What Authorities REALLY Believe Happened to Nancy Guthrie, DNA Updates, and Savannah's Latest Heart-Wrenching Plea ｜ Ep. 1253
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On today's show, Megyn talks about the latest in the case of missing mother, Nancy Guthrie, and the ongoing investigation into the disappearance of her son. Megyn also talks about a new piece of evidence that could shed new light on the case.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.
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This is our last day here in the beautiful ocean region where we are.
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And looking forward to getting back home and getting back on the news full time.
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But I wanted to drop a quick episode before we do that for those of you who wanted the latest in the ongoing saga of the Nancy Guthrie case.
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It's funny because even down here where we are, I've had so many people come and approach me and say,
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Oh my gosh, what about this? What about that? People are obsessed with this case.
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As I said last week, I think it has to do with a lot of things, including the value that we place on a human life, that we've done this repeatedly.
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When the nation zeroes in on what has happened to one individual, we all pitch in collectively.
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Like the nation will be satisfied in getting a result one way or the other.
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And it's been an incredibly crowdsourced investigation.
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And I think that gives a lot of people purchase in what happens with the investigation.
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And I think that's a very positive thing. More on that in one minute.
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The latest last night is something that we have news on.
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There's a local reporter who works for Arizona Family named Brianna Whitney,
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The Range Rover being towed away on Friday is a reference to that Friday night raid.
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This happened late into the evening Friday where the feds executed a search warrant on a home with a female and a male,
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believed to be mother, son, and then also stopped a Range Rover, a dark gray Range Rover,
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which we believe he was also connected to the people who were inside that house.
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It's unconfirmed. That's our understanding, though.
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And it seems that they may have had a lead directing them to one member of this family
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and then, you know, covered the field with a search warrant on somebody driving the car
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and then a mother, son, we believe, again, pair inside the home, and they searched the home.
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but doesn't look like, at least on first glance,
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But what she's reporting, this Brianna Whitney,
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is that DNA evidence is currently being tested from that Range Rover
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But the part about we can now confirm through an inside source
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that investigators believe the Guthrie abduction was an intended burglary,
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to say it's gotten pushback would be to undermine what's actually happened now.
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Both Michael Ruiz of Fox News Digital and Matt Finn of Fox News
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and my own sourcing has all said that's not the case.
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Authorities are distancing themselves from fresh reporting
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suggesting the Guthrie abduction is believed to be a burglary gone wrong
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and adds that nighttime residential burglaries are rare.
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Sheriff Nanos also spoke with Matt Finn of FNC,
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and even though that is one of many possibilities,
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the FBI is currently awaiting additional test results on a glove.
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the FBI tells me it has no clue where that came from,
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that they are leaning toward this being a burglary gone bad.
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So the FBI is pushing back on this with two sources at Fox.
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I've also gotten pushed back on this with my own sources connected to the case.
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Um, I don't know this reporter, Brianna, she's been good so far,
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but everybody gets things wrong in the course of an investigation when we're trying to work
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As she describes her source, it's just inside source.
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Don't know what that means, but I think the two reporters at Fox and yours truly all have law
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enforcement sources, all of whom have told us that's not the case.
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So I, I would take that with a hefty grain of salt that they're now looking at this as some
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The other big reported news yesterday came out of NBC and Tom winter who reported that
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authorities are leaning away from the Friday night guy.
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Again, this is the theory that there's one guy who was suspected and we don't know why,
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maybe it was cell phone tower data that he was near Nancy on the night in question.
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Maybe he looked like one of the other men that we saw on people's porches last week via
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ring video, but something led them to this one man and it appears his family around him and NBC's
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Tom winter reporting that the officials are leaning away from that guy away from Carlos,
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poor Carlos, the door dash man who I thought we'd already ruled him out, but he's reporting
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And he also added that they are leaning away from relatives of Nancy Guthrie, which is an
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Savannah, Annie, does it include the son-in-law, uh, Tommaso, who's married to Annie?
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You could, you could thread that needle such that it doesn't, but I think relatives would
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Um, and that does not dovetail with our own reporting today.
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Uh, we have contacted our law enforcement sources and we have been steered off of that
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And until they have a perpetrator under arrest, assume everyone is still under scrutiny.
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So, you know, the NBC report may have led to some in the Guthrie family feeling a bit
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I'm here to tell you they should not feel relieved.
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Everyone is still under scrutiny until someone is in handcuffs.
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And that includes members of the Guthrie family.
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Uh, this is somebody with impeccable credentials and is in a position to know.
