Another race hoax takes center stage, this time in the WNBA. This story has had many twists and turns over the past week, so we re going to walk you through how it all unraveled in spectacular fashion. It all started on May 17th, during the Fever s season opener when Caitlin Clark s team, the Indiana Fever, faced off against the Chicago Sky, home to player Angel Jussie Smollett-Reese.
00:04:34.640Now, some claim the evidence was alleged monkey sounds being made, they said, by the crowd when Reese made the free throw shot that came as a result of the flagrant foul.
00:05:05.280To me, it sounds like a noisemaker, one of those weird noisemakers that you might use on New Year's Eve, which is very common during these free show, free throw shots to distract the opposing team's player.
00:05:17.960But it certainly doesn't jump out at me as a monkey sound.
00:05:21.900And it probably doesn't jump out at you that way either.
00:05:25.000It's people who are looking for these alleged claims.
00:05:28.640And by the way, like who in a crowded arena would actually do such a thing, right?
00:05:34.180It's like the people who think that there are racists and racism everywhere in America.
00:05:39.700Those are the ones who go to that place.
00:05:42.220But without any supporting evidence, nothing more than a statement put out by the WNBA about unspecified racism, and now we know that's based on social media users, some sports analysts had no problem declaring, oh, it happened.
00:06:00.900Listen to what ESPN's Monica McNutt and Cheney Ogumaki and Emmanuel Achiu of Fox Sports all had to say.
00:06:12.080The aftermath, the fact that the WNBA has to put out a statement because of racist comments and unsafe conditions toward Angel Reese, like, I just want people to be mindful.
00:06:22.540If this was the other way around, oh, Lord, you can only imagine how the conversation would have gone.
00:06:26.720When it comes to racism and the hateful rhetoric and the statement that the WNBA is saying, I think it's important because at the end of the day, if you are truly a basketball fan, you would understand and agree.
00:06:36.580We have no space in our game for those types of comments.
00:06:39.560People are using this situation as a cover for their innate vitriol and maybe their innate kind of racism or racial tension or racial misunderstanding.
00:06:48.420And now that they have been given a reason, at least a reason that they're going to try to take, which is Angel Reese reacting to Caitlin Clark's vow.
00:06:55.580Now this is their opportunity to say what they always wanted to say, but they needed a mask to put on to cover up the innate, whether it's racism or the innate prejudice or just the innate hate.
00:07:06.020That they have for Angel Reese in the way in which she carries herself.
00:09:19.440And now one of the hosts in that montage we just played has changed her tune.
00:09:24.120ESPN's Chanae Ugumake took to X following the WNBA's announcement, and there she claimed she's committed to doing better.
00:09:35.200And her initial take was in the heat of the moment.
00:09:38.380If you know me, you know I'm not afraid to say I can do better.
00:09:42.900I am sorry that my message was in the heat of the moment because when I initially spoke on the topic, it really came from a place of care.
00:09:49.340It was based on firsthand conversations with people very close to the situation who raised real concerns, and they told me what they had experienced.
00:09:56.980And I felt like it was important and it was necessary to acknowledge those allegations and also voice those experiences.
00:10:03.980Now, in the process, however, I totally recognize that it may have impacted fans in a way that I did not intend, and I am sorry.
00:10:10.880I understand that having a platform comes with a responsibility, and I do not take that lightly.
00:10:17.540So as our league continues to grow, I am going to grow with it.
00:10:21.040And I am so committed to be better in how I share perspectives and grow alongside the game that I truly love and adore.
00:14:00.900And she can behave with impunity and understand that these powerful voices within the sports industry will run cover for her and do the work of attacking alleged anti-black racism where it doesn't exist.
00:14:17.000Here to help break it all down, we go to Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and host of Rumble's System Update, Glenn Greenwald.
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00:15:52.900And now suddenly they have the set of stars that people are interested in, these interesting rivalries, these dynamics.
00:15:59.880You know, like the Angel Reese, Caitlin Clark kind of rivalry is something that is good for sport.
00:16:05.840And yet they seem like they're stuck in this bubble, this time machine of 2019 and 2020 where every single hair trigger event became an excuse to scream racism and launch, you know, federal investigations.
00:16:17.400And you compare it to like the NBA, the Major League Baseball, you know, National Football League, all of which have a lot of racial mixing within their teams.
00:16:27.000And there seems to be none of this basically.
00:16:29.620And this is a sport, you know, a league that has gone out of its way to be very vocal about its left wing politics.
00:16:37.520And it's like they imported 2020, you know, racial hair trigger scandals where none existed when the whole country has now moved beyond it.
00:16:46.440And the worst are the sports reporters who basically destroyed their own credibility by no longer talking about sports and wanting to get up on their soapbox.
00:16:54.000And the fact that the person did it here and seems to have invented racism accusations, which are pretty serious, is just the kind of thing that, as you said, generally doesn't bring any accountability because it's considered for the right cause.
00:17:05.400Mm hmm. And this is, according to Outkick, which has been doing great reporting on this, not the first time that Angel Jussie Smollett Reese has made up a fake race claim, racism claim.
00:17:18.440Last June, according to Outkick, she accused a fan of harassing her and her black teammates and, quote, blocking them from entering their team hotel.
00:17:26.480A subsequent video of the scene in the comments from her own general manager told a very different story.
00:17:30.460They report that in June of 2024, her team, the Chicago Sky, was in Washington, D.C. for a game.
00:17:37.440And Angel Reese posted to X, quote, finding out our team's hotel to pull a camera as we get off the bus and put it in my teammates face and harass her is nasty work.
