The Megyn Kelly Show - Woke Hypocrisy Infects Elite Institutions, and How the GOP Can Win in 2024, with Andrew Klavan and Carl Higbie

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.860 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Later today, we have a guest

00:00:16.480 who helped turn his blue East Coast town red this year. Does he have the model for the GOP in 2024?

00:00:26.740 I'm really looking forward to this conversation. One man who actually did it and how. But we begin

00:00:32.420 with the reckoning at top colleges across America. Harvard President Claudine Gay is not going the way

00:00:39.320 of Penn's Liz McGill, at least not yet. This woman hasn't met somebody who's slightly right of far

00:00:46.880 left, who she didn't want to cancel or kick out of Harvard. But she gets to keep her job because

00:00:53.260 she's black. She's a woman. She's clearly a DEI hire. And she says all the right things

00:00:59.080 to please her left wing board other than, oh, I condemn calls for genocide against the Jews.

00:01:06.640 This is absurd. Like I said with Tucker yesterday, even getting rid of Claudine Gay won't change a

00:01:12.820 damn thing about Harvard. It's lost. It's disgusting. They're on a different mission now

00:01:19.340 than they were generations ago to actually educate our best and brightest to become tomorrow's

00:01:24.380 leaders. Now they're on a mission to turn everyone into woke zombies who will vote Democrat.

00:01:30.900 And that mission continues. Claudine Gay, I mean, she pushed out people who were black,

00:01:37.900 who were white men, women, didn't matter any position that wasn't woke far left.

00:01:45.220 She loved to target. She lives to fight another day because God forbid this board get rid of

00:01:52.240 somebody like that. I'm sorry. It's absurd. Okay. Penn had a different position. They forced

00:02:02.600 their president to resign over the weekend, Liz McGill, in the wake of her terrible performance

00:02:06.480 before Congress last week, where she was talking about the law on free speech, like she was talking

00:02:11.840 about, um, you know, her morning coffee, although it had to do with chance for the death of Jews.

00:02:18.020 It depends on the context. It depends on the pervasiveness. Was she wrong as a legal matter?

00:02:23.980 No, she wasn't. I said it at the time. Doesn't mean what she was saying had the correct tone or moral

00:02:31.860 condemnation of the content, which, you know, we would have heard had somebody been out there

00:02:36.880 chanting for death to black people wearing a hood. She couldn't find the moral outrage when it was

00:02:43.580 about Jews, which says a lot about Liz McGill and Claudine Gay and the other one, uh, who was out

00:02:51.480 there from MIT. All these women are straight out of central casting. So, so far, Claudine is weathering

00:02:59.540 the storm, notwithstanding the fact that she appears to be a cheat too. She appears to have plagiarized,

00:03:04.960 not just one, uh, time in her dissertation, but the examples are coming out over and over.

00:03:12.760 The free beacon has a big post today, Eliana's publication. Um, Claudine doesn't really much

00:03:17.740 like citing people whose ideas she's stealing from the look of it. Um, and so they want her to stay

00:03:23.760 because the other idea that she's stealing is that it's fine to condemn Jews and call for their deaths

00:03:29.880 on campuses. Yes. She only reversed that position when she was brow beaten to within an inch of

00:03:35.160 losing her job. And then finally she saw the light. She for today has garnered the public support of

00:03:40.580 the Harvard corporation, which writes today that they reaffirm our support for president Gay's

00:03:47.220 continued leadership of Harvard university. And that our quote, extensive deliberations affirm our

00:03:53.220 confidence that president Gay is the right leader to help our community heal. And to address the very

00:03:59.540 serious societal issues we are facing. Woke ism. That's what they're saying. All the white racists.

00:04:05.560 She's the one to stare them down. The fact that she seems to be in favor of antisemitism,

00:04:10.860 we're going to give her a pass. You know, we know we've lost a bunch of money, but it's more

00:04:15.600 important to us to appease our super woke George Floyd, idealizing left flank. And Claudine is just the

00:04:23.140 gal. In fact, as you look back at Claudine's dissertation, which she apparently plagiarized large,

00:04:27.920 large portions of, as I mentioned, and some of her other writings coming under scrutiny,

00:04:32.200 you know, guess what they're all about? I mean, literally all of them race, race, race, black,

00:04:37.980 black, black, white, white, white, black, white, black, black, white. What if you're between black

00:04:41.680 and white? Like they are in Brazil. She writes about the Afro Brazilians. She she's never seen

00:04:46.800 something involving race. She doesn't want to condemn in a way because she finds it threatening or

00:04:50.780 upsetting or bad for black people. But if you're a Jew, you're on your own. Sorry, Claudine doesn't quite

00:04:57.700 see how you've been oppressed by all the calls for generous genocide. That's where she draws the

00:05:03.500 line. And apparently so does the Harvard board. They are. They too don't give a damn. And what's

00:05:09.300 going to happen now that she's been reaffirmed. They're saying she's the one to lead Harvard forward

00:05:13.980 in its fight against antisemitism. Oh, she is. Okay. So here's what's going to happen. She's now going

00:05:21.960 to triple down on any call. That sounds like antisemitism because she's scared. She's scared

00:05:28.240 for her own hide. She doesn't want to be fired as the president of Harvard. Right. It's embarrassing.

00:05:33.760 So she's going to double down on that. And while she does, she's going to double down on every other

00:05:38.880 quote, hateful statements. Harvard is going to go a different way instead of learning its lesson

00:05:44.380 about free speech and universal applications. You mark my words. They're going to crack down on things

00:05:49.520 even more. There's not going to be a Riley Gaines appearance on Harvard university ever or anybody

00:05:54.820 who sounds like her. Um, so it's going to be an overcorrection. This whole thing will have wound up

00:06:00.720 hurting the free speech such as it is at Harvard, uh, even more than it already has been. Joining me

00:06:08.400 now to discuss that many other things. Andrew Klavan. He's hosted the daily wires, Andrew Klavan show

00:06:13.460 and author of the book, the house of love and death available right now. Good Christmas gift.

00:06:19.920 Check it out. Andrew, welcome back. So what do you, what do you think of what I said? What does Harvard

00:06:26.540 do now that they've reaffirmed Claudine Gay in this position? Well, you're absolutely right that the key

00:06:31.700 thing about her is that she's a DEI hire. They can't fire her without actually rejecting the core

00:06:37.020 philosophy that caused her to make such a mistake in testimony to begin with. The problem with what

00:06:43.280 she said and what Liz McGill said and the other woman from MIT is that it actually was reflective

00:06:49.820 of an overall philosophy. You know, I'm, I'm very much in favor of forgiving people who make silly

00:06:54.820 statements. We all make silly statements. So many of us are on the air all the time. You might say

00:06:58.940 something that they want to cancel you for. And I always feel like if it doesn't reflect your heart,

00:07:03.100 if it doesn't reflect your philosophy, let it go, we should be eager to let things go and eager to

00:07:07.560 show grace. But the problem with what these people said is that it was an actual reflection

00:07:11.700 of an overall philosophy that puts Jews in a place that no other minority is in. And the Jews,

00:07:18.900 as I've always said, I always insist on this, Jew hatred is unique. It is not part of the other,

00:07:24.320 the othering of other people. It is something very specific. It's a rejection of all of Western

00:07:29.440 civilization because the Jews wrote the book that gave us the God that transformed classical,

00:07:35.080 the classical mindset into the European mindset. They are the people who gave us the identity we

00:07:40.960 have. And so the rejection of them is really a rejection of all of Western culture, of all of

00:07:45.600 religious culture. And they mean it. They, they mean that hatred, that hatred against the West,

00:07:50.880 that hatred against freedom, that hatred against the American way where they attack Israel only as a

00:07:55.780 proxy for the rest of us. So calling gay is, is not going to go away for now, but you know, the last

00:08:02.440 time we talked, Megan, you said that this is going to be a moment when these people are exposed. I was

00:08:07.460 a little skeptical because I don't think they're exposing anything. I think the people who support

00:08:12.500 them already know what they believe, already know who they are, and they mean it. They mean to hate the

00:08:17.040 West. They mean to hate the Jews. They mean to hate the God of the Bible. They mean all of that

00:08:21.260 stuff. And none of that is hidden from the people who already support them. But I'm a little bit

00:08:26.060 more hopeful now because I was, I was pretty amazed at the widespread reaction against what these

00:08:33.840 people said. I was expecting a lot more from the buttheads, the but, but, but, and while she meant

00:08:39.080 this, and while she was trying to say this, but really they didn't peek their heads over the

00:08:43.640 barabit because they would have had their heads taken off as they deserve. This is not a question

00:08:48.680 of free speech. These people are not in favor of free speech. As you point out, you can't go to

00:08:53.500 these colleges as a conservative without starting a riot, a riot that is often caused by the

00:08:58.220 administration. It's not about free speech. It is about the hatred of the West, the hatred of the

00:09:02.460 Jews, the hatred of the biblical worldview in a general sense, not like you have to believe in

00:09:08.360 everything the Bible says, but simply in the way that the Bible infiltrates everything we think and

00:09:12.480 everything we are. So, you know, I, I actually think that maybe people and, and maybe important

00:09:18.600 people, people with money, the money that supports these universities are beginning to see that this

00:09:24.320 is a mistake. You know, Jews are hiding out like Anne Frank in these universities. They're ditching

00:09:29.000 their symbols of their faith and their symbols of their, uh, you know, racial identity so that

00:09:33.480 they're not attacked and nobody's doing a damn thing about it. We hear a lot about Islamophobia,

00:09:38.720 but the, the statistics show that the increase in anti-Jewish hate crimes is huge, where the

00:09:47.460 increase in Islamophobic hate crimes is small and coming up from almost nothing. So this,

00:09:54.060 this is a real philosophy, a real revelation, a real exposure of something central to the DEI woke idea.

00:10:02.000 And I think you may be right, Megan. I think maybe this is getting out. Maybe people are seeing this

00:10:06.340 and Harvard is going to make a stand. Let them try it. Let's see what happens.

00:10:11.640 Yeah. I do think we're winning over every woke Jewish American, every Jewish American to the

00:10:19.460 extent they were out there. They're now on our side. They get it. They get it in an acute way,

00:10:24.080 other than these weird, uh, what is it? Jewish voices for peace, which are that they're not real.

00:10:29.600 That's not a real thing. Um, they're not pro Israel and they're certainly not pro Jewish

00:10:33.920 persons. They're on the other side. But in any event, here's the thing about Claudine Gay. And I,

00:10:38.500 I maintain my optimism that you and I discussed. However, I'm not optimistic about people like

00:10:44.300 Claudine Gay and the way, like what's happening on the university systems is just, it's a joke.

00:10:49.660 And even getting rid of Claudine Gay wouldn't have helped, but at least it would have sent some sort

00:10:53.240 of a message. Here's instead what they've done. And these people are so disgusting. God,

00:10:57.160 it's disgusting. People want to get their kid into this school and listen to this, this board.

00:11:03.820 Um, okay. Penny Pritzker. We talked with Tucker yesterday. The Pritzkers,

00:11:08.220 they're like the number one funders of the trans agenda. They're the ones trying to shove,

00:11:12.740 you know, your boy can be a girl into every third grade in America. She's on the board.

00:11:18.100 She's one of the ones who decided that Claudine Gay can stay. You go down the list.

00:11:22.300 It's mostly women. I have to say, I'm sorry to condemn my own sex, but these women,

00:11:28.720 they tend to be the worst when it comes to wokeism. They're just pathetic in there.

00:11:32.380 They think they're being empathetic and instead they're just being pathetic

00:11:35.280 and they need to grow a pair. Okay. Here's what they say. First of all,

00:11:40.380 president Gay has apologized. She's apologized for how she handled her congressional testimony.