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And so, um, I wouldn't be getting too relieved if I were anybody in the Guthrie family or elsewhere
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We've never suggested it has to be this guy, Tommaso.
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We haven't suggested that he's off the hook either.
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Um, I want to keep going now on the, uh, reporting.
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Okay, that Range Rover that was stopped during the traffic stop the other night.
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Uh, it was stopped at a Culver's parking lot about two hours from Nancy Guthrie's home.
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And the person was, who was driving it was detained, was handcuffed.
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And there was plenty of video of the FBI interviewing this man.
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It was a federal warrant, but the local law enforcement, I believe was also on the field,
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He was later released, no, uh, arrests made, and the vehicle has been impounded and sealed.
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So they are still trying to extract DNA or other evidence from that vehicle.
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And who knows whether that one could eventually pan out.
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I'm drinking more coffee right now because did you guys see the report that those who drank
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two to three cups of coffee a day staved off dementia, like 70% of them.
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Check Alec Berenson's X feed because he tweeted out the medical study.
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Two to three has to be caffeinated cups a day or one to two cups of tea, uh, like showed
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Over the years, try as they might, they cannot prove that coffee is bad for you.
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I mean, we're just waiting for the similar study on alcohol, but right now it's coffee.
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So drink your coffee and steer clear of the booze because everybody says that one's bad
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So no one has been excluded and pushback on the theory that it's a burglary and also the
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theory that they've moved away from the family.
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And here we are two weeks and a day removed from the day they determined that Nancy was
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Uh, yesterday was the two week anniversary, if you will, forgive the term of when she was
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It was overnight Sunday, Saturday into Sunday, January 31st into Sunday, February 1st.
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And perhaps the most promising lead they have to go on right now, other than those porch
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Well, there are two, which I want to talk to you about.
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One, um, is the possibility that Nancy's nest camera retained other photographs, just like
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And Sheriff Notos gave an interview to the daily mail, which was eyeopening saying, uh, by
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the way, he too pushed back, um, the thought that this is a burglary gone bad.
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He, he said, again, this, this is a kidnapping.
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The only thing we're really looking for was the motive, um, and that we don't know, but
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did not seem to think this was some guy trying to burgle the house, which doesn't make any
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He had a backpack on his back that was stuffed to the gills that he didn't have some empty
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He might've had some Santa's sack inside that he was going to unveil once he walked in.
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If this was a burglary gone bad, wouldn't you at least get your loot?
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How is your, you know, his loot was an 84 year old woman.
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There is no evidence thus far, nor has Sheriff Notos even suggested otherwise that anything
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And in fact, Notos has been dumping on the idea that this was a burglary gone bad, which
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he wouldn't have done if some massive thing of value was missing from inside the home.
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So he says, first of all, he gave a number to the daily mail that I hadn't heard before
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400 law enforcement from the sheriff's department, FBI and other local.
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And I think other agencies, cause we've heard customs and border patrol has been protection
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has also been there scouring that desert landscape 400 to look for Nancy Guthrie.
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I mean, that is, I don't even remember a law enforcement operation that had 400 combined federal and
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local authorities, and they cannot find this woman.
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That guy, he looked like a doofus was shoveling the plantation, the, the, the vegetation on
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That guy has befuddled 400 law enforcement agents so far.
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What we think about him is at a minimum, he appears to have been a local because he came
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He seemed to know where to find the vegetation seems like it wasn't his first day on Nancy
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This was likely targeted and that he knew it was Nancy Guthrie and he knew that she was
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That's my guess, uh, based on all the reporting we've done.
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And you tell me how this guy was able to avoid any cameras.
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A lot of the cameras now we've learned did not work on the roads, on the main highways,
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but you can't tell me all of them did not work.
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Uh, it appears to me this guy took the local roads and therefore was likely a local guy
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in knowing how to avoid cameras and so on as he escaped from this property.
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If Harvey Levin is right and police are really taking those alleged ransom notes seriously,
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Nancy's a local because those alleged ransom notes seemed possibly to come from a local
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Why else would you send it to two local, um, Tucson stations in addition to TMZ and, um,
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also reported that Nancy was being held within 12 hours, a 12 hour drive of Tucson, according
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And, and on the subject of Sheriff Nanos and the latest reporting, um, this is what I wanted
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He said that specialists in cloud-based video systems at Google are working feverishly to
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That's good to hear specialists in cloud-based video systems at Google are working feverishly
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So it may not, it may be that the FBI doesn't have more images that it hasn't released to
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It may be they don't have more, but Google is searching for more and that we may still get
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He goes on to say, quote, I just hope they can scrape a camera shot down to the driveway.