00:17:50.940This really is out of control and needs to stop.
00:17:53.460Sky forward Mikayla Anyaweri accused someone of calling somebody else on the team and other women ghetto bitches.
00:18:04.520Isabel Harrison said this man stormed them to the point they couldn't even step off the bus.
00:18:09.120However, reports Outkick, months later, there's still zero proof of the alleged incident.
00:18:14.360And all evidence continues to suggest it did not happen in the way Reese and her teammates tell it.
00:18:18.960There is video from the scene. The man in question does not harass, storm at, threaten or get in the face of the players, as the women stated.
00:18:27.980Rather, he simply recorded himself asking Carter, one of the players, if she had a chance to reach out to Caitlin Clark.
00:18:37.080Via the New York Post, the players on the Sky team claim the video was edited and fails to capture the man's alleged harassment.
00:18:43.600But in an interview with the Chicago Sun-Times a week after, the GM of the team, Jeff Paglioccia, described the incident exactly as shown in this clip.
00:18:53.480Quote, it was over as fast as it started. I'm very confident in our security, always making our players feel safe.
00:19:00.200He said, quote, the man had a camera, was trying to approach guard Chennedy Carter.
00:19:05.060However, security was able to de-escalate the situation without the assistance of police.
00:19:08.960Here is the clip that we have of the incident.
00:19:14.160Ms. Carter, have you gotten a chance to reach out to Caitlin?
00:19:28.880The basketball world wants to know if you've gotten a chance to reach out to her.
00:19:31.660This is the alleged terrible, terrible man who pulled the camera as we get off the bus, put in my teammate's face and harassed, in all caps, her.
00:19:45.400And that he was allegedly calling the women ghetto bitches, which is strange because I did not hear ghetto bitches on the tape.
00:19:53.160Outkick has been asking this team, the Chicago Sky team, what happened?
00:19:59.140What's the truth? Because what you allege does not match up with the video nor the GM's description of what actually happened and asking whether they stand by Angel Reese's allegations.
00:20:17.080I mean, again, like I this is something that happened very commonly and in the wake of the Black Lives Matter and the George Floyd incident, where we invented all of these very, you know, sensitive frameworks for when racism happens, for when you're supposed to object and launch a sort of scandal.
00:20:36.880And I think people got to the point where they realized, you know, if you're going to raise serious racism accusations, you need to have a serious basis for it.
00:20:43.960It seems like the whole country moved on from this sort of thing.
00:20:46.340I don't know why the NW, the NAA, the Women's Basketball Association, is continuously engulfed in these sort of things.
00:20:55.880Given that this is the sort of thing that is going to alienate people, you know, that whole incident with Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese with that foul that Caitlin Clark made on Angel Reese, which I have watched men's basketball for decades.
00:21:08.320Every single time a shooter is open, someone comes and tries to foul them by slapping the ball out of their hands, which is exactly what she did.
00:21:13.880But because of those two players, it became some sort of like racial dynamic.
00:21:18.060I don't know what it is about this league.
00:21:20.040I do think they've like defined themselves in this very politically oriented way, almost more so than the basketball.
00:21:26.360And I think it's ultimately going to just drive people away because people go to watch basketball, not to be engulfed in all of these fake scandals all the time.
00:21:34.220Exactly right. It's like, well, we barely want to watch the WNBA to begin with.
00:21:39.020People started to watch it because Caitlin Clark came in and was a total phenom and like the the female Michael Jordan is how people were describing her.
00:21:47.780And so she got bottoms in the seats and she got tickets sold and she got people watching on television.
00:21:52.460And then the response from the league was uniform hate.
00:21:55.820I shouldn't say uniform seems majority hate toward her, especially this Angel Reese, who obviously can't stand her and is insanely jealous of her and the attention she's getting rather than basking in it.
00:22:06.800Rather than enjoying the bigger spotlight that is on her as well.
00:22:10.360And you can get away with this because the WNBA seems to be just fine with anti-white racism and with Caitlin Clark going out there to flagellate herself with the I'm working on my white privilege as she gets nominated as the, you know, time athlete of the year.
00:22:27.480Like that's what she's got to make sure she says.
00:22:29.040So she's happy to play the game and, you know, isn't really making a stand one way or the other other than to make sure everybody knows she realizes that she's got inherent bias to and white privilege.
00:22:40.360And I do think the sports media is very much to blame.
00:22:43.740You know, I guess people went into sports journalism excited about following the sports, the business of, of, you know, major professional leagues.
00:22:52.980And at some point they decided, no, this is not enough.
00:22:55.280We have to get on a soapbox and be leaders of anti-racism efforts or anti-woman efforts.
00:23:02.000And they turned themselves into these social justice warriors.
00:23:04.660So people were tuning into ESPN to find out about the latest highlights of various games.
00:23:09.620And instead they were being subjected to these lectures by these very cliched banal people whose, you know, understanding of politics is like very thin, deep.
00:23:18.160And it was these constant lectures about social justice.
00:23:20.720And I guess the NBA sector still hasn't really stopped.
00:23:23.780So why is it that the same people who heard this, these alleged racist comments from the crowd, none of which were substantiated, were not able, because they could use their ears for that, were not able to see with their eyes what Brittany Griner was mouthing.
00:23:40.120Like, why, why was it so clear in the one instance and so unclear in the other, such that it didn't even warrant reporting along the lines of what I just did, which is here's the dispute.
