The Megyn Kelly Show - April 22, 2022


Why CNN Plus Failed, DeSantis vs. Disney, and What Depp Trial Says About Marriage, with Steven Crowder ｜ Ep. 306


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1 hour and 34 minutes

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Steven Crowder joins me on the show to talk about why CNN Plus failed so badly, and why it s now the laughing stock of the media world. He also talks about how CNN became a laughing stock in the first place.

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00:00:00.000 When I found out my friend got a great deal
00:00:02.160 on a wool coat from Winners,
00:00:03.760 I started wondering,
00:00:05.440 is every fabulous item I see from Winners?
00:00:08.560 Like that woman over there with the designer jeans. 1.00
00:00:11.260 Are those from Winners?
00:00:12.780 Ooh, or those beautiful gold earrings.
00:00:15.260 Did she pay full price?
00:00:16.600 Or that leather tote?
00:00:17.600 Or that cashmere sweater?
00:00:18.500 Or those knee-high boots?
00:00:20.300 That dress?
00:00:21.080 That jacket?
00:00:21.740 Those shoes?
00:00:22.780 Is anyone paying full price for anything?
00:00:25.800 Stop wondering.
00:00:27.000 Start winning.
00:00:27.940 Winners.
00:00:28.520 Find fabulous for less.
00:00:30.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.
00:00:32.520 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.
00:00:41.820 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.
00:00:43.900 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.
00:00:47.240 We are going to have so much fun today.
00:00:48.560 I've got Steven Crowder here who I absolutely adore
00:00:51.220 and I'll be bringing him on in one minute.
00:00:54.700 But I want to start with why CNN Plus failed.
00:00:59.060 So badly.
00:01:00.840 The immediate colossal collapse of CNN Plus
00:01:05.120 is a debacle unlike any in American broadcasting history.
00:01:08.440 So how did the most trusted name in news
00:01:10.340 become the joke of the journalism world so quickly?
00:01:13.240 The truth is, it was over before it started.
00:01:16.340 I used to be a CNN fan, believe it or not.
00:01:19.680 I used to watch it at night while getting ready for the Kelly file on Fox News,
00:01:23.100 where our ratings trounced theirs so badly that I stopped looking at their numbers.
00:01:27.380 There was no competition.
00:01:28.320 It wasn't interesting.
00:01:29.320 The only interesting numbers were internal at Fox.
00:01:32.000 Did I beat Bill?
00:01:33.080 Did I beat Sean?
00:01:34.020 Did they beat me?
00:01:34.740 I never looked at CNN, never mind MSNBC, never.
00:01:37.940 But I liked their anchors and I felt like I was getting the straight skinny on most issues.
00:01:43.280 The show that preceded my own at Fox, The O'Reilly Factor, was an opinion show.
00:01:47.420 So I didn't really rely on that for straight news.
00:01:49.980 Plus, it was pre-taped.
00:01:50.920 So you'd never get breaking news on Bill's hour.
00:01:53.520 As much as I've had my beefs with Bill O'Reilly, he's an incredibly gifted broadcaster.
00:01:58.060 I would never take that away from him.
00:01:59.280 One of the very, very best.
00:02:01.140 And so it took a lot to draw my attention away from his hour.
00:02:04.600 But before my own show, I needed to stay on top of the breaking news.
00:02:08.280 And CNN was live.
00:02:09.620 And back then, pretty fair.
00:02:11.980 I watched that die before my very eyes.
00:02:14.740 Trump ended CNN.
00:02:17.220 First, Jeff Zucker saw dollar signs in his eyes when he saw the Trump pressers and rallies
00:02:22.660 that were entertaining, dynamic, unpredictable, and absolutely ratings gold.
00:02:29.480 We decided on my own show not to take those rallies, even though we would have benefited
00:02:34.060 from the ratings, too.
00:02:35.120 But we won without them.
00:02:36.720 But we decided not to take the rallies because we knew very well we would not do it for his
00:02:40.300 opponents.
00:02:40.960 And it wouldn't be fair to do it for him.
00:02:43.560 Zucker went a different route, taking each and every one to get some sort of number on
00:02:47.580 the board for his struggling anchors.
00:02:49.220 He didn't care about ethics.
00:02:51.220 He just wanted to win.
00:02:52.720 Then Trump won the presidency and took aim at Jeff Zucker and his coverage, which by then
00:03:00.220 had turned very nasty to Trump.
00:03:02.560 When he was a joke, he could be indulged.
00:03:04.580 When he was winning, he had to be destroyed.
00:03:07.620 And Jeff Zucker took it personally.
00:03:10.100 Many of the CNN anchors and staff felt it was their mission to take Trump down, that he
00:03:15.420 was a uniquely evil politician and covering him required a sacrifice of objectivity.
00:03:21.380 Or maybe they just convinced themselves that he was objectively terrible and there was no
00:03:26.420 other way to examine his presidency.
00:03:28.860 Either way, little by little, they killed their own reputation.
00:03:32.820 Night by night, as they mocked his voters, derided them all as racists over and over, misogynists
00:03:40.560 and bigots and misled the public on things like Russiagate without ever correcting themselves.
00:03:46.440 They telegraphed their hatred, not just for Trump, but for the right half of the country,
00:03:51.740 their smug superiority and the right half of the country.
00:03:55.120 And indeed, the center, many of whom wound up voting for Trump, heard that message loud
00:04:01.380 and clear.
00:04:02.620 Bad move.
00:04:04.300 I know a lot of Republicans who used to watch CNN.
00:04:07.560 Maybe Fox wasn't for them.
00:04:08.600 Maybe they thought Fox had gone too all in for Trump, but CNN became unwatchable.
00:04:15.520 It turned into MSNBC without the same intellectual honesty to admit its agenda.
00:04:21.260 They took hosts who had a certain kind of benign appeal and turned them into partisan hacks.
00:04:27.040 Boring and benign is one thing.
00:04:29.100 Biased and better than you is another. 0.89
00:04:32.100 No sane Republican or centrist viewer remained.
00:04:35.120 For a while, CNN enjoyed the same ratings boost that Trump brought everyone.
00:04:40.380 And then he lost.
00:04:41.720 And so did they.
00:04:43.260 They helped kill their own cash cow because in the end, ideology was more important to them.
00:04:47.980 And the stank they created in their own newsroom remained.
00:04:53.960 The public remembered and their ratings never recovered.
00:04:57.760 In the first quarter of 2022, CNN was third of the top three in cable news,
00:05:03.840 averaging less than 900,000 viewers in primetime, down 56% from 2021.
00:05:09.340 More recently, it's gotten even worse.
00:05:11.660 Their primetime average in April was less than 700,000.
00:05:16.320 I would have been fired so fast at Fox News if I had been averaging anything close to that.
00:05:22.180 In the overall number, we were averaging over 3 million.
00:05:26.660 They're under 700,000 in the overall.
00:05:29.440 That's the easy number to get.
00:05:30.660 And around 165,000 in the key demo of 25 to 50 or four-year-olds, which is the main number they care about,
00:05:37.840 because that's what they can base their advertising fees on.
00:05:41.340 165,000 in the key demo.
00:05:44.220 165,000 out of the 300 plus million people in America.
00:05:48.760 That's nothing.
00:05:49.420 That's embarrassing.
00:05:52.120 The daytime numbers, by the way, are even more dreadful.
00:05:54.640 This is five alarm fire stuff.
00:05:56.680 This is basement dregs.
00:05:58.260 This is too humiliating to show your face at industry cocktail party numbers.
00:06:03.080 And what did they decide to do?
00:06:05.580 Offer more CNN.
00:06:07.340 CNN plus.
00:06:08.780 That's what the people want.
00:06:10.140 More of what they're already not watching.
00:06:12.640 Only will charge them 60 bucks a year to watch it.
00:06:14.760 Is it any wonder no one tuned in?
00:06:19.560 But the biggest mistake CNN made was thinking their talent had the kind of relationships with its audience that Fox News does.
00:06:26.860 They looked at Fox Nation, the digital offshoot of Fox, and thought, we can do that.
00:06:31.540 More content from our anchors and hosts who share the same bias of our anchors, and surely the people will come.
00:06:37.900 In other words, the anchors will be on there doing other things than news,
00:06:41.060 and then we'll hire a bunch of people like Eva Longoria who have the same bias as our anchors. 1.00
00:06:44.920 And yes, the audience will come.
00:06:47.360 But CNN has never had the kind of fan devotion that Fox News has.
00:06:51.740 CNN divides its fans with MSNBC, ABC, NBC, and CBS.
00:06:56.180 Nobody's rabid about CNN.
00:06:58.220 It's just what's on or used to be at the airport.
00:07:01.460 And it's what we used to tune into on the big news events because they flood the field with resources.
00:07:07.660 They've been riding on the reputation built by guys like Bernard Shaw for years now.
00:07:13.440 Fox has diehard fans.
00:07:16.640 Conservative media in general has diehards because people are so grateful for something that is unlike the rest of it all.
00:07:25.700 A channel or now digital media offerings that pushes back against the open hatred for conservatives or anyone who's a bit right-leaning
00:07:36.040 and their ideals from homeschooling to abortion to gun rights to parental rights, free speech, small government, and all the rest of it.
00:07:43.860 Conservative media consumers feel a connection to their anchors of choice because they know that they don't look down on them or on this country.
00:07:53.100 And that creates a kind of loyalty CNN will simply never know.
00:07:57.320 So, no, their viewers did not want more Brian Stelter.
00:08:00.260 They did not want Rex Chapman, some guy who started off by co-opting cute dog videos on Twitter and then got very partisan.
00:08:06.560 And like so many of the CNN lineup, stayed in that extremely partisan lane.
00:08:12.080 They did not want parenting lessons from Anderson Cooper or a talk show from Don Lemon or Chris Wallace, who never pulled a number even on Fox.
00:08:19.280 Never mind on CNN Plus.
00:08:21.100 And the lesson here is not streamers are struggling.
00:08:26.760 The lesson here is go back to basics, CNN.
00:08:31.160 Try at least try to check your extreme bias or at a minimum own it and then balance it out with some kind of ideological diversity.
00:08:41.460 When I was in the primetime lineup of Fox, we had Hannity, a conservative, Greta, a Democrat, O'Reilly, a populist, and me, a rightly leaning independent.
00:08:50.720 You never knew what you were going to get in terms of opinion or where someone would go on an issue.
00:08:54.660 And it worked.
00:08:56.360 This is a moment for CNN to do some serious soul searching.
00:08:58.940 I don't expect any apologies for all the misleading they've done with their audience, but straight news coverage would be a delightful change.
00:09:08.320 The new management is suggesting that this is their goal.
00:09:11.900 They've got new ownership and new management.
00:09:14.060 Let's hope it happens.
00:09:15.540 Or CNN, the mothership, is headed for the very same result as its digital offshoot.
00:09:21.020 And a lot of people are going to be out of their jobs.
00:09:29.060 Back with me again for the full show and with reaction to my opening is the host of Louder with Crowder, my pal Stephen Crowder.
00:09:37.860 Stephen, originally you are of the cable news wars.
00:09:40.860 You were we were together at Fox News for some time there.
00:09:43.760 I don't know that CNN can ever get it back, but I certainly don't think the answer to its struggles that it's been facing post-Trump
00:09:50.120 was more of the shitty product that we'd been rejecting for years.
00:09:54.940 Well, thank you for.
00:09:56.560 Can we say shitty?
00:09:58.120 Oh, it's just weird hearing shitty come out of your mouth.
00:10:01.440 Speaking of which, that's why I have the shitty.
00:10:03.780 You're catching me between sketches here.
00:10:05.400 This kind of Joe Dirt look.
00:10:06.720 So it's not a new look for me.
00:10:08.020 And I'm incredibly self-conscious on air now that I see myself next to you.
00:10:12.100 So apologies.
00:10:14.180 Yeah.
00:10:14.660 You know, one thing I will say, Megan, is I just pray that they keep Brian Stelter.
00:10:20.120 No, no, I'm serious.
00:10:22.820 What would we do without him?
00:10:23.660 I'm dead serious.
00:10:24.520 Yeah, because I want him there.
00:10:25.800 I want Brian Stelter there.
00:10:26.880 I want to rather than have to, you know, present the leftist argument myself.
00:10:31.680 I never want to straw man anyone.
00:10:32.840 I just want to point.
00:10:33.800 I just want Brian Stelter to be there like a mascot.
00:10:36.200 The funniest thing to me that happened at CNN was, you know, they have this new CEO coming in.
00:10:41.860 And he said, we want to get back to news.
00:10:43.640 We want to get back to, you know, delivering the straight facts.
00:10:46.500 We've gotten too far into opinion.
00:10:47.920 And that was all he said.
00:10:49.640 And Brian Stelter, you know, you heard the rumblings everywhere it was reported, said,
00:10:52.840 oh, my God, I'm going to get fired.
00:10:56.820 Everything is in that reaction.
00:10:58.760 I mean, I'm hearing he might be getting pushed out.
00:11:03.380 I mean, I hope he does not.
00:11:04.880 I absolutely I'm serious.
00:11:06.180 I hope he does not.
00:11:06.940 We have had so much material.
00:11:08.400 I mean, once Chris Cuomo was gone, we lost like at least 15 percent of our of our sketches.
00:11:13.440 But you still have Don Lemon.
00:11:17.440 Well, see, yes, yes, we still have Don Lemon.
00:11:19.600 But there's such a so many, you know, victim statuses.
00:11:22.800 You know, there's a hierarchy in victim class. 0.95
00:11:25.040 And there's depending on the week.
00:11:25.980 If you're African-American, if you're gay and then they kind of jockey for position. 0.98
00:11:30.340 If you're trans, you know, in the LGBTQ, you kind of rearrange it like a conjunction junction sort of schoolhouse rock thing. 0.90
00:11:35.980 But so I have to be careful with Don Lemon because, you know, he's a gay black man and it's just anything I say can be, you know, it'll it'll somehow be a hate crime. 0.99
00:11:44.640 So which is literally what he said when Jeff Zucker got fired, he went in the air and was like, I just want to remind everybody that I'm a black gay man who Jeff Zucker put on the air.
00:11:53.980 It's like as you're thinking about firing people and the old boss is going, I just want to remind you in case you weren't aware that I'm black and I'm gay and I'm in the prime time.
00:12:01.160 Exactly. In case we've forgotten, at the same time, Brian Stelter wanted us to be reminded that he's super heterosexual.
