Candace DeLong, a former FBI criminal profiler who worked on cases like the Unabomber and the Tylenol Murders, joins host Megan to discuss Luigi Mangione's background and how it led him to become a serial killer.
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00:00:17.160We are learning new and disturbing details about the accused healthcare CEO killer as his manifesto and other chilling writings become public.
00:00:25.900This comes amid more bizarre displays of praise for this guy, Luigi Mangione, from those who are positioning him as some kind of Robin Hood figure.
00:00:35.240I'm over it. I'm really over that psychosis by some faction of the American populace.
00:00:42.440Just, you know what, like, Dr. Leonard Sachs is here in just a few minutes.
00:00:47.100I mean, this is the parenting expert. He's an MD. He's a PhD. He has spent his life studying longitudinal, long-term studies of children and actually practicing with children.
00:01:00.620And he actually knows a thing or two about psychology.
00:01:03.520And one of his main takeaways is have dinner with your children.
00:01:09.100In a perfect world, seven nights a week.
00:01:10.640But as many nights as you can, even if it's short of seven, someone needed to do that in the families of the people who are now praising this guy as a Robin Hood figure.
00:01:36.680I think he was a farmer, and this guy, Brian Thompson, was totally self-made, pulled himself up, got himself to the top of the insurance world.
00:01:44.260The killer accused is from enormous privilege, tons of dough.
00:01:49.800The family owned country clubs, radio stations, health facilities, went to some Tony boys school for $40,000 a year, valedictorian, UPenn, Ivy League, all the advantages, all the breaks.
00:02:02.400And yet he's supposed to be the Robin Hood?
00:02:05.760He's the one we're supposed to be rooting for?
00:02:49.760She worked on cases like the Unabomber, the Tylenol murders.
00:02:55.460We spoke to her on episode 466 about the Idaho murders.
00:03:00.140So you may be familiar with Candace's work.
00:03:03.400When they first recruited her over at the FBI, she was a head nurse over at Northwestern University.
00:03:08.520And then she went on to work, as I said, on some of the most prominent cases in America.
00:03:13.680She's hosted the award-winning podcast Killer Psyche with Candace DeLong.
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00:04:26.260How does a guy with that kind of a background, with all the advantages, who was a valedictorian of his high school class just 10 years ago in 16, not even 10 years ago, in 16, who goes on to complete a bachelor's and a master's at the University of Pennsylvania, not exactly an easy school, wind up becoming this much of what looks like a psycho killer in just a few years?
00:04:52.540Well, Megan, a lot of mental disorders, mental illnesses emerge in the late teens, early to mid-20s.
00:05:07.000I'm simply saying that is a fact about mental illnesses, and it's certainly a good question.
00:05:15.320Looking at this young man's meteoric rise to success athletically, culturally, socially, academically, and then to throw it all away and appear in behavior that is a head-scratcher became a murderer, I think we probably will find something.
00:05:38.840What does it look like to you, like schizophrenia?
00:05:43.200Because you tell me, if you're having a psychotic break, and I know, and we've seen this with young men in particular who are guilty of mass shootings, seems to happen between 19 years old and the mid-20s, but are those people generally like this guy, Luigi, where you're fine for all the years prior to that?
00:06:04.640You know, there's no hint that this is going to happen to you.
00:06:10.200Now, I'm not saying this guy is psychotic.
00:06:12.840Clinical term means out of touch with reality, doesn't perceive things as they are possibly hearing voices.
00:06:20.200We don't know that about him, but the answer to your question is, yes, I'm aware of a number of cases, both in my life growing up, and then as a psychiatric nurse, caring for people, young people who went away to college, and the expression is, came home in a basket.
00:06:42.500And what happened was, mental illness, serious, usually schizophrenia, or sometimes bipolar disorder, emerged where there's that bridge from puberty to adulthood.
00:07:03.140Because what I'm looking at with this guy is, well, we don't know much about his family, but there's a lot of references to, like, mushrooms or drugs on his social media.
00:07:15.320And we did have on Dr. Roland Griffith, who was the guy who really founded, not really, who did found the clinic for psilocybin and for, you know, these sort of MDNA treatments for people who are depressed at Johns Hopkins.
