The Megyn Kelly Show - What Bombshell Hunter Biden Message Reveals, and Trump vs. Biden Hypocrisy From Left and Media, with Glenn Greenwald

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.260 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. I'm back. I am back after a

00:00:18.680 two-week vacation with the fam in France. We went to France this year and it was super fun. It was

00:00:25.180 an excellent, excellent trip. Not only did we have just fun with the family, but we also,

00:00:30.160 you know, you sprinkle in plenty of cultural enrichment, not just for the children, but for

00:00:33.980 yourself. And you come home after a trip like that, thinking deeper and ideally feeling better

00:00:40.920 connected to the family, to your spouse. I missed all of you. I'm not going to lie when I'm not doing

00:00:46.760 the show, especially when it's a newsy week. I have that pull like, oh, oh, what else? Oh,

00:00:51.560 the submarine. What happened to it? Submersible. That was sad. Um, but there was a lot of news

00:00:57.760 to cover and I, I'm going to get to a lot of it in, in sort of a larger context here this morning.

00:01:04.120 I want to start with this. One of the best things about traveling with your family

00:01:06.680 is two weeks solid of your core fam together all day, every day. Now don't underestimate that.

00:01:13.220 When else do you get to do that, right? During school and work, you're busy. Your children are

00:01:17.600 busy. You are not with each other all day long. If you're lucky, you get your family dinner together

00:01:21.100 and maybe your family breakfast. But this is a time in which our family really found ourselves

00:01:25.740 able to talk about everything, um, in which we were refamiliarizing ourselves with everything

00:01:31.520 about each other. And Doug and I only think about you're having three meals a day with your kids.

00:01:35.740 You're traveling with your kids. You're seeing sites with your kids. You're talking about random

00:01:38.780 things with your kids. And yes, there can be minor skirmishes and so on. But for the most part,

00:01:44.160 we all got along and we wound up learning things about each child that I did not know going into the

00:01:49.400 trip. In some cases, they revealed concerns that we hadn't been aware of or social dynamics

00:01:54.040 that were on their minds, or we just had the opportunity to share stories with each other,

00:01:59.340 you know, some life lessons here or there and so on. So my advice coming out of this is take a family

00:02:04.360 vacation if you can. Don't bring other kids to entertain your kids. I know it's easier on you as

00:02:11.000 the adults in some ways, but you, you spend the time with them, put in the effort. You won't be sorry.

00:02:17.460 I'm telling you, it got so good and we got so close. I was sad to leave France, but it was more

00:02:22.900 about leaving that dynamic than leaving France. You know, I was happy to return to the show,

00:02:28.060 return to America, all the conveniences that we have here, snacks. They don't snack in France.

00:02:32.600 I miss my snacks. In any event, just remember that. Put in the time with the family. Don't bring

00:02:37.640 another kid. You, you entertain them. You put in the time. We went all around France, saw the Eiffel

00:02:43.540 Tower in Paris, saw the Mona Lisa and the Louvre. That was amazing. I actually got the chills. I'd

00:02:47.860 seen the Mona Lisa before, but we got up close and personal. I actually got the chills. It's great

00:02:52.320 when something like great art can do that to you. Did you know that at the top of the Eiffel Tower,

00:02:56.340 by the way, there's a tiny little apartment that Gustave Eiffel built for himself? I didn't know.

00:03:01.100 I'd never been up to the top of the Eiffel. Look at this. I took a picture. This is supposed to be

00:03:05.580 Gustave Eiffel there on the right, Thomas Edison there on the left, and Eiffel's daughter

00:03:11.180 are standing behind them. Apparently, this actually happened. Edison visited Eiffel in

00:03:16.480 the top of the tower in his little apartment. Two of the world's greatest visionaries sitting

00:03:20.500 up there on top of the world. Disgusting. God knows what, right? It's 81 stories up, and

00:03:27.020 this is back, you know, 100 years. I just can't, like, fathom how that must have gone. We went

00:03:33.440 to Provence, where we rented e-bikes. We rode everywhere. That was amazing. In retrospect, it was

00:03:39.740 probably dangerous to put our nine-year-old on one of those things to let him go 40 kilometers

00:03:43.160 an hour. But thank God we escaped unscathed. The entire place seemed like one big bike trail.

00:03:48.940 We pulled over for a bit to smell, here you can see, and touched the lavender in the

00:03:53.160 blossoming, expansive fields of purple. Now's the time to do that in France, and it was super

00:03:58.460 nice to do something with no point other than sensory enjoyment. The smell, the visual, all

00:04:05.220 of it. The feel of the lavender. It was just beautiful. The highlight of the e-bikes was this

00:04:10.020 right here, the cherries on the cherry trees. These were the freshest, ripest, most delicious

00:04:15.820 cherries any of us had ever eaten. We could hardly stop ourselves. And by the way, when you get it

00:04:21.640 fresh off the tree like that, right off the vine, you know, so to speak, it's like it looks nothing

00:04:27.340 like and tastes nothing like what you would get in the grocery store. What we get in the grocery

00:04:31.120 store, when it comes to cherries, is like a Frankenstein version of what you get the closer

00:04:34.960 you can get to the OG, which is a reminder of how better things are fresh from the garden

00:04:39.800 or the farm, which means we all have to grow a garden. Now we have to plant cherry trees.

00:04:42.960 I'm sorry, but we have to do it. We ended the trip at Saint-Tropez, where the views around

00:04:48.900 our hotel, I took a little video for you, of the Mediterranean, the French countryside, the

00:04:56.180 hotel gardens, which you can see here in this video, were out of this world. Just

00:05:00.580 absolutely serene. Believe it or not, in Saint-Tropez, we ran into entrepreneur and CEO

00:05:06.620 Grant Cardone. I spoke at an event of his in Vegas a couple months back. Remember when

00:05:11.380 we were in Vegas with the show? And we enjoyed a day with his family and his friends on the

00:05:16.780 sea and then out to lunch here. And I'll get to more of what we saw on the beaches of Saint-Tropez

00:05:20.840 and elsewhere in France a little later. Let's just say they're not so big a fan of clothing.

00:05:26.520 A lot of nudity. And it's always the unattractive ones, isn't it?

00:05:30.580 It's always, right? Abby's saying yes. It's never like the, I don't know, pick your favorite,

00:05:36.300 whatever, Jennifer Lawrence. It's not Jennifer Lawrence. No, it's old, like 78-year-old fat

00:05:43.220 men letting it all hang out. And I got an up-close and personal experience with one of them, which

00:05:47.400 I will tell you about in a minute. But right now, it's the beaches, not of Saint-Tropez,

00:05:52.160 but of Normandy that I want to talk to you about.

00:05:55.020 That's where we began the trip. And we were there nearly 79 years to the day

00:05:59.980 from the D-Day invasion, the site of some of the greatest acts of heroism the world

00:06:05.040 has ever seen. Now, we visited Pointe d'Auc. That's how you're supposed to pronounce it.

00:06:10.240 It looks like Pointe d'Auc, Pointe d'Auc, in Omaha Beach. And we walked amidst the enormous

00:06:16.560 bomb craters. You had to see these things. They were everywhere, huge craters in the land.

00:06:20.300 Here's an oversight aerial view from the internet. But, you know, we were in the midst

00:06:25.240 of all these. At first, you don't know what they are. Those are our bombs, the bomb craters

00:06:29.700 that our Allied planes created as they tried to provide air cover for our guys storming

00:06:34.220 the beaches down below. We stood on the sands of those very beaches, and our kids drew tributes

00:06:40.000 to the fallen in the sand, which I'm showing here for the YouTube audience. It was an eerie

00:06:45.640 thing to stand there with them, sweetly digging in the sand, knowing the blood and treasure

00:06:50.240 that had been lost on that hallowed ground, but well worth our time and yours.

00:06:56.800 We learned about men like James Earl Rutter, the commanding officer of 2nd Battalion, 75th

00:07:01.440 Rangers Regiment out of Texas. The Rangers had to climb up 100-foot ropes to the top of the

00:07:07.040 point while taking machine gun fire and dodging grenades being launched on them from above.

00:07:13.000 They lost 50% of their men but made it to the top and destroyed the German gun batteries

00:07:17.980 housing the enemy fire. They helped establish a beachhead for the Allied forces, seemingly

00:07:22.840 without a care for their own safety or lives. In all, around 133,000 troops from the U.S.,

00:07:29.120 Canada, and Great Britain landed on D-Day. The danger? Too grave to comprehend. You can't

00:07:35.340 get your arms around it. We watched Saving Private Ryan before we went. Had to pass forward through

00:07:41.720 a few scenes. They were too brutal for the kids, but they got the idea. And you really can't,

00:07:48.000 even seeing it there depicted in film, really understand what it would be like, you know,

00:07:53.980 if your boat pulled up and they had sort of the paneling in the back of the boat and the guys were

00:08:00.300 coming in and the machine gun fire was hitting the back of those boats. And that was the only thing

00:08:05.260 stopping the bullets from hitting the men. And then those, those sort of shields had to come down

00:08:11.920 and provided the bridge for the, for the guys, like the ramp for the guys to run out. So the

00:08:16.760 very thing shielding them from the bullets was about to come down. And the only thing left between

00:08:21.720 them and the bullets was their clothing. And they ran toward the machine gun fire. That's what they did.

00:08:27.780 That happened. Our guys, you know, the Canadians, the Brits there to liberate France. As we stood there

00:08:36.600 in that very spot, overlooking the hundred foot cliffs that our guys scaled so bravely eight decades

00:08:42.140 ago, it got me thinking about why they did it. Why, what would make a man do that? What would actually,

00:08:52.120 we can talk about it. Yes. Okay. Love of country, but what would actually make him do it? And whether

00:08:56.580 that level of sacrifice would ever happen today. And back in 1984, on the 40th anniversary of D-Day,

00:09:03.520 President Reagan took on this issue. He spoke to many of the veterans who were still alive then

00:09:08.740 in the very same spot that I just showed you that we visited.

00:09:12.980 Their mission was one of the most difficult and daring of the invasion to climb these sheer and

00:09:18.920 desolate cliffs and take out the enemy guns. Soon, one by one, the Rangers pulled themselves over

00:09:26.240 the top. And in seizing the firm land at the top of these cliffs, they began to seize back

00:09:31.280 the continent of Europe. These are the boys of Puentejo. These are the men who took the cliffs.

00:09:40.480 These are the champions who helped free a continent. You all knew that some things are worth dying for.

00:09:46.800 One's country is worth dying for. And democracy is worth dying for because it's the most deeply honorable

00:09:53.540 form of government ever devised by man.

00:09:58.580 All of you loved liberty. All of you were willing to fight tyranny. And you knew the people of your

00:10:04.580 countries were behind you. The Americans who fought here that morning knew word of the invasion was

00:10:12.020 spreading through the darkness back home. They fought or felt in their hearts, though they couldn't know

00:10:17.460 in fact that in Georgia, they were filling the churches at 4 a.m. In Kansas, they were kneeling

00:10:26.580 on their porches and praying. And in Philadelphia, they were ringing the liberty bell.

00:10:32.500 Hmm, I got the chills. The nation came together in a common purpose. The people joined in prayer to

00:10:41.860 support those on the front lines, understanding that this mission was greater than themselves.

00:10:47.140 We felt similar feelings in this country after 9-11. But that seems like a lifetime ago right now.

00:10:54.340 There's no question that our elite fighters and our American military would do what was asked of them

00:10:58.340 and do it with bravery and skill. The question is whether America could unite behind any similar cause

00:11:04.900 these days. Whether we will ever recapture the feeling of e pluribus unum out of many, one.

00:11:14.500 I'm worried. Just before I left for vacation, the Democrat Party saw to it that for the first time in

00:11:20.500 American history, a former president of the United States and the leading contender for the GOP nomination

00:11:25.220 in the 2024 presidential contest, was indicted on 37 federal felony counts, accused of hoarding

00:11:32.580 documents. Hoarding documents relating to the national defense and then of obstructing the Fed's

00:11:38.980 efforts to get them back. The indictment is troubling on its face. There's no doubt.