00:23:50.800Some people say she looked like she was saying X.
00:23:53.500Other people say she looked like she was saying Y.
00:23:55.760They didn't even get that treatment by these same outraged anchors.
00:23:59.580They know that they're quick to run to the flames when it could be anti-black racism, but when it could be anti-white racism, crickets.
00:24:08.080Yeah, I mean, I looked at Brittany Griner, to be honest, it seemed to me, and I'm no lip reading expert, but it seemed pretty clear that she was saying something like with a racial intent about Caitlin Clark.
00:24:27.120But why do we need national investigations every time somebody might have said something like a little bit inappropriate or a little bit off in the heat of the moment?
00:24:36.340And that's the thing I thought we had left behind.
00:24:38.820You know, people in 80,000-person arenas are going to say certain things that players hear or don't hear very well.
00:24:44.860Just, you know, why do we need these constant scandals in order for people then to, you know, get on that high horse and say racism is unacceptable, and half the time it turns out it was all invented in the first place?
00:24:58.940All these people truly of, like, such privilege, too.
00:25:02.200Like, they're still so aggrieved about everything.
00:25:05.180And Angel Reese, while she's making up fake claims of racism, is also celebrating her new deal with Reebok, which undoubtedly is seven figures.
00:25:14.460And she's being celebrated as, you know, one of these female heroines within the sports world.
00:25:38.920I heard a lot of players always saying that.
00:25:40.560You would think you would be appreciative when somebody comes who's kind of like a superstar who brings huge amounts of attention for the first one.
00:25:46.840Like I said, women's basketball has been trying to get people to watch for decades, and nobody did.
00:25:51.700And they finally got someone, as you say, because of a generational talent.
00:25:55.160And there are other good players there that you're now paying attention to and that you see.
00:25:58.460But the anger and resentment over the fact that she brought not just herself, like why would you think Angel Reis without Caitlin Clark would have even, you know, a hundred dollar sponsorship deal?
00:26:10.600But the resentment for some reason is overwhelming what ought to be, you know, the collective celebration that they have something that is actually worthwhile for the first time.
00:26:18.980But they're also bitter and angry and looking for these internal disputes instead of feeding the excitement around the game.
00:26:46.700And she's given us a whole new realm of comments.
00:26:50.020Glenn, we saved them just for you because she's still.
00:26:53.040Well, I told your staff I only started watching this podcast religiously because of the times I've been on your show and you've talked about it by yourself or with me.
00:26:59.820So I'm very ready to talk to Michelle Obama.
00:27:06.680Um, there's such a great new, like spin of, uh, of, of complaints here.
00:27:13.020Here's one from her most recent episode, which still on YouTube, she's got like 200,000 subscribers.
00:27:18.100It's really amazing that now she's been doing this for how many episodes she's been literally at on every podcast of the less left wing promoting it.
00:27:25.120And that's still all she's managed to get here.
00:27:28.760She is interviewing Dr. Sharon Malone, perhaps better known as former attorney general, Eric Holder's wife.
00:27:36.860And therein lies the problem as these two ladies married to do to two very famous men are pissed that they are not the alpha in terms of popularity and recognition in their marriages.
00:29:30.620Every single time you showed a clip on this show, including when I wasn't here, but I was watching, but also every time I've been here, every single time, I'm not exaggerating.
00:29:40.120Michelle Obama is making clear that everything that she had to do to support her husband's career was something that was completely against her will, that it was some sort of like psychological damage imposed on her for having to do it.
00:29:51.700Like she has resentment and bitterness, you know, like I went to this dinner, but against my will, because I had to, that's the first thing.
00:29:58.000I mean, how much anger and resentment does she have toward her husband for having had his own political career that, as we've talked about before, made Michelle Obama one of the richest, most influential, most famous and most powerful people on the planet.
00:30:12.560And yet she talks as if that trajectory that he took her on was something that, you know, turned her into some kind of horrible victim that we ought to feel sorry for.
00:30:22.800On top of that, you know, these podcasts where you like what she's doing, which is basically just like going around and chit-chatting about her life and the like things she thinks is interesting in her life and the thoughts she has in the middle of the night.
00:30:34.880Right. It's such an act of like extreme narcissism to go around talking constantly about the things that are being done to you that you think are unfair when in the entire 8 billion people on the planet, you are basically in the top 0, 0, 0, 0, 1% of the people who are the most privileged by every reasonable metric.
00:30:54.680I'm not saying people don't go through bad times if they're like very rich or very famous.
00:30:58.600Of course they do. But don't you have like any humility at all, like any sensibility at all that most people don't want to hear from you about how difficult your life is, given that you live in this lavish wealth and fame and, and, and, you know, got to be in the White House for all those years.
00:31:14.320But she's angry about it and thinks that it's worthy of all of our attention to hear her resentment.
00:31:20.200I can't understand the mindset that produces that belief.
00:31:23.000I know. How, how do you not stop, especially when your husband was commander in chief for eight years and think there will be people who hear this clip who have no arms and legs.
00:31:32.780Thanks to these wars that we fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. I mean, there, I know some of them and they will drag themselves out to run the tunnel to towers race and other races to raise money for other suffering veterans and firefighters who got hurt on nine 11 and so on.
00:31:46.080And their families are surviving that who have actual problems, actual problems that were basically brought on them by the government.
00:31:54.420Um, and they, no one, no one, not even people who aren't anywhere near as catastrophically injured as those guys, but no, especially guys like that.
00:32:02.400Don't want to hear about how someone had to reach past her to shake Barack Obama's hand.