00:07:33.960But one of the main things he said, Candace, was, you don't do those drugs recreationally or outside of a setting in which a prior family history of psychosis or schizophrenia can be detected.
00:07:49.200He said, because if we see anything like that in the questionnaire we give our potential participants, they're bounced, because it can trigger a psychotic break from which you may not return.
00:08:04.700And when my son was in high school decades ago, a friend of his did some kind of designer drug, psychedelic drug, became a schizophrenic thought disorder, and it did not have a happy ending.
00:08:24.120And if somebody has a history, they may not even know they have a history of mental illness of some kind, it can open the floodgates.
00:08:35.180Are you surprised to hear all these friends coming out and saying, totally nice guy, absolutely didn't see any, and recently, you know, the college friend saying, absolutely no hint of this.
00:08:47.300And the most they seem to be able to come up with is, well, he had this terrible back injury, though so far no one is claiming he was denied insurance or anything like that, but like he had some terrible back injury.
00:09:00.960I'm not surprised that his friends from college, which was a while ago, were saying, gee, we didn't see this coming, he's totally normal, because when many of these mental illnesses we're talking about emerge, it happens in a matter of weeks.
00:09:20.080And I haven't seen anyone being interviewed that said they had interacted with him in the last six months.
00:09:29.440And would it be typical, do you think?
00:09:31.360I mean, are you surprised to learn he went kind of underground or went radio silent with respect to family and friends over these past six months to the point where his mother filed a missing persons report for him in San Francisco in November, believing that that's where he was, though we don't know where he was at the time.
00:09:48.860The most recent report was he was in Hawaii for a period.
00:11:57.360That is different than what we are seeing here with Mangione.
00:12:01.920He was being led into the courthouse yesterday to be charged in connection with this alleged crime and seemed to be trying to wriggle out of the physical control of the police officers to be heard.
00:12:20.800It's kind of difficult to understand what he's saying, but my read of it is, and we'll play it, but I'll just give it to you in advance.
00:12:27.740It's completely, we don't know what, it's completely out of touch and an insult to the intelligence of the American people.
00:13:05.240When I saw that, of course, I watched it very carefully.
00:13:09.020And one of the things that I noticed was when he was in the police vehicle, there is no indication, I couldn't see, that he was causing a stir, that he was combative, yelling, screaming, kicking, anything like that in the vehicle.
00:13:27.520He gets out, he gets out, he looks around, he spots the camera, and then he goes on his rant.
00:13:33.980Now, there was a time I worked at a county emergency psychiatric facility.
00:13:41.860And most patients that were brought in were in the back of a police car, and they were screaming and yelling, there's actually a cage wall to protect, it looks like a cage to protect the police officers in front.
00:14:11.480We've got, I mean, his lawyer says, I've seen no evidence that he's the killer.
00:14:15.860Okay, we've all seen overwhelming evidence if one-tenth of what the news is reporting that it was all over the sky.
00:14:22.380He, other than, I mean, he basically had a t-shirt that read, I'm the killer of CEO Brian Thompson.
00:14:27.520He had his manifesto on him, he had the gun on him, he had the bullets on him.
00:14:33.800He, now the latest reporting is that his fingerprints, they do match fingerprints found at the scene of the murder.
00:14:41.740And in the notebook that's on him, this is how one of the ways in which we know, other than his book club, that he had a fondness for the Unabomber, because they are reporting at CNN,
00:14:51.440that his notebook included a list of to-dos and tasks that he needed to complete to facilitate a killing, as well as notes justifying those plans.
00:15:02.520And in one passage in the notebook, he concludes that using a bomb against his intended victim could kill innocents,
00:15:10.460but that shooting would be much more targeted, musing what could be better than, quote, to kill the CEO at his own bean counting conference, which indeed is what happened.
00:15:21.260And try to help us understand here, Candace, because if you read his alleged manifesto, and the police haven't yet released it,
00:15:29.080but there is a report online, CBS claims that they've seen it, Ken Klippenstein claiming he's seen it and has posted it.
00:15:37.740It goes on to say some of what we already read to our audience yesterday.
00:15:43.480To the feds, I'll keep it short, because I respect what you do for the country.
00:15:47.060To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly I wasn't working with anyone.
00:15:51.120This was fairly trivial, some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, I don't know what that means, a lot of patience.