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To identify a vehicle because my goodness, you can't put a mask on a vehicle, right?
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So that's very interesting from the sheriff that they do believe those, that nest camera
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in the front and who knows, maybe even in the, in the back, he's been tight lipped about what
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And, you know, I've heard some speculate about why, why was that intruder so determined to
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cover up the nest camera when he was covered head to toe, you know, and he's like staring
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right into the camera as he shoves the vegetation, like who that's worried about the camera looking
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at him would like, who would care because he already has a ski mask on and he's done his
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Well, what if it was that he knew he'd likely be taking Nancy out the front door because his
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And he didn't want the pictures of Nancy being stolen to be on that nest cam.
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Maybe that was his main motivation in covering up the nest cam.
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We know that, well, we believe we know that she came out the front door because of the blood
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Um, that's an interesting thought that this guy, he understood she was coming out the front
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That's why he had to cover up those, that camera.
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And if the FBI has pictures of Nancy alive, if Google can uncover pictures of Nancy walking
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out of that front door of her own free will, I mean, obviously under duress and possibly
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We know that the intruder had a gun, but that's still something to know that she was at least
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alive when she exited, which remains a question at least right now without the videotape.
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So say a prayer for the geniuses at Google to find that needle in the haystack tape.
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You know, we don't know when he successfully got the nest camera off of its cradle.
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We do, we know he eventually did it because it's gone.
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My own bet is he tried to get the front one off.
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He probably then went around to the back and he was able to get in the back door.
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And I believe that there was forced entry there based on Banfield's reporting.
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Now it's probably back there that he figured out it's actually pretty simple to get that
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And once he figured out that one, he probably took the front one down probably before he
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came through it with Nancy is my guess, which means it would have been up for a little bit
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And there, there might've been additional photographs that could be quite helpful.
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Again, the sheriff says the specialists in cloud-based video systems at Google are quote,
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And you couldn't ask for a better team, honestly.
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And on the front of a better team, I, my reporting is that the FBI remains frustrated at the fact
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that they're not getting the first crack at the DNA analysis.
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And that leads me to the glove or gloves, plural, that were found two miles away from Nancy Guthrie's
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I believe these are the two gloves that the New York Post was present for the discovery of
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that look identical to the gloves used by the perpetrator.
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Well, the FBI did something extraordinary over the weekend and it put out a statement.
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You know, we've talked about this in the Charlie Kirk investigation with Tyler Robinson
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and how frustrated people are that the FBI hasn't been saying more.
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And I said to the audience, the FBI doesn't, they don't update you on cases.
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So it's very rare for them to put out statements on their investigation.
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I believe the reason they're making an exception here is because we have a missing person who
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might still be alive and she's believed to be in bad health and could be in, in a dire
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So they're doing everything they can to keep people interested in the case and keep them
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They, they've, they've all now said that the Fox news report, that there was a glove inside
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We told you that on Friday, but, but it is true that they recovered many, many gloves in
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But the two that they're most interested in right now are the two that the New York Post
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was there on the ride along for, or at least following law enforcement.
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I'm not exactly sure how they were there when they found it.
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And the FBI has released a statement on the analysis of those two gloves, which is not
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And you remember from last week, there's been some consternation over that.
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Why aren't we using Quantico, which is the, the standard, the gold standard for lab analysis.
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Why are we using a Florida private lab that hopes and prays it will be certified as a reputable
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Like why wouldn't you go to the lab that is like the gold standard?
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It's just nothing appears to be quite as talented and reliable as Quantico.
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The gloves found approximately two miles from the Guthrie residence in a field near the
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side of the road were packaged up by PCOS, that's Pima County Office of the Sheriff, and
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sent overnight on 2-12, which was Thursday night.
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And they arrived at their private lab in Florida on 2-13, which was Friday.
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The FBI received preliminary results yesterday on 2-14.
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And we are awaiting quality control and official confirmation today before putting unknown male
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That's their national database unique to the Bureau.
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Those are, it was a man who was wearing those gloves, and those gloves do have DNA on them.
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And the analysis was performed by the Florida lab.
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And before the FBI uploads the results to CODIS, their national database that shows you all
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sorts of bad guys who are in there or suspected bad guys, you can take DNA now from people who
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They're awaiting quality control and official confirmation before they upload the results
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Then they write, the process typically takes 24 hours from when the Bureau receives them.