00:11:45.540 Well, guess who didn't give two dams about an apology when a young man who had gone to the

00:11:51.920 Parkland school down in Florida, where there had been that terrible school shooting applied to

00:11:55.760 Harvard and got in. Then it came out that he was part of this conversation with a bunch of other

00:12:00.640 nimrods who were 16 years old at the time where he said hateful things. He used the N word and he

00:12:07.460 said something, a phrase like kill all the effing Jews. However, he came out immediately and said,

00:12:14.200 this was a, an absurd conversation in which a bunch of adolescents were intentionally trying to

00:12:19.460 use the worst words and say the most insane things imaginable. This was not this guy expressing

00:12:24.160 a genuinely held opinion. It was a bunch of dopes at 16 years old saying provocative things to be

00:12:31.400 more provocative. Guess what he did? He apologized when those private texts, uh, not, not public

00:12:38.060 testimony before Congress surfaced. Do you think Claudine Gay gave him a pass? No. She put the boot

00:12:43.820 on the forehead and shoved him right out of Harvard, a kid. He didn't get any grace from Claudine Gay.

00:12:50.920 Then they say, um, well, we, we unanimous and unanimously stand in support of her at Harvard.

00:12:57.560 We champion open discourse and academic freedom. Okay. I'm just going to give you a couple. I know,

00:13:04.700 you know, this, uh, Ron Sullivan, he was a Dean of one of these schools. He got booted out of that

00:13:09.360 position because he had the temerity as a defense lawyer to represent Harvey Weinstein. That's it.

00:13:15.020 That was his sin. He did what criminal defense lawyers do. He represented a client who was in

00:13:19.600 trouble with the criminal law for that. He lost his post, but they champion open discourse and

00:13:24.480 academic freedom. This was outside of his role as a Dean. This is in his like private life outside of

00:13:31.200 Harvard where he works as a lawyer. David Cain taught at Harvard in 2020. He was accused of writing

00:13:37.240 offensive blog posts under a pseudonym. What were his sins? He claimed that most black students

00:13:44.200 at Williams college wouldn't have been admitted if not for affirmative action and that Williams would

00:13:50.120 be wrong to punish students for political speech. Even if that speech were in support of white

00:13:55.420 nationalist groups. Well, he's right. He's right. I mean, there's been, you know, KKK marches in this

00:14:02.200 country that's allowed in the United States of America. You can't punish people for it. You can

00:14:06.060 choose not to hire them, but you can't fire somebody for saying, Hey, we have a first amendment,

00:14:10.560 which is all he said. He, uh, got, got the boot. His one year contract was not renewed by Harvard.

00:14:17.920 Then there's Carol Hoeven. This case has been in the news for quite some time. She was a lecturer

00:14:23.500 on human evolutionary biology, human evolutionary biology. She knows a thing or two about this

00:14:28.220 subject at Harvard. When promoting a scholarly book about testosterone, she suggested on national

00:14:34.020 television, there are two biological sexes, two by a lot, male and female in response, a graduate

00:14:41.220 student who also served as the director of the DEI group at Harvard denounced her as a transphobe.

00:14:47.020 And guess what? Her colleagues stopped talking to her. The administration failed to defend her.

00:14:52.080 The graduate students bullied her. This is all in the Atlantic, not a right-wing publication.

00:14:57.120 And she was forced to take a leave of absence, said that in, as of January 23,

00:15:02.000 she retired from her long-term teaching and administrative job at Harvard. I don't remember

00:15:08.900 the support of open discourse and academic freedom for Carol Hoeven, who once again, unlike Claudine

00:15:17.320 Gay, was making, making comments more in the personal lane, not in her official role as a

00:15:23.300 professor. These people are disgusting hypocrites, Andrew.

00:15:28.240 Well, and not only that, what she was saying was true. And you left out Larry Summers, who was

00:15:32.800 president of Harvard and had to resign because he suggested that among the many reasons why women

00:15:38.220 may not join math and STEM was that it's possible that at the highest level of math and STEM, men are

00:15:44.700 better at it than women are, which statistics do. And Roland Fryer. Roland Fryer, who came to the

00:15:50.040 conclusion that there is not a massive problem with racism in police shootings and was promptly

00:15:55.440 defunded thanks to two trumped up BS small ball alleged Me Too allegations against him.

00:16:02.560 Who stuck the knife in and twisted it? Claudine Gay. Who wanted him not only to have his research lab

00:16:09.080 defunded, which happened, but to have his tenure revoked? A black professor. Claudine Gay. This

00:16:15.320 woman now who we're supposed to, oh, well, she apologized. She's the one to lead us into tomorrow.

00:16:21.080 And they go on to say, uh, she'll address antisemitism and other forms of hate effectively and

00:16:29.040 courageously. It's the other forms of hate that saved her ass, Andrew, and namely her imagined hate

00:16:35.860 by all white people against any persons of color. You know, people don't understand what happens to

00:16:42.220 conservative speakers when they go to these universities and almost all universities with

00:16:46.440 any kind of left wing bent whatsoever. They think the students come out and protest and riot and

00:16:51.240 heckle us. And that that's true. They do. But before that happens, the administration gins them up.

00:16:56.740 A lot of these students don't know a conservative speaker from Adam. You know, they're not listening

00:17:00.740 to the Daily Wire. They're not listening to you. They're not listening. They don't really know who

00:17:05.860 we are a lot of the time because they're completely sequestered within a left wing bubble. The reason

00:17:10.640 they come out and the reason they get excited is because the administration, especially the DEI parts

00:17:15.640 of the administration, send out pages and papers to instigate that kind of anger by taking quotes out of

00:17:23.000 context, by making us look like we're hateful or we're, you know, brutal in some sort of

00:17:27.820 philosophical way, and by telling them that words are violence, which is hilarious when you're actually

00:17:34.500 not protesting against people calling for the extermination of the Jews. So this is embedded

00:17:40.120 in the university. This is not something that students just pops into students' heads. This is not

00:17:45.620 something that they get from their professors and then they translate it into action. This is something

00:17:49.880 that the administration is selling very, very hard. And so any kind of defense of what she's saying

00:17:55.700 in terms of free speech, in terms of tolerance is a complete lie and complete hypocrisy. I'm not even

00:18:01.400 sure I would go as far as you would in defending free speech in the sense that I believe that calling

00:18:07.720 for violence against people is actually a legal speech. I mean, you can't call on people to kill each

00:18:14.300 other and threaten people with physical violence. That is in fact illegal. And some of the things

00:18:19.880 that are happening are so threatening to Jewish students that, as I say, they're living on campus

00:18:24.560 like Anne Frank, hiding away. I think that there is absolutely reason to expel some of the people

00:18:31.340 who take those actions and to call for them to stop and to penalize them. Again, I'm a free speech

00:18:38.200 purist. I believe you can put forward any idea that you want. But if you express that idea in terms of

00:18:43.740 threats and violence, I think that that's actually illegal and violates even your First Amendment

00:18:48.520 rights. Listen, this is not, it's as you said before, it's not about Claudine Gay. It is about

00:18:53.960 a poisonous, toxic philosophy. Everything about DEI is wrong. Diversity is not our strength. I'm

00:19:00.500 thrilled to live in a multi-ethnic country, but what brings us together is our unity and the philosophy

00:19:05.680 expressed by the Declaration of Independence and made into law by the Constitution. That's what

00:19:10.180 brings us together. That's our strength, that we're unified in this. Equity is another name for

00:19:14.820 injustice. Justice is when people get what they deserve. Equity is when people get things because

00:19:19.120 of the color of their skin. And inclusion, again, is not a moral, it's not a moral standard. You don't

00:19:26.080 include people who despise the principles for which we stand. You know, America does allow free speech,

00:19:32.460 but it allows free speech because it has an image of the human being expressed in our Declaration as a

00:19:38.140 God, a person created by God to have certain natural rights. That's why we believe in free speech.

00:19:43.780 So you can have free speech, but you have it under the rules, you know, created by our founding

00:19:49.260 documents. The fact, these people are against all that. They're against our founding documents,

00:19:54.100 but they're against it for thee, but not for me. They're against it when you do it as all the

00:19:58.880 examples you put forward, but not when Claudine Gay does it. This is a ratchet that only turns one

00:20:03.880 way. It leads to silence. It leads to censorship. It leads to cancellation. It leads to the destruction of

00:20:08.600 people's careers on the basis of not just their philosophy, but the color of their skin and where they come

00:20:13.220 from, it is an evil. And what needs to be taken out is not just Claudine Gay, but the entire cancer

00:20:21.140 that has infected all of our, so many of our top universities. And that's what I'm hoping is being

00:20:26.080 exposed. I'm hoping people are beginning to scratch their heads and say, you know, this isn't just about

00:20:30.540 what she said in Congress. This is about the philosophy that caused her to say these things and that

00:20:36.640 still, that she still believes in, still represents as does the board of Harvard.

00:20:42.620 You know, there was an interesting discussion on Bill Maher this past weekend with our pal,

00:20:46.480 the guy from FIRE. And they were talking about the First Amendment and, you know, how far it goes,

00:20:51.700 because these universities say that they'll abide by the First Amendment principles, even though

00:20:54.800 they're private institutions. First Amendment governs what the government can do to you as a private

00:20:58.980 citizen, not what a private institution can do to silence your speech. But they all say that they

00:21:04.020 abide by First Amendment principles. And I thought they had a smart discussion in essentially saying,

00:21:10.460 look, look, globalize the Intifada. Yes, you can say that means kill all the Jews. Intifada can also

00:21:17.120 be defined as an uprising. I'm not saying I'm taking a position on it one way or another, but I can at

00:21:22.100 least see an argument that that general, quote, hate speech is not a First Amendment issue. Like you're

00:21:28.520 allowed to say it doesn't rise to the level of incitement. Some of the other chants definitely get

00:21:34.020 much closer. I mean, what they were chanting over in Australia, for example,

00:21:37.280 gas the Jews. Yeah, you're you're in trouble. Right. So and but there's a separate issue on

00:21:44.700 college campuses, which is what the two of them. Number one, they're required by federal law to

00:21:49.540 provide a safe learning environment for the students who are there. And they cannot be scared

00:21:53.900 because of their race, national origin, religion, gender. The university is not allowed to create an

00:22:01.920 environment for those students that is intolerable for one of those reasons. So there's the civil

00:22:06.760 rights laws that protect them in an extra way. And then on top of that, which is really the heart of

00:22:11.840 the issue, Harvard has anti-harassment, anti-bullying laws or policies that it applies at the drop of a

00:22:20.000 hat. If the speaker is white, never mind conservative and God forbid wearing a MAGA hat,

00:22:26.980 but they don't apply when the speaker is a member of Students for Justice in Palestine and the

00:22:34.520 offended party or threatened party is a Jew. And that is where her double standard was most glaring.

00:22:40.500 And I believe that's why Liz McGill got fired, because she didn't misstate the law. She lost

00:22:47.500 her humanity and forgot about the separate duty to enforce their anti-bullying, anti-harassment policies

00:22:54.140 equally, depending, irrespective of the targeted group. I want to get to, because I know you've

00:23:00.640 got a Hollywood background, very successful Hollywood screenwriter and author, as I mentioned,

00:23:05.220 and this is kind of a toe in the Hollywood world, SNL. You know, it's all these comedians,

00:23:10.820 actors on one of the most popular shows in America for some 50 years, less so now, but it's been.

00:23:16.940 And, you know, you would think this would be TV gold to get out there and mock Claudine Gay and Liz

00:23:25.720 McGill and the other gal from MIT, Sally, who was also a nightmare. She's kind of escaping a lot of

00:23:31.960 notice. They went the other way. The skit this past Saturday wasn't about mocking the absurdity of

00:23:40.160 their cold, thoughtless, emotionless responses. It was all about Elise Stefanik. Watch this.

00:23:47.260 Now, I'm going to start screaming questions at these women, like I'm Billy Eichner.

00:23:53.820 Anti-Semitism, yay or nay?

00:23:56.760 I'm sorry, what?

00:23:58.460 Yes or no is calling for the genocide of Jews against the code of conduct for Harvard.

00:24:04.340 Well, it depends on the context.

00:24:06.620 You pen lady. Same question, yes or no?