00:11:43.780 But here's the bottom line. It cannot be seen in a vacuum. Let's assume Trump did violate the law

00:11:50.900 rather flagrantly. Should he be prosecuted? Well, you can't answer that without knowing

00:11:57.460 the rest of the story. Like all the chapters leading up to the moment the DOJ made a federal

00:12:02.900 case out of Trump's behavior. The Russia hoax, which handicapped Trump's four years in office,

00:12:09.060 in which the Democrats, including the FBI and the press, engaged in an extended campaign to steal his

00:12:14.660 first term, disparaging him daily, accusing him of treason, essentially, and prosecuting the people

00:12:20.740 around Trump as alleged Russian agents in a dishonest, trumped up, politically motivated effort

00:12:25.940 to undermine his entire presidency. When all of that was officially chronicled by special counsel John

00:12:32.100 Durham, the left yawned. No accountability, no horrified moral judgments, just to move on.

00:12:39.380 When the GOP-controlled House censored Democrat Adam Schiff last week for his outright lies

00:12:45.780 about the intelligence he claimed at the time to have seen in Russiagate, lies that helped mislead

00:12:51.540 and confuse a nation and divide us at the core, he said he wore their contempt as a badge of honor.

00:12:58.180 But Trump's document cash, that's supposed to really incense us. They tried to impeach him twice.

00:13:04.420 They worked, we now know, through the supposedly nonpartisan FBI to suppress negative information

00:13:10.980 about Joe Biden and his corrupt son, Hunter, in the lead up to the 2020 election. The CIA helped

00:13:16.820 working with the Biden campaign to corral so-called intelligence experts to assure us that the Hunter

00:13:23.540 Biden laptop was a Russian plant. Attorneys general like Letitia James in New York sued Trump repeatedly,

00:13:29.860 trying to shut down his entire business. And now criminal cases are being threatened in

00:13:34.340 as many as four jurisdictions. For payoffs to porn stars that weren't totally documented properly,

00:13:42.340 allegedly. And papers retained improperly, but without any evidence of them actually being

00:13:47.300 exposed to our enemies. Can't say the same for Hillary Clinton's homebrew server, which experts

00:13:52.180 believe was likely accessed by at least the Chinese. Hillary, who also defied a federal subpoena,

00:13:59.860 and destroyed documents and devices while under a legal obligation to produce them and was not

00:14:05.780 prosecuted because why again? The indictment of Trump is part of a long pattern with the left.

00:14:12.580 And the problem for many of us is without defending anything that Trump allegedly did,

00:14:17.860 that it's impossible to detach the legal case from the political one. It's impossible.

00:14:23.540 The latter is entirely the reason for the former. It is the reason Trump supporters may not approve

00:14:29.780 of how he allegedly handled himself here, but cannot bring themselves to really care when it comes to

00:14:34.980 this election. They know these people will do anything to get him. And if it were not the

00:14:41.620 documents, it would be something else. They will never stop. It is hard to support zealots on a

00:14:47.700 political mission who tell us no one is above the law when targeting a Republican, but make obvious

00:14:53.380 exceptions when the alleged criminal is a Clinton or a Biden. We'll get into this in a minute with Glenn

00:15:01.140 Greenwald. But this same DOJ, which has such interest in Trump's files, apparently has none in

00:15:07.380 those of Joe Biden. The news emerging over the past few days on alleged influence peddling, possible

00:15:13.540 bribery and corruption involving our current president and his son is stunning. And yet these same notable

00:15:21.060 federal authorities seem to have zero appetite to even investigate this matter. Forgive us if we see the

00:15:28.260 difference and decide Donald Trump's documents may not be a deal breaker. Let's not forget these same

00:15:34.180 leftists who now claim to be the authorities, right, on righteousness and moral rectitude are trying at this

00:15:40.700 moment to delegitimize the U.S. Supreme Court after failing in their push to pack it with extra justices. Why? Because it

00:15:47.780 has a conservative majority. The conservatives didn't try to do this when the liberals had the majority,

00:15:52.260 but because it's now a 6-3 court, it must be destroyed. One conservative justice after another

00:15:57.620 gets targeted, first as alleged rapists or sexual abusers, and now as corrupt and unethical money

00:16:04.740 grubbers. Their draft opinions get leaked. Their homes get targeted. Would-be assassins show up to murder

00:16:10.660 them. And the left shrugged its shoulders saying, well, this is what democracy looks like.

00:16:16.740 These experts in ethical standards wanted to prosecute parents for speaking out at school

00:16:22.020 board meetings. They infiltrated church prayer groups during COVID. They wrote openly of their

00:16:27.460 desire to surveil Catholic masses. In places like California, they are literally right now pushing

00:16:35.060 legislation to criminalize parents who object to cutting off their children's body parts or to

00:16:42.580 sterilizing them as minors. If the child suffers a touch of gender confusion, you will affirm or you

00:16:50.180 will be criminal. That's what's happening right now in California. We'll get to it. These are our moral

00:16:57.540 betters. They lie to push their inclusive and tolerant agendas like forcing girls to compete against boys

00:17:04.740 in sports, even when it might be dangerous, never mind unfair. Did you see the loon who heads up Human

00:17:11.780 Rights Watch last week testifying about fairness in athletics, trying to say no man could ever beat

00:17:19.140 Serena Williams in tennis and that it is a lie to suggest otherwise? Riley Gaines thankfully was there

00:17:26.980 at the moment and promptly shut that nonsense right down.

00:17:30.020 You don't believe that a biological male has a physical advantage in sports over a biological

00:17:38.180 female? Not as a definitive statement. Well, I can say that, you know, there's been this news article

00:17:44.020 about men that think that they could beat Serena Williams in tennis, right? That they think that they

00:17:48.580 could actually score a point on her. And it's just not the case. She is stronger than that.

00:17:53.480 What's your experience been, male, female? Both Serena and Venus lost to the 203rd ranked male

00:18:00.200 tennis player, which they're phenoms for women. My experience, my husband, he swam at University of

00:18:05.880 Kentucky as well. In terms of accolades and in terms of national ranking, I was a much better swimmer than

00:18:12.360 him. He could kick my butt any day of the week without trying.

00:18:16.680 This woman doesn't know what she's talking about, this human rights campaign woman. And by the way,

00:18:22.920 she controls corporate America, so it's a problem. She doles out the equity scores to which our

00:18:27.920 moneymakers have become so beholden. This group used to just support gay rights like same sex, same

00:18:34.660 sex couple insurance benefits. That makes sense. Now it wants to demonize anyone who won't say she

00:18:40.080 about a man prancing around the office with a beard and a bulge in his pants.

00:18:45.020 Their lies about COVID, too, caused immense harm. They haven't been held accountable for any of it.

00:18:50.480 Children kept out of schools, forced to get a vaccine they did not need, in which far too many

00:18:54.480 cases scarred their hearts and impaired their cardiac health, all of which the left ignored or told us was

00:19:00.840 a lie. To adults whose vaccine injuries were ignored or even mocked and whose job losses from the

00:19:07.000 lockdowns or because they wouldn't get the vax were written off as a moral necessity.

00:19:11.500 When the leftist party line on how the virus started, they said it was from an animal at a

00:19:15.640 Chinese wet market. Where are they? They tested 80,000. They haven't found one yet. When that got

00:19:20.000 questioned, they once again tried to shut down all debate. Now that the evidence has become undeniable,

00:19:24.460 they ignore it or publish headlines claiming it'll just never be clear. That's what the New York

00:19:29.320 Times wrote last week. But remember, folks, they're the ones about accountability. That's what

00:19:34.480 they stand for. So, no, at the moment, we are nowhere close to unified. We are at each other's

00:19:41.160 throats and for very good reason. We love our country. At least some of us do. But to wrap arms

00:19:48.440 around this radical left and say we're all on the same team right now is to deny reality.

00:19:53.480 These people want to hurt our children and break up families. They weaponize our legal system to hurt

00:19:59.780 their enemies. They undermine any institution that won't push their radical agenda. Harm to America,

00:20:06.020 be damned. The good news is the American people are not falling for it. Eighty percent of Democrats,

00:20:13.540 according to the latest USA Today poll, say that they want to make Joe Biden fight to become the

00:20:20.740 Democratic nominee. Eighty percent of Democrats want him to debate his more sensible opponents like

00:20:26.860 RFK Jr. Trump on the indictment front has lost approximately zero support since the political

00:20:34.720 head job of that indictment was handed down. The leftist social agenda needs only to be exposed to

00:20:41.120 be eventually ruined. Bud Light sales down lower than ever this past week. We checked. Catholics turned

00:20:48.220 out in droves at the L.A. Dodgers celebration of the drag queen nun bashers and the trans psycho who

00:20:55.180 decided to flash his fake breasts at a White House event last week was too much even for Team Biden, which

00:21:01.780 mildly condemned him for his disgusting behavior because they were actually offended. God, no, you know

00:21:08.300 that's not true because Americans are sick of this shit. We're in a different kind of battle for America

00:21:16.320 right now for the soul of the country. It doesn't require the kind of courage that it took to storm

00:21:22.500 the beaches of Normandy. Let's not kid ourselves about that. But it does require some measure of

00:21:27.940 courage. It requires us to stand up and not be cowed into saying what we know is not true. Like a man

00:21:35.200 can become a woman. Like the covid lockdowns were worth it. Like Trump belongs in prison. Like Biden is

00:21:42.340 above reproach. These truths may not unify us in the short term, but long term, they're required

00:21:49.320 if we want to find our way back to the America that once prayed together, fought together.

00:21:56.480 The one that stormed those beaches for love of country. To the one that stared fascism in the face

00:22:03.500 and in response rang the Liberty Bell. We'll be right back with Glenn Greenwald for the entire

00:22:10.980 show. So much to get to. Here with me now to talk Hunter Biden, brand new 2024 polling and shocking

00:22:21.480 video of fully nude men performing in front of children at a so-called pride event over the weekend

00:22:28.380 is my friend Glenn Greenwald. Glenn is the host of Rumble's system update. Glenn, thanks for being

00:22:34.820 back with me today to kick things off when I'm back from vacation. This is the first I've seen you.

00:22:41.220 Can we please let me start with just my my thoughts and renewed condolences to you on the loss of your

00:22:47.080 husband, David. I'm so sorry. I I know it's awkward to start this way, but I just I haven't seen you

00:22:52.620 since. And I've been thinking about you. My entire team has been thinking about you and praying for you

00:22:56.240 since it happened. Thank you, Megan. That's very nice of you to say. I appreciate that.

00:23:00.740 How are you doing?

00:23:02.740 Um, you know, it's it's, of course, very hard. But the fact that I have the responsibility to kind of

00:23:10.820 navigate this with my kids, with our kids, has turned out to be a huge blessing because it's

00:23:17.440 thing that gives you the purpose and the comfort and the strength to do that. And they do the same

00:23:22.580 for me. And so, you know, at the end of the day, you see what really matters in life, which is family

00:23:28.520 and your most important connections. And I think that's in the starkest light possible as a result

00:23:34.940 of losing somebody. And so, uh, yeah, just finding a lot of comfort and renewed purpose and being a

00:23:41.580 father and, uh, in family, which is the foundation for everything. Ultimately.

00:23:47.020 Oh, man. You know, it's, it's hard to find something positive, you know, in an event like

00:23:52.060 this, but I will say I've seen it online and I'm sure you felt it immensely. The amount of love for

00:23:57.640 you, Glenn is overwhelming. I mean, this kind of thing reminds you of how valuable a person is to you,

00:24:05.980 right? Like how much do I care that Glenn's going through this? I care a lot. My team cares a lot.

00:24:09.980 But your support online, people's hearts just broke when they heard. And I know he'd been sick

00:24:14.860 for a long time, but I hope that buoys you in some, in some way, because you really are loved.

00:24:21.840 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, those things, the public reaction has been incredibly helpful.

00:24:25.580 David too, is somebody who just, you know, spread so much love. And so, um, it was impossible not to

00:24:31.280 like David. It was amazing. I saw his phone the minute that he went into the hospital was filled with

00:24:35.520 people from every single political faction in every single political camp who just always liked

00:24:41.900 David, even if disagreeing with him, that's the kind of politics, just the kind of person he,

00:24:45.300 he tried to be and was. And so for sure, that kind of thing really, uh, strengthens us as well.

