The Megyn Kelly Show - What Authorities REALLY Believe Happened to Nancy Guthrie, DNA Updates, and Savannah's Latest Heart-Wrenching Plea ｜ Ep. 1253

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00:01:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:06.080 Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:15.320 This is our last day here in the beautiful ocean region where we are.

00:01:21.060 And looking forward to getting back home and getting back on the news full time.

00:01:26.060 But I wanted to drop a quick episode before we do that for those of you who wanted the latest in the ongoing saga of the Nancy Guthrie case.

00:01:34.680 It's funny because even down here where we are, I've had so many people come and approach me and say,

00:01:39.860 Oh my gosh, what about this? What about that? People are obsessed with this case.

00:01:43.420 As I said last week, I think it has to do with a lot of things, including the value that we place on a human life, that we've done this repeatedly.

00:01:50.680 When the nation zeroes in on what has happened to one individual, we all pitch in collectively.

00:01:56.140 Like the nation will be satisfied in getting a result one way or the other.

00:02:00.940 And it's been an incredibly crowdsourced investigation.

00:02:05.460 And I think that gives a lot of people purchase in what happens with the investigation.

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00:03:23.940 The latest last night is something that we have news on.

00:03:28.720 There's a local reporter who works for Arizona Family named Brianna Whitney, 0.99

00:03:34.060 who reported that, quote,

00:03:36.380 The Range Rover being towed away on Friday is a reference to that Friday night raid.

00:03:58.100 This happened late into the evening Friday where the feds executed a search warrant on a home with a female and a male,

00:04:08.320 believed to be mother, son, and then also stopped a Range Rover, a dark gray Range Rover,

00:04:15.260 described by some as silver, though,

00:04:17.620 which we believe he was also connected to the people who were inside that house.

00:04:21.220 It's unconfirmed. That's our understanding, though.

00:04:23.760 And it seems that they may have had a lead directing them to one member of this family

00:04:29.060 and then, you know, covered the field with a search warrant on somebody driving the car

00:04:33.460 and then a mother, son, we believe, again, pair inside the home, and they searched the home.

00:04:38.760 No arrests were made.

00:04:40.380 And that's still being investigated,

00:04:42.640 but doesn't look like, at least on first glance,

00:04:46.520 they found their man.

00:04:47.580 And they don't think they found their man.

00:04:49.320 But what she's reporting, this Brianna Whitney,

00:04:51.460 is that DNA evidence is currently being tested from that Range Rover

00:04:55.160 that was seen being towed away on Friday.

00:04:57.280 Okay, so that's still an open question.

00:04:59.440 But the part about we can now confirm through an inside source

00:05:03.340 that investigators believe the Guthrie abduction was an intended burglary,

00:05:07.140 to say it's gotten pushback would be to undermine what's actually happened now.

00:05:12.460 Both Michael Ruiz of Fox News Digital and Matt Finn of Fox News

00:05:17.180 and my own sourcing has all said that's not the case.

00:05:22.600 Here's Michael Ruiz.

00:05:24.480 Authorities are distancing themselves from fresh reporting

00:05:26.880 suggesting the Guthrie abduction is believed to be a burglary gone wrong

00:05:29.680 and that the widespread investigative belief,

00:05:33.260 Brianna also reported this,

00:05:35.320 is that Nancy, quote, could be alive.

00:05:37.980 So they're distancing themselves from that.

00:05:41.180 A local law enforcement source tells me

00:05:43.240 this is not a working theory inside the unit

00:05:45.220 and adds that nighttime residential burglaries are rare.

00:05:50.080 Sheriff Nanos also spoke with Matt Finn of FNC,

00:05:54.540 quote, did not come from us, no idea,

00:05:56.860 and even though that is one of many possibilities,

00:05:58.940 we would never speculate such a thing.

00:06:00.800 We will let the evidence take us to motive.

00:06:04.140 No suspects have been publicly identified.

00:06:06.440 As you know,

00:06:07.000 the FBI is currently awaiting additional test results on a glove.

00:06:10.080 I'll get to that in a second.

00:06:11.080 Then Matt Finn reporting,

00:06:12.940 the FBI tells me it has no clue where that came from,

00:06:17.120 that they are leaning toward this being a burglary gone bad.

00:06:20.360 So the FBI is pushing back on this with two sources at Fox.

00:06:24.820 I've also gotten pushed back on this with my own sources connected to the case.

00:06:28.220 Um, I don't know this reporter, Brianna, she's been good so far,

00:06:33.420 but everybody gets things wrong in the course of an investigation when we're trying to work

00:06:37.920 our sources and get a lead.

00:06:39.540 As she describes her source, it's just inside source.

00:06:42.760 Don't know what that means, but I think the two reporters at Fox and yours truly all have law

00:06:47.420 enforcement sources, all of whom have told us that's not the case.

00:06:49.820 So I, I would take that with a hefty grain of salt that they're now looking at this as some

00:06:56.360 sort of burglary gone bad.

00:06:58.460 The other big reported news yesterday came out of NBC and Tom winter who reported that

00:07:05.760 authorities are leaning away from the Friday night guy.

00:07:10.600 Again, this is the theory that there's one guy who was suspected and we don't know why,

00:07:15.660 maybe it was cell phone tower data that he was near Nancy on the night in question.

00:07:20.040 Maybe it was a tip that was called in.

00:07:21.360 Maybe he looked like the porch man.

00:07:24.980 Maybe he looked like one of the other men that we saw on people's porches last week via

00:07:28.860 ring video, but something led them to this one man and it appears his family around him and NBC's

00:07:37.540 Tom winter reporting that the officials are leaning away from that guy away from Carlos,

00:07:42.620 poor Carlos, the door dash man who I thought we'd already ruled him out, but he's reporting

00:07:46.960 that indeed they, they are leaning away.

00:07:48.980 And he also added that they are leaning away from relatives of Nancy Guthrie, which is an

00:07:55.860 interesting way of phrasing it.

00:07:57.220 What does that mean?

00:07:58.300 Savannah, Annie, does it include the son-in-law, uh, Tommaso, who's married to Annie?

00:08:04.860 You could, you could thread that needle such that it doesn't, but I think relatives would

00:08:10.360 fairly encompass the son-in-law.

00:08:12.200 Um, and that does not dovetail with our own reporting today.

00:08:16.600 Uh, we have contacted our law enforcement sources and we have been steered off of that

00:08:22.140 saying no one has been cleared.

00:08:24.680 They have not moved away from anyone.

00:08:27.160 And until they have a perpetrator under arrest, assume everyone is still under scrutiny.

00:08:33.200 So, you know, the NBC report may have led to some in the Guthrie family feeling a bit

00:08:39.840 relieved this morning.

00:08:41.260 I'm here to tell you they should not feel relieved.

00:08:44.320 Everyone is still under scrutiny until someone is in handcuffs.

