked for it.

01:46:57.440 That's what they want, isn't it?

01:46:58.740 I mean, I find myself as someone who has been just kind of vehemently anti-war in many instances,

01:47:05.420 which I still am, I abhor war. I dislike it tremendously. But it does seem to me that this

01:47:12.140 is not a sufficiently sensible, well-informed perspective. One has to at least be willing

01:47:18.220 to take a look at particular context and do the moral math and evaluate how you got to a

01:47:24.360 particular circumstance and what the future could possibly look like, given the many ways that

01:47:30.240 things could play out. And it does seem to me that a status quo where Hamas, where Hezbollah,

01:47:35.040 where Iran continue to be such huge influential players in this region of the world is one that

01:47:40.440 is just generally on net, bad for humanity in general. It's certainly bad for Israel. But I'd say

01:47:46.560 on average, it's bad for people in the Middle East. And it's one of those things that it just becomes

01:47:52.820 so difficult for me to understand how someone can be unflinchingly critical and skeptical of the

01:47:59.040 Israelis and of the Israeli project and not be similarly skeptical about what a world will look

01:48:05.120 like if Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran are given carte blanche to continue doing the things that they do

01:48:11.660 because we say, no, no, no, no, ceasefire now, ceasefire now. And it's always the Israelis who we

01:48:16.960 expect to abide by these ceasefire, acknowledging that these other parties don't actually care.

01:48:22.460 That they're constantly involved in hurling missiles into civilian populations.

01:48:28.700 Yeah. Yeah. They don't abide by it. And can I just say one thing? Here's what's annoying to me.

01:48:33.520 I hate people who consider themselves Israel experts after, you know, one year of playing

01:48:38.540 analyst on this issue. There are people with a couple of weeks, lifetime knowledge of exactly what's

01:48:45.300 gone on here. And I encourage you to talk to people like that and to learn. Ta-Nehisi Coates is not

01:48:50.240 one of them. Weirdly, the left in this country and elsewhere has tried to turn this whole thing

01:48:55.540 into a conflict about skin color and DEI type principles. As if on cue, Ta-Nehisi Coates enters

01:49:03.200 to say, yes, did somebody call for me? Yes, I love looking at things through that prison. I'm ready.

01:49:09.060 Writes a book as though he's an authority figure and just kind of says like, well, I'm hearing the other

01:49:14.460 perspective everywhere. So I just thought I'd give you, you know, this perspective as, you know,

01:49:18.740 DEI expert. It's just so infuriating. Go ahead, Matt Welsh. I have one very important thing in

01:49:24.360 common with Ta-Nehisi Coates that I would like to confess right up top is that I too have spent

01:49:29.440 10 days in Israel on a junket. And also I have not recently published a book about that called

01:49:38.300 The Message. I think there's a little, there's a role for humility in this world and he's not filling

01:49:45.580 it. Um, as far as I can tell, uh, calling Israel and ethnocracy is just strikes me as odd with my

01:49:52.700 admittedly only 10 days in Israel level of knowledge, which is not sufficient to make a lot

01:49:58.440 of calls, but there is, uh, an Arab minority in Israel, 2 million strong. That's a weird thing

01:50:06.500 for an ethnocracy to be about. Right. Um, I don't know that if you look around the region, uh,

01:50:13.720 immediately that you will find such ethnic diversity in the surrounding States or any of

01:50:20.220 the surrounding States, maybe there are on that I'm unaware of, which is possible, but I kind of,

01:50:24.500 uh, I'm taking the under, uh, uh, primarily. So it's a very strange, like thing to put on only

01:50:31.220 Israel. And that's a way also of kind of not expressing a lot of knowledge about, and he does

01:50:39.120 this in the New York magazine interview, uh, about the founding of States in general, he was like,

01:50:44.500 Oh, you know, there should be good founding myths of the state. We have a great founding myth in the

01:50:48.000 United States. Suddenly we liked those founding myths. Okay. That's fine. I do too. Um, uh, but like

01:50:52.600 Israel has a bad one. Um, you know, the founding myth of England is what the founding myth of most,

01:50:58.720 uh, countries in Europe is they are ethnic nation States with a dominant ethnic, uh, nationality.

