Donald Trump has been charged with racketeering for contesting the results of the 2020 election in Georgia. The charge is based in part on a state law against racketeering, which is typically used to target organized crime. But in this case, the charges stem from Trump's attempt to get Vice President Mike Pence to go along with a plan to swing the election in his favor.
00:40:58.080Donald Trump is facing these indictments
00:41:00.240one thing that Trump is fearful of when it comes to his being president is that finally we will see how illegitimate his victory actually was I have an objection I object to the 15 votes from the state of North Carolina I object because people are horrified he's an illegitimate president john lewis is completely right there is a cloud of illegitimacy around the election of Donald Trump there absolutely is a cloud of illegitimacy so that legitimacy is in question yes so that was a very tainted
00:41:30.200election and in that sense it's illegitimate
00:41:33.660they won the last presidential election folks they stole the last presidential election
00:41:37.700and Al Gore won that election I think he won it anyway
00:41:42.460Al Gore won the election nationwide and also in Florida but the supreme court ruled the other way
00:41:48.000Al Gore got more votes but not enough to stay out of the supreme court where president bush was elected five to four
00:41:53.500Bush versus Gore a court took away a presidency
00:41:59.400the RNC put that together we could have kept going I mean no one got indicted nobody
00:42:04.800and I think it's even more germane to bring up the fact that Stacey Abrams has been able to fundraise hundreds of millions of dollars claiming that the election was stolen
00:42:12.200and that she is to this day the rightful governor of Georgia and I don't think any case has been brought up against her it's very clear that this is a political witch hunt
00:42:21.720well okay I think we're all gonna have a little different takes on on some of this I think rhetorically you're absolutely right I mean this is there they have been absurd absurd they are absurd
00:42:32.560uh it's completely ridiculous what democrats have done what they try to hold out is is two systems of justice and only prosecuting the republican side
00:42:40.320I think there's no question about it that if a conviction is obtained in either Georgia or this federal case dealing with this particular issue
00:42:48.120it will wind its way to the united states supreme court at some point and that the reason for that is because
00:42:54.060the underlying crime here whether we're dealing with the rico statute uh in Georgia or or this the charges that jack smith brought
00:43:02.120is in question and there is a very real question about whether electors which are specifically outlined
00:43:09.520in the constitution united states is a political apparatus or it's not um I think they're you know
00:43:16.420Georgia is clearly arguing here that the the appointment of electors constitutes an official action by the state
00:43:24.280an official action by the by the united states to elect a president united states and therefore
00:43:29.340it is a conspiracy to try to undermine an official action there's a lot of precedent on the other side
00:43:35.000of that too and I I think ultimately this is going to wind itself into a ball here that is not going to be
00:43:41.980resolved anytime soon and I think jack smith if you go back and you read the indictment uh out of dc on
00:43:48.140on january 6 stuff um you know in that indictment I think he he kind of uh looks ahead to that legal
00:43:56.220argument that you know all these are political actions um and he says in there you know Donald
00:44:02.020trump had every right to use his first amendment to contest the election even to lie right and there's
00:44:08.620precedent on on on on that being uh political speech but the actions that are mentioned whether
00:44:17.040it's the alternative slate of electors or what have you both in the dc indictment and this one now out of
00:44:22.800georgia are what they see as it's where it separates from the rhetoric if you will
00:44:28.620yeah and mike davis you had him on earlier he obviously was making his case about why this
00:44:34.520whole thing could be invalidated in georgia I mean we know that the prosecutor is incredibly political
00:44:41.120launched her own campaign website last thursday has been disqualified by a judge on another case for
00:44:47.580being political we know that this has been a very political process from start to finish and what
00:44:53.320caught my attention this morning was not someone who typically aligns with republicans in any way shape
00:44:59.480or form it's ruth marcus who's a columnist at the washington post and this morning she wrote that she
00:45:05.400has substantial misgivings about this case in georgia she walks through her whole reasoning why