00:12:07.400 Yeah, I it's like me going on the air and being like, I just want everyone to remember that I have lady parts. 0.63
00:12:12.280 I've got lady parts. Just FYI, in case you're wondering, I've got them. 1.00
00:12:16.040 Boy, you can get away with anything here on Sirius, Megan.
00:12:19.680 It's a whole new me, Steven.
00:12:21.560 It's a whole new you. I'm seeing a whole different side of you.
00:12:23.800 I will say, though, I didn't get started on cable news.
00:12:25.780 You know, I got started, you know, acting and stand up comedy, really, which sort of took me full circle doing.
00:12:32.760 I was not a child star. No, no, no.
00:12:34.640 I, you know, I did a voice on a PBS cartoon.
00:12:37.220 And the most embarrassing thing was I had to do a Kwanzaa rap on that show.
00:12:40.360 Arthur is one of the friends. And yeah, I was a kid and I knew that Kwanzaa was bullcrap.
00:12:45.680 I just did a little bit of research. I thought, well, this is an African holiday.
00:12:48.440 And I remember I was in the seventh grade.
00:12:50.000 I said, well, it was created by Ron Everett.
00:12:51.660 And I'm reading the court document. And he committed sex crimes.
00:12:55.080 This is what I have to talk about. And I brought up some producers.
00:12:57.480 I'm like, do we really want to be doing this?
00:12:59.260 Like, well, you have to because it's a multicultural Christmas special.
00:13:01.480 I said, OK, fine. But I didn't stand up and I was early and early adopter with YouTube.
00:13:06.360 And that sort of is what took me into Fox News.
00:13:08.680 And I will be the first to say it was not the world that I was supposed to be in.
00:13:12.860 It was a constant back and forth with the second floor.
00:13:15.560 And it was it was no one's fault there. I had no business being there.
00:13:19.080 It just sort of happened because I went on and had a few debates.
00:13:22.200 And then they scheduled me a regular debate segment with Bob Menendez is the senator's daughter.
00:13:28.120 And next thing I know, I'm on cable news just because I was the only sort of person with that point of view coming from my background.
00:13:33.760 And I got to tell you, you know, I was I became disenchanted with all of it.
00:13:37.620 And I know that you've talked about this.
00:13:40.000 There are some great people there. But, you know, peeking behind the curtain, not not everyone is is who they always appear to be.
00:13:46.800 And and for me, that was, you know, that was pretty disappointing because it was one thing I assumed that everyone was a piece of crap in the entertainment industry because I'd worked in it long enough.
00:13:53.900 And I kind of thought I went in wide eyed and maybe a little bit, you know, earnest with sort of the conservative media sphere.
00:14:02.680 And I mean, I think I think I think people I think people know what I'm what I'm saying without saying it.
00:14:08.540 Not not everyone is exactly how they appear.
00:14:10.140 You know, the news industry is different than the entertainment industry, but they're they have some similarities.
00:14:15.680 And I do think big egos and a general attraction to crazy personalities is a common theme.
00:14:24.960 Like there are a lot of lunatics drawn to both professions, people who are working something out, people who want to be famous as opposed to actually act or in the news business actually deliver the news.
00:14:34.560 And I remember when I was young at Fox, I don't know, I guess maybe I won't say who said this to me, but it was an older, distinguished gentleman there.
00:14:43.660 And he said, you know what I like about you?
00:14:45.920 You're not a silly girl.
00:14:47.320 There are a lot of silly girls running around Fox News and you're not one of them. 1.00
00:14:51.440 And here's the truth.
00:14:53.600 He's not wrong. 0.53
00:14:54.520 There are a lot of people in news in general who go because they want to see their faces on TV.
00:14:59.220 And that's really it.
00:15:00.020 Or in Hollywood, they're trying to work out some burning hole that their parents created in their bellies.
00:15:04.560 And they think that that industry is going to make it better.
00:15:07.480 And I think in both instances, it ends in ruination.
00:15:11.040 Yeah, no, I think that wasn't the direction I was expecting you to go when you said an older gentleman at Fox News said, you know what I like about you?
00:15:16.600 I thought we're still on Sirius.
00:15:17.640 She's going to go for it.
00:15:19.180 Yeah, no, you're right.
00:15:20.520 But I guess, you know, in the realm of, you know, comedy, which we've gotten back into me and Dave Landau since the pandemic.
00:15:26.080 So people can go check it out, the website.
00:15:28.060 One plug here, lotofcrow.com slash tour.
00:15:29.900 And they've all been sellouts.
00:15:30.920 We're incredibly grateful because there's a craving for this content.
00:15:33.620 But as a comedian versus, you know, being really sort of a conservative commentator, it would be fully expected for me to be, you know, hanging from a nice Windsor knot in my double tree.
00:15:44.080 I hate to wait.
00:15:45.280 Why did I just take a sip of water?
00:15:47.420 Hey, why?
00:15:48.400 What do you mean?
00:15:49.140 Why?
00:15:49.300 Well, I'm just saying people expect people expect comics to be nuts.
00:15:52.580 And it's it's it's a little bit true. 0.93
00:15:54.680 You know, it is.
00:15:55.260 I'm a little bit of an anomaly there and that I'm not someone who is, I think, cynical about everything.
00:16:00.700 But, you know, comedians in general.
00:16:03.100 And I think this is one thing that I always sort of, you know, with a lot of people in media.
00:16:08.480 And this is both both Fox News and MSNBC and not everybody.
00:16:12.020 I want to be clear.
00:16:12.720 But sort of the same thing you even see with Bill Maher.
00:16:15.360 It's you know, it's it's it's a day late and a dollar short where I'm always watching it going, OK, is there is there a little bit more?
00:16:22.220 You know, is there are you going to give me some insight here or are you going to give me maybe some additional resources?
00:16:27.540 I mean, that's why with with our show, I don't know of any other show where we basically post a bibliography every single show.
00:16:33.420 It's two hours live and it goes on the Web site and you can check every single link and every single I am the person who does.
00:16:39.740 I actually click on them and they're legit and they take me to good places.
00:16:43.760 Well, thank you.
00:16:44.480 I appreciate if you notice, too, unless it's an exclusive story from a conservative site, we almost always try and use PubMed.
00:16:49.700 We almost always try and use an objective source or a left leaning source if we can, just because I think it stems from the fact that I was I was raised in a socialist, effectively a socialist province of Quebec.
00:17:01.140 People who are Canadian out there know what I'm talking about.
00:17:04.280 And I was forced to defend my views.
00:17:05.940 And so I was always looking for resources and they weren't readily available to me in French Canada.
00:17:11.880 You know, you have you have liberals and then you have liberal separatists, basically.
00:17:14.780 So coming to the United States and seeing people in conservative media, I always sort of wanted someone to provide what it was that I was looking for.
00:17:21.680 And this is the only way I know how to do it.
00:17:23.660 And I think that's probably what you're seeing with CNN.
00:17:25.620 You know, you really only know how to be successful at whatever it is that made you successful.
00:17:32.480 I mean, this is why you'll see some some great, great athletes who don't make great coaches.
00:17:36.980 You know, I mean, because you can't teach it.
00:17:39.340 You can't teach a God given, you know, 40 inch vertical or whatever it is, depending on which athlete that we're discussing.
00:17:45.620 And you'll see some people who are sort of middle of the road athletes who worked really hard, become great coaches.
00:17:50.220 But generally, if you're successful at something, you sort of try and copy paste that right with someone else.
00:17:55.860 And with CNN, in that case, you know, I think they said with CNN Plus, hope you like more crap.
00:18:03.620 That's the problem, right, is it's like I didn't even know about a lot of the stuff they were putting out.
00:18:07.860 Eva Longoria had a show over there who like and apparently they were launching it with reruns of Anthony Bourdain's show. 0.99
00:18:14.000 And I mean, when you are launching a new product with the shows of a guy who's been dead for several years, you know, you're in trouble.
00:18:19.720 Like that you may be wanting for content.
00:18:23.520 And look, my favorite person at CNN is Jake Tapper.
00:18:26.540 I like him.
00:18:26.980 I think he's a good man.
00:18:27.860 I think he tries his best to be fair.
00:18:30.040 I realize he wasn't a fan.
00:18:31.600 He wasn't a fan of Donald Trump.
00:18:33.820 I get that.
00:18:34.800 Nobody there was.
00:18:35.540 But of the CNNers, I think by far he was the most fair guy.
00:18:39.080 I feel bad for guys like that.
00:18:40.680 I feel bad that he has to go to work every day and used to have to be next to somebody like a Chris Cuomo or now a Don Lemon.
00:18:46.040 It's like, what do you do?
00:18:47.160 Because when he signed up to go to CNN, he and others like him, they're thinking they're going to the most trusted name in news.
00:18:51.940 No one was watching CNN even back then.
00:18:54.160 But at least you had sort of reputation to fall back on.
00:18:56.940 You know, it's like, well, we do the news and we do it straight.
00:18:58.880 And it may not be the sexiest thing ever, but it's, you know, it's solid.
00:19:02.260 And now now it's like they got surrounded by MSNBC without knowingly joining MSNBC.
00:19:08.800 Yeah, I think that's the issue.
00:19:11.320 Look, I've always and I've said this going back to 2008 or 2009, which is when I think, you know, Fox News sort of first discovered me online.
00:19:20.040 One of the first pieces of content that I put out there was I said, I don't care if you're left.
00:19:22.980 I don't care if you're right.
00:19:23.900 Just don't lie to me.
00:19:24.960 I have no problem with MSNBC.
00:19:27.620 I'm going to have a problem with their points of view.
00:19:29.220 I have a problem with the ideas that you hear espouse at MSNBC.
00:19:32.140 But I have no problem with someone letting their freak flag fly saying, hey, we're basically Marxists.
00:19:37.020 Great. Got it.
00:19:37.700 I have no problem with people at Fox News or people on AM radio.
00:19:41.540 I'm very open about my biases.
00:19:43.520 I've never tried to hide from them.
00:19:45.460 I don't believe that anybody truly can be unbiased.
00:19:49.000 What to me, the unforgivable sin is lying to me about it.
00:19:54.080 And CNN is consistently lying because they think that they are actual my God journalists.
00:19:59.380 I mean, when you see, and I use him as an example, but Brian Stelter really, really wants to keep that facade alive.
00:20:07.160 And the only way that these people can really survive and what's most disturbing to me, Megan, is sure.
00:20:12.840 OK, it's a great story.
00:20:13.560 CNN plus failed.
00:20:14.300 We kind of all knew that.
00:20:15.140 And if you want to get into the business aspects of that, you know, I've sort of made this this this work before pay content really was working.
00:20:23.980 And we have an unbelievable viewership and just a support base entirely in the demo.
00:20:30.060 So I'm grateful.
00:20:30.760 But what I do think is important to note is I see I see them sort of circling the wagons and their only game plan is ingratiating themselves to those in power.
00:20:40.760 So you have legacy media.
00:20:41.860 You just mentioned sort of ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN.
00:20:44.960 And then you have what at one point was considered new media.
00:20:47.400 Now we use the term big tech.
00:20:48.400 But it's really only five companies when you're talking about it.
00:20:50.500 It's Alphabet.
00:20:51.220 Right.
00:20:51.380 They run Google, YouTube, and then you have Facebook, which is also Instagram, Twitter.
00:20:54.740 You can add Amazon and Apple in there because of the app store and the platform.
00:20:58.040 But these people control ninety nine percent of the distribution of information.
00:21:03.340 And then there are really four four multimedia conglomerates.
00:21:07.120 When you're talking like ABC, Disney, NBC, Universal.
00:21:09.720 Right.
00:21:09.940 You have Viacom, Time Warner.
00:21:12.380 And what you see is this unholy alliance of of legacy media, knowing that they are going to die.
00:21:18.000 And so what happens?
00:21:18.960 You have YouTube start changing their algorithms.
00:21:21.100 They're not saying, well, hey, we're censoring content, but they have fact checking that removes one point of view.
00:21:25.380 We all know that.
00:21:26.020 But let's go a little bit deeper.
00:21:27.480 They no longer really have genuinely trending pieces of content because that's where independent content creators just blew people like CNN away.
00:21:34.840 So they decide to curate that.
00:21:36.700 And then they decide, you know what?
00:21:37.560 We'll also create an algorithm that favors regular uploading.
00:21:40.100 Well, once upon a time, independent content creators.
00:21:42.340 Right.
00:21:42.420 If you only have an editor or two, which is most programs on YouTube or sort of big new media, I'll use that term, big tech, new media interchangeably.
00:21:50.600 Well, you're lucky if you upload once a week or twice a week.
00:21:53.540 Then YouTube says, no, no, every day.
00:21:55.120 They say our algorithm is going to favor uploading two, three, four times a day.
00:21:58.420 Well, the only people are left are the people who spend the big advertising dollars with them.
00:22:02.060 And that's the four or five multimedia conglomerates who are dumping money into four or five big tech companies.
00:22:09.660 And by the way, they all are on speed dial with this administration, with the White House.
00:22:14.480 And you see it no more clearly than I don't know.
00:22:17.120 I mean, you probably haven't.
00:22:17.940 Nobody does.
00:22:18.580 But Brian Stelter, his show.
00:22:20.280 I don't know if you've seen his sort of I mean, it's not even a chyron, but he has a rotating sort of background.
00:22:25.240 It just for no reason shows the Facebook icon, the Twitter icon, the YouTube icon.
00:22:33.480 It's not plugging his Facebook or YouTube or Twitter.
00:22:35.660 Really?
00:22:36.240 It's just it's just showing it all show long.
00:22:39.860 And it's it's it's like begging, please kill me last.
00:22:43.100 Please look, see, I'll do what you want.
00:22:46.040 It's like a bat signal for a coward to the most powerful companies.
00:22:49.240 And no one talks about it.
00:22:50.700 And I watch it and I get chills down my spine because I know exactly what's happening.
00:22:54.240 Well, he's also like, you know, they call him the hall monitor and he is sort of like the hall monitor in the school who annoyed everybody who's kissing the teachers butts.
00:23:02.320 Right.
00:23:02.540 And the teachers in this case would be big tech.
00:23:04.860 And he's in there kissing and kissing away and trying to shame the rest of us into doing journalism the way Brian Stelter would like it done, even though Brian Stelter has never been a journalist.
00:23:13.260 He's like he's never done anything other than sit there monitoring the hall.
00:23:16.760 That's it.
00:23:17.200 And we're supposed to explain to me something, Megan.