00:24:09.940 Well, we are serious about stopping all forms of hatred, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia.

00:24:15.500 The second one, MIT lady, chance to steal. And keep in mind, if you don't say yes,

00:24:23.060 you're going to make me look good, which is really, really hard to do.

00:24:29.860 She went on to say,

00:24:33.540 hate speech belongs in Congress. This is the fake Stefanik.

00:24:38.600 Hate speech belongs in Congress, on Elon Musk's Twitter, in private dinners with my donors,

00:24:46.120 and in public speeches with my husband, Donald Trump.

00:24:51.200 They couldn't resist, to the point where even the ADLs, this is a left-wing group that hates

00:24:56.420 right-wingers, came out and said this skit was atrocious and other blowback against it, too.

00:25:02.480 SNL creator Lorne Michaels was born Jewish.

00:25:04.640 I'm not sure whether he weighed in on this or not, but what did you make of it?

00:25:09.260 Well, first of all, it was insanely unfunny. I mean, it was absolutely laugh-free.

00:25:14.060 And as you say, it would have been so much easier to go after the universities and the way they think,

00:25:19.300 but they can't, they simply cannot do it. The monopoly of this thought in Hollywood is almost

00:25:25.660 complete, and it's so complete that they don't even know how complete it is. Listen, I get calls

00:25:30.760 all the time from people who can't get work simply because they're white at this point. You only have

00:25:35.960 to turn on Netflix to see that you can't see, for instance, a couple who is white in a drama.

00:25:42.940 Every couple has to be mixed race. Every story has to involve race at some level. We're constantly

00:25:50.020 being preached to in subtle ways through the things that they do. And as somebody who, as I said,

00:25:55.580 am thrilled to live in a country that is multi-ethnic and brings us all together through

00:26:00.680 a philosophy instead of through our races, I think that's a wonderful, wonderful thing. But I don't

00:26:04.840 want the people in Hollywood telling me what I have to think, what I have to see. Just let them do

00:26:08.680 stories about the world the way it is, and that would be fine with me. The blacklist out there is

00:26:14.200 real. The people who disagree with this point of view cannot get work. Even the slightest thought

00:26:21.020 that a man can't become a woman is enough to render you unemployable. And it's a sin because

00:26:28.320 it's a kind of a toxin that seeps into people's minds without their even knowing it. And it leads

00:26:33.580 to fear. This is one of the things, you know, when America was just getting started, when Tocqueville

00:26:38.700 was talking about America, the thing that made Americans different than other people was not that

00:26:43.340 they were equal in terms of the money that they made. It was that they were equal in that no matter

00:26:48.780 how much money they made, they weren't afraid to express their opinions. This is what Tocqueville

00:26:52.900 wrote after he came and visited America. It was amazing to him that the underclasses were just

00:26:57.740 as valuable and free in addressing their opinions as the upper class. It was nobody was going to be

00:27:03.640 quiet if he was an American. That was your right and your opinion mattered. They have now, the left has

00:27:09.140 now managed to shroud this country in fear. It's pitiful. I mean, for someone who has seen better days

00:27:17.000 than these, it is, it is absolutely pitiful to see Americans trembling in their shoes when they're

00:27:22.860 asked questions like, what is a woman? Or, you know, do you have to, is it wrong to call for the

00:27:27.720 extermination of the Jews? Or is it possible that there's too much violence in the Islamist community?

00:27:34.080 These are things that are facts that are provable, that are statistic based, and people are afraid to

00:27:40.340 open their mouths and say them because they have created this culture of fear. And because frankly,

00:27:45.840 we on the right have not created a counterculture of courage, but instead have lived too long bowing

00:27:52.960 to the moral standards of people who believe that you can kill babies five minutes before they're

00:27:58.580 born. You know, this is, this is a serious, serious cultural failure of the right. The people

00:28:05.700 in Hollywood, and I work with them, I know them, they live for love, you know, actors, even writers,

00:28:12.580 all kinds of artists, they're trying to win your love. They, they will do a lot of things for no

00:28:18.320 money whatsoever if they think it will win them applause and status and a place to belong. That's

00:28:24.560 who artists are in so many ways. The right has given them no place like that. It's given them no

00:28:29.480 places where they can get good reviews. It's given them no place where they can win awards. It's given

00:28:33.240 them no place where they can create and be lauded. We are so ready, so ready to condemn artists for the

00:28:39.920 fact that artists are a little crazy, that we don't actually welcome the things that they make.

00:28:45.280 And so the left has taken over the arts completely. And the arts are like a, I say,

00:28:50.680 they're like a toxin that gets, that has gotten into the blood of people and has caused them to be

00:28:55.300 afraid. It is pitiful. It is pitiful to see Americans who were known for at least 150 years

00:29:01.320 of our history as being fearless in the expression of our opinions, no matter what rank we held in the

00:29:06.820 social scale, it is pitiful to see those people shivering in fear of expressing what in fact is

00:29:13.760 the truth, that men can't become women, that there are differences in racial neighborhoods,

00:29:19.300 that there are problems with crime, that people who commit crime should be put away no matter what

00:29:23.440 color they are. These are the things that we're afraid to talk about and afraid to say because they

00:29:27.340 have taken over the culture. And the fact that the people at SNL, at Saturday Night Live,

00:29:32.300 could not come out and make jokes about the blindness of the Ivy League and the deafness of

00:29:38.320 the Ivy League when they hear cries for the extermination of the Jews. It's just part of

00:29:42.760 that. It's just the edge of the wedge. It's just the tip of the iceberg of the depth of the fear that

00:29:50.460 is now everywhere in our culture. And it's up to us on the right to fight back against it. It's up to

00:29:55.800 us on the right to create a world in which culture can be an art can be created that speaks back into

00:30:01.580 that fear. And we haven't done it. The it's been somewhat heartening to see Jewish Americans and

00:30:09.940 non-Jewish Americans take out their iPhones and film the people ripping down the posters.

00:30:16.940 Everybody's hero, Pauly, getting in the face of that guy. And that in that one confrontation,

00:30:21.680 like, you don't pull down those posters. You know, you got it. You got a right to object,

00:30:26.740 but you can't pull down the posters. I love him. And then each day we get like little nuggets of

00:30:31.360 good news. I want to give the audience this update. We covered this story last week when Farley's East

00:30:36.780 Cafe out in Oakland, California was three employees were caught on tape harassing a Jewish customer who

00:30:43.860 wanted to use the restroom. She wanted to use the restroom because we believe she had already been in

00:30:48.680 the restroom at another point or somebody had told her what was in the restroom, which was anti-Jew

00:30:52.980 graffiti. And she wanted to get it on her iPhone. And these three snot nosed employees

00:30:58.240 were completely rude, wouldn't let her in there, started harassing her about the Israel-Palestine

00:31:04.000 conflict. And until finally, finally, they opened the door. Here's a little bit of what happened.

00:31:09.360 We've given you all your food. I want to go into the restroom.

00:31:13.160 You're holding up shit. Also, currently, this is a private property. I want to go into the

00:31:17.560 restroom. I do need you to leave. I know Israel loves taking private property and saying it's

00:31:21.380 their own, but we got to head. You're not going to let me go into the restroom. I need you to leave.

00:31:26.940 I want you to go into the restroom. I need you to leave.

00:31:29.180 All right. And it went on like that. And finally, when they opened the door to the restroom,

00:31:32.760 you could see all this anti-Israel graffiti. And then that guy on the left gave her some lecture

00:31:39.620 about how history didn't start in 1948, lady. Well, a lovely update. They've all been fired.

00:31:46.940 Yay. They were all fired. Farley's East Cafe management said in a statement,

00:31:52.100 due to the incident, they fell short of the intended safe space. So they sought to create

00:31:57.540 when they opened this business 35 years ago. You think Farley's? By the way, they only did it

00:32:02.520 after public pressure on Farley's, Andrew, because originally there was no termination. But fine,

00:32:07.880 I'll take it however I can get it. That's as a result of that woman whipping out her iPhone,

00:32:13.040 filming the encounter, posting it. Somebody had to show some courage there. And that Jewish woman

00:32:18.260 was the person. Well, this is the thing that is incredibly hopeful about this moment, is that

00:32:24.020 the media has changed utterly. It has been transformed utterly by the internet, the attacks on social

00:32:31.980 media to try and silence conservative voices, the attacks on Elon Musk. You've come under attack.

00:32:37.980 Tucker Carlson is under attack. The Daily Wire comes under daily attack. All of these attacks

00:32:42.620 are failing. And they're failing in the same way that the unified Catholic Church failed when they

00:32:49.680 tried to take out the voices that rose up after the invention of the printing press. Not a hit on

00:32:53.880 Catholics, by the way. People who have the power don't want to give up the power. And that's what

00:32:58.120 we're witnessing today. It's failing and it's going to continue to fail. You're not going to be able to

00:33:03.100 silence all the people. It's just not going to happen. And so eventually, you know, we're going

00:33:07.580 to return to a place where there are people who feel responsible to tell the truth. That culture

00:33:14.180 disappeared. It disappeared before Donald Trump, but it started to disappear before Donald Trump. But

00:33:18.720 Donald Trump put pay to it. Once Donald Trump came up, you could say anything you wanted about him.

00:33:22.920 You could say anything you wanted about us, about conservatives. And it didn't matter. There was no

00:33:28.120 apology, no correction. You could just attack us and spread hateful lies and spread conspiracy

00:33:33.560 theories and call our true. When we spoke the truth, you could call what we say conspiracy theories.

00:33:38.640 That's beginning to crumble and it's going to continue to crumble. There is not going to be

00:33:42.900 silence on the right. There's not going to be silence anywhere. So this is a moment of hope. It's a

00:33:47.520 moment of change. It's a moment of struggle. But ultimately, I'm extremely hopeful that new voices

00:33:52.540 and more voices are going to rise up and start to speak. It's a really, it's just a fascinating

00:33:58.980 historical moment because we went from a place where there were three networks who delivered a

00:34:04.220 kind of monolithic news, but it was also a news that reflected the fact that we were a more unified

00:34:09.360 country. Now we've come to this point where we are absolutely divided and we're going to have to test

00:34:15.440 our ideas against one another. There are going to be debates in the press. There are going to be

00:34:19.480 conspiracy theories that rise up and are destroyed. There are going to be other theories that are

00:34:22.980 called conspiracy theories and then turn out to be true. It's happening now. And so, yeah, that iPhone

00:34:28.900 that as Andrew Breitbart said makes every man a journalist, every person a journalist is going to

00:34:34.300 have a very powerful effect. X now is going to have a very powerful effect. The spread of

00:34:41.640 different kinds of independent media, a Megyn Kelly show, a Tucker Carlson network, a Daily Wire,

00:34:48.080 all of these things are going to have a much bigger effect as we go forward. And I don't think it's

00:34:54.460 going to stop. There's all kinds of reasons for anxiety and fear, but I'm very hopeful that we're

00:34:59.120 going to win this fight to have more voices heard. And that's what you're seeing. We, you know, as you

00:35:03.760 said, those three people would not have been fired if that hadn't been caught on video. And once it's

00:35:08.100 caught on video, you know, it pretty well gets out there. And so the attempts to silence people are failing.

00:35:12.500 A Jewish person would ever go dine at Farley's East. It's absurd. But, you know, one of the themes

00:35:18.860 of our discussion is, as we saw in the case of, you know, Harvard and its policies on free speech

00:35:24.100 and academic freedom, it's hypocrisy. That's what's stomach churning. That's what gins up the acid for me

00:35:29.580 when they try to act like they're these highbrow moral managers of America. And then you see that

00:35:35.380 their morals only apply one way when the perceived victim is within their, you know, preexisting

00:35:41.400 group of oppressed people. Um, that brings me to Taylor Swift. So Taylor Swift, I mean,

00:35:50.480 literally just voted times person of the year. I think the most popular celebrity in America right

00:35:56.380 now, um, the number one movie, you know, you can go down the list of her accomplishments this past

00:36:01.200 year alone decides it would be a great idea to go to a fundraiser for Gaza. Taylor Swift, who has

00:36:10.700 been out there tweeting about her support for the LGBTQ community. You know what they do to that

00:36:17.060 community in Gaza, Taylor, that you now want to support. They'll throw them off the top of a building.

