The Megyn Kelly Show - What Happens Now with Comey and Letitia, Absurd Couric Comments, and J.Lo’s Revealing Outfit, w⧸ Aronberg, Davis, and Benny Johnson ｜ Ep. 1201

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00:00:56.060 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:04.000 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:13.080 We've got a big show for you today.

00:01:14.380 Benny Johnson will be here with the latest on Senator Mark Kelly under investigation over that video

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00:01:25.340 Plus, Jen Psaki is complaining about the press being soft on Trump.

00:01:29.660 Okay, that's the issue. Yes, it's the press is too soft on Trump.

00:01:35.160 But first, we have got to discuss this, what happened yesterday.

00:01:39.540 A Clinton-appointed judge dismissing both indictments against James Comey and Letitia James,

00:01:45.100 finding that Trump prosecutor Lindsey Halligan was improperly appointed.

00:01:49.940 That sounds like a major victory for Comey and Tish James, but we took a closer look at the cases,

00:01:54.240 and both Comey and James should not be celebrating quite yet because this thing is far from over.

00:02:00.660 To help us dive into this, we're going to bring in two of our favorites, Dave Ehrenberg,

00:02:03.860 former state attorney for Palm Beach County, Florida, and now managing partner of Dave Ehrenberg Law

00:02:08.300 and MK True Crime contributor, and Mike Davis, who's founder and president of the Article 3 Project.

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00:03:19.500 Guys, welcome.

00:03:21.120 Great to be back with you, Megan.

00:03:22.960 Yeah, great to see you.

00:03:24.140 So, if you watch anything on the mainstream media, they would tell you this is a complete victory for Comey and Tish James.

00:03:30.560 I realize it is good news for today, very good news.

00:03:33.100 But not quite so fast, necessarily, because, Mike Davis, why don't you outline for us what the court did here and what's going to happen next?

00:03:44.840 Yeah, there is overwhelming evidence that James Comey lied to the Senate and obstructed a congressional investigation as it relates to Crossfire Hurricane, the biggest scandal in American history, where Democrats politicized and weaponized intel agencies and law enforcement to take out their political enemies.

00:04:07.060 The prior interim U.S. Attorney, who was on 120-day appointment, refused to bring the indictment against Comey.

00:04:16.160 He also refused to bring an indictment against New York Attorney General Tish James, where there is overwhelming evidence that she committed bank fraud when she lied on her mortgage application for an investment property in Virginia instead of a second home.

00:04:32.500 So, she got more favorable rates, so she got more favorable rates, higher risk.

00:04:36.320 Lindsay Halligan got appointed as the next U.S. Attorney and interim U.S. Attorney by the Attorney General.

00:04:44.480 She sought indictments against both Comey and Big Tish James.

00:04:49.400 She secured those indictments with a Democrat-controlled grand jury in the suburbs of Washington, D.C.

00:04:56.880 Certainly not a rubber stamp, because this grand jury also rejected the more serious perjury charge against James Comey.

00:05:04.080 They brought false statements and obstruction charges against him, but rejected the third perjury charge.

00:05:09.620 So, not a rubber stamp.

00:05:10.920 And again, a D.C. suburban grand jury of Democrats brought these charges.

00:05:16.240 So, what did both Tish James and James Comey do?

00:05:20.380 They filed many motions to dismiss, many motions to derail these prosecutions.

00:05:26.980 So, Lindsay Halligan showed the receipts. 0.94

00:05:29.840 But, but, the specific issue at order here is an interesting one.

00:05:35.740 I'll shift it over to you, Dave.

00:05:37.780 There is a statute that says when you don't have like a permanent U.S. attorney installed, that the attorney general can install one, and it says for 120 days.

00:05:49.680 And then it suggests that after that 120 days, a district court may appoint someone to the position.

00:05:59.520 And the question here is whether only a district court judge may appoint someone to the position after the first 120 days, which has expired.

00:06:11.540 And the question is whether, since it was A.G. Bondi who put Lindsay Halligan in that position, after the temporary Trump A.G., the guy who was just holding the post until Bondi got confirmed, he appointed Siebert.

00:06:25.940 Then Siebert walked.

00:06:28.760 Siebert got, I think, Siebert lived out his first 120 days.

00:06:32.440 He got reappointed by the judges of the district to continue.

00:06:36.260 And then he either quit or was fired.

00:06:39.700 Doesn't really matter.

00:06:40.740 But the appointment of Lindsay Halligan was made by the A.G.

00:06:45.040 So, it kind of went A.G. appointment, judge appointment, A.G. appointment.

00:06:48.540 And now, Tish James and James Comey are arguing A.G. Bondi did not have the right to appoint a successor.

00:06:54.780 In other words, after that 120-day period of the initial appointment expires, only judges can appoint subsequent U.S. attorneys.

00:07:04.660 Which I have to say, Dave, seems completely wrong to me.

00:07:08.800 I just, there is no way that that is what Congress intended in enacting this statute.

00:07:13.080 It would take the powers of appointment away from the executive branch and give them to the judiciary, which makes zero, zero sense.

00:07:21.200 Well, Megan, it's good to be back with you and my friend Mike.

00:07:25.600 It's not just the judges, though.

00:07:27.120 The president can still appoint a U.S. attorney.

00:07:30.740 That person just has to get confirmed by the Senate, the whole advice and consent thing.

00:07:35.340 And so, what you can't do is that you can't appoint someone for the 120 days and they overstay their 120 days and then replace them with another acting U.S. attorney for another 120 days or else the appointments clause and the statute means nothing.

00:07:51.880 Because then the president and the attorney general can just appoint one after the next after the next without ever having the U.S. attorney confirmed by the U.S. Senate.

00:08:03.060 And so, that's the issue here and that's something that Judge Curry brought up.

00:08:06.580 And by the way, the amendments to this law that says that the judges get to decide, that was passed after the whole Alberto Gonzalez U.S. attorney scandal where it became politicized in 2006 under George W. Bush.

00:08:20.880 And so, the amendment was passed in 2007 in response to that.

00:08:25.100 And it was designed to limit executive branch power.

00:08:28.520 But, Mike, what the statute says, it's 28 U.S. Code 546 on vacancies, is except as provided in subsection B, the attorney general may appoint a U.S. attorney for the district that's vacant.

00:08:41.700 Subsection B is the only subsection for which the attorney general may not appoint the U.S. attorney.

00:08:46.960 What does subsection B say?

00:08:48.100 It says the attorney general can't do this if the Senate has already refused to give advice and consent on this person.

00:08:55.380 That's not this case.

00:08:57.040 The Senate has not refused to do advice and consent on Lindsey Halligan.

00:09:00.980 So, the one exception in the statute to Bondi's ability to do this is not met.

00:09:06.760 Then, when it goes on to talk about the judges, it says, if an appointment expires, the district court for such district may appoint a U.S. attorney to serve until the vacancy is filled.

00:09:19.020 And the question here is whether that is an exclusive authority by the district judge or a concurrent one.

00:09:26.620 Like, they can do it or A.G. Bondi could do it.

00:09:31.240 And A.G. Bondi clearly thinks she can do it.

00:09:34.200 That this is not an exclusive power to the district court.

00:09:38.800 And there's a little bit of funny business in this Clinton-appointed judge's opinion where Judge Curry, her name is,

00:09:44.700 she, your guy Will Chamberlain, who was on our AM update this morning, pointed this out as a good point.

00:09:49.520 She had to break up the quotation of the statute and add her own words to make her argument.

00:09:54.980 She goes to the part that says, hey, subsection D provides a single option for how subsequent appointments may be made.

00:10:01.860 And she changed the words from, if an appointment expires, the district court for such district may appoint a U.S. attorney.

00:10:08.420 She inserted, the district court and only the district court may appoint a U.S. attorney.

00:10:14.120 That's the whole case.

00:10:15.680 Like, that language is not in the statute.

00:10:18.260 And so the whole thing comes down to whether after that initial 120 days dies, can the district court and the A.G. appoint a replacement or only the district court?

00:10:29.180 Your thoughts?

00:10:30.400 It's concurrent.

00:10:31.660 And it's, look, this is what happened here.

00:10:33.820 You had this Obama chief judge of the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, who, that's the appellate court over the Eastern District of Virginia,

00:10:43.740 hand-selected this Clinton judge from South Carolina, this Judge Curry, and she came in there and she got the result that the Democrats wanted here. 0.58

00:10:54.440 This is pure judicial activism.

00:10:56.860 As you said, Will Chamberlain at the Article 3 Project pointed this out on his X thread, where it's very clear that this Judge Curry made up language in the statute to get the results she wanted.

00:11:12.120 And that is going to get reversed on appeal, maybe not at the Fourth Circuit, because the Fourth Circuit is dominated by Democrats, but it will certainly get reversed by the Supreme Court of the United States.

00:11:23.940 But the Democrats got what they wanted here.

00:11:27.300 They got an embarrassment for Lindsey Halligan, and they got delay in this case.

00:11:32.700 And so it is a purely political result here.

00:11:36.300 And if this judge would have actually followed the statutes, you read them in harmony.

00:11:41.440 You do not create constitutional conflict.

00:11:44.180 That is one of the key canons for the judges to follow.

00:11:47.760 It's called constitutional avoidance.

00:11:50.000 You do not create constitutional problems when you're interpreting the law unless you have to.

00:11:55.800 If the judge, if the Supreme Court doesn't take it, you know, if the Fourth District upholds this, this Judge Curry and U.S. Supreme Court says we're not taking this, then this decision would stand.

00:12:10.260 And there's, then it would, it would, if it's not, basically if like, if the Fourth District, the Fourth Circuit affirms her and SCOTUS refers, refuses to take it, then this judgment will stand.

00:12:22.340 And Halligan will be de-queued.

00:12:25.300 She won't be able to prosecute this case.

00:12:26.940 But now there's a debate about whether anyone will be able to prosecute this case.

00:12:33.700 Letitia James is 100% going to get re-indicted. 1.00

00:12:36.980 But the question is whether Comey can be re-indicted.

00:12:41.540 This is, again, assuming that Halligan is off the case.

00:12:46.440 Comey has an argument that there was never, there was never a proper indictment, Dave, because the person who indicted him was not properly in the role.

00:12:58.960 And Judge Curry, in her opinion, says, thus restoring James Comey to the position he was in pre-indictment.

00:13:05.860 So she's basically trying to like completely nullify the indictment as though it was never brought. 0.75

00:13:11.540 And the statute of limitations on him expired, I think, six days after she got the indictment.

00:13:16.420 So while normally the rule is you can re-indict somebody when your indictment gets thrown out, within six months of the day your indictment gets thrown out,

00:13:24.980 there's a question in this case about whether that would be possible, given the judge's language about the whole thing is like nullified as though it never happened to begin with.

00:13:36.560 Right, right.

00:13:37.660 There's that Latin phrase, void ab initio, which means it's void from the beginning.

00:13:43.560 So you can't fix a defect when she did not have the right to even sign the indictment from the beginning.

00:13:51.760 So the whole thing is void.

00:13:53.540 I guess if you translate that Latin phrase, it means it's void from the beginning or you snooze, you lose.

00:14:01.800 And I think that's more like it because here the judge in this case, she even emphasizes your point that you mentioned or the point that she mentioned in footnote 21.

00:14:12.060 And this is where she hid in some dicta, which is non-binding language, which does show her hand that she does not think this case should be refiled.

00:14:21.440 And it says here on this footnote, an invalid indictment cannot serve to block the door of limitations as it swings closed.

00:14:31.640 So I think that's her signal.

00:14:34.640 Now, I think also from a public policy standpoint, you can make the argument that it's not good public policy to allow someone to appoint a prosecutor who does not meet the qualifications to be a prosecutor,

00:14:47.520 who is there for the sole purpose of going after the president's enemies and got in there just shortly before the statute of limitations expired.

00:14:55.160 And then because of that, you give them six extra months to redo it and cure the defect that would game the system.

00:15:02.880 And I think that's a good public policy argument to convince the appellate courts that, no, the door is closed.

00:15:07.900 You can't refile this.

00:15:09.080 Okay, but Mike, that footnote that Dave is talking about is this Judge Curry cites two non-binding federal district court cases outside of her district. 0.53

00:15:22.780 One is in, well, one's from the, okay, yeah, hold on a second.

00:15:27.040 Yeah, one's from the district of Maryland and one's from the northern district of Illinois.

00:15:33.100 Neither is from the eastern district of Virginia.

00:15:35.140 They would only be influential if they were her level, but she needs, she needs fourth circuit authority or a Supreme Court authority to, to say this cannot be refiled. 0.81

00:15:47.820 And what she, what she cites, what Dave's quoted from there is quote, this is from a parallel court in Maryland.

00:15:55.280 An invalid indictment, however, cannot serve to block the door of limitations as it swings closed.

00:15:59.440 And then she has one from the northern district of Illinois that's similar.

00:16:05.040 And then the judge goes on to say, but if the earlier indictment is void, there is no legitimate peg on which to hang such a judicial limitations tolling result.

00:16:14.960 Meaning it's, if the initial indictment is void, you can't get the six months extension.

00:16:20.420 Do you agree?

00:16:20.940 No, not at all.

00:16:22.600 It's a direct, that directly contradicts a very clear federal statute addressing this 18 USC 3288, that indictment.