00:32:09.580She has zero perspective for what actual problems are Glenn.
00:32:13.520Or just people suffering from like terminal illness or people who can't get food and healthcare for, you know, on and on and on, like all of the injustices and the horrors and wars in the world.
00:32:26.120And this is what I'm saying. Like, I'm not saying I haven't encountered difficulties in my life, but in general, I feel like my life is very blessed. I feel like I have done a lot of things. I've gotten a lot of things that other people haven't gotten in. So I would never go around and talk publicly about, Hey, gather around. I want you to, you never do why I feel so agree.
00:32:45.740You never do either. Like, I'm not saying there aren't times that you're angry or, but you don't go publicly and talk about it because in comparison to pretty much everybody else in the world, it's so trivial and to demand that people pay attention.
00:32:58.580But she, like, this is the other thing, this whole idea that she has a marriage, like, you know, I know you, you are married to someone who has a different career than you. I was married to my husband who was a politician. I obviously supported his political career because, you know, we were married and I loved him and that's what you do in marriage.
00:33:13.700And of course I had to go to events sometimes that I didn't really want to go to that weren't particularly interesting, like political rallies or whatever.
00:33:19.560I would never imagine going around and publicly saying, because of him, I had to go to all these different, horrible, miserable events.
00:33:27.280And he was the star because he was the candidate and people climbed or vice versa.
00:33:31.400You know, all the things he had to do, like who, the conception she has of marriage is so jaded and so ugly and negative.
00:33:39.820And I don't know where that comes from.
00:33:41.120Point scoring, you know, it's all point scoring.
00:33:43.820It's like when I go to, like, one of Doug's book signings and people want to talk to Doug because he's the star at those book signings, I love it.
00:35:10.800We need a parachute in there to rescue brother Craig.
00:35:15.400I mean, he has to walk in pins and needles because the minute he does anything other than just like sort of say amen in response to everything she says, she gets super hostile.
00:58:14.860I mean, it's helpful to have these refreshers on how you're supposed to treat White House statements.
00:58:20.460You know, I was the one who flagged that, uh, that, that segment, that little clip only because it happened.
00:58:26.880I just had to see like Jeffrey Goldberg and Jake Tapper talking about what happened here, knowing they were going to defend the media, knowing it was going to be the one of the worst things ever.
00:58:34.900I guess I was in like a masochistic mood.
00:58:36.740So I watched it watching a person who's 56 years old, who has been in loosely call, call it journalism for 30 years.
00:58:45.800Be asked by Jeffrey Goldberg, like, what is the lesson that we're all supposed to take from this?
00:58:49.760And then he says, as though it's like the most profound insight, we really have to remember that people in power lie.
00:59:12.380And of course, the reason they're saying this is because they were friends and are friends with all these Democratic national security, Democratic operatives who were lying to them and saying that Biden was fine.
00:59:23.700And a lot of them probably did say, oh, these are the good guys like Mike Donilon and Nita Dunn and all these people I've been friends with and who my kids go to school with.
00:59:30.900And so they do feel like they got to see it because those are the people who they thought were the good ones.
00:59:36.740But after Iraq, the Iraq war and the covid lies and the hundred by the laptop and Russia, how do you just wake up yesterday and say, you know what?
00:59:45.680I just had this epiphany. It's a really brilliant epiphany.
00:59:48.640One of the things that's important in journalism is to realize that people in politics lie.
00:59:53.360The other funny thing is I, you know, I thought, you know, I knew I don't know why Jake Tapper went on your show.
00:59:59.600Had I been part of that price PR crisis firm management firm that he hired?
01:00:04.620I've never heard of a journalist having to hire a PR crisis firm before.
01:00:08.240Like journalists usually don't have PR crises.
01:00:16.980Like nobody knew Joe Biden was suffering, suffering from cognitive decline until Jake Tapper using shoelace reporting uncovered in this book.
01:00:25.380But the thing is, you know, it's so interesting.
01:00:27.140I had been bashing Joe Jake Tapper for a long time, starting from when this book came out.
01:00:31.400And he got that PR crisis firm to like try and plan a bunch of negative stories and hit pieces on me as a result.
01:00:37.240And a couple of the crappy like Daily Beast and Huffington Post did it.
01:01:06.020This is the kind of thing that they tell you to say so that you seem like you're taking accountability for yourself, even though you're absolutely not.
01:01:23.220And like I look back on some of my coverage with humility, which he said to you like 10 times in this very like faux, sad, reflective way is not an adequate response.
01:01:31.940No, and it's meaningless and it's not a good it's you can tell it's PR tested and that it was come up with by somebody other than Jake.
01:01:41.200That's the problem, because that's why it didn't resonate.
01:01:43.660You know, that's why he couldn't sell it.
01:01:45.180Somebody who's genuinely contrite would sound very different.
01:02:19.440I convinced people of things that weren't true.
01:02:21.220And now I'm writing a book to try and understand why that happened to me and so many people in media.
01:02:26.300That would be an interesting book if it were truly honest and like self-reflective and self-critical.
01:02:31.280Of course, they sold this book as Jake Tapper, breaking one of the biggest stories in decades of journalism, more than the Snowden story and Watergate or whatever else.
01:02:40.540Like he revealed to us something that nobody knew except 85 percent of the American people that Joe Biden, when he was president, was in cognitive decline.
01:02:48.080Thank you so much, Jake Tapper, for letting us know that, especially since you have to come to terms with what the fact that you are one of the people hiding that.