00:15:58.380The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and to-do lists that illuminate the gist of it.
00:16:05.920But my tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering, so probably not much info there.
00:16:10.820I do apologize for any strife or traumas, but it had to be done.
00:16:14.760Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming.
00:16:18.040He rips on the healthcare system and how large United was and how life expectancy in America is not what he hoped it would be.
00:16:26.920And then he goes on to say something interesting.
00:16:29.880Obviously, the problem's more complex, but I don't have the space.
00:16:32.600And frankly, I don't pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument.
00:16:40.160He says, many people have illuminated the corruption, the greed.
00:16:44.720And then he writes, evidently, I am the first to face this with such brutal honesty.
00:16:50.700So as somebody who, you know, does this kind of profiling, Candace, what he's saying, I don't really understand it that well.
00:16:59.400There are a lot of people who get it better than I do.
00:17:01.840But I understand I'm the one, the first one to sort of be brave enough, he's saying, to do what needs to be done here, to face it with brutal honesty.
00:17:11.180And he's confessing to the feds, let me save you the time, I did it and I did it alone.
00:17:16.820What does all that, if it proves to be real, and so far it looks like it may be, tell you?
00:17:54.160He is the avenging angel as he sees it.
00:17:57.480Yet, in his notes, I see fragmentation, wandering thoughts, which all would support that he is, this whole thing has to do with the mental decompensation going on.
00:18:20.000And last question quickly, does that mean insane as a legal matter?
00:18:23.940Well, it's insane, of course, legally means the individual did not understand, did not know at the time they committed an act that it was wrong.
00:18:33.900And that's hard for people to understand.
00:18:36.000But if an individual has voices in their head telling them to kill someone in order to save the rest of America, that is a very serious mental, they really thought what they were doing was right.
00:18:54.340And they belong in a mental facility, not a prison.
00:20:24.040He recently revised and updated his incredible bestselling book, the collapse of parenting, how we hurt our kids when we treat them like grownups.
00:20:37.780I want to get into all things about the update, but can I get your thoughts to kick it off on this, um, accused killer in connection with the murder of Brian Thompson and what you glean from the facts that we just outlaid?
00:21:08.980They want to see themselves as heroes in their own eyes.
00:21:12.920You know, I spoke some years ago at a, uh, conference on juvenile justice statewide conference in New Mexico, uh, and the topic was boys adrift, the title of one of my books.
00:21:23.000And after my presentation, uh, they had a panel of four, uh, experts, uh, from across the state.
00:21:31.540And one was judge John Romero, who's the chief of the juvenile judges in Albuquerque.
00:21:36.940And he said, when he first began doing this work as a juvenile judge in Albuquerque, he was puzzled because all these, uh, teenage boys, um, you know, good men with, with, with great potential being accused of these horrible, violent crimes.
00:21:54.960And he would take them into his chambers and say, why are you doing this?
00:22:24.820If you get killed, trying your hero, if you get thrown in jail, your hero, if you chicken out, you're a wuss.
00:22:30.800And, and then he looked right at us and he said, most of you, you don't, you're not from the barrio and you're thinking, oh, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm doing great.
00:22:39.180My son's not going to be in the juvenile justice system.
00:22:41.960He said, but your son is no different.
00:22:44.260The difference between your son and the boys I see your son is staying at home in his bedroom, playing his video games.
00:22:51.180The difference between your son and the boys in my chambers is your son is playing with pretend guns in his video game, but it's the same, it's the same dynamic playing with pretend guns, being a pretend hero in his call of duty and his grand theft auto.
00:23:08.560In both cases, though, your son has left the real world in his fantasy world, wanting to be a hero in his own mind.
00:23:18.880And I, and that's the same thing that's going on here.
00:23:20.780We have failed as a society to capture these boys, to give them better models, better ways to become a hero, to be a hero in the right way.
00:23:33.440And, and, and again, that's going back to my book, Boys Adrift, where I, where I talk about good role models, men like Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who gave his life for the right cause.
00:23:42.700Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a pastor, had a comfortable job preaching in New Jersey in 1938 and left that job, went back to Nazi Germany, put his life in jail, in, in, in jeopardy and joined the conspiracy to take the life of Adolf Hitler and was caught and was executed in concentration camp.
