The Megyn Kelly Show - Why Elites Hate Vance, Biden's True Condition, and Passive Aggressive Harris Supporters, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Dr. Drew

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.900 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. The coronation of Kamala

00:00:16.820 Harris is in full swing. We'll see if this lasts. As journalists, Hollywood and fellow

00:00:22.940 Democrats circle the wagons around the presumptive Democratic nominee. Following a big rally in

00:00:27.940 Atlanta last night, complete with a Megan Thee Stallion performance. Very classy, very classy,

00:00:34.720 the lyrics of her song. Kamala Harris is suddenly the next Barack Obama celebrity instantaneously

00:00:41.420 after they couldn't stand her 10 days ago. And in the New York Times's words, her event

00:00:47.480 dwarfed Mr. Biden's 2024 campaign events in both scale and enthusiasm. You know who else did that?

00:00:54.260 Donald Trump. But you didn't write about it like that. It comes as we are hearing the guy who we

00:00:59.640 believe, we're not sure, it seems he is, still president of the United States, is being cast

00:01:05.120 in a supporting role at the upcoming Democratic National Convention, relegated to speaking on

00:01:09.880 Casp. Day one. This is supposed to be his convention. It doesn't even get into the primetime

00:01:15.980 Wednesday or Thursday night slots. Meantime, new polling signals a shift in this race in favor of

00:01:22.500 Kamala Harris, as the corporate media continues its onslaught against former President Donald

00:01:28.140 Trump's running mate, J.D. Vance. We're going to dive into it all with our first guest,

00:01:32.880 Bhatia Angarsargan, opinion editor at Newsweek and author of Second Class.

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00:02:30.280 Bhatia, great to see you again. Welcome back to the show.

00:02:32.760 Thank you so much for having me, Megan. It's great to be here with you.

00:02:35.360 Okay, can we just start with the news on what's happened with Israel? Well, we don't know that

00:02:41.780 it was Israel. That's my assumption. But with this Hamas top leader being assassinated in Tehran,

00:02:48.840 this is interesting to me. I mean, I think most of the world suspects Israel because they said we're

00:02:53.460 going to exact retribution for what was done to our people on 10-7, and we know Hamas committed that.

00:02:59.200 Um, this is a powder keg, right? It's a powder keg because Hezbollah is getting, um, a little bit

00:03:06.260 more aggressive and Israel's responding to them. Now we see the top Hamas guy taken out and here's

00:03:11.680 where I want to go with it. Where's our president? Where's the U.S. president? Because normally when

00:03:19.540 the Middle East starts doing its serious powder keg thing, we have a sitting president, reassure the

00:03:26.420 American people, have a meeting with the leaders, try to keep things from boiling over because it's

00:03:31.960 not in our best interest to see that happen. I, as far as I know, we haven't heard from him

00:03:38.120 on anything like this, right? It was Kamala Harris who issued a statement last week after her meeting

00:03:45.060 with Netanyahu. It was a Kamala Harris whose people issued a statement this week after the Hezbollah

00:03:50.480 dust up, not Joe Biden. And even today, Joe Biden has yet to issue a statement on any of this. Do we

00:03:57.540 have a sitting president or don't we? It's such a great point, Megan. Uh, he really does seem to be

00:04:03.700 MIA, uh, carrying on from what seems to have been his modus operandi for the last year, but at least

00:04:10.140 there were sort of symbolic statements that would come out of the White House. And you're absolutely

00:04:15.080 right. Uh, they do seem to have passed the torch already to vice president Kamala Harris, who's been

00:04:21.200 the one kind of taking the lead and making statements about this. We did hear from Anthony

00:04:26.880 Blinken this morning. Um, although his response was really, really awful. Uh, he basically came out and

00:04:34.180 said the U S had nothing to do with this and we know nothing about it. I mean, nothing about America's

00:04:39.700 ally taking out a terrorist leader, nothing about America's ally dealing with America's enemies,

00:04:48.580 right? Taking on our enemies as Americans, which makes us safer in the world. Simply out. We don't

00:04:55.380 know anything about this. We don't know them. This is not on our watch. And basically what he's doing

00:05:00.640 there is reprising the Obama doctrine, which if you recall Obama on foreign policy, by and large,

00:05:07.040 what he sought to do was to weaken us allies and give sucker to our enemies. He had this view that

00:05:13.680 there should be sort of balance in the world. And what that meant was none of America's allies

00:05:19.180 should feel like they were sovereign and independent. He always sought to kind of weaken,

00:05:25.780 take the rug out from under them. And we're really seeing that again, coming out of Anthony Blinken.

00:05:30.140 And I don't think there's any reason to think that a Kamala Harris presidency wouldn't be in that exact

00:05:35.740 same mold. Yeah. Right now we've got, um, Iran's Supreme leader, the Ayatollah saying that Iran

00:05:42.680 considers revenge as its duty. Again, this is the top Hamas leader who was killed, but he was killed

00:05:49.260 inside Tehran. Uh, you've got Hamas's armed wing saying that this will have major repercussions.

00:05:55.380 You've got Iran's revolutionary guards saying this will be met with a harsh and painful response.

00:05:59.720 And, you know, all of this is getting fever pitch. Normally we might see a statement from the

00:06:07.160 president of the United States about reaching out to these leaders in particular in Israel or the

00:06:12.820 connections that we have with Hamas so far, nothing Blinken's not the president. I realized he's got a

00:06:18.580 diplomatic role to play too, but this is a pattern we're seeing now. It's like Joe Biden said, I'm not

00:06:24.000 running for reelection. And we were supposed to just read the quiet part in our heads, which is he

00:06:30.500 secretly resigned the presidency too. And it's a team governing now. So not only is he missing here,

00:06:37.560 he will be, I mean, let's face it. Second shift shrift short shrift at the democratic national

00:06:45.060 convention where night one is fine. If you're a friend or a surrogate for the president, the nominee,

00:06:52.220 but if you are the sitting president whose nomination, this was the, the delegates who will

00:07:01.520 be voting for Kamala Harris voted for him, they he's the one they chose. This is not like a Bill

00:07:07.080 Clinton after eight years, you know, or Barack Obama, where they speak after eight years as they're

00:07:11.400 going out willing. It's amazing to me that to the end, they try to bury him, try to put him in the

00:07:19.360 basement and try to make us forget how infirm he is. But also the ritual humiliation by his closest

00:07:30.320 friends, right? The ceaseless stabbing in the back, um, before he stepped down, you had this feeling

00:07:39.480 like the Obama's and the Clooney's and the Pelosi's of the world wanted him to humiliate himself as much

00:07:46.500 as possible just so they could get him off the ticket, a man who they have been friends with

00:07:51.280 for 50 years, a man who they protected as long as they could keep from the American people, the truth

00:07:59.020 of his state of mind. Right. And I just can't get over that. I mean, you don't have to like Donald

00:08:04.780 Trump, you know, you don't have to be a Republican, but come on. I mean, where are, where's the outrage

00:08:10.520 from average democratic voters, not in the elites and how the man they voted for is being treated?

00:08:18.580 I mean, just at a human level to see an elderly person first sort of pushed to keep going beyond

00:08:28.200 what he was capable of and then ritualistically humiliated again and again and again, for God's

00:08:35.700 sake, couldn't they have put him on, you know, Wednesday? Okay, fine. You don't want to give him

00:08:39.560 Thursday. You can't bring yourselves to give him, you know, a minute of time during this whole

00:08:46.040 justification of Kamala Harris. Fine. But I mean, Monday, really, this is ritual humiliation of Joe

00:08:54.400 Biden for the crime of exposing the democratic elites for number one, not believing in democracy.

00:09:00.940 As you pointed out, Megan, they all voted for Joe Biden and they got Kamala Harris number two for

00:09:06.880 lying to the American people. Right. He exposed the media's lies and perfidiousness by failing to mask

00:09:15.200 his own state of mind better. Right. And then, of course, for exposing the Obama legacy. Right. Obama

00:09:22.340 was the captain of the oligarchy of the credentialed. The Democrats don't just have different values and

00:09:28.760 the Republicans, the Republicans aren't just evil, but they're stupid. Right. That is the that's the Obama

00:09:34.080 legacy. He refused to talk to anybody who didn't have an Ivy League degree. And Joe Biden, with his

00:09:40.240 fumbling, mumbling infirmity, his inability to complete a sentence. Right. He showed up the Democrats

00:09:47.760 as being these frauds who had portrayed themselves as the expert class. We are the side of science,

00:09:55.060 blah, blah, blah. And for all of these crimes for exposing the Democrats for who they really are,

00:10:00.300 they pulled out this massive hook and just pulled him off stage. And now they are intent on humiliating

00:10:06.720 him until his last breath. This just in President Biden has made a statement on X. It reads as follows.

00:10:15.620 Farmers and ranchers work round the clock to put food on our tables and steward our nation's land.

00:10:20.740 They should never experience discrimination in farm loan programs.

00:10:23.860 That's what someone pretending to be President Biden is tweeting about,

00:10:29.580 not the Middle East, not Tehran threatening to get Israel. No, it's about discrimination

00:10:37.840 in farming, which I'm sure is a very interesting topic to President Biden right now. I'm sure he's

00:10:44.120 debating it hotly with his staff. But this is some 20 year olds idea of what's appropriate right now,

00:10:50.080 as we still have not heard from him. OK, so let's talk about the coronation because

00:10:56.900 it's stomach turning. It's so fake. She hasn't done anything to justify this newfound love of her.

00:11:07.600 You know, they Lowry was making the point on the editors like they all went to her because they were

00:11:12.660 forced to. You know, when Biden imploded, she hasn't done anything to come to them to say,

00:11:18.000 let me earn it. And these are the positions I have. And let me dazzle you. Right. No, they're

00:11:23.240 like, eh, we're stuck with you. So we will love you. It's like a forced marriage where, you know,

00:11:29.780 the bride is like, I'm going to try to focus on his gleaming white teeth instead of everything

00:11:35.100 that's around it. Right. Like they have to love her. But it is stomach turning to watch the media's

00:11:42.000 sycophancy around this woman who we know they do not actually love.

00:11:50.400 Yeah, it's so amazing. This is the only way Kamala Harris could have gotten to the top of a

00:11:55.820 presidential ticket. We all know that because we were all around four years ago when her campaign

00:12:01.700 for president imploded before a single vote was cast. Yes. Not like she was close. It's not like

00:12:07.260 she was lady and waiting. She almost got there. It wasn't that it wasn't like Hillary versus Barack.

00:12:12.660 She was she was blown out. They had zero interest in her and her crazy far left positions,

00:12:17.660 which she was running on as recently as 19. Right. That's exactly right. Somebody on Twitter

00:12:22.520 made a really funny joke. They said they said, I am tied with President Vice President Kamala Harris for

00:12:28.300 the number of votes she got for president in 2020, which is zero. And it's so amazing to see her sort

00:12:35.260 of try to go back to kind of Democrat factory settings. Right. Because in order to get ahead

00:12:40.540 in that primary, she went far, far, far to the left. And now she's simply reversing every single

00:12:45.080 one of those positions, which, of course, raises the question that you raised, Megan, which is,

00:12:49.400 OK, so what has she done to make her worthy of this coronation? Right. Which I've been calling

00:12:54.660 the ossification because, right, there's nothing there beyond just vibes. Right. And it's so

00:13:00.620 insulting to their voters. They show such contempt for them. This idea that they don't have to bring

00:13:05.960 out a single piece of policy that she could say, this is my signature. This is what I represent.

