The Megyn Kelly Show - Whether Walker and Oz Can Win, and Learning to Breathe and Detox, with Tom Bevan and Darin Olien

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.020 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today we're going to discuss

00:00:16.620 some good and bad things for your health. Boy, oh boy, I'm just telling you in the time since

00:00:23.380 I began reading my research packet to the time I'm sitting down here with you, I have resolved

00:00:28.180 to do several things differently, and I'll walk you through what they are when we are

00:00:32.180 joined in just a bit by bestselling author and wellness expert, Darren Olin, to discuss

00:00:38.080 superfoods and the five fixes that will jumpstart your health for good. That's the good. Okay,

00:00:44.160 now wait, let's just do one thing before we get started. Darren recommends this. You're

00:00:49.240 supposed to do at least four of these. Okay, we're going to inhale for five seconds. Let's

00:00:54.480 do it. Inhale. Hold it. Exhale for five. There's another five, but I don't remember what it

00:01:15.040 is. But we did five, five, and five. It's supposed to be really good for you. We'll

00:01:20.240 get into it a little bit. Okay, the bad, politics. Well, we enjoy politics, but as you know, these

00:01:27.300 are generally not good people. But some of the stories that we're going to talk about

00:01:31.020 may just get your blood boiling. Believe it or not, the midterms are just three weeks

00:01:35.040 from today, although people are already voting everywhere. That COVID stuff that changed the

00:01:39.380 one-day voting into forever voting, that's not going away. That is not going away. People are

00:01:44.300 going to have to run these races very differently now. And among those races that will determine the

00:01:47.980 balance of power in the Congress, the Ohio Senate seat. This is our old pal, J.D. Vance.

00:01:55.020 Remember I told you when I first launched this show, he came on, that my interview of him,

00:01:59.340 my profile of him for NBC News was truly like my favorite interview. I was so moved by his story,

00:02:08.320 by Hellbilly Elegy, by meeting him and his wife and his sister, Lindsay. You got to go look at it

00:02:14.600 on YouTube if you've never seen it. In any event, the modern day version of J.D. was en fuego last

00:02:21.720 night in his final debate with the Democrat, Tim Ryan. Things got tense. Here to discuss all of it,

00:02:29.780 Tom Bevan, co-founder and president of the must, must read Real Clear Politics.

00:02:35.380 Tom, welcome to the show. How are you doing? Great to be with you, Megan.

00:02:43.400 All right. I always tell everybody, tell them on this show, I tell them when I give speeches,

00:02:46.600 I tell young women, young men. First thing I do every morning is go to realclearpolitics.com

00:02:52.200 and it keeps me sane. And as I always say, it doesn't let anybody control my brain. I get to read

00:02:58.180 stuff from the left, from the right, and I don't let any of these dishonest brokers spin me. I can make

00:03:03.240 up my own mind about where to land. So that's all thanks to you. I appreciate that. Thank you.

00:03:08.760 Oh, you know, it's heartfelt. I've been saying it for years. Okay. So let's just start. Let's

00:03:13.100 start with baby politics. Okay. Let's just start with baby politics before we get to the Ohio race.

00:03:19.000 It still looks like the Republicans are going to take the house. I don't think any

00:03:21.880 truly smart person is saying anything other than that. So the action is really in the Senate and to

00:03:27.020 a lesser extent at the gubernatorial level. So what are the four races you're watching most

00:03:33.180 when it comes to the U S Senate? Well, we have, we have seven races that are considered toss-ups,

00:03:39.360 but to me, I mean, the races that, that are matter that matter, uh, are the four incumbent Democrats,

00:03:45.120 uh, Catherine Cortez, Masto in Nevada, um, Mark Kelly in Arizona, Raphael Warnock in Georgia,

00:03:51.880 and, um, excuse me, uh, and Maggie Hassan in New Hampshire. Look, Republicans have four open seats.

00:03:59.960 They have to defend. You mentioned Ohio, North Carolina, Pennsylvania is one, um, and, and

00:04:05.780 Wisconsin, Ron Johnson. They, they seem to be doing well in all those races. The one Pennsylvania,

00:04:10.640 um, is, is Fetterman still ahead in that race, but let's just assume for the sake of argument that,

00:04:17.220 uh, that Oz is going to win that race. Um, then you've got a situation where, where, uh, you know,

00:04:24.420 if, if Democrats don't defend all four of their seats, they're going to lose control of the Senate.

00:04:28.500 And right now you've got Republicans ahead in, in Nevada, Adam Laxalt's ahead there,

00:04:33.580 not by a lot, by a little bit, uh, in the polls. And you've got, uh, you know, Democrats are ahead

00:04:39.380 in Mark Kelly's ahead of Blake masters in Arizona. Raphael Warnock is barely ahead of Herschel

00:04:44.200 Walker in Georgia and Maggie Hassan's ahead of Boldock in New Hampshire. So, um, those are

00:04:48.800 really the four races to watch. They're going to determine the outcome of who controls the Senate.

00:04:53.020 You guys have Herschel Walker winning Georgia. You've projected that at real clear politics

00:04:59.180 right now. Maybe you've rejected is too strong, but that's what you're, that's what's what you're

00:05:03.380 predicting will happen. Even though Herschel Walker hasn't led in any poll. Now this jumped out

00:05:10.320 at me as interesting because I actually just said on the show yesterday, Herschel Walker is going to

00:05:14.000 win Georgia. And I don't usually make political predictions, but you can just feel it. He's,

00:05:19.900 it seems like it's getting tighter. It didn't seem like the scandal hurt him that badly.

00:05:23.880 And then yesterday I was listening to the New York times is the daily and they're pulling,

00:05:28.500 they're, they're doing, you know, interviews, man on the street, interviews with voters,

00:05:31.580 Republicans. Are you concerned about the allegations on Herschel Walker's past? And there's

00:05:37.760 like some mom, what's she going to say to the New York times? No, I don't give a shit about

00:05:42.060 his many abortions and the, and the many children he didn't take care of. No, they're not going to

00:05:45.800 say that. The women are like, yes, I'm concerned. And I, you know, I might just skip that vote when

00:05:53.020 I go in there to vote for Brian Kemp. I might just skip that. Oh, baloney. Do we believe that?

00:05:58.500 Well, I mean, listen there, the argument is split ticket voting has been decreasing over time.

00:06:03.840 There's no question about it. 2016 was the first time in American history where every single state

00:06:07.960 that voted one way for the presidential race voted the same way for the Senate. Okay. And we've seen

00:06:13.360 split ticket voting decline. So it is hard to imagine when you look, that's one of the rationales

00:06:18.260 why we have this race trending to Herschel Walker is there are a couple of reasons. Number one are

00:06:23.460 just the overall fundamentals. And we've seen Republicans pick up some strength in the generic

00:06:27.820 ballot on the basis of inflation, the economy, all of those things, which are the number one issue

00:06:34.080 for voters across the board. I mean, it's not even close, but you've also got Joe Biden's approval

00:06:39.160 rating in Georgia's 39%. You've got Raphael Warnock in the polls. He's at 46% in the last two

00:06:46.280 polls as a Democrat, as an incumbent at 46%. That is not a place you want to be three, three weeks to

00:06:51.640 election. So there's more upside for Herschel Walker than there is from Raphael Warnock. And the

00:06:56.280 other thing is the top of the ticket. You mentioned Brian Kemp is leading. It's very consistent lead

00:07:00.500 seven, eight, nine points against Stacey Abrams. And so the idea, you know, that people are going

00:07:07.480 to go in and vote for Brian Kemp overwhelmingly, and then, you know, Republicans either vote for

00:07:12.540 Raphael Warnock or leave that space blank. It's hard to imagine. Now it happened, for example,

00:07:18.300 the one corollary that people point to is Arizona in 2018. You had Doug Ducey there, popular incumbent

00:07:23.760 Republican governor, win by double digits, while at the same time Martha McSally lost to Kyrsten Sinema.

00:07:28.580 The difference in those two races, Megan, is that, you know, Kyrsten Sinema is more of a fit

00:07:33.740 ideologically for that state than Raphael Warnock is for Georgia. I mean, he is, as the campaign is

00:07:40.980 pointing out, you know, he's pretty far to the left. He's trying to portray himself as a moderate, but

00:07:46.260 again, given the national environment, the fact that he's been voting with Biden and the Democrats

00:07:52.040 in Washington is a drag for him for the voters in Georgia.

00:07:55.880 Mm hmm. OK, let's go to the Midwest and talk about Ohio. J.D. Vance squares off last night

00:08:02.200 against Tim Ryan, and it got personal and it got heated and it was, I thought, a very effective

00:08:08.820 moment for for Vance. We'll see. I mean, I think the Democrats think that their guy got the last word

00:08:16.980 in and then it was appropriately snarky. But here's the exchange they had on what I will just say they're

00:08:23.360 calling the great replacement theory, which is not actually what they what J.D. Vance has endorsed

00:08:29.820 or Republicans are endorsing. Republicans who care about the border sometimes say that the reason

00:08:35.260 Democrats want an open border is because they want these immigrants to eventually become Democratic

00:08:40.640 voters. That is not the same as they're replacing all the white people like that is. There's a different

00:08:46.780 racist theory that is pernicious. And the Democrats have made a political decision to try to conflate

00:08:53.960 the two. That's the setup to the clip you're about to see. Here it is.

00:08:58.780 This great replacement theory was the motivator for the shooting in Buffalo where that shooter had all

00:09:05.960 these great replacement theory writings that J.D. Vance agrees with. This kid goes to a grocery

00:09:12.240 store in Buffalo where black people shop and shoots them up. This is disgusting. Here's exactly what

00:09:19.340 happens when the media and people like Tim Ryan accused me of engaging the grace for great

00:09:24.440 replacement theory. You were peddling it. I'll tell you exactly what happens, Tim. What happens is that

00:09:29.240 my own children, my biracial children get attacked by scumbags online and in person because you are so

00:09:37.060 desperate for political power that you'll accuse me, the father of three beautiful biracial babies of

00:09:43.260 engaging in racism. We are sick of it. You can believe in a border without being a racist. You can

00:09:48.700 believe in the country without being a racist. And this just shows how desperate this guy is for

00:09:55.460 political power. I know you've been in office for 20 years, Tim, and I know it's a sweet gig, but you're so

00:10:00.620 desperate not to have a real job that you'll slander me and slander my family. It's disgraceful.

00:10:05.160 Thank you, Mr. Vance. Hold on, Derek. Real quick. I think I struck a nerve. I think I struck a nerve

00:10:11.280 with this guy. What did you make of that?

00:10:17.620 I thought Vance's response was strong. I mean, I really did. I thought it was one of those

00:10:21.720 signature moments in the debate. Look, this is their second and final debate. And I thought Vance

00:10:26.380 performed well in both debates. The thing about this is the problem that Tim Ryan is facing

00:10:32.720 is that similar to Democrats all across the country, including Raphael Warnock, who we just

00:10:38.120 talked about, he's running away from his party. He has to run away from Joe Biden. He keeps talking

00:10:43.060 about, well, he's standing up to Biden when he does stupid things on the border and the like.