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And again, they said they got the preliminary results on Valentine's Day, Saturday, and it
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takes 24 hours from when they receive them to do this quality control.
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So ideally, at some point yesterday, they were able to do the quality control and upload it.
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They write, investigators collected approximately 16 gloves in various areas near the house.
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Most of them were searcher's gloves that they discarded in various areas when they searched
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The one with the DNA profile recovered is different and appears to match the gloves of the subject
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Now, we don't know if what they mean is the one pair recovered two miles from her home
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in a field is different from all these 16 others or 15 others in that it appears to match
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the gloves of the subject, or if they mean one of the two gloves that we recovered in the
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They're saying that pair of gloves discovered in the field is much more interesting to us.
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They do appear to match in type, in look, in brand perhaps, the ones that the actual perpetrator
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And they're saying most of these other gloves are just discarded by searchers.
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And then they finish by saying the FBI has and will continue to provide assistance on whatever
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Again, they're not running hurt on this, and they're not getting the first crack at the
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DNA analysis or possibly any crack at the DNA analysis.
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They're just waiting for the quality control on the DNA analysis, and then they're going
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to upload it into CODIS, which is the database of offenders to see if it's a match.
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And then presumably, they will also cross-reference to the DNA.
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This is the other most promising lead that was found in the Guthrie home, and the sheriff
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has told us now that they are looking, they have found DNA inside Nancy's house that does
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not match anyone, that does not match Nancy and does not match, quote, those in close contact
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So they've collected that inside of Nancy's house, and that is now being analyzed.
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It will presumably be uploaded to CODIS, as will the DNA from these gloves.
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And whoa, we're in business if we have a match from somebody who was inside the Guthrie house
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That's what they're looking for, among other things.
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Now, what will they do if there's not a direct hit in CODIS?
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They may get a hit, first of all, from some distant, distant relative of somebody who is
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He wasn't in CODIS, and nobody he knew was in CODIS.
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But his relative was in the private DNA data banks that are out there, like, I think it
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And normally, they are not allowed, the feds, to look in those, to do DNA matching against
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There is a button you can check when you upload your DNA into 23andMe.
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But Ancestry.com or a company like that saying, I'm fine if you put me in the law enforcement
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Like, if one of my relatives turns out to be a criminal, I don't mind if you catch him off
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Like, they're asking all the gardeners and so on to give DNA.
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And I think if I were, like, in this situation where I just happened to be in the home of
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somebody who's obviously a victim of a crime, and they said, can I please have your DNA?
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I'm not so big on, like, just giving my DNA over.
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Like, if they were just, like, canvassing house after house saying, can I have your DNA?
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So you can't assume the worst when somebody says, I'm not giving my DNA, or when they
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say, I'm not uploading my DNA, even though I'm doing Ancestry.com, to be available more
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However, we learned in Kohlberger, this became a big controversy, that, remember, the defense
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made a big deal out of this, that apparently it's just policy, it's just a policy, it's
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not a law, with these private databases that they don't share with the FBI.
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But, like, in an emergency, they might, or the FBI might just do it, because there's not
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And our understanding to this day is that that is what they did.
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They got a hit on a relative of Kohlberger, or they didn't get a hit, and then they used
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the other database, and they got a hit that basically brought them to Brian Kohlberger's
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And then, what they did once they got the dad, is they do genetic genealogy, and they
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bring in somebody like CeCe, goddess of this technology, where, let's say they find a relative
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who is, like, 16 family members removed from the perp, and they can see it's got, like,
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a very, very distant relation to the perpetrator of the crime.
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Then you bring in a CeCe Moore, who starts to do a family tree.
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Like, you know how some people do their family trees?
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And it's like, this is the mom, this is the dad, this is the child, this is the offspring,
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this is where they're from, this is who they married, here are the death announcements.
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Okay, here, he's ruled out, he died, and so on, until you get to who lives in the Idaho
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area around the date this crime happened, or now in the Nancy case, who lives in the Tucson
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area around the date of January 31st, February 1st, and that's how you start zeroing in on a
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CeCe Moore's been on our show, we've talked to her multiple times.
00:28:50.080
And she actually made a comment about this limitation on databases and, like, what technically
00:29:01.740
And here's what she said about what she'd be doing if she were Savannah Guthrie.
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Despite the fact that over 50 million people have taken direct consumer DNA tests, for law
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enforcement cases, we are limited to the two or three smallest databases, which is less
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And I'm hearing a lot of misconceptions out there.