00:13:11.600 She only represents their conviction that Joe Biden could not beat Donald Trump. And it's so amazing to

00:13:19.660 me that we're supposed to just buy this after the media lied about Joe Biden and then did this 180 on

00:13:24.820 him, turning absolutely vicious, giving him the Trump treatment to get him off that stage. And

00:13:30.080 now once again, this 180 on a woman who has really brought very little to this ticket and to this

00:13:35.660 moment. It's a really, really amazing thing to see. And I think, you know, people keep saying they keep

00:13:40.220 trying to sell this on MSNBC, that this is kind of 2008 again, that, you know, this is the next,

00:13:45.600 you know, Barack Obama. But I really do think it's ringing really, really hollow at this moment.

00:13:51.180 We're past the kind of apex of the woke movement that tried to pass off this canard that Americans

00:13:58.240 are divided based on race. We have just gotten past that as a society. I don't know if you saw this,

00:14:03.680 but the liberal patriot Rui Teixeira's newsletter came out this morning with data from a new study

00:14:11.300 that showed that the white, white wealth gap, meaning the wealth gap between rich white people

00:14:18.180 and poor white people is now bigger than the black, white wealth gap. Okay. Everybody knows

00:14:25.140 this. The real divide in America is along class lines. It's not along race lines. And so for her

00:14:30.660 to come out the gate and say, what I'm bringing to the table is representation. What she represents

00:14:36.820 is the elites. Right. And I think that this is very, very clear to the American people right now.

00:14:42.140 So I know that you've been writing about this, but that is obviously her narrative and her background

00:14:48.620 versus the background of JD Vance is one of the many reasons they find him so threatening

00:14:55.480 and that he must be destroyed there. You know, you had, uh, this Kentucky governor,

00:15:01.620 Andy Beshear has been going off on JD Vance. We've been playing the sound bites. He's very threatened by

00:15:06.480 him. And he's like, you know, he talks about his origin story. What's that? Normal human beings have

00:15:12.380 a childhood. What's an origin story as if that's not a common term that people talk about. Like,

00:15:18.000 you know, my origin story is really like roots in Kentucky move to middle time. That is something

00:15:22.200 that people say. And the reason they're so triggered by it has in part to do with her privilege.

00:15:30.700 She cannot run on white privilege in this race, not just because of her own background,

00:15:36.840 but also because of JD's. I think that's exactly right. Um, she has the kind of background that

00:15:45.760 really predicts for upward mobility. Her mother has a PhD. They valued education very much at home.

00:15:53.020 Her bio, her official bio on the white house talks about her loving extended family. Um, and these are

00:15:58.960 all of the things that predict for upward mobility in America today. Whereas JD comes out of this

00:16:04.100 broken, broken situation, these broken, destroyed communities in the Rust Belt, which were destroyed

00:16:10.680 by democratic policies like, you know, NAFTA, uh, opening the border, uh, uh, uh, defunding vocational

00:16:18.660 training in schools, you know, thank you presidents, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden. And that's

00:16:23.820 where he comes out of, um, JD Vance is a survivor of domestic violence. There are so many people

00:16:31.440 who look to that, to, to, to that thing that he survived, who are experiencing that right now

00:16:37.780 and seeing that representation and thinking, wow, it can really get better. And that moment at the RNC,

00:16:44.960 where he pointed to his mom, who's been clean for 10 years after struggling with heroin, um,

00:16:51.920 and, and, and president, president Trump stood up for her and joined that tearful standing ovation.

00:16:58.740 Do you know how many people in America were looking at that and thinking, wow, we were forgotten and we

00:17:05.160 were left behind and nobody cared about us. And they tried to hide it with all of this racial language

00:17:11.460 to divide us and look at what can be if we don't give up on ourselves, because that ticket has not

00:17:18.960 given up on us. That really is what the choice of JD Vance represented. I think it was so clever

00:17:26.240 of the Trump campaign to really go in that direction. And it is such a contrast with Kamala Harris. And

00:17:33.980 again, really exposing the ways in which the leftist elites use the language around race as a smoke

00:17:43.100 screen to hide the ways in which they have benefited from the class divide. And the communities that

00:17:50.240 JD Vance comes from have really paid the price. Oh my gosh. That's so well said, but yeah, she's

00:17:56.900 literally written a book on this is called second class. You can see it over her right shoulder on

00:18:00.200 the screen. Well worth your time. But that moment at the convention really is meaningful to me because

00:18:04.640 you could see his mom, Beverly has lived a rough life. You know, she wasn't all dolled up and she looked

00:18:09.780 lovely. I'm just saying that she wasn't like a perfectly quaffed Michelle Obama type, like, you

00:18:15.420 know, Oh, look at me. Um, and they, they put her out there. There was a moment between the two of them.

00:18:21.260 And what was meaningful about it to me was it's not a great relationship. Like JD has been pretty open

00:18:27.520 about the fact that he was an abuse, abused child in many ways. It's not that she was hitting him.

00:18:33.620 It's that she scared him to within an inch of his life. She put him in that car. She drove at

00:18:39.200 excessive speeds and said she was going to kill them both. That's abuse. She, this family strong

00:18:45.400 armed him into not testifying against her with the truth. When she then got charged criminally,

00:18:50.840 she was actively addicted to drugs and then eventually heroin. She was bringing man after

00:18:56.340 man into her home with young children, including a little boy, JD. He was having Pepsi in the baby

00:19:02.240 bottle. He was sleeping in the jeans. He didn't have somebody really looking after him other than when

00:19:08.560 his grandma came into the picture, more full-time mama. And she, she helped JD and his mom stuck

00:19:15.140 around and she helped him with some homework and things like he writes about it all in Hillbilly

00:19:19.480 Elegy. It's not that he loathes his mom, but yeah, I can speak to this personally. When you've got

00:19:25.060 someone in your family, who's got a rampaging drug addiction, it, it ruins them and it can ruin

00:19:33.760 your relationship and it can ruin your family, at least temporarily. And those scars may not fully

00:19:41.100 ever heal. And so it was actually really damn brave for them to put her out there. And JD didn't

00:19:48.320 try to say like, we're all good. We're all good. You know, talking about her, there was a reference in

00:19:52.020 a speech that kind of suggested she's here and you know, it's complicated. And that's terrifying to

00:20:00.080 them because what do they do about you? They look at JD and Trump and their followers and they see

00:20:07.020 deplorables. They see bitter clingers. They see fat losers who are on drugs and they mock them like

00:20:17.580 behind closed doors with their Harvard degrees. They would have nothing to do with these people,

00:20:23.900 nothing, but they know they need some of them to vote for them, right? So they're placed in this

00:20:28.820 impossible position. So they've got to run to their base. Women who love abortion to say he's the

00:20:35.780 devil and he hates you. That's such a good point. Yeah. Um, I've had a very similar thought when

00:20:42.940 members of JD's family came up on the stage at the RNC, you know, and a lot of them had tattoos

00:20:48.860 and other things that you don't usually see on display and the sort of hallowed grounds of the

00:20:54.260 American elites. And it was just incredibly powerful to say, you guys matter. You guys have

00:21:01.880 a seat at the table and you're so right, Megan, about, um, how JD spoke to his mom, um, that implied

00:21:08.760 forgiveness, um, that implied grace, if you will. Right. Um, which I'm sure is very tied to his

00:21:16.840 conversion to Catholicism, which seems to have had a really deep impact on how he sees the world

00:21:21.960 and on how he sees the community that he comes from, um, you know, all of its problems and so

00:21:27.360 forth. I, I totally agree with you. I think that that is really, really, um, dangerous to them.

00:21:32.380 I will say, you know, there's nothing wrong with apologizing for comments that you may have made

00:21:37.020 when you were kind of, you know, less prominent about, you know, women with no children, but I'll

00:21:42.800 tell you why he can't because he said him so many times, the childless cat lady phrase, not so much,

00:21:48.100 but the underlying point he believes it's not the child list. People are bad. I don't think he

00:21:54.460 believes that, but he really believes that there is a need to fight in defense of the choice to

00:22:04.020 procreate. Like he feels like that is under attack by a section of the left that thinks there's some

00:22:12.300 sort of shame and bringing children into this fragile world for mostly for environmental reasons.

00:22:19.000 There may be shame attached to actually doing it. And that the good thing to do would be not to,

00:22:24.320 if you really care about the world and those imagined children, because what are you setting

00:22:28.540 them up for? And he's been attacked by them. And so if you look, go back and look at when he was

00:22:33.700 making these comments, many times he references himself being under attack by these people.

00:22:38.840 And it's because he's getting tired of listening to them tell people that it's irresponsible to

00:22:46.220 have children. And so you can see a guy in a defensive posture, you know, saying kind of F off

00:22:52.220 the future of the country in the world depends on people having children. And these childless cat

00:22:57.440 ladies can STF you. That's the MK version of it. Yeah, I, I, I totally hear all that. My counterpoint

00:23:05.660 would just be the GOP is in its big tent era. You know, it's, it's, it's broadening its doors.

00:23:12.500 There are masses and masses of people who would never have considered becoming Republicans before

00:23:17.580 who now are really considering it. And I think that the posture of the Trump campaign should be,

00:23:24.560 we're not willing to sacrifice a single one, even if they are misunderstanding us. And I would urge

00:23:29.260 people. That's why I think it's really important not to sort of refer to Kamala Harris as a DEI

00:23:33.840 candidate DEI hire. What if there's one person, one black man who for the first time was going to

00:23:40.220 vote for a Democrat, Republican, and is not paying so such close attention, right? He's busy trying to

00:23:45.820 feed his family and Joe Biden's economy, which is very difficult, right? Paying attention with half

00:23:50.460 an ear and it rings hot, you know, oh, I know what they mean by that. You know, why sacrifice even one

00:23:56.000 of those people? We have a country to save, right? I think that should be sort of the posture.

00:24:00.280 And I think that there are a lot of people who traditionally would have been on the other

00:24:04.640 side of some of these culture war debates who for the real economic reasons that Trump is bringing

00:24:10.400 to the table, the really incredible economic agenda to bring back the middle class that the

00:24:15.240 Democrats don't have, right? That is such a winning, winning argument. Trump is such a centrist.

00:24:21.880 When you look at Trump's agenda, you look at the position Trump has chosen on every single issue,

00:24:29.400 Megan, it has 60, 65, 70% among the American people, whether it's abortion, mass deportations,

00:24:37.620 Social Security, Medicare, unions, right? All of these issues, Trump has rediscovered that middle lane.

00:24:45.120 It is such a precious thing to have given back to the American people.

00:24:49.260 And that's kind of where I think the future of politics is. And the fact that the GOP has gotten

00:24:54.800 there, it's a huge achievement. Yeah, there is a moderate in this race. It's not Kamala Harris.

00:25:00.920 I want to go back to the J.D. Vance comments because all over the, you know, where they keep

00:25:06.400 finding more comments along these lines and every day creating another news cycle around them.

00:25:12.200 And it's like, we get it. This is how he feels. And he said it in many places.

00:25:15.400 So today you've got headlines all over the place. Um, Huffington Post and elsewhere

00:25:20.760 excerpting J.D. Vance says, we know the following about women. I don't have my,

00:25:26.580 oh yeah. Okay. Here's, here's this one. Look at this. We have to go to war against the idea

00:25:31.540 that women don't have to have kids. That's how they're representing it. This is actually in a few

00:25:37.440 places we have. They're saying, he said, we have to go to war against the idea that women don't have

00:25:44.160 to have kids. Okay. So we went back and actually looked at the interview that he gave to the

00:25:48.860 federalist in 2021. And we're going to play you his remarks that they based that false headline on.

00:25:55.040 And then I'll tell you exactly what was going on in the media before he made these remarks.