00:23:19.460 I had to ask you a question, but I have my suspicions.
00:23:23.700 Brian and I use the reason why I want him still on air and I don't want a single amount.
00:23:28.180 I don't want people to say this is bullying.
00:23:29.300 This is a public figure.
00:23:31.040 Brian Stelter, I have searched high and low.
00:23:34.200 I cannot find any really, honestly, legitimate, any fathomable reason for this man to be on air.
00:23:41.700 I tried to look into his background that, you know, some people tried to claim that he ran a blog that was like the Perez Hilton of the political world.
00:23:47.420 Not really.
00:23:48.260 I went through Time Machine.
00:23:49.220 There wasn't a whole lot there.
00:23:50.760 It wasn't.
00:23:51.220 Didn't he start TV Newser?
00:23:52.760 Steve Krakar is my executive producer and he's of this world.
00:23:55.140 He should know.
00:23:55.840 Yeah.
00:23:56.020 Hold on.
00:23:56.780 Started TV Newser.
00:23:58.420 OK.
00:24:00.080 Which was a moderately New York Times for a year.
00:24:02.660 And then and now he's never done anything, really.
00:24:04.880 I mean, honestly, all he did was blog about journalists.
00:24:08.440 Exactly.
00:24:08.860 That's all he did.
00:24:09.560 And then he's consistently been abysmal in the ratings.
00:24:13.680 Right.
00:24:13.840 And by the way, you're seeing new and improved Brian Stelter.
00:24:16.500 If you look at a picture when he was younger, it's I'm sorry.
00:24:19.380 But Megyn Kelly, I think, you know, that as a fetching lady that does that does bode well when it comes to on air content. 1.00
00:24:26.580 Right.
00:24:26.980 It's an uphill battle.
00:24:28.680 Fetching.
00:24:29.160 Yes.
00:24:29.560 You're on.
00:24:30.240 You can be on serious, but I'll still be, you know, old network television.
00:24:33.940 But Brian Stelter, you're seeing new and improved Brian Stelter.
00:24:37.640 This is more attractive, Brian Stelter, than when he got that deal.
00:24:40.160 And he's only consistently had bad ratings.
00:24:42.400 Does he have dirt on somebody in the industry?
00:24:45.740 Well, for a while, I thought that one of the reasons Jeff Zucker was there is, you know, like I looked at Chris Cuomo and these other people and I thought, what's happening?
00:24:52.420 Why is Jeff Zucker not firing any of these people?
00:24:54.300 Why did why does Jeffrey Toobin still have a job?
00:24:56.440 Don Lemon, all these guys embroiled in these very ugly scandals.
00:25:01.000 And now we know.
00:25:02.260 Right.
00:25:02.500 And I said, so they've got something on Jeff Zucker.
00:25:05.420 They've got something.
00:25:06.100 There's no reason he wouldn't be getting rid of Jeffrey Toobin for masturbating publicly in a Zoom call for The New Yorker.
00:25:12.440 And, you know, as it turns out, yeah, they they did.
00:25:15.280 They did.
00:25:15.980 It's just so sad.
00:25:17.460 It's just so Jeffrey Toobin thing is just I didn't even want to make.
00:25:20.320 It's just so sad.
00:25:21.160 A guy who can't control himself, not only can't control himself for the length of one Zoom call, but doesn't have the forethought to use a sticky note for crying out loud.
00:25:29.880 Mute your mic and put on a sticky note.
00:25:31.560 And they brought him back.
00:25:32.660 They brought him back.
00:25:33.420 And then they blame you.
00:25:34.880 They blame you, the American viewer, for sowing mistrust in our institutions.
00:25:39.140 The institution of the guy spanking it on a Zoom call.
00:25:42.000 And then you bring him back as your legal correspondent.
00:25:44.460 This whole institution deserves to be burned to the ground.
00:25:48.300 It's so true. 0.84
00:25:49.660 Wait.
00:25:49.980 So that reminds me of what Barack Obama just said.
00:25:53.760 Hold on.
00:25:53.960 My team sent this to me.
00:25:54.800 I don't know if this is a soundbite.
00:25:55.860 All we see is a constant feed of content where useful, factual information and happy diversions and cat videos flow alongside.
00:26:03.880 This is the party doesn't like lies, conspiracy theories, junk science, quackery, white supremacists, racist tracks, misogynistic screeds.
00:26:12.960 And over time, we lose our capacity to distinguish between the two.
00:26:16.640 I'm looking at this.
00:26:18.100 OK, lies, conspiracy theories.
00:26:20.360 You mean like lies, lies?
00:26:22.080 Not not not not.
00:26:22.900 Let me let me finish lies, conspiracies.
00:26:25.080 And factual misinformation.
00:26:27.860 Don't don't don't get all we we'd up.
00:26:29.660 There you go.
00:26:30.300 How about that?
00:26:31.060 You made up a term.
00:26:32.140 Remember when he said we we'd up in the media?
00:26:33.700 Oh, yeah, we've all heard we beat up.
00:26:35.400 It's like y'all.
00:26:36.100 No, it's not.
00:26:36.960 No, it's not.
00:26:37.720 It's not a thing.
00:26:38.900 So he is the walking.
00:26:40.720 By the way, do you think he really buys this?
00:26:42.880 Like, I feel like he has to go more work than he actually is.
00:26:46.500 No, he's not woke.
00:26:47.820 I don't think he is.
00:26:48.500 But I do believe he believes in like when he says junk science and quackery.
00:26:52.280 That's yeah, that's his side.
00:26:54.160 That's his side.
00:26:54.860 That's that's people like Rochelle Walensky and Anthony Fauci telling us the masks work.
00:27:00.140 Oh, wait, they don't work.
00:27:01.240 Get them out.
00:27:01.600 Don't get the mask.
00:27:02.640 Oh, the vaccine is going to prevent you from getting covid.
00:27:04.800 Oh, wait.
00:27:05.240 No, it doesn't.
00:27:06.320 Like talk about quackery.
00:27:08.040 Right.
00:27:08.280 It's like, sure, I'm all in favor of cracking down on quackery and junk science, but I don't
00:27:12.660 think we have the same definition of what needs to go.
00:27:15.600 No, I think you're absolutely right.
00:27:16.860 And when we have something now, you know, for a while, the left would try and sort of
00:27:20.460 sidestep legitimate science and they would do this appeal to authority fallacy, sort of
00:27:25.380 like you're seeing.
00:27:25.780 You know, like, are you a biologist?
00:27:27.100 Which is ridiculous.
00:27:28.480 But now they just have decided to lean into it.
00:27:31.180 For example, they used to try and separate sex and gender.
00:27:34.120 That's not that's that's a that's a bullshit argument.
00:27:36.360 Just so people know, modern gender three separating it from sex. 1.00
00:27:39.720 Gender was really more of a grammatical term of someone who speaks French.
00:27:42.280 All the romance languages.
00:27:43.380 Right.
00:27:43.480 You have gendered nouns.
00:27:44.900 Gender and sex were interchangeable.
00:27:45.960 But they tried to say sex is biological.
00:27:48.100 Gender is a social construct.
00:27:49.240 OK, fine.
00:27:49.960 That could no longer apply because they didn't call Rachel Levine the first four star woman.
00:27:56.540 They said first four star female general. 1.00
00:28:00.100 Now, when you're looking at Leah Thomas, look, sports are not separated by social constructs 0.70
00:28:04.760 for the same reason that you have high school and college wrestling meets that are separated
00:28:08.540 by weight class.
00:28:09.420 It's not a social construct.
00:28:10.900 It's the scale.
00:28:11.600 Well, sports have been separated by biology.
00:28:14.320 They have been separated by sex.
00:28:16.560 And now they're saying, well, no, you can be whatever sex you want.
00:28:19.560 So they're just leaning into what only five years ago they would have claimed was anti-scientific,
00:28:25.320 but they still wanted to accuse you of being a bigot.
00:28:27.380 So this is one of those things where it's it's it's not even close.
00:28:32.500 You know, they want to say anti-science with conservatives because you just don't believe that the
00:28:37.300 Kyoto Protocol, which is now the Paris Accord, will actually stop the world from, you know, warming
00:28:43.420 one point six degrees the next century or God forbid, AOC's five page Green New Deal taking over two thirds
00:28:49.640 of the economy would do that.
00:28:50.600 They want to claim that you're anti-science.
00:28:51.900 If you don't believe that, if you don't make that logical leap, but no accountability when they say
00:28:56.940 there is no male or female, which they used to say four years ago, as well as male and female are separate
00:29:03.000 for man and woman. Not anymore. Sex and gender are the same. You can see it in sports and you can see 0.99
00:29:08.380 it with how they labeled Rachel that, you know, the the Dee Snider lookalike. I'm Rachel.
00:29:15.240 Rachel. Oh, no. By the way, the nerve of Barack Obama trying to lecture us on lies and how pernicious
00:29:23.640 they are. The guy who if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor,
00:29:27.240 you can keep your doctor, which we later found out he knew at the time he was repeating it over and
00:29:31.720 over was false. He knew for years. I didn't call it a lie for years. I said he claimed this. It
00:29:36.640 turned out not to be true. That's as far as I would go. Then there was a long report about how
00:29:40.580 he knew all along you were not going to be able to keep your doctor or your plan. And you just lied
00:29:44.500 to try to get this very controversial Obamacare through, which didn't have the support of the
00:29:48.820 majority of the people. And for the first time in history, he shoved an entitlement down our throats
00:29:52.900 that did not have majority support. And now he wants to lecture us on lies. Thanks, but no.
00:29:58.420 All right, Stephen Crowder, we've got to talk about Amber Heard and Johnny Depp because you've
00:30:02.860 been doing such interesting coverage on this. Why Stephen says this is an important case for men's
00:30:08.900 rights right after this very quick break. Don't go away. Love Stephen Crowder. More with him in a
00:30:13.820 second. All right, Stephen. So you've been following the Amber Heard Johnny Depp trial. He is suing her
00:30:24.440 for defamation. We did an in-depth report on this last week or the week that the trial opened.
00:30:30.680 And I found it really interesting. OK, so he's claiming she defamed him because in a Washington
00:30:34.720 Post op-ed, she talked about herself as an abused woman and how she faced the wrath of the country
00:30:41.220 when she came out as an abused woman. It was a very clear reference to Johnny Depp, even though she
00:30:45.500 didn't mention him. They were married for a short time. It was completely tumultuous before,
00:30:50.880 during and now after. And I would love to hear your take. My take so far on this is she claims
00:30:57.060 he abused her. She does have good evidence that he hit her at least once. And the evidence is
00:31:05.580 overwhelming that she hit him and abused him all the time. So like you could make a case on his side
00:31:12.820 that he was wrongly defamed because she painted herself as like a traditionally abused woman who's
00:31:19.700 just like, you know, I have no power. And meanwhile, the evidence so far has been
00:31:22.940 pretty overwhelming that she was extremely physically aggressive toward him in a disturbing
00:31:27.460 way. Yeah, well, I would actually like to hear what it is that that you think is super. And I don't
00:31:32.600 mean this in a derogatory way. I haven't seen anything convincing that he hit her. I've seen sort
00:31:37.520 of circumstantial evidence a little bit. The therapist says so. The therapist says that he he
00:31:43.100 committed violence against her and the therapist was his witness. Right. OK, so there's so the
00:31:47.600 therapist's witness. But the therapist, I guess, also said that is it the therapist or the physician
00:31:51.720 who said that she hit him and that she admitted to him? It's the therapist, the counselor. You know,
00:31:57.020 they saw it. Is it the counselor? Marriage counseling before they got married. It's never
00:32:01.700 a good sign. OK, but they did. And she's but she said it was mutual abuse. She said Depp may have
00:32:07.940 initiated it on occasions that I'm less sure on. But when asked if there was violence from Depp toward
00:32:14.280 Amber Heard, she said yes. So but I mean, look, she was there because she could testify to the
00:32:19.240 violence that Amber perpetrated on Johnny Depp. So my own feeling is, OK, I guess she did get.
00:32:24.740 But how does some sort of what I'm remembering is how did the therapist know that the therapist was
00:32:28.980 a therapist? They sat there and admitted it. Well, they sat there and admitted it.
00:32:32.680 That's my problem. That's my problem is you get men very often. This does happen and it's very common.
00:32:37.780 You know, I mean, there's a whole there's a whole special on on on wrongful confessions,
00:32:41.400 right on false confessions. You get people who are mentally abused. You get people you're just
00:32:45.280 talking about a few hours of interrogation and they'll fess up the things that they didn't do.
00:32:48.500 Now, the difference is on tape admitting you're going to make me like defend her. And I don't
00:32:52.360 really want to be in that. No, no, no, no. I'm not going to do it. But what I'm saying.
00:32:55.440 But no, no, he is on tape saying that he denies that it was a headbutt, but he's on tape
00:33:00.740 admitting that he he claims in an effort to stop her from hitting him. He he did something just short
00:33:05.640 of a headbutt. Yeah, I don't think no, no. He was talking about restraining her. That's what we're
00:33:09.720 talking about. Yeah, that's very that's very different from her punching him in the face. 0.54
00:33:13.060 So that's what I'm saying. If that's the only proof that we have, that's not the same as
00:33:16.060 being an aggressor. And, you know, Jordan, a few things to sort of get into here. And I
00:33:20.400 know people use the term men's rights. I mean, you know, rights are rights. But in this case,
00:33:24.520 look, I have a lot of young men who watch this show and what I genuinely struggle with as a
00:33:29.680 Christian who really does believe and advocate the institution of marriage when I'm referring what I'm
00:33:34.440 really referring to. And I've sort of had to decouple this is the biblical sort of,
00:33:38.420 you know, definition of marriage versus the state getting in and screwing up because it's a contract
00:33:43.560 right now that doesn't make sense for a young man to make. And that's why you're seeing fewer and
00:33:48.760 fewer young men wanting to get married. So in certain states, someone like an Amber Heard
00:33:52.980 could have never worked, could leave cheat on someone like a Johnny Depp and take half. Now,
00:33:59.220 I will say I don't believe that restraining a woman who was violent from what I had heard on
00:34:03.340 these tapes where that's where she put nail polish and faked like he broke her nose. 0.82
00:34:06.300 I don't think that's the same as her admitting to him unbeknownst to her that she's being recorded
00:34:11.860 that she punched him. And here's the thing to a woman who behaves that way. And I mean, 1.00
00:34:16.320 by behave that way, I mean, go, Oh, okay. So I punched you. I hit you like that. I didn't punch
00:34:21.920 you because I was too busy hitting you go to the world and tell them, see who they believe.