00:24:08.140We're failing at the job of inspiring boys to be the right kind of hero.
00:24:14.540So how do you figure out whether it's that kind of a problem where he is sane and has not suffered a psychotic break, but just is under this delusion that he needs to be a hero somehow.
00:28:59.420And what we do know about Luigi Mangione is that he went to a secular independent school, the Gilman School, which has no religious affiliation.
00:29:25.460If you don't have that firm foundation, what do you where do you find your rule for right and wrong?
00:29:33.000And then you pen, which is so adrift that its president was forced out last year for not being able to say that it's wrong to chant things like, well, basically, death to Israel, death to the Jews.
00:30:02.540So this, okay, there's so much to go over.
00:30:05.180But I asked my followers on X today, knowing that you were going to come on, whether they had anything they wanted me to ask you.
00:30:13.260And I'll get to some of those questions throughout the course of the two hours.
00:30:15.980But one of the questions was, and it came up over and over, and I thought this is actually a really good one.
00:30:21.000Let me see if I can find the way they put it.
00:30:22.940But how do we help our children in today's day and age with AI, with tech everywhere, with video games and iPhones, how to find purpose, how to find their purpose?
00:30:37.000I was like, oh, my gosh, that's a big one.
00:30:39.340It's starting to dump that big one on you so soon in our interview.
00:30:41.960But, you know, to your point, how do you?
00:32:09.100You, you have family dinners, you fight for dinners at home.
00:32:13.340And again, many parents are confused and they're, they're driving their kids around to play dates or they're driving their kids to travel team soccer or computer coding class.
00:32:26.240Prioritize the parent-child relationship.
00:32:29.320And, and then the rest will follow once you have the strong family relationship.
00:32:34.080That's so key that I think in today's day and age, many parents are very worried about is junior getting asked on enough play dates or to go hang with his or her friends enough.
00:32:46.220Is my kid, the kid that's sitting at home with me and my spouse too much, you know, are they popular?
00:32:52.980Are they out there with friends, which is what is considered quote normal.
00:32:58.920I would say, I would come back to the central key point that I try to make in the new edition of my book, The Collapse of Parenting, which is that, that central paradox of American parenting right now, which is that parents are spending more time and more money on their kids than parents have ever done before.
00:33:16.020But the results are worse than they have ever been.
00:33:20.080American kids are more likely to be anxious and depressed than they have ever been.
00:33:24.080They are in worse shape physically than they have ever been.
00:33:26.600They are less fit than they have ever been.
00:33:28.360They are heavier than they have ever been.
00:33:30.140So bluntly, American parents are doing it all wrong because American parents are really confused.
00:33:35.880They've got the priorities all mixed up.
00:33:37.660They think that it's really important for kids to have friends who are their own age.
00:35:16.460We've got girls who are sending selfies to boys that they don't even know, and the parent is not aware of this, and it has life-changing bad consequences for girls.
00:35:27.280You've got to put parental monitoring software on your teenager's phone and say, look, this app is going to see every photograph you take before you even do anything with it.
00:35:40.100And if there's anything inappropriate, it's going to pop up on my phone.
00:35:43.040And if you do anything inappropriate, you're going to lose your device indefinitely.
00:35:48.300So one of the stories I share, a 12-year-old girl had a 14-year-old boyfriend.
00:35:53.940He asked her to send him some photos, nothing obscene, just wanted to see her take off her school uniform, blouse, and kilt to reveal bra and panties.
00:36:01.960Of course, she knew her parents would not allow this.
00:36:03.860So she goes into her bedroom, closes the door, locks the door, and does as he acts and sends the photographs using Snapchat.
00:36:13.660Now, Snapchat claims you can send a photo using a five-second self-destruct, and after the recipient has seen the photo for five seconds, it will vanish.
00:36:21.040And if they try to save the photo using a screenshot, you, the sender, will be notified.
00:36:28.240It knows that there's dozens of free apps out there that will save the photo, and the sender will not be notified.
00:36:33.140The boy, of course, had installed one of these apps, and he saved all the photos.
00:36:38.360School administrators later determined that he didn't intend for anyone else to see the photos, but he was at a party, and he set his phone down to grab some chips and talk to some friends.