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Ancestry, 23andMe, and MyHeritage, the three largest consumer DNA databases, have barred law
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And there are two well-known databases, GEDmatch and FamilyTreeDNA, that have agreed to work
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And then there's a new nonprofit called DNA Justice that's much smaller, but can also be
00:29:50.300
And so those are the ones that they will have to work in unless they can serve a successful
00:30:01.840
Now, if I was Savannah Guthrie and her family, I would be begging management at Ancestry, 23andMe,
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and MyHeritage to allow the genetic genealogy profile to be compared in there because it would
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be a much more straightforward and quicker identification that way.
00:30:18.920
But so far, they've been very, very resistant to that, even though studies have shown that
00:30:24.320
91% of the public is in favor of using genetic genealogy to identify this type of criminal.
00:30:32.880
So that's back to what we were telling you, which is they are supposed to use the public
00:30:37.800
databases, but happen to know that if the case is extreme enough, they will move heaven
00:30:44.340
on earth to get into the more commercial databases that have way more information in them.
00:30:50.880
And she's saying if she were Savannah, she'd be demanding or begging the private databases
00:30:56.580
to cooperate and pushing the feds to get a warrant such that they can access those databases.
00:31:02.580
So hopefully they're doing that on all of this DNA.
00:31:06.640
Now, Cece actually went on to describe how if the perpetrator here is Hispanic, and he may
00:31:13.100
be, you know, we're not able to really tell with that ski mask on, but you certainly can't
00:31:19.620
You know, you can see that it's not an African-American man.
00:31:22.160
You can see that, I think you can see that it's not an Asian man, but it looks to me to
00:31:29.300
Even some people have disputed it's a man because he does look like he's wearing eyeliner, but
00:31:33.180
that could just be a function of the bizarre ring camera shot.
00:31:36.320
In any event, here's what she had to say if the perpetrator is Hispanic.
00:31:43.460
In fact, I've been waiting for that to happen, just hoping that there would be DNA found that
00:31:49.320
was not tied to any of the known individuals from the home, because that will solve the
00:31:58.040
What is going to determine how long that takes is what population group that person is from.
00:32:05.220
If their ancestry is from Latin America and they have recent immigrant ancestors, it'll
00:32:11.180
be much more difficult to identify that individual, so it could take a lot longer.
00:32:15.540
We have a lot of those Hispanic cases, and they tend to take weeks, months, or years compared
00:32:22.120
to somebody who has deep roots in the United States and primarily Northwest European ancestry.
00:32:27.160
So that's unfortunate, because there's a very high likelihood this person is Hispanic, just
00:32:34.600
given the region of the country that it's in, a very high percentage of Hispanics in Tucson,
00:32:41.640
And the guy on the porch does look like he might be Hispanic.
00:32:48.900
And I'm sure CeCe Moore will be brought in or somebody just like her if they manage to
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I thank God all the time that CeCe Moore is a young woman.
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She's not 90 and hopefully will be around for decades more to help fight crime.
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She's an incredibly valuable asset to law enforcement, so hopefully there'll be a need
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And, you know, they've done this time and time again.
00:35:04.920
They draw these elaborate family trees around you.
00:35:08.000
And even if they can get DNA telling them that this person is of a certain ethnic background,
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like sometimes you're not in CODIS, but they can tell stuff from your DNA about like what
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you might look like, that can be super helpful.
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And NBC did a whole feature on this where they came up with a mugshot for Andrea Canning
00:35:33.560
just based off of like the DNA that didn't show it was Andrea Canning.
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So the DNA, even without a match, could be potentially helpful.
00:35:50.540
You know, just DNA off of the gloves is not that interesting.
00:35:53.280
It has to match something that tells us it came from the crime scene.
00:35:58.880
I wanted to round back just for a second on the search for suspects.
00:36:03.560
Again, these three people from Friday night, not ruled out, but Winter reports they're
00:36:12.060
But he also reported they're leaning away from the family members and my own reporting
00:36:16.680
On the subject of the brother-in-law, Tommaso Sioni, who's married to Annie Guthrie, Savannah's
00:36:25.160
sister, Nados, in his interview with the Daily Mail, said the following, nobody has been cleared,
00:36:32.220
including the workers at Guthrie's home, the people who were recently the subject of the
00:36:36.540
two separate SWAT raids, and presumably family members, writes the Daily Mail.
00:36:44.920
I've not been in touch with Tommaso or Annie too much.
00:36:48.320
I have talked to them a little bit, but I know the investigators are in touch with them.