00:16:32.000 The only way you would be able to get this thrown out is if they brought the indictment after the statute of limitations already.

00:16:38.760 And then they threw out the indictments.

00:16:40.860 You don't get six months if you're already beyond the statute of limitations.

00:16:44.460 That's not what happens here.

00:16:46.160 So that, that, and this just further shows that this judge Curry is going out of her way as a political actor to protect Tish James and James Cumming. 0.99

00:16:56.840 That's very clear in the first sentence of both of her orders.

00:17:00.520 And I'll just, she, she gratuitously added these irrelevant digs at Lindsey Halligan that were not at all a part of her, a necessary for analysis.

00:17:11.480 She says on the dates of the indictment for both Comey and Halligan, Lindsey Halligan, a former White House aide with no prior prosecutorial experience, blah, blah, blah.

00:17:22.020 That is completely irrelevant.

00:17:23.900 Whether she has prosecute.

00:17:25.360 This is just a political hit by this Clinton Judge Curry on Lindsey Halligan to discredit her. 1.00

00:17:32.220 Yes.

00:17:32.600 What was the point of including that, Dave?

00:17:34.600 Obviously, this judge is bitter and doesn't like Lindsey Halligan, which, you know, I'm sorry, but F her.

00:17:42.900 No one gives a shit how she feels about Lindsey Halligan personally.

00:17:45.480 That had no place in either decision.

00:17:48.740 I will agree it did seem gratuitous when I first saw it.

00:17:52.720 I was surprised.

00:17:53.260 It was the very first sentence of the order, too, no less.

00:17:56.980 And I think the reason why she put it in there was to demonstrate why this case should not be allowed to be filed under the savings clause, which says you get that extra six months if it's a procedural defect.

00:18:12.060 She's trying to explain in advance of why this thing was null and void to begin with, because you had someone who is not qualified to be a prosecutor who was there for the sole purpose of just getting this indictment right before the statute of limitations.

00:18:24.120 Let me ask you something.

00:18:25.180 Let me just ask you something, OK?

00:18:26.480 Because I never prosecuted cases.

00:18:28.740 I never prosecuted.

00:18:29.620 I was never a criminal prosecutor.

00:18:30.960 I was big law.

00:18:31.960 I was at Jones Day for most of my nine and a half year career and on the partnership track and a successful lawyer.

00:18:39.680 You want to tell me I couldn't be dropped into the Eastern District of Virginia and be the U.S. attorney?

00:18:45.760 Bullshit.

00:18:46.300 I could do it tomorrow after 20 years off.

00:18:48.600 So I don't accept that she's not qualified just because she never did criminal prosecution.

00:18:53.200 Go ahead, Dave.

00:18:53.880 You are absolutely right that you could be dropped in and you could do it.

00:18:57.280 And so could Lindsay Halligan, quite frankly.

00:18:59.260 But the reason why they bring this up, I think, is more than gratuitous.

00:19:03.440 I think it's just to show that this was an attempt at a bad faith prosecution where they fired Eric Siebert, Mike Davis's friend from the Federalist Society.

00:19:12.940 It's irrelevant.

00:19:14.020 Because he wouldn't prosecute the case.

00:19:16.840 It's irrelevant here.

00:19:17.860 I can see it's relevant to their malicious prosecution argument, which is happening in front of a different judge on a different motion.

00:19:24.680 This is irrelevant to whether Halligan, whether only the AG or the district judges had the right to appoint Halligan.

00:19:31.780 Go ahead, Mike.

00:19:32.540 I would say this.

00:19:34.440 Again, the evidence was so strong that a Democrat-controlled D.C. suburban grand jury brought indictments.

00:19:42.940 The Fed SOC attorney didn't have any balls, and so he got fired.

00:19:46.300 And they brought in Lindsay Halligan, and she actually had balls. 1.00

00:19:50.320 Fed SOC, meaning Federalist Society?

00:19:52.760 Yeah, the Federalist Society.

00:19:54.180 Look, I always say that my friends in the Fed SOC are very good attorneys, but they're pussies, right? 1.00

00:20:01.340 They have no balls. 0.82

00:20:02.260 And so we had to bring in, we had to get rid of this pussy attorney. 1.00

00:20:07.440 Oh, my gosh.

00:20:09.080 He can go back to his Fed SOC debate society where they, you know, they want to debate the nation's decay.

00:20:15.700 And then we had to bring in a real attorney with balls, Lindsay Halligan, who actually saw the evidence, and she brought the indictment. 1.00

00:20:23.900 Look, they want to criticize her. 0.99

00:20:25.520 They want to call her legally blonde. 0.99

00:20:27.340 You know, they want to say, because Lindsay's beautiful, she must be stupid, right? 0.99

00:20:32.540 And it's just complete horseshit.

00:20:33.940 It's the same thing with Megan.

00:20:35.440 They think, oh, she's beautiful, so she must be a dumb attorney. 1.00

00:20:38.220 These beautiful blondes will smoke these Democrat lawyers and these pussy Fed SOC lawyers every day of the week. 1.00

00:20:46.380 I mean, this is good TV.

00:20:50.220 P-word, yes. 0.94

00:20:51.340 This is what we love about podcasting.

00:20:52.820 You can say it like it is.

00:20:54.520 And, I mean, I see his point, though.

00:20:56.360 Dave, I don't, whatever her objections are to Lindsay Halligan, I don't give a shit.

00:21:02.000 I don't care.

00:21:02.980 They're not appropriate.

00:21:04.220 She was just trying to undermine her.

00:21:06.240 And as you point out, in the first line of both opinions, dismissing Comey and dismissing James.

00:21:12.280 I mean, look, I think it's fair because when I first read it, I thought it was gratuitous.

00:21:16.640 But I do think the reason why she included that was to have a public policy reason why this should not be refiled.

00:21:23.020 It's even though she dismissed this without prejudice, which said you could refile it.

00:21:27.420 She's saying you shouldn't let an administration take advantage of the system that gives them an extra six months when, from the beginning, it was void.

00:21:34.360 She was not qualified to be U.S. attorney, not appointed properly.

00:21:38.400 And she got in and appointed for the sole purpose of getting in there just days before the deadline.

00:21:44.460 Wait, wait, wait.

00:21:44.940 And that doesn't give you an ability to get six extra months.

00:21:47.180 How is she not qualified to be the U.S. attorney? 0.98

00:21:50.080 Because she wasn't confirmed by the Senate and she wasn't approved by the judges.

00:21:54.260 That's different.

00:21:54.780 Well, neither was Siebert.

00:21:55.380 Qualified versus confirmed.

00:21:56.620 Exactly.

00:21:57.260 He was approved by the judges.

00:21:58.580 He was approved by the judges.

00:21:59.660 So what?

00:22:00.340 You don't have to be approved by the judges for this role.

00:22:02.780 Yes.

00:22:03.120 Yes, you do.

00:22:03.880 After 120 days, you do.

00:22:05.060 But that's the point.

00:22:06.540 The statute is unconstitutional.

00:22:08.320 If you're giving federal judges the ability to appoint these executive branch interim officers but not the attorney general, that shows the statute.

00:22:18.560 If that's how it was written, which it wasn't, but if that's how these Democrat judges are going to misinterpret this statute to keep power and protect their allies, it's unconstitutional.

00:22:29.920 It's a violation of the separation of powers.

00:22:32.280 I agree with you.

00:22:33.760 Doesn't the appointments clause talk about judges, though, Mike?

00:22:35.860 It does.

00:22:37.480 It does.

00:22:38.000 We talked about this before we went on air.

00:22:40.000 But we also have Article 2 of the Constitution.

00:22:43.220 So judges can appoint magistrate judges, for example, right?

00:22:46.980 And they do that every day in the federal court system.

00:22:49.640 They have the appointment power over U.S. magistrate judges that do pretrial work, do discovery.

00:22:54.780 But I don't think U.S. district court judges have the Article 3 power to pick Article 2 interim officers over the objection of the president of the United States and the attorney general of the United States.

00:23:07.180 All right, so we don't know what's going to happen.

00:23:10.440 I mean, we assume Bondi will appeal this.

00:23:13.160 By the way, we covered this on AM Update when it happened.

00:23:17.300 But Bondi did try to cure whatever defect may be present by this halogen not having been chosen by district judges by on October 31st issuing a memo saying, like, I ratify, you know, what she's done.

00:23:32.240 And this judge said, nice try, but no cigar.

00:23:36.040 Close, but no cigar.

00:23:37.720 So they will appeal.

00:23:39.600 The Fourth Circuit, I don't know how they'll find.

00:23:42.860 I would have to put money, if I had to, on Villa Firm.

00:23:46.780 It's a left-leaning court.

00:23:48.580 And then they'll try to appeal it, the DOJ, up to SCOTUS.

00:23:53.560 SCOTUS may not want to touch this.

00:23:55.560 I have to tell you my analysis on this.

00:23:57.280 If I were SCOTUS, I'm like, I can kill at least one of these things, the Comey indictment and case, in one fell swoop.

00:24:06.060 And that'll save me from having to get involved on all of the substantive issues that are also going to come up my way via vindictive prosecution and all the other arguments that he's raising.

00:24:17.620 They're like, it's a procedural error.

00:24:20.280 They made it.

00:24:22.240 Like, I can get out of this scot-free.

00:24:24.180 So I would not, I would not bank necessarily in the Supreme Court taking this, because speaking of the P word, okay, we'll see. 0.95

00:24:33.680 But if, if it's reversed and they say that the statute of limitations is, is extended, or if it's, let's say, even if they don't reverse it, if they at least find that the statute of limitations goes for six more months, Comey can be re-indicted.

00:24:48.800 Do we all agree?

00:24:50.420 Yes.

00:24:50.760 Yes.

00:24:50.980 Okay.

00:24:52.540 So, and Tish James, without question, can be re-indicted, right?

00:24:57.680 Yes.

00:24:58.740 All right.

00:24:59.120 The only question would be, would she, who's going to re-indict her? 1.00

00:25:04.280 Because if Halligan actually is Ixnade, then, and it's because we need a judge to decide who's, like, this doesn't make any sense to me, Dave Ehrenberg.

00:25:14.820 So what's the, like, let's just say Halligan's gone.

00:25:18.900 Who's going to decide who's the interim acting U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia?

00:25:23.780 The judges?

00:25:24.360 Yes.

00:25:26.240 A Judge Curry's order actually says it'll be decided by the judges.

00:25:30.480 If that happens, then you've got some judge-selected U.S. attorney, and then you have Trump saying, okay, well, I want Mike Davis, let's say, to be the actual U.S. attorney for Eastern District of Virginia.

00:25:44.920 And he has to go through Senate confirmation, and then you have all these Democrats who don't want to necessarily—

00:25:50.120 And Republicans.

00:25:52.000 And Republicans.

00:25:52.920 Yeah, and Republicans.

00:25:54.180 Especially the FedSoc guys, yes.

00:25:56.540 They might not understand his brilliance the way we do, Dave.

00:25:59.880 And, you know, so forever, they stand in his way, and as a result, the president doesn't get his choice.

00:26:06.980 Even—this isn't a judgeship.

00:26:08.980 This isn't a U.S. attorney position.

00:26:11.020 Like, you see how this could be gamed so inappropriately by the Democrats if the ruling goes any way other than the way Mike and I think it should go.

00:26:21.460 Well, that's the issue.

00:26:22.920 The gaming seemed to be from the piggybacking on previous acting U.S. attorneys to get someone you wanted without having to go through the U.S. Senate.

00:26:31.580 I see why you'd be upset about the judges doing it, and that could be a constitutional issue.

00:26:35.980 But this statute has been around a long time.

00:26:38.740 It has never been thrown out as unconstitutional.

00:26:41.020 So maybe that's something the Supreme Court would take a look at.

00:26:43.680 But Judge Curry's order said the judges will decide, and if the judges do appoint the next acting U.S. attorney, there's no way that that acting U.S. attorney will prosecute either the Comey or the James case because they're a weak sauce.

00:26:57.260 Although, if Trump gets to appoint his own confirmed by the Senate, I think you'll see the return of at least the James case.

00:27:03.840 Can I ask this, Megan?

00:27:05.420 What happens when these Democrat activist judges in the Eastern District of Virginia pick their fake Republican as their U.S. attorney, the next Fed sock cock? 0.99

00:27:15.720 So then what happens when Pam Bondi and President Trump say, okay—

00:27:18.560 Was that C-U-C-K? 1.00

00:27:21.380 Yes, exactly.

00:27:23.600 I'm trying to figure out what cuss words are acceptable on Megan's show. 0.99

00:27:26.560 We can say shits.

00:27:27.580 We can't say—

00:27:28.120 Pretty much all of them.

00:27:29.320 I got to be honest.

00:27:30.160 Yeah, you can say it all.

00:27:31.960 So here's the issue, Dave.

00:27:33.680 What happens when this guy will not prosecute and Pam Bondi or President Trump say, okay, you're fired?

00:27:40.180 Then what?

00:27:40.940 Then the district court judges are going to say, no, you're the president of the United States, but you don't get to fire your U.S. attorney because we're the all-powerful judges and we interpreted this statute to give us all the power over the U.S. attorney for the next three years?

00:27:55.540 We just saw this, this exact situation with Eric Siebert.