00:36:47.840Another boy came along that lock screen had not engaged, found the phone, went to the gallery, found the photos, forwarded each of the girls' photos to his own phone, posted each of the photos on his own Instagram.
00:37:00.700Within three days, everybody at the school had seen them.
00:37:03.300Boys, this girl didn't even know were coming up to her and say, hey, Emily, how about you do a striptease for us?
00:37:14.920She'd been invited to a three-day ski weekend.
00:37:17.980The girl, the birthday girl whose parents were hosting the ski weekend, the birthday girl, called this girl and said, you know, I hate to make this phone call, but my mom is totally freaking out because all the other moms are freaking out, and they're all saying that they won't let their daughter come if you're going to be there because they all think you're now some kind of bad influence.
00:37:37.860Girl totally melted down, refusing to go to school, saying her life was over, that the photos would always be out there, which is totally true, incidentally.
00:37:45.320The school administrators made this boy take them down, but by that time, 20 other boys had picked up the photos and reposted them.
00:38:23.180With this device, I can take a photo and send a photo, and once I send that photo, I have no control over what happens to it, over who sees it.
00:38:31.700If you're going to put a device like this in the hands of a child, then you are responsible for every photo they take and everyone who sees it.
00:38:40.180You must install parental monitoring software if you're going to give a device to a child under 18.
00:38:46.380And explain to your kid, the app is going to see every photo you take as soon as you take it.
00:38:52.700If it's anything inappropriate, it's going to pop up on my photo.
00:38:55.120You're going to lose the device indefinitely.
00:39:44.560The moral of the story of Jeff Bezos and David Petraeus, don't share any photo with a device unless you're prepared for grandma to see it in the newspaper.
00:39:56.480And you don't share that by preaching that.
00:39:59.700You communicate that by saying, I've installed an app on your phone.
00:45:07.380Facebook is about connecting you to people you know, or you used to know, you know, on Facebook, you can connect with your first grade classmate, whatever.
00:46:30.320And Gene Twenge responded and she sent me back an email saying the research now supports a total ban on social media for all teens, uh, for all children up below 18 years of age.
00:46:45.220Um, and, and that is, that is where I am now that the newer research in the era of TikTok,
00:46:54.820We can argue about whether it's 16 or whether it's 18, but the research now strongly supports
00:47:00.980no social media for any kid in the English speaking world under 16 or 18 years of age.
00:47:10.020And that's, I, I mentioned the English speaking world because there's an interesting factoid here.
00:47:15.180You know, everyone's been talking about this rise in anxiety and depression that has occurred in the last 15 years.
00:47:21.460And, and John Height and Gene Twenge and others have talked about how, oh, it's all because of the smartphones and the social media.
00:47:27.580But one thing that John Height and Gene Twenge haven't talked about much is that look at Greece, look at Russia.
00:47:34.900You have not seen that rise in anxiety and depression in Greece and in Russia, even though kids in Greece and Russia are just as likely to have smartphones, just as likely to have social media.
00:47:49.520They're not, they're not showing the rise in anxiety and depression.
00:48:45.720I mean, I feel like we've all experienced this in our day-to-day lives with the weird competitive strain amongst some kids where they're not rooting for their friends.
00:48:55.440They, you know, if, if one friend gets a home run instead of cheering him on, the other teammate is like, put me in, I need to get a home run.
00:49:03.840You know, it's like, what, what's, this is a weird strain that we're seeing, um, in today's kids too often.
01:36:17.420And I talk about how the culture has changed.
01:36:19.880And the culture of the last 15 years has become a much more toxic culture, a culture of envy and disrespect.
01:36:26.900And this is why the burden on parents now is much greater.
01:36:30.980Because now they have to do much more.
01:36:34.040They have to do things that your parents never had to do.
01:36:36.900They have to provide a culture, which your parents didn't have to do.
01:36:41.240Your parents didn't have to be there for that.
01:36:43.680But now parents today have to do so much more.
01:36:46.240They have not only to provide a culture, they have to block out all the toxicity and harm of the bad toxic culture of the Disney Channel and of TikTok and Instagram.
01:36:58.140And they have to provide a good, healthy culture.
01:37:04.820Many parents are not even aware of all the bad things that the culture is doing.