00:10:47.880 It's just, it's a struggle for Democrats because they have to try and separate themselves from their

00:10:54.520 party. And it's just not, it's not something that voters are going to, I think it's not going to pass

00:10:59.180 the smell test with voters. I'll say this too. When I interviewed J.D. Vance, I interviewed him

00:11:04.440 many times, but when I did the one for NBC, I interviewed his wife, Usha. And she sat and gave

00:11:12.900 me a very powerful interview, but she's a force of nature of her own. She was on her way. She was

00:11:17.320 pregnant and she was on her way to go clerk for, I think it was Chief Justice John Roberts at that

00:11:23.080 moment. I mean, this is a very smart, very powerful lawyer in her own right. They met at Yale Law School

00:11:28.000 and have quite a lovely love story. Anyway, you'll love the piece. All right, let's talk about Nevada

00:11:33.020 because you mentioned that's one of the states that the Democrats are trying to hold on to,

00:11:37.140 that they don't want to lose, but it's vulnerable. And you guys are also predicting that's going to

00:11:42.040 be a GOP takeover. Right. Adam Laxalt is, he's one of those candidates that, you know, he's,

00:11:50.760 he's portraying himself as an outsider, but he's got this name recognition of a political family in

00:11:55.960 Nevada. So he's sort of getting the best of both worlds there. He's ahead in all the polls again,

00:12:00.360 not by a lot. And one of the things that we have done to try and answer this question, Megan, which

00:12:05.560 has been, you know, everybody's been asking over the last, you know, three weeks or month, you know,

00:12:09.980 are the polls right? Or are they off? We've taken a look at all of these individual states and where

00:12:16.660 the polls over the last three cycles, 16, 18, and 20, whether they overestimated or underestimated

00:12:23.280 support and in which way for which party over those, over those three cycles in Ohio, for example,

00:12:29.540 Republican support had been underestimated by nine points. So if you're looking at the polls right

00:12:34.000 now and you're thinking, okay, there's a poll that just came out, showed JD Vance up two points.

00:12:38.440 If the polls are off in the same direction they have been over the last three cycles,

00:12:41.800 he's going to win that race by 11. Okay. By double digits. Holy. If you look at though, in Nevada,

00:12:48.620 Nevada, that's a place where democratic support has been underestimated. Democrats have actually

00:12:53.680 done, the polls have underestimated democratic support by about 0.8 percentage points. So

00:12:58.060 almost 1%. And that's, again, you know, it's the vestiges of Harry Reid's machine there. He always

00:13:04.240 managed to turn out more voters, the Culinary Workers Union there in Clark County, Las Vegas.

00:13:10.040 And, and that always seemed to, you know, Republicans always thought they had the goods in Nevada and

00:13:14.800 and would end up losing. So black salts up about a point and a half, uh, in, in our average. And

00:13:21.260 again, if, if the polls hold true as they have been for the last few cycles, he'd still win that race,

00:13:26.600 but it'd be very, very close. So, um, I think he's got the upper hand, but that race is not an

00:13:31.360 absolute done deal for, for Republicans, uh, again, with three weeks left.

00:13:36.640 So right now you're predicting the Republicans will take the Senate because they'll take over in Georgia

00:13:41.680 and they'll take over in Nevada, uh, Democrat controlled seats and they'll hold the seats that

00:13:47.000 they, that they're defending, including Pennsylvania, which is interesting because

00:13:50.060 Betterman's been ahead in every single poll. It's like the Georgia situation. The Democrats been ahead

00:13:56.580 in every single poll, but does Pennsylvania suffer from another deficiency in getting in capturing the

00:14:02.200 Republican vote?

00:14:04.140 Yes. And over the last three cycles, it's been about five and a half points. I think that race now is

00:14:08.520 somewhere around the three point range in our average. And so again, if the polls are off in

00:14:12.640 the same direction, they have been for the last three cycles, Oz would be ahead, not by much,

00:14:16.720 but, but would be ahead in that race. And that race has been, has been moving in Oz's direction,

00:14:20.900 uh, over the last week or two weeks. Uh, he's been hitting Fetterman, I think effectively on crime,

00:14:26.540 on the issue of crime, it's become a central focus of that campaign. And also the issue of

00:14:30.860 Fetterman's health, which again is, is an issue that, that Oz is bringing up, but other people are

00:14:35.040 bringing up too. It's not purely a partisan issue. It's been editorialized in the Pittsburgh Post

00:14:39.560 Gazette and some other newspapers has, have said, listen, he needs to be more transparent

00:14:44.180 about his health issue. Now they're going to debate, uh, on the 25th, I think, and obviously,

00:14:50.320 you know, early voting's going on and there will be a lot of people who, who have already voted by

00:14:54.360 them, but, but there'll still be a good chunk of the electorate that I think are going to,

00:14:58.280 are going to tune in and going to see for themselves how Fetterman performs and judges, uh,

00:15:04.780 you know, judge his, um, his ability to do the job based on what they see that night.

00:15:10.520 Hmm. And it was crazy because the NBC news reporter who interviewed Fetterman said, you know,

00:15:16.940 when he was off this sort of computer that was translating my words into the written form so that

00:15:22.120 he could read my questions, he didn't seem to understand everything I was saying. I would 100%

00:15:28.380 have shared that detail about a Republican or a Democrat running for office that I interviewed.

00:15:32.020 It was an appropriate thing just because we didn't see it in the interview. We did see it in

00:15:37.180 the interview, but just because we didn't see them off, off of the computer doesn't mean she's not in

00:15:43.400 her re reporter mode in dealing with him. Anything between them is fair game unless they've agreed

00:15:49.920 it's off the record, which clearly they hadn't. And Mrs. Fetterman, Mrs. Fetterman is out there who

00:15:54.700 knows nothing about anything is out there asking for this reporter to be disciplined. Why hasn't anything

00:16:00.220 been done to her for revealing this detail about John Fetterman's health? It's absolutely absurd.

00:16:07.180 The reporter should be praised for doing her job. And Mrs. Fetterman should tell us what exactly she's

00:16:12.100 so afraid of, because that kind of comment only makes us wonder more. Let's just jump back and zoom

00:16:17.700 back to 30,000 feet before I let you go and talk about the generic ballot. Now we saw in that New York

00:16:21.880 Times Siena poll, the Republicans have gone from what was maybe a one point advantage in that ballot

00:16:28.220 to a four point advantage in that ballot. Not long ago, there was the Harvard Harris poll

00:16:33.860 that shows the Republicans. They now have a they're up with a four point advantage and it had

00:16:41.280 been Democrats plus two. So that's a big swing. So more and more we're seeing voters seem to side

00:16:47.120 right before it's time to vote with the Republican ticket. There's an article in the Politico today

00:16:51.660 citing, you know, weathered pollsters and Democratic operatives saying we peaked too early.

00:16:58.300 We peaked over the summer. We would have preferred this election happen then. So if the Republicans

00:17:03.700 take the House and the Senate at this on this November election, Tom, to what would you attribute

00:17:11.020 it? Right. Because the Dems were doing better over the summer. Well, I mean, it's it's clear it's the

00:17:15.680 economy. I mean, and it has been for months. And this was true before Dobbs. This was true after

00:17:20.180 Dobbs. It's just, you know, Democrats thought they had found this silver bullet that they they could

00:17:24.540 use to not only energize their base, which which it has done, by the way. I mean, prior to Dobbs,

00:17:31.380 Democrats and Biden's approval reading was like thirty six point eight percent in our average late

00:17:35.380 July. The Democrats were moping around the country. And so it has energized the base and brought some

00:17:40.940 Democrats home to to these candidates. However, the problem is they focus so much on that. They've

00:17:48.320 ignored the issue that is of top concern to the majority of voters, certainly Republicans,

00:17:53.620 but also independents. And so you're seeing now ad after ad after ad all around the country by

00:17:59.100 Democrats on the issue of abortion. None of them are dealing with the issue of inflation.

00:18:03.620 Michael Bennett was asked on television on Sunday, you know, when when when is the Inflation Reduction

00:18:08.840 Act Act actually going to start reducing inflation? And he said, well, you know, maybe next year

00:18:14.340 you'll see. I mean, Raphael Warnock was asked about it yesterday. You know, Democrats have been in power

00:18:19.500 for two years. Inflation is still raging. Why should Georgia voters give you send you back to

00:18:23.880 Washington? And he paused this awkward pause. And then he said, we're still in the throes of a

00:18:28.860 pandemic. I mean, that is not going to cut it. Yeah, it was so bad. Democrats, they should be talking

00:18:33.940 about the issue, even if it's just to say, look, we feel your pain. We're doing the best we can.

00:18:38.360 We need some help from Republicans. They're not helping. They're not voting for any of this stuff that

00:18:41.480 we're trying to do to just ignore the issue or focus solely on abortion. Again, it's motivating

00:18:47.160 their base. They need their base. That's fine. But it's not speaking to independents who they also

00:18:51.780 need, particularly in the suburbs of Atlanta and Philadelphia and Milwaukee and Phoenix.

00:18:58.980 And so for that reason, I think Republicans have big leads on the issue of the economy and inflation

00:19:05.220 and immigration and others. But Gallup came out with a poll last week showing that Republicans

00:19:11.580 had an 11 point lead over Democrats on the issue of the economy. And for Gallup in their metric,

00:19:17.380 that was the largest lead for any party since 1942. So that just gives you a sense of of how the public

00:19:23.840 is viewing this election. It is through an economic lens. And and they're, you know, Republicans are

00:19:29.000 speaking to that issue and Democrats are not. It reminds me of the people who are like,

00:19:33.600 the end of the world is coming. It's coming on, you know, October 31st. The world ends October 31st.

00:19:40.780 And you're like, how are people believing this? Right. And you get to November 1st and you're like,

00:19:45.100 OK, the jig is up. Like, you know, like the whole inflation is transitory. Don't believe your lion eyes.

00:19:52.260 You know, the Inflation Reduction Act is going to solve it. Our lion eyes are exposing those truths

00:19:59.200 and just in time for this election. So, you know, the White House could only mislead for so long

00:20:04.620 before the truth was just blaring everybody in the face. Tom and has been for a long time.

00:20:10.680 Such a pleasure. Come back soon. Thanks, Megan. All right. Coming up next, health and wellness expert

00:20:16.620 Darren Olean. And I will tell you, there's something that you may be drinking every day

00:20:22.660 that could be causing you a lot of trouble. You will not believe what it is. Stay tuned.

00:20:29.200 We are hurtling towards the trifecta of holiday decadence right now. It really is, right? Halloween,

00:20:40.420 Thanksgiving and Christmas. It's like people's goal is to make you gain weight and be less healthy,

00:20:45.880 right? If they wanted, if that were their goal, would they treat you any differently than what

00:20:50.480 happens on Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas? Here's for me, it's peppermint bark. I love it.