00:36:22.180 That's what you're contributing to. Um, who's talked about her support for women, her, her opposition

00:36:28.500 to certain Republican lawmakers who don't support women in the way Taylor sees fit. You know what

00:36:34.080 they do to women. You know what Hamas likes to do to women. You think we have equal rights over

00:36:38.040 there, Taylor. That's what you're supporting at your little fundraiser for Gaza. Um, they're taking

00:36:43.780 the money that we're designating. The international forces are designated to help the suffering people

00:36:48.400 of Gaza and Hamas is using it to create more weapons. All this has been documented, but Taylor

00:36:53.420 Swift would like to help raise funds for Gaza. Now has this benevolent woman, Andrew said one word

00:37:02.920 about the, the mass murders that happened on 10 seven of Jews. Has she said anything about rape and

00:37:10.860 sexual violence being used against the Israeli women as a tool of war, which in any world is a war crime,

00:37:17.300 which maybe Taylor would know if she spent 30 seconds Googling before she decided which cause to

00:37:23.120 support nothing. So she shows up there wants to be seen as a humanitarian. And the question is

00:37:30.400 really whether she's going to be held to account for this absurdity as she like the others tries to

00:37:36.520 paint herself as a warrior for women and LGBTQ people in Gaza. I seriously doubt she's going to be held to

00:37:46.360 account at all. She is at the pinnacle of her career at the pinnacle of anybody's career. I mean,

00:37:51.360 what she has done as a pop singer is amazing. And, and I just, you know, she went to a comedy concert

00:37:59.100 that was raising money ostensibly for humanitarian aid in Gaza, which in, in theory, anyone could

00:38:07.200 support war is a terrible thing. Innocent people are going to be killed. Children are going to be hurt

00:38:11.540 and killed and displaced. But we all know that that money, humanitarian aid never makes it to the

00:38:17.060 humanitarian causes in Gaza. It makes it goes right to the terrorists. And as you say, they use it to

00:38:21.800 build up their, their weaponry and their systems of escape, which put civilians in danger. And this

00:38:28.560 thing about the sexual violence of the Hamas attack is really important. And the fact that Taylor Swift,

00:38:35.560 who does speak up for the LGBTQ community, as it's called, and for women and all this stuff is not paying

00:38:41.240 any attention to that, nor is anyone on the left paying attention to the purposeful attacks on women,

00:38:47.480 raping them to death, mutilating them as they rape them, purposely putting forward to, to, as they put

00:38:53.480 it, to soil them and dirty them and make them into prostitutes in their, you know, twisted vision of the

00:38:59.800 world. All of that has been utterly ignored when it hasn't been decried, is not, you know, it's not

00:39:05.800 having happened denied. It hasn't been denied. So no, Taylor Swift is not going to be held into account.

00:39:11.660 She's too powerful. She's too big and she's too likable. I mean, she's a likable pop star. And I,

00:39:17.460 I guess all I can say about that is, you know, I don't turn to my pop stars for political wisdom.

00:39:23.240 I wish they would shut up and sing and do what they do well. You know, she, she made a, I believe,

00:39:30.260 a career-based decision that she had to start speaking out. She made an entire documentary about it,

00:39:35.340 about how she came to speak out against Donald Trump. I have no doubt that her political opinions

00:39:42.040 tilt left, but the idea that she suddenly had to come out and talk about these things, I think was,

00:39:47.960 in fact, throwing off the shackles of any blacklist. I don't think the success that she's had would

00:39:53.520 have been possible if she had continued to maintain silence about her political opinions, which she did

00:39:58.700 for quite a long time. So this is a good career move. I don't think she's going to pay the price for

00:40:04.520 it. Again, when the culture, when the culture insists that people have more moral insight

00:40:11.960 than Taylor Swift, then Taylor Swift will have more moral insight. She's not there to do good

00:40:17.800 in the world. She's there to be loved. That's what artists work for. They work for your love.

00:40:21.940 She's got so much of it. You know, I guess she needed a little bit more and, uh, and she's going

00:40:27.240 to get it. She's not going to be held to account at all. It's a shame.

00:40:30.640 I hope young Jewish women, I hope young Jewish women who paid exorbitant amounts to go to her,

00:40:36.060 uh, concert, who paid more money still to go see her movie, understand that Taylor thought it would

00:40:42.600 be a great idea to support, as you point out, an event at a comedy club, along with Selena Gomez

00:40:47.940 and Cara Deville. And I don't know how you pronounce her last name, the model, um,

00:40:52.440 a group that NGO monitored has described as highly political, presenting a highly biased view of the

00:41:01.760 Israel-Palestine war, ignoring any Palestinian responsibility for hardship and contributing to

00:41:07.400 the demonization of Israel. That is the group Taylor Swift thought it might be fun to help raise

00:41:12.960 money for, attend the fundraiser for, and she owes Israelis and Jewish Americans an apology.

00:41:20.140 And I hope they boycott her events until she issues it because attending this thing was wrong.

00:41:28.200 It was wrong. Do some Googling, see what they do in Gaza to gays, see about women's rights in Gaza,

00:41:35.400 Taylor. Otherwise do this. When it comes to talking about those issues again, you clearly know nothing.

00:41:42.180 All right, Andrew Klavan, stand by much, much more to discuss quick break first.

00:41:46.100 All right, Andrew. So unbelievably, um, you're not going to believe this. There is a 50 year old man

00:41:57.620 swimming with 13 year old girls and younger in Canada. Now we mentioned this story a couple of

00:42:04.660 weeks ago when we first got wind courtesy of rebel news that he was swimming with them and it, and

00:42:12.240 they, they, they tried to deny it at the facility first, but it was caught on tape, like not the

00:42:16.480 actual swimming, but, um, Oh, an eyewitness. And then they were forced to admit it. Well, he's at it

00:42:21.900 again. He is out there again, swimming against girls. His name is Nicholas Cepeda, C E P E D A.

00:42:30.560 He now wants us to call him melody wise heart. No Nicholas. I refuse because there's something

00:42:36.900 seriously wrong with you. You're not trans. You're a sicko. That's my opinion. And I'm entitled to it.

00:42:42.260 He's 50. He's swimming in the pool with get this eight to 16 year old girls as young as eight and rebel

00:42:54.360 news documented that he actually was changing in and out of a swimsuit in the women's locker room.

00:43:05.100 I should say girls locker room. He's in there changing. It's unbelievable. It's sick. This guy

00:43:12.140 should be arrested. Unbelievably, the parents are not having a full meltdown. Some of the ones who

00:43:20.620 talked to rebel news said the girls were terrified. We tried to put up makeshift towel tenting things so

00:43:28.320 that he couldn't see them and they couldn't see him. We're trying to be accepting of people, but

00:43:34.060 swimming against our kids and being in the locker room is not appropriate. But swim Ontario stands

00:43:40.860 by this guy, the 50 year old man identifying as a 13 year old girl. That's what he says,

00:43:47.420 saying we believe swimming is for everyone and that people, so quote, swimming Canada and swim Ontario

00:43:54.040 and that people of all shapes, sizes, genders, beliefs and backgrounds should have the opportunity

00:43:58.560 to swim to the best of their ability. The rebel news caught up with one of the girls. She personally

00:44:05.200 says she wasn't offended, but she spoke to some of what went on. Look at this.

00:44:10.240 So we'll just go downstairs and see if anyone there wants to weigh in on

00:44:17.040 this absolute scandal. Oh, I watched your YouTube video. Oh, did you? How'd you like it?

00:44:23.840 It was insane. Yeah? Do young ladies have any trouble with mature males swimming with the girls?

00:44:30.720 Melody? Yeah. No. No? Really? Okay. She goes in her chamber room. I see her in the mornings.

00:44:37.840 Oh, okay. And she doesn't go in your chamber room? She does. Oh, okay. But she is a he, isn't he? I mean,

00:44:45.600 he's still got this male, you know what, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Have a nice weekend.

00:44:57.360 It's, it's incredible, by the way, just not for nothing, but since you're a wordsmith,

00:45:01.360 this happened in Barrie, Ontario at the December 1st Trojan Cup race. I mean, the perfectly named

00:45:09.440 Trojan Cup can the girl saying this is an intact male. He hasn't had surgery. She see it. That's

00:45:17.280 his quote teammate. So this group is allowing him to be on the team swimming and changing with the

00:45:23.680 girls. They've lost their ever loving minds. Well, you know, actually that's, that's actually true,

00:45:29.960 Megan. I mean, first of all, I would like you to refer to me as Andrew Weishart from now on. I did

00:45:33.960 like that name, but, but I, I have to say you're actually right though. This is induced mental

00:45:39.720 illness and it's incredibly widespread. And I think that it's in, you know, the, the fact that we have

00:45:46.200 this guy, Richard Levine, who calls himself Rachel and who, uh, insists that children should be

00:45:51.160 transitioned, uh, if they want to, the fact that he's in our government, instead of an Arkham

00:45:56.200 asylum from the Batman movies, you know, I think is, is indicative of just how far this mental illness

00:46:02.440 has progressed. This is not the first time in human history when madness has overcome the crowd,

00:46:08.040 but it is, it is one of those times. And I think it's time for us to start looking at this

00:46:12.600 in some kind of insightful way and start talking about what is the incredible hatred against women

00:46:19.400 that would cause us to cancel their very existence. What is the, uh, incredible hatred

00:46:25.480 against gender itself that would cause us to want to cancel it for, for most of us, I would say for

00:46:31.240 99% of us, the fact that we are two genders is the central pleasure of life, right? It is the reason

00:46:37.680 that life is beautiful. It's the thing we all think about. It's the thing that young people look

00:46:42.060 forward to. It's the thing that old people look back on and reflect on with warmth and nostalgia.

00:46:46.580 It's, it's what we're all, it's the kind of love we're all looking for. The fact that there are

00:46:51.040 people who can't participate in that may be sad and may be difficult and they cause us to want to

00:46:55.820 have compassion and, you know, and some find some way to mitigate their pain, but to erase the central

00:47:02.640 fact of the human condition that we are gendered and in our genders, we recreate the human race.

00:47:08.260 That's a true act of mental illness. That's a true act of madness. And so I think, you know,

00:47:12.440 it's interesting. I don't know if you saw that, the Barbie movie, this is this hugely successful

00:47:17.780 movie in which there's a throwaway line in which one of the girls says, men hate women and women

00:47:23.380 hate women. You know, what else is new? And, and that's not the first time I've heard that. I mean,

00:47:27.980 Martin Amos wrote that in a book where he said, if, if, if men don't like women, well, who does?

00:47:33.100 And I think that that's actually speaking to some kind of truth about the modern human world,

00:47:38.280 that women have become anathema to, to everybody that women don't like themselves. They don't like

00:47:44.540 the way they are. They think that they have to be men in order to be important or strong. They

00:47:48.780 think they have to live a male life. And, and this is increased to the point of mental illness. Since

00:47:53.520 again, this is where our pleasure comes from. This is where our love is directed. This is where

00:47:58.060 creation takes place. Why is it being canceled? Why is it the enemy? Why are people who believe in

00:48:03.680 gender and who believe in the beauty of gender and who believe in the pleasure of gender? Why are they the

00:48:07.680 enemy? That this is a genuine mental illness and a widespread one. And again, an induced mental

00:48:13.460 illness is put upon us by our betters are the people in the elite. Why? I think we should really

00:48:18.820 be thinking about this in a serious philosophical and psychological way because it's spreading and it's

00:48:24.800 obviously absurd and it's causing even atrocities, even worse than this obviously sick man swimming with

00:48:32.780 these children. Yes. And this is not your first offense, Canada. Need I refer you back to Kayla

00:48:38.880 Lemieux, the obviously deranged shop teacher who decided to do two watermelon fake breasts and a

00:48:46.000 miniskirt. It was a dude who lied about having some conditioned gynomastia that grew fake breasts.