00:36:52.380
But I've really told people, this is a lot of stress.
00:36:55.360
If he, Tommaso Sioni, is guilty, if he's the one who did it, and we're able to prove that,
00:37:03.980
But don't come out of nowhere with this, he writes.
00:37:08.700
They're going to say, well, he's the last one to see her alive.
00:37:13.220
But my goodness, you're putting a mark on somebody who could be completely innocent.
00:37:20.960
It's also why, writes the Daily Mail, Nados said, he will not specify who was with Nancy
00:37:25.580
when she was driven home from Sioni and Annie Guthrie's home after going to their house,
00:37:31.600
which is about 10 minutes away for dinner and a game night.
00:37:35.160
Quote, we know who it is, meaning who drove Nancy home.
00:37:41.320
Hello, we do too, because you told us, you told the New York Times that it was Tommaso.
00:37:48.160
But now here he is saying, quote, we know who it is.
00:37:51.680
But when we saw everybody was attacking everybody and saying it's this, we just thought, you
00:37:59.840
Well, that could have worked perfectly, Sheriff, if only you hadn't gone on the record with
00:38:04.820
the New York Times the day before and said it was Tommaso.
00:38:08.880
This is like, I'm sorry, but this is where you get a little keystone-y.
00:38:13.620
Nados said the entire Guthrie family has been, quote, nothing but cooperative, end quote, at
00:38:18.540
every turn, despite what for them is a nightmare without end.
00:38:21.920
Quote, everything we've asked for, they've given us.
00:38:24.360
They're in such a state of grief, but they're also, you know, I think they're a little weary
00:38:28.620
too of what's been going on and being said about them, end quote.
00:38:32.960
Nados will also not reveal if there were any signs of forced entry nor give details as to
00:38:37.800
whether Nancy was taken out the back or front door to what presumably was a waiting vehicle.
00:38:45.740
Like, how do you expect to get away with that, Sheriff?
00:38:49.320
You went on the record with the New York Times and said it was Tommaso, and now you want
00:38:53.720
us to just forget that and just, quote, go with family?
00:38:57.000
And then you tell the Daily Mail that this is exactly why you changed it to family, which
00:39:04.700
We didn't know for sure whether you were just confused about it.
00:39:07.940
But now we know for sure you have no confusion, and you changed it because you felt bad for Tommaso.
00:39:14.340
We all feel bad for Tommaso if he's innocent in all of this, but until you guys tell us
00:39:22.040
And that's what we're being told by other law enforcement as well.
00:39:30.580
And obviously, you always look at family when you're trying to rule out what may have happened,
00:39:34.620
especially in this case, to an 84-year-old woman who was kidnapped and possibly killed.
00:39:39.140
And it's not, as we've been saying, like a baby where there's a market for this type
00:39:44.500
of person if they, you know, wind up the victim of a kidnapper.
00:39:50.860
Law enforcement also saying, I heard the number now, that they've received 40,000 tips.
00:40:02.920
And Sheriff Nonno is saying publicly now that there will be a lot of police activity every
00:40:10.500
There was a report over the weekend that the sheriff, that the Pima County Sheriff's Department
00:40:15.480
was using helicopters with the so-called signal sniffers underneath the tracks to possibly
00:40:22.880
ferret out any pacemaker signals coming from down below.
00:40:30.800
We know that the actual pacemaker in Nancy Guthrie will not connect with its iPhone if
00:40:35.480
it's more, we've heard, between 10 and 30 feet away from her.
00:40:39.460
Maybe these signal sniffers have higher sensitivity and can connect farther from that.
00:40:46.100
Because I can't get within 30 feet in a helicopter from somebody's house.
00:40:49.500
I think that would be scaring a lot of residents.
00:40:51.580
Um, so it's got to be more sensitive than that, but great technology if, if they can
00:40:57.560
I mean, I only wish that it had been used every day since the day she went missing ubiquitously
00:41:03.340
because it seems a little late to be trying that.
00:41:06.220
We are told that the pacemaker signal will go on even post-mortem.
00:41:13.320
So in other words, if you got Nancy's iPhone within 30 feet of her right now, no matter where
00:41:17.760
she is dead or alive, her pacemaker would still be signaling.
00:41:25.980
Again, the two best leads right now are the DNA that was inside the home that's being analyzed
00:41:31.300
says the sheriff, uh, and the, the pictures from the guy on the porch and still waiting
00:41:39.200
They're going through these 40,000 tips, sometimes as many as 5,000 tips a day, which is a lot.