00:26:01.500 Actually, I'll just tell you now, before we go into it, it was 2021. This idea was growing in

00:26:06.260 popularity that to have children was a bad idea. It was irresponsible for the reasons I stated.

00:26:11.240 And he went on the federalist 10 days after mother's day in 2021. And right around mother's

00:26:17.720 day, this messaging was gearing up in earnest 2021. Here's L magazine. Why I can't stop thinking

00:26:23.380 about child-free women. On my fourth mother's day, I find myself more drawn than ever to women who

00:26:29.520 decided against having children. That's a nice mother's day celebration. L 2021 today's parent.

00:26:35.920 I love my kids, but I don't like parenting. And I know I'm not alone. Of course, that fierce forever

00:26:41.860 love is a given, but the actual day in day out vagaries of parenting for me and a growing number

00:26:46.520 of North American moms, that's a hard pass. Okay. There's some other headlines out around this time,

00:26:52.380 the Atlantic two reasons, parents regret having children. Carrie wishes she'd never had them.

00:26:58.420 She spent a few years feeling satisfied as a mother, but now locks herself in the kitchen and wonders

00:27:02.500 who am I? What am I doing here? She can't pursue paid work because she has no shepherd.

00:27:07.800 She has to shepherd her 12 year old and 10 year old to school, as well as the therapy appointments

00:27:11.520 for their disabilities. Carrie, who lives in the UK told me she often fantasizes about visiting her

00:27:15.960 friend Hawaii and never coming back. Here's another one. Buzzfeed right around the same time,

00:27:21.340 15 parents shared why they regret having kids and their reasons why are 100% valid. And then,

00:27:27.680 then comes JD. He goes, he sits on the Federalist, May of 2021, right after Mother's Day and says the

00:27:33.960 following. I also think just to be a little stark about this, I think we have to go to war against

00:27:41.160 the anti-child ideology that exists in our country. A few weeks ago, no Twitter is not real life,

00:27:46.720 but I forget even what caused it, but there was this ridiculous effort by millennial feminist

00:27:54.920 writers to talk about why having kids was not a good thing, why they were glad they didn't have

00:28:01.060 kids and even encouraging people who had had children to talk about why they regretted having

00:28:05.360 children, which of course is like- From Mother's Day book.

00:28:07.800 Yeah, on Mother's Day, which is like psychologically deranged to ask mothers on Mother's Day to talk

00:28:13.120 about why they regretted having children. And what it made me realize is that so much of what

00:28:18.060 drives elite culture is mediocre millennial journalists who haven't gotten out of their

00:28:23.200 career what they thought they would, right? And the thing is, everybody can be an exceptional mother

00:28:28.480 and father. Not everybody can be an exceptional journalist at the New York Times. And not enough

00:28:33.800 people have accepted that if they put their entire life's meaning into their credential, into where they

00:28:40.780 went to school, into what kind of job they have. If you put all of your life's meaning into that,

00:28:47.080 you're going to be the sort of person who asks women to talk about how they regret having children.

00:28:52.420 You're going to be a sad, lonely, pathetic person, and you're going to know it internally. So you're

00:28:57.080 going to project it onto people who have actually built something more meaningful with their lives.

00:29:00.480 I think we have to go to war against that ideology and the people behind it, because we need to say

00:29:05.400 to the people in my hometown, my, you know, I've seen this with, just to be honest with, with my sister.

00:29:10.740 I love my, my, my sister is just the best person. I love her to death. And sometimes, you know, she'll say

00:29:16.700 things to me like, you know, I just, maybe, maybe I should have delayed having kids. Maybe I should have

00:29:21.780 went to school. Maybe I should have did this or that. It's like, Lindsay, you've been a great mom. Your

00:29:25.900 children are happy. They're healthy. You've taken good care of them. You've shown me, I mean, you know,

00:29:30.860 she was my older sister. She took care of me a lot in a very chaotic home. People like my sister

00:29:36.020 should not feel like the cultural messaging is your life is inadequate. The people who are sending

00:29:43.200 that message should feel that their life is inadequate. Pretty remarkable when you hear what

00:29:49.260 he actually said versus how he's being portrayed, Bhatia. It's a lie. What he said in that interview,

00:29:56.080 and you heard the whole context, was we have to go to war against the anti-child ideology.

00:30:00.860 That's being spread. But the idea, the very idea that having them is a mistake for anyone. The

00:30:08.720 attack was incoming on parents. He was defending parents and those who choose to procreate against

00:30:17.140 the attack. He wasn't launching one on people who make a different choice. That's a great point. Yeah.

00:30:24.480 Our mutual friend, Bethany Mandel was texting me about this. She said, you know, people don't understand

00:30:29.080 people who don't have kids don't understand how frequently we get attacked for being parents,

00:30:34.160 how impatient people are with us, how much contempt they have for us, that that is a real thing.

00:30:40.740 I think there's another thing going on here, Megan, which is, you know, J.D. Vance is the very,

00:30:46.500 very young, right? This is a person who had, you know, a very robust online life before ascending to

00:30:52.060 the position that he's in as, you know, potential next vice president of the United States.

00:30:56.860 You know, we will never again not have this situation where somebody was very free-flowing

00:31:02.180 with their words, you know, spoke a lot about a cultural issue that deserved attention and that,

00:31:07.420 you know, he felt passionately about, that deserved to be part of the conversation,

00:31:11.860 that maybe is not exactly how he would have phrased it if he was running for office, right?

00:31:17.040 We are always now going to have that, you know, because our elected officials are going to be

00:31:22.380 getting younger and younger and have more and more of an online record to talk about and respond to.

00:31:29.340 And that is something that we're going to have to get used to. And if we're just saying people are

00:31:32.620 disqualified because of the way that they might've phrased something while being on a podcast,

00:31:37.460 right, while finding common cause.

00:31:38.380 But that's not even what they're saying. That's not what they're saying. They're trying to make it into

00:31:42.460 something other than what it is. They're trying to put an evil spin on it. And this plays right into

00:31:48.520 their long running approach to running against Republicans to make them anti woman, you know,

00:31:55.200 that they genuinely believe that because of abortion. They really believe that if you are

00:31:59.800 pro-life, you are anti woman. You know, even if you're pro baby, like they're running, they're

00:32:04.860 running right now. They're so thrilled. There've been thought pieces on how Kamala Harris, such a

00:32:08.520 badass because of the way she cross-examined Brett Kavanaugh when he was being confirmed the 19 words

00:32:14.760 that changed the whole confirmation hearing. And it was something to the effect of like,

00:32:19.700 can you name me a law that controls what a man does with his body? And Brett Kavanaugh stumbled

00:32:26.480 because he wasn't good in those confirmation hearings. And the, you know, the proper answer is

00:32:30.800 no, because men don't have the privilege of sharing a body with a little baby and growing another human.

00:32:36.300 This is something only a woman can do, which the left won't acknowledge in any other context,

00:32:40.560 but this is only a woman. This is only a woman's job. And the law, the constitution,

00:32:46.580 the Supreme court has constantly acknowledged that the Supreme court has always acknowledged

00:32:50.920 that that's a balancing test. There is a, there is without question a period, even under the Roe era

00:32:58.120 where the baby's rights become legally significant and must be considered in addition to the mothers.

00:33:07.000 That's, that's the Roe era. Anyway, that's not a slam by Kamala Harris. She doesn't know what she's,

00:33:12.420 of course the, a man doesn't have to deal with that. He doesn't create babies. Maybe she forgot

00:33:16.720 that because she is a leftist. All right, let me say one other thing. This is up your alley.

00:33:21.980 They're trying to take a shot at him in class. Like I said, Andy Beshear, he's a, he ain't one of us.

00:33:27.060 This is like silver spoon lawyer whose dad was rich, who, but ain't, ain't, ain't. Oh, okay.

00:33:32.760 I get it. You're a real man of the people, sir. Sure. Sure. Andy. Um, the view decided to take,

00:33:39.620 to take a shot at JD and parrot another attack by Beshear. He's like, he gets a chance to make

00:33:45.400 all his money and he takes a shot at our people as being lazy, which is just so dishonest.

00:33:52.480 Anybody who's read hillbilly elegy or listened to JD talk about where he comes from knows he's got

00:33:57.100 nothing but love for the people he grew up with. He, all he wants is to make their lives,

00:34:02.560 their lives better. That's literally why he became a politician, but listen to these efforts over at

00:34:06.800 the view. No, no, I'm going to, I'm going to pity this man. All right. Remember how, how, uh, Mr. T used

00:34:13.820 to pity the food? Yeah. Pity the food. And who says that people who, uh, don't have children are

00:34:19.080 sociopath. Does that include Mother Teresa and Pope, uh, Pope Francis? They don't have kids. I mean,

00:34:25.740 what is he talking about? Nothing. I'm talking about nothing. Go ahead. To Sarah's clip, to, to, to that point,

00:34:31.640 what's so difficult for me is that he writes this thing, hillbilly elegy, right? About, about sort of

00:34:36.140 growing up poor and, and now he blames the people in Appalachia. That's what I was going to say. But he

00:34:41.340 blames the people for their circumstance. Look, I grew up in poverty. I remember what it feels like

00:34:46.460 to be hungry. I remember what it feels like not to have enough. He's one of those people that wants

00:34:51.040 people to pull themselves up by the bootstraps when they don't have boots. So he has made it out of

00:34:56.200 Appalachia. But he is blaming those people in Appalachia for the structural problems that keep

00:35:02.760 them there. And I think that is the most despicable thing about him. He wrote a really interesting and

00:35:08.360 smart book. About getting out of poverty. And, and, and, and didn't recognize that he isn't out of poverty.

00:35:16.700 Well, he is bereft. He's bereft of morality. He has, he is bereft of morality. He's bereft of

00:35:22.960 spine. Empathy. Yeah. No, he's got a spine. It's just not a good one. Yeah. It's crooked.

00:35:29.460 Well, he is poor in that sense. He's a poor dude. But Trump's a phony too.

00:35:33.460 And I'll just play this one other sound by Appalachia because he was asked questions like

00:35:37.740 this when Hillbilly Allergy hit. Gave tons of interviews, including to me,

00:35:41.780 Major Garrett of CBS News, and he had an exchange in which he said as follows.

00:35:46.700 I think a lot of those, a lot of folks on the left don't appreciate that the people don't want a

00:35:51.700 handout. They don't want government support and they don't from the right want people to talk

00:35:55.660 about the noble entrepreneur. What they want is, is people to recognize the dignity of working

00:36:00.740 people. And I think that what was genius about the politics of Trump's campaign is that he focused

00:36:06.280 on workers and he focused on jobs. It wasn't about the wealthy entrepreneur with a private jet.

00:36:11.460 It wasn't about a government handout. It was about the folks in the middle.

00:36:14.180 And he goes on to explain. If you read the book, what he's talking about is there. Some people do

00:36:21.740 have a mentality of apathy. They grow up the way JD grew up and they feel apathetic and no amount of

00:36:28.320 government money pouring in on them is going to change that. And for that, acknowledging that

00:36:33.240 reality, he's a classless, you know, heartless cat.

00:36:38.700 It's so amazing because my copy of Hillbilly Elegy was, it's the 2018 copy. And so it's sort

00:36:46.300 of festooned with praise from all the same outlets that are now attacking him, you know, the New York

00:36:52.820 Times, the Atlantic, NPR, right? All these places that now refer to him in like the most extremist,

00:36:59.200 horrible terms. And what changed was back then, he was a never Trumper, right? He didn't like Trump.