00:48:53.320 I'm not done with the 50 year old swimmer. Wait until you see Rebel News catching up with him.

00:48:57.840 That's right after this break. Don't go away. Andrew. So, um, Rebel News caught up with this

00:49:07.780 man, Nicholas Cepeda, who wants us to call him Melody Wisehart, uh, age 50, swimming with girls age

00:49:15.620 eight to 16 last month in October at the Markham, Ontario race. He competed against a bunch of 13 year

00:49:23.820 olds. Um, and now in the locker room, as you heard there from one of his teammates, a young girl,

00:49:30.880 uh, changing right in front of them without any, not that it would matter, but without any sex change

00:49:36.540 surgery. Um, so he, he was spotted by Rebel News doing a great job up there in Canada. Love,

00:49:45.020 love, love Rebel News. And here's what happened.

00:49:46.580 In the meantime, we're going to watch him swim. Just will you see the perverse visuals of a 50 year

00:49:56.060 old man lining up against 13 and 17 year old girls?

00:50:01.840 We finally have a definitive answer to where Nicholas Cepeda changes and showers. It is in the girls'

00:50:27.720 dressing room. I saw it myself with my own eyes. He didn't go into the male dressing room. He didn't

00:50:33.660 go into the family dressing room. Mr. Cepeda, what is your deal? Why are you swimming with 13 year

00:50:43.060 olds? Why are you breaking world aquatic rules? Why are you a coward? Do you have a, do you have a

00:50:50.440 record of sexual perversion? Protect me from these people? Protect us from what? Where are you going?

00:51:05.480 Yeah, he's the one who needs protection, Andrew. And the offense committed inside that pool that day

00:51:14.340 was of the Rebel News reporter trying to document this man with the teenagers, not the actual fact

00:51:22.880 that he was there in the first place. Yeah. You know, the fact that this is happening in real life

00:51:28.340 makes it a little hard to take in, but you have to stop, pull back for a minute and think of the

00:51:33.180 cultural failure that we're witnessing when this happens. And it happens here too. I mean,

00:51:38.720 it's not just in Canada. Where are the parents?

00:51:41.280 I've never seen anything like this. I've never seen a 50 year old man with preteens. This is

00:51:45.800 okay. But you've seen that guy with the tremendous muscles, Leo, what's his name? You know,

00:51:52.800 Leo Thomas. Yeah. You know, and competing against women. Where are the parents of these children

00:51:57.980 to say, we're all boycotting this. Every single one of us, we are shutting down your athletic department

00:52:03.560 until you get this guy out of our child. Listen, I have a daughter. If anything like this had

00:52:09.160 happened, and I'm a guy who likes to keep to himself, if anything like this had happened,

00:52:14.100 I'd have been in flames. I would have shown up literally on fire just saying, this is not going

00:52:19.160 to happen. It's not going to happen. Where are the fathers? Where are they? And where are the mothers

00:52:23.860 for that matter? The completeness of the societal breakdown is so stunning that I don't think we've

00:52:30.060 taken it in. You know, we go after this guy, and of course, he's obviously a sick man who's doing

00:52:34.820 something terrible. But it goes so far beyond that. Where is this hatred for women coming from?

00:52:40.200 Where is this attempt to actually eliminate women from the human experience coming from?

00:52:46.020 I think it's worth looking at, because I do think it goes back to the mistakes of feminism. I mean,

00:52:52.100 you know, when I am an anti-feminist, when I attack feminism, people think I don't want women

00:52:56.900 to have any rights. That's not the truth at all. What I think is that there was an actual problem,

00:53:01.960 and feminism was the wrong solution. I think that this idea that we have belittled the feminine

00:53:07.500 sphere, the home sphere, the mothering sphere, all of these things have been relegated to some kind

00:53:13.640 of second-class status, so that if you go out and you have a job, or if you're pushing paper for your

00:53:19.640 boss, you're somehow more free, more liberated than if you're home cooking meals for your family.

00:53:25.460 It's just a really strange twisting of human values. It's never been seen before on Earth. It's never

00:53:33.480 been actually perpetrated at this level. And yet we can't take it in. We can't take in the fact that

00:53:39.400 it's done terrible things. I now routinely see online women saying, women around the age of 38,

00:53:46.300 40, saying, feminism has ruined my life. And I keep thinking, well, yes, it has. And when are more

00:53:51.980 people going to start to talk about this? Why can't we even make a movie in which women are women

00:53:56.900 instead of women who punch people and they fall over as if they were punched by Mike Tyson? I don't

00:54:02.220 understand. Well, I do have thoughts about it. I do have ideas about why this is happening. But I don't

00:54:08.060 understand why people are not talking about this on a bigger level. Instead of just saying, okay,

00:54:13.160 here's an example of this outrage. The entire thing is outrageous. The entire idea that women should be

00:54:19.360 insulted in this way. It is blackface, essentially. And in some ways, blackface wasn't as bad. I mean,

00:54:26.940 this is eliminating people. It's definitely not as bad. This is worse because you've got the

00:54:30.800 exploitation of minors and of women on a mass scale. There is an unhealthy proportion of these so-called

00:54:41.440 trans, quote, women who are autogynephiles, men who get off sexually by dressing as and pretending they

00:54:50.920 are women. I don't know whether that's the case with this guy who we're watching in Canada,

00:54:57.240 Nicholas, but the odds are good. What mother of a prepubescent girl or immediately in the midst of

00:55:06.640 puberty girl would allow that guy within 10 feet of her while she's changing in a locker room.

00:55:15.480 Shame on those parents. Shame on you all. You protect your daughters or they will be exploited.

00:55:21.240 It is up to you. And it's up to Canada swim. And it's up to the swimming body. Rebel News is right.

00:55:26.660 There is a there's an organization called World Aquatics, which says male swimmers who transitioned

00:55:33.280 after puberty cannot swim with females. All of this ignores the absurdity of the fact that the man is

00:55:38.220 50. But there are so many people to blame for what happened to those girls in that pool.

00:55:43.220 And think about the connection, too, with what we were talking about before, the atrocities in Israel,

00:55:48.020 the things I can't I can't even talk. I don't even want to talk about the things that were done

00:55:52.140 to women during the October 7th attacks in Israel. But they're so awful, so intentional.

00:55:57.440 Where where is the outrage? Where are the people saying, you know, I'm sorry, but whatever you

00:56:03.140 believe in, wherever you are, whatever your status is, you are now eliminated as people.

00:56:07.200 This this hostility against women, I would go beyond hostility. This hatred of women is widespread.

00:56:14.080 It is infiltrating an entire segment of our society. And the fact that people are afraid to talk back

00:56:20.200 against it, the fact that they're afraid that women are afraid to say, you know, I'm sorry,

00:56:25.120 you cannot pretend to be me and say that I don't exist, that my entire experience from birth

00:56:29.980 is somehow non-existent. And you can just take it over by putting on a string of pearls.

00:56:34.940 I cannot understand why I think we're so shocked, maybe by the size of the insanity,

00:56:41.860 by the vastness of the lie that we're having a hard time reacting at the level that we should be

00:56:47.540 reacting. The outrage should be complete. It should be entire. And the fact, as you say,

00:56:52.040 the fact that fathers are letting their daughters go undefended in this situation is an atrocity in

00:56:59.280 and of itself. That's so true. Who can you depend on to protect you against a sick person like this?

00:57:06.380 If not your mom and dad, what mom and dad sits there and watches this? I mean, I would throw myself

00:57:14.360 into the pool. I would literally throw myself into the pool lane in front of that guy and say,

00:57:19.200 you get out of here. There's no way I would allow my daughter or sons or anybody to swim in a meet

00:57:24.440 with somebody like this. I, these parents have fallen down and it's not the first time as I

00:57:28.760 mentioned, it's no accident to me that this shop teacher was, you know, with the fake breasts and

00:57:36.260 allowed to teach shop in a little mini skirt, a man, a man who made up lies to the New York post

00:57:42.400 about how he grew them. He grew them. Andrew, he's got some condition called gynomastia that leads to

00:57:49.260 elephant size breasts with orange size nipples off the end of it. And then I've got to run it

00:57:56.300 because I love rebel. And just while we're on a rebel news, uh, celebratory kick, they caught up with

00:58:01.320 him without his breasts on that were totally real. And he grew and watch it. It's 11 seconds.

00:58:08.780 I thought your breasts were real. Where are your breasts? Why are you dressing inappropriately in

00:58:19.840 front of children? Can we, can we, we got to create like conservative Emmys, you know, and like

00:58:26.360 conservative, but the Cronkite awards, this, this is, they're tolerating this nonsense time after time

00:58:34.600 up there and here and here. I don't mean to excuse us. I'm just saying like the most egregious

00:58:39.460 blatant examples are coming from up North. Yeah. You know, what you just said though,

00:58:44.480 is actually really important. We have no infrastructure for awarding journalism. We

00:58:49.540 have no infrastructure for awarding art. We have no infrastructure for awarding our point of view.

00:58:53.860 So when you come out with this insanity, oh, a man can become a woman to Dylan Mulvaney is day one of

00:58:59.420 being a girl. And, you know, so let's celebrate his girl. When you come out with that insanity,

00:59:03.540 there's no, there's no cultural blowback. You know, there's no one to say, you know,

00:59:08.520 of course they should win an Emmy for that kind of material. You know, they should win a comedy

00:59:12.440 award, but that sort of material, they're protecting children. They're protecting children. That's much

00:59:16.980 like, look, that leads me to you guys at the daily wire. So many of us trying to fight back,

00:59:22.420 but I love, I mean, daily wire with lady ballers is one big middle finger at everything we've just

00:59:30.240 discussed, right? It takes this issue. It shows it for the mockery that it is of women and women's

00:59:38.360 sports. And on cue, the left-wing establishment is horrified. Andrew's in lady ballers, which is,

00:59:47.220 you can see it if you subscribe to daily wire plus it's just a one. Do we have it? Do we have

00:59:51.960 Andrew's one liner? I would love to see it. That's the biggest I've ever seen on a lady.

01:00:15.700 You won't be surprised to learn that out magazine is very unhappy with lady ballers,

01:00:22.120 uh, in which the daily wire portrays a bunch of guys who decide they want to be winning basketball

01:00:27.180 players. And they decided to dress up as pretend they are women and become champions. Um, out

01:00:33.160 magazine says the trailer for this is the worst thing we've ever seen. It is a well-known fact

01:00:39.940 that right-wingers cannot make good art and don't have a sense of humor. And the daily wire is reminding

01:00:47.900 us all of that with the new preview for its first feature length comedy film, lady ballers. It goes on

01:00:55.460 to say, it almost seems like the people who made the movie understand that if their premise was real,

01:01:01.740 there would be real life examples of groups of men like this taking over women's sports. There aren't.

01:01:08.960 Even Leah Thomas, the university of Pennsylvania swimmer and possibly the most famous trans woman

01:01:14.700 athlete in the world at the moment was only ranked as the 32nd best female swimmer in D1 college

01:01:22.300 swimming during her senior year. Now, just a little fact check before I turn it back over to you.

01:01:30.700 Leah Thomas, um, in February of 2022 came in first in the 200 yard, the 500 yard, the 100 yard freestyle

01:01:37.540 events at the Ivy league women's swimming and diving championships at Harvard. Leah Thomas in March

01:01:42.420 of 2022 won the NCAA 500 meter freestyle title. Leah Thomas overall, by the conclusion of his swimming

01:01:51.860 career at UPenn, uh, his rank had moved from 65th on the men's team to first on the women's that in the

01:02:02.040 500 and 554th on the men's team to fifth on the women's in the 200 yard freestyle. In addition to

01:02:11.360 the other records that Leah set. So out magazine better remind itself that there are actual women

01:02:19.440 who read it and aren't obsessed with Leah Thomas and it's lies actually have done some fact checking.