00:20:56.340 Don't give it to me. Stop it. It's like, here's five pounds for Christmas. You're welcome. No,

00:21:00.100 I don't want that. Now is the time before all the pushers come into your life to fortify your health

00:21:07.060 and protect yourself against the endless treats and the stress that comes with the most wonderful

00:21:12.880 time of the year. Our next guest is here to help us do just that. Darren Olean is a wellness expert

00:21:19.760 and the bestselling author of Super Life, the five simple fixes that will make you healthy,

00:21:26.200 fit and eternally awesome. Darren, welcome. Hey, Megan. It's good to good to be here.

00:21:32.800 It's great to have you. All right. So just in time for a lot of challenges that are coming our way.

00:21:36.720 So let's just start with a little bit about you. So people know how you came to this line of work

00:21:41.640 and it started 51 years ago when little Darren was actually born. Tell us about that.

00:21:48.120 Yeah. Well, I was born early. So 1970 and I was three and a half pounds. So that, that was

00:21:57.380 interesting because it informed my father kind of later on in life. He saw me kind of fight for my

00:22:06.880 life early on. And then, um, I survived obviously. And, uh, and, and from there, my, my imprint was like,

00:22:17.400 this isn't safe. Like this is a fragile body in a, in a intense world. And, and I didn't realize how

00:22:26.080 powerful that was until, you know, I was a regular kid growing up in Minnesota and, um, you know,

00:22:34.380 going through puberty, having weird things going on with my body. Uh, I realized that,

00:22:40.360 you know, I gotta do something about it on some deep level. And, uh, so my, the, I referenced this

00:22:48.840 in the book, I, I, I grabbed a newspaper article and I was 13 years old and I started reading up on a

00:22:56.720 grapefruit diet. And it was the first time this regular Minnesota kid eating everything and

00:23:03.480 drinking old fashioned bottles of Coke. Uh, and just being a regular kid, that was the first time

00:23:10.640 it made a significant difference in my outlook. Um, and, and, and then from there, it just kept,

00:23:19.020 uh, going into, Oh, we have a lot of control over how we feel, how we look, how we perform. Uh, and,

00:23:30.720 and ultimately we've got to build some resilience in this life. That's for sure.

00:23:36.900 The, um, I'm born in, I'm born two months early in 1970 is a whole different deal than born two

00:23:42.160 months early. Now, neither one is good, but, uh, yeah, they didn't have as much technology back then.

00:23:48.340 Just wondering, Abby, what, how much did Aubrey weigh when she was born? She was, she was three

00:23:53.020 pounds too. Yeah. My assistant, Abby, who's like my little sister, she's here. She, her first baby

00:23:57.640 was born way early too. And also three pounds and very scary. And like you was in the NICU for months,

00:24:03.840 but, um, didn't have, thank God that the ongoing problems that you outline in your book that you

00:24:09.320 had and, um, probably because of modern medicine. So I never considered the psychological aspect

00:24:15.080 of that, you know, like I am vulnerable, it's not safe. And it would wind up really driving

00:24:20.720 your whole approach to life. You've wound up helping millions of people because of that seed

00:24:27.140 of vulnerability in you. So not, I don't know that it was worth it exactly, but, but it,

00:24:32.880 you turned it around for good. Started with grapefruit. I remember I lived through that time

00:24:36.380 with you. I was a teenage girl, right? I'm exactly your age. Um, and then it morphed into stuff that was

00:24:42.060 much better than grapefruit. So you go to college, you become an athlete and you go to college and

00:24:47.000 then what happened? Yeah. I had a career ending back injury and I, I, I, I loved beating out really

00:24:53.500 big people. Uh, I was a full back and, uh, and you know, the first game of the season, um, I crunched

00:25:01.760 my lower back on a, on a big hit and, uh, I couldn't get back on the field again. So I tore a bunch

00:25:09.000 of, uh, ligaments, my lower back and, you know, every kid has a dream to keep playing. And so that

00:25:15.820 just kind of stopped. And I went through my own depression and I just couldn't be around that

00:25:21.020 university anymore. So I transferred and then asked myself some serious questions. Like, what do I

00:25:26.980 really want to do? And first, you know, selfishly, I want to get myself physically better again. So this,

00:25:33.680 this kind of serendipity of awareness stepped in and said, well, why don't you study that which

00:25:40.540 you're suffering in right now, the body and nutrition and understand this thing. And I'm

00:25:45.800 grateful for that because, you know, uh, my father was a professor and, you know, go to college and I

00:25:52.600 didn't know what the hell I wanted to do, but that event changed the course of my life. Um, so I,

00:25:58.800 I started studying nutrition and physiology and kinesiology and all of these different things.

00:26:06.160 And it was the start of this insatiable curiosity. And I think underneath it all,

00:26:11.540 it gave me those tools and it started to give me those tools of, of, of that building of the

00:26:18.580 resilience, right. That understanding that number one, underneath all of that, this is a freaking

00:26:24.660 miracle. Like, what do you mean we can eat food and it can transform, uh, that into energy and we

00:26:32.740 get to run around in this life. And so of course it makes a major difference between the, what kind

00:26:40.480 of fuel you're putting in your body. So that just, you know, that just spiraled from there and it just

00:26:46.280 continued. Do you think, um, my, my old friend who I used to work with when I practiced law used to

00:26:52.300 make me laugh because we would talk about some dark story and the news where people had died or

00:26:58.980 some new study showing you're going to die at a young age of this, if that. And, uh, he used to

00:27:05.160 say, I'm, I'm just really sorry. That's going to happen to all of you. Like he just refused to accept

00:27:14.880 that that's how it was going to end for him. And I know that, you know, your, your book posits that

00:27:22.360 disease doesn't exist. And to me, it's like, it occurred to me, whether you're sort of in the,

00:27:28.900 I don't know if it's going to happen for me. I actually might be able to stave it off because

00:27:32.260 you've got real tools for doing it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, it's a condition of

00:27:39.680 the breakdown of our, our physiology over time. And obviously you want to do everything you can

00:27:45.900 to, to give yourself the right opportunities to, to thrive. And at the end of the day,

00:27:52.120 you know, the reason I chose the title super life was informed by that little kid that was struggling

00:28:02.280 to survive at a 50, 50 chance of living. And when you start realizing, and, and, and please cut

00:28:08.840 understand that I I'm only standing on the, on the shoulders of giants who have dedicated their

00:28:15.760 lives to studying and diving in. I'm not a researcher, but I have started to learn over

00:28:22.700 the course of the career, how to kind of disseminate and look and, and show up and ask questions and read

00:28:30.080 and jump in the middle of the world and in different locations and learn just so that I can maybe,

00:28:38.360 you know, translate a little more of the common sense solutions that we seem to just blow past

00:28:49.660 when 99% of our issues in our body can be taken care of. Now, this isn't great clickbait because

00:29:00.920 these are systems and we are a system. We live in a system. There is no, uh, isolation. I think isolation

00:29:12.500 creates a kind of an entropy where it goes further and deeper away from that, which is a uniform system.

00:29:21.800 So I look at it as like, Hey man, if you, you know, get outside, get some sun, put your feet on the

00:29:30.720 ground, get some sleep, eat fresh food, whole fresh food, um, move your body, have good relationships,

00:29:41.420 be radically honest with your life. Uh, you're going to be great, but it's, it doesn't, you know,

00:29:49.180 it's, it's, it's, it's almost like people, um, don't want to hear the simple, powerful messages

00:29:57.620 of that, that wand that they have is, is their choices and their choices are many choices added

00:30:07.540 up over time, create extraordinary benefit. And I'm just living proof of that. And we all are living

00:30:16.200 proof of that either going down that road or going down the other one where we slowly accelerate,

00:30:23.280 or in this case, we rapidly accelerate the body's aging process, for example, and invite disease,

00:30:31.780 invite disease. Um, it's, it's no, actually look at sort of the skyrocketing, uh, numbers on heart

00:30:37.660 disease, on cancer. And it's, it's, it can happen to anybody at any income level, at any education

00:30:44.900 level, but you, there are real ways as you outlined in this book and elsewhere that you can really

00:30:52.780 drastically reduce your chances of, of getting one of those two things. And it's, it's no accident that

00:30:59.340 people who tend to lead these very unhealthy lives tend to be the ones to get these diseases younger.

00:31:06.080 They tend to be more fatal when they get them. Um, and so maybe we're not going to be able to turn

00:31:11.580 into you because you're so disciplined. I don't know if I could do it. I'll tell you later what

00:31:16.080 happened when I was reading the book and my experience, but maybe I can have a healthy dose

00:31:20.660 of you in the way I approach my food and my, my existence. Right. But again, Megan, it is,

00:31:25.860 it is not looking at me as like, Oh my God, I gotta do that. It's, I've been on a journey too.

00:31:32.160 It is always a journey. It is that kind of myopic look at people's lives. Every, every person that's

00:31:41.260 had any success has put in so much time, energy, and, um, dedication to these things. And if I looked

00:31:51.760 at what I ate, even during my throes of nutrition classes in college, I would be shocked. Um, and,

00:32:00.520 and now over time, you're still diving into stuff. We're still learning where we're learning things

00:32:06.740 every day. Uh, the exponential, uh, learning that we're getting around the microbiome and,

00:32:14.360 uh, this, obviously the gut and the brain connection, the, the dopamine, the serotonin,

00:32:21.780 the conversion of healthy bacteria, the enzymatic activity. It's, it's, it's just a mind blowing

00:32:28.220 journey. So, so to that point, I think it's easy for people to use the, Oh, it's just them and it's

00:32:40.520 easier for them or it's too far away from me. But again, we have to go right back. I I'm a blue collar

00:32:48.620 person. Like I've come from Minnesota. I like to work hard. I like to get dirty. I like to do stuff,

00:32:55.440 which is why I superfood hunted. I wanted to go and see the people. I wanted to go feel the dirt

00:33:01.160 and see the plants and everything else. It's like, that's how we need to do this. We need to

00:33:07.000 break our lives back down and ask ourselves, what do we want? What do we truly want in our life?

00:33:16.780 And when we start to cultivate that, then you're like, am I integrated? Like, okay,

00:33:24.540 what do you want to do today? What do you want to be today? And that again, not to go too philosophical,

00:33:31.700 but that's the reason super life, the title exists. That's why I put it there because I didn't want

00:33:40.060 someone to not have an extraordinary life when they have the tools right in front of them,

00:33:46.580 what they're putting in their mouth, how they're taking care of themselves. It is not

00:33:51.080 a rocket science kind of thing. Well, and some of these are simple, like some of them are bigger

00:33:57.200 and more involved and some of them are quite simple, which we'll get to. Um, you're, you mentioned

00:34:00.980 in the microbiome reminded me and my staff, I'm sure of, we had on, um, a guy, David Feinberg yesterday.

00:34:06.760 He's one of the co-hosts of all in Friedberg, sorry, uh, Friedberg. And, um, he, uh, he's talking

00:34:13.760 about one of his companies and how they've rejected probiotics now that they think prebiotics are better

00:34:18.940 for you. And that there's going to be a day when we're going to be able to take a pill. That's

00:34:23.460 basically, forgive me, somebody else's crap. That's going to completely rejigger our microbiome

00:34:31.560 because it's somebody else's and it's all this other, but don't do this at home. Again,

00:34:35.380 no, do this at home. You don't, you don't want to eat shit, but, but you someday might want to

00:34:39.260 anyway. Um, okay. So let's get to it. Cause let's start with the five life forces. Okay.

