Why CNN Plus Failed, DeSantis vs. Disney, and What Depp Trial Says About Marriage, with Steven Crowder ｜ Ep. 306
Episode Stats
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1 hour and 34 minutes
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214.19812
Summary
Steven Crowder joins me on the show to talk about why CNN Plus failed so badly, and why it s now the laughing stock of the media world. He also talks about how CNN became a laughing stock in the first place.
Transcript
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Like that woman over there with the designer jeans.
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Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.
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I've got Steven Crowder here who I absolutely adore
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is a debacle unlike any in American broadcasting history.
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become the joke of the journalism world so quickly?
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I used to watch it at night while getting ready for the Kelly file on Fox News,
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where our ratings trounced theirs so badly that I stopped looking at their numbers.
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The only interesting numbers were internal at Fox.
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I never looked at CNN, never mind MSNBC, never.
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But I liked their anchors and I felt like I was getting the straight skinny on most issues.
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The show that preceded my own at Fox, The O'Reilly Factor, was an opinion show.
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So I didn't really rely on that for straight news.
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So you'd never get breaking news on Bill's hour.
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As much as I've had my beefs with Bill O'Reilly, he's an incredibly gifted broadcaster.
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And so it took a lot to draw my attention away from his hour.
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But before my own show, I needed to stay on top of the breaking news.
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First, Jeff Zucker saw dollar signs in his eyes when he saw the Trump pressers and rallies
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that were entertaining, dynamic, unpredictable, and absolutely ratings gold.
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We decided on my own show not to take those rallies, even though we would have benefited
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But we decided not to take the rallies because we knew very well we would not do it for his
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Zucker went a different route, taking each and every one to get some sort of number on
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Then Trump won the presidency and took aim at Jeff Zucker and his coverage, which by then
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Many of the CNN anchors and staff felt it was their mission to take Trump down, that he
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was a uniquely evil politician and covering him required a sacrifice of objectivity.
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Or maybe they just convinced themselves that he was objectively terrible and there was no
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Either way, little by little, they killed their own reputation.
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Night by night, as they mocked his voters, derided them all as racists over and over, misogynists
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and bigots and misled the public on things like Russiagate without ever correcting themselves.
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They telegraphed their hatred, not just for Trump, but for the right half of the country,
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their smug superiority and the right half of the country.
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And indeed, the center, many of whom wound up voting for Trump, heard that message loud
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I know a lot of Republicans who used to watch CNN.
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Maybe they thought Fox had gone too all in for Trump, but CNN became unwatchable.
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It turned into MSNBC without the same intellectual honesty to admit its agenda.
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They took hosts who had a certain kind of benign appeal and turned them into partisan hacks.
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No sane Republican or centrist viewer remained.
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For a while, CNN enjoyed the same ratings boost that Trump brought everyone.
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They helped kill their own cash cow because in the end, ideology was more important to them.
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And the stank they created in their own newsroom remained.
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The public remembered and their ratings never recovered.
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In the first quarter of 2022, CNN was third of the top three in cable news,
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averaging less than 900,000 viewers in primetime, down 56% from 2021.
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Their primetime average in April was less than 700,000.
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I would have been fired so fast at Fox News if I had been averaging anything close to that.
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In the overall number, we were averaging over 3 million.
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And around 165,000 in the key demo of 25 to 50 or four-year-olds, which is the main number they care about,
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because that's what they can base their advertising fees on.
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165,000 out of the 300 plus million people in America.
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The daytime numbers, by the way, are even more dreadful.
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This is too humiliating to show your face at industry cocktail party numbers.
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Only will charge them 60 bucks a year to watch it.
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But the biggest mistake CNN made was thinking their talent had the kind of relationships with its audience that Fox News does.
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They looked at Fox Nation, the digital offshoot of Fox, and thought, we can do that.
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More content from our anchors and hosts who share the same bias of our anchors, and surely the people will come.
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In other words, the anchors will be on there doing other things than news,
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and then we'll hire a bunch of people like Eva Longoria who have the same bias as our anchors.
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But CNN has never had the kind of fan devotion that Fox News has.
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CNN divides its fans with MSNBC, ABC, NBC, and CBS.
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It's just what's on or used to be at the airport.
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And it's what we used to tune into on the big news events because they flood the field with resources.
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They've been riding on the reputation built by guys like Bernard Shaw for years now.
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Conservative media in general has diehards because people are so grateful for something that is unlike the rest of it all.
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A channel or now digital media offerings that pushes back against the open hatred for conservatives or anyone who's a bit right-leaning
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and their ideals from homeschooling to abortion to gun rights to parental rights, free speech, small government, and all the rest of it.
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Conservative media consumers feel a connection to their anchors of choice because they know that they don't look down on them or on this country.
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And that creates a kind of loyalty CNN will simply never know.
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So, no, their viewers did not want more Brian Stelter.
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They did not want Rex Chapman, some guy who started off by co-opting cute dog videos on Twitter and then got very partisan.
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And like so many of the CNN lineup, stayed in that extremely partisan lane.
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They did not want parenting lessons from Anderson Cooper or a talk show from Don Lemon or Chris Wallace, who never pulled a number even on Fox.
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And the lesson here is not streamers are struggling.
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Try at least try to check your extreme bias or at a minimum own it and then balance it out with some kind of ideological diversity.
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When I was in the primetime lineup of Fox, we had Hannity, a conservative, Greta, a Democrat, O'Reilly, a populist, and me, a rightly leaning independent.
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You never knew what you were going to get in terms of opinion or where someone would go on an issue.
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This is a moment for CNN to do some serious soul searching.
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I don't expect any apologies for all the misleading they've done with their audience, but straight news coverage would be a delightful change.
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The new management is suggesting that this is their goal.
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Or CNN, the mothership, is headed for the very same result as its digital offshoot.
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And a lot of people are going to be out of their jobs.
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Back with me again for the full show and with reaction to my opening is the host of Louder with Crowder, my pal Stephen Crowder.
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Stephen, originally you are of the cable news wars.
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You were we were together at Fox News for some time there.
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I don't know that CNN can ever get it back, but I certainly don't think the answer to its struggles that it's been facing post-Trump
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was more of the shitty product that we'd been rejecting for years.
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Oh, it's just weird hearing shitty come out of your mouth.
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Speaking of which, that's why I have the shitty.
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And I'm incredibly self-conscious on air now that I see myself next to you.
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You know, one thing I will say, Megan, is I just pray that they keep Brian Stelter.
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I want to rather than have to, you know, present the leftist argument myself.
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I just want Brian Stelter to be there like a mascot.
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The funniest thing to me that happened at CNN was, you know, they have this new CEO coming in.
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We want to get back to, you know, delivering the straight facts.
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And Brian Stelter, you know, you heard the rumblings everywhere it was reported, said,
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I mean, I'm hearing he might be getting pushed out.
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I mean, once Chris Cuomo was gone, we lost like at least 15 percent of our of our sketches.
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But there's such a so many, you know, victim statuses.
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If you're African-American, if you're gay and then they kind of jockey for position.
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If you're trans, you know, in the LGBTQ, you kind of rearrange it like a conjunction junction sort of schoolhouse rock thing.
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But so I have to be careful with Don Lemon because, you know, he's a gay black man and it's just anything I say can be, you know, it'll it'll somehow be a hate crime.
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So which is literally what he said when Jeff Zucker got fired, he went in the air and was like, I just want to remind everybody that I'm a black gay man who Jeff Zucker put on the air.
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It's like as you're thinking about firing people and the old boss is going, I just want to remind you in case you weren't aware that I'm black and I'm gay and I'm in the prime time.
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Exactly. In case we've forgotten, at the same time, Brian Stelter wanted us to be reminded that he's super heterosexual.
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Yeah, I it's like me going on the air and being like, I just want everyone to remember that I have lady parts.
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I've got lady parts. Just FYI, in case you're wondering, I've got them.
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Boy, you can get away with anything here on Sirius, Megan.
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It's a whole new you. I'm seeing a whole different side of you.
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I will say, though, I didn't get started on cable news.
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You know, I got started, you know, acting and stand up comedy, really, which sort of took me full circle doing.
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And the most embarrassing thing was I had to do a Kwanzaa rap on that show.
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Arthur is one of the friends. And yeah, I was a kid and I knew that Kwanzaa was bullcrap.
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I just did a little bit of research. I thought, well, this is an African holiday.
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And I'm reading the court document. And he committed sex crimes.
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This is what I have to talk about. And I brought up some producers.
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Like, well, you have to because it's a multicultural Christmas special.
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I said, OK, fine. But I didn't stand up and I was early and early adopter with YouTube.
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And that sort of is what took me into Fox News.
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And I will be the first to say it was not the world that I was supposed to be in.
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It was a constant back and forth with the second floor.
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And it was it was no one's fault there. I had no business being there.
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It just sort of happened because I went on and had a few debates.
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And then they scheduled me a regular debate segment with Bob Menendez is the senator's daughter.
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And next thing I know, I'm on cable news just because I was the only sort of person with that point of view coming from my background.
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And I got to tell you, you know, I was I became disenchanted with all of it.
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There are some great people there. But, you know, peeking behind the curtain, not not everyone is is who they always appear to be.
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And and for me, that was, you know, that was pretty disappointing because it was one thing I assumed that everyone was a piece of crap in the entertainment industry because I'd worked in it long enough.
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And I kind of thought I went in wide eyed and maybe a little bit, you know, earnest with sort of the conservative media sphere.
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And I mean, I think I think I think people I think people know what I'm what I'm saying without saying it.
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You know, the news industry is different than the entertainment industry, but they're they have some similarities.
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And I do think big egos and a general attraction to crazy personalities is a common theme.
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Like there are a lot of lunatics drawn to both professions, people who are working something out, people who want to be famous as opposed to actually act or in the news business actually deliver the news.
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And I remember when I was young at Fox, I don't know, I guess maybe I won't say who said this to me, but it was an older, distinguished gentleman there.
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There are a lot of silly girls running around Fox News and you're not one of them.
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There are a lot of people in news in general who go because they want to see their faces on TV.
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Or in Hollywood, they're trying to work out some burning hole that their parents created in their bellies.
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And they think that that industry is going to make it better.
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And I think in both instances, it ends in ruination.
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Yeah, no, I think that wasn't the direction I was expecting you to go when you said an older gentleman at Fox News said, you know what I like about you?
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But I guess, you know, in the realm of, you know, comedy, which we've gotten back into me and Dave Landau since the pandemic.
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We're incredibly grateful because there's a craving for this content.
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But as a comedian versus, you know, being really sort of a conservative commentator, it would be fully expected for me to be, you know, hanging from a nice Windsor knot in my double tree.
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Well, I'm just saying people expect people expect comics to be nuts.
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I'm a little bit of an anomaly there and that I'm not someone who is, I think, cynical about everything.
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And I think this is one thing that I always sort of, you know, with a lot of people in media.
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And this is both both Fox News and MSNBC and not everybody.
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But sort of the same thing you even see with Bill Maher.
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It's you know, it's it's it's a day late and a dollar short where I'm always watching it going, OK, is there is there a little bit more?
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You know, is there are you going to give me some insight here or are you going to give me maybe some additional resources?
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I mean, that's why with with our show, I don't know of any other show where we basically post a bibliography every single show.
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It's two hours live and it goes on the Web site and you can check every single link and every single I am the person who does.
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I actually click on them and they're legit and they take me to good places.
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I appreciate if you notice, too, unless it's an exclusive story from a conservative site, we almost always try and use PubMed.
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We almost always try and use an objective source or a left leaning source if we can, just because I think it stems from the fact that I was I was raised in a socialist, effectively a socialist province of Quebec.
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People who are Canadian out there know what I'm talking about.