00:37:05.900 And if you don't like Trump, you can get away with a lot as a conservative in the liberal media.

00:37:10.800 Yes.

00:37:11.080 When he realized that Trump was the one who cared about the middle class, that Trump was the one

00:37:16.580 who offered his hometown the best shot. That was it. They had to do this 180 and turn on him.

00:37:21.820 I want to make a few other points. I think that there is an element to this kind of weird,

00:37:26.960 right? They started calling him weird. First of all, how scary is it how they all parrot each other,

00:37:32.780 right? They're a herd animal. They should be American media. It's so embarrassing because

00:37:38.660 they sound exactly like the politicians they're supposed to be covering adversarially. But let's

00:37:42.360 put that aside. I think there's an element of bullying here, right? Because the idea is we are

00:37:48.460 the ones who confer status. We are the ones who decide what's cool and what's weird, right? It's to

00:37:55.040 make him feel self-conscious. A person who came from nothing, who spent much of his adult life trying to

00:38:01.680 learn the rules of the elites because it is a very different world than the one that he grew up in.

00:38:07.560 And I think the idea is to invoke this enough times in order to make him feel very self-conscious

00:38:12.700 in a very gross way. But also it's so amazing, Megan, how did you notice how last week Trump went

00:38:19.940 from being the biggest threat to democracy we've ever faced to weird? Like there's been kind of a

00:38:26.340 downgrading of the threat posed by the Trump Vance ticket, right? And I think exactly right. He went

00:38:33.460 from exactly. Is he Hitler? Is he weird? And I think that they just, they cannot help but expose

00:38:38.600 how they don't actually take any of their accusations seriously. When they say that J.D. Vance is weird,

00:38:44.780 what they're saying is exactly like you said, Megan, that, you know, those people from middle America

00:38:50.120 struggling to make it in Joe Biden's economy who maybe don't go jogging every day and maybe have

00:38:56.160 tattoos and maybe have addictions and they struggle that those people are weird. Those people are not

00:39:04.200 worthy of our respect and not worthy of dignity. That's what they are saying when they call them

00:39:10.040 weird. And meanwhile, they're campaigning on like inclusion, you know, differences shouldn't

00:39:16.260 separate us. We should be kind. Okay. That what's kind about that. And by the way, I used to tell my

00:39:21.900 kids when they were little, if anybody ever calls you weird, you should say to them in response.

00:39:26.460 Yeah, maybe I am. I hate to be boring. What's it like? That's what you should say, right? Like

00:39:33.180 what are you, what's wrong with being weird and different from everybody else? They're trying to

00:39:38.160 stigmatize him. I do want to show you, I don't know if you saw this. We played it yesterday.

00:39:41.640 Have you seen the ad with the fat men who are clearly like molester types pitting out? Look

00:39:48.220 at this, Batya. This is, this is from a super PAC supporting Kamala Harris.

00:39:52.640 We want the government involved in all aspects of your sex life. Way more involved. Way more

00:39:58.880 involved. When you have sexual intercourse, it should be illegal to use contraception. No pills,

00:40:03.560 no condoms. Your genitals are reserved for procreation. If you freeze 12 eggs, you should be

00:40:09.500 required to have 12 babies or else you're a serial killer. And I'm definitely not a serial killer.

00:40:14.860 Are you? I'm voting in November. I'm voting in November. We're all voting in November.

00:40:19.920 Are you? Because what happens in your bedroom is up to me. Is up to me and my son. Also mouth stuff

00:40:25.820 is a sin. That's what they think of Republicans. None of that comes close to representing Trump's

00:40:34.280 platform at all. And on top of it, that's how they see the Republican voter.

00:40:41.420 That is so disgusting. And you're so right. And I just, again, have to commend the Trump campaign

00:40:46.880 for what they did vis-a-vis project 2025, because what they effectively did was neutralize

00:40:54.020 the only policy agenda item that Kamala Harris could have used against Trump, which is abortion.

00:41:00.640 But Trump came out in support of abortion in 15 weeks. And when Project 2025, which was more

00:41:07.500 restrictive, not much more, but slightly more restrictive, tried to say we represent the future

00:41:12.260 of this administration, Trump effectively said, no, you don't. I represent what the people want. I know

00:41:18.140 what my voters are looking for. It is my job to reflect what my voters want, not what the elites in my

00:41:24.100 party want. And this was such a brilliant move to change the conversation and really take the

00:41:29.560 strongest bow out of the Harris campaign's quiver. Of course, all of her ads have been using this

00:41:36.900 language that she's developed for her stump speech. If you notice, she keeps saying we represent the

00:41:42.140 future where all Americans have a shot or have a part in it. Right. And what she's trying to do there

00:41:49.620 is, first of all, invoke this racial gender identity politics issue, right, to divide people,

00:41:56.300 right? The suggestion is that the Republicans want to exclude certain people from the benefits of the

00:42:01.600 future when the Democrats clearly have no interest in middle America and helping working class Americans

00:42:08.160 of all races who don't agree with their far left social programming. Right. But the idea is also to

00:42:14.820 suggest somehow that Trump is trying to bring us back into the past when the truth is the past that

00:42:19.780 Trump is trying to recreate is, you know, 2019, which was actually a really good year for America.

00:42:25.220 You know, the bottom 25 percent of wage earners saw a 4.5 percent wage increase and the top 25 percent

00:42:30.920 only saw a 2 percent wage increase, which means, Megan, that Donald Trump was the first president in

00:42:36.620 60 years to shrink income inequality in America. Now, that is what he should be running on.

00:42:43.660 The coronation media, however, is doing a good job of persuading Democrats that she is the second

00:42:52.840 coming. And how could you not feel that way if you tuned in to any news channel over the past

00:43:02.120 10 days? I mean, it's amazing the whitewashing of her record, the cover they're running to protect

00:43:09.660 her. And now we're getting polls back to show what kind of an effect is it happening? Is it having

00:43:16.520 today? We've got the latest Bloomberg morning consult poll out headline is that she has erased

00:43:23.660 Trump's lead in several swing states. Now, I will say that this poll does not have the best rating

00:43:29.780 and it has consistently been putting the Biden Trump contest as stronger for Biden than the other

00:43:37.540 polls have. So take it with a grain of salt. But this is what it shows that Trump has lost his leads

00:43:44.900 in Nevada, Arizona and Wisconsin, and that Harris has more than doubled Biden's lead over Trump in

00:43:53.880 Michigan and closed in on his lead in Georgia, where both candidates are currently tied at 47 percent,

00:44:02.040 that she went up in polls in Pennsylvania and North Carolina. Now, I'll also tell you that none of that

00:44:10.740 is matched by the real clear politics average of all the polls, including the polls that have a much

00:44:15.380 better rating than Bloomberg and morning consult. In other words, um, they're Bloomberg showing he lost

00:44:21.160 his lead in Nevada. RCP shows Trump has a four point lead in Nevada. That's the average of all polls.

00:44:26.160 They're showing he lost his lead in Arizona. Real clear politics shows he's up four point two

00:44:31.020 in the average of all polls in Arizona. They're showing he lost his lead in Wisconsin. Real clear

00:44:35.560 politics showed they're tied, but he's up point two percent in Wisconsin and that he's up three point

00:44:43.020 six in Georgia. And in any event, you've got to keep in perspective. But what we're seeing here

00:44:47.100 are the beginnings of what looks like a swing in the swing states in Harris's favor. And it would be

00:44:54.300 one thing about you. If you knew she'd gotten out there, she'd made her points. They had a debate.

00:44:58.940 They thought they fought it out and she was resonating. That's not what's happening. This

00:45:03.980 is an astroturf lift that the media has provided her. Completely. Um, and I wouldn't worry too much

00:45:13.020 about it. I mean, I think that it probably will dissipate, uh, somewhat. I don't think the race can

00:45:17.660 be called anymore in the way that it could have before. But, um, you know, I don't expect this to

00:45:23.140 stick. Uh, there was a poll that came out yesterday that found that Harris is actually

00:45:27.180 polling worse with black voters than Joe Biden was, which didn't surprise me, but surprised a lot of

00:45:32.600 people. Um, Trump is running a very good campaign. Uh, you know, the most hilarious thing that he's done

00:45:39.040 so far is he's about to give a rally in the exact same hall in Georgia that Kamala Harris gave her

00:45:44.780 in yesterday. Um, you know, another one of his very charming, um, moves he's addressing,

00:45:49.980 um, you know, the national association of black journalists today, he's running a nearly perfect

00:45:55.440 campaign. He's keeping the discourse high. He's not falling for any of the traps that the Harris

00:46:00.720 campaign is putting out there for him. Um, if he can keep that up, uh, I, it's hard for me to imagine

00:46:07.460 that this kind of yossification campaign will get that far because voters aren't stupid.

00:46:14.080 You know, they're just not, and they need access to the American dream and they don't have it.

00:46:21.040 And the Democrats have no platform and no agenda to offer them that will help them get there. And

00:46:26.780 I think that that's clear to a lot of people. I mean, immigration remains a huge issue. It is

00:46:33.320 typically now these days, the number one issue for American voters. And that is another thing. Of course,

00:46:38.140 the media is running cover for her on saying she wasn't the borders are. And then if you even take

00:46:41.620 that title out of it, saying she didn't have responsibility for the border when we know that

00:46:45.440 she did, and she acknowledged that she did at the time. And Joe Biden is on tape saying she did.

00:46:50.520 Um, there was an interview on CNN yesterday between Jake Tapper and Elizabeth Warren,

00:46:56.720 who was voted less liberal than Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris was voted the number one,

00:47:02.960 most liberal person in the U S Senate. Uh, and they've now scrubbed that from the internet,

00:47:07.740 not voted, but deemed by this supposedly nonpartisan group that takes a look at voting

00:47:12.180 records. In any event, listen to what Elizabeth Warren said, because we're all trying to figure

00:47:17.280 out who the hell is Kamala Harris. Who is she? And she said a bunch of things when she was running in

00:47:21.320 2019 that she's now disavowed by campaign statement, not her, not in an interview,

00:47:27.400 not a presser, not even in a statement that she signed, just her campaign. So we don't know where

00:47:33.660 she stands on a lot of these issues, but here's Elizabeth Warren trying to enlighten us.

00:47:38.480 By giving the nomination to one of the leaders of the border effort,

00:47:43.180 aren't Democrats doubling down on one of your party's biggest vulnerabilities?

00:47:46.920 Well, let's remember to start with the facts. And that is that border crossings now are lower than

00:47:56.160 they were in the last year of the Trump administration, but recognize, and I know

00:48:01.300 that Kamala Harris knows this, this is a problem that ultimately has to be solved by Congress.