00:08:48.540 And that includes members of the Guthrie family.

00:08:52.280 Sorry, but that's the truth.

00:08:54.080 And I trust my source.

00:08:56.940 Absolutely.

00:08:57.500 Absolutely.

00:08:58.240 Okay.

00:08:59.060 Uh, this is somebody with impeccable credentials and is in a position to know.

00:09:03.880 And so, um, I wouldn't be getting too relieved if I were anybody in the Guthrie family or elsewhere

00:09:10.240 for that matter.

00:09:11.660 We've never suggested it has to be this guy, Tommaso.

00:09:14.960 We haven't suggested that he's off the hook either.

00:09:17.360 So, um, I think keep an open mind.

00:09:20.460 Um, I want to keep going now on the, uh, reporting.

00:09:25.900 Okay, that Range Rover that was stopped during the traffic stop the other night.

00:09:29.760 I mean, it's, it's, it is of interest.

00:09:31.160 Like what led them to this Range Rover?

00:09:33.320 Uh, it was stopped at a Culver's parking lot about two hours from Nancy Guthrie's home.

00:09:39.000 And the person was, who was driving it was detained, was handcuffed.

00:09:43.620 And there was plenty of video of the FBI interviewing this man.

00:09:47.980 I think it was the FBI.

00:09:48.800 It was a federal warrant, but the local law enforcement, I believe was also on the field,

00:09:52.860 in the field.

00:09:53.440 He was later released, no, uh, arrests made, and the vehicle has been impounded and sealed.

00:09:59.680 So they are still trying to extract DNA or other evidence from that vehicle.

00:10:05.240 And who knows whether that one could eventually pan out.

00:10:08.560 I'm drinking more coffee right now because did you guys see the report that those who drank

00:10:13.520 two to three cups of coffee a day staved off dementia, like 70% of them.

00:10:18.400 It was crazy.

00:10:19.220 Check Alec Berenson's X feed because he tweeted out the medical study.

00:10:22.920 Here I go.

00:10:25.460 Two to three has to be caffeinated cups a day or one to two cups of tea, uh, like showed

00:10:31.920 amazing results and staving off dementia.

00:10:34.600 So drink your coffee.

00:10:36.200 It's amazing.

00:10:36.840 Over the years, try as they might, they cannot prove that coffee is bad for you.

00:10:42.260 Isn't that a gift?

00:10:43.080 I mean, we're just waiting for the similar study on alcohol, but right now it's coffee.

00:10:48.520 So drink your coffee and steer clear of the booze because everybody says that one's bad

00:10:53.160 for you.

00:10:54.580 Um, okay.

00:10:55.600 So no one has been excluded and pushback on the theory that it's a burglary and also the

00:11:01.340 theory that they've moved away from the family.

00:11:04.440 And here we are two weeks and a day removed from the day they determined that Nancy was

00:11:11.420 missing.

00:11:12.040 Uh, yesterday was the two week anniversary, if you will, forgive the term of when she was

00:11:17.380 discovered missing.

00:11:18.640 It was overnight Sunday, Saturday into Sunday, January 31st into Sunday, February 1st.

00:11:26.140 And perhaps the most promising lead they have to go on right now, other than those porch

00:11:31.040 pictures of the perpetrator.

00:11:32.680 Well, there are two, which I want to talk to you about.

00:11:35.780 One, um, is the possibility that Nancy's nest camera retained other photographs, just like

00:11:44.640 it retained the photographs of porch man.

00:11:47.000 And Sheriff Notos gave an interview to the daily mail, which was eyeopening saying, uh, by

00:11:53.640 the way, he too pushed back, um, the thought that this is a burglary gone bad.

00:11:58.080 He, he said, again, this, this is a kidnapping.

00:12:00.380 The only thing we're really looking for was the motive, um, and that we don't know, but

00:12:05.780 did not seem to think this was some guy trying to burgle the house, which doesn't make any

00:12:10.560 sense anyway.

00:12:11.020 He had a backpack on his back that was stuffed to the gills that he didn't have some empty

00:12:16.040 bag.

00:12:16.320 Okay.

00:12:16.620 He might've had some Santa's sack inside that he was going to unveil once he walked in.

00:12:21.240 But do we really believe that?

00:12:23.280 Not a thing was taken.

00:12:24.600 If this was a burglary gone bad, wouldn't you at least get your loot?

00:12:27.800 How is your, you know, his loot was an 84 year old woman. 0.96

00:12:31.140 There is no evidence thus far, nor has Sheriff Notos even suggested otherwise that anything

00:12:37.040 was taken inside.

00:12:38.180 And in fact, Notos has been dumping on the idea that this was a burglary gone bad, which

00:12:42.500 he wouldn't have done if some massive thing of value was missing from inside the home.

00:12:49.000 Um, okay.

00:12:50.880 So he says, first of all, he gave a number to the daily mail that I hadn't heard before

00:12:55.480 400 law enforcement from the sheriff's department, FBI and other local.

00:13:01.720 And I think other agencies, cause we've heard customs and border patrol has been protection

00:13:06.040 has also been there scouring that desert landscape 400 to look for Nancy Guthrie. 0.67

00:13:13.180 I mean, that is, I don't even remember a law enforcement operation that had 400 combined federal and

00:13:20.620 local authorities, and they cannot find this woman.

00:13:24.180 I mean, think about that.

00:13:25.360 That guy, he looked like a doofus was shoveling the plantation, the, the, the vegetation on 0.99

00:13:33.540 the doorbell camera.

00:13:35.180 That guy has befuddled 400 law enforcement agents so far.

00:13:41.220 Um, maybe he's not a doofus.

00:13:43.480 What we think about him is at a minimum, he appears to have been a local because he came

00:13:49.900 on board that porch.

00:13:51.660 He seemed to know where to find the vegetation seems like it wasn't his first day on Nancy

00:13:56.420 Guthrie's porch.

00:13:57.920 I agree with law enforcement.

00:13:59.300 This was likely targeted and that he knew it was Nancy Guthrie and he knew that she was

00:14:03.380 Savannah's mother.

00:14:04.220 That's my guess, uh, based on all the reporting we've done.

00:14:07.860 And you tell me how this guy was able to avoid any cameras.

00:14:11.780 A lot of the cameras now we've learned did not work on the roads, on the main highways,

00:14:16.940 but you can't tell me all of them did not work.

00:14:19.020 Uh, it appears to me this guy took the local roads and therefore was likely a local guy

00:14:24.640 in knowing how to avoid cameras and so on as he escaped from this property.

00:14:30.100 So it does seem likely that he was a local.

00:14:33.060 If Harvey Levin is right and police are really taking those alleged ransom notes seriously,

00:14:38.560 um, then that would be more evidence.

00:14:41.160 Nancy's a local because those alleged ransom notes seemed possibly to come from a local

00:14:47.720 resident.