00:41:46.420
Last but not least, Savannah, uh, she issued a, an Instagram post on Sunday.
00:41:56.940
And, um, this one seemed as close as we've had to the real Savannah, as opposed to like
00:42:07.100
But I think, let's be honest, this one was carefully curated too.
00:42:10.040
There's no way given the stakes here, she would just be winging it.
00:42:12.600
I wouldn't either be doing exactly what the FBI told me to do.
00:42:16.740
But anyway, you tell me, here she is, um, with her message on Sunday.
00:42:24.420
I wanted to come on and, um, it's been two weeks since our mom was taken.
00:42:32.560
And I just wanted to come on and say that, um, we still have hope and we still believe.
00:42:46.780
And I wanted to say to whoever has her or knows where she is, that it's never too late.
00:43:05.520
And it is never too late to do the right thing.
00:43:18.460
Um, and we are here and we believe, and we believe in the essential goodness of every human being.
00:43:47.600
You can see just the wear and tear on her emotionally.
00:43:55.620
And I mean, look, there's no love lost between yours truly and NBC, as you know, but when you picture Savannah Guthrie, you picture her smiling.
00:44:07.200
But this has just been such a dramatic turn just in the Savannah that we all know from television.
00:44:14.100
You know, there's not a, not an iota in there of joy or happiness.
00:44:20.880
How could there be when you don't know what's happened to your mom, when you're getting to the point where many are starting to presume she's, she's dead.
00:44:27.760
She's been murdered or allowed to die in the, in the, you know, in captivity.
00:44:33.720
But it definitely seems like she's speaking to the abductor, you know, trying to say like, almost like I, I, I, I forgive you.
00:44:44.500
She didn't say that, but like, I believe there's goodness in you.
00:44:48.800
Um, please consider giving her back to me, like begging.
00:44:52.920
It's basically, she's, she's asking for mercy, uh, and saying kind of, I don't think you're evil.
00:45:00.840
You know, please, you could, you could still do the right thing.
00:45:06.760
And, and this could be potentially very effective if indeed her mother's in the custody of a Savannah Guthrie stalker, you know, which she could be.
00:45:30.220
You've got the burglary or general, like air, like Tucson thief lane.
00:45:35.840
Is somebody there who was like looking to steal or do something else and wound up, you know, just getting over his skis and panicked and took Nancy Guthrie.
00:45:49.900
They had a spat lane, you know, like revenge, but not against Savannah, against Nancy.
00:45:55.560
But if we're in lane number two, the Savannah stalker lane, that's a very effective message.
00:46:03.560
That's like her, you know, direct to cam without the brother and sister, a little makeup on saying, I believe you might be a good person.
00:46:15.220
And maybe you just got confused and got a little panicked and it's not too late for you.
00:46:21.100
You know, it's not, it's not too late for you to do what's right.
00:46:25.760
I still have belief, you know, an emotional connection, if you will, where she says it, I don't know, I'm just pulling up.
00:46:38.240
Still have hope, still believe whoever has her or knows where she is.
00:46:42.880
So appealing not only to the abductor, but to those who, because you, you know, as well as I do, it's not just the abductor who knows where Nancy Guthrie is.
00:46:52.580
And then even going so far to say, you're not lost or alone.
00:47:01.260
If you're feeling, I mean, because of course, who would do this, right?
00:47:06.620
Indeed, somebody who would have to be feeling lost, alone, possibly, or just diabolical.
00:47:14.300
But she's going the nicer route, you know, trying to appeal to their better angels, to their sense of decency, morality, and mercy.
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The last thing the family needs is for the media to pack up its tents, because they will.
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The last thing they need is for them to pack up their tents, put away their stick mics,
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That's crime in the United States, and they will not stay on this forever.
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And this is something that this twit reporter over at MSNBC needs to understand.
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I've never heard of this fucker before, but I'm going to play you this person's soundbite.
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This is the new MSNOW, and it's reporter Alex Tabbit over the weekend.
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What's also interesting about what happened Friday evening and Saturday morning is not
00:52:30.020
just what we know, but also the number of false reports that came out over that time span.
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All of that speaks to an interesting and somewhat dystopian dynamic on the ground here, Jackie.
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And that is that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of members of the local, national,
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And in these moments of developments in this story, they will go live to their hundreds,
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if not thousands, if not tens of thousands of viewers, and I will overhear them just say
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Things that are not based in reality or have been checked with the local authorities.