01:04:05.280We looked back, did not see the long segments devoted to the failing mental acuity on Jake's show.
01:04:13.400We did look back and find plenty of coverage of Trump walking down that ramp in a way that looked unsteady and how weirdly he was holding his water glass.
01:04:22.320And he had Dr. Sanjay Gupta on to talk about the possible infirmity as a result of that.
01:04:27.780That didn't happen in 2023 after the light bulb went off or in 2024 or when he was at the debate.
01:04:35.280It's that this is I'm sorry, with all due respect, this is total revisionist history.
01:04:40.200He knew they all knew they chose not to cover it or to run cover for Joe Biden because they hate Donald Trump.
01:04:57.700And I've written about this before and documented it.
01:04:59.940Democratic Party insiders, you know, like the sort of strategists who go to work for campaigns, like the real hardcore partisans.
01:05:06.140They were really worried in 2018 that Joe Biden was going to win the nomination simply because he was the most well known among Democratic voters.
01:05:28.180And then it was only once, you know, that's when Cory Booker and Julian Castro brought up in the debate, made fun of Biden because he couldn't remember what he said two seconds ago.
01:05:43.420And Jake Tapper in that, the thing that I found so, you know, offensive about what Jake Tapper said was when Laura Trump said very innocuously, like, I watched Joe Biden.
01:05:54.100I'm just kind of rooting for him to get the words out.
01:05:56.160He didn't just tell her she was wrong.
01:05:57.700He went and he accused her of creating a bullying atmosphere for children with stutters.
01:06:02.540He was still on that stuttering thing.
01:06:10.360That's where he accused her of creating a bullying atmosphere for stutterers, for kids with stutterers.
01:06:15.260And let's be honest, he only I'm sorry, but the only reason he called and apologized to her is because he knew he was going on a press tour.
01:06:21.620That's I firmly believe that it just came out.
01:06:24.640I mean, it was obvious when he said I called her a month ago, months ago.
01:06:26.740OK, he signed the contract for this book right after the election.
01:07:33.880Did he actually say I'm sorry or did he just say when my book hits, I'm going to say that the right was correct on like I I've met now less sure than I was before that an actual apology was issued.
01:07:51.160And like, again, if you go on the air or in your column or wherever and you accuse somebody of something truly terrible, which is like bullying kids with disabilities, which is what he accused her of.
01:08:00.620If you do that on the air, you don't call her privately and sort of say, hey, you were right.
01:08:05.240You go on the air and you say I said something terrible.
01:08:10.020But the other thing about this is, you know, he's saying that was in 2020.
01:08:13.240Everybody, remember, during the 2020 election, everyone understood that the thing that saved Joe Biden in that election was covid, which allowed him to run from his basement.
01:08:21.960He was only going on very, very, very friendly interviews with like Nicole Wallace, who was talking to him like the way you talk to your infirm grandpa, you know, like when you go to visit him and you want to be like super sweet.
01:08:36.380And I think the big difference here, which is why this is so devastating to media credibility, you know, they did the same line in 2016 with Russiagate, the same thing in 2020 where they lied about the Hunter Biden laptop to help the Democrats.
01:08:48.060But those things are like people don't have specialized knowledge of.
01:08:52.040They, you know, most Americans here, you don't need Jake Tapper to tell you Joe Biden's incognitive decline because most Americans have had that experience with grandparents or parents or siblings or neighbors or whatever.
01:09:02.360And they see it themselves and to watch the media continuously, vehemently, not just deny what they were seeing, but attacking anybody who was bringing it up and go watch the interview that that Jake Tapper did with Dean Phillips when he said he was running because of this.
01:09:49.000I mean, I'll ask the audience because they watch this interview when Tapper and Thompson came on.
01:09:52.600Does you notice a difference in how Alex Thompson sounds as he was on our show versus when he gets in front of a left wing audience on MSNBC?
01:10:40.020He knows exactly what the horses want to eat over there.
01:10:42.260Also, sorry, but like I just read a statistic yesterday that Donald Trump has appeared to answer questions from the media in like lengthy sessions more times in the first five months of his presidency than any president going back like eight decades.
01:10:58.900He he's constantly super transparent, super engaged.
01:11:02.560I'm honestly shocked at the energy level that he has.
01:11:19.880And so to try and make this equivalency like, oh, maybe Trump is also cognitively declined or in other way somewhat will because he wants to placate this liberal audience and say, oh, it's not just Biden, but maybe Trump, too.
01:11:35.160Not only does Trump make himself available to virtually anybody often all the time, but he makes his cabinet available to anybody often all the time.
01:11:44.220I mean, I jokingly said to my team, I'm like, they keep inviting me to go down to like podcasters row at the White House and have access to all cabinet secretaries so much.
01:11:57.100I'd love to be down there full time interviewing every single cabinet secretary, but I don't I can't.
01:12:02.820I have a family, but I say that in jest because it's a lovely opportunity and many are taking it and we see the cabinet secretaries everywhere and it's great.
01:12:13.880So not only do we have the chance to interview Trump, but we have the chance to interview all the people in power about whatever we want to ask, including how does Trump seem?
01:12:21.820You know, nothing's off limits with these people.
01:13:03.540Like I have criticism of the Trump administration, but the transparency that they're bringing and the level of energy that Trump has and the willingness to confront every single question and explain his policies every day is really quite refreshing.
01:13:14.660Because you've almost never seen that in our lifetime to that extent.
01:13:18.260So picking up on this new pivot, you know, as the Thompson Tapper team switches to.