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And so I was always looking for resources and they weren't readily available to me in French Canada.
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You know, you have you have liberals and then you have liberal separatists, basically.
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So coming to the United States and seeing people in conservative media, I always sort of wanted someone to provide what it was that I was looking for.
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And I think that's probably what you're seeing with CNN.
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You know, you really only know how to be successful at whatever it is that made you successful.
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I mean, this is why you'll see some some great, great athletes who don't make great coaches.
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You can't teach a God given, you know, 40 inch vertical or whatever it is, depending on which athlete that we're discussing.
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And you'll see some people who are sort of middle of the road athletes who worked really hard, become great coaches.
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But generally, if you're successful at something, you sort of try and copy paste that right with someone else.
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And with CNN, in that case, you know, I think they said with CNN Plus, hope you like more crap.
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That's the problem, right, is it's like I didn't even know about a lot of the stuff they were putting out.
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Eva Longoria had a show over there who like and apparently they were launching it with reruns of Anthony Bourdain's show.
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And I mean, when you are launching a new product with the shows of a guy who's been dead for several years, you know, you're in trouble.
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And look, my favorite person at CNN is Jake Tapper.
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But of the CNNers, I think by far he was the most fair guy.
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I feel bad that he has to go to work every day and used to have to be next to somebody like a Chris Cuomo or now a Don Lemon.
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Because when he signed up to go to CNN, he and others like him, they're thinking they're going to the most trusted name in news.
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But at least you had sort of reputation to fall back on.
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You know, it's like, well, we do the news and we do it straight.
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And it may not be the sexiest thing ever, but it's, you know, it's solid.
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And now now it's like they got surrounded by MSNBC without knowingly joining MSNBC.
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Look, I've always and I've said this going back to 2008 or 2009, which is when I think, you know, Fox News sort of first discovered me online.
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One of the first pieces of content that I put out there was I said, I don't care if you're left.
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I'm going to have a problem with their points of view.
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I have a problem with the ideas that you hear espouse at MSNBC.
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But I have no problem with someone letting their freak flag fly saying, hey, we're basically Marxists.
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I have no problem with people at Fox News or people on AM radio.
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I don't believe that anybody truly can be unbiased.
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What to me, the unforgivable sin is lying to me about it.
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And CNN is consistently lying because they think that they are actual my God journalists.
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I mean, when you see, and I use him as an example, but Brian Stelter really, really wants to keep that facade alive.
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And the only way that these people can really survive and what's most disturbing to me, Megan, is sure.
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And if you want to get into the business aspects of that, you know, I've sort of made this this this work before pay content really was working.
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And we have an unbelievable viewership and just a support base entirely in the demo.
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But what I do think is important to note is I see I see them sort of circling the wagons and their only game plan is ingratiating themselves to those in power.
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And then you have what at one point was considered new media.
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But it's really only five companies when you're talking about it.
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They run Google, YouTube, and then you have Facebook, which is also Instagram, Twitter.
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You can add Amazon and Apple in there because of the app store and the platform.
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But these people control ninety nine percent of the distribution of information.
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And then there are really four four multimedia conglomerates.
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When you're talking like ABC, Disney, NBC, Universal.
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And what you see is this unholy alliance of of legacy media, knowing that they are going to die.
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You have YouTube start changing their algorithms.
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They're not saying, well, hey, we're censoring content, but they have fact checking that removes one point of view.
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They no longer really have genuinely trending pieces of content because that's where independent content creators just blew people like CNN away.
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We'll also create an algorithm that favors regular uploading.
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Well, once upon a time, independent content creators.
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If you only have an editor or two, which is most programs on YouTube or sort of big new media, I'll use that term, big tech, new media interchangeably.
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Well, you're lucky if you upload once a week or twice a week.
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They say our algorithm is going to favor uploading two, three, four times a day.
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Well, the only people are left are the people who spend the big advertising dollars with them.
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And that's the four or five multimedia conglomerates who are dumping money into four or five big tech companies.
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And by the way, they all are on speed dial with this administration, with the White House.
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And you see it no more clearly than I don't know.
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I don't know if you've seen his sort of I mean, it's not even a chyron, but he has a rotating sort of background.
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It just for no reason shows the Facebook icon, the Twitter icon, the YouTube icon.
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It's not plugging his Facebook or YouTube or Twitter.
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And it's it's it's like begging, please kill me last.
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It's like a bat signal for a coward to the most powerful companies.
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And I watch it and I get chills down my spine because I know exactly what's happening.
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Well, he's also like, you know, they call him the hall monitor and he is sort of like the hall monitor in the school who annoyed everybody who's kissing the teachers butts.
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And the teachers in this case would be big tech.
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And he's in there kissing and kissing away and trying to shame the rest of us into doing journalism the way Brian Stelter would like it done, even though Brian Stelter has never been a journalist.
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He's like he's never done anything other than sit there monitoring the hall.
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And we're supposed to explain to me something, Megan.
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I had to ask you a question, but I have my suspicions.
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Brian and I use the reason why I want him still on air and I don't want a single amount.
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I cannot find any really, honestly, legitimate, any fathomable reason for this man to be on air.
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I tried to look into his background that, you know, some people tried to claim that he ran a blog that was like the Perez Hilton of the political world.
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Steve Krakar is my executive producer and he's of this world.
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Which was a moderately New York Times for a year.
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And then and now he's never done anything, really.
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I mean, honestly, all he did was blog about journalists.
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And then he's consistently been abysmal in the ratings.
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And by the way, you're seeing new and improved Brian Stelter.
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If you look at a picture when he was younger, it's I'm sorry.
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But Megyn Kelly, I think, you know, that as a fetching lady that does that does bode well when it comes to on air content.
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You can be on serious, but I'll still be, you know, old network television.
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But Brian Stelter, you're seeing new and improved Brian Stelter.
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This is more attractive, Brian Stelter, than when he got that deal.
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Well, for a while, I thought that one of the reasons Jeff Zucker was there is, you know, like I looked at Chris Cuomo and these other people and I thought, what's happening?
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Why is Jeff Zucker not firing any of these people?
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Why did why does Jeffrey Toobin still have a job?
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Don Lemon, all these guys embroiled in these very ugly scandals.
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And I said, so they've got something on Jeff Zucker.
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There's no reason he wouldn't be getting rid of Jeffrey Toobin for masturbating publicly in a Zoom call for The New Yorker.
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And, you know, as it turns out, yeah, they they did.
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It's just so Jeffrey Toobin thing is just I didn't even want to make.
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A guy who can't control himself, not only can't control himself for the length of one Zoom call, but doesn't have the forethought to use a sticky note for crying out loud.
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They blame you, the American viewer, for sowing mistrust in our institutions.
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The institution of the guy spanking it on a Zoom call.
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And then you bring him back as your legal correspondent.
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This whole institution deserves to be burned to the ground.
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So that reminds me of what Barack Obama just said.
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All we see is a constant feed of content where useful, factual information and happy diversions and cat videos flow alongside.
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This is the party doesn't like lies, conspiracy theories, junk science, quackery, white supremacists, racist tracks, misogynistic screeds.
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And over time, we lose our capacity to distinguish between the two.
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Like, I feel like he has to go more work than he actually is.
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But I do believe he believes in like when he says junk science and quackery.
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That's that's people like Rochelle Walensky and Anthony Fauci telling us the masks work.
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Oh, the vaccine is going to prevent you from getting covid.
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It's like, sure, I'm all in favor of cracking down on quackery and junk science, but I don't
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think we have the same definition of what needs to go.
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And when we have something now, you know, for a while, the left would try and sort of
00:27:20.460
sidestep legitimate science and they would do this appeal to authority fallacy, sort of
00:27:28.480
But now they just have decided to lean into it.
00:27:31.180
For example, they used to try and separate sex and gender.
00:27:34.120
That's not that's that's a that's a bullshit argument.
00:27:36.360
Just so people know, modern gender three separating it from sex.
00:27:39.720
Gender was really more of a grammatical term of someone who speaks French.
00:27:49.960
That could no longer apply because they didn't call Rachel Levine the first four star woman.
00:28:00.100
Now, when you're looking at Leah Thomas, look, sports are not separated by social constructs
00:28:04.760
for the same reason that you have high school and college wrestling meets that are separated
00:28:16.560
And now they're saying, well, no, you can be whatever sex you want.
00:28:19.560
So they're just leaning into what only five years ago they would have claimed was anti-scientific,
00:28:25.320
but they still wanted to accuse you of being a bigot.
00:28:27.380
So this is one of those things where it's it's it's not even close.
00:28:32.500
You know, they want to say anti-science with conservatives because you just don't believe that the
00:28:37.300
Kyoto Protocol, which is now the Paris Accord, will actually stop the world from, you know, warming
00:28:43.420
one point six degrees the next century or God forbid, AOC's five page Green New Deal taking over two thirds
00:28:51.900
If you don't believe that, if you don't make that logical leap, but no accountability when they say
00:28:56.940
there is no male or female, which they used to say four years ago, as well as male and female are separate
00:29:03.000
for man and woman. Not anymore. Sex and gender are the same. You can see it in sports and you can see
00:29:08.380
it with how they labeled Rachel that, you know, the the Dee Snider lookalike. I'm Rachel.
00:29:15.240
Rachel. Oh, no. By the way, the nerve of Barack Obama trying to lecture us on lies and how pernicious
00:29:23.640
they are. The guy who if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor,
00:29:27.240
you can keep your doctor, which we later found out he knew at the time he was repeating it over and
00:29:31.720
over was false. He knew for years. I didn't call it a lie for years. I said he claimed this. It
00:29:36.640
turned out not to be true. That's as far as I would go. Then there was a long report about how
00:29:40.580
he knew all along you were not going to be able to keep your doctor or your plan. And you just lied
00:29:44.500
to try to get this very controversial Obamacare through, which didn't have the support of the
00:29:48.820
majority of the people. And for the first time in history, he shoved an entitlement down our throats
00:29:52.900
that did not have majority support. And now he wants to lecture us on lies. Thanks, but no.
00:29:58.420
All right, Stephen Crowder, we've got to talk about Amber Heard and Johnny Depp because you've
00:30:02.860
been doing such interesting coverage on this. Why Stephen says this is an important case for men's
00:30:08.900
rights right after this very quick break. Don't go away. Love Stephen Crowder. More with him in a
00:30:13.820
second. All right, Stephen. So you've been following the Amber Heard Johnny Depp trial. He is suing her
00:30:24.440
for defamation. We did an in-depth report on this last week or the week that the trial opened.
00:30:30.680
And I found it really interesting. OK, so he's claiming she defamed him because in a Washington
00:30:34.720
Post op-ed, she talked about herself as an abused woman and how she faced the wrath of the country
00:30:41.220
when she came out as an abused woman. It was a very clear reference to Johnny Depp, even though she
00:30:45.500
didn't mention him. They were married for a short time. It was completely tumultuous before,
00:30:50.880
during and now after. And I would love to hear your take. My take so far on this is she claims
00:30:57.060
he abused her. She does have good evidence that he hit her at least once. And the evidence is
00:31:05.580
overwhelming that she hit him and abused him all the time. So like you could make a case on his side
00:31:12.820
that he was wrongly defamed because she painted herself as like a traditionally abused woman who's
00:31:19.700
just like, you know, I have no power. And meanwhile, the evidence so far has been
00:31:22.940
pretty overwhelming that she was extremely physically aggressive toward him in a disturbing
00:31:27.460
way. Yeah, well, I would actually like to hear what it is that that you think is super. And I don't
00:31:32.600
mean this in a derogatory way. I haven't seen anything convincing that he hit her. I've seen sort
00:31:37.520
of circumstantial evidence a little bit. The therapist says so. The therapist says that he he
00:31:43.100
committed violence against her and the therapist was his witness. Right. OK, so there's so the
00:31:47.600
therapist's witness. But the therapist, I guess, also said that is it the therapist or the physician
00:31:51.720
who said that she hit him and that she admitted to him? It's the therapist, the counselor. You know,
00:31:57.020
they saw it. Is it the counselor? Marriage counseling before they got married. It's never
00:32:01.700
a good sign. OK, but they did. And she's but she said it was mutual abuse. She said Depp may have
00:32:07.940
initiated it on occasions that I'm less sure on. But when asked if there was violence from Depp toward
00:32:14.280
Amber Heard, she said yes. So but I mean, look, she was there because she could testify to the
00:32:19.240
violence that Amber perpetrated on Johnny Depp. So my own feeling is, OK, I guess she did get.