01:51:04.640 And they still kind of struggle with those things as when that is your primary definition, even if

01:51:08.700 you're now a modern liberal democracy and you're pluralistic and you respect the rights of minorities,

01:51:12.760 uh, it adds different things. It's, you can count on not many hands, maybe one, uh, maximum to the

01:51:19.700 number of, uh, sort of successful, actually multi-ethnic, multi-religious liberal States. Um,

01:51:27.040 Israel is kind of one of them. Um, if that's what we're talking about. So it's really weird for me just

01:51:31.740 to say, I mean, I understand. And certainly I think Camille has some, uh, some sympathy for the

01:51:36.640 critique that it is called the Jewish state, right? Like, uh, and the, the self-definition

01:51:41.080 definition behind that. And there's some knock on laws in the country who gets to serve in the

01:51:46.660 military who doesn't, um, that are just sort of like strange to American ears. They're kind of hard

01:51:51.520 to figure out. Um, but to single them out for being an ethnocracy, I think is pretty damned ignorant.

01:51:58.300 I mean, it's truly, you know, when you're hammer, right. Um, all right, before we wrap it up, I

01:52:07.700 Moynihan and I have been seeing each other behind your backs guys, Camille and Matt, we had a private

01:52:13.760 date without, I thought, I thought I was having a secret date with Barry, but it turned out to be

01:52:22.680 Moynihan, which fine. It's also nice. Um, and, um, I went on over to the honestly podcast where

01:52:30.360 Moynihan was doing the interview and we had a nice chat about a lot of stuff, including the state of

01:52:36.820 media today and you two guys. And here's a little bit of how that went. Get Megan Kelly, give me a

01:52:44.620 positive, uh, vision of America's future, uh, because you've given me quite a dark one.

01:52:50.060 Okay. So first of all, I'll start where we began. Uh, Barry Weiss and yours truly, and you're in

01:52:57.220 there too, Moynihan. So Barry, I've said to her before, I think on the ideological scale, she's

01:53:01.800 definitely not a far lefty. She's probably like a, if, if, if one is the super far left and 10 is the

01:53:06.660 super far right, I put her at like a four or five and I put myself at like a six or a seven, you know?

01:53:12.440 And yet we're dear friends. I absolutely adore her. She comes on my show and I go on hers and that

01:53:18.340 works. We can talk to each other. We still love each other and don't care about the differences

01:53:22.820 that divide us. They're unimportant in the grand scheme. Um, you and your libertarian weird friends

01:53:28.340 who come on my show all the time, except I don't, I don't judge, but all three of us have created,

01:53:36.360 have helped create and exist now in this ecosystem. That is the antidote to all the media problems that

01:53:41.900 we discussed. And it's not only working, it's crushing. It's literally crushing mainstream

01:53:47.600 media. So well done with the tables turned Moynihan. I thought you did a very nice interview and I'm

01:53:56.400 happy to see you doing great work over the free press after that horrid experience at vice. Good on

01:54:02.860 you. And here we continue in our, in our new ecosystem. Yes. And I think that, um, you know,

01:54:11.400 listeners should know they should go listen to the whole thing, but I haven't heard the edit. I don't

01:54:16.580 know what they cut from this. I've been, um, bedridden and sick for the past four days. But

01:54:21.520 right before that, you gave me the darkest look at America. And I said, Megan Kelly, thank you for

01:54:28.320 joining us on Honestly. And you said, no, no, no, hold on, hold on. That is too grim to go out on.