00:24:52.400 I'm sure it'll be a long, long process to get through this, but we're with you, uh, in spirit,

00:24:57.140 rooting for you. Thanks always appreciate that. Um, all right. So we'll talk about the news,

00:25:00.860 which is always a soothing bomb. Let's talk about other people's problems. And like Hunter Biden's

00:25:06.880 I've learned that the value is there. Yeah, exactly. They are significant. I mean, first I

00:25:12.280 saw the headline when I was gone that, you know, okay, he copped a deal on these misdemeanor

00:25:15.880 charges, a slap on the wrist. And it was an obvious fig leaf, right? Like, oh, look, we charge

00:25:20.380 everybody. We charge the Republican and we charge the Democrat. And it was an obvious BS, um, on these,

00:25:26.080 you know, tax charges and the gun problems that he had. Uh, and it was really, I mean,

00:25:32.340 I I've seen different accounts, but lawyers, I trust, and people who have actually looked done

00:25:36.440 like comprehensive surveys of people facing the kind of gun charges, at least that he was facing

00:25:40.740 saying almost every single one of them would normally face prison time or something more

00:25:45.340 significant than he's facing. But that's not even the big story. Then we, then we find out that it's

00:25:51.240 much more serious than we knew. These two IRS whistleblowers have come out to say the DOJ has

00:25:57.640 been controlling this from the start, notwithstanding its protestations of non-interference that Merrick

00:26:03.700 Garland's DOJ's intentionally slow walked the entire thing that they've been stopping the IRS

00:26:09.780 investigators from doing their jobs, that they've been tipping off the Hunter Biden team time and time

00:26:14.520 again, that investigations were coming, that phone calls were coming, that, uh, interviews of witnesses

00:26:20.480 were coming, that the feds were going to show up and do a document review, right? Similar to how

00:26:24.640 they surprised Trump they wanted to do to Biden. No interference heads up. It was like they were

00:26:30.440 working together according to these whistleblowers, one of whom has come out by name, one of whom has

00:26:34.700 yet to be specifically named. And we'll get to the WhatsApp WhatsApp message involving Joe Biden in a

00:26:40.540 minute. But let's just start with the allegations being made by these two whistleblowers and how you

00:26:44.480 see it. I think we need to start with the fact that you have to consider the enormous risks that

00:26:50.980 these people are taking and the freight chain that they're inviting to come rolling toward them by

00:26:57.340 standing up and denouncing the corrupt politicization of the Hunter Biden investigation by the Biden

00:27:03.840 Justice Department as a means of protecting the president's son. These are not powerful people.

00:27:08.580 You're talking about a kind of mid to senior level investigator in the IRS, kind of a career

00:27:14.660 public servant. And the second person seems to be even a little bit more junior. And the more senior

00:27:21.180 one has put his name as attached his name to these allegations. You can imagine the kind of scrutiny and

00:27:28.040 attacks and the risk that that entails in order to do that leads me very strongly to just at least assume

00:27:34.520 in the first instance that there must be some kind of good faith behind these claims. And that's

00:27:40.280 exactly what they're claiming, which is that IRS supervisors and IRS investigators who work on these

00:27:46.140 cases all the time said that in ordinary circumstances, if it weren't the president's son,

00:27:51.300 this is the kind of case that would result never in misdemeanor charges, but in multiple felony

00:27:55.400 charges. There were prosecutors in the Justice Department assigned to this case who also concluded that

00:28:01.700 felony charges were the only viable path that that would be true for anybody else. And what happened

00:28:08.240 instead was that every step of the way, the investigation was interfered with and intervened by

00:28:13.980 senior Justice Department officials who entered to the Biden White House in a way that that wasn't

00:28:18.660 supposed to happen since it's a special counsel, constantly blocking avenues of investigation and

00:28:24.140 ultimately demanding that only a misdemeanor charge be offered to him as part of a plea deal.

00:28:29.360 And this is exactly the kind of politicization of the Justice Department that they claim President

00:28:34.400 Trump was guilty of, that they swore they would never do. And it's not conservative media or Devin

00:28:40.220 Nunez now claiming this. These are career civil servants putting their names on it at great risk to

00:28:45.080 themselves and their career, putting themselves in peril in order to blow the whistle on this kind

00:28:49.040 of a corruption. And to me, that is a very compelling sign that there's a lot here.

00:28:52.960 I want to get into the specifics, but I mean, to me, the basic juxtaposition is no one is above the

00:29:00.020 law. No one is above the law. No one is above the law unless your last name is Clinton or Biden. I

00:29:05.160 just can't get like that's what I cannot get past. That is why it is very difficult to shed tears

00:29:09.560 over the horrors that Donald Trump did with those documents. It's like either we're going to have one

00:29:15.500 system of justice or we're not. And these two whistleblowers, their allegations are absolutely

00:29:21.660 shocking about what was done in the Hunter Biden case. Why did it take five years? These two are

00:29:27.500 telling us we now are getting the answers, at least according to them. The top line from each guy

00:29:33.180 is as follows. One named Gary Shapely, 14 year IRS veteran. Wall Street Journal says he was the leader

00:29:40.660 of an elite team of agents specializing in international tax investigations brought in as

00:29:45.840 supervisor of the Hunter case in January 2020. This wasn't some low know nothing minion. This guy was

00:29:52.220 running the Hunter investigation and he said, quote, this criminal tax investigation of Hunter, quote,

00:29:59.980 has been handled differently than any investigation I've ever been a part of for the past 14 years of

00:30:06.140 my IRS service. The second unnamed whistleblower said in his testimony that the conduct of prosecutors

00:30:13.020 on this case, quote, quote, has honestly been appalling. And I do not think they are considering

00:30:19.260 the human impact of the decisions they're making. Should start up front by saying the DOJ denies that

00:30:25.640 the the guy investigating this, the U.S. attorney David Weiss, had anything less than full control.

00:30:31.180 They say he has full authority over the matter and really would like to distance Merrick Garland

00:30:36.500 or his DOJ from having interfered. But that's not what in particular Shapely or the other guy

00:30:43.240 have been saying. There's a very specific list, Glenn, of 14 allegations being made about these guys,

00:30:50.320 including that they were stopped in pursuing search warrants of Joe Biden's guest house where Hunter

00:30:57.000 had one time lived because of the optics that they wanted to search a storage unit in Virginia where

00:31:03.960 Hunter had moved business documents. I thought they cared about business documents. They had to make

00:31:08.340 sure that they're secure. He had moved business documents and the team wanted to search it and

00:31:12.720 that their boss, the U.S. attorney, Ms. Wolfe, again, objected, tipping off Hunter's defense counsel,

00:31:19.900 ruining their chance to get to the evidence before it was destroyed or manipulated,

00:31:24.820 that the FBI tipped off Hunter's Secret Service team to a proposed day of action in which members

00:31:29.900 of the U.S. attorney David Weiss's team intended to conduct surprise interviews of witnesses,

00:31:35.120 including Hunter. Instead, the FBI gave Hunter's Secret Service team a heads up that they were going

00:31:40.620 to do it. And of the 12 plus interviews they hope to conduct, they only got one, said the

00:31:46.300 whistleblower. And then Hunter lawyered up that they were blocked from pursuing leads about the

00:31:52.820 financial transactions of Hunter's children, saying they'd get into hot water if we interviewed the

00:31:57.540 president's grandchildren. We were told not to look into evidence of campaign violations,

00:32:01.460 that they prepared a document in late 2021 covering the tax years 2014 through 19, in which

00:32:08.680 it recommended charging Hunter with felony tax evasion, felony false tax returns and failures to pay

00:32:13.820 tax. This is based, said the whistleblower, on his textbook tax evasion of declaring his income from the

00:32:20.340 Ukrainian firm Burisma as a loan. They were also looking at charging him as a foreign agent,

00:32:25.280 an unregistered foreign agent. But according to Mr. Shapely, the Weiss team was prepared to pursue

00:32:31.720 these charges, but was blocked by Biden appointees, despite Attorney General Merrick Garland's public

00:32:37.760 claim that Mr. Weiss was independent. I could go on and will in a minute. But these are, I mean,

00:32:43.460 there's, if this is true, Glenn, there's no question that the DOJ interfered. And it's why Kevin

00:32:49.200 McCarthy today is suggesting he may, depending on where this goes, push to impeach Merrick Garland.

00:32:55.960 What do you make of it? I think this is the key part of this, which is, and you just did a great

00:33:01.220 job elucidating this fact, which is, this is not a case where someone inside the IRS is coming forward

00:33:07.180 with just assertions or unhinged allegations that seem ideological or partisan. Not only are there all

00:33:15.680 kinds of specifics, specifics about how the DOJ interfered with the investigation, how the DOJ

00:33:21.600 overrode what ordinarily would be normal investigatory avenues. Do you think in most

00:33:26.800 cases where they're investigating somebody for tax evasion, they're shy about going and investigating

00:33:31.540 and talking to the failing members who are part of the finances of the person being investigated?

00:33:35.780 Needless to say, the IRS is not exactly unforthcoming or nor is the Justice Department when

00:33:41.680 it comes to those kinds of investigations, the way they were here. But also they have

00:33:45.340 documentary evidence with they furnished to the committees and the Congress substantiating all of

00:33:51.540 these allegations. So the credibility of these claims is as high as you can possibly get. Now,

00:33:57.420 they should be investigated fully, but it's a very promising start from the perspective of whether

00:34:03.240 the allegations are credible or not. When you have somebody putting their name on it,

00:34:06.600 somebody being this specific and most important of all, somebody offering documentary substantiation

00:34:11.720 for the claims that they're making. I think it's important as well to take a step back because you

00:34:16.140 mentioned the Donald Trump prosecution. It is so crucial. There were people, this is very predictable

00:34:21.300 what they were going to do. And there were people predicting it. Ted Cruz, you know, whatever else you

00:34:25.060 think of him, you can go back and find him over the last year saying that exactly this was going to

00:34:29.360 happen, that they were going to indict Donald Trump on serious federal charges. And then shortly

00:34:34.100 after, in order to prove they were being even handed, they were going to indict Hunter Biden or

00:34:39.360 charge Hunter Biden, but in a way that would ensure that he would be protected, which is exactly what

00:34:44.320 ended up happening. That's how flagrant and transparent it was that it was so predictable

00:34:47.920 what they're doing. I don't know if you saw, you probably just see this week at Megan regarding that,

00:34:52.800 that very short lived coup in, in Russia all weekend long in the Washington Post,

00:34:58.160 the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times. There are all kinds of reports about what U.S.

00:35:03.060 intelligence agencies knew about what was happening, about what they knew in advance.

00:35:07.860 Every single instance where you see an article like that is an instance of somebody leaking top

00:35:13.760 secret information to newspapers in a way that is unauthorized and therefore illegal under the law.

00:35:20.780 Nobody cares. No one's interested in finding the source of this. These people play with classified

00:35:25.900 information, top secret documents every single way this day. And now you have Donald Trump,

00:35:31.500 who isn't accused of leaking this information to anybody as part of the indictment, who's just

00:35:35.360 accused of having taken it, even though he could have declassified it had he wanted to. But

00:35:39.060 I guess the allegation is he just failed to do so. And all the same people who every day spill top

00:35:45.000 secret information on the pages of the newspapers or who inside the government pass it to reporters

00:35:50.600 are feigning this indignation over how Donald Trump treated our secret classified documents by keeping

00:35:57.880 it recklessly or negligently inside Mar-a-Lago to the point that he's being indicted when every day

00:36:03.120 far more serious leaks happen. And they don't even charge the person at all. They don't even care to

00:36:07.740 pretend that they're angry about it. This is how you see the politicization of the Justice Department

00:36:12.020 on the other end, where they're clearly abusing the justice system. They want to charge Donald Trump,

00:36:17.140 most of all, with the very dangerous claim that the speech he gave, the political speech he gave

00:36:22.300 on January 6th, incited the three hour riot at the Capitol, even though in that speech,

00:36:27.380 he specifically explicitly said, go and protest peacefully. And so now you have on the other end,

00:36:33.240 these very serious allegations that Hunter Biden, who by all accounts committed serious crimes,

00:36:38.120 has been protected. Let me just say the last thing about this making, because this is the part that's

00:36:42.000 really angering me the most. I am actually somebody who thinks that, you know, people who

00:36:47.460 have drug addiction in their lives and then overcome it are people who have done something

00:36:51.840 commendable. I think addicts, I think it's wrong to try and imprison addicts. And what they're doing

00:36:57.860 is they know that a lot of American families have also struggled with addiction and are struggling

00:37:02.080 with addiction for all kinds of reasons. And they're exploiting these emotions to try and say,

00:37:07.060 and NPR had an article explicitly saying this, so did Nick Kristof over the weekend in the New York

00:37:10.800 time side. Anybody who questions what's happening with Hunter Biden is stigmatizing

00:37:15.520 the, the, or strengthening the stigma around addiction as a way to protect Hunter Biden.