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See how some of these comments that are made, without regard to the fact that a woman's
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life potentially hangs in the balance here, how those little comments snowball into this
00:53:33.940
Of all networks to be lecturing us on mis and disinformation.
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Why don't you talk to your big boss, Rachel Maddow, and all the rest of the primetime lineup about
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You want to talk about falling down on the job?
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As he's speaking in the lower third on the channel, coming up next, exclusive interview
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What did you do the first time you had a big exclusive with Doug Emhoff?
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He didn't ask him about the allegations that he likes to beat women at all.
00:54:05.880
OK, so we're not going to be taking lessons from you, twit reporter, on how to handle a
00:54:13.800
And the nerve, the nerve of this asshole to try to chide the influencers and the podcasters
00:54:20.060
who are out there trying to cover this case into doing it more like MSNBC or not doing
00:54:26.060
It's thanks to them that we have half the interest in this case.
00:54:30.140
They're the ones who are following around law enforcement.
00:54:33.800
Yes, and by the way, most of them have been extremely careful about not broadcasting the
00:54:38.620
specific locations of the law enforcement operations when they're executing on these
00:54:43.020
warrants because they understand that could give a tip off to the bad guys.
00:54:46.720
They're just looking for content and wanting to help solve this case.
00:54:52.700
I would include this show among them who listen to these influencers all day and night and take
00:54:59.380
from them what we think is valuable, discern what is appropriate to report, and make judgment
00:55:05.600
calls on what we're going to broadcast to the audience.
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And rather than dumping all over them because you think you have all the answers at MSNOW, you
00:55:14.640
might open up your eyes and ears and take a listen to what they're reporting, interviewing
00:55:19.460
neighbors, going to locations that the networks have not gone, following up on the locations where
00:55:27.360
we've seen police activity to try to ask the people involved, what did law enforcement ask you?
00:55:34.000
And let me tell you, there's not a family in America with a missing loved one that wouldn't
00:55:39.240
give their eye teeth to have this same influencer crew show up on their back door and get interested
00:55:51.060
Attention is exactly what is needed in the case of any missing person.
00:55:59.980
And by the way, this guy, we looked him up to see what's his background.
00:56:03.720
Like, why does he think he's in such a position to lecture all the reporters on how this needs
00:56:15.820
So you couldn't even get hired by PBS in a real job?
00:56:19.120
And not just PBS, just PBS NewsHour, one property over there.
00:56:23.620
And then there was his internship for CBS, but not even CBS News, CBS Interactive, whatever
00:56:33.160
And then a stint with ARK Media, which I've never heard of, and I don't even know if it's
00:56:39.640
a real thing, from his LinkedIn reporter, political reporter, and documentary journalist.
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So you manage somebody's X account or Instagram or did your own little reports on there.
00:57:04.360
Who doesn't believe good journalism should be constrained by medium?
00:57:09.740
What I think you mean is doesn't believe in good journalism, period.
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Irish and Italian heritage, by the way, you should know.
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Like, who lists their heritage in their bio as a reporter?
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Then he writes, calm in chaotic breaking news environments and always hungry for a scoop.
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Because if you were always hungry for a scoop, you would be listening to these on-the-ground,
00:57:46.860
intrepid influencers who you so disdain and trying to figure out whether they might actually
00:58:05.800
And we decide what rises to the level that it could make it on The Megyn Kelly Show.
00:58:09.720
And we've cited many of them by name and have absolutely no qualms about doing it.
00:58:15.060
We actually are seasoned reporters here, not just me, but my team as well, and know the
00:58:24.820
If you have good reporting and we can shore it up, it'll make it onto The MK Show.
00:58:29.520
And if it turns out to be wrong, we'll correct that with our audience.
00:58:31.940
But this is just another example of the elitists who are out there still thinking they're the
00:58:36.520
gatekeepers in news and desperate to shame the new medium out of existence.
00:58:42.640
Instead of saying, thank God, thank God that in a case of a missing person, you've got all
00:58:49.260
of these people who, by the way, young people are almost exclusively following social media
00:58:57.760
You literally have to be over 75 years old to watch that according to the numbers.
00:59:01.780
So the odds are somebody young is going to be who knows this person on the porch.
00:59:13.460
Through influencers, through YouTube, through social media.
00:59:17.180
So in any event, it's just like, it's really stunning to me the snobbery of someone who did
00:59:23.480
an internship for CBS Interactive on what you can and cannot report and from whom you can
00:59:38.680
We will be back on the air with a full show tomorrow, Tuesday, which will include an update
00:59:44.880
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00:59:51.980
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