00:32:24.740
But how does some sort of what I'm remembering is how did the therapist know that the therapist was
00:32:28.980
a therapist? They sat there and admitted it. Well, they sat there and admitted it.
00:32:32.680
That's my problem. That's my problem is you get men very often. This does happen and it's very common.
00:32:37.780
You know, I mean, there's a whole there's a whole special on on on wrongful confessions,
00:32:41.400
right on false confessions. You get people who are mentally abused. You get people you're just
00:32:45.280
talking about a few hours of interrogation and they'll fess up the things that they didn't do.
00:32:48.500
Now, the difference is on tape admitting you're going to make me like defend her. And I don't
00:32:52.360
really want to be in that. No, no, no, no. I'm not going to do it. But what I'm saying.
00:32:55.440
But no, no, he is on tape saying that he denies that it was a headbutt, but he's on tape
00:33:00.740
admitting that he he claims in an effort to stop her from hitting him. He he did something just short
00:33:05.640
of a headbutt. Yeah, I don't think no, no. He was talking about restraining her. That's what we're
00:33:09.720
talking about. Yeah, that's very that's very different from her punching him in the face.
00:33:13.060
So that's what I'm saying. If that's the only proof that we have, that's not the same as
00:33:16.060
being an aggressor. And, you know, Jordan, a few things to sort of get into here. And I
00:33:20.400
know people use the term men's rights. I mean, you know, rights are rights. But in this case,
00:33:24.520
look, I have a lot of young men who watch this show and what I genuinely struggle with as a
00:33:29.680
Christian who really does believe and advocate the institution of marriage when I'm referring what I'm
00:33:34.440
really referring to. And I've sort of had to decouple this is the biblical sort of,
00:33:38.420
you know, definition of marriage versus the state getting in and screwing up because it's a contract
00:33:43.560
right now that doesn't make sense for a young man to make. And that's why you're seeing fewer and
00:33:48.760
fewer young men wanting to get married. So in certain states, someone like an Amber Heard
00:33:52.980
could have never worked, could leave cheat on someone like a Johnny Depp and take half. Now,
00:33:59.220
I will say I don't believe that restraining a woman who was violent from what I had heard on
00:34:03.340
these tapes where that's where she put nail polish and faked like he broke her nose.
00:34:06.300
I don't think that's the same as her admitting to him unbeknownst to her that she's being recorded
00:34:11.860
that she punched him. And here's the thing to a woman who behaves that way. And I mean,
00:34:16.320
by behave that way, I mean, go, Oh, okay. So I punched you. I hit you like that. I didn't punch
00:34:21.920
you because I was too busy hitting you go to the world and tell them, see who they believe.
00:34:25.940
That's that doesn't appear to be a woman who's afraid of being abused. A woman who takes,
00:34:30.120
pardon me. Well, use Johnny Depp's. You know, I noticed that there was, there was a poop on my
00:34:35.540
bed. You know, he's sitting there like, he tries, it's just, he said, well, she had made her grumpy
00:34:40.240
on the bed. I realized it was, you know, I thought there was a mint. It was mostly poop. And you're
00:34:44.880
just sitting there like, this is not a woman who's afraid. And people, she said it was a prank.
00:34:47.800
Let's look at context. Yeah. Prank is something you pull on your friends. Even then I've never once
00:34:51.660
my friends be like, Hey, this is funny, but that's not how you do it. It's gross. It's, it's,
00:34:56.100
it's way over the line. It was the Yorkie Steven. It was the Yorkie. That's her. It was not the
00:35:00.780
Yorkie. That's yeah. Right. But no, she admitted at one point she did admit on the record at one
00:35:05.140
point, it was either her or one of her friends. She said it was a prank. Okay. You pull a prank
00:35:09.360
on somebody who's, I don't know the exact timeline. Mother is very sick about to die or just died.
00:35:15.060
You pull a prank on someone who you just left. You pull a prank on someone who you just mentally
00:35:19.480
abuse. No, that's not when you pull a prank. You only pull a prank with someone you love. It's like
00:35:23.060
comics, roasting people. You don't roast people who you actually hate. So if you look at the context
00:35:27.820
time and time again, best case scenario, best case scenario, you're talking about a mutually,
00:35:33.640
you know, a tumultuous relationship. Most likely scenario is a woman who was absolutely mentally
00:35:39.500
and emotionally abusive and very likely continually physically abusive toward Johnny Depp. And I just,
00:35:47.240
again, I don't see a lot of evidence that he was physically. I don't disagree with that.
00:35:50.920
And I do think that there is reason for him to be very angry that she went into the Washington Post
00:35:57.220
and portrayed herself as just this victim when this story is a lot more complex. I mean, look,
00:36:03.840
reading his texts about her, what he wanted to do to her dead corpse. And like, of course,
00:36:07.860
I have no use for him. I am no longer a Johnny Depp fan. I was never like a huge fan, but I'm like,
00:36:13.060
I have no use for him. And the guy's got such massive substance abuse problems. I mean,
00:36:17.060
like, yeah, they're, they're drug infused wedding. And she does too. I have no use for either one of
00:36:21.980
them, but she wrongfully portrayed the scenario as though she was just his domestic violence victim
00:36:28.640
and, and an innocent one at that. And that is not true, but it's not true. First off, you know,
00:36:34.960
it's, let me give you two things, two for me, most important takeaways. And I'm, I really do hope
00:36:40.600
people take, especially the women watching, take this to heart because this is why men won't marry you
00:36:44.400
women out there now. And women are wondering where all the, no, they're not, they won't get
00:36:47.640
married. And, uh, the reason for it is a couple. Uh, first off, um, this is why men don't get help.
00:36:55.140
We need to change it where everyone comes out after a mass shooting and they say, Oh, mental health.
00:36:58.580
This is why men do not get help. And most men won't go to marital therapy because it can be put
00:37:04.180
on display for the entire world to see. Let's assume that nothing even happened physically violent
00:37:08.540
between them, but a woman just wanted more money. Guess what? They can demand your medical records.
00:37:13.420
All of a sudden that we all know that the civil, the civil court, particularly as it deals with
00:37:16.700
divorce and especially if you're now fighting for child custody, all that goes out the window,
00:37:20.480
no more privacy. So men will not get help. Men watching this who may be struggling with some
00:37:24.780
kind of a mental health issue go, Nope, they have a substance abuse issue. They go, no, I'm not going
00:37:28.900
to, I'm not going to have that used against me. What if this broad leaves and takes half?
00:37:32.020
That's also a problem that we have. This is the only contract that I know of in this country right
00:37:37.740
now that exists with no fault divorce dates, which really means it's the fault of the primary
00:37:41.980
provider. Sometimes that's a woman more often than not. It's a man. Uh, it, uh, it's the only
00:37:47.800
contract that I know of where one side is financially incentivized to break it. In other words, today,
00:37:54.220
if you're a woman or you're a man, but it's, it's rare, it's an uphill battle, even in no fault states
00:37:59.160
as, as, as a man to sort of get the, the, the alimony settlement, but it does happen. So I'm speaking
00:38:02.860
in generalities here. So people understand, but if you're a woman, let's say who comes from meager
00:38:07.500
means, uh, let's sort of separate Amber Heard and Johnny Depp for a bit. If you're a woman who
00:38:11.540
comes from meager means and, uh, you want to get wealthy, you've never worked, you didn't get a
00:38:15.980
degree, you have no skillset, but you're good looking. Your best path to victory is to simply
00:38:20.780
marry a man, leave him and take half. It's a legal guarantee. Now we all like to say that doesn't
00:38:26.780
happen because of love, but we know that's easy to face and we see it. Of course that absolutely does
00:38:32.880
happen. I mean, I'd be lying if I said, I didn't see that happen in many times over. And there are
00:38:38.680
a lot of women who are out there just to get their so-called MRS degree, right? It's like they're at
00:38:42.520
college cause they want to catch a husband or they just want to get married to a rich guy who's going
00:38:45.540
to take care of them. I say, if you're a young woman who just wants to get married to a rich guy
00:38:48.920
to take care of you, you go for it, sister, just be, just own it. You know, like if you, if that's
00:38:53.900
how you want to live your life and you don't are, you're not attracted to working professionally,
00:38:56.660
you just sort of want to be taken care of. Okay, that's fine. You don't have to be ashamed of that.
00:39:00.860
You just have to put your cards on the table. And there are a lot of men who want somebody like
00:39:04.340
that. You know, there's like, typically it's a guy who would be a little less good, good looking.
00:39:07.780
And it's like a trade-off. Okay. I'll get the beautiful woman. And now those don't work out.
00:39:11.300
We all know that, but maybe you get a few good years out of it. Maybe the girl gets a financial
00:39:14.740
settlement out of it. Maybe the guy, I don't know, he gets beautiful children. I have no idea how these
00:39:18.620
people make their decisions, but it's not for me to judge. What I don't like is a, when, you know,
00:39:24.280
entire classes of women are painted with that brush, right? When it's, that's not fair. And then B,
00:39:30.160
when the woman's unfairly painted as a gold digger, when you totally know the guy knew his
00:39:34.820
gold was being dug and was a willing participant in the exercise. Yeah, no, I think you're right.
00:39:40.020
But I think the first part that you mentioned there, I agree. Okay. Leave your cards on the
00:39:43.780
table. Don't throw a fit. If the man proposes a prenup, look, if both of you are working
00:39:47.240
professionals, a prenup shouldn't be a problem for either. When people say a prenup, this is what
00:39:50.840
you often hear a prenup. You're expecting the marriage to fail. Well, it goes both ways. If you don't
00:39:53.700
want to sign a prenup, that means that you're expecting to leave and take half. So I think we need to
00:39:56.940
reform divorce laws in this country. I think we need to reinforce some kind of privacy rules because
00:40:01.580
that's a huge problem, not just with Johnny Depp and Amber Heard, but you're seeing this with social
00:40:05.920
media now. And I'm telling you, I have lots of men who say like, look, I think I love this woman,
00:40:11.080
but I'm scared because this happened to my dad or this happened to my friend. And I'll never go to
00:40:14.940
marital therapy because God forbid it ever be used. It ever be used against me. I mean, Johnny Depp does
00:40:18.980
look. I was not a Johnny Depp fan. I'm sort of the opposite of you where I always thought he was sort
00:40:23.140
of a one one trick pony. Like every single character becomes a creepy gay character. It's
00:40:27.040
like Barbara, creepy gay, Barbara, Willy Wonka, creepy gay, Willy Wonka, pirate, creepy gay pirate.
00:40:30.380
Oh my God. Did he make Wonka gay? I refuse to see the sequel, the redo because I love the original
00:40:34.900
so much. I mean, in the way that Johnny Depp does, you know, sort of like he fakes his, he's from
00:40:39.680
Kentucky and he has like a hybrid, you know, Cockney sort of Southern act. It's like, where does this
00:40:43.960
come from? But my heart started going out to him when I listened to the audio. And I know that he sent
00:40:49.560
these awful texts, but this is also something that I think that, that, uh, women, you know,
00:40:55.320
would do well to understand with men. Jordan Peterson talks about this. We don't always know.