00:48:07.080 We need the tools in order to have more resources at the border, to have more resources in the states

00:48:13.760 that are supporting migrants. And I believe we need to create a pathway to citizenship. All of that

00:48:21.080 is part of what we need to do for comprehensive immigration reform. Kamala Harris will work with

00:48:28.000 Congress and get that done. Okay. So we need to give more money to the illegals and create a pathway

00:48:35.900 to citizenship. And Kamala Harris will get that done. Bhatia, that is a losing platform. If Kamala

00:48:44.080 Harris explicitly endorses that. And also Elizabeth Warren knows it's not true. I can't say that about

00:48:51.720 Kamala Harris because I don't know what she knows, what she thinks, what she believes. She is such a

00:48:56.340 cipher to me because she doesn't give interviews. She doesn't, you know, she changes her mind so

00:49:02.180 frequently, but Elizabeth Warren, like everybody knows that securing the border was accomplished

00:49:08.740 in 2019 by president Trump in 2018 and 2017. It was accomplished by executive action because that is

00:49:17.400 how you secure the border. And when they say that they they're just lying through their teeth. They're

00:49:22.340 trying to spin this narrative that has no legs. And I think working class people are just fed up of

00:49:29.100 being lied to all the time. That nonsense about the immigration rate right now is based on the

00:49:35.640 fact that Joe Biden losing this presidential election, finally issued an executive order

00:49:40.820 to stop the vast majority of the asylum claims coming. And he could have done this at any point

00:49:46.320 in his president. In fact, what he did when he took office was reversed all of Trump's tough on the

00:49:49.740 border policies. So he did that just so he'd give them this talking point so they could say that line

00:49:55.880 that the border crossings right now are down low versus the other four years of his presidency when

00:50:02.820 they've been upwards of 3 million a year. Trump had 400,000 a year. Okay. That's the truth. Stand

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00:51:05.260 So, Bhatia, another word on the polls, just to underscore what Bloomberg News slash Morning

00:51:15.880 Consult found. In Michigan, they're showing Harris is up over Trump by 11. 11. They had been showing

00:51:23.920 Biden up over Trump by five. In Arizona, they're showing Harris up over Trump by two. That would be

00:51:30.260 a five point swing because they were showing Trump over Biden by three. In Nevada, they're showing

00:51:36.580 Harris up two. Again, this would be a five point swing because they had been showing Trump up by

00:51:42.860 three. Now, I don't rule all of this out because not only are they doing their level best to smear

00:51:50.800 J.D. Vance, but they are absolutely lauding Kamala Harris with this praise that we've been discussing.

00:51:56.100 I mean, I'll just give you a little example. New York Times, I mentioned this earlier,

00:52:00.700 celebrating how her event dwarfed Mr. Biden's campaign events in both scale and enthusiasm.

00:52:06.060 Washington Post, it's boisterous. It's energetic in ways the Democratic Party has arguably not seen

00:52:11.320 for years. Even Wall Street Journal writing up how she's offered a high octane blast of dancing and

00:52:18.160 music interjecting fresh energy into the campaign. We're in brat summer, according to CBS,

00:52:24.980 and then there's Claire McCaskill over at Morning Joe with this take on her remarks in Atlanta.

00:52:32.980 It is a remarkable thing that we are witnessing. This is a woman who's been underestimated

00:52:41.660 by the chattering class. I don't think people realize how hard it is when you're constantly

00:52:49.120 interrupted with a lot of emotional outbursts of a crowd and how you pause and allow that emotion to

00:52:58.360 build, to do it with confidence, with a smile on her face. That's the biggest contrast in this campaign

00:53:03.920 now, Jonathan, is that the Democrats are having fun and it's about joy and opportunity and freedom.

00:53:10.560 And the other side is about, you know, cat ladies.

00:53:16.640 The way she paused, she paused when the crowd cheered and smiled. It's amazing. And of course,

00:53:24.140 the Trump rallies are known for being very depressing events. No one's having a good time. I mean,

00:53:29.400 they were a little blue when he got shot in the face. But other than that, I would say the Trump

00:53:34.780 rallies have been actually quite celebratory. This is ridiculous. It's really embarrassing. I mean,

00:53:41.760 can you imagine saying about a grown woman that it's an achievement that she paused to receive

00:53:47.200 applause at a rally for her? I mean, the condescension. It's so embarrassing. The refusal to take her

00:53:55.520 seriously as a politician who has done some things in her 59 years, is it, you know, on planet Earth.

00:54:02.140 And like, it's so condescending. It's so embarrassing. It's so, I mean, it's frankly,

00:54:08.340 pretty racist. The idea that, you know, we cannot take what she says seriously. We have to,

00:54:14.980 we have to experience her at some sort of esoteric level beyond just, did she do a good job at the job

00:54:22.240 she had? Did she keep her word? Was she accountable? Did she represent the American people? Right?

00:54:27.080 Um, there's something about it that's really cringe inducing. And I do think that we are past

00:54:34.400 the place as a society, as a nation where that is enough. I mean, it's enough for the incredibly

00:54:41.840 wealthy white people who apparently now identify as white people who are joining these calls to raise

00:54:48.340 money for her, but I don't think it's enough. They're able to use the W word, both, both W words,

00:54:54.360 white and women. It's amazing.

00:54:57.960 Right. It's so amazing. And it's, it, I mean, it's so funny because throughout the kind of the peak of

00:55:03.140 the apex of the woke stuff, there were a lot of people saying, you know, if you tell people that

00:55:08.700 they are primarily their race and their gender, you're going to have a lot of white people suddenly

00:55:12.980 being like, okay, well, that's my identity. I'm a white person. And you're not going to like that.

00:55:17.140 Right. And that's literally what we're seeing. Now we're seeing people taking on their whiteness

00:55:22.260 as a political identity, but it's okay with the Democrats because they're doing it to become

00:55:28.820 subservient to a person of color. I mean, this is just the most disgusting thing. It's like the reversal

00:55:34.460 of everything that we have been trying to escape from our past that we successfully escaped from.

00:55:40.880 And they know that because they see all of these people of color who are considering voting for

00:55:45.960 Republicans for the first time in their lives. It's so ridiculous. Like no normal black person

00:55:51.940 wants this. Literally none. I've got a bunch of black people who listen to the show. They call in,

00:55:58.280 they write me all the time. They would rather die than have us talk about them or treat them like this.

00:56:05.640 But then, you know, it's not just Harris and Claire McCaskill. It's,

00:56:09.680 you mentioned these white women for Trump. We ran some of this yesterday.

00:56:12.900 Look at this moron, Arielle Fodor, who, if you look at this person's social media,

00:56:17.320 she speaks to everyone like they're five with her lessons about how to be more inclusive.

00:56:23.620 But we all got our first look-see at this gal on her white women for Trump Zoom.

00:56:29.300 Not Trump. Harris.

00:56:30.680 As white women, we need to use our privilege to make positive changes. If you find yourself talking

00:56:36.640 over or speaking for BIPOC individuals or, God forbid, correcting them, just take a beat. And

00:56:43.380 instead, we can put our listening ears on. So do learn from and amplify the voices of those who have

00:56:50.160 been historically marginalized and use the privilege you have in order to push for systemic change.

00:56:57.060 As white people, we have a lot to learn and unlearn. So do check your blind spots.

00:57:05.960 I want this girl to be subjected to 24-7 videotapes of Donald Trump for the foreseeable future.

00:57:11.600 That should be her punishment. She clearly would go nuts.

00:57:15.240 What is she? I mean, I had Stephen A. Smith on the show just yesterday. I guess I was racist when I

00:57:20.140 talked over him and the few times I interjected during his, I mean, who knew that was an act of racism

00:57:25.500 and privilege by me. I'm sure Stephen A. Smith does not see it that way.

00:57:29.840 So the amazing Mary Catherine Ham did a wonderful parody of this woman. Everyone should check it

00:57:35.740 out. It's being very, very, getting the praise it deserves on Twitter. She just absolutely nailed

00:57:42.660 it. It's so good. Everything about this woman is everything that is wrong with the Democratic Party,

00:57:49.840 right? The obsession with racial categories and policing people's language, the infantilization

00:57:58.180 of everything. Everyone is a child or a kindergarten teacher, right? The level of discourse is just so

00:58:05.460 insulting. You have to be so privileged to be sitting there and thinking the number one problem

00:58:12.180 facing this country is that a person of color might get interrupted by a white person. She literally said,

00:58:17.580 God forbid, correcting them. I mean, this is where they are at and this is not where the country is

00:58:23.280 at. It's funny that you said that black people are insulted by this. I keep saying, you know,

00:58:27.320 the Republicans, conservatives, pro-Trump people avoid calling Kamala Harris a DEI hire. It's, you know,

00:58:32.620 what if somebody is not paying close attention, they're put off by it. Just keep it, keep the level

00:58:36.160 of discourse high. And I've also heard from multiple black friends who said, why pull punches? You think

00:58:41.740 you're protecting us? We think it's disgusting too. Of course, she's a DEI hire. He said he's only going to

00:58:46.440 hire a black woman. You think we like that? It's so insulting to us. So I've also heard sort of the

00:58:51.080 other side. I still think I'm right, but I've heard that side too. No. So it's, I mean, I really,

00:58:57.040 I would love to speak with this Arielle, but on the other hand, I won't because she seems kind of dumb,

00:59:02.860 but she's entertaining, highly entertaining. And they all sat there on that call, like, yeah,

00:59:06.840 like snaps right on Arielle, right. BIPOC. You can't correct a BIPOC. They just like the women,

00:59:12.980 when you're born with the vagina, it gives you the truth telling gene and the black vagina or penis

00:59:19.040 gives you the, I'm never wrong gene. Who knew? Okay. You'll learn something every day on the MK show.

00:59:26.180 So speaking of affectations, here's Kamala Harris yesterday in Atlanta, unveiling what appears to be

00:59:35.500 a new accent. Okay. She's from California. That's not how she talks. So I don't know whether

00:59:57.460 that was an appeal to Southerners or whether she thought that was an appeal to black Southerners.

01:00:02.420 Either way, if Donald Trump did it, it would be a story for days on MSNBC.

01:00:08.660 It's so true. And I think one of the main differences between them is Kamala Harris is

01:00:14.360 very, very much a chameleon. We don't really know much about her. She's been in the public eye for a

01:00:19.220 very long time, but it's very hard to say who she is or what she is. Donald Trump is always 100%

01:00:26.000 himself. And I think that that authenticity is why he's been gaining a lot of support with young people

01:00:32.000 who famously have a very strong BS meter and really don't like, you know, when people come

01:00:38.000 off as fake. I will say, I think both of these candidates are incredible dancers. I would not

01:00:44.320 be opposed to a little bit of a dance off at the next debate, but the thing that makes Trump-

01:00:48.820 Trump's-

01:00:48.840 His moves are all-

01:00:49.660 This is Trump.

01:00:50.780 He's got- The thing about him is he's being himself, right? Like, even in his dancing,

01:00:57.920 you can tell that he's not- He doesn't care what anybody thinks. He's being Donald Trump,

01:01:02.700 right?

01:01:03.160 Look, I am in a glass house. I can't dance at all.

01:01:05.240 I think that that's that contrast, right? I mean, there's a lot of split screens going

01:01:12.520 on here. The elites on the left taking a duly elected candidate, shoving him off the ticket

01:01:20.240 and replacing him with somebody else, right? Versus Donald Trump sidelining the elites, right?

01:01:25.740 The elites in his party wanted Nikki Haley. Forget it. He blew her out of the water. The elites

01:01:29.980 with the Project 2025, he was like, this is not my thing, right? Big split screen there in

01:01:35.100 whether you're speaking for and to the people or for and to the elites. But I think this

01:01:39.560 authenticity question, even if you don't like Trump, you have to give him that, that he is

01:01:45.160 very much himself all the time. He's never dishonest about where he's coming from. He's

01:01:50.500 never dishonest about what he's planning to do or planning to say. And I think that that compared

01:01:54.580 to this kind of elite, chameleonic, you know, factory settings Democrat that we have in Kamala

01:01:59.400 Harris is going to play a big role in the election.