00:34:25.940 That's that doesn't appear to be a woman who's afraid of being abused. A woman who takes, 1.00
00:34:30.120 pardon me. Well, use Johnny Depp's. You know, I noticed that there was, there was a poop on my
00:34:35.540 bed. You know, he's sitting there like, he tries, it's just, he said, well, she had made her grumpy
00:34:40.240 on the bed. I realized it was, you know, I thought there was a mint. It was mostly poop. And you're
00:34:44.880 just sitting there like, this is not a woman who's afraid. And people, she said it was a prank.
00:34:47.800 Let's look at context. Yeah. Prank is something you pull on your friends. Even then I've never once
00:34:51.660 my friends be like, Hey, this is funny, but that's not how you do it. It's gross. It's, it's,
00:34:56.100 it's way over the line. It was the Yorkie Steven. It was the Yorkie. That's her. It was not the
00:35:00.780 Yorkie. That's yeah. Right. But no, she admitted at one point she did admit on the record at one
00:35:05.140 point, it was either her or one of her friends. She said it was a prank. Okay. You pull a prank
00:35:09.360 on somebody who's, I don't know the exact timeline. Mother is very sick about to die or just died. 0.87
00:35:15.060 You pull a prank on someone who you just left. You pull a prank on someone who you just mentally 0.50
00:35:19.480 abuse. No, that's not when you pull a prank. You only pull a prank with someone you love. It's like
00:35:23.060 comics, roasting people. You don't roast people who you actually hate. So if you look at the context
00:35:27.820 time and time again, best case scenario, best case scenario, you're talking about a mutually,
00:35:33.640 you know, a tumultuous relationship. Most likely scenario is a woman who was absolutely mentally 0.99
00:35:39.500 and emotionally abusive and very likely continually physically abusive toward Johnny Depp. And I just,
00:35:47.240 again, I don't see a lot of evidence that he was physically. I don't disagree with that.
00:35:50.920 And I do think that there is reason for him to be very angry that she went into the Washington Post
00:35:57.220 and portrayed herself as just this victim when this story is a lot more complex. I mean, look,
00:36:03.840 reading his texts about her, what he wanted to do to her dead corpse. And like, of course,
00:36:07.860 I have no use for him. I am no longer a Johnny Depp fan. I was never like a huge fan, but I'm like,
00:36:13.060 I have no use for him. And the guy's got such massive substance abuse problems. I mean,
00:36:17.060 like, yeah, they're, they're drug infused wedding. And she does too. I have no use for either one of
00:36:21.980 them, but she wrongfully portrayed the scenario as though she was just his domestic violence victim
00:36:28.640 and, and an innocent one at that. And that is not true, but it's not true. First off, you know,
00:36:34.960 it's, let me give you two things, two for me, most important takeaways. And I'm, I really do hope
00:36:40.600 people take, especially the women watching, take this to heart because this is why men won't marry you 0.71
00:36:44.400 women out there now. And women are wondering where all the, no, they're not, they won't get 1.00
00:36:47.640 married. And, uh, the reason for it is a couple. Uh, first off, um, this is why men don't get help.
00:36:55.140 We need to change it where everyone comes out after a mass shooting and they say, Oh, mental health.
00:36:58.580 This is why men do not get help. And most men won't go to marital therapy because it can be put 0.82
00:37:04.180 on display for the entire world to see. Let's assume that nothing even happened physically violent
00:37:08.540 between them, but a woman just wanted more money. Guess what? They can demand your medical records. 1.00
00:37:13.420 All of a sudden that we all know that the civil, the civil court, particularly as it deals with
00:37:16.700 divorce and especially if you're now fighting for child custody, all that goes out the window,
00:37:20.480 no more privacy. So men will not get help. Men watching this who may be struggling with some
00:37:24.780 kind of a mental health issue go, Nope, they have a substance abuse issue. They go, no, I'm not going
00:37:28.900 to, I'm not going to have that used against me. What if this broad leaves and takes half? 0.59
00:37:32.020 That's also a problem that we have. This is the only contract that I know of in this country right
00:37:37.740 now that exists with no fault divorce dates, which really means it's the fault of the primary
00:37:41.980 provider. Sometimes that's a woman more often than not. It's a man. Uh, it, uh, it's the only 0.87
00:37:47.800 contract that I know of where one side is financially incentivized to break it. In other words, today,
00:37:54.220 if you're a woman or you're a man, but it's, it's rare, it's an uphill battle, even in no fault states
00:37:59.160 as, as, as a man to sort of get the, the, the alimony settlement, but it does happen. So I'm speaking
00:38:02.860 in generalities here. So people understand, but if you're a woman, let's say who comes from meager 1.00
00:38:07.500 means, uh, let's sort of separate Amber Heard and Johnny Depp for a bit. If you're a woman who
00:38:11.540 comes from meager means and, uh, you want to get wealthy, you've never worked, you didn't get a
00:38:15.980 degree, you have no skillset, but you're good looking. Your best path to victory is to simply
00:38:20.780 marry a man, leave him and take half. It's a legal guarantee. Now we all like to say that doesn't 0.98
00:38:26.780 happen because of love, but we know that's easy to face and we see it. Of course that absolutely does
00:38:32.880 happen. I mean, I'd be lying if I said, I didn't see that happen in many times over. And there are
00:38:38.680 a lot of women who are out there just to get their so-called MRS degree, right? It's like they're at 1.00
00:38:42.520 college cause they want to catch a husband or they just want to get married to a rich guy who's going
00:38:45.540 to take care of them. I say, if you're a young woman who just wants to get married to a rich guy 1.00
00:38:48.920 to take care of you, you go for it, sister, just be, just own it. You know, like if you, if that's
00:38:53.900 how you want to live your life and you don't are, you're not attracted to working professionally,
00:38:56.660 you just sort of want to be taken care of. Okay, that's fine. You don't have to be ashamed of that.
00:39:00.860 You just have to put your cards on the table. And there are a lot of men who want somebody like
00:39:04.340 that. You know, there's like, typically it's a guy who would be a little less good, good looking.
00:39:07.780 And it's like a trade-off. Okay. I'll get the beautiful woman. And now those don't work out.
00:39:11.300 We all know that, but maybe you get a few good years out of it. Maybe the girl gets a financial 0.99
00:39:14.740 settlement out of it. Maybe the guy, I don't know, he gets beautiful children. I have no idea how these
00:39:18.620 people make their decisions, but it's not for me to judge. What I don't like is a, when, you know,
00:39:24.280 entire classes of women are painted with that brush, right? When it's, that's not fair. And then B, 1.00
00:39:30.160 when the woman's unfairly painted as a gold digger, when you totally know the guy knew his 1.00
00:39:34.820 gold was being dug and was a willing participant in the exercise. Yeah, no, I think you're right.
00:39:40.020 But I think the first part that you mentioned there, I agree. Okay. Leave your cards on the
00:39:43.780 table. Don't throw a fit. If the man proposes a prenup, look, if both of you are working
00:39:47.240 professionals, a prenup shouldn't be a problem for either. When people say a prenup, this is what
00:39:50.840 you often hear a prenup. You're expecting the marriage to fail. Well, it goes both ways. If you don't
00:39:53.700 want to sign a prenup, that means that you're expecting to leave and take half. So I think we need to
00:39:56.940 reform divorce laws in this country. I think we need to reinforce some kind of privacy rules because
00:40:01.580 that's a huge problem, not just with Johnny Depp and Amber Heard, but you're seeing this with social
00:40:05.920 media now. And I'm telling you, I have lots of men who say like, look, I think I love this woman, 0.97
00:40:11.080 but I'm scared because this happened to my dad or this happened to my friend. And I'll never go to
00:40:14.940 marital therapy because God forbid it ever be used. It ever be used against me. I mean, Johnny Depp does
00:40:18.980 look. I was not a Johnny Depp fan. I'm sort of the opposite of you where I always thought he was sort
00:40:23.140 of a one one trick pony. Like every single character becomes a creepy gay character. It's 1.00
00:40:27.040 like Barbara, creepy gay, Barbara, Willy Wonka, creepy gay, Willy Wonka, pirate, creepy gay pirate. 0.83
00:40:30.380 Oh my God. Did he make Wonka gay? I refuse to see the sequel, the redo because I love the original 1.00
00:40:34.900 so much. I mean, in the way that Johnny Depp does, you know, sort of like he fakes his, he's from
00:40:39.680 Kentucky and he has like a hybrid, you know, Cockney sort of Southern act. It's like, where does this
00:40:43.960 come from? But my heart started going out to him when I listened to the audio. And I know that he sent
00:40:49.560 these awful texts, but this is also something that I think that, that, uh, women, you know, 1.00
00:40:55.320 would do well to understand with men. Jordan Peterson talks about this. We don't always know.
00:40:59.680 A lot of men don't know how to deal with a continually aggressive woman. Right. And like 1.00
00:41:06.640 Bill Burr told a joke about it. It's funny. He's like, people say there's never a reason to hit a
00:41:09.920 woman. I can think of like 19 off the top of my head. You just don't do it. Right. That's,
00:41:14.400 that's his joke, but it's true because guess what? If one of my buddies here poops on my pillow,
00:41:19.560 we're fighting. A lot of people don't know that we're fighting because there is a level of
00:41:23.980 accountability with men where you use your words, you know where that line is. And that is how we
00:41:28.640 deal with each other. Now, when that is removed and a woman can be continually aggressive, a woman 1.00
00:41:32.820 can be physically aggressive. Like you see with Amber Heard. And we have a society that thinks it's
00:41:37.760 just as violent to restrain a physically aggressive woman. You really do leave a lot of men, uh, as,
00:41:44.320 as, as cornered animals. And then you add on top of that men who are afraid to get help because if
00:41:48.980 they're struggling with issues, it could be used against them. And I really see this is,
00:41:52.960 I'm not going out there talking about men's rights as far as a pickup culture issue.
00:41:56.240 This is something that's bad for women because the institution of marriage is being eroded and not by 1.00
00:42:01.420 two dudes getting shacked up, you know, shacking up and at the Folsom street fair, that's not what
00:42:06.480 I'm talking about, but through these laws that take place at the state level. And it's hard for me as
00:42:10.920 someone who truly, you know, believes in the institution of marriage to advocate it as anything other than a
00:42:15.240 losing deal for a lot of young men out there. And that's what I see. Uh, that's what I see is the
00:42:21.380 big issue from this a lot. We're kind of watching it through two different lenses. And I think a lot
00:42:25.800 of women maybe watch it and don't realize how scary of a prospect this is to men who maybe, maybe even
00:42:31.380 don't have money, but they go, Oh, this could happen to anyone because the law says it will happen.
00:42:36.460 And, uh, yeah. And the other thing is like the, their marriage was full. There's all sorts of
00:42:42.940 abuse and any, any woman who's been abused will tell you it can be physical abuse, but it can also
00:42:47.700 be emotional abuse and it can be verbal abuse. And yes, he seems to have heaped some of that
00:42:53.020 emotional verbal stuff on her. She seems like the number one perpetrator in that way as well. I mean,
00:42:58.680 if you look at the testimonial, let's come out the testimony in this court, she was belittling him
00:43:04.280 as she was calling him an effing baby because he would complain about what she did to him
00:43:09.560 physically. I mean, if the, if the shoe were on the other foot, we would never stand for this,
00:43:13.440 right? We would look at him as a total monster. And yet so far that all the headlines in this case
00:43:19.420 are, they seem to be still pro Amber. And this is his complaint. His complaint is that she made
00:43:25.520 these allegations. She set it up with a paparazzi to take pictures of what he says was a fake bruise on
00:43:29.840 her face. There was testimony by the guy, a friend of theirs who saw it, who said that there was no,
00:43:33.300 she had nothing. He didn't, she claims he threw a phone in her face and that she had a bruise on
00:43:38.500 her face. And I saw her right after she says, look right here, right here. And it's like, no,
00:43:42.520 nothing's there. I see nothing. But the claim is that she set up a thing with a paparazzi where 0.54
00:43:47.600 she made it look bad. And anyway, he says she ruined his career. So that's what he's alleging.
00:43:51.780 I mean, there's very few Hollywood careers as big as his, and it's not about, he needs more millions.
00:43:56.860 We know he's got a billion bucks. It's just about his reputation and this, you know,
00:44:02.000 the American public's belief in what you are. Yeah. He has kids. You know, he doesn't want his
00:44:06.780 kids to think that he's an abuser. This is something, and by the way, we're not just talking
00:44:10.400 about ruining his career. She threw a vodka bottle at him. And this is something that the physicians
00:44:14.180 at, you know, provide a testimony that Johnny Depp, here's a perfect example to me, kind of what
00:44:20.660 crystallizes this case is people try to argue, well, why did Johnny Depp lie and tell people that
00:44:25.900 his finger got caught in an accordion door? Well, okay. He lied to other people, but at that
00:44:30.560 exact same day, he told the physician what had actually happened, that she threw a vodka handle
00:44:36.600 at him, a handle of vodka. And it actually is what basically severed his finger and required surgery.
00:44:42.500 Yeah. But here's the thing that tells you right there, that's a man who is so emotionally and
00:44:48.020 mentally abused that he's ashamed to admit someone shattered his finger. So he tells the public,
00:44:54.220 you know, the people who aren't, you know, aren't subject to a patient confidentiality says,
00:44:59.680 oh, no, no, I just made a mistake. But fessed up to his doctor. This is what actually happened
00:45:03.820 because he needed to be honest about the injury. That's something that people need to understand.