01:02:26.620 I think is out magazine for both gays and lesbians. Does it have to be for the Leah Thomas's Leah

01:02:32.380 Thomas doesn't fit in. In any event, Andrew, um, here we go again. You know, you know, many, many,

01:02:39.820 many years ago, I did a satire video about this so-called two state solution in Israel saying we

01:02:45.680 ought to have a one state solution where the entire Middle East is turned over to the Jews because the

01:02:50.280 Jews run things so much better than everybody else. And I thought that's such an obvious joke.

01:02:55.060 Someone has obviously made it must've made it before. Uh, so I'm not gonna, I don't want to

01:02:59.680 steal anybody's, you know, humor. So I went looking for it. I thought Saturday night live has got to

01:03:05.560 have done a one state solution. It's such an obvious joke. It didn't exist anywhere. And I

01:03:10.160 suddenly realized all this stuff is just lying there on the ground, waiting for the right to pick

01:03:14.760 it up. This lady ballers thing. It it's not like an act of genius to make fun of this. It's already

01:03:20.960 funny. All you have to do is put it on screen. And that's really all the daily wire did was they

01:03:26.200 just put it on screen and wrote a funny story about it, made some funny jokes about it. And

01:03:30.060 it's funny. And so the fact that the left is so exercised about it, they're just exercised about

01:03:35.480 the, about it, that they weren't able to stop it because that's what they've been so able to do.

01:03:40.380 It's all a joke. I mean, it is all hilarious because it's so absurd. And the fact that nobody,

01:03:47.820 you know, that, you know, I don't know if you remember when Obama was president and Saturday

01:03:51.900 night, Saturday night live writer said, he's like a wall of obsidian. He's so smooth. There's nowhere

01:03:57.620 to find any humor. I mean, this is a guy who ate dogs, who smoked dope, who was, I said, we're going

01:04:03.060 to transform America. They couldn't find a single joke to make about Barack Obama. This is the mindset

01:04:09.180 that we're dealing with on the left. And the fact that we can just pick this stuff up off the ground

01:04:14.180 is every good reason for the right to start making culture en masse. We should just start

01:04:19.740 turning out movies like this because it's just so easy. To keep doing it. I'll just add a couple

01:04:25.140 more stats to our list. You have got, oh gosh, this, it's a long list of, of men who have competed in

01:04:31.620 women's sports, but the latest happened at, stand by and I'll find it. In Illinois, Illinois State

01:04:41.880 cyclocross championships on December 3rd, uh, actual woman, Christian Chalmers finished third

01:04:48.820 after trans athletes. These are men, Tessa Johnson and Evelyn Williamson, Tessa and Evelyn competed as

01:04:58.140 a team in two of the races claiming first place in both. They chose T Estro dolls as their team name

01:05:07.480 referencing the women's sex hormone. Aren't you so cute making fun of us and making fun of our hormones

01:05:13.620 too. A lot of us have to deal with estrogen for real, unlike you men posing as women. Um, and, and the

01:05:20.160 many issues it creates in a woman's body. God bless us. I'm just saying, um, they, one of them competed in

01:05:26.980 both the men's and the women's categories at a race back in March of 2020, both the men's and the women's.

01:05:33.620 Guess what happened, Andrew? I'll give you one guess. What happened when that man posing as a

01:05:40.720 woman competed with the women? What place do you think he came in? I'm guessing number one,

01:05:45.560 but I'm also guessing he didn't do as well when he competed against men. You got it. He came in

01:05:49.740 first against the women against 40 cyclists. He didn't even place, did not even place, but out

01:05:57.280 magazine says it's not happening. So I guess we need to, we need to believe them. The woman who came

01:06:02.980 in third, who we just showed up on those podiums, who, who was third, she defended the two transgender

01:06:09.860 cyclists. She's like, it's like a form of brainwashing. It's brainwashing. She came out to

01:06:15.780 say, we refuse to be falsely presented as victims in a manufactured controversy driven to further

01:06:22.440 alienate and marginalize those most vulnerable within our community in service of rampant and

01:06:28.420 harmful anti-LGBTQ plus legislation. Inclusion makes our sport and communities stronger.

01:06:34.660 Everyone is welcome here. Trans women are women. And to her credit, Riley Gaines spoke out about this

01:06:41.360 and said, you are a traitor to ethical and fair sport and a traitor to women. Hear, hear, team Riley.

01:06:51.240 Yeah. Riley Gaines. I mean, she's like the last, it's like, it's like invasion of the body snatchers.

01:06:55.660 I keep waiting for Riley Gaines to turn up and haven't been taken over by mock Riley Gaines because

01:07:01.260 it is, it is like this widespread disease. And again, I think, I think the power, the power of

01:07:08.520 culture, the power of media has never been more well demonstrated, better demonstrated than in this

01:07:15.240 moment. The power of people to put forward a complete falsehood, something that has no scientific

01:07:21.500 backing has no, you know, there's no evidence of it because there can't be any evidence of it.

01:07:26.660 It's not true. And convince people that they should sacrifice their athletic careers in order not to be

01:07:33.000 harmful to this make believe condition that people have. It is as really as if people with anorexia

01:07:39.700 were being told, yes, you know, you really are too fat. Sure. You only weigh 70 pounds and you'll be dead

01:07:44.840 if you don't start to eat. But you really, you know, you look fat to me too. I don't want to be

01:07:48.620 hateful and say that you're not fat. It really is like this mass delusion. And it just shows you

01:07:54.200 the incredible power that the left is amassed in the media, in the academy, in the news media and

01:08:01.280 the entertainment media. And the power of that, you know, the power of that to change people's minds

01:08:07.240 and make people think that the emperor is wearing clothes when he's walking around stark naked.

01:08:11.980 It's an amazing power and we've neglected it way, way too long. And I'm glad to see the Daily Wire

01:08:17.480 and hopefully other places start to strike back against that because it's a monopoly that has to

01:08:22.000 be broken. Here's a little shoot of grass for you as we close out that piece of the discussion.

01:08:27.180 Dylan Mulvaney recently named one of Forbes annual 30 under 30 for his mockery of women.

01:08:37.700 He was he spoke at Penn State's Robeson Center's Alumni Hall, happened to be the same location

01:08:45.640 where Riley Gaines was scheduled to speak in October prior to the school canceling Riley Gaines

01:08:52.360 appearance. But Dylan Mulvaney, a man pretending to be a woman, is more than welcome. Apparently,

01:08:59.120 according to Young America's Foundation, which went and took a photo of the hall. I haven't seen whether

01:09:05.820 this this is what they're reporting. I don't know this firsthand. No one showed up. Look at all the

01:09:11.060 people, Andrew, in this photo who showed up to hear Dylan Mulvaney. Literally nobody is there.

01:09:16.100 Perhaps they showed up later. But Dylan Mulvaney normally charges $40,000 to show up anywhere and

01:09:24.200 speak. And this university, Penn State, found a place for him, but not for Gaines. I have no hope for

01:09:32.340 the colleges and what they did to Riley. But I do have hope seeing an empty lecture hall that normal

01:09:37.520 people are taking a hard pass on the Dylan Mulvaney's of the world.

01:09:42.780 Well, it identified as a full lecture hall. So that's the important thing. I think they

01:09:46.760 nobody nobody showed up, but they identified as somebody. I think that that's that's the

01:09:51.560 important thing. It is it is a it is a remarkable thing. I mean, it's a wonderful, wonderful thing

01:09:56.960 that people are starting to wake up to it. It's just it is very hopeful. And look, reality has a voice.

01:10:02.380 Reality does strike back after a while. You can't vote reality out of the room. It's going to come

01:10:07.060 back again and again and again. And I just think it's a it is an amazing thing that they let

01:10:12.560 Dylan Mulvaney speak and not Riley. Riley, who's an actual woman, basically saying to her, no,

01:10:18.400 you're not allowed to be a woman, but you can be a man pretending to be a woman is is the ultimate

01:10:22.620 to me. That's the end of feminism. That is feminism where it was heading all along, that the

01:10:26.960 best women are men and the only women that we recognize are manly women. It's it's it's so

01:10:32.560 offensive and so anti human and so anti life that it's it's got to collapse eventually because human

01:10:38.900 life will continue. I hope you're right. OK, now I want to switch gears to Anthony Fauci because he

01:10:45.720 said something unbelievable that I thought you'd be perfect to respond to. He gave an interview and

01:10:51.560 during the interview with the BBC, he made a comment about he was asked whether

01:10:57.580 he still goes to church. There was something about the chapel in which he and his wife were married

01:11:03.860 and he was asked if he still goes to this church for mass. And here's what he said.

01:11:11.280 You don't practice anymore, do you? Why?

01:11:15.880 A number of complicated reasons. Go on. We have a whole corridor.

01:11:20.280 First of all, I think my own personal ethics of life are, I think, enough to keep me going on the

01:11:33.280 right path. And I think that there are enough negative aspects about the organizational church

01:11:38.880 that you're very well aware of. I'm not against it. I identify myself as a Catholic. I was raised,

01:11:46.900 I was baptized, I was confirmed, I was married in the church. My children were baptized in the church.

01:11:52.360 But as far as practicing it, it seems almost like a pro forma thing that I don't really need to do.

01:12:01.000 He doesn't need to worship.

01:12:02.880 No.

01:12:03.180 Because his own personal ethics.

01:12:04.400 He can rely on his own ethics. I mean, he did such a great job during the pandemic

01:12:07.600 that I think I can understand what it looks like to rely on your own ethics once you've walked away

01:12:12.200 from God. You know, I always feel a little bad about banging this drum because I know it's off-putting

01:12:17.080 to people to be preached to, and I don't mean to preach to them. But just pretend for a moment,

01:12:21.820 just imagine for a moment that God is a real thing, that God exists. Life is different in that case,

01:12:27.840 just like it's different if gravity exists than if it doesn't. The results of walking off your roof

01:12:33.400 are going to be different if gravity exists than if it doesn't exist. The results of living without

01:12:38.020 God are going to be different if God exists than if he doesn't exist. And I think the evidence,

01:12:43.880 both scientific and simply emotional and cultural, are that God is a real thing. He actually operates

01:12:50.220 in the world. He operates in the hearts and minds of men. Of course, you can be a good person without

01:12:55.140 believing in God. You just can't make any sense while you're doing it. Because as every great thinker

01:12:59.660 has ever said, without God, anything is allowable. Anything goes. There is no moral judge.

01:13:05.920 You know, we live in a world, you know, C.S. Lewis said this. He said,

01:13:10.240 God made human beings to run on him, to run on God, to find their happiness in God,

01:13:16.000 to find their motivations in God, to find themselves in the image of God. And the people

01:13:20.900 who don't do that ultimately wind up lost, and the cultures that don't do it collapse.

01:13:25.340 And they collapse for the very reason that they've gotten rid of an aspect of reality.

01:13:29.660 So I think it's worth having an open cultural discussion in which we talk about

01:13:35.560 the evidence for the fact that there's God. At least we should be able to do that.

01:13:40.420 And this is another thing that the left has been able to shut down, is conversation and debate.

01:13:45.660 You know, we no longer have conversation and debate. We have shouting matches and insult

01:13:50.120 dealing and cancellation. But really, a thoughtful conversation about what it's like to live without

01:13:57.660 God and what it's like to live with God is something that we should be talking about. Because

01:14:01.380 I think the evidence is becoming more and more clear. God is a real thing. He really does

01:14:06.500 operate in the world. He's not just an invisible, you know, granddaddy up there in the sky. He's

01:14:11.220 actually something that has an effect. When you have faith in him, you act differently. Your life goes

01:14:16.180 differently. The things that you think about are different and more realistic. I converted very late

01:14:21.540 in life. I was baptized as a 49-year-old man. And all I can tell you is my great fear in doing that

01:14:27.620 was that I was going to lose my sense of reality, that I was going to become, you know, a happy talk,

01:14:33.920 a big smiley face and start to talk about life as if there were no cruelty or evil in it.