00:27:58.340 He was appointed by the judges because he exceeded his 120 days, and then Trump effectively fired him.

00:28:05.460 So, yes, I would think the president could fire that person, and then the judges would have to reappoint someone else.

00:28:11.100 That makes no sense.

00:28:12.320 Unless the president sends someone through the U.S. Senate.

00:28:14.300 And then the Democrats—these Democrat judges can keep this going in perpetuity long past the six months to refile deadline.

00:28:22.180 So who's playing the game, Dave?

00:28:23.600 Dave, who's playing the game?

00:28:24.800 Is it President Trump and Pam Bondi who want a Republican who will actually do the job, or these Democrat judges who are obstructing this with their games?

00:28:33.240 Well, here's my question, though.

00:28:34.600 If they want a Republican U.S. attorney, they've got a Republican U.S. Senate the last time I checked. 0.95

00:28:39.920 Why can't they just get the U.S. Senate to confirm them?

00:28:42.320 Because we have blue slips, which is a bullshit process where home state senators get to hand select the U.S. attorney who would prosecute them,

00:28:50.220 the district court judge who would oversee their corruption trial, and the U.S. marshal who had escorted them to prison.

00:28:56.460 So President Trump can't pick a U.S. attorney in a lot of these blue states because these Democrat senators are refusing to return blue slips.

00:29:04.340 All you need is a majority in the Senate to change the rules, and the Republicans control the Senate.

00:29:08.240 So if you want to change the rules, your friends in the Senate can do so.

00:29:11.380 That's a fair point, but there would be 100 senator revolts if they lost this power.

00:29:18.200 And it doesn't seem like it should go away, but it won't.

00:29:21.020 But in the meantime, you can't have these Democrat judges misinterpreting federal statutes to give federal judges more power to protect their political allies.

00:29:31.300 They're not the prosecutors.

00:29:32.240 I have a question for you.

00:29:34.400 So if the—okay, let's say they—it gets decided in a way that gives the government six months to refile against Comey and James, both of them.

00:29:49.040 So I don't know whether Halligan is on the case in this scenario or she's not, but the government gets six more months to reindict them both.

00:29:55.460 Do they have to go back before a grand jury again?

00:29:57.800 Do you have to start at square one?

00:29:59.660 Do you guys know the answer to that?

00:30:00.640 Yes, and Pam Bondi can go in as the attorney general and get this indictment, regardless of who the U.S. attorney is. 1.00

00:30:07.460 And so—and I think Todd Blanch—

00:30:08.820 Are we a little scared about that?

00:30:10.740 Are we a little scared about that, Mike?

00:30:12.220 Because now the cases have had so much attention.

00:30:14.740 You know, the alleged grand jury pool has been manipulated by nonstop media coverage about how this is retribution and so on.

00:30:22.740 Are we a little worried about her ability to do it twice?

00:30:24.720 I would—if I were the attorney general, I would bring—I would seek the indictment in the Richmond Division of the Eastern District of Virginia and not the Alexandria Division of the Eastern District of Virginia.

00:30:37.460 I'd go somewhere where the people are a little bit less Democrat and less crazy.

00:30:41.940 Sorry, Dave.

00:30:42.480 But that's what I would recommend if I were—if anyone ever listened to me.

00:30:48.980 What do you think, Dave?

00:30:50.220 I think they want to get to the Southern District of Florida where Judge Aileen Cannon is. 1.00

00:30:54.260 I think that's where they want to go.

00:30:55.460 Yes.

00:30:55.980 That's exactly right.

00:30:57.580 These are the appetizer indictments in Virginia.

00:31:00.120 The appetizers got sent back.

00:31:02.260 It's time to go for the main course down in Fort Pierce, Florida.

00:31:05.860 And that's what Mike's been saying all along, that there could be a sort of a grand conspiracy case coming out of Florida that's going to pull in all of these same actors.

00:31:13.640 And the statute of limitations on that will not have run, not for Comey, not for any of these guys.

00:31:18.900 I know you guys have got to run.

00:31:22.700 So I thank you both so much.

00:31:23.960 It's great to have you both.

00:31:24.860 Dave, Mike, until the next time.

00:31:26.960 Thank you, Megan.

00:31:29.080 Okay.

00:31:29.400 I do want to tell the audience this.

00:31:32.080 This came out this morning.

00:31:33.960 Hold on.

00:31:35.820 This is my update packet.

00:31:36.960 There's so much material, as always, as you guys know, because we want to make sure that everybody knows exactly what's going on.

00:31:43.080 And here's the interesting thing.

00:31:44.960 There's new evidence now against Tish James.

00:31:49.320 This is very interesting.

00:31:50.460 So I'm just going to take a few minutes and tell you about it.

00:31:52.860 So you know this bank—it was like a mortgage fraud case against her.

00:31:56.580 She cares about mortgage fraud. 0.99

00:31:57.740 Don't let her tell you she doesn't.

00:31:58.800 She's made a long, long history now of saying it doesn't matter whether there's a victim, doesn't matter whether there's a bank complaining or who lost any money.

00:32:07.960 All that matters is you committed fraud in the abstract, and that will subject you to liability.

00:32:14.540 In her case, potentially criminal liability.

00:32:16.820 So those are her standards.

00:32:17.900 We're just playing by them.

00:32:18.660 She has argued—we did this on AM of date.

00:32:23.580 Did you hear her denial?

00:32:24.720 She's like, I remain fearless.

00:32:27.640 Like, who calls themselves fearless?

00:32:29.960 I am fearless.

00:32:30.880 Like, a normal person says, I'm not afraid, and I'm innocent.

00:32:35.680 She's like, I am fearless.

00:32:37.920 Because, of course, she's got to be this, like, self-aggrandizing, like, just kind of pathetic. 0.99

00:32:44.400 I felt uncomfortable reading it.

00:32:45.880 Like, Tish, a fearless person doesn't say, I am fearless.

00:32:50.880 I just don't.

00:32:52.100 Okay, so it made me uncomfortable, but there she is. 0.99

00:32:53.680 That's her whole thing. 0.98

00:32:54.240 She's trying to turn this into, like, I am woman, hear me roar. 1.00

00:32:57.760 But she's in increasing amounts of trouble. 0.67

00:33:01.080 So the MSM will tell you that there's absolutely no case against her.

00:33:04.360 Au contraire.

00:33:05.520 Au contraire.

00:33:06.640 We had the former CFO of Crazy Eddie.

00:33:09.740 Remember that?

00:33:10.420 The TV company?

00:33:11.220 Crazy Eddie.

00:33:12.300 He went to jail for a long time on felony fraud charges.

00:33:16.720 And he has since spent, I think, the last 30 years or so working with the white hat on,

00:33:22.660 trying to help people figure it out, figure out when there is fraud and when there isn't,

00:33:26.020 help the government figure it out in cases.

00:33:28.860 And he took a hard look.

00:33:29.900 He's not even a Democrat.

00:33:30.740 He doesn't even, not even a Republican.

00:33:32.000 He doesn't like Trump.

00:33:33.400 But he took a look at this.

00:33:35.120 And what he found was she's in a lot of deep doo-doo because she represented one thing to the 0.91

00:33:42.820 mortgage company about this home at issue in the Virginia case against her being her

00:33:47.460 secondary residence, meaning she was getting it as a vacation home, basically.

00:33:53.440 And then she was telling the IRS something very different, claiming it as an investment

00:33:58.000 property, which has a different meaning.

00:34:01.440 And let me just put it to you this way.

00:34:02.720 If you get a second home, same as your first home, you can deduct things like your mortgage

00:34:09.720 interest and I think your property taxes from what you pay.

00:34:13.140 I'm not an accountant, but if memory serves, you can deduct those two things from your income

00:34:18.280 taxes, right?

00:34:19.060 Just to show like, I had to pay those things and I don't have to pay on them again.

00:34:23.620 If you buy an investment property, one that you're going to rent out, one that potentially

00:34:29.380 you're going to, you know, resell, whatever, for it to make the money off of it, that you

00:34:35.520 can deduct a lot more, actually, expenses.

00:34:38.940 You, I think I wrote this down.

00:34:40.180 On an investment property, you can deduct mortgage costs, rental income, insurance, mortgage

00:34:48.620 payments, property tax, and capital gains.

00:34:52.220 So there's a lot that you can deduct on that kind of a property.

00:34:56.840 And it has, we knew when we had the CFO accountant from Crazy Eddie come on, you know, convicted

00:35:02.540 felon, he's quick to admit, he kind of uses it to show you that he does no fraud when he

00:35:06.700 sees it, but he had pulled her IRS filings.

00:35:09.780 And he said, she's been claiming this house, the one at issue that she told the mortgage

00:35:15.520 brokers would be her secondary residence as an investment property, which is a legally

00:35:22.260 different animal for years with the IRS.

00:35:26.080 And he said, that right there is going to show the jury, if it gets that far, that she

00:35:32.760 was deceitful.

00:35:33.900 It can't be both at the same time.

00:35:36.900 And it's very clear she did, she did this.

00:35:40.480 She classified them differently, depending on what audience she was in front of.

00:35:44.160 And then this comes out in the latest document that was filed against her by the DOJ.

00:35:50.540 She, Letitia James moved to dismiss for vindictive and selective prosecution. 0.90

00:35:55.380 And in response, the DOJ revealed new evidence against her, including a text message marked

00:36:01.420 March 28th, 2024.

00:36:04.960 And it was about how she's taking deductions on, again, what we know is actually an investment

00:36:11.640 property, not a second home in Virginia, the one at issue in this case.

00:36:15.820 And she texted him saying, I do, this is to her accountant.

00:36:21.200 Okay.

00:36:21.460 Her accountant.

00:36:22.040 So this is an IRS filing.

00:36:24.180 Um, and she says, I do not want to take deduction.

00:36:29.980 It looks suspicious and I need to do everything according to the tax code.

00:36:36.280 So she'd been taking the deduction for years, by the way, for years.

00:36:42.240 Uh, the government represents James represented that the Perrone residence, that's the one 0.88

00:36:46.560 in Virginia, was an investment property in her income taxes, including taking deductions 0.56

00:36:52.640 consistent with investment property, not a secondary residence, because that was more tax advantageous

00:36:59.400 to her.

00:37:00.420 These deductions demonstrate that James never occupied nor intended to occupy the Perrone 0.61

00:37:05.820 residence as the mortgage terms required.

00:37:08.860 That's what she promised the mortgage lender she would do.

00:37:10.860 And she didn't, uh, defendant continued taking the investment property deductions for several

00:37:16.680 years until in 2024, she told her accountant, I do not want to take deduction.

00:37:22.740 It looks suspicious and I need to do everything according to the tax code.

00:37:28.060 Now, March of 2024, you've got, um, Donald Trump as the nominee, Joe Biden, extremely weak.

00:37:37.060 June of 2024, he would have his meltdown.

00:37:39.880 November of 2024, Trump would be elected.

00:37:42.140 But in March of 2024, the numbers were already spiraling and there was serious questions about

00:37:48.120 whether Joe Biden could win.

00:37:49.540 And I think she's sensing there is the possibility of Donald Trump return to office where somebody

00:37:56.160 takes a closer look at my documents and clearly she realized that there was a massive inconsistency

00:38:04.460 in what she was doing.

00:38:06.720 One could argue a fraudulent inconsistency in what she was doing.

00:38:12.040 And this will 100% come back to haunt her if, well, when her case gets refiled. 0.71

00:38:17.760 We'll see if the throwing out gets affirmed on appeal, but even if they affirm the fact

00:38:23.180 that Lindsay Halligan couldn't do this, she's getting re-indicted. 1.00

00:38:27.120 And by the way, the case against her has only gotten stronger.

00:38:30.300 So a grand jury, I actually do have a lot of faith, will re-indict her.

00:38:34.780 And, uh, fearless or not, she's going to have her hands full with texts and documents

00:38:40.400 like these.

00:38:41.540 Okay, coming up next, Benny Johnson.

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00:39:43.560 Here with me now, Benny Johnson, host of The Benny Show on X, YouTube, Insta, and all podcast

00:39:50.320 platforms.

00:39:51.420 Benny, great to see you again.

00:39:53.260 We have got to talk about the mainstream media anchor, Katie Couric.

00:39:59.780 Well, no one's media anchor right now.

00:40:02.040 Just has her own show, which is not really doing that well.

00:40:05.520 But in any event-

00:40:06.060 Which she clearly produces from a closet in like her studio apartment. 0.85

00:40:09.640 Absolutely no effort at hair or makeup.

00:40:11.300 I object.

00:40:11.860 Right.

00:40:12.240 There has to be some effort for us all.

00:40:14.800 Trust me.

00:40:15.860 I don't look like this when I wake up either, but I make an effort because I'm on camera.

00:40:21.840 Yes.

00:40:22.640 You know, I have the best that head and shoulders, two-for-one Costco special shampoo can provide.

00:40:29.380 All you guys have it so easy.

00:40:30.940 I look over at Doug in the morning.

00:40:32.460 He's at his sink.

00:40:33.140 I'm at mine.

00:40:33.480 I'm like, you wake up looking like that.

00:40:35.360 It's just not fair.

00:40:36.640 Can I give you my favorite conspiracy theory?

00:40:38.340 Yeah.

00:40:38.580 Really fast?

00:40:39.120 Yeah.