01:02:01.600 Hannity, he used to say, Trump doesn't get in trouble because he lies. He gets in trouble because

01:02:05.080 he tells the truth. Like that deposition where he got deposed in the E.G. and Carroll case

01:02:09.400 and the woman, the lawyer is asking him about whether he said, you know, and when you're

01:02:15.980 a celebrity, women will let you grab him by the P word. And Trump's like, yes, I did. I said

01:02:20.460 that because, you know, for thousands of years, that's been the way it is, you know, fortunately

01:02:25.400 or, or unfortunately, unfortunately or fortunately, he said, he just says it. Okay. I am going to do

01:02:33.860 something extraordinary now about you. I am going to defend Kamala Harris on, on an attack

01:02:38.760 that's been launched against her. Um, she decided to have Megan, the stallion, the stallion

01:02:46.340 appear at her event and sing a cleaned up version of one of her very well-known songs. Hold on

01:02:54.460 a second. I've got to get it in front of me because I don't know these songs by heart.

01:02:58.440 Uh, it's called body and I'll just play you a little bit of the cleaned up version that she

01:03:05.100 sang. You get that gist. The actual lyrics of this song are,

01:03:35.080 body crazy, curvy, wavy, big titties, little waste, little, little waste. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:03:43.060 Num, num, num, num. Eat it up for play. Okay. Three, two, one. All my bitches getting these

01:03:49.820 N word through the quarantine. Yeah. They better know exactly what the F they come to do. Only

01:03:55.320 she says the word. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That waste, that ass, them titties. Okay. And then took me

01:04:02.060 home, did me long, ate it with the panties on that very classy stuff. And I guess Kamala Harris saw this

01:04:09.700 actual song and said, I need that at my rally. I need that. That speaks to me. Did it ate it with

01:04:17.240 the panties on? Yes, I want it. So I, I can see why it's controversial would not have been my choice.

01:04:24.000 I don't think it's particularly classy for the woman who asks us to make her the first female

01:04:28.760 president to be presenting such a thing. However, it was just a couple of weeks ago. I was sitting

01:04:36.000 in Milwaukee and Donald Trump brought out my pal, Kid Rock, who I love. And he sang a version of his

01:04:44.680 great hit. American badass. Remember this? Okay. So I remember the reason I know, well,

01:05:14.580 I like kid rock, but I also know the lyrics to this song because I did an event one time,

01:05:19.500 Bajia and Abby, my assistant told me that they were insisting that I give them a song that I

01:05:24.820 could walk out to. And I was like, I have no idea what to, I mean, like, I love John Denver. I didn't

01:05:30.520 feel like that would be appropriate or what it's like anybody up. And, um, she, Abby goes, what

01:05:35.480 about kid rocks, American badass? I'm like, well, that's too self-congratulatory. I'm not doing that.

01:05:39.640 And then just for kicks, I went to look at what the lyrics are in that show. And I'm going to give

01:05:44.720 you a couple examples. I'm a porno flick. I'm like amazing grace. I'm going to F some hoes after I

01:05:52.020 rocked this place. So it was a no, I decided against it. It was possible both sides need to think through

01:06:07.940 a more the messaging, you know, before they choose the entertainment. Um, well, I have to disagree

01:06:17.060 with you, Megan, cause you are definitely the original American badass. That is like, no one

01:06:23.400 can take that away from you. You are, uh, you have always been, and you've always been a hero for a lot

01:06:30.240 of women, myself, especially in that regard. So I think that's all would have been totally

01:06:34.960 appropriate on that, on that front. I couldn't even hear the lyrics of the Megan, the stallion song,

01:06:41.300 but to me, what stood out was more of the dancing, I guess, than the singing. Um, and just this

01:06:46.460 question of like, well, is this family friendly? Right? Yeah, exactly. And you know, it, you know,

01:06:51.700 we were talking about how the GOP is in its big tent era. Um, and, and what does that mean when, uh,

01:06:57.580 when, you know, do you have enough self-esteem as a party to say, I'm okay catering to the people who

01:07:08.060 maybe don't agree with me or share my tastes, right? I I'm going to protect this space so that

01:07:13.720 the people who maybe live in more conservative religious communities could also enjoy this and

01:07:20.600 celebrate this. Or am I going to lean into the things that I think make my side more cool than

01:07:26.080 the other side? Right. I think that's sort of interesting, big question at stake here. And

01:07:30.040 that's kind of what was going through my mind when I was watching that. That's a good point. And I mean,

01:07:35.340 Kid Rock's performance at the RNC was completely clean. He changed the words entirely to celebrate

01:07:39.760 Trump, um, and did not limit its appeal in any way. Um, by the way, just in case you're wondering

01:07:45.320 what I went with was born free by Kid Rock, which is a great song. And actually, to be honest,

01:07:50.840 I wish he had sung it at, uh, Trump's RNC as well. Cause it's, I think it's one of his best and it

01:07:56.620 just gives you all the feels. I like it even more. God forgive me a little blaspheme here

01:08:01.460 than Lee Greenwood's proud to be an American. I love the song born free on 4th of July. Sometimes

01:08:06.860 we'll take, we have a boat, we'll fly our flag. We'll go around. They have like a boat parade.

01:08:10.540 We'll blast that song and just, you feel so good. You feel so patriotic. And I really hope

01:08:15.180 we're feeling that way on November 5th of this year, body. You're the best. Thank you so much

01:08:20.420 for being here. Oh, you're the best. Thank you so much for having me, Megan. God bless you. Thank

01:08:24.360 you for everything you do. Oh, you too, babe to be continued. Okay. And up next, Dr. Drew is here

01:08:32.680 plenty to go through with him. In fact, I think the first thing we should do is take a shot, a shot at

01:08:37.240 figuring out what is wrong with Arielle Fodor. Why does she talk like that to the little babies,

01:08:42.900 especially the white people in their corrections of BIPOC? That's next.

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01:09:51.380 The coronation of Kamala Harris is most prominent on social media. Young Gen Z voters trying their

01:09:57.400 hardest to meme-ify her. She's brat. Vox declaring that the coconut piling of America has happened.

01:10:05.540 No, pilling, coconut pilling. Oh my God, that is just so cringy. I can barely say it.

01:10:10.080 The coconut pilling of America. What the F? Then there's those bizarre, racially segregated

01:10:17.340 Zoom calls. What the hell is happening in our culture? Joining me now, my pal, Dr. Drew Pinsky.

01:10:23.660 He is the host of Ask Dr. Drew and so much more. Dr. Drew, welcome back. Great to have you.

01:10:29.480 Megan, it's always good to be here. Boy, I mean, listen, I hope we can slog our way through this,

01:10:34.680 but I'm as astonished as anybody. But two things first, two things first. First,

01:10:39.280 I'm putting on my listening ears. Okay? Okay? Are you okay? Okay, good. So I'm putting on my

01:10:45.620 listening ears like the young lady asked me to. But more importantly, I'm just so grateful you didn't

01:10:49.980 read those rap lyrics with me on the show. Something about you reading it to a young woman

01:10:54.300 was different than if an older male was sitting there. It would have been very uncomfortable,

01:10:58.400 and thank you for not doing that. I'll tell you what, my favorite dramatic reading of the past

01:11:02.600 week has been President Biden getting off the airplane and being asked about the House Speaker's

01:11:06.380 statement that his Supreme Court reforms are dead on arrival, in response to which Joe Biden said,

01:11:11.040 he's dead on arrival. What? What? And he said it again. He's dead on arrival. What does it mean?

01:11:20.040 I hope it makes sense. All right, I do want to play you a little Ariel, and I'm going to get your

01:11:24.340 armchair diagnosis of what the hell is wrong with this one. We're going to try. We're going to try.

01:11:30.880 As white women, we need to use our privilege to make positive changes. If you find yourself

01:11:36.640 talking over or speaking for BIPOC individuals or, God forbid, correcting them, just take a beat.

01:11:43.920 And instead, we can put our listening ears on. So do learn from and amplify the voices of those who

01:11:50.680 have been historically marginalized and use the privilege you have in order to push for systemic

01:11:57.020 change. As white people, we have a lot to learn and unlearn. So do check your blind spots.

01:12:06.640 So there we are. Yes, sir. So yeah. So a couple of things. It's funny, when she was treating me

01:12:13.320 like a five-year-old in that little video, I found myself thinking, when my kids would talk to me in

01:12:19.560 certain ways when they were five years old, I would always say, I can't hear you when you talk like

01:12:23.460 that. That's how we would respond to them to try to adjust their speech. And that's the way I feel

01:12:27.520 when this young lady talks to me. She's saying some legitimate things, but I can't hear it because of

01:12:33.520 the way- What word was legitimate? None of that was legitimate. Well, I mean, it's okay to watch for

01:12:39.380 your blind spots. Okay, fine. I'll watch my blind spots. I'd make a practice of that. I'd like to do

01:12:44.720 that, but I couldn't hear it coming forward. You don't correct BIPOC people? Do you have a rule

01:12:48.200 against correcting any BIPOCs? No, I don't have a rule against that. But let me just say this one

01:12:53.980 thing. My theme for the day, as I thought about coming in here, is nobody should be telling other

01:13:02.900 people how to live their life. That this is a country based on freedom. And the fact that we

01:13:09.320 have people preaching to us and telling us who we are and how we must live is disgusting.

01:13:16.640 Now, the problem for me is that, listen, much of my career, Megan, I was casting off the right

01:13:24.280 who were telling me what I couldn't talk about on the radio, for instance. And that came from,

01:13:30.040 if you remember the moral majority and the religious right, the right has not yet shaken

01:13:35.200 off that past. The left still thinks that's who the right is. Presently, I receive no feedback

01:13:42.980 from anybody on the right about what I should or shouldn't be saying other than, good, you're

01:13:47.920 fighting for freedom and the freedom to say whatever the hell you want, and the freedom for

01:13:52.000 me allowing anybody else to say whatever the hell they want. In the meantime, I've got people on the

01:13:57.360 other side who I thought were liberal, telling me what I can say, where I can say it, how it can be said,

01:14:03.900 and actively censoring me and has been doing so since the debacle of COVID. That's been going on for

01:14:11.040 quite some time now. And we can't seem to reconcile these two worlds. And so we have the left telling

01:14:17.100 us how to live our lives, what to say, what not to say. We have the right saying, hey, fight for

01:14:20.540 freedom. You should be fighting for freedom. Yeah, in the past, maybe we did get a little too excessive

01:14:24.200 with telling you what you should and shouldn't talk about. Sorry, let's get on to freedom fighting.

01:14:29.300 In the meantime, the women like this are manifesting these, what's called passive aggressive.

01:14:36.260 That's a passive aggressive posture. She thinks she's being empathic and attuned and so thoughtful, but

01:14:44.540 underneath it, you feel the seething aggression, which is I'm telling you, don't do not interfere with

01:14:51.720 those people because I know better. And it should disgust you. It should disgust you. There's a seething

01:14:58.440 underneath this that just makes you recoil. That's why I couldn't hear what she was saying. If she just said

01:15:04.160 what she meant, hey, everybody, here's what you ought to do. I think, you know, listen to me,

01:15:08.260 even everyone listen to me. I mean, that's what Trump does all the time. Everyone should listen

01:15:12.300 to me. I've got some ideas. Fine. I'm interested in ideas. I want to hear what you have to say. But

01:15:16.840 when you are preachy and you're passive aggressive, it's extremely unpleasant to receive.

01:15:22.820 That is so true. That's why you receive it or you're like, I can't stand you. By the way,

01:15:27.540 Bacia told us that we needed to see MK Ham's response to that bit. We pulled a little bit of it

01:15:32.780 for the audience. Watch here. Uh-oh, Spaghetti-O. It seems like we've had a little misunderstanding.

01:15:42.200 Sounds like some of you have some silly goose thoughts about race segregated political meetings.