01:14:39.160 The exact opposite happened. I became a much more realistic person, much more able to predict what

01:14:43.820 people were going to do in given situations, much more able to predict what was going to happen to my

01:14:48.400 culture and my society in given situations. And that led me to believe that I had come to believe

01:14:53.480 in something that was real, even though it wasn't visible to the naked eye. I think this is a

01:14:57.880 conversation we have to have because guys like Fauci, there's no, he's paid no penalty for the fact

01:15:03.360 that he screwed up this country so badly that it may, it's going to be decades before it recovers

01:15:08.560 from his personal ethics. Maybe, you know, the question should be raised. Well, if your personal

01:15:13.940 ethics nearly destroyed the United States of America, maybe your personal ethics aren't

01:15:18.280 enough and maybe you should reconsider the church you left behind. Amen. Andrew Klavan,

01:15:25.700 I love when you're on. Thank you so much for coming on the show regularly. It means a lot to us all.

01:15:31.360 Great to hear. It's always such a pleasure, Megan. Thank you so much.

01:15:34.840 Oh, it's just truly one of my favorite people. Okay. We're going to be right back. And I'm very

01:15:39.460 excited to talk to Carl Higbee. I've known him for a long time since we were at Fox together. He's now

01:15:43.300 over at Newsmax. And the reason he's coming on today is because this is a guy who found a way

01:15:50.420 of taking a very, very blue town, Greenwich, Connecticut, and turning it red. He's going

01:15:57.680 to offer you the blueprint. Maybe we should call it the red print for your town next.

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01:17:06.200 Last month, a year after Republicans failed to deliver the red wave they promised in those 2022

01:17:12.600 midterm elections, the GOP continued its recent election struggles across the country. Democrats

01:17:19.680 regained, retained the governorship in deep red Kentucky and won the state house in Senate,

01:17:26.800 a state house and the Senate in Glenn Youngkins, Virginia. But there is one place in America where

01:17:31.320 Republicans swept all their races and they did it in a deep blue area. Our next guest, Carl Higbee,

01:17:40.220 helped make that happen and has some thoughts on how the GOP can make it happen elsewhere.

01:17:45.120 Come November, 2024. He is the host of Carl Higbee frontline on Newsmax. And he joins me now.

01:17:52.280 Carl, great to see you again. How are you doing?

01:17:54.040 Hey, Megan. Good to be back on with you.

01:17:56.360 Awesome. All right. So just by way of background, so the audience knows a little bit about you,

01:18:00.680 you served our country honorably. You were a Navy SEAL. You fought in Iraq. You were deployed

01:18:06.160 a couple of times and then came back home, got sort of became a bit of a talking head on Fox,

01:18:13.140 forgive the description, and got more and more involved in politics. And so you have every right

01:18:19.240 to do that. Once you've served the country, we need to hear from you more than ever.

01:18:23.120 And I'm sure became frustrated at how hard it is for Republicans to win elections. So just talk

01:18:30.760 about that a little bit. Well, look, Republicans have an innate ability to snatch defeat from the

01:18:36.180 jaws of victory every time. I don't know how we do it. Look, our policies are hands down better than

01:18:41.000 every Democratic policy out there. We win on every single major issue, but we do everything else so

01:18:46.540 poorly. I mean, look, the Democrats control the media. They control pop culture. They control

01:18:50.780 the majority of these influencing regimes out there that sell rainbows and unicorns to people

01:18:57.400 with purple hair and somehow win elections on that. So we do everything right on the policy side and

01:19:02.600 then everything wrong. So all we have to do on the messaging side is just a little bit right,

01:19:07.500 because right now our elections are still a 50-50 proposition somehow. So if we can just do a little

01:19:12.780 bit right, how little that is, 5 percent, 10 percent, we will sweep elections and it'll be time to just

01:19:19.020 have a margarita between now and November because it'll be a foregone conclusion.

01:19:23.300 Mm-hmm. All right. So you decided to take this on in Greenwich, Connecticut. So first, what was the

01:19:29.100 problem in Greenwich, Connecticut as you saw it?

01:19:31.300 Well, so Connecticut is obviously deep blue. Now, in Greenwich, Republicans have historically

01:19:37.400 held a lot of the seats. You've generally always been a Republican, what we call a mayor or first

01:19:43.200 selectman, and a lot of the seats. But what happened was, is when the onset of Trump came on,

01:19:50.980 a lot of people in Greenwich, I mean, Biden swept Greenwich, Connecticut in the last election. Hillary

01:19:55.900 Clinton swept Greenwich, Connecticut in 2016. And as Trump came on, there were a lot of Republicans

01:20:02.680 that fell into the Mitt Romney, Asa Hutchinson sort of, you know, I might like his policies,

01:20:07.860 but I hate the man. And this was a big problem because even our, we actually threw, we had this

01:20:14.580 town chair, I'm not going to say his name, but he was adamantly anti-Trump. And I get it. Okay,

01:20:20.860 not everybody's anti-Trump, but he wouldn't even hold a campaign rally for Trump for fundraising for

01:20:26.740 local candidates. He wouldn't even put signs in the local headquarters for us to come get,

01:20:31.040 not on the windows, just there so we could come pick them up and distribute them for people who

01:20:34.680 wanted them. And we threw him out last year and a half ago. We threw him out of office and we took

01:20:41.080 over the, what they call the Republican Town Committee, the Republican Town Party. And we installed

01:20:45.920 a bunch of people that weren't necessarily MAGA, but they were very pro-Trump policy. And we didn't

01:20:52.380 back away from him. Now, in the subsequent November election, which was a year ago, we actually lost

01:20:58.660 Republican seats because it was the midterm election. So we had some state rep seats and

01:21:02.560 things like that. And what had happened was, is when we ran the caucuses a year and a half ago to

01:21:08.480 throw out the party leadership, they lost by a combined about 150 to 160 votes town-wide for all

01:21:18.040 the seats. Wait, now I'm confused. I'm confused now because you were saying that you got the

01:21:24.460 Republican guy out who hated Trump, but then in the following election last November, you lost.

01:21:30.200 So now what are you saying happened in these caucuses?

01:21:32.240 So what's crazy is the people who we threw out, all the anti-Trump Republicans that were

01:21:37.960 not really Republican, they were more Mitt Romney kind of, they went out and voted Democrat a year

01:21:43.880 ago in those elections. And we lost a couple seats because of that. And we're talking 80 vote margins on

01:21:49.920 state Senate, state rep races. So the following year, which was last month, we went to bat. We went to

01:21:56.940 war with these people. We exposed them. Every single ad we put up went on, did not go unanswered

01:22:03.060 for anything that they said bad about a Republican, anything a Democrat said bad about a Republican,

01:22:07.860 we made sure we answered it. And we exposed them for a lot of that. And what happened was

01:22:11.360 a lot of them came back to the side of the Republican party rather than the anti-whatever

01:22:16.300 the new people want. And through that, we were able to get on board with the messaging that Democrats

01:22:22.700 have traditionally used. Now, Democrats historically have always beaten us down on social issues. So

01:22:28.880 we took a page from that book. We fought back on every social issue. And we said, hey, look,

01:22:33.380 if you're in Connecticut and your primary concern is abortion rights, we have a Democratic House,

01:22:38.140 a Democratic State Senate, a Democratic governor, you're never going to lose your abortion rights

01:22:41.940 in Connecticut. Maybe you should be more concerned about $4 a gallon gas. And it resonated.

01:22:46.420 We also beat Democrats in Greenwich on early voting. That's never happened in my lifetime,

01:22:51.540 Megan. That's so critical. And that's been a big debate within the Republican party. As you know,

01:22:57.220 Trump was criticized in 2020 for saying, don't do it. Don't trust it. Vote only on election day,

01:23:02.840 which has traditionally been when Republicans are more likely to go to the polls anyway. So

01:23:06.900 he's feeding into a preexisting bias by GOPers to do it that way. And it turned out to be a big

01:23:13.140 mistake. It turned out to be a big mistake because the Democrats banked so many votes prior to.

01:23:17.940 And a lot of people, whatever, on election day, you get busy, the lines too long, it rains. There

01:23:23.720 are all sorts of things that can thwart your preexisting plan to vote. So how, but like saying

01:23:29.860 we want to get out the early vote is one thing, actually doing it and getting Republicans to get

01:23:34.140 over that bias is another. Yeah. A hundred percent. And that's the thing is traditionally in the

01:23:39.700 Republican party, and this is the problem is like the Democrats are so organized. They are

01:23:43.480 decades ahead of us on strategy, on infrastructure, and on the number of people that they have

01:23:49.380 recruited to these ground voting things. And what we did in historically in the Republican party,

01:23:55.840 a lot of people want to talk about it. They want to pontificate about it, especially in Greenwich.

01:24:00.200 But a lot of them think that they're too good to walk around and go door to door and houses and

01:24:04.480 make phone calls. Look, I made 450 phone calls on election day. I'm not telling people what to do.

01:24:09.900 I did it myself. I knocked on over 200 doors in my community myself to try to get people out to

01:24:16.240 vote. So this is what it takes. Doors of Republicans, registered Republicans.

01:24:20.880 So Republicans and independents. So in Connecticut, we're about 25% registered Republicans or in

01:24:26.680 Greenwich and about 35% registered Democrats and the rest are independent. We've huge swaths of

01:24:31.660 independence there. But yet when we came down to election day, we won every single thing,

01:24:38.080 every single Republican that was on the ballot in any position won their seat, which is insane.

01:24:44.920 So what would you say? I'm curious if you if you knocked on somebody's door or they picked up the

01:24:50.040 phone. And I imagine if it's a Republican, it's a little easier. But if it's an independent,

01:24:54.200 you never know. What would you say to get them to actually get out, get off their tuchus and go vote?

01:24:59.580 Honestly, I brought it all down to groceries, gas and mortgages. I said,

01:25:03.380 do you like what you're paying here? Do you like what you're paying there? I mean,

01:25:05.320 look, Connecticut has historically high gas prices. OK, that's the number one thing. Hey,

01:25:09.000 do you like paying 389 a gallon for unleaded fuel, the lowest level? Do you like paying 450 a gallon

01:25:14.440 for diesel? Like, look, Connecticut. And this is the thing that Connecticut has some of the highest

01:25:19.040 taxes on fuel. So you can make this case on local policy. You can make it on state policy. But also

01:25:25.420 the local issues that were driving people on this time, they want to put low income housing in a lot

01:25:30.740 of areas in Greenwich, which, OK, fine, fair enough. But how they're doing it and how they're

01:25:35.680 violating our own zoning laws to do it, people were awakened by that. And if you went to someone's

01:25:40.440 door and says, hey, that train station parking lot that you normally park in, they're actually

01:25:44.340 going to turn it into a 200 person apartment complex. And your parking lot's going to be a

01:25:48.500 quarter mile down the road. How do you feel about that? Oh, I don't like that. Well, vote Republican.

01:25:52.920 Hmm. That's so smart, right? Because people are busy. They don't always have the time

01:25:56.800 to understand all the issues that are on, especially the local ballots. But that's the

01:26:00.720 stuff that will most affect them. That and school board raises and so on. So were you how much do

01:26:07.180 you attribute the big wins to that with all due respect to you and your efforts versus the country

01:26:13.800 can't stand Joe Biden? If you look at the latest polls, my God, his approval rating is the lowest it's

01:26:19.280 ever been. He's I read the Wall Street Journal poll the other day on the number of people who say

01:26:24.260 that Trump's policies have helped them. Trump's above water by by 12 points versus Biden. Has he

01:26:30.720 helped or hurt you? And Biden's underwater by dozens of points. They they blame him for their

01:26:36.920 economic situation. So how much is the national situation play in? Well, so I think in this

01:26:41.540 situation actually didn't play in very much because this was an off your election. There were no

01:26:45.940 congressional races. There were no state wide races. It was just local elections, which look,

01:26:52.420 as historically Republicans have been pretty, pretty successful in local races, but not to

01:26:57.100 this extent. I mean, our first selectman, a Republican won by a 20 point margin in an in a

01:27:02.800 year that the previous year went swept for Democrats. So, you know, you have to look at the fact that Joe

01:27:09.580 Biden wasn't on the ballot. A lot of his policies weren't on the ballot. We kept it local and the

01:27:14.700 Democrats. And I think this might have been their fatal flaw. They made this election for any Republican

01:27:19.920 on the ballot in a nonnational, very hyper local election. They made it about Donald Trump and we

01:27:24.800 didn't back down from him. We said, hey, you love him or hate him. His policies work. We're not going

01:27:29.720 to run away from him. But he's also not on the ballot, you moron. All right. So what do you do with

01:27:34.860 that going into November 2024? How can that be nationalized? So the problem that Republicans always

01:27:42.840 forget, especially highbrow Republicans in places like Greenwich, which is they don't want to fight.