00:14:48.280 Why else would you send it to two local, um, Tucson stations in addition to TMZ and, um,

00:14:56.520 also reported that Nancy was being held within 12 hours, a 12 hour drive of Tucson, according

00:15:02.220 to TMZ again.

00:15:03.160 So in any event, um, that's where we are.

00:15:06.380 And, and on the subject of Sheriff Nanos and the latest reporting, um, this is what I wanted

00:15:11.820 to tell you.

00:15:13.120 He said that specialists in cloud-based video systems at Google are working feverishly to

00:15:23.060 extract more information from the cameras.

00:15:25.440 That's good to hear specialists in cloud-based video systems at Google are working feverishly

00:15:33.040 to extract more information from the cameras.

00:15:35.300 So it may not, it may be that the FBI doesn't have more images that it hasn't released to

00:15:41.920 us.

00:15:42.140 It may be they don't have more, but Google is searching for more and that we may still get

00:15:48.320 more.

00:15:48.860 He goes on to say, quote, I just hope they can scrape a camera shot down to the driveway.

00:15:55.440 To identify a vehicle because my goodness, you can't put a mask on a vehicle, right?

00:16:01.780 So that's very interesting from the sheriff that they do believe those, that nest camera

00:16:08.980 in the front and who knows, maybe even in the, in the back, he's been tight lipped about what

00:16:13.280 might've been around that back door.

00:16:15.500 Maybe they caught additional images.

00:16:18.160 And, you know, I've heard some speculate about why, why was that intruder so determined to

00:16:23.840 cover up the nest camera when he was covered head to toe, you know, and he's like staring

00:16:27.780 right into the camera as he shoves the vegetation, like who that's worried about the camera looking

00:16:32.360 at him would like, who would care because he already has a ski mask on and he's done his

00:16:38.380 best to camouflage his identity.

00:16:40.180 Well, what if it was that he knew he'd likely be taking Nancy out the front door because his

00:16:44.940 car was there.

00:16:45.620 And he didn't want the pictures of Nancy being stolen to be on that nest cam.

00:16:52.740 Maybe that was his main motivation in covering up the nest cam.

00:16:56.600 We know that, well, we believe we know that she came out the front door because of the blood

00:17:00.620 droplets.

00:17:01.780 Um, that's an interesting thought that this guy, he understood she was coming out the front

00:17:09.340 door.

00:17:09.600 That's why he had to cover up those, that camera.

00:17:13.080 And if the FBI has pictures of Nancy alive, if Google can uncover pictures of Nancy walking

00:17:20.660 out of that front door of her own free will, I mean, obviously under duress and possibly

00:17:26.340 under the threat of being shot.

00:17:28.840 We know that the intruder had a gun, but that's still something to know that she was at least

00:17:33.000 alive when she exited, which remains a question at least right now without the videotape.

00:17:38.460 So say a prayer for the geniuses at Google to find that needle in the haystack tape.

00:17:46.780 You know, we don't know when he successfully got the nest camera off of its cradle.

00:17:51.080 We do, we know he eventually did it because it's gone.

00:17:54.880 And the sheriff says, we don't have it.

00:17:56.700 So somebody took it.

00:17:58.860 My own bet is he tried to get the front one off.

00:18:01.020 He tried to camouflage the front.

00:18:02.240 He probably then went around to the back and he was able to get in the back door.

00:18:06.040 And I believe that there was forced entry there based on Banfield's reporting.

00:18:09.340 Now it's probably back there that he figured out it's actually pretty simple to get that

00:18:12.620 nest cam off of its cradle.

00:18:14.200 And once he figured out that one, he probably took the front one down probably before he

00:18:19.220 came through it with Nancy is my guess, which means it would have been up for a little bit

00:18:23.360 longer.

00:18:23.680 And there, there might've been additional photographs that could be quite helpful.

00:18:27.180 Again, the sheriff says the specialists in cloud-based video systems at Google are quote,

00:18:32.900 working feverishly to extract more info.

00:18:35.940 I bet they are.

00:18:37.020 And you couldn't ask for a better team, honestly.

00:18:39.140 And on the front of a better team, I, my reporting is that the FBI remains frustrated at the fact

00:18:48.740 that they're not getting the first crack at the DNA analysis.

00:18:52.200 And that leads me to the glove or gloves, plural, that were found two miles away from Nancy Guthrie's

00:19:01.060 home.

00:19:01.560 I believe these are the two gloves that the New York Post was present for the discovery of

00:19:05.600 that look identical to the gloves used by the perpetrator.

00:19:10.780 Well, the FBI did something extraordinary over the weekend and it put out a statement.

00:19:15.500 You know, we've talked about this in the Charlie Kirk investigation with Tyler Robinson

00:19:19.940 and how frustrated people are that the FBI hasn't been saying more.

00:19:23.800 And I said to the audience, the FBI doesn't, they don't update you on cases.

00:19:27.720 They, they let you sit and stew with nothing.

00:19:31.560 So it's very rare for them to put out statements on their investigation.

00:19:35.360 I believe the reason they're making an exception here is because we have a missing person who

00:19:39.320 might still be alive and she's believed to be in bad health and could be in, in a dire

00:19:45.480 situation right now.

00:19:46.540 So they're doing everything they can to keep people interested in the case and keep them

00:19:52.100 updated on where things are.

00:19:53.340 And they put out a statement on two gloves.

00:19:57.340 Okay.

00:19:57.600 They, they've, they've all now said that the Fox news report, that there was a glove inside

00:20:02.600 of Nancy Guthrie's house is wrong.

00:20:04.620 We told you that on Friday, but, but it is true that they recovered many, many gloves in

00:20:10.540 searching the area around Nancy's house.

00:20:12.320 But the two that they're most interested in right now are the two that the New York Post

00:20:16.640 was there on the ride along for, or at least following law enforcement.

00:20:19.760 I'm not exactly sure how they were there when they found it.

00:20:22.800 And the FBI has released a statement on the analysis of those two gloves, which is not

00:20:27.540 being done by the FBI.

00:20:29.020 It's being done by the Florida lab.

00:20:30.880 And you remember from last week, there's been some consternation over that.

00:20:34.820 Why aren't we using Quantico, which is the, the standard, the gold standard for lab analysis.

00:20:40.260 Why are we using a Florida private lab that hopes and prays it will be certified as a reputable

00:20:46.300 lab by the FBI lab at Quantico?

00:20:48.580 Like why wouldn't you go to the lab that is like the gold standard?

00:20:52.900 No offense to the Florida lab.

00:20:54.540 It's just nothing appears to be quite as talented and reliable as Quantico.

00:20:59.060 And I certainly think the FBI feels that way.

00:21:01.600 Here's the statement.