01:37:09.320So, again, the mission of the book, the objective of the book, is to wake parents up to make them aware that, look, your TV is an agent of this really bad culture.
01:37:22.360And you don't have to turn off the TV, but block out the Disney Channel.
01:37:29.100You know, home and garden television, that's okay.
01:39:44.920Those are for families to reconnect with one another because those relationships are so critical to your child's wellness for reasons like this.
01:39:53.140So, speaking of the woke mind virus, part of what it does is teaches children to prioritize identity over everything, skin color or some alleged weird sexual proclivity or some alleged gender spectrum nonsense.
01:40:11.380But it also leans in to any weakness, illness, alleged mental defect.
01:40:22.960You know, I was saying not long ago, in today's day and age, your kid cannot get into a good college by writing,
01:40:29.180I came from a loving family where I was raised with great values and two present loving parents who were there for me to set boundaries.
01:40:35.940You've got to say you've got some some phobia, some issue.
01:40:40.280And there's a chapter in the book called what is it's about normophobia, normophobia.
01:42:00.480You got to have a and this is really something that is spread on American social media, on TikTok and Instagram.
01:42:06.840You got to talk about how you are anxious, how you're depressed or how you're struggling with your gender identity or how you're wrestling with being trans or or you're non-binary or whatever.
01:42:22.960Lewis wrote this book for kids, The Magician's Nephew.
01:42:25.920And he said that the problem about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed.
01:42:34.840And I substitute stupider for anxious or depressed.
01:42:37.420The trouble with trying to make yourself more anxious or more depressed than you really are is that you very often succeed.
01:42:42.780The whole point of cognitive behavioral therapy is that a big part of being anxious and depressed is that you're making yourself anxious and depressed.
01:42:51.200And as a psychologist and a family doctor, I can tell you a lot of these kids are making themselves anxious and depressed.
01:42:57.200They're talking themselves into being anxious and depressed.
01:43:00.020And again, we mentioned earlier that why is this not being seen in Greece and Russia?
01:43:06.700Well, I don't speak Greek or Russian, but I talk with people who do.
01:43:11.020And I can tell you, this is not a thing in Greece and Russia.
01:43:14.100Greek and Russian kids don't see anything cool about talking themselves into being anxious and depressed.
01:43:19.000This is a uniquely American English-speaking world weirdness.
01:43:23.380I just came from Canada where this is definitely a thing as well.
01:43:27.580And American parents need to understand how toxic and how weird this is.
01:43:32.560We need to teach our kids there's nothing cool about being anxious or depressed.
01:43:36.420And we need to disconnect our kids from the toxic culture that is spreading this, which is very much part of this woke mind virus thing.
01:43:43.900There's nothing cool about being anxious or depressed or lesbian or gay or bisexual or non-binary or trans.
01:44:37.720And then they're supposed to go off and do math.
01:44:39.240What do you make of this leaning into discussing your trauma in the school setting by some school psychologist who may or may not have any sort of abilities to do that kind of thing with a kid?
01:44:52.960So-called trauma-informed therapy, I think, does not have a place in a public school setting.
01:45:02.380And I don't mean a, I mean, in a setting where there's a bunch of kids around, the classroom should not be group therapy.
01:45:11.560The objective in the classroom, the first objective should be to teach the content, not to conduct informal group therapy with untrained therapists.
01:45:21.040So on that point, I agree with Abigail Schreier.
01:45:25.540Let's talk about, and forgive me, we covered this the last time, I don't remember.
01:45:28.920But, you know, my kids are getting into their teens now, so this is not yet relevant, but I'm sure will be relevant in the next, you know, five, seven years.
01:45:42.440I'm sure you'd see signs on your child if you're an attentive parent.
01:45:46.380At some point, you would see signs once your child starts drinking socially, if they start drinking socially, especially when they get more up into, like, senior year.
01:45:55.520College, you're not going to be able to control what happens at college.
01:46:00.620Because let me tell you, in my mom's circles, there are all sorts of opinions on, like, you're not going to stop it, like, walk them through, like, don't have more than one, don't have a mixed drink, you know, set some guardrails for them.
01:46:13.100Or there's moms who are like, absolutely not, don't, you know, it should be shamed, talk to them about the dangers of it, slippery slope, all that.