00:40:59.680
A lot of men don't know how to deal with a continually aggressive woman. Right. And like
00:41:06.640
Bill Burr told a joke about it. It's funny. He's like, people say there's never a reason to hit a
00:41:09.920
woman. I can think of like 19 off the top of my head. You just don't do it. Right. That's,
00:41:14.400
that's his joke, but it's true because guess what? If one of my buddies here poops on my pillow,
00:41:19.560
we're fighting. A lot of people don't know that we're fighting because there is a level of
00:41:23.980
accountability with men where you use your words, you know where that line is. And that is how we
00:41:28.640
deal with each other. Now, when that is removed and a woman can be continually aggressive, a woman
00:41:32.820
can be physically aggressive. Like you see with Amber Heard. And we have a society that thinks it's
00:41:37.760
just as violent to restrain a physically aggressive woman. You really do leave a lot of men, uh, as,
00:41:44.320
as, as cornered animals. And then you add on top of that men who are afraid to get help because if
00:41:48.980
they're struggling with issues, it could be used against them. And I really see this is,
00:41:52.960
I'm not going out there talking about men's rights as far as a pickup culture issue.
00:41:56.240
This is something that's bad for women because the institution of marriage is being eroded and not by
00:42:01.420
two dudes getting shacked up, you know, shacking up and at the Folsom street fair, that's not what
00:42:06.480
I'm talking about, but through these laws that take place at the state level. And it's hard for me as
00:42:10.920
someone who truly, you know, believes in the institution of marriage to advocate it as anything other than a
00:42:15.240
losing deal for a lot of young men out there. And that's what I see. Uh, that's what I see is the
00:42:21.380
big issue from this a lot. We're kind of watching it through two different lenses. And I think a lot
00:42:25.800
of women maybe watch it and don't realize how scary of a prospect this is to men who maybe, maybe even
00:42:31.380
don't have money, but they go, Oh, this could happen to anyone because the law says it will happen.
00:42:36.460
And, uh, yeah. And the other thing is like the, their marriage was full. There's all sorts of
00:42:42.940
abuse and any, any woman who's been abused will tell you it can be physical abuse, but it can also
00:42:47.700
be emotional abuse and it can be verbal abuse. And yes, he seems to have heaped some of that
00:42:53.020
emotional verbal stuff on her. She seems like the number one perpetrator in that way as well. I mean,
00:42:58.680
if you look at the testimonial, let's come out the testimony in this court, she was belittling him
00:43:04.280
as she was calling him an effing baby because he would complain about what she did to him
00:43:09.560
physically. I mean, if the, if the shoe were on the other foot, we would never stand for this,
00:43:13.440
right? We would look at him as a total monster. And yet so far that all the headlines in this case
00:43:19.420
are, they seem to be still pro Amber. And this is his complaint. His complaint is that she made
00:43:25.520
these allegations. She set it up with a paparazzi to take pictures of what he says was a fake bruise on
00:43:29.840
her face. There was testimony by the guy, a friend of theirs who saw it, who said that there was no,
00:43:33.300
she had nothing. He didn't, she claims he threw a phone in her face and that she had a bruise on
00:43:38.500
her face. And I saw her right after she says, look right here, right here. And it's like, no,
00:43:42.520
nothing's there. I see nothing. But the claim is that she set up a thing with a paparazzi where
00:43:47.600
she made it look bad. And anyway, he says she ruined his career. So that's what he's alleging.
00:43:51.780
I mean, there's very few Hollywood careers as big as his, and it's not about, he needs more millions.
00:43:56.860
We know he's got a billion bucks. It's just about his reputation and this, you know,
00:44:02.000
the American public's belief in what you are. Yeah. He has kids. You know, he doesn't want his
00:44:06.780
kids to think that he's an abuser. This is something, and by the way, we're not just talking
00:44:10.400
about ruining his career. She threw a vodka bottle at him. And this is something that the physicians
00:44:14.180
at, you know, provide a testimony that Johnny Depp, here's a perfect example to me, kind of what
00:44:20.660
crystallizes this case is people try to argue, well, why did Johnny Depp lie and tell people that
00:44:25.900
his finger got caught in an accordion door? Well, okay. He lied to other people, but at that
00:44:30.560
exact same day, he told the physician what had actually happened, that she threw a vodka handle
00:44:36.600
at him, a handle of vodka. And it actually is what basically severed his finger and required surgery.
00:44:42.500
Yeah. But here's the thing that tells you right there, that's a man who is so emotionally and
00:44:48.020
mentally abused that he's ashamed to admit someone shattered his finger. So he tells the public,
00:44:54.220
you know, the people who aren't, you know, aren't subject to a patient confidentiality says,
00:44:59.680
oh, no, no, I just made a mistake. But fessed up to his doctor. This is what actually happened
00:45:03.820
because he needed to be honest about the injury. That's something that people need to understand.
00:45:07.840
That is the textbook behavior of someone who's emotionally abused. And then, of course,
00:45:13.840
you combine that with a divorce where all of that can be made public. Man, I really, it breaks my
00:45:20.340
heart to see this, this, this happen. It breaks my heart to see. And I think, look, I don't, I think
00:45:24.720
the guy is far from perfect, but what, what is, this is a genuine question to women out there is
00:45:30.140
what is a guy like Johnny Depp to do? If you, or any husband, you punch him and you call him a baby
00:45:38.260
and you throw a vodka bottle at him, breaking his finger and you continually belittle him,
00:45:45.140
you shit in his bed. I mean, you know, then what? Yeah. But I mean, the answer is definitely not
00:45:50.880
hit back. I mean, that's not the answer. But he did hit back. I don't think, look how many times
00:45:54.600
did Humphrey Bogart go, let's just wait to stop. He admitted, I mean, he wrote a note to her father
00:45:59.860
saying, I went too far in our fight and I promise you it will never happen again. He's on record as
00:46:04.040
having said he, he pushed it too far as well. So he's, he's doesn't have, I'm going to, I'm going
00:46:10.400
to tell you, he didn't say he hit her. I haven't seen that anywhere. He said he physically restrained
00:46:14.340
her. And I don't believe that that is the same as a person who was physically assaulted. One more
00:46:19.460
thing that I would like to sort of address here. This is something again, because I know, I know
00:46:23.340
that you have a commitment to this. I don't think we disagree on this a whole lot, but, but truth is
00:46:26.380
important. You know, a lot of people aren't aware domestic abuse occurs at a much higher rate,
00:46:31.340
physical abuse from women against men. I got it. I got to go. Cause I'm facing a heartbreak,
00:46:37.460
but I'm going to come right back to this, but no, to your point, I actually clicked on your link and
00:46:41.380
it supported that statement. And it's just, people don't cover it as much. All right. Stephen Crowder
00:46:45.540
is right back after this break. And we're going to talk about why Abercrombie and Fitch is now woke
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Let's talk about Abercrombie and Fitch. I know you were raising a thing about this and
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you know, the last time I remember about Abercrombie and Fitch is like all the young
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people were wearing it in the nineties. It was like the thing to wear. And next thing I know
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there's a, and then there was some scandal and kind of like faded and they fell into some public
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scandals, sometimes bad headlines about them and their CEO in particular. And now Netflix is giving
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them the documentary treatment, talking about how they've fallen and how that basically they're a
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bunch of racists and now they're woke. So everything is going to be fine again. Uh, hold on. I think
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we have the trailer. Do we have a trailer from the Netflix thing? Yeah. Okay. Watch this. Top five.
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You know that you're getting close when you're hit with the smell of Abercrombie,
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big nightclub beats and bare chested guys. It was such a pop culture phenomenon.
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It was an all American look. And I considered myself an all American girl.
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Abercrombie and Fitch said, we go after the cool kids.
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If they didn't look a certain way, they didn't belong in our clothing. Are we exclusionary?
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So it's basically an Abercrombie, so white type complaint that they were too white and they
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leaned into being too white and that's why they fell. And now they say, um, that they're,
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they're different now, you know, that they're, they've sort of turned over a new leaf and they're
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all about inclusion and they're going to have, you know, heavy models on their page and they're
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going to have people of all different races and backgrounds. What do you make of it?
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Well, you know what's, I'm in this bizarre position today where I'm defending Johnny Depp
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and I'm defending Abercrombie and Fitch. Look, I'm a, I'm a conservative. I couldn't,
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there are a few things that I could stand less. Although one of the most flattering
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and you defended Brian Stelter. Yes. Yeah. Well, that one's okay. Uh, incredibly heterosexual.
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So I, um, since we're talking about Abercrombie, I need to delineate there to make sure,
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but, uh, I will say this one of the most flattering interactions I ever had. I was on a,
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on a date with a girl at this time. Uh, and, uh, we were at an outdoor mall in California and they
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approached me and said, Hey, would you like to work at Abercrombie? That's what they just looked at me and said,
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would you like to work at Abercrombie? And I assume it's because at
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this point I wasn't, I was, you know, uh, I was, uh, decently fit and I was younger.
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I didn't quite look like a catcher's mitt yet, but I was like, Oh, well, thank you. No,
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I hate your store. I find it, uh, revolt, uh, revolting, but, uh, I appreciate the offer.
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So here's the thing. Um, I don't think there's a problem with models being exclusive. We don't
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expect it to be an actual depiction of, of all human beings. That's why they're models. Right.
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And if you watch that, I don't know if you saw that. I don't want to hear anyone complaining
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anymore about how the unrealistic beauty standards only apply to women. Like I'm one green smoothie
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away from looking like somebody at pulse nightclub. And there is something too. I don't know if anyone
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studying the science on this, there's something in the gay, uh, male diet that makes them thin.
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And there's, there's something obviously, you know, with lesbians, it's incredibly fattening.
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That is not true. Some of my closest friends are gorgeous lesbians. They're very fit.
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Oh, I'm sure they're gorgeous. I'm sure they don't shop at Orvis. Uh, no,
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I'm telling you they're gorgeous. I'm going to, if I had a picture, I'd put it up on the board.
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You, you yourself would think about becoming a lesbian.
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Yeah. Well, okay. Yeah, I have, I have thought about becoming sure. Every teenage boy at some point
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is, uh, but here's the thing is, is, uh, a lot of people don't know this to the history about this.
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I haven't seen the full documentary. I'm sure they sort of brush past it. You know,
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Abercrombie and Fitch was a, was a, a sporting goods and, and, and gun catalog initially way back.