00:40:39.680 That all of the lib podcasters who've been, you know, banished from their corporate media platforms

00:40:45.180 that kept them so beautiful and powerful, almost like a Frankenstein's monster, well beyond their

00:40:51.300 expiration date, that they're all morphing into the same person.

00:40:54.760 So like Rachel Maddow and Keith Oberman and Katie Couric, and they're all like looking the same.

00:41:02.340 And George Stephanopoulos.

00:41:02.720 Yeah, they're all becoming the same like androgynous, weird, neutered, frail, like crunched up, like angry little vestibule of hate.

00:41:19.120 And they're all doing, it's very bad.

00:41:21.020 You know, it's very bad what this stuff does, what this ideology does for you as a person.

00:41:25.420 You know?

00:41:25.600 I really hope that everyone on our side is becoming Melania Trump.

00:41:28.960 I mean, that's what we deserve to look more and more like her.

00:41:33.000 Who wants to look like RFK when they're 71?

00:41:36.640 When they're 71, I mean, that is like, that's what every man actually wants to look like.

00:41:43.280 He's very fit.

00:41:44.560 Yeah.

00:41:44.940 I mean, you know, clearly quite attractive to a number of young reporters.

00:41:50.400 Ice blue eyes.

00:41:51.860 What, Ronald Dahl has this great quote, I'm sorry to like go off on a tangent here, but he has this great quote about how, no matter how beautiful you are, your ugly thoughts will begin to appear on the outside very quickly if you have ugly thoughts on the inside.

00:42:05.280 And beautiful people remain beautiful well into their old age.

00:42:08.660 We all have a grandmother, right, that we can like close our eyes or like a godmother we can think about and how beautiful they were even in their 80s, right, because they were beautiful on the inside.

00:42:16.860 And that twisted, warped, and cruel people filled with hate, that those people become twisted, warped, and cruel no matter how fleeting their beauty might be.

00:42:27.580 They'll always become that on the outside.

00:42:29.560 It'll manifest.

00:42:31.000 And I think you can really just-

00:42:32.260 It's like those two ants in James and the giant peach.

00:42:35.600 Yes.

00:42:36.020 I don't know.

00:42:36.340 Like you spend enough time with Roald Dahl and you'll see what he does to the characters you really can't stand.

00:42:40.520 They all want, like look at Augustus Gloop.

00:42:42.680 Veruca Salt was pretty, but not by the end of the movie.

00:42:45.400 You weren't feeling that when you watched her go down the egg, egg, educator, egg-dicator.

00:42:50.580 That's right.

00:42:51.080 In any event.

00:42:51.920 Point taken.

00:42:52.340 I agree with you.

00:42:53.200 Yeah.

00:42:53.820 So it's like, that's what they're all becoming.

00:42:55.240 And I find that fascinating to watch at scale.

00:42:57.820 That now that like, instead of like going off into the sunset.

00:43:00.420 Yeah.

00:43:00.720 Instead of going off into the sunset.

00:43:02.960 This is Katie Couric.

00:43:04.740 I'm sorry.

00:43:05.520 Okay.

00:43:05.740 I'm just saying we all need to work on it, including you, Katie.

00:43:09.820 I'm, I'm saying it from love, um, along with Jen Psaki, who understands because she actually still has her TV job.

00:43:19.300 The hair and makeup can make a difference, but has decided to bring her least attractive self onto Katie's podcast. 1.00

00:43:26.420 Maybe it's because they, they know literally nobody's watching, but I don't know here.

00:43:30.300 Look at this absurd exchange about the problem with today's media.

00:43:40.140 More and more of the questions in there are by sycophants are by people who are not asking about news that the American people cares about, but they're asking about, I mean, literally a question has started more than once.

00:43:54.900 Why is Trump in such good shape?

00:43:56.580 Right.

00:43:57.000 Or they are, um, you know, putting out conspiracy theories.

00:44:01.620 There are people who, and they are getting a lot of the questions.

00:44:04.820 There are some of the people who are in the press pools.

00:44:07.040 This means that reporters who are there to cover MBS being at the White House or to cover Zelensky being at the White House or to ask these questions that Mary Bruce fortunately asked yesterday.

00:44:19.620 There are fewer of them.

00:44:21.000 And that is, you don't know that and see that unless you've lived there, but that's a huge, huge problem because it's becoming more of a Kremlin-esque press corps.

00:44:31.040 Right.

00:44:31.320 And they've invited a lot of reporters from very right-wing media outlets.

00:44:36.140 So, okay.

00:44:38.520 Unlike the good old days prior to Trump, when the media was so hard on people like Obama and Biden, I'll give you the soundbite, Benny, then you take it out on the backside.

00:44:51.240 It's at 24B.

00:44:52.140 Mr. President, what did you order?

00:44:57.100 Chalka chalka chip.

00:44:59.360 You don't have any doubts that you're ready?

00:45:01.420 No.

00:45:02.600 Where do you get all this confidence?

00:45:04.920 How are you finding the job?

00:45:07.600 It's exhilarating.

00:45:09.240 It's challenging.

00:45:10.480 What's the most frustrating part of the job?

00:45:12.720 Do you take a day off?

00:45:13.680 I gotta tell you, when you walked in, I checked out, is she wearing them?

00:45:18.460 You're not wearing your chucks today.

00:45:21.060 No.

00:45:21.140 Trump has questioned Joe Biden's mental fitness and his cognitive skills.

00:45:25.440 What do you want us to know about that?

00:45:27.120 I mean, Joe is working so hard every day.

00:45:29.960 And if she'd become first gentleman, what would that say about, you know, defining the gender role and about masculinity? 0.82

00:45:35.620 When you watch the news, when you read the news, what do you think we get wrong?

00:45:39.460 For journalists who watch what you do, what's your advice for them about trying to stay close to the truth in this world of lies?

00:45:46.380 Is the relationship between the White House and the press corps now at least functional in ways it wasn't in the Trump years?

00:45:51.700 We hear he's lifting weights.

00:45:52.940 That was Jen Psaki. 1.00

00:45:53.440 What sort of weights is he lifting?

00:45:54.960 Does he have a personal trainer?

00:45:56.020 I can tell you, having traveled with him a fair amount, sometimes he's hard to keep up with.

00:46:01.280 So two major takeaways from that, Megan.

00:46:09.160 One, that's not good TV.

00:46:12.500 So let's just start at the basic level.

00:46:13.980 You have to have people watching.

00:46:15.200 So this kind of, like, toe-sucking sycophanty is not fun to watch.

00:46:20.920 It's not entertaining to watch.

00:46:23.080 Like, on your show here, right?

00:46:25.840 Like, what would be the equivalent of that?

00:46:27.540 Megan, you're so beautiful.

00:46:29.440 Oh, how is it so hard being so smart?

00:46:32.700 How smart are you?

00:46:34.600 Okay?

00:46:34.940 You could do the Tish James interview.

00:46:36.420 It was so smart.

00:46:36.840 How fearless are you?

00:46:38.540 Are you just as courageous and fearless as I thought?

00:46:41.460 You go, girl.

00:46:42.660 Yeah.

00:46:43.260 Wow.

00:46:43.700 Like, that's no fun, by the way.

00:46:46.120 That's exactly right.

00:46:47.000 Like, first off, it's just terrible for the entertainment value, for the news value.

00:46:52.280 None of that works as an actual product.

00:46:55.100 So start with that.

00:46:56.720 But then graduate into what is, without question, the single greatest fraud, the most dangerous fraud, pulled on the American people, which Jen Psaki was the architect of.

00:47:09.420 To her great and abiding shame, which was that Joe Biden did not suddenly develop stage five pancreatic cancer metastasized to his bone, which all experts say is a death sentence.

00:47:21.880 That is a horrible thing.

00:47:23.880 That's an awful prostate cancer.

00:47:25.360 Prostate cancer.

00:47:26.040 Yes.

00:47:27.360 Yes.

00:47:27.880 Prostate cancer metastasized to his bones, which takes, according to medical experts, 12 years or more.

00:47:33.420 They knew that Joe Biden had this terminal illness.

00:47:37.420 They knew that he was suffering from it.

00:47:39.460 He was most likely being prescribed an enormous amount of medication to deal with it.

00:47:44.340 And that's what made Joe Biden so zoinked out of his brain, falling directly on his ass in front of military graduations.

00:47:52.640 Right. Like this was a this was one of the largest scale lies ever perpetrated on the American people.

00:47:58.900 And that's a long list to be at the top of.

00:48:01.740 And so Jen Psaki was the major proponent and purveyor of that sinister lie that put this diseased and crippled old man into the hardest job in American history.

00:48:14.100 And at the time when he was getting people killed with these Afghanistan withdrawals, when he was crippling our nation with open borders and so on, being taken advantage of because he was a dying man. 0.75

00:48:25.660 It is indefensible.

00:48:27.680 It is immoral.

00:48:29.780 It is sick and wrong.

00:48:31.620 And so for Jen Psaki, of all people, to have a bloody cheek and to go on there and harp about reporters not asking tough questions or the press secretary not getting tough questions when she herself was on a level of Kremlin Soviet propaganda, encouraging not only Joe Biden to run again, when who knows how long he has to live.

00:48:56.220 We know he's an end stage cancer treatment right now.

00:48:58.920 So what was the what was the goal there, Jen?

00:49:01.620 Was the goal there for Joe Biden to die in office and then Kamala to take the reins?

00:49:06.800 How sick and dark and twisted are you people?

00:49:09.480 Get ye to a nunnery, to a church, like, like, get down on your knees and pray for forgiveness for what you've done to the American people. 0.57

00:49:17.180 That's clearly the worst and darkest thing that I probably hopefully will ever see in American politics.

00:49:23.540 That you took advantage of this hour.

00:49:27.720 Poor old man.

00:49:28.100 But no, I so Jen Psaki is living in la la land, of course, if she thinks that Trump is the one getting sick of questions as opposed to her old boss.

00:49:38.160 When the White House press corps had press briefings under her and her successor, Karine Jean-Pierre, the only hard questions that were asked for the most part were questions like the Republicans are arguing X.

00:49:51.280 Can you respond?

00:49:52.640 Right.

00:49:52.780 Like that's as adversarial as they get because they they wanted to tee up right.

00:49:57.960 Jen Jen Psaki or Karine Jean-Pierre into ripping on the right half of the country. 1.00

00:50:02.340 Now, at best, under Trump, which has a few more open doors to people who are open minded to Trump.

00:50:10.100 Now you might get a more fair and balanced question from from a right wing perspective.

00:50:14.400 Right.

00:50:14.780 Like, what is it that those six lawmakers did wrong in the video as opposed to how dare you threaten death for innocent U.S. lawmakers?

00:50:23.580 Right. So that's why he has more fair and balanced reporters in there now, because he's like, maybe I could get some fair questions from one or two in between getting abused by everybody else that's in there.

00:50:37.540 That's what Caroline Leavitt goes through every day.

00:50:39.360 She wants to pretend that in the good old days when she was there, it was universally tough questions for Biden.

00:50:46.560 And she was just super deft at handling that.

00:50:48.900 We got a minute to break.

00:50:49.780 Benny, go.

00:50:50.120 Well, I mean, of course, what you want is you want a reporter suite from a different perspective.

00:51:00.720 And you don't want one ideological block to be asking questions because that's not the American people.

00:51:06.640 We aren't one ideological block.

00:51:09.020 Megan, you were just on a massive tour around the entire country.

00:51:12.720 You saw all of these different audiences.

00:51:14.860 You saw the different applause lines.

00:51:16.480 Even inside of this ecosystem, there are such a diversity of opinions.

00:51:20.720 And you spoke with people and you heard the boos and the laughs and the applause.

00:51:24.460 And it's different everywhere.

00:51:26.000 And so you need those perspectives to be represented.

00:51:28.500 And the best way to represent that is to ask a question.

00:51:31.120 Just hearing your perspective asked is a pressure release valve on society.

00:51:35.400 Yes.

00:51:35.740 And so it's a good thing what Trump's doing.

00:51:37.840 Right.

00:51:38.380 That's not how they see it.

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00:55:49.240 Well, I was going to say that's the perfect vest for David Muir of ABC News.

00:55:55.440 It's perfect, Megan.

00:55:57.080 He's probably your number one customer right now.

00:56:00.500 He's probably on there.

00:56:02.360 If you know, you know.

00:56:03.920 Tighter.

00:56:04.820 Megan, I just want to – it is your show, so I just want to give you an opportunity to explain that joke because it is absolutely one of my favorite rants of yours in history.

00:56:13.600 Oh, the David Muir thing?

00:56:17.340 Is that what you mean?

00:56:18.560 I mean, that was the biggest cinch that ever cinched.

00:56:21.640 The rain jacket?

00:56:23.560 Okay, so not only did it get caught – no, it wasn't a rain jacket.

00:56:26.860 It was a fake fireman's jacket.

00:56:28.540 He was pretending like your little boy in mind that he was a little fireman with his little reflective stripes on it.

00:56:35.640 And then he made the mistake of turning to gesture to something.

00:56:39.240 And we all saw the clothespins on the back of his fireman's jacket at a disaster scene.

00:56:43.880 It was like massive floods.

00:56:45.500 People were dying.

00:56:47.020 And he was worried about his waistline.