00:45:10.600but I it caught my attention I didn't expect ruth marcus to say that chris christie has sort of thrown
00:45:17.080cold water on this case in georgia I think his argument was basically that these charges have
00:45:22.520already been filed on a federal level so it's kind of doubling up but just a couple of examples of
00:45:28.040people who I didn't expect to come out and throw cold water on the georgia case and have this morning
00:45:33.980it's I mean it's to me it's just so wrong because they are trying to criminalize speech him saying I
00:45:39.380think there's been fraud that you're going to go back check the rolls and you're going to find voters
00:45:43.460who weren't properly registered you're going to find dead people voting we hear that every election
00:45:48.040I'm not saying he didn't take it to the nth degree he did he took it to a place we haven't seen before
00:45:52.860but in general what we seem to be doing is criminalizing election denialism which the
00:45:58.320democrats have gotten away with now for decades I mean for we went back to al gore and that soundbite
00:46:04.640we just played you and yet when you have one of the chief election deniers sitting there with
00:46:08.860rachel madda on on msnbc last night they had exchanges like this one I got another one up
00:46:14.000my sleeve audience here listen to soundbite seven do you feel satisfaction in that you warned the
00:46:23.180country essentially that he was going to try to end democracy I don't feel any satisfaction I feel
00:46:28.120great uh you know just just great profound sadness that uh we have a former president who has been
00:46:36.400indicted uh for so many uh charges that went right to the heart of whether or not our democracy would
00:46:44.320survive the only satisfaction may be that the system is working oh my god yeah I mean I think
00:46:52.040the system she's talking about is that democrats are allowed to persecute their political opponents
00:46:56.720we're seeing that every day so she has to be pretty happy yeah exactly as anticipated anybody in
00:47:02.920modern history in america that's undermined democracy more than the than hillary clinton I mean just
00:47:08.340everything she did to you know weaponize uh the intelligence agencies against donald trump um on
00:47:14.880russiagate is I mean that alone no that alone yeah I think has permanently changed our country made
00:47:20.260everybody skeptical of these charges honestly I can I tell you that was a disgusting display by both
00:47:27.180women on the set I would vote for Ron DeSantis over Joe Biden any day of the week I've made that clear
00:47:34.340okay I I tell you what my bias is when I sat across from Ron DeSantis I pressed him I pressed him on
00:47:42.040the weaknesses in his arguments things that he said that were inconsistent positions he had that would
00:47:47.120fall apart potentially if you really you know drilled down and he stood his own that's what a journalist
00:47:52.220does that's what your obligation is as a member of the media you failed Rachel Maddow you failed I
00:47:57.500don't care how much they give you 30 million dollars a year you're not worth 30 cents that was an
00:48:01.700embarrassment you fell down on the job you embarrassed yourself and your network and you
00:48:05.960ceded the entire discussion to a dishonest broker who set us down this disgusting path that we're now on
00:48:12.960where everybody denies everybody's the real president shame on you both okay
00:48:16.980oh I love it Megan gets all work don't you round of applause it'd be fun today
00:48:23.200it's not that hard it's not that hard do better okay love you guys stand by we have much much more
00:48:29.340to get to including the lizard people the woman on the plane um and the guys in Iowa and then again
00:48:36.440at the presidential debate ruthless has taken off they're everywhere we're going to talk to them
00:48:41.960about the latest poll out of New Hampshire it's getting kind of interesting all right stand by
00:48:46.460the ruthless program hosts stay with us okay guys as unpleasant as it is to be mired in indictment
00:48:56.620hell instead of talking about real issues affecting the American people that's where we are so we have
00:49:03.140to talk about you know what this means for presidential politics you heard Mike Davis say he thinks and the
00:49:09.620polling would support him so far that all these indictments only drive the support for Trump up not down
00:49:16.060he thinks that will hold true in the general as well that's a much bigger question mark um and I know
00:49:22.940I mean I've been listening I've listened to a ton of conservative podcasts and so on and there's been
00:49:27.080a real debate on like even Trump supporters getting a little worried like it's it's like I'm scared
00:49:32.700because all the money's gonna have to go toward his legal fees and all of his attention is gonna have