00:34:43.640 That you outline that we need to focus on. One is the, is an obvious one though. The fixes might

00:34:49.220 not be obvious. And that's nutrition. Eating is the most intimate thing we will ever do. You say,

00:34:54.400 and then you go on to say, I know what you're thinking, but it's even more intimate than that.

00:34:57.940 Um, and the, and you've just, you've said it, eat a wide variety of whole, fresh, clean foods,

00:35:05.240 mostly vegetables, fruits, beans, nuts, seeds, grains, sprouts, and healthy fats. Eat a lot of

00:35:11.100 it raw. Now I know that you love Mark Sisson and he's a big fan of yours. And I had him on the show

00:35:17.020 and I'm, I love him. I, I follow his, I, every day I'm cooking from his two meals a day cookbook,

00:35:22.060 which I recommend to everybody, but he's way bigger on meat and, and eggs and animal products

00:35:28.340 and, and way less excited about vegetables because he, you know, they've been most of them

00:35:32.800 sprayed with pesticides than you are. So who am I supposed to listen to?

00:35:38.280 Uh, I can't answer that for you. Uh, for sure. You know, it's like, there's one kind of position I

00:35:44.680 take. I don't want to tell people how to eat. I'm just going to share information from my experience.

00:35:49.940 And listen, I I've known Mark for two decades and I respect what he's done. And, you know, listen,

00:35:58.540 again, I go back to the things that made sense for me and you have to look at from,

00:36:03.780 from many different directions. It's a personal choice for me. I was eating all of that kind of

00:36:11.120 stuff. I was an athlete. I was doing all those things. And then I was having some serious health

00:36:16.200 problems. And then I had to kind of put my academic hat back on and start looking at this

00:36:22.980 intensely. And, uh, when I started making those choices, I was like, wait a minute,

00:36:28.380 I love animals. Why, why do I need to kill in order to thrive? Um, so I started kind of,

00:36:38.740 again, going back to integration, I started looking at, well, isn't meat a bioreactor or

00:36:45.920 a bioaccumulator of nutrition of nutrients. Of course it is. So, you know, as a, you know,

00:36:54.160 it's funny, the superfood hunter title was given to me, but as a person who spent his, you know,

00:37:00.620 20 years running around the globe, part of it was also finding the nutrients, the densities,

00:37:07.440 the compounds that are innately, uh, within the plant. And so I spent a lot of my time

00:37:15.860 realizing like, why would I need to kill something in order to get the nutrients that I can find right

00:37:22.640 over here? So then I was like, well, morally and ethically that lined up. I didn't want to kill

00:37:30.060 anything environmentally that lined up. Uh, and I will agree with Mark on most of the food from a

00:37:38.680 conventional standpoint is, uh, you know, laden with, uh, uh, you know, glyphosate and astrazine and,

00:37:46.280 uh, pesticides and herbicides and all of these things that are just ridiculously harmful. And we can

00:37:53.260 unpack that later. But, um, so I agree the way we're growing things. You have to understand

00:38:00.040 what we're, how we're talking about this now. Okay. Again, I'm not, let me jump in. Cause I want

00:38:06.200 to keep it on the practical side too, for the audience who wants to know, like when I see mostly

00:38:11.260 vegetables, fruits, beans, nuts, seeds, greens, browse, uh, sprouts, healthy fats, I think I'm

00:38:15.920 having salad at every meal. Do you have a salad at every meal? Like, but that's boring and it's going

00:38:21.100 to get old fast. So like, what, what do you have? Do you, do you, do you intermittent fast? Do you have

00:38:25.780 breakfast? Do you have lunch? Do you have dinner? What is your dinner? Like, but what does this look

00:38:28.680 like in practice? Yeah. Yeah. So for me, I, I have fasted on and off for the last 20 years. So

00:38:35.160 intermittent fasting comes very easy to me. I eat two meals. So I will have, you know, my first meal,

00:38:42.120 which is a very large bowl of fruit, uh, uh, and, um, maybe some raw spirulina, uh, some, my

00:38:53.000 Baruca nuts that I found, um, maybe some shakeology that I created, uh, and these aren't plugs. This is

00:39:00.100 literally what I eat. So it's a Flintstone size bowl of fruit, usually after my workout, then I work

00:39:08.420 and I like to work on an empty stomach and then I eat a second meal. Uh, and that's around, I like to

00:39:16.380 eat and kind of be done by 5 PM. Uh, and that is, yeah, that's a massive bowl of, of, uh, of vegetables

00:39:25.280 as well as, uh, legumes, uh, beans, uh, burritos, um, uh, sweet potatoes, potatoes, all of these things.

00:39:37.160 And I, and I will also say most conventional food sucks. It's no good. It doesn't taste good at all.

00:39:46.060 So when you can grow your own food, when you can get to a farmer's market, when you can buy fresh,

00:39:52.660 it's not even the same, it's not even the same universe. So there is, and going back to the biome

00:40:01.560 over time, my, if I'm eating that way, my microbiome is now infinitely more efficient.

00:40:09.020 And we've found that if I sit next to say someone carnivore and we eat the same and I,

00:40:15.920 we eat the same food that they, let's say they eat the food that I just created, we're going to

00:40:21.680 absorb differently because they've changed their microbiome to, to adapt to that meat centric approach.

00:40:29.760 Um, so, you know, again, uh, I just go back to the nutrient density that is innately within these

00:40:39.940 plants. What about, what about you mentioned fruit? Now though, I thought the conventional wisdom on

00:40:45.100 fruit was it's just a ball of sugar with a couple of hangover nutrients. Like don't think you're giving

00:40:51.440 your kid something healthy when you give them a pear or an apple, you're much better off getting an

00:40:56.520 actual vegetable in front of him. Oh man, that is just the biggest crock. That's been, unfortunately,

00:41:04.700 you know, this listen, added sugar processed high fruit to his corn syrup, all of that stuff, a hundred

00:41:12.360 percent inflammatory, no good. Uh, so you, uh, but in its whole food form, it is absolutely different,

00:41:22.520 right? It's got the fibers. It's got all of the other constituents. It's got huge amount of

00:41:28.340 antioxidants. It's got structured water in the form of H three O two. Like you're delivering this

00:41:35.560 anti-inflammatory high antioxidant, rich nutrient, rich food. Like that's, and you know, this great,

00:41:45.200 great work by, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, Robbie Babaro and Cyrus Kambada. Uh, they wrote an amazing book

00:41:55.280 called mastering diabetes and they're proving through the science and through, uh, getting thousands of

00:42:03.220 people off of, uh, diabetic medications, eating high carbohydrate food, not ultra processed

00:42:13.620 carbohydrates. Carbohydrates have been hijacked, right? It's not a one size fits all thing. So

00:42:20.640 yes, simple sugars, isolated ultra processed food, bad idea. We all agree on that, but in its whole food

00:42:31.640 form, some of the best food ever. Now, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. So after

00:42:38.080 Mark came on, um, I did, I went, I got the pasteurized, um, the pasture raised eggs and I,

00:42:46.300 uh, of course was already doing grass fed beef and I was looking for farms. I live in Connecticut now.

00:42:53.060 Like there's going to be farms with vegetables that haven't been completely toxicified. I'm telling

00:42:58.720 you, I couldn't find anything I could not find. So I wound up just going to whole foods, which I realize

00:43:04.460 may not be any better. And if you buy organic, then presumably it's got less of that stuff. It's

00:43:09.360 expensive. Um, and now I'm, to be perfectly honest with you, I'm eyeballing my neighbor's garden,

00:43:14.820 which is amazing. It's right across the street. She'd probably never know if I grabbed a couple,

00:43:21.020 Abby, I'll make you do it. Um, so I, what are regular people supposed to do if they're like me and

00:43:26.600 they, and they don't have access to a garden? Yeah, a hundred percent. Well, listen, our country

00:43:31.880 is founded on 90% of our country in the early 1900s were growing food. So number one, let's go

00:43:38.860 back to growing food, right? If you have a windowsill, put some culinary herbs in the ground

00:43:44.240 and in the, in the little, you know, pots. Uh, if you have a 16th of an acre, if you have a front lawn,

00:43:52.340 I think there's 47 million acres of lawn that we're watering for no reason, right? Let's water

00:44:00.000 food, right? Uh, can we grow? Can you just take off a few things that like an average person like

00:44:05.800 that I could grow? I mean, tomatoes, lettuces, uh, kale, cabbage, um, uh, uh, I did that one time.

00:44:19.600 The which one? Cucumber. Cucumbers are easy, right? Yeah. Even I managed that one.

00:44:26.620 Yeah. I, I, I literally checked my, my little greenhouse today and I had an amazing watermelon

00:44:32.480 and I was on a trip and I came back and some barman just devoured it. And there's also watching,

00:44:39.100 watching nature. So, you know, that's the thing about picking fresh too, because that's when the

00:44:45.620 maximization of all the nutrients. So at a great researcher, buddy of mine, Dr. Mohsen, who are

00:44:52.240 managed 25 years ago said, you know, watch nature, nature will tell you. And that's the great Incan

00:44:59.880 empire was watching nature and cycles. And that's how they were able to provide food for, for, um,

00:45:07.760 seven years for every person in the village with no refrigeration of any kind, but understanding

00:45:13.000 cycles, understanding food. So listen, buy some seeds. If you've, if you're worried about food,

00:45:20.240 buy some seeds, put them in the ground. Here's a really easy. So my great friend, Doug Evans wrote a

00:45:26.980 great book called this. I think it's the sprout book. Uh, I think that's literally the title.

00:45:32.680 And I was just, I just saw him and you can buy sprouting seeds. Broccoli is great because it's

00:45:42.600 got sulforaphane. Uh, it's got other compounds in there, anti-cancer antioxidants, micronutrients,

00:45:50.080 but you can put, let's say just to be very pragmatic, you could put two tablespoons of seeds

00:45:58.620 in there, rinse it, soak it, and then drain it. So you'd soak it for 12 hours, drain it.

00:46:07.280 And then you rinse it twice a day, invert it within a Mason jar, uh, with a lid on it. And now all of a

00:46:16.180 sudden you have a salad for a few cents in, in about five days. So you've got some of the most

00:46:25.100 new broccoli sprouts are infinitely more nutrient dense than a full mature broccoli.

00:46:31.800 Wow. Okay. I'm going to check out that book. I like that. And that's something you can do if

00:46:36.380 you live in a Manhattan high rise, like I did before where a garden is, you know, next to impossible.