00:56:49.580 And he did it again, Benny, because we caught him out in the field at yet another disaster wearing literally this – a tight – I don't think his tight black T-shirt would have fit me.

00:57:00.160 He got like my size and put it on his man body.

00:57:04.760 And it looked normal in one of the shots.

00:57:07.340 And then when he got to the anchor shot, it looked all super cinched again.

00:57:11.400 The man loves showing off his teeny tiny waistline.

00:57:14.940 What is that exactly?

00:57:16.040 I mean, I guess he's just trying to delay the inevitable androgynous morph into the Rachel Maddow archetype.

00:57:21.800 Which, by the way, we didn't get a chance to say, like the clip of Katie Couric and Jen Psaki, they're like indistinguishable, right?

00:57:28.620 It's like they're all coalescing into the same hive mind, the same person, the same like sort of hermaphroditic, like sad, crippled old person. 0.85

00:57:36.840 It's terrible.

00:57:37.460 It's terrible.

00:57:38.020 It's wonderful to see you on the road because I was watching those clips and the energy was incredible in those stadiums.

00:57:45.800 And I know that it's not on the slate in the suite that your producer sent to me to talk about.

00:57:52.560 But if you don't mind, can I ask a question on here?

00:57:55.200 Like, that seems like a spiritual experience.

00:57:58.280 It was wonderful to see.

00:57:59.960 It's wonderful to see that kind of energy.

00:58:01.540 It's kind of the turning point energy that we get at these large stadium events.

00:58:05.720 You know, what's your biggest takeaway from that tour?

00:58:08.480 What spiritual moment are we in as a country right now since you've been out, you know, with the people?

00:58:14.360 I mean, my biggest takeaway was how healing it was for us all to be together.

00:58:18.860 It wasn't just me with the audience.

00:58:20.520 It was the audience with the audience.

00:58:23.280 You know, people need to be with others.

00:58:26.300 And when you can be surrounded by thousands of others with shared values, it's church.

00:58:32.900 You know, it's church on steroids. 0.95

00:58:35.320 Like so many people, for example, in Arizona and California, which were the last couple stops on the tour,

00:58:40.720 had flown in from Washington State.

00:58:43.600 One family had flown in from the U.K.

00:58:47.380 A woman wrote me a very nice note about it in my show mail.

00:58:50.720 Like people came from all over.

00:58:52.320 Why did they do that?

00:58:52.960 Because they wanted to see the show and they wanted to see the guests and so on.

00:58:56.300 But like they also wanted to be together.

00:58:58.600 And so sitting there, getting all the inside jokes, laughing with one another, rolling our eyes at the ridiculous left, it's therapeutic.

00:59:07.020 And so while the right is having like some infighting right now, Benny, and they're important infights, like they do need to be settled.

00:59:13.800 Like the stuff on Israel, there's something shifting in the party and it's going to have to go through this and settle wherever it needs to settle.

00:59:20.760 It was a long time coming, frankly.

00:59:23.260 Net, net, we're still together.

00:59:25.020 Net, net, nobody who's having these fights is going to vote for a Kamala Harris. 1.00

00:59:28.900 They're all going to vote for a Donald Trump or a Marco Rubio and I think for a J.D. Vance too, even though the neocons, he won't be their first choice.

00:59:35.880 But they're not going to vote for an AOC over him.

00:59:38.980 So we're in the same family.

00:59:40.860 We're having a family squabble and it matters.

00:59:43.100 But the big picture is what really matters.

00:59:45.900 And that's, I think, what I felt more than anything.

00:59:47.680 Like the audience felt that.

00:59:49.680 Like that night I had Tucker.

00:59:50.940 The next night I had Ben.

00:59:52.260 Half the audience, you know, was on Tucker's side.

00:59:54.780 Half the audience was on Ben's side.

00:59:56.600 Whatever, rounding my numbers.

00:59:57.760 But they all still came.

01:00:00.520 They all still wrote letters.

01:00:01.880 They got fired up about one and maybe not the other.

01:00:05.060 But we're all still part of the same family, you know.

01:00:07.500 And I know your viewers are part of the same family too.

01:00:09.700 It was great for me too.

01:00:11.760 It's great for them.

01:00:13.100 And honestly, like I was struck just on a separate level by the vast diversity in the audience, Benny.

01:00:21.500 You know, like in this realm, you don't really know exactly who your audience is.

01:00:26.040 Like when I was on Fox, I knew exactly what the key demos were.

01:00:28.720 I knew how many I had over 55.

01:00:31.500 I knew how many I had, you know, who are true senior citizens.

01:00:34.720 I knew how many young people I had watching the show every night.

01:00:37.680 And they would break it down for you demographically in terms of men and women, race.

01:00:41.380 You could find anything out you wanted thanks to Nielsen and some other metrics.

01:00:45.840 And now you don't really have that.

01:00:48.260 So it's like amazing.

01:00:49.940 And my takeaway is it's everybody.

01:00:53.300 It's like it's young people. 1.00

01:00:55.180 It's middle-aged people.

01:00:56.220 It's old people. 1.00

01:00:57.060 It's men.

01:00:57.720 It's women. 1.00

01:00:58.340 It's people who have money.

01:00:59.480 It's people who are working class.

01:01:00.720 It's truck drivers.

01:01:01.640 It's doctors.

01:01:02.240 It's judges.

01:01:03.320 It's ditch diggers. 0.58

01:01:05.120 Like it's you name it.

01:01:06.560 Like I was very proud of what an array there was in terms of socioeconomic status.

01:01:13.160 And also I would say, you know, maybe we have at the tour, we had slightly more female 1.00

01:01:18.900 attendance than we did male, but like tons and tons, thousands and thousands of men who

01:01:23.400 bought tickets and come and who've been watching me.

01:01:25.340 They tell me for 25 years, you know, it's crazy numbers.

01:01:28.540 Anyway, it's good too.

01:01:30.260 And I'll give you one other thing.

01:01:31.420 Sorry, I'm now I'm really rambling, but you and I both know in our business,

01:01:35.260 your primary interaction with the world can be on X, which I love and is my primary news

01:01:43.080 source, but also as a disgusting, filthy, toxic place where you get nothing but vitriol.

01:01:47.920 That's what we all sign up for.

01:01:49.040 You go to Insta for the niceness.

01:01:50.420 You go to X for the nastiness.

01:01:52.460 And if you spend too much time there, you can think that's real life.

01:01:57.060 And so getting out and seeing like a bunch of people who really listen to the show and

01:02:01.560 actually know me, you know, unlike the fake internet shit. 0.64

01:02:04.680 But like people to spend 10 hours with me a week, they know me and interacting with

01:02:09.780 them is so uplifting and just a good grounding reminder of what's real and not to listen to

01:02:14.980 like the nasty haters.

01:02:16.260 You know what I'm saying?

01:02:17.520 Yes, totally.

01:02:18.480 And not like I'm here to give your producers or the people who put your tour on advice.

01:02:23.360 I'm not smarter than them.

01:02:24.240 But as a man, can I give you a suggestion just to increase male attendance at these events?

01:02:35.800 If you want to increase male attendance at your next tour, then all you need to do is just

01:02:41.280 have one scheduling mistake.

01:02:43.200 And you simply need to schedule Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson on the same night and trick

01:02:51.060 one of them, okay?

01:02:53.000 And then welcome them both on stage at the same time.

01:02:55.380 And then just watch what happens, right?

01:02:57.000 Yeah.

01:02:57.560 Put the, then put the octagon up, okay?

01:02:59.980 And do the cage match and just let it happen, right?

01:03:03.520 I think that's what everybody wants, in fact.

01:03:05.460 I would have loved to.

01:03:06.900 And trust me, Benny, I tried very hard to convince them to talk behind the scenes.

01:03:10.420 I offered to do a private coffee in which I moderated.

01:03:14.120 Obviously, I offered the show if they wanted to do that, but I didn't want to commercialize

01:03:17.180 it.

01:03:17.300 It was really just truly about trying to find a way where they could, I don't know, get

01:03:21.480 to detente.

01:03:22.800 Private nicotine pouch session.

01:03:24.640 Yeah.

01:03:25.100 Yeah.

01:03:25.540 Neither one is in that headspace right now.

01:03:28.380 It's too bad.

01:03:29.720 That's kind of what Charlie always did, right?

01:03:31.600 Is he always moderate, you know, he always brought these forces together, like the infinity

01:03:36.180 stones, you know, and it broke the gravitational.

01:03:38.640 Uh, in incompatibility and then shoved guys like Elon Musk and Trump together, which is

01:03:45.760 still miraculous, RFK Jr. and Trump together, which is still miraculous, uh, you know, sort

01:03:51.200 of like bridging the populist, nationalist wings.

01:03:53.560 Charlie shoved me and Trump together.

01:03:55.260 He shoved me and Trump together.

01:03:57.100 That's where I first saw Trump.

01:03:59.200 Yes.

01:03:59.560 We'd already made up years earlier, but I hadn't seen him in like three years until Charlie

01:04:03.300 said, come meet him backstage at the, at the turning point event.

01:04:06.360 And, and I did and everything was fine.

01:04:08.460 And then we had an interview right after that.

01:04:09.700 Like, thanks to Charlie.

01:04:11.520 You talk about how there's infighting in the party right now and everybody, that's obviously

01:04:16.460 the headlines because they want to rip MAGA to pieces.

01:04:18.480 On some levels, they've been successful with like the Epstein op and we can talk about 0.97

01:04:22.500 that, but I want to talk about it as a, you know, in its totality, there's this incredible

01:04:26.520 map.

01:04:27.100 I, and I don't have it immediately printed out in front of me that shows the ideological

01:04:31.600 spectrum of the left and right.

01:04:33.400 It's pretty famous.

01:04:34.120 This gets posted on X all the time.

01:04:36.080 Um, and it shows how narrow the ideological perspective of the left has become because

01:04:42.060 they practice like they practice true intellectual purity, like true proper fascistic, uh, uh,

01:04:49.720 thought policing occurs on the left.

01:04:51.660 And so the blue circle of ID of what is ideologically acceptable on the left is teeny and then it

01:04:58.680 maps the right.

01:04:59.680 And this is a peer reviewed scientific study and it shows something that is at least 10

01:05:04.880 X or 15 X bigger that shows the various nodes of right-wing thought and ideology and what

01:05:10.920 is acceptable inside of our space.

01:05:13.120 And as you just demonstrated with your tour, there are so many different ideas and ideologies

01:05:16.980 that are, uh, roundly considered part of the right and Thanksgiving is just a couple hours

01:05:21.880 away.

01:05:22.300 Right.

01:05:22.760 So, um, I liken it to a Thanksgiving table with your drunk, with your aunts, right.

01:05:29.620 Who have drained an entire box of wine, you know, making, making dinner and they've argued

01:05:35.600 over the, yes, they've are.

01:05:37.420 Yes, exactly right.

01:05:38.700 That's right.

01:05:39.420 That's right.

01:05:39.840 A whole jug, a jug of Franzia is, is like, is an empty jug of Franzia is rolling around and

01:05:46.040 the boxes of wine are empty of Chardonnay.

01:05:48.000 And you're like, we're cooked, we're cooked.

01:05:50.180 And they want the, the aunts at your Thanksgiving dinner aren't going to scream and they're going 0.51

01:05:54.880 to throw things and they're going to argue and it might spill out onto the front yard.

01:06:00.000 But in the end, you're all family.

01:06:01.920 And in fact, you're treating yourself like that because you're family, we wouldn't treat

01:06:05.160 a stranger like that.

01:06:06.500 You know, some things you can only say to your family.

01:06:08.520 And in fact, you're, you're a friend and a brother when you do give hard truths to your

01:06:12.600 friends.

01:06:13.060 Like those are the, those are the kind of, you know, those are the, those are the people

01:06:16.080 who really are your friends, right?

01:06:17.600 Not the people who abandon you or don't get, let, give you good advice or let you keep wasting

01:06:22.420 your life or making mistakes or harming yourself.

01:06:25.300 It's actually your friends who give you the tough truths.

01:06:27.920 And so I don't mind this whole MAGA infighting thing.

01:06:30.760 I don't mind it at all.

01:06:31.720 I view it as a healthy family, uh, uh, crucible Thanksgiving dinner table.

01:06:37.400 That's messy and entertaining and exciting.

01:06:40.060 And it's because we have so much ideological adherence to free thought and free association,

01:06:48.080 which is our first amendment, damn it.

01:06:50.140 And that's what we all agreed on, right?

01:06:52.020 We all agree that we have free association and that above all else, we have the capacity

01:06:56.620 to disagree with each other, uh, without hating each other because that's evil and without

01:07:01.600 killing each other, which is what the left has now resorted to.

01:07:04.980 So if you want to see what like the opposite of my opinion is, it's not people who I disagree

01:07:10.060 with who have ugly ideas or naughty thoughts, uh, or, uh, you know, or, or, or opinions that

01:07:17.800 I don't like, because that's actually the point of this country.

01:07:21.140 Uh, the opposite of my ideology is somebody picks up a gun and kill someone to end the

01:07:27.780 argument.

01:07:28.400 And that's actually what we're fighting against.

01:07:30.740 Megan, I'd like to just realign our party into recognizing that this is good, that we

01:07:35.700 can all debate and disagree with each other.

01:07:37.640 The best ideas will rise to the top.