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It was an outdoor shop. Yeah. So they, they have changed and they tend to adapt. The problem
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that you're seeing now is sort of like with Disney. Okay. I'll use it as a parallel. You
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have two sides of this issue with Disney and Florida, right? But they just passed this,
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uh, that Disney is no longer going to be able to basically govern itself like its own County,
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right? They've received special privileges because of how big they are in Florida. Now you see people on
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the left saying this is hypocritical because people on the right are now allowing a governor
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to silence people for having a different point of view. And if that was, was actually taking place,
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I would agree, but it's not what you're seeing is Disney trying to overturn the will of the people
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with political power and clout. And you're seeing people from out of state try and come in and
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influence the politics of Florida. And that's not market driven. The, the, the, the LGBTQ AI and Pixar
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is not market driven. Same thing with Abercrombie. This new change is not market driven. It's driven
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from elites in power who say you need to be woke. It's not what Americans want. And then it becomes,
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in my opinion, social engineering. It's not capitalism. Hmm. Well, the Abercrombie thing is
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interesting to me because it's part of a trend. The former CEO, Mike Jeffries in 2006, I guess he spelled
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out his tactics. Uh, this is reading from an article, uh, from CNN. And, uh, he said, quote,
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um, we go after the attractive all American kid with a great attitude and a lot of friends. Again,
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this is from 06. A lot of people don't belong in our clothes and they can't belong. Are we
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exclusionary? Absolutely. Now, in my view, if that's how you want to be as a company, go for it. You're
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not going to get a lot of people who you otherwise could get, but there is sort of this push to sort
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of reject, you know, the traditional thin models and like the, you know, hip, whatever crowd as you're
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the people who'd be on your website. Why? It's like, why can't there be a company like that that
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caters to people who want to, who are attracted to that? And then all the other companies that
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are more inclusive, it's like, we have to shame that group, right? Like if you, if you want to
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promote to like the fit, super attractive model crowd, somehow you're bad and you're racist and
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you're off and they have to do documentaries about how terrible you are. Right. Yeah. And I,
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and I don't have a dog in this fight. I mean, can you imagine me right with my pelvic lines and
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baggy and I guess low waisted jeans, whatever the term is now. I don't know what's hip. I think
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maybe now the trend is going back to Patrick Swayze roadhouse jeans, but chasing you around,
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spraying cologne on you and Abercrombie. Of course not. I don't think I've ever owned a piece of
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Abercrombie clothing in my life. It's the same issue that people have with Captain America,
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with Superman, with the flash. It's like, look, if you want your own, uh, woke lesbian gay store,
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great create it. I think you could even probably co-opt hot topic. No one would have a problem with it.
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The problem is when they take something that wasn't from the ground up designed to be that it's
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like, they say, we need our own heroes. We need our own examples. Good. Have them create them.
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The problem is when there's a social engineering coming from something that is seen as some kind
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of an American institution or something that obviously is, is, um, viewed as a tradition
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in the United States. I don't know that Abercrombie qualifies and you try and co-opt that. It's like,
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absolutely. No one has a problem with you creating your own thing, but time and time again,
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they try this and what happens? It fails. You can see that with Netflix. You can see that with
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Disney. They're, they're, they're going to be suffering more. You can see it with CNN and CNN
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plus. And I guarantee you're going to see it with Abercrombie. This, there could have been a bunch
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of examples, right? You could not pay the average black American to go into Abercrombie and Fitch.
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His friends would have to, his friends would have to wear diapers because they'd be pissing themselves,
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laughing, mocking him for going in around a bunch of white shirtless male models. But if they say,
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well, we need to diversify it. Well, what if black people don't want to buy your clothing?
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What if they would rather go shop somewhere else? They say, well, we need to bring in the lesbians.
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Well, maybe they want to shop at Bass Pro and Orvis. They don't want to go into Abercrombie.
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That's the issue they continually run into. And people try and argue it's the free market. It's
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not. And that's why you see these businesses fail. That being said, I couldn't care less if
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Abercrombie dies in the vine. The place is annoying as hell when I'm going through the mall and it
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sounds like a nightclub. It's just awful. Wait, is Orvis a fishing store? What's Orvis?
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Bass Pro and Orvis? What is it? Yeah, Bass Pro, Orvis. You could throw Eddie Bauer in there.
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You know, the place is a lesbian shop. And by the way, I have no problem with it. Go nuts.
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It's not true. Let me tell you, my friends. I mean, I think technically they would say that
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they're bi. But in any event, they are gorgeous and they're very fashionable. They blow my fashion
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to door. So they're out the door. So anyway, there's always exceptions. Who knows? Let's talk about
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Disney a little bit more, though, because I do think this. Yes, that little crying. That's the
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soundbite of the week. Jen Psaki. I mean, it's either her or President Biden not understanding
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the difference between what's happening at the border and what's happening with his appeal of
00:55:10.280
his loss on the mask mandate, which we can also get to. But the Jen Psaki thing I haven't played yet,
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literally in tears over what's happening with Ron DeSantis and this bill. Well, now it's law down
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in Florida that stands up for parental rights and says you cannot in the instruction of very young
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children push sexual identity or gender identity lessons until they get to pass third grade. And
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then you can then you can talk about it in class in an appropriate way. It doesn't say you can't
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talk about it. It doesn't say if the child says, what do you mean, your partner? You're not allowed
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to say, oh, I have a gay husband. You know, I'm gay and I have a husband. It doesn't say any of that
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says in the instruction, you shouldn't be pushing gender identity and sexual identity at K through three.
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This is how Jen Psaki reacts to that in this interview. She did in this podcast. Listen.
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This is a political wedge issue and an attempt to win a culture war. And they're doing that in a way
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that is harsh and cruel to a community of kids, especially. I'm going to get emotional about
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this issue because it's horrible. But, you know, it's like kids who are bullied. And this is like
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all these leaders are taking steps to hurt them and hurt their lives and hurt their families. And
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you look at some of these laws in these states and it is going after parents who are in loving
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relationships, who have kids. It's completely outrageous.
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OK, going after. For the listening audience, he was now banging his head against his desk.
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And well, first of all, she just shouldn't be sitting in front of a white background. It's
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She's incredibly pale and she has no soul. Look, look. She also went on to talk about
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there's no such thing as transgender children. OK, let's be clear about that. It's not a thing.
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Transgender children. If they are below the age of consenting to sexual decisions,
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they are below the age of consenting to decisions medically that would affect them sexually for the
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rest of their lives. You know what? I didn't know, Megyn Kelly, about my second grade teacher.
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Her first name, let alone her scissor sister. Does anyone actually remember walking up like,
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oh, yeah, well, thank you, Mr. Johnson. Here's my book report. By the way, who are you banging today?
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When these teachers talk about how am I supposed to discuss what do I tell my students about my
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my same sex husband or wife? How about nothing? How about nothing?
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That's a human rights violation now. And by the way, the bill doesn't even say that I would have
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no problem if it did say keep your keep your sex life to yourself. Don't discuss it with our kids,
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whether you're straight or gay. But it doesn't. It just says you will not indoctrinate kindergarten
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through third grade on gender identity where it could not be less age appropriate. Remember when
00:57:59.300
people said it was a straw man when we said they're going to go after your kids? Here we are.
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Yeah. And they said, yeah, they said they weren't doing it. It's like, well, if you're not doing it,
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then why do you care that it's being official, that you're not allowed to do it in instruction,
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not in conversation, not in passing in the instruction that you offer to my kindergartner?
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I don't want to hear anything about any of this. If Doug and I want to talk to our children about that,
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we'll do it. We'll do it in an appropriate age, in an appropriate way. But to me, the thing that jumps
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out about this is the irony, Stephen, of Jen Psaki, who works for this administration to talk about
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the abuse of children and using them in a political culture war. It's like, are you kidding me? You
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you just put masks on three year olds for years, the people least at risk from COVID. And you insisted
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that they keep them on and that they eat outside and that they sit in the rain and that they stay six
00:58:53.520
feet away from one another and that they get a vaccine they don't need when they're over five
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years old to protect them, to protect them from a risk that is not real for that age group.
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And you want to talk to me about what's good for children? You, the administration that's now
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paving the way for top surgery for teenagers and for them to be able to get cross-gender hormones
00:59:12.480
without their parents knowing. And then you want to cry about the abuse the Republican Party
00:59:20.280
Yeah. No, I think, look, I don't I often try to not attribute to malice what can be attributed to
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ignorance. This this is evil stuff. I guess I can say this is evil, evil shit when you're talking about
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not only hormone replacement therapy for not just teenagers, but if you look at if they had their
00:59:37.160
way unfettered, that's always what I tell people is, OK, you have to look at what each political
00:59:42.720
party would have if there were no blockades, if they had a completely unfettered. Well, the doubt for a
00:59:47.640
second we were talking about covid, that the Democrats would have us in a similar lockdown
00:59:51.540
to Australia. No, of course not, because they propose that that's what they wanted.
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There are checks and balances that pulled them back a little bit. If the left had what they wanted
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unfettered, you would have to allow your six year old to go on puberty blockers or potentially be on
01:00:06.080
the route to an actual sex change operation or forfeit your right to your children as taken by the
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state because they believe it's child abuse to not transition your child. This is the mainstream
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platform of the left. People need to understand that people might point to some exceptions,
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but not the platform of the DNC. I can't think of something more evil than that. And really,
01:00:26.120
when you look at their guiding North star and I'm speaking in a generality here, but I'm using
01:00:30.360
the DNC as the example, it all ultimately points to more power of the state. And here's something else,
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you know, to I don't think it requires a conspiracy theorist to say, you know, same sex marriage
01:00:42.700
happened, right? That was the big push. And you were back then you were a Nazi. If you didn't want
01:00:46.500
two guys to get married, okay, whatever. Once that happened, okay, same sex marriage, they have it.
01:00:51.540
You have it now. He had the first president who actually went into office, who was pro same sex
01:00:55.560
marriage, Donald Trump ever, right? Barack Obama was against it until he was for it. So you think
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all these people at organizations like GLAAD, do you think they're going to forfeit all these
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organizations, the hundreds of millions of dollars? No, they have to advocate for something else.
01:01:09.440
And so they had to push for, uh, uh, uh, you know, men taking a dump in the women's bathroom
01:01:16.420
at target. Okay, fine. You have that now there's really nowhere else to go. And there are still
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giant nonprofits with huge, with fast swaths of influence. What do they do? What do they fight
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for? They have to go back to the private sector and work for a living. That's not going to happen.
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And so right now we're looking at children on puberty blockers, right? We're looking at men
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beating the hell out of women in, in biological men, beating the hell out of women in their own
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sports. What is next? And I think that's a very important question. It's not a logical fallacy
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to say a slippery slope. We are on a slope period. If the left has their way on this,
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I think it's a fascinating question. Cause I I've talked to a lot of gay and lesbian friends who have
01:01:58.960
said like, I don't totally get why the T is at the end of LGBT, you know, and the Q and all like
01:02:04.780
the interests aren't necessarily aligned. And in fact, if you look at like the trans activists,
01:02:09.700
like the crazy crit trans and not like normal, like whatever, but the crazy trans activists are
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so vicious and they, they they're basically kind of doing conversion therapy on young gay men.
01:02:21.120
Instead of you're not gay, you're trans. You're secretly a girl. It's better to be trans than to
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be queer than to be, than to be gay. Just, just say that you're a girl and then you can get rid of that
01:02:32.080
whole gay thing. And we're seeing more and more of this. Abigail Schreier writes about it in her
01:02:35.780
book. I've had lots of people on the show talking about it. So there is a question about whether the
01:02:39.880
interests of the gay community are aligned in the way that glad would have us believe and whether
01:02:44.220
glad's lost the real scope of its original mission. Um, the other thing I wanted to mention to you on
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the Jen Psaki thing is she's talking about, she doesn't like the kids being used in a political
01:02:53.740
culture war. And what she really doesn't like is, is, can you believe these, these,
01:02:57.220
these lawmakers going against these parents who only want what's best for their child?