01:13:23.880But Trump, Trump, Representative Seth Moulton out of Massachusetts.
01:13:28.300This is the guy who did the 180 on gender right after they lost the election in November.
01:13:33.220And then when he got pummeled by his party, he was like, what?
01:13:35.480Oh, forget all that stuff I said about how unfair it is to see my daughters playing against boys and girls sports.
01:13:40.560So strong guy, this Seth Moulton, super strong.
01:13:43.560So he goes on with Martha McCallum on Fox and here's his line.
01:13:49.440Are there moments when you say to yourself, I can't believe that we let him be president at that point, be commander in chief?
01:13:56.620No, you know, the evidence we have is that he was still making the right decisions as commander in chief.
01:14:01.360What I do know is that Trump's cabinet, several members of his cabinet had very real discussions about whether he was qualified to be president.
01:14:10.600But Jake Sullivan, he didn't recognize Jake Sullivan at one point.
01:14:13.720He didn't recognize you and he supported you.
01:14:16.220Biden's cabinet apparently did not convene those discussions.
01:14:54.780There's even stuff in the book that is kind of new, just about like certain like particular things that Biden couldn't do, the things they did to cover up.
01:15:02.220There were times he didn't know where he was.
01:15:04.480He couldn't follow a train of thought.
01:15:05.820And yet I was always noticing in 2024 and 2023, there were major policy announcement being made all the time.
01:15:12.180And the question I was always asking was, who's making these policy announcements?
01:15:15.960Like who's running the executive branch?
01:15:17.940Who ran the government for the last like year or year and a half or two years now that everybody admits that Biden couldn't?
01:15:24.060Isn't that like a remarkable scandal for democracy that secret people in the dark who weren't elected had to assume the presidency by committee or in some other way because Joe Biden couldn't and the Democratic Party and the media all conspired to cover it up to get him a second term for four more years?
01:15:40.620That, I think, is like genuinely disturbing as a question that's really not being delved into enough.
01:17:06.560And the costs were not just politically, but in a profound way.
01:17:13.320I think for the generation, the costs were profound.
01:17:15.600And I think anybody who was involved, who was, by the way, obviously doing their best to deal with a crisis that killed a million Americans.
01:17:21.560But I think most people involved would like to be able to have found a way to safely get more schools open more quickly.
01:17:27.740Obviously, pay more attention to the border.
01:17:31.520And that's going to be something that you can't just, like, take your time to deal with.
01:17:37.060Even though you spent your entire political lifetime believing that the economy and jobs are the same thing, and if you have lots of jobs, it's a good economy.
01:17:44.820And if you have a problem with jobs, it's a bad economy.
01:17:49.080Remember that prices is just as big a part of the economy.
01:17:52.860It just hasn't come up much in the last 40 years, right?
01:18:00.380Where was he when all of the rest of us were out there calling for them to reopen the schools?
01:18:07.840When kids, poor kids in particular, were suffering from massive learning loss,
01:18:11.940and it was being reported and was obvious, and the kids who needed to get out of the house because there was abuse happening in their homes.
01:18:20.940And not only did they lose the means of escaping that abuse, but they lost their contact with the first reporters, who tend to be teachers.
01:21:06.060Now we're just going to move on and we're just going to forget how the border got opened for four years,
01:21:12.400letting millions flood in to kill and maim and rape and hook on drugs so many innocent Americans.
01:21:19.940I don't know what I did to you, Megan, but you're showing me like the worst people saying the worst things throughout this entire show.
01:21:25.460And it's like I'm trying so hard to endure it, but it's one after the next.
01:21:28.420No, because, like, also remember the Democrats kept saying it's so, you know, this was their big excuse was we would love to help close the border.
01:21:38.120The problem is that we can't because we need bipartisan legislation to do it.
01:21:41.420And Trump blocked it in order to get a political advantage in the election.
01:21:44.860Trump didn't have bipartisan legislation on the border, and yet he single-handedly got the border closed exactly the way that Republicans were saying Joe Biden could have done with the stroke of a pen had he really wanted to.
01:21:56.540Look at how often the things that they're saying, like vehemently and loudly and in their media, end up being disproven.
01:22:03.160And then Ruben Gallego is like, OK, I guess he accomplished this little trivial thing where he closed the border.
01:22:08.560Let's move on now to some other debate where we can focus on moving forward.
01:22:12.340He's also out there because he's an Arizona Democrat trying to moderate on the issue of boys and girls sports.
01:22:20.740In that same interview, he says there are some sports that some of these trans children should not be playing, adding that it should be up to local institutions like school boards or associations to figure out the games and sports where there, quote, should be separation based on biology.
01:22:34.260OK, and then he went on to talk about how the messaging trans kids needs to be super kind.
01:22:37.980OK, they're going through this right now in California, where Gavin Newsom came out and gave that lip service to Charlie Kirk.
01:22:43.540It's unfair. It's unfair. And then when pressed, when he was not standing next to Charlie Kirk, said, gee, you know, it just affects such a small number of people.
01:22:50.260I can't really figure out what to do about it. So sorry. I can't figure it out.
01:22:53.800What am I going to do anything? And now it's really coming to a head in California because here we are Thursday, tomorrow's Friday,
01:23:00.920and the state championships in track and field for high school is there tomorrow.
01:23:04.980They are tomorrow. Sorry, Saturday. And the din is getting very, very loud, even amongst California liberal parents saying this boy who says he's a girl should not compete.