01:07:40.140 I'm sure you were surprised at various applause lines that were spoken at your tour, various

01:07:46.700 booze, you know, that people got it's, it's a, it's a wildly dynamic party.

01:07:50.480 What didn't happen at your tour is, is nobody got killed, right?

01:07:54.140 Like for disagreeing and that's America, uh, what the left wants is the people who they

01:08:01.280 disagree with to actually get harmed and killed.

01:08:04.700 Anna Navarro on the view, uh, bragging in fact, that Charlie got killed for his opinions

01:08:09.040 and that, that good, the good, in fact, what a, what an evil witch and monster, uh, what

01:08:14.680 a monstrous ideology, but they're going out and they're saying it right.

01:08:17.660 They're celebrating this result, uh, because that's what they believe and that's what they

01:08:21.760 want.

01:08:22.200 So it's good for us to paint a picture of the differences.

01:08:25.960 Um, and this is the Thanksgiving that you want to go to.

01:08:29.020 Yeah.

01:08:29.460 I love that.

01:08:30.200 And honestly, like I'll, I'll, I'll double down on it because I've been having a Twitter

01:08:36.700 war with Mark Levin and before that with this guy, Abe Greenwald of the commentary magazine

01:08:41.720 and many others who are, have just decided I'm against them because I won't disavow Tucker.

01:08:47.420 Um, I would take Mark Levin or Abe Greenwald or any of these people who are just very,

01:08:54.680 very pro Israel aren't mad at me over the Tucker thing any day of the week over this

01:09:00.880 crew.

01:09:01.300 I'm going to show you a soundbite.

01:09:02.720 It's going to disturb you.

01:09:04.100 You haven't seen it cause it just hit.

01:09:05.960 It's fucking awful.

01:09:07.860 It's Joy Reed and those two hateful hens. 1.00

01:09:11.500 I don't know what their names are.

01:09:12.660 One I think is named Jennifer. 1.00

01:09:13.720 Um, she's all over the internet, only saying hateful things about Republicans, but this

01:09:19.160 one is particularly vicious about Erica Kirk. 0.92

01:09:24.140 Watch this.

01:09:26.800 Motivates them.

01:09:27.580 So they can't have the successor to MAGA be the guy with the Brown Hindu wife. 0.99

01:09:32.500 They're also Christian nationalists.

01:09:34.100 That ain't gonna work.

01:09:34.860 That's why he's throwing his wife under the bus or Usha or she's in on it. 1.00

01:09:38.200 Right.

01:09:38.440 And she's playing slap and tickle with Erica Kirk's the weirdest shit I've ever seen. 1.00

01:09:42.440 Yeah, it's, she's like in her Tammy Faye era. 0.99

01:09:44.920 Okay.

01:09:45.520 Holding on the back of his head and rubbing on his head.

01:09:48.540 Some weird shit.

01:09:49.920 Baby.

01:09:50.860 Don't do that to Jason.

01:09:52.200 I'm gonna start thinking something's going on.

01:09:53.940 Why are you holding the back of his head?

01:09:55.960 I'm like, you, you not doing that right thing.

01:09:57.880 You supposed to be a widow. 1.00

01:09:58.760 You in leather pants.

01:10:00.540 Yeah.

01:10:00.920 That's not widow wear.

01:10:02.220 Could you imagine if, wouldn't it be the most perfect fairytale, MAGA fairytale?

01:10:09.220 Yeah.

01:10:09.860 If he finally sees the light that he needs a white queen instead of this brown Hindu? 1.00

01:10:15.860 I mean, I'm not saying that's happening.

01:10:17.980 Right.

01:10:18.500 Or maybe that Usha's not even in on it.

01:10:20.200 Maybe she's, whatever.

01:10:21.140 But that's, that's one entrant.

01:10:23.260 Another entrant is frankly Donald Trump Jr.

01:10:25.380 if he can, you know, you know, keep it together.

01:10:30.420 This is so sick.

01:10:32.320 She's speculating who Erica is gonna be with.

01:10:36.860 She's gonna break up JD's marriage. 1.00

01:10:39.920 She's gonna wind up with Don Jr. 0.96

01:10:41.540 She's not wearing the appropriate clothes in Joy Reid's view for a widow. 0.98

01:10:48.320 And the nerve to get it, to get out there.

01:10:50.840 She, that other woman, she's in her Tammy Faye era.

01:10:53.460 Fuck you.

01:10:54.500 You absolute disgusting evil cretin.

01:10:58.000 She is in mourning.

01:11:00.660 You've seen her only at very public appearances.

01:11:03.420 Like when she accepted the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

01:11:06.320 Last night she did as a favor to me because I've been out there for Charlie and she knew

01:11:10.820 Charlie and I were friends.

01:11:12.980 And yeah, when she goes on camera, terrible, awful, unknown podcast lady, she puts on makeup

01:11:19.840 because the cleat lights are on her, because the cameras are on her.

01:11:23.240 And if she didn't, you'd be judging that too.

01:11:26.580 So yeah, she's beautiful.

01:11:27.520 And she's used to looking nice on camera.

01:11:29.460 And that's to her credit that she's able to pull it together.

01:11:31.900 She cried the entire night, Benny Johnson, but through our interview the other night,

01:11:36.180 she was holding it together.

01:11:38.420 But she was nonstop tears.

01:11:39.960 But she looked beautiful.

01:11:41.520 And these hateful witches hold it against her and want to speculate about how it's an ultimate 1.00

01:11:47.340 MAGA fantasy for JD to break up with the brown one and wind up with Erica Kirk. 0.94

01:11:54.160 What kind of hate – give me the divided, angry right any day of the week.

01:12:02.180 Yeah.

01:12:03.500 And there's a difference.

01:12:05.220 The difference actually is in the data.

01:12:07.680 I mean, what you saw there, you're exactly right to call it hateful, evil.

01:12:11.240 Well, it's demonic to laugh at and speculate on a widow who just had her children orphaned

01:12:19.760 and her husband killed on a live stream.

01:12:22.500 The world saw it and murdered in some of the most heinous act of political violence in

01:12:26.640 our generation.

01:12:28.600 I mean, tantamount effectively to our own JFK assassination.

01:12:33.940 And this is what happened.

01:12:34.720 And so now they're harassing and making fun of our era's Jackie Kennedy, Jacqueline Kennedy.

01:12:45.100 And what does it say about you when you can do something like that?

01:12:49.320 How could you possibly resort to doing that?

01:12:53.920 First off, being a parent, you're a parent.

01:12:56.340 I'm a parent of young children.

01:12:58.200 Being a parent of young children is the most excruciating and most difficult and toughest

01:13:03.400 job on earth.

01:13:04.960 And then to celebrate the widowing of that woman and the orphaning of those children. 0.85

01:13:12.180 You're evil.

01:13:13.200 You know, you're a demon.

01:13:14.340 In fact, that's just demonic activity.

01:13:16.480 And I can say that as a Christian, not as a pejorative, but as something that is doctrinal

01:13:21.440 from a Christian perspective, because you can see actually the fruits of Satan in people. 0.74

01:13:26.140 You can know them by their actions.

01:13:27.840 In fact, you can judge people by their fruits.

01:13:29.460 Now, let me explain, Megan, why I know that the right won't do this, because as we talked

01:13:34.780 about earlier in this show, Joe Biden has terminal cancer.

01:13:38.840 Now, I have an audience.

01:13:40.580 We have 20 million subscribers across multiple platforms.

01:13:43.740 We track very closely sentiment of our audience on certain topics.

01:13:48.380 I didn't find a single member of my audience celebrating Joe Biden's imminent death.

01:13:55.100 No one.

01:13:56.280 I, as a matter of fact, prayed for him live on the show.

01:13:58.940 I prayed for him.

01:14:00.040 Now, I think Joe Biden's the worst president in American history.

01:14:03.060 I think I've spent as much effort as I possibly can to make sure that he doesn't become president

01:14:08.380 again or that we hampered as much of his time as president as possible.

01:14:12.380 I don't like Joe Biden.

01:14:13.780 I don't want Joe Biden anywhere near power.

01:14:15.480 I didn't once laugh, giggle or snort at Joe Biden becoming a widow or his children losing

01:14:21.820 their father because I can separate the human element of this, the spiritual element of

01:14:26.300 this, my soul, right?

01:14:28.700 As a person, I want that to be reflective of Christ.

01:14:32.160 That's my religion.

01:14:33.500 I can separate that from the politics.

01:14:35.140 The left can't do that.

01:14:35.860 Why, Megan?

01:14:36.520 And it's very important to understand why.

01:14:38.720 The left can't do that because they don't believe in God.

01:14:40.740 According to Gallup, 93% of Republicans believe in God or a God.

01:14:48.720 Less than 60% of Democrats believe in God.

01:14:52.180 So you can just kind of round number that to about half of Democrats don't believe in

01:14:56.120 God.

01:14:56.460 If you don't believe in God, then you don't believe that we were created in God's image.

01:15:01.440 This is the first book of Genesis.

01:15:03.020 This is like the doctrinal creation story shared across religions is that we are created by

01:15:09.220 God and we have a purpose and we have value higher than the animals that were created

01:15:13.980 different and that all human life is precious, no matter who you are, where you come from,

01:15:18.040 what your skin color is, and that it is a moral evil to take that life or to celebrate 0.98

01:15:22.400 the taking of that life.

01:15:24.160 And that, Megan, is the ballgame. 0.80

01:15:26.840 That actually explains these differences.

01:15:28.920 If you don't believe in God, if you have that hatred in your heart, if you don't believe

01:15:33.560 that human life is precious and all life is effectively just a power struggle, then you're

01:15:39.720 just simply going to want power.

01:15:41.200 And if it takes death to get there, then you're just like all the other Marxists who've killed

01:15:44.580 a hundred million people this last century, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, and Joseph Stalin.

01:15:49.240 You're the same as all of them.

01:15:51.260 And here's the final thing I'll say on this, Megan.

01:15:53.980 They want us to hate them because that means they win.

01:15:57.440 When hatred inspires more hatred through name calling or sneering or laughing at orphaned

01:16:05.500 children, when they can pull you down to their level, when Satan can tell you to eat the

01:16:11.220 apple and you take a bite and you then begin to reflect the same hatred they have, they win.

01:16:18.580 That's why they call you an anti-Semite.

01:16:21.060 That's why they call you a racist.

01:16:22.920 That's why they call you Hitler. 0.63

01:16:24.580 Is it because I'm Hitler?

01:16:26.060 No, it's because they want me to hate them.

01:16:31.220 They make absurdities.

01:16:33.300 They make these straw man arguments and they come at you, come at your family, they come

01:16:38.860 at your children to bring you down to their level.

01:16:41.240 And if they can do that, they win.

01:16:43.580 That is why critically in this Christmas season, Megan, we have to remember as Christians and

01:16:47.580 we have to remember as the moral movement that we are, the 93% of our party that believes

01:16:52.560 in God and believes in the foundations of this country.

01:16:54.900 We have to not let them win by welcoming that hatred into our hearts.

01:16:59.400 And they're working overtime to get us to hate them.

01:17:01.760 Yeah.

01:17:02.300 We must respond.

01:17:03.620 Some of us are weaker than others like me.

01:17:05.160 We have to respond with love.

01:17:06.600 We have to respond with love and laughter and charity and joy.

01:17:10.640 And there's nothing evil hates, and there's nothing evil hates more than us laughing in

01:17:15.080 their faces, living out our lives with our children, with our loving families, with the

01:17:20.200 things they will never have.

01:17:21.880 And that destroys them.

01:17:23.840 They're miserable and we're happy.

01:17:25.500 That means we've won.

01:17:26.980 Mm-hmm.

01:17:27.340 What you say is very interesting to me because, you know, my audience knows I've been on this

01:17:31.660 faith journey now for quite some time, but went into overtime after Charlie's death.

01:17:37.640 And I've been watching a lot of debates involving and also reading books by William Lane Craig,

01:17:44.080 who is this extremely smart man who's on our side, who runs around doing atheist debates,

01:17:50.540 you know, with Christopher Hitchens and other doubters, who's got like a very sound, he's

01:17:55.420 brilliant, he's very well educated, and he's studied this and written about this for his

01:17:58.820 entire life, trying to find like the historical evidence of Christ and engaging in like full-throated

01:18:07.060 debates about like cosmology, not cosmetology, that's makeup, and how it really does support

01:18:15.060 the Christian beliefs, not the atheist beliefs.

01:18:17.280 And one of the things he, one of the points he often makes is that if there's no God, then

01:18:23.220 there's just, there's no morality.

01:18:25.300 There's no morality.

01:18:26.220 There's no hardcore foundation for good and evil, for judging actions.

01:18:31.400 And what you were just saying dovetails perfectly into that.

01:18:34.500 Like his predictions are about like a society where there is no God.

01:18:38.800 You're talking about a faction, a political group that has no God.

01:18:43.160 And it's leading to the same result.

01:18:45.560 One would be worldwide in his, you know, worst case scenario.

01:18:49.140 And yours is a party-wide situation for a disturbing number of people who are on the left.

01:18:57.420 Not all, some are faithful, but it is a disturbing number who have no God in their life and have

01:19:03.420 lost all tether to good and evil, to like a fundamental level of decency and honor, kindness.