00:49:38.680to go to the criminal cases where he must sit you're not allowed to skip those those trials and so on
00:49:43.540and not toward advertisements and rallies and get out the vote efforts and can you really win an election
00:49:52.420with a guy who's this laden down with such legal ballot baggage whether you believe it's just or not
00:50:00.600well I think the Democrats are hoping you can't it's pretty clear that you know they like having a
00:50:07.240situation where their opposition can be mired in in legal problems and the thing is is that once they
00:50:13.340have something that they see works they just keep the same model going you know after Hillary loses
00:50:18.200they say okay this is Russian disinformation we're gonna tell everyone this is an illegitimate
00:50:22.620issue it's it's Russian disinformation what happens in 2020 same playbook oh Hunter Biden's laptop
00:50:28.160Russian disinformation so until you finally draw a line in the sand and stop their advance they're gonna
00:50:34.620just do the same thing over and over again I mean what does that mean smoke does it do you agree with
00:50:38.740Mike Davis like defund DOJ defund Jack Smith indict Joe Biden you know fire with fire I think the DOJ
00:50:46.900definitely needs to be cleaned up it's extremely clear as we've seen that there's a lot of people
00:50:50.900in there who are political operatives rather than trying to serve their country and I think separately
00:50:55.540Biden should be indicted I think that the House Republicans are doing a great job investigating it
00:51:00.180and I hope they're allowed to get to the bottom of it but when things like a special prosecutor is
00:51:04.600put in place to try to stop them it's really clear that there's a system in place to protect those in
00:51:09.820power and those people have been there since Trump first arrived and they were threatened by his
00:51:15.220presence and they want to make sure nothing like that ever happens again they want to be able to tell
00:51:19.180who's going to win the next election who's going to be the next candidate and keep the system and
00:51:23.160gravy train going for him I think I mean that argument clearly works with your Republican primary
00:51:27.360electorate you see with all these indictments Donald Trump's poll numbers continue to go up
00:51:31.220but I haven't seen any evidence that helps him in a general election as as your earlier guests
00:51:36.660alluded I mean if you look at most of those polls you know Trump's doing really well against Biden
00:51:41.060right now but in the crosstabs you know the people that aren't supporting Joe Biden aren't people who
00:51:45.440are open for business for the Republican Party it's it's younger voters it's black voters who are just
00:51:51.160probably disappointed with what the Biden administration has done thus far but ultimately at the end of the day
00:51:55.660they're going to pull the lever for Joe Biden let's be honest I don't think it's particularly
00:51:59.480yeah I don't think it's particularly difficult to understand I mean we've seen this play out now over
00:52:03.860six years yeah this is not just a small sample size it's it's Donald Trump and your fears of Donald
00:52:10.600Trump in the center of the electorate and how that affects and impacts statewide elections in
00:52:14.760competitive states and we've seen in 2018 and 2020 and in 2022 one consistent refrain here which is
00:52:22.820your center right and center left of the electorate in states across this country that determine the
00:52:28.760outcome of a general presidential election are not comfortable with the kind of stuff that we're talking
00:52:34.120about right this moment now conversely he is getting stronger and stronger in a primary which is difficult
00:52:41.580news for Republican voters to hear if they want to if they want to compete in a general but I'll tell you why it is
00:52:47.740I think and this is this is my theory of the case I think what's happened with the Department of Justice
00:52:52.920and the failure to have any sort of justice on the Democratic side whether it's Hunter Biden whether
00:52:58.620it's the links to Joe Biden the lack of curiosity about what seems like pretty rank corruption here
00:53:04.400and the appointment of special prosecutors that look an awful lot like you're just trying to obstruct
00:53:10.060a house investigation is what's buoying Donald Trump because Republican voters do not have
00:53:16.400another outlet to have justice here they do not have a a something that lets air out of this balloon
00:53:24.880the only way to protest what's going on in a very apparent two systems of justice is to support the
00:53:31.980one guy on your side who is the victim of their injustice and so that is why he is sort of forever
00:53:38.660insulated within a Republican primary electorate I don't know if the water ultimately gets too heavy for