00:37:22.000 Joe Biden is the person most responsible for the laws that send addicts, other families,

00:37:28.420 children to prison just for possession of drugs when they're addicts. He was so proud of that record

00:37:33.100 in the Senate. He hasn't changed it at all. And the parts of what Hunter Biden did, even if parts of

00:37:38.120 it were about addiction, it's not like because you're an addict and you deserve praise for

00:37:43.460 overcoming it. It justifies anything and everything that you do, but this is the way they're exploiting

00:37:47.980 these emotions. And the key question remains, what did Joe Biden know about these business deals in

00:37:52.820 China and Ukraine? And you alluded to documents showing that he knew something. And this is what

00:37:57.360 they're now doing is Joe Biden's a career architect of the prison state, sending addicts to prison.

00:38:02.160 And I was, you know, shedding crocodile teals, tears over addiction as a way to protect his son

00:38:07.500 and himself from inquiry.

00:38:09.760 Oh, we're definitely going to get into the addiction distraction in one second. But I want

00:38:14.520 to stay on the because I'm going to play what the administration is saying to defend all this

00:38:18.640 in a minute. But what we've learned from these whistleblowers is on the real meat of the Hunter

00:38:25.200 Biden case. The real reason the laptop was potentially interesting, to put it mildly,

00:38:30.600 was whether it exposed corruption by Joe Biden in connection with his son, whether they were doing

00:38:36.880 business deals in exchange for influence paddling. You know, why did they pay Hunter Biden all this

00:38:41.500 money? Fifty thousand dollars a month. This Ukrainian business that wasn't getting any expertise from him.

00:38:47.460 Why? It was because his last name was Biden. Well, what did Biden have to do with that?

00:38:51.300 If anything, was anything promised in exchange? Was anything done in exchange? Was that prosecutor

00:38:55.620 fired by Biden in Ukraine, which he admitted he did? But was it done for reasons connected to his

00:39:00.780 deals with Hunter? All those things that people want answers to, which would make this story

00:39:05.240 absolutely explosive and not just about somebody who lied about his taxes, which was a big deal,

00:39:10.160 by the way. People get prosecuted all the time for lying on their taxes repeatedly year after year.

00:39:14.200 He did. And the gun charge. And there's evidence from the whistleblowers that that exposes

00:39:20.300 some of the facts around this. Here's one. Among other things. This is, again, from Shapely.

00:39:25.960 Among other things, we wanted to question Hunter Biden's business partner, Rob Walker,

00:39:31.080 about an email that said 10 held by H for the big guy. Our audience is familiar with that phrase.

00:39:37.280 It's become sort of known. Bobulinski talked about it, too, that they were that Hunter Biden and his

00:39:42.500 business partner were doing some deal and that they're going to hold 10 percent for the big guy,

00:39:47.000 believed by many to be Joe Biden, showing that he had some stake in the deals that his son was doing.

00:39:52.220 He says, Shapely, we had obvious questions like who was H, who was the big guy and why this

00:39:58.340 percentage was to be held separately with the association hidden. But Shapely said assistant

00:40:03.500 U.S. attorney Leslie Wolf, again, same woman all over these documents. She's the assistant USA,

00:40:07.600 not the top dog, interjected and said she did not want to ask about the big guy and stated she did not

00:40:15.080 want to ask questions about, quote, dad. When multiple people in the room spoke up and objected

00:40:20.800 that we had to ask, she responded. There is no specific criminality to that line of questioning.

00:40:28.060 He repeatedly testified, Shapely did, that there were multiple times, that's a quote,

00:40:33.080 where Leslie Wolf said she did not want to ask questions about dad, which is how they referred

00:40:39.520 to Joe Biden. She shut it down at every turn. And now listen to how the administration

00:40:44.880 defends what's coming out. We'll get to the WhatsApp message, which is damning, too. It's it's one in

00:40:50.540 which Joe Hunter Biden basically says, I'm sitting right next to my dad and I want my money to the

00:40:55.460 Chinese. But listen to this exchange with John Kirby and James Rosen, who's now with Newsmax.

00:41:01.740 Does this not undermine the president's claim during the 2020 campaign and the reaffirmations

00:41:10.020 of that claim by his two press secretaries since then, that he never once discussed his son's

00:41:15.360 overseas business dealings with him? No, and I'm not going to comment further on this. I am not going

00:41:19.680 to address this issue from this podium. I'm just not going to do it. Thanks, guys. Have a great weekend.

00:41:24.020 And now here's Corrine Jean-Pierre in Sat 3. So Kirby wouldn't answer James's question,

00:41:31.820 though. Are you going to answer the question? I believe my colleague at the White House Council

00:41:35.800 has answered this question already. I just don't have anything to share outside of what my colleagues

00:41:41.100 have shared. Just not going to comment from here. You've stated that the president stands by his

00:41:46.560 comment from the 2020 campaign that he never once discussed his son's overseas business dealings

00:41:51.280 with his son. And you stood at that podium and you reaffirmed that. Do you stand by your

00:41:55.720 reaction? What I will say, nothing has changed. Was the president there or not? I would refer you to

00:42:01.440 my colleagues at the White House Council. Have you asked him whether he was there with his son

00:42:06.180 on July 30th? This is not a conversation that I've had with the president. Again, I would refer you to

00:42:10.840 the White House Council. I refer you to the Department of Justice on anything else if you don't want to

00:42:14.660 speak to the White House Council's office. So it's just a complete shutdown, Glenn. And elsewhere,

00:42:20.540 where they're saying, look, there's no evidence, there's no evidence he did anything. There's no

00:42:23.560 evidence that the president did anything wrong because there's been no investigation. That's

00:42:28.300 what the whistleblower is showing us. I think we need to go back to what I regard as one of the

00:42:35.880 greatest scandals on the part of the media in the last several decades, which is all of these questions

00:42:42.260 before the 2020 election were well known because The New York Post was able to get a hold of Hunter

00:42:48.700 Biden's laptop and on that laptop contained a lot of information, not about Hunter Biden, but about

00:42:54.760 Joe Biden, in particular, whether Joe Biden was participating in the attempt to profiteer both

00:43:00.460 in Ukraine and in China based on selling access to him and his name. And what happened was every

00:43:08.060 single time a reporter and it wasn't very often, but one time when a reporter asked Joe Biden about

00:43:13.140 that, it was Bo Erickson of CBS News on the tarmac during the campaign when Joe Biden had landed for

00:43:18.440 a campaign event, asked him about whether he actually was involved in these business deals.

00:43:23.940 Joe Biden called him basically a scumbag and a smear artist and essentially those words.

00:43:28.820 And the media sided with Biden against their own call. There were a few members of the press who said

00:43:34.680 he's just doing his job. But a lot of members of the media said Bo Erickson is serving as an agent of

00:43:40.420 the Kremlin by asking this information because you recall, of course, that they created a lie.

00:43:45.280 The CIA created a lie, passed it to Natasha Bertrand at Politico. And this became the claim they all made

00:43:50.680 that the information on that laptop was unreliable because it was Russian disinformation.

00:43:55.620 So every time a member of the press or Trump in the debates tried to ask Biden whether he was a

00:44:01.120 participant in these deals, he was allowed to get away with doing what they're now doing,

00:44:05.340 which is say, how dare you? I'm not going to answer. I'm proud of my son.

00:44:09.300 And this is Russian disinformation. Megan, every media outlet, practically every media outlet

00:44:15.720 endorsed the idea of the lie that that laptop was Russian disinformation. They now all admit

00:44:21.460 that the laptop was authentic all along. They've authenticated the contents of the laptop.

00:44:26.100 Not a single media outlet has gone back and said to our viewers, to our readers, we would like you

00:44:32.200 to know when we told you before the election, this is Russian disinformation. We got this completely

00:44:36.100 wrong and here's how it happened. None of them have retracted it. None of them have even admitted

00:44:39.960 it. And the reason the White House press secretary and Biden's highest officials believe they can get

00:44:46.380 away with basically sticking their middle finger up to journalists and the public wanting to know

00:44:50.660 if Biden participated in these deals is they know the media has already created this narrative that

00:44:56.400 even asking these questions is inappropriate. There will be no pressure at all from the media

00:45:01.380 for answers. Maybe they're now asking a little bit. You see in the White House press briefing room,

00:45:05.660 I'm not sure beyond the newspaper person James wrote to how much, where else that came from.

00:45:09.820 So it's good to hear at least some people demanding answers, but at least as of now,

00:45:13.560 they believe with good reason that the media will help them shut this all down.

00:45:19.180 I mean, there's much more to discuss. We'll take a break in a minute, but there's a lot more to get

00:45:23.400 into. But just while we're on the subject of The New York Times, you mentioned Nick Kristof,

00:45:27.400 who wrote this, you know, a tug at your heartstrings piece about how, oh, he's just an addict. And

00:45:32.200 really, this is a great opportunity for Joe Biden to be the next Betty Ford. I mean, he actually says

00:45:37.280 that and just sort of embrace the addiction problem and really help people. That's not what this is

00:45:42.020 about. But in his piece, he writes the following with the while the federal investigation appears to

00:45:46.860 be ongoing because that's what U.S. Attorney David Weiss has said, like, OK, we've got these this plea to

00:45:51.820 these misdemeanors. I mean, but we're still investigating everything, which is, again, just feels very much

00:45:56.120 like a fig leaf for not doing anything on the the meat of the actual charges that could be brought

00:46:02.220 here. He says, Kristof, while the federal investigation appears to be ongoing for now,

00:46:07.460 I see no clear evidence of wrongdoing by President Biden himself. No clear evidence of wrongdoing.

00:46:15.320 You know, one's looked into it, Nick. No one. The reason you see no clear evidence of wrongdoing is

00:46:20.880 because no one is asking these questions. The whistleblower from DOJ or from IRS has said

00:46:27.500 exactly that, that the U.S. attorney, the assistant U.S. attorney Wolf shut them down at every turn

00:46:32.740 and that Merrick Garland was essentially sticking his nose in to protect the president as soon as they

00:46:37.800 got on to any hot lead. Megan, you mentioned Tony Bobulinski earlier. I can promise you, I bet you

00:46:44.500 anything or anyone, any amount of money that if you ask most liberals who Tony Bobulinski is,

00:46:50.860 they will have no idea who that person is, even though Tony Bobulinski was a critical figure,

00:46:55.940 because before the 2020 election, when they were all claiming that this material was Russian

00:47:00.280 disinformation and therefore should be ignored, step forward and prove the material in the archive

00:47:05.000 was authentic because he could show in his phone the emails he got in real time and they match word

00:47:10.320 for word what was in the archive. And he also said before the election that the deal cheat for the

00:47:17.060 deal in China that Hunter Biden was pursuing with Jim Biden and with Tony Bobulinski as partners,

00:47:21.500 there was that phrase 10% for the big guy and everybody knew the 10% for the big guy was Joe Biden,

00:47:26.960 that he was going to get 10% of the deal profits from this, from this transaction. And as you say,

00:47:33.100 the reason why people like Nick Kristof say, I haven't seen any clear evidence of any wrongdoing

00:47:36.960 is because they prevented anyone from asking these questions by lying and saying that this was all

00:47:43.040 disinformation that it came from the Kremlin. Big tech censored the story from even circulating before

00:47:48.920 the election. And every time anybody goes to ask Joe Biden or raise these questions, people like Nick

00:47:54.680 Kristof in NPR, which did even worse, come forward and say any attempt to use Hunter Biden against Joe

00:48:01.040 Biden is an attempt to stigmatize addiction. Addiction. It's incredibly dishonest.