00:21:02.500 The gloves found approximately two miles from the Guthrie residence in a field near the

00:21:07.440 side of the road were packaged up by PCOS, that's Pima County Office of the Sheriff, and

00:21:14.120 sent overnight on 2-12, which was Thursday night.

00:21:18.640 And they arrived at their private lab in Florida on 2-13, which was Friday.

00:21:23.800 The FBI received preliminary results yesterday on 2-14.

00:21:28.700 So they got the results on Saturday.

00:21:30.040 This statement obviously came out on Sunday.

00:21:32.680 And we are awaiting quality control and official confirmation today before putting unknown male

00:21:40.980 profile into CODIS.

00:21:42.900 That's their national database unique to the Bureau.

00:21:46.120 So they say it's a man.

00:21:48.420 Okay, that's something we didn't know.

00:21:50.320 Those are, it was a man who was wearing those gloves, and those gloves do have DNA on them.

00:21:54.480 And the analysis was performed by the Florida lab.

00:21:57.580 And before the FBI uploads the results to CODIS, their national database that shows you all

00:22:02.500 sorts of bad guys who are in there or suspected bad guys, you can take DNA now from people who

00:22:07.420 are arrested.

00:22:08.560 And of course, those who are convicted.

00:22:11.120 They're awaiting quality control and official confirmation before they upload the results

00:22:15.940 into CODIS.

00:22:16.640 Then they write, the process typically takes 24 hours from when the Bureau receives them.

00:22:23.960 And again, they said they got the preliminary results on Valentine's Day, Saturday, and it

00:22:28.840 takes 24 hours from when they receive them to do this quality control.

00:22:35.860 So ideally, at some point yesterday, they were able to do the quality control and upload it.

00:22:41.140 They write, investigators collected approximately 16 gloves in various areas near the house.

00:22:47.380 Most of them were searcher's gloves that they discarded in various areas when they searched

00:22:53.400 the vicinity.

00:22:55.040 The one with the DNA profile recovered is different and appears to match the gloves of the subject

00:23:02.520 in the surveillance video.

00:23:04.520 The wording of this is not perfect.

00:23:07.160 The one with the DNA profile recovered.

00:23:09.860 Now, we don't know if what they mean is the one pair recovered two miles from her home

00:23:17.060 in a field is different from all these 16 others or 15 others in that it appears to match

00:23:23.460 the gloves of the subject, or if they mean one of the two gloves that we recovered in the

00:23:28.240 field has DNA.

00:23:30.240 Either way, it's kind of the same thing.

00:23:32.540 They're saying that pair of gloves discovered in the field is much more interesting to us.

00:23:38.440 They do appear to match in type, in look, in brand perhaps, the ones that the actual perpetrator

00:23:48.020 was wearing.

00:23:49.340 And they're saying most of these other gloves are just discarded by searchers.

00:23:53.100 And then they finish by saying the FBI has and will continue to provide assistance on whatever

00:23:57.820 timeline is provided to us.

00:23:59.180 Again, they're not running hurt on this, and they're not getting the first crack at the

00:24:03.080 DNA analysis or possibly any crack at the DNA analysis.

00:24:07.740 They're just waiting for the quality control on the DNA analysis, and then they're going

00:24:12.300 to upload it into CODIS, which is the database of offenders to see if it's a match.

00:24:17.960 And then presumably, they will also cross-reference to the DNA.

00:24:21.760 This is the other most promising lead that was found in the Guthrie home, and the sheriff

00:24:26.100 has told us now that they are looking, they have found DNA inside Nancy's house that does

00:24:35.720 not match anyone, that does not match Nancy and does not match, quote, those in close contact

00:24:43.260 to Nancy.

00:24:44.980 All right?

00:24:45.200 So they've collected that inside of Nancy's house, and that is now being analyzed.

00:24:51.520 So they're trying to get a name on that stuff.

00:24:54.180 It will presumably be uploaded to CODIS, as will the DNA from these gloves.

00:24:59.020 And whoa, we're in business if we have a match from somebody who was inside the Guthrie house

00:25:03.360 and had those gloves on.

00:25:05.240 Boom.

00:25:05.840 Bob's your uncle.

00:25:06.740 That's what they're looking for, among other things.

00:25:10.380 That would be great if they could find that.

00:25:13.220 Now, what will they do if there's not a direct hit in CODIS?

00:25:18.080 Well, they may do one of a couple things.

00:25:22.640 They may get a hit, first of all, from some distant, distant relative of somebody who is

00:25:28.600 in CODIS.

00:25:29.460 That's possible.

00:25:30.660 And that is how they caught Brian Kohlberger.

00:25:34.460 He wasn't in CODIS, and nobody he knew was in CODIS.

00:25:37.160 But his relative was in the private DNA data banks that are out there, like, I think it

00:25:48.240 was Ancestry.com.

00:25:49.800 And normally, they are not allowed, the feds, to look in those, to do DNA matching against

00:25:58.900 those.

00:25:59.160 Normally, they're supposed to stick to CODIS.

00:26:02.260 There is a button you can check when you upload your DNA into 23andMe.

00:26:06.680 Well, they're gone now.

00:26:07.640 But Ancestry.com or a company like that saying, I'm fine if you put me in the law enforcement

00:26:12.160 database.

00:26:13.060 Like, if one of my relatives turns out to be a criminal, I don't mind if you catch him off

00:26:16.240 of my DNA.

00:26:16.700 That's, I think, what I would do.

00:26:19.360 But in any event, I'm not in there.

00:26:22.380 And I don't know.

00:26:22.980 It's an interesting question.

00:26:24.020 Like, they're asking all the gardeners and so on to give DNA.

00:26:28.560 And I think if I were, like, in this situation where I just happened to be in the home of

00:26:33.260 somebody who's obviously a victim of a crime, and they said, can I please have your DNA?

00:26:36.820 I think I'd give it.

00:26:37.880 But I'm not sure.

00:26:38.700 I'm not so big on, like, just giving my DNA over.

00:26:41.660 I don't know.

00:26:42.040 How do you feel?

00:26:43.260 Like, if they were just, like, canvassing house after house saying, can I have your DNA?

00:26:46.340 I think I'd say no.

00:26:48.400 So you can't assume the worst when somebody says, I'm not giving my DNA, or when they

00:26:54.540 say, I'm not uploading my DNA, even though I'm doing Ancestry.com, to be available more

00:27:02.620 widely to feds investigating a crime.

00:27:05.880 However, we learned in Kohlberger, this became a big controversy, that, remember, the defense

00:27:12.480 made a big deal out of this, that apparently it's just policy, it's just a policy, it's

00:27:19.260 not a law, with these private databases that they don't share with the FBI.

00:27:25.980 But, like, in an emergency, they might, or the FBI might just do it, because there's not

00:27:31.320 a law stopping them.

00:27:32.500 And our understanding to this day is that that is what they did.