00:53:44.560people to carry you mentioned like the financing of this whole thing that is not an insignificant deal
00:53:50.260that is a very significant deal Republicans are outspent any damn way I mean no matter what Democrats
00:53:55.440are going to spend more money than Republicans so now take all the Republican donations and toss it
00:54:00.660into a legal fund and then you basically just sit there and give courtroom press conferences and call
00:54:05.560it a presidential campaign yeah and that's basically what people are left with it is a huge the financing
00:54:10.180is a huge problem because another reason why I think Trump is so strong right now is because I
00:54:14.600think he's actually running the strongest campaign of any of these primary uh candidates around the
00:54:20.480country they are so much better organized than they've ever been they are doing every technical
00:54:25.600thing that you're supposed to be doing and even the stuff that's not seen I mean I think that I think
00:54:31.880that the people they're running against would acknowledge that they're surprised by how well organized
00:54:37.140this Trump campaign actually is and when you start to underfund that effort you start to really take
00:54:43.120away from his strength I mean the reality is all of these indictments suck for him right all of this bad
00:54:49.240news is really really bad for him in a perfect world if you could go back to right after the election in
00:54:54.9602020 Donald Trump says I'll be back instead of I didn't lose and if he had done that and if he had spent
00:55:01.980this last three years just making fun of Joe Biden on Twitter I mean we all know he it would be the funniest
00:55:07.740most entertaining material that the guys ever had he would have unified the Republican Party by this point
00:55:13.700he wouldn't have primary opposition and he would be heading into a potential landslide victory over Joe Biden
00:55:19.740with a bigger mandate than he had in 2017 so I think his actions right after the 2020 election will prove to be
00:55:27.400the biggest headache that he could have ever created for himself you know it's one of these situations
00:55:32.440guys where it's like I don't think the things that Trump is being accused of doing are criminal
00:55:39.260with the exception of the Mar-a-Lago case there's there's an argument that that behavior was was
00:55:44.520criminal but that one is just nullified for me by the Hillary Clinton precedent you didn't go after her
00:55:49.480she did exactly the same thing I mean it was as exact as you could get in a criminal case and they didn't
00:55:54.780prosecutor and so you're done that that no you cannot do it um so they didn't go after her they
00:56:01.040shouldn't be going after him and the other things are free speech and I don't think that they're
00:56:04.260criminal however how can the Republican Party even the Trump lovers not factor in how this is going to
00:56:14.220go for the next year and a half you know how can you not as much as you might love Trump don't you
00:56:20.840have to factor in oh my god we're gonna spend the next year and a half mired in January 6th talk the
00:56:29.100most alienating thing there is to independent voters we gotta preview that we gotta preview that
00:56:35.660in 2022 Megan I mean you look at all the statewide candidates who were mired the most in defending
00:56:43.620Donald Trump on the 2020 election and quote-unquote election denialism right that the media loves to
00:56:49.920pair it those candidates went down in flames right and they tanked with with uh the suburban voters
00:56:55.980and it's not debatable either I mean this is the thing that I always find so remarkable about you
00:57:00.640know I can understand defending Donald Trump and I can understand defending him against injustice and
00:57:07.140unjust charges in a two systems of justice what I do not ever understand is how we can sort of wish
00:57:14.400cast out a different set of facts where the center of the electorate are all of a sudden very comfortable
00:57:20.460with the post 2020 behavior they're not it's cemented in stone we have now an election that showed
00:57:28.080exactly what Michael was just talking about how people feel about that you can't undo that that bell
00:57:34.400doesn't unring and they okay but let me let me ask you a follow-up on that Holmes because I think what
00:57:38.720people who backed Donald Trump would say is okay right we didn't win them over we didn't win them
00:57:44.560over in 20 we didn't win them over in 22 um but they didn't really have all the time of watching Joe
00:57:52.080Biden under their belts at those critical points and now he's just been so disappointing and now is late
00:57:59.960is covered himself in these ethics allegations that seem to have a lot of teeth and so those people