00:48:05.940 We're going to pick it up in two minutes. Don't go away.

00:48:11.400 Okay, so on the heels of all this, the whistleblower coming forward to say that this woman Weiss,

00:48:16.420 I'm sorry, this woman who works for Weiss was at every turn Wolf. Wolf is the woman. She works for

00:48:23.680 Weiss, who's the top dog in the Delaware U.S. Attorney's Office. And she, which presumably is

00:48:29.160 on behalf of her boss, David Weiss, who's in charge of the whole Hunter Biden investigation,

00:48:32.420 she's running around shutting down the investigation at every turn. Don't look into the dad,

00:48:35.940 that's not a line of criminal investigation. Don't ask about bribery. Don't ask about anything

00:48:39.740 in office, like nothing. So in the wake of these two whistleblowers coming forward saying these

00:48:44.940 charges against Hunter are BS, any private citizen would have been charged a lot more. And here's

00:48:49.800 why they're not more bulky. And here's why there's nothing in there about influence peddling.

00:48:53.140 I mean, they're revealing it all. We get this. One of the whistleblowers pointing us to a WhatsApp

00:48:59.660 message from July 2017. This WhatsApp message was sent by Hunter Biden to Henry Zhao, a Chinese

00:49:09.320 Communist Party official. And it reads as follows. I am sitting here with my father, and we would like

00:49:15.980 to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. Tell the director that I would like

00:49:21.440 to resolve this now before it gets out of hand. And now means tonight. And Z, if I get a call or a

00:49:27.140 text from anyone involved in this other than you, Zhang, or the chairman, I will make certain that

00:49:32.880 between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge,

00:49:38.560 that you will regret not following my direction. I am sitting here waiting for the call with my father.

00:49:45.440 So they want this Chinese Communist Party official to call them about the commitment made but not yet

00:49:51.780 fulfilled. And if he doesn't get it, he's going to make certain that Joe Biden and everyone he knows

00:49:58.000 will ensure that the Chinese regret not following Hunter's orders. So now at first we saw this,

00:50:05.300 Glenn, a lot of people said, let's just wait. We don't know whether that actually happened.

00:50:10.500 We haven't seen the WhatsApp. Like, who knows whether that's true or not? Well,

00:50:13.800 Hunter's lawyer weighs in. The guy's name is Chris Clark. He puts out a statement on Friday,

00:50:19.120 essentially admitting that it's real. That's really what he did, saying the DOJ investigation

00:50:23.500 covered a period. Here we go with the addiction, which was a time of turmoil and addiction from my

00:50:29.180 client. Any verifiable words or actions of my client in the midst of a horrible addiction

00:50:34.220 are solely his own and have no connection to anyone in his family. And he goes on to say this

00:50:40.880 whole thing's biased and politically motivated. That's rich. He says serious questions. Okay. A

00:50:48.260 close examination of the document released publicly yesterday by a very biased individual

00:50:51.620 raises serious questions over whether it is what he claims it to be. It is dangerously misleading to

00:50:58.900 make any conclusions or inferences based on the document. He does not say it's false. He does not

00:51:02.860 deny that it happened at all. He's just trying to throw a little stank on it so that it doesn't

00:51:08.600 resonate. And of course, it won't with the left anyway. But this is this is probably the most the

00:51:14.260 closest thing we have to a smoking gun where it's Hunter himself saying he's sitting next to Joe Biden,

00:51:19.420 who allegedly never even spoke to Hunter once about his foreign business dealings. That's what

00:51:24.420 he told us when he ran for president in 2020, who's sitting right there as he threatens the Chinese

00:51:31.120 Communist Party to give them a payment or the Bidens will make them pay. Put it in perspective for us.

00:51:37.460 Well, so let's take a look at what we know for sure, because as you say, that lawyer did not

00:51:43.980 deny the authenticity of that message. Although, as you say, he tried to like throw a little smoke

00:51:48.280 around it. It's exactly the same thing they tried to do when the laptop first emerged, which was

00:51:54.880 obviously there were people claiming that the laptop was inauthentic and was Russian disinformation.

00:52:01.600 But notably, Joe Biden and his son never once claimed that. So the first thing you do if you're

00:52:08.320 a real journalist is you go to the Hunter Biden and you ask him, is this authentically yours,

00:52:14.580 these messages on the and these documents on these this laptop? And he was allowed to get away with

00:52:19.280 saying, I don't know. It could be. I'm not sure. Which automatically, Megan, I can tell you as a

00:52:25.240 journalist who has worked with very large archives before and had to have that and had the burden of

00:52:28.980 having to authenticate them in order to stake your career on publishing them, that one of the very

00:52:34.360 first things you look for is whether the people whose messages you're reporting them to be deny it.

00:52:38.980 And if they don't, that's very strong proof that they're actually real. So in this case,

00:52:43.880 the lawyer is not denying it, as you said. And so what we know for sure is that Hunter Biden went

00:52:49.360 around all the time throwing his weight around and his father's weight around threatening people that

00:52:53.880 they needed to pay him. Otherwise, his father would take vengeance on them. That we know is true for

00:52:59.280 sure. The question is, was Joe Biden really sitting next to Hunter Biden at the time that Hunter Biden

00:53:05.120 set that message? Was Hunter Biden lying in order to get the money more quickly? I don't know the answer

00:53:10.740 to that. But what I do know is that there was obviously some context that the Chinese had to have

00:53:16.880 learned about or know about that where they believe Joe Biden was involved in the deal. Otherwise,

00:53:21.660 it would make no sense. How would that threat even be valuable to say my father sitting next to me?

00:53:26.880 They would say, what do you mean your father? What does your father have to do with this?

00:53:29.280 There was obviously a sense in the air that Joe Biden was involved in this deal and therefore would

00:53:33.460 be angry if they didn't respond with the money. Now the question becomes, you have to ask Joe Biden,

00:53:39.480 you have to ask Hunter Biden whether or not Biden was really there, whether he was involved in these

00:53:43.980 deals. And this is the thing the media doesn't want to do. The one other thing I'll say,

00:53:46.900 Megan, as you noted, the U.S. attorney has kind of said, oh, we're still investigating.

00:53:52.700 And the reason that caught my attention is because obviously the House Republicans should

00:53:56.420 subpoena Hunter Biden and ask him that question and a lot of other similar questions. And the

00:54:01.600 concern is now he could raise a Fifth Amendment self-incrimination privilege by saying, since

00:54:06.440 there's an ongoing investigation, I don't have to answer because I may incriminate myself.

00:54:10.940 It's perfect. It's actually really well done by Team Biden because you've got him pleading

00:54:15.280 guilty to these small misdemeanors, but he can't yet speak about the real meat of the case because

00:54:19.680 ongoing investigation. But none of us believes that the ongoing investigation will produce

00:54:23.780 any real charges against him. It's very well done. They're very smart. They're clever.

00:54:27.640 Whoever's advising them is giving them very good legal advice and political advice. But I want to

00:54:32.100 add an important piece to the story. So we have the WhatsApp message in which Hunter Biden

00:54:37.500 allegedly threatens the Chinese Communist Party pay up or you're going to get it. You're going to get

00:54:42.720 it not just from me, but from my dad. And it's a good point that we don't know whether Joe Biden

00:54:46.160 was, in fact, sitting next to him. Same way as in the Trump indictment case, when Trump allegedly

00:54:51.820 waved around a document saying, look, this is the this is the plan to attack Iran that Mark Milley gave

00:54:56.520 to me. We don't know whether that was, in fact, a classified plan to attack Iran that Mark Milley gave

00:55:02.920 him. He could have just been bluster. And this, too, could have been just bluster. We don't know.

00:55:06.680 But one month after this WhatsApp message, Hunter Biden got paid five million dollars by the Chinese.

00:55:15.340 It's pretty good evidence in a court of law that it was a conversation that happened, that he did

00:55:21.080 make a threat and that the Chinese did then pay. And I'll give you the actual reporting on all from Fox

00:55:27.620 News on August 4th, 2017. Again, this this WhatsApp message was June 12th, 2017. And we should discuss the

00:55:35.420 fact that it happened when he wasn't in office. Joe Biden was a private citizen at the time when

00:55:39.640 what that why that matters. But on August 4th, 2017, so it's two months later, the Chinese firm

00:55:45.400 CFC infrastructure investment wired one hundred thousand dollars to Hunter Biden's law firm,

00:55:51.800 according to a report published by Senate Homeland Security. Then days later, on August 8th, 2017,

00:55:58.000 CEFC infrastructure, the Chinese sent five million to a firm. Hunter Biden opened with Chinese

00:56:05.720 associates. The two transactions totaling five point one million came within 10 days of messages

00:56:11.380 uncovered on Thursday, thanks to the whistleblower, including this WhatsApp. So within 10 days of some

00:56:18.260 of the messages that he sent in within two months of this particular. Oh, you know, I need to correct

00:56:24.980 myself because I think that June 12th day is from a different different piece. So it was within 10

00:56:29.860 days of his threat that he got the payment within. It was worse than two months. It was within 10 days

00:56:34.020 that he got paid. And this is this looks terrible. It looks like him using the old man that they're

00:56:40.280 threatening to do something, obviously politically, because Joe Biden had no power as just a public

00:56:45.120 speaker in 17. The threat was he was recently the vice president. He's got close ties to the man who was

00:56:52.140 most recently the president. And he's the likely nominee to become the Democratic candidate for

00:56:58.360 president going forward. However, he wasn't actually in office when this whole thing went down. So how

00:57:04.140 does that affect the legality and the ethics of this whole thing? Well, I don't really I mean, it might

00:57:12.340 affect the legality in terms of Joe Biden selling access to himself. But in terms of the ethics, I don't

00:57:17.160 think it affects anything at all. First of all, I want to go back to the Burisma issue because

00:57:21.780 nobody believes even Democrats won't try and claim that Joe that Hunter Biden got $50,000 a month from

00:57:29.980 Burisma, which is a Ukrainian energy company in legal trouble, because they thought he had some kind of

00:57:34.540 expertise in like Eastern European energy. He had none. Obviously, that was an attempt to gain access to

00:57:40.660 his father's influence. And the reason this matters so much is because if you're usually let's say you're

00:57:45.340 an American company facing legal problems, you would want to pay the child of a of a powerful

00:57:50.680 American politician in order to help your problems. I think it's so notable that Ukraine, a Ukrainian

00:57:55.840 energy company didn't pay the child of a Ukrainian politician. They paid Joe Biden's son when he was

00:58:01.740 still vice president, because the reality was the United States was running Ukraine right on the other

00:58:06.180 side of the Russian border after Victoria Nuland picked that government. And Joe Biden was essentially

00:58:11.040 operating as the Imperial Council of of Ukraine. And it, I think, stretches credulity, the breaking

00:58:18.100 point to think that this sophisticated company was paying Hunter Biden $50,000 a month in order to get

00:58:23.340 favors from Joe Biden and never once got any favors that Joe Biden was completely unaware of this. And

00:58:28.940 somehow Hunter kept tricking them. So this is what I'm trying to say to Megan with regard to the payment

00:58:33.620 that Hunter Biden got. It wouldn't make any sense as a threat if there was no previous context to the

00:58:40.580 involvement of Joe Biden. Let's say you and I are negotiating. And out of nowhere, I say, hey, Megan,

00:58:46.200 if you don't pay me, I'm going to get Hillary Clinton to be really angry. You would say, what do

00:58:50.380 you mean? What does Hillary Clinton have to do with this deal? It would only make sense if you already

00:58:54.160 believed and if it was already true that Hillary Clinton was involved in the deal and also stood to

00:58:57.780 benefit. So it's very it's very compelling evidence that that threat worked. And the only reason

00:59:04.840 that threat would work is because Joe Biden was involved in the deal. As for not being a vice president at the

00:59:10.240 time, these people are incredibly powerful. I mean, Joe Biden was just the vice president.

00:59:15.740 He has connections to the entire top wing of the Democratic Party power structure of the U.S.