00:27:37.960 They got a hit on a relative of Kohlberger, or they didn't get a hit, and then they used

00:27:46.520 the other database, and they got a hit that basically brought them to Brian Kohlberger's

00:27:50.380 dad.

00:27:50.880 And then, what they did once they got the dad, is they do genetic genealogy, and they

00:27:57.820 bring in somebody like CeCe, goddess of this technology, where, let's say they find a relative 1.00

00:28:05.040 who is, like, 16 family members removed from the perp, and they can see it's got, like,

00:28:09.420 a very, very distant relation to the perpetrator of the crime.

00:28:13.520 Then you bring in a CeCe Moore, who starts to do a family tree.

00:28:18.780 Like, you know how some people do their family trees?

00:28:21.360 And it's like, this is the mom, this is the dad, this is the child, this is the offspring,

00:28:24.460 this is where they're from, this is who they married, here are the death announcements.

00:28:28.840 Okay, here, he's ruled out, he died, and so on, until you get to who lives in the Idaho

00:28:34.660 area around the date this crime happened, or now in the Nancy case, who lives in the Tucson

00:28:39.940 area around the date of January 31st, February 1st, and that's how you start zeroing in on a

00:28:44.860 suspect.

00:28:45.940 CeCe Moore's been on our show, we've talked to her multiple times.

00:28:48.560 She's a genius.

00:28:50.080 And she actually made a comment about this limitation on databases and, like, what technically

00:28:59.740 they're allowed to access.

00:29:01.740 And here's what she said about what she'd be doing if she were Savannah Guthrie.

00:29:07.200 She spoke to Brian Enten the other day, SOT3.

00:29:10.620 Despite the fact that over 50 million people have taken direct consumer DNA tests, for law

00:29:16.460 enforcement cases, we are limited to the two or three smallest databases, which is less

00:29:22.060 than 2 million people.

00:29:23.420 And I'm hearing a lot of misconceptions out there.

00:29:25.520 People are saying they can use Ancestry.

00:29:27.640 They can use 23andMe.

00:29:29.060 That is not true.

00:29:30.060 Ancestry, 23andMe, and MyHeritage, the three largest consumer DNA databases, have barred law

00:29:36.560 enforcement's use.

00:29:37.940 And there are two well-known databases, GEDmatch and FamilyTreeDNA, that have agreed to work

00:29:44.080 with law enforcement.

00:29:45.000 And then there's a new nonprofit called DNA Justice that's much smaller, but can also be

00:29:49.980 used.

00:29:50.300 And so those are the ones that they will have to work in unless they can serve a successful

00:29:57.500 warrant on the larger databases.

00:30:01.840 Now, if I was Savannah Guthrie and her family, I would be begging management at Ancestry, 23andMe,

00:30:08.000 and MyHeritage to allow the genetic genealogy profile to be compared in there because it would

00:30:13.700 be a much more straightforward and quicker identification that way.

00:30:18.920 But so far, they've been very, very resistant to that, even though studies have shown that

00:30:24.320 91% of the public is in favor of using genetic genealogy to identify this type of criminal.

00:30:32.220 Okay.

00:30:32.880 So that's back to what we were telling you, which is they are supposed to use the public

00:30:37.800 databases, but happen to know that if the case is extreme enough, they will move heaven

00:30:44.340 on earth to get into the more commercial databases that have way more information in them.

00:30:50.880 And she's saying if she were Savannah, she'd be demanding or begging the private databases

00:30:56.580 to cooperate and pushing the feds to get a warrant such that they can access those databases.

00:31:02.580 So hopefully they're doing that on all of this DNA.

00:31:06.640 Now, Cece actually went on to describe how if the perpetrator here is Hispanic, and he may

00:31:13.100 be, you know, we're not able to really tell with that ski mask on, but you certainly can't

00:31:18.920 rule it out.

00:31:19.620 You know, you can see that it's not an African-American man.

00:31:22.160 You can see that, I think you can see that it's not an Asian man, but it looks to me to 1.00

00:31:26.600 either be a white man or Hispanic man.

00:31:29.300 Even some people have disputed it's a man because he does look like he's wearing eyeliner, but

00:31:33.180 that could just be a function of the bizarre ring camera shot.

00:31:36.320 In any event, here's what she had to say if the perpetrator is Hispanic.

00:31:39.180 Could they use it in a case like this?

00:31:42.460 Oh, absolutely.

00:31:43.460 In fact, I've been waiting for that to happen, just hoping that there would be DNA found that

00:31:49.320 was not tied to any of the known individuals from the home, because that will solve the

00:31:54.740 case if nothing else does.

00:31:56.180 It's just a matter of time then.

00:31:58.040 What is going to determine how long that takes is what population group that person is from.

00:32:05.220 If their ancestry is from Latin America and they have recent immigrant ancestors, it'll 0.95

00:32:11.180 be much more difficult to identify that individual, so it could take a lot longer.

00:32:15.540 We have a lot of those Hispanic cases, and they tend to take weeks, months, or years compared

00:32:22.120 to somebody who has deep roots in the United States and primarily Northwest European ancestry.

00:32:27.160 So that's unfortunate, because there's a very high likelihood this person is Hispanic, just 1.00

00:32:34.600 given the region of the country that it's in, a very high percentage of Hispanics in Tucson,

00:32:39.200 given its proximity to the southern border.

00:32:41.640 And the guy on the porch does look like he might be Hispanic.

00:32:44.940 So it's unfortunate.

00:32:46.520 It'll be harder, but it's not impossible.

00:32:48.900 And I'm sure CeCe Moore will be brought in or somebody just like her if they manage to 1.00

00:32:52.980 get it.

00:32:53.580 I mean, she's a national treasure.

00:32:55.140 I thank God all the time that CeCe Moore is a young woman. 0.98

00:32:58.840 She's not 90 and hopefully will be around for decades more to help fight crime. 0.97

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00:34:58.720 to bring her in.

00:35:00.920 And, you know, they've done this time and time again.

00:35:02.960 They did it with the Golden State Killer.

00:35:04.920 They draw these elaborate family trees around you.

00:35:08.000 And even if they can get DNA telling them that this person is of a certain ethnic background,

00:35:16.600 like sometimes you're not in CODIS, but they can tell stuff from your DNA about like what

00:35:22.080 you might look like, that can be super helpful.

00:35:25.280 Sketch artists can work off of that.

00:35:28.140 And NBC did a whole feature on this where they came up with a mugshot for Andrea Canning 1.00

00:35:33.560 just based off of like the DNA that didn't show it was Andrea Canning.

00:35:37.100 It's not like she's in CODIS.

00:35:40.820 And it was very good.

00:35:42.560 It was a very solid portrait of her.

00:35:44.280 So the DNA, even without a match, could be potentially helpful.

00:35:48.300 But you'd have to know it's the perpetrators.