00:45:07.840 That is the textbook behavior of someone who's emotionally abused. And then, of course,
00:45:13.840 you combine that with a divorce where all of that can be made public. Man, I really, it breaks my
00:45:20.340 heart to see this, this, this happen. It breaks my heart to see. And I think, look, I don't, I think
00:45:24.720 the guy is far from perfect, but what, what is, this is a genuine question to women out there is
00:45:30.140 what is a guy like Johnny Depp to do? If you, or any husband, you punch him and you call him a baby
00:45:38.260 and you throw a vodka bottle at him, breaking his finger and you continually belittle him,
00:45:45.140 you shit in his bed. I mean, you know, then what? Yeah. But I mean, the answer is definitely not
00:45:50.880 hit back. I mean, that's not the answer. But he did hit back. I don't think, look how many times
00:45:54.600 did Humphrey Bogart go, let's just wait to stop. He admitted, I mean, he wrote a note to her father
00:45:59.860 saying, I went too far in our fight and I promise you it will never happen again. He's on record as
00:46:04.040 having said he, he pushed it too far as well. So he's, he's doesn't have, I'm going to, I'm going
00:46:10.400 to tell you, he didn't say he hit her. I haven't seen that anywhere. He said he physically restrained
00:46:14.340 her. And I don't believe that that is the same as a person who was physically assaulted. One more
00:46:19.460 thing that I would like to sort of address here. This is something again, because I know, I know
00:46:23.340 that you have a commitment to this. I don't think we disagree on this a whole lot, but, but truth is
00:46:26.380 important. You know, a lot of people aren't aware domestic abuse occurs at a much higher rate,
00:46:31.340 physical abuse from women against men. I got it. I got to go. Cause I'm facing a heartbreak,
00:46:37.460 but I'm going to come right back to this, but no, to your point, I actually clicked on your link and
00:46:41.380 it supported that statement. And it's just, people don't cover it as much. All right. Stephen Crowder
00:46:45.540 is right back after this break. And we're going to talk about why Abercrombie and Fitch is now woke
00:46:49.800 and we're supposed to be supportive of that.
00:46:57.520 Let's talk about Abercrombie and Fitch. I know you were raising a thing about this and
00:47:01.320 you know, the last time I remember about Abercrombie and Fitch is like all the young 1.00
00:47:05.120 people were wearing it in the nineties. It was like the thing to wear. And next thing I know
00:47:09.940 there's a, and then there was some scandal and kind of like faded and they fell into some public
00:47:14.320 scandals, sometimes bad headlines about them and their CEO in particular. And now Netflix is giving
00:47:20.100 them the documentary treatment, talking about how they've fallen and how that basically they're a
00:47:26.780 bunch of racists and now they're woke. So everything is going to be fine again. Uh, hold on. I think
00:47:32.860 we have the trailer. Do we have a trailer from the Netflix thing? Yeah. Okay. Watch this. Top five.
00:47:37.780 You know that you're getting close when you're hit with the smell of Abercrombie,
00:47:42.080 big nightclub beats and bare chested guys. It was such a pop culture phenomenon.
00:47:47.780 It was an all American look. And I considered myself an all American girl.
00:47:57.980 Abercrombie and Fitch said, we go after the cool kids.
00:48:02.580 If they didn't look a certain way, they didn't belong in our clothing. Are we exclusionary?
00:48:10.060 Absolutely.
00:48:10.580 So it's basically an Abercrombie, so white type complaint that they were too white and they
00:48:16.440 leaned into being too white and that's why they fell. And now they say, um, that they're,
00:48:21.720 they're different now, you know, that they're, they've sort of turned over a new leaf and they're
00:48:25.700 all about inclusion and they're going to have, you know, heavy models on their page and they're
00:48:29.720 going to have people of all different races and backgrounds. What do you make of it?
00:48:33.800 Well, you know what's, I'm in this bizarre position today where I'm defending Johnny Depp
00:48:37.540 and I'm defending Abercrombie and Fitch. Look, I'm a, I'm a conservative. I couldn't,
00:48:42.100 there are a few things that I could stand less. Although one of the most flattering
00:48:45.280 and you defended Brian Stelter. Yes. Yeah. Well, that one's okay. Uh, incredibly heterosexual.
00:48:50.720 So I, um, since we're talking about Abercrombie, I need to delineate there to make sure,
00:48:54.200 but, uh, I will say this one of the most flattering interactions I ever had. I was on a,
00:48:56.920 on a date with a girl at this time. Uh, and, uh, we were at an outdoor mall in California and they
00:49:01.540 approached me and said, Hey, would you like to work at Abercrombie? That's what they just looked at me and said,
00:49:05.120 would you like to work at Abercrombie? And I assume it's because at
00:49:07.400 this point I wasn't, I was, you know, uh, I was, uh, decently fit and I was younger.
00:49:12.300 I didn't quite look like a catcher's mitt yet, but I was like, Oh, well, thank you. No,
00:49:15.940 I hate your store. I find it, uh, revolt, uh, revolting, but, uh, I appreciate the offer.
00:49:20.620 So here's the thing. Um, I don't think there's a problem with models being exclusive. We don't
00:49:26.900 expect it to be an actual depiction of, of all human beings. That's why they're models. Right.
00:49:32.800 And if you watch that, I don't know if you saw that. I don't want to hear anyone complaining
00:49:37.540 anymore about how the unrealistic beauty standards only apply to women. Like I'm one green smoothie
00:49:42.720 away from looking like somebody at pulse nightclub. And there is something too. I don't know if anyone
00:49:46.900 studying the science on this, there's something in the gay, uh, male diet that makes them thin. 1.00
00:49:52.020 And there's, there's something obviously, you know, with lesbians, it's incredibly fattening. 1.00
00:49:55.660 So I don't know how that works.
00:49:56.840 That is not true. Some of my closest friends are gorgeous lesbians. They're very fit. 1.00
00:50:01.720 Oh, I'm sure they're gorgeous. I'm sure they don't shop at Orvis. Uh, no,
00:50:06.960 I'm telling you they're gorgeous. I'm going to, if I had a picture, I'd put it up on the board.
00:50:10.200 You, you yourself would think about becoming a lesbian. 1.00
00:50:13.560 Yeah. Well, okay. Yeah, I have, I have thought about becoming sure. Every teenage boy at some point
00:50:17.460 is, uh, but here's the thing is, is, uh, a lot of people don't know this to the history about this.
00:50:20.920 I haven't seen the full documentary. I'm sure they sort of brush past it. You know,
00:50:24.300 Abercrombie and Fitch was a, was a, a sporting goods and, and, and gun catalog initially way back.
00:50:30.920 It was an outdoor shop. Yeah. So they, they have changed and they tend to adapt. The problem
00:50:34.620 that you're seeing now is sort of like with Disney. Okay. I'll use it as a parallel. You
00:50:39.700 have two sides of this issue with Disney and Florida, right? But they just passed this,
00:50:43.020 uh, that Disney is no longer going to be able to basically govern itself like its own County,
00:50:47.240 right? They've received special privileges because of how big they are in Florida. Now you see people on
00:50:51.600 the left saying this is hypocritical because people on the right are now allowing a governor
00:50:55.000 to silence people for having a different point of view. And if that was, was actually taking place,
00:51:00.560 I would agree, but it's not what you're seeing is Disney trying to overturn the will of the people
00:51:06.600 with political power and clout. And you're seeing people from out of state try and come in and
00:51:11.100 influence the politics of Florida. And that's not market driven. The, the, the, the LGBTQ AI and Pixar 0.76
00:51:17.480 is not market driven. Same thing with Abercrombie. This new change is not market driven. It's driven
00:51:23.260 from elites in power who say you need to be woke. It's not what Americans want. And then it becomes,
00:51:28.920 in my opinion, social engineering. It's not capitalism. Hmm. Well, the Abercrombie thing is
00:51:33.780 interesting to me because it's part of a trend. The former CEO, Mike Jeffries in 2006, I guess he spelled
00:51:39.160 out his tactics. Uh, this is reading from an article, uh, from CNN. And, uh, he said, quote,
00:51:45.040 um, we go after the attractive all American kid with a great attitude and a lot of friends. Again,
00:51:51.320 this is from 06. A lot of people don't belong in our clothes and they can't belong. Are we
00:51:56.000 exclusionary? Absolutely. Now, in my view, if that's how you want to be as a company, go for it. You're
00:52:01.380 not going to get a lot of people who you otherwise could get, but there is sort of this push to sort
00:52:06.060 of reject, you know, the traditional thin models and like the, you know, hip, whatever crowd as you're
00:52:13.380 the people who'd be on your website. Why? It's like, why can't there be a company like that that
00:52:17.980 caters to people who want to, who are attracted to that? And then all the other companies that
00:52:21.240 are more inclusive, it's like, we have to shame that group, right? Like if you, if you want to 0.98
00:52:25.180 promote to like the fit, super attractive model crowd, somehow you're bad and you're racist and
00:52:30.480 you're off and they have to do documentaries about how terrible you are. Right. Yeah. And I,
00:52:34.820 and I don't have a dog in this fight. I mean, can you imagine me right with my pelvic lines and
00:52:38.900 baggy and I guess low waisted jeans, whatever the term is now. I don't know what's hip. I think
00:52:42.760 maybe now the trend is going back to Patrick Swayze roadhouse jeans, but chasing you around,
00:52:46.660 spraying cologne on you and Abercrombie. Of course not. I don't think I've ever owned a piece of
00:52:49.400 Abercrombie clothing in my life. It's the same issue that people have with Captain America,
00:52:53.780 with Superman, with the flash. It's like, look, if you want your own, uh, woke lesbian gay store, 0.92
00:53:00.380 great create it. I think you could even probably co-opt hot topic. No one would have a problem with it.
00:53:05.580 The problem is when they take something that wasn't from the ground up designed to be that it's
00:53:10.080 like, they say, we need our own heroes. We need our own examples. Good. Have them create them.
00:53:15.060 The problem is when there's a social engineering coming from something that is seen as some kind
00:53:19.380 of an American institution or something that obviously is, is, um, viewed as a tradition
00:53:24.080 in the United States. I don't know that Abercrombie qualifies and you try and co-opt that. It's like,
00:53:29.040 absolutely. No one has a problem with you creating your own thing, but time and time again,
00:53:32.540 they try this and what happens? It fails. You can see that with Netflix. You can see that with
00:53:38.580 Disney. They're, they're, they're going to be suffering more. You can see it with CNN and CNN
00:53:42.600 plus. And I guarantee you're going to see it with Abercrombie. This, there could have been a bunch
00:53:47.500 of examples, right? You could not pay the average black American to go into Abercrombie and Fitch.
00:53:54.640 His friends would have to, his friends would have to wear diapers because they'd be pissing themselves,
00:54:00.180 laughing, mocking him for going in around a bunch of white shirtless male models. But if they say,
00:54:05.900 well, we need to diversify it. Well, what if black people don't want to buy your clothing? 0.99
00:54:09.340 What if they would rather go shop somewhere else? They say, well, we need to bring in the lesbians. 1.00
00:54:12.920 Well, maybe they want to shop at Bass Pro and Orvis. They don't want to go into Abercrombie.
00:54:17.180 That's the issue they continually run into. And people try and argue it's the free market. It's
00:54:22.360 not. And that's why you see these businesses fail. That being said, I couldn't care less if
00:54:26.560 Abercrombie dies in the vine. The place is annoying as hell when I'm going through the mall and it
00:54:30.420 sounds like a nightclub. It's just awful. Wait, is Orvis a fishing store? What's Orvis?
00:54:34.820 Bass Pro and Orvis? What is it? Yeah, Bass Pro, Orvis. You could throw Eddie Bauer in there.
00:54:39.140 You know, the place is a lesbian shop. And by the way, I have no problem with it. Go nuts. 1.00
00:54:44.060 It's not true. Let me tell you, my friends. I mean, I think technically they would say that
00:54:47.900 they're bi. But in any event, they are gorgeous and they're very fashionable. They blow my fashion
00:54:52.300 to door. So they're out the door. So anyway, there's always exceptions. Who knows? Let's talk about
00:54:57.320 Disney a little bit more, though, because I do think this. Yes, that little crying. That's the
00:55:02.400 soundbite of the week. Jen Psaki. I mean, it's either her or President Biden not understanding
00:55:06.280 the difference between what's happening at the border and what's happening with his appeal of
00:55:10.280 his loss on the mask mandate, which we can also get to. But the Jen Psaki thing I haven't played yet,
00:55:15.320 literally in tears over what's happening with Ron DeSantis and this bill. Well, now it's law down
00:55:21.940 in Florida that stands up for parental rights and says you cannot in the instruction of very young
00:55:27.820 children push sexual identity or gender identity lessons until they get to pass third grade. And
00:55:33.820 then you can then you can talk about it in class in an appropriate way. It doesn't say you can't
00:55:37.360 talk about it. It doesn't say if the child says, what do you mean, your partner? You're not allowed
00:55:41.220 to say, oh, I have a gay husband. You know, I'm gay and I have a husband. It doesn't say any of that
00:55:45.880 says in the instruction, you shouldn't be pushing gender identity and sexual identity at K through three.
00:55:52.100 This is how Jen Psaki reacts to that in this interview. She did in this podcast. Listen.
00:55:56.240 This is a political wedge issue and an attempt to win a culture war. And they're doing that in a way
00:56:04.240 that is harsh and cruel to a community of kids, especially. I'm going to get emotional about
00:56:11.920 this issue because it's horrible. But, you know, it's like kids who are bullied. And this is like
00:56:20.860 all these leaders are taking steps to hurt them and hurt their lives and hurt their families. And
00:56:26.980 you look at some of these laws in these states and it is going after parents who are in loving
00:56:31.580 relationships, who have kids. It's completely outrageous.
00:56:36.880 OK, going after. For the listening audience, he was now banging his head against his desk.
00:56:42.860 And well, first of all, she just shouldn't be sitting in front of a white background. It's 1.00
00:56:46.800 like nature's evil camouflage.
00:56:49.820 What do you mean? It's like the red hair.
00:56:52.680 She's incredibly pale and she has no soul. Look, look. She also went on to talk about
00:56:57.240 there's no such thing as transgender children. OK, let's be clear about that. It's not a thing. 1.00
00:57:03.140 Transgender children. If they are below the age of consenting to sexual decisions, 0.99
00:57:07.880 they are below the age of consenting to decisions medically that would affect them sexually for the
00:57:12.700 rest of their lives. You know what? I didn't know, Megyn Kelly, about my second grade teacher.
00:57:18.960 Her first name, let alone her scissor sister. Does anyone actually remember walking up like,
00:57:23.880 oh, yeah, well, thank you, Mr. Johnson. Here's my book report. By the way, who are you banging today? 0.65
00:57:27.620 When these teachers talk about how am I supposed to discuss what do I tell my students about my
00:57:32.600 my same sex husband or wife? How about nothing? How about nothing? 1.00
00:57:37.880 That's a human rights violation now. And by the way, the bill doesn't even say that I would have
00:57:42.740 no problem if it did say keep your keep your sex life to yourself. Don't discuss it with our kids, 0.98
00:57:47.820 whether you're straight or gay. But it doesn't. It just says you will not indoctrinate kindergarten
00:57:52.580 through third grade on gender identity where it could not be less age appropriate. Remember when
00:57:59.300 people said it was a straw man when we said they're going to go after your kids? Here we are.