00:59:20.040 intelligence community. Everybody knew he was going to run in 2020. He was the likely presidential

00:59:24.400 front runner. He's still at enormous access. Maybe there are six months after he left the vice

00:59:29.160 presidency. Exactly. And so maybe there's some legal provisions about what you can do to sell access

00:59:34.240 while you're in office that don't apply once you're out of office. But as an ethical matter

00:59:38.160 and as an optics matter and there's a corruption matter, selling your political influence that way

00:59:43.760 to foreign countries, especially to U.S. adversary like China, is, of course, deeply disturbing,

00:59:48.720 which is why they're lying about it and hiding it. If they weren't if there weren't anything wrong with

00:59:52.900 it, they would admit it. And you wouldn't see this kind of attempt to first lie and say the

00:59:56.800 Hunter Biden laptop was most Russian disinformation. And now there's complete shutdown in this refusal to

01:00:01.640 answer. All right. I know it's complicated already, but I've got to add in the third element because

01:00:08.500 what we have now is the whistleblower from the IRS saying there was this WhatsApp exchange in the summer

01:00:14.700 of 17 talking about you pay me now, Chinese, or you're going to get it from me, the grudge holder

01:00:21.600 and my dad. And then a month later or 10 days later, he got paid $5.1 million. But go back a

01:00:29.340 little. That was summer of 17. Go back a little to when Joe Biden was still the sitting vice president

01:00:35.040 of the United States, because there's another story about alleged influence peddling and payments and

01:00:42.060 potential bribes from during that time that also involves the five million number. And I don't totally

01:00:49.280 understand how they all interact or whether these are separate payments and separate threats.

01:00:54.100 It hasn't been totally exposed. But we before I left for vacation, we're talking about how

01:00:59.700 the GOP controlled house right now was arguing with the FBI, threatening the FBI director that if he did

01:01:05.720 not submit this form 1023, which had a whistle, a different whistleblower coming forward saying,

01:01:12.360 I've got credible evidence of bribes by the then sitting vice president. If they did not let Congress

01:01:17.820 review that document at its leisure, have the document, be able to peruse the document. So

01:01:21.400 they were going to charge Chris Ray with contempt. Ultimately, they won that fight and they got the

01:01:26.020 1023 document to review. And you had this is when you had people like Nancy Mace, who she's the

01:01:32.660 opposite of a bomb thrower. She's a moderate Republican. She doesn't like Trump. She never

01:01:36.680 defends Trump. She comes out and says, what I saw is shocking and raises serious questions about

01:01:42.400 the integrity of the current president of the United States, Joe Biden. That's my paraphrase.

01:01:48.680 So this is before this WhatsApp message. And this to set the stage describes that 1023.

01:01:54.900 OK, it alleges that the then vice, the then vice president, Joe Biden.

01:01:59.800 This is before, you know, while he was still in office and Hunter Biden each received five million

01:02:05.200 as part of a bribery scheme, not with the Chinese, which allegedly happened in 17,

01:02:09.420 but as a bribery scheme with a Burisma executive with it. This is back to the Ukrainian firm.

01:02:16.440 That's what was alleged. The whistleblower emphasized it would have been relevant to

01:02:20.160 the investigation since they had email correspondence from a few years earlier than that than that

01:02:25.000 referencing a five million dollar payment. So what they're saying is even before the five million

01:02:29.000 from the Chinese in 17, there may have been five million and five million again to son and father

01:02:33.860 while he was the sitting vice president. This is the fact that we won't investigate,

01:02:39.420 this Glenn is an absolute outrage. Megan, and also let's remember that it isn't that there's

01:02:47.820 this abstract claim that they wanted favors from Joe Biden. We know that Joe Biden was aggressively

01:02:54.400 demanding that the Ukrainians fire that prosecutor and was threatening to withhold aid if they didn't.

01:03:01.360 Now, he bragged about it. Think about that. Yeah, exactly. So just think about this like the it's one

01:03:07.560 thing for the United States to put pressure on another government, especially one that we give

01:03:12.780 aid to to at the presidential level, real in human rights abuses. That's something you kind of expect

01:03:18.340 the United States to do or that at least it does all the time. Think about the level of micromanagement

01:03:22.940 that Joe Biden was doing in Ukraine that he had a specific prosecutor he wanted removed.

01:03:27.820 And of course, the claim is that was the EU view that this prosecutor wasn't doing enough about

01:03:32.780 corruption, but it just so happened to benefit the company that was paying Hunter Biden fifty

01:03:37.860 thousand dollars a month. And at the same time, there is an allegation that the Biden's got a five

01:03:44.400 million dollar bribe from Burisma that the FBI knew about and worked to conceal from the House

01:03:49.540 Oversight Committee. So, again, we don't know. Did they get that five million dollars as the

01:03:54.820 whistleblower alleged because none of these things are being investigated because they're

01:04:00.440 stonewalling it? The Republicans are trying, but the media is completely uninterested in these

01:04:05.440 questions. And there's so much smoke here that at some point there's got to be fire causing that smoke.

01:04:12.700 Here's Joe Biden's reaction to this. He was asked about the bribery allegations and it is soundbite six.

01:04:19.380 Are there tapes that you accepted bribes, President Biden? Is that true?

01:04:28.000 Would you comment on the arrest of the former president, sir?

01:04:33.800 OK, so he smiles, he laughs it off. And the reason he was being asked about tapes is yet another wrinkle

01:04:38.920 to this whole thing, where in which Senator Chuck Grassley on the Senate floor on Monday, June 12th,

01:04:44.140 I think it was. Yeah, said said that the person I think it's in that 1023, the foreign national who

01:04:52.380 allegedly bribed Joe and Hunter Biden allegedly has audio recordings of his conversations. So he's

01:04:59.960 claiming that back in that 1023 document in which a whistleblower came forward saying, you know, I've

01:05:05.100 got I've got this this person who we trusted came forward saying I've got proof that they took bribes.

01:05:10.840 Um, they're saying that there were audio recordings that the foreign national kept. The bribe payer has

01:05:17.140 them. Seventeen such recordings. This is a per Grassley. Um, according to that document, the 101023,

01:05:24.140 the foreign national possesses 15 audio recordings of phone calls between him and Hunter Biden and two

01:05:29.840 audio recordings of phone calls between him and then vice president Joe Biden. He goes on to say the

01:05:36.840 recordings were allegedly kept as a sort of insurance policy for the foreign national in case he got into

01:05:42.020 a tight spot. The Republicans admit they don't actually have the reportings. They cannot state

01:05:47.200 for a fact that they even, uh, you know, what exactly is on them. But Chuck Grassley says, I just know

01:05:53.820 they exist because of what this report says, but then kind of admits he doesn't know for a fact they

01:05:59.500 exist. He just believes that this man is saying it's true. Um, the foreign national claims he has

01:06:05.160 them. So Joe Biden laughs it off. And in any fair fight, what would happen here is the Biden team

01:06:09.780 would laugh and they would deny and the Republicans in the house. And now the Senate would investigate

01:06:15.060 and push for information. And the media would be a fair arbiter pushing for one thing, which is truth

01:06:21.840 instead of running defense for if, if all this stuff is true, this is the most, most corrupt president

01:06:28.880 in recent American history. I don't know how far we should go back, but certainly in recent American

01:06:33.380 history and that's saying something. Um, but the media is not honest and they're not in the search

01:06:38.180 of truth. They want us all to believe we're mean for wanting to know we're mean for not understanding

01:06:45.200 Hunter was an addict. We're the nasty ones for wanting real data. And it's not just the media.

01:06:50.160 It's well-known Democrats both in office and recently out here is former Senator Clara McCaskill

01:06:57.340 on MSNBC top five. I think Joe Biden has shown a wonderful role model to the country about

01:07:06.520 unconditional love. What, what do these jerks in the house want Joe Biden to do? Throw him out,

01:07:13.800 refuse to speak to him, say he doesn't love him publicly. Do they not understand this disease

01:07:19.780 and how it works? Hunter Biden has gone through recovery under the brightest lights imaginable.

01:07:25.980 Everybody needs to back off Joe Biden about this. He loves his son back off. It is okay for him to

01:07:33.880 love his son and there's nothing wrong with it. They have no evidence of any kind of wrongdoing by Joe

01:07:39.760 Biden. And it infuriates me that they're using this heartbreak against Joe Biden in this way. It's just

01:07:46.620 not right. Oh my God. I mean, oh my God, Glenn. These people are broken, Megan. I mean,

01:07:55.380 they're monstrous. I mean, to use addiction in that way and to pretend that that's the, okay.

01:08:03.280 I put a video on Twitter this weekend and there are so many more like them of Joe Biden at the floor of

01:08:09.100 the Senate standing up and talking about how proud he is of the fact that he and Strom Thurmond coauthored

01:08:15.820 multiple crime bills that made sure. And he boasted about this, that if you have a crack cocaine,

01:08:21.660 the size of a quarter, it doesn't matter how big it is. It can be totally small and clearly for your

01:08:26.840 personal use, because you're an addict, you will go to prison for five years. And they took away the

01:08:31.700 discretion of judges to consider a drug counseling program or a probation program. Joe Biden hasn't

01:08:38.740 cared about addiction one second of his life. Quite the contrary. He's the reason addicts go to prison

01:08:43.900 at such large numbers in the United States. And he didn't back away from those positions when Hunter

01:08:49.180 Biden went through his addiction problems. President Trump is the one who the first president

01:08:53.760 in decades to sign a criminal justice reform bill to make it less harsh on people who are addicts.

01:09:00.440 He worked with the ACLU to do it. And Joe Biden never had the slightest inkling to care about any of

01:09:06.940 this until it came time to have people like his allies, Claire McCaskill, you know, invoke this kind

01:09:12.360 of indignation that a lot of American families do sympathize with. No one's saying Joe Biden shouldn't

01:09:17.600 love his son. They're saying that Joe Biden should have to answer questions about whether he got bribes

01:09:21.860 and participated in this influence peddling. And look at how just cravenly and cynically they

01:09:27.740 exploit this question in order to protect Biden from those answers. Yes. Yes. So well said. That's

01:09:33.300 exactly it. It's infuriating. And that's his response to everything. I love my son. I'm proud of

01:09:38.740 my son. In a court of law, I would stand up and say objection, non-responsive. Now answer the question

01:09:44.160 I asked you, were you part of a bribery scheme? Did you take part in these discussions? Did you

01:09:48.400 receive any monies through Hunter or one of his associates from the following years? I love my son

01:09:54.200 and I'm proud of my son is non-responsive. It is irrelevant, as is Hunter's addiction. It wouldn't

01:10:01.180 save you or me from crimes we committed, and it cannot save him or his dad if they committed crimes

01:10:07.480 here. So you mentioned a minute ago about how the media has been complicit in covering up this

01:10:13.360 whole story dating back from the inception of the laptop being revealed by the New York Post. Big tech

01:10:19.220 working with the FBI and the CIA to tamp it down, to stop the circulation of the story, to dismiss what

01:10:25.160 was on the laptop as misinformation, disinformation from the Russians, and how from the beginning,

01:10:30.560 like this is MSNBC right now with Claire McCaskill, former senator, Democrat, saying, back off, back off.

01:10:36.060 But from the beginning, the media has been running this game. And you mentioned the interview. I refer you

01:10:39.800 back to CBS interviewing Hunter when he had the nerve to publish a book post-laptop. Remember

01:10:45.820 this exchange? Was that your laptop? For real? I don't know. I know, but you know that. I really

01:10:51.080 don't know if the answer is. You don't know, yes or no, if the laptop was yours. I don't have any idea.