00:35:50.540 You know, just DNA off of the gloves is not that interesting.

00:35:53.280 It has to match something that tells us it came from the crime scene.

00:35:57.420 And we're not there.

00:35:58.880 I wanted to round back just for a second on the search for suspects.

00:36:03.560 Again, these three people from Friday night, not ruled out, but Winter reports they're

00:36:10.780 moving on.

00:36:12.060 But he also reported they're leaning away from the family members and my own reporting

00:36:15.860 conflicts with that.

00:36:16.680 On the subject of the brother-in-law, Tommaso Sioni, who's married to Annie Guthrie, Savannah's

00:36:25.160 sister, Nados, in his interview with the Daily Mail, said the following, nobody has been cleared,

00:36:32.220 including the workers at Guthrie's home, the people who were recently the subject of the

00:36:36.540 two separate SWAT raids, and presumably family members, writes the Daily Mail.

00:36:41.300 Now, this is a quote.

00:36:43.020 I stay in touch with them, mostly Savannah.

00:36:44.920 I've not been in touch with Tommaso or Annie too much.

00:36:48.320 I have talked to them a little bit, but I know the investigators are in touch with them.

00:36:52.380 But I've really told people, this is a lot of stress.

00:36:55.360 If he, Tommaso Sioni, is guilty, if he's the one who did it, and we're able to prove that,

00:37:01.760 then at that time, jump on it.

00:37:03.980 But don't come out of nowhere with this, he writes.

00:37:06.700 I understand the pundits are out there.

00:37:08.700 They're going to say, well, he's the last one to see her alive.

00:37:11.900 We understand that stuff.

00:37:13.220 But my goodness, you're putting a mark on somebody who could be completely innocent.

00:37:17.700 And more important than that, he's family.

00:37:20.960 It's also why, writes the Daily Mail, Nados said, he will not specify who was with Nancy

00:37:25.580 when she was driven home from Sioni and Annie Guthrie's home after going to their house,

00:37:31.600 which is about 10 minutes away for dinner and a game night.

00:37:34.520 Listen to this.

00:37:35.160 Quote, we know who it is, meaning who drove Nancy home.

00:37:41.320 Hello, we do too, because you told us, you told the New York Times that it was Tommaso.

00:37:48.160 But now here he is saying, quote, we know who it is.

00:37:51.680 But when we saw everybody was attacking everybody and saying it's this, we just thought, you

00:37:57.300 know what?

00:37:58.100 We'll say it was family.

00:37:59.840 Well, that could have worked perfectly, Sheriff, if only you hadn't gone on the record with

00:38:04.820 the New York Times the day before and said it was Tommaso.

00:38:08.880 This is like, I'm sorry, but this is where you get a little keystone-y.

00:38:13.620 Nados said the entire Guthrie family has been, quote, nothing but cooperative, end quote, at

00:38:18.540 every turn, despite what for them is a nightmare without end.

00:38:21.920 Quote, everything we've asked for, they've given us.

00:38:24.360 They're in such a state of grief, but they're also, you know, I think they're a little weary

00:38:28.620 too of what's been going on and being said about them, end quote.

00:38:32.960 Nados will also not reveal if there were any signs of forced entry nor give details as to

00:38:37.800 whether Nancy was taken out the back or front door to what presumably was a waiting vehicle.

00:38:43.360 Well, I mean, this is just unbelievable.

00:38:45.740 Like, how do you expect to get away with that, Sheriff?

00:38:49.320 You went on the record with the New York Times and said it was Tommaso, and now you want

00:38:53.720 us to just forget that and just, quote, go with family?

00:38:57.000 And then you tell the Daily Mail that this is exactly why you changed it to family, which

00:39:02.940 we only suspected before.

00:39:04.700 We didn't know for sure whether you were just confused about it.

00:39:07.940 But now we know for sure you have no confusion, and you changed it because you felt bad for Tommaso.

00:39:12.200 So, okay.

00:39:14.340 We all feel bad for Tommaso if he's innocent in all of this, but until you guys tell us

00:39:19.360 he's ruled out, he's on the table.

00:39:22.040 And that's what we're being told by other law enforcement as well.

00:39:25.380 I mean, this is how an investigation goes.

00:39:28.600 And he was the last person seen with her.

00:39:30.580 And obviously, you always look at family when you're trying to rule out what may have happened,

00:39:34.620 especially in this case, to an 84-year-old woman who was kidnapped and possibly killed.

00:39:39.140 And it's not, as we've been saying, like a baby where there's a market for this type

00:39:44.500 of person if they, you know, wind up the victim of a kidnapper.

00:39:49.940 Okay.

00:39:50.860 Law enforcement also saying, I heard the number now, that they've received 40,000 tips.

00:39:58.800 40,000.

00:40:00.280 I mean, that's huge.

00:40:02.920 And Sheriff Nonno is saying publicly now that there will be a lot of police activity every

00:40:08.160 day in this case.

00:40:10.500 There was a report over the weekend that the sheriff, that the Pima County Sheriff's Department

00:40:15.480 was using helicopters with the so-called signal sniffers underneath the tracks to possibly

00:40:22.880 ferret out any pacemaker signals coming from down below.

00:40:27.700 Now, I don't know what their capability is.

00:40:30.800 We know that the actual pacemaker in Nancy Guthrie will not connect with its iPhone if

00:40:35.480 it's more, we've heard, between 10 and 30 feet away from her.

00:40:39.460 Maybe these signal sniffers have higher sensitivity and can connect farther from that.

00:40:46.100 Because I can't get within 30 feet in a helicopter from somebody's house.

00:40:49.500 I think that would be scaring a lot of residents.

00:40:51.580 Um, so it's got to be more sensitive than that, but great technology if, if they can

00:40:57.060 use it.

00:40:57.560 I mean, I only wish that it had been used every day since the day she went missing ubiquitously

00:41:03.340 because it seems a little late to be trying that.

00:41:06.220 We are told that the pacemaker signal will go on even post-mortem.

00:41:11.380 It will continue to transmit.

00:41:13.320 So in other words, if you got Nancy's iPhone within 30 feet of her right now, no matter where

00:41:17.760 she is dead or alive, her pacemaker would still be signaling.

00:41:21.980 Uh, so hopefully that'll provide some help.

00:41:25.340 I mean, who knows?

00:41:25.980 Again, the two best leads right now are the DNA that was inside the home that's being analyzed

00:41:31.300 says the sheriff, uh, and the, the pictures from the guy on the porch and still waiting

00:41:37.020 for somebody to call in and say who that is.

00:41:39.200 They're going through these 40,000 tips, sometimes as many as 5,000 tips a day, which is a lot.

00:41:44.900 Okay.

00:41:46.420 Last but not least, Savannah, uh, she issued a, an Instagram post on Sunday.