00:58:06.140are gettable in a way they weren't gettable before boy I just it seems a lot again it seems like
00:58:13.380wish casting I look Joe Biden was not a formidable presidential candidate in 2020 everybody sort of
00:58:20.080like in retrospect talks about how he was you know perceived as this modern he didn't even come out of
00:58:24.980his damn basement when he was doing rallies he was doing circles and honking cars I mean there is no way
00:58:30.040that this guy inspired the kind of turnout that he did what inspired the turnout that voted for him
00:58:36.800was Donald Trump and I think that piece of it remains and and look don't take my word for it
00:58:43.080look what happened in 2020 look what happened in 2022 look at where the polls are now look where the
00:58:49.840intensity is within the Republican and Democratic parties and look at ultimately where those center of
00:58:55.640the electorate independents ultimately land on this question I'm not sure that any of that piece is
00:59:02.160changeable with this sort of ubiquitous absolutely everywhere discussion that we're having about the
00:59:08.880thing that they found most distasteful about Donald Trump if it was about his presidential record by the
00:59:13.440way if it was about his presidential record as I think Ashbrook indicated he would win in a landslide
00:59:18.320we'd be talking about Reagan Mondale type numbers it's not going to be about that it's going to be about
00:59:23.880what we are now talking about with this case and minds have been made up on that
00:59:28.400so how much of the fact that he's running away with that right now on the GOP side guys
00:59:33.500has to do with okay yes we factored in the indictments and all that but
00:59:38.260it was it would look very different after DeSantis won sweeping the sweeping victory in Florida
00:59:43.740and before the indictments and they were close you know they weren't that close but they were within
00:59:48.02010 15 points Trump and DeSantis so how much of this situation has to do with the fact that DeSantis
00:59:53.400hasn't taken off you know he hasn't it's just like there's not a second really strong comer you know
01:00:01.480it's not like people like Vivek but he's not right I mean come on it's not gonna happen he's not gonna
01:00:08.440overtake Donald Trump and like they loved DeSantis but like the bloom has come off the rose a bit
01:00:13.840and they might like Nikki Haley but she's not really generating much buzz and in fact her numbers are now
01:00:19.020going down in the latest polls Tim Scott's not even on the latest New Hampshire numbers he's not
01:00:24.240even registering so it's like how much of this problem the GOP is in has to do with the fact that
01:00:28.600they don't have the strong underdog here to save the day coming up the ranks I think uh this first
01:00:35.780debate is going to be critical I kind of agree with that for actually having a candidate that can have
01:00:41.600a breakout moment because as of right now you know the most you could think that you know the average
01:00:48.340American would see is maybe some cursory news footage of a candidate walking around uh in at a
01:00:55.040state fair or uh if they are in Iowa or New Hampshire then they're seeing or South Carolina they're seeing
01:01:00.520ads outside of that most Americans haven't really tuned in you know the kids have been on summer break
01:01:06.260they've got a lot of other stuff they've been worrying about once a debate starts that really
01:01:10.900focuses a lot of people's attention and especially if Donald Trump decides not to show up then he allows
01:01:17.540all these candidates to have free reign and try to have a breakout moment hmm I wonder you know I
01:01:26.160last I heard it didn't look good and people around Trump were saying even behind the scenes he's not going
01:01:33.000uh and when I spoke to him directly I certainly did not walk away thinking he's going and I don't
01:01:38.060think he thinks he needs to go you know the latest polls show him losing no steam he's completely dominant
01:01:43.300and you could argue it's a power move not to go right like let the minions debate the minions smug
01:01:49.720let them debate and uh and the gorilla's not going to show up until he wants to I don't know um I'd be
01:01:57.960shocked to see Trump lose substantially in the polls if he doesn't show I think if he does show
01:02:03.680he's probably only going to drive his numbers up but what do you guys think I the one thing you got
01:02:08.260to keep an eye on is Iowa um of all these early states it shows the most malleability it's also a
01:02:13.900place where people demand that you come and earn their vote and 2016 when Donald Trump lost narrowly
01:02:19.100to Ted Cruz he worked his ass off to go earn their vote he's flying kids around in helicopters
01:02:24.520they're also in New York they pay you no attention whatsoever well I mean listen if you make an