01:19:12.140 I don't, I like, I do not get the absolute ripping apart of a new widow whose main goal 1.00

01:19:19.640 every day is to make sure her children are okay because their father was shot to death

01:19:24.640 two months ago.

01:19:26.640 This isn't five years ago or maybe it would make its way into a joke here or there on

01:19:32.060 a late night show.

01:19:33.060 I don't, whatever.

01:19:33.500 It's just part of the national healing process.

01:19:35.360 This is two months.

01:19:36.580 It's raw.

01:19:37.520 Everyone's still in mourning, especially the Kirk family.

01:19:40.160 And she was in the center of their target as their bullseye as they laughed at her. 0.53

01:19:46.120 That one podcaster there in the clip you played, her name's Jennifer Horn. 0.78

01:19:51.900 Nobody is quite sure where the hell she came from.

01:19:54.540 I don't really know who she is, but I know that she went viral in the weeks after Charlie's

01:19:59.120 assassination by saying that that was a warning and that if Democrats don't get on board with

01:20:05.560 fighting MAGA, that that's going to happen to you.

01:20:08.160 And they're just out and out saying it, right?

01:20:10.740 So the top law enforcement official in Virginia now is somebody who wants to kill Republican

01:20:14.540 babies, like kill their children, right? 0.62

01:20:16.780 Because they're a little fascist.

01:20:18.400 Triple down on it.

01:20:19.140 The mask is off, right?

01:20:21.220 So the mask is off.

01:20:22.120 They're telling us who they are.

01:20:23.440 We have to believe them.

01:20:26.600 And more importantly, Megan, we have to be able to counter this.

01:20:30.440 We have to accept what this is and to be able to present the counter argument so that

01:20:37.600 this doesn't continue to warp and shape the way that politics is done in America with

01:20:43.020 assassination culture. 0.86

01:20:44.540 You know, it's totally and completely evil.

01:20:47.980 It's something that's really wrong.

01:20:49.280 What a crazy term you just used, but you're not wrong. 1.00

01:20:51.780 Assassination culture. 0.83

01:20:52.880 That's like, it's a thing now after Luigi, after Charlie.

01:20:56.200 So yeah, just one final thought.

01:20:57.840 The Constitution, so it's like the civil rights era, right?

01:21:00.480 Is like the favorite thing for these people, okay?

01:21:02.240 That was like the crowning achievement.

01:21:03.980 How do you get that without, I mean, they point back to our founding documents, right?

01:21:07.920 About America's, you know, that's what the founders would have wanted.

01:21:10.960 But they never look at the words.

01:21:13.440 All men are what, Megan? 0.67

01:21:15.380 All men are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights.

01:21:23.360 If you take God out of the founding documents, then you have no America.

01:21:30.240 You have no reason to free the slaves.

01:21:32.960 You have no reason for the civil rights era or for women's suffrage or for any of it, in fact.

01:21:38.000 If you remove God from the equation, as the left does and is constantly on the march to do, then their ideology becomes pure fascism.

01:21:49.520 There is no America founding without that.

01:21:51.540 Yes, that's right.

01:21:52.580 So that is the fact.

01:21:53.540 So foundationally, yes, all men created equal, endowed by their creator.

01:21:57.980 If you remove that, then you're just left with totalitarianism.

01:22:01.520 I just want to show you, I asked Erica Kirk for what it's worth about that moment where she hugged JD.

01:22:07.880 I mean, she hugged me just as warmly and closely.

01:22:13.800 She's a hugger. 0.51

01:22:14.320 And then she's a total hugger, which we love.

01:22:16.860 I mean, honestly, I loved it.

01:22:18.140 I felt like I was next to God.

01:22:19.840 That's how it feels when you're around her.

01:22:21.400 Like, you're just with somebody who's got a more evolved spiritual presence and connection with the Almighty.

01:22:26.860 Something to aspire to.

01:22:28.060 So anyway, here she is talking about the JD hug.

01:22:31.760 And then on the back end, we'll play the one where the follow up.

01:22:35.360 We just watch.

01:22:37.580 Forgive me.

01:22:38.400 Did you see people didn't understand the hug that you and JD had?

01:22:42.780 They went to the weirdest places, Erica.

01:22:45.120 Oh my gosh.

01:22:46.440 You guys, please.

01:22:48.940 So for those of you who know me, I never, I, I'm a very, I love, I hug.

01:22:55.440 Yes, you're an intense hugger.

01:22:56.680 It's awesome.

01:22:56.940 If whoever is like hating on a hug, needs a hug themselves, I will give you a free hug anytime you want a hug.

01:23:03.960 My love language is touch, if you will.

01:23:06.420 But seriously, that hug.

01:23:07.900 So I will give you a play-by-play.

01:23:11.040 Walking.

01:23:11.640 They just played the emotional video.

01:23:14.200 I'm walking over.

01:23:15.440 He's walking over.

01:23:16.680 I'm starting to cry.

01:23:18.180 He says, he's so proud of you.

01:23:20.860 And I say, God bless you.

01:23:22.580 And I touch the back of his head.

01:23:24.260 Anyone who I have hugged that I have touched the back of your head when I hug you, I always say, God bless you.

01:23:31.540 That's just me.

01:23:32.840 If you want to take that out of context, go right ahead.

01:23:35.400 Again, that to me shows that you need a hug more than anyone else.

01:23:38.200 They were acting like you touched the back of his ass.

01:23:43.260 I feel like I wouldn't get as much hate if I did that versus...

01:23:49.580 Watching people turn on you has been one of the most unexpected, strange, terrible things since he died.

01:23:57.100 Again, and I know you get this because you have a very, you have a thick skin and a soft heart.

01:24:02.480 The thing is, is that the more that people, and it gets outlandish more and more crazy as time goes on because there's just a void that apparently needs to be filled.

01:24:12.540 But I'm okay with the world not understanding me.

01:24:17.380 I'm okay with that.

01:24:18.520 I'm okay with they, you know, I don't want to look like the world.

01:24:27.260 We're, as Christians, we're called to be in the world, not of it.

01:24:31.120 And if they could understand me, then I'm not doing something right.

01:24:36.160 She's so evolved, Benny.

01:24:37.820 That's exactly the right answer.

01:24:41.100 Yes, she is.

01:24:42.620 You just said it.

01:24:43.380 You're evolved too.

01:24:44.160 I'm the only one who's still here in the sewer plant thinking about what I can do to Jennifer.

01:24:50.140 Well, okay.

01:24:50.740 Well, yeah, I mean, President Trump famously goes on after Erica Kirk forgives her husband's assassin and goes, I hate my enemies.

01:24:57.740 I don't love my enemies.

01:24:58.820 I hate them, you know.

01:24:59.940 They hate them.

01:25:00.420 Everyone laughs, right?

01:25:01.580 I hate them.

01:25:02.100 And everyone can experience that.

01:25:04.140 And actually, doctrinally, from a Christian perspective, that's totally aligned.

01:25:10.380 And I know that a lot of people don't study this, and I'm no theologian at all, right?

01:25:14.300 I'm just a guy who's a simple Christian.

01:25:16.140 I just read my Bible.

01:25:17.140 I try to understand it.

01:25:17.960 I call my pastor, and he tries to knock some sense into me.

01:25:21.320 You know, but listen, first off, that is aligned, and it's very important to understand this, to separate the two.

01:25:27.540 So, for your own soul, you're supposed to forgive people, and you're supposed to love them and practice the Beatitudes, the exact inverse of what the world tells you to do.

01:25:39.000 And that is Christianity. 0.52

01:25:40.600 That's Christendom.

01:25:41.240 That's us living it out.

01:25:42.360 But there's a verse in Romans, Romans 13, that says that the governments and the law of the nations is established by God, and he gives them the sword to wield, not for the good men, but for the terror of evil men.

01:25:57.580 And it is good to – that's a New Testament.

01:26:01.140 That's not Old Testament.

01:26:01.960 That's New Testament.

01:26:02.820 And it is calling for us as a moral and good people to make sure that our government has the sword to punish evil, to make sure that they live in – not just live in fear.

01:26:12.760 Feeling better, yeah.

01:26:13.640 That they live in terror, actually, that evil people should be terror, should live in terror from a government of good men.

01:26:22.420 And so you have to ask the question, and this is the final – you know, as I get older, you know, I'm pushing 40.

01:26:27.340 As I get older, I'm realizing this.

01:26:29.060 As I raise my own kids, as I see the world around me, I'm realizing something, Megan, that the – it can all be boiled down to one question, critical for our ruling class, which is, is there a God, and do you think you're God?

01:26:43.680 You know, are you God, or is there actually a higher power above what we're all doing?

01:26:48.860 And those who believe in that higher power totally structure their lives differently, entirely.

01:26:53.940 The tax don't work, the ad hominems don't work, the pejoratives don't work, the deplatforming or the jailing, it doesn't work.

01:27:02.120 You're totally aligned, and that's why you can still see joyful audiences in spite of good and bad things happening to our movement all the time.

01:27:09.600 On the left –

01:27:10.500 And also, here's another thing.

01:27:11.920 They also understand as Christians that persecution is part of it.

01:27:15.100 Of course.

01:27:15.820 Yes.

01:27:16.540 In fact, you know, it's something that is a mark of honor.

01:27:19.720 It's a badge of honor.

01:27:21.760 When you are persecuted, the Christian church is a church and not completely smote because of a martyrdom, a man named Stephen who was the first martyr.

01:27:31.880 And that's what actually inspired Christianity, that him dying, Stephen getting killed for his belief, let people know, wait a second, this isn't just an old story.

01:27:41.820 This is something people believe in because people don't die for a lie.

01:27:45.360 Charlie Kirk died –

01:27:45.840 Well, exactly.

01:27:46.560 Not for a lie, for the truth.

01:27:47.820 Charlie Kirk died doing what he loved, which was telling the truth on campus.

01:27:52.180 That's right.

01:27:52.780 And he died for truth.

01:27:54.360 And that's why we've seen this incredible moment.

01:27:57.080 I still don't know exactly how to diagnose it, and I never will.

01:28:00.440 You were live on stage in front of a massive arena with Erica Kirk.

01:28:03.940 What was that exactly?

01:28:05.780 What was the spiritual energy there?

01:28:07.440 I don't know, but that's the power of martyrdom.

01:28:10.240 Yeah.

01:28:10.320 It's overwhelming.

01:28:11.120 That is another one of the points as I go through all these books, so many books.

01:28:14.500 I was talking to Frank Turek about it backstage after Erica, that in favor of believing, believing in the resurrection, believing that Jesus was Christ, which is no man will die for a lie.

01:28:26.900 And the disciples who were put to death after Jesus was crucified and came back, and they told everyone about it.

01:28:36.420 They said what they witnessed, that they saw him.

01:28:38.280 They saw him.

01:28:38.880 It wasn't just like he was missing from the grave.

01:28:41.180 They actually saw him, and they were killed for it.

01:28:43.740 And no man would willingly go to his death.

01:28:45.800 These were Jews who were going to be killed for saying this blasphemy that Jesus was Christ and that he'd come back, and they went to their deaths willingly following his example. 1.00

01:28:56.480 So anyway, I know everybody already knows this, but I am on my own little faith discovery at a ripe old age in life, Benny, and it's been very helpful to me.

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01:31:44.160 I said something that was pretty simple and non-controversial,

01:31:50.060 and that was that members of the military should follow the law.

01:31:54.240 And in response to that, Donald Trump said,

01:31:57.300 I should be executed.

01:31:58.880 I should be hanged.

01:32:00.780 I should be prosecuted.

01:32:03.120 I think it says a lot more about him than it says about me.

01:32:06.940 He doesn't want accountability.

01:32:09.480 I'm not sure it was quite that non-controversial.

01:32:13.140 Welcome back to the Megan Kelly Show.

01:32:14.400 My guest today, Benny Johnson.

01:32:15.680 That was Senator Mark Kelly, husband of Gabby Giffords, former astronaut and member of the

01:32:22.420 military.

01:32:22.800 And he is suggesting that he did absolutely nothing wrong in the so-called Seditious Six

01:32:28.720 video, in which they made very clear their opinion, advising U.S. troops that if they

01:32:34.080 receive an illegal order from Donald Trump, they should ignore it.

01:32:38.040 It came out of nowhere.

01:32:39.320 No one knew exactly what they were talking about.

01:32:41.120 They haven't been very good at identifying exactly what they meant, but now there's an

01:32:46.120 investigation that's been opened by the Pentagon into Mark Kelly because he was in the military

01:32:53.420 and the others were CIA or Intel services.

01:32:56.660 And so he's still within their jurisdiction, and they're considering a court-martial because

01:33:01.400 he's inserting himself in the chain of command between the commander-in-chief and his troops.

01:33:05.240 What do you make of it?

01:33:05.960 I have four little children at home, five, three, two, and eight months old.

01:33:15.260 And so my home has a tendency for disorder, Megan.

01:33:19.820 Now, my wife and I have disagreements, clearly.

01:33:26.400 You know, you always have that in any healthy relationship.

01:33:29.980 We sort those out as best we can.

01:33:31.540 But there's one thing that we have total and complete agreement on, which is when an order

01:33:36.820 goes down from one of us, we are the commanders-in-chief of our household, those children must follow

01:33:42.960 orders.

01:33:44.200 Otherwise, the house will immediately and inextricably entropy.

01:33:52.740 Everything will fall apart.