00:41:53.920 He was the most recent communication.

00:41:56.940 And, um, this one seemed as close as we've had to the real Savannah, as opposed to like

00:42:04.520 very carefully curated messaging.

00:42:07.100 But I think, let's be honest, this one was carefully curated too.

00:42:10.040 There's no way given the stakes here, she would just be winging it.

00:42:12.600 I wouldn't either be doing exactly what the FBI told me to do.

00:42:16.740 But anyway, you tell me, here she is, um, with her message on Sunday.

00:42:24.420 I wanted to come on and, um, it's been two weeks since our mom was taken.

00:42:32.560 And I just wanted to come on and say that, um, we still have hope and we still believe.

00:42:46.780 And I wanted to say to whoever has her or knows where she is, that it's never too late.

00:43:05.520 And it is never too late to do the right thing.

00:43:18.460 Um, and we are here and we believe, and we believe in the essential goodness of every human being.

00:43:34.960 And it's never too late.

00:43:36.300 Oh, I feel for her.

00:43:43.540 I feel for her family.

00:43:44.840 Um, you can see the tears in her eyes.

00:43:47.600 You can see just the wear and tear on her emotionally.

00:43:50.840 You know, you can see her, her sad eyes.

00:43:55.620 And I mean, look, there's no love lost between yours truly and NBC, as you know, but when you picture Savannah Guthrie, you picture her smiling.

00:44:04.640 You're like, it's the today show thing.

00:44:05.900 That's by design.

00:44:07.200 But this has just been such a dramatic turn just in the Savannah that we all know from television.

00:44:14.100 You know, there's not a, not an iota in there of joy or happiness.

00:44:19.680 Not right now.

00:44:20.880 How could there be when you don't know what's happened to your mom, when you're getting to the point where many are starting to presume she's, she's dead.

00:44:27.760 She's been murdered or allowed to die in the, in the, you know, in captivity.

00:44:33.720 But it definitely seems like she's speaking to the abductor, you know, trying to say like, almost like I, I, I, I forgive you.

00:44:44.500 She didn't say that, but like, I believe there's goodness in you.

00:44:48.800 Um, please consider giving her back to me, like begging.

00:44:52.920 It's basically, she's, she's asking for mercy, uh, and saying kind of, I don't think you're evil.

00:44:59.360 Please give me my mom back.

00:45:00.840 You know, please, you could, you could still do the right thing.

00:45:03.940 Like I still believe in, in human goodness.

00:45:06.760 And, and this could be potentially very effective if indeed her mother's in the custody of a Savannah Guthrie stalker, you know, which she could be.

00:45:17.380 That is still very much a possible lane.

00:45:20.200 I mean, you've got the family member lane.

00:45:22.520 Is it Tommaso?

00:45:23.400 Is it somebody else in the family?

00:45:24.820 You've got the stalker lane.

00:45:26.680 Is it somebody who is obsessed with Savannah?

00:45:30.220 You've got the burglary or general, like air, like Tucson thief lane.

00:45:35.840 Is somebody there who was like looking to steal or do something else and wound up, you know, just getting over his skis and panicked and took Nancy Guthrie.

00:45:44.440 Um, you've got the disgruntled landscaper.

00:45:48.980 She didn't tip. 1.00

00:45:49.900 They had a spat lane, you know, like revenge, but not against Savannah, against Nancy. 0.84

00:45:55.560 But if we're in lane number two, the Savannah stalker lane, that's a very effective message.

00:46:03.560 That's like her, you know, direct to cam without the brother and sister, a little makeup on saying, I believe you might be a good person.

00:46:15.220 And maybe you just got confused and got a little panicked and it's not too late for you.

00:46:21.100 You know, it's not, it's not too late for you to do what's right.

00:46:24.120 I still have hope.

00:46:25.760 I still have belief, you know, an emotional connection, if you will, where she says it, I don't know, I'm just pulling up.

00:46:35.460 It's been two weeks and our mom was taken.

00:46:38.240 Still have hope, still believe whoever has her or knows where she is.

00:46:42.880 So appealing not only to the abductor, but to those who, because you, you know, as well as I do, it's not just the abductor who knows where Nancy Guthrie is.

00:46:51.660 Absolutely not.

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00:50:57.860 What Savannah Guthrie needs right now, what Nancy Guthrie needs right now,

00:51:06.620 is the people of Arizona and beyond to stay on this case and story.

00:51:14.240 The last thing the family needs is for the media to pack up its tents, because they will.

00:51:21.200 Trust me, it never goes on forever.

00:51:26.520 The last thing they need is for them to pack up their tents, put away their stick mics,

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00:51:35.360 Because it will be the public that drives tips in this case, leads in this case,

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00:51:49.100 They've got a lot of cases to solve.

00:51:50.840 They've got a lot of even bigger cases.

00:51:53.360 Sadly, kidnappings, murders, rapes.

00:51:56.640 That's crime in the United States, and they will not stay on this forever.

00:52:01.400 And this is something that this twit reporter over at MSNBC needs to understand. 0.99

00:52:09.860 I've never heard of this fucker before, but I'm going to play you this person's soundbite. 0.99

00:52:15.000 This is the new MSNOW, and it's reporter Alex Tabbit over the weekend. 0.99

00:52:22.600 Sought for.

00:52:23.020 What's also interesting about what happened Friday evening and Saturday morning is not

00:52:30.020 just what we know, but also the number of false reports that came out over that time span.

00:52:37.380 All of that speaks to an interesting and somewhat dystopian dynamic on the ground here, Jackie.

00:52:44.260 And that is that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of members of the local, national,

00:52:49.540 and international media here.

00:52:51.960 But there are also hundreds of influencers.

00:52:55.300 And in these moments of developments in this story, they will go live to their hundreds,

00:53:01.820 if not thousands, if not tens of thousands of viewers, and I will overhear them just say

00:53:08.240 things.

00:53:09.240 Things that are not based in fact.

00:53:11.280 Things that are not based in reality or have been checked with the local authorities.

00:53:17.480 See how some of these comments that are made, without regard to the fact that a woman's

00:53:23.680 life potentially hangs in the balance here, how those little comments snowball into this

00:53:30.660 misinformation and disinformation.

00:53:32.740 Oh, my God.

00:53:33.940 Of all networks to be lecturing us on mis and disinformation.

00:53:37.760 Why don't you talk to your big boss, Rachel Maddow, and all the rest of the primetime lineup about

00:53:44.200 Russia, Russia, Russia?

00:53:47.500 You want to talk about falling down on the job?

00:53:49.560 As he's speaking in the lower third on the channel, coming up next, exclusive interview

00:53:54.340 with Doug Emhoff.

00:53:55.620 What did you do the first time you had a big exclusive with Doug Emhoff?

00:53:59.420 Why don't you ask Joe Scarborough?