00:46:41.740 This does remind me, I interviewed Elon Musk's brother and he's big on like these indoor farms

00:46:48.940 and has been doing great work to help people develop them. He's going to be like the guy who

00:46:54.180 is responsible for how we live in the year 3000, possibly even more than his brother, Elon. All

00:46:59.360 right. Stand by. Cause there's so much more I want to ask you about Darren. We're going to go

00:47:02.160 through the next, we'll talk about the breathing, the oxygen. There's so many other things besides

00:47:05.920 diet that you could be doing to extend your lifespan and better than that, have a super life along the

00:47:11.440 way. All right. So we'll go back to Darren and we'll talk about his show with Zach Efron. Of

00:47:15.180 course, too. Don't forget, you can find this show, the Megan and Kelly show live on Sirius XM

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00:47:42.380 You know, Darren, I have to say, I always like guys who are from the Midwest guys and gals,

00:47:51.620 cause I'm from upstate New York and it's basically the same place. Um, people make sense. They make

00:47:56.760 sense. So, and you have a vibe that makes sense to me now, um, just to give you the overall list

00:48:01.740 in case you're just joining us. Now we are talking about the life forces, the five life forces that

00:48:07.680 Darren recommends for you to have a super life. We talked about nutrition. Of course, you can learn

00:48:13.180 more about the specifics in Darren's book. We're just giving an outline today. Nutrition was one

00:48:17.900 just to give you the other five and we'll go through them. Hydration, oxygenation,

00:48:23.520 alkalization. I think I've said that correctly and detox. Number six is a bonus and that's attitude.

00:48:31.240 And the part I'm really looking forward to is what Darren calls fatal conveniences. These are things

00:48:36.460 you're using to make your life better that are killing you. They're killing your super life.

00:48:41.860 Uh, and I can't wait to get to them, but let's, let's start with the good stuff and how we can

00:48:46.180 eat pretty easily be taking better care of ourself. Hydration, hydration. We hear it all the time.

00:48:53.280 Eight, eight glasses a day, but it really is important. Yeah, it's extremely important. And you know,

00:48:59.520 the, the, the thing is that in this kind of dovetails into the fatal convenience side of things,

00:49:05.960 and that is, you know, we are so blessed in our country to be able to turn on the tap and have

00:49:11.560 water on demand. Um, I've definitely been in many situations, uh, and seen different classes of

00:49:19.620 people around the world where that absolutely does not exist and they have never seen clean water.

00:49:26.080 It's dirty. And, uh, and that's a horrible situation. So I just want to set the table

00:49:31.860 appropriately. So I'm celebrating the fact that we have on demand tap water. The problem

00:49:37.580 is that, yeah, just saying drink eight ounces of water or eight, eight ounces of water a day

00:49:45.300 is appropriate. It's not, uh, you need to clean the water. And yes, we have pathogens that will kill

00:49:52.800 you immediately that are not in the water, but we also have other, uh, chemicals, industrialized

00:50:00.600 chemicals that have gotten in our tap water from those astrazines and, uh, glyphosates and

00:50:08.580 pharmaceutical drugs. You know, I wish that wasn't the case, but it is, uh, the data is all out there.

00:50:14.960 So you need to clean it. You need to clean that water and then kind of build the water back again.

00:50:19.480 So the bottom line is the easiest way to do that very cheaply. And you get kind of two birds with

00:50:26.080 one stone, and that is you clean it with reverse osmosis. So it's a filter that doesn't allow those

00:50:32.860 unwanted contaminants to pass through and it cleans that water or distillation. So it recondenses from

00:50:41.280 heat into, into water again. So that cleans everything out. However, extremely important to add

00:50:49.140 electrolytes back in. We have 70,000 little batteries of cells in our body. We need the

00:50:55.820 electrolytes for cellular osmolotic activity of hydration, water going into the cell. So adding that

00:51:04.660 crystal salt, Himalayan crystal salt, you have fulvic minerals that are a little more advanced,

00:51:11.120 but you can get, there's a great company called BLK, but there there's so unrefined

00:51:17.200 Himalayan crystal salt. You add a pinch per glass or half a teaspoon per gallon. And now you have the

00:51:24.480 appropriate size of those electrolytes that are so important for hydration. And now you've just

00:51:31.200 created clean water. And I just ask you, when you talk about the filter process, do you have to get one

00:51:36.160 of those fancy filters that the guy comes in and installs or can you just use like the Brita? A

00:51:40.720 lot of us use that. I love that. It's always the best. No, the Brita doesn't work. It doesn't get

00:51:48.260 everything out. Mom, oh no. Yeah. That gets out the larger sediment, but it doesn't get out those

00:51:54.580 smaller particulates and those chemical particulates. Right. And that's really what we, what we want.

00:52:00.500 We don't want the, the, the, those endocrine disrupting immune, uh, uh, damaging pesticides

00:52:09.280 and herbicides and pharmaceutical drugs. You just don't want those. And Brita is just not going to do

00:52:13.320 it. So you can't, you can't rely on those things, but it is quite simple, right? There's a, there's a

00:52:21.120 great company called Aqua True on the top counter reverse osmosis. And by the way, fun little fact,

00:52:28.360 uh, season two of down to earth when they're traveling around Australia, I bought one for

00:52:34.180 myself and I said, well, we have a hundred bags per our crew. I'm just going to add two more. I

00:52:40.500 bought an Aqua True for the crew for me. So I could go to any place, any hotel, put any water in there.

00:52:48.700 And I'm now creating clean water. And then we are a plastic free set. So we eliminated single

00:52:54.860 use plastic as much as we could. And that's the other side of it, right? So the other side of it,

00:53:00.740 the two birds with one stone is you cleaned your water. You've created receptivity in that water.

00:53:06.920 And now you've also eliminated the propensity to use single use plastic by just getting some glass,

00:53:15.360 getting a stainless steel glasses, my preferred kind of way to carry around glass or around water.

00:53:22.180 So, so it's easy to do that. And now you're not taking, which is again, this other flip side of

00:53:29.200 the fatal convenience is putting water in plastic is a really, really bad idea. And of course we can't

00:53:38.280 avoid it. Sometimes I, myself, just like everyone else, when you're in the airport, they, you have to

00:53:44.400 pour out your water and you have to buy, uh, you know, water. Cause I'd rather be hydrated, uh,

00:53:51.280 than, than not. So easy solution to, to create good, clean water and eliminate the single use plastic

00:54:01.440 that is harming you. And, and those plasticize, and again, I could go off on this, but they're

00:54:06.960 plasticizers and phthalates and BPAs in there that are leaching into the water. So eliminating those

00:54:16.180 things will be good for you in many directions. What about in your shower or your bath? You know,

00:54:21.060 is it dangerous to bathe in all of that unfiltered water? And what do you do about that?

00:54:26.460 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, you know, they, they use chlorine so that those pathogens don't

00:54:33.700 kill you on demand. So that again, that's part of the, the, the reason they've cleaned the water

00:54:39.660 treatment plants. This is not a dig. They're just doing what their standards are. Um, so, so, but

00:54:46.720 the reactions of chlorine with other, uh, inorganic compounds while it's going through pipes creates

00:54:54.260 other, uh, problems down the line with, with other chemical reactions. And then in a hot shower,

00:55:02.760 you're vaporizing that and your pores are open and you're sucking, sucking that in. So what goes on

00:55:09.660 the skin goes in the body period. Uh, so yes, a whole, you know, this is a bigger thing. A big home

00:55:17.920 water filter is a really good idea. And, and if not for, you know, go to, go to Amazon,

00:55:25.780 you can put a, at least a charcoal filter. That's going to get out most of the contaminants

00:55:32.720 on your shower head. And now you've just, at least again, this whole thing is about small steps

00:55:39.420 that you can become aware of and then take action on. And all those little things that add up is just

00:55:47.300 going to add up to your overall resiliency and your overall wellbeing.

00:55:52.160 Small steps that can make a big difference. A couple of things from your book. Uh, this made

00:55:56.360 a lot of sense. Start every morning with a big glass of water. You've gone eight hours without

00:55:59.800 drinking anything. That is, I've heard that from others too. First thing you should do when you get

00:56:03.240 up, have a big glass of water and our kids need to drink lots of water too, especially before school

00:56:08.860 in the morning. You say the latest research has found that test scores and academic abilities

00:56:14.940 actually depend on whether or not they've been drinking enough water, not to mention just their

00:56:20.960 health. And you point out that, um, that tired kind of fuzzy brained, emotionally drained feeling

00:56:28.800 that sometimes you have this time of day, for example, people reach for a chocolate or caffeine

00:56:34.920 or some snack. You might just need a glass of water. Yeah. Yeah. The number one side effect

00:56:41.540 of dehydration is lack of energy. And statistically 75% of the Americans are chronically dehydrated 75%,

00:56:54.300 7%, which is a massive number. Don't even drink one ounce of water a day. Oh, wow. And right. So,

00:57:04.100 how are we supposed to be mentally okay? How are we supposed to, uh, function properly? We're just

00:57:12.420 barely scraping by. So that's why the simplicity of these may seem simple, but they have exponential

00:57:21.120 benefit once applied and once applied over time, this isn't, you know, something to that you need to,

00:57:30.100 oh my God, you need to overcome. It's a biohack. It's what I know. It's the most common sense things

00:57:36.440 that you can do. And then from there, you can start adjusting as you become your own kind of superhero

00:57:43.980 Olympian, do these foundational things first, and then you can start feeling more and more, um,

00:57:53.820 aligned. Yeah. You can go next level. Yeah. Um, on the subject of kids, you address that too.

00:58:00.280 And you say you should be treating them the way you treat yourself. You should not have a different

00:58:05.200 diet for them. It occurred to me because it'd be so easy for me to just stick a glass of water in

00:58:10.480 front of each of my kids in the morning that that doesn't take any time at all. They will drink it if

00:58:14.540 it's there. Um, but that's a bigger challenge, right? They they're drawn to the sugary things.

00:58:21.920 They, I don't, you know, I don't know. And that seems hard to, to have your kids eat the way you

00:58:27.440 and I are talking about. Yeah. Well, listen, it's, it's also, we've trained them. They didn't,

00:58:32.720 they didn't come to this on their own. So we've trained them a certain way and we can train them back.

00:58:38.600 I mean, I don't want to, it's not like a dog, but I'm just saying, well, we, they are dependent

00:58:44.180 on us. So some little fun, little things you can do is put mint in the water, put a cucumber in the

00:58:53.960 water, put, you know, whole strawberries and let it just infuse itself in there. And those are

00:59:00.920 incredible ways. And it's also helping to mineralize the water. And now it's giving these effervescent

00:59:08.460 flavors that are delicious. And keep in mind, you've, you know, when you've, the microbiome and

00:59:17.320 all these habits have, have been, they don't just show up, they've been trained that way. So it might

00:59:22.620 take a little bit of annoying time of adjusting your child's habits as well, but speak to them as

00:59:32.500 you would yourself. Like, Hey, mommy's doing it. Daddy's doing it. This is healthy. Let's do this

00:59:39.940 together. I want to, I'm laughing. I'm thinking about myself saying, uh, step away from the mac and

00:59:45.980 cheese and come over to this sprouted broccoli that mommy's been growing. Yeah, that's a big jump.