00:58:04.340 Yeah. And they said, yeah, they said they weren't doing it. It's like, well, if you're not doing it,
00:58:08.360 then why do you care that it's being official, that you're not allowed to do it in instruction,
00:58:13.440 not in conversation, not in passing in the instruction that you offer to my kindergartner?
00:58:18.400 I don't want to hear anything about any of this. If Doug and I want to talk to our children about that,
00:58:23.080 we'll do it. We'll do it in an appropriate age, in an appropriate way. But to me, the thing that jumps
00:58:27.680 out about this is the irony, Stephen, of Jen Psaki, who works for this administration to talk about
00:58:33.140 the abuse of children and using them in a political culture war. It's like, are you kidding me? You
00:58:39.840 you just put masks on three year olds for years, the people least at risk from COVID. And you insisted
00:58:49.540 that they keep them on and that they eat outside and that they sit in the rain and that they stay six
00:58:53.520 feet away from one another and that they get a vaccine they don't need when they're over five
00:58:57.480 years old to protect them, to protect them from a risk that is not real for that age group.
00:59:02.160 And you want to talk to me about what's good for children? You, the administration that's now
00:59:07.580 paving the way for top surgery for teenagers and for them to be able to get cross-gender hormones 0.86
00:59:12.480 without their parents knowing. And then you want to cry about the abuse the Republican Party
00:59:17.080 is putting on your child. Spare me. Spare me. 0.67
00:59:20.280 Yeah. No, I think, look, I don't I often try to not attribute to malice what can be attributed to
00:59:26.260 ignorance. This this is evil stuff. I guess I can say this is evil, evil shit when you're talking about
00:59:32.040 not only hormone replacement therapy for not just teenagers, but if you look at if they had their
00:59:37.160 way unfettered, that's always what I tell people is, OK, you have to look at what each political
00:59:42.720 party would have if there were no blockades, if they had a completely unfettered. Well, the doubt for a
00:59:47.640 second we were talking about covid, that the Democrats would have us in a similar lockdown
00:59:51.540 to Australia. No, of course not, because they propose that that's what they wanted.
00:59:55.300 There are checks and balances that pulled them back a little bit. If the left had what they wanted
00:59:59.140 unfettered, you would have to allow your six year old to go on puberty blockers or potentially be on
01:00:06.080 the route to an actual sex change operation or forfeit your right to your children as taken by the
01:00:11.920 state because they believe it's child abuse to not transition your child. This is the mainstream
01:00:16.500 platform of the left. People need to understand that people might point to some exceptions,
01:00:19.860 but not the platform of the DNC. I can't think of something more evil than that. And really,
01:00:26.120 when you look at their guiding North star and I'm speaking in a generality here, but I'm using
01:00:30.360 the DNC as the example, it all ultimately points to more power of the state. And here's something else,
01:00:37.780 you know, to I don't think it requires a conspiracy theorist to say, you know, same sex marriage
01:00:42.700 happened, right? That was the big push. And you were back then you were a Nazi. If you didn't want 0.77
01:00:46.500 two guys to get married, okay, whatever. Once that happened, okay, same sex marriage, they have it. 0.59
01:00:51.540 You have it now. He had the first president who actually went into office, who was pro same sex
01:00:55.560 marriage, Donald Trump ever, right? Barack Obama was against it until he was for it. So you think
01:01:01.140 all these people at organizations like GLAAD, do you think they're going to forfeit all these
01:01:05.760 organizations, the hundreds of millions of dollars? No, they have to advocate for something else.
01:01:09.440 And so they had to push for, uh, uh, uh, you know, men taking a dump in the women's bathroom 1.00
01:01:16.420 at target. Okay, fine. You have that now there's really nowhere else to go. And there are still
01:01:21.480 giant nonprofits with huge, with fast swaths of influence. What do they do? What do they fight
01:01:28.440 for? They have to go back to the private sector and work for a living. That's not going to happen.
01:01:31.820 And so right now we're looking at children on puberty blockers, right? We're looking at men 0.97
01:01:36.380 beating the hell out of women in, in biological men, beating the hell out of women in their own 1.00
01:01:41.480 sports. What is next? And I think that's a very important question. It's not a logical fallacy
01:01:46.700 to say a slippery slope. We are on a slope period. If the left has their way on this,
01:01:52.440 I think it's a fascinating question. Cause I I've talked to a lot of gay and lesbian friends who have
01:01:58.960 said like, I don't totally get why the T is at the end of LGBT, you know, and the Q and all like 1.00
01:02:04.780 the interests aren't necessarily aligned. And in fact, if you look at like the trans activists,
01:02:09.700 like the crazy crit trans and not like normal, like whatever, but the crazy trans activists are 0.84
01:02:14.440 so vicious and they, they they're basically kind of doing conversion therapy on young gay men.
01:02:21.120 Instead of you're not gay, you're trans. You're secretly a girl. It's better to be trans than to 1.00
01:02:26.260 be queer than to be, than to be gay. Just, just say that you're a girl and then you can get rid of that 1.00
01:02:32.080 whole gay thing. And we're seeing more and more of this. Abigail Schreier writes about it in her
01:02:35.780 book. I've had lots of people on the show talking about it. So there is a question about whether the
01:02:39.880 interests of the gay community are aligned in the way that glad would have us believe and whether
01:02:44.220 glad's lost the real scope of its original mission. Um, the other thing I wanted to mention to you on
01:02:50.020 the Jen Psaki thing is she's talking about, she doesn't like the kids being used in a political 1.00
01:02:53.740 culture war. And what she really doesn't like is, is, can you believe these, these,
01:02:57.220 these lawmakers going against these parents who only want what's best for their child?
01:03:01.420 Hello. You were the people who sicked the DOJ on parents who are trying to protect their children
01:03:08.880 from this crazy race essentialism in their class with the white kids being told they're inherently
01:03:14.220 bad and evil and the black kids being told they're inherently inferior and weak. Like you were the one 1.00
01:03:21.920 who wanted to have Merrick Garland arrest and investigate the parents for trying to stand up
01:03:26.920 against that nonsense again, like the nerve. Yeah. No, you know what else too? This also brings us
01:03:32.720 to the scientific issue while we're talking about children, because again, this is there, there are
01:03:36.200 not, uh, these are not isolated incidences, right? Incidents of children, for example, wanting to be
01:03:40.420 on puberty blockers. And that is the mainstream platform. By the way, I was at a Vermont town hall,
01:03:44.360 I believe four years ago, five years ago where they were teaching us, this was a, this was a undercover
01:03:50.000 right with cameras, uh, how to use, uh, Medicaid. I don't remember if it was Medicare or Medicaid,
01:03:55.120 but how to also use our insurance to get our children on puberty blockers and how to, to get
01:03:59.780 insurance to pay, for example, for, for breast surgery, for male to female children, by the way,
01:04:04.760 it was removed from YouTube. It was removed from YouTube, even though it was a public town hall,
01:04:08.900 but there are only five people who actually showed up. So even at the forefront of this war for a long
01:04:12.880 time, when we're talking about science, and this is what I think really bothers a lot of Americans
01:04:17.860 is okay. Well, for example, I have a good friend right now, um, who, uh, is just was diagnosed with
01:04:23.700 breast cancer and she has to do a double mastectomy. That's what was terrible, but she's going to be 0.99
01:04:27.420 fine. What's the first thing they do with women right after, if they do double mastectomy or 1.00
01:04:32.100 radiation, one of the first things they do, if they're dealing with breast cancer is some kind 0.81
01:04:36.620 of aromatase inhibitor, some kind of an estrogen blocker, right? People know it's a Remedex.
01:04:40.620 Sometimes it's clomiphene citrate. These are drugs that people will be familiar with. Why?
01:04:44.360 Because high estrogen levels in women, uh, can be cancergenic. We know that these can actually be 0.93
01:04:48.640 create a pro cancer environment. There is no doubt, Megan, none whatsoever.
01:04:53.740 That in men, it is even more catastrophic. So when we say, well, we know the science is very 0.92
01:04:58.800 clear that if someone has breast cancer, if a woman has high estrogen levels, we need to try and keep 0.95
01:05:02.540 that in check as they're recovering from some kind of a breast cancer. Uh, and we know that with men 1.00
01:05:06.980 who have cancer, we need to keep that in check because men naturally don't have high estrogen
01:05:10.400 levels. We know this. This is science. When injected directly into the buttocks of a six-year-old,
01:05:15.820 however, we don't have any long-term studies. Well, can you make an inference asshole?
01:05:19.120 Can you do that? I don't know. Where did science go right out the window? And it does. It pisses me
01:05:25.380 off. And I think it pisses a lot of Americans off. And this is also why they, why there's mistrust in
01:05:30.020 the, the scientific institutions. Well, is that our fault? Is that our fault? When you said that
01:05:34.560 popping an estrogen pellet into an eight-year-old is appropriate and the science is still out
01:05:38.360 when we know what it does to the male body. Yeah. And, and to your point that the standard
01:05:44.460 of care has now just become to affirm, to affirm. Like if I felt we had a more skeptical medical
01:05:49.460 community still out there that was like, okay, cause I do believe transgender that it is a thing.
01:05:53.900 Gender dysphoria is a thing that can strike. It's very rare. It's exceedingly rare. And you know,
01:05:58.920 that just by looking at our history and it's not all because it wasn't just always unacceptable.
01:06:02.620 The numbers have skyrocketed. There are way more people being swept up into this than are really
01:06:08.640 trans. And we know that from just the detransitioners alone who complain about this 1.00
01:06:12.340 medical community that shoved so-called top surgery, which is actually radical double mastectomies on
01:06:17.200 them and other life altering things. But if I thought we had a medical community that would say,
01:06:22.400 we're going to take a real look at whether this is actually a thing for you or whether you're
01:06:27.000 suffering from parents who are going through a divorce or you feel socially awkward and you don't fit in
01:06:31.100 and you're looking for something to, you know, sort of glom onto to make you feel special,
01:06:34.120 which happens in a lot of these cases, or you're actually gay. Right. And like I was talking about 0.76
01:06:38.460 before, but we don't, the standard of care now is mandated a firm or a top way. You know,
01:06:44.940 what's extinct now? You know, it's an endangered species. Tomboys. Remember those? Some girl who 1.00
01:06:49.520 liked to play. She's a tomboy. Really? Well, you, you, you, you really grew into yourself. Good for you.
01:06:55.380 But I know plenty of women who are tomboys and we never would have imagined saying like, no, no, no, no, 1.00
01:06:59.740 no. You need to get a fake dick. That's actually what you need to do. A nine-year-old Courtney. 1.00
01:07:04.340 This is, but this is where we are. What do you do if you're a doctor today? Think of the questions
01:07:07.960 we were always asked, right? Someone walks in and you go, okay, are you, or let me just leave that
01:07:12.940 blank. What's your height? And what, what, what, what, what, what, what, you know what? Just write
01:07:15.600 down whatever you want and take drugs. Okay. I'll see you later. You can't, you can't ask them
01:07:19.840 questions. Can I tell you something else? I mean, this is kind of dark, but okay. So let's say you put
01:07:25.420 your kid on Puri blockers. Let's say you have a little girl. She's like, oh, I think I'm a boy. And this suddenly
01:07:29.680 comes on, right? Cause the, in all honesty, this has been something that mostly almost universally
01:07:34.800 affects only boys. If you look back at history and not girls. And now the girls are outnumbering 1.00
01:07:39.520 the boys and saying that they have gender dysphoria and they think it's a social contagion. And I
01:07:43.300 believe that too, based on Abigail's book and the work of Lisa Littman and so on. But in any event,
01:07:48.340 let's say you have a little girl who says, I'm, I'm secretly, I'm actually a boy. I was, you know,
01:07:52.860 I was misgendered or mislabeled, whatever at birth, you put her on puberty blockers so that she doesn't 0.99
01:07:58.400 start developing breasts and she doesn't start growing. And so all that, and then you put her 1.00
01:08:02.540 on testosterone for, you know, a couple of years, she's infertile. That child can never, can never 1.00
01:08:06.560 have a baby. So if, if like so many, she decides I was wrong, I was going through her phase, she's
01:08:11.220 done. She will never be a mother. And not only that, and again, I forgive me for the graphic
01:08:15.220 description, but Abigail talked about how they start to grow. The clitoris starts to grow into like a mini 1.00
01:08:21.760 penis. And I forgive me for the graphic, but it's, she said, it looks like the size, like a,
01:08:26.780 like a baby carrot that can't be undone. That can't be, I mean, good luck. Right. It's like,
01:08:31.920 so now you're a little girl realized she was just going through a phase and you did all that to her
01:08:36.320 before the age of 18. That's disgusting. That's totally child abuse. You like, you could,
01:08:42.040 you really could face charges for doing something as catastrophic to that, to a child,
01:08:45.520 if it were in any other lane. Right. No, you absolutely. Yeah. I mean, if you just,
01:08:50.300 for example, if you just took your son and sat him in front of a microwave so that he developed
01:08:53.700 giant testicular cancer, right? People are like, well, what are you doing to your kid?
01:08:56.660 That's a problem. But when you're talking about doing it hormonally over the course of a couple
01:08:59.940 of years, yeah. Something else here is a lot of people who get sex change operations can never
01:09:05.960 climax, sexually climax. We think that might add to the depression. People don't realize that the
01:09:10.220 attempted suicide rate of trans individuals, and I've talked about this, it's about, it's the same 0.94
01:09:14.580 pre-op and post-op. And when people say it's because of how they're treated societally,
01:09:18.280 they have a higher attempted suicide rate than American slaves, than Jews and Auschwitz.