01:23:19.140He's stolen enough medals and blue ribbons and top spots from our girls.
01:23:24.620He should not compete. And the local like the California foundation that runs sports has now after Trump issued a very scathing truth social post saying,
01:23:37.300I'm going to sick the DOJ on you for not abiding by Title IX, which he now has done, and I'm going to stop it.
01:23:45.480I'm not going to let this boy compete in. And there really are means of doing it if he wants to get serious about it.
01:23:51.100But what he's really trying to do is uphold a federal law that would take precedence over the local, quote, human rights laws, which is what California is relying on.
01:24:00.560And we talked about this with Dersh yesterday, but obviously because of the supremacy clause, he does have the right to do that.
01:24:05.260So in the wake of all that, this local board says, oh, two things.
01:24:10.680First, they just said, we're going to let girls who didn't get to go to states because of this boy's presence in their preliminaries go.
01:24:17.660So if they only take the top two and you were you came in third behind a boy, a girl, and you were the third place finisher, you can go.
01:24:29.080You can go compete in states. So, OK, that's not going to fix this, but it's at least something.
01:24:34.820And now they're saying we're going to have multiple winners in the events.
01:24:43.120So if there's a boy competing and he takes first, but then a girl will come in second.
01:24:52.220They're being kind of cagey about exactly how.
01:24:53.780But they're saying they'll have more spots on the winner's podium for girls.
01:24:58.640And let's just be as generous to them as humanly possible saying, OK, so we can both be first.
01:25:04.340We both are first. I'm the first girl and you're the first pretend girl.
01:25:09.020And this is supposed to satisfy all these girls because they're not entitled, Glenn, to have the glorious joy of actually getting the highest score.
01:25:16.880The glorious joy of actually being the winner, not the co-winner, not the also winner, not the other one on the very top podium.
01:25:29.420The rightful winner in the girls track and field state finals.
01:25:36.440Shit's going to hit the fan. This is not solved. Your thoughts.
01:25:38.760You know, I know a lot of people who I think have a like a good faith belief that trans kids or whatever should be able to participate in the sports of the gender that I identify, whatever.
01:25:50.260I'm not one of them. But I know there are people who who do believe that.
01:25:53.800Obviously, there are. The issue, though, is if you have some social justice movement, you cannot shove advancements or progress that you regard as such down the throats of the American people.
01:26:03.760When they're saying they're 80 percent, 85 percent opposed to it across the entire ideological spectrum, you have to just say, OK, now is not the time and we can actually get this.
01:26:12.580Maybe down the road we'll convince people. But right now it's an impossible issue.
01:26:15.960And everybody knows that the Democrats keep giving Trump this huge gift where he gets to be like the hero who rides in and protects girls sports in a way that most Americans agree with.
01:26:24.660And it makes the Democrats look bizarre and out of touch. And that's why that ad that Trump ran against comical was so effective.
01:26:30.280The question then is, are Democrats just dumb? Like, do they want to just keep pursuing a policy that only 20 percent of the people support and 80 percent?
01:26:39.480No. The issue is the LGBT lobby is a huge constituent funding base for the Democratic Party now.
01:26:46.600It is massive. And they used to be dispersed. They used to work on like gay marriage issues and discrimination issues.
01:26:51.920All of that is one. And instead of packing up, they all work on the trans issue.
01:26:56.180They're very, very well funded. They fund Democratic Party institutions, the candidate to a massive degree.
01:27:01.660And those groups do not permit Democratic politicians or Democratic candidates to take what is the obviously politically astute thing to say and say,
01:27:09.660you know, trans adults deserve respect, but we're not at the point we can let these people participate.
01:27:14.400And these interest groups in the Democratic Party are going to absolutely destroy them because this is an issue people feel strongly about.
01:27:21.680And they've said it over and over and they've proven it over and over.
01:27:24.200I got to tell you, there was a teacher at my daughter's school who chose the wrong child to mislead because another girl asked this teacher about the issue of boys playing in girls sports.
01:27:39.400My daughter was standing right next to her and he told them there are only like 10 of them.
01:27:44.440I don't know why this is even an issue. All right.
01:27:46.460This is a man who I believe is in his 60s telling two 14 year old girls it's a non-issue.
01:27:52.980So he will never have to endanger himself. My daughter's a soccer player.
01:27:57.680She's not in track and field. There actually is danger to her. Actual danger.
01:28:02.520The girls who are in field hockey, the girls who are in rugby, the girls who are in ice hockey, the girls who are in baseball.
01:28:07.400You could go to the team sports, first of all, can never be addressed the way this fake bandaid is trying to address the track and field athletes out in California.
01:28:17.180You are in danger playing against a biological boy.
01:28:19.860Ask those girls in Lowell, Massachusetts, three of whom got hurt and they had to call the game because they were getting hurt and over and over and over by this guy.
01:28:28.780And it's a lie based on the John Oliver monologue, which pulled this line from the NCAA president who said,
01:28:35.200I only know of 10 out trans people competing in NCAA sports.
01:28:41.260But I just want to tell you something.
01:28:42.780OK, I want the audience to understand this.
01:28:45.500Out Sports, which is a pro LGBTQ organization.
01:28:49.320Out Sports says in its in a recent article that they.
01:28:55.260Have been that there have been well over 40 out trans athletes competing in college sports.
01:29:01.700And they go on to say, quote, Out Sports knows that there are countless other trans athletes who have competed at the collegiate levels who have not been publicly out.
01:29:11.360They go on to say three of these trans people have won national championships.