01:03:01.420
Hello. You were the people who sicked the DOJ on parents who are trying to protect their children
01:03:08.880
from this crazy race essentialism in their class with the white kids being told they're inherently
01:03:14.220
bad and evil and the black kids being told they're inherently inferior and weak. Like you were the one
01:03:21.920
who wanted to have Merrick Garland arrest and investigate the parents for trying to stand up
01:03:26.920
against that nonsense again, like the nerve. Yeah. No, you know what else too? This also brings us
01:03:32.720
to the scientific issue while we're talking about children, because again, this is there, there are
01:03:36.200
not, uh, these are not isolated incidences, right? Incidents of children, for example, wanting to be
01:03:40.420
on puberty blockers. And that is the mainstream platform. By the way, I was at a Vermont town hall,
01:03:44.360
I believe four years ago, five years ago where they were teaching us, this was a, this was a undercover
01:03:50.000
right with cameras, uh, how to use, uh, Medicaid. I don't remember if it was Medicare or Medicaid,
01:03:55.120
but how to also use our insurance to get our children on puberty blockers and how to, to get
01:03:59.780
insurance to pay, for example, for, for breast surgery, for male to female children, by the way,
01:04:04.760
it was removed from YouTube. It was removed from YouTube, even though it was a public town hall,
01:04:08.900
but there are only five people who actually showed up. So even at the forefront of this war for a long
01:04:12.880
time, when we're talking about science, and this is what I think really bothers a lot of Americans
01:04:17.860
is okay. Well, for example, I have a good friend right now, um, who, uh, is just was diagnosed with
01:04:23.700
breast cancer and she has to do a double mastectomy. That's what was terrible, but she's going to be
01:04:27.420
fine. What's the first thing they do with women right after, if they do double mastectomy or
01:04:32.100
radiation, one of the first things they do, if they're dealing with breast cancer is some kind
01:04:36.620
of aromatase inhibitor, some kind of an estrogen blocker, right? People know it's a Remedex.
01:04:40.620
Sometimes it's clomiphene citrate. These are drugs that people will be familiar with. Why?
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Because high estrogen levels in women, uh, can be cancergenic. We know that these can actually be
01:04:48.640
create a pro cancer environment. There is no doubt, Megan, none whatsoever.
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That in men, it is even more catastrophic. So when we say, well, we know the science is very
01:04:58.800
clear that if someone has breast cancer, if a woman has high estrogen levels, we need to try and keep
01:05:02.540
that in check as they're recovering from some kind of a breast cancer. Uh, and we know that with men
01:05:06.980
who have cancer, we need to keep that in check because men naturally don't have high estrogen
01:05:10.400
levels. We know this. This is science. When injected directly into the buttocks of a six-year-old,
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however, we don't have any long-term studies. Well, can you make an inference asshole?
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Can you do that? I don't know. Where did science go right out the window? And it does. It pisses me
01:05:25.380
off. And I think it pisses a lot of Americans off. And this is also why they, why there's mistrust in
01:05:30.020
the, the scientific institutions. Well, is that our fault? Is that our fault? When you said that
01:05:34.560
popping an estrogen pellet into an eight-year-old is appropriate and the science is still out
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when we know what it does to the male body. Yeah. And, and to your point that the standard
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of care has now just become to affirm, to affirm. Like if I felt we had a more skeptical medical
01:05:49.460
community still out there that was like, okay, cause I do believe transgender that it is a thing.
01:05:53.900
Gender dysphoria is a thing that can strike. It's very rare. It's exceedingly rare. And you know,
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that just by looking at our history and it's not all because it wasn't just always unacceptable.
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The numbers have skyrocketed. There are way more people being swept up into this than are really
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trans. And we know that from just the detransitioners alone who complain about this
01:06:12.340
medical community that shoved so-called top surgery, which is actually radical double mastectomies on
01:06:17.200
them and other life altering things. But if I thought we had a medical community that would say,
01:06:22.400
we're going to take a real look at whether this is actually a thing for you or whether you're
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suffering from parents who are going through a divorce or you feel socially awkward and you don't fit in
01:06:31.100
and you're looking for something to, you know, sort of glom onto to make you feel special,
01:06:34.120
which happens in a lot of these cases, or you're actually gay. Right. And like I was talking about
01:06:38.460
before, but we don't, the standard of care now is mandated a firm or a top way. You know,
01:06:44.940
what's extinct now? You know, it's an endangered species. Tomboys. Remember those? Some girl who
01:06:49.520
liked to play. She's a tomboy. Really? Well, you, you, you, you really grew into yourself. Good for you.
01:06:55.380
But I know plenty of women who are tomboys and we never would have imagined saying like, no, no, no, no,
01:06:59.740
no. You need to get a fake dick. That's actually what you need to do. A nine-year-old Courtney.
01:07:04.340
This is, but this is where we are. What do you do if you're a doctor today? Think of the questions
01:07:07.960
we were always asked, right? Someone walks in and you go, okay, are you, or let me just leave that
01:07:12.940
blank. What's your height? And what, what, what, what, what, what, what, you know what? Just write
01:07:15.600
down whatever you want and take drugs. Okay. I'll see you later. You can't, you can't ask them
01:07:19.840
questions. Can I tell you something else? I mean, this is kind of dark, but okay. So let's say you put
01:07:25.420
your kid on Puri blockers. Let's say you have a little girl. She's like, oh, I think I'm a boy. And this suddenly
01:07:29.680
comes on, right? Cause the, in all honesty, this has been something that mostly almost universally
01:07:34.800
affects only boys. If you look back at history and not girls. And now the girls are outnumbering
01:07:39.520
the boys and saying that they have gender dysphoria and they think it's a social contagion. And I
01:07:43.300
believe that too, based on Abigail's book and the work of Lisa Littman and so on. But in any event,
01:07:48.340
let's say you have a little girl who says, I'm, I'm secretly, I'm actually a boy. I was, you know,
01:07:52.860
I was misgendered or mislabeled, whatever at birth, you put her on puberty blockers so that she doesn't
01:07:58.400
start developing breasts and she doesn't start growing. And so all that, and then you put her
01:08:02.540
on testosterone for, you know, a couple of years, she's infertile. That child can never, can never
01:08:06.560
have a baby. So if, if like so many, she decides I was wrong, I was going through her phase, she's
01:08:11.220
done. She will never be a mother. And not only that, and again, I forgive me for the graphic
01:08:15.220
description, but Abigail talked about how they start to grow. The clitoris starts to grow into like a mini
01:08:21.760
penis. And I forgive me for the graphic, but it's, she said, it looks like the size, like a,
01:08:26.780
like a baby carrot that can't be undone. That can't be, I mean, good luck. Right. It's like,
01:08:31.920
so now you're a little girl realized she was just going through a phase and you did all that to her
01:08:36.320
before the age of 18. That's disgusting. That's totally child abuse. You like, you could,
01:08:42.040
you really could face charges for doing something as catastrophic to that, to a child,
01:08:45.520
if it were in any other lane. Right. No, you absolutely. Yeah. I mean, if you just,
01:08:50.300
for example, if you just took your son and sat him in front of a microwave so that he developed
01:08:53.700
giant testicular cancer, right? People are like, well, what are you doing to your kid?
01:08:56.660
That's a problem. But when you're talking about doing it hormonally over the course of a couple
01:08:59.940
of years, yeah. Something else here is a lot of people who get sex change operations can never
01:09:05.960
climax, sexually climax. We think that might add to the depression. People don't realize that the
01:09:10.220
attempted suicide rate of trans individuals, and I've talked about this, it's about, it's the same
01:09:14.580
pre-op and post-op. And when people say it's because of how they're treated societally,
01:09:18.280
they have a higher attempted suicide rate than American slaves, than Jews and Auschwitz.
01:09:22.360
We really want to say that in 2022, someone who identifies as a member of the opposite sex has
01:09:27.580
it worse than concentration camp victims. And this is also something that, gosh, we're crying out
01:09:34.800
loud when, let's put it into context too, okay? If we're going down this route and talking about how
01:09:38.680
dark it is. When people say, you know, you can't say that there's any type of mental issues that could
01:09:45.460
be attributed to this here. I want men out there to think of something for a second. Okay. Let's say
01:09:49.940
you maybe don't feel like you fit. All right. Right now, look down at your penis. I want men
01:09:55.440
to actually, now think, put yourself in the shoes. What kind of a mental state would you have to be
01:10:01.240
in? To literally bring yourself right now, what would be required of you to cut that off for the
01:10:10.480
rest of your life? Every guy just winced. It's a really, really severe action to take. And we're
01:10:17.200
acting like it's putting, we're acting like it's just putting a kid on a Z-pack. This is something
01:10:21.340
that is really serious with, with irreversible effects. And there's an unbelievable, so we use
01:10:26.640
this statistic for a long time. And it's a very small sample study of 90 something percent of
01:10:31.020
children, right? Who, if they're not given puberty blockers, if they're not given, you know, not gender
01:10:34.620
affirmed, they grow out of it. That number goes to zero. If you take these medical interventions,
01:10:38.200
it was a small sample study. We were criticized for it because again, this is a really new thing.
01:10:42.240
Well, now there's been a much larger study and we've linked to it. And the number is still about
01:10:46.560
87%, 87% of children who, if they claim they are transgender and you do nothing, grow out of it.
01:10:53.520
That number drops to statistically close to 0% if you take medical intervention. So do we see that
01:10:59.860
anywhere else in the medical community? So this is interesting to me because I'll say this. I, we have,
01:11:05.640
I have somebody transgender in my family and my husband does in his family too. So, you know,
01:11:11.020
we have two in our, in our joint family and the person who's trans in my family says, this is a
01:11:17.900
went male to female says from the time he was two years old, he knew he, he has no memories of ever
01:11:25.540
believing he belonged in a boy's body. Like he knew and wound up fully transitioning. Now I believe him.
01:11:32.380
I didn't know he's a, her, I believe that claim. And I've, I've talked to children, very young
01:11:38.620
children. I did a segment on this on NBC who say that as well. I do believe there's a very small,
01:11:45.300
very small segment of the population that genuinely has this gender dysphoria. I don't know what the
01:11:51.480
quote solution is. You know, I don't know what I would do if God forbid, I had to deal with this
01:11:56.200
in my own family. I don't know how I would handle it, Steven. I do think there's a, there's, there's
01:12:02.360
a segment of the population that deserves a really thoughtful consideration about whether the best
01:12:08.060
thing for them is to allow them to develop into biological women. And so I, I don't know,
01:12:13.220
but I, what I see as a society, that's totally abusing this small population, like what they
01:12:22.320
actually are going through to try to work out all sorts of other issues in ways that are truly
01:12:27.740
catastrophic. And if you raise any objection to the exploitation, right. Of like, what is a real
01:12:34.240
thing for a teeny tiny segment of the population and using it to, to perform these horrible procedures.
01:12:40.140
That mean, these are these like catastrophic procedures, you cut off a boy's penis, um, for
01:12:46.260
people who might not necessarily need it. And then you're not even allowed to, you know, talk about it
01:12:50.560
or you get labeled a bigot or what I like, that's what that has to stop. I feel like people starting
01:12:55.740
to get that. Am I crazy? I know, I don't think you're, I don't think you're crazy. Um, I think
01:13:00.560
that the problem too, like you said, is that then it ultimately leads like Jen Psaki sitting there,
01:13:03.780
you know, crying, um, like Casper, the unfriendly ghost about, uh, parents being bigots, you know,
01:13:08.500
because they don't want to transition their children. Okay. Let me use your personal example,
01:13:12.480
uh, where, uh, I believe that this person you're describing, I absolutely believe that that person
01:13:19.000
believes my belief. Now my approach is, I believe that they believe it. That's legitimate. Now
01:13:24.480
let's match that, match that up with the science and how that informs us as to whether they believe
01:13:30.800
it correctly or incorrectly. You may disagree with me. Is that hateful? Because that's what's
01:13:35.960
being labeled bigoted. And by the way, that was the most, that was the consensus among the medical
01:13:40.240
community for a very, very long time. A lot of people don't know this too, this little bait and
01:13:44.180
switch. You know, the DSM four to the DSM five gender dysphoria was a, was a disorder just like
01:13:49.220
body dysmorphia, you know, like some of the Abercrombie people or bodybuilders, people would
01:13:52.600
become anorexic. It was this unhealthy body image that was unrealistic and didn't match up with reality
01:13:57.920
effectively. That's what gender dysphoria is, uh, was in the DSM four. They switched it in the DSM five
01:14:03.100
gender dysphoria is still a thing, but gender dysphoria now describes the symptoms of, of,
01:14:09.800
of distress associated with being born into the wrong body, but it doesn't really address how you
01:14:17.480
qualify being born in the wrong body. Think of that little switch. And I want to know where the paper
01:14:23.720
is, the scientific paper that reflects it. People can search high and low. It doesn't exist. So this
01:14:29.140
is, again, this kind of ties us back to write CNN plus, uh, you're talking about Disney when you're
01:14:33.220
talking about this administration, when you're talking about, now you're talking about science.