01:09:22.360 We really want to say that in 2022, someone who identifies as a member of the opposite sex has 1.00
01:09:27.580 it worse than concentration camp victims. And this is also something that, gosh, we're crying out
01:09:34.800 loud when, let's put it into context too, okay? If we're going down this route and talking about how
01:09:38.680 dark it is. When people say, you know, you can't say that there's any type of mental issues that could
01:09:45.460 be attributed to this here. I want men out there to think of something for a second. Okay. Let's say
01:09:49.940 you maybe don't feel like you fit. All right. Right now, look down at your penis. I want men 1.00
01:09:55.440 to actually, now think, put yourself in the shoes. What kind of a mental state would you have to be
01:10:01.240 in? To literally bring yourself right now, what would be required of you to cut that off for the
01:10:10.480 rest of your life? Every guy just winced. It's a really, really severe action to take. And we're
01:10:17.200 acting like it's putting, we're acting like it's just putting a kid on a Z-pack. This is something
01:10:21.340 that is really serious with, with irreversible effects. And there's an unbelievable, so we use
01:10:26.640 this statistic for a long time. And it's a very small sample study of 90 something percent of
01:10:31.020 children, right? Who, if they're not given puberty blockers, if they're not given, you know, not gender
01:10:34.620 affirmed, they grow out of it. That number goes to zero. If you take these medical interventions,
01:10:38.200 it was a small sample study. We were criticized for it because again, this is a really new thing.
01:10:42.240 Well, now there's been a much larger study and we've linked to it. And the number is still about
01:10:46.560 87%, 87% of children who, if they claim they are transgender and you do nothing, grow out of it.
01:10:53.520 That number drops to statistically close to 0% if you take medical intervention. So do we see that
01:10:59.860 anywhere else in the medical community? So this is interesting to me because I'll say this. I, we have,
01:11:05.640 I have somebody transgender in my family and my husband does in his family too. So, you know,
01:11:11.020 we have two in our, in our joint family and the person who's trans in my family says, this is a
01:11:17.900 went male to female says from the time he was two years old, he knew he, he has no memories of ever
01:11:25.540 believing he belonged in a boy's body. Like he knew and wound up fully transitioning. Now I believe him. 1.00
01:11:32.380 I didn't know he's a, her, I believe that claim. And I've, I've talked to children, very young
01:11:38.620 children. I did a segment on this on NBC who say that as well. I do believe there's a very small,
01:11:45.300 very small segment of the population that genuinely has this gender dysphoria. I don't know what the
01:11:51.480 quote solution is. You know, I don't know what I would do if God forbid, I had to deal with this
01:11:56.200 in my own family. I don't know how I would handle it, Steven. I do think there's a, there's, there's
01:12:02.360 a segment of the population that deserves a really thoughtful consideration about whether the best
01:12:08.060 thing for them is to allow them to develop into biological women. And so I, I don't know, 0.98
01:12:13.220 but I, what I see as a society, that's totally abusing this small population, like what they
01:12:22.320 actually are going through to try to work out all sorts of other issues in ways that are truly
01:12:27.740 catastrophic. And if you raise any objection to the exploitation, right. Of like, what is a real
01:12:34.240 thing for a teeny tiny segment of the population and using it to, to perform these horrible procedures. 0.99
01:12:40.140 That mean, these are these like catastrophic procedures, you cut off a boy's penis, um, for
01:12:46.260 people who might not necessarily need it. And then you're not even allowed to, you know, talk about it
01:12:50.560 or you get labeled a bigot or what I like, that's what that has to stop. I feel like people starting
01:12:55.740 to get that. Am I crazy? I know, I don't think you're, I don't think you're crazy. Um, I think
01:13:00.560 that the problem too, like you said, is that then it ultimately leads like Jen Psaki sitting there, 0.99
01:13:03.780 you know, crying, um, like Casper, the unfriendly ghost about, uh, parents being bigots, you know,
01:13:08.500 because they don't want to transition their children. Okay. Let me use your personal example, 0.58
01:13:12.480 uh, where, uh, I believe that this person you're describing, I absolutely believe that that person
01:13:19.000 believes my belief. Now my approach is, I believe that they believe it. That's legitimate. Now
01:13:24.480 let's match that, match that up with the science and how that informs us as to whether they believe
01:13:30.800 it correctly or incorrectly. You may disagree with me. Is that hateful? Because that's what's
01:13:35.960 being labeled bigoted. And by the way, that was the most, that was the consensus among the medical
01:13:40.240 community for a very, very long time. A lot of people don't know this too, this little bait and
01:13:44.180 switch. You know, the DSM four to the DSM five gender dysphoria was a, was a disorder just like
01:13:49.220 body dysmorphia, you know, like some of the Abercrombie people or bodybuilders, people would
01:13:52.600 become anorexic. It was this unhealthy body image that was unrealistic and didn't match up with reality
01:13:57.920 effectively. That's what gender dysphoria is, uh, was in the DSM four. They switched it in the DSM five
01:14:03.100 gender dysphoria is still a thing, but gender dysphoria now describes the symptoms of, of,
01:14:09.800 of distress associated with being born into the wrong body, but it doesn't really address how you
01:14:17.480 qualify being born in the wrong body. Think of that little switch. And I want to know where the paper
01:14:23.720 is, the scientific paper that reflects it. People can search high and low. It doesn't exist. So this
01:14:29.140 is, again, this kind of ties us back to write CNN plus, uh, you're talking about Disney when you're
01:14:33.220 talking about this administration, when you're talking about, now you're talking about science.
01:14:36.320 I just, I think the biggest problem is not only blaming America, not the biggest problem,
01:14:40.760 but I think the through line here is blaming Americans for being hateful, blaming Americans
01:14:43.740 for being bigoted, blaming Americans for distrust in the government. No, no, no, no. All of these
01:14:48.240 institutions have, uh, self-inflicted these wounds. If you want to blame somebody for sowing mistrust in
01:14:54.080 American institutions, well, I think it's the institutions themselves. And I think that it's equally
01:14:59.220 applicable to the scientific community in a lot of ways, especially if you look at, I don't think we've
01:15:04.320 had a more clear example, Megan, there is value to the fact that we had trust the science, right?
01:15:08.800 For the last two years with the, with the pandemic and the protocols, uh, and the silencing of, of
01:15:14.000 other scientific and medical voices of dissent while simultaneously, this unbelievable acceleration
01:15:20.020 of the transgender movement. We were able to see that happen in real time. And I think a lot of
01:15:25.500 Americans just said, okay, Oh, Oh, I was, I was a little bit, you're full of shit.
01:15:29.980 Yeah. No, it's like, uh, Jim Comey and, um, what's his name? Uh, struck and Lisa page and then
01:15:38.340 Brennan and clapper, all those people did for sort of the national security industry, what Fauci and
01:15:46.960 Rochelle Walensky and the CNN commentator, what's her name? Leo, whatever her name is when what's her
01:15:53.200 name? Uh, Leanna, when what they did to the medical community, right. And, and, and the same doubts
01:15:58.920 that have now been raised by, you know, even lefties about our medical authorities and what
01:16:03.460 they tell to us. Um, it applies in the transgender lane too, because we know, we know, and you're 0.99
01:16:08.220 seeing, you're seeing it explode and you're seeing kids who are clearly on the autism spectrum
01:16:12.200 of suddenly saying they're trans and you know, they're not trans. They're looking for a lane 0.99
01:16:16.060 to belong. They're looking to something that's going to make them get snaps when they go out onto
01:16:19.960 the stage, as opposed to feel odd or off or what, and it's wrong. It's wrong, right.
01:16:26.360 To go along with what's clearly a delusion on that particular person's part. Yeah, go ahead.
01:16:31.520 Right. All right. Cause you just mentioned, and I really do appreciate by the way, Megan,
01:16:34.380 that you described it as what the national security industry. Okay. So this is true. I've
01:16:39.280 told this, uh, I believe I've told this on air. I kind of had to keep it under wraps, but there was
01:16:42.940 a long, now I don't, cause I don't care. Cause everyone knows who this guy is. So a long time ago,
01:16:47.420 uh, me and a producer, we infiltrated Antifa. This is like maybe 2005, 2016. And, uh, this was in Salt Lake
01:16:52.900 city, Utah, Ben Shapiro was speaking and they handed my producer, uh, an ice pick, a knife,
01:16:58.000 and they were going to get a sawed off shotgun. Uh, and, uh, this was for a Ben Shapiro show. So
01:17:02.420 anyways, we infiltrated them long story short. Some of these people ended up being arrested by
01:17:06.220 local authorities. And it was amazing to me that an ABC reporter there had no interest. We're like,
01:17:09.700 here's the footage. They're handing him a, a, a, a, a bully knife. And they're like, well,
01:17:12.700 we don't care. So what happened is we ended up getting on the phone with a guy at the FBI.
01:17:17.400 Okay. And he said, how did you get involved? Uh, how did you get into this, uh, Antifa, uh, app? And
01:17:21.900 we're like, shouldn't you be telling us this? Like, shouldn't you know this? You know? So we,
01:17:25.900 we thought it was odd and the FBI didn't get involved. There were no arrests that were actually
01:17:30.060 made. But after this for a while, this was our contact at the FBI, uh, who worked, I guess,
01:17:35.960 in their counterterrorism unit. Okay. Was, was based out of, well, based out of Michigan and, uh,
01:17:41.120 was working with us at one point because I needed body armor because they had a lot of death threats
01:17:44.240 and said, well, you know, this body armor is not necessarily legal for sit at for civilians,
01:17:48.040 but for law enforcement, long story short, kind of some loose contact for a while.
01:17:52.040 Lost touch. Guess who was involved with the governor Whitmer kidnapping? You know,
01:17:57.800 we're like 29 out of the 31 people were FBI agents guy named Jason chambers. So it's public
01:18:03.280 record. Now Jason with the Y Jason chambers. This was the guy on a fishing expedition with my office.
01:18:09.340 I think he was looking at me like, these must be extremists. And he just realized that we were
01:18:12.460 normal sort of Christian conservatives and moved on down the trail. But when I read it publicly,
01:18:16.760 I said, Oh shit, that guy was a spy. It could have been us. It could have been us.
01:18:23.500 It could have easily been us. And it could have been me just saying, Hey, someone's trying to
01:18:27.380 kill me. Do you know how I, cause I was ignorant. This was before we had Spartan armor as a sponsor.
01:18:31.620 I was like, where can I find some, you know, some kind of a bulletproof vest for when I'm on stage.
01:18:35.160 And the guy could have baited me just giving me the slightly illegal version of a defensive tool.
01:18:40.880 Luckily we didn't bite. And it really just stemmed from laziness, but actually cheap. I was frugal.
01:18:45.120 I was like, that's too expensive.
01:18:46.120 You see barking up the wrong tree. I'm just, I'm just your normal, provocative,
01:18:49.860 inappropriate comedian. I, people hate me for just all sorts of reasons. I just do want to live.
01:18:54.860 That's it. I'm not plotting anything.
01:18:56.780 Jason chambers. I remember going, I said like, I haven't talked to Jason in a while.
01:19:01.000 So what's going on? And then I'm reading an article going, what? So this close.
01:19:07.220 All right. So much more with Steven Crowder. You never know where it's going to go with him.
01:19:10.600 Just like Jason. Uh, when we come back, don't go anywhere.
01:19:18.860 All right. There's still so much to go over with Steven Crowder, including I, I, I don't watch the
01:19:23.240 mass singer, but my team was like, you've got to see this clip. They asked me to be on the mass
01:19:27.900 singer. Politely ignored that. Um, Rudy Giuliani went on it. And I guess the premise of the show
01:19:34.880 is like you sing while masked and people try to guess who you are. And then the judges, I don't,
01:19:38.720 I'm not, I don't totally understand. But in any event, Rudy Giuliani was revealed as the guy
01:19:42.800 inside of what was a parrot costume. I think here is the big reveal where the, the female,
01:19:49.360 the blonde who's on the judging panel, who I think used to sing the song. Am I right? Do we know you
01:19:55.080 guys? Did she sing it? Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me? Right? Is that 1.00
01:20:00.840 the one? No, there's a different blonde. Well, anyway, this girl thought it was Robert Duval. 0.72
01:20:06.900 Oh, she doesn't recognize Rudy Giuliani. Watch this.
01:20:18.800 Oh my goodness. Former associate attorney general, former mayor of New York city.
01:20:31.220 Okay. So it's the girl from Pussycat Dolls. I think it thought it was Robert Duval. Then there's
01:20:49.100 Jenny McCarthy saying, Oh my God. Then Ken Young, Ken Young, uh, storms off. He's pissed. He leaves
01:20:56.900 because he's so mad that the mass singer would put on Rudy Giuliani. What if anything, do we make of
01:21:04.260 this? Are you asking me? Yeah. Do you have any thoughts on this? No, I just find it funny that
01:21:08.720 even to you, all blondes look alike. And you made that mistake. Uh, you just confused two blonde 0.66
01:21:14.960 singers. You just, you need to check your, your own prejudice there. Well, I just found out about
01:21:18.840 this Nicole. I didn't know that's who she was. She's actually got dark hair, but she, I know that song. 0.99
01:21:23.540 I was just singing it with my daughter. Don't you really? Your girlfriend was, yeah. Okay. Keep
01:21:28.440 going. Well, yeah. Now I question your taste in music. I mean, I'd rather you just, yeah. Rather
01:21:33.420 than sing that song, just give your, you'd be better off giving her puberty blockers. That's 1.00
01:21:36.700 almost abuse. Um, I just, you know, Ken, and I also appreciate, you know, you're trying, this is what
01:21:42.300 happens with white people when we try and get into like Ken Young, Ken, it's Ken Jeong. It's fine. 0.99
01:21:46.520 And that's why I just pronounce it the American way, because I see what you're trying to do there.
01:21:51.280 I'm going to step in and save you, Megan, because I don't mind stepping on that landmine. I do it
01:21:56.460 all the time. And I just say it the regular white way. You know why? Uh, because I was French Canadian
01:22:01.220 and I watched the mispronounced stuff all the time. My mom still does it. People think that
01:22:04.460 Americans are the only ones who do it the white way. I don't know. It's like, I have no idea. 0.68
01:22:10.460 When people are like, uh, Mr. Jimenez, it's like, just shut up. Okay. You just, just, just shut up.
01:22:15.580 Just say Jimenez, just say it the way that you want to say it as an American. It's fine. They do it
01:22:19.180 with us. Ask them, ask them to pronounce Crowder. They can't do it. That reminds me of, uh, when I
01:22:24.120 studied abroad in Italy, I, people were like, Oh, where are you studying? They'd ask me in, in
01:22:27.660 Italian. And I'd say, Oh, I'll have an university. And then instead of just saying Syracuse, I'd be
01:22:32.760 like Syracuse. And I'm like, what am I doing? Syracuse is pronounced Syracuse. Like I'm from
01:22:37.360 Syracuse. I know how to say Syria. Why am I putting it in an Italian accent? So I corrected. Yeah.