00:59:53.140 That's a big jump. All right, wait, let's keep it moving forward. By the way, this is important. I like

00:59:57.900 this keeping plants around us beneficial for maintaining healthy levels of oxygen in our

01:00:03.700 systems. You write plants are very effective air purifiers, nature's most efficient indoor air

01:00:09.140 cleaners, removing pollutants. Um, studies have shown that hospital patients who have plants in

01:00:13.740 their rooms recover more quickly. So plants is another simple thing that we can do to help

01:00:18.020 ourselves breathe better. Um, and you talk about, um, yeah, cause this is a, sorry, I jumped ahead to

01:00:25.620 oxygenation and oxygenation. We did a little exercise in the beginning that I got from your

01:00:30.880 book. We need to be getting plenty of oxygen. We need to be breathing in and breathing out.

01:00:35.100 And can you just tell us the five, five, five, five step? Uh, it's not even a meditation. It's for

01:00:41.400 getting your brain oxygenated and your body oxygenated. Yeah. It's a bit, uh, it's just a

01:00:45.920 nice little easy box breathing. So it's in inhale five, hold for five, exhale of five. And then

01:00:54.880 on the exhale, you're holding additionally for five. And if you want to do it for five minutes,

01:01:00.740 right? And, and, and we know, and Dr. Andrew Huberman does a lot of great work on this, where

01:01:07.580 that, that, those types of box breathing, uh, can really down regulate all of us, any of us right

01:01:15.520 away, but it's shifting us all from this chronic stress that we've somehow created in our world very

01:01:21.540 effectively. That's undermining us, but it shifts us back into that parasympathetic state and every

01:01:28.280 process, including the immune system works exponentially greater. So you're getting many

01:01:34.480 things going on. You're helping brain chemistry. You're, um, down regulating from the adrenal response

01:01:42.880 to the parasympathetic, um, chill out space, but then you're also oxygenating the body. And we know

01:01:52.460 that with extra oxygen throughout the body, this helps fight bacteria. This stimulates the, the

01:02:02.100 substances of growth factors and stem cells and promotes healing. Like it is, again, this is why I love this

01:02:11.320 stuff. It's like, when you actually look at it, it's just pleomorphic. It's just, it's not a two

01:02:18.720 plus two equals four. It's a two plus two equals 24. Right. And it seems so simple, like oxygenate.

01:02:26.320 I mean, that's, that's the step we're talking about oxygen. Well, we're doing that now we're doing that

01:02:30.300 now, but you're basically saying we can amp it up and we can make, we can do more of it. We can do more

01:02:34.660 controlled breathing. The thing I mentioned about the plants, there are ways, and even you say,

01:02:38.320 if you have the opportunity to like study or be outside while you're doing some of your work

01:02:43.940 around plants and trees, take it like there are these tiny things that can improve our health.

01:02:49.240 Well, Megan, you know, you, you, you started with, you know, we were talking about, you know,

01:02:54.740 the indoor things and, and, um, the plants needing the plants inside. Well, part of this kind of fatal

01:03:02.980 convenience is we, we now are living 93% of our lives indoors. And, and with all of that, the

01:03:11.860 unpacking of that are fire retardants and formaldehydes and cleaning products and, and indoor air

01:03:22.360 circulations and dust and molds and mites and, and, uh, God forbid, black molds and everything else.

01:03:29.680 And so, and then artificial lights and everything else. So, so when I'm saying breathing, I'm saying

01:03:37.240 de-stress. And when I'm saying go outside, it's the antithesis of what I just said. And it's that

01:03:45.860 easy. It's opening the door, going outside, getting some sun, taking your shoes off, putting on the

01:03:51.060 ground if it hasn't frozen, cause I'm well aware of that coming from Minnesota. But, but at the end of

01:03:55.820 the day, Hey, makes, make a choice of maybe getting some powerful stress and, and that will also

01:04:02.100 stimulate your immune system. But that that's a whole nother, um, uh, tangent, but, but yeah,

01:04:08.140 these are really powerful things that you can do to counteract this weird ass modern world that we've

01:04:15.780 created. It is weird. It is just weirdly strange to never go outside. Yeah. It's, you know, I was

01:04:23.400 reflecting, I was watching that new show, 1883, uh, with, uh, what's that actor's name? Elliot and Tim

01:04:30.700 McGraw. And the reason I'm saying that is because my grandmother who ended up in the, um, uh, Dakota,

01:04:38.600 South Dakota, uh, before she passed away, uh, she was 93 and she told us the story of her coming across,

01:04:46.820 uh, Minnesota and South Dakota in a covered wagon. And, and she, uh, friendly native Americans and

01:04:54.660 she fed them and, you know, obviously they survived. And it's like, think of that. That was,

01:05:01.260 that's my grandmother. That's just that far away. And think of how far away we've accelerated ourselves

01:05:08.820 outside of nature and, and think that somehow we can wreak, we can do something and not be

01:05:16.580 intimately connected because we are all of our elements that we, that we are made up of is

01:05:23.560 absolutely nature. So we, we, you know, it's gets funny terms now, biohacking and all of that stuff.

01:05:31.340 Well, it's just really turn the common sense, uh, switch back on and don't be afraid of all of

01:05:41.400 these things like the sun, be, be mindful, get some sun and, uh, and, and settle down on some of

01:05:49.540 these chemicalized things. And yes, learn to breathe, learn instead of upper respiratory

01:05:56.560 breathing learned. Yeah. A couple of other tips on that. Cause you say breathe consciously. This

01:06:01.540 means inhaling deeply, filling your lungs, then emptying them completely. Too many people breathe

01:06:06.340 shallowly and breathing deeply through the nose is also a great stress reliever. Um, inhale properly

01:06:13.640 through your nose, which filters out the dirt pollution and other weirdness that would otherwise

01:06:17.400 go straight into the lungs. Get some exercise every day. Physical activity requires you to inhale

01:06:21.960 and exhale. And then this also from your book, Dr. Arthur C, uh, Guyton, author of the respected

01:06:29.240 textbook of medical physiology, put it like this, all chronic pain, suffering, and diseases are caused

01:06:35.360 from a lack of oxygen at the cell level. And you go on to cite another study out of Leeds, England

01:06:42.680 that concludes there's a clear link between low oxygen levels in the brain and Alzheimer's, not to

01:06:48.860 mention things like fatigue, circulatory problems, poor digestion, muscle aches, dizziness, depression,

01:06:56.080 memory loss. You, we need to think about oxygenating. Our lungs do a nice job on their own, but they could

01:07:02.400 use some help. Let me jump forward to alkalization. What, what is it? And is it good or bad?

01:07:09.640 Yeah. Well, I mean, it's, it's, it's really talking about the different, uh, gradients of,

01:07:17.620 of food in this case and water, uh, and the body regulates itself. Obviously the blood has to stay in a

01:07:24.580 certain, uh, pH or alkaline. It's really, I mean, maybe I would have changed the chapter back in the

01:07:31.200 day because it's talking about voltage really. Um, because that's, that's how these little cell

01:07:37.540 batteries work, right? We have to have the electrolytes just like a battery does in order

01:07:42.280 for electrical conduction. We are an electromagnetic field. I'm sorry to say like if the heart stops,

01:07:49.800 what do you do? You step away from the body, you take paddles and you try to start their heart again.

01:07:57.140 EKGs. We're, we're measuring the electrical regulation of the body. So the alkalinization

01:08:05.680 chapter starts to understand that whole fresh food is typically very high, not high, like over

01:08:15.400 alkalinization, but balanced alkaline. But if you consume things that are acidic, acidic, acidic over

01:08:22.700 time, then that's going to lower your electromagnetic field. And by the way, there's a great book. Um,

01:08:30.900 I don't remember the title, Dr. Jerry Tennant, um, the body's electric or something like that,

01:08:37.420 where he measured the millivolts go up when the body goes into a healing response. So if I hit

01:08:44.620 my thumb, it is in fact, the, the frequency and the voltage that goes up to signal the body

01:08:54.120 to pull in the growth factors, the stem cells, the constituents that it needs to heal. So this body's

01:09:02.180 communication from a cellular level, from a water level, from electrolyte level, from high vibe foods

01:09:11.660 are all this high degree of electrical conduction. So if you're taking in coffee all day, you're not

01:09:21.760 consuming water, you're eating ultra processed food, your vibe is super low. And there's a,

01:09:29.120 then that creates the opportunity for disease and other things to flourish because you've created

01:09:36.080 that environment, uh, to do so. It doesn't have a point of view, uh, bacteria or virus have an

01:09:43.720 opportunity to proliferate. Uh, it will, like I said in the book, uh, go put your garbage out. Uh,

01:09:51.240 and then the, if the garbage man doesn't come, uh, what happens, right? Nothing good. Uh, yeah.

01:09:57.600 Squirrels, raccoons, rats. If you live in New York or let me keep it moving. Um,

01:10:02.880 the, the, the last, the last life force listed is detox detoxification. And I mean, I think we

01:10:10.660 generally understand what that means, but I don't know. I mean, to me, I'm like, there goes the booze.

01:10:14.760 Um, you, you say, uh, don't become a booze hound. Don't become a drug user. Check. Got it. Um,

01:10:23.800 but there are a lot of chemicals in our food, in our drink and things we put in our, like on our skin,

01:10:31.560 our clothing, personal care products. So describe detox in a way that is useful for the average Jane or

01:10:39.180 Joe. I'll describe it this way. If you're not doing certain things, some of which you've described

01:10:49.380 putting toxic compounds in your body or on your body, you're going to be doing a lot better when

01:10:55.900 you line up all of these kind of representations of these life forces or fixes, then the body really

01:11:04.160 stays in harmony. But if you overload it full of just this made up food, this, you know, uh,

01:11:13.240 manufactured food that we are somehow calling food, uh, and then we're slathering on, uh, uh,

01:11:22.980 you know, 60 to 80,000 chemicals that are somehow created, you know, in our atmosphere and in our

01:11:29.740 environment and every year, and we're getting blasted with, um, personal care, we're getting

01:11:36.440 blasted with shampoos and deodorants. Uh, and again, like the water, then your body's going to be

01:11:42.620 overloaded and it won't stay, um, uh, on in tune with what it needs to because of all these other

01:11:51.860 man-made inputs. So the body is naturally with cellular autophagy. The body is naturally great.

01:11:59.520 At allowing cell death and replenishing cells and everything else. But now from this modern day

01:12:06.340 world, we have just blasted ourselves with, with, uh, chemicals that largely haven't even been tested.

01:12:14.780 Uh, you know, I think it's about 7% have actually been tested and then none of them, virtually none

01:12:21.300 have been tested as they interact with each other. And again, we are interacting, we are, you know,

01:12:27.420 in our life interacting with the deodorants we wear with the clothes we have on with the environment

01:12:34.960 all the time. So our bodies have a hard time clearing out some of that stuff. So the number

01:12:41.600 one thing, the takeaway is start to learn what you can eliminate and then replace with a healthy

01:12:49.520 opportunity, a healthy, uh, situation. So like a cologne, like there's no part of me that ever wants

01:12:57.020 a cologne or anything on my body. However, I will, I will lean towards and, and put on, uh, essential

01:13:06.280 lavender rose, everything else. That's actually sympathetically very good for my body. And also

01:13:15.120 incredible for people around me, as opposed to a chemical soup that's affecting my immune system

01:13:22.060 and other people's. So that's just one example of starting to get out of, uh, this world that

01:13:31.100 just because you can buy it doesn't mean it's healthy. Well, and thankfully now there are a lot

01:13:36.760 of products that will come without these chemicals because more and more manufacturers are paying

01:13:42.780 attention to this and realizing there's a whole market for people who care about this stuff.