01:46:20.700Or moms who are like, eh, you know, we host parties and we actually let them have a couple of drinks.
02:00:59.920Now, if you subscribe to the Wall Street Journal, if you subscribe to the New York Times, if you listen to every program on national public radio, you heard no mention of this study conducted by the Stanford Medical School and published in one of our most prestigious scholarly journals.
02:01:17.120If you subscribe to my free newsletter, you would have heard about it.
02:01:20.640But our mainstream media, our mainstream media never mentioned it.
02:01:26.120So go to my website, www.nrss.com and sign up for my free newsletter.
02:01:29.920And how these parents, these parents lean in.
02:01:32.400And in that clip for the listening audience, the young boy posing as a girl is listening to the mother who's crying over the child's potential loss of access to these pills.
02:01:45.420And the child reaches up to comfort the mother.
02:01:48.180The child like touches the mother from down below, which is a reversal, right, of the way this is a 10-year-old kid.
02:01:55.260And I, you know, all I can think of is this, this meme, Charlie Kirk sent it out.
02:02:00.300I'm sure he may not have been the first, but it was, if your, if your child, if you think you're trans, you have a mental illness.
02:02:09.040If your child thinks he or she is trans, it's the mother who has the mental illness.
02:02:15.600It's the parents who have like, and I cannot help but notice over and over and over again, you see parents who are weirdly almost needy of this thing.
02:02:26.460Like they won't, you write about this in the book, they won't say that they're having a boy when the ultrasound shows the kid has XY chromosomes.
02:02:36.760You know, the baby, they're going to wait for the kid to tell them what they are.
02:02:40.960And then that leads me to one other video I wanted to show you because we showed it on the show or we were, we haven't yet, but it's disturbing.
02:02:47.280I can't remember whether we did or not, frankly, but anyway, it's a dad.
02:02:49.980And I normally wouldn't, I don't, I don't bring parents and children, you know, onto the show or show their videos ever.
02:02:57.720If they haven't put something out intentionally, I think if they want us to be talking about it, then I think it's fair game.
02:03:10.040And he has a boy who he's now raising as a girl named Edie.
02:03:15.200They have almost 4 million followers on TikTok.
02:03:19.620And all this dad does is update us with his boy looking more and more like a girl at a very young age.
02:03:27.120And it's a very almost sexualized looking exchange.
02:03:31.440And what they're doing to quote Edie is very reminiscent to me of what like JonBenet Ramsey looked like a sexualized child with the hair and the makeup.
02:03:47.900So Edie wants to do a summer holiday morning routine and show you a get ready with me and show you guys what her skincare is and her room is and how she creates her outfit and all that.
02:05:23.260And her colleague said, don't you think you should let the baby decide?
02:05:27.460And that is indeed a thing that her colleague reprimanded her, that, that, uh, the colleague thought you should wait and, and not assign, not assign a sex because there are indeed many Americans now who think that, uh, sex is assigned at birth and you should wait until the child is three or four years of age.
02:05:47.920And then let the child decide, give the child a gender neutral name at birth, birth, and then that the, that the child choose.
02:05:55.660And if the child was assigned male at birth, but they decide that they are female, then you should raise the child as a girl, uh, which leads them the road to castration and opposite sex hormones, et cetera.
02:06:09.000Uh, and I felt this is, this was necessary to introduce a new chapter that wasn't in the original version 10 years ago, the new chapter titled babies.
02:06:17.700Because this is really harmful and it is psychotic.
02:06:20.840It is utterly detached from reality and sex is not assigned at birth.
02:06:25.600Sex is recognized at birth because indeed you are born male or female.
02:06:32.300And those differences that the Stanford university group recognized in adults are present in the baby prior to birth.
02:06:40.160We have other studies of women in the third, third trimester where they've done high resolution MRI scans of the baby still in this mother's womb.
02:06:48.260And they find the same differences in the cognitivity of the male brain compared with the female brain, because Genesis 127 in the image of God, he created him male and female.
02:08:06.160Don't let it sell out from all the listeners who are now rushing to read more about Dr. Sachs' longitudinal cohort studies that are, that separate fact from fiction and feelings.
02:08:19.060Uh, and that, this is an area that's sorely in need of that.