01:02:32.920election interesting in New York let me know but in terms of Iowa itself I mean look it's a well
01:02:39.060educated uh voting base it's people within the state party and within government there who are
01:02:45.020pretty squared away in juxtaposition to a lot of other states in this country where the Republican
01:02:49.300Party has been a disaster and so they look for certain things they want to make sure that somebody
01:02:54.500comes and earns their vote I do think look I kind of agree with you and then there's not going
01:02:58.700to be some shelf here we'll don't where Donald Trump bottoms out but what we've seen over the last
01:03:04.460several competitive Republican primaries it or caucuses in Iowa is there are late surges from
01:03:10.020candidates that are responsive to what people are are doing and seeing in Iowa and I think leaving
01:03:17.140open the idea that you don't need to go work for it is a kind of a dangerous proposition for the
01:03:23.580Trump campaign yeah this this debate Trump skipped a debate Ashbrook he skipped a debate in Iowa I mean
01:03:29.280I was there didn't show up and he's still and he lost Iowa but he still won the nomination and then
01:03:34.340the presidency go ahead yeah he he can he can't skip I mean he's not going to bottom out like like you
01:03:40.240guys have said he's not going to bottom out but if he doesn't show every single one of these other
01:03:44.480candidates has an opportunity in front of a national audience to to demonstrate to these Republican
01:03:49.520primary voters some of whom are Trump supporters and have some anxiety about Trump's ability to get
01:03:55.000over the finish line in a general they have the ability to show that they're going to stick it to
01:03:59.720the libs just as much as Trump they have they they're going to have the back of every one of these
01:04:04.160conservative voters just as much as Trump and if he's not there on stage with them to belittle them
01:04:10.140make people laugh at them then he risks an entire conversation around him and where he is not the center of the
01:04:18.860Republican universe and that I think is where things start to fall off for him that's his superpower
01:04:23.260and and I think also I mean I think the state of the polling as as it currently is with Donald Trump
01:04:28.360with like what seems like an insurmountable lead is based on two preconditions number one we've never
01:04:32.780I don't think we've had in my lifetime a you know competitive Republican primary for president where you
01:04:37.500had a former president you know in the race I mean so he's going to get a base baseline support there even
01:04:43.080if it is maybe more surface level or they don't know what their other options are and then you also have
01:04:47.560I think a lot of the candidates who have been sort of equivocating and qualifying all these statements
01:04:52.600about Donald Trump as all these indictments come around about how unfair it is to the guy that
01:04:56.480they're running against which seems like a very strange strategy to me if you think you're a better
01:04:59.980person to be president but it is what it is and I think there's a reinforcing mechanism for a Republican
01:05:04.480primary voter that every time they see his opponents talk about how unfair things are to Donald Trump
01:05:09.520well then they're going to support Donald Trump so like why are you running against Donald Trump so you know
01:05:13.800you have to think during this debate whether Donald Trump shows up or not that those knives are going
01:05:18.520to get a little sharper that those statements are probably going to get a little more crisp and the
01:05:22.600criticism is going to be a little more direct on Donald Trump and these indictments or things he
01:05:27.080didn't accomplish in his presidency if I you know this has been DeSantis's line and some of the others
01:05:32.280too like focus on electability because obviously Trump's crushing them on the primary side so it's like
01:05:37.920you've got to convince Republican voters that you Ron DeSantis or you Chris Christie are going to be
01:05:45.640more electable when you get to the general you you know you love Trump but he can't get the ball over
01:05:51.000the finish line as you say so what I think they need to do just as a you know as a somebody who used to
01:05:57.180argue for a living is have facts you need to say you know Trump lost Georgia by this much Trump lost
01:06:05.840Wisconsin Trump lost Michigan Trump lost Arizona these are the numbers these are how the independence
01:06:11.060went this is the vote that he lost and this is then what happened it gets specific don't just say he
01:06:15.780cost us the house in 2020 in 2020 he lost you know the the narrow the victim whatever margin of victory
01:06:22.000was smaller than it should have been in 2022 you need to show them why how many votes were lost who