01:10:55.980 I have no idea. So it could have been yours. Of course, certainly. There could be a laptop out

01:11:00.860 there that was stolen from me. It could be that I was hacked. It could be that it was Russian

01:11:06.180 intelligence. It could be that it was stolen from me. Look, I really don't know. And the fact of the

01:11:11.880 matter is it's a red herring. It is absolutely red herring. But I am absolutely, I think, within my

01:11:18.320 rights to question anything that comes from the from the desk of Rudy Giuliani. And so I don't know

01:11:26.400 is the answer. They let him get away with it then, and they're determined to let him get away with it

01:11:34.080 now. I mean, you what I think is so interesting about those clips is it shows how sociopathically

01:11:44.340 Hunter Biden is willing to lie with or without addiction. The fact that he didn't know that

01:11:50.780 those emails were authentic is such a blatant lie. For one thing, you could have just gone and checked

01:11:56.080 your email accounts just because you lose your physical laptop doesn't mean you don't have access

01:12:00.280 to your email accounts. He had business partners who received those emails in real time who also

01:12:05.040 could have confirmed that those were his. You maybe not you maybe you don't remember every last trivial

01:12:10.060 email that you wrote to somebody. But of course, you know, the significant ones that you've written

01:12:14.240 about major business deals where you got paid five million dollars. Of course, this is the other

01:12:19.840 thing I think is so important, Megan, is as part of this IRS whistleblower whistleblowers coming

01:12:25.700 forward. They acknowledge or they demonstrated that the FBI was aware since twenty nineteen about

01:12:31.600 the authenticity of the laptop. So well, almost a year before the CIA started lying through Natasha

01:12:36.960 Bertrand saying that this is Russian disinformation. The FBI already knew about this laptop, was using it

01:12:42.140 as part of their investigation and had already concluded that it was authentic and then allowed

01:12:46.540 every major power center in the United States to unite and lie two weeks before the election to try and

01:12:52.680 prevent or give Joe Biden a reason not to have to answer these questions. So it is the lying that

01:12:58.280 gets done in the ease with which they do it is just so striking. There it is. So what they've been

01:13:03.760 telling us all along is a hundred Biden laptop. Is it really going to change the election? I mean,

01:13:08.740 like, who cares? He's like a hot mess. Hunter Biden with hookers and drugs. And we knew his hot mess.

01:13:15.520 This is just like extra. As the kids would say, this shows he's an extra hot mess.

01:13:20.220 But it's there's so much more on there. Right. It's if you dig deep and you start digging and

01:13:26.600 digging and maybe if we had launched an investigation at the time, we would have had

01:13:29.300 whistleblowers to come forward because all this 1023 stuff had happened long before then.

01:13:33.680 And, you know, so on. Maybe it would have changed hearts and minds. If this guy's as corrupt as

01:13:38.460 it, it smells from these allegations, which are unproven. And we need we need more. What we're asking for

01:13:43.980 is a full investigation. People might care. Right. But all along, it's there's no there there.

01:13:49.020 It's a bunch of B.S. And the suppression of it once we found out it wasn't B.S. was irrelevant.

01:13:54.780 It didn't change hearts or minds. It wouldn't have moved the needle in the election. And now

01:13:58.320 that we're into really the nitty gritty of it, Glenn, people need to pause and really ask

01:14:03.040 themselves whether they can honestly say that. Megan, this is a very closely contested election.

01:14:09.640 It was decided by roughly 70 or 80 thousand votes in a handful of swing states. And this is the

01:14:15.460 question I've always had for the people who claim there's nothing on the laptop that's

01:14:18.600 incriminating and that would have changed votes, which obviously you'll never know the answer to

01:14:21.580 that counterfactual. But my question always is, if it's true that there's nothing on this laptop

01:14:26.540 that would have changed anybody's mind, why is it that people in the CIA, former intelligence

01:14:31.960 officials concocted this lie that it was Russian disinformation? Why did the corporate media

01:14:37.240 unite to spread that lie? And then why did Facebook and Twitter, Facebook through a lifelong

01:14:42.940 Democratic Party operative named Andy Stone, who used to work for Nancy Pelosi? Why did they

01:14:47.060 suppress the story? If nothing, if there was nothing on this laptop that mattered, if it was

01:14:51.740 also trivial, they certainly went to a very extreme length to try and hide something that made no

01:14:56.740 difference. The president was just asked by Jackie Henrich of Fox News again today. The following

01:15:07.300 question, did you lie about never speaking with Hunter about his business deals? Biden replied

01:15:13.520 flatly, no. She followed up by asking, did you ever speak with Hunter about his business deals? It was

01:15:20.000 unclear if the president responded as another reporter shouted a question toward Mr. Biden. He's going to

01:15:25.320 continue denying it. And we're not going to get to the bottom of it without these House Republicans

01:15:29.940 and ideally the media following up and publishing what the House Republicans find. How does the

01:15:37.020 American people find out what these House Republicans are doing if it's not in the morning

01:15:41.920 paper, if it's not in the morning news, if it's not in the evening news, if it's not all over social

01:15:45.600 media? How do they learn about it? They they shouldn't have to work this hard to find out what's

01:15:51.080 happening with the alleged corruption of our sitting commander in chief. Much more to discuss with Glenn

01:15:56.140 after this quick break. Glenn, let's talk for a minute about what just happened in Russia. It was crazy

01:16:04.040 because I'm getting ready to come home on my flight from France and it looks like there's civil war

01:16:09.220 breaking out inside Russia. And, you know, I I've interviewed Vladimir Putin three times. I was in Russia

01:16:16.220 a couple of times in the past few years. I knew enough not to tweet. That's the best thing I can say for

01:16:23.940 myself, but I think it's significant. I knew enough to keep my mouth shut and my thumbs quiet

01:16:29.440 because who the hell knows? Right. Like what exactly is happening? Who knows what's being fed to

01:16:35.580 us? That's true and not true. Who's pulling the strings and all that stuff. So but I love the

01:16:40.540 certainty with which so many people ran to Twitter to try to tell us exactly what was happening. And it

01:16:47.420 always to a man would just confirm their priors. Right. Like I told you all along he was going to he's

01:16:52.940 going to go down and then we're going to win that war in Ukraine, whatever. It turns out before it

01:16:57.720 had even really gotten started, this guy who used to be Putin's caterer, but has rose, has risen to

01:17:04.220 prominence as the head of this sort of militia group that Putin has been controlling some twenty five

01:17:09.420 thousand strong. The Wagner like Wagner group. This guy was ticked off and had taken a city and was

01:17:18.700 marching towards Moscow and had quickly thereafter reached some sort of a deal with Putin that stood

01:17:24.100 the whole thing down. So it was kind of over just as soon as it started. But what do you make of it

01:17:29.660 and how people in the media reacted in the thirty six hours it was alive? So anytime there's a war,

01:17:37.480 each participant in the war uses propaganda, including lies in order to demoralize the other

01:17:44.160 side to sow confusion. This is every single government and every single war that's ever

01:17:48.720 been fought has done that. The Ukrainian narrative immediately became this shows that Vladimir Putin

01:17:56.140 is an extremely weakened position. They were claiming that he was and he and his associates were fleeing

01:18:03.400 Moscow on private planes, trying to go to Kazakhstan or Turkey. In other words, they were creating the

01:18:09.260 narrative that you would expect the Ukrainian government to create, which was that this shows that Russia

01:18:13.080 was in complete turmoil, that the Russian leadership was in grave jeopardy and in grave peril.

01:18:19.140 In almost record time, everybody in the corporate media who already is big cheerleaders for and

01:18:27.320 boosters of the U.S. role in that proxy war started adopting that very same narrative, just retweeting

01:18:34.120 unverified reports, spreading all kinds of fake news. I did my program on Friday night. We go live at

01:18:42.500 7 p.m. And it happened maybe an hour or two before my program. I was preparing my program. I didn't

01:18:47.900 see much of it. I woke up Saturday morning to all these people demanding, complaining that I hadn't

01:18:51.740 commented on it as though it was somehow a proof that my position was wrong in opposing the U.S.

01:18:57.920 war in the U.S. proxy war in the in Ukraine. And my view was this is an incredibly complex event.

01:19:03.060 It's on the other side of the world. It's between very murky and sketchy people.

01:19:06.600 And nobody should be opining definitively about what happened because nobody actually knows.

01:19:12.000 And yet, as you say, the narrative they were endorsing, and you can see it all over Twitter,

01:19:16.620 it went completely viral, were claims that turned out to be totally untrue. The idea that a 25,000

01:19:22.420 person mercenary group is going to be able to topple Vladimir Putin in Moscow, in the Kremlin,

01:19:27.680 one of the most fortified cities on the planet, with an army of hundreds of thousands of people,

01:19:32.680 was laughable to begin with. And of course, the leader of the Wagner group knew that and

01:19:37.880 immediately backed down because they gave him an alternative to go to Belarus and have exile there

01:19:42.240 and not be charged. And his mercenary forces, who are mercenary forces, they don't want to die for a

01:19:47.600 cause. They want to make money, turned around and went back to Ukraine. But the irresponsibility and

01:19:53.040 the recklessness with which the media spread these propagandistic claims shows, and this is really a

01:19:58.880 problem that the media is on the side of the United States government and Joe Biden when it comes to

01:20:02.880 Ukraine, which is fine. They have the right to be that. But they'll just act like the Ukrainian

01:20:07.760 government and thinking their role is to spread propaganda instead of trying to discern, to separate

01:20:13.340 back from fiction. I always laugh because every time they talk about regime change in Russia,

01:20:19.900 they talk about the potential successor to Putin as though he's going to be Jed Bartlett of the West

01:20:25.560 Wing. Hello, this guy, Yevgeny Prigozian, not Jed Bartlett. Be careful. You don't know what you're

01:20:33.620 getting. So, yeah, they were disappointed once again. Jed Bartlett is not taking over as the new

01:20:38.800 leader of Russia. We're still looking at Vladimir Putin. I've been in the Kremlin. It's a crazy place.

01:20:44.400 It's actually quite beautiful. It's incredibly secure. The Kremlin's beautiful. Yeah, it's incredibly

01:20:50.280 secure. My second thought in watching the whole thing unfold was, my God, Tara Reid has bad timing.

01:20:54.980 What was she of all times to leave for Russia? This is not it. OK, let's move on because there's a lot

01:21:02.600 to discuss. We've been on this subject of the media for a lot of this conversation. Fox News made news

01:21:08.140 this morning by announcing a new lineup in the wake of Tucker Carlson's departure. Well, he's not

01:21:14.000 departed. He's still working there technically, but he's been booted off of his 8 p.m. show and the

01:21:19.140 backlash continues. The ratings remain in the toilet. The new lineup will be Laura Ingram moves from 10 p.m.

01:21:24.420 to 7 p.m. Jesse Waters takes over at 8 p.m. He's currently at 7, which is kind of interesting

01:21:30.040 because he used to be O'Reilly's producer running around doing confrontational videos when

01:21:34.220 O'Reilly hosted the 8. Hannity stays at 9, so Drudge got that wrong. Greg Gutfeld moves from 11 to 10

01:21:42.180 and Trace Gallagher moves to the 11 o'clock news spot. So this is them saying they think Jesse Waters is

01:21:50.180 a solution to winning back their audience that they lost when Tucker left. Do you agree?

01:21:56.200 No. And, you know, I like Jesse. I like Laura a lot. I'm friends with a lot of people over there.

01:22:01.960 I've been on all their shows. I think the reality, though, is the following, which is that there is a

01:22:07.540 obviously significant ideological split within the Republican Party, unlike anything in the Democratic

01:22:14.300 Party that Donald Trump first exposed when he ran against Reagan, Bush, Cheney, foreign policy,

01:22:19.520 and even Reagan economics. Tucker spent at least half of his show, if not more, not attacking Nancy

01:22:26.880 Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, but attacking the GOP establishment. When Tucker was fired, the Republican

01:22:33.040 establishment celebrated because they talked about how difficult he was making their life because they

01:22:37.460 want to support the war in Ukraine. They want to support tax break for corporations. And Tucker started

01:22:42.300 representing this populist strain of ideology that the Murdochs most definitely do not support.

01:22:47.140 And they removed somebody who was popular in part because he's so good at television, but also

01:22:52.200 because he was espousing a different kind of ideology than Republican and conservative audience are

01:22:57.780 accustomed to hearing. And that was obviously a big part of his appeal. And there is nobody else

01:23:02.700 doing that over there. And, you know, Jesse and Laura are both kind of opposed to the war in Ukraine,

01:23:08.660 but nowhere near the level that Tucker was articulating this alternative vision for what

01:23:13.520 conservative politics should be that aligns more with Trump than any other politician.

01:23:17.460 I think it's going to be almost impossible to replace. And because I think Fox's audience feels

01:23:21.980 very betrayed, not just that Tucker was booted off, but was so unceremoniously and disrespectfully

01:23:28.500 booted off. And then they got kind of went to war with Tucker. I think a lot of people lost faith in

01:23:32.700 Fox News as an institution and that faith isn't coming back no matter who you put there.