01:22:41.500 And then they laughed at you, uh, because you're from Syracuse and they just said, at
01:22:45.740 least it's not, uh, Cleveland. So you've had that. Wait, wait, stand by. Cause actually
01:22:50.960 we have the walk-off as well. Watch this. Okay. Here to perform unmasked. Oh my goodness.
01:22:55.880 And for all the artists formerly known as the Jack in the box, ladies and gentlemen, put
01:23:02.440 your hands together. I'm not a parent. Rudy Giuliani. I broke a thousand hearts before
01:23:11.400 I met you. And I'm done. I break a thousand more babies before I am through. And now he's
01:23:19.400 walking off. Ken Jeong is walking off. I know him from the bachelor party, right? He's the
01:23:26.160 Ken Jeong. The hangover, I think is what you mean. Hangover. There we go. The hangover. Yeah.
01:23:29.900 You can see, I don't have any of my cultural references. Correct. Anyway, he couldn't, to
01:23:33.320 me, it's like pathetic, right? It's the whole show is kind of funny. They Sarah Palin was
01:23:37.340 on it. It's like, so you've got to be offended. Cause it's Rudy Giuliani. You can't stand there
01:23:41.200 and just have a laugh and just like make light of it and have a moment where despite all the
01:23:44.840 political differences, we can, I just have a laugh for a minute. No, no. And this is what
01:23:50.400 else. Look, I mean, he would have, he wouldn't have walked off if they opened that box and rather
01:23:55.980 than the former, uh, you know, times man of the year, America's mayor in a parrot costume.
01:24:01.000 If it was some doctor performing transition surgery, I guarantee he wouldn't walk off.
01:24:05.400 Or an abortion doctor. Right. An abortion doctor. It's what bothers me most is he's a,
01:24:11.280 he's a comedian, right? This is a comedian. And to not understand, first off, this is a very silly
01:24:16.120 show. So it's not like he's coming on there, pushing a point of view, even if you disagree
01:24:20.500 with, you know, mayor Giuliani, even if you disagree with everything that he believes this
01:24:24.940 is him in a parrot costume in a box and a comedian can't handle it. And again, this brings us back to
01:24:30.660 these ideas of institutions. This brings us to the entertainment industry, right? Think of you go
01:24:36.140 back to the Dean Martin roasts, Don Rickles, you even go to the nineties, even go to the early aughts
01:24:41.340 where it was at least risk respected. At least comedians were thought to be thought provoking. At least
01:24:46.480 they were thought to be able to mock the King, right? The court jester, at least it was encouraged.
01:24:50.500 And now there is a culture of, of thought policing and comedy. And I was talking about this for a
01:24:56.060 long time. It's a big reason I started to hate standup comedy, uh, because someone who was coming
01:25:01.500 up younger and I would deal with these clubs or these colleges who would say, you can't say that
01:25:05.120 joke, even though it was a clean comedian, they would say it was offensive. I would talk about this
01:25:09.460 with other comedians. They would say, no, no, no, that's never going to happen in comedy, right?
01:25:12.460 This is the last bastion of free speech. Well, here we are. You saw them try and do it with Dave
01:25:16.260 Chappelle. If someone is powerful enough, they can't succeed. But you see right here,
01:25:21.000 a comedian so thin skinned that he can't sit in the mere presence of the person who was once the
01:25:27.940 most popular mayor in the entire country. And why? It's because Giuliani represented Trump. It's
01:25:33.360 because he pushed Trump's election claims. That's the reason because I mean, listen, I can get,
01:25:38.120 it's not Vladimir Putin, right? It's like that. Okay. I can get this. He's in the middle of killing a
01:25:43.040 bunch of innocent people in Ukraine. That's the problem. However, it's not Vladimir Putin.
01:25:46.760 It's Rudy Giuliani who pushed an electoral claim that Ken Jeong did not find persuasive and thought
01:25:51.280 was specious. I get all that. But you tell me whether Andrew Cuomo, if he had popped out of the
01:25:56.960 jack in the box, he wouldn't have left. Andrew Cuomo killed 15,000 seniors with his order, making
01:26:01.740 them all go into nursing homes, rubbing elbows with one another when they were COVID positive without
01:26:06.620 one care. He's never apologized for it. He doesn't take any responsibility for it. He would not have
01:26:10.720 gotten up and walked out over that at all. Not one second. No, he wouldn't. He would have
01:26:14.420 complimented him on his nipple barbells, which is still really weird. And I don't know why people 0.93
01:26:17.740 don't talk about that more, that Governor Cuomo had nipple rings that you could see through his,
01:26:21.660 you know, flimsy golf shirt. Yeah, I just, you don't remember that?
01:26:26.280 No, I do. I had a comedian who reminded me and it makes me want to like, in the same way you
01:26:30.520 talked about cutting off your peanut, make me want to touch my breasts. It makes me want to like, 0.99
01:26:33.340 no, don't do that. No, get away. Well, don't say on air that it makes you want to touch
01:26:37.300 your breasts because everyone right now who's listening on audio, just stop their car, hit a 0.95
01:26:41.760 pile up and they're trying to switch over to the video feed. Um, now here, whereas if I said that
01:26:46.420 it made me want to touch my nipples, you know, people would just be putting a tarp over their
01:26:49.720 screen. I just, this is really disturbing. I mean in a protective manner, in a get away from the
01:26:53.580 manner, not in a welcoming, like it feels good. All right. Anyway, keep going. No, sure. That's
01:26:57.080 fine. But guess what? With men watching the principles, the same. Do you think, do you think a man
01:27:01.500 goes like, like, Oh no, wait, this is protection. And this is, this is, this is being a little bit
01:27:06.080 quite. No, they're just, it doesn't matter. But that point is, you know what, just take a comp.
01:27:09.620 You can't take a compliment, Megan. You can't take a compliment. That's your problem. Now I am
01:27:16.760 really disturbed by this because you don't just see it from Ken Jeong, but there is a culture of
01:27:20.860 this. There's, there's nothing more bothersome to me than comedians trying to silence other
01:27:25.000 comedians. That absolutely should never happen. There, there used to be an unwritten sort of code of
01:27:31.600 conduct and agreement that even if you couldn't stand everything, this comedians, you didn't go
01:27:37.660 after him and try and try and remove him because of his point of view. You never tried to get a
01:27:41.060 comedian taken off the bill, uh, because of controversial content. Now you might say a guy's
01:27:45.980 a hack and you don't like him, but, uh, this has changed dramatically. And it's also because like we
01:27:50.460 see in other institutions, right? The best way to get ahead is to claim some kind of a victim status.
01:27:54.840 Well, people realize that, you know, second tier comedians and you see this or second tier act
01:27:59.820 like an Amber Heard, you see with Amber Heard, someone who's sort of a second tier actress compared 0.99
01:28:03.820 to Johnny Depp. Oh, this is, this is a fast pass path to victory. So claim to be a victim. You see
01:28:08.620 it with comedians who go, Oh, let me get in on this train and, uh, say that this comedian is a sexual
01:28:13.860 harasser. When some of them, for example, like Aziz Ansari, who I don't even like as a comedian is
01:28:18.260 comedy. Isn't for me had a bad date, but it's a way for comedians to try and sort of,
01:28:23.120 you know, hopscotch other comedians who've paid their dues. And, uh, that's how it started.
01:28:28.060 And now there's just a culture where I, I just can't, you know what Ken Jeong, not only in a
01:28:32.640 comedy circle and by this, by the way, I don't just mean standard comedians. I include improv
01:28:36.760 improvisational comedians, actors. I'm not an elitist with that, but Ken Jeong, what other men
01:28:42.980 just in a circle of guys who are relatively funny and like ribbing each other, he wouldn't be welcome
01:28:48.240 for being an overly sensitive pansy. Yeah. This is the state of comedy today.
01:28:53.420 No, it's too much. It's like, come on, just, you can have one second real laugh at him. And they do,
01:28:57.420 we do it to former presidents all the time who have unleashed all sorts of death and destruction
01:29:02.040 on the world. And we just overlook it. And we have a few laughs because it's about humanity. It's about
01:29:07.120 just like connecting where we can, even with somebody who we don't use political positions. We found,
01:29:11.960 we find hateful. Now, speaking of connecting, here's my nice segue. Speaking of connecting,
01:29:17.420 Mike Tyson connected with somebody in an airplane. And I don't, have you seen this?
01:29:21.060 This is like, this is crazy. So what kind of a crazy lunatic decides to pour water over Mike Tyson
01:29:26.660 on an airplane and continue like needling him? This is what allegedly happened. I don't know.
01:29:31.760 They're in the first class of JetBlue. Does JetBlue have first class? Anyway, um, they were toward the
01:29:36.720 front and, uh, this guy, I guess on the tape just kept something happened and he kept needling Mike
01:29:41.620 Tyson. And then he poured a drink on Mike Tyson and everyone knows what's going to happen. If
01:29:45.800 you pour a drink on Mike Tyson, his water. And I guess we have the video of it, right? Do we?
01:29:50.220 Let's watch what Mike Tyson then did. Yeah, here it is. I'll describe it for the listening audience.
01:29:57.760 He's punching, punching, punching. Very lightly.
01:30:04.120 That blue man flight. We just got beat up by Mike Tyson.
01:30:08.360 Is that the guy who got punched?
01:30:09.400 He's got terrible hair. He, he looks inebriated, right? He's gotta be who, what, what sober person
01:30:17.180 would ever punch Mike Tyson or pour water on him? Yeah. Well, look, here's something too. I mean,
01:30:21.700 I've read the Mike Tyson biography. I've seen his one man show. I mean, I've always just been
01:30:25.340 interested in boxing. Mike Tyson at one point really was an animal. He was a monster in a lot
01:30:29.080 of ways, but if you read about it, he, he would admit that to you because he grew up, uh, in a really,
01:30:33.880 you know, in a horrible, uh, you know, burrow of, of, of Manhattan there. I believe it was,
01:30:36.860 uh, Brooklyn, he kind of jumped around. Uh, but, uh, then he sort of got a handle on it.
01:30:41.380 I mean, this is a guy, keep in mind, Mike Tyson, who just had someone not too long ago,
01:30:45.500 pull a gun on him and he ended up hugging him. This is a guy who came home to, yeah, yeah,
01:30:50.780 that, that happened. Uh, your producer can probably bring it up, but it sort of slips my mind who it
01:30:54.480 was, but this was a story, I think a few months ago, maybe it was a year ago. This is a guy who a lot
01:30:58.880 of people may not know this story though. It's been in the public for a long time. And now they've
01:31:02.220 tried to recirculate it as though it's new. He came home when his wife, you know, Robin, uh,
01:31:06.880 Robin, uh, Gibbons, Gibbons, Gibbons or Gibbons. I think she, I can't remember. There's the,
01:31:11.280 the Washington post lady who's Robin given, and she writes about style and actually is in the
01:31:15.740 Abercrombie and Fitch. And then Robin get Gibbons. I think it's just, yeah. So let's just call her
01:31:21.720 Robin. Yeah. Robin. Uh, but Robin, his wife at the time when they were separated, Mike Tyson came home
01:31:27.220 and she was in the house that he was paying for in the bed that he was paying for with Brad Pitt
01:31:32.360 before he was a star. Oh my God. Brad Pitt. Yeah. And, and Mike Tyson just ended up sitting in the
01:31:37.340 car with him and chatting with him for a little bit because he knew like this, this guy, my wife,
01:31:41.000 my wife just lying bit. He told him that he was single. He didn't know I'm not going to, I'm not
01:31:45.300 going to kill this man. You know, he was just not going to hurt him. So this is my point is this
01:31:49.660 there. Look, you can't just commit assault against somebody because they're bothering you. Uh, I understand
01:31:56.280 that. But I do also think Mike Tyson is famous for a quote saying, you know, social media has made
01:32:00.600 people way too comfortable disrespecting people online and not getting punched in the face for it.
01:32:05.200 And that's the guy you chose to piss off. Uh, if there an assault charge, probably do I think this
01:32:11.120 guy deserved it? I haven't seen all of the video, but I do think there is something to be said for
01:32:16.220 again, between two men. And we treat it different because it's a celebrity. And of course, because this
01:32:21.060 is Mike Tyson was, was one of the greatest fighter, you know, greatest heavyweights of all time.
01:32:24.380 Joe Lewis is number one, great heavyweight of all time. Uh, people disagree with me. They can tweet
01:32:27.920 me at S Crowder. I will make the case. No one's even close. Muhammad Ali, not even the same league
01:32:31.040 as Joe Lewis. But the point here is men do have fighting words. Men do have a line. I'm not saying
01:32:37.480 that this would have crossed that line, but we often act as though celebrities are somehow beyond that.
01:32:42.540 And this is something that I think everyone needs to understand up until very, very recently
01:32:46.280 and still most young boys recently, uh, boys grow up and having twins, you know, having a boy and a
01:32:53.320 girl. I had to have these conversations. Even I realized when talking with my mom about this,
01:32:57.300 uh, you know, who's now a grandma. And I said, you know, one thing that I think you didn't
01:33:01.020 understand fully because she would give me advice on how to deal with a bully versus my dad
01:33:04.820 is that young boys and men grow up unlike most women under the perpetual threat of violence.
01:33:14.200 Constantly. We know that we know every single boy has multiple stories of getting his ass kicked
01:33:19.640 either by a bully or because he was a bully. And this is the way that men sort of learn where
01:33:24.780 that line is. And there is a point where I don't know if he poured water on Mike Tyson. I didn't
01:33:29.360 see that. But for example, if Mike Tyson says, stop bothering me, please leave me alone. And he
01:33:34.140 pours water on him and he insults his mom, something like that. This would be an interaction
01:33:38.100 where if you were with someone who you knew and in private, not in public life, you'd probably be
01:33:43.120 coming to blows. And we've, we've really removed ourself from that. There are still legal ramifications to
01:33:48.200 it. But the law recognizes this to some extent, there is something called assumption of the risk
01:33:53.900 that could be a defense. And if anybody could argue that it would be Mike Tyson. You knew exactly what
01:34:01.340 you were going to get. Steven Crowder, the one and only always so interesting talking to you. You're
01:34:05.160 so funny. Thank you for coming on. We don't do this enough. Thank you for I know it's been a weird
01:34:10.060 schedule, but I'll come back soon. I appreciate it. Love that. All right. You can find him at
01:34:14.080 Louder with Crowder on YouTube on all podcast platforms. As you can see, he's well worth your
01:34:18.700 time. Beyond excited to tell you that next week, Douglas Murray is coming back. He's one of my
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