01:15:49.340 Catch a bubble. We do have special meetings for white women and white men. These people are

01:15:58.600 gathering because they don't want to, does anybody know because they don't want to be around people

01:16:07.040 of other races? No, no, no. That is a super sad choice of how to characterize that. They're gathering

01:16:14.720 together because they don't want Republicans elected. We have to fight white supremacy,

01:16:22.720 friends by joining white only groups of friends. Exactly right. Nothing says I want to be with

01:16:32.340 BIPOCs like excluding them from my call. But back to the passive aggressive posture of the original

01:16:38.800 video. Do you remember Mary Poppins singing to us about misinformation and disinformation? Do you

01:16:44.780 remember that? That was the same thing, which remember? No. We had a disinformation czar for

01:16:50.800 five minutes and she was singing- Oh, yeah. I thought you meant the actual Mary Poppins

01:16:54.280 meaning- No, no. She was singing- Yes, Nina, Nina Jankowicz. Yes, I do. Yeah, she was putting

01:16:58.220 everything to words of supercalifragilistice or something like that. I don't even remember what the

01:17:01.980 song was, but it was something from Mary Poppins. And that was, listen to me, you people. But behind

01:17:08.840 that was, because if you don't listen to me, we're going to cancel your ass. We're going to censor

01:17:14.440 you. We're going to talk to X or at that time, Twitter. And it really, it's interesting. There

01:17:21.020 is a feeling that is coming up from the left a lot, if you have any kind of feelings about what's

01:17:28.480 being preached at you, which is disgust. Disgust is the feeling that I'm constantly plagued with.

01:17:34.680 I was disgusted by how some of my profession behaved during COVID. I was disgusted by the censorship.

01:17:39.940 I'm disgusted about the passive aggressive preachiness. And disgust is a very powerful

01:17:45.040 emotion. It makes us recoil. It makes us push away from things. And don't avoid it. Disgust

01:17:51.360 is telling you something. It's one of our most powerful indicators of something being wrong.

01:17:57.600 If you are disgusted, listen to your brain and body when it's telling you something out there

01:18:02.080 is disgusting. Because if it is, there is meaningful material there that you should be addressing or

01:18:08.620 avoiding. Yes. Gosh, that makes so sense. It's just the same way that there's sugar and peaches

01:18:15.140 that made us want to eat them. Nature has a way of attracting you to good things and repelling you

01:18:20.260 from the things that are not good. Let's take a look at the men. We spent some time on the ladies,

01:18:25.540 the white women for Kamala. Let's take a look at what the white dudes for Kamala were saying.

01:18:30.160 And I'm so grateful every single day to the people in my life and in the marginalized communities that

01:18:38.560 educate me every single day. Women's freedom is exhibit A after Donald Trump demolished the right

01:18:44.480 to choose. But of course, men are also more free in a country where we have a president who stands up

01:18:51.740 for things like access to abortion care. What a variety of whiteness we have here.

01:18:58.320 We got the dude. We got Pete. It's like a rainbow of beige. Kamala is carrying on her shoulders 248

01:19:06.520 years of pain, of agony, of hope, of frustration. I know that we have a lot of speakers.

01:19:13.020 Right. And afterward, of course, there's another Zoom that I invite you all to called

01:19:17.340 Couches Against Trump, better known as Cats. And J.D. Vance is his mini-me. I even created my

01:19:26.620 own cognitive test that describes the two of them. Sofa, dolphin, shark, cats, convict.

01:19:36.620 That's a pig remark. He's a pig. He continues to repeat that smear of J.D. Vance. The guy,

01:19:42.620 I'm not going to repeat it again, but the guy who made up the smear of J.D. Vance with his

01:19:46.240 college couch thing, is admitting. There's interviews with him now online, admitting he

01:19:50.700 made the whole thing up just to troll people, see if they would go with it. And they did.

01:19:53.740 You've got the sitting governor of Illinois. This is the guy whose family is behind the trans

01:19:57.400 push in all the schools, trying to shove it down little boys' mouths that they might be girls if

01:20:02.480 they like purple. That's him out there trying to perpetuate this smear against J.D. Vance,

01:20:08.320 who's done nothing other than serve his country honorably as a Marine, as a U.S. senator,

01:20:11.660 and now as Trump's running mate. Deeply wrong, not to mention the celebration of men can be so free

01:20:18.040 when their women can have abortions. Free to do what, Pete? Go on.

01:20:22.880 Right. And this whole thing, it really, I kind of was disappointed to see so many people that I

01:20:29.600 really admire in this group getting so preachy and so saccharine. And so, frankly, if I had spoken

01:20:38.200 to any of these individuals, let's say a week before, is that how you would have expressed

01:20:42.800 yourself to me about who you are, what you're doing? This is all sort of grants. Everybody's

01:20:49.080 doing what's politically expedient right now. I mean, it's just this weird, I almost want to call

01:20:54.860 it dishonest or including the things like the hoaxes and the fact that we get swept into these

01:21:01.000 things. So one theme for the day is people telling other people how to live their lives. Not American.

01:21:07.020 That is not something we should be doing in this country. You should recoil against anybody who's

01:21:11.520 telling you how to live your life. And unfortunately, they are successfully painting the right as having

01:21:17.560 done so with leaving the abortion issue to the states. The really interesting question to any of

01:21:23.660 them should be, hey, if Trump gets into office, do you want him, the federal government, him as

01:21:29.020 president deciding what you do with your body? No, he doesn't want anything to do with telling you

01:21:32.960 what to do with your body. He left it to the states. And so this business of doing whatever

01:21:37.920 I say is, again, that should disgust you. But the other thing, the other phenomenon that is

01:21:43.860 so pervasive right now and so very concerning to me is hysteria. And this is, again, what I'm

01:21:50.380 pointing out when I say these men that I admire would not have spoken like this a week ago, but

01:21:54.880 they're swept into this political hysteria around the coronation of Kamala Harris. And I've been

01:22:02.740 reading a lot of history lately trying to understand our present moment. I mean, in the middle of

01:22:07.320 COVID, I had this crazy experience where a young male security guard just pressed out. It was screaming

01:22:14.280 at me at the entrance to the hospital where I've been attending for almost 40 years, show me your

01:22:18.440 papers. And I just thought to myself, oh my God, this is how people became prison guards in Germany.

01:22:23.540 This is it. I'm watching it happen. And I was reading some material from 1933 Germany. And the

01:22:29.680 word hysteria came up multiple times, that the Germans were whipped into an hysteria. And I thought,

01:22:36.520 God, I never thought about that period of history as being an hysteria also. Pre-revolutionary France,

01:22:42.300 hysteria. Russia during the revolution, hysteria. Hysterias are very dangerous. It's how we get whipped

01:22:49.740 into mobs. And unfortunately, we have these social media instruments now that encourage mob behavior.

01:22:55.320 And the emotion and the focus on emotion that's flying around and these tendencies to fly from one

01:23:02.480 direction to the other is strictly speaking hysterical. And underneath that is something

01:23:07.060 that we are all, I don't want to say guilty of, we all have a piece of in our development these days

01:23:11.900 is narcissism. Narcissism makes us prone to hysterical excess and envy and empathic failure.

01:23:23.300 What is it narcissism that makes a president who is deteriorating daily, who cannot have a meeting

01:23:32.580 with a foreign dignitary, who cannot put two sentences together, stay in the office while admitting

01:23:39.560 he can't serve a second term? For sure, there's cluster B stuff there. We call that narcissistic

01:23:45.980 disorder. But there's another phenomenon that we're just in massive denial about in this country.

01:23:51.040 It's a term called anisognosia. It was coined to the early 20th century by a man named Babinski.

01:24:00.340 And it's something we know well in stroke patients, particularly when the stroke is in the right side

01:24:05.380 of the brain. There is a denial of an inability to perceive left side of the body and left side of

01:24:11.500 the world, but no awareness that the left side is missing. That's called anisognosia. Well, lo and

01:24:17.980 behold, most brain and psychiatric conditions, when they become more severe, have some version of

01:24:25.500 anisognosia. We call it lack of insight. We call it denial. But underneath it, it's a biological process

01:24:32.460 that blocks our ability to see what's happening to us. It's why families all over this country are

01:24:39.640 dealing with aging parents getting together. And maybe they're not trying to figure out how to get

01:24:45.720 that person to relinquish power and get out of office. They're trying to figure out how to get

01:24:49.500 the car keys away from grandpa. This is happening all over the place. But because grandpa doesn't see

01:24:53.860 what's happening to him, he keeps driving. And God forbid he kills somebody or kills somebody else.

01:24:58.860 But that happens a lot of the time now because it's extremely difficult for people to break

01:25:05.220 through this phenomenon. It's why people end up on the streets. They have anisognosia because they

01:25:10.260 can't see what is happening to them as a result of their mental illness and then drug use. But

01:25:15.780 Parkinsonism, various dementias, just aging, having had brain surgery, you know, President Biden's had

01:25:22.420 two brain surgeries, can set you up for these sorts of conditions associated with anisognosia

01:25:28.240 later. So he literally, when he blurts out things like you said, you know, I forget what it was you

01:25:35.600 quoted. He's dead on arrival. Yeah, he's dead on arrival. He has no awareness that that's not coming

01:25:40.740 out in a way that he means it to come out and or that he is impaired in any way. This is anisognosia.

01:25:46.020 It's a it's a feature. It's not a it's not a problem associated with it is a feature of these

01:25:52.200 conditions. When you were talking, it reminded me of my favorite bumper sticker, which reads,

01:25:57.280 I want to die quietly in my sleep, like my grandpa, not kicking and screaming like the passengers in

01:26:01.900 his car. That's kind of our president. Yeah, but listen, it brings up a second point, too, which is,

01:26:11.300 hey, listen, we're here trying to decide whether somebody is sufficiently impaired that they

01:26:16.300 shouldn't have access to car keys. Shouldn't we have a little higher standard for leader of the

01:26:20.900 free world? I shouldn't. I mean, the fact that we're having this conversation about being functional

01:26:25.520 versus able to lead the free world, which should be a different standard. It should be different

01:26:31.040 than can you drive a car, Dr. Drew. You know, we've got Iran openly. We've got the war escalating in the

01:26:36.900 Middle East right now with Iran openly threatening us and Israel, our ally. We've got, you know,

01:26:43.980 we've got Hezbollah and Israel and that dispute amping up. It'd be nice to have a commander in

01:26:48.180 chief we understood was truly in command. We don't. I never got your take on this. Do you do you think

01:26:53.640 I realize you can't diagnose somebody you haven't evaluated, but from what you've seen, do you think

01:26:58.380 this is a Parkinson's situation? Because, you know, the White House, of course, kept saying, no,

01:27:01.460 no, no, no, no, no, but we don't trust them. So here's how we teach medical students about

01:27:07.060 Parkinsonism. We show them videos of people with Parkinsonian features, and you could easily

01:27:15.280 show President Biden's video as an example of these Parkinsonian phenomenon, okay? Parkinsonism,

01:27:23.740 different than Parkinson's disease. Parkinson's disease obviously caused Parkinsonism, but many

01:27:29.840 things caused Parkinsonism. In his case, it's freezing. You see him, he always freezes with

01:27:35.860 his hands up here. It's more motoric slowing. It's waxen or mask-like faces. He has difficulty

01:27:42.540 showing expression on his faces. It's narrow, festinating gait. He has all of this. That's just

01:27:48.560 a fact. He has Parkinsonism. He has Parkinsonian features. The only thing we don't know and no way

01:27:57.020 I can diagnose is what is causing him. Now, when a physician sees Parkinsonism, he or she

01:28:03.200 runs through a list of possible causes in our head. So in this case, could be Parkinson's disease,

01:28:09.980 could be his previous neurosurgeries, which he's had two for aneurysm, could be something more serious

01:28:15.080 like Alzheimer's or Lewy body dementia, could be vascular dementia, could be something obscure that

01:28:21.260 we haven't, we've not really thought of, or it could be medication reactions even. Sometimes medicines

01:28:25.200 can cause Parkinsonism. But to say that he doesn't have Parkinsonism is simply factually false. So when

01:28:34.240 we hear that this Parkinsonian expert went to the White House and didn't see the patient, didn't see

01:28:40.880 the president, my question is not, did he see the patient? Why the hell not? What are you doing? Did you

01:28:48.780 have a Parkinsonian leader and you don't let him see an expert in the condition he has? What is wrong with

01:28:54.860 you? And what is wrong with the press, in the press pool for not going, why didn't he see somebody? It's obvious to

01:29:01.120 anyone watching what these things are. You're telling me you're refusing to allow this man to get treatment? Now, one fear I

01:29:07.580 have is sometimes the medicines for Parkinsonism can affect cognition. And I'm wondering if they're

01:29:14.780 struggling when they try to think about treating him with, oh, geez, can we use these medications

01:29:19.700 sufficiently to relieve some of his symptoms? And you do see his facial expressions start to come on

01:29:24.980 sometimes, which suggests that he is taking one something, Mirapax or Cinemat or something.