01:33:54.020 But if my wife is undermining me or I'm undermining my wife, if she says no dessert or you've had

01:34:02.300 enough candy and I'm sneaking them candy, if she says pick up your toys and I am helping 0.97

01:34:08.780 them make a mess, then things are going to spiral out of control and it's going to happen

01:34:13.820 quickly.

01:34:14.280 And everyone can understand that.

01:34:16.580 Parents get that innately.

01:34:18.480 I know that you are a parent, obviously, also of kids, you know, I think they're relatively

01:34:24.920 young.

01:34:25.420 Yeah.

01:34:25.700 There you go.

01:34:26.220 Okay.

01:34:26.360 So you remember these days, they weren't that long ago, when things could really fly off

01:34:31.160 the rails.

01:34:32.620 And so everyone gets that.

01:34:34.780 You know, we all understand that.

01:34:36.560 But all the more so if my kids had nukes, right?

01:34:41.380 Like all the more so if my kids were in charge of nuclear submarines or Abrams tanks or F-22

01:34:47.940 Raptors or a bunch of deadly weapons.

01:34:50.540 All the more so if like a stray bullet fired from one of my kids could start a world war

01:34:55.360 because we have a base in every damn country on earth, right?

01:34:59.460 And we have outward looking bases in countries that hate us.

01:35:02.840 And so one wrong move for my children, you know, could potentially plunge the world into

01:35:08.900 nuclear war.

01:35:09.620 That's, of course, terrible.

01:35:10.820 And that is why the military has such swift, such tight controls on standard order and

01:35:19.260 on following orders and processes in order to sift out and to punish illegal orders.

01:35:25.960 Those already exist.

01:35:27.780 When you have members of Congress that are using their position in the federal government

01:35:32.660 as partisan Democrats brandishing their military service and then instructing our children

01:35:41.300 to disobey their parents, that's not order.

01:35:45.800 That's going to lead to a nightmarish scenario.

01:35:48.420 That's going to lead to an insurrection.

01:35:49.920 It's going to lead to civil war.

01:35:51.340 It's going to lead to world war. 0.91

01:35:53.400 It's going to lead to something terrible happening.

01:35:55.200 And our troops without a thought for it.

01:35:58.200 They only want to look like political grandstanders, like they're tough, like they're taking on

01:36:01.600 trouble.

01:36:02.700 Yes, of course.

01:36:03.500 But they're defying the law.

01:36:04.760 And I'm really in favor of the court-martial of Mark Kelly.

01:36:07.620 I'm in favor of more harsh punishments.

01:36:10.240 I want more harsh punishments, please, like from the Trump administration on a slate of issues,

01:36:16.180 whether it's the pipe bomber or whether it's Epstein files, you know, or whether it was

01:36:22.040 the bad actors, James Comey and John Brennan and so on, you need to have, much like in a

01:36:27.240 household, you need to have disciplinary action to prevent bad behavior.

01:36:31.060 So I hope that they really do court-martial them.

01:36:34.100 Okay, now we have to end on a lighter note.

01:36:37.160 Why won't Jennifer Lopez wear clothing? 1.00

01:36:40.340 Explain this to me.

01:36:41.240 She's 56.

01:36:42.880 I think she's almost 57 now.

01:36:44.320 She went to perform at some billionaire's wedding in India.

01:36:47.960 Oh, no.

01:36:48.380 Let me just show you what she chose to wear.

01:36:50.180 Like she, I'm not begrudging her looking good at her age, but I'm in favor of clothing.

01:36:54.920 Just a little.

01:36:55.760 It doesn't have to be that much, but generally to cover your vag, like that at 57 seems like

01:37:01.780 an appropriate standard.

01:37:03.100 Let's watch.

01:37:03.660 I'm feeling inside.

01:37:06.160 I find it so stupid.

01:37:07.980 So what should I hide?

01:37:09.960 That I say to make love to you, babe.

01:37:15.120 I'm feeling inside.

01:37:17.180 So many ways to touch you tonight.

01:37:21.180 I'm a big girl by the side.

01:37:24.280 Take whatever you want in and in a line.

01:37:26.860 And whatever you want, girl, and put your name on the night tonight.

01:37:31.960 That's right.

01:37:33.960 In having fun tonight.

01:37:35.200 Do you love?

01:37:36.460 Come on.

01:37:38.180 Do we say I'm holding a muitos nhưng? 0.88

01:37:40.740 Come on.

01:37:41.960 Picture in your mind a thong

01:37:48.600 bathing suit, right? Like a thong

01:37:50.720 bathing suit, except the person put it on

01:37:52.780 backward. That's

01:37:54.440 what the front of her looks 1.00

01:37:56.900 like. Denny,

01:37:58.620 it's too much. It's like a Borat

01:38:00.740 swimsuit. Yeah, okay. I'm sure.

01:38:03.400 Why? Yeah, that's

01:38:04.820 yeah, I mean, I don't, you know,

01:38:06.780 I don't get it, you know, act your age.

01:38:09.340 I think that this is like exactly

01:38:11.080 I think that this is just

01:38:12.980 first off, I've never felt bad for Ben

01:38:16.480 Affleck, but he's

01:38:18.500 like married and divorced this lady like seven 1.00

01:38:20.020 times, all right, for probably

01:38:21.740 these reasons.

01:38:24.100 There's nothing more beautiful

01:38:25.680 than a woman 0.97

01:38:27.780 who is aging

01:38:30.060 gracefully because the beauty

01:38:32.300 doesn't have to do with like how much skin

01:38:34.380 you can show and in a world

01:38:36.440 of synthetics and

01:38:38.400 OnlyFans and AI

01:38:39.940 and, you know,

01:38:41.880 claptraps all throughout the

01:38:43.680 internet. It's less

01:38:45.260 it's less valuable than

01:38:47.500 ever.

01:38:48.600 So it's actually

01:38:49.760 the reason why the meme on the right

01:38:51.680 for young men

01:38:52.460 is that they want a

01:38:54.240 trad wife,

01:38:55.980 not a

01:38:57.340 party whore. 1.00

01:38:58.880 They want a woman wearing 1.00

01:39:00.620 like a dress, like a sunflower

01:39:02.600 dress, right?

01:39:04.060 Baking a sourdough.

01:39:05.840 Right.

01:39:06.000 They want that woman. 0.95

01:39:06.740 My 16 year old said that to me.

01:39:07.500 My 16 year old said to me,

01:39:09.200 the kids my age do not want

01:39:11.020 these girls wearing next to 1.00

01:39:12.620 nothing.

01:39:13.040 They like, obviously, some

01:39:14.140 contingent does.

01:39:14.840 But he's like, some modesty

01:39:16.340 actually is considered very

01:39:17.920 attractive, even at the teenage

01:39:19.220 level.

01:39:20.620 Yeah, because what does that signal

01:39:21.660 to men?

01:39:22.880 That signals to men that 0.83

01:39:24.300 sex is 0.97

01:39:25.520 is precious

01:39:26.440 and is a gift

01:39:28.160 that should be

01:39:29.800 obviously

01:39:30.720 it should be.

01:39:32.460 Oh, no.

01:39:33.120 Oh, goodness.

01:39:33.760 It's the backward. 1.00

01:39:34.360 Look at it.

01:39:34.880 It's the backward thong.

01:39:37.460 Yeah.

01:39:37.700 It's ridiculous.

01:39:38.700 And this was honestly one of the

01:39:40.320 more modest outfits

01:39:41.340 she wore there.

01:39:42.280 Another one was this

01:39:43.140 leather strappy.

01:39:44.580 Look at this.

01:39:45.600 Look at this.

01:39:46.100 For the listening audience,

01:39:47.800 it's just like two horizontal

01:39:48.900 stripes over her backside 0.99

01:39:50.060 and then one over the front

01:39:51.760 side.

01:39:52.240 And you can see virtually

01:39:53.380 everything.

01:39:54.500 I'm sorry, Benny.

01:39:55.960 Why can't we have somebody

01:39:57.140 who's like she had her day 1.00

01:39:58.860 of being the sex kitten

01:40:00.020 when she was in her 20s

01:40:01.120 and early 30s.

01:40:01.880 It worked.

01:40:02.740 Made her a star.

01:40:04.240 Why can't she now 0.98

01:40:05.900 as she's getting closer

01:40:07.100 to pushing 60?

01:40:08.540 Just you can still be saucy.

01:40:10.420 She could wear a tight dress.

01:40:11.360 She could pull a Tina Turner. 1.00

01:40:12.700 Right.

01:40:13.020 Who never lost her sex appeal 0.95

01:40:14.600 ever.

01:40:15.240 But didn't look desperate

01:40:17.960 ever either.

01:40:21.080 You know,

01:40:21.920 Melania Trump

01:40:22.820 is one of those women 1.00

01:40:23.480 who,

01:40:25.540 like yesterday,

01:40:26.340 she welcomes

01:40:26.920 the Christmas tree

01:40:27.640 to the White House.

01:40:28.600 She's wearing

01:40:29.380 multiple heavy layers

01:40:30.680 and she's the most

01:40:31.800 beautiful woman on earth.

01:40:33.220 Right.

01:40:33.540 You're seeing plaid,

01:40:35.040 like Christmas plaid

01:40:36.420 Manolos on,

01:40:38.020 which were

01:40:38.580 to die for.

01:40:40.480 And her whole ensemble

01:40:41.780 just screamed

01:40:42.720 class

01:40:44.080 and classic beauty.

01:40:45.880 I don't know what that,

01:40:46.640 I don't know what a Manolo is.

01:40:48.380 Are you talking about her heels,

01:40:49.480 her shoes? 0.65

01:40:50.540 Yes.

01:40:50.900 Okay.

01:40:52.160 That's a random guess.

01:40:53.280 It could have been something

01:40:53.800 in her hair.

01:40:54.440 But whatever,

01:40:54.980 whatever that is,

01:40:56.340 you know,

01:40:56.620 as men,

01:40:57.020 we don't have any idea

01:40:57.660 what the hell it is. 0.54

01:40:58.380 We just look at the full package.

01:40:59.960 Right.

01:41:00.240 As men,

01:41:01.440 we're like very simple

01:41:02.260 binary creatures.

01:41:03.160 And again,

01:41:03.980 in a world of AI synthetics

01:41:05.320 and like,

01:41:06.600 you know,

01:41:06.940 cheap,

01:41:07.460 only fan thoughts,

01:41:08.900 you know,

01:41:09.400 this stuff is like

01:41:10.120 less valuable than ever.

01:41:11.320 Right.

01:41:11.600 Being out there

01:41:12.300 and,

01:41:12.640 you know,

01:41:13.560 bearing,

01:41:14.380 you know,

01:41:14.600 pretty much walking around naked.

01:41:16.680 What is,

01:41:17.760 what is really rare

01:41:19.040 and always has been actually

01:41:20.380 is true beauty

01:41:21.920 and true beauty

01:41:23.460 that sort of emanates

01:41:24.700 from the inside

01:41:25.520 and that makes you a,

01:41:27.200 makes you a beautiful

01:41:28.060 and light and bright person

01:41:29.500 that you,

01:41:29.900 that you actually want

01:41:30.680 to be around.

01:41:31.960 And it's remarkable.

01:41:33.420 That's the reason why

01:41:34.080 Erica Kirk hugs people actually

01:41:35.580 because she's,

01:41:37.080 she's,

01:41:37.460 people gravitate towards her

01:41:38.620 because of that.

01:41:39.440 It has not really little

01:41:40.420 to do with what she's wearing.

01:41:41.820 I watched it happen,

01:41:42.760 just a real quick story.

01:41:43.700 I watched that happen

01:41:44.240 with Elon Musk of all people.

01:41:45.460 If there's one guy

01:41:46.480 who is a literal Terminator robot,

01:41:48.880 you know,

01:41:49.280 androgynous

01:41:50.000 and is literally behaves

01:41:51.220 like a robot,

01:41:52.020 it's Elon Musk.

01:41:53.080 And after Charlie Kirk's memorial,

01:41:55.160 I watched Elon wait out back

01:41:57.620 to give,

01:41:58.880 to just say hello

01:41:59.780 to Erica Kirk.

01:42:00.660 And she gave him

01:42:01.760 like a 30 second

01:42:03.360 prolonged hug

01:42:04.820 and it was like watching

01:42:06.080 his little robot heart melt.

01:42:07.680 Right.

01:42:08.060 It was like just one of the,

01:42:09.120 you know,

01:42:09.580 one of these incredible movies,

01:42:10.640 like a Pixar movie.

01:42:11.660 Right.

01:42:12.120 And coming on to people

01:42:13.940 with her hug,

01:42:14.440 then she,

01:42:14.820 she was coming on

01:42:15.920 to my daughter,

01:42:17.240 to me.

01:42:18.320 Yes.

01:42:18.580 Like this is absurd.

01:42:19.620 She's a hugger. 0.51

01:42:20.440 She's a very loving,

01:42:22.220 lovely woman.

01:42:23.700 Only the most hateful trolls

01:42:25.420 would take it someplace else.

01:42:27.320 Benny Johnson,

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 25, 2025

What Happens Now with Comey and Letitia, Absurd Couric Comments, and J.Lo’s Revealing Outfit, w⧸ Aronberg, Davis, and Benny Johnson ｜ Ep. 1201

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