00:54:00.900 He didn't ask him about the allegations that he likes to beat women at all. 0.93

00:54:05.880 OK, so we're not going to be taking lessons from you, twit reporter, on how to handle a 0.84

00:54:12.600 news story. 1.00

00:54:13.800 And the nerve, the nerve of this asshole to try to chide the influencers and the podcasters 0.99

00:54:20.060 who are out there trying to cover this case into doing it more like MSNBC or not doing 0.99

00:54:25.060 it at all.

00:54:26.060 It's thanks to them that we have half the interest in this case.

00:54:30.140 They're the ones who are following around law enforcement.

00:54:33.800 Yes, and by the way, most of them have been extremely careful about not broadcasting the

00:54:38.620 specific locations of the law enforcement operations when they're executing on these

00:54:43.020 warrants because they understand that could give a tip off to the bad guys.

00:54:46.720 They're just looking for content and wanting to help solve this case.

00:54:50.720 There are responsible reporters.

00:54:52.700 I would include this show among them who listen to these influencers all day and night and take

00:54:59.380 from them what we think is valuable, discern what is appropriate to report, and make judgment

00:55:05.600 calls on what we're going to broadcast to the audience.

00:55:07.480 But they've been invaluable to us.

00:55:09.400 And rather than dumping all over them because you think you have all the answers at MSNOW, you

00:55:14.640 might open up your eyes and ears and take a listen to what they're reporting, interviewing

00:55:19.460 neighbors, going to locations that the networks have not gone, following up on the locations where

00:55:27.360 we've seen police activity to try to ask the people involved, what did law enforcement ask you?

00:55:32.760 What did they say to you?

00:55:34.000 And let me tell you, there's not a family in America with a missing loved one that wouldn't

00:55:39.240 give their eye teeth to have this same influencer crew show up on their back door and get interested 0.91

00:55:46.900 in their cases.

00:55:48.500 How dare you try to discourage them?

00:55:51.060 Attention is exactly what is needed in the case of any missing person.

00:55:56.840 You have it all wrong. 1.00

00:55:58.420 You're an idiot. 1.00

00:55:59.980 And by the way, this guy, we looked him up to see what's his background. 1.00

00:56:03.720 Like, why does he think he's in such a position to lecture all the reporters on how this needs

00:56:08.600 to be done?

00:56:09.160 Well, here it is.

00:56:10.160 He has previously freelanced for PBS.

00:56:14.760 Oh, okay.

00:56:15.820 So you couldn't even get hired by PBS in a real job?

00:56:19.120 And not just PBS, just PBS NewsHour, one property over there.

00:56:23.620 And then there was his internship for CBS, but not even CBS News, CBS Interactive, whatever

00:56:32.300 the hell that is.

00:56:33.160 And then a stint with ARK Media, which I've never heard of, and I don't even know if it's

00:56:39.640 a real thing, from his LinkedIn reporter, political reporter, and documentary journalist.

00:56:46.420 Really?

00:56:46.800 What'd you do?

00:56:47.620 I don't see anything.

00:56:49.320 Writer, TV presenter.

00:56:51.760 Are you from the UK?

00:56:52.780 Because over here, we don't use that term.

00:56:54.800 And social media producer.

00:56:56.700 Oh, I see.

00:56:58.080 So you manage somebody's X account or Instagram or did your own little reports on there.

00:57:04.360 Who doesn't believe good journalism should be constrained by medium?

00:57:09.140 Okay.

00:57:09.740 What I think you mean is doesn't believe in good journalism, period.

00:57:14.080 That's my takeaway, having watched you.

00:57:16.860 New Yorker with Spanish and Lebanese heritage.

00:57:20.040 Oh, it's important.

00:57:21.020 That's what I listed in my bio, too.

00:57:22.700 Irish and Italian heritage, by the way, you should know.

00:57:26.040 Mostly European.

00:57:27.520 Okay.

00:57:27.740 Like, who lists their heritage in their bio as a reporter?

00:57:34.440 Then he writes, calm in chaotic breaking news environments and always hungry for a scoop.

00:57:40.900 Well, that's clearly not the case.

00:57:42.300 Because if you were always hungry for a scoop, you would be listening to these on-the-ground,

00:57:46.860 intrepid influencers who you so disdain and trying to figure out whether they might actually

00:57:53.980 have something that you don't have.

00:57:56.100 You don't have to take it all.

00:57:57.340 I'm not backing everything they've done.

00:57:59.540 But we listen all day to these people.

00:58:03.100 We follow them on X.

00:58:04.280 We follow them on YouTube.

00:58:05.800 And we decide what rises to the level that it could make it on The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:58:09.720 And we've cited many of them by name and have absolutely no qualms about doing it.

00:58:15.060 We actually are seasoned reporters here, not just me, but my team as well, and know the

00:58:19.960 difference between good reporting and bad.

00:58:21.520 And don't consider ourselves above anybody.

00:58:24.820 If you have good reporting and we can shore it up, it'll make it onto The MK Show.

00:58:29.520 And if it turns out to be wrong, we'll correct that with our audience.

00:58:31.940 But this is just another example of the elitists who are out there still thinking they're the

00:58:36.520 gatekeepers in news and desperate to shame the new medium out of existence.

00:58:42.640 Instead of saying, thank God, thank God that in a case of a missing person, you've got all

00:58:49.260 of these people who, by the way, young people are almost exclusively following social media

00:58:54.640 and podcasters.

00:58:55.780 They're not watching MS now.

00:58:57.760 You literally have to be over 75 years old to watch that according to the numbers.

00:59:01.780 So the odds are somebody young is going to be who knows this person on the porch.

00:59:07.660 He's not 80.

00:59:09.160 He seems to be probably in his 30s.

00:59:12.100 How are you going to reach them?

00:59:13.460 Through influencers, through YouTube, through social media.

00:59:17.180 So in any event, it's just like, it's really stunning to me the snobbery of someone who did

00:59:23.480 an internship for CBS Interactive on what you can and cannot report and from whom you can

00:59:32.400 and cannot get your news.

00:59:34.780 Hashtag part of the problem, Alex.

00:59:38.040 All right.

00:59:38.680 We will be back on the air with a full show tomorrow, Tuesday, which will include an update

00:59:44.260 on this case.

00:59:44.880 But we're going to do a lot of other news tomorrow as well.

00:59:46.720 And then on Wednesday, we actually are preparing an in-depth report on Epstein and all that's

00:59:51.980 been learned, which is turning out to be very interesting.

00:59:55.260 I think you'll enjoy that as well.

00:59:57.560 And in the meantime, thank you for tuning in.

01:00:00.240 And we'll talk to you tomorrow.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - February 16, 2026

What Authorities REALLY Believe Happened to Nancy Guthrie, DNA Updates, and Savannah's Latest Heart-Wrenching Plea ｜ Ep. 1253

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