01:14:36.320
I just, I think the biggest problem is not only blaming America, not the biggest problem,
01:14:40.760
but I think the through line here is blaming Americans for being hateful, blaming Americans
01:14:43.740
for being bigoted, blaming Americans for distrust in the government. No, no, no, no. All of these
01:14:48.240
institutions have, uh, self-inflicted these wounds. If you want to blame somebody for sowing mistrust in
01:14:54.080
American institutions, well, I think it's the institutions themselves. And I think that it's equally
01:14:59.220
applicable to the scientific community in a lot of ways, especially if you look at, I don't think we've
01:15:04.320
had a more clear example, Megan, there is value to the fact that we had trust the science, right?
01:15:08.800
For the last two years with the, with the pandemic and the protocols, uh, and the silencing of, of
01:15:14.000
other scientific and medical voices of dissent while simultaneously, this unbelievable acceleration
01:15:20.020
of the transgender movement. We were able to see that happen in real time. And I think a lot of
01:15:25.500
Americans just said, okay, Oh, Oh, I was, I was a little bit, you're full of shit.
01:15:29.980
Yeah. No, it's like, uh, Jim Comey and, um, what's his name? Uh, struck and Lisa page and then
01:15:38.340
Brennan and clapper, all those people did for sort of the national security industry, what Fauci and
01:15:46.960
Rochelle Walensky and the CNN commentator, what's her name? Leo, whatever her name is when what's her
01:15:53.200
name? Uh, Leanna, when what they did to the medical community, right. And, and, and the same doubts
01:15:58.920
that have now been raised by, you know, even lefties about our medical authorities and what
01:16:03.460
they tell to us. Um, it applies in the transgender lane too, because we know, we know, and you're
01:16:08.220
seeing, you're seeing it explode and you're seeing kids who are clearly on the autism spectrum
01:16:12.200
of suddenly saying they're trans and you know, they're not trans. They're looking for a lane
01:16:16.060
to belong. They're looking to something that's going to make them get snaps when they go out onto
01:16:19.960
the stage, as opposed to feel odd or off or what, and it's wrong. It's wrong, right.
01:16:26.360
To go along with what's clearly a delusion on that particular person's part. Yeah, go ahead.
01:16:31.520
Right. All right. Cause you just mentioned, and I really do appreciate by the way, Megan,
01:16:34.380
that you described it as what the national security industry. Okay. So this is true. I've
01:16:39.280
told this, uh, I believe I've told this on air. I kind of had to keep it under wraps, but there was
01:16:42.940
a long, now I don't, cause I don't care. Cause everyone knows who this guy is. So a long time ago,
01:16:47.420
uh, me and a producer, we infiltrated Antifa. This is like maybe 2005, 2016. And, uh, this was in Salt Lake
01:16:52.900
city, Utah, Ben Shapiro was speaking and they handed my producer, uh, an ice pick, a knife,
01:16:58.000
and they were going to get a sawed off shotgun. Uh, and, uh, this was for a Ben Shapiro show. So
01:17:02.420
anyways, we infiltrated them long story short. Some of these people ended up being arrested by
01:17:06.220
local authorities. And it was amazing to me that an ABC reporter there had no interest. We're like,
01:17:09.700
here's the footage. They're handing him a, a, a, a, a bully knife. And they're like, well,
01:17:12.700
we don't care. So what happened is we ended up getting on the phone with a guy at the FBI.
01:17:17.400
Okay. And he said, how did you get involved? Uh, how did you get into this, uh, Antifa, uh, app? And
01:17:21.900
we're like, shouldn't you be telling us this? Like, shouldn't you know this? You know? So we,
01:17:25.900
we thought it was odd and the FBI didn't get involved. There were no arrests that were actually
01:17:30.060
made. But after this for a while, this was our contact at the FBI, uh, who worked, I guess,
01:17:35.960
in their counterterrorism unit. Okay. Was, was based out of, well, based out of Michigan and, uh,
01:17:41.120
was working with us at one point because I needed body armor because they had a lot of death threats
01:17:44.240
and said, well, you know, this body armor is not necessarily legal for sit at for civilians,
01:17:48.040
but for law enforcement, long story short, kind of some loose contact for a while.
01:17:52.040
Lost touch. Guess who was involved with the governor Whitmer kidnapping? You know,
01:17:57.800
we're like 29 out of the 31 people were FBI agents guy named Jason chambers. So it's public
01:18:03.280
record. Now Jason with the Y Jason chambers. This was the guy on a fishing expedition with my office.
01:18:09.340
I think he was looking at me like, these must be extremists. And he just realized that we were
01:18:12.460
normal sort of Christian conservatives and moved on down the trail. But when I read it publicly,
01:18:16.760
I said, Oh shit, that guy was a spy. It could have been us. It could have been us.
01:18:23.500
It could have easily been us. And it could have been me just saying, Hey, someone's trying to
01:18:27.380
kill me. Do you know how I, cause I was ignorant. This was before we had Spartan armor as a sponsor.
01:18:31.620
I was like, where can I find some, you know, some kind of a bulletproof vest for when I'm on stage.
01:18:35.160
And the guy could have baited me just giving me the slightly illegal version of a defensive tool.
01:18:40.880
Luckily we didn't bite. And it really just stemmed from laziness, but actually cheap. I was frugal.
01:18:46.120
You see barking up the wrong tree. I'm just, I'm just your normal, provocative,
01:18:49.860
inappropriate comedian. I, people hate me for just all sorts of reasons. I just do want to live.
01:18:56.780
Jason chambers. I remember going, I said like, I haven't talked to Jason in a while.
01:19:01.000
So what's going on? And then I'm reading an article going, what? So this close.
01:19:07.220
All right. So much more with Steven Crowder. You never know where it's going to go with him.
01:19:10.600
Just like Jason. Uh, when we come back, don't go anywhere.
01:19:18.860
All right. There's still so much to go over with Steven Crowder, including I, I, I don't watch the
01:19:23.240
mass singer, but my team was like, you've got to see this clip. They asked me to be on the mass
01:19:27.900
singer. Politely ignored that. Um, Rudy Giuliani went on it. And I guess the premise of the show
01:19:34.880
is like you sing while masked and people try to guess who you are. And then the judges, I don't,
01:19:38.720
I'm not, I don't totally understand. But in any event, Rudy Giuliani was revealed as the guy
01:19:42.800
inside of what was a parrot costume. I think here is the big reveal where the, the female,
01:19:49.360
the blonde who's on the judging panel, who I think used to sing the song. Am I right? Do we know you
01:19:55.080
guys? Did she sing it? Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me? Right? Is that
01:20:00.840
the one? No, there's a different blonde. Well, anyway, this girl thought it was Robert Duval.
01:20:06.900
Oh, she doesn't recognize Rudy Giuliani. Watch this.
01:20:18.800
Oh my goodness. Former associate attorney general, former mayor of New York city.
01:20:31.220
Okay. So it's the girl from Pussycat Dolls. I think it thought it was Robert Duval. Then there's
01:20:49.100
Jenny McCarthy saying, Oh my God. Then Ken Young, Ken Young, uh, storms off. He's pissed. He leaves
01:20:56.900
because he's so mad that the mass singer would put on Rudy Giuliani. What if anything, do we make of
01:21:04.260
this? Are you asking me? Yeah. Do you have any thoughts on this? No, I just find it funny that
01:21:08.720
even to you, all blondes look alike. And you made that mistake. Uh, you just confused two blonde
01:21:14.960
singers. You just, you need to check your, your own prejudice there. Well, I just found out about
01:21:18.840
this Nicole. I didn't know that's who she was. She's actually got dark hair, but she, I know that song.
01:21:23.540
I was just singing it with my daughter. Don't you really? Your girlfriend was, yeah. Okay. Keep
01:21:28.440
going. Well, yeah. Now I question your taste in music. I mean, I'd rather you just, yeah. Rather
01:21:33.420
than sing that song, just give your, you'd be better off giving her puberty blockers. That's
01:21:36.700
almost abuse. Um, I just, you know, Ken, and I also appreciate, you know, you're trying, this is what
01:21:42.300
happens with white people when we try and get into like Ken Young, Ken, it's Ken Jeong. It's fine.
01:21:46.520
And that's why I just pronounce it the American way, because I see what you're trying to do there.
01:21:51.280
I'm going to step in and save you, Megan, because I don't mind stepping on that landmine. I do it
01:21:56.460
all the time. And I just say it the regular white way. You know why? Uh, because I was French Canadian
01:22:01.220
and I watched the mispronounced stuff all the time. My mom still does it. People think that
01:22:04.460
Americans are the only ones who do it the white way. I don't know. It's like, I have no idea.
01:22:10.460
When people are like, uh, Mr. Jimenez, it's like, just shut up. Okay. You just, just, just shut up.
01:22:15.580
Just say Jimenez, just say it the way that you want to say it as an American. It's fine. They do it
01:22:19.180
with us. Ask them, ask them to pronounce Crowder. They can't do it. That reminds me of, uh, when I
01:22:24.120
studied abroad in Italy, I, people were like, Oh, where are you studying? They'd ask me in, in
01:22:27.660
Italian. And I'd say, Oh, I'll have an university. And then instead of just saying Syracuse, I'd be
01:22:32.760
like Syracuse. And I'm like, what am I doing? Syracuse is pronounced Syracuse. Like I'm from
01:22:37.360
Syracuse. I know how to say Syria. Why am I putting it in an Italian accent? So I corrected. Yeah.
01:22:41.500
And then they laughed at you, uh, because you're from Syracuse and they just said, at
01:22:45.740
least it's not, uh, Cleveland. So you've had that. Wait, wait, stand by. Cause actually
01:22:50.960
we have the walk-off as well. Watch this. Okay. Here to perform unmasked. Oh my goodness.
01:22:55.880
And for all the artists formerly known as the Jack in the box, ladies and gentlemen, put
01:23:02.440
your hands together. I'm not a parent. Rudy Giuliani. I broke a thousand hearts before
01:23:11.400
I met you. And I'm done. I break a thousand more babies before I am through. And now he's
01:23:19.400
walking off. Ken Jeong is walking off. I know him from the bachelor party, right? He's the
01:23:26.160
Ken Jeong. The hangover, I think is what you mean. Hangover. There we go. The hangover. Yeah.
01:23:29.900
You can see, I don't have any of my cultural references. Correct. Anyway, he couldn't, to
01:23:33.320
me, it's like pathetic, right? It's the whole show is kind of funny. They Sarah Palin was
01:23:37.340
on it. It's like, so you've got to be offended. Cause it's Rudy Giuliani. You can't stand there
01:23:41.200
and just have a laugh and just like make light of it and have a moment where despite all the
01:23:44.840
political differences, we can, I just have a laugh for a minute. No, no. And this is what
01:23:50.400
else. Look, I mean, he would have, he wouldn't have walked off if they opened that box and rather
01:23:55.980
than the former, uh, you know, times man of the year, America's mayor in a parrot costume.
01:24:01.000
If it was some doctor performing transition surgery, I guarantee he wouldn't walk off.