01:29:16.520And as for high schoolers, which is what we're looking at in California and what my daughter is about to go into middle school now, high schoolers.
01:29:23.660The UCLA School of Law put out these estimates in just February, a few months ago, February of 2025, quoting,
01:29:32.860We estimate there are as many as one hundred and twenty two thousand transgender youth between the ages of 13 and 17 who could be participating in high school level team athletics right now.
01:29:45.240One hundred and twenty two thousand, not ten.
01:29:49.780And this is not just a California problem.
01:29:52.260It's not just a Lowell, Massachusetts problem.
01:30:07.920I mean, Trump just demonstrated that it has a huge political punch.
01:30:11.800And again, I don't even necessarily think it's because people know these statistics of how many trans athletes there are.
01:30:17.440It has all kinds of other implications.
01:30:19.220Like if you believe that trans girls should be able to participate in girls sports in high school, it has all those other implications for them.
01:30:26.480The minute a prisoner says I'm a trans woman, they get put into facilities with women prisoners.
01:30:45.480And this idea that you're going to force it down their throats and not care about how often they keep telling you that they don't want it.
01:30:52.440And not only don't they want it, but that they're willing to vote on it because it is a proxy to make it seem like Democrats, you know, the perception of Democrats is they don't care what most Americans think.
01:31:04.040And this is such a perfect proxy for showing that that Democrats keep ignoring the fact that 80 percent of the public doesn't want any of these things because they think they know better.
01:31:12.900And they're just out of touch with the things Americans care about.
01:31:15.460It's politically it's political poison, but I'm telling you, it's because of these interest groups that keep demanding it.
01:31:22.060Yeah, I always like volleyball, field hockey, basketball.
01:31:26.680Like it doesn't work to just say everyone gets a trophy.
01:31:30.320There are actual safety issues in most sports.
01:32:56.840She's represented by CAA, who is clearly having trouble getting her bookings because she's over in Australia giving a speech to a real estate convention, which I have been represented by CAA.
01:33:10.280Let me tell you, this is not the highbrow booking.
01:33:12.860No offense to my Aussie real estate friends, but this, I'm sure Kamala Harris was hoping for something a little more prestigious and in the U.S.
01:33:23.740But she's not getting it because no one wants to pay for her, of course, because she's not, she just says nothing.
01:33:30.880So she goes over there, and what's interesting is I guess she forgot that there's a camera on her because we are familiar with these lines, but maybe the Aussies aren't.
01:33:41.860And she rolls out this old chestnut, Glenn, which we heard from her so many times during the campaign.
01:34:44.600She was also a national laughingstock because of her complete lack of political skill or ability, including being forced out to drop out of the 2020 race before a single vote was cast.
01:34:55.800And she had absolutely no idea what she was talking about on anything other than law and prosecutions.
01:35:00.280But also, there were articles recently about Joe Biden's difficulty in having that post-presidential suck up of millions of dollars because they go speak to think tank groups or investment banks or get paid massive amounts for speeches.
01:35:15.480Nobody wants to hear Joe Biden speak because everyone knows his brain is melting, but also because he has this sense of defeat and scandal and loserishness.
01:35:24.760And no one really wanted to hear Biden before.
01:35:27.880She was, I mean, the way the media pretended for about two months that she was some cultural phenomenon that the entire country was coalescing around because they were so excited by her dynamism and charisma was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
01:35:42.760And what would Kamala Harris have to say about anything?
01:35:46.940And also, I don't think it's odd that the last two or three weeks of her presidency was devoted to the idea that Trump really was a fascist, really was Hitler, really was coming to dismantle democracy.
01:35:57.780He then wins, gets into office, and she just disappears.
01:36:01.520As a citizen of the United States, she's not using her plot.
01:36:06.180Yeah, she's going to like Broadway shows.
01:36:08.100And then that weird, wouldn't you be so embarrassed to go give a paid speech to real estate interest in Australia?
01:36:13.700Because everybody would know that that's the only people who are willing to have you.
01:36:18.320That's the problem is like, you know, it'd be one thing if that were like the heels of a 10-city tour and like, okay, she wanted to see Australia.
01:37:44.980Like, I would honestly pay not to hear that speech more readily than I would pay to hear it.
01:37:52.260But, you know, the thing that I just realized, and I've been realizing this before, but it came to me in this, like, very specific way with that really particularly, like, just grading clip.
01:38:00.740She talks in, like, with the kind of superficial wisdom of, like, a very basic self-help book, like the kind of paperback that you pick up about how to, like, you know, seize the future or whatever.
01:38:13.100And they're very simplistic ideas, but she says them as though they're the most profound philosophical revelations.
01:38:20.380And the, like, incompatibility of the way she delivers it as though she's so thoughtful and perceptive and brilliant, combined with the utter idiocy and simplicity of what she's telling you.
01:38:32.200Like, it's like a sixth grade lecture on, like, believing in yourself and nothing more other than, like, these drunk asides that are sometimes annoying.
01:38:40.520It's one of the worst things to have to sit and listen to and endure.
01:38:43.420I'd rather watch Michelle Obama's podcast.
01:38:45.640Right. I can't remember what show or movie it was, but they were mocking, like, the self-help industry.
01:38:52.760And some character had just read a book or written one called Into Me See.
01:39:08.860We're going to keep Glenn for a few extra minutes because we have to get into what Dan Bongino, deputy director at the FBI now, said to Fox about Jeffrey Epstein and a couple of other key investigations that the FBI just renewed.
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