01:54:33.060 Then you went out on the positive point. So Megan Kelly, the grimness, it overwhelmed her. And she said,

01:54:38.920 you know what? We have to stop. And we have to look at the fact that we are doing good work and

01:54:44.080 people are loving it. And there is an alternative for people. And I agree with that. And, um, I was

01:54:49.740 very happy that you came on. And, um, so far I'm told that the audience loves it. So.

01:54:55.160 Oh, well, thank you. I mean, honestly, I'm, I'm always thinking about that. There's always something

01:54:59.100 to make you feel better about a situation when you fail mightily, when you are humiliated,

01:55:03.840 when you bomb a test, if you're a kid, whatever, there's always something that you can get out of

01:55:07.820 it to turn it into a positive. If you spend some time reflecting, what did I learn? You know, how

01:55:12.760 will I now do better the next time? How can I build an ecosystem different than the one that I loathe

01:55:19.380 and spend so much time criticizing? And, um, so I do actually, my, I generally have a more optimistic

01:55:25.880 view. I actually think it's been important to my, my life in news. I think it's one of the reasons

01:55:31.500 why people are attracted to the show. Same as you guys. It's not, we can talk about the dark stuff

01:55:36.160 and be honest about it, but it's not a dark show. That's how I feel about you guys. And actually

01:55:41.940 it's generally, it's what attracts me to various personalities to come on the show. If, if it's all

01:55:47.420 dour and dark and foreboding, I tend to eliminate those people because it's just too, I don't want to

01:55:54.160 live like that, you know? Yeah. And today you got to find out that Matt was hooking up with his nanny.

01:55:59.380 I mean, so there's always a silver lining that you get a little, it's not, it's not all rockets

01:56:05.880 coming into television. Did I ever tell you that when my, um, my first child was born,

01:56:12.580 we interviewed nannies and we interviewed a woman who was the former Miss Maine.

01:56:16.900 And we knew that before she came for the interview, I was like, look at, this is a testament to me that

01:56:23.180 I would even consider this and for my marriage. And, um, we did not wind up hiring her, but we

01:56:29.380 hired this incredibly gorgeous woman from Brazil who was stunningly gorgeous, but very sweet. I'm,

01:56:37.680 if you have a good marriage, you're good. Doug Emhoff, you are not that person. Go ahead, Camille.

01:56:43.020 No, I was going to say exactly that. If the, if the marriage of the foundation is strong and if your

01:56:47.380 wife is bad and I, I mean, come on, you know, um, you don't actually have anything to worry about.

01:56:54.580 I would never jeopardize my marriage with any nanny, no matter how super hot she is because my

01:57:00.180 marriage is great. Nope. My wife is pretty hot. She's pretty hot. She's put together very well.

01:57:05.760 She's held together very well. Yeah. I've said you have a hot wife, but also Miss Maine was probably

01:57:11.080 super hot too. So I'm just saying sometimes, you know, I have to tell you, she's very, very

01:57:17.160 attractive. Um, yeah, yeah. You never know what somebody is unveiling in their home. There's

01:57:21.580 somebody I know whose name you would know, but I'm not going to share with you now, but she's got

01:57:24.740 this routine. She does, I know with the men in her life and she calls it night of the seven veils.

01:57:29.120 It doesn't matter if you bring Miss USA in this universe. No man is leaving night of the seven

01:57:33.900 veils. Wow. I need more information about that. What night? And is it on the subway line? Like,

01:57:40.060 how do I get there? I can bring an email. My only hint is you already know this person

01:57:48.900 and that's all I'm going to tell you on the air. Okay. What fun tricks do you have to make sure

01:57:54.300 your spouse doesn't stray into the Miss universe pageant? Email me Megan at megankelly.com.

01:57:59.860 Thanks for sticking around guys. We'll see you again soon. Thank you. Talk later.

01:58:04.600 And back tomorrow with Michael Knowles.

01:58:12.460 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - October 02, 2024

Walz's Debate Brain Freeze, New Emhoff Allegations, and Trump Spurns 60 Minutes, with The Fifth Column hosts ｜ Ep. 904

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