01:23:36.560 I completely agree with everything you just said. It's just that they're forgive me,

01:23:41.880 but they are rearranging the deck chairs. It's that's what's happening. It's it's going down.

01:23:46.440 It's been going down for a long time. They took a massive risk in getting rid of their one unique

01:23:50.480 draw. Again, with respect to those who are there, there was no one like Tucker and there won't be.

01:23:55.080 I mean, he's just a unique voice in the American conversation. People resonate. It resonated with

01:24:00.220 people, his message and continues to. They're following him now on Twitter, which is where he is

01:24:04.720 temporarily while he fights Fox News. And now they're in court challenging his ability to do

01:24:08.820 even that. And the audience there, it's not just their anger over Tucker. It's just it's it's all

01:24:16.380 of it. It's the disrespect that Fox has shown them. It's how Fox won't even explain itself.

01:24:21.660 It hasn't had just a basic modicum of decency in dealing with their number one star or their audience

01:24:27.480 or their audience. And I mean, I hear from these people every day. They write into the show,

01:24:30.860 they write on YouTube and they say how over they are. Fox News, the audience fled and it hasn't

01:24:35.260 come back. Some went to Newsmax. The rest went online. I'm sure you're getting some. I'm getting

01:24:39.040 some folks tuning into this show. They've discovered a new medium and a new way of of taking in the news,

01:24:44.560 which was already a massive threat to Fox even more so now. So moving Jesse to eight is not going

01:24:51.260 to do it. Good luck to them. OK, let's let's move on. The pride events. The name has become ironic.

01:24:58.800 There's nothing to be proud of when you see what is happening from Seattle to New York at these so

01:25:05.820 called pride events. Now, I have been around long enough and living in New York City for nearly two

01:25:10.720 decades to know the pride events have typically been a little raunchy. It's not like they were always

01:25:15.640 like attending the Queen's Tea and now suddenly they've gone off the rails, but they've taken it

01:25:20.760 next level, Glenn, next level. And before I show you what's happening in Seattle, I promise the audience

01:25:26.600 this in my opening. And I must tell you what I've seen in America in this videotape that's coming out

01:25:32.160 right now in Seattle, in New York. It reminds me of what I saw in San Tropez in the city of France.

01:25:39.380 Let me walk. It's a that's a country that loves nudity. It loves nudity, but it doesn't like show up

01:25:45.160 in a parade. It just shows up on the beach. I'm going to give you one video. Brace yourselves at home,

01:25:50.260 folks. This is on the beaches of San Tropez, which is known as sort of as a part. Look at this man.

01:25:53.700 Yeah. Look, we've put a little white circle around his bottom, but it's like an overweight man,

01:25:59.520 probably in his mid 70s, walking along the beach with it all hanging out. It's not just the old.

01:26:05.140 I must point out very weathered breasts that you see on the women. I mean, the breasts that the

01:26:08.880 women choose to show have seen like 70 years of sunshine. It doesn't doesn't end well, ladies.

01:26:13.400 Keep them undercover. OK, keep them undercover. It's always the naked man from head to toe.

01:26:17.600 And it's always somebody you don't want to see. It's not like, you know, I don't know,

01:26:20.720 Tom Brady running down the, you know, or like it's one of the guys from Baywatch running. No,

01:26:25.100 it's always somebody who's unattractive, overweight, who wants to show you his penis,

01:26:29.300 which leads me to my first encounter with nudity in France, again, in San Tropez, Glenn,

01:26:35.860 when Doug and I decided we would take a sauna and they said it was coed. So I knew, OK, I may

01:26:41.120 potentially see men in there. And I thought it might be fun to go in with Doug. What are you never get to

01:26:45.880 do that? Really? Here in the States that much. We walk into the sauna and I am telling you,

01:26:51.620 full, full frontal. There was Abby's laughing. There was a man. He was probably 76 years old.

01:26:58.900 I'm guessing around there. I mean, totally naked. His penis was flayed out. It was flopped out on his

01:27:06.000 leg. And then his wife, who was I mean, she had to be charitably like a size 29 or 30. I don't know.

01:27:13.660 But every role, every, every, everything exposed. And Doug and I are trying to squeeze ourselves

01:27:20.900 into the middle, being as like not close to anybody's genitals as we could possibly and

01:27:26.420 trying not to make eye contact. Right. Thank you for the love of God. Get us out of here. You can't

01:27:30.900 just walk out immediately. Like, I don't want to offend them. I'm not like naming them here. You

01:27:34.920 know who you are. But it was so uncomfortable. And that leads me to what's happening here in America,

01:27:41.420 which is open penis showing at the pride parades, like in Seattle. Here's the video for the listening

01:27:50.640 audience. It's several men totally naked on bikes, waving. Oh, they wear helmets, though.

01:27:56.760 They cover that head waving. And this would be kind of funny if you didn't see many children

01:28:04.200 in the other shots of the parade, Glenn. So what the hell is happening with pride?

01:28:10.120 Yeah. You know, look, I mean, the gay and lesbian movement was an important part of my life. It's

01:28:14.420 what enabled me to be legally married. It was something I supported for a long time. And the

01:28:18.220 linchpin of it is something that not only I believe, but that most Americans ended up believing

01:28:23.740 there was a cultural consensus in the United States. And it was based on the principle that

01:28:28.000 adults have the right to live their lives in whatever way they think will bring them the

01:28:32.300 most self-actualization and that a healthy, decent society facilitates that freedom and doesn't

01:28:37.600 impede it. And if you look at polling down in 2015, most Americans favored same-sex marriage,

01:28:43.100 even young conservatives. And even people had no problem with trans adults. They thought trans

01:28:48.560 people should have basic legal protections. They shouldn't be kicked out of their apartments. They

01:28:52.100 shouldn't be fired from their jobs. All of that has unraveled because the LGBTQIA plus two movement

01:29:01.400 or whatever acronym you prefer has basically waged a war on that principle. They were people chanting

01:29:08.240 in the streets. We're coming for your children. The San Francisco gay men's chorus sung a song that

01:29:14.420 said, we're coming for your children. They want to indoctrinate people's children. They're claiming

01:29:18.760 that you are required to get certain trans-affirming treatment for your children if they identify as

01:29:24.300 trans, even if you don't want them to, and that you could be deemed guilty of child abuse and have

01:29:28.060 your children taken away if you don't. The whole movement has transformed from one,

01:29:32.320 we want to be left alone and live our lives the way we want, to know actually we want to control

01:29:36.440 your lives too and make your kids think what we want them to think and even influence the way they

01:29:41.840 grow up. And this has unraveled that consensus. And this is all part of it. This is a movement that

01:29:46.860 was once a marginalized community in the United States, didn't have much power, had to hide,

01:29:51.020 was genuinely persecuted. They now have every institution of power on their side. They know it. And it's

01:29:56.900 become a bullying movement. And this idea that we're going to go out into the streets publicly

01:30:01.120 in front of your kids and be fully naked and sexualize that nudity and you can't do anything

01:30:06.100 about it is the mentality of a movement that believes in this case, good with good reason

01:30:11.060 that they are now sort of the majority that they have the power and they're using it in ways that

01:30:15.600 are very self-destructive. Mm hmm. I mean, the problem is, too, on top of the nudity, there's always

01:30:21.560 like an element of bondage, some sort of sexual fetishization, something to take it next level

01:30:27.780 for your child. It's like my kids were actually not with me in that video that I showed where we

01:30:32.660 saw the naked man on the beach. That was the day we were with the Cardones. But like adding the

01:30:38.520 intentional sexuality to it takes it next level and makes it more problematic than just having to

01:30:44.480 catch a glimpse of a naked person. Neither is ideal for the young guys, but the second is even more so.

01:30:50.440 You talk about the bullying. This video out of New York City Pride event where an anti

01:30:56.600 trans rights activator activist, I don't want to call her that because it's really

01:31:01.660 she's a pro woman's advocate. She's there standing up for women's rights. She went in the middle of

01:31:07.940 the belly of the beast with a sign. That's it. She wasn't looking at people like she was looking

01:31:11.720 to get punched. No, she was not. She was trying to make her message heard at the very place where the

01:31:16.560 the protesters were. When Antifa shows up, when the parents are protesting out of a California school

01:31:21.500 over inappropriate sexual content for children, does the left blame Antifa saying you shouldn't

01:31:26.100 have showed up? No, they embrace them. But one person shows up at this pride thing where it's

01:31:30.040 all about the trans movement. It's not about LGB. And look what happens to her. Watch this.

01:31:35.560 Sot 15.

01:31:37.040 I Don't try to studying! Stop touching me! Stop touching me! Stop touching me! Stop touching me!

01:31:57.520 You say bullying and I see the tolerant far left.

01:32:16.900 Yeah, it makes me sick. You know, I mean, protest is a constitutional right in the United States.

01:32:22.860 It's always been part of the fabric of the United States. I've never cared

01:32:27.320 if, you know, people don't believe that the law should recognize same-sex marriage. That's

01:32:33.860 their right to believe it. All I care about is whether the law provides it. And this idea that

01:32:38.320 it's not enough to have full legal protection, that you are now going to demand that everybody

01:32:43.420 recite the pieties that you believe in, which is exactly what that is, that, you know, we can't

01:32:48.820 accept the fact that there's even one person who doesn't disagree, who disagrees with our dogma

01:32:52.780 and the cheering about that person getting beaten and attacked violently when they were peacefully

01:32:57.220 protesting, is the kind of mentality that, you know, does come from this idea that we're the

01:33:02.700 ones who now have the power and we're not longer about getting equality for ourselves or winning

01:33:07.700 the right for adults to live our lives freely. But instead, we're going to force you and your

01:33:12.160 children to think the way that we want. We will use force of every kind. If you don't,

01:33:17.560 that's the part that's becoming extremely repellent to me.

01:33:20.120 Hmm. And the children, too. I mean, it's working because now we have an epidemic of children

01:33:25.020 identifying as trans who are not trans, who are getting on board some social contagion,

01:33:29.280 as evidenced by the free press run by our friend Barry Weiss, sending a reporter out to an L.A.

01:33:36.160 Pride event and caught a bit of this. Watch.

01:33:38.880 I'm pansexual and non-binary. How old are you? Ten and a half. You're ten and a half? Yeah.

01:33:47.760 She's pretty confident. And you're pansexual? Yes. You'll go to bed with anyone? Yes. I'm pansexual.

01:33:54.300 I'm pansexual. Why aren't you on the pansexual bandwagon? Why are you calling yourself bi?

01:33:58.580 I think bisexual is sexier. Pride was once an act of transgression.

01:34:02.160 Yeah. You get you get the gist, Glenn. So there you hear a 10 year old who's pansexual doesn't

01:34:07.260 even know what that means, I guarantee. And of course, is also trans.

01:34:12.480 I mean, obviously, it has become the source of pride for liberal parents to be able to show off

01:34:17.640 their kids and have this kind of identity that they get to prove to their friends they're supportive of.

01:34:22.580 It's kind of like this social status. And at the same time, the gold standard in the United States

01:34:28.600 is victimhood is a marginalized identity. So you have all these people who have done who just

01:34:33.860 invented and who are encouraging their kids at an extremely young age to do so. That is demented,

01:34:39.920 Megan. It really is. And it has nothing to do with the original movement on which on whose backs

01:34:45.620 they claim to be building. It's the exact opposite. The ethos was autonomy for adults, not indoctrination

01:34:52.380 for children. Absolutely. It's disgusting what they've done. And it's great to see so many voices

01:34:58.580 in the LGB community starting to speak out more about this nonsense. It's great to see you,

01:35:05.480 Glenn Greenwald. All the best to you. Thanks for being with us today.

01:35:08.540 Always a pleasure, Megan. Thank you.

01:35:10.560 Want to tell you our friends from Ruthless join us tomorrow. Look forward to speaking to you all then.

01:35:14.540 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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What Bombshell Hunter Biden Message Reveals, and Trump vs. Biden Hypocrisy From Left and Media, with Glenn Greenwald ｜ Ep. 575

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