01:06:26.880was it that didn't vote for him who's gettable what are they saying now in the polls they feel about
01:06:31.460Donald Trump what has he done like get specific that's how you win arguments you can't have these
01:06:36.380sweeping like well he's Trump and Jan 6th and you know he's been a drag before that doesn't work
01:06:42.120right yeah I mean I think that is absolutely a compelling case and again if if Trump isn't there
01:06:48.480to rebut it you just give free reign for a candidate to make an argument like that um I get the feeling
01:06:54.800that that the debate not it's not necessarily going to be a candidate chipping away at Donald Trump's
01:07:00.340share but more of an opportunity for them to coalesce the folks who are not right now in polls
01:07:05.320supporting Donald Trump and which is anywhere from 50 to 65 percent depending on your state I mean
01:07:10.600there's still a massive amount of people a huge amount of people who have not completely put
01:07:14.160themselves in for Trump and then like Holmes mentions when you look at the cross tabs it's not
01:07:17.920like every supporter for Trump isn't still shopping and our experience when we're talking to folks in
01:07:23.080Iowa is they're still shopping in the New York Times Sienna poll even half the people who say they're
01:07:27.800going to vote for Donald Trump are open to other candidates at this point I mean like absolutely
01:07:32.320and again like this this uh debate if Donald Trump doesn't show up presents such an opportunity for
01:07:37.840these candidates who we've met with all of them we've had all of them on the show um there are people
01:07:43.400out there waiting to get a moment to catch a spark like Doug Burgum out there whose record is insane
01:07:49.660who's I'm telling you right now and I was don't sleep on bird I was telling these gents in in Iowa
01:07:56.220the fellas are trying to get us behind on the Burgum train when when the Burgum train leaves the
01:08:02.540station I'm gonna shout from from to everyone who will listen I called this first because the guy is
01:08:08.020like if you took John Wayne and Ronald Reagan and mixed them together and his record as a governor
01:08:12.840is incredible you just got a great compelling story we we we found out about your love affair
01:08:18.320for the Burgum Meister Meister Burger hello anyone know that reference my kids always complain when
01:08:23.200Christmas comes I only let them watch shows from the 1970s and 60s um Santa Claus is coming to town
01:08:28.420anyway Doug Burgum went on with the fellas and uh this is not in Iowa I know you spoke with him then too
01:08:34.000but this is a little earlier it was back uh it was last month in July and here's if if you are like
01:08:38.960me and you've spent absolutely no time listening to or paying any attention Doug Burgum here you go
01:08:43.620governor of North Dakota there you go North Dakota here he is when Catherine and I decided to take the
01:08:54.680leap and jump into uh the governor's race in 2016 the you know there was uh we were down 69 10 in the
01:09:02.740poll and I told Catherine you know she was like wow I'm not I'm not sure I want to be first lady uh and I
01:09:08.560said don't worry we don't have a chance it's only five months to the primary uh but we uh you know
01:09:15.460we we ran a campaign and said look we're not running and I'll never be right here I will never
01:09:20.660be a senator or congressman I'm not some people want to put on a jersey red and blue duke it out
01:09:26.460lob bombs great but I'm an operating guy all I've ever done is you know built built operations and and
01:09:32.020executed and serve customers and and to try to defy the odds yes I mean you've defied the odds all the
01:09:38.100way through your career okay John Wayne is strong I'll tell you right I mean I don't think we've
01:09:46.640released the content yet but you should hear his method for killing rattlesnakes when he comes across
01:09:50.500them yeah guy is he's a legit yeah yes this guy has ranch he's had buffaloes on his ranch that he's
01:09:57.000had to kill he's killed rattlesnakes dude he went from a from being a chimney sweep uh to selling a
01:10:02.600software company in north dakota for 1.1 billion dollars to microsoft wow I mean that's a hell of
01:10:09.360a hell of a life story he also made us eat rattlesnake megan so like we haven't released
01:10:15.320this yet but wait till you see this he like made us eat it they didn't didn't just tell us how to kill
01:10:20.320the fellas when I went to Iowa I stayed in like a very tiny little hotel room I did have a little hot
01:10:26.740tub in my room I will say it was a nice room but it was freezing we're freezing our asses off and we
01:10:32.580got in and got out the fellas are eating rattlesnake and it must be said shotgunning beers may I run the