01:13:47.960 Um, when we come back, we're going to talk about these conveniences, these fatal conveniences,

01:13:52.420 the things that you're doing in your life every day that might be really easy for you to eliminate.

01:13:58.920 Um, that could really help supercharge your life more with Darren coming right back after this.

01:14:08.640 Darren, I tell you the truth that during the break, we were talking about how like,

01:14:11.860 we're kind of, Oh, can't do it. You know, we're probably not going to get filters on our showers

01:14:17.080 and we, it's expensive. And like, we'd like the way we're eating and like some, the diet Coke every

01:14:22.960 once in a while tastes good. And we like meat and it's like the sunscreen and the chemicals is

01:14:28.000 everywhere in the fire retardant in the, in the carpet. It's like, I can't, I can't do it. It makes

01:14:32.660 me want to just walk away and say, forget it. Oh, I mean, I think it's easy. It's easy to go into

01:14:37.320 that place, that apathetic place, that overwhelmed place. And, but the, here's, here's the other side.

01:14:44.180 I spend the majority of my time focused on the solutions of these things because it's, it's,

01:14:50.200 it's again, do you want to do something that ultimately leads to you not living your best life

01:14:58.800 or your children's best lives and undercutting opportunities? Because it, it will, you know,

01:15:06.720 it, you, you will have to pay that debt. The body in our minds. I'm like that too. Our minds want to

01:15:15.700 just put it in these boxes. I don't want to think I just want to live my life. And I understand you

01:15:22.200 don't have to make any choices on my account. I'm just delivering a message. My father suffered

01:15:27.760 from this stuff, chemical sensitivity, chemical sensitivity in the nineties. So it was an early

01:15:34.820 indoctrination because in order to hang out with my father, I had to wear these things. I had to

01:15:43.740 change. I had to put on different deodorant. I had to wash my clothes differently if I was going to see my

01:15:48.940 father. So the truth is that it's hitting you anyway. So I don't know about you, but denial

01:15:56.660 just doesn't work. You know, I just, as a caveat, I was so surprised to get the message that you guys

01:16:03.120 wanted me on. Cause I'm like, I'm not political and I'm so happy that you're excited about these

01:16:07.420 topics and stuff. And, and so my point is like, if we don't discuss things, if we don't tell me how

01:16:16.600 good it goes, when you're dealing with a marriage, your, your, your marriage partner or regular

01:16:21.680 partner and you blow things off and you don't discuss how does, how does that go? It doesn't

01:16:27.900 go well. And then inevitably you have to pay the debt on, you know, not being honest with yourself,

01:16:35.040 not being honest with your partner. It's the same with the body and maybe even more. So, because

01:16:40.180 this physical avatar that we get to run around with and we get to participate in this life with,

01:16:48.060 this is getting hit with it. I wish, I wish at the core of me that I didn't have to write a book

01:16:54.960 on fatal conveniences that I didn't have to talk about it, that these chemicals are not in our

01:17:00.380 products because at the end of the day, why the hell are they? Yeah. It's like these forces are working

01:17:07.260 against us. Wait, okay. Let's switch into that gear and get into it. Cause I want to make sure

01:17:12.640 I made a list of the things that we're not supposed to be using. I'm just going to tick them off and

01:17:19.220 then we'll go through. This is the tease that I had from earlier. Sparkling water. We'll come back to

01:17:25.480 in a second. Acrylic and polyester antibacterial soap. That one for me is no problem. Canned food. Oh no.

01:17:34.720 Every time we make tacos, we make black beans out of the cans. Um, now here's where we really go off

01:17:41.420 the rails. Botox. Fuck you, Darren. Eyeliner and mascara. That's the point where I was like,

01:17:51.740 I'm out. I'll, I'll get a plant and I'll get a water filter and I'll give up seltzer and I'll breathe

01:17:57.420 and I'll get rid of my polyester blankets, but I am not getting rid of the poison that keeps his face

01:18:02.840 looking 10 years younger. Well, listen, Hey, Hey, to that point, if you're, if you're doing really

01:18:11.600 good things and keeping yourself healthy, uh, then that that's going to be better than blowing

01:18:17.300 everything off and then just sprinting towards a, a, a disastrous life. Pick your poison. As they say,

01:18:24.360 pick your poison. Yeah. Pick your poison, pick your time. So let's talk about sparkling water.

01:18:29.100 Everybody drinks sparkling water. Are you mean like the little canned sparkling waters with a

01:18:34.000 little flavor? Those, those are actually not particularly good for us. Yeah. Well now,

01:18:39.160 I mean now even turning on flavor, that's a whole nother thing, right? So the, the, you know,

01:18:44.260 in my supplement world background, you know, I looked under flavoring, uh, the, the laws of the FDA

01:18:51.780 around flavoring. There's so many loopholes that they can put different terminologies and flow agents

01:18:57.480 and everything else. And now you're walking on those natural flavors. Even if they say natural

01:19:02.920 have other unwanted things in there. I thought those were nothing. I didn't think there was

01:19:07.480 anything in those seltzers. Yeah. There's usually not, but you mentioned a flavoring thing. So I'm

01:19:12.800 just addressing that, but, but the, the just, just on their own. Yeah. They're infusing with, uh,

01:19:20.700 carbon dioxide and that converts to carbonic acid. And so again, so think of that now in context of

01:19:28.260 what we just talked about. Okay. We just talked about water. We just talked about electrolytes.

01:19:34.020 We just talked about the, the batteries and the electrical conduction of the body. Now,

01:19:39.960 knowing that these sparkling waters have a, uh, pH, which is a low acidity between anywhere from three

01:19:49.180 to five pH, which is, it's like a Richter scale. Every, uh, every, um, unit down from seven is,

01:19:58.140 is a 10 times factor. So it's, they're very acidic. Now, do I drink, um, will I drink, uh, sparkling water?

01:20:07.840 Yes. But I, you know, how these fatal conveniences come up, uh, is because I know people and they

01:20:16.280 they'll reach out and go out, Hey, I'm drinking water. I'm drinking like 10 sparkling waters a day.

01:20:21.400 And like, yeah, that's not a good idea. So what I'm saying is themselves are problematic. What they do

01:20:28.680 to make it carbonated is what you're trying to avoid. Go to flat water. Yeah. Yeah. And listen,

01:20:35.100 again, we now told you a couple of little hacks, infuse it with some, uh, uh, mint and some

01:20:42.280 strawberries. And I'm not saying juicing. I'm saying soak it in and that will vibe up and a

01:20:48.740 kombucha, a great kombucha with lower sugar is, is great. And it gets that tickle. I love kombucha

01:20:55.480 and you got the fermentation, you got the biome support. Oh, oh man. Well, uh, yeah, I'll point you

01:21:02.800 just some good, good. So, so, so, so that's number one. Let's go, let's go forward to acrylic

01:21:08.440 and polyester. I mean, literally everything is polyester. While I was reading this, I had this

01:21:12.440 nice comfy blanket on me and, uh, I'm like, Oh God, what's I I'm, I'm so dumb. I did not realize

01:21:18.840 that acrylic is right directly from fossil fuels. I learned this about plastic, uh, a couple, like a

01:21:24.680 year ago from Michael Schellenberger. And now I find out polyester too, it's right from fossil

01:21:28.760 fuel. So it's like curling up with an oil spell. So I already went online and I ordered a blankie

01:21:35.500 that didn't have any of that. It was $200. I'm like, okay, so I don't know, like, but that's

01:21:42.640 just a blankie. I bet you half the clothes I wear, I bet you the sheets I have over, like it doesn't

01:21:47.820 everything have polyester in it. Uh, yeah, unfortunately there's a lot. And, um, that,

01:21:55.060 that's the, again, this, this kind of weird world that we, we got sold and it's like to make these

01:22:02.180 cheap, super cheap products from, you know, the, the aftermath of petroleum and wrapping ourselves

01:22:09.920 and wrapping our children, um, in, you know, in plastic diapers and phthalates and endocrine

01:22:16.760 disruptors. I, I mean, it, it is just insane. Um, when you really start to kind of look at it, I,

01:22:23.840 I, uh, again, I, I, I have to stop myself every time I look at a fatal convenience and I've already

01:22:29.480 looked at it and I look at it some more and I see the research and it calls out and it's like,

01:22:34.820 oh my God, what are we doing? And so I'm compelled, you know, I lost my father 22 years ago, but he

01:22:43.040 embedded this in me. And, um, and so I I'm compelled to write about it. And then again, over time you can

01:22:52.760 change. And here's what I'll say about choosing expensive. Like I love upcycling, but keep in mind

01:22:59.680 that the older blankets for the most part, the older blankets and clothing are the less toxicity

01:23:07.780 they have. So hold on to stuff longer up cycle. There's amazing upcycled companies. There is, um,

01:23:17.540 I think I can say this. There's an incredible, there's a lot of hope. And let me, let me say

01:23:23.360 this. There's a great company called Kentra, um, run by this amazing woman CEO. And, um, they figured

01:23:31.820 out the molymers. So, so all of these petroleum, they're playing with certain chemistry to create

01:23:39.580 what they're creating, but also now just putting some effort into looking at other chemistry.

01:23:46.600 They're now able to create waste streams from sugar and play with the molymers. And now they

01:23:54.020 are absolutely creating textiles from sugar and it doesn't have the petroleum endocrine disrupting

01:24:02.580 problems. And they are pushing away some of the top brands on the planet, um, to convert over to

01:24:10.620 the stuff. So, so maybe don't ask you, this is a, this is a personal question, but we have a terribly

01:24:17.160 naughty dog. He's so naughty. My audience knows about my Strudwick and we just ordered a rug.

01:24:25.460 That's basically made out of plastic, but it feels soft. And it's taking like eight months to get

01:24:32.340 here. And now I'm like, Oh man, we shouldn't have gotten that rug. And now I'm going to have to have

01:24:36.780 my kids keep their sneakers on whenever they walk across this rug, because it's basically like rubbing

01:24:41.860 yourself with polyester and acrylic and bottled water. And it's, yeah, exactly. Exactly. And we're

01:24:49.760 inhaling that and there's micro plastics. And, you know, you know, I think the stat is we're consuming

01:24:57.300 unknowingly about a credit cards worth of plastic every week, uh, from all of this ridiculousness.

01:25:05.100 And so I, so again, you go back to just turn on the common sense, uh, radar again. Um, don't,

01:25:14.420 don't neuter your pet or your children because there's, there's certain elements to all of this

01:25:21.280 stuff. Cause you've got the parabens, you got the formaldehydes, you have the phthalates,

01:25:25.640 all of them based in petroleum's, um, all have very, very similar things. They're endocrine

01:25:33.180 disrupting. So they're absolutely affecting female and male hormones. Um, and, and now we know that

01:25:41.000 every child born in America has already 200 chemicals in the umbilical cord. Uh, and many of

01:25:49.920 them are carcinogenic. So we've created a world where it's ridiculous. So what do we do?