01:24:05.400
Or an abortion doctor. Right. An abortion doctor. It's what bothers me most is he's a,
01:24:11.280
he's a comedian, right? This is a comedian. And to not understand, first off, this is a very silly
01:24:16.120
show. So it's not like he's coming on there, pushing a point of view, even if you disagree
01:24:20.500
with, you know, mayor Giuliani, even if you disagree with everything that he believes this
01:24:24.940
is him in a parrot costume in a box and a comedian can't handle it. And again, this brings us back to
01:24:30.660
these ideas of institutions. This brings us to the entertainment industry, right? Think of you go
01:24:36.140
back to the Dean Martin roasts, Don Rickles, you even go to the nineties, even go to the early aughts
01:24:41.340
where it was at least risk respected. At least comedians were thought to be thought provoking. At least
01:24:46.480
they were thought to be able to mock the King, right? The court jester, at least it was encouraged.
01:24:50.500
And now there is a culture of, of thought policing and comedy. And I was talking about this for a
01:24:56.060
long time. It's a big reason I started to hate standup comedy, uh, because someone who was coming
01:25:01.500
up younger and I would deal with these clubs or these colleges who would say, you can't say that
01:25:05.120
joke, even though it was a clean comedian, they would say it was offensive. I would talk about this
01:25:09.460
with other comedians. They would say, no, no, no, that's never going to happen in comedy, right?
01:25:12.460
This is the last bastion of free speech. Well, here we are. You saw them try and do it with Dave
01:25:16.260
Chappelle. If someone is powerful enough, they can't succeed. But you see right here,
01:25:21.000
a comedian so thin skinned that he can't sit in the mere presence of the person who was once the
01:25:27.940
most popular mayor in the entire country. And why? It's because Giuliani represented Trump. It's
01:25:33.360
because he pushed Trump's election claims. That's the reason because I mean, listen, I can get,
01:25:38.120
it's not Vladimir Putin, right? It's like that. Okay. I can get this. He's in the middle of killing a
01:25:43.040
bunch of innocent people in Ukraine. That's the problem. However, it's not Vladimir Putin.
01:25:46.760
It's Rudy Giuliani who pushed an electoral claim that Ken Jeong did not find persuasive and thought
01:25:51.280
was specious. I get all that. But you tell me whether Andrew Cuomo, if he had popped out of the
01:25:56.960
jack in the box, he wouldn't have left. Andrew Cuomo killed 15,000 seniors with his order, making
01:26:01.740
them all go into nursing homes, rubbing elbows with one another when they were COVID positive without
01:26:06.620
one care. He's never apologized for it. He doesn't take any responsibility for it. He would not have
01:26:10.720
gotten up and walked out over that at all. Not one second. No, he wouldn't. He would have
01:26:14.420
complimented him on his nipple barbells, which is still really weird. And I don't know why people
01:26:17.740
don't talk about that more, that Governor Cuomo had nipple rings that you could see through his,
01:26:21.660
you know, flimsy golf shirt. Yeah, I just, you don't remember that?
01:26:26.280
No, I do. I had a comedian who reminded me and it makes me want to like, in the same way you
01:26:30.520
talked about cutting off your peanut, make me want to touch my breasts. It makes me want to like,
01:26:33.340
no, don't do that. No, get away. Well, don't say on air that it makes you want to touch
01:26:37.300
your breasts because everyone right now who's listening on audio, just stop their car, hit a
01:26:41.760
pile up and they're trying to switch over to the video feed. Um, now here, whereas if I said that
01:26:46.420
it made me want to touch my nipples, you know, people would just be putting a tarp over their
01:26:49.720
screen. I just, this is really disturbing. I mean in a protective manner, in a get away from the
01:26:53.580
manner, not in a welcoming, like it feels good. All right. Anyway, keep going. No, sure. That's
01:26:57.080
fine. But guess what? With men watching the principles, the same. Do you think, do you think a man
01:27:01.500
goes like, like, Oh no, wait, this is protection. And this is, this is, this is being a little bit
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quite. No, they're just, it doesn't matter. But that point is, you know what, just take a comp.
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You can't take a compliment, Megan. You can't take a compliment. That's your problem. Now I am
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really disturbed by this because you don't just see it from Ken Jeong, but there is a culture of
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this. There's, there's nothing more bothersome to me than comedians trying to silence other
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comedians. That absolutely should never happen. There, there used to be an unwritten sort of code of
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conduct and agreement that even if you couldn't stand everything, this comedians, you didn't go
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after him and try and try and remove him because of his point of view. You never tried to get a
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comedian taken off the bill, uh, because of controversial content. Now you might say a guy's
01:27:45.980
a hack and you don't like him, but, uh, this has changed dramatically. And it's also because like we
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see in other institutions, right? The best way to get ahead is to claim some kind of a victim status.
01:27:54.840
Well, people realize that, you know, second tier comedians and you see this or second tier act
01:27:59.820
like an Amber Heard, you see with Amber Heard, someone who's sort of a second tier actress compared
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to Johnny Depp. Oh, this is, this is a fast pass path to victory. So claim to be a victim. You see
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it with comedians who go, Oh, let me get in on this train and, uh, say that this comedian is a sexual
01:28:13.860
harasser. When some of them, for example, like Aziz Ansari, who I don't even like as a comedian is
01:28:18.260
comedy. Isn't for me had a bad date, but it's a way for comedians to try and sort of,
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you know, hopscotch other comedians who've paid their dues. And, uh, that's how it started.
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And now there's just a culture where I, I just can't, you know what Ken Jeong, not only in a
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comedy circle and by this, by the way, I don't just mean standard comedians. I include improv
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improvisational comedians, actors. I'm not an elitist with that, but Ken Jeong, what other men
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just in a circle of guys who are relatively funny and like ribbing each other, he wouldn't be welcome
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for being an overly sensitive pansy. Yeah. This is the state of comedy today.
01:28:53.420
No, it's too much. It's like, come on, just, you can have one second real laugh at him. And they do,
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we do it to former presidents all the time who have unleashed all sorts of death and destruction
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on the world. And we just overlook it. And we have a few laughs because it's about humanity. It's about
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just like connecting where we can, even with somebody who we don't use political positions. We found,
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we find hateful. Now, speaking of connecting, here's my nice segue. Speaking of connecting,
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Mike Tyson connected with somebody in an airplane. And I don't, have you seen this?
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This is like, this is crazy. So what kind of a crazy lunatic decides to pour water over Mike Tyson
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on an airplane and continue like needling him? This is what allegedly happened. I don't know.
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They're in the first class of JetBlue. Does JetBlue have first class? Anyway, um, they were toward the
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front and, uh, this guy, I guess on the tape just kept something happened and he kept needling Mike
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Tyson. And then he poured a drink on Mike Tyson and everyone knows what's going to happen. If
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you pour a drink on Mike Tyson, his water. And I guess we have the video of it, right? Do we?
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Let's watch what Mike Tyson then did. Yeah, here it is. I'll describe it for the listening audience.
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He's punching, punching, punching. Very lightly.
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That blue man flight. We just got beat up by Mike Tyson.
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He's got terrible hair. He, he looks inebriated, right? He's gotta be who, what, what sober person
01:30:17.180
would ever punch Mike Tyson or pour water on him? Yeah. Well, look, here's something too. I mean,
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I've read the Mike Tyson biography. I've seen his one man show. I mean, I've always just been
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interested in boxing. Mike Tyson at one point really was an animal. He was a monster in a lot
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of ways, but if you read about it, he, he would admit that to you because he grew up, uh, in a really,
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you know, in a horrible, uh, you know, burrow of, of, of Manhattan there. I believe it was,
01:30:36.860
uh, Brooklyn, he kind of jumped around. Uh, but, uh, then he sort of got a handle on it.
01:30:41.380
I mean, this is a guy, keep in mind, Mike Tyson, who just had someone not too long ago,
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pull a gun on him and he ended up hugging him. This is a guy who came home to, yeah, yeah,
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that, that happened. Uh, your producer can probably bring it up, but it sort of slips my mind who it
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was, but this was a story, I think a few months ago, maybe it was a year ago. This is a guy who a lot
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of people may not know this story though. It's been in the public for a long time. And now they've
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tried to recirculate it as though it's new. He came home when his wife, you know, Robin, uh,
01:31:06.880
Robin, uh, Gibbons, Gibbons, Gibbons or Gibbons. I think she, I can't remember. There's the,
01:31:11.280
the Washington post lady who's Robin given, and she writes about style and actually is in the
01:31:15.740
Abercrombie and Fitch. And then Robin get Gibbons. I think it's just, yeah. So let's just call her
01:31:21.720
Robin. Yeah. Robin. Uh, but Robin, his wife at the time when they were separated, Mike Tyson came home
01:31:27.220
and she was in the house that he was paying for in the bed that he was paying for with Brad Pitt
01:31:32.360
before he was a star. Oh my God. Brad Pitt. Yeah. And, and Mike Tyson just ended up sitting in the
01:31:37.340
car with him and chatting with him for a little bit because he knew like this, this guy, my wife,
01:31:41.000
my wife just lying bit. He told him that he was single. He didn't know I'm not going to, I'm not
01:31:45.300
going to kill this man. You know, he was just not going to hurt him. So this is my point is this
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there. Look, you can't just commit assault against somebody because they're bothering you. Uh, I understand
01:31:56.280
that. But I do also think Mike Tyson is famous for a quote saying, you know, social media has made
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people way too comfortable disrespecting people online and not getting punched in the face for it.
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And that's the guy you chose to piss off. Uh, if there an assault charge, probably do I think this
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guy deserved it? I haven't seen all of the video, but I do think there is something to be said for
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again, between two men. And we treat it different because it's a celebrity. And of course, because this
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is Mike Tyson was, was one of the greatest fighter, you know, greatest heavyweights of all time.
01:32:24.380
Joe Lewis is number one, great heavyweight of all time. Uh, people disagree with me. They can tweet
01:32:27.920
me at S Crowder. I will make the case. No one's even close. Muhammad Ali, not even the same league
01:32:31.040
as Joe Lewis. But the point here is men do have fighting words. Men do have a line. I'm not saying
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that this would have crossed that line, but we often act as though celebrities are somehow beyond that.
01:32:42.540
And this is something that I think everyone needs to understand up until very, very recently
01:32:46.280
and still most young boys recently, uh, boys grow up and having twins, you know, having a boy and a
01:32:53.320
girl. I had to have these conversations. Even I realized when talking with my mom about this,
01:32:57.300
uh, you know, who's now a grandma. And I said, you know, one thing that I think you didn't
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understand fully because she would give me advice on how to deal with a bully versus my dad
01:33:04.820
is that young boys and men grow up unlike most women under the perpetual threat of violence.
01:33:14.200
Constantly. We know that we know every single boy has multiple stories of getting his ass kicked
01:33:19.640
either by a bully or because he was a bully. And this is the way that men sort of learn where
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that line is. And there is a point where I don't know if he poured water on Mike Tyson. I didn't
01:33:29.360
see that. But for example, if Mike Tyson says, stop bothering me, please leave me alone. And he
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pours water on him and he insults his mom, something like that. This would be an interaction
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where if you were with someone who you knew and in private, not in public life, you'd probably be
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coming to blows. And we've, we've really removed ourself from that. There are still legal ramifications to
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it. But the law recognizes this to some extent, there is something called assumption of the risk
01:33:53.900
that could be a defense. And if anybody could argue that it would be Mike Tyson. You knew exactly what
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you were going to get. Steven Crowder, the one and only always so interesting talking to you. You're
01:34:05.160
so funny. Thank you for coming on. We don't do this enough. Thank you for I know it's been a weird
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schedule, but I'll come back soon. I appreciate it. Love that. All right. You can find him at
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01:34:24.880
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