01:27:48.080 They don't want to get in the dirt with the Democrats. We did. It's unfortunate, but you

01:27:51.880 have to. That's the game we're playing. Republicans consistently get in the boxing ring, ask what the

01:27:56.720 rules are, get hit in the face of the chain, and then we go down for the count. So we you know,

01:28:01.680 I'm right. I mean, it's it's so frustrating to see it. But so we we kick back in every single op ed

01:28:10.460 they wrote about us. We dug into their candidates. We dug into their history, who they've donated to,

01:28:15.360 what their policies are, what they've said on social media going back five years. Megan,

01:28:19.540 you know, I mean, you've known me for a long time. People have dug stuff up on me for 10 years ago

01:28:25.520 and used it against me. We did the same thing. And there were a lot of highbrow Republicans that

01:28:30.800 reluctantly were on board this time, but reluctantly who said, no, we can't get in the dirt. We can't.

01:28:36.380 We got to take the high road. And somebody said, look, you can take the high road all you want,

01:28:39.100 but you got to win elections. And that damaged their negative campaigning works that damaged

01:28:44.500 their candidates to such an extent that people were like, I just can't vote for these Democrats.

01:28:50.780 So, I mean, you clearly disagree with Trump's hesitancy. I mean, I'll show you I asked him

01:28:56.320 when I interviewed him in July. Well, no, it was in September. What's the plan to unrig it? That was

01:29:01.840 the number one question my audience wanted me to ask him. You say it was rigged. What's your plan

01:29:06.140 to unrig it? Here's what happened. Watch. Everyone knows you think 2020 was rigged.

01:29:13.300 How are you going to unrig it in 2024? I get that question a lot, too. Look,

01:29:18.380 they use COVID to cheat. They cheat anyway, because how can you win elections? Open borders,

01:29:24.200 high taxes, high interest rates, no voter ID. I mean, everything they do is like April Fool's Day.

01:29:30.080 It's the opposite. Okay. They have horrible policy. They're only good at cheating on elections.

01:29:35.100 You want to know the truth. Republicans are bummed out. They're thinking,

01:29:38.200 I'm not even going to vote. Forget it. My vote's not going to count. It's just the opposite.

01:29:41.640 They're, you know, I don't, they're going to get it by the mail-in ballots again.

01:29:44.800 They're going to vote in numbers that you've never seen before because they see what's happening.

01:29:51.180 Should they do the mail-in? Should the GOP voters do the mail-in? Okay. Here's what we can't allow.

01:29:55.960 Yeah, I would, I would say let them do it either way. You know, I'm less on that. I like the Tuesday stuff.

01:30:00.500 So be clear. What is the message of the voters? Do you want them to do the vote-in,

01:30:03.820 the mail-in vote or no? Everybody, people say, yes, do it.

01:30:11.420 It's somewhat frustrating, right? Because I think you want them to be much more clear,

01:30:15.280 like do it for the love of God, do it.

01:30:18.460 And look, I love Trump to death. I back the man, but yes, you're absolutely right. I think that if

01:30:23.120 he comes, like there's so many people that will listen to exactly what he says. I mean, he says,

01:30:27.020 go out and vote, get your stuff in six weeks, a month, two weeks, whatever the allowance is,

01:30:31.180 whatever state you're in, just go do it. And if they forget, then they can go vote on election day.

01:30:35.680 I, I, I don't understand that, but he's, well, don't you think he's, he, Trump, I believe,

01:30:41.480 legitimately in his head believes the election was stolen from him. And he believes that the mail-in

01:30:47.680 ballots were manipulated. And so I think he still genuinely has a distrust of them. Like all my

01:30:54.080 voters are going to send in a Trump vote. And then those big bags that we see of votes are going

01:30:59.780 to, whoops, get lost. I think that's his fear. And I think that's the fear of a lot of Republicans.

01:31:04.420 So what, what do you say to them?

01:31:06.420 Well, here's the thing is like the single handed best way to beat any type of, look,

01:31:12.400 the, the, the Bridgeport mayor mayoral election was just overturned by a court because there was

01:31:17.140 unbelievable. Yes. We saw that. I'm even covering that. So it happens. It's not like it doesn't

01:31:23.060 happen. However, you know, can I walk into a courtroom and prove that Trump lost or Trump won?

01:31:28.420 No, I can't. So I'm not going to say it with any reasonable responsibility. Do I have my feelings?

01:31:33.100 Of course I do. However, Megan, if you want to get, if people are so bothered by this and maybe Trump

01:31:38.540 hasn't gotten to this point yet, but he needs to tell people to go work at the polls. You want to fix

01:31:42.920 the problem, go work at the polls. It doesn't, you don't need a policy. You don't need another

01:31:46.640 little election. You just go down to town hall, volunteer and say, I want to sit at the polls

01:31:50.340 and double check ballots. Boom. There you go. That's a great idea. Oh my gosh. Like that's

01:31:55.540 so simple. All right. Now, what do you make of, you know, Vivek Ramaswamy made a lot of news that

01:32:00.180 NBC debate saying Ronna McDaniel needs to resign as the head of the RNC. So many losing elections,

01:32:06.940 people push back and said, you have Trump to blame for that. Not Ronna McDaniel,

01:32:11.520 but the RNC does not have a lot of money. In fact, it's some sort of record low.

01:32:15.480 They have about 9.1 million on hand, uh, as of October 31st, the lowest amount for the committee

01:32:21.160 in any commission report since 2015. So what do you make of the RNC's role in all of this and what,

01:32:27.680 you know, what they should, what should they be doing?

01:32:30.520 Look, I've, I haven't really cared for Ronna McDaniel, Mitt Romney's niece. Um, I think that

01:32:36.060 she's not really done a great job. I think, I mean, look, she spent a hundred grand on hair and

01:32:39.660 whatever, but at the end of the day, she hasn't been, uh, proactive in a lot of the messaging.

01:32:46.040 And I know Trump has backed her. I disagree with him on that. I think that she's done a real

01:32:51.040 detriment and Vivek Ramaswamy is right. He basically got on stage and called her a third

01:32:54.500 and said, I'm not going to put up with you losing all these elections. Did look, did Trump have a,

01:32:59.080 have a hand in certain things? Yeah. Like when he went down in Georgia during the last election

01:33:03.340 and fired off on the Senate candidates? Sure. I mean, like that wasn't great. It didn't help.

01:33:08.080 Yeah, exactly. It didn't help. Um, it didn't help the case down there, but Ronna McDaniel

01:33:13.760 has a massive responsibility and Vivek is right in under the last three years, she's just lost

01:33:19.200 election after election, after election, maybe she should step down and give it to someone else.

01:33:23.860 She's clearly not doing the job. She should go work at Harvard university. They apparently hire

01:33:27.740 unqualified people. What do you think the RNC, um, needs to do? Like if they put you in charge

01:33:34.520 of the RNC, what could it be doing better? Like what I understand your, your points about

01:33:39.500 at the local ballot box, become a poll watcher vote early. At some point you do have to trust

01:33:45.320 the system. Honestly, it's like, you kind of just have to, it's going to require some measure of trust,

01:33:50.760 but what else? Like what, what would you do at the RNC? That's different from what Ronna

01:33:55.640 McDaniel has been doing. Every election is local and you could put like, and this is the big thing

01:33:59.840 that campaigns make a big hoopla about is they spend millions upon millions of dollars of TV ads

01:34:04.720 and all those things like great. Okay. Be up on TV. I don't really think the TV moves the needle that

01:34:10.080 much, but you know, what does move the needle is hiring people in, in your local areas. I mean,

01:34:14.660 I would go to every state party chair, be like, I need a town captain, go to every town captain and

01:34:19.240 say, I need a district captain. And then have those people recruit 10 people to go knock on doors,

01:34:24.600 watch polls, make phone calls. You need to have a military style strategic plan that would make you

01:34:30.880 win elections. Because the problem is, is you can put all the TV ads you want, but if you're not

01:34:35.720 getting into the households that don't, A, don't typically vote or B, don't typically know all the

01:34:40.240 information, then you're not going to get it. If you make a physical contact with people, if you are

01:34:45.260 active in your local communities, and this is why I say even someone like Ronna McDaniel should be

01:34:50.220 hyper involved in local politics, because if you can get those people on those positions,

01:34:55.720 if you can have that military command style structure, you are going to win every single

01:35:01.320 election. I don't think she did that. I think she took these. No, she says they're not. She says

01:35:04.800 they're, they're federal only at the RNC and not, not the local elections, but wouldn't that have to

01:35:09.520 happen? Like right now you tell me, cause you have to get them, people who are not registered,

01:35:13.040 but might be thinking, gee, I think I would vote for Trump. You know, I'm sick of the Biden economy.

01:35:16.880 Don't they have to like, doesn't this effort have to begin like yesterday to get them registered?

01:35:21.380 Cause in some places it takes a while for them to even get registered. Nevermind then to actually

01:35:25.820 be able to vote on election day. Yeah. I mean, you do have to, you actually have to start 30 years

01:35:30.640 ago, which is what the Democrats did, but you know what? We're here now, so we better get started.

01:35:34.540 And she can say, Oh, we only do federal. We only do this. That's because when Ronna McDaniels sends an

01:35:39.300 ad buy over to her buddies, they get a 10% kickback and she makes them. I guarantee you that I have no

01:35:44.060 proof of that, but I guarantee you my time in politics, I've seen that 10 out of 10 times with

01:35:48.540 people. They need to do stuff that doesn't have kickbacks and doesn't have returns and actually

01:35:52.700 gets people to put their ass in the seat and drive to the poll. And what about, you know,

01:35:58.760 DeSantis was saying at our debate, ballot harvesting, do it. He's like, you know, I'd like it to go away,

01:36:03.940 but if the Democrats are doing it, our side needs to do it where you, you basically go to door to

01:36:09.080 door and you try to get people's ballot and, and I guess turn it in. I mean, I don't totally

01:36:14.760 understand ballot harvesting. Well, look, I think it's like 28 states that still have some version

01:36:19.780 of legal ballot harvesting where you can collect ballots on behalf of other people. And this is

01:36:24.880 the same thing in Connecticut that we did. It was like, you know, the rules, you know what the

01:36:29.560 Democrats are doing, just do the same thing. And then you have to, then they have no choice,

01:36:33.580 but to stand on policy. And they always lose on policy. And this is what we don't understand.

01:36:38.580 Go for the throat of the Democrats, do exactly what they do. And if you do that, you will win.

01:36:45.280 And at every single Trump rally or whatever rally it is, they should be getting emails and numbers

01:36:49.640 and names the same way Obama did. That's how they started building his and the Dems big database.

01:36:55.300 Carl, such a pleasure. Thank you so much. All right, Megan, thanks for having me on.

01:36:59.760 All right. Talk to you soon. Tomorrow, a deep dive on Hunter Biden.

01:37:03.580 Don't miss that.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - December 12, 2023

Woke Hypocrisy Infects Elite Institutions, and How the GOP Can Win in 2024, with Andrew Klavan and Carl Higbie ｜ Ep. 684

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