01:25:57.000 That just like threw me for a loop. Is this, and forgive me if you don't want to touch on this,

01:26:00.860 that's fine. But if, if, if all these chemicals affect like your, your gender hormones, I mean,

01:26:10.300 do you think that there's a connection between all these chemicals and this, the rise that we're

01:26:13.920 seeing in people who identify as trans? Like, I don't, is this, is this discussion entering your

01:26:18.520 world? I mean, it's hard not to just say, Hey, there, there is, uh, we are neutering ourselves.

01:26:29.260 So I just go back to like, there's great work by Dr. Leo, uh, Leo Trisande, right. Where we'd

01:26:35.680 absolutely know that the male motility, I think 2040, uh, there won't be, I mean, from statistics,

01:26:43.660 there won't be a man or 2050, there won't be a man with a viable sperm. Um, so yeah, we're,

01:26:51.840 we're affecting our immune system. I, I can't, I'm not a researcher. I can't make that jump. And I

01:26:56.780 wouldn't, I wouldn't dare to, because I have no idea, but I do know that all of these chemicals and

01:27:03.580 so many more are absolutely affecting, uh, menopause affecting, uh, uh, menstruation. Uh,

01:27:13.200 and then if the T counts of men are gone, uh, there was studies, uh, around, uh, testosterone levels

01:27:21.960 at 1500, I think millimoles per deciliter or something like that. And, and, and now they've

01:27:29.800 shifted the average because everyone's so low and now it's like 500 to whatever is normal.

01:27:37.080 So we've, we've, we've somehow said, well, this is just what's happening. Just what's happening is

01:27:43.720 not nor like, it shouldn't be the, it shouldn't be the barometer for normal. Right. So, so it's a

01:27:51.760 really big problem. It's a really big problem. And, and do you have any plastic in your house?

01:27:57.040 Do you have any plastic in your house? I mean, you can't avoid it. Of course. I mean,

01:28:00.920 what do you have on your floors? Like what kind of rugs do you have?

01:28:03.940 I have no rugs. Um, I have this recycled, um, I mean, listen, I'm rebuilding, um, cause the fire

01:28:14.000 from the end of season one, I chose to come back to my property and be here on the ground as I try to

01:28:20.580 rebuild. And I'm in a, I'm in a 400 square foot yurt for the last three and a half years.

01:28:25.260 I'm like, Oh my goodness. So like I live, I'm living in this year.

01:28:29.380 It's like the fire retardant is good to some extent. Like it's not all bad.

01:28:33.540 Well, it actually, yeah, it is actually a fire retardant. Uh, the, the research goes back to

01:28:42.380 that. Why they put it in things is because, you know, in the seventies, sixties, seventies,

01:28:47.200 people were cigarette smoking and it was to prevent if the cigarette fell, it doesn't stop a fire at all.

01:28:55.260 Does nothing to stop the fire. And in fact, it releases all of those toxins and makes it much

01:29:01.400 more dangerous for even the firefighters. It's not stopping anything. So yeah. So I checked on my

01:29:08.020 floors. Uh, I checked my, even my yurt couch. I went out and bought an organic, uh, no formaldehydes.

01:29:16.800 Um, and like I eliminate as much as possible.

01:29:21.940 Wow. You could never live with Stredwick. I mean, he's like, we have all the furniture sprayed so

01:29:26.760 that if he craps on it or he does something to it, we can clean it up more easily. It doesn't work.

01:29:31.220 As I said, we're now getting plastic carpets, but now I might need to look into a refund. Let's see

01:29:35.960 if that's refundable, Abby. Um, there's so much more. Listen, what's a good, what's a good place for

01:29:40.920 people to go who want to hear more from you? Um, you got the TV show. I can't believe we didn't

01:29:45.440 even get to Zac Efron. That's that feels very wrong, but tell us the places where we can get

01:29:49.500 more information from you, Darren. Well, darinaline.com, darinaline on all handles. And I also

01:29:55.020 a special shout out. It happens to be Zac Efron's birthday today. So happy birthday, Zac. And, uh,

01:30:02.140 we're excited. Season two is coming out. I can't say when, but soon. You guys are so cute together

01:30:07.240 and they go all over the place and Darren does his thing and Zac's equally into, into it. And it's

01:30:11.740 won all these Emmys. So this, this project has turned into something really meaningful and very

01:30:16.100 successful. Uh, and we will definitely watch it. Darren, thank you. Thank you so much for the great

01:30:20.760 discussion. I appreciate it. Megan, it's been great. Thanks for having me.

01:30:24.300 Time for another edition of thanks, but no thanks where we say thanks, but no thanks to a trend or

01:30:34.880 a story bubbling up in the news today. We're talking about beauty, at least beauty as it's

01:30:39.920 defined by a brand that has gone so far over the woke line. It is getting serious backlash now from

01:30:45.600 its own customers. Ulta beauty is a cosmetics and fragrance brand with more than a thousand stores

01:30:51.900 throughout the country and tens of thousands of employees. Last month, Ulta launched a new video

01:30:57.800 series on their YouTube and social media accounts called the beauty of with a focus on a different

01:31:03.340 representative influencer. Each episode sounds interesting. Let's see what's going on.

01:31:08.200 The series is hosted by David Lopez, a hairstylist and beauty expert. The first episode is called

01:31:14.340 the beauty of fatness and features Virgie Tovar who Ulta describes as an author and

01:31:21.900 activist and expert in weight based discrimination who has taken her body back from a fat phobic

01:31:29.760 society. Let's take a look. Really, we're looking at different layers where fat phobia exists. We're

01:31:35.580 talking about the interpersonal layers, you know, how we relate to it and how it shows up in our lives

01:31:39.440 as a cisgendered queer gay man. You know, our whole identity revolves around like, let's be as fit as

01:31:46.480 possible, thin as possible, be as desirable as possible. Fat phobia. We're looking at the system,

01:31:51.300 what you're talking about. We love seeing magazine covers of what you said, a over a fat celebrity,

01:31:57.700 for lack of a better word, that now has lost a hundred pounds. We love to see that.

01:32:01.700 I want to start by saying that, you know, no one has to be healthy. No, right. Like, I mean,

01:32:08.460 it's like, no, like there is no governing body that's like out there putting, you know what I mean?

01:32:12.660 It's like, no one owes anybody that in either the traditional sense of the word or any other

01:32:19.220 more innovative or, you know, more politicized, maybe even version of that word.

01:32:24.580 You don't have to be healthy, but we don't have to celebrate somebody who is morbidly obese as

01:32:29.520 healthy. That's a lie. By the way, what is tea? Tea? What's that? I don't. Truth? Abby looked it up.

01:32:36.240 Truth. You can't even say truth anymore. You just got to go tea. That's cooler. This goes on for 33

01:32:40.620 minutes. These two, the response in the YouTube comments from the Ulta customers was pretty

01:32:45.280 universally outraged. One commentator crystal writes in. I was obese and 300 pounds. I was

01:32:51.720 always in pain. I was slowly killing myself with food and not moving enough and critique the whole

01:32:56.160 beauty movement saying y'all are playing with your lives. Ulta actually responded comments such as

01:33:02.520 yours perpetuate the discrimination. We're trying to combat what the intersectionality of health and

01:33:07.840 fatness is nuanced, often personal and needs to consider more than just one's relationship with

01:33:13.600 food. So in other words, shut the F up, Crystal. What do you know? Former fat person. Which brings

01:33:20.260 us to episode two, which came out last week. This time, Dave sits down with someone named Dylan Mulvaney

01:33:26.720 for an episode titled The Beauty of Girlhood. We actually talked about Dylan Mulvaney recently on an

01:33:31.960 episode of this show when Coleman Hughes was here because Dylan was featured at a Forbes podcast.

01:33:37.840 Women's Summit. This is Dylan. Day three of being a girl and I've already become a bimbo

01:33:45.560 with the queen herself. We are drinking martinis at 255 on a Monday on Sunset Boulevard and then we're

01:33:52.900 going makeup shopping. We love it. Cheers. Oh my God. Yeah. So let's take a look at how this dive

01:34:00.780 into quote girlhood goes with Dylan and Dave. And we're on day 167 of girlhood. Mr. Hollywood,

01:34:08.780 I'm right here. But if we're going to talk about like beauty, femme, my signature, I mean,

01:34:16.200 if anyone follows me on Instagram, it's a pretty much a signature look. It's always like, it's just

01:34:20.820 very beautiful. It's very beat. I always elongate my eyes. I'm always taped to like, I just like to

01:34:26.660 present the most feminine parts of me. But the thing is, is that I, um, a makeup artist

01:34:32.760 from my adore, does my makeup sometimes. We're the only people who does it. And he, he has said

01:34:37.200 to me multiple times, like, there's a point when you, I'm doing your makeup and when I want you do

01:34:41.040 yours, I see the euphoria happen. It like shows up in you. Well, I got to tell you in person,

01:34:46.720 your skin is like gorge. Like it's giving me like gal out on the town, but without a pore on her face.

01:34:54.180 She paid a lot of money for that. So I got to get some of that. Oh my God. These are two biological

01:35:00.720 men. Dave, the host is wearing a long blonde wig. Here's what happened. When Ulta tweeted the preview

01:35:08.940 of this with a sentence, trans girls can do it all with those annoying clapping hands,

01:35:14.640 the emojis behind every single word and said the episode featured David and Dylan talking all

01:35:20.300 things girlhood. Ulta's 600,000 followers had a big issue with the framing. Maggie tweeted,

01:35:25.160 those are two adults. It's very creepy to hear them talking about girlhood when neither has ever

01:35:28.480 experienced it. To which Ulta responded, we believe that beauty has no boundaries and we want to create

01:35:33.100 an environment where all expressions of beauty are welcome. It's clearly secretly Dave making the

01:35:36.860 comments. In other words, shut up Maggie. Or another one who tweeted two adult men talking about

01:35:41.860 their experiences with girlhood. Please explain the difference between woman face and black face

01:35:46.060 because I can't see one. To which Ulta replied, hate has no place at Ulta Beauty or our social

01:35:51.460 channels. Please refrain from posting disrespectful or hateful comments. This went on for dozens of

01:35:56.420 tweets until Ulta decided to make a final statement this weekend saying the premise of the beauty of is

01:36:01.460 to feature conversations that widen the lens surrounding traditional beauty standards. The

01:36:05.420 intersectionality of gender identity is nuanced. Something David and Dylan acknowledge themselves

01:36:09.300 within the episode, regardless of how somebody identifies, they deserve our respect. Ulta Beauty,

01:36:13.660 we can respect those two without making them the face of a video show about girlhood. Thanks,

01:36:18.600 but no thanks. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - October 18, 2022

Whether Walker and Oz Can Win, and Learning to Breathe and Detox, with Tom Bevan and Darin Olien ｜ Ep. 414

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