01:29:29.660 Uh, and it, it, but it can affect cognition and judgment. Wow. So you might not want to give your

01:29:36.360 candidate that before a debate, as opposed to a teleprompter speech. Precisely. Because one is just

01:29:42.260 reading, but the other you actually have to use the wheels. Exactly right. And I think that's what

01:29:48.060 happened. I think that's, and, and by the way, another feature of Parkinsonism is hypophonia, where they

01:29:52.920 can't create their voices, they can't create volume in their voice and, and mumbling. That's part of it too.

01:29:59.440 It's all Parkinsonism now may or may not be Parkinson's disease. I don't know. I have not

01:30:04.720 evaluated him. I don't know what's going on, but any video, if any, if any second year medical student

01:30:10.780 could not identify this as Parkinsonism, as I saw one neurologist on TV say the other day, that medical

01:30:16.840 student would be remediated immediately because that's, that's a fail. Uh, and so it's, it's that

01:30:22.140 simple. Now the causation is a whole of the problem. NBC. All right. Now, uh, this is not about

01:30:27.280 medical diet by the way that just FYI for listeners at home. The man we're talking about is still the

01:30:31.020 sitting president of the United States. Just FYI. Um, we still have no idea what's wrong with him,

01:30:34.900 whether he's in command war appears to be escalating in the middle East. Don't know who

01:30:38.740 the commander in chief is. Um, secondly, Kamala Harris running to be commander in chief this,

01:30:43.940 we know. And I, it occurred to me since you're so good at understanding, yes, obviously medicine

01:30:48.260 because you're an MD, but also just people. Could you explain to me why she up until eight

01:30:54.120 days ago was infamous for answers like this? What is she doing in these word salad answers?

01:31:03.320 I am meeting, um, with a lot of folks and the work that we have begun is the work that is going

01:31:10.320 to be ongoing. There is no question. And I said this from the very beginning that our approach

01:31:16.400 to this issue has to be with a commitment to a long term investment and it has to be a commitment

01:31:25.040 to consistency. The United States has to be consistent. There were times where we were more engaged

01:31:32.640 and we saw good results, less engaged. And, and we can see where, where the work and the partnerships

01:31:40.400 then deteriorate. So I am committed to ensuring that we engage in an active way on the root causes

01:31:48.800 on addressing the cause and effect and also being partners in the Western hemisphere, understanding

01:31:56.040 that we have a responsibility. And if we ignore that responsibility, it will visit itself upon us

01:32:02.080 in a very domestic way. Help me, Dr. Drew. Megan, I'm so sorry. I am as bewildered as you are by this.

01:32:13.080 I, all, all I know is that she is not a good public speaker extemporaneously. That is for sure. And you

01:32:18.320 could see her that she can't, she's not a good, well, listen, I don't know her, but the thinking is

01:32:24.120 not good. The, the, the thoughts are going from one thing to the next and it may all just be because

01:32:29.360 she doesn't know how to speak extemporaneously. She better learn. She, it's weird because she does

01:32:35.760 seem to sort of do better on the debate stage. And she certainly is interesting when she's interviewing

01:32:41.520 another person, but, but when it's, when it's, I tried to express an idea, it is, wow. It's just,

01:32:47.520 I don't know what that is. And this is the extraordinary phenomenon of Kamala Harris, which is

01:32:52.800 five minutes ago. That was her with the cackling laughter. She was sort of a joke. And then the

01:32:59.440 media campaign and the propaganda kicked in. And I, I am gravely concerned about propaganda in this

01:33:04.880 country. The fact that we used to have anti-propaganda laws and that we undid all that is very concerning.

01:33:10.560 And we need to really look at that, but the propaganda machine kicked in and all of a sudden

01:33:14.320 she is a messiah. She's a, she's the, she's a Cleopatra and, and maybe the one, maybe we were

01:33:21.680 wrong about her. I don't know, but I don't know that this is right. It all seems disingenuous.

01:33:25.840 And I, it's, I spent a lot of my day just going, I just don't know what is going on. I, I don't

01:33:30.720 believe anything in the press, anything. I'm sorry. I did the mainstream media. I just, I have no idea

01:33:35.760 of what they're telling me as any connection to reality whatsoever. You shouldn't. Can I tell you,

01:33:39.840 when I listened to her, she reminds me of the way you feel when you have low blood sugar,

01:33:44.880 kind of ramble and you don't land your point. You're kind of like, well, it's why people,

01:33:53.440 yeah, because your brain isn't working right. And that's in that circumstance. And that's why people

01:33:59.200 have speculated my baby. Was there a substance here? How do we understand what this was? I mean,

01:34:04.240 it's, it seems so hard to understand how somebody who is a high functioning individual,

01:34:10.240 an attorney general, uh, you know, a prosecutor, how, how is this the same person? And, and I got

01:34:16.000 to admit, I, I, I feel that way too. And I go ahead. You tell me, I was just going to say,

01:34:21.440 it's very clear. I mean, like, look, people want to say it's a sexist attack on her. It's a fact

01:34:25.120 that she slept her way into San Francisco politics with Willie Brown and he was 30 years, her senior,

01:34:30.000 and he certainly did pave her way into her two paid positions where she made bank and then helped

01:34:34.960 her win as San Francisco DA. And I'm sure it didn't hurt even in that race that she was black and she

01:34:39.760 was a woman in California and then got elevated by the same machine to the position of attorney

01:34:44.880 general and then got elevated by the same machine, California, which values this DEI thing greatly to

01:34:50.560 us Senator. And then Joe Biden explicitly said, I'm going to pick a black woman. That's how he got the

01:34:54.800 nomination by promising Jim Carver. And he would do that. She got elevated once again to a position

01:34:59.600 that, let's face it, doesn't generally require that much. And now here she is telling us that

01:35:03.520 she's qualified to be leader of the free world and the medals not, without meeting the road.

01:35:08.400 So, so think about it this way. So, so you should, the Willie Brown thing, you should at least,

01:35:13.120 everybody should be at least raising one eyebrow, like, huh? Well, what was that? But I think what

01:35:18.320 that all is, is evidence of how much of a political animal Kamala Harris is. She is truly a political

01:35:25.120 animal. And as such, and there, there are lots of political animals in politics, right? They're in

01:35:30.400 Washington as they're all over the place. That's how people, I guess, do this today. But the thing

01:35:37.200 that I find interesting is it seems like the, the democratic leadership likes having people in these

01:35:45.120 positions of authority that don't clearly have positions of their own that they can sort of dictate

01:35:51.360 to. I feel the same way about Biden too. Like who is actually in charge? Who is actually filling his

01:35:56.720 head with these thoughts? Where is this coming from? This is very different than the man we heard from

01:36:00.640 10 years ago, certainly, or even five years ago. And I have a feeling Kamala Harris may be the same

01:36:06.640 way. So whatever she is coached into may not be her own personal values and thoughts. Now,

01:36:13.520 the problem is once she gets in power, where are we now going to see this far left individual that

01:36:20.560 she's been much of her career? And is she going to start exerting that? And that's the question.

01:36:25.440 That's who she really is. And then we're going to get people like Ariel trying to

01:36:28.640 lecture us. If we actually question the sitting president of the United States,

01:36:32.000 because she happens to be BIPOC. So we're not allowed to say anything.

01:36:35.040 Um, I want to ask you quickly, cause you mentioned censorship and it's been pretty nuts how, uh,

01:36:40.960 now it's come out that Facebook meta had been censoring accurate pictures of the Trump

01:36:47.920 assassination attempt. They say it was because, Oh, there had been one that was fake. And then we

01:36:52.480 just sort of the algorithm got the ones that were real and censored it at the same time,

01:36:56.800 Molly Hemingway of the federalist was showing this online. If you Trump, if you type in on Google search,

01:37:02.080 Trump or, or, you know, assassination of she are, it still doesn't bring up Donald Trump.

01:37:07.760 You know how usually it anticipates, uh, what you're going to say. No,

01:37:10.720 she couldn't get it to say anything about Donald Trump. Um, the Google AI, same problem. It's not.

01:37:16.640 So it's a form of censorship. It's like, they're trying to memory hole the Trump assassination

01:37:21.680 attempt because it makes him look fairly heroic. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, there's no doubt about it.

01:37:28.960 And Elon Musk has been retweeting a lot of the examples because he just, just with the word,

01:37:33.920 wow, attached to it. Like, look at this, my goodness. And what, of course they're censoring.

01:37:39.120 I I'm sure you get censored on Facebook. I get censored on Facebook. We get, you get downgraded.

01:37:44.000 You get, you have difficulty putting your material on there. There is just, it's just no doubt that,

01:37:50.080 that certain platforms reserve the right to censor as they wish. Now they have said that what they're

01:37:56.640 going for is no political violence. Well, all the other foreign political violence are showing up

01:38:00.960 there, except that one. And by the way, when did everybody become, as soon as everybody became an

01:38:05.200 expert on hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin words, they just learned how to pronounce.

01:38:09.280 They also became experts on how to dress an ear wound experts. Everybody knows exactly how to

01:38:14.080 dress an ear wound. The reality is when I dress an ear wound in the ER, I wrap the thing around

01:38:18.400 their head, the gauze around the head. And I bet he resisted that. I bet they tried to do that to

01:38:23.440 him. I had it for a while and he took that off or resisted it. So those experts that said there was too

01:38:27.760 big a bandage. Oh, okay, fine. Next time you're in the ER, tell me how you address a pinna wound.

01:38:32.800 Same. Like, like, like a cartoon character. That's how I would have expected to be right

01:38:37.280 around, you know, like they'd ever censor it. If God forbid, there was an assassination attempt

01:38:44.480 on let God forbid Kamala Harris, that would come right up. That would be something they'd want to

01:38:49.360 promote. You know, she'd look bad-ass. It's just so sick. The only way to fight for now is to speak

01:38:55.120 out and remind people. Fight for freedom. I never think I'd be a freedom fighter in my life. Late

01:38:59.600 in my career, that has become the priority in my life. It should be everyone's concern. No one

01:39:04.840 should be telling you what to say or how to live. Right on. Thank you for being here. Back tomorrow

01:39:09.660 with Charlie Kirk. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

01:39:25.120 Let's see You.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 31, 2024

Why Elites Hate Vance, Biden's True Condition, and Passive Aggressive Harris Supporters, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Dr. Drew ｜ Ep. 852

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